NationStates Jolt Archive

Kebab is really good. Yes!

Kofte kebabs are my particular favourite

Kofte kebabs are my particular favourite

I just had kofte for my lunch. Yum!

I just had kofte for my lunch. Yum!
That settles it i am going to have Kofte for lunch!!!

Most of Europe has a huge shortage of oil...
Where do you have that one from?

I agree, I was all around Germany and a huge portion of their nation is dedicated to farming. If you go almost anywhere there you would be able to see tons of farmland.
It belongs into the picture. But in monetary terms, it's worth jack-shit.

Agriculture, forestry and fishing was 1.2% of GDP in 2001. For France, by the way, that number is 3.4%, not 20%.

For Turkey, it is 14.3%.

The entire discussion over membership for Turkey is absurd in so many ways. Europe has a border security problem. And uless we want to go bashing heads like the bad, old-fashioned, imperialist powers of yestercentury, we have to aid and support the countries along our frontier. And the best way - I would even argue that it is the only way - to do that is through a combination of foreign aid, security guarentees, and the promise - real, not just rethorical - of eventual membership.

What Europe needs to do is scrap the union we have and start over from a blank page, and do it properly this time. Incorporate, from the ground up, a transparent and democratic decisionmaking structure, institutional checks and balances, guarentees of civil liberties, adequate protection against fascism (be it Muslim, Catholic, or Protestant), a constitutional prohibition against wars of agression, transparent criteria for membership, and a crystal-clear process for obtaining membership, leaving the union, or being kicked out.

We do not need another old-fashioned empire with entrenched priviliges, fascist clergy in positions of power, double standards, and a more-or-less constant war going on along its frontiers.

We need a secular, democratic, transparent, and internationally-minded Europe. Because Europe doesn't just have to be there for our children. Preferably it should be around for their children's children as well. And if Poland, Ireland, Italy, or any of the other Inquisition-deniers who wanted to use the constitution to engage in historical revisionism doesn't like being in a secular union, well, no skin off my nose.

turkey was the first country that came with the proposal of less freedom for the press.

so basicly It wants to end one of our main freedoms that makes the EU as we know it today!

Need I say more?

turkey was the first country that came with the proposal of less freedom for the press.
When, where, how and why?

so basicly It wants to end one of our main freedoms that makes the EU as we know it today!
Need I say more?
Yes. Yes you do.

The entire discussion over membership for Turkey is absurd in so many ways...
That's a good post, although I'm not sure how bad the border security problem really is. If you asked me, I'd just open the borders completely for a while and see how that works out.

Would fix the ageing population in no time flat.

Except that religious parties are not allowed in the constitution, and that the Turks are pretty proud of that. They don't at all appreciate being thrown in the same pot as those "crazy Arabs" (true words spoken by a Turk, no shit).

The ruling AK party IS a religious party that remains cautious when it comes to religious stuff, mainly because the army already told them they'd intervene if they wanted to become radical.

The way i see it the majority of europeans i have spoken to do not want turkey to be a member, wether we are talking about germans, french, belgians, english etc etc..it is the politicians pushing for turkeys entry not the people.

The way i see it the majority of europeans i have spoken to do not want turkey to be a member, wether we are talking about germans, french, belgians, english etc etc..it is the politicians pushing for turkeys entry not the people.

Correct, I live near Brussels and survey's have revealed that a majority are against Turkey's EU membership.

Correct, I live near Brussels and survey's have revealed that a majority are against Turkey's EU membership.

Hence why Turkeys application will fail.

Absolutely no. Never. No no no.

Why?
-Dismal economy
-Entirely different culture, very different from the European one (and no, conquering certain European nations for a while does NOT make you European). Many would love to make the Ottoman Empire seem like some kind of multi-cultural paradise. Please. Get real. :)
-Terrible Human Rights record
-Illegal occupation of parts of and non-recognition of an EU member state
-Against the will of the majority of the EU citizenry; France and Netherlands rejected the Constitution partly because of disatisfaction of not having been allowed to vote on Turkey's entry. Again, this alone is enough to say no.
-Large Muslim population, many of which support hardline Islamic beliefs. With the current problems the EU is facing with some of its Muslim populations, exacerbating the problem is an idiotic policy. With its large population it could easily undermine core EU beliefs and erode EU ideological commitments.
-A historical enemy of Russia; Russia would distance itself even more from the EU should Turkey enter. Russia is valuable. Turkey is not. Want cheap labour? Russia has it. Want a large population boost? Again, Russia has it. Want vast resources? Russia. Russia needs to improve its democratic practices, but I would much rather see it than Turkey in the EU. Norway would also distance itself. Not a good idea.
-An American pawn. This alone would have me reject this Trojan Horse ab initio. Until it stops being an American pawn, it should never be allowed entry into the EU.

The EU's expansion is not limitless. Turkey should and, I hope, will not enter. If it does, moving to Norway seems to be a great option.

Absolutely no. Never. No no no.

Why?
-Dismal economy
-Entirely different culture, very different from the European one (and no, conquering certain European nations for a while does NOT make you European). Many would love to make the Ottoman Empire seem like some kind of multi-cultural paradise. Please. Get real. :)
-Terrible Human Rights record
-Illegal occupation of parts of and non-recognition of an EU member state
-Against the will of the majority of the EU citizenry; France and Netherlands rejected the Constitution partly because of disatisfaction of not having been allowed to vote on Turkey's entry. Again, this alone is enough to say no.
-Large Muslim population, many of which support hardline Islamic beliefs. With the current problems the EU is facing with some of its Muslim populations, exacerbating the problem is an idiotic policy. With its large population it could easily undermine core EU beliefs and erode EU ideological commitments.
-A historical enemy of Russia; Russia would distance itself even more from the EU should Turkey enter. Russia is valuable. Turkey is not. Want cheap labour? Russia has it. Want a large population boost? Again, Russia has it. Want vast resources? Russia. Russia needs to improve its democratic practices, but I would much rather see it than Turkey in the EU. Norway would also distance itself. Not a good idea.
-An American pawn. This alone would have me reject this Trojan Horse ab initio. Until it stops being an American pawn, it should never be allowed entry into the EU.

The EU's expansion is not limitless. Turkey should and, I hope, will not enter. If it does, moving to Norway seems to be a great option.

Agreed!! on every single point, russia would indeed be a better member, cannot see it happening but it would be better.

Agreed!! on every single point, russia would indeed be a better member, cannot see it happening but it would be better.
Yes, well Russia and its massive ego may one day realise that it could profit from joining the EU. I won't hold my breath, but in the distant future, you never know what may happen.

Yes, well Russia and its massive ego may one day realise that it could profit from joining the EU. I won't hold my breath, but in the distant future, you never know what may happen.

And then we can help them chrush the chechens.