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Straight and proud.

T3h g4y.

Errrm... Julian Clary rawks.

>_>

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It's all a bit silly isn't it? I mean, does it really matter what a consenting adult (or for that matter, a whole bunch of consenting adults) wants to do in the privacy of their own home? No. And don't go using the whole quoting the bible crap, whether you quote it correctly or not, it's a load of bollocks. There is no god, deal with it.
Hating someone, or any group, on the grounds that they prefer to bone people of the same sex is a bit dumb. There are much better reasons to hate people.

It's all a bit silly isn't it? I mean, does it really matter what a consenting adult (or for that matter, a whole bunch of consenting adults) wants to do in the privacy of their own home? No. And don't go using the whole quoting the bible crap, whether you quote it correctly or not, it's a load of bollocks. There is no god, deal with it.
Hating someone, or any group, on the grounds that they prefer to bone people of the same sex is a bit dumb. There are much better reasons to hate people.

Yay for boring and serious posts ! :rolleyes:

While you're happily sniping at people's PUNCTUATION (As that appeared to be what your post dealt with, rather than GRAMMAR) perhaps you'd like to look up "PEDANTRY" in the OED. And then perhaps choose to ... off and bother someone whose sentence structure actually interferes with comprehension of the point they are trying to make, instead of maximising every posible opportunity to be smugly superior.
(Three periods in succession indicates an omission by the way. I know how you love punctuation).

Can't you recognize sarcasm when you see it? Do I have to put a big flashing sign underneath my post that says,

I'M BEING SARCASTIC SO DON'T GET MAD AT ME ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE OFFENDED!!!!!

Yay for boring and serious posts ! :rolleyes:


Firstly, fuck off. Secondly, if you want an interesting and stupid post then your mother wears chicken giblets in her knickers and dances around her living room pretending to be a man. I also heard that she likes to masterbate in her own shit. Is that better? There you go, an interesting post for you. Asshole

It's all a bit silly isn't it? I mean, does it really matter what a consenting adult (or for that matter, a whole bunch of consenting adults) wants to do in the privacy of their own home? No.
Yes. I personally think the government should step in and interdict killing and cannibalism in the bedroom. That goes too far, even if it is between consenting adults.

Firstly, fuck off. Secondly, if you want an interesting and stupid post then your mother wears chicken giblets in her knickers and dances around her living room pretending to be a man. I also heard that she likes to masterbate in her own shit. Is that better? There you go, an interesting post for you. Asshole

Nah, I'll stay right here. Although thank you for providing me with another boring post. I'll throw it in the trash with your other posts, I mean post.


Yes. I personally think the government should step in and interdict killing and cannibalism in the bedroom. That goes too far, even if it is between consenting adults.

Well, what us consenting adults do in the privacy of our homes is our business so if I want to chop somebody up into little bits then according to ACS I have that right. So... :upyours:




Was I serious enough?

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22).

I hope you sir never wear polycoton

Or eat pork

Transexuality/transgenderism is nothing to do with sexuality. Gender is not sexuality.

Perhaps, but gender identity is

Straight and proud.
Whats to be "proud" of? I mean sexuality is something everyone has.

No knowledge of fashion.
No femininity at ALL.
No openly gay comments or anything.
How are any of these in your favour, or that of any so-called bisexual?

Worship of women. >.>
About the only thing worth commending. I do love being a gay female supremacist. It confuses the masses.

Back off! You can look, but provided he's not gay, I'm totally marrying him. Whether or not he knows we're marrying is the question.
Phsaw! Marry him all you want. I'm only interested in his body.

And it doesn't make any difference for me whether he's gay or not. Granted, it might make a difference for HIM, but we all know straight boys really crave hot gay sex deep down in their subconscious. He'll start saying no, but end up begging for more.

Firstly, fuck off. Secondly, if you want an interesting and stupid post then your mother wears chicken giblets in her knickers and dances around her living room pretending to be a man. I also heard that she likes to masterbate in her own shit. Is that better? There you go, an interesting post for you. Asshole
O_O

Whoo, buddy, you need to grow a thicker skin. Don't get all flamey(nukular) on his ass just because he's being a little flippant about your post.

Where's the love, dude?

About the only thing worth commending. I do love being a gay female supremacist. It confuses the masses.
Oh, come on, well all know that female supremacism thing is only a front. I know you'd be the one pulling the strings in the shadows if it ever came to pass :p

Oh, come on, well all know that female supremacism thing is only a front. I know you'd be the one pulling the strings in the shadows if it ever came to pass :p
As a woman, yes. :) Call it an ascension to a higher being. :p My mind is already geared that way in any case.

As a woman, yes. :) Call it an ascension to a higher being. :p My mind is already geared that way in any case.
Bah, not to say I don't think women are all nice and spiffy(they are), but being a man is just so much more enjoyment.

God I love my penis [/creepiness]

God I love my penis [/creepiness]
More than those of other men? :eek:

More than those of other men? :eek:
Dang, now that's a tricky question....

*ponders*

Dang, now that's a tricky question....

*ponders*
I'll leave you to your ...philosophical enquiry :p

I'll leave you to your ...philosophical enquiry :p
After much thought, my answer to your question is:

69! :D

After much thought, my answer to your question is:

69! :D
I guess that is all the Math you ever needed :p

I guess that is all the Math you ever needed :p
I disagree with all those that say that e is "the golden number". I say that 69 is the golden, magical number everyone should have the chance to enjoy.

Oh, here's a pun:

What's the pinnacle of trust between two cannibals?

That's right, 69! :p

I disagree with all those that say that e is "the golden number". I say that 69 is the golden, magical number everyone should have the chance to enjoy.

Oh, here's a pun:

What's the pinnacle of trust between two cannibals?

That's right, 69! :p
Too bad Maths at school is so dull :/

Perhaps, but gender identity is
No it's not. Gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality. You can identify as female and be attracted to males, you can identify as female and be attracted to females, you can identify as female and be attracted to both. Just as you can identify as male and be attracted to males, females, or both. Gender identity isn't the same thing as sexuality.

No it's not. Gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality. You can identify as female and be attracted to males, you can identify as female and be attracted to females, you can identify as female and be attracted to both. Just as you can identify as male and be attracted to males, females, or both. Gender identity isn't the same thing as sexuality.

You missed the whole point of my original post, sexuality is NOT just about who you're attracted to, sexuality covers a whole range of parts of what makes up a person, INCLUDING, who you're attracted to, what gender you are, what gender you identify as...

Sexuality is NOT just who you're attracted to!

Sexuality is NOT just who you're attracted to!
This would have been a completely true statement had it not been so utterly wrong.

I disagree with all those that say that e is "the golden number". I say that 69 is the golden, magical number everyone should have the chance to enjoy.


Isn't the golden ratio 1.618...etc. while e is two point something or another?

I'm gay.

This would have been a completely true statement had it not been so utterly wrong.

You know, I could get frustrated trying to get through to you, but look at this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality

especially

"How we see ourselves, which may differ from the phsyical form we have, ie, personal identity. (Intersex, transsexual)"

gender identity is an Important part of a persons sexuality. Google it, you'll find that yes, generally the term sexuality is used to cover who a person is sexually attracted to, but that's not the only thing that's covered by the term.

Before making ungrounded statements in the future, maybe you should research it a bit first.

You missed the whole point of my original post, sexuality is NOT just about who you're attracted to, sexuality covers a whole range of parts of what makes up a person, INCLUDING, who you're attracted to, what gender you are, what gender you identify as...

Sexuality is NOT just who you're attracted to!
You're wrong.

And, no, Wiki isn't an authoratitave source.

Something like Mirriam-Webster is. And it says:
Main Entry: sex·u·al·i·ty
Pronunciation: "sek-sh&-'wa-l&-tE
Function: noun
: the quality or state of being sexual : a : the condition of having sex b : sexual activity c : expression of sexual receptivity or interest especially when excessive
Source (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexuality)

Sexuality is about sexual attraction, not about gender.

Gender is not sexuality.

The best part to your response is, the webster definition doesn't even include anything about sexual attraction, so to cite it as the only credible source on the topic would mean that sexuality doesn't even include gay/lesbian/bisexual etc....

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec07/ch104/ch104b.html

Oh look at the top of the page, it's under the subject of SEXUALITY

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2789.htm

:O another one

Oh, and the best one

Britannica itself

http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9378346?query=sexuality&ct=

"Sexuality covers gender identity, sexual orientation, and actual practices, as well as one's acceptance of these aspects of one's personality, which may be more important than their specifics."

I wish people would get out of this out-moded idea of being gay, lesbian or straight. Most people are all three to varying degrees.

I wish people would get out of this out-moded idea of being gay, lesbian or straight. Most people are all three to varying degrees.

Thankyou sir

Probably already brought up, but doesn't having gay and lesbian as two seperate entries, but both male and female straights in one group muddle the results a little?

Probably already brought up, but doesn't having gay and lesbian as two seperate entries, but both male and female straights in one group muddle the results a little?

Gay is all homosexuals, lesbian is a subset of gay.

I wish people would get out of this out-moded idea of being gay, lesbian or straight. Most people are all three to varying degrees.
um, inferring from your use of lesbian that by "gay" you are referring only to gay males, how are most people all three? How are most people women who like women, men who like men, and men who like women or women who like men? Maybe you just mean to say that everyone is a little bit bi, which I also take issue with since I don't like it when people try to define other peoples' sexuality for them, but at least that would make sense.

I wish people would get out of this out-moded idea of being gay, lesbian or straight. Most people are all three to varying degrees.

I wish people would just be themselves.

The best part to your response is, the webster definition doesn't even include anything about sexual attraction, so to cite it as the only credible source on the topic would mean that sexuality doesn't even include gay/lesbian/bisexual etc....
OK...
expression of sexual receptivity or interest

I would say that covers sexual attraction pretty well.

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec07/ch104/ch104b.html

Oh look at the top of the page, it's under the subject of SEXUALITY
Good for it, but sexuality and gender identity are not the same thing. They are linked, barely, but they are not the same thing.

http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2789.htm

:O another one


Erm...
The sexual identity that emerges beyond childhood is very clearly a separate entity from gender identity. Aspects of physical sexual growth, eroticism, and eventual sexuality, although closely related to gender, should not necessarily be used to draw conclusions about a patient's gender definitions.

From your own link. It very clearly states that sexuality should not be confused with gender identity.

Oh, and the best one

Britannica itself

http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9378346?query=sexuality&ct=

"Sexuality covers gender identity, sexual orientation, and actual practices, as well as one's acceptance of these aspects of one's personality, which may be more important than their specifics."

Britannica is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias are not definitive articles. And in that case I believe it to have got it wrong.

However, to humour you, the very first paragraph of that page says that sexuality is: Tendencies and behaviour of human beings with regard to any activity that causes or is otherwise associated with sexual arousal.

So, basically, gender identity and sexuality can sometimes be linked, but they are definitely not the same thing.

Look, I refuse to discuss this with you further, you're obviously ignorant and stubborn and refuse to admit when you are wrong. I have spoken to a few friends who have studied queer theory at a university level and they agree, gender identity has a lot to do with sexuality.

I don't see how you can say gender identity is not part of a persons sexuality. The gender of a person is very important to how a person sees their own sexuality. Just as the gender of who they're attracted to does.

And what the way i read that paragraph about conclusions being drawn about sexuality and gender is that you shouldn't assume a persons sexuality (including their personal gender identity) based on their physical gender. Also, that paragraph clearly states it's talking about the difference between sexual identity and gender identity, both are important parts of a persons sexuality

Oh, and

Tendencies and behaviour of human beings with regard to any activity that causes or is otherwise associated with sexual arousal.

My gender and gender identity is very much associated with my sexual arrousal. I'm gay, that doesn't just mean I'm attracted to guys, that means I'M a guy and I'm attracted to guys. It also has a lot to do with how I am sexually involved with my partner. Also, if you want to get away from the labels, me being a guy isn't affecting the fact i'm attracted to guys, but it does affect how I see my own sexuality.

I love how you just completely ignore a britannica article because you think it's wrong

CLASSIC :D

Amazingly....the rate of straight people is now 60%... :o

Haha, whatever.

I can state very easily that gender identity is not part of a persons sexuality. Now, it may have to do with the human constructed labels people assign themselves, but it has nothing to do with the actual sexual attraction in sexuality. I fear you are getting the two confused.

If I had completely ignored Britannica I wouldn't have then used a quote from it to back my position up, would I?

Haha, whatever.

I can state very easily that gender identity is not part of a persons sexuality. Now, it may have to do with the human constructed labels people assign themselves, but it has nothing to do with the actual sexual attraction in sexuality. I fear you are getting the two confused.

If I had completely ignored Britannica I wouldn't have then used a quote from it to back my position up, would I?


You were still saying it was wrong. Also, I'm not saying gender identity has ANYTHING to do with who i'm sexually attracted to

I'm saying that my gender identity has a lot to do with my own personal view of my sexual identity

You were still saying it was wrong. Also, I'm not saying gender identity has ANYTHING to do with who i'm sexually attracted to

Then it has nothing to do with sexuality. Sexuality is sexual attraction.

I'm saying that my gender identity has a lot to do with my own personal view of my sexual identity
So what you're saying is that gender defines what terms you use to describe your sexuality, rather than the sexuality itself? That's pretty much a completely different thing to what you have been saying.

They are closely related but so what? Gender identity is a MAJOR part of preferance. If you thought you were a girl all your life or never knew what a girl was....you'd try to fuck guys or be fucked.

Watch the Outer Limits. >.>

Oh, and

Tendencies and behaviour of human beings with regard to any activity that causes or is otherwise associated with sexual arousal.

My gender and gender identity is very much associated with my sexual arrousal. I'm gay, that doesn't just mean I'm attracted to guys, that means I'M a guy and I'm attracted to guys. It also has a lot to do with how I am sexually involved with my partner. Also, if you want to get away from the labels, me being a guy isn't affecting the fact i'm attracted to guys, but it does affect how I see my own sexuality.


//figured this should have been added seperately rather than editing my old post

Then it has nothing to do with sexuality. Sexuality is sexual attraction.

Sexuality IS NOT JUST sexual attraction, it's also what is related to my sexual attraction, therefor, my gender identity is very closely related.


So what you're saying is that gender defines what terms you use to describe your sexuality, rather than the sexuality itself? That's pretty much a completely different thing to what you have been saying.

NO, i'm not saying that. I'm saying that my gender identity DOESN'T define who i'm sexually attracted to. But it is closely related to who i'm sexually attracted to, and DEFINATELY plays a rold in my sexual arrousal.

So outspoken....wow! *^-^*
Nadkor..going to have to go with Geektoria on this one.

Also, if you want to get away from the labels, me being a guy isn't affecting the fact i'm attracted to guys, but it does affect how I see my own sexuality.
How does that get away from labels? How you see your own sexuality (as gay) is purely based on the labels that society attributes to sexuality, based on the sex/gender of the person. That's where any link between sexuality and gender identity is, in the labels that society assigns. Not in the actual sexual attraction itself.

NO, i'm not saying that. I'm saying that my gender identity DOESN'T define who i'm sexually attracted to. But it is closely related to who i'm sexually attracted to, and DEFINATELY plays a rold in my sexual arrousal.

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I simply think you're wrong here.

How does your gender play a role in your sexual arousal? Surely if you were attracted to males you would be aroused whether you were male of female?

Thanks Asbena

I'm definatly not an english major, hell, I'm comp sci, and I'm not great expressing myself with the english language.

I do however have a lot to say on the topic of sexuality. I have been involved in the queer collective on my university back home, and am actively involved in the pride alliance at my current uni (i'm on exchange).

After having come to terms with my own sexuality, I have had to face other forms of sexuality which society has told me is wrong, in order to get these socially accepted ideas out of my head and form my own. One issue I originally had with sexuality was transexual/transgendered/inter-sex people. These people believe their gender identity has a lot to do with their sexuality, and it opened my eyes to that fact.

http://www.binarydeathtrap.com/Resources/Herpes/ugly%20girl.jpg

You like this? >.>? '

See my point Nad?

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I simply think you're wrong here.

How does your gender play a role in your sexual arousal? Surely if you were attracted to males you would be aroused whether you were male of female?

That's true, I would, but that doesn't mean the fact I'm a man doesn't have something to do with my own arrousal. I'm attracted to other men, but it is also important to my own sexuality that I am a man. You can't think past sexuality being purely about who you're attracted to. It's not. It's about what arouses you, what makes you up sexually. Who you're attracted to is only one part of that, not the other way around.

One issue I originally had with sexuality was transexual/transgendered/inter-sex people. These people believe their gender identity has a lot to do with their sexuality, and it opened my eyes to that fact.

That's funny, I am transgendered (unfortunately), and I believe gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality. So, there you go.

http://www.binarydeathtrap.com/Resources/Herpes/ugly%20girl.jpg

You like this? >.>? '

See my point Nad?


ROFL

Also, you made me think of something important. Another persons gender identity is VERY important in whom I'm attracted to. I am attracted to males. I'm not attracted to males who believe themselves to be females.

Same here Geektoria.

That's funny, I am transgendered (unfortunately), and I believe gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality. So, there you go.


Well then, I will withdraw that statement and say previously most people Ihave spoken to consider their gender identity as part of their sexuality.

I don't mean offence by any of this, and if your gender identity isn't important to your sexuality, it's not. That's the thing about sexuality, it's a personal thing. It has to do with what arrouses you.

http://www.binarydeathtrap.com/Resources/Herpes/ugly%20girl.jpg

You like this? >.>? '

See my point Nad?
No, but I do see a silly picture. What exactly is your point, and how does that relate to it?

The main point I'm trying to make is a persons sexuality is MORE than just who they're attracted to.

If a person is into BDSM that is part of their sexuality.

If a person has a leather fetish, that is part of their sexuality.

Intersting discussion

I'm bi and female

I don't really like to say I'm bi though because people draw all sorts of silly conclusions and assumptions about me

Also I don't feel comfortable identifying myself purely in relation to who I might or might not want to have sex with or become involved in a relationship with

Sex is just one of the things you can do with someone if you feel a lot for them, no matter what theri gender / age / race etc

Defining myself in terms of my sexual preferences (which frankly are pretty fluid) seems somehow reducitonist

:-)

I agree with you 100%

Originally when I came out I didn't want to label myself gay, as in my opinion there is a chance that I may one day be attracted to a woman. So originally, thinking I had to pick something, I chose bi.

Then I had discrimination coming from both sides of the coin. A couple of my gay male friends were saying I wasn't a real bisexual, and of course you get the homophobia fromt he rest of society.

For a while then I wasn't sure what to call myself.

I use gay now, because that's the label I feel comfortable with. I don't feel I need to label myself, I use a label because it's sometimes easier to start with a label then to clarify.

I'm gay, but I believe sexuality to be a fluid thing. I don't know if I was always gay, I don't know if I always will be. For that reason, I'm not about to say I'll never be attracted to a woman.

If people want to make that assumption, it's not my problem...

Nadkor

I first want to apologise for any disrespect you may think I have meant. I'm sorry if you think I've been close minded at all, because I have thought a lot about what you've had to say. So, for this message, I'm going to post purely on my personal view of my sexuality in the hopes you see what I mean.

I believe there are many things that make up my sexuality. I identify, at the moment, as homosexual because of two things.

I identify as male (I also happen to be biologically male, but that's not important here)
I'm attracted to guys

I see these two things as being completely seperate, one does not imply or rely on the other, and yet both are needed as part of my being homosexual. I can't be homosexual without acknowledging the fact I think I'm male. If we look at the gender specific homosexual label of lesbian, it implies identifiying as female, and being attracted to females. Without the gender identity, a person who identifies as male could consider themselves lesbian.

Now, I'm not just talking about labels here, don't get me wrong. Homosexuality is a form of sexuality which means being attracted to the same gender as you identify with, in my opinion, and yet homosexuality is a part of my sexuality. Therefor my gender is part of my sexuality.

For someone who is does not identify with their biological identity, I believe their sexuality encompass the gender they identify with, not the gender who they are. I also think who their attracted to is a seperate thing to the gender they identify with rather than the gender that they were born with.

Having said that, I've thought about your point of view and can see the validity behind it. I hope you can see the validity behind mine. I've even discussed it some more with some of my friends who agree with you. I think this whole thread would have been much more productive without the hostility, partly to which I am to blame. For that I'm sorry.