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With the possible exception of America, the West seems not only entirely incapable of defending itself, it's culture and it's people, but does everything within it's power to make things worse. I don't understand it.

With the possible exception of America, the West seems not only entirely incapable of defending itself, it's culture and it's people, but does everything within it's power to make things worse. I don't understand it.

Maybe you are starting from an incorrect definition of what western culture is?

With the possible exception of America, the West seems not only entirely incapable of defending itself, it's culture and it's people, but does everything within it's power to make things worse. I don't understand it.

Ahahahahahahahahaha *wiping tears from eyes*

I don't understand it.

Evidently

The principals of democracy, free expression, freedom of assembly, and freedom of conscience are strengths not weaknesses.

I direct you to the persuasive wisdom of Oliver Wendell Holmes in his dissent in Abrams v. United States (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/250/616.html ), 250 US 616, 630 (1919):

Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power and want a certain result with all your heart you naturally express your wishes in law and sweep away all opposition. To allow opposition by speech seems to indicate that you think the speech impotent, as when a man says that he has squared the circle, or that you do not care whole heartedly for the result, or that you doubt either your power or your premises. But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas-that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. It is an experiment, as all life is an experiment. Every year if not every day we have to wager our salvation upon some prophecy based upon imperfect knowledge. While that experiment is part of our system I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death, unless they so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the country.

As I said, we should rely on the market place of ideas and vigilant protection of freedom for all -- not upon oppression of those with whom we disagree

Ummm, just no. Define 'The West' and define' Defend itself' before talking anymore, if you please. If you mean defend against armed forces, rubbish. The British, French, German, Italian militaries alone are extremely advanced and have a large number of troops between them to defend against any agressors, plus a large nuclear arsenal. So on that respect you're full of rubbish.

Or are you still going on about Muslim immigrants and their supposed 'danger'?

what are you talking about??

defend themselves from WHAT?

i think that if push ever comes to shove youll find the west is plenty capable of defending itself.

The principals of democracy, free expression, freedom of assembly, and freedom of conscience are strengths not weaknesses.

I direct you to the persuasive wisdom of Oliver Wendell Holmes in his dissent in Abrams v. United States (http://laws.findlaw.com/us/250/616.html ), 250 US 616, 630 (1919):

Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power and want a certain result with all your heart you naturally express your wishes in law and sweep away all opposition. To allow opposition by speech seems to indicate that you think the speech impotent, as when a man says that he has squared the circle, or that you do not care whole heartedly for the result, or that you doubt either your power or your premises. But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas-that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. It is an experiment, as all life is an experiment. Every year if not every day we have to wager our salvation upon some prophecy based upon imperfect knowledge. While that experiment is part of our system I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death, unless they so imminently threaten immediate interference with the lawful and pressing purposes of the law that an immediate check is required to save the country.

As I said, we should rely on the market place of ideas and vigilant protection of freedom for all -- not upon oppression of those with whom we disagree

Pretty much what i was implying in my point.

The principals of democracy, free expression, freedom of assembly, and freedom of conscience are strengths not weaknesses.



How is letting others take over a strength?

How is letting others take over a strength?

Who's taking over who and how?

How is letting others take over a strength?

Who?

Letting whom take over?

With the possible exception of America, the West seems not only entirely incapable of defending itself, it's culture and it's people, but does everything within it's power to make things worse. I don't understand it.
You're kidding, right? Or high?

With the possible exception of America, the West seems not only entirely incapable of defending itself, it's culture and it's people, but does everything within it's power to make things worse. I don't understand it.

What a tool. +1

Ummm, just no. Define 'The West' and define' Defend itself' before talking anymore, if you please. If you mean defend against armed forces, rubbish. The British, French, German, Italian militaries alone are extremely advanced and have a large number of troops between them to defend against any agressors, plus a large nuclear arsenal. So on that respect you're full of rubbish.

Or are you still going on about Muslim immigrants and their supposed 'danger'?

The West: Europe, America, Japan.

Defend itself: Protect it's native culture and native peoples from all and every threats.

Who?

Letting whom take over?

Them darned venusians, comin round 'ere with their blue skin and multifaceted eyes, taking over our western culture.

How is letting others take over a strength?

Allowing irrational hatred and reactionary fervor take over would grant these extremists a greater victory than anything they could ever hope for. By respecting our freedom of speech while simultaneously refusing to degenerate in to wanton violence (although we still reserve the right to self defense) we are dealing the forces of extremism a great blow. We are showing them that they cannot destroy the principles on which the modern world is founded.

The West: Europe, America, Japan.

Defend itself: Protect it's native culture and native peoples from all and every threats.

I repeat, and this time bolded and underlined so you can see it:

What threats? Who is the supposed threat?

Stop feeding the troll please.

Defend itself: Protect it's native culture and native peoples from all and every threats.

Has there ever been a time that this has been done in America?

Stop feeding the troll please.

The best way to do that is to turn it in to a legitimate discussion...

What is European culture? We're talking two and a half millennia of history, during which time people washed in and out like waves. Eventually we enslaved the world, plundered it, and are now able to live off the proceeds forever.

Me, I'm part Ukrainian, part Siberian, part Mongolian, atheist technocrat and EU nationalist working for a European multinational corporation. I am a symbol of stagnation and decline? Bullshit. I'm a symbol of complexity beyond your experience.

So there's a new kid on the block. You know what? Meh.

How is letting others take over a strength?

Letting whom take over?

(Please re-read the quote. I don't think you understood it. The whole point is the marketplace of ideas will work itself out. One doesn't try to "stop" "others" from "tak[ing] over." One sticks by one's principles.)

Am I genuinely missing something here? Who or what is the threat?

The West: Europe, America, Japan.

Defend itself: Protect it's native culture and native peoples from all and every threats.
HEY

the US is as accomodating as any european country. we dont "protect our culture and native peoples...etc" more than they do!

Am I genuinely missing something here? Who or what is the threat?

The Swiss.

Am I genuinely missing something here? Who or what is the threat?
I think he means black people. His ilk is always the same.

The West: Europe, America, Japan.

Japan = West? Yeah, can see Japan drifted right by the Queen Charlotte Islands. :rolleyes:

Defend itself: Protect it's native culture and native peoples from all and every threats.

protect from what?

Am I genuinely missing something here? Who or what is the threat?
I bet he'sreferring to Muslims again:rolleyes:

Stop feeding the troll please.

STOP REPLYING TO THIS THREAD.

Allowing irrational hatred and reactionary fervor take over would grant these extremists a greater victory than anything they could ever hope for. By respecting our freedom of speech while simultaneously refusing to degenerate in to wanton violence (although we still reserve the right to self defense) we are dealing the forces of extremism a great blow. We are showing them that they cannot destroy the principles on which the modern world is founded.

No! That's just it! You think that's letting them win! But they're not that smart! To them, "win" means "conquer"!

The Swiss.

I knew it! Dang Swiss and their cheese-hoarding ways...

Me, I'm part Ukrainian, part Siberian, part Mongolian, atheist technocrat and EU nationalist working for a European multinational corporation. I am a symbol of stagnation and decline? Bullshit. I'm a symbol of complexity beyond your experience..

If anything, that makes it sound like the concept of a "West" is obsolete; I think the OP still believes that there are clear cultural delineations between the West and the rest of the world...outdated at best.

Wait... is this guy saying the Western Countries cannot defend themsleves from... THEMSELF?!

The West: Europe, America, Japan.

Defend itself: Protect it's native culture and native peoples from all and every threats.

So you are for returning our lands to the indigenous peoples?

And here I thought you were going to be all kooky.

I repeat, and this time bolded and underlined so you can see it:

What threats? Who is the supposed threat?

If you don't know, you don't read the news. And somehow missed out on 9/11, 10/12, 7/7...

I knew it! Dang Swiss and their cheese-hoarding ways...

They let Phil Collins live there you know. Don't truss em.

Wait... is this guy saying the Western Countries cannot defend themsleves from... THEMSELF?!
he does have a point

i have a hard time defending myself from myself.

I think he means black people. His ilk is always the same.

I think this particular breed point to browner people.

If you don't know, you don't read the news. And somehow missed out on 9/11, 10/12, 7/7...

Oh noes!!11 Teh Muslims are going to invade and blow us to hell!!

Listen mate, wisen up a bit. Terrorism statistically kills less people than swimming pools do, in the US alone, probably more so in 'The West'. Only the fanatics are a problem, and there aren't too many of them. But hey, what am I talking about, you're just as fanatical as they are...

I agree that the west is showing itself up to be pathetic and weak. It's got to the point where people can no longer rely on their governments to defend them, people now need to take matters into their own hands. Perhaps we could do with our very own Cronulla Beach....

No! That's just it! You think that's letting them win! But they're not that smart! To them, "win" means "conquer"!

Apparently, you have the same misunderstanding of what Western democracy is about that the extreme Islamists do.

With the possible exception of America, the West seems not only entirely incapable of defending itself, it's culture and it's people, but does everything within it's power to make things worse.
I would say that America is the only country that is NOT an exception.

By the way, are you a fundamentalist Protestant Republican? I think I've got it after all these posts.

You know what, fuck this. I'm not fighting for this. My dad wasted his time and youth helping you idiots in Vietnam.

If you don't know, you don't read the news. And somehow missed out on 9/11, 10/12, 7/7...
and skinnyt87 wins the prize with post#6!!

congratulations! maybe someone will give you a cookie!

Where's that Pro-USA guy? He was much funnier....

We stand a greater chance of committing suicide than being killed by tehrrists.

As a male in my 20s, suicide aside, I can also expect a higher chance of dying in a car accident or a random incident of drunken violence.

You know what, fuck this. I'm not fighting for this. My dad wasted his time and youth helping you idiots in Vietnam.

I wasn't in Vietnam, perhaps he mistook me for my cousin Archie?

You know what, fuck this. I'm not fighting for this. My dad wasted his time and youth helping you idiots in Vietnam.
you mean back when we were threatened by the VIETNAMESE????

You know what, fuck this. I'm not fighting for this. My dad wasted his time and youth helping you idiots in Vietnam.
Yes, it was a waste of time. Coca Cola advertising department employees made a greater contribution, frankly.

You know what, fuck this. I'm not fighting for this. My dad wasted his time and youth helping you idiots in Vietnam.

Your critics here are mostly fellow Americans. I am, for example.

And, yes, your dad's sacrifices were wasted in Vietnam.

and skinnyt87 wins the prize with post#6!!

congratulations! maybe someone will give you a cookie!

Sweet, a cookie...

(You're not being sarcastic, right? It's 1:30 here and I just played Halo for two hours straight, my breain isn't at 100%)

Oh noes!!11 Teh Muslims are going to invade and blow us to hell!!

Listen mate, wisen up a bit. Terrorism statistically kills less people than swimming pools do, in the US alone, probably more so in 'The West'. Only the fanatics are a problem, and there aren't too many of them. But hey, what am I talking about, you're just as fanatical as they are...

"Oh terrorists kill less people that swimming pools" SO WHAT!? We shouldn't have to put up with it! We shouldn't have to have that worry drilling in the back of our mind every time we board a train!

Vietnam?

What the hell does that have to do with supposed Muslim dangers? Did I skip a chapter or ten?

You know what, fuck this. I'm not fighting for this. My dad wasted his time and youth helping you idiots in Vietnam.

Are you suggesting the Vietnamese were planning on invading Europe?

I agree that the west is showing itself up to be pathetic and weak. It's got to the point where people can no longer rely on their governments to defend them, people now need to take matters into their own hands. Perhaps we could do with our very own Cronulla Beach....

Pathetic and weak? Yes that makes absoloute sense, so the US and Afghanisan were succesfully invaded by a pathetic and weak government?

And since when is the government unable to defend its people? From terrorism I deduct you are reffering to.. But how can citizens individually combat terrorism? Thats impossible, are random citizens going to go to the airport and set up their own baggage checks and the such? I think not.

Cronulla Beach was just plain racism and solved nothing, It only served to increase violence in those suburbs, how dare you.

"Oh terrorists kill less people that swimming pools" SO WHAT!? We shouldn't have to put up with it! We shouldn't have to have that worry drilling in the back of our mind every time we board a train!

You're damn skippy we shouldn't. The sooner we start hunting down them dang swimmingpools and filling them in, the better...

Sweet, a cookie...

(You're not being sarcastic, right? It's 1:30 here and I just played Halo for two hours straight, my breain isn't at 100%)
you DO win. im just not sure im authorized to give you a cookie myself

but it would be a nice chocolate chip cookie with macadamia nuts

and skinnyt87 wins the prize with post#6!!

congratulations! maybe someone will give you a cookie!Heh, I will. :D

What cookie do you like?

Btw Kievan-Prussia, you're funny.

"Oh terrorists kill less people that swimming pools" SO WHAT!? We shouldn't have to put up with it! We shouldn't have to have that worry drilling in the back of our mind every time we board a train!

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE NEXT TIME YOU GO SWIMMING!!!11!11!1!1

Are you suggesting the Vietnamese were planning on invading Europe?

The Vietnamese and the Swiss.

"Oh terrorists kill less people that swimming pools" SO WHAT!? We shouldn't have to put up with it! We shouldn't have to have that worry drilling in the back of our mind every time we board a train!

So because your paranoid whole ethnic groups must suffer?

I've actually use train on a very regular basis and I never have that worry.

The Vietnamese and the Swiss.

Dammit, I warned you all about the tunnels and you dismissed me as a foolish fool.

Now who's the fool?

You're damn skippy we shouldn't. The sooner we start hunting down them dang swimmingpools and filling them in, the better...

sometimes i have trouble sleeping at night for worrying about those damned swimmingpools (i dont ride the train) and NOW i hear that my niece is putting one in at her house! ill never sleep again!

Okay, so, here's what I think he means:


The dastardly Swiss, aided by aged Vietnamese guerilla fighters, alongside the Swimmingpool Makers Coalition, are going to invade The West and subdue it. Possibly using a plan involving macadamia nuts....

...The Swine!

The Vietnamese and the Swiss.

It's a noted fact that the Vietnamese are just Swiss people MADE UP TO LOOK FOREIGN.

What is European culture? We're talking two and a half millennia of history, during which time people washed in and out like waves. Eventually we enslaved the world, plundered it, and are now able to live off the proceeds forever.

Me, I'm part Ukrainian, part Siberian, part Mongolian, atheist technocrat and EU nationalist working for a European multinational corporation. I am a symbol of stagnation and decline? Bullshit. I'm a symbol of complexity beyond your experience.

So there's a new kid on the block. You know what? Meh.

Oh..I'm gonna do me. Well, I'm Atlantian [Hi, Atlantian!], and I am part German (Prussian), part Austrian, and part Russian. I'm also a Jewish conservative...and American nationalist working still in high school but soon to be working for the goal of American superiority but also bringing Europa and America closer together. I know those two goals seem like an oxymoron, but nothing makes me happier than having America and Europa close. However, I fear the only way we are gonna get close again is if something bad (Iran?) happens that brings us together for nessesity...like WWII, or the Cold war.

The Vietnamese and the Swiss.

Well, the Swiss have the clear geographical advantage..

*reads through topic*

In hindsight, the West deserved 9/11 and 7/7.

I agree that the west is showing itself up to be pathetic and weak. It's got to the point where people can no longer rely on their governments to defend them, people now need to take matters into their own hands. Perhaps we could do with our very own Cronulla Beach....

Yes, angry mobs taking matters into their own hands is just what we need.

Racist mobs in Cronulla Beach.

Muslim mobs in Syria.

Mobs are the wave of the future. Whoopee!

Well, the Swiss have the clear geographical advantage..

They also hold 50% of the world's chocolate reserve. If they aligned themselves with the Belgians....

The horror....the horror...

you guys have me laughing so hard that i had to wipe the tears out of my eyes

Yes, angry mobs taking matters into their own hands is just what we need.

Racist mobs in Cronulla Beach.

Muslim mobs in Syria.

Mobs are the wave of the future. Whoopee!

Personally i think we need another "Redondo Beach". Followed by "Horses" and "Free Money".

More Patti Smith would make the world a better place.

*reads through topic*

In hindsight, the West deserved 9/11 and 7/7.

Please come down off of that cross. We need to wood to build a bridge.

They also hold 50% of the world's chocolate reserve. If they aligned themselves with the Belgians....

The horror....the horror...

Oh, don't get me started on the Belgians and their gene-baby factories...

Please come down off of that cross. We need to wood to build a bridge.

A Bridge, indeed...

...TO INVADE SWITZERLAND!

Please come down off of that cross. We need to wood to build a bridge.

"Jesus, stop biting your nails!"

"Jesus, stop biting your nails!"

'Always look on the bright side of life...'

Please come down off of that cross. We need to wood to build a bridge.

I'm under the impression that this is less of a cross and more of an orthopedic implant to replace the backbone ;)

The West: Europe, America, Japan.LOL.

how pathetic

'Always look on the bright side of life...'

"Blessed are the meek? Aw, thats nice, it's about time they got something"

LOL.

how pathetic


Hey!!!


'Bout time you turned up. Party was getting boring...

Oh, don't get me started on the Belgians and their gene-baby factories...

Chocolate gene-babies?

*reads through topic*

In hindsight, the West deserved 9/11 and 7/7.

*Also reads through topic*

In hindsight, I think you just pulled a 180 and are totally bipolar, just my opinion though.

The West is a joke.

Well it's not a very funny one.

Aw.. Kievan-Prussia didn't include Australia in the 'West'

Im going to go have a cry in the corner.

This is funny. Kievan-Prussia thinks the west can't protect it's native culture because Coca-Cola invaded Canada. I think that's what he's trying to say. :D

Chocolate gene-babies?

Sweet Gene Vincent.

This thread is a joke...

This thread is a joke...

i bloody hope so, i've tried to be mildly amusing.

Chocolate gene-babies?

Nononono,


Swiss-Belgian-Vietnamese gene-babies, fed on pure nougat to retain a glossy coat, then unleashed against 'The West' via the bridge we so foolishly built with Jesus' wooden cross...

This thread is a joke...

Wasn't that the intention? I'm really trying to get the promissed laugh out of it...

This thread is a joke...
Kievan-Prussia is a joke...

Nononono,


Swiss-Belgian-Vietnamese gene-babies, fed on pure nougat to retain a glossy coat, then unleashed against 'The West' via the bridge we so foolishly built with Jesus' wooden cross...

Led by Osama Bin Collins, evil drum maestro leader of Al Quaeda/Toblerone.

Wasn't that the intention? I'm really trying to get the promissed laugh out of it...

Yeah, but it just fell flat and faded away...no punchline or anything.

"Oh terrorists kill less people that swimming pools" SO WHAT!? We shouldn't have to put up with it! We shouldn't have to have that worry drilling in the back of our mind every time we board a train!
Then I would suggest your cowardice is your problem.

You have a greater chance of being killed in a train accident caused by faulty maintenance, than sabotage.

Suicide and cars. If you die young, that's what it will be.

*Also reads through topic*

In hindsight, I think you just pulled a 180 and are totally bipolar, just my opinion though.

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.

Uh dude...last time I checked, we along with the support of the west invaded Afghanastan and overthrew the Taliban, who were supporting and harboring al queida.

Any of that ring a bell?

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.

Er.. I think you missed the whole 'War of terrorism' thing. Dude.. as you have said before on this thread, read the newspaper more.

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.

Oh, so a few people post things you disagree with and you think the west isn't worth saving all of a sudden.

God, TALK ABOUT FICKLE.

Kievan-Prussia is one of those people who makes you move further from his stance every time he talks about it.

bring the perpertrators to justice.


And they are...?

This thread is a joke...

Well it's not a very funny one.

Kievan-Prussia is one of those people who makes you move further from his stance every time he talks about it.

Personally, I'd be worried if I was ever close his stance to start with :p

And they are...?


THE SWISS!

You fools! You are all blind - you hear me, blind? God, so pathetic. The Swiss control all the world's chocolate, and you't even see it. No wonder I fought in the Swiss Chocolate Wars for nothing...

Uh dude...last time I checked, we along with the support of the west invaded Afghanastan and overthrew the Taliban, who were supporting and harboring al queida.

Any of that ring a bell?

Yeah, and that really helped to prevent 7/7.

And they are...?

Dead... if I recall correctly they hijacked and crashed four aircraft. Last time I checked, they didnt survive.

Unless he is talking about Osama, in which case never mind.

THE SWISS!

You fools! You are all blind - you hear me, blind? God, so pathetic. The Swiss control all the world's chocolate, and you't even see it. No wonder I fought in the Swiss Chocolate Wars for nothing...

Did my buddies die face down in the cocoa plantations of Vietnam for this?

Oh, don't get me started on the Belgians and their gene-baby factories...

Hey! Be careful you! There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures...
and the Dutch. :D My thanks to Austin Powers for that one

But you should all calm down. There is no threat out there. At least not in the form of a conspiracy, and definitely not a conspiracy involving the Illuminati because, as we all know, there is no such thing as the Illuminati.
Honest. ;) Fnord

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.

Again with matyrdom complex.

We invaded Afghanistan and toppled the Taliban.

We invaded Iraq.

We are in a full-scale "War against Terror."

WTF more do you want?

Just because we won't join you in beating up random Muslims on the beach, doesn't say we won't fight terrorism.

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.
did you miss the war in afghanistan?

we're coming up on losing the same number of military personelle as what we lost at the wtc. if thats not conviction what is?

all im saying is that someone here might need a nap

Yeah, and that really helped to prevent 7/7.

Okay, smart guy. If you have all the answers, what will stop these 'bad people' then? Do tell...

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.
That's nothing. It's a system loss. Inefficiency. Operating expense. Overhead. Call it what you will. Where there is a civilisation, there are casualties. It is as much a natural byproduct of our way of life as alcohol-related death, road accients, accidental electrocution, etc.

THE SWISS!

You fools! You are all blind - you hear me, blind? God, so pathetic. The Swiss control all the world's chocolate, and you't even see it. No wonder I fought in the Swiss Chocolate Wars for nothing...

You my friend, are insane. I could swear you have been trying to hiijack this thread since you first posted on here. You deserve a clap. Please, somebody give him a clap.

Why should anyone bother fighting for this? 3000 of their own people die and it's no big deal to them. They don't fight to avenge them, or to bring the perpertrators to justice. They don't even fight to prevent it from happening again. This culture isn't worth saving.

No culture ever is. No culture can be kept alive by fighting for it. As soon as that becomes necessary, the culture is long dead.
Why would I seek to avenge anybody? What good does that do? Revenge is nothing but personal gratification for sadists.
Prevent it from happening again? Let me explain something to you: You can never have total freedom and total safety at the same time. If you want freedom, you have to live with the risks. If you want security, you have to live in a cage. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you prefer the cage, be my guest.
Bringing the perpetrators to justice? They blew themselves up, so that's really out of our hands right now...

Yeah, and that really helped to prevent 7/7.

Are you planning on arguing both sides of this argument?

Yeah, and that really helped to prevent 7/7.

That was the arabs trying to stop England from being an ally of America in the war on terror...but England didnt falter from the fight even though they were attacked....seems your weak west isnt as weak as you think it is.

THE SWISS!

You fools! You are all blind - you hear me, blind? God, so pathetic. The Swiss control all the world's chocolate, and you't even see it. No wonder I fought in the Swiss Chocolate Wars for nothing...

Don't forget the gnomes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_of_Zurich)

You my friend, are insane. I could swear you have been trying to hiijack this thread since you first posted on here. You deserve a clap. Please, somebody give him a clap.

God, give him the credit! I was the one who brought the Swiss to the worlds notice.

<mutters something about prophets, no honour, own country>

You my friend, are insane. I could swear you have been trying to hiijack this thread since you first posted on here. You deserve a clap. Please, somebody give him a clap.

*Bows*

I thank-you

Its 2:00 in the morning here, I'm very tired and hyper, and I'm trying to parody this guy's statement to show how ludicrous he is.

And, of course, to show how evil the Swiss really are...

You my friend, are insane. I could swear you have been trying to hiijack this thread since you first posted on here. You deserve a clap. Please, somebody give him a clap.

*claps enthusiastically

No culture ever is. No culture can be kept alive by fighting for it. As soon as that becomes necessary, the culture is long dead.
Why would I seek to avenge anybody? What good does that do? Revenge is nothing but personal gratification for sadists.
Prevent it from happening again? Let me explain something to you: You can never have total freedom and total safety at the same time. If you want freedom, you have to live with the risks. If you want security, you have to live in a cage. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you prefer the cage, be my guest.
Bringing the perpetrators to justice? They blew themselves up, so that's really out of our hands right now...

*applauds*

That was the arabs trying to stop England from being an ally of America in the war on terror...but England didnt falter from the fight even though they were attacked....seems your weak west isnt as weak as you think it is.

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western retard you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be sent to hell!

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western reatrd you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be send to hell!

Sounds good to me, you'll need someone to do all the jobs when the indigenous population hits 60.

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western reatrd you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be send to hell!

Close the borders! Erect the walls of deathTM and let loose the dogs! May the Swiss never get through!

Grrr, hiss, seeth. Etc etc

How old are you, really?

Close the borders! Erect the walls of deathTM and let loose the dogs! May the Swiss never get through!

The bastards will probably ski-jump over the walls.

Sounds good to me, you'll need someone to do all the jobs when the indigenous population hits 60.

What part of "welfare" and "send to hell" did you not understand?

The bastards will probably ski-jump over the walls.

Really, what the hell do you guys have against the Swiss?? I have always loved the Swiss and Switzerland.

The bastards will probably ski-jump over the walls.

Or bribe the guards with chocolate....laced with cyanide. Typical Swiss trick, that is...

How old are you, really?

17.

You my friend, are insane. I could swear you have been trying to hiijack this thread since you first posted on here. You deserve a clap. Please, somebody give him a clap.

*Gives Skinny87 the clap... sorry, I meant a clap* :D

Really, what the hell do you guys have against the Swiss?? I have always loved the Swiss and Switzerland.

They have the world's supploy chocolate! And Gnomes, according to Wikipedia...

17.

I'm 16, where do you live?

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western retard you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be sent to hell!
That would really be a problem, if it were happening.

Hey! My birthday is 7/7! I command you all to stop talking about my birth as an act of terror!!!

17.

Sorry guys, he obviously forgot the decimal point.

He means, 1.7 Years of age.

What part of "welfare" and "send to hell" did you not understand?

Yeah, because of course every foreigner comes to "the west" to live off welfare.

I've never really seen it myself "oh, i will spend 6 weeks in the company of people trafficking gangs, locked in a container, where at least half my compadres will die because i want £60.60 Disability Living Allowance"

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western retard you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be sent to hell!

OMG. I think you just violated the cliched paranoia per letter volume. Now Jolt will explode.

What part of "welfare" and "send to hell" did you not understand?

You're right... maybe we should stop all those advertising campaigns in third world countries and Arabia begging for new immigrants and painting the west in rosy coulors, it's really attrackting too many people :rolleyes:

I don't know how much you know about Europe, but immigration into the EU is insanely difficult and naturalisation virtually impossible.

I'm 16, where do you live?

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.

Really, what the hell do you guys have against the Swiss?? I have always loved the Swiss and Switzerland.
too bad you arent a patriot. no REAL american loves the swiss. you must be a swiss terrorist wannabe!

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western retard you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be sent to hell!
Eh, you seen the race mix of the high-tech industries lately? Immigration is responsible for all technological advancement.

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.

Damn straight. You keep the Swiss and Vietnamese in little cages, and for that I shall be ever greatful! All hail Australia!

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.


lol? The whites are the natives in Australia? Didn't we (the UK) put them there?

17.17? Yeah I'm 17 too. You don't sound like 17, really.

That would really be a problem, if it were happening.

Tell that to my sister who was raped by muslims.

17.

That explains a lot.

Now, tell me again how Justice Holmes was wrong and we should oppress people in order to save freedom.

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.

The whites are the natives of Australia eh?

So, immigrants CAN be the natives of certain countries, no problem. As long as they are white immigrants and they kill brown people to possess said country.

Hypocrite.

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.

*rubs eyes...
Wow. You just outed yourself as white supremacist and are still expecting us to take you seriously?

What part of "welfare" and "send to hell" did you not understand?

Oh! That reminds me of one of my favourite quotes:
Where did this idea come from that everybody deserves free education? Free medical care? Free whatever? It comes from Moscow. From Russia. It comes straight out of the pit of hell.

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.

I like in australia too, I was wondering, would you happen to of been involved in the Cronulla Riots, or are you one of the 'still' extremely angry (not to mention 'out of it') aboriginies? Sorry I just need a better perspective on why your IQ doesn't seem that it could be over 20.

Tell that to my sister who was raped by muslims.

If thats true, I think your psyche just got explained...

lol? The whites are the natives in Australia? Didn't we (the UK) put them there?

Convicts, mostly. Hence the superior moral fiber :D

lol? The whites are the natives in Australia? Didn't we (the UK) put them there?
Indeed. I seem to recall reading about native New Zealanders being hunted for sport. I would not be surprised if his knowledge of history begins with 1941, such is the state of the education system these days.

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western retard you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be sent to hell!

Listen, I have my own views on arabs (I'm Jewish) and beleive me, they dont fall under the PC line...but, I think the reason countries still bring in immigrants from the arab countries is because, we still beleive in people. We beleive that while a person might be bad, people are fundemantlly good. We beleive that people move to the west for a better life and more opportunity. We beleive that we are the free lands of the world, open to world, and for the world. And the day we stop believing all that, is the day we die.

Although I am against welfare and do admit that there are cases where immigrants dont assimilate and cause lots of problems, however there are still more good people that these bad people, and until that ceases, we will continue with allowing immigrants.

Tell that to my sister who was raped by muslims.

By all muslims or just one or two?

Did they rape her because they were muslim?

Or are you misfocusing some anger?

(If your sister was raped by a WASP, would you now be a terrorist?)

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.So you're a Nazi. Geez, I knew it!

Tell that to my sister who was raped by muslims.

Huh... so I should hate German Catholics, then???

Tell that to my sister who was raped by muslims.

Well, you know, someone might accuse me of being callous here...

but i don't think the entire immigration and foreign policy stances of the entire Western world should be determined by what happened to one person.

Terrible though i am sure it was, sympathies extended etc.

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.

So, who the hell were those people that lived there before whites settled Australia? Trespassers?

By all muslims or just one or two?

Did they rape her because they were muslim?

Or are you misfocusing some anger?

A gang. They raped her because she was white. I don't wanna talk about it.

Australia. The one place where multiculturalism hasn't come back to kick the natives (by which I mean the whites) in the balls.

One word: Aborigines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Australians)

So, who the hell were those people that lived there before whites settled Australia? Trespassers?

Swiss trespassers, obviously.

By all muslims or just one or two?

Did they rape her because they were muslim?

Or are you misfocusing some anger?
Christ, imagine if they had been Catholic or Mormon. Now that would have been classic General Forum right there. :rolleyes:

By all muslims or just one or two?

Did they rape her because they were muslim?

Or are you misfocusing some anger?

Or(most likely) are you just plain out lying?

A gang. They raped her because she was white. I don't wanna talk about it.

You don't want to talk about it, yet bring it up to win an argument...hm.

too bad you arent a patriot. no REAL american loves the swiss. you must be a swiss terrorist wannabe!

Hans: "Damnit, Sven, they figured us out! Hurry, we must fly back to Geneva and head into the alps for hiding! To the Swiss-army-knife-mobile!"

Tell that to my sister who was raped by muslims.So what you're saying is all muslim rape people's sisters? Wow, great way to generalize the muslims.

A gang. They raped her because she was white. I don't wanna talk about it.

And because we ALL know that all Muslims are not white... NOT!

You are confusing Muslim with Arab! Get your facts straight and stop lying before spouting out bullshit!

A gang. They raped her because she was white. I don't wanna talk about it.

And so because of this, you have an eternal grudge against all muslims?
Its understandable that you wish not to talk about it though.
You have my sympathies, as long as you did not support the cronulla riots.

And at the same time, IMMIGRATION! FULL STEAM AHEAD! Pull in every terrorist, fascist and anti-Western retard you can find! Stuff them full of taxpayed welfare, and cower under your desk when they come out and call for the Great Satan West to be sent to hell!:rolleyes:

We are showing them that they cannot destroy the principles on which the modern world is founded.
I found this statement to be quite interesting.

What are the "principles on which the modern world is founded"?

AND

Who formulated these "principles"?

Or(most likely) are you just plain out lying?
Pwnt.

The troll weakens. If I knew anything about WOW, I'd put a witty gang chat command here.

I found this statement to be quite interesting.

What are the "principles on which the modern world is founded"?

AND

Who formulated these "principles"?

I didn't make that statement, but I'd say they weren't formulated in one document, they sort of evolved over the centuries.

Pwnt.

The troll weakens. If I knew anything about WOW, I'd put a witty gang chat command here.

YEAH! SOMEONE RESPONDS TO ONE OF MY POSTS! :HUGS:

YEAH! SOMEONE RESPONDS TO ONE OF MY POSTS! :HUGS:
Considering I have a 10k postcount, your odds were good. :p

YEAH! SOMEONE RESPONDS TO ONE OF MY POSTS! :HUGS:Hands him the cookie.

A gang. They raped her because she was white. I don't wanna talk about it.

You brought it up to try to win an argument. It is part of the discussion now.

If this did happen to your sister, she and you have my sincere condolences. I hope the perpetrators are punished to the full extent of the law.

But that doesn't justify your prejudice. Your making yourself no better than them.

(BTW, since when are Muslims a race and not a religion? Mulims can be white.)

*rubs eyes...
Wow. You just outed yourself as white supremacist and are still expecting us to take you seriously?

Just because you are not exaclty jumping for joy at multiculturalism, doesnt make you a White Supremacist. I dont know how it is in Australia, but here in America, multiculturalism is mostly hell. It wasnt always, it used to be good when we were a melting pot and people assimilated and became Americans first...Germans second, or whatever. But now, we call ourselves a salad bowl, because people move here, yet they do not become Americans, they stay Mexicans, or Cubans...or whatever. They speak spanish, which would be ok had they learned English as well, but they dont. They basically dont integrate into soceity. If things down under are like they are here, I can understand his being upset at multiculturalism, and since you are from Ireland, I really dont think you can understand that, no offense of course.

You know whats funny?

In Germany (pop of 82 millions), there are about 20,000 deaths each year, 35,000 in the US, 500,000 in the world, all of them attributed to just one cause.

The flu. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza)


So, terrorists don't make much impact statistically. But it is how they do it. Stalin once said: A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.

But Europe/the West not defending itself? Or not able to?
You must be kidding.

But they are not a threat to us. Let them talk all they want, just treat them like the madman at the corner or the trolls in the forums. Don't feed them (I know, I'm doing it myself).


No culture ever is. No culture can be kept alive by fighting for it. As soon as that becomes necessary, the culture is long dead.
Why would I seek to avenge anybody? What good does that do? Revenge is nothing but personal gratification for sadists.
Prevent it from happening again? Let me explain something to you: You can never have total freedom and total safety at the same time. If you want freedom, you have to live with the risks. If you want security, you have to live in a cage. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you prefer the cage, be my guest.
Bringing the perpetrators to justice? They blew themselves up, so that's really out of our hands right now...


@Cabra West: interesting point you made, but is it always that black and white?

So Kievan-Prussia

-You're 17
-An Australian
-A Nazi obviously
-Don't like immigrants
-Thinks whites are natives
-Thinks muslims are a bunch of arabs who rape people
-Thinks Japan is a western country

Dude, go to school.

And so because of this, you have an eternal grudge against all muslims?
Its understandable that you wish not to talk about it though.
You have my sympathies, as long as you did not support the cronulla riots.


I hate to break it to you, but he does. He says they were a fight for freedom and justice.

If this did happen to your sister, she and you have my sincere condolences. I hope the perpetrators are punished to the full extent of the law.

They got off. We got them back though.

So Kievan-Prussia

-You're 17
-An Australian
-A Nazi obviously
-Don't like immigrants
-Thinking whites are natives

Dude, go to school.

But school is obviously full of Muslim-espoused lies!

What? You raped one of THEIR sisters?

As I said, stop lying, the fact that you confused Muslim and Arab supports this.

Just because you are not exaclty jumping for joy at multiculturalism, doesnt make you a White Supremacist. I dont know how it is in Australia, but here in America, multiculturalism is mostly hell. It wasnt always, it used to be good when we were a melting pot and people assimilated and became Americans first...Germans second, or whatever. But now, we call ourselves a salad bowl, because people move here, yet they do not become Americans, they stay Mexicans, or Cubans...or whatever. They speak spanish, which would be ok had they learned English as well, but they dont. They basically dont integrate into soceity. If things down under are like they are here, I can understand his being upset at multiculturalism, and since you are from Ireland, I really dont think you can understand that, no offense of course.

Bullshit. Unadulterated bullshit.

And, yet, next to K-P you were sounding reasonable.

They got off. We got them back though.
Beat up the local take-away owner, huh? :rolleyes:

You're talking BS, and you have issues. I suggest doing a bit of travel, to see how things really are.

Just because you are not exaclty jumping for joy at multiculturalism, doesnt make you a White Supremacist. I dont know how it is in Australia, but here in America, multiculturalism is mostly hell. It wasnt always, it used to be good when we were a melting pot and people assimilated and became Americans first...Germans second, or whatever. But now, we call ourselves a salad bowl, because people move here, yet they do not become Americans, they stay Mexicans, or Cubans...or whatever. They speak spanish, which would be ok had they learned English as well, but they dont. They basically dont integrate into soceity. If things down under are like they are here, I can understand his being upset at multiculturalism, and since you are from Ireland, I really dont think you can understand that, no offense of course.

Common mistake. I live in Ireland, but I'm originally from Germany. And Ireland is in the middle of becoming a multicultural society faster than any society in history ever before.
Germany had long had similar problems with Trukish "immigrants" (they are not immigrants in the sense of the word, but that's a long story), and they still have them. In addition to that, Germany is opening up wide for immigrants from Russia and the former satelite states, as long as they can prove German heritage somewhere in their family tree (in some cases, the grandmother's German Shepard dog is enough proof). So, yes, multiculturalism isn't easy, but in my opinion we just have to find ways of dealing with it, because it's here to stay. Like it or not.

I found this statement to be quite interesting.

What are the "principles on which the modern world is founded"?

AND

Who formulated these "principles"?

"Principles" could be defined as:

Democracy, freedom of speech, tolerance for others' beliefs, respect for science, etc. Collectively, they could be referred to as "Human Rights and Freedoms". These "principles" have been enshrined by years of their existence and evolution in the minds of the world's greatest social thinkers, and are not so much the product of one person as they are the culmination of years of social and political evolution.

That isn't to say they are the apex of our social evolution, but they are the most advanced and beneficial as of today. However, given the decline of authoritarian rule in many places in the past few decades, it seems that democracy and freedom are the values of the modern world.

These values appeal to people almost universally; even in nations with a history of authoritarian rule, there are many people willing to die to achieve these ideals.

What? You raped one of THEIR sisters?

As I said, stop lying, the fact that you confused Muslim and Arab supports this.

muslims and arab are the same thing around here.

They got off. We got them back though.

Oh goody.

So you are a vigilante as well.

How special.

Did it matter if "them" you got was "them" that were guilty?

@Cabra West: interesting point you made, but is it always that black and white?

Security and freedom? No. That's why I said "absolute freedom". Most societies live a compromise between personal freedoms and security, some with more emphasis on freedom, others with more emphasis on security. That's just personal preference, really.

Oh goody.

So you are a vigilante as well.

How special.

Did it matter if "them" you got was "them" that were guilty?

Yes. We always find the right ones.

Beat up the local take-away owner, huh? :rolleyes:

You're talking BS, and you have issues. I suggest doing a bit of travel, to see how things really are.

Yep, get out, see the world... You could go to Switzerland, you know. :p
And in case you're not sure where it is, just consult CNN
http://uncyclopedia.org/images/6/6d/CNN-Switzerland.jpg

Bullshit. Unadulterated bullshit.

And, yet, next to K-P you were sounding reasonable.

It is...I'm assuming you read the rest of my post...Things were MUCH better off when we were a melting pot, rather than a salad bowl. You dont live in South Florida....San Diego is an aryan (WARNING...NOT NAZI PROPOGANDA.....JOKE, JUST A JOKE) paradise compared to South Florida. I have no problem with immigrants, spanish or whatever, as long as they integrate. Is that too much to ask for?

muslims and arab are the same thing around here.

"around here" = in K-P's brain

muslims and arab are the same thing around here.

Yes... to bad that there probably ARE White Muslims in Australia... at least I wouldnt be surprised if there were.

Also, how can someone get off on that? The evidence would be the sperm and other 'things' in your sisters... well, you know. Unless they used a condom. But I still think youa re full of it.

muslims and arab are the same thing around here.Muslims can be whites, Arabs can be Christians. You're thinking all Muslims are Arabs. Go to school.

EDIT: I am a fool.

Common mistake. I live in Ireland, but I'm originally from Germany. And Ireland is in the middle of becoming a multicultural society faster than any society in history ever before.
Germany had long had similar problems with Trukish "immigrants" (they are not immigrants in the sense of the word, but that's a long story), and they still have them. In addition to that, Germany is opening up wide for immigrants from Russia and the former satelite states, as long as they can prove German heritage somewhere in their family tree (in some cases, the grandmother's German Shepard dog is enough proof). So, yes, multiculturalism isn't easy, but in my opinion we just have to find ways of dealing with it, because it's here to stay. Like it or not.

Thats fine...I have no problem with multiculturalism...as long as we are a melting pot, and people assimilate and adopt American culture and become Americans, not just Mexicans living in America...do you get what I'm saying.

Ooo so does that mean I could move to Germany?...My background is Prussian, Austrian, and Russian.

I have no problem with immigrants, spanish or whatever, as long as they integrate. Is that too much to ask for?
Yeah, actually. You've basically said, unless I misheard you, "If you want to own property in place X, you have to abandon everything I dislike, and everyone should act the same".

Yes. We always find the right ones.

"We"?

"Always?"

How many times has your sister been raped?

Yes... to bad that there probably ARE White Muslims in Australia... at least I wouldnt be surprised if there were.

Also, how can someone get off on that? The evidence would be the sperm and other 'things' in your sisters... well, you know. Unless they used a condom. But I still think youa re full of it.

Man, what law? The law's always on their side. So wog boys fight back.

They invaded Austria!?!?

OMG, I'm really losing faith now...
That's the Chezc Republic!!! :headbang:

"We"?

"Always?"

How many times has your sister been raped?

When they attack us, we hit back. Simple.

muslims and arab are the same thing around here.
i thought you live in australia

there are no indonesian moslems in australia???

no iranian moslems?

no pakistani moslems?

no bangladeshi moslems?

how very odd.

"around here" = in K-P's brainHaha, good one Cat-Tribe. :D

:long, stunned, silence:

Yeah... your lying.

i thought you live in australia

there are no indonesian moslems in australia???

no iranian moslems?

no pakistani moslems?

no bangladeshi moslems?

how very odd.

All the same crap to us.

Yep, get out, see the world... You could go to Switzerland, you know. :p
I visited Geneva a few years ago, actually. It was a Sunday, so everything was closed, and my friend and I were hungry. Luckily, we came across Les Pyramides, an Egyptian cafe where omfg Muslims were smoking those crazy water pipes and watching an Arabian satellite news channel. Instead of killing us as infidels, the staff made us a pair of very nice goat cheese and tomato sandwiches. :)

All the same crap to us.

Us=Bigoted, intolerant, lying, gangsters.

OMG, I'm really losing faith now...
That's the Chezc Republic!!! :headbang:

Oops.

>.<

Yeah, actually. You've basically said, unless I misheard you, "If you want to own property in place X, you have to abandon everything I dislike, and everyone should act the same".

No. Dont be thick. Listen. I said, if you want to live in America, you need to become an American. Your allowed to keep your heritage, your language, your religion, and your customs...as long as you adopt the American ones as well. If thats too much to ask for, there is no reason why you would be moving to this country anyway. Now do you understand?

All the same crap to us.
I doubt you would recognise one if you saw one. Heh, you'd probably misidentify a Sikh or Hindu. :rolleyes:

Thats fine...I have no problem with multiculturalism...as long as we are a melting pot, and people assimilate and adopt American culture and become Americans, not just Mexicans living in America...do you get what I'm saying.

Ooo so does that mean I could move to Germany?...My background is Prussian, Austrian, and Russian.

If you're prepared to do the paperwork...

You see, culture is always a majority thing. If the majority in one area speaks Spanish rather than English, on what grounds do you demand them to still adapt to the English-speaking minority?
For a moment there I had this brilliant idea for a caricature as well... Imagine the skyline of New York, two Native Americans in the foreground, one saying to the other "You know, I don't mind those immigrants too much, really. I just wished they'd integrate themselves better..."

They invaded Austria!?!?
No the Czech Republic;)

All the same crap to us.

So you are just a Nazi-wannabe punk. So much for freedom and justice.

All the same crap to us.

Not even God knows how you think your self conpetent enough to determine someones guilt.

All the same crap to us.

You're impressing nobody here in case you hadn't noticed. Stupid big talk like that makes you look even more conceited and untruthful...

Yeah, actually. You've basically said, unless I misheard you, "If you want to own property in place X, you have to abandon everything I dislike, and everyone should act the same".

Exactically!

If you're prepared to do the paperwork...

You see, culture is always a majority thing. If the majority in one area speaks Spanish rather than English, on what grounds do you demand them to still adapt to the English-speaking minority?
For a moment there I had this brilliant idea for a caricature as well... Imagine the skyline of New York, two Native Americans in the foreground, one saying to the other "You know, I don't mind those immigrants too much, really. I just wished they'd integrate themselves better..."

Until the majority of our COUNTRY becomes hispanic and this turns itno a hispanic country, people will have to learn English, not expect people to learn Spanish and Korean to cater to your needs.

Also...yes, yes we did kill the indians and steal their land, but come on, it was SoOoO in fashion. I mean come on, every great empire/nation has done it at some time in their history.

No. Dont be thick. Listen. I said, if you want to live in America, you need to become an American. Your allowed to keep your heritage, your language, your religion, and your customs...as long as you adopt the American ones as well. If thats too much to ask for, there is no reason why you would be moving to this country anyway. Now do you understand?

That is too much to ask. Welcome to the West.

With the possible exception of America, the West seems not only entirely incapable of defending itself, it's culture and it's people, but does everything within it's power to make things worse. I don't understand it.

The West IS America, as in USA. We defend the world from idiots and tyranny. We are "The Chosen". Our God is with us Blindly. Blindly, WE RULE!!!

You're impressing nobody here in case you hadn't noticed. Stupid big talk like that makes you look even more conceited and untruthful...

That's not big talk. If I was big talking, I'd be talking about how I kill muslims every night. I don't.

No. Dont be thick. Listen. I said, if you want to live in America, you need to become an American. Your allowed to keep your heritage, your language, your religion, and your customs...as long as you adopt the American ones as well. If thats too much to ask for, there is no reason why you would be moving to this country anyway. Now do you understand?

It's just a guess, but I think you have modern transport to thank for that.
If people came to America before, they came there for work and food. But they knew that there was virtually no way they would ever be able to go back again. So they settled in and started to regard the place as their home.
Today, they come for money and food as well. But with the intention to save up and go back later on. So they don't see the need to integrate....

Kievan-Prussia, do you ever go to school or you get all your education from Stormfront?

The West IS America, as in USA. We defend the world from idiots and tyranny. We are "The Chosen". Our God is with us Blindly. Blindly, WE RULE!!!

Bro, how do you have a zero post count? Are you the anti-christ??

That's not big talk. If I was big talking, I'd be talking about how I kill muslims every night. I don't.

No, actually you're just insinuating that you raped the guys who raped your sister.... :rolleyes:

It's just a guess, but I think you have modern transport to thank for that.
If people came to America before, they came there for work and food. But they knew that there was virtually no way they would ever be able to go back again. So they settled in and started to regard the place as their home.
Today, they come for money and food as well. But with the intention to save up and go back later on. So they don't see the need to integrate....

Thats totally false.

You're impressing nobody here in case you hadn't noticed. Stupid big talk like that makes you look even more conceited and untruthful...

(Assuming he his telling the truth about his sister)

It also sounds like he cares less about his sister and the aweful thing that has happened to her, and more about kicking someone darker than himself in.

Until the majority of our COUNTRY becomes hispanic and this turns itno a hispanic country, people will have to learn English, not expect people to learn Spanish and Korean to cater to your needs.

Also...yes, yes we did kill the indians and steal their land, but come on, it was SoOoO in fashion. I mean come on, every great empire/nation has done it at some time in their history.

Why must it be a majority of the country -- as opposed to a state, a county, a town, a part of town?

Doesn't it bother you that K-P now thinks you agree with him?

The West IS America, as in USA. We defend the world from idiots and tyranny. We are "The Chosen". Our God is with us Blindly. Blindly, WE RULE!!!

Finally, a new puppet. I really hope you start posting some threads...we need a little more diversion around here.

No, actually you're just insinuating that you raped the guys who raped your sister.... :rolleyes:

That's retarded.

Until the majority of our COUNTRY becomes hispanic and this turns itno a hispanic country, people will have to learn English, not expect people to learn Spanish and Korean to cater to your needs.

Also...yes, yes we did kill the indians and steal their land, but come on, it was SoOoO in fashion. I mean come on, every great empire/nation has done it at some time in their history.

I wasn't accusing you, it was just a parallel that jumped into my mind. That happens from time to time ;)

Well, culture is dynamic. Yours is changing right now, there's no practical way of stopping that (you don't believe me, ask the French, they tried and failed)

Thats totally false.

Care to elaborate?

(Assuming he his telling the truth about his sister)

It also sounds like he cares less about his sister and the aweful thing that has happened to her, and more about kicking someone darker than himself in.

I can't go back and fix her past, but I can ruin her attackers future.

That's retarded.

So we finally agree on something :D

That's not big talk. If I was big talking, I'd be talking about how I kill muslims every night. I don't.

That you would put that as a good thing you might say says all that needs to be said about your narrow little mind.

I'm afraid I don't believe you anymore either.

I can't go back and fix her past, but I can ruin her attackers future.

That begs the question : What for?

That's not big talk. If I was big talking, I'd be talking about how I kill muslims every night. I don't.

You don't talk about your murderous ways, or you don't really murder anything at all, but time and life and what's worth doing, money, cheese, beer????

Why must it be a majority of the country -- as opposed to a state, a county, a town, a part of town?

Doesn't it bother you that K-P now thinks you agree with him?

Because...we are only as strong as we are united, and as weak as we are divided. Disunity is the downfall of empires. Again, I have absolutly no problem with immigration, and it is a blessing and a boon for our economy, but all I ask is that the people who immigrate stay true to the reason they immigrate and become Americans.

If you had all English states, and then a Spanish florida, Florida would be different and not on the same level. No one would be able to travel there, unless they know spanish, no one would be able to work there (because in south florida the cubans mostly hire other cubans...you know to help them out). Now imagine this with California and the Chinese. Its just a problem waiting to happen if people dont integrate.

I dont care what K-P thinks, he obviously has problems and I already stated that I seriously think he is bipolar.

That begs the question : What for?

I dunno. Because the government won't?

That's retarded.

You noticed!! Good for you. Now see if you can identify other retarded things about your "wog boys" fantasies.

Us=Bigoted, intolerant, lying, gangsters.

Ahhh the sweet smell of sweeping generalizations!

Bro, how do you have a zero post count? Are you the anti-christ??

The Lady Pharoah, actually. Mick, my main man, once sang a tune about me, in the Satanic Majesties Requests. Check out "She's a Rainbow" to learn more about me.

I dunno. Because the government won't?

Government have reasons. Do you?

I dunno. Because the government won't?The troll has weaken.

I can't go back and fix her past, but I can ruin her attackers future.

Yet you seem to have no sympathy for your sister, nor do you seem to care about her.

Care to elaborate?

People move to America to move to a better country than the one they are leaving. If you like your county you wouldnt smurfing emmigrate would you?

You noticed!! Good for you. Now see if you can identify other retarded things about your "wog boys" fantasies.

I haven't done anything wrong. I get back what people do to me.