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Okay so after reading some threads here on Islam and new religious conflicts I took a look at what the British National Party has to offer us should they come in to office. I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what they say but there are certain areas that worry me; the unwillingness to recognise the US as the world police and required ally essentially.

Does anyone else share sympathies with the BNP's manifesto or is it just me?

I agree with none of their policies, apart from when they mentioned reforming compensation law to make it harder to sue for no apparent reason... havent heard anything on that since.

BAsically, they're way to xenophobic and racist.

My brother supports them however :(

A lot of the manifesto is just common sense but unfortunately they'll never fly given the whole "0MG T3H BNP I5 W0RS3 TH@N SATAN" thing.

I doubt their ability as administrators, however, and because of preconceived notions about them they attract a lot of degenerate elements.

Okay so after reading some threads here on Islam and new religious conflicts I took a look at what the British National Party has to offer us should they come in to office. I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what they say but there are certain areas that worry me; the unwillingness to recognise the US as the world police and required ally essentially.

Does anyone else share sympathies with the BNP's manifesto or is it just me?


No it's just you.

Indeed, theres not much evidence they could run the country but it gives me hope knowing the support is (apparently) growing. Now i'm no racist but I can't stand and watch my country destroyed by multi-culturalism. Fair play to anyone who can come to England and get a job, learn the language, is economically active and lives by the law... everyone else should be stopped on the borders.

The BNP are racist and xenophobic neo-nazi scum. Thats is all. The day that Britain succums to their hatred, I will no longer consider myself British and move to New Zealand.

Indeed, theres not much evidence they could run the country but it gives me hope knowing the support is (apparently) growing. Now i'm no racist but I can't stand and watch my country destroyed by multi-culturalism. Fair play to anyone who can come to England and get a job, learn the language, is economically active and lives by the law... everyone else should be stopped on the borders.
And yet there are far more English people who don't do those things. Should we kick them all out? 'Cos it's gonna take you years.

A lot of the manifesto is just common sense but unfortunately they'll never fly given the whole "0MG T3H BNP I5 W0RS3 TH@N SATAN" thing.

I doubt their ability as administrators, however.

What exactly is 'Common Sense' about their Manifesto?

Stammtischpartei. That's the word we'd use in German for parties like these.

Incapable of debating, incapable of politics, all this party does is appeal to people's xenophobia and other irrational behaviour. If anyone agrees with them, that generally indicates that that person is either very confused or very ignorant.

What exactly is 'Common Sense' about their Manifesto?

5. We believe in 'Restorative Justice' - all fines imposed by the Courts will be given to the victims not the government. Criminals will be forced to repair any damage they have done in the community.

That looks like common sense to me. What would you call it?

On some issues they are not actually very different on other parties, except their policies are even worse thought out than those.

What really stands out about them is their rascism and xenophobia. While I may find certain things in their manifesto I can agree with (like needing to provide more social housing) they all have a rascist or xenophobic slant (like these new houses should only be for "British" people. How the fuck fo you define "British". My guessing is that they mean white".) So, even if you agree with certain things they say, a vote for the BNP is a vote for hatred of non-whites. Doesnt matter how they paint themselves.

What of course is really scary of course is the National Front. They are the people who were too nasty for the BNP. And they stood and got votes in some seats.

That looks like common sense to me. What would you call it?

Ah. I take the point. I thought you meant the whole xenophobic and racist part of their manifesto.

Neu Leonstein did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, people support the British National Party because they agree to more than this supposed xenophobia the party upholds?

If you actually look at the manifesto (www.bnp.org.uk) then maybe you'll agree with some of the policies yourself which, as already had been said, are common-sense no nonsense policies which Labour would do well to even consider. Let's face it... England is fucked up and is only getting worse.

In reply to Egg and Chips; the best the BNP can do is to encourage rehabilitation and restorative punishment aswell as simply providing jobs for these people. I know its not as simple as that but hell its a starting point! Why should asylum seekers come to England and receive benefits and support from our government when there are decent hard-working families out there that are subject to atrocious quality of living and standard of life that receive no support. But this isn't just about immigration its a direct result of key jobs being under-valued and under paid. Why should my mum save lives every single day of the year and yet we cannot afford to go shopping every week for food without cutting back elsewhere? It stinks.

Ah. I take the point. I thought you meant the whole xenophobic and racist part of their manifesto.

I believe that, when it comes to manifestos, you can cherry pick good things. A lot of BNP policies would be good for the country; many I disagree with--but you've got to look at the whole thing.

That looks like common sense to me. What would you call it?

What it actually means -

5. We believe in 'Restorative Justice' for British Whites - all fines imposed by the Courts will be given to the white victims not to the muslim-appeasing, jew-controlled government. Criminals, i.e. non-whites, will be forced to repair any damage they have done in/to the white community (although they will have to wear gloves at all times and must be kept away from our women and children)

Valdania; do you think the BNP is arrogant?

In reply to Egg and Chips; the best the BNP can do is to encourage rehabilitation and restorative punishment aswell as simply providing jobs for these people. I know its not as simple as that but hell its a starting point! Why should asylum seekers come to England and receive benefits and support from our government when there are decent hard-working families out there that are subject to atrocious quality of living and standard of life that receive no support. But this isn't just about immigration its a direct result of key jobs being under-valued and under paid. Why should my mum save lives every single day of the year and yet we cannot afford to go shopping every week for food without cutting back elsewhere? It stinks.
There's plenty of jobs around already, and yet there are still plenty of people who wont get jobs.

Asylum seekers do not recieve more money than a "hard working" family. Maybe they are happy living on the less money, but that is a tiny minority. Crewe, where I live, has had an oinflux of 6000 Polish people since they joined the EU, and the vast majority of them have jobs.

What job does your mother do that is so under paid?

Valdania; do you think the BNP is arrogant?

To demand immigrants leave the country and stop entering, and believing that whites are superior to them?

Fuck yes.

What it actually means -

5. We believe in 'Restorative Justice' for British Whites - all fines imposed by the Courts will be given to the white victims not to the muslim-appeasing, jew-controlled government. Criminals, i.e. non-whites, will be forced to repair any damage they have done in/to the white community (although they will have to wear gloves at all times and must be kept away from our women and children)

Is that what it says? I don't see anything about Jews or liberals being given fines. I see only a policy concerning only criminals. Is it a policy you disagree with? Why do feel the need to raise the question of race when even the wicked BNP haven't seen fit to?

Neu Leonstein did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, people support the British National Party because they agree to more than this supposed xenophobia the party upholds?
"Supposed xenophobia"...

Anyways. I couldn't find their program, the page I think it's on doesn't load on my PC.
But I would call that "victim gets the fines" thing populism, not an actual worked-out policy. As I said, Stammtischpartei.

To demand immigrants leave the country and stop entering, and believing that whites are superior to them?

Fuck yes.

Erm, firstly, are you called Valdania?

Secondly, I was highlighting the fact that Valdania is as arrogant as the xenophobic/racist BNP. Btw, I'm a member and my girlfriend is black... who sees a problem there?

This is called satire.

A BNP politician who is questioned for any length of time by a moderately skilled interviewer will steadily laspe back into such a narrative. I'm assuing this is quote from their website; that means nothing.

The BNP sounds like it won't work in reality.

The BNP sounds like it won't work in reality.

Like all extremist parties, it would require a massive social shock to occur before even thinking of getting into power.

There's plenty of jobs around already, and yet there are still plenty of people who wont get jobs.

Asylum seekers do not recieve more money than a "hard working" family. Maybe they are happy living on the less money, but that is a tiny minority. Crewe, where I live, has had an oinflux of 6000 Polish people since they joined the EU, and the vast majority of them have jobs.

What job does your mother do that is so under paid?

My mum is a nurse at the local infirmary. She gets paid pittence to save and maintain life - When she comes home and I ask her how many people she had to resucitate it's a fraction of how many people abused, insulted or assaulted her and for what? Job satisfaction... no chance.

This is called satire.

Don't flatter yourself. It's a sarcastic attack on a straw man at best.

Erm, firstly, are you called Valdania?



Arrogance is generally derived from insecurity; I would guess that most BNP members must have some sort of dim awareness that they are, erm... how shall I put it, fucking stupid, so they might be expected to be a little defensive about that. I wouldn't describe the BNP as arrogant organisation though, there are far more approriate adjectives.



Secondly, I was highlighting the fact that Valdania is as arrogant the xenophobic/racist BNP. Btw, I'm a member and my girlfriend is black... who sees a problem there?


Good job on the 'highlighting', very incisive, and bonus points for using the classic racist's defence (some of my best friends are black, etc.....zzzzz)

My mum is a nurse at the local infirmary. She gets paid pittence to save and maintain life - When she comes home and I ask her how many people she had to resucitate it's a fraction of how many people abused, insulted or assaulted her and for what? Job satisfaction... no chance.

I see. How does this link into immigration? You were referring to it earlier. Plus if you're a Nurse, surely you should expect this sort of thing. Surely you join to help, not get paid loads?

Well firstly my mum is a nurse and yes she became a nurse to help but my point is that someone who designs a website or signs for a living may earn more money than someone like my mum. That strikes me as being a huge concern - no wonder our health service is so poor. It links into immigration because these immigrants arrive here with no money and so the government provides for them for doing absolutely nothing!

Valdania; i'm sure there are a number of articulate members of the BNP... care to tell me where Nick Griffin studied?
Typical racists response ie "my best friends are black"?! I'm not trying to prove i'm not racist i'm showing you that I support the BNP for other reasons quite obviously. You're going to have to start accepting that people like me and people who are not like me support the BNP and have their different reasons to do so.

As someone has said, what does immigration have to do with nurses (and other key jobs) being undervalued (which I agree is true)? That is a result of a society which doesnt want to pay the taxes required to pay to give a decent income for the workers who are imployed publically, and where money is the be all and end all of what measures success. And the fact that your mother unfortunately suffers abuse from others has little to do with immigration either. Unfortunately unpleasant, violent or drunk people need medical attention jus as often, if not more so, than nice pleasant polite people.

And as said "My best friends black/jewish/green with eyes on stalks" is one of the stock defense of a rascists who doesnt want to admit it, as is "I am not a rascist, but...".

Oh, and the reason that someone who supports the BNP must be in some degree xenophobic is because it's xenophobia is the only thing that really makes it stand out in any way (though this is changing as well, due to labour and tories taking increasingly xenophobic stances as well). If you want to have social policies you can vote labour, or other left wing parties. If you want social conservatism you can vote tories. All the BNP offers that is unique is its poorly veiled xenophobia.

Oh, and said, if you have seen Nick Griffin questioned by any decent interviewer he just collapses in a flailing heap of "I am not a rasicst, I just want to defend British culture!" arguments.

I think its hilarious.

Who decides where the cut off point for immigrants having to leave? Two generations back, five generations back before you are considered 'British' or even 'English'?

Maybe they can introduce some form of genetic testing to show how pure and clean you are from immigration? Wouldn't want any mixed blood polluting the population either now would we...

Well firstly my mum is a nurse and yes she became a nurse to help but my point is that someone who designs a website or signs for a living may earn more money than someone like my mum. That strikes me as being a huge concern - no wonder our health service is so poor. It links into immigration because these immigrants arrive here with no money and so the government provides for them for doing absolutely nothing!


Have you ever heard of the concept of market value? Web designers are a curious profession to compare with nurses but your 'it's not fair!' bleating is ridiculous. Salaries are defined by matters of supply and demand and re-numeration is something the market decides, not the politician.

The present government (which I'm sure you despise for it's rather moderate immigration policy) has actually tried to address this situation somewhat by investing many extra billions in health and education since 2001; a large chunk of this has gone on salary increases and very little has been tied to prerequisite and long-overdue reform. In addition, the NHS itself would collapse without its thousands of immgrant workers

Or perhaps you'd like to live in a controlled economy where all salaries are decided by the state? In that case, I suggest you leave Britain before 'these immigrants' because that will never be realised here. It seems that most economic migrants appear to have a better appreciation of the nature of modern Britain than you do; it would almost be ironic if it wasn't so sad.





Valdania; i'm sure there are a number of articulate members of the BNP... care to tell me where Nick Griffin studied?
Typical racists response ie "my best friends are black"?! I'm not trying to prove i'm not racist i'm showing you that I support the BNP for other reasons quite obviously. You're going to have to start accepting that people like me and people who are not like me support the BNP and have their different reasons to do so.


Articulate? You mean that their laughable principal spokespersons are the best people they have? Jesus, the rest must not even be able to speak in proper sentences.

I believe Nick Griffin got a mediocre Oxbridge degree. It doesn't follow that he is intelligent. Mark Collett went to the same university as me, at the same time, and yet he is a cretin and I am not. Hmmm, perhaps a college education isn't a particulaly reliable signifier of talent or intellgence?

Perhaps you would like to take your girlfriend to the next BNP conference? Better still, ask her if she wants to cheer Nick on at his next court date. Make sure she gets on telly too.

I appreciate that you are somewhat bitter about certain things but I suggest that instead of being duped by insidious and hateful rhetoric you wake up, and perhaps grow up at the same time.

Could I just ask for anybody who's thinking of joining the BNP's home address?

Maybe they can introduce some form of genetic testing to show how pure and clean you are from immigration?
I actually think that if a person can complete an old Celtic battle rite, become fluent in Anglo-Saxon, memorize all of Shakespeare's works, pledge some time to carrying the burden of "the white man", sink at least one Spanish ship, oppress someone, obtain the ability to understate without effort, visit Rome, and learn some horrible French while forgetting their native language (yes, even English) then they can be considered "British".

I actually think that if a person can complete an old Celtic battle rite, become fluent in Anglo-Saxon, memorize all of Shakespeare's works, pledge some time to carrying the burden of "the white man", sink at least one Spanish ship, oppress someone, obtain the ability to understate without effort, visit Rome, and learn some horrible French while forgetting their native language (yes, even English) then they can be considered "British".

Is that in a weekend course?

Okay so after reading some threads here on Islam and new religious conflicts I took a look at what the British National Party has to offer us should they come in to office. I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what they say but there are certain areas that worry me; the unwillingness to recognise the US as the world police and required ally essentially.

Does anyone else share sympathies with the BNP's manifesto or is it just me?

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Is that in a weekend course?
Yes. Kiosk in Picadilly Circle gots info brochures. Maybe even in Paddington Station, if I recall correctly.

It's not the things they write in their so called 'common sense' manifesto that's the worry - it's the things that they DON'T write, but that they clearly stand for.

Extremist parties like the BNP are at their most threatening when they do their best to appear to be mainstream, so that they then begin to attract those generally good (but perhaps a little naive) people who hold strong views.

If you're in any doubt as to the true intentions of Nick Griffin and his party of thugs, never forget that many of them have criminal records for racist crimes. Griffin himself is on trial again at the moment for the remarks he made in a BBC documentary, which I suggest you watch before you make your mind up about them being 'alright people'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/default.stm

Indeed, theres not much evidence they could run the country but it gives me hope knowing the support is (apparently) growing. Now i'm no racist but I can't stand and watch my country destroyed by multi-culturalism. Fair play to anyone who can come to England and get a job, learn the language, is economically active and lives by the law... everyone else should be stopped on the borders.


Well, I think multi-culturalism doesn't destroy a contry, just change it, but anyway, most of inmigrants are obeiying your conditions so....

Btw, I'm a member and my girlfriend is black... who sees a problem there?

The BNP does.

Our fundamental determination to secure a future for white children is restated, and an area of uncertainty is addressed and a position which is both principled and politically realistic is firmly established. We don't hate anyone, especially the mixed race children who are the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism, but that does not mean that we accept miscegenation as moral or normal. We do not and we never will.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/race_reality.htm

I actually think that if a person can complete an old Celtic battle rite, become fluent in Anglo-Saxon, memorize all of Shakespeare's works, pledge some time to carrying the burden of "the white man", sink at least one Spanish ship, oppress someone, obtain the ability to understate without effort, visit Rome, and learn some horrible French while forgetting their native language (yes, even English) then they can be considered "British".

Any fule knoes that the British Isles rightfully belong to the Beaker People, not you johnny-come-lately angles.

Erm, firstly, are you called Valdania?

Secondly, I was highlighting the fact that Valdania is as arrogant as the xenophobic/racist BNP. Btw, I'm a member and my girlfriend is black... who sees a problem there?

And do your skinhead mates know about this? Good blackshirts fuck other races, they don't go out with them. Before you leave your teens, you're going to have to do some pretty big re-evaluating...

In fact you sound a lot like Griffin's daughter in the BNP youth organisation, who was told by an interviewer how much asylum seekers get a week, started to say 'that's not very much' and then stopped herself.

Whether the skinheads get any power, whether 'legitimately' obtained or not, they remain viable targets for anyone who doesn't want to see a society based on hatred and fascistic despising of the weak.

It links into immigration because these immigrants arrive here with no money and so the government provides for them for doing absolutely nothing!

No rich country could stay being it without cheap workers, let this fact going into your mind. And they are more than "these immigrants", thay are people like you and me

Ah, the BNP. What amuses me is that plenty of the people who start shrieking and screaming whenever they get media air-time are the same people who advocate the abolition of FPTP for Westminster elections.
Do they not realise that this would certainly give the BNP parliamentary representation, and thus even more coverage than they have had before?

Ah, the BNP. What amuses me is that plenty of the people who start shrieking and screaming whenever they get media air-time are the same people who advocate the abolition of FPTP for Westminster elections.
Do they not realise that this would certainly give the BNP parliamentary representation, and thus even more coverage than they have had before?

Yes, FPTP is an affront to legitimate democracy by perpetuating the duopolous curruent system, yet we have no wish for these right wing extremists to gain power. The solution as I see it is much stronger controls on hate-mongering literature, which extends to racist headlines in the Sun and the Express as these are the real stokers of misinformation and racial tension, combined with a harsher crackdown on these fascist nutjobs masquerading as legitimate politicians and trading off stereotypes and xenophobia. Then we should get round to achieving some genuine social change and equality, and take away the reasons for the simmering discontent of the underclasses.

BTW, such a government would apply equally strict rules to the Islamic extremists that cloak the most conservative and reactionary social doctrines under 'holy' and anti-imperialist rhetoric.

Okay so after reading some threads here on Islam and new religious conflicts I took a look at what the British National Party has to offer us should they come in to office. I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what they say but there are certain areas that worry me; the unwillingness to recognise the US as the world police and required ally essentially.

Does anyone else share sympathies with the BNP's manifesto or is it just me?

So refusing to accept the worlds most corrupt country as a policeman and ally is unacceptable?

I'll smoke whatever you're smoking.

The US is too vain, in the way Bush is blatantly painting World Superpower all over it. No way. It's wold Villain. Japan is a world super power. Russia is still a super power.

The BNP basically tells us what is common knowledge. Socialism just dosn't work.
It's one of those middle of the road governments where noone knows what's happening and don't care.

We need a right wing government now. Let's hope UKIP< the BNP and the conservatives form a coalition permanently and sort this mess out.

We need a right wing government now. Let's hope UKIP< the BNP and the conservatives form a coalition permanently and sort this mess out.

USA, Australia, Canada and the entire middle east are right wing.

I hope all the right wingers get their wishes. Once all governmets are right wing it can only lead to war on almost any issue. After thats all done with the world will be able to look back in horror at right wing governments actions then the world can move on to bigger and better things.

USA, Australia, Canada and the entire middle east are right wing.

I hope all the right wingers get their wishes. Once all governmets are right wing it can only lead to war on almost any issue. After thats all done with the world will be able to look back in horror at right wing governments actions then the world can move on to bigger and better things.

Um yeah. Has anyone noticed how right-wing governments are more effective than left-wing governments.

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USA, Australia, Canada and the entire middle east are right wing.
Wow. Please, just stick with philosphy! :p

Um yeah. Has anyone noticed how right-wing governments are more effective than left-wing governments.

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effective=rich?

Define what you mean by effective. Nazi Germany was right wing and highly "effective", it brought Germany out of an economic slump and drastically expanded it borders, but personally I don't measure the overall worth of a government by such things.

How do you measure the effectiveness/success?

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effective=rich?

Define what you mean by effective. Nazi Germany was right wing and highly "effective", it brought Germany out of an economic slump and drastically expanded it borders, but personally I don't measure the overall worth of a government by such things.

How do you measure the effectiveness/success?

As an overall view. Nazi-Germany came out of the slump, but in effect ot leaded to a war. Bad.

Thatcher started a mining strike= Indifferent. She helped Britain Prosepr Economically= Great.

Basically I look at the basics and get a basic idea.

Wow. Please, just stick with philosphy! :p

Lol, I guess I was a bit harsh, what I was trying to say was that these governments have all trended rightwards recently, and that I define as more dogmatic, more nationalistic and generally more stubborn. These are not good for the state of world affairs, and I find that the only nations causing scary headlines tend to be these types. Yah yah, Venezuela is making headlines, but generally not scary ones.

The BNP basically tells us what is common knowledge. Socialism just dosn't work.
It's one of those middle of the road governments where noone knows what's happening and don't care.

We need a right wing government now. Let's hope UKIP< the BNP and the conservatives form a coalition permanently and sort this mess out.

Uh...have you even read the BNPs manifesto? Economically it's left of Labour.

Or did you just see the racist parts of it and say "Hey! I hate those fooooooooooooooooooooooooooking pakis too...and those bloody asylum seekers...not that i've ever met one. Since most loony left wingers believe in so called 'equality' among races, it MUST be right wing! Go BNP!"

You'd have loved South Africa under aparthied eh?

As an overall view. Nazi-Germany came out of the slump, but in effect ot leaded to a war. Bad.

Thatcher started a mining strike= Indifferent. She helped Britain Prosepr Economically= Great.

Basically I look at the basics and get a basic idea.

I can agree with that. I think the obvious reason why right wing governments are more effective in enacting many things is simply opportunity costs, the more socialy minded a country the more taxes, and the less it can do in other agendas. However, the more socially minded a nation is, the more globally minded it is; this makes it more cooperative. Its a dilemma, hard to get the perfect right-left mix.

Uh...have you even read the BNPs manifesto? Economically it's left of Labour.

Or did you just see the racist parts of it and say "Hey! I hate those fooooooooooooooooooooooooooking pakis too...and those bloody asylum seekers...not that i've ever met one. Since most loony left wingers believe in so called 'equality' among races, it MUST be right wing! Go BNP!"

You'd have loved South Africa under aparthied eh?

No. Blacks should be given rights. I'm just sick of Muslim domination. Why can't they just be like every other religion and not be ultra violent. Attention seekers.

I can agree with that. I think the obvious reason why right wing governments are more effective in enacting many things is simply opportunity costs, the more socialy minded a country the more taxes, and the less it can do in other agendas. However, the more socially minded a nation is, the more globally minded it is; this makes it more cooperative. Its a dilemma, hard to get the perfect right-left mix.

Follow Cameron? He might be flip flopping but at least he's not corrupted.

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Lol, I guess I was a bit harsh, what I was trying to say was that these governments have all trended rightwards recently, and that I define as more dogmatic, more nationalistic and generally more stubborn. These are not good for the state of world affairs, and I find that the only nations causing scary headlines tend to be these types. Yah yah, Venezuela is making headlines, but generally not scary ones.
US Americans recently veered right. But that happens every other election cycle. Dogmatic? Yeah. I like to think that one day, the Republicans will ban abortion. Only to eat their words as a new "save-a-baby boomers" generation grow up to overthrow them, seeing as to on the whole, liberals get more abortions. Rawr!

We're scary sometimes. Venezuela's got a lot of hot air. It'll turn around, except Canada. Give it a few decades. ;)

No. Blacks should be given rights. I'm just sick of Muslim domination. Why can't they just be like every other religion and not be ultra violent. Attention seekers.

They are like every other religion. It is merely a vocal minority that are violent - the overwhelming majority are peaceful people.

They are like every other religion. It is merely a vocal minority that are violent - the overwhelming majority are peaceful people.
But by ratio they are more violent than any other religion. Add up every other religions terrorist attacks this centrury so far, and compared by ratio to Muslims, it's 0.

No. Blacks should be given rights. I'm just sick of Muslim domination. Why can't they just be like every other religion and not be ultra violent. Attention seekers.

So - are you for real or are you one of those joke posters that pretend to be all ignorant to give everyone else a laugh?

Islam being the only violent religion indeed...that's a great one! Keep it up - you're hilarious!

So - are you for real or are you one of those joke posters that pretend to be all ignorant to give everyone else a laugh?

Islam being the only violent religion indeed...that's a great one! Keep it up - you're hilarious!

I didn't say islam is the only violent religion. It's just very violent. And I'm for real.

I didn't say islam is the only violent religion. It's just very violent. And I'm for real.

Again, no it isn't. A minority offshoot of Islam is, not the religion itself.

The BNP are racist and xenophobic neo-nazi scum. Thats is all. The day that Britain succums to their hatred, I will no longer consider myself British and move to New Zealand.

How very patriotic of you. You mean you wouldn’t stay and try to vote them out?

Anything right wing is good in government.

Anything left-wing is corrupted and self-destrcutive.

I class myself as the youngest ultra patriot in the UK. Anything British is the best thing in the world for me.

Follow Cameron? He might be flip flopping but at least he's not corrupted.

Pardon? Flip flop? Hmmm, I guess my final stance is that right wing nations, although more able to act on their agendas due to increased revenue from capitalistic practises, are more apt to be nationalistic and therefore threaten world peace (more often). Unless they are commies and want violent revolution of the proletariat in many countries. Damn it. Flip flop. I guess I'm a pancake here. I guess its better to just be a centrist and state that both extremes fuck others and in the end fuck themselves. Thats about as wise as I can wax on this. My earlier pissy post about right wing governments is mostly because now -in this decade- I see them as more of a threat than the communism of yesteryear is today.

How very patriotic of you. You mean you wouldn’t stay and try to vote them out?

Please don't question my patriotism. I would already have voted against them in such an election. However, considering that such an election could only take place in an extreme political and social situation, I believe that the BNP would eradicate and ban all other political groups, ala the Nazi's after '33. Thus remaining would be pointless; more could be done outside what is left of Britain.

Anything right wing is good in government.

Anything left-wing is corrupted and self-destrcutive.

I class myself as the youngest ultra patriot in the UK. Anything British is the best thing in the world for me.
I'm pretty much with you there but, …….anything? :p

Anything right wing is good in government.

Anything left-wing is corrupted and self-destrcutive.

I class myself as the youngest ultra patriot in the UK. Anything British is the best thing in the world for me.

Aye! Black pudding, permenantly purple noses and uncircumcised weiners for all!

But by ratio they are more violent than any other religion. Add up every other religions terrorist attacks this centrury so far, and compared by ratio to Muslims, it's 0.

Jesus, with scientific methods like that, you should be a sociologist. Give me some data on that then. What do we count as an attack by a religion? Hindu Tamils attacking Buddhist Sinhalese? Protestant Irish and Catholic Irish fighting? Christian fascist survivalists attacking Christian US government? The Sikh bodyguards who killed the Hindu prime minister of India? And how exactly do you get a ratio of 0 when the numerator is more than 1, no matter how high the denominator?

They call fascism an intellectually bankrupt ideology, ladies and gentlemen, and here you see why.

Sorry to sound like a smartass, but it's impossible not to when faced by such facile arguments...

Anything right wing is good in government.

Anything left-wing is corrupted and self-destrcutive.

I class myself as the youngest ultra patriot in the UK. Anything British is the best thing in the world for me.

Bet you don't drive a Rover though.

Bet you don't drive a Rover though.

I'm too young to drive. I'm only 13.

Anything right wing is good in government.

Anything left-wing is corrupted and self-destrcutive.

I class myself as the youngest ultra patriot in the UK. Anything British is the best thing in the world for me.

:rolleyes: staggering indictment of the education system in Britain, that is if he's older than 10...
examples would just be a waste of memory...

13?? time you discovered girls and stop playing with fascism... fascists never get laid

:rolleyes: staggering indictment of the education system in Britain, that is if he's older than 10...
examples would just be a waste of memory...

13?? time you discovered girls and stop playing with fascism... fascists never get laid

Look above:rolleyes:

I'm not bothered about sex, Fascism is ok for me, and who bothers about getting laid? It just seems a waste of time.

Look above:rolleyes:

I'm not bothered about sex, Fascism is ok for me, and who bothers about getting laid? It just seems a waste of time.

How can you not be bothered if you've never tried? You might want to try, lots of people seem to enjoy it.

You're a bit young though.

Please don't question my patriotism. I would already have voted against them in such an election. However, considering that such an election could only take place in an extreme political and social situation, I believe that the BNP would eradicate and ban all other political groups, ala the Nazi's after '33. Thus remaining would be pointless; more could be done outside what is left of Britain.
[Continues to question said patriotism] For instance ? If I had voted against labour for the past 3 terms and they still remain in power how do you think my moving out of the country would make any difference?

Don't sympathize at all. They have a rep for being anti- semetic and racist S.O.B.s

you people have to be shitting me...

debating the common sense appeal of fascism? Those immigrants don't deserve a fair chance at a better life, do they? Now, I'm American so we don't have as many Muslim immigrants coming in, but I think the situation with Latino immigrants is fairly analogous. These people leave their countries because they don't have hope for their own futures or their children's futures. Ideally no one would have to go so far from their homes to have a shot at a decent life (well... that's simplifying the ideal situation but that's all that's really relevant to this question), but since the world isn't ideal (yet), their choices are basically try their hand at making a better life in the UK or the US, or if they are Latino, perhaps they could give revolution a shot.

First of all, don't call the UK a socialist nation. If you knew what socialism was, you wouldn't apply that label to the United Kingdom.

Second, left wing governments don't work well because the farther left you go on the economic scale, the less government there is supposed to be. If you've read Marx and Engles you know that socialism and communism are opposed to the state and require the destruction of it to function successfully.

Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher's policies were fantastic, just ask the Scots and the Irish. Gotta love Reaganomics, making the rich richer really does help everyone.

:rolleyes: staggering indictment of the education system in Britain, that is if he's older than 10...
examples would just be a waste of memory...

13?? time you discovered girls and stop playing with fascism... fascists never get laid

BWAHAHAHAA

Clever enough for 13, but still.. 13.
Best not to use terms like "always, never, all, anything, etc" when making an argument. Anyhow, of all nations outside of the former axis, the UK and its people should be the most vary of nationalism. You have already been the biggest imperial power there ever was, your a very experienced country that should be preaching to the world about the lessons its learned, not returning to its old ways like a dog to its vomit.

They should all be shot. Bastards, bastards, bastards. Did you not see that BBC undercover documentary?

"I want to go into a mosque with a bazooka and kill all those fucking ragheads"

Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher's policies were fantastic, just ask the Scots and the Irish. Gotta love Reaganomics, making the rich richer really does help everyone.
Yeah, and gutting communities to feed the Essex 'richer that yao' brigade, and bribing the council tenants with a windfall while letting the social housing stock wither and decay... atomising society so their children grew up to be crackheads, oh the great legacy of Thatcher

[Continues to question said patriotism] For instance ? If I had voted against labour for the past 3 terms and they still remain in power how do you think my moving out of the country would make any difference?

Labour hasn't tried to forcefully out refugees and entire generations of refugees, as well as anyone who does not have pure white blood and ancestry. Labour doesn't believe in the superiority of the white race over any others and tries to ensure their dominance through violent and xenophobic means. Labour has not tried to shut down the British political system to stay in power, something the BNP would surely do once having attained power. I also never said my moving would make a difference, apart from make me feel better.

Oh yeah, Margaret Thatcher's policies were fantastic, just ask the Scots and the Irish. Gotta love Reaganomics, making the rich richer really does help everyone.

How was Maggie bad for Ireland? She let terrorists starve themselves to death.

Is that a bad thing?

They should all be shot. Bastards, bastards, bastards. Did you not see that BBC undercover documentary?

"I want to go into a mosque with a bazooka and kill all those fucking ragheads"

Yah its pure genius to go INTO a building and fire a bazooka. Lucky your not legally alowed even a plastic pellet gun

Welcome back Questers. At last.

How can you not be bothered if you've never tried? You might want to try, lots of people seem to enjoy it.

You're a bit young though.

Erm right. I'm not bothered to try it yet. And I'm waiting to find someone special. I know. Sound a bit romantic. But it's there anyway.

And I know I'm too young, but teenage pregnancy is on the rise, so...:rolleyes:

But by ratio they are more violent than any other religion. Add up every other religions terrorist attacks this centrury so far, and compared by ratio to Muslims, it's 0.

Nonsense. I think you'd find that if we limited it to the UK that the Christians would come far out ahead.

Bet you don't drive a Rover though.
He won't get a chance to drive a rover since those unpatriotic amongst us failed to support it and chose foreign makes thus bringing about it's demise.

Nonsense. I think you'd find that if we limited it to the UK that the Christians would come far out ahead.
Worldwide is a wrod that comes to mind.

How was Maggie bad for Ireland?

Prolonging the already stagnant stalemate by introducing more and more ludicrous legislation in a futile attempt to break the Republican movement. Try and convince me that the censorship of Sinn Fein was a wise political move which didn't backfire horribly and make Westminster look utterly insane, would you?

They should all be shot. Bastards, bastards, bastards. Did you not see that BBC undercover documentary?

"I want to go into a mosque with a bazooka and kill all those fucking ragheads"

I hate the BNP scumbags just as much as you do Hoggy, but that's playing right into their hands and going down to their level. Just continue to show how ridiculous their policies are and their racism is, and they'll continue to be ignored by the public.

He won't get a chance to drive a rover since those unpatriotic amongst us failed to support it and chose foreign makes thus bringing about it's demise.

True true, and this Labour government allowed Britian's last volume car maker to go under.

But Birmingham still votes Labour. When will they learn...

Fair enough Skinny mate, but its easy to say that from a white English point of view. You know I'm Asian (I think) and I have taken flak for it in the past. It's impossible to understand how much hatred stems from racism unless you are a direct victim of it. If I had a gun pointed to Nick Griffiths head (and would not get charged for murder or anything) I would pull the trigger without thinking a second thought.

When they stop askinf for a cup of tea by asking for a "Kipper tie"

Anything British is the best thing in the world for me.

British rapists: best in the world.
British paedophiles: best in the world.
British BSE: best in the world.

How was Maggie bad for Ireland? She let terrorists starve themselves to death.

Is that a bad thing?
I'll say one thing for Blair, instead of mindlessly trading blows with the IRA, he's made steps to bring a peace to the area and stop the bombing, because he wasn't beholden to the right-wing stupid intransigence in the face of reality. Had Thatcher stayed on or the Tories kept winning, we'd still be getting bombed now, the communities would be even more divided and the killing would've gone on. If you ask me, it's a shame the IRA missed on that fateful night in Brighton...

Prolonging the already stagnant stalemate by introducing more and more ludicrous legislation in a futile attempt to break the Republican movement. Try and convince me that the censorship of Sinn Fein was a wise political move which didn't backfire horribly and make Westminster look utterly insane, would you?

I personally think that the government has been far too lenient with Republican terrorists, and allowing them into government is a step in the wrong direction.

Northern Ireland is like Czechoslovakia circa 1938. Have we not learnt the lessons of appeasement yet?

If I had a gun pointed to Nick Griffiths head (and would not get charged for murder or anything) I would pull the trigger without thinking a second thought.
Second that, I'm mixed race and have faced quite little racism but I think the world needs less of scum like him

I'll say one thing for Blair, instead of mindlessly trading blows with the IRA, he's made steps to bring a peace to the area and stop the bombing, because he wasn't beholden to the right-wing stupid intransigence in the face of reality. Had Thatcher stayed on or the Tories kept winning, we'd still be getting bombed now, the communities would be even more divided and the killing would've gone on. If you ask me, it's a shame the IRA missed on that fateful night in Brighton...

So you're a fan of irredentist terrorist groups then?

True true, and this Labour government allowed Britian's last volume car maker to go under.

But Birmingham still votes Labour. When will they learn...


It's not the government's responsibility to rescue private businesses that can't compete in the global marketplace.

British rapists: best in the world.
British paedophiles: best in the world.
British BSE: best in the world.

Ok, edit. Anything British that dosn't damage our reputation, like labour, lib dems, paedos, no immigration protocol, george bush, george galloway, rapists.

BSE started in France.

British rapists: best in the world.
British paedophiles: best in the world.
British BSE: best in the world.
BAE Systems: Best in the world.
British Fish and Chips: Best in the world.
British Democratic System: Best in the world.

I'll say one thing for Blair, instead of mindlessly trading blows with the IRA, he's made steps to bring a peace to the area and stop the bombing, because he wasn't beholden to the right-wing stupid intransigence in the face of reality. Had Thatcher stayed on or the Tories kept winning, we'd still be getting bombed now, the communities would be even more divided and the killing would've gone on. If you ask me, it's a shame the IRA missed on that fateful night in Brighton...


watch it, you might get arrested now for 'glorifying terrorism' ;)

How was Maggie bad for Ireland? She let terrorists starve themselves to death.

Is that a bad thing?

Letting political prisoners starve to death is. Well, actually holding political prisoners at all is a bad thing.

How much shit do you think George W. Bush would get if he started letting prisoners starve in Guantanamo Bay?

Those prisoners in Ireland were deprived of their human rights. Ever heard of internment? You know, the policy were Irish Republicans suspected of involvement in armed struggle were jailed without trial.

It's not the government's responsibility to rescue private businesses that can't compete in the global marketplace.

The government does however have a responsibility to maintain a balanced UK economy, which includes manufacturing. Making public sector bodies and the police buy Rovers would have given them a useful revenue stream, and allowed them to develop new models.

So you're a fan of irredentist terrorist groups then?
No, I back that move on the basis of its outcomes. I seriously disapprove of many of the IRA's actions, including *everything* against civilian targets, but the Brighton bombing was an attempt at political assassination of a regime this world would've been better off without. As for the IRA's aims, I sympathise with the original mission of protecting Catholics from prejudice, but certainly not irredentist goals of sending the Protestants anywhere, not that they have this goals anymore. A solution first needs to focus on raising living standards on both sides and chipping away at the self-destructive pattern of ethnic/religious identification.

Northern Ireland is like Czechoslovakia circa 1938. Have we not learnt the lessons of appeasement yet?

Explain to me how this parallel works would you. I just can't see it.

Ok, edit. Anything British that dosn't damage our reputation, like labour, lib dems, paedos, no immigration protocol, george bush, george galloway, rapists.

BSE started in France.

George Bush is British?
BSE started in Canada or Australia I believe
The British political system is actually democratic, not a fascist oppressive one - thus Labour and Lib Dems are good, even if I personally don't like them
Galloway is an extremist idiot, but he still has a right to say what he does - just as it is the publics right to ignore it.

Letting political prisoners starve to death is. Well, actually holding political prisoners at all is a bad thing.

How much shit do you think George W. Bush would get if he started letting prisoners starve in Guantanamo Bay?

Those prisoners in Ireland were deprived of their human rights. Ever heard of internment? You know, the policy were Irish Republicans suspected of involvement in armed struggle were jailed without trial.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom. A terrorist group is trying to cause Northern Ireland to secede from the Union by murdering those who support it.

Why shouldn't we use every available measure to stop them?

Labour hasn't tried to forcefully out refugees and entire generations of refugees, as well as anyone who does not have pure white blood and ancestry. Labour doesn't believe in the superiority of the white race over any others and tries to ensure their dominance through violent and xenophobic means. Labour has not tried to shut down the British political system to stay in power, something the BNP would surely do once having attained power. I also never said my moving would make a difference, apart from make me feel better.
Did anyone say labour had? Did anyone say the BNP had?
You said you would be better placed to fight the BNP by moving to New Zealand. Now you are saying it wouldn't make a difference though. What would be the point ?
Anyway, as long as your moving out makes you feel better.

George Bush is British?
BSE started in Canada or Australia I believe
The British political system is actually democratic, not a fascist oppressive one - thus Labour and Lib Dems are good, even if I personally don't like them
Galloway is an extremist idiot, but he still has a right to say what he does - just as it is the publics right to ignore it.

Geog Bush is british in my view, in two ways.

1) Non-publicly announced wedding to Tony Bliar, giving him citizenshhip rights.

2) America was a British colony and so forth...

I'll say one thing for Blair, instead of mindlessly trading blows with the IRA, he's made steps to bring a peace to the area and stop the bombing, because he wasn't beholden to the right-wing stupid intransigence in the face of reality. Had Thatcher stayed on or the Tories kept winning, we'd still be getting bombed now, the communities would be even more divided and the killing would've gone on. If you ask me, it's a shame the IRA missed on that fateful night in Brighton...

Let us not forget Major here - it was he who signalled the change from fighting to negotiation.

Explain to me how this parallel works would you. I just can't see it.

Don't you understand?

The Irish Panzers are mobilising even as we speak! We must send over our Foreign Minister and ensure we get a piece of paper signed to say we are at peace, then wave it about to show there's no problem.

Remember: The Irish are coming!

British Democratic System: Best in the world.
Wouldn't go that far... http://www.makemyvotecount.org (http://www.makevotescount.org)

Geog Bush is british in my view, in two ways.

1) Non-publicly announced wedding to Tony Bliar, giving him citizenshhip rights.

2) America was a British colony and so forth...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
what can you actually say to this??

you do know his politics make you his kind of bitch?

Explain to me how this parallel works would you. I just can't see it.

It's quite simple really. Both Northern Ireland and Czechoslovakia have (had) a large minority within their borders that wanted to be annexed to a neighbouring country. However, the majority desires the status quo.

In 1938, the will of the majority was ignored and large parts of Czechoslovakia were annexed to Germany, leaving the remainder economically unviable and indefensible. The only difference know is that Sinn Fein wouldn't be happy with Fermanagh and Tytone: they will only cease their campaign when all Ireland is ruled from Dublin, despite a clear majority being opposed in NI.

Don't you understand?

The Irish Panzers are mobilising even as we speak! We must send over our Foreign Minister and ensure we get a piece of paper signed to say we are at peace, then wave it about to show there's no problem.

Remember: The Irish are coming!

We're officially at cease fire with the IRA. And because we've got labour that explains why hidden weapons caches are still being found and donated to the Irish cause.

Galloway is an extremist

One of the funniest things Ive heard in a while

Wouldn't go that far... http://www.makemyvotecount.org (http://www.makevotescount.org)

That's the great thing about the British system: it sets constraints on democracy that in the long run help to protect it.

George Bush is British?
BSE started in Canada or Australia I believe
The British political system is actually democratic, not a fascist oppressive one - thus Labour and Lib Dems are good, even if I personally don't like them
Galloway is an extremist idiot, but he still has a right to say what he does - just as it is the publics right to ignore it.

He never said Bush is British.
Canada or Australia ? Well which one?
"he still has a right to say what he does" - The point, he has the right.

Has anyone noticed how this argument is shifting away from the BNP? Maybe their should be a new thread...

The only difference know is that Sinn Fein wouldn't be happy with Fermanagh and Tytone: they will only cease their campaign when all Ireland is ruled from Dublin, despite a clear majority being opposed in NI.

Ignoring the fact that the mainstream Republican groups have already ceased their miltary campaign, and are working via democratic processes to acheive what they desire, are we?

And because we've got labour that explains why hidden weapons caches are still being found and donated to the Irish cause.

Are you now saying that weapons dumps are being discovered and then handed over to the IRA?

I believe the IRA has publicly given up all attacks, but still has a underground movement going.

Ignoring the fact that the mainstream Republican groups have already ceased their miltary campaign, and are working via democratic processes to acheive what they desire, are we?

What's the point in working democratically when NI will never vote to join the Republic? Even when Catholics outbreed Protestants, a substantial Catholic minority (around 20%) would still prefer union with Britain. Therefore, a United Ireland in the forseeable future is impossible, if democracy is adhered to.

That's why Sinn Fein will never give up their weapons!

Letting political prisoners starve to death is. Well, actually holding political prisoners at all is a bad thing.

How much shit do you think George W. Bush would get if he started letting prisoners starve in Guantanamo Bay?

Those prisoners in Ireland were deprived of their human rights. Ever heard of internment? You know, the policy were Irish Republicans suspected of involvement in armed struggle were jailed without trial.

The prisoners at Gitmo WANT to starve to death, they are being force fed. Personally, I think if someone as a statement wants to go on a hunger strike its their perogative, and they should be allowed. Could you imagine if Gandi had been force fed?

The prisoners at Gitmo WANT to starve to death, they are being force fed. Personally, I think if someone as a statement wants to go on a hunger strike its their perogative, and they should be allowed. Could you imagine if Gandi had been force fed?

Only if it was pork or beef.

What's the point in working democratically when NI will never vote to join the Republic? Even when Catholics outbreed Protestants, a substantial Catholic minority (around 20%) would still prefer union with Britain. Therefore, a United Ireland in the forseeable future is impossible, if democracy is adhered to.

Do those of Protestant stock have no free will? News to me.

Only if it was pork or beef.

Gandi was neither Muslim nor Hindu, he was Jain and would have taken issue at being fed any meat.

I believe the IRA has publicly given up all attacks, but still has a underground movement going.

Yes, they still exist as a movement, but so too do the Loyalist paramilitary groups.

What's the point in working democratically when NI will never vote to join the Republic? Even when Catholics outbreed Protestants, a substantial Catholic minority (around 20%) would still prefer union with Britain. Therefore, a United Ireland in the forseeable future is impossible, if democracy is adhered to.

That's why Sinn Fein will never give up their weapons!

What's the point in working democratically in NI when there'll never be a substantial enough majority of people in favour of joining the Republic? What's the point in having the Lib Dems if they're never going to be voted into power? Because maybe someday they will, and it's their right, if they want to. Anyway, would you prefer violence?

Gandi was neither Muslim nor Hindu, he was Jain and would have taken issue at being fed any meat.

My mistake. I believed he was either one.

But still, couldn't we have let him starve to death, then when he died slit his neck, put a knife in his hand and claim it was suicide?

Do those of Protestant stock have no free will? News to me.

You know as well as I do that a massive majority of unionists support remaining in the union. When the nationalists are led by such unionist-haters as Adams and McGuinness, it's no surprise really!

Then again it cuts both ways, there's bad blood on both sides.

What's the point in working democratically in NI when there'll never be a substantial enough majority of people in favour of joining the Republic? What's the point in having the Lib Dems if they're never going to be voted into power? Because maybe someday they will, and it's their right, if they want to. Anyway, would you prefer violence?

I'm completely in favour of them putting up candidates at elections, but the refusal of many to accept the (democratically supported) status quo is why I don't think they should be consulted at every turn.

Guns for all u.k home owners to protect there property.
Why not.
There is too much prejiduce against the bnp.
Also how come I can not say I am proud to the colour of my skin without being called a racist:( .
This is what I find depressing:confused: .

Guns for all u.k home owners to protect there property.
Why not.
There is too much prejiduce against the bnp.
Also how come I can not say I am proud to the colour of my skin without being called a racist:( .
This is what I find depressing:confused: .

Not depressing but infuriating.

Message to the british government :upyours:

Guns for all u.k home owners to protect there property.
Why not.
There is too much prejiduce against the bnp.
Also how come I can not say I am proud to the colour of my skin without being called a racist:( .
This is what I find depressing:confused: .

Why be proud of being white? It's not like you get to choose...

I'm completely in favour of them putting up candidates at elections, but the refusal of many to accept the (democratically supported) status quo is why I don't think they should be consulted at every turn.

But every opposition party is technically "refusing to accept the (democratically supported) status quo", that's the point of an opposition party, to offer the other choice.

"There is too much prejiduce against the bnp."

hahahaha, and they say the Americans don't 'get' irony :D :D

The BNP is a minority, so why isn't the government protecting them?

Because they're white, hardworking decent people who have a knife in the back of labour.

The BNP is a minority, so why isn't the government protecting them?

Because they're white, hardworking decent people who have a knife in the back of labour.

They're lying racists, that's why

The BNP is a minority, so why isn't the government protecting them?

Because they're white, hardworking decent people who have a knife in the back of labour.

They're racists and xenophobics who want to throw out anyone who isn't pure white and believe in the supremacism of the white race over all overs. They are a minority, and god help us if they ever become anything more than that.

Or god help them, if they're is one.

I'm guessing you're mainly Daily Mail readers?

But every opposition party is technically "refusing to accept the (democratically supported) status quo", that's the point of an opposition party, to offer the other choice.

The difference is that they insist on being in government, despite being in a minority.

Daily Mail? Um, what? :D

I'm completely in favour of them putting up candidates at elections, but the refusal of many to accept the (democratically supported) status quo is why I don't think they should be consulted at every turn.

Consultation is important because they represent the interests and have the mandate of a volatile grassroots. Riding roughshod over the elected representatives may seem like a good idea, but is likely to lead to reaping the whirlwind as their disenfranchised electorate take matters into their own hands.

It should also be pointed out that it is not solely the Republican movement that are involved in consultation: the Unionists and independents are there too.

Of course, with direct rule having been imposed again this is all somewhat moot at present.

Daily Mail? Um, what? :D
british Newspaper. Full of shite.

Google (http://www.google.com) is very useful you know.

british Newspaper. Full of shite.

Google (http://www.google.com) is very useful you know.

I'm aware of what it is son, don't get smartarse with me. The Daily Mail is probably one of the newspapers closest to the BNP politically

Consultation is important because they represent the interests and have the mandate of a volatile grassroots. Riding roughshod over the elected representatives may seem like a good idea, but is likely to lead to reaping the whirlwind as their disenfranchised electorate take matters into their own hands.

It should also be pointed out that it is not solely the Republican movement that are involved in consultation: the Unionists and independents are there too.

Of course, with direct rule having been imposed again this is all somewhat moot at present.

Perhaps direct rule (although the least democratic and "fair" option) is the only viable solution for Northern Ireland, as it takes the matter out of the hands of those who are limited by sectarian divides.

Either that or let the Alliance Party run things.

The Daily Mail is probably one of the newspapers closest to the BNP politically

Hardly, it condemned the publishing of the Danish cartoons and urged support for moderate Muslims.

Not very BNP!

I'm aware of what it is son, don't get smartarse with me. The Daily Mail is probably one of the newspapers closest to the BNP politically

I'm not a smartarse. Just very knowledgeable. Besides, have you ever read the Daily Mirror?

And the Award for the most full of shite left wing newspaper goes to... [Dramatic Pause] the Daily Mirror!

Hardly, it condemned the publishing of the Danish cartoons and urged support for moderate Muslims.

Not very BNP!

There's no BNP-supporting paper as such so none really qualify. However, relatively speaking the Mail is hysterical and xenophobic which puts it amongst the cloests

I'm not a smartarse. Just very knowledgeable.

Ahem.

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Got it in one.

Okay so after reading some threads here on Islam and new religious conflicts I took a look at what the British National Party has to offer us should they come in to office. I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what they say but there are certain areas that worry me; the unwillingness to recognise the US as the world police and required ally essentially.

Does anyone else share sympathies with the BNP's manifesto or is it just me?

Required ally? Not nessecarily. World police? Definetly not; a terrible assumption to make given how much trouble that notions got us into

The BNP tend to attract a rough element and be as subtle as bricks, but were they ever elected, I'd accept it; democracy is important, even if we don't agree with them, we should at least respect them.

That and I'm somewhat hardline when it comes to immigration; most illegal immigrants deserve to be shunted back to whatever hell-hole they came from; and immigrants as a whole have to be seriously vetted; lest they bite the hand that feeds and blow us up after leeching...

There's no BNP-supporting paper as such so none really qualify. However, relatively speaking the Mail is hysterical and xenophobic which puts it amongst the cloests

Heh, I remember a quote by Ian Hislop on Have I Got News For You a few years ago:

"The Daily Mail could make Yoghurt seem dangerous"

I'm not a smartarse. Just very knowledgeable.

Apologies for being so blunt, but unless you are pretending to be an idiot, this is not correct.

Got it in one.
Some clever trap or are you just being fluffy with me? :fluffle:
I know fluffier things than you! :fluffle: I have corrections! :fluffle:

Some clever trap or are you just being fluffy with me? :fluffle:
I know fluffier things than you! :fluffle: I have corrections! :fluffle:

And you're surprised that this guy supports the BNP?

Required ally? Not nessecarily. World police? Definetly not; a terrible assumption to make given how much trouble that notions got us into

The BNP tend to attract a rough element and be as subtle as bricks, but were they ever elected, I'd accept it; democracy is important, even if we don't agree with them, we should at least respect them.

That and I'm somewhat hardline when it comes to immigration; most illegal immigrants deserve to be shunted back to whatever hell-hole they came from; and immigrants as a whole have to be seriously vetted; lest they bite the hand that feeds and blow us up after leeching...

Ummm, most immigrants are peaceful people who just want to live in peace. Only a few advocate violence and suicide bombing - they are in the minority.

And you're surprised that this guy supports the BNP?

Support them: Not yet.

If things in Britain get worse: Probably shirt to the right

Support now: Conservatives

Age: 13

Likes: :fluffle: Fluffiness :fluffle:

Perhaps direct rule (although the least democratic and "fair" option) is the only viable solution for Northern Ireland, as it takes the matter out of the hands of those who are limited by sectarian divides.

Either that or let the Alliance Party run things.

Haha, it's tragic, but you're probably right, when the two sides are so vehemently opposed to each other, it's hard to trust them with power. Then again, I don't think direct rule can last forever, I think it's better that the two sides sit down sooner rather than later, and try to hammer out their differences into a workable system.

Haha, it's tragic, but you're probably right, when the two sides are so vehemently opposed to each other, it's hard to trust them with power. Then again, I don't think direct rule can last forever, I think it's better that the two sides sit down sooner rather than later, and try to hammer out their differences into a workable system.

Amen Brother. Can i get an oogie boogie pink donut?

Heh, I remember a quote by Ian Hislop on Have I Got News For You a few years ago:

"The Daily Mail could make Yoghurt seem dangerous"

I think that was Jeremy Clarkson on Have I got news for you.

(ARGH!!!sorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorry, i don't mean to be so finicky, but I can't help it, it's just how I am :headbang: )

Support them: Not yet.

If things in Britain get worse: Probably shirt to the right

Support now: Conservatives

Age: 13

Likes: :fluffle: Fluffiness :fluffle:

Haha, you'll learn when you get older son. What makes you think the country is getting worse? Are immigrants a problem?

I think that was Jeremy Clarkson on Have I got news for you.

(ARGH!!!sorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorry, i don't mean to be so finicky, but I can't help it, it's just how I am :headbang: )

It was Clarky to be honest. And don't be sorry, everyone's a pefectionist, except me. I'm just somewhere inbetween the two intremes.

Heh, I remember a quote by Ian Hislop on Have I Got News For You a few years ago:

"The Daily Mail could make Yoghurt seem dangerous"

I liked Marcus Brigstocke's tip for spotting Daily Mail readers - that they often begin sentences with, "Well the thing that really scares me is..."

"... our schools are absolutely chock-full of pedophiles."

"... in a few years we shall all be speaking Muslim."

"... one can't even walk the streets anymore without fear of being buggered senseless by a homosexual asylum-seeker."

I think that was Jeremy Clarkson on Have I got news for you.

(ARGH!!!sorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorrysorry, i don't mean to be so finicky, but I can't help it, it's just how I am :headbang: )

You're right, I yield. I remember now. God, my head is so stuffed full of cold and flu I can't think straight half the time. No apologies needed.

Haha, you'll learn when you get older son. What makes you think the country is getting worse? Are immigrants a problem?
Yes.

I liked Marcus Brigstocke's tip for spotting Daily Mail readers - that they often begin sentences with, "Well the thing that really scares me is..."

"... our schools are absolutely chock-full of pedophiles."

"... in a few years we shall all be speaking Muslim."

"... one can't even walk the streets anymore without fear of being buggered senseless by a homosexual asylum-seeker."

Heh. I used to read the Mail until I was about 14/15 and realised how xenophobic and racist it was. Then I started reading anything - although now at Uni I mainly read the Independent - they give away free chocolate with it sometimes...

Yes.

How so? explain por favor :)

I liked Marcus Brigstocke's tip for spotting Daily Mail readers - that they often begin sentences with, "Well the thing that really scares me is..."

"... our schools are absolutely chock-full of pedophiles."

"... in a few years we shall all be speaking Muslim."

"... one can't even walk the streets anymore without fear of being buggered senseless by a homosexual asylum-seeker."

I really don't see why Mail readers are so hated by the chattering classes: why no same hatred for other members of the gutter press?

How so? explain por favor :)

Health tourism.
Welfare cheats.
Bird Flu.
Hordes.
More immigrants every day.
No more room.

Health tourism.
Welfare cheats.
Bird Flu.
Ugly.
Hordes.
More immigrants every day.
No more room.

oh dear

Health tourism.
Welfare cheats.
Bird Flu.
Ugly.
Hordes.
More immigrants every day.
No more room.

A minority of people do Health Tourism - Minority

Welfare Cheating is done by a Minority of Immigrants - Minority

Bird Flu - You don't get Bird Flu from immigrants, for christssake

What? That is not a goddamn reason

Again, what? There are lots of them because Britain seems like a paradise to them

Again - so what?

I don't seem to be squashed up in a room with immigrants, so nope, still lots of room.

Health tourism.
Welfare cheats.
Bird Flu.
Ugly.
Hordes.
More immigrants every day.
No more room.

1 not really a major problem, certainly not one where it would be worthwhile changing parties over it.
2 Is this where the racism/xenophobia comes in, just as many british born whites do this
3 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I've just picked myself off the floor laughing, and YOU were asking if I read the daily mail? :D :D :D :D That is truly priceless
4 Racist
5 Evidence? About 5% of the total population is an ethnic minority
6 so?
7 Evidence suggests we actually need more immigrants to compensate for our ageing population.

Ahh, the BNP.

Let's look at their website.

First thing I saw (this was before their latest bit done in attention-whore red font about the evils of multiculturalism):

# Feeling despondent or depressed, perhaps bewildered by daily events?
# Feeling angry about news the newspapers and television stations are reporting?
# Feeling ignored, abandoned and forgotten by Blair's regime?
# Feeling ripped off by the Big Brother Government and the corporate giants?
# Feeling exploited, over taxed but unrepresented on your local council or in parliament?

So right away, we see who the BNP appeals to: People who are despondent, bewildered, angry, ignored, etc etc. People who are not necessarily ripped off or exploited... but they "feel" ripped off and exploited.

Appeal to emotion. Not reason. Note the "Big Brother Government" designed to help you reach their desired emotion (fear).

The rest is just salad dressing.

Britain First, "Good Fences, Good Neighbors," evils of "globalism", all based around the central concept: fear. Be afraid. Act on your fear, anger, etc.

It's pretty absurd when your basic manifesto could be summed up in Emperor Palpatine's speech to Luke Skywalker in fuckin Star Wars: Return of the Jedi.

Health tourism. - Minority
Welfare cheats. - Right, and none of them are British people?
Bird Flu. - You don't get bird flu from immigrants for christ sakes.
Ugly. - We still let you live in this country.
Hordes. - Not really.
More immigrants every day. - More doctors, nurses, teachers, other jobs than help society, ever day
No more room. - There's plenty

Well, instead of the invaders, we can just stop selling condoms!#

Oh, and what's so funny about bird flu? If they're bringing in bird flu it could mutate to the H1N4 strain and start a regime of mass death.

Well, instead of the invaders, we can just stop selling condoms!#

Oh, and what's so funny about bird flu? If they're bringing in bird flu it could mutate to the H1N4 strain and start a regime of mass death.

What? Ridiculous. Anyone can bring in that strain of bird flu, not just immigrants.

I'm still laughing at bird flu :D

Well, instead of the invaders, we can just stop selling condoms!#

Oh, and what's so funny about bird flu? If they're bringing in bird flu it could mutate to the H1N4 strain and start a regime of mass death.

The thing is, they're not bringing bird flu in. If we're going to get it, we're going to get it, immigrants regardless.

Health tourism.
Welfare cheats.
Bird Flu.
Ugly.
Hordes.
More immigrants every day.
No more room.

Ugly?? I can only assume that was a joke.

I'm not sure how the situation is in England, but in Ireland the agriculture industry would collapse without immigrant labour, because there simply aren't enough Irish who are able, or willing to do the work. Immigrants are an essential part of society, like it or not.

ps. you're right, health tourism and welfare cheats are bad, but I don't think that applies to the majority of immigrant workers, who are there to provide for their familys, which is nigh impossible in their own countries.

I'm still hoping the next immigrant you meet passes the H1N4 strain onto you:D

Are you actually going to back up your arguments? Or present any actual reasonable ones?

Does BNP stand for Blameless Nipple Policemen?

I'm still hoping the next immigrant you meet passes the H1N4 strain onto you:D

I'm still hoping you fall into quicksand:D

Does BNP stand for Blameless Nipple Policemen?

British Nazi Party, in my opinion.

Well if it provides intelligible conversation then.... keep hoping.

While immigration has undoubted economic benefits, I think we need to consider the other effects. Mass immigration has creted communities which are almost completely excluded from the mainstream. It is in these communities that extremism can breed, as isolation from the mainstream creates resentment.

What about limiting immigration for the sake of social cohesion? I'm very concerned about the creation of ghettos, particularly in Northern cities.

Also, immigration could end up with Ghettoes, like in New Orleans.

Also, immigration could end up with Ghettoes, like in New Orleans.

And racist domestic policy could end up with Ghettoes, like in Auschwitz.

And racist domestic policy could end up with Ghettoes, like in Auschwitz.
Meh.

What's the point in working democratically when NI will never vote to join the Republic? Even when Catholics outbreed Protestants, a substantial Catholic minority (around 20%) would still prefer union with Britain. Therefore, a United Ireland in the forseeable future is impossible, if democracy is adhered to.

That's why Sinn Fein will never give up their weapons!


That's why the answer is a class struggle that reaches across the artificial barriers of ethnicity and religion to smash the oppressive structure that is the state in all its forms.

Meh.

That says it all really. How can you say 'Meh' to Auschwitz and what happened there?

That's why the answer is a class struggle that reaches across the artificial barriers of ethnicity and religion to smash the oppressive structure that is the state in all its forms.

Yawn, we have an anarchist within our midst.

That says it all really. How can you say 'Meh' to Auschwitz and what happened there?
Auschwitz was appalling. I know. But 'Meh' as in 'who cares?'

Auschwitz was appalling. I know. But 'Meh' as in 'who cares?'

I think most Jewish people, the remaining survivors, most civilised people would be a good start. You don't support that sort of thing for immigrants, do you?

Hey! Will no-one answer my vaguely interesting and reasonable post about the impact on immigration of socail cohesion, rather than pursuing futile argument with Imperieux?

And racist domestic policy could end up with Ghettoes, like in Auschwitz.

Auschwitz wasnt a ghetto, it was a death camp. Slight difference.

And I dont like the BNP, not only are they racist and generally unpleasant, but they should not be a political party at all. Since all their policies are variants on a theme, namely the idiotic belief anyone non-white is wrong, they should be termed a "pressure group" or failing that, criminals.

You're saying "who cares" to the prospect of repeating the atrocities of camps like Auschwitz. You should care enough to not want it to happen again, otherwise you are just a fascist prick.

You're saying "who cares" to the prospect of repeating the atrocities of camps like Auschwitz. You should care enough to not want it to happen again, otherwise you are just a fascist prick.
Fascist maybe.

And why don't you go play with Nueva Inglaterra instead?

Hey! Will no-one answer my vaguely interesting and reasonable post about the impact on immigration of socail cohesion, rather than pursuing futile argument with Imperieux?

I can certainly see where you're coming from. But surely the problem is still the same - who to let in and who to stop? And such a policy goes against Human Rights anyway and would be unenforceable really. Still, interesting idea at least.

Fascist maybe.

And why don't you go play with Nueva Inglaterra instead?

Yeah, debate with someone who is capable of rational argument rather than racist diatribe. Then again, rational debate is rarely as fun as idiot bashing :)

Fascist maybe.

And why don't you go play with Nueva Inglaterra instead?

because I'll play with whoever I want.

And did you just proclaim yourself a fascist?

because I'll play with whoever I want.

And did you just proclaim yourself a fascist?

Fascist, maybe.

That hardly counts a self-declaration of undying love for every fascist in the world.

No.

I can certainly see where you're coming from. But surely the problem is still the same - who to let in and who to stop? And such a policy goes against Human Rights anyway and would be unenforceable really. Still, interesting idea at least.

I think it's more a question of reducing the total volume, rather than any one group. Britain has assimilated many diverse groups of immigrants over the past 1000 years, but never in the volume that immigrants come today.

Why do you think it would be unenforcable? As Britain is an island, extra security at sea and airpots should be enough to allow us to control the flow of immigration.

Fascist, maybe.

That hardly counts a self-declaration of undying love for every fascist in the world.

No.

so why don't you tell me what it does mean

I think it's more a question of reducing the total volume, rather than any one group. Britain has assimilated many diverse groups of immigrants over the past 1000 years, but never in the volume that immigrants come today.

Why do you think it would be unenforcable? As Britain is an island, extra security at sea and airpots should be enough to allow us to control the flow of immigration.

But how do you reduce the total volume - ie who do you choose? And anyway, by doing that we play right into the extremeists hands, allowing them to scream out about Western oppression and the such.

Fascist, maybe.

That hardly counts a self-declaration of undying love for every fascist in the world.

No.


Do you read The Sun?

so why don't you tell me what is does mean

It means maybe I'm a fascist, maybe not. Give me clear definiton of fascist or a test.

And although everyones gonna expect another comment which they can laugh at (fo whatever reason) aren't we getting a little off topic?

Auschwitz wasnt a ghetto, it was a death camp. Slight difference.


Perhaps. Here's the operative definitions of ghetto I am using:

1: formerly the restricted quarter of many European cities in which Jews were required to live; "the Warsaw ghetto" 2: any segregated mode of living or working that results from bias or stereotyping; "the relative security of the gay ghetto"; "no escape from the ghetto of the typing pool" 3: a poor densely populated city district occupied by a minority ethnic group linked together by economic hardship and social restrictions

As you can see the line isn't all that thick. And with folks like Imperiux, "who cares" what the difference is eh?

But how do you reduce the total volume - ie who do you choose? And anyway, by doing that we play right into the extremeists hands, allowing them to scream out about Western oppression and the such.

It's concievable to only limit immigration to asylum seekers, and keep out economic migrants. That way we still appear accepting and benevolent to the outside world while reducing the total volume of immigration.

How is limiting immigration to Britain oppressive? As far as I know, no mullahs are out there ranting because the West doesn't let in enough immigrants.

It's concievable to only limit immigration to asylum seekers, and keep out economic migrants. That way we still appear accepting and benevolent to the outside world while reducing the total volume of immigration.


It is possible, and if the BNP (look! I refered to the topic for the first time since I've started posting! :D ) ever got into power I'm sure they'd manage to totally stop the flow of immigrants, but would it be desirable to stop all economic immagrants? I do think that they're more that beneficial, I'd say at this stage they're pretty much a nesessity.

Perhaps. Here's the operative definitions of ghetto I am using:

1: formerly the restricted quarter of many European cities in which Jews were required to live; "the Warsaw ghetto"
2: any segregated mode of living or working that results from bias or stereotyping; "the relative security of the gay ghetto"; "no escape from the ghetto of the typing pool"
3: a poor densely populated city district occupied by a minority ethnic group linked together by economic hardship and social restrictions

As you can see the line isn't all that thick. And with folks like Imperiux, "who cares" what the difference is eh?

Depends what sorts of ghettoes. Sexuality, colour and political beliefs shouldn't be allowed to go into ghettoes.

It is possible, and if the BNP (look! I refered to the topic for the first time since I've started posting! :D ) ever got into power I'm sure they'd manage to totally stop the flow of immigrants, but would it be desirable to stop all economic immagrants? I do think that they're more that beneficial, I'd say at this stage they're pretty much a nesessity.

The difference between my desire to limit immigration and the BNP's is that mine is based on reason and a desire to avoid alienation and resentment, whereas the BNP's is based on pure ugly racism which they try to dress up with rational explanation.

They certainly aren't an economic necessity: there would just be some economic changes. Wages in the agricultural sector would probably rise, in order to attract more lazy British people to do the jobs which immigrants will currently do for a pittance. This would mean marginally higher food costs, but food's hardly expensive now.

It is possible, and if the BNP (look! I refered to the topic for the first time since I've started posting! :D ) ever got into power I'm sure they'd manage to totally stop the flow of immigrants, but would it be desirable to stop all economic immagrants? I do think that they're more that beneficial, I'd say at this stage they're pretty much a nesessity.

Exactly, without immigration the NHS would have collapsed years ago. 23% of doctors and 47% of nurses were born outside the UK. Many nurses were trained in their countries of origin, paid for by the taxpayers of poor nations like Zambia and Nigeria.

It's concievable to only limit immigration to asylum seekers, and keep out economic migrants. That way we still appear accepting and benevolent to the outside world while reducing the total volume of immigration.

How is limiting immigration to Britain oppressive? As far as I know, no mullahs are out there ranting because the West doesn't let in enough immigrants.

It is not the overall quantity of immigration that is the problem, the problem is greater efforts must be made by society and by the migrants themselves to integrate them into British society once they arrive. Placing such severe restrictions on immigration would be fundamentally damaging to our economy; it would deprive us of skilled workers in sectors where they are badly needed, it would hinder basic principles of the free market (such as the free exchange of labour) and it would run the risk of raising prices in areas of the economy where traditionally economic migrants are willing to work for lower wages than white Britons.

Is the government looking at quantity or quality when talking about immigration? Or are they just looking through rose-tinted glasses?

The difference between my desire to limit immigration and the BNP's is that mine is based on reason and a desire to avoid alienation and resentment, whereas the BNP's is based on pure ugly racism which they try to dress up with rational explanation.

They certainly aren't an economic necessity: there would just be some economic changes. Wages in the agricultural sector would probably rise, in order to attract more lazy British people to do the jobs which immigrants will currently do for a pittance. This would mean marginally higher food costs, but food's hardly expensive now.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you in any way supported the BNP, I know you have good reasons. But I do think they're more economically important than you give them credit for. My Dad runs a farm, and about 50% of the people who work for him are from eastern europe. Five or ten years ago it was 100% Irish, but as people started to leave it was impossible to replace them, and so we actually had to send away to foreign recruiting agencies to bring people over to work.
And as it is, people who work in the agriculture industry do have a higher minimum wage than other workers, but it still hasn't helped encourage people to do it.

It is not the overall quantity of immigration that is the problem, the problem is greater efforts must be made by society and by the migrants themselves to integrate them into British society once they arrive. Placing such severe restrictions on immigration would be fundamentally damaging to our economy; it would deprive us of skilled workers in sectors where they are badly needed, it would hinder basic principles of the free market (such as the free exchange of labour) and it would run the risk of raising prices in areas of the economy where traditionally economic migrants are willing to work for lower wages than white Britons.

When the overall volume of immigration is so high, there's less incentive to integrate because immigrants can create their own communities, cut off from the rest of the country. When immigration was at a lower rate, there weren't enough immigrants for this to happen, so they became integrated.

Try to remember that the government does not solely run the country to create a bigger economy! I think the argument about skill shortages is fundamentally weak, because if they wanted the government could invest more in education to train people for skilled jobs. You could also consider the financial costs of failed integration, whether it be rising insurance premiums thanks to attacks in London or the cost of riot control in Nothern cities.

Is the government looking at quantity or quality when talking about immigration? Or are they just looking through rose-tinted glasses?

Couls someone please answer? It isn't self-evident to me.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you in any way supported the BNP, I know you have good reasons. But I do think they're more economically important than you give them credit for. My Dad runs a farm, and about 50% of the people who work for him are from eastern europe. Five or ten years ago it was 100% Irish, but as people started to leave it was impossible to replace them, and so we actually had to send away to foreign recruiting agencies to bring people over to work.
And as it is, people who work in the agriculture industry do have a higher minimum wage than other workers, but it still hasn't helped encourage people to do it.

However much they're paid, it's obvious that that's still not enough to attract new workers to agriculture. Provided the wage is high enough, people will go into any industry: many teachers or doctors have recently retrained as plumbers, because the pay is higher! This would lead to higher food prices, but that wouldn't have a disastrous effect on the whole economy.

Is the government looking at quantity or quality when talking about immigration? Or are they just looking through rose-tinted glasses?


Are you just looking through moron-tinted glasses?

Are you just looking through moron-tinted glasses?

Genius :D

Are you just looking through moron-tinted glasses?

That colour suits you best. I prefer blue.

That colour suits you best. I prefer blue.

Blue? If by that you're implying that you're a conservative you are deeply mistaken.

Racists and fascists are not welcome in the Conservative Party, and will never be.

Blue? If by that you're implying that you're a conservative you are deeply mistaken.

Racists and fascists are not welcome in the Conservative Party, and will never be.

I believe myself to be a conservative. Although how I am racist and fascist eludes me?

What are you smoking?

Whil I agree with much of what the BNP say, it would still be bad if they got into power. Any leader, even Hitler, will come out with a lot of stuff people agree with. they just see a percieved problem and offer a solution. For hitler it was the jews, and with the BNP it seems to be foreigners in general.

Im sure if they stopped immigration and removed all the muslims the country would seem a lot more pleasent on the surface. However all the social and economic problems would remain. who would they blame then? The jews? Direct descendants of immigrants? (I would fall into that category). There will always be another group to blame, we need a proper government not some right wing nutjobs. and not the goddamn tories.

I believe myself to be a conservative. Although how I am racist and fascist eludes me?

What are you smoking?

You yourself claim to have fascist sympathies, which is hardly similar to British conservatism. Your irrational hatred of immigrants also marks you out as a racist (ie you hate them purely for the fact that they are foreign, although you through up weak arguments to try and disguise the fact).

However desperate some in the party are to regain power, I hope we never go crawling to the likes of you for votes.

When the overall volume of immigration is so high, there's less incentive to integrate because immigrants can create their own communities, cut off from the rest of the country. When immigration was at a lower rate, there weren't enough immigrants for this to happen, so they became integrated.

Try to remember that the government does not solely run the country to create a bigger economy! I think the argument about skill shortages is fundamentally weak, because if they wanted the government could invest more in education to train people for skilled jobs. You could also consider the financial costs of failed integration, whether it be rising insurance premiums thanks to attacks in London or the cost of riot control in Nothern cities.

I think that unless you SEVERLY limit immigration into Britain, you're still going to have ghettos forming, simply because people like to be around people who are like them. And, if there's fewer of them, then I think that those people who are living in ghettos are going to feel far more resentful, due to the huge ammount of "their people" (as they'd see it) being turned away.

I think that unless you SEVERLY limit immigration into Britain, you're still going to have ghettos forming, simply because people like to be around people who are like them. And, if there's fewer of them, then I think that those people who are living in ghettos are going to feel far more resentful, due to the huge ammount of "their people" (as they'd see it) being turned away.

We already have ghettoes: let's not further them by allowing them to greatly expand through new influxes. The problem of increased resentment due to limits could be a problem, but at least it stops the root cause of the problem (the ghetto) from getting any worse.

What? Ridiculous. Anyone can bring in that strain of bird flu, not just immigrants.

Bird Flu is still in Birds... It's probably still in France.

Quiet an intresting topic, but what does Bird Flu have to do with the BNP?


Ohhh. and you can all see this bird flu cartoon I found.. quite funny and irrelevant to the BNP though..
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/birdflucartoon.jpg

We already have ghettoes: let's not further them by allowing them to greatly expand through new influxes. The problem of increased resentment due to limits could be a problem, but at least it stops the root cause of the problem (the ghetto) from getting any worse.

Surely it would be better, instead of trying to contain a problem, to try and address it with cross community projects, for example, trying to make sure the children of the immigrants are catered for in schools, and thus integrate as well as possible?

Blue? If by that you're implying that you're a conservative you are deeply mistaken.

Racists and fascists are not welcome in the Conservative Party, and will never be.


Erm... I would beg top differ on the issue of rascists. Both the main parties are moving to pander more to xenophobia. Look at the last Conservative election campaign. "We're not rascist... doesnt stop us giving a nudge and a wink to BNP supporters though".

And this pandering to the BNPs programme does not lead to a decrease in support for the BNP. In fact it makes them look more accceptable and increases their popularity.

Surely it would be better, instead of trying to contain a problem, to try and address it with cross community projects, for example, trying to make sure the children of the immigrants are catered for in schools, and thus integrate as well as possible?

They are catered for: so well that some state schools are officially Islamic, due to an overwhelming majority of the pupils being Muslim. When this happens they become further estranged from the mainstream, as they rarely have contact with those from outsdie their ethnic/religious group.

Forced integration also doesn't have a track record of success: look at France!

Surely it would be better, instead of trying to contain a problem, to try and address it with cross community projects, for example, trying to make sure the children of the immigrants are catered for in schools, and thus integrate as well as possible?

Quiet you.

That would be a rational, and well thought out solution, not the type of thinking that whips up "dem immigants be stealin' ar wimmin'" attitude...

Forced integration also doesn't have a track record of success: look at France!

What about France?

Erm... I would beg top differ on the issue of rascists. Both the main parties are moving to pander more to xenophobia. Look at the last Conservative election campaign. "We're not rascist... doesnt stop us giving a nudge and a wink to BNP supporters though".

And this pandering to the BNPs programme does not lead to a decrease in support for the BNP. In fact it makes them look more accceptable and increases their popularity.

The fact that Michael Howard (a Romanian Welsh Jew) can become leader of the Tories surely puts paid to the suggestion that they are racists?

A majority of British people feel that there is too much immigration: the Conservative Party decided to reflect their views. It's a sad fact that many people oppose immigration for nothing other than base racism, but there are plenty of rational arguments agianst it, which should be recognised.

They are catered for: so well that some state schools are officially Islamic, due to an overwhelming majority of the pupils being Muslim. When this happens they become further estranged from the mainstream, as they rarely have contact with those from outsdie their ethnic/religious group.

Forced integration also doesn't have a track record of success: look at France!

Okay, seperating them further in the school system isn't exactly what I was thinking of...

And I don't know if France is the best example of trying to peacefully integrate people into society, as they forcibly ban headscarves in schools. I thought that was a bit overkill.

There is one thing which I think needs to be seriously considered, and that's gentle discouragment. I don't know if the British government is doing this, but I have heard of people being sent over to the countries which the majority of immigrants come from, and educate people planning to move about the realities of life in their planned future home. I think too many immigrants come to England expecting, as many did with America in the past, that the streets will be paved with gold. People need to be taught that they may well come up against the reality of Britain, which, for some, will be racism, poverty, and exploitation.


And with that bombshell of an arguement (:p ) I bid thee farewell. T'was fun.

Anything right wing is good in government.

Anything left-wing is corrupted and self-destrcutive.

I class myself as the youngest ultra patriot in the UK. Anything British is the best thing in the world for me.

Wow. Ultrapatriotism does have the tiniest implication of xenophobia, bgotry and racism.

Does anyone else share sympathies with the BNP's manifesto or is it just me?

No.

Ok, based on the wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party) on the BNP, here are my thoughts:

The repatriation of all illegal immigrants. -That's good.
The introduction of a system of voluntary, financially-aided repatriation for existing, legally-settled immigrants. -Why? They haven't done anything wrong. It looks to me like it's bordering on xenophobia.
The repeal of all equality legislation, regarded as positive discrimination/reverse discrimination. -That makes sense, but they need to be very careful about it.
Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union and the pursuit of protectionist economic measures. -The EU can be bad, but we need to trade with our neighbors.
Funding public spending increases and tax cuts by cutting foreign aid. -It's one thing not to like foreigners, but it's another to sit there and watch them die.
The introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals. -That's worth a try-, and the introduction of capital punishment for paedophiles -maybe they should try rehabilitation- and terrorists -I might support this, but not in all cases, especially asthis person could become a martyr- and its reintroduction for murderers. -Individual cases need to be looked at very carefully.
The reintroduction of national service and the requirement of people completing national service to maintain a standard issue automatic rifle in their home. -I'm sure that will decrease gun crime National service could help combat the ned/chav culture.
A mandatory jail term for anyone assaulting an NHS worker. -I 100% agree with this.
The promotion of organic farming. -Good.
funding to allow one parent in every family to stay home and raise children not yet of school age. -A brilliant idea, but it will need laws to protect the parent's place on the career ladder.
increasing defence spending. -Well, if you're chucking all of those immigrants back into their home countries, we'll definitely need more defenses.

So refusing to accept the worlds most corrupt country as a policeman and ally is unacceptable?

I'll smoke whatever you're smoking.

The US is too vain, in the way Bush is blatantly painting World Superpower all over it. No way. It's wold Villain. Japan is a world super power. Russia is still a super power.

The BNP basically tells us what is common knowledge. Socialism just dosn't work.
It's one of those middle of the road governments where noone knows what's happening and don't care.

We need a right wing government now. Let's hope UKIP< the BNP and the conservatives form a coalition permanently and sort this mess out.

Sorry, that logic is completely flawed. I assume when you say 'socialism doesn't work' you're referring to economics, and that socialism cannot provide a better quality of life. I don't believe this, but i'll go with your logic for awhile.

So, with this 'socialist economics don't work' in mind, let's look at the BNP and their ideologocal predecessor, the Nazis. What does Nazi stand for? National Socialism. Economically, they (and BNP policy) was, and is, interventionist. While still moderate, compared to the thatcherite 'privatise and PFI' approach Blair has continued, it's very much left wing.

You want proof? Clicky (http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/extremeright.php)

The BNP (i'll forget UKIP, they are an explicitly single-issue party) is worth lless than the dirt I wipe off the bottom of my trainers. They may have hijacked the Union Jack, but they aren't British. They're thugs and racists, and in Government (Burnley Borough Council) they often go with Labour and the Tories. Hope for the future? I think not.

What we need (some hope) is the Left to regroup. Labour has quite effectively made it impossible to make a working class alternative to their (conservative) policies. And what's left has George Galloway - yuck.

Erm... the Nazis were not the predeccesor of the BNP. They are both rascist parties. doesnt make one the predecessor of the other.

Oh, and unfortunately, the BNP are British. You cannot say they arent just because they dont represent your views. They stand for the xenophobic and rascist section of the community, which isnt miniscule in Britain. In fact Britain has quite a history of xenophobia. Of course, doesnt mean we shouldnt try to overcome the BNP, and reveal the nasty bastards they are.

True true, and this Labour government allowed Britian's last volume car maker to go under.

But Birmingham still votes Labour. When will they learn...
The vote choice is open. Birmingham suffered. I still have a job. Should I care? I purchased rover even when I knew the product was on it's way out. Now it's gone, I go German. European....but close

Ok, I'm BNP, and I've read about 92-98% of the posts on this.

We all know it's never possible to agree with 100% of a party's policies, even the staunchest of Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, whatever, supporters would agree with this (on the inside anyway). So right now don't see me as 100% BNP.

I think that the party itself goes a step too far from occasion-to-occasion, while I do agree with the kicking out of illegal immigrants, most people would, based on the fact they ARE (as the name implies) illegally in this country.

(I'm going off on one here, on what I'd do as BNP leader - whoops)

I don't think any immigrant (legal) should be kicked out based on colour of skin, or anything like that. If any legal immigrant should be kicked out, it should be those like Abu Hamza, or those who sit on their bottoms all day skiving off the British benifit system. I paid tax to repair the road outside my house, not for people to sit around doing nothing.

And before someone goes 'oh you're only talking about immigrants' 1) white people immigrate also and 2) I'd stop benefits for anyone who CAN work and doesn't, regardless of age, gender, race etc.

Then I'd only allow in immigrants who can prove they have a job in this country waiting for them, or can prove that they've worked for a period of time in their country, or another country.

I'd pull out the EU, Britain didn't need the EU before the 70's to trade, and it still doesn't, we have good partners in India, China, the USA, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc etc that we can trade with without needing an organisation. I would never pull out the EU though.

And yes, there would be elections at least every 5 years.

I've got to go out, but feel free to telegram me or PM me (do they do PM's on here? I have no idea)...but one thing is for definate, the BNP needs a shake up, get rid of the more far-right Stormfront type people, and any NF guys, and make them a more acceptable party.

I'd pull out the EU, Britain didn't need the EU before the 70's to trade, and it still doesn't, we have good partners in India, China, the USA, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc etc that we can trade with without needing an organisation. I would never pull out the EU though.

Erm... isnt that self contradictory?

I think I've got a reputation,
Xenophobic,
Racist,
Bigot,
etc...

I'm not doing that bad today. Maybe it's because of...

I think I've got a reputation,
Xenophobic,
Racist,
Bigot,
etc...


Have you ever wondered why?