NationStates Jolt Archive

I don't get it. What is your problem? If you don't like the EU, leave. There's plenty of countries outside the EU you can choose from...
Personally, I'm more than grateful for it's existance, as otherwise, I definitely wouldn't be here right now.
look. Since the ECSC was originally created for economic reasons, and the same thing goes for the EC (common market), the Maastricht treaty is not needed, as it is merely a step towards havind a superstate.

And I prefer where I live, as its more tolerant to the opinions of the vast majority, conservative, and sane.

See how well we see eye to eye? :p

I've got a brilliant idea... Swilatia would obviously be so much happier in your country, why not take him?

look. Since the ECSC was originally created for economic reasons, and the same thing goes for the EC (common market), the Maastricht treaty is not needed, as it is merely a step towards havind a superstate.

Again, that doesn't answer the question I asked you. If you hate it, why are you still there?

I've got a brilliant idea... Swilatia would obviously be so much happier in your country, why not take him?
Actually, did you not read the first post. like it was like "europe is better than america because it does not have bush." So i hate bush.

Another fine line between the Euros and the Americans. Just for the record, gay "rights" is a left-wing thing over here, by the way.

Anyway American soceity just does not want gay marriage, and a few gays whinning about it arnt going to change anything. Even some people who arnt republicans dont want gay marriage. And, in California about 5 years ago, the whole state actually voted to make gay marriage illegal, (although San Francisco conviently forgets this). California is, without a doubt, one of our most liberal states so that just goes to show.

I believe my post started with "And here we strike on the key difference between thought in Western Europe and thought outside it..." meaning I not only understand the difference between Europeans and Americans, I was pointing it out!


I know American society doesn't want gay marriage, I know its barred by law in a number of states - so what - the US isn't planning on joining the EU anytime soon, and I was pointing out to our Polish friend that gay marriage is one of the things thats part of the EU ethos. :cool:

Actually, did you not read the first post. like it was like "europe is better than america because it does not have bush." So i hate bush.

*lol
Is there anywhere on this planet you don't hate???

Actually, did you not read the first post. like it was like "europe is better than america because it does not have bush." So i hate bush.

Why do you hate Bush exactly? He's the posterboy for the brand of conservative, nationalistic, biggoted politics you seem to subscribe to.




And you still haven't elaborated on your gay rights stand except to say its "stupid" and "left-wing"

*lol
Is there anywhere on this planet you don't hate???
Europe.

Have you ever even been to Western Europe Swilatia?

I've got a brilliant idea... Swilatia would obviously be so much happier in your country, why not take him?

Eh...I read somewhere that the majority of White American's families come from Germany (Including my own)....So, I dont think a pole would do too well over here....:p

Just kidding, no I dont think we will take him as he doesnt like America either.

I hear Dr Moreau has this whole island for oddballs...

Sica']I believe my post started with "And here we strike on the key difference between thought in Western Europe and thought outside it..." meaning I not only understand the difference between Europeans and Americans, I was pointing it out!


I know American society doesn't want gay marriage, I know its barred by law in a number of states - so what - the US isn't planning on joining the EU anytime soon, and I was pointing out to our Polish friend that gay marriage is one of the things thats part of the EU ethos. :cool:

Got it, sorry for the misunderstanding my Euro friend, what country are you from?

Europe.

Well, that's where the EU happens to be...

Sica']Why do you hate Bush exactly? He's the posterboy for the brand of conservative, nationalistic, biggoted politics you seem to subscribe to.

Whooooo go Bush!

*Waves confederacy flag*

No! Just kidding! Sort of!

I am a westerner (Californian) so I dont wave confederate flags, although I do love the President and what he stands for.

Well, that's where the EU happens to be...
Yes, but to be fair, as the thread title implies, the EU =/= Europe.
...or do you really want to make me homeless? ;)

Europe.

I dont think Poland and Europe are synonyms....It seems to me the only place in the world you like is Poland....which is a bit odd seeing as how, well, blatantly put, Poland blows, lol.

Well, that's where the EU happens to be...
so.

Whooooo go Bush!

*Waves confederacy flag*

No! Just kidding! Sort of!

I am a westerner (Californian) so I dont wave confederate flags, although I do love the President and what he stands for.

But the confederate flag waving is the best part!

YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I messed around with my profile settings which means my location should now be visible. If not, RULE BRITANNIA!

Sica']Why do you hate Bush exactly? He's the posterboy for the brand of conservative, nationalistic, biggoted politics you seem to subscribe to.




And you still haven't elaborated on your gay rights stand except to say its "stupid" and "left-wing"
Actually, I oppose bushs pro-spying attitude, adn his illegal war.

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*Waves confederacy flag*
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Snipers, move in!
Take 'em down! Destroy the crazy racist scum!:sniper:

so.

Great comeback dude. You've really have got to the heart of his point and eloquently knocked it for six.

Actually, I oppose bushs pro-spying attitude, adn his illegal war.

But the spying is only done to protect US national interests, which surely you, as an ardent nationalist cannot disagree with.

Ditto goes for the war.

Sica']But the spying is only done to protect US national interests, Ditto goes for the war.
And aren't we all sick of the irony now?

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However, europe is rhreatened by the EU, and the EU most be stopped.
You have it the other way round. Europe is threatened without the EU. Individual nation-states do not have the economic power to withstand competition from the US, China and Russia for too long. Their economies are also too tightly connected with the EU to exit it now without suffering consequences. The EU has stopped wars among the countries within it and its becoming a major economic power. Thus, its a form of protection for its nations. Its about time all the European nations united into one powerful supernation. The EU pools knowledge, labour and so on. So absolutely no, Europe is not threatened by the EU.

Yes, the EU needs reform, yes it needs to get its act together, NO it does not need to disband. :headbang: It needs to revise the bloody Constitution and put it to Referendum again. THEN Europe will be powerful.

I love the superbowl

You have it the other way round. Europe is threatened without the EU. Individual nation-states do not have the economic power to withstand competition from the US, China and Russia for too long. Their economies are also too tightly connected with the EU to exit it now without suffering consequences. The EU has stopped wars among the countries within it and its becoming a major economic power. Thus, its a form of protection for its nations. Its about time all the European nations united into one powerful supernation. The EU pools knowledge, labour and so on. So absolutely no, Europe is not threatened by the EU.

Yes, the EU needs reform, yes it needs to get its act together, NO it does not need to disband. :headbang: It needs to revise the bloody Constitution and put it to Referendum again. THEN Europe will be powerful.

HEAR HEAR!

Snipers, move in!
Take 'em down! Destroy the crazy racist scum!:sniper:

Actually, contrary to popular beleif, the confederate flag does not stand for racism. It stands for Southern pride. Many kids in my schools have confederate flags on their trucks, some who are even of hispanic background. The reason I dont have a confederate flag is because even though I live in South Florida right now, I'm not a Southerner, I'm from California, so I'm a Westerner. Otherwise, I would be flying a confederate flag.

You have it the other way round. Europe is threatened without the EU. Individual nation-states do not have the economic power to withstand competition from the US, China and Russia for too long. Their economies are also too tightly connected with the EU to exit it now without suffering consequences. The EU has stopped wars among the countries within it and its becoming a major economic power. Thus, its a form of protection for its nations. Its about time all the European nations united into one powerful supernation. The EU pools knowledge, labour and so on. So absolutely no, Europe is not threatened by the EU.

Yes, the EU needs reform, yes it needs to get its act together, NO it does not need to disband. :headbang: It needs to revise the bloody Constitution and put it to Referendum again. THEN Europe will be powerful.

Yup. Basically unless your from Norway or Switzerland, theres really no logical reason to oppose the EU, unless you wish to witness the downfall of your country.

Yup. Basically unless your from Norway or Switzerland, theres really no logical reason to oppose the EU, unless you wish to witness the downfall of your country.
Even they will eventually want to join. Norway, and I think Switzerland, have preferential deals with the EU, so they gain partial benefits from it. Norway relies on oil wealth, and unless it can secure more of this, it will need to find other ways to expand its wealth to prevent its collapse. Joining the EU wouldn't make sense right now, but it would later, especially when the EU reforms itself.

Anyone know if Monaco and Liechtenstein are in the EU?

Look I am an American. But I think that America should support the EU. America and Europe need to stay close. Also we both could learn alot from eachother.

Anyone know if Monaco and Liechtenstein are in the EU?
Neither of them are in.
edit: Liechtenstein is an EEA member state though.

Yes, but to be fair, as the thread title implies, the EU =/= Europe.
...or do you really want to make me homeless? ;)

True. But you can't have one without the other, so either you'll come to terms with the EU one way or another, or else you'll have to find another place, one that's EU free, if it bothers you this much.

The EU is the future of Europe. A common trading zone with a standardized currency that allows free movement between its member nations is a windfall in terms of the economic, cultural, political, and social development the come with easier interaction between nations.

It may not be perfect, but it is a vast improvement over the system that existed prior to its inception. The expansion of the EU enables the nations of Europe to take responsibility and action for maintaining and expanding the economic opportunities of its member states as well as determining a central policy to address the issues of each member state in to the future.

Hopefully, the EU is the beginning of an evolution towards a global organization.
Or towards Orwellian Evils (Woot! It rhymes):cool:

Sica']But the spying is only done to protect US national interests, which surely you, as an ardent nationalist cannot disagree with.

Actually, nothing will make me support it. Its a violation of the right to privacy.

You have it the other way round. Europe is threatened without the EU. Individual nation-states do not have the economic power to withstand competition from the US, China and Russia for too long. Their economies are also too tightly connected with the EU to exit it now without suffering consequences. The EU has stopped wars among the countries within it and its becoming a major economic power. Thus, its a form of protection for its nations. Its about time all the European nations united into one powerful supernation. The EU pools knowledge, labour and so on. So absolutely no, Europe is not threatened by the EU.

Yes, the EU needs reform, yes it needs to get its act together, NO it does not need to disband. :headbang: It needs to revise the bloody Constitution and put it to Referendum again. THEN Europe will be powerful.
Atually, I think that the EU should cease. If the whole pupose was to simply improve economies (because it was), then the Eu should cease and they should insted just have a common market, like they did before the passing of the Maastricht treaty.

I love the superbowl
Maybe because you are american. Nobody who from anywhere else watches the superbowl.

Maybe because you are american. Nobody who from anywhere else watches the superbowl.
Why do you keep on complaining about the superbowl. You don't have to watch it you know...If you don't like it just turn off your tv.

If you don't like it just turn off your tv.
If the stations even carry it. They didn't here. :(

Why do you keep on complaining about the superbowl. You don't have to watch it you know...If you don't like it just turn off your tv.
Actually, they don't even show it on polish television.

Actually, they don't even show it on polish television.
Oh you were just searching something to complain about...I see...

Oh you were just searching something to complain about...I see...
No, I was not. The thing is that americans are so crazy about it that my face hurts from it.

No, I was not. The thing is that americans are so crazy about it that my face hurts from it.
Its our sport man! Its our sport!

We can be pretty irritating too when there's an important soccer match on tv...i mean some people can be...i'm not really a soccerfan myself

We can be pretty irritating too when there's an important soccer match on tv...i mean some people can be...i'm not really a soccerfan myself
Its called football.

Its our sport man! Its our sport!
so???

Its called football.
:rolleyes: I just said soccer to make sure there wouldn't be a misunderstanding...I know it's football.

:rolleyes: I just said soccer to make sure there wouldn't be a misunderstanding...I know it's football.
look. You did not have to say soccer.

so???
I really admire the way you argue, you're really making a statement...*sarcastic*

look. You did not have to say soccer.
Is it a crime to call it soccer?

I really admire the way you argue, you're really making a statement...*sarcastic*
I do not say so that often.

Is it a crime to call it soccer?
No. its an americanism.

so???
When someone wins the superbowl, they are the best American Football team in the world! That's why!

I do not say so that often.
Actually you do...and I think there are better ways to explain what you think

So, Swilatia, you don't have to watch the superbowl, in fact you would have to go out of your way and buy a satelite dish to even recieve a broadcast, it is not taking place in your country, not even on your continent, you won't read about it in the papers, people won't talk to you about it...
For all the impact it has on your life, it might as well not exist. So what, pray, is your major issue with it?

When someone wins the superbowl, they are the best American Football team in the world! That's why!

Look who needs to discuss the superbowl when the 6-nations is on and the world cup is on the way?

If the stations even carry it. They didn't here. :(
Stop lying.

Look who needs to discuss the superbowl when the 6-nations is on and the world cup is on the way?
Americans.

Stop lying.
I didn't see on Åland. I'm on the island...näh! :p

Plus, its not like I'd watch it. So, maybe I am lying, but I didn't know it. Or even look. I'll be honest.

I'm pretty sure you get mtv3 in Åland...

I'm pretty sure you get mtv3 in Åland...
I wouldn't watch it even if we do.

*asks someone*

But, we do, yes.

I was just pointlessly saying things trying to defend American Football. I'm sorry, even though I'm really not, but it is customary to say such things.

I understand. I'd defend it too. Sadly enough, I fell asleep halfway through it. I'm not sure it was that boring really... but it was really late. They should adjust it so that it would better fit the time in Finland. Would that be too much to ask..?

Atually, I think that the EU should cease. If the whole pupose was to simply improve economies (because it was), then the Eu should cease and they should insted just have a common market, like they did before the passing of the Maastricht treaty.
I think you should cease. The EU goes far beyond simply improving economies now, like it or not. Economic activity is regulated by laws. To have a truly common market you need common judicial systems. As politics is often the basis of many laws, you need a common governmental system. Economics, law, society and politics are not separate, disparate entities that exist in isolation one of the other; they are inter-related.

Furthermore, most nations in the EU would be happy to see it become a supranational power. I think its high time it followed the Swiss model, and became the confederal superpower it ought to be. Don't like it? If that is your nation's mentality, exit the EU and suffer the consequences. If its just yours, you have all the power to leave the EU. Times change, the EU changes. Get over it.

I understand. I'd defend it too. Sadly enough, I fell asleep halfway through it. I'm not sure it was that boring really... but it was really late. They should adjust it so that it would better fit the time in Finland. Would that be too much to ask..?
They showed live? Retarded.

I wouldn't have watched even if I had knew that it was being showed.
Wait...actually probably would.
I haven't watched TV in a long time.

[...]If that is your nation's mentality[...]

It seems my worst thoughts come true. People here (the quote is not to direct my words to a certain one, though) start to see Poland as the country of idiots and fascists.:headbang:

HEY! Swilatia's opinion IS NOT an opinion of Polish people! IT'S HIS OWN!!! His opinion is shared by I guess no more than (rounding up) 0,02% of Poles! :rolleyes:

He seems to be a fanatic, who sometimes show up on this forum, and, even worse, he seems to be, in addition to this, stupid one. :sniper:

As for myself, I am pro-EU Pole and I'd even like to see European superstate (Swilatia'll probably call me unpatriotic, traitor or Jew).

When someone wins the superbowl, they are the best American Football team in the world! That's why!
so...

It seems my worst thoughts come true. People here (the quote is not to direct my words to a certain one, though) start to see Poland as the country of idiots and fascists.:headbang:

HEY! Swilatia's opinion IS NOT an opinion of Polish people! IT'S HIS OWN!!! His opinion is shared by I guess no more than (rounding up) 0,02% of Poles! :rolleyes:

He seems to be a fanatic, who sometimes show up on this forum, and, even worse, he seems to be, in addition to this, stupid one. :sniper:

As for myself, I am pro-EU Pole and I'd even like to see European superstate (Swilatia'll probably call me unpatriotic, traitor or Jew).
You are starting to get me wrong here.

so...

Wait, didn't you just say you don't respond with "so..." often?

Let's look at this closely, people.

1)He hates the EU.
2)He's nationalistic.
3)He believes it harms the nations that are part of it.
4)He believes that all nations should disband from the EU, which their economies are currently linked to and such.
5)EU Currency is destroying national identity (I believe this was said at one point).
6)He wants, or has alluded to, "Polen uber alles" (which, as Vespertilia has kindly pointed out, is NOT a majority opinion in Poland).

First off, even though I'm an American, I've actually visited Europe, and by Europe, I mean Austria, the Czech Republic, and Hungary. In Austria, I didn't feel that national identity was lost with the currency. Heck, the coins were struck with Austrian symbols on one side and the EU logo on the other!

Here's a question. If the center of the EU was in Poland, would you be this upset? If Poland had a large say in the dealings of the EU, would you be singing a different tune?

I think what we're looking at here is a classic grab for attention by disagreeing with people, hating the establishment, even falling into the by-now cliched-America bash. He wants Poland to dominate, and the EU can crash and burn as far as he cares. I sure hope he isn't in any political office or ever hoping to be in one.

Most extremists do not want to be labeled as extremists.

Wait, didn't you just say you don't respond with "so..." often?

Let's look at this closely, people.

1)He hates the EU.
2)He's nationalistic.
3)He believes it harms the nations that are part of it.
4)He believes that all nations should disband from the EU, which their economies are currently linked to and such.
5)EU Currency is destroying national identity (I believe this was said at one point).
6)He wants, or has alluded to, "Polen uber alles" (which, as Vespertilia has kindly pointed out, is NOT a majority opinion in Poland).

First off, even though I'm an American, I've actually visited Europe, and by Europe, I mean Austria, the Czech Republic, and Hungary. In Austria, I didn't feel that national identity was lost with the currency. Heck, the coins were struck with Austrian symbols on one side and the EU logo on the other!

Here's a question. If the center of the EU was in Poland, would you be this upset? If Poland had a large say in the dealings of the EU, would you be singing a different tune?

I think what we're looking at here is a classic grab for attention by disagreeing with people, hating the establishment, even falling into the by-now cliched-America bash. He wants Poland to dominate, and the EU can crash and burn as far as he cares. I sure hope he isn't in any political office or ever hoping to be in one.

Most extremists do not want to be labeled as extremists.

Explain #6.

No. its an americanism.
Wrong, soccer isn't an americanism.

Originally Posted by
http://www.wordorigins.org/wordors.htm
Soccer
Soccer is an abbreviation for Association Football. The Football Association was formed in London in October 1863 when representatives of eleven clubs and schools met in an attempt to standardize the rules of the game. One of the rules prohibited the carrying of the ball, a rule that would lead to the Rugby-oriented clubs leaving the Association several months later. The name Association Football was coined to distinguish it from Rugby.

By 1889, the abbreviation socca' was in use, and the spelling soccer had made its appearance by 1895.

Acually, its more of a left-wing issue. The statement "Its a human rights issue" is what supporters use a propaganda.
so treating people who you dont agree with like people is 'left wing' and thus you disagree with it.

What a fascinating insight into your mind Swilatia.

Incidently ny country (Ireland) benifited hugely from EU membership. And didnt Poland, and lots of others, say they want to pull off our EU induced boom?

Wrong, soccer isn't an americanism.
It is nowadays...

so treating people who you dont agree with like people is 'left wing' and thus you disagree with it.

What a fascinating insight into your mind Swilatia.

Incidently ny country (Ireland) benifited hugely from EU membership. And didnt Poland, and lots of others, say they want to pull off our EU induced boom?
It may improve economies, but the rest is bad. I do not want a European superstate.

It is nowadays...
no, it's used anywhere where there is more then one sport with the name football, Austrailia and as a clarification in Ireland.

(we call soccer football but if you ask "did you see the football match last night?" you'd probably get the reponse "Gaelic football or soccer football.")

no, it's used anywhere where there is more then one sport with the name football, Austrailia and as a clarification in Ireland.

(we call soccer football but if you ask "did you see the football match last night?" you'd probably get the reponse "Gaelic football or soccer football.")
I'n not Irish.

I'n not Irish.
So...

the point is it's not just used by americans and it didn't originate in America so it's not an americanism.

I'n not Irish.
Tell us something new.

No, I do not mean the evil thing known as the EU.

Anyway, I think europe (especially Poland) is a good place because it does not have bush or the superbowl, as the superbowl is a waste of our time. Also, it actually has some past, unlike america, which is prolly the youngest nation in the world. Also, contrary to popular belief, Europe has more freedom than America, because bush took away some of america's freedoms.

However, europe is rhreatened by the EU, and the EU most be stopped.

FIRST OF ALL THE SUPERBOWL IS AWESOME AND SECOND OF ALL I AGREE EUROPE IS AWESOME BECUASE THEY HAVE WRITERS LIKE JONTI PICKING WHO CREATES INTERNET SHOWS SUCH AS WEEBL AND BOB WHICH ROCKS!

FIRST OF ALL THE SUPERBOWL IS AWESOME
I disagree. And doing so does not make me retarded.

So...

the point is it's not just used by americans and it didn't originate in America so it's not an americanism.
okay, I do not know what can be done, you have convinced me.

Actually you do...and I think there are better ways to explain what you think
Actually, whn I say so, it mean's i do not care.

FIRST OF ALL THE SUPERBOWL IS AWESOME AND SECOND OF ALL I AGREE EUROPE IS AWESOME BECUASE THEY HAVE WRITERS LIKE JONTI PICKING WHO CREATES INTERNET SHOWS SUCH AS WEEBL AND BOB WHICH ROCKS!

Why the capitals? really why?

The superbowl is not "awesome", it is a commercial joke, any sports event that incorporates acts such as the stones as entertainment must either be lacking in enterrainment, or the intellect of its viewers is lacking, or, in truth, both.

Why the capitals? really why?

The superbowl is not "awesome", it is a commercial joke, any sports event that incorporates acts such as the stones as entertainment must either be lacking in enterrainment, or the intellect of its viewers is lacking, or, in truth, both.
thanks for pointing that out to heavyweight ants. That guy sounds like he's retarded.

To flog a horse to death:
which is prolly the youngest nation in the world
Are you mad or do you just not pay atttention? Remember (from books at least) the post-colonial period where many new countries came into being after the second World War primarily in Africa and Asia? This of course doesn't account for the post-Soviet countries and assorted others.

Also, contrary to popular belief, Europe has more freedom than America, because bush took away some of america's freedoms.

Despite Bush's jackassness we are still freer in some regards than places in Europe. To point to just one thing for time's sake, the UK lacks among other things our First Amendment.

As for the Super Bowl, and the ICC cricket world cup is what? A grand old time?

As for the liking or disliking of Europe in what capacity? Are you talking about her cultures? her peoples? her landscape? her politics? what?

No, I do not mean the evil thing known as the EU.

Anyway, I think europe (especially Poland) is a good place because it does not have bush or the superbowl, as the superbowl is a waste of our time. Also, it actually has some past, unlike america, which is prolly the youngest nation in the world. Also, contrary to popular belief, Europe has more freedom than America, because bush took away some of america's freedoms.

However, europe is rhreatened by the EU, and the EU most be stopped.

No disrespect to Poland but the EU is the only thing preventing that country Poland from turning into a fascist state. Poland and much of Eastern Europe, especially the Balkans, is just a conservative and religious as the US, maybe even more so.

Despite Bush's jackassness we are still freer in some regards than places in Europe. To point to just one thing for time's sake, the UK lacks among other things our First Amendment.

The Seperation of Church and State? Unless you're an idealist, I don't think there's any quesion of which out of the UK and US is more secular.

The Seperation of Church and State? Unless you're an idealist, I don't think there's any quesion of which out of the UK and US is more secular.

Although Bush is trying to tear down that barrier, the very EXISTANCE of the Church of England with Elizabeth as its head and other such institutions in Europe means that Europe is not in any way secular.

Explain #6.

What I meant was your desire to see Poland ruling over Europe as the superpower in dominance. I just said "Polen uber alles" instead of "Deutschland uber alles," which may be more familiar.

Although Bush is trying to tear down that barrier, the very EXISTANCE of the Church of England with Elizabeth as its head and other such institutions in Europe means that Europe is not in any way secular.

In practice (which in politics, is what really matters), Britain is more secular. According to a poll conducted a few months ago, 30% of Brits were found to be atheists while the majority of whom believed in God didn't follow an organized religion. Compare this to the 90% of Americans who claim to be Christian the 80% of Americans who claim to have a personal relationship with God. We have atheist MP's and prominent politicians in the UK. No atheist could even dream of getting into politics in the US.

I think that it's sad that europe and america fight so much. When it all comes down to it we both need eachother. America can learn alot from europe like how ameican kids don't care about other places which is sad. Europe could learn to respect people relginos. Look both football and football are both great. However sports players are just in it for the money. so lets stop having this worthless debate because both Europe and America are sweet.

Anyway, I think europe (especially Poland) is a good place because it does not have bush or the superbowl, as the superbowl is a waste of our time.
Oh yeah, all because the absence of Bush makes a country great :rolleyes:
Anti-Bush n00b

Also, it actually has some past, unlike america, which is prolly the youngest nation in the world. Also, contrary to popular belief, Europe has more freedom than America, because bush took away some of america's freedoms.
More Eurocentric bullshit. At least the majority of our past isn't dominated by elitist monarchial institutions. And considering none of the British populace can own a firearm (you want to keep a check on your government? Arm the populace), and "hate speech" is outlawed all over Europe (get over it, it's free speech), I'd say your freedom is in someways limited. And the last part, more Anti-Bush n00bery.

However, europe is rhreatened by the EU, and the EU most be stopped.
So how can you be freer if the EU is threating your abundant liberty?

So how can you be freer if the EU is threating your abundant liberty?
Actually, the EU threatining the independance of European Nations.

Actually, the EU threatining the independance of European Nations.

Seeing that none of them were forced to join, you can hardly call it a "threat"

I live in Florida and I agree that the superbowl is a waste of time

Seeing that none of them were forced to join, you can hardly call it a "threat"
Actually, I do call it a threat

I live in Florida and I agree that the superbowl is a waste of time
I knew its not just people from europe who think that.

[QUOTE=Neu Leonstein]Well, I guess I agree. But then, Americans might say the same thing about the World Cup.

yeah well the difference is the World cup (hence the name) has participants from all over the world. the superbowl on the over side, well, dont. :p

[QUOTE=Neu Leonstein]Well, I guess I agree. But then, Americans might say the same thing about the World Cup.

yeah well the difference is the World cup (hence the name) has participants from all over the world. the superbowl on the over side, well, dont. :p
You got that right. I mean, nobody outside the USA cares about the superbowl.