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I love Britain!
we've got problems (right Wing goverment, bigots, ect.) but where better off than the US right now.

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!
LMAO.... you are funny.

Are you Brittish?

Allthough there is not realy a single inventor of gas masks the first where used by Alexander von Humboldt when he was working in the coal mines in Prussia. As for TV. Paul Gottlieb Nipkow patentet the first electromechanical Tv in 1885. Neither of them where British. As for the rest I don't have time to look it up. But wasn't the WWW/internet pioneered in Switzerland?

Everyone forgets: Britain even invented America! If it wasn't for us, i'm afraid you guys would be overseas région of France. It'd be like Quebec, but funkier, no?

Amusing. America isn't bad, i've visited there, but I wouldn't really want to live there. Out of all the countries i'd like to live after Britain, it would probably be around 10th.

have you ever been to the united states?

i love my country. i love having a president who considers our safety above the "rights" of terrorists (but that's a debate for another topic/day).

what i really love about this country most is ... hmmm...

fried chicken.

hehe

I'm an American and can't stand its current policy maker, the sitting Commander in Chief. As for the US economy's economic prosperity...go Euro!

Why do I love America? Because if I didn't, I'd have to think something else was better. Sure, its easy to get in a hissy-fit over civil rights issues, but take a look at Europe between the years of 1200-1950. It was pretty much a shithole that assassinated itself as often as possible, and the royal family tree for the entire continent was a square

Actually, Europe wasn't any kind of shithole 1200-1950 at all. Europe was where the modern concepts of democracy, modern technology, literature and sciences all evolved from. Sure, it was poor, riddled with poverty and wars. But, as you adequately put it, so was the rest of the world. But, for most of the time America was too! When the pilgrim fathers came over, the natives weren't using pentium-4 processors and discussing string theory.

Even when America (quite rightly) became an independent nation, surprise! It still had a hissy-fit over civil rights that ended up in civil war!

And even if, if, Europe assassinated itself as often as possible, we're still doing rather well thank you. (Apart from S.E. Essex...) Sure, we have the world's most crap politicians and the crap of the EU, but we have cultures, (And that IS plural) and histories that are among the best in the world. From the hot South of Spain to skiing in the Alps, or city breaks in London, Rome, Vienna, Prague or Istanbul. None of that came out of a shithole.

Grow up. If Europe was a shithole, it was no different to how America was. FI it wasn't for the European Great Powers (as they were known) your 'utopia' wouldn't exist - and wouldn't be able to be proud of the fact that it could build a sub capable of wiping itself out.

I swear, this is the most childish "debate" in the history of NS General.

have you ever been to the united states?

i love my country. i love having a president who considers our safety above the "rights" of terrorists (but that's a debate for another topic/day).

what i really love about this country most is ... hmmm...

fried chicken.

hehe

Well, you can get fried chicken in pretty much any reasonably developed country, I imagine.

Well, I hate, hate, hate, my Prime Minister who tries to put my 'safety' above the rights of terrorists. To be honest publically putting pressure in Israel for a palestinian state and not putting our noses in where it's clearly not wanted would make me feel far safer than Guantanamo Bay and giving 'suspects' a rough evening in eastern Europe ever could.

Yep, it's off topic, apologies for continuing it. But since someone else put it there, it's too tempting. Like jaffa cakes...i suppose.

I swear, this is the most childish "debate" in the history of NS General.
Why so? It's clichéd and repetative, and the origional post stupid, but the debate is actually quite relevant. There have been similar debates about the UK, Canada and China that I can remember off the top of my head - so why not America?

Actually, Europe wasn't any kind of shithole 1200-1950 at all. Europe was where the modern concepts of democracy, modern technology, literature and sciences all evolved from. Sure, it was poor, riddled with poverty and wars. But, as you adequately put it, so was the rest of the world. But, for most of the time America was too! When the pilgrim fathers came over, the natives weren't using pentium-4 processors and discussing string theory.

Even when America (quite rightly) became an independent nation, surprise! It still had a hissy-fit over civil rights that ended up in civil war!

And even if, if, Europe assassinated itself as often as possible, we're still doing rather well thank you. (Apart from S.E. Essex...) Sure, we have the world's most crap politicians and the crap of the EU, but we have cultures, (And that IS plural) and histories that are among the best in the world. From the hot South of Spain to skiing in the Alps, or city breaks in London, Rome, Vienna, Prague or Istanbul. None of that came out of a shithole.

Grow up. If Europe was a shithole, it was no different to how America was. FI it wasn't for the European Great Powers (as they were known) your 'utopia' wouldn't exist - and wouldn't be able to be proud of the fact that it could build a sub capable of wiping itself out.


Do any of you people have any semblance of cognitive thought? my point wasn't America is better than you, my point was that any insult flinging competition will ultimately end in a draw, so there's no damn point in having them. Pick something to love, love it, and let everyone else have theirs.

Why do you hate America.
Why do you have a "love us or hate us" attitude? The poster asked questions, and did not offer any criticism...

China will not take over, when they let their dollar hit the market, it will colapse, along with the economy. The US will be #1 for a long time, dont worry.
China is the worlds workshop. If they follow Western Economic trends, they will become the only country manufacturing most things, then hike the prices up. I doubt they will abandon their protectionist policies and open their markets until their economy will float.

I hate America for the following reasons.
Im British.
Im European.
Im a Communist.
Im Pro-Abortion
Im Atheist.
I hatehatehatehatehaaaate republicans...
And i really despise G. W. Bush

Well, you can get fried chicken in pretty much any reasonably developed country, I imagine.

Well, I hate, hate, hate, my Prime Minister who tries to put my 'safety' above the rights of terrorists. To be honest publically putting pressure in Israel for a palestinian state and not putting our noses in where it's clearly not wanted would make me feel far safer than Guantanamo Bay and giving 'suspects' a rough evening in eastern Europe ever could.

Yep, it's off topic, apologies for continuing it. But since someone else put it there, it's too tempting. Like jaffa cakes...i suppose.


Why so? It's clichéd and repetative, and the origional post stupid, but the debate is actually quite relevant. There have been similar debates about the UK, Canada and China that I can remember off the top of my head - so why not America?

Schnitzel?

perhaps similar.

Are there any people experienced at eating both schnitzel and American fried chicken?

The things I like most about America are:

1) Anyone can be an American. Only French can be French. Only Germans can be German. All you have to do to become an American is get on a plane and take a few "How To Be An American" classes.

2) People DIE trying to get here. I don't like that they die. I like that they are willing to get onto anything that will float and drift for days in shark infested waters to get here.

3) The highest GDP of any nation. Unless the EU is taken into consideration (I'm not sure if it is considered a 'country' anymore.), adding the GDP of the next 3 nations together is about equal to the US GDP.

4) The most advanced military in the world. Of course we pay through the nose for it but I'm okay with that because it's one of the core responsibilities of any government. Unless you are Canadian or European, in which case the US Military protects your ungrateful asses while you take 4 months of vacation every year after your strenuous 35 hour work week. (I get a month of vacation, including 7 holidays, and work bout 43 hours a week. That's about average.)

5) The 'poor' in the US would be considered middle class or wealthy in just about any country on the planet (say 90-95%). I'd rather be flat broke and busted in the US. Opportunity replaces hope here as opposed to Europe where being flat broke and busted is a lifestyle choice. Read (4). Mexico's 2nd highest source of income, between oil and tourism, is people working in the US and sending a PORTION of it back home.

I could go on but enough said.

Actually, Europe wasn't any kind of shithole 1200-1950 at all. Europe was where the modern concepts of democracy, modern technology, literature and sciences all evolved from. Sure, it was poor, riddled with poverty and wars. But, as you adequately put it, so was the rest of the world. But, for most of the time America was too! When the pilgrim fathers came over, the natives weren't using pentium-4 processors and discussing string theory.

Even when America (quite rightly) became an independent nation, surprise! It still had a hissy-fit over civil rights that ended up in civil war!

And even if, if, Europe assassinated itself as often as possible, we're still doing rather well thank you. (Apart from S.E. Essex...) Sure, we have the world's most crap politicians and the crap of the EU, but we have cultures, (And that IS plural) and histories that are among the best in the world. From the hot South of Spain to skiing in the Alps, or city breaks in London, Rome, Vienna, Prague or Istanbul. None of that came out of a shithole.

Grow up. If Europe was a shithole, it was no different to how America was. FI it wasn't for the European Great Powers (as they were known) your 'utopia' wouldn't exist - and wouldn't be able to be proud of the fact that it could build a sub capable of wiping itself out.

It's precisely because of that great history that it is so sad to see Europe in it's current condition. A pathetic shell, less than a shadow of its former glory, worthy of both pity and contempt.

4) The most advanced military in the world. Of course we pay through the nose for it but I'm okay with that because it's one of the core responsibilities of any government. Unless you are Canadian or European, in which case the US Military protects your ungrateful asses while you take 4 months of vacation every year. (I get a month of vacation, including 7 holidays.That's about average.)

If you treat adults like children long enough, they start to act like children. See also: Africa. Taking care of Europe's security throughout the Cold War was a disasterous decision.

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!
I'm from America(born and raised :D) But I don't think ANYONE should have nuke weapons of any kind. Including us. I think it's wrong. Same with lethal bio-weapons. And environments weapons. WRONG WRONG WRONG.(not you UN abassadorship)
America is great but the government right now is kind of in the toilet. I hate a lot of the current and new policies enacted by Bush and his goonies.
With all that I dislike about my country I would never want to live anywhere else on Earth!
God Bless America!
And everyone else too!
:D

Taking care of Europe's security throughout the Cold War was a disasterous decision. Not as disastrous as the alternative of NOT doing that. Point taken though.

304,000+ US soliders were killed and 670,000 were wounded...if that's not a meaningful contribution, I don't know what is. Not to mention that Britain didn't have the ability to actually invade Europe; they could hold their ground but not actually invade...with the result being Soviet domination of the entire continent.

You wont find anyone (who is being serious) denying that the US made a rather large contribution to the Second World War. Okay, you did turn up late, but you had to start 3000 miles behind the start line :P

As to America and the question of liking it.

Most of the people I have met whilst visiting america have been reasonably friendly and non-aggressive, the accents are a bit wierd but I am a scouser (ish) so I cant really talk :P Its government seems hell bent on driving America up a certain creek without a certain implement. Or a boat, but that is govenrments for you.

The PROBLEM is that so many of the rabid idiots with room temperature IQ's get all the media coverage (or own the media giving the coverage).

Some all time great quotes that prove that final point.

"Christmas is an American holiday"
"This country [America] has been in existence for over 400 years - longer than any other"

And a really good one

Man Phoning A Radio Station: "If this Dawin was so smart why didn't he get no Noble [prize]"
Presenter: "That's a very good point..."

I am not saying you lot have a monopoly on idiots, but there does seem to be a few too many of them floating around. And they are all allowed to vote...*sigh*

I am not saying you lot have a monopoly on idiots, but there does seem to be a few too many of them floating around. And they are all allowed to vote...*sigh*I voted for Bush-3 times (once for Governor of Texas). My IQ has been assessed at between 130-140. I have 2 college degrees and am working on another. I support him, not because he is a Republican, but because if he listened to all of you 'intelligent' folks who disagree with him,

the Taliban would still be running Afghanistan
Saddam would still be torturing his own people
Lebanon would still be part of Syria

but you would still walk around saying what a terrible thing it was that those people had to live that way.

You wont find anyone (who is being serious) denying that the US made a rather large contribution to the Second World War. Okay, you did turn up late, but you had to start 3000 miles behind the start line :P

As to America and the question of liking it.

Most of the people I have met whilst visiting america have been reasonably friendly and non-aggressive, the accents are a bit wierd but I am a scouser (ish) so I cant really talk :P Its government seems hell bent on driving America up a certain creek without a certain implement. Or a boat, but that is govenrments for you.

The PROBLEM is that so many of the rabid idiots with room temperature IQ's get all the media coverage (or own the media giving the coverage).

Some all time great quotes that prove that final point.

"Christmas is an American holiday"
"This country [America] has been in existence for over 400 years - longer than any other"

And a really good one

Man Phoning A Radio Station: "If this Dawin was so smart why didn't he get no Noble [prize]"
Presenter: "That's a very good point..."

I am not saying you lot have a monopoly on idiots, but there does seem to be a few too many of them floating around. And they are all allowed to vote...*sigh*
But then again we have the BNP leader Mr Nick "The koran say that muslims shoudl rape british women' Griffin!

1) Anyone can be an American. Only French can be French. Only Germans can be German. All you have to do to become an American is get on a plane and take a few "How To Be An American" classes.If you happen to have a green card...
2) People DIE trying to get here. I don't like that they die. I like that they are willing to get onto anything that will float and drift for days in shark infested waters to get here.You know, people died trying to make it to West Germany. There was a big wave of Africans climbing barbed wire fences to get into the Spanish enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla. The US isn't exactly the only country this happens to. Heck, people still die trying to make it to China from North Korea, actually.
3) The highest GDP of any nation. Unless the EU is taken into consideration (I'm not sure if it is considered a 'country' anymore.), adding the GDP of the next 3 nations together is about equal to the US GDP. Perhaps. Having a big GDP in no way makes any country good though.
4) The most advanced military in the world. Of course we pay through the nose for it but I'm okay with that because it's one of the core responsibilities of any government. Unless you are Canadian or European, in which case the US Military protects your ungrateful asses while you take 4 months of vacation every year after your strenuous 35 hour work week. (I get a month of vacation, including 7 holidays, and work bout 43 hours a week. That's about average.)Protect our "ungrateful asses" from whom? The Polish? The Russians? Vatican City?
5) The 'poor' in the US would be considered middle class or wealthy in just about any country on the planet (say 90-95%). I'd rather be flat broke and busted in the US. Opportunity replaces hope here as opposed to Europe where being flat broke and busted is a lifestyle choice. Read (4). Mexico's 2nd highest source of income, between oil and tourism, is people working in the US and sending a PORTION of it back home. Europe isn't exactly the place where poor US citizens would be considered middle class or wealthy...

I voted for Bush-3 times (once for Governor of Texas). My IQ has been assessed at between 130-140. I have 2 college degrees and am working on another. I support him, not because he is a Republican, but because if he listened to all of you 'intelligent' folks who disagree with him,

the Taliban would still be running Afghanistan
Saddam would still be torturing his own people
Lebanon would still be part of Syria


Did I say anything about you, Bush or the people who voted for him? No. I was complaining about idiots and idiocy. Slight guilty conscience there? :P


I have no problem with the Taliban not running Afghanistan. The massive increase in Opium production is a side effect that needs to be dealt with, but theres another 3500 trrops on their way to do that.

I SUPPORTED going into Iraq thank you so very much. I also would have supported if the special forces who found him had lobbed a grenade down his hole rather than fetching some regular troops for a PR victory.

Also I quite like Lebanon.

Anymore misconceptions need clearing up?


But then again we have the BNP leader Mr Nick "The koran say that muslims shoudl rape british women' Griffin!

Yeah but in the plus side the police have finally been allowed to drag the little shit to court and throw the book at him.

Not good enough. You have to change your ways else we will all suffer in the end.
Im sorry if this sounds arrogant, but its good enough for me and its good enough for most my fellow Americans. No one is going to suffer except for us if we cut back on consuming. Everything here is bigger, badder, louder and its in part whats makes us great.

Im sorry if this sounds arrogant, but its good enough for me and its good enough for most my fellow Americans. No one is going to suffer except for us if we cut back on consuming. Everything here is bigger, badder, louder and its in part whats makes us great.

But you must accept that what America does and doesn't do does effect the rest of the world. I hate to simply quote rhetoric, but the way the US deals with trade overseas and global poverty, global warming and foreign policy effects the rest of the world. Great. It's good for you. But there's another 6 billion people in America(Which ain't a utopia free from poverty at all), let alone the world - who feel the effects of Bush more than you do. Who's running the US, Europe or whatever doesn't dictate whether you get fed tomorrow or not.

Still, gotta look after No. 1, eh?

Anymore misconceptions need clearing up?
First you started off opining about 'disastrous' policies and a shit creek/no paddle analogy. Then you started talking about idiots, America's supposed overabundance thereof, and their ability to vote (thankfully, very few idiots see the need or purpose in it and stay home during elections).

Forgive me for assuming you were anti-Bush/anti-American.

But if you were anti-Bush/anti-American, how would what you posted be any different?
I took your post to be:
Bush is an idiot-a lot of Americans are idiots-therefore a lot of Amercans are idiots for voting for him.

Sorry.

But you must accept that what America does and doesn't do does effect the rest of the world. I hate to simply quote rhetoric, but the way the US deals with trade overseas and global poverty, global warming and foreign policy effects the rest of the world. Great. It's good for you. But there's another 6 billion people in America(Which ain't a utopia free from poverty at all), let alone the world - who feel the effects of Bush more than you do. Who's running the US, Europe or whatever doesn't dictate whether you get fed tomorrow or not.

Still, gotta look after No. 1, eh?

all countries look after #1, Im not sure this is a bad thing.

Not as disastrous as the alternative of NOT doing that. Point taken though.

It's just one of those "hindsight is 20/20" things I guess. But I think the best thing we could do is to disengage entirely from the whole continent and force them to grow up. I also think America intervening in the Balkans was a bad idea; just another reassurance that America's gonna be there to take over when Europe can't hack it.

First you started off opining about 'disastrous' policies and a shit creek/no paddle analogy. Then you started talking about idiots, America's supposed overabundance thereof, and their ability to vote (thankfully, very few idiots see the need or purpose in it and stay home during elections).

Forgive me for assuming you were anti-Bush/anti-American.

But if you were anti-Bush/anti-American, how would what you posted be any different?
I took your post to be:
Bush is an idiot-a lot of Americans are idiots-therefore a lot of Amercans are idiots for voting for him.


No worries. I always make the point that idiots are allowed to vote in democracies.

I meant for the idiots comment to be seperate from the political bit. The REAL idiots are the ones who dont care enough to vote at all.


If I wanted to insult Bush specifically I would have said so in a very blatant and abusive way. I dont like him much, but I dont like any of the alternatives.

All politicians, all dirty.....

Originally Posted by The UN abassadorship
Why do you hate America.

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Why_do_you_hate_America%3F

Edit: Further reading

http://www.isometry.com/usahate.html

http://207.44.245.159/article8191.htm

Everyone forgets: Britain even invented America!
And you think thats something to brag about?

Protect our "ungrateful asses" from whom? The Polish? The Russians? Vatican City? Thank you for helping to buttress my argument.
Europeans are all about talking, diplomacy, treaties. Europe is the "talk softly" and the US is the "big stick".
Iran may be talking to Europeans but they're looking at the US while they do it. You all seem to think talking the talk is more important than walking the walk. You have it backwards. And when the time for talking is over, Germans (and Europeans in general) compare the USA to Nazi Germany for using the stick. You fail to realize the burden and heavy responsibility that US bears and that is why I think you are ungrateful, fickle, and seemingly duplicitous in nature as a society.

1) Anyone can be an American. Only French can be French. Only Germans can be German. All you have to do to become an American is get on a plane and take a few "How To Be An American" classes. [/QOUTE] That is onw of the most: a) stupid b) racist comments I've ever had the misforutne of hearing/reading

[QUOTE=Southaustin]2) People DIE trying to get here. I don't like that they die. I like that they are willing to get onto anything that will float and drift for days in shark infested waters to get here. People also DIE trying to blow up small peices of the US. Lots of people are carzy or stupid. That people will die trying to get into the US doesn't amke it a good country. If we canadians were crazy enough to shut people out of our country, they'd probably die trying to get in. Infact many do die waiting to be accepted as legal immigrants or refugees cause our system is so damn slow

3) The highest GDP of any nation. Unless the EU is taken into consideration (I'm not sure if it is considered a 'country' anymore.), adding the GDP of the next 3 nations together is about equal to the US GDP.
Unogal:Yup, your GDP is huge and rises every year.
South:Hey wait, why is that?
Unogal:Well its because there are more american dollars in circulation, because more are being printed.
South: Well good! That means there's more wealth in our country right?
Unogal:No.
South: Oh. Well what does it mean?
Unogal:It means that you have more dollars representing virtually the same amount of wealth.
South:So that makes all of our dollars worth less right?
Unogal: No.
South: So what does it mean?
Unogal: It means that your dollar is preceived to be worth much more than it actually is.
South: And thats not good?
Unogal: No; it means your economy faces certain collapse, probably in the next few decades.
South: So our ever-rising GDP isn't actually an indication of economic strength?
Unogal: Yes.

4) The most advanced military in the world. Of course we pay through the nose for it but I'm okay with that because it's one of the core responsibilities of any government. Unless you are Canadian or European, in which case the US Military protects your ungrateful asses while you take 4 months of vacation every year after your strenuous 35 hour work week. (I get a month of vacation, including 7 holidays, and work bout 43 hours a week. That's about average.) *cough*arrogant*cough* Most Canadian workers don't get four months of vacation a year, nor do they work 35 hours a week. I just don't know about europe but I would expect they don't either. How does less vacation time make america 'better'? The US military doesn't realy protect me or my country; much less europe. I mean I can see how you would say us, but europe? common man at least make accusations that are somewhere close to being in the same class as truth. Who are you protecting us from? *cough*ignorance*cough*

[QUOTE=Southaustin]5) The 'poor' in the US would be considered middle class or wealthy in just about any country on the planet (say 90-95%). I'd rather be flat broke and busted in the US. XRead (4). [QUOTE] Largely because your dollar is grossly inflated. And if the 20 million poor in the US live like kings, why does a wing of your government issue a bi-annual report on the necessity of getting them outof poverty?

Sorry, I would have made fun of your incoherant sentence about how "being busted in europe is a lifestlye choice" but I deleted it.

Thank you for helping to buttress my argument.
Europeans are all about talking, diplomacy, treaties. Europe is the "talk softly" and the US is the "big stick". This has a bit to do with the fact that Europe experienced World War 2 first hand.
Iran may be talking to Europeans but they're looking at the US while they do it. You all seem to think talking the talk is more important than walking the walk. And when the time for talking is over, Germans (and Europeans in general) compare the USA to Nazi Germany for using the stick. You fail to realize the burden and heavy responsibility that US bears and that is why I think you are ungrateful, fickle, and seemingly duplicitous in nature as a society.The bold part is blatant bullshit. Germans tend to take the Holocaust and comparisons to the people responsible for it rather seriously.

Thank you for helping to buttress my argument.
Europeans are all about talking, diplomacy, treaties. Europe is the "talk softly" and the US is the "big stick".
Iran may be talking to Europeans but they're looking at the US while they do it. You all seem to think talking the talk is more important than walking the walk. You have it backwards. And when the time for talking is over, Germans (and Europeans in general) compare the USA to Nazi Germany for using the stick. You fail to realize the burden and heavy responsibility that US bears and that is why I think you are ungrateful, fickle, and seemingly duplicitous in nature as a society.
Words just cannot express :headbang:

I love America because if I dont the FBI will get me!:)

Originally Posted by Southaustin
Thank you for helping to buttress my argument.
Europeans are all about talking, diplomacy, treaties. Europe is the "talk softly" and the US is the "big stick".
Iran may be talking to Europeans but they're looking at the US while they do it. You all seem to think talking the talk is more important than walking the walk. You have it backwards. And when the time for talking is over, Germans (and Europeans in general) compare the USA to Nazi Germany for using the stick. You fail to realize the burden and heavy responsibility that US bears and that is why I think you are ungrateful, fickle, and seemingly duplicitous in nature as a society.

Good God. I actually wondered if you were just joking typing this. I agree with Unogal, words cannot express.

But I think the best thing we could do is to disengage entirely from the whole continent and force them to grow up. I also think America intervening in the Balkans was a bad idea; just another reassurance that America's gonna be there to take over when Europe can't hack it.

I can see your point. I think the US needs to be there for a while longer so that I won't have to fight my way back in. Also, a possible reason that there hasn't been another massive war in 61 years (that's probably some sort of record for Europe, BTW) is that the US has maintained a presence.

The downside is that we're condemned for being the policeman for the world by the very people who think it's a good idea to have a policeman for the world. I'd say,"Fine, we'll let the Chicoms do it.", but I don't think the Euro's would be ecstatic if those malevolent thugs used their power either. What would happen to the peaceniks if they protested outside of a Chinese military base?

*cough*arrogant*cough* Most Canadian workers don't get four months of vacation a year, nor do they work 35 hours a week. I just don't know about europe but I would expect they don't either. How does less vacation time make america 'better'? The US military doesn't realy protect me or my country; much less europe. I mean I can see how you would say us, but europe? common man at least make accusations that are somewhere close to being in the same class as truth. Who are you protecting us from? *cough*ignorance*cough*

Actually, the French only have to work 35 hour weeks. Every weekend is a three-day weekend for them. Germans have, on average, thirty days of paid vacation a year. Britons, French, and Spaniards have twenty-five days paid vacation a year. Italians and Dutch have thirty-five and thirty-one days paid vacation respectively. Finns have thirty-eight.

By contrast, Americans have twelve days paid vacation a year (on average), while Japanese have eighteen a year.

(Stats are from FOCUS Magazine, 24/97.)

I do believe, that without America, the world would've collapsed...if not to the Nazis, then to the Commies. Hell, there'd probably still be a war to this day.

The UN is also making the US pay for all military and peacekeeping operations in the known world. (Which we are boycotting, btw.)The US with the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe and saved it from consumption from the communists. We were a major part in ending WWI, WWII, Korea, and other African operations. We have literally stopped all out wars from happening.

We give billions in charity, we send thousands of troops to assist, we police the world to prevent psychos from getting their hands on WMD's...and we get the shaft for it.

Do you consider having a Government which is allowed to spy on you without authorisation freedom?

They have authorization. They always have. There is NO expectation of
privacy in any area where you can't physically seal yourself into.


Do you consider having a Government which is allowed to transfer people to a country where torture is allowed without authorisation or hold people prisoner in secret prisons without authorisation freedom?

Yes. What happens to combative (or suspected combative) aliens who are
not subject to the protections of our constitution is not a great worry of
mine, MOSTLY because if our governement really screws up and makes
themselves look bad they will pay for it.

The case where a citizen, who has constitutional protection, is denied due
process is perhaps another matter.

The justifying extenuating circumstance for the government, as with any
government with a "secrets" law-set, is that the government will pay, one
way or the other, in the public's eye when the facts are eventually known
about the case.

The fact that this could take years, and includes the possible suffering of
an "innocent" for an entire lifetime, simply intensifies the "story" and it's
impact on the goverment when it does, inevitably, come to light.


And how long do you think the US will be able retain the strongest economy
before China takes over?

China may "take over" in terms of gross numbers, but a capitalist world will
always benefit those who are the best capitalists. And only by non-capitalist
means can any subgroup of the world "dominate" the world markets, which
would be the definition of cause for war,.. which "the good guys" (the
capitalist world) would win simply because it's impossible for non-capitalism to
win over capitalism.


-Iakeo

Actually, the French only have to work 35 hour weeks. <SNIP>
Which is why I use disclaimer clauses! Vie la france (o ya, we have to learn french)

Which is why I use disclaimer clauses! Vie la france (o ya, we have to learn french)

Well now you know. :D

Im sorry if this sounds arrogant, but its good enough for me and its good enough for most my fellow Americans. No one is going to suffer except for us if we cut back on consuming. Everything here is bigger, badder, louder and its in part whats makes us great.

Let me get this through your head

You will have to change. The world population is growing. Your population is growing. The developed world need to cut down on consuming and the developing world needs to cut down on overpopulation. I dont care how much "greatness" you loose, or I lose to get it but everyone needs to cut down on something. It is not good enough and you will have to cut down soon, like it or not.

I do believe, that without America, the world would've collapsed...if not to the Nazis, then to the Commies. Hell, there'd probably still be a war to this day.

The UN is also making the US pay for all military and peacekeeping operations in the known world. (Which we are boycotting, btw.)The US with the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe and saved it from consumption from the communists. We were a major part in ending WWI, WWII, Korea, and other African operations. We have literally stopped all out wars from happening.

We give billions in charity, we send thousands of troops to assist, we police the world to prevent psychos from getting their hands on WMD's...and we get the shaft for it.

To the commies, great! yay!

Most peacekeeping operations are done by the more neutral countries, and the US barely gives any money.

Communists don't consume.

A certain part, but not a major part, in ending WWII. Same with WWI. You started Korea in the first place (so good that you ended it).

You give a ridiculously low percentage of your gdp to charity. If you gave as much as some countries do percentage wise, there'd be a lot less poverty. Those countries are not suffering economically by the way. And if your charity wasn't tied that'd help too (oh, have some money... but buy our tanks).

Thousands of troops, thousands of problems. Hundreds of troops... no problems... care to explain how come americans are facing much more difficulty than any other country in Iraq? they're the only ones facing constant aggression and bombing, whereas many other countries, patrolling larger areas, rarely, if ever, face any problems.

Let me get this through your head

You will have to change. The world population is growing. Your population is growing. The developed world need to cut down on consuming and the developing world needs to cut down on overpopulation. I dont care how much "greatness" you loose, or I lose to get it but everyone needs to cut down on something. It is not good enough and you will have to cut down soon, like it or not.
Adriatica, didn't you hear? Bush II has declared that in order to affirm america's greatness for all eternity, they are declaring war on the earth. Also it will please God and help fight terrorism if the environment is totally destroyed. jeez keep yourself informed ;)

Thousands of troops, thousands of problems. Hundreds of troops... no problems... care to explain how come americans are facing much more difficulty than any other country in Iraq? they're the only ones facing constant aggression and bombing, whereas many other countries, patrolling larger areas, rarely, if ever, face any problems.


The British partol, or do whatever they are doing, in Iraq aswell. There have been 99 British Army deaths in Iraq to this day. Thats a serious problem!

The British and Americans, as we are led to believe, have been deployed in the most dangerous areas of the country. If America wants Iraqi oil or whatever it is doing there then that is fine, Mr Blair is an idiot for following.

The UK is seen as a follower of the Americans, not good. America likes to involve herself in international issues, maybe trying to state her power and domination on the world before she is overtaken, some would say not.

I believe that the Uk should be slightly more independant on issues like this.

Originally Posted by New Burmesia
Everyone forgets: Britain even invented America!


Britain also began the slave trade, thats definitely nothing to brag about!

Did you know that you, yes you, had your home searched by the FBI today? Try to prove me wrong, why don't you. Until then, don't come talking to me about freedom. I live in Sweden, boy, so for Pete's sake don't come talking to me about freedom. And Sweden and Denmark have the highest levels of wellbeing on the planet, so don't come talking to me about a good country. We have practically no military, unlike USA wich spends millions and millions every year on trying to be as good at murder as possible.

Sure, your nation does a lot of good. After all, how could an invasion with thousands of innocents getting killed not be good? Especially since you expect to be thanked for it? And you only did it because Prez told everyone the enemy had weapons of massdestruction?

Britain also began the slave trade, thats definitely nothing to brag about!
Actually the Arabs traded slaves a long time before Britain realised that the earth isn't flat.

And btw, the British have one of the longest working weeks in Europe.

The European Union is thinking about bringing in a working limit, so to speak. Meaning that the British cant work as long as they do now. Not going to down well :D

Actually the Arabs traded slaves a long time before Britain realised that the earth isn't flat.

The slave trade, reffering to the slave trade in America. Not saying that they completely invented the idea :)

God Bless the United States of America, the greatest nation ever!

The slave trade, reffering to the slave trade in America. Not saying that they completely invented the idea :)
I know what you meant. But the Spaniards and Portugese where there before the British. And in the beginning European traders bought their slaves through Arab middlemen from whichever chieftain was selling.

God Bless the United States of America, the greatest nation ever!


You probably think that because you are American? Or have lived there for a while? I personally dont think quite the same ;) Thats probably because I have lived where i do for my life :)

God Bless the United States of America, the greatest nation ever!

I sincerely hope copious irony is interjected herein.

I know what you meant. But the Spaniards and Portugese where there before the British. And in the beginning European traders bought their slaves through Arab middlemen from whichever chieftain was selling.
And to correct you. The dutch were doing it before the spaniards and portuguese.

I sincerely hope copious irony is interjected herein.
Why, its true is it not?

Why, its true is it not?

"The greatest nation ever"

Entirely dependant upon one's perception therein, the majority of the world either loathe you, or are dependant upon the US for financial survival, whilst you have essentially engendered islamic miltantism alone with Israel through you patent and unwavering alliance with Israel. Furthremore, the US is renowned as a nation pervaded by repulsive ostentatiousness, an obsession with elaboration and augmentation for the sake of hyperbolic improvement, has given rise to rap music, hip hop, and a polirical system wherein an individual such as Bush may assume pre-eminence.

Did you know that you, yes you, had your home searched by the FBI today? Try to prove me wrong, why don't you. Until then, don't come talking to me about freedom. I live in Sweden, boy, so for Pete's sake don't come talking to me about freedom. And Sweden and Denmark have the highest levels of wellbeing on the planet, so don't come talking to me about a good country. We have practically no military, unlike USA wich spends millions and millions every year on trying to be as good at murder as possible

What nation will be one of the first defend you in the event of a war? That's right, the United States...because the US is an ally of the EU/Sweden and Denmark is a member of NATO. The only reason you don't have a military is because NATO has always been there to defend you!

"The greatest nation ever"

Entirely dependant upon one's perception therein, the majority of the world either loathe you, or are dependant upon the US for financial survival, whilst you have essentially engendered islamic miltantism alone with Israel through you patent and unwavering alliance with Israel. Furthremore, the US is renowned as a nation pervaded by repulsive ostentatiousness, an obsession with elaboration and augmentation for the sake of hyperbolic improvement, has given rise to rap music, hip hop, and a polirical system wherein an individual such as Bush may assume pre-eminence.
We have not engendered islamic miltantism, we are fighting where ever they are, destorying them. I dont think my ostentatiousness is repulsive, and I like my obsession with elaboration and augmentation for the sake of hyperbolic improvement. Theres nothing wrong with hip-hop and G.W. Bush came to power because he is the greatest leader since Alexander the Great.

What nation will be one of the first defend you in the event of a war? That's right, the United States...because the US is an ally of the EU/Sweden and Denmark is a member of NATO. The only reason you don't have a military is because NATO has always been there to defend you!
Does that make it the greatest country? I think not. I can name you ten better places in an instant.

We have not engendered islamic miltantism, we are fighting where ever they are, destorying them. I dont think my ostentatiousness is repulsive, and I like my obsession with elaboration and augmentation for the sake of hyperbolic improvement. Theres nothing wrong with hip-hop and G.W. Bush came to power because he is the greatest leader since Alexander the Great.

Frankly, I give up.:rolleyes:

People with opinions contrary to my own I can deal with. People with vehemtnyl contrary opinions I can tolerate. But indoctrinated falalcies such as thouse espoused above are frankly beyond the pale.

Greatest leader since Alexander. Unequivocally no. Chruchill, Edward I, Edward III, Augustus, Caesar, Lincoln, Thatcher, Napoleon contendably. The political equivalent of Barney the purple dinosaur; I sincerely doubt that any polirical commentator with a mite of erudition would cocnur with you.

Incidentally, given that you merely recited mush of my post in inverse form, would you care to explain?:)

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!

I think you might want to just stop posting, after reading this thread and your "I want war with Iran" thread, it appears that all of your information is garnered through hearsay and "the media". The more you post, the more ignorant you sound. At this point, im willing to deduce that you are a middle-school or highschool kid whose arguements are mostly based on what would cause arguement because you want to be the center of attention.

By the way, what exactly would more nukes accomplish for us? We already can destroy the world a few times over, and no one honestly thinks we are going to use them (Besides you, but your ignorance is of a such a degree that im not going to include you). Wouldnt a weapon that we are likely to use be a more useful expenditure? Or wait, perhaps money spent on nuclear defense would be a good idea, then if other nations have nuclear weapons, it really doesnt matter, does it?

And lastly, most nations don't want to be like us, have you ever travelled outside of the U.S.?

Did you know that you, yes you, had your home searched by the FBI today? Try to prove me wrong, why don't you. Until then, don't come talking to me about freedom. I live in Sweden, boy, so for Pete's sake don't come talking to me about freedom. And Sweden and Denmark have the highest levels of wellbeing on the planet, so don't come talking to me about a good country. We have practically no military, unlike USA wich spends millions and millions every year on trying to be as good at murder as possible.

Sure, your nation does a lot of good. After all, how could an invasion with thousands of innocents getting killed not be good? Especially since you expect to be thanked for it? And you only did it because Prez told everyone the enemy had weapons of massdestruction?Why is your part of the world able to afford such a lavish social welfare system? Because you don't have much of a military.
Why don't you have a military? Because the USA & Britain would not hesitate to defend your country if it were threatened. We're all so freakin happy you have such a high sense of well being.
Are you willing to die for it? Or is that beneath you because you're so much more sophisticated than those warmongering Americans?
High sense of well being...pfft.

What nation will be one of the first defend you in the event of a war? That's right, the United States...because the US is an ally of the EU/Sweden and Denmark is a member of NATO. The only reason you don't have a military is because NATO has always been there to defend you!

What? Which country in Europe doesn't have a military?
And why won't this thread go away?

Frankly, I give up.:rolleyes:

People with opinions contrary to my own I can deal with. People with vehemtnyl contrary opinions I can tolerate. But indoctrinated falalcies such as thouse espoused above are frankly beyond the pale.

Greatest leader since Alexander. Unequivocally no. Chruchill, Edward I, Edward III, Augustus, Caesar, Lincoln, Thatcher, Napoleon contendably. The political equivalent of Barney the purple dinosaur; I sincerely doubt that any polirical commentator with a mite of erudition would cocnur with you.

Incidentally, given that you merely recited mush of my post in inverse form, would you care to explain?:)

Ok, Im sorry if my post have seemed slightly childish, its possible my Alexander the Great remark was a tad much. I was trying to point out that all the things you said were bad, I find good as it a sign of our success. I like the fact we are loud, obnoxious, excessive, and just plain do things not because we need to but because we can or want to like eat triple cheeseburger and a gallon soda for lunch when that should be our entire daily intake. These things are apart of our culture, I for one like our culture.

What? Which country in Europe doesn't have a military?
And why won't this thread go away?

They do, but those of Sweden and Denmark are pretty much useless in the face of an actual attack, so the US and Nato/EU nations with an army defend them. To brag about your defenselessness isn't particularly wise.

I don't know why this won't go away...:confused:

So what I've gathered from this thread so far is....

1) The United States is its government. Despite the numerous claims of American ignorance, nothing screams ignorance like equating a country's citizens with its government.
2) Despite the fact that folks outside of this country cannot receive anything but cable network programming (which can do whatever it wants) and probably reads nothing except the major newspapers (if at all), people are somehow concluding that the American media is right-wing and indoctrinates us all. I'd just love to see someone prove that one to me. Most journalists in America hate Bush just as much as some of the people on this forum seem to do.
3) A number of people outside the US have stated that we're all a bunch of uncultured idiots with no sense of the outside world, despite the fact that I know at least one Russian, one Spaniard, one Iraqi, one Cuban, one Frenchman, and one Pole... I suppose these people just left their cultures in their home countries? Most Americans have some contact with immigrants, and so like it or not, they learn about other cultures - not to mention the fact that public schools have been making a point of injecting lessons about foreign cultures into the curriculum. It must be hard to know about the American public school system having never gone through it.
4) We're all arrogant people here in the US... despite the large number of claims that Sweden/Denmark/Australia/The Netherlands/etc. are so obviously better. How is that attitude any better than the attitude you just got finished berating?

I don't feel like typing anymore because I'm so disgusted. You can dislike America's government and its people all you want, but don't expect me to sit here and just let the hyporisy slide by. We know nothing of foreign culture, eh? How accurate do you think your information about my country is? A two-week stay in the United States is insufficient to be able to draw any reasonable conclusion about its citizens or our way of life. You see a little of our TV, you eat some of our food, and meet some of our people, and all of a sudden you're an expert? I don't think so.

Have fun stewing in your hypocrisy. I'm going to go peruse the Aftenposten now.... oh wait, I'm American - I must be too stupid and ignorant to be able to read a Norwegian paper, right? :rolleyes:

We have not engendered islamic miltantism, we are fighting where ever they are, destorying them. I dont think my ostentatiousness is repulsive, and I like my obsession with elaboration and augmentation for the sake of hyperbolic improvement. Theres nothing wrong with hip-hop and G.W. Bush came to power because he is the greatest leader since Alexander the Great.

Remind me, which nation was pre-eminant in sponsoring terrorism of just about every kind until some of the terrorists started killing Americans? Which nation sponsored (and still does sponsor) terrorism against trade unionists and other leftist leaders in South America? Which nation funded and trained all of these islamic terrorists to start with? Which nation has a record of toppling or helping to topple democracies which happen to disagree with America?

You cannot claim to be the greatest nation on Earth without a complete ignorance of modern history and current affairs.

I think you might want to just stop posting, after reading this thread and your "I want war with Iran" thread, it appears that all of your information is garnered through hearsay and "the media". The more you post, the more ignorant you sound. At this point, im willing to deduce that you are a middle-school or highschool kid whose arguements are mostly based on what would cause arguement because you want to be the center of attention.

By the way, what exactly would more nukes accomplish for us? We already can destroy the world a few times over, and no one honestly thinks we are going to use them (Besides you, but your ignorance is of a such a degree that im not going to include you). Wouldnt a weapon that we are likely to use be a more useful expenditure? Or wait, perhaps money spent on nuclear defense would be a good idea, then if other nations have nuclear weapons, it really doesnt matter, does it?

And lastly, most nations don't want to be like us, have you ever travelled outside of the U.S.?
I am actually a college student(if you had read this thread you would have found this out). Shockly Im not ignorant and dont get all my info from just a few sources. It is a hobby of mine to read foreign newspapers in English online for instance. We dont "need" more nukes but it wouldnt hurt to have more. And I have travelled outside the US on more than 1instance and plan on it more in future. I wasnt saying all nations wish to be like us however many do. They like our culture as it is the symbol of freedom and success. If you go to Kuwait for example you will hear American hip-hop and the like on the radio.

I am actually a college student(if you had read this thread you would have found this out). Shockly Im not ignorant and dont get all my info from just a few sources. It is a hobby of mine to read foreign newspapers in English online for instance. We dont "need" more nukes but it wouldnt hurt to have more. And I have travelled outside the US on more than 1instance and plan on it more in future. I wasnt saying all nations wish to be like us however many do. They like our culture as it is the symbol of freedom and success. If you go to Kuwait for example you will hear American hip-hop and the like on the radio.

Could it occur to you that they listen to it because they like it? Not because they 'want to be like it'?

Could it occur to you that they listen to it because they like it? Not because they 'want to be like it'?

Blasphemy! Everyone knows that kids listen to rap because they want to kill cops and rape women and not because they think the music's cool!

They do, but those of Sweden and Denmark are pretty much useless in the face of an actual attack, so the US and Nato/EU nations with an army defend them. To brag about your defenselessness isn't particularly wise.

I don't know why this won't go away...:confused:

So... What if Sweden attacks Denmark hmm? Didn't see that one coming, eh?
:p But why am I helping keeping this thread alive? It's not as if it's as funny as the "war on Iran" thread...

Remind me, which nation was pre-eminant in sponsoring terrorism of just about every kind until some of the terrorists started killing Americans? Which nation sponsored (and still does sponsor) terrorism against trade unionists and other leftist leaders in South America? Which nation funded and trained all of these islamic terrorists to start with? Which nation has a record of toppling or helping to topple democracies which happen to disagree with America?

You cannot claim to be the greatest nation on Earth without a complete ignorance of modern history and current affairs.

This nation has never supported terrorists. We have helped resistance movements agianst puppet communist regime and other rogue states that threaten security, nothing wrong with this. Ignorance of modern history and current affairs? please thats all I do is study those issues.

Which country funded all of Europe to get back on its feet after WW2? Which country stood up to communists for decades saying "no you will not hurt or our allies"? which bailed the french out of Veitnam? How many countries dont need a standing army because we protect them and then whine that we are war mongers? Which country has the biggest and best economy? which country has the best military in the history of the world? Which country has given more relief aid and charity assistance in disasters? You want to say we arent great? wow

Blasphemy! Everyone knows that kids listen to rap because they want to kill cops and rape women and not because they think the music's cool!

Yes that makes so much sense now. I don't want to kill cops, hence I must now delete every rap song on my computer.

<snip>

Which nation was founded by terrorists? The USA.
Which nation paid the French to stay in Vietnam after they had declared their independence and been granted it by the Japanese? The USA.
Which nation has the best military? Israel.
Which nation has the cornerstone of modern American consumerism? The PRC.
Which nation cannot even bail itself out of it's own disasters? The USA.

Could it occur to you that they listen to it because they like it? Not because they 'want to be like it'?

If they didnt want to be like it e.i. America, why would they go to the mall where you'll see starbucks, McDonalds and the like? Why would you see them embracing the consumer soceity to an point instead of just rejecting it to go back to the old times? the move towards western and especially American life is slowly taking root accross the globe. I dont see how this is a negative.

If they didnt want to be like it e.i. America, why would they go to the mall where you'll see starbucks, McDonalds and the like? Why would you see them embracing the consumer soceity to an point instead of just rejecting it to go back to the old times? the move towards western and especially American life is slowly taking root accross the globe. I dont see how this is a negative.

Ya know, it's kinda funny, but if you walk into a StarBucks or a CinnaBon in, say, the Middle-East, they'll gladly tell you how much they hate America while eating a cinnamon roll and drinking a double latte.

America is ok. It's representative democracy is one of the best governments ever installed imo. However, recently it has become clear that politcians have dropped sensible reason for Religion logic and it seems like the states are losing power when looking at their right to create their own sovereign laws. (Gay marriage, gore v bush, medical marijuana, etc).

The federal government is becoming a tad too powerful imo.
Get that religion out of politics before we declare a jihad on someone and ban evolution again.

Americans getting a little more involved in politics would be nice too.

This nation has never supported terrorists. We have helped resistance movements agianst puppet communist regime and other rogue states that threaten security, nothing wrong with this. Ignorance of modern history and current affairs? please thats all I do is study those issues.

Which country funded all of Europe to get back on its feet after WW2? Which country stood up to communists for decades saying "no you will not hurt or our allies"? which bailed the french out of Veitnam? How many countries dont need a standing army because we protect them and then whine that we are war mongers? Which country has the biggest and best economy? which country has the best military in the history of the world? Which country has given more relief aid and charity assistance in disasters? You want to say we arent great? wow

Now, I'm not so sure about this, but I'll answer your questions and claims.

This nation has never supported terrorists.
What about George Bush Senior? Now, according to a Bush Supporter Ninja Revelry, they apparently found evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction in a book deal. Assuming the book is entirely accurate, then George Bush Sr has effectively funded a country seemingly to have Weapons of Mass Destruction, hence making him an indirect supporter of terrorism.

We have helped resistance movements agianst puppet communist regime and other rogue states that threaten security, nothing wrong with this.
Correction, America has been known to help any regime against only communist regimes. Remember South Korea? South Vietnam?

Which country funded all of Europe to get back on its feet after WW2?
Yes, but which country defeated the German War Machine making it possible that there was an aftermath? It certainly wasn't the US.

Which country stood up to communists for decades saying "no you will not hurt or our allies"?
It was more like "F-You Commies." There was no interest of 'protection', only capitalist versus communist bashing.

Which bailed the french out of Veitnam?
Nobody. They were defeated by the Vietnamese and then the US joined.

How many countries dont need a standing army because we protect them and then whine that we are war mongers?
Alot, because you are.

Which country has the biggest and best economy?
Oh please. The American economy is maintained oh so steadily by their allies. It's like saying Tokyo is the biggest city in the world despite the fact that it is a conglomeration.

Which country has the best military in the history of the world?
This is subject to change, but I'm saying Mongolia. No army was as fast as them until the ninteenth century, and they were one of the most disciplined fighting force in the history of the world. I don't see Us soldiers loyally following their leaders and drinking blood to keep fighting.

Which country has given more relief aid and charity assistance in disasters?
Luxembourg. Like so:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_eco_aid_don_percap

You want to say we aren't great?
Sure, why not? It's free speech.

This nation has never supported terrorists. We have helped resistance movements agianst puppet communist regime and other rogue states that threaten security, nothing wrong with this. Ignorance of modern history and current affairs? please thats all I do is study those issues.

Which country funded all of Europe to get back on its feet after WW2? Which country stood up to communists for decades saying "no you will not hurt or our allies"? which bailed the french out of Veitnam? How many countries dont need a standing army because we protect them and then whine that we are war mongers? Which country has the biggest and best economy? which country has the best military in the history of the world? Which country has given more relief aid and charity assistance in disasters? You want to say we arent great? wow

*sigh* Take a look at this (http://www.soaw.org/new/) why don't you?

And how about the efforts you went to to bring down Salvatore Allende's democratic regime?

And what about the murderous dictators you support? Lets start with Turkmenistan, Kyrgystan, Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan.

If 'all you do is study those issues' and you still haven't opened your eyes then frankly my friend you're a fool.

We have helped resistance movements agianst puppet communist regime and other rogue states that threaten security, nothing wrong with this.
Correction, America has been known to help any regime against only communist regimes. Remember South Korea? South Vietnam?

You forgot our funding of terrorists in Afghanistan and Nicaragua and Columbia. Among others.

Which nation was founded by terrorists? The USA.
Which nation paid the French to stay in Vietnam after they had declared their independence and been granted it by the Japanese? The USA.
Which nation has the best military? Israel.
Which nation has the cornerstone of modern American consumerism? The PRC.
Which nation cannot even bail itself out of it's own disasters? The USA.

You want to call great men who sacrificed greatly to reject the oppressive monrachy for the hope of freedom and peace, men whos vision was so great that it holds true today in worlds oldest current democracy terrorists? :mad: please. I have to stop myself b4 I say something that might get me banned.
Israel is only a country because of us. It only has a army because of us. If we were to cut funding to them, they have nothing. Our army is far superior.
Whether China aids our economy or not doesnt take away from the fact it is still the best economy on the planet.
Our failings with Katrina doesnt change the fact that we havent gave by far the most amount of funds and resources to people around the world.

You want to call great men who sacrificed greatly to reject the oppressive monrachy for the hope of freedom and peace, men whos vision was so great that it holds true today in worlds oldest current democracy terrorists? :mad: please. I have to stop myself b4 I say something that might get me banned.

I'm proud of the fact that our Founding Fathers had the gumption to openly engage in terrorism. It means that I get to be an American. It means that you get to be an American, too, so stop acting so self-righteous.

Israel is only a country because of us. It only has a army because of us. If we were to cut funding to them, they have nothing. Our army is far superior.

No, Israel would be around whether we funded them or not. After WWII and before UN declared the creation of the State of Israel, Jews were going to Palestine in droves. They were also stockpiling guns and such forth which is why, after the State of Israel was created, they didn't get wiped out by the Arabs.

And most of Israel's military gear is manufactured in Israel.

Whether China aids our economy or not doesnt take away from the fact it is still the best economy on the planet.

Er... it makes us dependent on a pseudo-Communist regime which we now all but whole-heartedly support. If the PRC decides that they're sick of us, we will expirience a new depression. (And it'll take another Democrat to pull us out of it.)

Our failings with Katrina doesnt change the fact that we havent gave by far the most amount of funds and resources to people around the world.

I never said they did.

I must admit, for all its flaws, America is still okay, but it is by no means the best in the world.

I'm proud of the fact that our Founding Fathers had the gumption to openly engage in terrorism. It means that I get to be an American. It means that you get to be an American, too, so stop acting so self-righteous.



No, Israel would be around whether we funded them or not. After WWII and before UN declared the creation of the State of Israel, Jews were going to Palestine in droves. They were also stockpiling guns and such forth which is why, after the State of Israel was created, they didn't get wiped out by the Arabs.

And most of Israel's military gear is manufactured in Israel.



Er... it makes us dependent on a pseudo-Communist regime which we now all but whole-heartedly support. If the PRC decides that they're sick of us, we will expirience a new depression. (And it'll take another Democrat to pull us out of it.)



I never said they did.
If you want to called the guerilla-style tactics they used terrorism, fine whatever.

Without our support, Israel would have been removed long ago by its neighbors and other nations. Our funding led to their infrastructure which includes them being able to build their military equipment. Without our aid they would fall apart.

If the chinese the get sick of us it would just be an economic adjustment. The free market economy is flexible and does not need the Chinese. Our economy is strong and if we go to into a depression a democrat wouldnt be able to pull us out of a depression anymore than a repub. would. The free market doesnt not depend on the Government, thats why its not communism.

Originally Posted by The UN abassadorship
Which country funded all of Europe to get back on its feet after WW2?

You need to seriously research this. Sure, the U.S. helped rebuild various parts of the destroyed infrastructure, but it did not carry every nation in Europe "back to its feet".

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!

Kindly go shit a brick and me I'll have a stiff puke.

You want to call great men who sacrificed greatly to reject the oppressive monrachy for the hope of freedom and peace, men whos vision was so great that it holds true today in worlds oldest current democracy terrorists? :mad:
one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
this still applies today, you know.

and btw, the "oppressive monarchy" of which you speak actually gave the american colonists the lowest taxes of any other empire colony, or even Britain itself for some time. could you tell me in which ways the monarchy was so oppressive? (i actually would like to know as i know little of the history of the time, just a bit about the economics)

What? Which country in Europe doesn't have a military?Iceland.

Is the UN ambassadorship guy for real? Or his he just mocking the stereyotypes that I hold of his countrymen?

If you want to called the guerilla-style tactics they used terrorism, fine whatever.
Please explain the diffrence between tehre tactics and those of the 'Terrorists' in iraq. They have the same motive-Wanting oppressive invaders out of there country. They both sue bombs and guns and they both attack with stealth.

Without our support, Israel would have been removed long ago by its neighbors and other nations. Our funding led to their infrastructure which includes them being able to build their military equipment. Without our aid they would fall apart.
This is just too stupid for words, YOUR GIVING AID TO BOTH SIDES!

If the chinese the get sick of us it would just be an economic adjustment. The free market economy is flexible and does not need the Chinese. Our economy is strong and if we go to into a depression a democrat wouldnt be able to pull us out of a depression anymore than a repub. would. The free market doesnt not depend on the Government, thats why its not communism.
How would you do this economic ajustmen, where, for instance, would you get all your consumer goods. How much oif your stuff is Made in China? Your clothes would be gone, that'd be first, and your watches, TV's PCs.... the list goes on.

You want to call great men who sacrificed greatly to reject the oppressive monrachy for the hope of freedom and peace, men whos vision was so great that it holds true today in worlds oldest current democracy terrorists?
Many countries were founded by people who today would be called terrorists - Ireland, for example. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter yadda yadda yadda.
Israel is only a country because of us. It only has a army because of us. If we were to cut funding to them, they have nothing. Our army is far superior.
Which is why, with no help, they defeated the four nations attacking them in 1948. And they're soldiers are better trained and more battle hardened than yours. You do have the technological edge, though.
Whether China aids our economy or not doesnt take away from the fact it is still the best economy on the planet.
Biggest isn't necessarily best.

Our failings with Katrina doesnt change the fact that we havent gave by far the most amount of funds and resources to people around the world.
Freudian slip? ;)
Maybe you have, but not by per capita standards. That's a much better measure of generosity than total donations.

Our failings with Katrina doesnt change the fact that we havent gave by far the most amount of funds and resources to people around the world.
Lol, tell me who gives more, a small bloke who has £50 in the world and gives £25 of that to charity, or the big guy who has £9,000 and gives £50? Who is mroe generious?

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!

Oh boy, are we comparing penis sizes again?
Grow up, kids. "Mine is bigger than yours" is no measurement for how great you are.

It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

Having visited America i can say i enjoyed it very much although i only visited florida i would like to see some other interesting states - not north or south dakota then...

I don't always agree with americas government and its policies but i like the ordinary american people.

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!
This is why I'm embarassed to even say I'm from the US.

This is why I'm embarassed to even say I'm from the US.

No need. :fluffle:
My experience is that Americans can be absolutely great, but America... well, I'm always glad for the Atlantic. And that people like the OP won't cross it ;)

You want to call great men who sacrificed greatly to reject the oppressive monrachy for the hope of freedom and peace, men whos vision was so great that it holds true today in worlds oldest current democracy terrorists? :mad: please. I have to stop myself b4 I say something that might get me banned.


Monarchy I rather think not. The civil war had somewhat seen to regal pre-eminence, the imperial crown was absent, since the glory of colonialism was prosecuited by parliament and the first ministers.

Great is irrefutably a perspective, however do not retain the fallacy that the "founding fathers" sought peace, democracy and freedom above a seperation from clonial taxation, it was the colonial taxation that engendered the "war of independance".

Incidentally, what on earth dfoes b4 stand for, a cocktail?


Israel is only a country because of us. It only has a army because of us. If we were to cut funding to them, they have nothing. Our army is far superior.
Whether China aids our economy or not doesnt take away from the fact it is still the best economy on the planet.
Our failings with Katrina doesnt change the fact that we havent gave by far the most amount of funds and resources to people around the world.

Incidentally, who first promised and proffered to the Jews Israel? The founding fathers? The great men who sacrificed so much for the hope of freedom and peace? No. British diplomats and British manadatorial forces.

Incidentally, in relation to the American economy, I will profess to a little ignorance, however you seem to possess considerably more poverty than our little "oppressive monarchy", and, per capita, is is truly that formidable in relation to that of the Japenese?

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!

Erm...it just might be me but I fail to see any factor that attributes to the global welfare directly. Also most of American entertainment is a cultural and intellectual wasteland and when people want to be like americans im certain it's merely the aspect of having hard dollars and those huge refrigirators. Both things that people outside the us can have actually...

Incidentally, what on earth dfoes b4 stand for, a cocktail?

Before.

Not to mention that Britain invented/discovered the following as well

Supersonic flight
The Rifle
Cat's eyes
The fax machine
The internet
Gas masks
The hydrofoil
The internal combustion engine
Depth charges
The periscope
Penicilin
Radar
Television
The umbrellea
The metal lathe

Ermm, it was a Dane who invented the Penicilin not the british.

The things I like most about America are:

1) Anyone can be an American. Only French can be French. Only Germans can be German. All you have to do to become an American is get on a plane and take a few "How To Be An American" classes.

2) People DIE trying to get here. I don't like that they die. I like that they are willing to get onto anything that will float and drift for days in shark infested waters to get here.

3) The highest GDP of any nation. Unless the EU is taken into consideration (I'm not sure if it is considered a 'country' anymore.), adding the GDP of the next 3 nations together is about equal to the US GDP.

4) The most advanced military in the world. Of course we pay through the nose for it but I'm okay with that because it's one of the core responsibilities of any government. Unless you are Canadian or European, in which case the US Military protects your ungrateful asses while you take 4 months of vacation every year after your strenuous 35 hour work week. (I get a month of vacation, including 7 holidays, and work bout 43 hours a week. That's about average.)

5) The 'poor' in the US would be considered middle class or wealthy in just about any country on the planet (say 90-95%). I'd rather be flat broke and busted in the US. Opportunity replaces hope here as opposed to Europe where being flat broke and busted is a lifestyle choice. Read (4). Mexico's 2nd highest source of income, between oil and tourism, is people working in the US and sending a PORTION of it back home.

1) lol, okay here we go.. It is actually possibel to get citizenship in European nations, including France.

2) Well as someone said earlier, people die trying to get to the PRC as well ;) Its not like you got anything to brag about here, it simply means there exist people so poor that they are willing to risk their life to get to a place they hope are better.

3) First of all, what do you mean about anymore? the EU has never been a nation, and the failed constitution did not mean we became "less united", that was made very clear afterwards. And the EU does not at all need more members to gain a greater GDP then the US we already got a greater GDP (Official Exchange rate wise) with about 600 trillions... And the US only lead with 200 trillions (when it comes to PPP GDP) and the EU GDP will be higher in all ways from next year, and Europe has for along time ago now becomed the worlds biggest market, with a currency threatening the dollar alot, and if it manage to take over the Dollars place as World Currency will the US economy risk collapse and be in big debt to especially Europe... I dont think you should brag to much about you guys economy :D ...

4) Europe can easily defend itself, and doubt anyone here seriously think the US would protect US unless they begun to feel it in the treasury or get draged in somehow (same goes for WW2).

5) lol I got no idea where you have those statistics from and I dont think you should take them to serious ;)

Of course I love America. Who doesn't?
Horse with no name and Ventura Highway are on everybody's favourites lists.

Before.

Thanks for clearing that up.:)

You want to call great men who sacrificed greatly to reject the oppressive monrachy for the hope of freedom and peace, men whos vision was so great that it holds true today in worlds oldest current democracy terrorists? ... (skipped for brevity).
Wouldn't that be Greece.

You know, the guys who invented the thing.


EDIT: Besides, your's not a true democracy like some USAmerican like to repeat so often.

Of course I love America. Who doesn't?
Horse with no name and Ventura Highway are on everybody's favourites lists.
Best reply yet.

In my opinion, you win the thread.

my bad

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

with looking at that, the U.S. is the 4th highest in Income.
And Denmark has the highest living standard in the world :)

America is a country built on the graves of soldiers.
"Eerr...yeeeh we'll stay isolationist dudes, but we'll sell you crap anyway!"
Wardebts my ass give us our money back you pigs.
If you charge us for WW2 your as Bad as the Nazi's if not worse, because you KNOW what ur doing is wrong. SICKOOOOOS

America is a country built on the graves of soldiers.
"Eerr...yeeeh we'll stay isolationist dudes, but we'll sell you crap anyway!"
Wardebts my ass give us our money back you pigs.
If you charge us for WW2 your as Bad as the Nazi's if not worse, because you KNOW what ur doing is wrong. SICKOOOOOS

Flamin':p

Wouldn't that be Greece.

You know, the guys who invented the thing.


EDIT: Besides, your's not a true democracy like some USAmerican like to repeat so often.

No, I said longest CURRENT democracy. They have had breaks from that system for vaious amounts of time since they started it.

You need to seriously research this. Sure, the U.S. helped rebuild various parts of the destroyed infrastructure, but it did not carry every nation in Europe "back to its feet".

Yes it did. Without us europe would have fallen into communism and a have an economy right now similar to eastern europe. so say thank you.

No, I said longest CURRENT democracy. They have had breaks from that system for vaious amounts of time since they started it.

Incidentally, British democracy has endured since 1649 and the declaration of the first commonwealth, when the US was populated by 'injuns.

Yes it did. Without us europe would have fallen into communism and a have an economy right now similar to eastern europe. so say thank you.

Had you not compelled us to abandon our empires, our econmoies would have been quite fine, and incidentaly, the British economy essentially implemented its own recovery, since it recieved a frankly negligable amount of capityal from the US in relation to those states under Nazi occupation.

Please explain the diffrence between tehre tactics and those of the 'Terrorists' in iraq. They have the same motive-Wanting oppressive invaders out of there country. They both sue bombs and guns and they both attack with stealth.

This is just too stupid for words, YOUR GIVING AID TO BOTH SIDES!

How would you do this economic ajustmen, where, for instance, would you get all your consumer goods. How much oif your stuff is Made in China? Your clothes would be gone, that'd be first, and your watches, TV's PCs.... the list goes on.
The founding fathers were fighting for freedom the terrorist fight against it.
We give far more money to Israel.
We could just make that stuff here, creating jobs and making the economy even stronger(if thats possible)

Lol, tell me who gives more, a small bloke who has £50 in the world and gives £25 of that to charity, or the big guy who has £9,000 and gives £50? Who is mroe generious?
You people have funny symbols to show $, maybe you need new computers? The guy that gave $50 is because its more, somebody needs to take a math class....

Monarchy I rather think not. The civil war had somewhat seen to regal pre-eminence, the imperial crown was absent, since the glory of colonialism was prosecuited by parliament and the first ministers.

Great is irrefutably a perspective, however do not retain the fallacy that the "founding fathers" sought peace, democracy and freedom above a seperation from clonial taxation, it was the colonial taxation that engendered the "war of independance".

I think your just upset we beat your guys butt in the war and broke away from you. I think your jealous we are superpower now and that the sun set on your "empire" The founding fathers were still great men.

I think your just upset we beat your guys butt in the war and broke away from you. I think your jealous we are superpower now and that the sun set on your "empire" The founding fathers were still great men.

Great men in what respect, and to whom?

Sure, I love how you put your greedy paws on everything that does not belong to you. Here! Have some more oil! Oh, you want our government too? Well, be my guest! After all, you're everyones favorite little fascistnation, aren't you? Yes you are... You're so CUTE when you influence other countries to join your holy crusade in slaying all evil... That would be everyone but yourselves...

God bless America, and all its greasy fatasses, who suck up more national resources than anyone else...
Maybe it's just that I'm American, but these kinds of posts are waaaaaay more annoying than the original poster rambling on.

And I mean, maybe it's just me, but when someone insults America personally, I feel a personal insult.

By the way, Corruptropolis, you're pretty cute too;)

I think your just upset we beat your guys butt in the war and broke away from you. I think your jealous we are superpower now and that the sun set on your "empire" The founding fathers were still great men.

Why is it that whenever somebody somewhere doesn't wholeheartedly agree that America is the absolute best idea mankind ever had, he or she must be automatically jealous?

Erm...it just might be me but I fail to see any factor that attributes to the global welfare directly. Also most of American entertainment is a cultural and intellectual wasteland and when people want to be like americans im certain it's merely the aspect of having hard dollars and those huge refrigirators. Both things that people outside the us can have actually...
Who said anything about global welfare, I dont care about that. I care about AMERICA! Wasteland!? you serious, I love our entertainment,its awesome to see stuff blow up.

Who said anything about global welfare, I dont care about that. I care about AMERICA! Wasteland!? you serious, I love our entertainment,its awesome to see stuff blow up.

Well, one good thing about Americans is that they are easily entertained... :D

Great men in what respect, and to whom?

To all us Americans. They risked life and limb to setup a place where people could be free. also the documents they wrote were so genius they still are great to this day.

Who said anything about global welfare, I dont care about that. I care about AMERICA! Wasteland!? you serious, I love our entertainment,its awesome to see stuff blow up.

I had wondered, however that confirmed my presumptions.

Why is it that whenever somebody somewhere doesn't wholeheartedly agree that America is the absolute best idea mankind ever had, he or she must be automatically jealous?
Because most the time they are.

To all us Americans. They risked life and limb to setup a place where people could be free. also the documents they wrote were so genius they still are great to this day.

Once more, great to your perspective.

Once more, great to your perspective.
I know you probably see them as "traitors to the crown" right?

Because most the time they are.

Has it occured to you that if they were, there's nothing easier than to simply move over and become one of you?

Honestly, in all the many feelings I had about your country in the past decades, jealousy was never among them.

Because most the time they are.

Of what my dear fellow? Reality Televison, R n' B music, intellectually numbing entertainment, Islamic fundamentalism and ardnent, blind and indoctrinated jingoism?

Somehow I doubt it.

I know you probably see them as "traitors to the crown" right?

No, well, yes, but concurrently as insurrectionists whose success has led to their being romanticsed beyond their station or due.

No, well, yes, but concurrently as insurrectionists whose success has led to their being romanticsed beyond their station or due.

"romanticsed beyond their station or due." Are you serious? those men were heros who without them, we would not be a country, we'd still be apart you guys. God, when its put that way, they are even greater men. *shudders at the thought of being british*

Of what my dear fellow? Reality Televison, R n' B music, intellectually numbing entertainment, Islamic fundamentalism and ardnent, blind and indoctrinated jingoism?

Somehow I doubt it.

No jealous at the fact we are bigger and more powerful.

"romanticsed beyond their station or due." Are you serious? those men were heros who without them, we would not be a country, we'd still be apart you guys. God, when its put that way, they are even greater men. *shudders at the thought of being british*

Well, maybe in that case you would have profited from their educational system and be a little more advanced regarding grammar and spelling?

No jealous at the fact we are bigger and more powerful.

Here we go again... comparing penis sizes. Honestly, hasn't anybody told you yet that size really isn't everything?

So... What if Sweden attacks Denmark hmm? Didn't see that one coming, eh?
:p But why am I helping keeping this thread alive? It's not as if it's as funny as the "war on Iran" thread...

Sweden attacks Denmark, then the Netherlands comes and saves us :P it's been done before!

(Denmark attacks Sweden, then Netherlands comes and saves them... that's been done too).

This nation has never supported terrorists. We have helped resistance movements agianst puppet communist regime and other rogue states that threaten security, nothing wrong with this. Ignorance of modern history and current affairs? please thats all I do is study those issues.

Which country funded all of Europe to get back on its feet after WW2? Which country stood up to communists for decades saying "no you will not hurt or our allies"? which bailed the french out of Veitnam? How many countries dont need a standing army because we protect them and then whine that we are war mongers? Which country has the biggest and best economy? which country has the best military in the history of the world? Which country has given more relief aid and charity assistance in disasters? You want to say we arent great? wow

Resistance movements that have occasionally been targeted against Democratically elected governments.

You forgot eastern europe, you had to make them ask... course, Soviet Russia didn't want them to ask.

Were they trying to hurt us or you? Several countries stayed neutral in face of Soviet Russia.

Remember the Czech Republic and Slovakia? That was a democratically elected semi-socialist, semi-communist regime, but did you support them when Russia marched in with tanks?

Nobody bailed the French out, they were supposed to give up Indochina anyway, but of course, you paid them to stay and then you went in yourself afterwards.

I would have to say that Luxembourg probably has the biggest and best economy per capita. It's the most stable and strongest per capita.

How do you say the best military in the history of the world? Comparatively? How exactly? I wouldn't say in the history of the world, as that would have to include comparisons. Anyway, the whole american army isn't a bunch of hyper-motivated, ultra-trained, super-equipped army. If it was, Then it'd be the best military in the history of the world (as it is, such militaries are few and rare indeed, there was mention of some 2000 anti poachers that filled those criteria in Japan).

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kai/foreignaid.html
Funny... the US is at the bottom.

"romanticsed beyond their station or due." Are you serious? those men were heros who without them, we would not be a country, we'd still be apart you guys. God, when its put that way, they are even greater men. *shudders at the thought of being british*

They founded a nation. Brilliant. Whoopdy doo.:rolleyes:

Please have no illusions as to the fact that it was French intervention that won you the war, otherwise you would have known the imperial might of Britain, and as for the founding fathers, I sincerely advocate that, had they failed yet the US come into being later, they would be disparate non entities.

No jealous at the fact we are bigger and more powerful.

Quality not quantity my oh so indoctrinated and intellectually bereft friend.

Here we go again... comparing penis sizes. Honestly, hasn't anybody told you yet that size really isn't everything?
What is with you and penises? Are you the same guy that made a penis reference earlier? Anyone who says size isnt everything is overcompensating.....

No jealous at the fact we are bigger and more powerful.

To emphasize the point that size and power matters not: Denmark only went to war because the US asked us to. Before that, 160 years of peace. No need for a large military, no need for a foreign military to protect us either.

To emphasize that I am not jealous, Denmark is one of the few countries to meet the 1% aid standard in the EU. Yes, there's a standard!

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kai/foreignaid.html

If the US were to join, it'd be considered way below standard.

Also, in Denmark, I get a free education, in the US, I get poverty.

What is with you and penises? Are you the same guy that made a penis reference earlier? Anyone who says size isnt everything is overcompensating.....

Assuming, as I do rightfully, that she is female, I somewhat doubt it.

What is with you and penises? Are you the same guy that made a penis reference earlier? Anyone who says size isnt everything is overcompensating.....

Anyone who says size is everything is delusional about his own size. Take it from this woman.
And, truth be told, your posts do have an air of "mine is sooooo much bigger than yours, so I'm better at everything"

Last time i checked the Germans took Denmark. What was that about not needing a military?

Anyone who says size is everything is delusional about his own size. Take it from this woman.
And, truth be told, your posts do have an air of "mine is sooooo much bigger than yours, so I'm better at everything"

My point was that there was no need for penises to enter the conversation, but maybe thats a European thing or something. Here in America bigger is better. And Im sorry if I mistaked you for a guy.

Actually, being uncircumsized means on average you have a bigger penis so the most of the outside world has a larger penis than you do and as you say bigger is better.

Actually, being uncircumsized means on average you have a bigger penis so the most of the outside world has a larger penis than you do and as you say bigger is better.
Can we stop the Penis talk please.

My point was that there was no need for penises to enter the conversation, but maybe thats a European thing or something. Here in America bigger is better. And Im sorry if I mistaked you for a guy.

The subtle art of seeing parallels must be exclusively European, that's true. *lol
And if you truely believe that bigger is automaticllay better, I seriously start to pity the American women right now ;) On the other hand, it does explain your country's obesity figures.

But to make my statement clear, if it was indeed to subtle and not obvious enough : A person who sees the constant need to boast about something he didn't achieve himself comes across as immature and insecure to the extreme. The need to compare one's own "advantages" with those of everybody else is a game that is generally called "comparing penis sizes", I think Freud was the first to state this connection between insecurity and the need to boast.

Last time i checked the Germans took Denmark. What was that about not needing a military?

160 years ago, yeah.

Which country has the biggest and best economy?
Oh please. The American economy is maintained oh so steadily by their allies. It's like saying Tokyo is the biggest city in the world despite the fact that it is a conglomeration.

I think every economy in the world is held up by others...except perhaps North Korea (although even they trade with other nations). It's a good thing, too, because it makes our economy stronger and more stable.

I think every economy in the world is held up by others...except perhaps North Korea (although even they trade with other nations). It's a good thing, too, because it makes our economy stronger and more stable.

Yeah. Global economics tend to benefit everyone. Usually.

I'd be careful though, it's not always all rosy, doesn't always help everyone. It doesn't even always help the US (why do you think they're tariffs?).

160 years ago, yeah.

You were taken over by Germany in 1940 through Operation Weserübung when the Germans violated their nonaggression pact and invaded. You were held until May of 1945, and from 1943-1945 were directly controlled by the Nazi government.

I'd be careful though, it's not always all rosy, doesn't always help everyone. It doesn't even always help the US (why do you think they're tariffs?).

Tariffs are used because people are afraid to have to compete with other nations; they're nothing more than an impediment to economic growth and greater parity in economic affairs.

Plus, they often give the country they are leveled against a profit advantage while simultaneously hurting the poor and lower classes (tariffs are almost entirely centered on high labor, low value manufactured products). Getting rid of them benefits everyone who is prepared to compete.

You were taken over by Germany in 1940 through Operation Weserübung when the Germans violated their nonaggression pact and invaded. You were held until May of 1945, and from 1943-1945 were directly controlled by the Nazi government.

Germany didn't invade Denmark. Denmark surrendered, after getting an offer and it did so because it would benefit economically.

By the way, the fighting that did take place, to protect our Royal Family's Castle because we didn't want the Nazi flag to fly there, we won.

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!

Sorry, try again. (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html)

Germany didn't invade Denmark. Denmark surrendered, after getting an offer and it did so because it would benefit economically.

Is that a good thing? I would suppose it was, since it enabled the Danish Jews to be safely moved to Sweden...I guess it's better than what happened in the Netherlands.

By the way, the fighting that did take place, to protect our Royal Family's Castle because we didn't want the Nazi flag to fly there, we won.

Well, any attempt to fight the Nazis is a brave one. I credit them for it.
Of course, by surrendering you did save a lot of people that would have died in vain...it's one of those issues where surrender might have been the best option.

Sorry, try again. (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html)

We do have the biggest economy, but not the most per capita. However, our economy also has one of the faster growth rates in the developed world...but "best" is a relative term. We're the best in some things, but nowhere near the best in others.

We do have the biggest economy, but not the most per capita. However, our economy also has one of the faster growth rates in the developed world...but "best" is a relative term. We're the best in some things, but nowhere near the best in others.

Even if your economy is strong, the disparity between the rich and poor is nothing to boast about. If you had half the purchasing power and twice the social programs, I'd be more inclined to be excited.

Is that a good thing? I would suppose it was, since it enabled the Danish Jews to be safely moved to Sweden...I guess it's better than what happened in the Netherlands.



Well, any attempt to fight the Nazis is a brave one. I credit them for it.
Of course, by surrendering you did save a lot of people that would have died in vain...it's one of those issues where surrender might have been the best option.

Danish Jews, Danish citizens and friends, what's the difference?

On one hand, surrendering saved lives and whatnot, on the other, we could've slowed the Nazis down and weakened them by using the army that we did have (not sure how big it was or how strong it was). I'm not really sure what to think, but I do believe I would have admitted defeat myself in a similar situation, whereafter I would've attempted to make the best of it (i.e.: save as many as possible, resist as hard as possible).

Course, all the time that Nazi Germany occupied Denmark, they actually did follow Danish law. That meant that after the war, the constitution was changed to forbid the formation of violent organizations (Gestapo anyone?).

But this is thread hijacking and I should stop and go to bed.

America is okay. I mean, I always see America Vs EU, but whenever you look at the various EU countries at America, they're always competing for the top twenty. It's no wonder we're so competetive on these forums. Still... I dislike the blatant attitude of: OMG! America pwns y'all! Y'alls suck!
I also dislike the blatant attitude of: OMG! America stinks and sucks, OMG! lolzors America pwnd by failed states!

I prefer intellectual discussions :)

On one hand, surrendering saved lives and whatnot, on the other, we could've slowed the Nazis down and weakened them by using the army that we did have (not sure how big it was or how strong it was). I'm not really sure what to think, but I do believe I would have admitted defeat myself in a similar situation, whereafter I would've attempted to make the best of it (i.e.: save as many as possible, resist as hard as possible).
Well, German troops were in Copenhagen, had secured the vital bridges and flooded into Denmark pretty much without warning, into a flat, treeless area ideal for tank operations.
If the Netherlands and Belgium could fall in a matter of weeks, with Allied support, I doubt Denmark could have achieved much. They did the right thing in the end.

Well, German troops were in Copenhagen, had secured the vital bridges and flooded into Denmark pretty much without warning, into a flat, treeless area ideal for tank operations.
If the Netherlands and Belgium could fall in a matter of weeks, with Allied support, I doubt Denmark could have achieved much. They did the right thing in the end.

I guess so.

History is on our side too! I mean, everything turned out relatively alright in Denmark afterwards. And we did avoid massive casaulties.

Plus, you're right, there's fewer trees in Denmark. At least in Belgium they have the ardennes and it's more hilly. Denmark is just so damned flat.

btw - there weren't really that many vital bridges in Denmark back in the 1940s

Plus, you're right, there's fewer trees in Denmark. At least in Belgium they have the ardennes and it's more hilly. Denmark is just so damned flat.

You also don't have the incredible cold or snows of Finland, so that's another one against you.

You also don't have the incredible cold or snows of Finland, so that's another one against you.

Indeed, surrender just seems smarter and smarter against a militarized nazi germany.

Well, i'm off.

btw - there weren't really that many vital bridges in Denmark back in the 1940s
Well, more like one: over the little belt.

I did not read every posting, but with the first few pages down, I think I need to put some stuff out here.

I have seen several times now that the United States has a poor economy due to deficits and national debt, or what have you. Well, as a function of the Gross Domestic Product, the budget deficit is only 2.6 percent as of 2005. That compares to 5.1 percent in 1985. The US dollar is up 10 percent against the euro and yen in the past 8 months. Our unemployment rate is 4.9 percent. Our workers are more productive than those in Europe (mainly because we don't take off a month for vacation for every two we work :) ). The median household net worth is now estimated to be over $100,000. (The median is a better representation than the average because the median is resistant to extremely high or low values, for anyone out there who doesn't know about how statistics work).

We are the sole reason why the United Nations exists. This is because we pretty much fund everything it does. Everyone is quick to criticize the United States, but they are also quick to put out a hand begging.

With regards to military, large masses of people do not cause a military to win. Greater technology, speed, and intelligence do. We are the only country in the world with first, second, and third generation stealth technology.

For anyone concerned about China supplanting the US as the economic leader of the world, try investing in them. That way, if and when they do better, you do better.

For anyone who is curious, we are a republic, not a democracy. (And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, Battle Hymn of the REPUBLIC).

Socialists in the world who are failing are just jealous. Suck it up, become more conservative. That's the wave of the future. Props to Canada for its recent elections.

The subtle art of seeing parallels must be exclusively European, that's true. *lol
And if you truely believe that bigger is automaticllay better, I seriously start to pity the American women right now ;) On the other hand, it does explain your country's obesity figures.

But to make my statement clear, if it was indeed to subtle and not obvious enough : A person who sees the constant need to boast about something he didn't achieve himself comes across as immature and insecure to the extreme. The need to compare one's own "advantages" with those of everybody else is a game that is generally called "comparing penis sizes", I think Freud was the first to state this connection between insecurity and the need to boast.
I dont get you Europeans and your sex references, dont worry about our women, they are just fine(at least mine is) thank you very much.;) Our obesity figures are just a product of our success. We are not insecure, just proud of our power. Freud as been all but discredited here in the states for being crazy, overly sexual, and a mommy lover. But for some reason Europeans still listen to that guy. :headbang: :confused:

I did not read every posting, but with the first few pages down, I think I need to put some stuff out here.

I have seen several times now that the United States has a poor economy due to deficits and national debt, or what have you. Well, as a function of the Gross Domestic Product, the budget deficit is only 2.6 percent as of 2005. That compares to 5.1 percent in 1985. The US dollar is up 10 percent against the euro and yen in the past 8 months. Our unemployment rate is 4.9 percent. Our workers are more productive than those in Europe (mainly because we don't take off a month for vacation for every two we work :) ). The median household net worth is now estimated to be over $100,000. (The median is a better representation than the average because the median is resistant to extremely high or low values, for anyone out there who doesn't know about how statistics work).

We are the sole reason why the United Nations exists. This is because we pretty much fund everything it does. Everyone is quick to criticize the United States, but they are also quick to put out a hand begging.

With regards to military, large masses of people do not cause a military to win. Greater technology, speed, and intelligence do. We are the only country in the world with first, second, and third generation stealth technology.

For anyone concerned about China supplanting the US as the economic leader of the world, try investing in them. That way, if and when they do better, you do better.

For anyone who is curious, we are a republic, not a democracy. (And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, Battle Hymn of the REPUBLIC).

Socialists in the world who are failing are just jealous. Suck it up, become more conservative. That's the wave of the future. Props to Canada for its recent elections.

How many trillion dollars do you have in debt?
AND
How much money have you given Africa to pay for ARV's?
AND
Please do not associate me in any way with Stephen Harper. I do not support him.

But for some reason Europeans still listen to that guy. :headbang: :confused:
And Americans still listen to Hegel. Let's just say we are both silly - but European sillyness doesn't kill as many people.

I dont get you Europeans and your sex references, dont worry about our women, they are just fine(at least mine is) thank you very much. Our obesity figures are just a product of our success. We are not insecure, just proud of our power. Freud as been all but discredited here in the states for being crazy, overly sexual, and a mommy lover. But for some reason Europeans still listen to that guy.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. You see, people who are secure about their place in the world just accept it and move on. It's generally only people who are in a role they are not at all comfortable with, people who feel that they need to fill a space they can't fill, who feel the need to boast about how great they are and what a great job they are doing in their role.
Freud compared it to the penis because that got attention. Personally, I would trace behaviour like that back even further into childhood. Children playing with older kids will demonstrate the same behaviour, boasting and showing off and playing up. It's the "my toys are better than yours, my dad makes more money than yours" pattern.

After having lived in a number of countries around the globe, I think no country is in any way superiour to another. What country is best for your own happyness depends on your own disposition, preferences and desires. I wouldn't want to live in the USA if I got paid for it, but I love living in Ireland. But I know a good number of people whol ived here and didn't like it and moved on. That doesn't make Ireland a better country than the US, but neither does it make it worse in any way.

You seem to go on and on about how the US is so much better compared to everything else, something that's only a valid statement in a subjective context (as in "best for me"), not taking into account that the planet hosts around 6 billion different subjective perspectives today.
Basically, what you are doing has little enough to do with justified pride, it's a simple arrogance and a weak attempt of boosting your own self-esteem by putting down others.

Here in America bigger is better. And Im sorry if I mistaked you for a guy.
it's not how big somthing is-it's how you use it. ;)

America PWNS you! America> j00

;)

America PWNS you! America> j00

;)
well, obviously.

What can one man alone do against an entire continent?

:D

well, obviously.

What can one man alone do against an entire continent?

:D

What bugs me sometime is that they won't even let others ignore them an live in peace, but after they intruded they complain about the latent hostility... go figure. :rolleyes:

Even if your economy is strong, the disparity between the rich and poor is nothing to boast about. If you had half the purchasing power and twice the social programs, I'd be more inclined to be excited.

Ideally, strong economic growth would bring about greater economic equality, but the aftermath of the various market-distorting programs of the early and mid-20th century, retained protectionist sentiment in the government and the ongoing perpetuation of corporate welfare are all combining to prevent this from occuring.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. You see, people who are secure about their place in the world just accept it and move on. It's generally only people who are in a role they are not at all comfortable with, people who feel that they need to fill a space they can't fill, who feel the need to boast about how great they are and what a great job they are doing in their role.
Freud compared it to the penis because that got attention. Personally, I would trace behaviour like that back even further into childhood. Children playing with older kids will demonstrate the same behaviour, boasting and showing off and playing up. It's the "my toys are better than yours, my dad makes more money than yours" pattern.

After having lived in a number of countries around the globe, I think no country is in any way superiour to another. What country is best for your own happyness depends on your own disposition, preferences and desires. I wouldn't want to live in the USA if I got paid for it, but I love living in Ireland. But I know a good number of people whol ived here and didn't like it and moved on. That doesn't make Ireland a better country than the US, but neither does it make it worse in any way.

You seem to go on and on about how the US is so much better compared to everything else, something that's only a valid statement in a subjective context (as in "best for me"), not taking into account that the planet hosts around 6 billion different subjective perspectives today.
Basically, what you are doing has little enough to do with justified pride, it's a simple arrogance and a weak attempt of boosting your own self-esteem by putting down others.

Are you saying my penis is small?:p just kidding of course, but seriously. I dont think its arrogance, I was simply stating that the US has the best military and biggest economy, thats not opinion its just fact.

Are you saying my penis is small?:p just kidding of course, but seriously. I dont think its arrogance, I was simply stating that the US has the best military and biggest economy, thats not opinion its just fact.

"Best" military is a matter of opinion, not fact.

"Best" military is a matter of opinion, not fact.
name one better

name one better

I can name equals and I can name nations that have arguably better militaries based on differing sets of what makes a military "good".

Are you saying my penis is small?:p just kidding of course, but seriously. I dont think its arrogance, I was simply stating that the US has the best military and biggest economy, thats not opinion its just fact.
You cited those "facts" are proof that America is great.

It was a pissing contest. :rolleyes:

"Best" military is a matter of opinion, not fact.

The US does have the best military overall in the world; however, it isn't the best in everything. I would say that no military in the world could defeat the US military in combat at this point in time. The region most able to have a military equal to the US's is the EU, but that is unlikely at present.

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!

Having dated a Malaysian and now dating a Canadian, I can say that our national pride is what does us in most often. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be an American, been in the Marines, have had family in every major war from Vietnam back (even had a great uncle at the Normandy invasion), and my family has been here since the 1500s. But sometimes we are a bit over zealous and think everyone should envy us. You have to remember, everyone loves their country just as much as we love ours. The difference is, we are not afraid to show it. A lot of times others get cranky with us quite simply because we are Americans. But it's not in the way of "I hate Americans and wish they would die!" type of angry, but more of the "Oh my God, here comes that annoying kid again!" angry.

If you want an example of what I mean, go look at the American Embassy's wall in Paris after 9/11. The amount of flowers, and the people weeping was staggering. The little old French lady that said "Today, we are all Americans" STILL brings a tear to my eye. I may not like how some of the countries treat us, and they may not like how we swagger while we walk, but when it comes down to it, if something happened in Europe and the US wasn't the first to respond, I, myself, would move to Europe to help out in what way I could. That's just how it is. It's like a sibling rivalry, IMO. My sister and I may get on each other's case about things, and say mean things in an argument, but damned if anyone else is going to do that!

Having dated a Malaysian and now dating a Canadian, I can say that our national pride is what does us in most often. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be an American, been in the Marines, have had family in every major war from Vietnam back (even had a great uncle at the Normandy invasion), and my family has been here since the 1500s. But sometimes we are a bit over zealous and think everyone should envy us. You have to remember, everyone loves their country just as much as we love ours. The difference is, we are not afraid to show it. A lot of times others get cranky with us quite simply because we are Americans. But it's not in the way of "I hate Americans and wish they would die!" type of angry, but more of the "Oh my God, here comes that annoying kid again!" angry.

If you want an example of what I mean, go look at the American Embassy's wall in Paris after 9/11. The amount of flowers, and the people weeping was staggering. The little old French lady that said "Today, we are all Americans" STILL brings a tear to my eye. I may not like how some of the countries treat us, and they may not like how we swagger while we walk, but when it comes down to it, if something happened in Europe and the US wasn't the first to respond, I, myself, would move to Europe to help out in what way I could. That's just how it is. It's like a sibling rivalry, IMO. My sister and I may get on each other's case about things, and say mean things in an argument, but damned if anyone else is going to do that!

I couldn't have said that better. Thank you :fluffle:

Having dated a Malaysian and now dating a Canadian, I can say that our national pride is what does us in most often. Don't get me wrong, I'm proud to be an American, been in the Marines, have had family in every major war from Vietnam back (even had a great uncle at the Normandy invasion), and my family has been here since the 1500s. But sometimes we are a bit over zealous and think everyone should envy us. You have to remember, everyone loves their country just as much as we love ours. The difference is, we are not afraid to show it. A lot of times others get cranky with us quite simply because we are Americans. But it's not in the way of "I hate Americans and wish they would die!" type of angry, but more of the "Oh my God, here comes that annoying kid again!" angry.

If you want an example of what I mean, go look at the American Embassy's wall in Paris after 9/11. The amount of flowers, and the people weeping was staggering. The little old French lady that said "Today, we are all Americans" STILL brings a tear to my eye. I may not like how some of the countries treat us, and they may not like how we swagger while we walk, but when it comes down to it, if something happened in Europe and the US wasn't the first to respond, I, myself, would move to Europe to help out in what way I could. That's just how it is. It's like a sibling rivalry, IMO. My sister and I may get on each other's case about things, and say mean things in an argument, but damned if anyone else is going to do that!

I thank you for your service to our country. however, yes there were 9/11 memorials in Paris, but there were also one's in Iran. Have you forgotten how much many European countries opposed the US in the UN and elsewhere in the lead up to the Iraq war. There has been a great deal of America bashing in Europe and I wonder how much of an ally they really are.

I can name equals and I can name nations that have arguably better militaries based on differing sets of what makes a military "good".
The ability to win wars makes a military great. There is no nation in the world that could defeat the US military.

The ability to win wars makes a military great. There is no nation in the world that could defeat the US military.

The Chinese could. All they'd have to do is move half their population over here, become American citizens, and force a communist government on us. :p

The US military would encounter difficulties fighting any modern military or any semi-modern military that forms the basis for a continental power, like Russia and China. Similarly, when you say that, keep in mind the fact that for half a decade, Germany managed to make advances against and then hold off (for a while, anyway) the militaries of three of the world's then most industrial nations.

I thank you for your service to our country. however, yes there were 9/11 memorials in Paris, but there were also one's in Iran. Have you forgotten how much many European countries opposed the US in the UN and elsewhere in the lead up to the Iraq war. There has been a great deal of America bashing in Europe and I wonder how much of an ally they really are.

You know what they say: "Friends don't let friends drink 'n' drive." Same goes for drink 'n' start wars ;)

name one better
North Korea.

North Korea.
Oh god, please tell me your joking:headbang:

You know what they say: "Friends don't let friends drink 'n' drive." Same goes for drink 'n' start wars ;)
Friends dont prevent friends from protecting themselves and their interests.

Oh god, please tell me your joking:headbang:

Well, the North Koreans do have a larger military than we do, in terms of manpower. And you'll note that while we invaded Iraq because they might have nukes, we didn't invade North Korea when we knew they had nukes.

Well, the North Koreans do have a larger military than we do, in terms of manpower. And you'll note that while we invaded Iraq because they might have nukes, we didn't invade North Korea when we knew they had nukes.
They wouldnt stand a chance

They wouldnt stand a chance
Your naive if you think the US would have an easy chance against NK.

They wouldnt stand a chance

When North Korea uses their nukes we'll see where everyone stands. :eek:

The ability to win wars makes a military great.

Then bow down to Vietnam.

Then bow down to Vietnam.

XD

Vietnam pwns! They beat the Chinese, the Mongols, the Japanese, the French, and the US!

XD

Vietnam pwns! They beat the Chinese, the Mongols, the Japanese, the French, and the US!
You realize the Vietnam lost EVERY SINGLE BATTLE!?!?! They lost everytime. It was because of those stupid hippie peace freaks that we lost the war.:headbang:

You realize the Vietnam lost EVERY SINGLE BATTLE!?!?! They lost everytime. It was because of those stupid hippie peace freaks that we lost the war.:headbang:

Winning a war, does not requie that you win the battles mate.

"Conquered, we conquer" isn't just a phrase, it works. Where a war is percieved as unjust or unmerited by enough of the population they can force a retreat. Vietnam was an unjust war and percieed as such by enough of the US population and so you lost the war.

When North Korea uses their nukes we'll see where everyone stands. :eek:

Even if they do, they only have like 3 or 4, we have 3 or 4000. I think we'd win that one.

Even if they do, they only have like 3 or 4, we have 3 or 4000. I think we'd win that one.

I fear for Seoul. But not for Seatle...

Friends dont prevent friends from protecting themselves and their interests.

If those friends saw that what their friends wanted to do was not actually protecting them nor in their interests, then they are good friends when they speek up. Even if they only meet denial, scorn and ridicule - even after it is proven that they were right to try to stop their friends in the first place.

(And if this way of discussing is taken further, I forsee a lot of misunderstandings in our futures...)

Well, the North Koreans do have a larger military than we do, in terms of manpower. And you'll note that while we invaded Iraq because they might have nukes, we didn't invade North Korea when we knew they had nukes.

Manpower doesn't win wars. Saddam had the fourth largest military in the world in manpower terms, and it literally collapsed in the first Gulf War. The same would probably happen with North Korea, although even if it didn't we'd still win if we were committed.

"Conquered, we conquer" isn't just a phrase, it works. Where a war is percieved as unjust or unmerited by enough of the population they can force a retreat. Vietnam was an unjust war and percieed as such by enough of the US population and so you lost the war.

A lot of the losses in Vietnam came from politicians running the war, which resulted in high casualties, high costs, and little or no progress. As a result, it is obvious why public opinion turned against the war. Vietnam was lost by the politicians.

I live in America, and while I think it is a nice place to live, I strongly disagree with our governments decisions lately. As far as economic or military strength goes, it is true that we have the deadliest military in the world (technology-wise). However, we don't have the most nukes. Russia has the most (they just don't know where all of them are :rolleyes: ). Anyway, I don't really believe in war, but I pretty sure that we can expect one or two pretty soon. Iran or North Korea will probably be nvolved somehow. I guess I better start making my plans to move to a deserted island in the Pacific Ocean.

Even if they do, they only have like 3 or 4, we have 3 or 4000. I think we'd win that one.

NK probably isn't afraid to use nukes when threatened, however.

You realize the Vietnam lost EVERY SINGLE BATTLE!?!?! They lost everytime. It was because of those stupid hippie peace freaks that we lost the war.:headbang:

And the only thing the Vietnamese had to wait for us to do was withdraw. You do remember that part, doncha?

And we lost the war because in our "Vietnamization" of Vietnam, we supported every tin-pot dictator of Vietnam. There were what, five coups in the South Vietnamese government while we were there?

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!

If that 400 Billion thing is true, where is all the money going? We (America) are short on, armor, tanks, night-vision goggles and many other supplies, and we have spent 1.2 trillion dollars starting March where the hell is all the progress? The only thing we hear from the Bush Administration is "I can not comment on an ongoing investigation." and "We are making progress in Iraq." Yes the Iraqi constitution was ratified but we've heard nothing about Iraq's "progress" since than, where the hell is the exit strategy? Don't you think for your self? The Bush speeches Have a pattern

"9/11, Terror (or "terr"), Freedom, terr, 9/11, 9/11, terr, God Bless America"

That's it.

Hurricane Katrina another one of Bush's incompetent cronies, Michael Brown, fucked up.

That whole Libby scandal.

And the Democrats are no better, what did they have for the State of The Union? "We have a better way", with that guy that kept cocking his eyebrow that guy kept using. He looked like a someone who should be speaking for cult in his Tranquil, yet apathetic why of speaking. The Democrats don't say Where's the Healthcare, why aren't you improving FEMA, When will we be out of Iraq, What happened to "Separation of Church and State"? It's the god damn oppisition party, Do something, It's not like they don't have their work cut out already with all the shit this adminastration gives us. They don't ask questions that matter "Were you only making Gay Marriage an issue because it's an election year?", but we get "We have a better way."

With the Republicans corrupted and the Democrats spineless, and no decent leaders for us in the foreseeable future what are you so happy about, ok?

With these many problems people should be asking questions and congress should answer them with legislation instead we get these bullshit politicians. No matter how many (and they are few) things my country, America is doing right (and they are few) can't ignore these issues, yet you choose. And the government spying on our fucking phones, howcan feel comfortable with any of this. you can't put your head in the sand.

PS
Even if they do, they only have like 3 or 4, we have 3 or 4000. I think we'd win that one.

As long as you're not getting nuked it all works out right? Fuck you I hope your house is first nuked when we go to war to North Korea.

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If by "Libby" you mean "Libby, Montana", then you sir, win a cookie!

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!
Ignorant Idiot.... I cant believe im hearing this... AMERICA... good.... big economy: caused by the exploitatation of third world countries, 400 billion dollars spent on military while 40000 american children suffer from starvation, and more nukes!! Freedom to do what.. thy will curb stop thy neighbour for a dollar, thy will support a government that murders 20,000 innocent Iraqi CIVILIANS for money... AMERICA is a haven for the rich white man.... I needs to be destroyed! FREE THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND LONG LIVE THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION!

If by "Libby" you mean "Libby, Montana", then you sir, win a cookie!

Exactly what I was going for :).

Ignorant Idiot.... I cant believe im hearing this... AMERICA... good.... big economy: caused by the exploitatation of third world countries, 400 billion dollars spent on military while 40000 american children suffer from starvation, and more nukes!! Freedom to do what.. thy will curb stop thy neighbour for a dollar, thy will support a government that murders 20,000 innocent Iraqi CIVILIANS for money... AMERICA is a haven for the rich white man.... I needs to be destroyed! FREE THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND LONG LIVE THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION!

Yeah....the Communists never oppressed anyone. I give you C+ for use of caps at the end...if only you would have said "TEH COMMUNIST REVOLUTION"...

Yeah....the Communists never oppressed anyone. I give you C+ for use of caps at the end...if only you would have said "TEH COMMUNIST REVOLUTION"...
True communist governments have never existed... and dont argue it if you havnt read the communist manifesto, I hate how people always jump to conclusions for communists, the USSR stereotyping is typical, most communists dont even support it. Communism is about love for your fellow man, unlike the capitalist system of everyone for themselves. Its cooperation or competition.. and I support cooperation:upyours:

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I needs to be destroyed!
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Yes. Yes, you do needs to be destroyed.

True communist governments have never existed... and dont argue it if you havnt read the communist manifesto, I hate how people always jump to conclusions for communists, the USSR stereotyping is typical, most communists dont even support it. Communism is about love for your fellow man, unlike the capitalist system of everyone for themselves. Its cooperation or competition.. and I support cooperation:upyours:

The problem is, for Communism to work it would require a very small population allocated as efficently as possible. Otherwise, you'll always get a state-run oligarchy like most "Communist" states; barring a massive change in human nature, competition will always exist alongside cooperation.

The problem is, for Communism to work it would require a very small population allocated as efficently as possible. Otherwise, you'll always get a state-run oligarchy like most "Communist" states; barring a massive change in human nature, competition will always exist alongside cooperation.

Socialism is the best way to go, in my opinion. It gives people things they need like Healthcare, for free, with still a free market, and It would be less likely to take your pention away, unlike some certain companies. I'm looking at you Verizon.

The problem is, for Communism to work it would require a very small population allocated as efficently as possible. Otherwise, you'll always get a state-run oligarchy like most "Communist" states; barring a massive change in human nature, competition will always exist alongside cooperation.
human nature, economy is not nature, the economy was created by man so it can be changed by man.

Ignorant Idiot.... I cant believe im hearing this... AMERICA... good.... big economy: caused by the exploitatation of third world countries, 400 billion dollars spent on military while 40000 american children suffer from starvation, and more nukes!! Freedom to do what.. thy will curb stop thy neighbour for a dollar, thy will support a government that murders 20,000 innocent Iraqi CIVILIANS for money... AMERICA is a haven for the rich white man.... I needs to be destroyed! FREE THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND LONG LIVE THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION!

Communism, is too classist. Also need for improvement and quality stop, Improve dies without competion, as does quality.

human nature, economy is not nature, the economy was created by man so it can be changed by man.

The economy is, tehnically, natural. Freedom comes with being sentience, and as long as we have that the right to of choice will always be something that shouldn't be messed with.

True communist governments have never existed... and dont argue it if you havnt read the communist manifesto, I hate how people always jump to conclusions for communists, the USSR stereotyping is typical, most communists dont even support it. Communism is about love for your fellow man, unlike the capitalist system of everyone for themselves. Its cooperation or competition.. and I support cooperation:upyours:

Communism also, in the forms of government it's been used for is totalitarian, Cuba, North Korea, Former USSR and North Vietnam, none of those countries are or were (with the exclusion of Russia) major world powers, and none were conomically strong, Communism is a failed experiment.

You might just be ignorant about how the world works, no offense. Theres alot that goes that you dont know about, its better that way. that spy thing should never been made public, we keep handing the terrorists our playbook, and we are gonna get burned. Also those bad people do not have the right to freedom as they are(in most cases) not US citizens.

Let's clarify a couple of things: 1) UN Ambassadorship, you have quite a knack for sounding arrogant. I am sure that in person you are a refined and respectful person, but the word for the way you are coming across doesn't belong in a forum like this. 2) For all of you patriots who live anyplace besides New York, New Jersey, Washington DC/suburban Maryland & Virginia, and Los Angeles, and who feel so threatened by the spectre of terrorism, and support the undeniable subversion of the constitution that has taken place since 9/11 - GET REAL! 3000 people died in these limited attacks by a small band of religious whackos! How many people since then have died in car accidents? Industrial accidents? From diseases of poverty? From reactions to properly and improperly prescribed medications, over-the-counter medications, hospital accidents? From gunshot wounds?

I'm not saying we shouldn't have a military, but this country's policies were misguided before the Bush regime - now they are just plain hallucinatory, and the most militant macho national security zealots are in fact simpering, trembling-kneed wimps. If you are so concerned about US military dominance, quit your desk job and go fight in Iraq!:sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :headbang:

Utterly abhor the entire nation, omitting New York, and possibly San Francisco, however the remainder of the nation personifies a myriad of facets of life I utterly loathe, and, upon a more human, personal note, having travelled copast to coast, the sheer extent of the USA is a fact I find a tad unsettling, as is the relative lack of erudition.

So basically, you appreciate the liberal cities, but not the conservative cities. Great thing about America. You can voice your opinion, it's encouraged that you do so, and if someone else doesn't like it, they just have to deal with it. Myriad of facets of life...:rolleyes: Like what, us being ourselves and living how we want to live? Sorry that we don't live up to the standards of the Queen.

Let's clarify a couple of things: 1) UN Ambassadorship, you have quite a knack for sounding arrogant. I am sure that in person you are a refined and respectful person, but the word for the way you are coming across doesn't belong in a forum like this. 2) For all of you patriots who live anyplace besides New York, New Jersey, Washington DC/suburban Maryland & Virginia, and Los Angeles, and who feel so threatened by the spectre of terrorism, and support the undeniable subversion of the constitution that has taken place since 9/11 - GET REAL! 3000 people died in these limited attacks by a small band of religious whackos! How many people since then have died in car accidents? Industrial accidents? From diseases of poverty? From reactions to properly and improperly prescribed medications, over-the-counter medications, hospital accidents? From gunshot wounds?

What kind of "undeniable subversion" of the Constitution are you talking about?

I guess I can ask, since I live in Northern Virgina.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have a military, but this country's policies were misguided before the Bush regime - now they are just plain hallucinatory, and the most militant macho national security zealots are in fact simpering, trembling-kneed wimps. If you are so concerned about US military dominance, quit your desk job and go fight in Iraq!:sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :headbang:

Let's clarify a couple of things: 1) UN Ambassadorship, you have quite a knack for sounding arrogant. I am sure that in person you are a refined and respectful person, but the word for the way you are coming across doesn't belong in a forum like this. 2) For all of you patriots who live anyplace besides New York, New Jersey, Washington DC/suburban Maryland & Virginia, and Los Angeles, and who feel so threatened by the spectre of terrorism, and support the undeniable subversion of the constitution that has taken place since 9/11 - GET REAL! 3000 people died in these limited attacks by a small band of religious whackos! How many people since then have died in car accidents? Industrial accidents? From diseases of poverty? From reactions to properly and improperly prescribed medications, over-the-counter medications, hospital accidents? From gunshot wounds?

I'm not saying we shouldn't have a military, but this country's policies were misguided before the Bush regime - now they are just plain hallucinatory, and the most militant macho national security zealots are in fact simpering, trembling-kneed wimps. If you are so concerned about US military dominance, quit your desk job and go fight in Iraq!:sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :headbang:The reason why there haven't been any attacks on the US is because Bush has been spying on them, plus he has passed many national security intiatives. He is staying on the offensive by bringing the fight to the terrorists. All of the terrorists are trying to stop the US from saving Iraq. Bush's administration is protecting you right now even has you play NS.:)

So be a little thankful.:cool:

The reason why there haven't been any attacks on the US is because Bush has been spying on them, plus he has passed many national security intiatives. He is staying on the offensive by bringing the fight to the terrorists. All of the terrorists are trying to stop the US from saving Iraq. Bush's administration is protecting you right now even has you play NS.:)

So be a little thankful.:cool:
It reminds me of a Simpson's episode:

Homer: ah! not a bear in sight. The bear patrol must be working like a charm.

Lisa: That's specious reasoning dad. By that same logic, you could say that this rock keeps the tigers away.

Homer: hmm... how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn't. It's just a stupid rock. But you don't see any tigers around do you?

Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your magic rock.

(Copyright: The Simpsons, Fox.)

So, Nomorra, have I got a deal for you. I've got a pen that repels terrorist attacks. You can TG for the price.

Ignorant Idiot.... I cant believe im hearing this... AMERICA... good.... big economy: caused by the exploitatation of third world countries, 400 billion dollars spent on military while 40000 american children suffer from starvation, and more nukes!! Freedom to do what.. thy will curb stop thy neighbour for a dollar, thy will support a government that murders 20,000 innocent Iraqi CIVILIANS for money... AMERICA is a haven for the rich white man.... I needs to be destroyed! FREE THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND LONG LIVE THE COMMUNIST REVOLUTION!

Your right, you do need to be destroyed, are you crazy? seriously. Our people arent oppressed, they are some of the most free, well off people in the world. Thats thanks to capitalism, not communism. Just so you know, communism dead we defeated that foe, just like we defeat every enemy. So why dont you jump on the democratic capitalist society train, its the wave of the future.....

It reminds me of a Simpson's episode:

Homer: ah! not a bear in sight. The bear patrol must be working like a charm.

Lisa: That's specious reasoning dad. By that same logic, you could say that this rock keeps the tigers away.

Homer: hmm... how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn't. It's just a stupid rock. But you don't see any tigers around do you?

Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your magic rock.

(Copyright: The Simpsons, Fox.)

So, Nomorra, have I got a deal for you. I've got a pen that repels terrorist attacks. You can TG for the price.

Pens dont protect you, a sound military policy abroad and using our sercurity agencies at home to prevent attacks do, if you cant see that, wow. :confused:

And I see this thread getting dumber and dumber and dumber...

Sir! the IQ rate in this thread is steadily falling, what do we do?

Abandon ship! Abandon ship!

And I see this thread getting dumber and dumber and dumber...

Sir! the IQ rate in this thread is steadily falling, what do we do?

Abandon ship! Abandon ship!

There's still room in the lifeboat... and I can tell you, it's fun watching it all from a safe distance. It's a bit like "The three Stooges meet the Looney Toons"...

Pens dont protect you, a sound military policy abroad and using our sercurity agencies at home to prevent attacks do, if you cant see that, wow. :confused:

Ah. That must be why Liechtenstein wasn't attacked, then, right?

Pens dont protect you, a sound military policy abroad and using our sercurity agencies at home to prevent attacks do, if you cant see that, wow. :confused:
You ever heard of sarcasm?

And why didn't you attack Saudi Arabia? The terrorists who attacked the twin towers came from there-not Iraq. Oh, wait a second! They give you oil and you keep up there corrupt royal familly, thats right. While Iraq didn't do what you wanted.

2) For all of you patriots who live anyplace besides New York, New Jersey, Washington DC/suburban Maryland & Virginia, and Los Angeles, and who feel so threatened by the spectre of terrorism, and support the undeniable subversion of the constitution that has taken place since 9/11 - GET REAL! 3000 people died in these limited attacks by a small band of religious whackos! How many people since then have died in car accidents? Industrial accidents? From diseases of poverty? From reactions to properly and improperly prescribed medications, over-the-counter medications, hospital accidents? From gunshot wounds? all at once? or all together. if you counting every incident and lumping them together... then let's not forget the bombing of the Yemen, all the suicide bombings of not only US Embassies, but also all the bombings in Iraq done by insurgents. Then add in the factor that these bombings and other terrorist acts are not accidents (such as car crash fatalities, accidental mis-dosages, industrial accidents) not the whim of nature (natrual catastrophies, disease, viruses) and definately done with the intent to do harm. so what are you left with for comparasion?
cancer from smoking? probably.
Gunshot wounds? sure.
Improperly prescribed medicine? maybe.
Poverty? deliberate? up to you.
Now add to the fact that for most of your examples, one can sue or get legal reparations.
can one do the same to a terrorist group?

There's still room in the lifeboat... and I can tell you, it's fun watching it all from a safe distance. It's a bit like "The three Stooges meet the Looney Toons"...

Yeah... and on top of that, it makes me feel smart!

I felt like making a post about all the good America does. We have the biggest and best economy with by far the biggest GDP of any country. We the strongest military and we spend 400 billion dollars a year on it(I think it should be more) and have over 3,000 nukes(should be more). We also have alot of freedom and a great quality of life. Our entertainment is the best in world and alot of people want to be like us. God bless America!


It's sad that you feel a need to assert your patriotism. There is nothing wrong with loving ones country, but to blindly post why your country is 'better' ironically makes you one of the worst things about America.

Are you talking about the continent or about USA?.

America is the name of the continent!.

Oh goody, I love to engage in a bit of America bashing
There are so many fundamental faults with the USA,

You are too reliant on oil

You are the worlds bully

You have a state and church which are too intwined

You are a capitalist exploiter of the worlds poor

You are ignorant that other nations exist except the ones you invade

You have to have British sitcoms watered down as they are too funy for you

You are too obsessed with celebrities

You envoke freedom of speech only when it suits you to do so

Many of you are racist, and more are religious bigots

You can't help your own people (New Orleans)

Let it die! Let a new thread arise from its ashes, but let it die!

I have a bad feeling about posting in here, but oh, well.

UN ambassadorship, sometimes i just wish i wasn't born here, because of being put in the same category as ill informed and misled people like yourself. that may sound harsh, but has anyone said anything in this thread that impacted you at all? and true, there are a few people that are going a little overboard on the other side of this "discussion", but have you so easily dismissed everything everyone said just because it conflicts with your opinion of this country we happen to be living in? (and yes i'm an american too, but not that proud of it at the moment)

:confused:

I like the American COuntry, because it has a nice climate, HOWEVER, I HAVE TO SAY THIS, YOUR STUPID GOVERNMENT KILLED 100 OF OUR BRITISH SOLDIERS, AFTERALL MY PRIMWMINISTER DID SIGN THEM OVER TO YOUR STUPID PRESIDENT BUSH AND HE HAS KILLED THEM!
OH AND BY THE WAY, THE TRUTH FOR INVADING IRAQ IS AS FOLLOWS, THE EURO WAS ALMOST BEATING THE DOLLAR AND THE BEST WAY FOR YOUR COUNTRY WAS TO GET OIL AND FIX THE ECONOMY! DON'T SAY THIS IS A LIE, IT ISN'T. IT WAS A DOCUMENTARY AND ACTUAL CIA AGENTS WERE ON IT. So yes The land of AMerica is nice, but you desperatley need a new government before it destroys the country.

Comrade Premier of the Empire of Extremist Communism.

PS: Your stockpile of nukes is around a couple of hundred, maybe less.

Yes! Another Brit who is just pi**ed off with rotton old Uncle Sam

I have a bad feeling about posting in here, but oh, well.

UN ambassadorship, sometimes i just wish i wasn't born here, because of being put in the same category as ill informed and misled people like yourself. that may sound harsh, but has anyone said anything in this thread that impacted you at all? and true, there are a few people that are going a little overboard on the other side of this "discussion", but have you so easily dismissed everything everyone said just because it conflicts with your opinion of this country we happen to be living in? (and yes i'm an american too, but not that proud of it at the moment)

Ditto

Honestly i hate being put in the same group as stupid people, ignorant people, racists. But what i hate most of all is super patroits (Ignorant people who think their country is the best thing in the world and is better than anything else). I also hate the ignorant, corrupt s**theads who run the US.

Well, they call Iraq a democracy. Compare-

-BEFORE 2003: As long as you keep your head down, you are fine.
-AFTER 2003: Fear of being blown up when you go to the shops.

Agree with the New Orleans comment, your administration should really get their backsides in gear faster next time.

And just because you have nuclear weapons and waste massive amounts on your military does NOT mean you can invade other countries and impose your ways on them. In fact, I would bet a good deal that one of our SAS guys could get in, murder the President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and get back out again in 6 hours without anyone noticing.

Oh, and it makes three countries you have almost destroyed since the millenium. Afghanistan, Iraq and Tuvalu, a tiny Pacific chain of islands which is in danger of being submerged because of the American's callous attitude to the environment.

I know a good few Americans, and not one of them would have voted for Bush. I am *almost* certain he twiddled those election results...

I thank you for your service to our country. however, yes there were 9/11 memorials in Paris, but there were also one's in Iran. Have you forgotten how much many European countries opposed the US in the UN and elsewhere in the lead up to the Iraq war. There has been a great deal of America bashing in Europe and I wonder how much of an ally they really are.

If your best friend voted for Kerry, and you voted for Bush, would he still be your best friend? How many European countries went in with us in Afghanistan? So they disagree with us on Iraq. I can't say I agree with the war, due to the way it's being run myself. That doesn't mean I love my country any less, or care about any other country more. You can't preach free speech, then get mad when an ally exercises free speach. They don't agree, big deal. When it comes down to it, Europe will back us if something happens. I don't doubt that the French would be knocking on our door, guns in hand, if someone were to try to invade the US. I may not like how the French government reacts to us, and I may not like how the French people made a book about how the US Government orchestrated 9/11, but the fact is, the French people are allies. You point to Iraq, I point to Afghanistan.

I like the American COuntry, because it has a nice climate, HOWEVER, I HAVE TO SAY THIS, YOUR STUPID GOVERNMENT KILLED 100 OF OUR BRITISH SOLDIERS, AFTERALL MY PRIMWMINISTER DID SIGN THEM OVER TO YOUR STUPID PRESIDENT BUSH AND HE HAS KILLED THEM!
OH AND BY THE WAY, THE TRUTH FOR INVADING IRAQ IS AS FOLLOWS, THE EURO WAS ALMOST BEATING THE DOLLAR AND THE BEST WAY FOR YOUR COUNTRY WAS TO GET OIL AND FIX THE ECONOMY! DON'T SAY THIS IS A LIE, IT ISN'T. IT WAS A DOCUMENTARY AND ACTUAL CIA AGENTS WERE ON IT. So yes The land of AMerica is nice, but you desperatley need a new government before it destroys the country.

Comrade Premier of the Empire of Extremist Communism.

PS: Your stockpile of nukes is around a couple of hundred, maybe less.

Ok. You got us. You're right. We got those 100 soldiers, and we immediatly had them executed for postarity sake. It was to get back at Montgomery for killing so many Americans during World War II.

P.S. You're an idiot and have no facts to back anything up. Please don't post until you can actually prove that the United States purposely and willfully set out to get those 100 British troops killed. :rolleyes:

Well, they call Iraq a democracy. Compare-

-BEFORE 2003: As long as you keep your head down, you are fine.
-AFTER 2003: Fear of being blown up when you go to the shops.

Agree with the New Orleans comment, your administration should really get their backsides in gear faster next time.

And just because you have nuclear weapons and waste massive amounts on your military does NOT mean you can invade other countries and impose your ways on them. In fact, I would bet a good deal that one of our SAS guys could get in, murder the President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and get back out again in 6 hours without anyone noticing.

Oh, and it makes three countries you have almost destroyed since the millenium. Afghanistan, Iraq and Tuvalu, a tiny Pacific chain of islands which is in danger of being submerged because of the American's callous attitude to the environment.

I know a good few Americans, and not one of them would have voted for Bush. I am *almost* certain he twiddled those election results...


Ok..so let me get this straight. America is the SOLE reason for the environment being in trouble. :rolleyes: Afghanistan: Yeah, cause Bin Laden (the guy who threw those three planes at us, remember?) was hiding there. In case you missed it, most of Europe went in there with us, as well as the UN and it was with the UN's blessing. Iraq, shoudln't have went there, 200k in a mass grave doesn't warrant that. Iraq will become a viable democracy on it's own two feet. Maybe the government went in there for oil, but, if you will KINDLY look at the big picture, you'll see the people will be better off in the long run. Also, stop believing the sensationalist news reports please. Of course the Triangle is still dangerous, yet I know about 20 people over there in other areas that say most times they don't even worry about body armor. You want the war over? So do I. How do we do it? By treating it like a real war. This pansy "oh, be careful of the mosques they are shooting at us from" is bs. Shoot from a mosque, get shot back at while you are in the mosque. Anyway, while I don't agree with Iraq, or how it's run, the fact is we are there, we did what we did, and now we have to clean up our mess. If we pulled out tomorrow, you'd all complain about that too.

BTW, in response to this..

"In fact, I would bet a good deal that one of our SAS guys could get in, murder the President and the Joint Chiefs of Staff and get back out again in 6 hours without anyone noticing."

I bet not.

Also, to the "America is the world's bully" comment that I keep seeing. Funny how that wasn't how we were looked at during the Cold War. Also funny how that isn't how we are looked at when someone needs help. What's even more amusing is how Bono wants the US to donate 1% of OUR budget to the WORLD's poor.

i don't know enough about this incident to offer an opinion, however, i don't think bush would intentionally get those british troops killed, but they might have been victims of his stupidly. (note: this is just a half baked theory based on what was said, i have almost a total lack of knowledge on this subject)

The only real beef I have is with the tiny percentage of Americans who makes threads saying "OMFG MY COUNTRY IS SO GREAT!!"

The only real beef I have is with the tiny percentage of Americans who makes threads saying "OMFG MY COUNTRY IS SO GREAT!!"

Eh, we are Americans, and the younger we are, the more brash we tend to be. Until I dated a malaysian, and am now dating a Canadian I was the same way. However, it's something we, as Americans, just need to realize other countries do not understand about us. Canadians are now starting to play their National Anthem in school, etc. So Canada may very well be on our level soon. As I said, there isn't an American in the world that wouldn't jump to the defense or aide of Europe. If there are Americans that wouldn't help Europe, they aren't true Americans.

i'm only 22, and for all i know i was always like this. oh, and stupidity really rubs me the wrong way. funny, that's what causes my beef with bush i suppose.

---edit
well, i guess i should excuse a few people for stupidity, because some people don't have a choice with how the media is run in this country.

Ok. You got us. You're right. We got those 100 soldiers, and we immediatly had them executed for postarity sake. It was to get back at Montgomery for killing so many Americans during World War II.

P.S. You're an idiot and have no facts to back anything up. Please don't post until you can actually prove that the United States purposely and willfully set out to get those 100 British troops killed. :rolleyes:

I do have enough facts here; When Your President (you know that Pr**k) got our troops, it was suprising that American 'friendly fire' killed more than half of those 101 troops killed. Howcome your SAM missiles took out 2 of our helicopters, since when did Iraqi people have helicopters? I suppose that Bush never allowed the media to say this, afterall, he probably censors the media and also fixes elections. I have to say this, but it's idiots like you (Azareth) who vote for the stupidist guy in the world. Did you know there's a book over here with all the stupid quotes Bush has said? Your country is hardly powerful, any country could take you out, Africa even has Nuclear missiles that could blow you up.
So the next time you want to annoy me, make sure YOU can properly back up a decent arguement.

Don't post anything again, your just too dim (like Bush and other Americans like you) to back up an arguement.

The Empire of Extremist Communism.

I do have enough facts here; When Your President (you know that Pr**k) got our troops, it was suprising that American 'friendly fire' killed more than half of those 101 troops killed. Howcome your SAM missiles took out 2 of our helicopters, since when did Iraqi people have helicopters? I suppose that Bush never allowed the media to say this, afterall, he probably censors the media and also fixes elections. I have to say this, but it's idiots like you (Azareth) who vote for the stupidist guy in the world. Did you know there's a book over here with all the stupid quotes Bush has said? Your country is hardly powerful, any country could take you out, Africa even has Nuclear missiles that could blow you up.
So the next time you want to annoy me, make sure YOU can properly back up a decent arguement.

OMG. Ok, all Americans, the British are on to us! Let's stop concealing it now. Pull the troops out of Iraq, send them right to Great Britain. No sense goofing around with it now. Oh, by the way, this whole Iraq thing is a cover up. Since you found it out, we will now release Saddam back into power, and the deal we made, was they get England, we get oil.

BTW, it wasn't a decent argument you made, so there was no point in backing it up. You're speculating and have yet to provide FACTS that the President ordered their deaths. I'm still waiting on hard facts from you to even consider taking your conspiracy theory seriously.

Don't post anything again, your just too dim (like Bush and other Americans like you) to back up an arguement.

The Empire of Extremist Communism.

I'm dim? LOL. I'm dim, yet YOU are the one saying George Bush killed 100 British soldiers. I'd like to see his fingerprints on the gun as well, please. You OBVIOUSLY are royalty. The inbreeding shows.

Man..I always thought the British were intelligent, reasonable people. Apparently you have idiots as well.

As a brit I have to say i'm ashamed of this guy, he's not even coherent or paragraphing properly.

I do have enough facts here; When Your President (you know that Pr**k) got our troops
actually the British still controled our troops, it was Blairs decision to send BRITISH troops into Iraq-not Bushes. As much as I hate the shrub don't blame him for somthing he didn't do.
, it was suprising that American 'friendly fire' killed more than half of those 101 troops killed. Howcome your SAM missiles took out 2 of our helicopters, since when did Iraqi people have helicopters?
The Helecopters crashed when they hit each othera mid-air collisian, not a American action.
I suppose that Bush never allowed the media to say this, afterall, he probably censors the media and also fixes elections.
No doubt the first election (Florida) was fixed by his brother. But he won the second one fair and square. And he dosn't censor the media, watch CNN and you'll see that.
I have to say this, but it's idiots like you (Azareth) who vote for the stupidist guy in the world.
Thats a bit far, he has a below average IQ but he's not an 'the stupidist guy in the world'. Plenty of intellagent people voted for him as well. I wouldn't vote for him, but if people balive what he balives then why shouldn't they. it's called DEMOCRACY
Did you know there's a book over here with all the stupid quotes Bush has said?
Yep, Bushisms.
Your country is hardly powerful, any country could take you out, Africa even has Nuclear missiles that could blow you up.
No coutnry in Africa has nukes, in fact only a few do. Even fewer have ICBM's which is what would be needed to hit America. In fact there no country with nukes that can hit America right now.

So the next time you want to annoy me, make sure YOU can properly back up a decent arguement.
Next time you post make sure YOU can come up with a decent argument, not a load of opinionated rubbish.

Don't post anything again, your just too dim (like Bush and other Americans like you) to back up an arguement.
Don't post again, your just too dim (Like Bush and other idiots before you) to abck up an argument.

Where do I begin?

Okay, you lot have been on the offensive of 'dangerous' Islamic states with nukes - yet your country itself is on the way to becoming a Christian state with even MORE nukes.

You swore blind that there would not be a repeat of the Iraq war in Iran, but now what's happening?

Every excuse you had for invading Iraq in the first place has turned sour now that you have the oil.

You have a president who got a huge percentage of his votes based on his religious policies alone.

You use religion to slow and even reverse huge advances in human rights and freedoms, and yet you DARE to call yourself the 'land of the free'.

You all turned against France simply because they did NOT want to participate in a war which they didn't agree with, which I believe was THEIR choice to make and not yours, their 'freedom' if you will.

You have a ridiculous reliance on oil and show very little progress in the way of renewable fuels, ignoring the fact that the oil WILL run out.

Environmental attitudes are, at best, laughable. Drilling for oil in ALASKA?

You go on and on about supporting the troops in their quest for oil, yet slap yellow ribbons on your SUVs which, as monstrous gas-guzzlers, are part of the reason that they are in the East wasting their lives.

You bully the rest of the world as you try and force them to see things your way.

The whole thing about trying to teach Christanity in the Science classroom. Face it, religion is not science. Science involves the search for a non-supernatural explanation for things - God is a contradiction of that.

You dragged us, Britain, into a war that the vast majority of us didn't want. If I remember correctly, there was huge opposition to it in your country too. Why?

You believe that, because something is right for you, it must be made so for everyone, regardless of wat they think.

You have the strongest military. Which you use against anyone who says you are wrong. You have spent a huge amount of money on it and have thus neglected to adress some serious social issues on your own soil, such as inner city education, health benefits... some of the conditions that some of your OWN PEOPLE are living in could be likened to those of the Third World, and yet you are the richest nation out there.

3000 nukes? Are you going to use those? To, say destroy everything? No matter who they're used on, the effects will get back to you and have serious consequences for the country you love so dearly.
If you're not going to use them, why have so many? 3000 is an already intimidating number, but hell, so is 200. If they're to be used as a deterrent, then you won't need all the surplus - to use them would spell disaster for you as well as your enemies.

A lot of freedom? For who, everyone or just the religious? I've noticed a lot of things that atheists enjoy being taken away because it disagrees with a religion. But if the atheists were to do the same, public outcry! It's sectarianism!

On the reverse of that, all public displays of religion at Christmas (the very name of which is Christian) aren't allowed in a ridiculous display of political correctness. Yes, it can be celebrated by all. But it's still got Christian (or, before that, pagan) roots. Why forget that in public?

No doubt the first election (Florida) was fixed by his brother. But he won the second one fair and square. And he dosn't censor the media, watch CNN and you'll see that.
Point of order: in which election did Bush got handed a whole state by DieBold voting machines? One could say he stole both elections.

But since you are correcting someone who badly need a correction, I'll let it slip :D

Point of order: in which election did Bush got handed a whole state by DieBold voting machines? One could say he stole both elections.

But since you are correcting someone who badly need a correction, I'll let it slip :D
You could say that. Persoanlly removing thousands of Democrat supports from the Electrol regester is a bigger crime.