NationStates Jolt Archive

Well if you do find something, telegram me on that NS thingy where your nation is. I'll see what I can find on Google either way.

No problem...alright bro I gotta go to bed. Good talking to you tonight, later.

You too Neu, if your reading this.

Hah..that whole articule on Thule in Wiki is amazing....So thats why we have a Thule air base!? Crazy. :p
Its a rather cool myth, the whole idea of the Atlantians descending on earth on a frozen "moon" and so on. :p Whether its true or not, who knows. I found it really funny when I first heard it. The weird thing is that the Thule Society's findings actually match what many ancient cultures account as the Great Brotherhood, and many historians are now looking into their theories. So little is known on Atlantis. So I remain silent on the matter until more findings come to light.

On a slightly weirder note, there was an advert by a company offering jobs to students on my uni campus recently with the email ...@ultimathule.com. Ultima Thule is the name of a very nationalistic rock band in Sweden. Odd.

No problem...alright bro I gotta go to bed. Good talking to you tonight, later.

You too Neu, if your reading this.
See you around then :)

<-- Not Hebrew Btw :D

I have to say, no, I do not think that I am racially different from other (goyishe :p ) white people. I think you can make a case that Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardi Jews are both two seperate ethnic groupings, but racially, I don't think that Jews are seperate.

I have to say, no, I do not think that I am racially different from other (goyishe :p ) white people. I think you can make a case that Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardi Jews are both two seperate ethnic groupings, but racially, I don't think that Jews are seperate.


Dont refer to other white people as goyishe or I will begin to refer to you as a kike.

Dont refer to other white people as goyishe or I will begin to refer to you as a kike.

I prefer "Hook-nose," thank you very much.

Yes, I'd say they are an ethnic group. Not a race though.:p

Dont refer to other white people as goyishe or I will begin to refer to you as a kike.

I agree....goyishe is usally a pretty low word, also, considering how you are saying that Jews ARE white, I think it might hurt your aguement.

Hebrews are the race, Judiasm is the religion.

Get it right, people.

Yes (non-Jewish) : Jews are a race

Yes (non-Jewish) : Jews are a race

Huh? What do you mean? How could you be a non-Jewish Jew?

Huh? What do you mean? How could you be a non-Jewish Jew?


He meant that he is a non-jew and he is saying that he considers jews to be a race.

He meant that he is a non-jew and he is saying that he considers jews to be a race.

Oh, nevermind then.

So, Strasse...if you dont mind me asking, what seems to be your problem with Jews?


(Its just my assumtion that I have gathered from your posts, however if you dont have a problem with Jews, correct my assumption)

So, Strasse...if you dont mind me asking, what seems to be your problem with Jews?

He's a neo-nazi or something.

So, Strasse...if you dont mind me asking, what seems to be your problem with Jews?


(Its just my assumtion that I have gathered from your posts, however if you dont have a problem with Jews, correct my assumption)


I dont have a problem with jews. Ever since I joined Nation States it has been the jews that have a problem with me.

And I am not a neo-nazi. I am a European Active Nihilist.

There are no human races.

"One of the more painful spectacles of modern science is that of human geneticists piously disavowing the existence of races even as they investigate the genetic relationships between 'ethnic groups.'" - Armand Marie Leroi, an evolutionary developmental biologist at Imperial College in London.

And here I thought you people weren't the kind for dogmatic devotion. Silly me.

I can tell you from experience that “being Jewish” is not just a matter of attending worship at the Synagogue. Generally, those that convert are only allowed to do so by marrying into it. However, Judaism is merely a religion, but being Hebrew is something only those born as such can be.

People today seem to often confuse "race" with "species". We are all members of the same human SPECIES. However, we are of different RACES or BREEDS (kind of like dogs) with our minor differences a result of our evolutionary environments, and possibly artificial selection. None of this necessarily makes one better or worse, but there are differences like it or not. Besides genetic evolution, humans are also capable of cultural evolution. In our social interactions we should look at the individual, not the collective.

I'd really have to define the Jews as a people. They aren't a single ethnic group, because they are made up of many ethnic groupings (Ashkenazik, Sephardic, Mizrachi, Ethiopian etc.). Which really makes Jews unique, it isn't fair to call them just a religion because many know that it goes far beyond that.

I wouldn't call them a race, so I think I am forced to use the term "people."

Our race is homo sapiens sapiens. Black, white, arab, jew, native american, asian, whatever, we are the same race.

I dont have a problem with jews. Ever since I joined Nation States it has been the jews that have a problem with me.

And I am not a neo-nazi. I am a European Active Nihilist.

Well I'm Jewish and I dont think I have a problem with you. Your posts just seem like they are filled with some kind of hidden anger towards Jews, and you are obviously entitled to your views, but I was just wondering what your reasoning was behind it.

Thats all.

I dont have a problem with jews. Ever since I joined Nation States it has been the jews that have a problem with me.

And I am not a neo-nazi. I am a European Active Nihilist.

Also, whats a EAN?

races are folk taxonomies subjugated by ethnic and cultural haughty teaching traditions.:sniper:

NO RACES, ONLY GENETIC CLINES.

I know I wasn't going to post on this thread any more, but I just had to point something out...


Homo sapiens sapiens is a SUBSPECIES designation. It means the sapiens subspecies of the sapiens species of the Homo genus. It has nothing to do with race. The "Human Race" is a misclassification. Humanity is a species, not a race.

judaism is a religion, but jews are also a cultural group and perhaps once an ethnic group, but certainly not a race(if race has any meaning which i doubt).

"One of the more painful spectacles of modern science is that of human geneticists piously disavowing the existence of races even as they investigate the genetic relationships between 'ethnic groups.'" - Armand Marie Leroi, an evolutionary developmental biologist at Imperial College in London.

And here I thought you people weren't the kind for dogmatic devotion. Silly me.

Which are "you people"?

Mr. Leroi says we are all mutants. So there. :p

"One of the more painful spectacles of modern science is that of human geneticists piously disavowing the existence of races even as they investigate the genetic relationships between 'ethnic groups.'" - Armand Marie Leroi, an evolutionary developmental biologist at Imperial College in London.

one has to wonder if this person considers the irish to be a race

Which are "you people"?

Mr. Leroi says we are all mutants. So there. :p

I was trying to subtly mimic Fass' tendency to use arrogant and condescending one-liners. Come to think of it, I forget the eye roll smilie. ;)

But hey, I kind of like the idea of being a mutant! So there. :p

one has to wonder if this person considers the irish to be a race

Considering that the Irish were never invaded by either the Romans, the Saxons, or the Norse I would wager that they DO in fact represent a more inclusive form of Celt. Much more so then your average Brit.

EDIT: 1,000th post, I'm now a pimp! Yay! :D

one has to wonder if this person considers the irish to be a race

He's not even peer-review published on the subject of human genetics. His research focus is the nematode Caenorhabditis elegans.

EDIT: On the other hand:
Changing the paradigm from 'race' to human genome variation (http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1454.html)
American Anthropological Association Statement on "Race" (http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm)
http://www.genome.org/cgi/content/full/12/6/844
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1439.html
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/12/3/232S?maxtoshow=&HITS=&hits=&RESULTFORMAT=1&title=race&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=genetics&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1114039544645_36028&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=100&sortspec=relevance&fdate=1/1/1995&resourcetype=1
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1438.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/291/5507/1219?ijkey=z/aJLHX5GkJnA&key
http://www.bioethics.umn.edu/afrgen/html/Themythofrace.html
(I'm too lazy to link all the dozens of articles I have.)

Considering that the Irish were never invaded by either the Romans, the Saxons, or the Norse I would wager that they DO in fact represent a more inclusive form of Celt. Much more so then your average Brit.

and the celts are a race?

and the celts are a race?

Certainly. You can't stand one up next to an Iranian, compare their genes, and tell me there isn't a difference without muttering dogma. It is not a matter of white people vs. black people, but denying the measure all together is no less shallow and baseless.

Mostly I figure that the problem lies with the history and emotional baggage of the word "race" and less with scientific evidence.

Certainly. You can't stand one up next to an Iranian, compare their genes, and tell me there isn't a difference without muttering dogma. It is not a matter of white people vs. black people, but denying the measure all together is no less shallow and baseless.

Mostly I figure that the problem lies with the history and emotional baggage of the word "race" and less with scientific evidence.

Speaking of muttering dogma ....

Certainly. You can't stand one up next to an Iranian, compare their genes, and tell me there isn't a difference without muttering dogma.

i'm afraid i'm going to have to ask you to lay out your schema of human races for me. cause it appears to be decidedly non-standard.

As a Jew, I feel we're a religion and a culture, but much too diverse to be called a race (a word I attatch no importance to). Oh, and Strasse? You have been looking for trouble. Remember that Holocaust denial thread you started...not to mention some other of your comments? BTW, it is far more then just the Jews on this forum who have problems with your statements.

i'm afraid i'm going to have to ask you to lay out your schema of human races for me. cause it appears to be decidedly non-standard.

apparently everyone is a race, because their genes are different.

As a Jew, I feel we're a religion and a culture, but much too diverse to be called a race (a word I attatch no importance to). Oh, and Strasse? You have been looking for trouble. Remember that Holocaust denial thread you started...not to mention some other of your comments? BTW, it is far more then just the Jews on this forum who have problems with your statements.

Amen.

Certainly. You can't stand one up next to an Iranian, compare their genes, and tell me there isn't a difference without muttering dogma.

Of course you can. Internal differences inside what you would call "races" are far more important than the differences between "races", making rational classification totally pointless.

For example, if you look on bloodtype proportions, you'll see that "white" french are closer to "black" citizen of ivory cost than they are with german. And each criteria will lead to completly different classifications. And add to that the individual variations within any group of population, which are far higher than the "racial" differences, you end up with absolutely no way to have human "races" in any sens of the word "race" commonly admited among biologists, and even no coherent way to classify human population that could macth closely or not your definition of "race".

Read Albert Jacquard books, for example, he's among the finest population geneticians, and his books are enlightenining.

Mostly I figure that the problem lies with the history and emotional baggage of the word "race" and less with scientific evidence.
Agreed.

As a Jew, I feel we're a religion and a culture, but much too diverse to be called a race (a word I attatch no importance to). Oh, and Strasse? You have been looking for trouble. Remember that Holocaust denial thread you started...not to mention some other of your comments? BTW, it is far more then just the Jews on this forum who have problems with your statements.

If I remember correctly you said you were not a Jew, just had Jewish parents, is that right?

Of course you can. Internal differences inside what you would call "races" are far more important than the differences between "races", making rational classification totally pointless.

For example, if you look on bloodtype proportions, you'll see that "white" french are closer to "black" citizen of ivory cost than they are with german. And each criteria will lead to completly different classifications. And add to that the individual variations within any group of population, which are far higher than the "racial" differences, you end up with absolutely no way to have human "races" in any sens of the word "race" commonly admited among biologists, and even no coherent way to classify human population that could macth closely or not your definition of "race".

Read Albert Jacquard books, for example, he's among the finest population geneticians, and his books are enlightenining.

Exactically!

What an interesting thread...so lets see:

From a medical point of view (which I am inclined to take in most moments) there are no human races, the genome of my neighbour/classmate/girlfriend can be more different to mine (central european/caucasian) than that of a pygmea from central africa...so, no genetic base for the "race concept" - no race! Second, judaism is a religion, sure you wouldn´t count all christians or moslems as racial entities...

Right, so heres my pickle. If you are a German and have all Germanic characteristics, yet you are Jewish and your family is Jewish for as far back as you can trace, are you an ethnic Jew, or ethnic German?

Then you will have a german jew (sadly there are only few of that any more), german by birth, jew either by birth and -later- consent decision or through conversion...btw, what are german characteristics...go on, humor me

What an interesting thread...so lets see:

From a medical point of view (which I am inclined to take in most moments) there are no human races, the genome of my neighbour/classmate/girlfriend can be more different to mine (central european/caucasian) than that of a pygmea from central africa...so, no genetic base for the "race concept" - no race! Second, judaism is a religion, sure you wouldn´t count all christians or moslems as racial entities...



Then you will have a german jew (sadly there are only few of that any more), german by birth, jew either by birth and -later- consent decision or through conversion...btw, what are german characteristics...go on, humor me

I didnt mean German characteristics....I mean Germanic characteristics. You know, tall...broad shoulders, long face, light eyes, light hair...that whole thing.

I didnt mean German characteristics....I mean Germanic characteristics. You know, tall...broad shoulders, long face, light eyes, light hair...that whole thing.

Perhaps consider a book by Arno Braeker for that purpose...you see, I am german but not truly "germanic"...tall: 185cm, broad shoulders: don´t know, long face: you don´t mean the german sheep-dog, do you, with the long snout...light eyes: yes, sometimes there is light in my eyes, especially when I see threads like this, light hair: yes, it is thinning, but do you have to point that out to me :confused: or what was your gist?

Btw, as above there is no medical background for the "race concept"...so there is no such thing as "germanic" characteristics?

Perhaps consider a book by Arno Braeker for that purpose...you see, I am german but not truly "germanic"...tall: 185cm, broad shoulders: don´t know, long face: you don´t mean the german sheep-dog, do you, with the long snout...light eyes: yes, sometimes there is light in my eyes, especially when I see threads like this, light hair: yes, it is thinning, but do you have to point that out to me :confused: or what was your gist?

Btw, as above there is no medical background for the "race concept"...so there is no such thing as "germanic" characteristics?

Not all Germans have to be like that...but the point of Germanic characteristics is that they are characteristics that come from the Germanic peoples only. So basically...not all Germanic people have to be blonde, not even a majority (which they arnt), but all blonde people have to be germanic.

As a Jew, I feel we're a religion and a culture, but much too diverse to be called a race (a word I attatch no importance to). Oh, and Strasse? You have been looking for trouble. Remember that Holocaust denial thread you started...not to mention some other of your comments? BTW, it is far more then just the Jews on this forum who have problems with your statements.

Ha and I thought OceanDrive was the token revisionist.

Not all Germans have to be like that...but the point of Germanic characteristics is that they are characteristics that come from the Germanic peoples only. So basically...not all Germanic people have to be blonde, not even a majority (which they arnt), but all blonde people have to be germanic.

There is simply no such thing medically as Germanic characteristics.

Blonde people can be of many ethnic backgrounds.

There are no human races.

Wow! We actually agree for once! :eek:

There is simply no such thing medically as Germanic characteristics.

Blonde people can be of many ethnic backgrounds.

Like what...for example. Name Blonde people from other backgrounds that arnt Germanic....

Like what...for example. Name Blonde people from other backgrounds that arnt Germanic....

*sigh*

I cited about a dozen peer reviewed articles dismissing the idea of race already. I see no need to pander to your ignorance further.

EDIT: I know an Italian blonde. I know an African blonde. I know you'll try to claim Germanic seed was spread everywhere, but that makes the definition pointless, doesn't it?

*sigh*

I cited about a dozen peer reviewed articles dismissing the idea of race already. I see no need to pander to your ignorance further.

EDIT: I know an Italian blonde. I know an African blonde. I know you'll try to claim Germanic seed was spread everywhere, but that makes the definition pointless, doesn't it?

No it doesnt.

*Sigh* Germanic doesnt mean German....Germans are Germanic...but so are Scandanavians, Dutch...etc. Italians...mostly in North Italy...are very Germanic, where as Afrikaans (South Africa) are Dutch which are Germanic. So its very likely that there will be blonde Africans and blonde Italians. For instance, did you see the movie Munich...one of the Jewish assasin team members was an Afrikaan from South Africa...he was blond with blue eyes.

.....Got any more?

Like what...for example. Name Blonde people from other backgrounds that arnt Germanic....

finns and aboriginal australians

Race is a social construct, not a result of physiological difference. There is no genetic basis for race.

Therefore, if a group of people are accepted as a 'race' then they are one. Why deny that Jews are a race? Hell, we CALL them Jews. Therefore, even if you don't believe that they are a race, you are classifying them as one simply by recognizing their name.:headbang:

finns and aboriginal australians

Finns...I'm pretty sure are mixed with Swedes, Russians, Slavs, Lapps, Maygars (sp)...As for Aborginies..I was under the impression that they are black?????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png

No it doesnt.

*Sigh* Germanic doesnt mean German....Germans are Germanic...but so are Scandanavians, Dutch...etc. Italians...mostly in North Italy...are very Germanic, where as Afrikaans (South Africa) are Dutch which are Germanic. So its very likely that there will be blonde Africans and blonde Italians. For instance, did you see the movie Munich...one of the Jewish assasin team members was an Afrikaan from South Africa...he was blond with blue eyes.

.....Got any more?

So even though a blonde may have no German ancestry, the blondeness itself is "Germanic." What tidy circular reasoning.

Again, the experts have weighed in and your theories are silly.

So even though a blonde may have no German ancestry, the blondeness itself is "Germanic." What tidy circular reasoning.

Again, the experts have weighed in and your theories are silly.

No..your acting retarded. I have already told you..Germanic and German DONT mean the same thing. Swedes, Dutch, Austrians, Afrikaans are all Germanic, yet no one would consider them Germans.

Finns...I'm pretty sure are mixed with Swedes, Russians, Slavs, Lapps, Maygars (sp)...As for Aborginies..I was under the impression that they are black?????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png

finnish isn't a germanic language - therefore finns aren't ethnically germanic.

and yes, australian natives are very dark skinned. they also have a very high incidence of blondness. as do people from the highlands of png, though to a lesser extent.

No..your acting retarded. I have already told you..Germanic and German DONT mean the same thing. Swedes, Dutch, Austrians, Afrikaans are all Germanic, yet no one would consider them Germans.

Then what does Germanic mean? It means blonde?

And yes, my scientific articles are quite retarded.
See http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10323215&postcount=281

I notice you haven't answered Free Soviets about Finns and Aborigines.

Then what does Germanic mean? It means blonde?

And yes, my scientific articles are quite retarded.
See http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10323215&postcount=281

I notice you haven't answered Free Soviets about Finns and Aborigines.

Germanic is a word for any Germanic people, regardless of nationality. German, is a name given to the people of Germany.

Example...a Dutch and a German are both Germanic, but you would never call a Dutch a German.


I did answer him.

finnish isn't a germanic language - therefore finns aren't ethnically germanic.

and yes, australian natives are very dark skinned. they also have a very high incidence of blondness. as do people from the highlands of png, though to a lesser extent.

Right but the Finnish people mixed with the Germanics, along with a bunch of other groups.

Could you post a source for the aborginies (I'm not arguing with you I have just never heard of a blonde aborigine before this) also...what exactly is "png"?

No.

Name Blonde people from other backgrounds that arnt Germanic....
How about Slavs? Lot's of blondes.

How about Slavs? Lot's of blondes.

Slavs have mixed with Germans/Austrians/Scandanavians and Russians which have some Scandanavian in them. Vikings settled Russia, more or less.

Right but the Finnish people mixed with the Germanics, along with a bunch of other groups.

presumably, cause so has everybody. but the finns are the ones with the highest blonde population and they don't speak a germanic language - shit, it's not even an indo-european language. i stick by my stand of placing them outside of any germanic ethnicity.

Could you post a source for the aborginies (I'm not arguing with you I have just never heard of a blonde aborigine before this) also...what exactly is "png"?

http://www.gccommune.com/kozy/images/aboriginal.jpg

it's most pronounced in kids and females, but blonde adult males aren't unheard of either.

png = papua new guinea


it occurs to me that the new travel channel show 'tribal life' that focuses on the bunlap custom village in vanuatu has at least one blondish person.

http://www.gccommune.com/kozy/images/aboriginal.jpg

it's most pronounced in kids and females, but blonde adult males aren't unheard of either.

png = papua new guinea


it occurs to me that the new travel channel show 'tribal life' that focuses on the bunlap custom village in vanuatu has at least one blondish person.

Well, I guess there are exceptions...I really dont know what to say...I had never even heard of a blonde aborigine before. :p

Well, I guess there are exceptions...I really dont know what to say...I had never even heard of a blonde aborigine before. :p
Either there is a Germanic Gene that makes people blonde, or there isn't. I don't really see how exceptions are possible.

Unless, as Cat-Tribe pointed out, you make the gene that makes people blonde a Germanic one, in which case this Aboriginal kid mutated into a part-German...and that's not only silly, it's also circular reasoning.

Face it..."race" is nothing more than a few outside mutations to people because of their environment, and the only real racial characteristics I would accept are things that obviously exist for that purpose, like the smaller number of black pigments in white people's skin, or the slanted eyes of people of the North Asian Steppes.

presumably, cause so has everybody. but the finns are the ones with the highest blonde population and they don't speak a germanic language - shit, it's not even an indo-european language. i stick by my stand of placing them outside of any germanic ethnicity.

Yes, you are right. Finnish (and Basque for that matter) do not belong to the Indo-European language group.

Have you read Stephen Oppenheimer's "The Real Eve" ?

It has some very interesting conclusions.

Perhaps consider a book by Arno Braeker for that purpose...you see, I am german but not truly "germanic"...tall: 185cm, broad shoulders: don´t know, long face: you don´t mean the german sheep-dog, do you, with the long snout...light eyes: yes, sometimes there is light in my eyes, especially when I see threads like this, light hair: yes, it is thinning, but do you have to point that out to me :confused: or what was your gist?


You made me spill tea on the keyboard and colleagues staring at me.

You made me spill tea on the keyboard and colleagues staring at me.

:p

If I remember correctly you said you were not a Jew, just had Jewish parents, is that right?
I said I was very secular and reformed. That doesn't mean I'm not a Jew.
Ha and I thought OceanDrive was the token revisionist.
Both of them seem to have revisionist tendencies.

"race" is nothing more than a few outside mutations to people because of their environment, and the only real racial characteristics I would accept are things that obviously exist for that purpose, like the smaller number of black pigments in white people's skin, or the slanted eyes of people of the North Asian Steppes. Yep, makes sense to me. An acceptance of slight medical differences coupled with a dismissal of anything more. You're striking just the right cord.

"race" is nothing more than a few outside mutations to people because of their environment, and the only real racial characteristics I would accept are things that obviously exist for that purpose, like the smaller number of black pigments in white people's skin, or the slanted eyes of people of the North Asian Steppes. Yep, makes sense to me. An acceptance of slight medical differences coupled with a dismissal of anything more. You're striking just the right chord.

Well, race is a social construct rather than a biological reality, therefore quibbling over whether Jews are a race is really pointless. So Fass got it in one.

I said I was very secular and reformed. That doesn't mean I'm not a Jew.

Both of them seem to have revisionist tendencies.

Right, so you beleive in Judaism, your just non practicing...am I right?

Either there is a Germanic Gene that makes people blonde, or there isn't. I don't really see how exceptions are possible.

Unless, as Cat-Tribe pointed out, you make the gene that makes people blonde a Germanic one, in which case this Aboriginal kid mutated into a part-German...and that's not only silly, it's also circular reasoning.

Face it..."race" is nothing more than a few outside mutations to people because of their environment, and the only real racial characteristics I would accept are things that obviously exist for that purpose, like the smaller number of black pigments in white people's skin, or the slanted eyes of people of the North Asian Steppes.

Well...I dont know about this kid, because to be honest I had never heard about blonde black aboriginies....but thats just how it has been...Germanic peoples have been the one with blonde hair. Call it whatever you want, thats just how it is. There are no blonde asians, blonde blacks, or blonde indians....

Right, so you beleive in Judaism, your just non practicing...am I right?
Meh...close enough.

Historically, Jews are the descendants of Abraham. There are also converts, so yes and no. There are people who are racially Jewish, and people who are non racially Jewish. I hope that sufficiently confused everyone.
Those are the Hebrew, not the Jewish. Pay attention!:p

Yes, you are right. Finnish (and Basque for that matter) do not belong to the Indo-European language group.
Poor Finnish bastards; they don't belong anywhere. But they still have had a strong Nordic influence to mix rather nicely with the Slavic ones...

Either there is a Germanic Gene that makes people blonde, or there isn't. I don't really see how exceptions are possible.

Unless, as Cat-Tribe pointed out, you make the gene that makes people blonde a Germanic one, in which case this Aboriginal kid mutated into a part-German...and that's not only silly, it's also circular reasoning.

Face it..."race" is nothing more than a few outside mutations to people because of their environment, and the only real racial characteristics I would accept are things that obviously exist for that purpose, like the smaller number of black pigments in white people's skin, or the slanted eyes of people of the North Asian Steppes.
There isn't a "Germanic Gene." But I've never heard of any other geographically isolated peoples bearing blonde children. Blonde hair is most common among the "Nordic Peoples" because it suited their environment better millenia ago when it was important.

Blonde hair is most common among the "Nordic Peoples" because it suited their environment better millenia ago when it was important.
Whatever the reason, the same mutation that caused people who moved into Europe to grow blonde hair obviously also occured in Aboriginals in Australia, albeit for a different reason. The kid on the picture is not a singluar occurance...while most Aboriginals do have black hair, blonde is quite common.

Another theory would of course be that there always have been blonde people (since the Aboriginals are a pretty old, pretty homogenous ethnic group) and that it just so happened that black hair was better for most areas, while in Europe blonde hair didn't pose as much of a fault.

I don't believe in the concept of "race".

But are Jews an ethnic group? Yes, or at least there is a Jewish ethnic group. Jews were genetically isolated for so long (prohibitions on intermarriage and low conversion rates) that they became an ethnic group in their own right. Actually, there are two Jewish ethnic groups - Ashkenazim (Central & Eastern Europe) and Sephardim (Mediterranean, Middle Eastern).

Oh, and there are some minor Jewish ethnic groups that were isolated for years: the Yemenites, the Ethopian Jews, and the Bene Israel (India).

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They are so distinct a minority of the world’s population that they may as well be, just like goths and their ilk.

I don't believe in the concept of "race".

But are Jews an ethnic group? Yes, or at least there is a Jewish ethnic group. Jews were genetically isolated for so long (prohibitions on intermarriage and low conversion rates) that they became an ethnic group in their own right. Actually, there are two Jewish ethnic groups - Ashkenazim (Central & Eastern Europe) and Sephardim (Mediterranean, Middle Eastern).

Oh, and there are some minor Jewish ethnic groups that were isolated for years: the Yemenites, the Ethopian Jews, and the Bene Israel (India).

Actually, those are any European Jews, as Ashkenazi actually means Germany in hebrew. It was the name given to the lands the Jews settled in when Judaism first arrived in Europe...It was western Europe where they settled, particularly in France and Germany. Then, throughout European history, for various reasons, many Jews moved east. Not all, but many. But, my point is that, that name was given to the Jews of western europe, many who moved east, which then changed the meaning of Ashkenazi to European Jewry as a whole.

They are so distinct a minority of the world’s population that they may as well be, just like goths and their ilk.

Werent the Goths wipped out long ago?

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Bnei Menashe jews of Manipur and Mizoram, India.

Jews from Spain, Portugal, Italy, and the Balkans are Sephardic, along with Middle Eastern Jews (though Yemenites may be considered their own category).

So if we can find a Finnish jew, they get to be a race?

Finnish Race? No, I am too lazy for that.

Jews from Spain, Portugal, Italy, and the Balkans are Sephardic, along with Middle Eastern Jews (though Yemenites may be considered their own category).

So, I have always wondered....do Sephardic Jews look arab?

Depending on where we lived after we were thrown out of Spain. My ancestors, Sephardic at least, went to the north-eastern Ottoman Empire, near modern Armenia, a Slavic section of the OE. Later on, they came to the US. I actually have a more hispanic appearance. However, I also know some Sephardic Jews that have a very Turkic and/or Arab appearance. So, there are both Arab-looking and Hispanic-looking Sephardic Jews. There are many Sephardic Jews in the ex-Ottoman Empire, the Netherlands, and South and Central America.

The reason Sephardic Jews are in all of those places is that we were all living in Spain and Portugal during the Muslim rule from 711-1492. In 1492, all of the Jews were banished from both Spain and Portugal, and went to the Netherlands (via Brazil, for the most part (honest to God, Sephardic Jews founded Rio de Janerio, and then got kicked out a few years later)) (and later many of these came to the New World and founded New Amsterdam, now New York City), Italy, and the Ottoman Empire. As Italy went anti-semitic, many of the Jews left there and continued on to the Ottoman Empire. Many of the Sephardics came to the US as a result of the Greek-Ottoman wars. My ancestors came because the Empire evacuated them when Tsarist forces annexed the area they were living in, and they no longer wished to remain.

jew is not a race, it is an ethnicity.

there is no real human differentiated race. humans are one race, as detailed by their dna. just like the many types of dogs, they are all of the canine race, no matter the physcial differences. this is proven in scientific research.

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Cool family history. My family is ashkenazi on both sides, Lithuanian on my Dad's and Polish/Russian on my mom's. BTW, Jews didn't found New Amsterdam, although they did contribute to its early growth. Peter Stuyvesant, notoriously antisemetic, tried to stop them from coming by forcing them to pay some fees to enter. Having been attacked by pirates on their voyage from Brazil, they had no money, so Peg Leg Pete forced them to auction off all their remaining belongings. In a beautiful early example of the tolerance New York is based on, the settlers bought and promptly returned all the Jews' items.

I thank you for that correction. I had heard something like that, I just compiled what little I knew about the matter. But my family history is far more interesting than that, I only quoted the parts that had to do with my Sephardic Jewish background. My mother's family is Ashkenazic as well (my dad is Sephardic), and I have some gentile blood on both sides, but both parents and myself are practicing Jews.

No..your acting retarded. I have already told you..Germanic and German DONT mean the same thing. Swedes, Dutch, Austrians, Afrikaans are all Germanic, yet no one would consider them Germans.
Slavs and Finns are not really Germanic, so they have a point. And the ancient greeks, before they were colonised by other Greek tribes, were also mostly blonde. So while blonde hair is mainly a trait of the Germanic peoples, it does belong to some other groups as well. There may be links though between the ancient Greeks, the germanic peoples and perhaps even the Slavs that have yet to be established, but little on the matter so far.

No. Judaism is a religion.