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http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20060215Pakistan03.jpg

lol

I lol'd...

was that photoshopped??? If not someone owes me a freakin apology for saying you can't compare nazism and islam

Jaw-dropping and vomit-inducing....all at the same time.

*wonders if the pic is fake*

was that photoshopped??? If not someone owes me a freakin apology for saying you can't compare nazism and islam

Nope, I don't think it's PS'd.

Just where were Arabs on Hitlers list?
Did he want to kill them or just enslave them?

was that photoshopped??? If not someone owes me a freakin apology for saying you can't compare nazism and islam
You've learned nothing.

Oh noes the Muslim Hivemind are Neo-Nazis! Let's gather every man woman and child who proclaims faith in Allah and ship them to Nuremburg for new war crimes trials!

Not to mention the fruitcake extremists in the picture (assuming it's not been doctored) don't seem to grasp how Hitler wouldn't have thought much of them in turn.

But hey, if it helps boost the cause of Muslim Extermination right?

:rolleyes:

Just where were Arabs on Hitlers list?
Did he want to kill them or just enslave them?

Allies actually.

There were significant links between some arab groups and the Nazis.

You've learned nothing.

Did you even see the context of that whole comparison. Santa Barbara said you couldn't compare nazism and islam. my reply merely gave some similiarities between the two. Nazism could be seen as a religion of racial superiority whereas Islam could be seen as a religion of muslim supremacy as they got the final word from God. Unless you are mormon.

Allies actually.

There were significant links between some arab groups and the Nazis.
I know he worked with Arabs; he also worked with the Japanese, but what did he think of the race?

Not to mention the fruitcake extremists in the picture (assuming it's not been doctored) don't seem to grasp how Hitler wouldn't have thought much of them in turn.

Actually, the Nazis were quite friendly with several important muslims.

Hah, I have noticed the intentional non-capitalization of pronouns that relate to Islam, Kievan-Prussia.

Anyway, that doesn't look like actual paint on that poster to me in any-way though.

I personally think it's fake.

I know he worked with Arabs; he also worked with the Japanese, but what did he think of the race?

I think hitler though everyone who wasn't aryan german was a bit of an 'untermensch'.

I don't imagine it's all that significant anyway. The man was completely insane by anyone's standards.

Hah, I have noticed the intentional non-capitalization of pronouns that relate to Islam, Kievan-Prussia.

It's a political statement. They don't recognise Israel, I don't recognise them.

I think hitler though everyone who wasn't aryan german was a bit of an 'untermensch'.

I don't imagine it's all that significant anyway. The man was completely insane by anyone's standards.

Hitler had to come up with a contrived explanation of the Japanese as "Yellow Aryans" to keep the more fanatical of his followers happy with the alliance.

Of course this means it would be hilarious to see Japanese youth try to join skinhead and neo-Nazi groups. After all, Der Fuhrer called them Yellow Aryans and what White Aryan in their right mind would go against Der Fuhrer's words eh?

:D

I think hitler though everyone who wasn't aryan german was a bit of an 'untermensch'.

I don't imagine it's all that significant anyway. The man was completely insane by anyone's standards.

Hitler wasn't entirely stupid though. If he needed someone, he'd call them an "Honorary Aryan."

Hitler had to come up with a contrived explanation of the Japanese as "Yellow Aryans" to keep the more fanatical of his followers happy with the alliance.

Of course this means it would be hilarious to see Japanese youth try to join skinhead and neo-Nazi groups. After all, Der Fuhrer called them Yellow Aryans and what White Aryan in their right mind would go against Der Fuhrer's words eh?

:D

Possibly. Though I am sure that Dachau was an even more convincing argument.

Hitler wasn't entirely stupid though. If he needed someone, he'd call them an "Honorary Aryan."

It's not all that convincing.

It's a political statement. They don't recognise Israel, I don't recognise them.

GENERALIZING ALERT

No. "They" shouldn't mean ALL Muslims. You only mean a few, like the Pakistani Government or even probably the Palestinian Government (NOT people).

--

I should start doing that Generalizing Alert Business.

GENERALIZING ALERT

No. "They" shouldn't mean ALL Muslims. You only mean a few, like the Pakistani Government or even probably the Palestinian Government (NOT people).

--

I should start doing that Generalizing Alert Business.

It may be a minority, but for the 21st Century Earth, it's just too damn many.

Hitler had to come up with a contrived explanation of the Japanese as "Yellow Aryans" to keep the more fanatical of his followers happy with the alliance.

Of course this means it would be hilarious to see Japanese youth try to join skinhead and neo-Nazi groups. After all, Der Fuhrer called them Yellow Aryans and what White Aryan in their right mind would go against Der Fuhrer's words eh?

:DThere are such things as Asian & Japanese Neo-Nazi groups, and they are, in fact, extremely violent. Pt. I believe it's worst in Malaysia, where Neo-Nazi youths have killed several Skinheads in the last couple of years.

Which leads me to the next thing I wanted to comment on: the Skinhead culture is one of racial tolerance. Skins come in all colours, from every nation & every religion. It was born out of the mix of Jamaicans & Brits.
It is a culture of racial unity, social equality & workers rights. Traditionally, Skinheads are anti-fascists & anti-racists - violently so.

Skinheads also happens to be the most frequent target of Neo-Nazi violence, for those very reasons.

Hah, I have noticed the intentional non-capitalization of pronouns that relate to Islam, Kievan-Prussia.

Anyway, that doesn't look like actual paint on that poster to me in any-way though.

I personally think it's fake.

It is an actual painted sign, however the sign the person is carrying is not the one it was origionally painted on. You are correct. It is a fake.

Some person did that. Maybe even a group of brainwashed people, ordered by some moron leader.
Not the whole muslim world.

It is an actual painted sign, however the sign the person is carrying is not the one it was origionally painted on. You are correct. It is a fake.
I, for one, hope you are right, but out of curiousity, how do you know it's fake?

It is an actual painted sign, however the sign the person is carrying is not the one it was origionally painted on. You are correct. It is a fake.

Proof much?

http://www.n-tv.de/img/634520_src_path.jpg

Take a close look. That sign has varying ink/paint strokes, dirt, everything. If it's fake, someone REALLY went out of their way.

5 bucks says it was 'shopped.

Proof much?

http://www.n-tv.de/img/634520_src_path.jpg

Take a close look. That sign has varying ink/paint strokes, dirt, everything. If it's fake, someone REALLY went out of their way.

Proof? Well, the judges accepted my testimony and recognized me as an expert on digital manipulations when I was in law enforcement.

Like i said, it is an actual painted sign, there is no doubt about that. The sign it is painted on in the photo is not where the text origionated though. What they have done is selected all the text and expanded it by one or two pixels then copied it to a transparent background. Then they cleaned up or otherwise removed the text on the origional sign and pasted the new text over it. Then hit control-T to transform and size. Walla Instant new real painted sign.

Actually, the Nazis were quite friendly with several important muslims.hmm... that Iranian President?

They don't recognise Israel, I don't recognise them.nazi...

hmm... that Iranian President?

Actually, there was some mufti or something. Can't remember much about it.

GENERALIZING ALERT


I should start doing that Generalizing Alert Business.

You should.

nazi...

I'm a Nazi for my solidary with Israel? OH THE IRONY.

Seriously dude, enough with the Nazi crap. If I was a Nazi, you'd know.

I'm a Nazi for my solidary with Israel? OH THE IRONY.
Oh, i thought you meant you don't recognize Israel either.

Seriously dude, enough with the Nazi crap. If I was a Nazi, you'd know.whatever...

you and your generalization/racist crap is making everybody in NS sick.

Oh, i thought you meant you don't recognize Israel either.

whatever...

you and your generalization/racist crap is making everybody in NS sick.

Actually your unfounded accusations and personal attacks are over shadowing everything else. Shame you cannot reconized it.

Proof? Well, the judges accepted my testimony and recognized me as an expert on digital manipulations when I was in law enforcement.
Like i said, it is an actual painted sign, there is no doubt about that. The sign it is painted on in the photo is not where the text origionated though. What they have done is selected all the text and expanded it by one or two pixels then copied it to a transparent background. Then they cleaned up or otherwise removed the text on the origional sign and pasted the new text over it. Then hit control-T to transform and size. Walla Instant new real painted sign.
I totally call bullshit on that one. Your explanation is about as scientific and detailed as anyones who has spent more than 5 minutes (but less than 5 hours) with photoshop.


EDIT - On second thought, it would seem you don't even know anything about image manipulation. You dont take text in a picture and "select" it. You have to cut it out of the pic, and it is way more complicated than just erasing the existing text on the sign and rewriting something.

Nobody likes a liar, dude.

I totally call bullshit on that one. Your explanation is about as scientific and detailed as anyones who has spent more than 5 minutes (but less than 5 hours) with photoshop.


EDIT - On second thought, it would seem you don't even know anything about image manipulation. You dont take text in a picture and "select" it. You have to cut it out of the pic, and it is way more complicated than just erasing the existing text on the sign and rewriting something.

Nobody likes a liar, dude.

Yeah, dit. Who hasn't pretended to be the police before to reinforce a point?

It's a political statement. They don't recognise Israel, I don't recognise them.


Hmm, if you mean the palestinian govt. you better read up, they recognized Israel a long time ago, sadly, Israel havn't recognized palestines right to excist, even during camp david negotiations... this is OT though so I'll shut up now:)

I totally call bullshit on that one. Your explanation is about as scientific and detailed as anyones who has spent more than 5 minutes (but less than 5 hours) with photoshop.

hahaha You want a scientific explanation for a simple cut and paste photo manipulation. Sober up.

Interestingly enough it appears that it is you that know nothing about photoshop or how to use it, so this conversation is pointless.

I totally call bullshit on that one. Your explanation is about as scientific and detailed as anyones who has spent more than 5 minutes (but less than 5 hours) with photoshop.


EDIT - On second thought, it would seem you don't even know anything about image manipulation. You dont take text in a picture and "select" it. You have to cut it out of the pic, and it is way more complicated than just erasing the existing text on the sign and rewriting something.

Nobody likes a liar, dude.

Wow, someone rains on K-P and your "Muslims = Nazis" wankfest and you get all pissy ad hominem instead of demanding proof of his certification.

hahaha You want a scientific explanation for a simple cut and paste photo manipulation. Sober up.
All I want is some type of proof that you know ANYTHING about photo manipulation, much less are a recognized authority in the matter. Any work you've done that you can show us? I may not be an authority, or even very good, but at least I have work to back my claims up.

hmm... that Iranian President?

No, it was Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who was also the uncle of Yassir Arafat. Apparently he was agreeable to enforce the "final solution" from his side.

IIRC, the placard in question is from one of the Paksitani protests. I would not put these things beyond some of the nuts there.

http://www.n-tv.de/634520.html

German speakers pl translate the site.

All I want is some type of proof that you know ANYTHING about photo manipulation, much less are a recognized authority in the matter. Any work you've done that you can show us? I may not be an authority, or even very good, but at least I have work to back my claims up.


I concur with MIB. I seriously doubt that someone erased the origional text from the sign and PS'd new text. The photo is way to elaborate for that given what it would accomplish. Meaning, why would anyone take that much trouble. There are even shadows in the letters from the support members of the sign. It could be that the entire origional sign has been expertly replaced with one from some nazi rally. That, I might believe.

IIRC, the placard in question is from one of the Paksitani protests. I would not put these things beyond some of the nuts there.

http://www.n-tv.de/634520.html

German speakers pl translate the site.

What? Pakistan? Our ally in the War Against Islamic Terror? Oh heaven forbid that Blessed General Musharraf is somehow unable to crack down on the Islamists in his own back yard!

What? Pakistan? Our ally in the War Against Islamic Terror? Oh heaven forbid that Blessed General Musharraf is somehow unable to crack down on the Islamists in his own back yard!

Why would he do that?

They justify his dictatorship. So he "allows" them and he "cracks down" on them at the same time. It is a very complex place, even experienced long time Pak watchers get stumped every now and then.

http://www.n-tv.de/634520.html

German speakers pl translate the site.
The caption says: "Women demonstrating in the Pakistani capital Islamabad against the Mohammed caricatures on Monday. What exactly they mean to say with the poster is unclear."

To be honest, I'm not sure the women know it themselves. They were probably given the poster by some protest organiser.

Nonetheless, in extremist circles there has for some time been this unhealthy attitude towards Hitler and Nazism.

The caption says: "Women demonstrating in the Pakistani capital Islamabad against the Mohammed caricatures on Monday. What exactly they mean to say with the poster is unclear."

To be honest, I'm not sure the women know it themselves. They were probably given the poster by some protest organiser.

Nonetheless, in extremist circles there has for some time been this unhealthy attitude towards Hitler and Nazism.
Maybe they knew what it meaant, and maybe they didn't. I'm curious as to why you are so quick to say that they probably didn't know what it meant.

Maybe they knew what it meaant, and maybe they didn't. I'm curious as to why you are so quick to say that they probably didn't know what it meant.
Because they are in Pakistan, and I don't know how many Pakistani women who participate in anti-Western protests are fluent in English, and because I have now for months watched various protests, where some signs had some pretty obvious grammar and spelling mistakes in there.

Oh, and I'm also a Pan-Islamist and would like to see your country and your pets destroyed.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20060215Pakistan03.jpg
I pray for him every night.

Because they are in Pakistan, and I don't know how many Pakistani women who participate in anti-Western protests are fluent in English, and because I have now for months watched various protests, where some signs had some pretty obvious grammar and spelling mistakes in there.

Oh, and I'm also a Pan-Islamist and would like to see your country and your pets destroyed.I agree. From my limited experience, I'd say it's pretty unlikely most of the people there have a very clear idea of what Nazism is & who Hitler was.

My opinion being based on me having to explain to a handful of people from across the ME region, just what the hell the Nazi shit is all about. Amazing the sort of situations one gets in online...

I have no authority on the subject of photoshop. I do, however, think the photo's a fake - mainly 'cos of the hand holding the sign... I think it very unlikely that it would belong to the woman whose face is pictured.

From my experience in the Islamic world, I would not expect a woman who wears the hijab to the extent that half her face is covered to have a.) such fat mannish hands - and b.) bare hands - although Islamic dress conventions do not require womens hands to be covered, most muslim women who are veiled to that extent would wear gloves.

It's a political statement. They don't recognise Israel, I don't recognise them.

Who is "they"?

Or are you saying that, until each and every Muslim recognizes Isreal, that you intend to dishonor them all? How cute.

Anwar Sadat died for nothing I suppose.

All I want is some type of proof that you know ANYTHING about photo manipulation, much less are a recognized authority in the matter. Any work you've done that you can show us? I may not be an authority, or even very good, but at least I have work to back my claims up.

Some of us have earned reputations on NS. Liverbreath (whom I almost never agree with on any subject) has proven himself to ex-law enforcement thoroughout the history of his postings. Moreover, he is a man of honor who wouldn't simply lie about the cut and paste job. Calling the man a liar does little to enhance your credibility.

Actually your unfounded accusations and personal attacks are over shadowing everything else. Shame you cannot reconized it.

Actually K-P has boasted in other threads about his racism, and particularly that he belongs to a gang that beats up Muslims.

Actually K-P has boasted in other threads about his racism, and particularly that he belongs to a gang that beats up Muslims.

I've only rode along a few times. And we don't just beat up random people, we fight muslims gangs.

..and because I have now for months watched various protests, where some signs had some pretty obvious grammar and spelling mistakes in there.


Like these ?:p
http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/02/15/image1318867.jpg
I liked these placards better. Atleast there was humor in this.

Seriously, Hizbut Tahrir was involved in some of the protests. They are known to be professional in this placards thing. Note the language in the protests in UK. You can see HT style in those too.

Btw, look at this pic. All these buses were part of DAEWOO fleet and were targetted during one of the protests. It is now suspected that rival bus operators may have played a part in this.

Pic from CBS news.
http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/02/15/image1318810.jpg

Every group and faction is trying to use this thing to their advantage at the expense of the image of islam.

Anwar Sadat died for nothing I suppose.

Come on now, you can't expect a person who can't be bothered to understand the differences between a Turk, Persian, Kurd, Azeri from Arabs to know what Anwar Sadat stood for and died for....:p

I've only rode along a few times. And we don't just beat up random people, we fight muslims gangs.

I stand corrected. You are an admitted racist that has "only rode along a few times" to "fight muslim gangs." But you wish you could do more.

Come on now, you can't expect a person who can't be bothered to understand the differences between a Turk, Persian, Kurd, Azeri from Arabs to know what Anwar Sadat stood for and died for....:p

:D

All I want is some type of proof that you know ANYTHING about photo manipulation, much less are a recognized authority in the matter. Any work you've done that you can show us? I may not be an authority, or even very good, but at least I have work to back my claims up.
All I want is some type of proof that you know ANYTHING about photo manipulation, much less are a recognized authority in the matter. Any work you've done that you can show us? I may not be an authority, or even very good, but at least I have work to back my claims up.



BTW look at it closely. The lettering is too clean and the shadow is too lineated.

The things that fly as General "Discussion" these days.

I stand corrected. You are an admitted racist that has "only rode along a few times" to "fight muslim gangs." But you wish you could do more.

A typical case of "When they attack us, it's their culture, when we attack back, we're racist."

A typical case of "When they attack us, it's their culture, when we attack back, we're racist."

When somebody attacks you, he's a criminal. When you attack back, you're a criminal. When you attack back somebody of their culture who didn't attack you in thefirst place, that's when you're a racist.

I've only rode along a few times. And we don't just beat up random people, we fight muslims gangs.
So you are a violent criminal, who likes to gang up on minority groups. Why don't you go to Iraq, where you can fight muslim gangs for a living? Not safe enough?

I've only rode along a few times. And we don't just beat up random people, we fight muslims gangs.Hehe, where I come from, we run scum like you out of town.
You should look up your local AntiFa & have a little chat. I'm sure they'd love an opportunity to teach you a lesson, and if you beg real good, they might call you an ambulance when they're done.

So sad all the little local cunts fled. I miss hunting your kind :(

When somebody attacks you, he's a criminal. When you attack back, you're a criminal. When you attack back somebody of their culture who didn't attack you in thefirst place, that's when you're a racist.

When did I fucking say I attack random people? I fucking attack gang members, ok? When are you gonna get that through your thick skulls?

A typical case of "When they attack us, it's their culture, when we attack back, we're racist."

A very typical case of "when they attack us, they are racistm when we attack back, its our culture."

Whoever attacks who is a criminal. The first attacker is a criminal. The vigilante responding is a criminal.

Add to that your admisssion that you select the targets of your crimes based on their ethnicity/religion.

Racist thuggery is nothing to be proud of, young man.

When did I fucking say I attack random people? I fucking attack gang members, ok? When are you gonna get that through your think skulls?

Ok, that makes you a racially motivated criminal. Not quite a grown-up racist yet.

Hehe, where I come from, we run scum like you out of town.
You should look up your local AntiFa & have a little chat. I'm sure they'd love an opportunity to teach you a lesson, and if you beg real good, they might call you an ambulance when they're done.

So sad all the little local cunts fled. I miss hunting your kind :(

Their fists vs our machine guns. Fun.

And yes, we actually have light machine guns. Seven, I think.

When did I fucking say I attack random people? I fucking attack gang members, ok? When are you gonna get that through your thick skulls?

1. That you fucking attack anyone is unacceptable.

2. that you fucking attack those you think are Muslim gang members only adds hatred to your thuggery.

And yes, we actually have light machine guns. Seven, I think.
You don't just beat them up, you shoot them.
Why are you not incarcerated?

When did I fucking say I attack random people? I fucking attack gang members, ok? When are you gonna get that through your think skulls?
Nice to know we have think skulls, unlike you who obviously has a thiCk skull.

As for 'only' attacking gang members, you said they are all Muslims. I'd say there are plenty of other gangs out there of differing races, including white. So why aren't you attacking them? Maybe 'cause you are a racist?

Their fists vs our machine guns. Fun.

And yes, we actually have light machine guns. Seven, I think.

Good thing you belong to a religion of peace. :p

1. That you fucking attack anyone is unacceptable.

2. that you fucking attack those you think are Muslim gang members only adds hatred to your thuggery.

Damn straight. This guy's talked about it before, and it disgusts me.

You don't just beat them up, you shoot them.
Why are you not incarcerated?

Because this is largely fictional.

Racism is based on discrimination of race, a rather old concept nowadays. KP is just admiting to discriminating on the basis of religion.

Nice to know we have think skulls, unlike you who obviously has a thiCk skull.

As for 'only' attacking gang members, you said they are all Muslims. I'd say there are plenty of other gangs out there of differing races, including white. So why aren't you attacking them? Maybe 'cause you are a racist?

Maybe because they don't attack us? They LIKE us.

Because this is largely fictional.
We're RPing? Erm ... or is he just making this up ... erm ....

Because this is largely fictional.
Fire-antz returned, perhaps? There are similarities....

Hehe, where I come from, we run scum like you out of town.
You should look up your local AntiFa & have a little chat. I'm sure they'd love an opportunity to teach you a lesson, and if you beg real good, they might call you an ambulance when they're done.

So sad all the little local cunts fled. I miss hunting your kind :(

wow looks like violence inherent in both sides. looks like we need another peaceful martyr so that we can all just chill and realize violence is wrong.

Because this is largely fictional.

Actually, we don't keep any ammunition around. They're just for show. I'm pretty sure we could get some, though.

Listen, I exaggerate a bit. Yes, the gang I associate with HAS MGs. No, we don't use them. Yes, we fight muslims gangs. No, we don't attack random people, we wait for them to attack us. No, I haven't participated in any attacks, just seen some.

Enough about me. Can we get back on topic?

Just where were Arabs on Hitlers list?
Did he want to kill them or just enslave them?

The Muslims have always loved Hitler, and he, for his part, is quoted as having said "I can only trust the Muslims.". They were openly sympathetic to the Axis to a nation during the war--hell, Hitler even backed an attempted revolution against the British in Iraq.

Now that you've shown me this, actually, I remember that one of the couple of SS division composed of Muslim volunteers during the war was disbanded for its brutality. How about that, eh? Islam: too cruel for the Waffen SS.

Racism is based on discrimination of race, a rather old concept nowadays. KP is just admiting to discriminating on the basis of religion.

I wouldn't call racism an "old concept."

BUT KP is also on record as saying that all Arabs are Muslim and everyone from the Middle East is Arab.

When he and his goon cruise for fights, they look for people that look like Arabs.

So, its a nice mix of hatred based on ethnicity, race, religion, and creed.

The Muslims have always loved Hitler, and he, for his part, is quoted as having said "I can only trust the Muslims.". They were openly sympathetic to the Axis to a nation during the war--hell, Hitler even backed an attempted revolution against the British in Iraq.

Now that you've shown me this, actually, I remember that one of the couple of SS division composed of Muslim volunteers during the war was disbanded for its brutality. How about that, eh? Islam: too cruel for the Waffen SS.

Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean Islam is a cruel religion or whatever you were trying to say. That just means those fanatics were too cruel - a small minority. Hell, there were Russian SS Divisions and Ukranian ones that were considered far too brutal for the SS - that doesn't mean all Russians are evil, does it?

Wow, I heard that the Ukrainians were the worst SS. Shoulda know the muslims could outdo them. ;)

Because they are in Pakistan, and I don't know how many Pakistani women who participate in anti-Western protests are fluent in English, and because I have now for months watched various protests, where some signs had some pretty obvious grammar and spelling mistakes in there.

Oh, and I'm also a Pan-Islamist and would like to see your country and your pets destroyed.



Please, not the pets!


It seems like a fair conclusion, but didnt I see you advocating, in another thread, that not knowing nor/and stupidity never was an excuse for ones actions and behavior?

Greetings

Wow, I heard that the Ukrainians were the worst SS. Shoulda know the muslims could outdo them. ;)

No.

I'm sorry, but no. Don't even try and turn that into an anti-Muslim comment, you damn racist. Look at my post above to see what that comment really means.

I wouldn't call racism an "old concept."

BUT KP is also on record as saying that all Arabs are Muslim and everyone from the Middle East is Arab.

When he and his goon cruise for fights, they look for people that look like Arabs.

So, its a nice mix of hatred based on ethnicity, race, religion, and creed.

I said that everyone in the Middle East more or less does the same thing. Well, that's what I meant.

And now you're just putting words in my mouth. We're a reactionary gang, we defend ourselves when we're attacked.

The Muslims have always loved Hitler, and he, for his part, is quoted as having said "I can only trust the Muslims.". They were openly sympathetic to the Axis to a nation during the war--hell, Hitler even backed an attempted revolution against the British in Iraq.

Now that you've shown me this, actually, I remember that one of the couple of SS division composed of Muslim volunteers during the war was disbanded for its brutality. How about that, eh? Islam: too cruel for the Waffen SS.

Come now. Even if these things are true -- and I'd like proof, should we also condemn all Roman Catholics because of the Church's complicity with Hitler?

Hitler certainly wasn't a Muslim and his anti-Semitism was based in Christianity. To somehow equate Hilter and Islam, is to ignore the Nazi ideology itself.

Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean Islam is a cruel religion or whatever you were trying to say. That just means those fanatics were too cruel - a small minority. Hell, there were Russian SS Divisions and Ukranian ones that were considered far too brutal for the SS - that doesn't mean all Russians are evil, does it?

With those Ukrainians and Russians serving as hiwis or volunteers it can be understandable why they were cruel. What was the Muslims' excuse?

No.

I'm sorry, but no. Don't even try and turn that into an anti-Muslim comment, you damn racist. Look at my post above to see what that comment really means.

I don't even get this post.

With those Ukrainians and Russians serving as hiwis or volunteers it can be understandable why they were cruel. What was the Muslims' excuse?

Plus, if I was Ukrainian, I'd be on Hitler's side too. Fucking Stalin.

I don't even get this post.

I'm so sorry, I'll try and translate it:

A small minority of Islamic extremists in a Waffen SS Division does not mean that Islam is extremely violent as you insinuated in your last post.

With those Ukrainians and Russians serving as hiwis or volunteers it can be understandable why they were cruel. What was the Muslims' excuse?

Quite likely they were extremists. Like all volunteers in SS Divisions, especially during the later stages of the war.

When he and his goon cruise for fights, they look for people that look like Arabs.


I would bet that he is going to hit some arab looking fellow when the guy would be a lebanese christian (because you know....they all look alike and brown = arab = muslim = theyallhatemeandionlyhatethemback...)

The one thing that disgusts me more than racists are stupid racists.

I'm so sorry, I'll try and translate it:

A small minority of Islamic extremists in a Waffen SS Division does not mean that Islam is extremely violent as you insinuated in your last post.

I still believe that islam is inherently violent.

I would bet that he is going to hit some arab looking fellow when the guy would be a lebanese christian (because you know....they all look alike and brown = arab = muslim = theyallhatemeandionlyhatethemback...)

The one thing that disgusts me more than racists are stupid racists.

It's hilarious watching people totally not listen to my posts because they want to portray me as the aggressor.

WE WAIT FOR THEM TO ATTACK US FIRST. THEN WE DEFEND OURSELVES.

Come now. Even if these things are true -- and I'd like proof, should we also condemn all Roman Catholics because of the Church's complicity with Hitler?

Hitler certainly wasn't a Muslim and his anti-Semitism was based in Christianity. To somehow equate Hilter and Islam, is to ignore the Nazi ideology itself.

What do you mean you'd "like proof"? It is a matter of historical accord. I'd be as well to ask you to prove that D-Day happened. All you're doing in asking for proof is showing your ignorance of the subject. And nobody's saying that every Muslim should be condemned. What I am saying that statements like "God Bless Hitler" aren't all that incredible because the Dar al'Islam was rooting for him throughout the war and truth be told he did actually have a soft spot for them.

Furthermore, national socialism did not have its anti-semitic roots in Christianity. Which is not to say that Christianity as a religion is any more anti-semitic than Islam.

It's hilarious watching people totally not listen to my posts because they want to portray me as the aggressor.

WE WAIT FOR THEM TO ATTACK US FIRST. THEN WE DEFEND OURSELVES.

Sounds kinda like Death Wish.

I wouldn't call racism an "old concept."
I consider it one from antiquity.
BUT KP is also on record as saying that all Arabs are Muslim and everyone from the Middle East is Arab.
True.
When he and his goon cruise for fights, they look for people that look like Arabs.
I don't know about the "cruise for fights" bit. I've met a number of people that have made up such things. They later told me their stories of gang war were just BS after befriending them. My opinion is that this is mere macho talk.
So, its a nice mix of hatred based on ethnicity, race, religion, and creed.
You could say that. However, discrimination falls much better into a nice mix like that.

I still believe that islam is inherently violent.

The only thing you've shown to be inherently violent is you and your friends.

[QUOTE=The Cat-Tribe]Come now. Even if these things are true -- and I'd like proof, should we also condemn all Roman Catholics because of the Church's complicity with Hitler?



Nope, his anti-semitism was based on old northern mytologi fixed to fit with his belivings

It's obvious photoshop. What I'd like to see is this picture in its original context, not from some blog. Perhaps if we can find the originator of the picture, that would be helpful.

However, to those who don't think it's photoshopped, then you clearly haven't been paying attention to somethingawful.com. Some of those goons are photoshop wizards. Changing a protest sign is something a 3 year old could do.

It's hilarious watching people totally not listen to my posts because they want to portray me as the aggressor.

WE WAIT FOR THEM TO ATTACK US FIRST. THEN WE DEFEND OURSELVES.

It is all very heroic to think you are vigilante and all, but it does not solve the problem.

I do know how lebanese muslim gangs operate and there is a fair amount of hate crimes from those gangs and that law enforcement is not perceived to be clamping down on the muslim gangs.

Still, I would say that this retaliation, "eye for eye", "we are only defending" does not help the situation in any way. It only becomes a vicious cycle.

What do you mean you'd "like proof"? It is a matter of historical accord. I'd be as well to ask you to prove that D-Day happened. All you're doing in asking for proof is showing your ignorance of the subject. And nobody's saying that every Muslim should be condemned. What I am saying that statements like "God Bless Hitler" aren't all that incredible because the Dar al'Islam was rooting for him throughout the war and truth be told he did actually have a soft spot for them.

Furthermore, national socialism did not have its anti-semitic roots in Christianity. Which is not to say that Christianity as a religion is any more anti-semitic than Islam.

Yes, proof. They have these cool things now called websites and you can provide links. There are lots of reliable websites regarding history. Can you find one that backs your assertions or not?

Hilter's anti-semitic roots are clearly based in his Christianity. It makes it quite clear in Mein Kampf. Otherwise, nice job of ignoring the link between Christians and Nazis. Keep the focus on the dirty Arabs.

Come now. Even if these things are true -- and I'd like proof, should we also condemn all Roman Catholics because of the Church's complicity with Hitler?

Nope, his anti-semitism was based on old northern mytologi fixed to fit with his belivings


I note you dodge answering about the Church's complicity with Hitler directly.

I note you dodge answering about the Church's complicity with Hitler directly.

I'd comply with a MP40 to my head too.

The image isn't working for me.... DAMNIT!

I note you dodge answering about the Church's complicity with Hitler directly.
Dominican and Franciscan monks assisted with Nazi Death Squads, in defiance of Vatican Edicts. Keep in mind Catholics suffered under Hitler and Mussolini too.

Yes, proof. They have these cool things now called websites and you can provide links. There are lots of reliable websites regarding history. Can you find one that backs your assertions or not?
But yeah, during the war, there already was some tension between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, and the Arab leaders (ie, mainly the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mufti_of_Jerusalem#Nazi_ties_and_World_War_II)) believed that they could get a better deal if the Commonwealth was destroyed. That Hitler also told them that he'd take care of the Jews was a bonus.

I couldn't find anything about an actual Arab SS-Unit though. Because that would obviously have been behind enemy lines. Cooperation was there though, and a number of Israelis (Moshe Dayan for example) fought them in WWII. And there was one Muslim SS Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_%281st_Croatian%29) in Croatia.

Of course, there were also British (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britisches_Freikorps) and French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Charlemagne) Waffen-SS divisions, so that counts for little.

But yeah, during the war, there already was some tension between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, and the Arab leaders (ie, mainly the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mufti_of_Jerusalem#Nazi_ties_and_World_War_II)) believed that they could get a better deal if the Commonwealth was destroyed. That Hitler also told them that he'd take care of the Jews was a bonus.

I couldn't find anything about an actual Arab SS-Unit though. Because that would obviously have been behind enemy lines. Cooperation was there though, and a number of Israelis (Moshe Dayan for example) fought them in WWII. And there was one Muslim SS Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_%281st_Croatian%29) in Croatia.

Of course, there were also British (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britisches_Freikorps) and French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Charlemagne) Waffen-SS divisions, so that counts for little.

See, was that so hard?

But yeah, during the war, there already was some tension between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, and the Arab leaders (ie, mainly the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mufti_of_Jerusalem#Nazi_ties_and_World_War_II)) believed that they could get a better deal if the Commonwealth was destroyed. That Hitler also told them that he'd take care of the Jews was a bonus.

I couldn't find anything about an actual Arab SS-Unit though. Because that would obviously have been behind enemy lines. Cooperation was there though, and a number of Israelis (Moshe Dayan for example) fought them in WWII. And there was one Muslim SS Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_%281st_Croatian%29) in Croatia.

Of course, there were also British (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britisches_Freikorps) and French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Charlemagne) Waffen-SS divisions, so that counts for little.

A British SS division? Pure fiction. There were a few instances of French ones.

Who was talking about Arabs? That photo's from Pakistan--Pakistanis are not Arab. The Muslim SS divisions consisted mainly of Central Asians, Turks and Balkan Muslims.

And I didn't provide links because it's utterly laughable that you should demand I provide evidence for a matter of historical accord. It is, as I said before, like me asking you to prove D-Day happened, or that the Vatican (by and large) were not too vocal in opposing Hitler. Find the sites yourself--better yet read a book. Don't go weighing into a discussion you yourself are pig-ignorant about.

A British SS division? Pure fiction. There were a few instances of French ones.

Who was talking about Arabs? That photo's from Pakistan--Pakistanis are not Arab. The Muslim SS divisions consisted mainly of Central Asians, Turks and Balkan Muslims.

And I didn't provide links because it's utterly laughable that you should demand I provide evidence for a matter of historical accord. It is, as I said before, like me asking you to prove D-Day happened, or that the Vatican (by and large) were not too vocal in opposing Hitler. Find the sites yourself--better yet read a book. Don't go weighing into a discussion you yourself are pig-ignorant about.

Actually, the British SS Division did exist. It was known as the Britischer Freikorps, recruited from POW Camps in late 1944 to 1945. They recruited mainly anti-Russian and fascist prisoners for a campaign against the Russians. However because of various factors and the fact that many British POWs realised it for the scam it was, they recruited under 30 members. It was, however, referred to as a Division, even thought it did nothing and was filled with spies and those wanting to escape to the Russians.

Don't go weighing into a discussion you yourself are pig-ignorant about. - Back at you.

A British SS division? Pure fiction.
Well, it never really got off the ground, but at least officially, it existed. :p

The point is that it's ridiculous to go down the road of claiming that there is something wrong with Islam because some Muslims served in various SS-Units.

If that criterion can tell you anything about the violence of a culture or religion, I think I might be in trouble.

Actually, the British SS Division did exist. It was known as the Britischer Freikorps

The Britischer Freikorps was a fantasy that never recruited enough men to be activated as a combat unit with the "SS" appelation. It existed hyptothetically, on paper.

Quite different from the Muslim Handschar.

Again, I must reiterate, Muslims and Nazis considered themselves quite compatible with each other at the time. Himmler considered them to be fearless soldiers and subsrcribed to the absurd theory that they were of largely Gothic descent.

A British SS division? Pure fiction. There were a few instances of French ones.

Who was talking about Arabs? That photo's from Pakistan--Pakistanis are not Arab. The Muslim SS divisions consisted mainly of Central Asians, Turks and Balkan Muslims.

And I didn't provide links because it's utterly laughable that you should demand I provide evidence for a matter of historical accord. It is, as I said before, like me asking you to prove D-Day happened, or that the Vatican (by and large) were not too vocal in opposing Hitler. Find the sites yourself--better yet read a book. Don't go weighing into a discussion you yourself are pig-ignorant about.

Careful there. Flame down.

"not to vocal in opposing Hitler" -- that is an interesting euphemism.

Regardless, I know a great deal about Hitler and his ties to Christianity. I was less aware of the role of Muslims & Arabs during WW2. Forgive me if I don't simply take bald broad assertions on your part as gospel truth. Asking for evidence is not pig-ignorance. Offering evidence for your assertions is part of debate.

You've been proven at least partially correct and I acknowledge that. Though I note you've still dodged the Nazi/Christian ties.

Again, I must reiterate, Muslims and Nazis considered themselves quite compatible with each other at the time.
Okay, let's follow that logic.

What about Germans and Nazis? What about Finns and Nazis? Romanians? Italians? Japanese?

They all considered themselves quite compatible as I see it. Yet can you now infer anything about the cultures, religions or lifestyles of those peoples?

The Britischer Freikorps was a fantasy that never recruited enough men to be activated as a combat unit with the "SS" appelation. It existed hptothetically, on paper.

Quite different from the Muslim Handschar.

Again, I must reiterate, Muslims and Nazis considered themselves quite compatible with each other at the time. Himmler considered them to be fearless soldiers and subsrcribed to the absurd theory that they were of largely Gothic descent.

The Muslim Handschar were Croats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)

In the fall of 1942, SS Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler and SS-General Gottlob Berger approached Hitler with the proposal to raise a Bosnian Moslem SS division. Himmler thought that Moslem men would make perfect SS soldiers, as Islam "promises them Heaven if they fight and are killed in action." According to Chris Bishop, "Himmler convinced himself that Balkan Muslims were neither Slavs nor Turks, but were really Aryans who had adopted Islam." (Source: "SS: Hell on the Western Front. The Waffen SS in Europe 1940-1945", 2003. p.70). He believed the Muslims of Bosnia to be the same, racially, as the Croatians, and saw the Croatians as descended of Gothic and Persian stock.

As noted earlier, the point is that it's ridiculous to go down the road of claiming that there is something wrong with Islam because some Muslims served in various SS-Units.

You've been proven at least partially correct and I acknowledge that. Though I note you've still dodged the Nazi/Christian ties.

Dodged? I don't see their relevance. Saying "look at what Christianity did" dosen't make Islam any less wicked an ideology. I myself am not Christian. Christianity in the 40s has nothing to do with Muslims carrying "God Bless Hitler" placards today.

Sure there were ties between Christianity and the National Socialists--but I don't what that's got to do with the topic at hand.

The Muslim Handschar were Croats.

Pffft. They were about as Croatian as the Albanians.

Okay, let's follow that logic.

What about Germans and Nazis? What about Finns and Nazis? Romanians? Italians? Japanese?

They all considered themselves quite compatible as I see it. Yet can you now infer anything about the cultures, religions or lifestyles of those peoples?

But they've visibly changed. We're here to back up that pic in the OP with historically evidence to indicate why that pic is realistic.

But they've visibly changed.
And Islam hasn't?

I hate to break it to you, but both the theology of Islam and the lives of Muslims have changed drastically over the decades.

Dodged? I don't see their relevance. Saying "look at what Christianity did" dosen't make Islam any less wicked an ideology. I myself am not Christian. Christianity in the 40s has nothing to do with Muslims carrying "God Bless Hitler" placards today.

Sure there were ties between Christianity and the National Socialists--but I don't what that's got to do with the topic at hand.

Nor are teh actions of Mohammad Amin al-Husayni or a few Croat troops in the 40s relevant to Muslims with photoshopped placards today. Yet you seemed to think them relevant.

One can hardly blame Islam for the actions of Hitler. It is silly to even have started down that road.

And Islam hasn't?

I hate to break it to you, but both the theology of Islam and the lives of Muslims have changed drastically over the decades.

They still look pretty crazy.

What about Finns and Nazis?
For the record, that was not a friendly alliance.
It ended with the Nazi forces burning down everything in Northern Finland.
Many veterans testiments I've heard even say the Nazis did nothing but lose to the Soviet army and then retreat, dabbling in pillage and rape as they left.
Finland and Germany have changed, but the more elderly Finns haven't exactly forgotten that.
I can't speak for everybody though.

My 0.02 American.

But they've visibly changed. We're here to back up that pic in the OP with historically evidence to indicate why that pic is realistic.

How has Christianity visibly changed since the 40's? Islam, on the whole, has changed markedly since the 40's. It's just that the extremists living in the 7th century happen to be the most highly visible at the moment.

And if we are going down that road, then is Buddhism or Shinto evil and comparable with Nazism because the Japanese in the 40's loosely allied themselves with Germany in the 40's? I mean, they obviously haven't changed their ways coz, like Aum Shinrikyo was an extremist Buddhist cult who committed terrorism in the name of religion and obviously speak for all the hundreds of millions of Buddhists on the planet...

They still look pretty crazy.
I'm going to give you a link now to a thread that is worth its length in gold these days. I trust that you care enough about all this to read it, even though it may be a lot of work.
It might go a long way to explain to you what all this is about from their side of the fence. Keep in mind that they talk about specific movements within Islam and that the majority of Muslims don't belong to those ("Liberal Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Islam)" being just one of many alternatives).

So here goes nothing:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434314

Plus, if I was Ukrainian, I'd be on Hitler's side too. Fucking Stalin.
I wasn't aware that Hitler was fucking Stalin, but that's beside the point.

I take it from this post that you know no Ukranians (from your other posts I've taken you a nincompoop - with emphasis on the poop). If you said that to most Ukrainians, you'd be lucky to escape unscathed.
You obviously have no idea what the Nazis did to Ukraine. Of all the ones I know personally, not one of them didn't have at least one family member killed by the Nazis during WWII. I know one who between him and his wife lost more than a dozen close family members.
I'd love you to go up to him and say you'd much rather Hitler in the Ukraine than Stalin.




I think KP's above post shows, if any more proof was needed, he hasn't a clue. Not one. Not one fucking clue. Zero. Completely abso-fucking-lutely deficient in the clue department. If he wasn't such an arse I'd feel sorry for him.

So here goes nothing:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434314
I read that on Leonstein's recommendation.
I urge KP to read it as well.

How has Christianity visibly changed since the 40's? Islam, on the whole, has changed markedly since the 40's. It's just that the extremists living in the 7th century happen to be the most highly visible at the moment.

So you're insinuating that islam is a more peaceful religion than Christianity? Please excuse while I cough up a lung laughing.

And if we are going down that road, then is Buddhism or Shinto evil and comparable with Nazism because the Japanese in the 40's loosely allied themselves with Germany in the 40's? I mean, they obviously haven't changed their ways coz, like Aum Shinrikyo was an extremist Buddhist cult who committed terrorism in the name of religion and obviously speak for all the hundreds of millions of Buddhists on the planet...

Dude, Aum Shinrikyo has like, 2000 members. There were a lot more than 2000 muslims burning stuff down lately.

I wasn't aware that Hitler was fucking Stalin, but that's beside the point.

I take it from this post that you know no Ukranians (from your other posts I've taken you a nincompoop - with emphasis on the poop). If you said that to most Ukrainians, you'd be lucky to escape unscathed.
You obviously have no idea what the Nazis did to Ukraine. Of all the ones I know personally, not one of them didn't have at least one family member killed by the Nazis during WWII. I know one who between him and his wife lost more than a dozen close family members.
I'd love you to go up to him and say you'd much rather Hitler in the Ukraine than Stalin.




I think KP's above post shows, if any more proof was needed, he hasn't a clue. Not one. Not one fucking clue. Zero. Completely abso-fucking-lutely deficient in the clue department. If he wasn't such an arse I'd feel sorry for him.

Actually, I'm half-Ukrainian, on my father's side. My father and his mother both maintain that Hitler had the right idea. Not about the Holocaust and persecusion, but most of the things.

So you're insinuating that islam is a more peaceful religion than Christianity? Please excuse while I cough up a lung laughing.

I think it somewhat silly to argue either way, but the historical case can be made.

Dude, Aum Shinrikyo has like, 2000 members. There were a lot more than 2000 muslims burning stuff down lately.

Dude, Islam is the second most popular faith in the world with over a billion adherents.

Actually, I'm half-Ukrainian, on my father's side. My father and his mother both maintain that Hitler had the right idea. Not about the Holocaust and persecusion, both most of the things.

This explains a lot about your beliefs.

Dude, Islam is the second most popular faith in the world with over a billion adherents.

And most of them need to put down the AK and take a fucking chill pill.

I think it somewhat silly to argue either way, but the historical case can be made.
It is quite silly to to argue.

Actually, I'm half-Ukrainian, on my father's side. My father and his mother both maintain that Hitler had the right idea. Not about the Holocaust and persecusion, both most of the things.

About putting women back to their much-loved role as birthing machines and houseslaves?
Or about the idea that blond hair and blue eyes constitute a "race"?
Or about outdated, oversimplified art and architecture?
Or about the Jews trying to maintain world domination?
Or about what else?

About putting women back to their much-loved role as birthing machines and houseslaves?
Or about the idea that blond hair and blue eyes constitute a "race"?
Or about outdated, oversimplified art and architecture?
Or about the Jews trying to maintain world domination?
Or about what else?

Well, I think they just liked the order and society. My dad told me that you could leave your bike in the street for a year and it'd still be there.

So you're insinuating that islam is a more peaceful religion than Christianity? Please excuse while I cough up a lung laughing.





No, I'm not insinuating that any religion is peaceful. I am trying to point out that Islam has actually changed far more since 1940 than Christianity has. Furthermore, your logic would suggest that Buddhism is a war-like religion, at least as war-like as Islam.

Dude, Aum Shinrikyo has like, 2000 members. There were a lot more than 2000 muslims burning stuff down lately.

The percentage of Buddhists in Japan who were Aum members can be compared with the percentage of Muslims who adhere to extremism.

My dad told me that you could leave your bike in the street for a year and it'd still be there.
If that's all you want, Mariehamn is your place.

http://www.mariehamn.aland.fi/

Well, I think they just liked the order and society. My dad told me that you could leave your bike in the street for a year and it'd still be there.

To ascribe THAT to Hitler is really ignorant beyond belief.....

You could do the same thing in Germany up to the late 70s, it simply has to do with the fact that society has grown much more anonymus ever since, therefore people don't react to crimes like that in the same way any more.

And most of them need to put down the AK and take a fucking chill pill.

Not most.

And your threats will definitely help convince them.

No, I'm not insinuating that any religion is peaceful. I am trying to point out that Islam has actually changed far more since 1940 than Christianity has.

If islam's changed, it's because they've moved up from the 7th Century to the 9th Century. Which doesn't really help when the rest of us are in the 21st Century.

was that photoshopped??? If not someone owes me a freakin apology for saying ...Actually, your Birth Doctor probably owes you an apology.

If islam's changed, it's because they've moved up from the 7th Century to the 9th Century. Which doesn't really help when the rest of us are in the 21st Century.
Please, mate, please read the link. I'm serious.

Please, mate, please read the link. I'm serious.

I skimmed through it. What I got was "This guy was nice, so all muslims are nice!" Yay.

If islam's changed, it's because they've moved up from the 7th Century to the 9th Century. Which doesn't really help when the rest of us are in the 21st Century.

While a large majority of the Christians I know still want to burn witches at the stake. I'm actually serious here.

When was the last witch burning K-P?

While a large majority of the Christians I know still want to burn witches at the stake. I'm actually serious here.

When was the last witch burning K-P?

A long time ago. You know why? Because we're in the 21st Century.

I skimmed through it. What I got was "This guy was nice, so all muslims are nice!" Yay.

If you read the damn thread in detail and not attack it, you might learn something about Islam that isn't rhetoric and racist assumptions - learn that it is only a tiny percentage of Muslims that cause trouble.

I skimmed through it. What I got was "This guy was nice, so all muslims are nice!" Yay.
!?!

Skim again. It's written by an Israeli right-winger who has lost friends and acquaintances to terrorism, and an Indian guy who sees his country under attack by Muslim fanatics every day for decades now. They are everything but what you would expect to be Muslim appologists.

The whole idea of the thing was to make appologists see that there is something inherent in some forms of Islam which is against the West, regardless of what we may have done to them at some point, to illustrate that not all of the blame can be placed on our imperialism.

I was actually wondering whether it might be dangerous to give something of that magnitude to someone of your disposition towards the religion, but apparently, I needn't have worried, because you can't be bothered to read.

If you read the damn thread in detail and not attack it, you might learn something about Islam that isn't rhetoric and racist assumptions - learn that it is only a tiny percentage of Muslims that cause trouble.

I disagree. And nothing you say can change that. So stop trying.

A long time ago. You know why? Because we're in the 21st Century.

Evidently, Christians have some catching up to do.

I disagree. And nothing you say can change that. So stop trying.

No. Because if I stop trying, then you, and everything you stand for wins. And if your kind wins, then all sort of shit starts happening and the decent people either become passive or turn into you. Ignorance and fear overcomes peacefulness and actual knowledge, and then there is nothing left.

I disagree. And nothing you say can change that. So stop trying.

You see, Skinny87, forcing K-P to face actual facts might cause irreparable and physical damage to their brain cells. The brain has no doubt atrophied from lack of use.

Evidently, Christians have some catching up to do.

Heh. Christian. RIGHT.

No. Because if I stop trying, then you, and everything you stand for wins.

Sooo... we don't like free speech, free thought and the right to ride on the subway with the fear if being blown up?

Heh. Christian. RIGHT.

Well, you see, there's Christians that bomb abortion clinics, and there's Christians that bombed Oklahoma city, and there's Christians who want to burn witches at the stake.

Don't see much difference.

You see, Skinny87, forcing K-P to face actual facts might cause irreparable and physical damage to their brain cells. The brain has no doubt atrophied from lack of use.

What facts? I see 40% of of British muslims in favour of a sharia Britain, and I see Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-islamic Relations saying that he hopes the US becomes islamic sometime in the future. I don't believe what I read. I believe what I see and hear.

I note you dodge answering about the Church's complicity with Hitler directly.


I was only referring to the outspring of the Arian-race nonsense, the SS had some pretty obscure rituals coming from nordic mytologi.

As for the churchs complicity with Hitler, please enlighten me


Greetings

Sooo... we don't like free speech, free thought and the right to ride on the subway with the fear if being blown up?

From what I read from you so far, you would only promote free thought and free speech as long as the views coincide with your own.
And nobody has a right to do anything without fear, as that is a right that couldn't be guaranteed or legally protected in the best immaginable circumstances.

What facts? I see 40% of of British muslims in favour of a sharia Britain, and I see Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-islamic Relations saying that he hopes the US becomes islamic sometime in the future. I don't believe what I read. I believe what I see and hear.

40% of British Muslims say this. A minority wish this to be so, but it will never happen. I suspect 40% of Cornish people want Cornwall to secede from Great Britain, but I don't see that happening, either. The CAIR is an extremist group - just like there are extremist Christian and Jewish groups that call for similar things.

A minority does not make every Muslim a criminal and Islam a non-peaceful religion.

What facts? I see 40% of of British muslims in favour of a sharia Britain, and I see Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-islamic Relations saying that he hopes the US becomes islamic sometime in the future. I don't believe what I read. I believe what I see and hear.

You actually saw 40% of Muslims saying that they are in favour of the Sharia in Britain? You saw every single one of them saying just that?

Or did you just read that, like the rest of us?

Well, you see, there's Christians that bomb abortion clinics,

What, all 3 of them?

and there's Christians that bombed Oklahoma city,

Once again, an isolated incident. Unlike continuous attacks from islam.

and there's Christians who want to burn witches at the stake.

They talk, but do they walk? I think not.

Don't see much difference.

You need to have those cataracts removed.

What facts? I see 40% of of British muslims in favour of a sharia Britain, and I see Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-islamic Relations saying that he hopes the US becomes islamic sometime in the future. I don't believe what I read. I believe what I see and hear.

You see them? What, without writing or speaking, 40% of British Muslims managed to communicate to you visually that they were in favour of Sharia law? Ibrahim Hooper knows sign language?

On a more serious note, you don't see 40% of British Muslims. You see 40% of the sample of British Muslims apparently wanting sharia law in England, under certain circumstances.

Lee Kwan Yew wants Australia to be an Asian nation. He has said it numerous times. Are you at all concerned about this? Or is it just Muslims that you concentrate your racism at?

What, all 3 of them?



Once again, an isolated incident. Unlike continuous attacks from islam.



They talk, but do they walk? I think not.



You need to have those cataracts removed.


Good god, there is no difference. The Islamic fundamentalists are just more vocal - and you help them by spreading crap like this, turning peace-loving Muslims towards the fundamentalists when they think all others are like you.

From what I read from you so far, you would only promote free thought and free speech as long as the views coincide with your own.
And nobody has a right to do anything without fear, as that is a right that couldn't be guaranteed or legally protected in the best immaginable circumstances.

I promote free though and speech for people who aren't PSYCHOTS.

Lee Kwan Yew wants Australia to be an Asian nation. He has said it numerous times. Are you at all concerned about this? Or is it just Muslims that you concentrate your racism at?

I like asians. Because they're fucking MODERN. You know, civilised and shit? Capable of conversation without slitting your throat if you disagree with them?

Good god, there is no difference. The Islamic fundamentalists are just more vocal - and you help them by spreading crap like this, turning peace-loving Muslims towards the fundamentalists when they think all others are like you.

Yes, there is a difference. Christians don't have Madrid, London, 9/11 and two Balis under their belts.

You actually saw 40% of Muslims saying that they are in favour of the Sharia in Britain? You saw every single one of them saying just that?

Or did you just read that, like the rest of us?

Actually, I heard it on BBC. I think. Mighta been some other channel.

I promote free though and speech for people who aren't PSYCHOTS.

Muslims are not psycho's. The vocal minority is

I promote free though and speech for people who aren't PSYCHOTS.

And what would be a sign to identify someone as "psychot"? The making up of words, maybe?

Yes, there is a difference. Christians don't have Madrid, London, 9/11 and two Balis under their belts.
Neither do Muslims.

Al Qaeda does. Which brings us back the the god-damned link you're supposed to read.

Muslims are not psycho's. The vocal minority is

It's a freaking big minority then. Too big.

Actually, I heard it on BBC. I think. Mighta been some other channel.

So you do believe in what you get told by secondary sources and statistics, as long as they fit in with what you want to believe?

Neither do Muslims.

Al Qaeda does. Which brings us back the the god-damned link you're supposed to read.

It's a good point. But don't forget; by his own admission he never reads anything - because that might challenge his racist and xenophobic views. So unless you televise it, he'll never learn, because reading might challenge his perceptions.

And what would be a sign to identify someone as "psychot"? The making up of words, maybe?

If you're implying that psychot is made up, it probably is. But there's chaot, right? Chaotic to chaot, psychotic to psychot.

It's a freaking big minority then. Too big.

No, it isn't. It's tiny but extremely loud and noticeable - and by hatem,ongering you only make it louder.

Neither do Muslims.

Al Qaeda does. Which brings us back the the god-damned link you're supposed to read.

And why does Al-Qaeda exist? Why don't so-called moderate muslims do something about it? 'Cause they don't wanna, that's why.

If you're implying that psychot is made up, it probably is. But there's chaot, right? Chaotic to chaot, psychotic to psychot.

Generalising again? There's psychotic, and there is the colloquial term psycho. Psychot simply doesn't exist.

No, it isn't. It's tiny but extremely loud and noticeable - and by hatem,ongering you only make it louder.

Good. I'll make it so loud is pierces your eardrums. And then you'll see. You will see or you will die. From them, not me.

Yes, there is a difference. Christians don't have Madrid, London, 9/11 and two Balis under their belts.What is the total death toll for that?

Generalising again? There's psychotic, and there is the colloquial term psycho. Psychot simply doesn't exist.

Well, my word is awesome, and I'll keep using it.

What is the total death toll for that?

At least three and a half thousand.

Good. I'll make it so loud is pierces your eardrums. And then you'll see. You will see or you will die. From them, not me.

You don't make it louder, you ignore it, Ignore it like a child's tantrum and it goes away - they realise they cannot win. You're playing directly into the fanatics hands by hatemongering - so they can point to Westerners like you and say "There, see? The infidels hate us and attack us and spread lies about us!" And then the moderate see you and worry, and when they worry they are placated by the fanatics whop gain another recruit.

You don't make it louder, you ignore it, Ignore it like a child's tantrum and it goes away - they realise they cannot win. You're playing directly into the fanatics hands by hatemongering - so they can point to Westerners like you and say "There, see? The infidels hate us and attack us and spread lies about us!" And then the moderate see you and worry, and when they worry they are placated by the fanatics whop gain another recruit.


IGNORE IT! Hey, yes! That worked EXCELLENT for the French!

"Let us ignore ze evil Zhermans! That vill surely bring us victoree. Hey, vat's zat sound?"

"DIE FAHNE HOCH!"

Yes, there is a difference. Christians don't have Madrid, London, 9/11 and two Balis under their belts.At least three and a half thousand.Some will tell you that The US "Christian Coalition"(Mostly Bible Belt) Is responsible for The rise of the Chimp.. Which carries a 100000 (death toll) price Tag.

And why does Al-Qaeda exist? Why don't so-called moderate muslims do something about it? 'Cause they don't wanna, that's why.
What are they supposed to do?

Demonstrate (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/10/AR2005111001796.html)? Done that.
Outlaw it? Done that.
Keep repeating that AQ does not represent them? Done that.
Condemn terrorism? Done that.

You just don't wanna listen, that's the problem.

IGNORE IT! Hey, yes! That worked EXCELLENT for the French!

"Let us ignore ze evil Zhermans! That vill surely bring us victoree. Hey, vat's zat sound?"

"DIE FAHNE HOCH!"

You are confusing a conflict between nations (or traditional war) with a conflict between cultures or ideologies. The first can be won by confrontation, the second one, especially when fought with terror/guerilla strategy, will not provide any possiblity for direct confrontation.

IGNORE IT! Hey, yes! That worked EXCELLENT for the French!
That just reeks of ignorance. Let me repost the wiki article on Fall Gelb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Gelb).

Some will tell you that The US "Christian Coalition"(Mostly Bible Belt) Is responsible for The rise of the Chimp.. Which carries a 100000 (death toll) price Tag.

What the hell is the Rise of the Chimp?

What are they supposed to do?

Demonstrate (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/10/AR2005111001796.html)? Done that.
Outlaw it? Done that.
Keep repeating that AQ does not represent them? Done that.
Condemn terrorism? Done that.

You just don't wanna listen, that's the problem.

Umm... fucking arrest the damn terrorists? I'm talking about muslims countries, here?

What the hell is the Rise of the Chimp?

*Sighs*

The election of Bush as US President. OD2, you're at the beginning of a good point about Christian fundamentalists causing far more casualties. If you just dropped the political ranting for a second, you might actually get K-P to listen to it.

Do Pakistanis always protest in English?

That just reeks of ignorance. Let me repost the wiki article on Fall Gelb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Gelb).

How does that reek of ignorance? The Nazis were "hitchiking" through Europe and the French ignored it until they got their asses handed to them. Shouldn't have ignored it.

Umm... fucking arrest the damn terrorists? I'm talking about muslims countries, here?

Sure, because they all have a criminal record before and can easily be identified and arrested...
:rolleyes:

Yeah. And if Hitler succeeded he probably would've got rid of muslims and then all non-christians. But we beat him. But shouldn't they say "Allah bless hitler"?

That just reeks of ignorance. Let me repost the wiki article on Fall Gelb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Gelb).

The French fought long and hard against the Germans and did the best they did. You can't compare the Invasion of France with this current culture clash - the two ideas are incompatible.

*Sighs*

The election of Bush as US President. OD2, you're at the beginning of a good point about Christian fundamentalists causing far more casualties. If you just dropped the political ranting for a second, you might actually get K-P to listen to it.

1) That's just stupid. Said deaths are not intentional. Shit happens in war.

2) It's a two-party system, and Kerry was a fucking stooge. I'd vote for Bush too.

Sure, because they all have a criminal record before and can easily be identified and arrested...
:rolleyes:

syria and iran just harbour motherfuckers. If that's not support, I dunno what is.

Umm... fucking arrest the damn terrorists? I'm talking about muslims countries, here?
Okay, so you blame the opportunism of corrupt (usually quite secular) and oppressive regimes in the Middle East on the prevalent religion of the population?

Yeah. And if Hitler succeeded he probably would've got rid of muslims and then all non-christians. But we beat him. But shouldn't they say "Allah bless hitler"?

Nah, Hitler liked muslims. At least as far as he got. If he won Europe, maybe we'd see different.

The French fought long and hard against the Germans and did the best they did. You can't compare the Invasion of France with this current culture clash - the two ideas are incompatible.

If that's the best the French could do, I'm starting to think that I could do this commanding thing.

Okay, so you blame the opportunism of corrupt (usually quite secular) and oppressive regimes in the Middle East on the prevalent religion of the population?

Yup. And I'd hardly call iran secular.

But shouldn't they say "Allah bless hitler"?
No, because allah is not a name. It's just the word for "god" in Arabic.

Islam has the same god as Judaism and Christianity. They only believe that both Jews and Christians misinterpreted the revelations given to them, and that they miss the final piece of info that was handed down to Mohammed.

They generally consider both Moses and Jesus prophets, although, like the Jews they don't believe Jesus actually was god.

If that's the best the French could do, I'm starting to think that I could do this commanding thing.

That is not only arrogant, but xenophobic and historically ignorant. The French armed forces put up a valiant fight against an military that had better weapons, personnel and tactics than they did, and they fought on for as long as they could. Hundreds of thousands died in the invasion, and all for their country. Even when the invasion was over, the resistance continued for four years against the occupiers.

Yup. And I'd hardly call iran secular.
And I'd hardly call it Sunni either. Which makes the point about Al Qaeda irrelevant in this case, especially considering that Zarqawi has declared a war on Shi'a Islam in Iraq.

No, because allah is not a name. It's just the word for "god" in Arabic.

Islam has the same god as Judaism and Christianity. They only believe that both Jews and Christians misinterpreted the revelations given to them, and that they miss the final piece of info that was handed down to Mohammed.

They generally consider both Moses and Jesus prophets, although, like the Jews they don't believe Jesus actually was god.

Neither do christians. They just believe he was the son of god. Although, in today's society, Mary could sue god for rape.

God must haver had sex with mary to concive. And she can't remember ever having sex so...

Lawsuit

That is not only arrogant, but xenophobic and historically ignorant. The French armed forces put up a valiant fight against an military that had better weapons, personnel and tactics than they did, and they fought on for as long as they could. Hundreds of thousands died in the invasion, and all for their country. Even when the invasion was over, the resistance continued for four years against the occupiers.

My friend, the French had more men, more guns, and more and better tanks. The Germans had barely better small arms, but considerably more aircraft. And when the invasion was over, the French has 1.2 million troops left to become PoWs.

dp

Neither do christians. They just believe he was the son of god.
That's one of those things I never understood about Christianity. The whole Holy Trinity and all that, and Jesus being god and the son of god at the same time...
:confused:

Neither do christians. They just believe he was the son of god. Although, in today's society, Mary could sue god for rape.

God must haver had sex with mary to concive. And she can't remember ever having sex so...

Lawsuit

Actually, Jesus is the Son of God, and one with God. So he's God, but not. It's long and confusing.

My friend, the French had more men, more guns, and more and better tanks. The Germans had barely better small arms, but considerably more aircraft. And when the invasion was over, the French has 1.2 million troops left to become PoWs.

I never said they had less than the Germans. The French believed, like most of Europe, that they would be fighting a conflict little more advanced than the last years of the First World War - thus the creation of the Maginot Line amongst others. The same applied to the political leaders as well as their military leaders as well. The Germans had excellent weapons and more importantly tactics that completely bewildered the French - and allied - forces, going against everything they thought they would be fighting. Blitzkrieg tactics and poor communication, coupled with an often insecure and unstable political leadershup was what lost the French the Battle of France, not their poor fighting skills.

2) It's a two-party system, and Kerry was a fucking stooge. I'd vote for Bush too.The Death toll was already close to 100000 BEFORE the Kerry Swiftboating1) Said deaths are not intentional. Shit happens in war.That War did not need to happen.

My friend, the French had more men, more guns, and more and better tanks. The Germans had barely better small arms, but considerably more aircraft. And when the invasion was over, the French has 1.2 million troops left to become PoWs.
And if you read the wiki-entry, you'll understand how that could happen. Indeed, the French soldier did fight as hard as was possible, it was just their leadership which was outmaneuvred and their allies (by which I mean to say Britain) which were a little bit less effective than they would have hoped for.

Plus, I believe it was the Brits' idea to start moving troops into the Benelux, which were then suddenly missing from where it mattered.

Nonetheless, it's time for me to log off. Good night - and please take the time and read the Islamism Study Thread.

I never said they had less than the Germans. The French believed, like most of Europe, that they would be fighting a conflict little more advanced than the last years of the First World War - thus the creation of the Maginot Line amongst others. The same applied to the political leaders as well as their military leaders as well. The Germans had excellent weapons and more importantly tactics that completely bewildered the French - and allied - forces, going against everything they thought they would be fighting. Blitzkrieg tactics and poor communication, coupled with an often insecure and unstable political leadershup was what lost the French the Battle of France, not their poor fighting skills.

One of the reasons they lost so quickly was because they didn't expect the Germans to come into southern France, and expected them to attack through the Low Countries. See, I'd know to protect my own borders better.

Actually, Jesus is the Son of God, and one with God. So he's God, but not. It's long and confusing.

I once got a detention for calling god a schizophrenic when my teacher told me that.

But seriously, how can god, jesus and the holy spirit be god, when god is both seperate and collective with them?

God is a schizophrenic.

That War did not need to happen.

I agree. But we're there now, so it's too late for Kerry to promise to pull out. We can NOT pull out.

One of the reasons they lost so quickly was because they didn't expect the Germans to come into southern France, and expected them to attack through the Low Countries. See, I'd know to protect my own borders better.

Hindsight makes the perfect General. The French had no reason to believe in an attack from the Southern regions, and even if they did their political masters would never have allowed such an agressive move - which is why the Maginot Line never extended into Belgium, for example.

I agree. But we're there now, so it's too late for Kerry to promise to pull out. We can NOT pull out.

No, neither can we British. We didn't want to go to war, but had to because Bliar was brown nosing Dubya.

I think they're getting married next month.

I once got a detention for calling god a schizophrenic when my teacher told me that.

But seriously, how can god, jesus and the holy spirit be god, when god is both seperate and collective with them?

God is a schizophrenic.

I like to think of it as three beings, one life force. Like that movie Dragonheart.

Good film. I still prefer to think of go, if there is one, as schizophrenic.

And he's a rapist too.

Hindsight makes the perfect General. The French had no reason to believe in an attack from the Southern regions, and even if they did their political masters would never have allowed such an agressive move - which is why the Maginot Line never extended into Belgium, for example.

I think it's a case of military tactics getting to the point where generals forget the basics; you should always give your direct borders with the enemy some tough protection, even if they seem impenetrable. Because the enemy will be using reverse psychology to try and find a way through and hope you won't be there.

Good film. I still prefer to think of go, if there is one, as schizophrenic.

And he's a rapist too.

Well, in the story-thingy I've concocted, the Christian god cleverly splits himself into 3 to make himself harder to kill. Yes, he's a villain.

I like asians. Because they're fucking MODERN. You know, civilised and shit? Capable of conversation without slitting your throat if you disagree with them?

And yet ... the vast majority of the world's Muslims are Asian. You must be conflicted.

If that's all you want, Mariehamn is your place.

http://www.mariehamn.aland.fi/


That place almost looks scary, too quiet and peacefull

Still, he can't be pure. Because if he's omnipresent, that must mean he's in every changing room, every bedroom, every porn shop, every back alley.

God's a paedo. And since he's omnipresent he could be touching anyone up without them knowing.

I'm scared.

And yet ... the vast majority of the world's Muslims are Asian. You must be conflicted.

I mean, slightly more north asians. Like Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese and non-muslims Filos.

Still, he can't be pure. Because if he's omnipresent, that must mean he's in every changing room, every bedroom, every porn shop, every back alley.

God's a paedo. And since he's omnipresent he could be touching anyone up without them knowing.

I'm scared.

Well... my Christian god character isn't omnipresent. Just an omnijerk.

I mean, slightly more north asians. Like Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese and non-muslims Filos.

And what makes you think none of them are Muslim?

Again, you must be terribly conflicted.

And what makes you think none of them are Muslim?

Again, you must be terribly conflicted.

Most aren't. Vietnamese and Chinese are mostly Buddhist and I'm not sure about Japanese but they're definitely not muslims.

Most aren't. Vietnamese and Chinese are mostly Buddhist and I'm not sure about Japanese but they're definitely not muslims.

Japan's Budhist too.


Well... my Christian god character isn't omnipresent. Just an omnijerk.

Regardless, do you think god's like a fairy? I don't believe in god, I don't, I don't.

Yeah,let's startchanting that.

I don't believe in god, I don't, I don't, I don't believe in god, I don't, I don't...

Japan's Budhist too.

Yeah, Buddhist and Shinto. But it seems to me that they're spiritual, but not really religious per se.

Regardless, do you think god's like a fairy? I don't believe in god, I don't, I don't.

I hope not, that'd fux up my story :(


Anyway, going to bed. I'll check this topic tomorrow and see how much of it I still agree with. Night.

Yeah, Buddhist and Shinto. But it seems to me that they're spiritual, but not really religious per se.



I hope not, that'd fux up my story :(


Anyway, going to bed. I'll check this topic tomorrow and see how much of it I still agree with. Night.

And say your prayers. Or god might touch you up.

Good film. I still prefer to think of (God), if there is one, as schizophrenic.

And he's a rapist too.Still, he can't be pure. Because if he's omnipresent, that must mean he's in every changing room, every bedroom, every porn shop, every back alley.

God's a paedo. And since he's omnipresent he could be touching anyone up without them knowing.

I'm scared.
#1 You are out of Topic (make your own -God sucks- thread)
#2 FlameBaiting.

Erm.. sorry. But I don't intend to turn it into a personal argument. So misinterpretation?

Erm.. sorry. But I don't intend to turn it into a personal argument. So misinterpretation?

That can't really be misinterpreted. Just stop writing along those lines and you should be fine.

Dude, Islam is the second most popular faith in the world with over a billion adherents.

So? Nearly all Germany voted Hitler into power. Mussolini was hugley popular ("You're the tops, You're the great Houdini, You're the tops, You're Muss-o-lini..." as the song used to go).

Popularity has nothing to do with it.

Just where were Arabs on Hitlers list?
Did he want to kill them or just enslave them?

Moslems were in the SS. That's where they were.

http://www.israel-wat.com/g8_eng.htm

Most aren't. Vietnamese and Chinese are mostly Buddhist and I'm not sure about Japanese but they're definitely not muslims.

There are quite a few Vietnamese, Chinese, and Japanese Muslims.

Japanese Muslim Information Office (http://www.isuramu.net/index.html)

Islamic Center of Japan (http://islamcenter.or.jp/)

China's Muslims information (http://www.islamicpopulation.com/china_muslim.html)

"There are in China 48,104,241 Mohammedan followers and 42,371 mosques."

Vietnam, you're fairly safe there. According to this (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35433.htm), approximately 0.1% of the 80 million population of Vietnam is Muslim.

Anyway, fact of the matter is, you don't know who is and isn't a Muslim by looking. We don't all wear disha-dasha and turbans. We don't all put burkhas on our wives and daughters. We don't all have scraggly beards and brown skin.

We're everywhere. Get used to it.

There are quite a few Vietnamese, Chinese, and Japanese Muslims.

Japanese Muslim Information Office (http://www.isuramu.net/index.html)

Islamic Center of Japan (http://islamcenter.or.jp/)

China's Muslims information (http://www.islamicpopulation.com/china_muslim.html)

"There are in China 48,104,241 Mohammedan followers and 42,371 mosques."

Vietnam, you're fairly safe there. According to this (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35433.htm), approximately 0.1% of the 80 million population of Vietnam is Muslim.

Anyway, fact of the matter is, you don't know who is and isn't a Muslim by looking. We don't all wear disha-dasha and turbans. We don't all put burkhas on our wives and daughters. We don't all have scraggly beards and brown skin.

We're everywhere. Get used to it.


Yes, even in the SS. http://www.israel-wat.com/g8_eng.htm#a2

Nice pics of their recruiter, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, friend of Hitler.

He wrote a booklet called "Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Iranians, Jews, and Flies.", which was later distributed by the Ministry of Education of Iraq.

If you look back a few pages, we covered this in depth. Just because extremeists were in an SS Division doesn't mean they're all fanatics and Western-haters. (Not saying you're saying this DK, just saying anyway)

Yes, even in the SS.

Nice pics of their recruiter, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, friend of Hitler.

Yes ... and? What does that have to do with Islam?

Lots of Arabs on an anti-Jewish bent. So what? That's an Arab thing, not a Muslim thing. Arabs are less than 13% of Muslims. Small minority.

Yes ... and? What does that have to do with Islam?

Lots of Arabs on an anti-Jewish bent. So what? That's an Arab thing, not a Muslim thing. Arabs are less than 13% of Muslims. Small minority.

It has everything to do with the Middle East, and any Muslim from the Middle East.

It has everything to do with the Middle East, and any Muslim from the Middle East.

Not really. Most Muslims in the Middle East aren't Arabs either. I'm even willing to bet that most Arabs, whether Muslim or not, aren't anti-Jew or anti-Israel.

Not really. Most Muslims in the Middle East aren't Arabs either. I'm even willing to bet that most Arabs, whether Muslim or not, aren't anti-Jew or anti-Israel.
I guess that explains why, if I travel to any Arab state, from Morocco all the way to Egypt, and Jordan and Syria and Saudi Arabia and Yemen, if I have an Israeli stamp in my US passport indicating that I've visited Israel as a tourist, I'll never be allowed in their country.

It's official Arab state policy.

It's even taught to Muslims as part of their religion (even though you may claim that only the Koran is Muslim - most Muslims believe in the Hadith and other documents as well). They can't wait until the day comes when the trees cry out, "hey, there's a Jew behind me, come kill him".

While you may keep yourself just to the Koran, most Muslims do not.

So? Nearly all Germany voted Hitler into power. Mussolini was hugley popular ("You're the tops, You're the great Houdini, You're the tops, You're Muss-o-lini..." as the song used to go).

Popularity has nothing to do with it.

Way to take what was said out of context.

We were specifically discussing the size of a religion relative to its number of extremists. And K-P was off on how many Buddhists there were. His logic failed him when it came to Islam.

Yes, even in the SS. http://www.israel-wat.com/g8_eng.htm#a2

Nice pics of their recruiter, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, friend of Hitler.

Gee, Who do think was more prevalent in SS -- muslims or Christians?

Hitler had lots of friends in high places -- including the U.S. and in many Christian organizations.

Your not winning any points with this mud-throwing.

wow looks like violence inherent in both sides. looks like we need another peaceful martyr so that we can all just chill and realize violence is wrong.No platform.

Education & tolerance does not work against wannabe-Nazis. It never has. The only thing that does work, is forcing them out of the communities.
When they go on the prowl, you should too. Don't allow the wankers to be a menace.
When they buy houses, make a permanent camp around them. Make them know that they're scum. Leave no doubt in their minds that they'll have more fun living on the north pole.

Those things work. Nothing else does.