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Bisexuals, yes.

Homosexuals, yes.

Transexuals, no. [edit stupid smiley]
Why not?

The Republicans have no power in Europe. :)
Another reason why I wise I lived in Europe.
That and metal bands such as Moonspell.

Why not?

Seconded.

Another reason why I wise I lived in Europe.
That and metal bands such as Moonspell.
Nightwish is the way to go now ;)

Why not?Most people have some phobia or other. Transvestites aren't that appealing to me either. That's my problem though, not theirs. Would be so much more acceptable to just suffer from arachnophobia, but alas...

Nightwish is the way to go now ;)

I've heard one song from those guys, and I'll say this: They fucking rock.

Bisexuals, yes.

Homosexuals, yes.

Transexuals, no.
How enlightened of you.

My statement in regards to 'tolerating' bisexuals can be stretched to include transexuals.

Piss on you if you don't like it.

Most people have some phobia or other. Transvestites aren't that appealing to me either. That's my problem though, not theirs. Would be so much more acceptable to just suffer from arachnophobia, but alas...
Spiders are scary :eek:

Why not?

Mostly because I wanna be sure that the next woman I date (and possibly fuck) is indeed a woman.

With homos and bies, at least I know what I'm dealing with.

Most people have some phobia or other. Transvestites aren't that appealing to me either. That's my problem though, not theirs. Would be so much more acceptable to just suffer from arachnophobia, but alas...
Yeah ... not saying ya have to like them

But wondering why he could not tolorate them

Its such an easy thing to live and let live yet so many people have issues with it

I've heard one song from those guys, and I'll say this: They fucking rock.
I only got into this Summer and I must agree :) Too late though, because their vocalist has been fired. :( She made them so awesome.

Mostly because I wanna be sure that the next woman I date (and possibly fuck) is indeed a woman.

With homos and bies, at least I know what I'm dealing with.
If you cant trust the person you are dating to let you know about something like that maybe you should not be dating them

If your not attracted to women, how can you choose to be gay? You had sex with men, wasnt it fun? didnt you like it? why would you deny yourself what you feel naturally?

Ill admit that I did enjoy my gay past, otherwise I would not have done it.

However, you say do what feels natural for you, nature is nothing but God's will.

God's will is opposed to homosexuality.

I have a duty to God and my Church, before any pleasures I may enjoy with other men.

Mostly because I wanna be sure that the next woman I date (and possibly fuck) is indeed a woman.

She is "indeed a woman," whatever her sexual organs are.

And the question was about tolerance, not "would you date...?"

How enlightened of you.

My statement in regards to 'tolerating' bisexuals can be stretched to include transexuals.

Piss on you if you don't like it.

Piss on me indeed.

And I still don't like it. :D

Homosexuality and the lifestyle is promotes is a great temptation, for I speak from personal experience.

For in the past, I did have sex with men.

But now, I realise that I made a mistake.

I repented and asked for forgiveness, but God will decide my fate in the next life, just that I don't want to perish in Hell when I die.

I am actually not attracted to women and have now decided that not having any sexual partners is the best course for me, for I cannot be with women neither can I let myself fall into sin again.

For there is no point in asking for another chance when you destroyed your second chance.

But leaving homosexuality is possible, although it is a struggle.

But I was blessed with a forgiving and helpful clergy at my church.

Uh, yeah......................sorry to shatter your little fantasy here but..........you do realize that just because you're not having sex anymore doesn't mean you're no longer homosexual, right? If you're still attracted to men (which I assume you are, since you claim to not be attracted to women; only other alternative would be for you to be completely asexual), then you're a homosexual. By saying that you're not attracted to women, and therefore can't be with them, you basically admitted that it's genetic.

Homosexuality is not a fucking choice people. A study was done recently, that showed that a homosexual male's brain reacts the same way, chemically, to testosterone, as a heterosexual woman's brain does. How your brain chemistry works isn't exactly a choice. And, please explain, why would someone choose to be part of a group that is hated by so many?

And as far as the whole "bisexuals are greedy and selfish" thing, I dated a bisexual girl for 6 months. She never cheated on me, and I never worried about her cheating on me. I knew she believed in monogamous relationships. I know for a fact that she's had a few actual girlfriends, instead of just fooling around. Not all bisexuals are these slutty hedonists, as so many people appear to think they are.

Ill admit that I did enjoy my gay past, otherwise I would not have done it.

However, you say do what feels natural for you, nature is nothing but God's will.

God's will is opposed to homosexuality.

I have a duty to God and my Church, before any pleasures I may enjoy with other men.
What if you misinterpret the Bible and God does not so will? Then you have sacrificed a life of potential happiness in the name of a misinterpretation.

And what if this still leads you to the ever elusive, metaphoric "Fire and Brimstone?" Will it have been worth it then? :)

Bisexuals, yes.

Homosexuals, yes.

Transexuals, no. :upyours:

Well, I'd say no, too, but without the :upyours:
I know some, and I think that.. well, life dealt you the hand you're going to be playing. Don't try to change it. You can't decide to be gay or straight or bi. You just have to deal with it. You can't decide your gender. You have to deal with it. How does a guy/girl know s/he wants to be a girl/guy if they've never been one? Their brains aren't even the same. They have really no idea what its like. They can't. Switchin' your private parts up doesn't change what you were born with, like abstinence doesn't change your sexual orientation.

Ill admit that I did enjoy my gay past, otherwise I would not have done it.

However, you say do what feels natural for you, nature is nothing but God's will.

God's will is opposed to homosexuality.

I have a duty to God and my Church, before any pleasures I may enjoy with other men.
Thank god I am not tied to that horrific antiquated religion

Ill admit that I did enjoy my gay past, otherwise I would not have done it.

However, you say do what feels natural for you, nature is nothing but God's will.

God's will is opposed to homosexuality.

I have a duty to God and my Church, before any pleasures I may enjoy with other men.

So if nature is nothing but God's will, but God's will is opposed to homosexuality, why would God have people do something that is both against him and for him?

Does God practice doublethink?

Nightwish is the way to go now ;)
Hell yeah. Thumbs up.
Although I didnt like their song "Phantom of the Opera"
But lets try stay on topic.

God's will is opposed to homosexuality.

How do you know that? Don't you think an all-loving god would sanctify all sorts of love between partners who respect each other?

What kind of God do you envision, anyway? A god who subjects people who love differently to eternal torture? Where's the justice, compassion, and mercy in that?

If you cant trust the person you are dating to let you know about something like that maybe you should not be dating them

But if the person is really convincing, then I won't be able to tell the difference. You can't just trust anyone you meet, you gotta be wary. By suggesting that I shouldn't date a person whom I don't trust, you are suggesting that I shouldn't date at all. ;)

Ill admit that I did enjoy my gay past, otherwise I would not have done it.

However, you say do what feels natural for you, nature is nothing but God's will.

God's will is opposed to homosexuality.

I have a duty to God and my Church, before any pleasures I may enjoy with other men.

OK. So if everything is made by God, and He made me who I am, then how, in Christ's name, could he be against homosexuality and bisexuality?

But if the person is really convincing, then I won't be able to tell the difference. You can't just trust anyone you meet, you gotta be wary. By suggesting that I shouldn't date a person whom I don't trust, you are suggesting that I shouldn't date at all. ;)
If you have the trust issues that you seem to then maybe you shouldent

Hell yeah. Thumbs up.
Although I didnt like their song "Phantom of the Opera"
But lets try stay on topic.
:) Agreed.

PS: Try Planet Hell :p

Ill admit that I did enjoy my gay past, otherwise I would not have done it.

However, you say do what feels natural for you, nature is nothing but God's will.

God's will is opposed to homosexuality.

I have a duty to God and my Church, before any pleasures I may enjoy with other men.

You show your arrogance, believing that you, a small man on a small world, can possibly know God's will.

I know some, and I think that.. well, life dealt you the hand you're going to be playing. Don't try to change it. You can't decide to be gay or straight or bi. You just have to deal with it. You can't decide your gender. You have to deal with it. How does a guy/girl know s/he wants to be a girl/guy if they've never been one? Their brains aren't even the same. They have really no idea what its like. They can't. Switchin' your private parts up doesn't change what you were born with, like abstinence doesn't change your sexual orientation.

This is NOT a frivolous choice that people make randomly. They do not wake up and think to themselves, "hmm, I want to be a woman/man." They sincerely feel as if they are, and as if their body is a violation of their identity.

Yes, "private parts" do not determine gender. That is the point. The fact that someone is born with male genitalia does not make them male, and the same is true for the female. They are not trying to change who they are, but to adapt their body to their identity.

If you have the trust issues that you seem to then maybe you shouldent

Would you leave your drink next to a person you've known for 5 minutes, and trust them not to put anything into it, especially if you were a pretty woman (not that I am...a woman, that is) ?

Because that would just be stupid.

But if the person is really convincing, then I won't be able to tell the difference. You can't just trust anyone you meet, you gotta be wary. By suggesting that I shouldn't date a person whom I don't trust, you are suggesting that I shouldn't date at all. ;)
True but just how many transexuals do you think is out their?

Edit: Plant Hell is a great song. Angels fall first is another personal favorite.

This is NOT a frivolous choice that people make randomly. They do not wake up and think to themselves, "hmm, I want to be a woman/man." They sincerely feel as if they are, and as if their body is a violation of their identity.

Yes, "private parts" do not determine gender. That is the point. The fact that someone is born with male genitalia does not make them male, and the same is true for the female. They are not trying to change who they are, but to adapt their body to their identity.
Indeed it is not. I constantly wonder if it would be worth it. I am not that uncomfortable in my body to actually go through with such a change, nor am I willing to put myself through such risk.

Yeah ... not saying ya have to like them

But wondering why he could not tolorate them

Its such an easy thing to live and let live yet so many people have issues with itYou have a point. I guess it was too optimistic of me to just assume he meant he didn't want anything to do with them.

In any case, people shouldn't worry about accidentially dragging home someone of the wrong gender. Beer goggles strong enough to result in that kind of confusion, are guaranteed to get in the way of a good erection, so it's a non-issue.

True but just how many transexuals do you think is out their?

Enough to keep me up at night as I whisper and brood on the edge of my bed...:cool:

Would you leave your drink next to a person you've known for 5 minutes, and trust them not to put anything into it, especially if you were a pretty woman (not that I am...a woman, that is) ?

Because that would just be stupid.
No but I also would not have sex with someone I have known for 5 minuits either

I am not saying trust EVERYONE

But if you decide to DATE someone you should have some level of trust with them
If you cant even trust them to tell you that they were a man/woman then maybe you should not be dating nor having sex with them yet.

I am NOT saying trust strangers

I don't know what God thinks, I would be in sin if I did that.

I can only think and be of the opinion of what the Holy Catholic Church and the Holy Bible state.

Enough to keep me up at night as I whisper and brood on the edge of my bed...:cool:
Then Im glad you live in fear. :cool:

Upward Thrust: "I am NOT saying trust strangers"

Seconded

This is NOT a frivolous choice that people make randomly. They do not wake up and think to themselves, "hmm, I want to be a woman/man." They sincerely feel as if they are, and as if their body is a violation of their identity.

Yes, "private parts" do not determine gender. That is the point. The fact that someone is born with male genitalia does not make them male, and the same is true for the female. They are not trying to change who they are, but to adapt their body to their identity.

What do you mean "private parts" don't determine gender?

Other than what society expects from males and females, our pubes are what make us man or woman.

Of course, some people's chromosomes are screwed up, so they are neither. But that happens very rarely. I don't think people who were otherwise male or female should change their gender.

You have a point. I guess it was too optimistic of me to just assume he meant he didn't want anything to do with them.

In any case, people shouldn't worry about accidentially dragging home someone of the wrong gender. Beer goggles strong enough to result in that kind of confusion, are guaranteed to get in the way of a good erection, so it's a non-issue.
Lol agreed

I don't know what God thinks, I would be in sin if I did that.

I can only think and be of the opinion of what the Holy Catholic Church and the Holy Bible state.
The Church is only human, and has deliberately, or accidentally, misinterpreted the Bible in the past. Do not hold its word to be the one and only "Truth."

I don't know what God thinks, I would be in sin if I did that.

I can only think and be of the opinion of what the Holy Catholic Church and the Holy Bible state.

So you first state that "God's will is against homosexuality" then you state that you don't know what God thinks. I suggest you take a break, take a chill pill, and get what you think straight.

No but I also would not have sex with someone I have known for 5 minuits either

I am not saying trust EVERYONE

But if you decide to DATE someone you should have some level of trust with them
If you cant even trust them to tell you that they were a man/woman then maybe you should not be dating nor having sex with them yet.

I am NOT saying trust strangers

Nowhere did I say I would have sex with a person I've known for 5 minutes.

What if you're on a blind date, and you've just met the person? Do you give them flowers, plant a kiss on their cheek, and then ask them whether they are transexual?

My point is that some people can convince other people all their lives that they are the gender they transferred to.

What do you mean "private parts" don't determine gender?

I meant exactly what I said. A person's gender identity does not always correspond to their sex, and when it does not they have the right to change it.

So you first state that "God's will is against homosexuality" then you state that you don't know what God thinks. I suggest you take a break, take a chill pill, and get what you think straight.
Maybe the problem is that he is thinking too straight to begin with. :x

Well I can only look to the Holy Catholic Church, for the Protestants have diverged away from the Christian ethics and values that they were once part of.

Also, there are my political beliefs. If you forget God's will, Fascism considers homosexuality decadent.

The political group I support (International Third Posistion) calls for homosexuals to be executed.

Your belief in God I can call somewhat justified, despite the Church's own fallacies. Your blind embrace of fascism I cannot though. You would align with the very group that would see you dead? I have some right-wing tendencies, although I cannot comprehend blind hatred against fellow man. Fascism is anti-Christian to begin with...

I don't know what God thinks, I would be in sin if I did that.

I can only think and be of the opinion of what the Holy Catholic Church and the Holy Bible state.

And who is to say whether or not those are true? God has not said it. God does not say it. Only the Catholic Church said it.

And just as God shattered language at the tower of Babylon, how are you to know that He did not also shatter Man's religions? And if He did so, who are you to say which one is more true?

Maybe the problem is that he is thinking too straight to begin with. :x
Oh, sweet, delicious irony :p

I meant exactly what I said. A person's gender identity does not always correspond to their sex, and when it does not they have the right to change it.

Does that person also have the right to fool other people into marrying them, just because those other people thought that the person was male/female, when in fact the person was born the exact opposite?

Figure that one out ;)

But seriously

One thing about the Bible, and why you should not take everything the Pope says.

The Bible teaches peace. Peacepeacepeacepeacepeace. Now, fast foreward to the Crusades. The Pope said that this was a Holy WAR. Contradictory? I think so?

The Church is only human, and has deliberately, or accidentally, misinterpreted the Bible in the past. Do not hold its word to be the one and only "Truth."
This could have very well happend.
But I know if I was God I wouldnt want everyone on Earth being gay.
You have to put in perspective of what time the Bible was written.
Back then people veiw of the size of the world was pretty small.
Plus they couldnt imagin such things as the Technology that is possible right now.

This is probably coming in too late, but no-one else seems to have picked up on it; On the transsexual/tranvestite thing can I just point out two things?

#1; the two terms mean totally different things. One is a person who dresses in the clothes of members of the opposite gender, the other is someone who has been surgically altered or is in the process of being altered to be physically a member of the opposite sex (or of one sex or the other, depending on what that person was born with). I don't feel like pointing out which is which.

#2: Am I the only one who keeps on thinking of Little Britain's "But I'm a laaa-dy!"?

Kravania, please. The Catholics change dogma every half century. The "Truth" (leaving aside the fact that the very notion is a polite fiction) is subject to negotiation. But if you want to argue the "will of the LORD" thing (which has been done to death and back ninety times), then I can tell you that your arguments will only work on someone who accepts the basic premise of them, that the Catholic Church and the doctrine put forward by it are "correct". If I reject the premise, then your arguments are so much marsh gas.

Oh, and for the record; bi, gay, lesbian, whatever, I don't care unless you're interested in me, or vice-versa..

Does that person also have the right to fool other people into marrying them, just because those other people thought that the person was male/female, when in fact the person was born the exact opposite?

I am in favor of honesty and openness in relationships. But I can very much understand why some would choose not to tell, and if we want to stop that from happening we should begin challenging the societal prejudices that make it happen, instead of demonizing their victims.

This could have very well happend.
But I know if I was God I wouldnt want everyone on Earth being gay.
You have to put in perspective of what time the Bible was written.
Back then people veiw of the size of the world was pretty small.
Plus they couldnt imagin such things as the Technology that is possible right now.
Even so, 10% of a small world is still just 10%. Hence, it was, as I said, used as a policy tool in this context. You just validated what I said.

Well I can only look to the Holy Catholic Church, for the Protestants have diverged away from the Christian ethics and values that they were once part of.

Also, there are my political beliefs. If you forget God's will, Fascism considers homosexuality decadent.

The political group I support (International Third Posistion) calls for homosexuals to be executed.
Good thing you guys have zero political, judiciary and moral authority, and that most sane human beings would categorize your beliefs as "looniness".

They are people too
They're not lazy or greedy, they just like both

This is NOT a frivolous choice that people make randomly. They do not wake up and think to themselves, "hmm, I want to be a woman/man." They sincerely feel as if they are, and as if their body is a violation of their identity.

Yes, "private parts" do not determine gender. That is the point. The fact that someone is born with male genitalia does not make them male, and the same is true for the female. They are not trying to change who they are, but to adapt their body to their identity.

I did not mean to imply it was a frivilous choice. I know people who have torn themselves up about what they are: But your genitalia DOES determine your gender. However, even if you COMPLETELY remove what you had, you can not have the opposite of what you were, you can not REALLY be the other gender, and in the end you will only look different. You will not truly be whatever it was you were seeking.
If not genitalia, what does determine it?
And it is not that I don't understand where you're coming from, it's that I still can't agree with it.

But I know if I was God I wouldnt want everyone on Earth being gay.

If I were God, I also wouldn't want that.

But I certainly wouldn't want everyone on earth being straight, either.

God loves everyone - male and female. Of course He would let humans do the same.

One thing about the Bible, and why you should not take everything the Pope says.

The Bible teaches peace. Peacepeacepeacepeacepeace. Now, fast foreward to the Crusades. The Pope said that this was a Holy WAR. Contradictory? I think so?
Actually it condones murder, incest, looting, war, and genocide.

I am in favor of honesty and openness in relationships. But I can very much understand why some would choose not to tell, and if we want to stop that from happening we should begin challenging the societal prejudices that make it happen, instead of demonizing their victims.

and how exactly do we challenge the societal pressures?

it's people like me isn't it :cool:

One thing about the Bible, and why you should not take everything the Pope says.

The Bible teaches peace. Peacepeacepeacepeacepeace. Now, fast foreward to the Crusades. The Pope said that this was a Holy WAR. Contradictory? I think so?
I some how think that the Pope knew that this Holy War was contradictory.
He just wanted more power.
At the time all the major Europeon powers was using Christianty as a excuse for taking over lands.

One thing about the Bible, and why you should not take everything the Pope says.

The Bible teaches peace. Peacepeacepeacepeacepeace. Now, fast foreward to the Crusades. The Pope said that this was a Holy WAR. Contradictory? I think so?
The reigning Pope at the time (Pope Innocent) condemned the extent the Crusaders went to, as it superseded religious goals.

However, even if you COMPLETELY remove what you had, you can not have the opposite of what you were, you can not REALLY be the other gender, and in the end you will only look different. You will not truly be whatever it was you were seeking.

How do you know that? Have you experienced the change yourself?

If not genitalia, what does determine it?

I don't know. Some people once thought that genitalia determined who people would fall in love with, too, but we seem to have overturned that one, even though we still don't know why homosexuality happens.

This is probably coming in too late, but no-one else seems to have picked up on it; On the transsexual/tranvestite thing can I just point out two things?

#1; the two terms mean totally different things. One is a person who dresses in the clothes of members of the opposite gender, the other is someone who has been surgically altered or is in the process of being altered to be physically a member of the opposite sex (or of one sex or the other, depending on what that person was born with). I don't feel like pointing out which is which.I started that, sorry. It wasn't out of ignorance of the terms, but rather because transvestites bug me slightly, whereas transsexuals don't. So I substituted one for the other.#2: Am I the only one who keeps on thinking of Little Britain's "But I'm a laaa-dy!"??!Oh, and for the record; bi, gay, lesbian, whatever, I don't care unless you're interested in me, or vice-versa..So how would you react if your significant other told you he/she/it was bi?

Even so, 10% of a small world is still just 10%. Hence, it was, as I said, used as a policy tool in this context. You just validated what I said.
I never said I contradicted what you said.

Actually it condones murder, incest, looting, war, and genocide.
The Old Testament does. Not the New Testament.

Actually it condones murder, incest, looting, war, and genocide.
Only in the Old Testament. The New Testament is all about peace and love, though.

What do you mean "private parts" don't determine gender?

Other than what society expects from males and females, our pubes are what make us man or woman.

Of course, some people's chromosomes are screwed up, so they are neither. But that happens very rarely. I don't think people who were otherwise male or female should change their gender.

I'm sorry if someone's already posted a response to this, and I'm sorry if it's delving too much into semantics, but our chromosomal configurations and our reproductive organs determine sex. Sex is a biological distinction; gender is a socially constructed one and can operate independent of someone's genitals.

I never said I contradicted what you said.
I know. I just wanted to make my point as crystal clear as possible.

Could i tolerate bisexuals? Yes. But I could not tolerate bisexual ARABS

I say DEATH TO THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Actually it condones murder, incest, looting, war, and genocide.
I know that, but still... The Ten Commandments say "Thou Shalt Not Kill", and "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultury."

and how exactly do we challenge the societal pressures?

Well, one place to start is to actually inform people as to the existence of such individuals and the problems they face.

Winning the debate on the subject comes next.

I some how think that the Pope knew that this Holy War was contradictory.
He just wanted more power.
At the time all the major Europeon powers was using Christianty as a excuse for taking over lands.
Religion is a very useful tool for any power wanting to justify its actions. The greatness of nationhood later replaced it, although it's resurging as a shield against criticism.

Could i tolerate bisexuals? Yes. But I could not tolerate bisexual ARABS

I say DEATH TO THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
...........
And what if you where born a Arab.
I just find your post stupid.

...........
And what if you where born a Arab.
I just find your post stupid.
He started an entire thread just to troll. Better to ignore him.

I know that, but still... The Ten Commandments say "Thou Shalt Not Kill", and "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultury."
Some fundies believe those quotes to be :

"Thou shalt not kill, except if it's a fag, or a black person, or an arab, or... oh, and what the heck..."

and

"Thou shalt not commit adultery, unless your wife doesn't turn you on anymore, in which case thou shall commit it but not get caught"

Could i tolerate bisexuals? Yes. But I could not tolerate bisexual ARABS

I say DEATH TO THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:
This is where I lock you up for all eternity, until you die.

So how would you react if your significant other told you he/she/it was bi?

"Really? Me too."

And I'm fully aware of the Old/New Testament thing. The only problem is that when we hold up "the Bible" and say "this is the word of God" I don't believe there is anything in there about "except for the bits we don't like or don't want to use or are inconvenient".

I'm sorry if someone's already posted a response to this, and I'm sorry if it's delving too much into semantics, but our chromosomal configurations and our reproductive organs determine sex. Sex is a biological distinction; gender is a socially constructed one and can operate independent of someone's genitals.

oh, ok, that makes sense. so, you would say that it's ok for a person to get a sex-change if they don't "feel" male/female?

Well, one place to start is to actually inform people as to the existence of such individuals and the problems they face.

Winning the debate on the subject comes next.

Everyone already knows they exist, and the problems they face are the result of their own choice.

"Really? Me too."

And I'm fully aware of the Old/New Testament thing. The only problem is that when we hold up "the Bible" and say "this is the word of God" I don't believe there is anything in there about "except for the bits we don't like or don't want to use or are inconvenient".
The ultimate policy tool :) Just like the Torah or the Koran.

"Really? Me too."

And I'm fully aware of the Old/New Testament thing. The only problem is that when we hold up "the Bible" and say "this is the word of God" I don't believe there is anything in there about "except for the bits we don't like or don't want to use or are inconvenient".
I didn't say I lived by that rule either.

Just that some of the more vocally conservative elements of christianity in general did. They know who they are.

Everyone already knows they exist

Wrong.

and the problems they face are the result of their own choice.

Like the problems gays and lesbians face?

He started an entire thread just to troll. Better to ignore him.
I can tell.

- Diablos the sniper :sniper: the troll.

"Really? Me too."I guess I should be hitting on you then :p

And I'm fully aware of the Old/New Testament thing. The only problem is that when we hold up "the Bible" and say "this is the word of God" I don't believe there is anything in there about "except for the bits we don't like or don't want to use or are inconvenient".Isn't there something about Jesus dying so people wouldn't have to pay attention to all the nonsense prohibitions & death penalties in the OT?

Oh well, religions are basically monsters. Would be a lot of fun if people didn't suffer in the process. Maybe we can replace all the world religions with something aimed at wasps? - I don't care much for those critters, you see.

Wrong.



Like the problems gays and lesbians face?

Ah...But gays and lesbians don't choose to be gay or lesbian. It's genetic.

I didn't say I lived by that rule either.

Just that some of the more vocally conservative elements of christianity in general did. They know who they are.

We do too; they're the ones with the matches.

Wrong.



Like the problems gays and lesbians face?

Why, of course. Are you implying I'm not deliberately suffering daily prejudice, insults, and intimidation of my own free will? That I do not desire to be ostracized? That I wish I was not viewed as a lesser person by some of my fellow countrymen?

Bah. Bah, I say!

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Ah...But gays and lesbians don't choose to be gay or lesbian. It's genetic.
What then if you are born with a mind that is overwhelmingly female?

Ah...But gays and lesbians don't choose to be gay or lesbian. It's genetic.

Actually, no one has proven that homosexuality is genetic. It is probably innate, but that does not make it genetic.

Similarly, it is unclear what causes transsexuality, but transsexuals do not choose to be transsexual.

oh, ok, that makes sense. so, you would say that it's ok for a person to get a sex-change if they don't "feel" male/female?

Why someone would or would not get a sex change is none of my business. I'd hope it was for a well-thought out, deeply wanted reason. I'd hope each person would understand how drastic the change could be.

But one's sexuality is such a personal matter, that -- provided it's not infringing on anyone else's rights or personal safety -- it's not society's place to dictate what is or is not acceptable.

How do you know that? Have you experienced the change yourself?



I don't know. Some people once thought that genitalia determined who people would fall in love with, too, but we seem to have overturned that one, even though we still don't know why homosexuality happens.

Physically.
Physically, you will not be that other gender. It is not really physically possible, is it? And genitalia determines who can make who pregnant. That is still true. But, we've also kinda decided reproduction isn't love.
I'm sorry if you are this/have friends like this and I'm offending you. I just don't agree. However, I wouldn't decide I couldn't be friends with someone who did this, I just wouldn't involve myself with them romantically. However, it is not impossible that I might end up doing so eventually, if they were a really great person and sex wasn't an issue..
Knowing me and sex, though, o_o;

And scrolling down before I post this, yes, sex and gender are different, but.. Eh. I'm getting tired. This discussion has been long and interesting, but I'm afraid I'm losing this train of thought.

Funny how one question sparked twenty+ pages of debate.

Also, I said I decided a bit unfairly because I'm not like them.. so.. No. I haven't experienced it. But seeing it, it doesn't seem like there's been a change.

When you decide gender has a different meaning than your sex, than alright. You can change it, then, can't you? It's a matter of opinion. Ugh. Head. Tired. Either way, they shouldn't be hated. Hate=unnecessary unless their like.. killing people and destroying lives. Which they aren't.

[off topicness]And I do not like the following smilies:
:upyours: :mp5: :sniper:

However, I do like these:
:D :fluffle: :(

I haven't looked at the other ones.
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Actually, no one has proven that homosexuality is genetic. It is probably innate, but that does not make it genetic.


Yes, so far research on the matter is inconclusive, although it would appear to be genetic. Noone knows for sure yet.

I think bisexuals are lazy and can't make up thier mind which they like more. However I can tolerate them because it is not my buisness to care about other peoples sex lives.
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lol,
i am as well lazy,so maybe you got a point...but i am only like 5% bi and the rest,hetero?

figure that out kinsey...:)

"As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants." Kravinia

Well Kravina sure seems to have it in for the homosexuals, Communists, enlightenment thinkers and democrats --- kind of surprised really, no mention of Jews or Gypsies, then you`d have the whole shebang.

What worries me more is the fact that she is FACTUALLY incorrect. If there is any institution (aside from psychology) who has impressed upon humanity the various categories of imaginative, filthy and depraved things that they do with man, woman, child or chicken it is the Catholic church, which, in its litany of prohibitions, virtually constructed our pansexual sinful world as we know it today. To co-opt a phrase of Foucault`s somewhat out of context "Rather than massive censorship, there has been a regulated and polymorphous incitement to discourse about sexual sin" from the 17th century onward (The History of Sexuality). But I would suggest this discourse has been conducted in the Catholic Church since its inception. This prurient interest has always struck me as somewhat suspicious. But then one of the earliest commentaries of the church was one forbidding paedophilia:

"In spite of all the good done by clergy for children there is an ancient awareness of the danger of and potential for the corruption of children. The Didaché, the oldest extant commentary on the gospels, dating from the early second century, clearly commands, "Thou shalt not seduce young boys" (Foucault, 1988, p. 232).

I guess I should be hitting on you then :p
Depends on how much you like intellectual snobs :D

Isn't there something about Jesus dying so people wouldn't have to pay attention to all the nonsense prohibitions & death penalties in the OT?
Yes, but we don't talk about that. Otherwise we couldn't use the bit in Leviticus about homosexuality being bad and hurting kittens.

Oh well, religions are basically monsters. Would be a lot of fun if people didn't suffer in the process. Maybe we can replace all the world religions with something aimed at wasps? - I don't care much for those critters, you see.
Actually they (religions) are incredibly useful; my nation uses a warped version of Christiantiy to irritate, confuse, and frighten people IC. And people fighting on religious grounds make extremely loyal and fervent fighters. A little too loyal and fervent in some cases.

What then if you are born with a mind that is overwhelmingly female?

You can't be born with a mind that's overhwelmingly female...or male.

Society indoctrinates you, and that is how you get your identity as male or female.

Yes, so far research on the matter is inconclusive, although it would appear to be genetic. Noone knows for sure yet.
And most of us couldn't care less, really.

One thing about the Bible, and why you should not take everything the Pope says.

The Bible teaches peace. Peacepeacepeacepeacepeace. Now, fast foreward to the Crusades. The Pope said that this was a Holy WAR. Contradictory? I think so?
Can you actually tell me what the Crusades were for, or are you just using something people always told you was contradictory as an excuse to say it is so?

And most of us couldn't care less, really.
I pay attention to such research because it's easy for bigots to twist and contort facts if you don't remain vigilant.

Actually, no one has proven that homosexuality is genetic. It is probably innate, but that does not make it genetic.

Similarly, it is unclear what causes transsexuality, but transsexuals do not choose to be transsexual.

I think I'll take the biologists' inconclusive evidence of genetics having a hand in homosexuality over the Bible's "fags are sinners" bullshit.

I think I'll take the biologists' inconclusive evidence of genetics having a hand in homosexuality over the Bible's "fags are sinners" bullshit.
Were it only just the Bible...

Can you actually tell me what the Crusades were for, or are you just using something people always told you was contradictory as an excuse to say it is so?
Open another thread for the Crusades.

I think I'll take the biologists' inconclusive evidence of genetics having a hand in homosexuality over the Bible's "fags are sinners" bullshit.

Homosexuality not being genetic does not mean that "fags are sinners," nor does it even mean that gays and lesbians choose to be gays and lesbians. The evidence seems clear that they do not.

lol,
i am as well lazy,so maybe you got a point...but i am only like 5% bi and the rest,hetero?

figure that out kinsey...:)

Assuming you actually meant to say bi and not gay, here's your report.

5% bi
95% hetero
5% bi = 2.5% hetero, 2.5% homo
97.5% hetero, 2.5% homo
Kinsey Scale: 0 to 6
Score: 1

:D

Can you actually tell me what the Crusades were for, or are you just using something people always told you was contradictory as an excuse to say it is so?

The Crusades, according to the Catholic Church, were to rid the Holy Land of the "Infidels", the Turks.

I think they were just to keep the people busy.

The Turks had total control of Jerusalem, and would not let other people come into it. The Europeans wanted to regain the Holy Land. Some of the different Crusades, were directed at other parts of Europe.

Homosexuality not being genetic does not mean that "fags are sinners," nor does it even mean that gays and lesbians choose to be gays and lesbians. The evidence seems clear that they do not.

Right, that's what I've been saying all along. Homosexuals and bisexuals are born with a preference for the same sex, but transexuals aren't born with a preference to change theirs

Depends on how much you like intellectual snobs :DLike? I adore intellectual snobs. I am one myself, you see. Thankfully, I have next to no formal education & my IQ didn't even impress me, so it's never been terribly difficult to find intellectuals to drool over.

I do have someone at the moment though, so.. Maybe later :D Yes, but we don't talk about that. Otherwise we couldn't use the bit in Leviticus about homosexuality being bad and hurting kittens.I always suspected that had something to do with it :p Actually they (religions) are incredibly useful; my nation uses a warped version of Christiantiy to irritate, confuse, and frighten people IC. And people fighting on religious grounds make extremely loyal and fervent fighters. A little too loyal and fervent in some cases.Which is where the bit about the wasps comes in. Imagine how fast the world would be rid of them if all the religious nutters turned on the little stingy bastards.

.. Though I suppose there'd have to be some clause against using DDT & the likes, or we'd all go the way of the wasps.

What do you mean "private parts" don't determine gender?

Other than what society expects from males and females, our pubes are what make us man or woman.

Of course, some people's chromosomes are screwed up, so they are neither. But that happens very rarely. I don't think people who were otherwise male or female should change their gender.
Gender is social. Sex is physical. End of lesson.

I find it very narrow minded when individuals have the gaul to claim that there is no such thing as bisexuality. If anything I think they're being biphobic. (Yes there is such a word!!!!) I can almost understand heterosexuals for such ignorance. However, I cannot understand it when homosexuals, who have borne the brunt of sexual bigotry, claim that bisexuals don't exist. Excuse me, but last time I checked the "B" in GLB&T stood for something that does indeed exist! So for all of you that thinks bisexuals and bisexuality is something that needs to be "tolerated" :upyours: We're here, we're queer. Get used to it.:D

This is probably coming in too late, but no-one else seems to have picked up on it; On the transsexual/tranvestite thing can I just point out two things?

#1; the two terms mean totally different things. One is a person who dresses in the clothes of members of the opposite gender, the other is someone who has been surgically altered or is in the process of being altered to be physically a member of the opposite sex (or of one sex or the other, depending on what that person was born with). I don't feel like pointing out which is which.


You've left out transgendered...which is someone who is gendered differently than his or her sex...and who has not had an operation to correct this.

Like? I adore intellectual snobs. I am one myself, you see. Thankfully, I have next to no formal education & my IQ didn't even impress me, so it's never been terribly difficult to find intellectuals to drool over.

I do have someone at the moment though, so.. Maybe later :D
I feel flattered, yet cut up by your rejection. I may never recover... OK, over it now. :P

I always suspected that had something to do with it :p Which is where the bit about the wasps comes in. Imagine how fast the world would be rid of them if all the religious nutters turned on the little stingy bastards... Though I suppose there'd have to be some clause against using DDT & the likes, or we'd all go the way of the wasps.
Point, I have to concede there's a point in there.

So how would you react if your significant other told you he/she/it was bi?
Does that automatically, to you, mean they are going to run off and shag someone else? I suspect a lot of people swing less het or homo than they want to admit...hence all the 'straight' guys into anal play, and all the women willing to tango with other women (oh, I'm just doing it to attract straight guys...yeah right...then why are your nipples hard enough to cut glass?).

I'd be more upset finding out my significant other was a closet religious freak:)

Absolutely. One of my best friends is bisexual.

I'd be more upset finding out my significant other was a closet religious freak
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:fluffle:
I knew YOU'D appreciate that!

Absolutely. One of my best friends is bisexual.
I'm sorry Kanabia, I really am...knowing you as a sincere and open poster...but that statement makes me giggle (or is that the medication?)...it sounds like, "Oh yeah, one of my best friends is an African-American/Handicapped Person/ Veteran"....:D

A lot of people say bisexuality is a myth..but I think pure heterosexuality and pure homosexuality are the myths.

The most heterosexual man in the world, I think, is 99% heterosexual. Most people who call themselves straight are just so much more attracted to members of the opposite sex that they ignore what small amount of the opposite inclination they have.

There are 46 chromosomes, and men and women differ by one of them. You think attraction is solely controlled by the X and Y chromosomes?

Does that automatically, to you, mean they are going to run off and shag someone else? I suspect a lot of people swing less het or homo than they want to admit...hence all the 'straight' guys into anal play, and all the women willing to tango with other women (oh, I'm just doing it to attract straight guys...yeah right...then why are your nipples hard enough to cut glass?).

I'd be more upset finding out my significant other was a closet religious freak:)Sin I'm bi myself. I asked because I got the impression that a lot of people here automatically concluded that their bi lover would run off & make sweet sweet love with the nearest lamppost - and that attitude corrosponds with what I've experienced myself.

I once had a relationship with a girl who didn't know I was bi, and got a minor shock when she realised. For a few days, she was convinced I'd be off fucking some bloke as soon as I was out of sight. After much awkward explaining, she was merely convinced I'd want to drag home a score of male sex slaves.. And after some further awkward explaining, it became clear that she was a lot more fascinated by the idea than me.

... All because I mentioned an old boyfriend.

We worked it out though, and she eventually realised I wasn't any different from any other boyfriend she'd had. I'm every bit as jealous, every bit as stupid when sober, every bit as nasty in the morning, every bit as monogamous & so on. The only real difference is that I too would love to shag Johnny Depp.

One of my best friends in college was Bi. I honestly don't see the big deal over it.

There are 46 chromosomes, and men and women differ by one of them. You think attraction is solely controlled by the X and Y chromosomes?

But, But... :confused:
if one doesn't matter and 50(ish) is the only difference between monkeys and us then 1/50 the number of non-hetrosexuals on the earth should be the number of humans that really LIKE monkeys?:D

Bi women are awesome. I've never known any bi men so I really don't know about them.

:cool:

I'm sorry Kanabia, I really am...knowing you as a sincere and open poster...but that statement makes me giggle (or is that the medication?)...it sounds like, "Oh yeah, one of my best friends is an African-American/Handicapped Person/ Veteran"....:D

*shrugs* Sorry. I guess it wasn't necessary to make that comment.

A lot of people say bisexuality is a myth..but I think pure heterosexuality and pure homosexuality are the myths.

The most heterosexual man in the world, I think, is 99% heterosexual. Most people who call themselves straight are just so much more attracted to members of the opposite sex that they ignore what small amount of the opposite inclination they have.

Sorry to disappoint, but this gay boy is 100% faggyness.

Oh, I do find women beautiful... just like a waterfall, or an automn afternoon in the forest, or a beautiful painting :p Beautiful, but definitely not sexually attractive.

Right, that's what I've been saying all along. Homosexuals and bisexuals are born with a preference for the same sex, but transexuals aren't born with a preference to change theirs

It's innate in transsexuals, too. Do you think they choose to belong to a class of people demonized and mocked by practically everyone?

Sorry to disappoint, but this gay boy is 100% faggyness.

Oh, I do find women beautiful... just like a waterfall, or an automn afternoon in the forest, or a beautiful painting :p Beautiful, but definitely not sexually attractive.
I can even see the sexual attractiveness, although it arouses me not :p

I can even see the sexual attractiveness, although it arouses me not :p
Well, what can we say. I'm sorry for the ladies, but they just can't compete with an handsome man's sheer sexyness factor.

Well, what can we say. I'm sorry for the ladies, but they just can't compete with an handsome man's sheer sexyness factor.
Nor can they have us :x

Where is your evidence for that absurd claim?

I have observed that over the decades, Western society has degenerated to such an extent that soon, there will be no more taboos with regards to sexual conduct.

People are being pressured by various decadent agencies (democracy/liberal-degenerate media/education system etc...) to tolerate any perversion and act of immorality.

As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants.

I only hope for the day when the Vatican takes a stand on this.


I doubt anyone really gives a shit about what the Vatican says anymore. Good thing, too.

Here's one...

All the people saying homosexuality and bisexuality are a choice who themselves are one of the aforementioned, raise your hand high.

Now, all those saying that its not a choice and are one of the aforementioned, raise YOUR hand...


Curious... very curious. Seems to me that there arent so many (by that I mean any but Kravania, who I suspect may be lying anyway) in the former category, and a good deal in the latter.

Well, I think I know who I'M going to listen to.

I don't have any problem with the one who lives down the hall from me.

Live and let live I always say.

I bet I could.
Like I said above I have a friend whos gay and he dosent really act all that different or talk with a really high girly voice.

- Diablos the sniper :sniper:

Please tell me this is a joke. Sexuality only influences who you are attracted to, not how masculine or feminine you are. There are perhaps more feminine homosexuals than heterosexuals but I think at least a small part of that is due to playing up to steriotype.

I'm straight and dont have a problem with gay or bi men/women at all, one of my male friends is bi and two of my female friends are aswell, infact one the women taught me how to kiss properly(she told me men and women do kiss differently),although i can find camp gay's a little annoying.

They are who they are and its as simple as that.And i am glad their is such a diverse amount of people on this forum, it is refreshing that noone really cares about sexuel orientation.

Bi women are awesome. I've never known any bi men so I really don't know about them.

:cool:
1. Most of the women you have met who claim to be bisexual are not. They are straight girls who are so obsessed with getting boys to like them that they will try to cash in on any male fantasy they come across, including the ones about hot lesbo action.
2. Real bisexual women are completely turned off by being told they are "awesome." Especially by straight men. Bisexual women are no more or less awesome than anybody else, and we are not interested in being characterized based on who we fuck.
3. Unless you live under a rock, you HAVE known bisexual men. They just didn't share that information with you.

I'm completely in favor of bisexual girls.

Nowhere did I say I would have sex with a person I've known for 5 minutes.

What if you're on a blind date, and you've just met the person? Do you give them flowers, plant a kiss on their cheek, and then ask them whether they are transexual?

My point is that some people can convince other people all their lives that they are the gender they transferred to.
And that is reason to not tolorate them why?

People can do a lot of things if they felt like ... we have to trust on some level for them to not do it to you

At least at certian levels of interactions

Im bisexual.
Im living life to the full.
One tongue is as good as another, and anal works on both sexes.

Yes i can tolerate Bi's.
Tho im very possesive of my hordes of gals and guys. ;)
I like to fuck people up by sayin "Do you love her/him."
"Yes."
"Would you still love her if she grew a cock?"
"Err..."

All homosexuals and bisexuals are the same, perverts who live in sin who propagate their decadence and thus corrupt the innocents with promises of a tempting lifestlye full of hedonism and non-stop self enjoyment and gratification.

They seek to deceive, trust nor tolerate any of them.

Why cannot you understand that God made us that we use sexual intercourse for the purpose of reproduction, for sexual intercourse is a scared ritual for the purpose of species survival and not to be degraded for the purpose of 'pleasure/recreation'.

There is nothing natural about homosexuality/bisexuality, it's nothing but a life of sin.

Homosexual betray their fellow human beings for they degrade the purpose of of species, which is to survive. With that, it can be logically argued that homosexuals are carrying out a genocide, by failing to contribute to our species survival.

Thus homosexuals are morally on the same level as genocidal monsters like Stalin, Mao, Castro and others of their ilk.

Frankly, Kravania, you scare me. I would present an arguement about why I believe you are wrong, but it wouldn't matter because you are too closed minded to consider it. Do you even realize what you sound like saying stuff like this?

The real question is: Why can't you?

my first college roommate was bisexual, and we got along just fine. We could talk about girls, and he could give me tips on how to dress. hehe

I'm bisexual, so, yeah.

It does not mean that I'm confused. It doesn't mean that I'm desperate. It doesn't mean that I want a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time.

It does, however, mean that I occasionally get shit from gay people, which amuses me to no end; after all, what better way to promote tolerance and acceptance than to show your own hatred?

Really, though. If ever anybody wants to stick me in a category and hate me because of something I can't help, then, well, they aren't worth my time.

I'm bi, and in the same damned boat. It's ridiculous how you can get mocked from straights OR gays for either being "evil" or "in denial". Oy.

I have no problem with bisexuals.

People are being pressured by various decadent agencies (democracy/liberal-degenerate media/education system etc...) to tolerate any perversion and act of immorality.
I am forced to tolerate people that I would sometimes like to beat with a heavy, magnetic iron rod. Is this an injustice?

There's nothing wrong with forced tolerance. Societies are all about forcing tolerance. As long as participation is not forced, it's OK.

As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants.

I only hope for the day when the Vatican takes a stand on this.
Have you been living under a rock? Benedict XVI is very much against homosexuality. What do you expect him to do, tell the Swiss Guard to attack gay nightclubs?

If they are hot & sexy ladies then yes, yes I can.
That doesn't make sense. I prefer hot and sexy ladies to be straight, because that way they are more likely to want me and not some woman.

Homosexuals/bisexuals should either repent, bow to God and change their status to what humans are supposed to be, or they should face being punished IMO.
Punished in this life or the next one? If the former, why is it our place to do God's work for him? Why is it our place to presume to know what God wants?

If you spend all your time judging gays (remember we're all sinners, so don't judge), you're a bad Catholic.

Maybe you should repent to God for your bald-faced bigotry.
Good point. He's not free from sin, so how is it his job to judge other sinners?

With regards to Europe, with the declining birth rate amongst the indigenous populations of those nations, homosexuality, along with race mixing and warping the minds of women to favour their 'careers' over their natural duty of motherhood, all of this is done to slowly wipe out the unique characteristics of each and every race, so as to create a world wide, global mongeral race, a race of people with no history or culture, so as to fasten the process of what many people refer to globalisation, a process that aims to one day create a world wide political authority that aims to govern us all and oppress all nations.
Alright, you're a looney. No logic, nothing but hate, all mixed in with a dose of Nazi rhetoric.

LOL I think not. As much as I could use the money I wouldnt want to get with another guy.

Id much rather stick with girls.

So are you able to go gay, no problem, or not?

I get yalls point.
But think about this.
You see two fat people holding hands walking down a street.
You think how could any guy go out with someone that fat.
Youd think that he would much rather be with some hot chick.
Certaintly he cant get a hot girl.
But why is he going out with that girl instead of just staying single?
The answer could be many things.
Maybe hes lonely or maybe he just needs someone to fuck.
But he made a choice to be with her over being alone.
There's no objective definition of hot. Maybe he loves this "fat chick" and to him there is no-one hotter. There's a lot more to relationships than sex.

How young are you? I hope that someday you'll learn by experience that relationships that have nothing more than sexual attraction to build on are not that great.

There is nothing natural about homosexuality/bisexuality, it's nothing but a life of sin.
Homosexuality has been observed in many other mammals.

Homosexual betray their fellow human beings for they degrade the purpose of of species, which is to survive. With that, it can be logically argued that homosexuals are carrying out a genocide, by failing to contribute to our species survival.
There is no shortage of humans in the world. It's not logical to claim that not reproducing is genocide. Genocide = killing a lot of people. A person has to exist before they can be killed.

Thus homosexuals are morally on the same level as genocidal monsters like Stalin, Mao, Castro and others of their ilk.
Unlike you, who advocates mass murder, thinking that homosexuals should be killed?

Unlike you, who advocates mass murder, thinking that homosexuals should be killed?
He is actually gay btw. Just "repented."

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I dont know, because i dont personally know any
I can tolerate hot female bi´s. As long as they include me or at least let me tape their escapades.

Actually, the true definition of a bisexual is someone who is more interested in the mind and soul of a person than the genitalia. It's kind of like... "Hey, you're cool. :cool: You've got a (insert genitalia here)?:rolleyes: I can work with that":p

...Excuse the bad "inserting" pun, it was unintentional:D

It is the Vatican's duty to our Creator and Protector to take a stand!

Those so-called followers who would be driven away, by the Vatican and the Church following and acting on their duties to the Holy Scriptures, would not be true Christians and thus I would be happy to see the back of those non-believers and heretics.

Homosexuals/bisexuals should either repent, bow to God and change their status to what humans are supposed to be, or they should face being punished IMO.


My Dear Misguided Soul,

The Roman Catholic Church has nothing against homosexuals per ce. What it does have a problem with is people having sexual experiences out side of wedlock and with out the both the acceptance of conceiving and the act is preformed in true love.

So if you have ever:
masturbated
had premarital sex of any kind
has sex in a Church sanctioned marriage with a contraceptive
had sex in a Church sanctioned marriage but was not penial/vaginal

then my dear friend you are just as guilty as anyone who has had 'homosexual' sex

As for your thus I would be happy to see the back of those non-believers and heretics... [and].. they should face being punished

That is such an unCatholic/Christian thing to say that it makes me cringe when people say things like that and call themselves "C*". I would also like to point out that the Church teaches that you can and should judge people in most ways except as to whether they will enter Heaven or Hell as only God can see in their Heart and truly judge them.

Cheers,


Why is it that the Fundamentalists have to side with the "Mental" rather then the "Fun"?

Of course. Who am I to judge someone's private actions as long as they do no harm to others?

I can tolerate bisexuals better than I can tolerate people who ask me if I can tolerate bisexuals.

Homosexuality and the lifestyle is promotes is a great temptation, for I speak from personal experience.

For in the past, I did have sex with men.

But now, I realise that I made a mistake.

I repented and asked for forgiveness, but God will decide my fate in the next life, just that I don't want to perish in Hell when I die.

I am actually not attracted to women and have now decided that not having any sexual partners is the best course for me, for I cannot be with women neither can I let myself fall into sin again.

For there is no point in asking for another chance when you destroyed your second chance.

But leaving homosexuality is possible, although it is a struggle.

But I was blessed with a forgiving and helpful clergy at my church.

If this is true (and I have my doubts) it makes me really sad. I don't go in for converting people usually, but listen to me.

You are gay. You're a homosexual. All your 'forgiving and helpful' clergy' have done is to completely warp your mind, somehow mentally burying your attraction and finding that there's nothing in your mind to replace it with. If everyone is born straight, why don't you have any attraction towards women? Answer: because you're gay. It's not too late.The sooner you go back, the sooner you can be happy.

Homework for tonight: go fuck a guy.

If this was in jest, then fuck you all. :p

I don't care about you're body as long as it doesn't affect any unwilling party, but the person who wrote this doesn't know much about catholicism:
Where is your evidence for that absurd claim?

I have observed that over the decades, Western society has degenerated to such an extent that soon, there will be no more taboos with regards to sexual conduct.

People are being pressured by various decadent agencies (democracy/liberal-degenerate media/education system etc...) to tolerate any perversion and act of immorality.

As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants.

I only hope for the day when the Vatican takes a stand on this.

You're church and my former one states that its alright to be what you wan't: just don't avidly practice it. While it is odd, it is saying something.

As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!


The vatican's plan for stopping perverts from becoming clergy is weeding out homosexuals. If that's not bigotry and intolerance to you, I wonder what is.

:upyours: who really cares if your straight/gay/bi?

Ahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha!


The vatican's plan for stopping perverts from becoming clergy is weeding out homosexuals. If that's not bigotry and intolerance to you, I wonder what is.
Agreed The priest that raped me was a self proclaimed Heterosexual

Is this a trick question?

Btw: 27 pages in less than 12 hours? Kind of impressive.

there is nothing wrong with BI people. arent people allowed to experiment???

what is the point in saying that it is wrong?? it is going to happen any way so ppl should just get used to this fact!!!

Homosexuals/bisexuals should either repent, bow to God and change their status to what humans are supposed to be, or they should face being punished IMO.

Just so you know, your opinion is of absolutely no importance to homosexuals/bisexuals, and there is nothing to repent. Other peoples relationships with God are none of your business, and, based on what I read in your post, homosexuals and bisexuals are more human than you are.

Of course, that is just MY opinion...

I am bisexual. I am not confused, I am not "too lazy to choose" and I am not a promiscuous slut spending all my time looking for threesomes. I am simply a person who happens to be attracted to people of both sexes. I have known and understood this about myself for a very long time, and am confident and comfortable with who I am. And, just the same as yours, my sex life is, frankly no one's business but mine and people I choose to share it with. I am smart enough to know that there is no such thing as "recruiting" others towards homosexuality (and I always get a laugh out of it when that is brought up) nor am I more likely to have children who are homosexual (although any children of mine will certainly be more free from prejudice and bigottry... but that should be obvious). Oh, and I am not looking to provide you with pornographic entertainment, so no, you may not watch.

Why anyone should feel they are unable to tolerate me is a mystery to me. Frankly, I am not interested in having sex with anyone who is such a bigot that they feel them must inject their opinions on morality into my life, so my sexuality is not at all at issue to any person suffering from intolerance issues in the first place. People with particular religious bents are welcome to whatever beliefs they want, but I am not interested, so please, do your best to keep them to yourselves. I am not in need of being saved, God is not going to send me to hell if I refuse to repent, and all the noise you have to make to the contrary is just that, noise. I can be tolerant of you, even if you insist on forcing your beliefs on me and trying to convert me, so I would guess that there is probably some way you can find to be tolerant of me, as I am NOT doing any of that.

I am bisexual. I am not confused, I am not "too lazy to choose" and I am not a promiscuous slut spending all my time looking for threesomes. I am simply a person who happens to be attracted to people of both sexes. I have known and understood this about myself for a very long time, and am confident and comfortable with who I am. And, just the same as yours, my sex life is, frankly no one's business but mine and people I choose to share it with. I am smart enough to know that there is no such thing as "recruiting" others towards homosexuality (and I always get a laugh out of it when that is brought up) nor am I more likely to have children who are homosexual (although any children of mine will certainly be more free from prejudice and bigottry... but that should be obvious). Oh, and I am not looking to provide you with pornographic entertainment, so no, you may not watch.

Why anyone should feel they are unable to tolerate me is a mystery to me. Frankly, I am not interested in having sex with anyone who is such a bigot that they feel them must inject their opinions on morality into my life, so my sexuality is not at all at issue to any person suffering from intolerance issues in the first place. People with particular religious bents are welcome to whatever beliefs they want, but I am not interested, so please, do your best to keep them to yourselves. I am not in need of being saved, God is not going to send me to hell if I refuse to repent, and all the noise you have to make to the contrary is just that, noise. I can be tolerant of you, even if you insist on forcing your beliefs on me and trying to convert me, so I would guess that there is probably some way you can find to be tolerant of me, as I am NOT doing any of that.

It seems to be the other way around. Your children would view a "normal" (as society views it) relationship between simply man and woman as correct. The only relationship they would view as "normal" would be a man and man and woman or woman and woman and man. Not necessarily threesomes either, just the idea that liking people of the same gender and the opposite sex is ok. I'm not saying it isn't but no matter where they grow up, they'll be bigots towards one lifestyle or another. It's not necessarily your fault, nor theirs, nor anyone elses, its just the way its going to be.

If people are unable to tolerate you or any one else its for their own reasons and conceptions of what's right and wrong. Those conceptions are likely to be differnet than yours or anyone else's. No one was saying you had to have sex with anyone in this forum. And apparently you are applying the term bigot to all of us, which is frankly unfair and one of the few points you've been wrong in this post. They have no right to "inject" their opinions but every right to voice them. We don't have to keep our opinions or beliefs to our selves, we may if you had asked and not commanded, violating our rights. And if you weren't bigotrous against straights, you wouldn't believe everything said here was "noise" cause most everything is legitimate. No one as far as I've seen has been insistent on forcing their beliefs on anyone, they've just been stating them as the First Amendment states they may.

No, because they're greedy ;)

No.
They are only in denial.
You are either one or the other.

I am sure you have some personal experience that leads you to such an informed opinion.

On a conscious level I am completely fine with it. My person philsophy says you can do whatever you want if you don't hurt any body/impose on someone elses freedoms. However I am ashamed to say that subconsciously I would feel a little uncomfortable. With a man because I would feel that I am being sized up in some way (I know this will be false in 99% of cases, but it is a thought in my mind), and when I know I don't myself like men, it is a little disconceting. With a woman bi I feel embarassment because for some reason I would feel I am being excluded. All that is logically BS, but it is how I would feel. I am fine being around bi's/homosexuals, but I would be less comfortable than when I am around hetro's.

I'm bisexual, so, yeah.

It does not mean that I'm confused. It doesn't mean that I'm desperate. It doesn't mean that I want a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time.

It does, however, mean that I occasionally get shit from gay people, which amuses me to no end; after all, what better way to promote tolerance and acceptance than to show your own hatred?

Really, though. If ever anybody wants to stick me in a category and hate me because of something I can't help, then, well, they aren't worth my time.

babe, wanna know what you might get shit from gay people? because most of us have been down that road; a so-called 'bisexual guy' who fucks off the moment some sweet pussy comes by; or the so-called 'bisexual' guy who wants the relationship kept hush-hush.

Oh, and the fact, a large number of us (not me) went through this, "I'll call myself bisexual' phase; of all the bisexual guys I know, I don't know one who has actually had either sex, relationship or both with a female; it seems to be guys, guys and guys; eventually they grow a backbone and call themselves a fag, but I guess you can say its training wheels for the closet case.

Where is your evidence for that absurd claim?

I have observed that over the decades, Western society has degenerated to such an extent that soon, there will be no more taboos with regards to sexual conduct.

People are being pressured by various decadent agencies (democracy/liberal-degenerate media/education system etc...) to tolerate any perversion and act of immorality.

As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants.

I only hope for the day when the Vatican takes a stand on this.

Babe, what you need is a good hard fuck, I'm sure Fass will be able to assist you in that area.

I went out with a bisexual once. Well, two at a push, but only one proper one and she was the better of the two anyway.

There was a taxi driver who was after a fight upset the lady I was with, and he was an arse.

He might have been bisexual, I did not think to ask.

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"As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants."

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Are you bisexual? I did not realise you rank higher than the Pope? So, the new Catholic line is that God creates people who are innately rotten to the core? That seems odd.

I am Catholic myself, are we all to fit homophobia and bigotry in now? It is not a problem, except I am rather busy at the moment and I am not sure where I would fit it in. Perhaps we could have a hate section in Mass*, you know between the bits about developing your spirituality and loving all men**.




* Perhaps if the people making the offetry were sprinters it would save time.
** Not like that, though.

I went out with a bisexual once. Well, two at a push, but only one proper one and she was the better of the two anyway.

There was a taxi driver who was after a fight upset the lady I was with, and he was an arse.

He might have been bisexual, I did not think to ask.

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"As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants."

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Are you bisexual? I did not realise you rank higher than the Pope? So, the new Catholic line is that God creates people who are innately rotten to the core? That seems odd.

I am Catholic myself, are we all to fit homophobia and bigotry in now? It is not a problem, except I am rather busy at the moment and I am not sure where I would fit it in. Perhaps we could have a hate section in Mass*, you know between the bits about developing your spirituality and loving all men**.




* Perhaps if the people making the offetry were sprinters it would save time.
** Not like that, though.


The guy you quoted (in between those equal signs) is one of those so-called 'ex-gays' aka, a person who doesn't have a backbone, so he prances around claiming to be straight and 'cured' when in reality, he probably cruises public toilets looking for anonymous cock, and most likely doesn't use protection either.

"Originally Posted by Oxfordland
I went out with a bisexual once. Well, two at a push, but only one proper one and she was the better of the two anyway.

There was a taxi driver who was after a fight upset the lady I was with, and he was an arse.

He might have been bisexual, I did not think to ask.

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"As a Catholic, I despair at the fact that the Vatican and the Pope have failed to state the Christian position on this issue. The Vatican has failed to inform people of the wrongs of sexual perversion and the Pope has so far shown open tolerance to homosexuals and other deviants."

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Are you bisexual? I did not realise you rank higher than the Pope? So, the new Catholic line is that God creates people who are innately rotten to the core? That seems odd.

I am Catholic myself, are we all to fit homophobia and bigotry in now? It is not a problem, except I am rather busy at the moment and I am not sure where I would fit it in. Perhaps we could have a hate section in Mass*, you know between the bits about developing your spirituality and loving all men**.




* Perhaps if the people making the offetry were sprinters it would save time.
** Not like that, though."

The guy you quoted (in between those equal signs) is one of those so-called 'ex-gays' aka, a person who doesn't have a backbone, so he prances around claiming to be straight and 'cured' when in reality, he probably cruises public toilets looking for anonymous cock, and most likely doesn't use protection either.

Oh dear.

It is hard to improve yourself, but it is impossible to try and be someone else.

Perhaps he should open himself up to the love of the Church and his fellow man**.

Oh dear.

It is hard to improve yourself, but it is impossible to try and be someone else.

Perhaps he should open himself up to the love of the Church and his fellow man**.

True, true ;)

Its interesting how those who claimed to have 'left the homosexual lifestyle', when you look at their 'experiences', they themselves created their own personal problems NOT homosexuality; they CHOSE to be permiscuous, they CHOSE to have multiple partners, they CHOSE to look for a partner in the wrong places - these are choices THEY made and yet, they come out of the wood work, blaming their homosexuality rather than being an adult and saying, "I made some really fucked up decisions in my life".

True, true ;)

Its interesting how those who claimed to have 'left the homosexual lifestyle', when you look at their 'experiences', they themselves created their own personal problems NOT homosexuality; they CHOSE to be permiscuous, they CHOSE to have multiple partners, they CHOSE to look for a partner in the wrong places - these are choices THEY made and yet, they come out of the wood work, blaming their homosexuality rather than being an adult and saying, "I made some really fucked up decisions in my life".

An interesting point.

I like the cut of you jib, Mr Boys.

I think Upper Botswana puts it really well.

Perhaps all these Christians who condemn homosexuality could think about their behaviour, and wonder whether they're really acting with love and compassion, rather than just being judgemental and bigoted. If people get sent to hell for being gay (which I don't believe will happen) then it is between them and God.

We may all end up in hell, but that is our problem. And it is not you who will pass judgement on us. So please try to exercise a little tolerance.

I think Upper Botswana puts it really well.

Perhaps all these Christians who condemn homosexuality could think about their behaviour, and wonder whether they're really acting with love and compassion, rather than just being judgemental and bigoted. If people get sent to hell for being gay (which I don't believe will happen) then it is between them and God.

We may all end up in hell, but that is our problem. And it is not you who will pass judgement on us. So please try to exercise a little tolerance.

Congratulations on the first post.

With luck, determination and good looks, you may become as great as myself.

Babe, what you need is a good hard fuck, I'm sure Fass will be able to assist you in that area.

Sorry, Catholics that still give a crap about the Vatican are a no go for me. I would say all Catholics, but I've been pleasantly surprised by a few.

Sorry, Catholics that still give a crap about the Vatican are a no go for me. I would say all Catholics, but I've been pleasantly surprised by a few.

Oh well, you've always got me

*lovely boys waves his booty in the air eagerly awaiting fass*

I am bisexual.... I am smart enough to know that there is no such thing as "recruiting" others towards homosexuality (and I always get a laugh out of it when that is brought up) nor am I more likely to have children who are homosexual (although any children of mine will certainly be more free from prejudice and bigottry...

I imagine bisexulaity is the norm. I would not have said that, but there are many who view it as a moral choice.

As a stright man I never made a choice. I am merely stright and would not be able to choose otherwise.

However, those who pride themselves on choosing the straight life, clearly had ot make a choice suggesting they are bisexual, but put aside/repress their homosexual inclinations.

Oh well, you've always got me

*lovely boys waves his booty in the air eagerly awaiting fass*

*declines the tacky offer, has bigger fish to fry*

I'm just trying to picture a situation in which a young boy would get a gay man for his birthday.

Well I s'pose you could hire a rent boy for some ones eighteenth or some such

Ah.. so.. did you have a bad gay experience when you were little so you decided to hate gay people?
And every other gay person had a good experience when they were little, and bisexuals had some really great threesomes, so they decided to be it for the rest of their lives?

Wow, imagine if that was how it worked though, that would have had to be a really great threesome, I kinda feel I am missing out now :p

*snip*
Question, if you truly believe that people should stick to their own cultures doesn't that mean you should be pagan rather than Christian, what with it being originally a middle-eastern faith, oh and it might be for the best that you not sleep with any one what with us all being filthy mixed-blood types now.

I am bisexual. I am not confused, I am not "too lazy to choose" and I am not a promiscuous slut spending all my time looking for threesomes. I am simply a person who happens to be attracted to people of both sexes. I have known and understood this about myself for a very long time, and am confident and comfortable with who I am. And, just the same as yours, my sex life is, frankly no one's business but mine and people I choose to share it with. I am smart enough to know that there is no such thing as "recruiting" others towards homosexuality (and I always get a laugh out of it when that is brought up) nor am I more likely to have children who are homosexual (although any children of mine will certainly be more free from prejudice and bigottry... but that should be obvious). Oh, and I am not looking to provide you with pornographic entertainment, so no, you may not watch.

Why anyone should feel they are unable to tolerate me is a mystery to me. Frankly, I am not interested in having sex with anyone who is such a bigot that they feel them must inject their opinions on morality into my life, so my sexuality is not at all at issue to any person suffering from intolerance issues in the first place. People with particular religious bents are welcome to whatever beliefs they want, but I am not interested, so please, do your best to keep them to yourselves. I am not in need of being saved, God is not going to send me to hell if I refuse to repent, and all the noise you have to make to the contrary is just that, noise. I can be tolerant of you, even if you insist on forcing your beliefs on me and trying to convert me, so I would guess that there is probably some way you can find to be tolerant of me, as I am NOT doing any of that.



It seems to be the other way around. Your children would view a "normal" (as society views it) relationship between simply man and woman as correct. The only relationship they would view as "normal" would be a man and man and woman or woman and woman and man. Not necessarily threesomes either, just the idea that liking people of the same gender and the opposite sex is ok. I'm not saying it isn't but no matter where they grow up, they'll be bigots towards one lifestyle or another. It's not necessarily your fault, nor theirs, nor anyone elses, its just the way its going to be.

If people are unable to tolerate you or any one else its for their own reasons and conceptions of what's right and wrong. Those conceptions are likely to be differnet than yours or anyone else's. No one was saying you had to have sex with anyone in this forum. And apparently you are applying the term bigot to all of us, which is frankly unfair and one of the few points you've been wrong in this post. They have no right to "inject" their opinions but every right to voice them. We don't have to keep our opinions or beliefs to our selves, we may if you had asked and not commanded, violating our rights. And if you weren't bigotrous against straights, you wouldn't believe everything said here was "noise" cause most everything is legitimate. No one as far as I've seen has been insistent on forcing their beliefs on anyone, they've just been stating them as the First Amendment states they may.

To answer your first point, my children would be brought up to believe that a relationship between consenting adults is fine, whatever form it takes. If that is one man and one woman, that is just the same as if it is any of a number of other possibilities. I refuse to even TRY to figure out what "normal" means, as it has such widely disparate definitions. This would not make them prejudiced against heterosexual relationships, any more than your children being brought up to believe in equal rights for African Americans would make them prejudiced against Caucasians. So no, they would not be bigots.

My point about people being unable to tolerate me because I am bisexual was simply that they would have no cause to do so, as my bisexuality in no way affects them. In my objection to those who "inject their opinions on morality into my life" I was speaking of people who I know personally who would have cause to be intolerant... and trying to point out that most of the people posting here are NOT such people. Thus, if they ARE intolerant, it is an issue of bigotry against bisexuals in general, not of personal affront. It is the same as if I were to say "I can't tolerate you because you are religious". Which, by the way, I have not said. In fact, I went to lengths to point out that I am NOT intolerant of "people with particular religious bents"... even though I do not support what they do (that was the "noise" to which I refer). I do, however, support their right to make such noises, but wanted to point out that I do not plan to be moved by them. Would you feel better about it if I had said "... just that, noise to me"? I felt certain that it was what was implied.

I was not objecting to people saying their piece, just advising them that directing it at me in particular will have no effect, so I kind of wish they wouldn't. I AM tolerant of the noise, I have not said you should not be allowed to make it. I have said that I, personally, don't like it, but you do what you must.

And I have not said everyone on this forum is a bigot, and am sorry if you felt yourself tarred by that brush... however, one who is intolerant of someone who is different MERELY BECAUSE of that difference falls pretty close to bigot, wouldn't you say?

To answer your first point, my children would be brought up to believe that a relationship between consenting adults is fine, whatever form it takes. If that is one man and one woman, that is just the same as if it is any of a number of other possibilities. I refuse to even TRY to figure out what "normal" means, as it has such widely disparate definitions. This would not make them prejudiced against heterosexual relationships, any more than your children being brought up to believe in equal rights for African Americans would make them prejudiced against Caucasians. So no, they would not be bigots.

That's very fair, to both your children, to yourself, and to the rest of society. Its fairest to your children so they don't grow up being ridiculed.

My point about people being unable to tolerate me because I am bisexual was simply that they would have no cause to do so, as my bisexuality in no way affects them. In my objection to those who "inject their opinions on morality into my life" I was speaking of people who I know personally who would have cause to be intolerant... and trying to point out that most of the people posting here are NOT such people. Thus, if they ARE intolerant, it is an issue of bigotry against bisexuals in general, not of personal affront. It is the same as if I were to say "I can't tolerate you because you are religious". Which, by the way, I have not said. In fact, I went to lengths to point out that I am NOT intolerant of "people with particular religious bents"... even though I do not support what they do (that was the "noise" to which I refer). I do, however, support their right to make such noises, but wanted to point out that I do not plan to be moved by them. Would you feel better about it if I had said "... just that, noise to me"? I felt certain that it was what was implied.

I was not objecting to people saying their piece, just advising them that directing it at me in particular will have no effect, so I kind of wish they wouldn't. I AM tolerant of the noise, I have not said you should not be allowed to make it. I have said that I, personally, don't like it, but you do what you must.

I was sure that's what you meant, but I'm overly cynical and incase there was anyone else in this forum who saw hidden meanings in those words I figured I'd ask all the questions so that you could answer them without heat being put on you by multiple people all though I haven't been following thsi thread.

And I have not said everyone on this forum is a bigot, and am sorry if you felt yourself tarred by that brush... however, one who is intolerant of someone who is different MERELY BECAUSE of that difference falls pretty close to bigot, wouldn't you say?

Like I said before, I only asked so you wouldn't get grilled by others. I didn't feel tarred at all knowing it wasn't meant for me. Therefore there was no need for an apology. And I would 100% agree with you that they ARE a bigot, no matter how small a difference.