NationStates Jolt Archive

The answers pretty obvious. I'm no complaining. Yet.

Ok, I'm BNP, and I've read about 92-98% of the posts on this.

We all know it's never possible to agree with 100% of a party's policies, even the staunchest of Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, whatever, supporters would agree with this (on the inside anyway). So right now don't see me as 100% BNP.

I think that the party itself goes a step too far from occasion-to-occasion, while I do agree with the kicking out of illegal immigrants, most people would, based on the fact they ARE (as the name implies) illegally in this country.

(I'm going off on one here, on what I'd do as BNP leader - whoops)

I don't think any immigrant (legal) should be kicked out based on colour of skin, or anything like that. If any legal immigrant should be kicked out, it should be those like Abu Hamza, or those who sit on their bottoms all day skiving off the British benifit system. I paid tax to repair the road outside my house, not for people to sit around doing nothing.

And before someone goes 'oh you're only talking about immigrants' 1) white people immigrate also and 2) I'd stop benefits for anyone who CAN work and doesn't, regardless of age, gender, race etc.

Then I'd only allow in immigrants who can prove they have a job in this country waiting for them, or can prove that they've worked for a period of time in their country, or another country.

I'd pull out the EU, Britain didn't need the EU before the 70's to trade, and it still doesn't, we have good partners in India, China, the USA, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc etc that we can trade with without needing an organisation. I would never pull out the EU though.

And yes, there would be elections at least every 5 years.

I've got to go out, but feel free to telegram me or PM me (do they do PM's on here? I have no idea)...but one thing is for definate, the BNP needs a shake up, get rid of the more far-right Stormfront type people, and any NF guys, and make them a more acceptable party.
Now that's the kind of BNP person I'd vote for (plus, if they did something I didn't like, I could send them loads of spammy PMs);) .

Bostopia for PM.

Erm... the Nazis were not the predeccesor of the BNP. They are both rascist parties. doesnt make one the predecessor of the other.

Oh, and unfortunately, the BNP are British. You cannot say they arent just because they dont represent your views. They stand for the xenophobic and rascist section of the community, which isnt miniscule in Britain. In fact Britain has quite a history of xenophobia. Of course, doesnt mean we shouldnt try to overcome the BNP, and reveal the nasty bastards they are.

The BNP has neo-nazi elements within it, without any doubt. The head of the BNP Youth Mark Collett was filmed for a Channel 4 documantary seceretly, where he declared his admiration for Adolf Hitler and UDA terrorist Johnny Adair. I said their idelogical predecessor were the Nazis. Without doubt, they share idelology.

Britain has a history of racism, xenophobia and thousands of other crimes. But that's a history - the past. We aren't like that now. We are now a tolerant country. All countries have shits like the BNP. Le Pen got into the French Runoff. The German National Democratic Party has representation is some Landtags, and nearly made it to the Bundestag last year. But i'm sure Germany still claims not to be racist anymore.

But let's forget all that and "reveal the nasty bastards they are"!

The answers pretty obvious. I'm no complaining. Yet.

Either you are all of those things or you accept that what you say implies that you are. Either way you are at fault and you have no right to complain even if you wanted to.

Allow me to quote directly from the BNP website:

"We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons." (If this isn't racism, I don't know what is.)

"a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question." (Insulting, even to non-economic migrants.)

"Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home." (Has no-one told them we'll be subject to a tariff on all our exports to the EU, our biggest trading partner?)

A few years ago I went through their policies and annotated them in this kind of fashion. I concluded that even if they weren't racist, they would make a terrible government.

And if I can point out these glaring idiocies, I'm sure a serious political mind can find many more.

If anyone wants a copy of my annotations, telegram me.

Either you are all of those things or you accept that what you say implies that you are. Either way you are at fault and you have no right to complain even if you wanted to.

And I am at fault how?

Besides. I'm reserving self-judgement for later years.

And I am at fault how?

Besides. I'm reserving self-judgement for later years.

Do you have friends your own age?

Do you have friends your own age?
Plenty. I believe your thinking that I might not with my extremist views? Well they're really not bothered. I'm probably the only one who's crazy about politics, except for my Hitler-lookalike friend.

Plenty. I believe your thinking that I might not with my extremist views? Well they're really not bothered. I'm probably the only one who's crazy about politics, except for my Hitler-lookalike friend.

Maybe when they find out about your political beliefs actually mean their attitude towards you might change. Are you at a mixed school?

Hehe.
BNP.
... that's the name of my bank.

... *blink*... huh? what?

oh. Sorry. Do carry on.
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Maybe when they find out about your political beliefs actually mean their attitude towards you might change. Are you at a mixed school?
I'm pretty open about what I believe. Yes it's a mixed school. I even have a black friend. I doubt I still qualify as racist.

I'm pretty open about what I believe. Yes it's a mixed school. I even have a black friend. I doubt I still qualify as racist.

You are in your attidute to Muslims.

You are in your attidute to Muslims.
So that makes me racist? Maybe anti-islamist but not racist. Colour of skin dosn't matter to me.

I'm pretty open about what I believe. Yes it's a mixed school. I even have a black friend. I doubt I still qualify as racist.

I'm trust trying to see if there are any excuses for your views. But nope, it's all down to you.

You say you have a black friend. If the BNP leadership (in a moment of honesty) said that it thought blacks were inferior and should be deported, what would you do?

NB honesty means representative of their own deeply-held views.

British Nazi Party, in my opinion.

Exactly. I believe that their founder, Tyndall, was a nazi apologist. He's dead now, what a shame.(sarcasm). Oh yeah, the BNP hates gays as well, and would have them locked up.

I'm trust trying to see if there are any excuses for your views. But nope, it's all down to you.

You say you have a black friend. If the BNP leadership (in a moment of honesty) said that it thought blacks were inferior and should be deported, what would you do?

NB honesty means representative of their own deeply-held views.

NB?

NB?

you know exactly what NB means. Answer my point.

you know exactly what NB means. Answer my point.

Indeed. I'd like to see an answer as well, but Imperiux doesn't seem to like answering questions set against him.

Personally I'd feel outraged and ashamed and probably foolish. I'd have to shift my position radically and accept that the BNP are racist. Actually it doesn't bare thinking about! I love my girlfriend so much... maybe I shouldn't support the BNP :(

But then you weren't asking me...

Okay so after reading some threads here on Islam and new religious conflicts I took a look at what the British National Party has to offer us should they come in to office. I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what they say but there are certain areas that worry me; the unwillingness to recognise the US as the world police and required ally essentially.

Does anyone else share sympathies with the BNP's manifesto or is it just me?

I would concur with the above, however only insofar as their immigration and racial policy are preferable to those advocatedby the major parties. Indeed, place their ethnic policy within the remainder of the Tory manifesto, pre-Cameron, and I would be ecstatic.

I would concur with the above, however only insofar as their immigration and racial policy are preferable to those advocatedby the major parties. Indeed, place their ethnic policy within the remainder of the Tory manifesto, pre-Cameron, and I would be ecstatic.

Sadly "the above" isn't fluffy bunny politics, which is Cameron's forte.

Sadly "the above" isn't fluffy bunny politics, which is Cameron's forte.

Precisely why Davis or Clarke was required, in the absence of Haig or Fox.

Precisely why Davis or Clarke was required, in the absence of Haig or Fox.

Clarke (a europhile) leading the conservative party?

You're a funny man.

Clarke (a europhile) leading the conservative party?

You're a funny man.

Tragic, but he would be the best leader for the party.

Tragic, but he would be the best leader for the party.

Why tragic? Most British people don't want to be part of a European super state, shouldn't the leader of the Conservative Party reflect that?

I would concur with the above, however only insofar as their immigration and racial policy are preferable to those advocatedby the major parties. Indeed, place their ethnic policy within the remainder of the Tory manifesto, pre-Cameron, and I would be ecstatic.


'ethnic policy' ?

Disappointing, I never took you as a racist. Ridiculous perhaps but not abhorrent.

In addition, I find it astounding that you don't seem to be aware that Cameron is the most 'Conservative' leader your lot have had in nearly thirty years. I know you adore Thatcher but she was a radical, not a classic Tory, and after being deposed, she continued to inflict damage on the party for over a decade. She undermined Major's hapless efforts repeatedly and backed successive hopeless leaders in 1997 and 2001; the only reason you got someone halfway electable this time is because the old bat can no longer speak and therefore couldn't interfere.

the mark of a free society is the acceptance of views that although abhorrent are expressed in a peaceful manner.......if the bnp actually is peaceful then whatever i suppose we have to let them do it though i know some of its members have been violent......i hate the bnp but i'm afraid that we'll just have to accept people like then and the nf and hope reason will make them see their errors....dont think it will happen thouhg

somneone said earlier about the bnp's stance on law and order, i'd agree with that particular view of theirs IF it were implemneted fairly.....otherwise i disagree with them fundamentally.....

Is that in a weekend course?
It normally is but Americans tend to take a week to complete it. :D

Precisely why Davis or Clarke was required, in the absence of Haig or Fox.

I would have preffered any of those leaders, but for completely different reasons.

Clarke - Tory party ripping itself apart. Oh, that would have been so nice to watch.

All the others - Too right wing to win. The tory party needs to move slightly to the left (ie, into the right of centre area) to appeal to enough of the general populace to win in the election. Another few elections of being banished to the par end of the political spectrum may give it long enough for the geriatric supporters of the Tory party to die off, meaning it would have no chance to win anything, swinging British politics to the left. Whoo hoo.

Irritatingly, Cameron has a chnce of appealing to other sectors of the population, but I see that the tory party has begun its normal infighting again (Tory members critciseing Cameron), so that may come to nought.

Got a BNP leaflet shoved through my door.

Going on about how so many children are killed by known paedophiles, but nothing is being done about it.

They seem like caring people.

I object that rope is the only punishment for paedos.

Genetic engineering is. Save many more lives by using the scum that we have available for disposal. One life could save thousands if we develop cures for many diseases.

Re-use. Reduce. Recycle.

USSR 4ev@

Got a BNP leaflet shoved through my door.

Going on about how so many children are killed by known paedophiles, but nothing is being done about it.

They seem like caring people.

I object that rope is the only punishment for paedos.

Genetic engineering is. Save many more lives by using the scum that we have available for disposal. One life could save thousands if we develop cures for many diseases.

Re-use. Reduce. Recycle.

USSR 4ev@

The BNP, like any extremist party, use shock tactics to try and gain votes. Yes, Paedophiles attack children - it happens. But it isn't the epidemic that the BNP tries to make out it is. Oh, and tell me - does the leaflet actually list any of their policies on it, other than anti-Paedophilia?

The BNP, like any extremist party, use shock tactics to try and gain votes. Yes, Paedophiles attack children - it happens. But it isn't the epidemic that the BNP tries to make out it is. Oh, and tell me - does the leaflet actually list any of their policies on it, other than anti-Paedophilia?

Not really. But I can draw up a famous quote that doesn't either.

Education, Education, Education

Got a BNP leaflet shoved through my door.

Going on about how so many children are killed by known paedophiles, but nothing is being done about it.

They seem like caring people.

I object that rope is the only punishment for paedos.

Genetic engineering is. Save many more lives by using the scum that we have available for disposal. One life could save thousands if we develop cures for many diseases.

Re-use. Reduce. Recycle.

USSR 4ev@
Can't find a copy of that one on the web, but if it is as full of shit as this one -

http://www.bnp.org.uk/pdf_files/IslamicterrorA5.pdf

...then it is laughable.

"Who is to blame for the 7/7 massace? Muslim extremists! Who is to blame for them being in the country? Labour, the Tories and the LibDems - with a bit of help from the BBC!

Why? Because all the old parties worked together to turn our once all-white country into an overcrowded multi-cultural slum."

Bollocks. The British Isles haven't been all white since at least Roman times.

Also funny that they make no mention of the fact that the last bombing campaign in London was carried out by a BNP member... (with a tiny penis, no less).

Need to remember to use quote marks. That's why you didn't find it.

Need to remember to use quote marks. That's why you didn't find it.

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Confused?
I understand.

I'm bordering on the edge of sanity.

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Confused?
I understand.

I'm bordering on the edge of sanity.

I didn't understand your previous comment about quote marks and not finding things, and was asking for you to elucidate.

I didn't understand your previous comment about quote marks and not finding things, and was asking for you to elucidate.

I had some meaning. I've just forgotten.

I'm bordering on the edge of sanity again.

USSR 4ev@
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We need a right wing government now.

I'm bordering on the edge of sanity.

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That was either a "." or I have a dead pixel on my screen.

That was either a "." or I have a dead pixel on my screen.

Pssst... You just got zinged...

I think the important thing here is that parties like the BNP are tapping into a general sentiment that many British people agree with regardless of the colour of their skin; that they are fed up with having to appease minority groups whether they consider it to be right or wrong. Many people are also fed up to the back teeth with having to tread carefully about what they say and do in case they might offend someone. A lot of these cultures have ideas and customs that our incompatible with our own, should we give up our ancestors hard fought freedoms to appease these backwards often archaic customs? And don't say it isn't happening cause it's happening right now with a whole stack of government legislature.

I personally believe this is putting us on a course to conflict in this country and many others in Europe. We are taught from a young age that our freedom and our right to say what we think is our most important right but now that's being rolled back with a lot of these new laws and it's causing massive discontent.

Multi-cuturalism is an ass. How can their be an understanding between different cultures within a society when there is no encouragement for them to mix, when children at school are required to wear a uniform unless their culture tells them otherwise. What a load of rubbish, when in Rome...

The thing is all these people really want is to be included in society, many of their aspirations are western in nature. When they realise that their culture is a barrier to these aspirations they become discontented and sometimes dangerous and resent the majority population.

It is my personal conviction that the religous and ethnic minorities in this and other european countries should be encouraged to become more fully intergrated into the dominant way of life if we want to aviod a scale of violence and terrorism on a much greater scale than previously seen.

The BNP, like any extremist party, use shock tactics to try and gain votes. Yes, Paedophiles attack children - it happens. But it isn't the epidemic that the BNP tries to make out it is. Oh, and tell me - does the leaflet actually list any of their policies on it, other than anti-Paedophilia?

That would indeed be because they do not actually have any less risable policies than the Monster Raving Loony party.

British Nazi Party, in my opinion.
What's a Nazi?

That would indeed be because they do not actually have any less risable policies than the Monster Raving Loony party.

The Monster Raving Loony Party is one of the best Parties ever, but not as good as my birthday party.

BNP do have some sense though.

BNP do have some sense though.
And?

What's a Nazi?

:eek: ! :eek:

Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi)

You don't know what a Nazi is?

Wow. That's pretty scary.

You don't know what a Nazi is?

Wow. That's pretty scary.

Whooooosh!


At least I heard the sound of Malaclypse's post as it went over my head.

:eek: ! :eek:

Nazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi)

You don't know what a Nazi is?

Wow. That's pretty scary.
Thanks, now can you tell me what a Nazi isn't?

They're a neo-nazi party. Nuff said. I have no love for them and I still cringe when I remember those terrible flamewars with supporters of the BNP and their advocacy of white supremacy.

Thanks, now can you tell me what a Nazi isn't?

Try googling the question. But it's pretty obvious if you've read all that.

Wow.

Not knowing what a nazi is.

:eek: ! :eek:

Wow again.

They're a neo-nazi party.

More properly third positionists.

Nope, I'd never vote for them and I never will. I disagree with just about all of there policys and disagree with them personally. I find most of there supports are Xenophobic idiots that have never met a coloured person before. I am all for immigration-with our population demographic we need it- and most immigrants do the hard dirty jobs we don't. yes there are some bad eggs but most are vetted out pritty quickly.

But then again I'm also for complete free speech and democracy, so I can't protest at them existing. However, just as I would never vote for the Conservatives, UKIP, White Supermcists and many far right partys I will never vote for them, they claim to a non-racist party but how can they say that when there leaders in jail for racist comments?

Pssst... You just got zinged...

the correct form is "zung"

the correct form is "zung"

No. Zing. ZING, DAMN YOU!

No. Zing. ZING, DAMN YOU!

The contract agency is right.

Zung is not a term I've ever heard of.

And what does zing mean perchance?