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The troll has weaken.

Oh, loooong time ago. But he's taking a long time to realise that himself...

I dunno. Because the government won't?

You are a terrorist. The irony, the irony.

I can't go back and fix her past, but I can ruin her attackers future.
so some "arab" rapes your sister and you kick the shit out of a random indonesian to avenge it?

thats quite a sad practice

Government have reasons. Do you?

Yeah, revenge.

No. Dont be thick. Listen. I said, if you want to live in America, you need to become an American. Your allowed to keep your heritage, your language, your religion, and your customs...as long as you adopt the American ones as well. If thats too much to ask for, there is no reason why you would be moving to this country anyway. Now do you understand?

evidence that first generation immigrants have ever fully integrated?

Thats totally false.

Fiddle dee dee, they come for fun or not at all.

You noticed!! Good for you. Now see if you can identify other retarded things about your "wog boys" fantasies.
Remarkable how enduring it is, the racists' image of primal black male sexuality. One has to ask where that comes from... ;)

People move to America to move to a better country than the one they are leaving. If you like your county you wouldnt smurfing emmigrate would you?

Ah, yes. That. I heard that from a lot of second-or-more generation Americans. I never heard that from people who actually packed up and moved there. They came for "a better life" (=more money)

Yeah, revenge.

Low. Even lower than the guy who raped your sister. As low as you can possibly get, actually.

As regards this thread:

Wow... just... wow!

Low. Even lower than the guy who raped your sister. As low as you can possibly get, actually.

You're full of shit. Nothing is lower than rape.

We didn't kill them or anything. Just roughed them up a bit. Geez.

All the same crap to us.

This guy reminds me of a story an old timer told me. His grandfather was a "real" cowboy. Never left the cattle ranges of wyoming and one other state most of his life. One day the guy decided to take him on a trip to Mexico. While having lunch in a Catina, his grand father looked around and said "Never saw so many damn Japs in my life" He didn't know what to say. Think about it he thought that his grandfather heard guys talking about WWII. ;)

I get the impression KP has seen any of "the same crap" in his life.

He smells like a wanabe neonazi.......

evidence that first generation immigrants have ever fully integrated?

It doesnt have to be first generation. I know plenty of second generation immigrats that havnt fully integrated. Seriouslly...I need to make myself, clear I am IN FAVOR of immigration, so long as people integrate into American society. We shouldnt have any people going for a drivers license test when they cant speak English, nor should we have people in public schools who dont speak English. Thats a problem.

People move to America to move to a better country than the one they are leaving. If you like your county you wouldnt smurfing emmigrate would you?

Smurfing??? I like the burnt black boy, what a mishap he had. Smurfs, Phft...

You're full of shit. Nothing is lower than rape.

We didn't kill them or anything. Just roughed them up a bit. Geez.

I lived through that once, thank you. And no, I don't want revenge for that. Revenge is the lowest form of motivation for any crime, and self-justice is a crime.

Ah, yes. That. I heard that from a lot of second-or-more generation Americans. I never heard that from people who actually packed up and moved there. They came for "a better life" (=more money)

Wait a couple generations or so, then youll hear it;) :p

You're full of shit. Nothing is lower than rape.

We didn't kill them or anything. Just roughed them up a bit. Geez.

I don't know about lower than rape, but beating up some guys because they are the same color as someone that allegedly committed a rape is pretty fucking low.

I lived through that once, thank you. And no, I don't want revenge for that. Revenge is the lowest form of motivation for any crime, and self-justice is a crime.

Well, we live in very different places, don't we?

You're full of shit. Nothing is lower than rape.

We didn't kill them or anything. Just roughed them up a bit. Geez.Rape is far worst than giving a guy a black eye.

evidence that first generation immigrants have ever fully integrated?


Kennedy. Rockerfeller. Vanderbergs. Scorcione. All successful first generation immigrant.

Ah, yes. That. I heard that from a lot of second-or-more generation Americans. I never heard that from people who actually packed up and moved there. They came for "a better life" (=more money)

Uhm ok. Usually a little more money opens opportunities for a better life.

People do do this. My boss left viet nam for a better life. He was a "boat person" so money was only a by product for him. He came here with no money and didn't speak the language. No he is very wealthy.....

I don't know about lower than rape, but beating up some guys because they are the same color as someone that allegedly committed a rape is pretty fucking low.

Dude, they're a gang. It's not like we just grabbed some random guys off the street. We know who the gang is.

This guy reminds me of a story an old timer told me. His grandfather was a "real" cowboy. Never left the cattle ranges of wyoming and one other state most of his life. One day the guy decided to take him on a trip to Mexico. While having lunch in a Catina, his grand father looked around and said "Never saw so many damn Japs in my life" He didn't know what to say. Think about it he thought that his grandfather heard guys talking about WWII. ;)

I get the impression KP has seen any of "the same crap" in his life.

He smells like a wanabe neonazi.......

Lol....my Grandfather said the same stuff. One time we were talking about the war on terror and things in Iraq, and he goes....all those little Japs deserve it. LOL!!!...(some credibility towards him, he did fight in WWII in the pacific)

Well, we live in very different places, don't we?

You mean, civilised, peaceful and rational as opposed to randomly violent, uninformed and morally corrupt?

You're full of shit. Nothing is lower than rape.

We didn't kill them or anything. Just roughed them up a bit. Geez.


Betrayal is the most heinous of any crime at all. Period.

Kennedy. Rockerfeller. Vanderbergs. Scorcione. All successful first generation immigrant.

look up the difference between successful and "fully integrated"

Dude, they're a gang. It's not like we just grabbed some random guys off the street. We know who the gang is.Ah, so you took revenge all by yourself? Interesting. The next thing the gang are going to do to you is a lot far worst than you think.

Dude, they're a gang. It's not like we just grabbed some random guys off the street. We know who the gang is.

Dude, you are full of shit. You are no better than a terrorist.

Until you have something interesting to say other than your little Nazi revenge fantasies, I'm done with you.

Ah, so you took revenge all by yourself? Interesting.

I didn't say that.

We know who the gang is.

funny, cause you give the impression of needing help remembering your left from your right.

i submit that you have no idea if there even is a gang, let alone who is in it or not.

look up the difference between successful and "fully integrated"


A full integration would turn royalty to mutts. Frankly my dear, God's fallen angels were sentenced to hell on Earth for exactly that. I pray thee, Don't integrate.

I visited Geneva a few years ago, actually. It was a Sunday, so everything was closed, and my friend and I were hungry. Luckily, we came across Les Pyramides, an Egyptian cafe where omfg Muslims were smoking those crazy water pipes and watching an Arabian satellite news channel. Instead of killing us as infidels, the staff made us a pair of very nice goat cheese and tomato sandwiches. :)

My GOD! It must be a part of their evil plans! :eek:
Or a part in the conspiracy! But that can't be, since there IS no conspiracy! But maybe there is... Or are you a spy? Or a decoy? Oh boy, I'm confused :confused: Are you sure it was goat cheese, and not Soylent cheese? Or Swiss cheese? Or Gouda?

A full integration would turn royalty to mutts. Frankly my dear, God's fallen angels were sentenced to hell on Earth for exactly that. I pray thee, Don't integrate.

Trolling a troll's thread. How original.

I didn't say that.But still, that was pretty retarded.

Trolling a troll's thread. How original.


Like Sin Baby, thus spoke ZaZa man.

The entire human race is a joke, while isolate it down to the west.

The entire human race is a joke, while isolate it down to the west.

I'm not laughing. Not funny not funny not funny! You know what is funny? John Irving's Hotel New Hampshire.

Uhm ok. Usually a little more money opens opportunities for a better life.

People do do this. My boss left viet nam for a better life. He was a "boat person" so money was only a by product for him. He came here with no money and didn't speak the language. No he is very wealthy.....

It's my experience that people can put up with oppression for a very long time indeed, but they will do anything in their power to escape poverty.
Most oppressive regimes tend to make their people poor, and it looks so much better tho claim to "flee from oppression". But I think that there's a larger percentage of, say, Russians that came to the USA in the last 10 years then Saudis... the first not being oppressed at home, just fleeing poverty, the second being oppressed at home, but fairly well off nevertheless.

Btw Kievan-Prussia, do you ever ever go to school?

It's my experience that people can put up with oppression for a very long time indeed, but they will do anything in their power to escape poverty.


Could it not be said that it is more difficult to leave an opressive country (Government intervention?) than it is to leave one where you're free?

EDIT: Of course, I don't know what the law is in Saudi Arabia regarding emmigration, so I'm probably wrong.

I agree West is full of shit with double standards (especially European nations)
I dont agree however with the America part, it is a powerful inteligent nation pursuing its own interests. However I consider American development as a civilized nation at halt right now, until Bush leaves office nothing smart will happen I assure you.

..not to say your country needs gay right activists in power either, you have those European idiots for that :p

In my oppinion, the ideal choice docrine for the US is working together with Russia, together they can effectively co-develop, despite everything they have alot in common in terms of mentality and political theory, rather than methods. Many do not realize, but current world threat happens to be China and India, with growing/booming populations, weapons deveopment, and needs for resources. While the Middle east and global terrorism is a pain in the ass, things will get catastrophic when nations of former known "cheap labor" start telling YOU and ME what to do...

take a look...they are already dominating the american workplace in terms of technology and computer development! even sciences! Bad idea!! Being a non-american, I still respect the nation for being a crucial assett in world politics.

European allies, NATO are all useless, they are traitors, sellouts (esp. French, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Bulgarians, The Polish etc..)

Eu will fall appart as well, Europe fought within itself all throughout history....why in the hell should they unite now...?? theyre all too different,with different backgrounds and methods.

Europe has NO resources,full of revolting arabs who they brought in as "slaves" basically, and unstable unity. Europes only chance is Russia's stance and its ability to supply them with resources, and they understand that.

US, on the other hand needs to learn who theyre dealing with, who is friend, who is foe, and who is neither (useless trash not worthy of respect)

I agree West is full of shit with double standards (especially European nations)
I dont agree however with the America part, it is a powerful inteligent nation pursuing its own interests. However I consider American development as a civilized nation at halt right now, until Bush leaves office nothing smart will happen I assure you.

..not to say your country needs gay right activists in power either, you have those European idiots for that :p

In my oppinion, the ideal choice docrine for the US is working together with Russia, together they can effectively co-develop, despite everything they have alot in common in terms of mentality and political theory, rather than methods. Many do not realize, but current world threat happens to be China and India, with growing/booming populations, weapons deveopment, and needs for resources. While the Middle east and global terrorism is a pain in the ass, things will get catastrophic when nations of former known "cheap labor" start telling YOU and ME what to do...

take a look...they are already dominating the american workplace in terms of technology and computer development! even sciences! Bad idea!! Being a non-american, I still respect the nation for being a crucial assett in world politics.

European allies, NATO are all useless, they are traitors, sellouts (esp. French, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Bulgarians, The Polish etc..)

Eu will fall appart as well, Europe fought within itself all throughout history....why in the hell should they unite now...?? theyre all too different,with different backgrounds and methods.

Europe has NO resources,full of revolting arabs who they brought in as "slaves" basically, and unstable unity. Europes only chance is Russia's stance and its ability to supply them with resources, and they understand that.

US, on the other hand needs to learn who theyre dealing with, who is friend, who is foe, and who is neither (useless trash not worthy of respect)

FRIGGIN-A! from a lithuanian/ russian point.. we had our resons, for you they might have seemed wrong.. but to us they were right

*bile*

Wait, what?

America is a powerful, inteligent[sic] nation because they pursue their own interests, but the EU nations are "traitors" and "sellouts" when they pursue their own interests, rather than America's?

And you say the EU is full of double standards...

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Btw Kievan-Prussia, do you ever ever go to school?

I think you guys are being too hard on Kievan-Prussia.

Consider that he has evidently discovered a way to identify the guilty without any actual examination of evidence, due process, or presentation of a defense. How efficient!

And to think, he accomplished this without a rudimentary understanding of history, formal logic, or legal precedent!

We should applaud this young man for doing what informed, reasonable people have failed to do: Develop a theory of justice that requires no diligence or effort, and apply it unilaterally with no sense of shame!

FRIGGIN-A! from a lithuanian/ russian point.. we had our resons, for you they might have seemed wrong.. but to us they were right

SO you think its right for you Baltic nations to piss over statues of our heroes who liberated YOUR nation from german occupation, leaving many of our men there. YOu think its right, for you people to honour the SS, the people who were shovin it where the sun dont shine until your eyeballs pop out? THats not only a sellout, thats outright spontaneous hatret.

Also, putting emphesis on those natons who envy the Russian Empire (the pre-baltics, poland etc...) They would have never even been nations if it were not for russia. Vilnus came from Vilna which was a russian city. Poland got much of its territory from a Russian land grant, and some territory from Germans (around Gdansk)...and now granted nations dare to stand against those who only did them well.

And dont say "oppression" and "tyrrany", because that will again bring us back to the point with West having double-standards. Democracy and so called "freedom" that the west propogands are only ideologies NOT forms of government, and deffinetly NOT ideal, seeing that the US doesnt even follow its own principles (a good thing).. IT IS CORRECT FOR FEDS to check your emails and IMs! Keeping population under control is priority, getting people to stfu is the first step to a plentiful, prospering and happy populace (unless there are some really talkative ones :P)

Gah!

K-P's 1-2 sentence posts are starting to annoy me, and aren't very informative.

As an observer, I demand you make this thread more entertaining! I'm getting bored!

p33nor! entertained now? lol... i cant read what Nikos wrote :(

SO you think its right for you Baltic nations to piss over statues of our heroes who liberated YOUR nation from german occupation, leaving many of our men there. YOu think its right, for you people to honour the SS, the people who were shovin it where the sun dont shine until your eyeballs pop out? THats not only a sellout, thats outright spontaneous hatret.

Also, putting emphesis on those natons who envy the Russian Empire (the pre-baltics, poland etc...) They would have never even been nations if it were not for russia. Vilnus came from Vilna which was a russian city. Poland got much of its territory from a Russian land grant, and some territory from Germans (around Gdansk)...and now granted nations dare to stand against those who only did them well.

And dont say "oppression" and "tyrrany", because that will again bring us back to the point with West having double-standards. Democracy and so called "freedom" that the west propogands are only ideologies NOT forms of government, and deffinetly NOT ideal, seeing that the US doesnt even follow its own principles (a good thing).. IT IS CORRECT FOR FEDS to check your emails and IMs! Keeping population under control is priority, getting people to stfu is the first step to a plentiful, prospering and happy populace (unless there are some really talkative ones :P)

Okay, Lithuania and Russia are NOT similiar at all. They don't even speak the same language. Russian doesn't speak Lithuanian. Furthermore, Lithuania was forced to join for the sake of it's people. When a monopoly forms you can do better business, and when that monoploy breaks up, the countries are now vying for who gets control of the next monopoly.

And that would most likely be China.

I agree West is full of shit with double standards (especially European nations)
I don't agree however with the America part, it is a powerful intelligent nation pursuing its own interests. However I consider American development as a civilized nation at halt right now, until Bush leaves office nothing smart will happen I assure you.


If it wasn't for his stance on flag burning, gay rights, forced religion and the fact that he looks terrifyingly akin to monkeys id say hes as good as any American president.



Many do not realize, but current world threat happens to be China and India, with growing/booming populations, weapons deveopment, and needs for resources. While the Middle east and global terrorism is a pain in the ass, things will get catastrophic when nations of former known "cheap labor" start telling YOU and ME what to do...


Believe it or not, I'm more scared of America, France and so forth people like that with nukes... makes me wanner build a bomb shelter, at least china will just force us into slavery..


take a look...they are already dominating the american workplace in terms of technology and computer development!

So your suggesting we shut down the free market?

Eu will fall appart as well, Europe fought within itself all throughout history....why in the hell should they unite now...?? theyre all too different,with different backgrounds and methods.

One word, Common enemy (2 words) they aren't united right now because there isn't really a serious threat out there.. as soon as one arises they ll agree soon enough they may be different but they all have that instinct of survival (either that or they are Gots, in which case I'm on your side.)

Europe has NO resources

Awwww common man did you even bother looking into that, i guess uranium, oil, steel, and wood doesnt exist.. and on a more serious note chocolate, watches, and those long breads the french make..

Europes only chance is Russia's stance and its ability to supply them with resources, and they understand that.

It is? we do?

US, on the other hand needs to learn who theyre dealing with, who is friend, who is foe, and who is neither (useless trash not worthy of respect)

In a time where everyone can hide a nuke in there backyard, everyone deserves respect.

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ARG! darn you human youve burnt my brain! and whats even worse is the fact i read it with little to no difficulty, the horror!

SO you think its right for you Baltic nations to piss over statues of our heroes who liberated YOUR nation from german occupation, leaving many of our men there. YOu think its right, for you people to honour the SS, the people who were shovin it where the sun dont shine until your eyeballs pop out? THats not only a sellout, thats outright spontaneous hatret.

Also, putting emphesis on those natons who envy the Russian Empire (the pre-baltics, poland etc...) They would have never even been nations if it were not for russia. Vilnus came from Vilna which was a russian city. Poland got much of its territory from a Russian land grant, and some territory from Germans (around Gdansk)...and now granted nations dare to stand against those who only did them well.

And dont say "oppression" and "tyrrany", because that will again bring us back to the point with West having double-standards. Democracy and so called "freedom" that the west propogands are only ideologies NOT forms of government, and deffinetly NOT ideal, seeing that the US doesnt even follow its own principles (a good thing).. IT IS CORRECT FOR FEDS to check your emails and IMs! Keeping population under control is priority, getting people to stfu is the first step to a plentiful, prospering and happy populace (unless there are some really talkative ones :P)

Wow... that has to be one of the most uninformed statements on misinterpreted historical and current events as well as complete ignorance of national and international law I ever saw here. With a little effort and a bit more aggression, you may even outdo Kiervan-Prussia in these fields.

p33nor! entertained now? lol... i cant read what Nikos wrote :(

Excuse me, I am NIKAs. I have an A in my name. But that's not that important.

These men are the men!

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The aliens are approaching. Alliances are forming. Choose life. And then Anarchy.

Futhermore, PH34R T|-|3 L33T! (Fear the L33T)

ARG! darn you human youve burnt my brain! and whats even worse is the fact i read it with little to no difficulty, the horror!


Haha. And where did you learn it?

I hide a nuke in your backyard with a naked person.

Too many people.

Futhermore, PH34R T|-|3 L33T! (Fear the L33T)
Phaer teh n00b, more like. :p

Excuse me, I am NIKAs. I have an A in my name. But that's not that important.

These men are the men!

Th3 4li3|\|s 4r3 4ppr04c|-|||\|g. 4ll|4|\|c35 4r3 Ph0r|\/|||\|g. C|-|0053 L|f3. 4|\|d T|-|3|\| Anarchy!
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The aliens are approaching. Alliances are forming. Choose life. And then Anarchy.

Futhermore, PH34R T|-|3 L33T! (Fear the L33T)


I forced myself to unlearn 1337 long ago.

Please write in normal english characters.


Edit: I'm a dumbass, you put the translations right after.

Please write in normal english characters.
Cultural imperialist! :eek:

:D

lmao you guys are silly... and yes i just said silly lol :p

Cultural imperialist! :eek:

:D



Give me your resources, bitch.

Phaer teh n00b, more like. :p


EH TE BLAT, KUSNE MYO NOVAUE GJOPOO.

Believe it or not, I'm more scared of America, France and so forth people like that with nukes... makes me wanner build a bomb shelter, at least china will just force us into slavery..


-Blinks- Ok that is an interesting line of reasoning? Why would you fear the US? We used 2 bombs in WWII. When the China struck in Korea, we didn't use any. When we were losing Viet Nam, we didn't use any.

The first strike talk is just that.


European allies, NATO are all useless, they are traitors, sellouts (esp. French, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Bulgarians, The Polish etc..)


Ok this will be interesting. Do explain that.


One word, Common enemy (2 words) they aren't united right now because there isn't really a serious threat out there.. as soon as one arises they ll agree soon enough they may be different but they all have that instinct of survival (either that or they are Gots, in which case I'm on your side.)

Lordy. Got a boogyman syndrome going? It's not going to happen. Many of the ME countries are indirectly working with the west on issues.

Yeah, actually. You've basically said, unless I misheard you, "If you want to own property in place X, you have to abandon everything I dislike, and everyone should act the same".

No... thats not true see i am hispanic and fucking proud of it. i was born here but i carry the colors of my parents flag like my own (including language and culture) but something that pisses me off about my mom is that shes been here 20 years and she cant speak english but demands that everything be provided for her in spanish. so we take the benefits of this beautiful nation yet we do not embrace even something as basic as a language. embracing america doesnt mean give up your own. no but how can you go to someone else's home seeking refuge and then demand the king sized bed and the meals you desire...

"Can democracy stop terrirosim?"

"The Bush administration contends that the push for democracy in the Muslim world will improve US security. But this premise is faulty, there is not evidence the democracy reduces terrorism. A democratic Middle East would probably resultin Islamist governments unwilling to cooperate with Washington.

Economic liberalization underminds repressive regimes. Recent events suggest that savvy autocrats have learned how to cut the cord between growth and freedom. It'll take a decade to win overseas."

- Foreign Affairs

Then why am I not laughing?

The West is a joke.

What is that? The second verse to "The East is Red"?

ah and kiev prussia even my 13 year old brother said you were an idiot. for you are. its just a fact. i mean really...

1) rape and revenge = same thing you see you have 2 buckets of water:
a) bucket 1 pile a load of shit into it
b) bucket 2 pile a table spoon of shit into it
you still dont want to drink the shit-infested water... basics of most beliefs, we all did wrong.

2) muslims does not equal arabs. dumbass. if thats the way australians think then thats a pity --but i doubt that, you are the equivalent of white trash or a racist hick. and if your dad went to vietnam and thats what he taught you after seeing the horrors of war, he might as well have been a nazi.

3) whites are not and never were natives of anything... they spent all their time conquering.

and i just dont even know what to say to you... its just frustrating.

3) whites are not and never were natives of anything... they spent all their time conquering.


Ok? Let's hear the justification......

3) whites are not and never were natives of anything... they spent all their time conquering.

and i just dont even know what to say to you... its just frustrating.

Um... hey... 'scuse me... I hate to rain on your parade, but "whites" are acutally natives here. ;)

ah yes...

JAPAN IS NOT IN THE FUCKING WEST. GET A MAP FUCKING IDIOT.

or havent you read history on WWII (bet your grandad was in that one) about how the WEST fought against Germany, Italy and Japan. Japan was difficult because they were not in the WEST.

oy.

ah and kiev prussia even my 13 year old brother said you were an idiot. for you are. its just a fact. i mean really...

1) rape and revenge = same thing you see you have 2 buckets of water:
a) bucket 1 pile a load of shit into it
b) bucket 2 pile a table spoon of shit into it
you still dont want to drink the shit-infested water... basics of most beliefs, we all did wrong.

2) muslims does not equal arabs. dumbass. if thats the way australians think then thats a pity --but i doubt that, you are the equivalent of white trash or a racist hick. and if your dad went to vietnam and thats what he taught you after seeing the horrors of war, he might as well have been a nazi.

3) whites are not and never were natives of anything... they spent all their time conquering.

and i just dont even know what to say to you... its just frustrating.


I AM A TREE! Well, the latest branch of the homosapian tree (yes, I am SUPERHUMAN!)

Um... hey... 'scuse me... I hate to rain on your parade, but "whites" are acutally natives here. ;)

I hate to further rain on his parade, but I'm a native American. Born and raised, here. Makes me native. Oh, and I'm what y'all would call "white".

ah yes...

JAPAN IS NOT IN THE FUCKING WEST. GET A MAP FUCKING IDIOT.

or havent you read history on WWII (bet your grandad was in that one) about how the WEST fought against Germany, Italy and Japan. Japan was difficult because they were not in the WEST.

oy.

That depends on where you are. Japan is the West to California.

ah yes...

JAPAN IS NOT IN THE FUCKING WEST. GET A MAP FUCKING IDIOT.

or havent you read history on WWII (bet your grandad was in that one) about how the WEST fought against Germany, Italy and Japan. Japan was difficult because they were not in the WEST.

oy.


And to whom art thou speaking?

Um... hey... 'scuse me... I hate to rain on your parade, but "whites" are acutally natives here. ;)

No you are not! You are invaders! The little people are the natives! :p

Ok? Let's hear the justification......

dudes, (nothing against whites) the UK put them in australia and us and canada.

i suppose they were natives of germanic tribes and such but they spent much time traveling and thus conquered that area of europe, as did the brits but can one really say they originally owned one area instead of wandered into it?

Im not racist really i'm trying to remember history here...

And to whom art thou speaking?

to kiev. wasnt he the one saying the west was europe us and japan?

No western country/nation ever built the largest empire in the world. The Mongols (an asian) people did, so imperialism isn't unique to western civilization, we were just never as cocky as they were and we believed we could learn from natives (which is why we borrowed alot of their inventions).

No you are not! You are invaders! The little people are the natives! :p


No ones native to america, they came from asia at some point.

No western country/nation ever built the largest empire in the world. The Mongols (an asian) people did, so imperialism isn't unique to western civilization, we were just never as cocky as they were and we believed we could learn from natives (which is why we borrowed alot of their inventions).

So did the Mongols. I mean, unless you think they just spontaneously went from being master horsemen to master siegecraftsmen.

No ones native to america, they came from asia at some point.

Except we don't know that for a fact. There were no written records, but there's plenty of evidence pointing both ways.

dudes, (nothing against whites) the UK put them in australia and us and canada.

i suppose they were natives of germanic tribes and such but they spent much time traveling and thus conquered that area of europe, as did the brits but can one really say they originally owned one area instead of wandered into it?

Im not racist really i'm trying to remember history here...

Well you have to be careful with declarations like that. It's a different matter to say whites are not native to North America and Australia versus Whites are not natives to anything.

How do you explain Scandanavia, Scotland and Ireland for example? The Picts?

For that matter what constitutes a native? By your simple declaration. Nobody is really native to anything but Pangea.....

No ones native to america, they came from asia at some point.
If you wanna go down that road, the only natives of anything are from Africa.

dudes, (nothing against whites) the UK put them in australia and us and canada.

i suppose they were natives of germanic tribes and such but they spent much time traveling and thus conquered that area of europe, as did the brits but can one really say they originally owned one area instead of wandered into it?

Im not racist really i'm trying to remember history here...

Considering that humanity started to evolve in East Africa, we all wandered into everywhere and apart from the Sudanese, there are no natives on this planet ;)
Europe was actually settled rather early on in history, first by Neanderthal and later by Cro Magnon (or Homo Sapiens). Before these two groups, there's no evidence of any humanoid culture.
Now, going into tribal history, people did move around in Europe a lot, but apart from the Huns, all of these peoples were originally European, Celts as well as Romans, Friesians as well as Allemans, Basques as well as Sorbs, Vikings as well as Greeks.

If you wanna go down that road, the only natives of anything are from Africa.

What? We are all black???? ;)

What? We are all black???? ;)

Yes! We are all black.

What? We are all black???? ;)

Yup. Just more or less bleached out.

Yup. Just more or less bleached out.

Like Michael Jackson? :eek: :p

If we're all black, then when we make racist slurs does that give me the right to jump on a 'black' coloured guy? =-ooo

What I would like to know, is how the hell this topic ever got to page 23????

And as far as the OP is concerned (Kievan-Prussia), I really don't believe half of what he posted!!!

If you don't know, you don't read the news. And somehow missed out on 9/11, 10/12, 7/7...

Why do I keep waiting for this poster to be standing in a group of people holding signs that say "Keep your Freedom." Perhaps, we don't care what the minority of Muslims consider victory in the West and we care about protecting our people from becoming extremist fundamentalists. And I mean ANY extremists, including the OP.

Like Michael Jackson? :eek: :p

Argh... now I'm afraid to touch my nose, because it might come off. :eek:

What I would like to know, is how the hell this topic ever got to page 23????

And as far as the OP is concerned (Kievan-Prussia), I really don't believe half of what he posted!!!

Neither do I... but I sometimes can't resist to feed the troll. Especially if it's an obvioulsy sincere but still ridiculous troll

to kiev. wasnt he the one saying the west was europe us and japan?


I don't know.

I was talking about China a while ago.

What I would like to know, is how the hell this topic ever got to page 23????


Contributions like this. We thank you for your help to get us to 24! ;)

point is, europe (lets not lie to ourselves pull out your history books) held a policy of IMPERIALISM... making them conquer much. and japan's culture is 10million times diff than the WEST...

different religions from traditional protestant/deist background here
dress
language
man, even cartoons.

Argh... now I'm afraid to touch my nose, because it might come off. :eek:

Don't worry. It's on magnets, so you can stick it right back on. You can even change the color of your nose to suit your mood or even flip it upside down for that appallingly disgusting look!

Well you have to be careful with declarations like that. It's a different matter to say whites are not native to North America and Australia versus Whites are not natives to anything.

How do you explain Scandanavia, Scotland and Ireland for example? The Picts?

For that matter what constitutes a native? By your simple declaration. Nobody is really native to anything but Pangea.....

Wo0T *holds up the flag to pangea*

^^

point is, europe (lets not lie to ourselves pull out your history books) held a policy of IMPERIALISM... making them conquer much. and japan's culture is 10million times diff than the WEST...

different religions from traditional protestant/deist background here
dress
language
man, even cartoons.


What's your point again?

point is, europe (lets not lie to ourselves pull out your history books) held a policy of IMPERIALISM... making them conquer much. and japan's culture is 10million times diff than the WEST...

different religions from traditional protestant/deist background here

Buddhism was so similar to Catholic Christianity that many early missionaries believed that Buddhism was founded by the Devil to lure people away from the "True Faith".

dress

Europeans and Japanese people both wore skirts for the longest time.

language

Many words in Japanese and Latin (which lends most modern "Western" languages a few words, at least) were derived from sanskrit.

man, even cartoons.

If I recall properly, anime is just a Japanese adaptation of "Western" cartoons.

:)

"Oh terrorists kill less people that swimming pools" SO WHAT!? We shouldn't have to put up with it! We shouldn't have to have that worry drilling in the back of our mind every time we board a train!

I take the train to and from work and school every day, and - you know - that's really not one of my major worries. Sure, right after the Madrid and London bombings, the thought was there, but within a few days the regular routine reasserted itself. I'm probably more worried about running my hands over one of the bars in the train that someone else has just handled, and then absently minding scratching my eye or picking my nose and then coming down with a cold.

Terrorism? Sure, it's an issue, but when has it not been an issue? The big difference between what you and I as Americans are coping with and what everyone else has already been through is that it finally happened in our country and everyone else has been through it.

Pay attention to the news in other countries for a change and it'll change your perspective a bit.

...but they arent west, right?

...but they arent west, right?

Fastest way to get to Japan from where I am is to fly due West. Or China. Or Korea. Or Vietnam. Does that answer your question?

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.
a) Australia is more a part of the "west" than Japan. By a very long shot
b) did you miss the attack in Bali? Although not in Australia, it is pretty clear that it was to target Australians, as most people who went to that specific resort were Aussis.

also, I just got off the subway in a major city. I'm still alive. I do this daily. Not a big deal. If you're too scared to leave your house because "they'll get us", fine. The rest of us can move on with our lives.

-Blinks- Ok that is an interesting line of reasoning? Why would you fear the US? We used 2 bombs in WWII. When the China struck in Korea, we didn't use any. When we were losing Viet Nam, we didn't use any.

Not fear them, fear them more, hell im practly convinced there isent gonna be droped a bomb or shoot a cell near me for the next 400 years

Lordy. Got a boogyman syndrome going? It's not going to happen. Many of the ME countries are indirectly working with the west on issues.

Never said it would (and wish that it wont) its just that theres no reason for the EU to get along unless it did, in which it would.. (i think i lost the train of thought there somewhere, oh well)

In short, When i enter a buss i look around an extreme time, not for terrorists, but for extra seats.

If you wanna go down that road, the only natives of anything are from Africa.


No the land between to rivers (Tigris and euphrates) they were native to that region, and the Chinese peoples of far asia are native to that region.

No the land between to rivers (Tigris and euphrates) they were native to that region, and the Chinese peoples of far asia are native to that region.

You're assuming that civilization popped up magically where humans did. By the time those civilizations popped up, humans were already on six continents.

The West: Europe, America, Japan.

:looking at my globe:

Um. I'm confused.

point is, europe (lets not lie to ourselves pull out your history books) held a policy of IMPERIALISM... making them conquer much. and japan's culture is 10million times diff than the WEST...

different religions from traditional protestant/deist background here
dress
language
man, even cartoons.

And I rather laud it. At least as imperialist powers Britain and France contrived to maintain a degree of global control, modernise the states they colonised, and enrich themselves.

However I am an advocate of modern colonialism.

And I rather laud it. At least as imperialist powers Britain and France contrived to maintain a degree of global control, modernise the states they colonised, and enrich themselves.

However I am an advocate of modern colonialism.

Right, while we ALL (Americans included) imperialised, we also brought a better cutlure and better way of life upon pooer people. Perfect example, look at Hawaii.

And I rather laud it. At least as imperialist powers Britain and France contrived to maintain a degree of global control, modernise the states they colonised, and enrich themselves.

However I am an advocate of modern colonialism.

Thats true with India and the other SouthEast Asian Countries. However, what about Africa? It was under control of Britain and France, and yet all the Europeans did to it was extract mineral goods. They pulled out without leaving any proper infrastracture so it collapsed.

Thats true with India and the other SouthEast Asian Countries. However, what about Africa? It was under control of Britain and France, and yet all the Europeans did to it was extract mineral goods. They pulled out without leaving any proper infrastracture so it collapsed.

Africa was a piece before the Euros got there.

Also, the English controlled South Africa, and if you look, South Africa has been the only decent African country, that was until the blacks kicked the Afrikaans out of the government and started killing people and stealing their land just for being white.

If you look at history, I have found that through imperialism, England was the only one that brought good to the countries it imperialised, not Spain nor France nor Germany, just England.

Also, the English controlled South Africa, and if you look, South Africa has been the only decent African country, that was until the blacks kicked the Afrikaans out of the government and started killing people and stealing their land just for being white.
Decent is hardly the word I would use for Apartheid. But apart from that, it was not the only successful country. Tanzania comes to mind, even though recently things haven't been going as well.

If you look at history, I have found that through imperialism, England was the only one that brought good to the countries it imperialised, not Spain nor France nor Germany, just England.
False. England did not bring good in India, as Aryavartha will happily discuss with you. If you want to go by the state of former colonies today, Brazil comes to mind.
And Germany never really had colonies. They were popular rulers in the few posessions they had outside Africa (and fairly popular in some parts of Africa, less so in others - the Herero come to mind), but they were all taken after WWI, and screwed up by the English.

Decent is hardly the word I would use for Apartheid. But apart from that, it was not the only successful country. Tanzania comes to mind, even though recently things haven't been going as well.


False. England did not bring good in India, as Aryavartha will happily discuss with you. If you want to go by the state of former colonies today, Brazil comes to mind.
And Germany never really had colonies. They were popular rulers in the few posessions they had outside Africa (and fairly popular in some parts of Africa, less so in others - the Herero come to mind), but they were all taken after WWI, and screwed up by the English.

England has brought good to India. It brought Capitalism, western idealogy, and English.

Also...Germany had parts of east Africa and parts of South-East Asia...I think it had the north east part of Papau New Guinea.

England has brought good to India. It brought Capitalism, western idealogy, and English.
English is good? And about "Western Ideology"...well, I'm not even sure what you mean by that.
It also brought slavery, racism and war. Some would also add genocide to that.
You can weigh those things up, but considering that at least Capitalism already existed in India (and was destroyed by the British' insistence that only raw materials were to be produced there, with the value-adding done in the UK), it is at the very least simplistic to say that England "brought good".

Also...Germany had parts of east Africa and parts of South-East Asia...I think it had the north east part of Papau New Guinea.
They did, but they didn't keep them. The real trouble with Africa is the way they were made independent, not the initial way they were run - the racism in those colonies meant that there wasn't an an educated leadership to take over. Furthermore, European governments didn't want these states to succeed, so they continued to sabotage and meddle for decades.
And to that you can add that the borders where just arbitrary lines on the map, which had to lead to wars.