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Oh pulease, I was stuck on an aircraft in cattle class with a huge guy who took up two seats, and all he did for the flight to the US was eat, drink, fart and generally make a damn disburbance everytime he needed to go to the john.And..? I was stuck on a flight from San Francisco to London (10 - 11 hours) beside a really thin bloke who exhibited exactly the same behaviour, save for the two seats. It's not pleasant whoever it is, but I travel a lot and have had as many slim as fat people sticking their elbows into me, shifting about so as I feel it etc. And they can actually help it!

If you took the time, I emphasised it was *part* of the problem.Right, but nevertheless, it really is a generalisation. You specifically said there was no such thing as a happy fat person.

Oh, and people can be happy on the outside and still be misserable on the inside.Of course they can. I, however, was referring to myself and a good friend who, on the rare occasions she does get unhappy for whatever reason, is quite happy to discuss it (and it never relates to her weight). People I know quite well, you know?

I've never stopped to look at how many kalories something has before I eat it. Never ever. I used to be overweight, now I'm not, and the only thing that changed was going to secondry school. More sport; athletics, cricket and rugby mainly. I got in shape pretty quick. Now I sure don't mind taking my top of at the beach.

I would hate to be held down by kalories or whatever. Can't enjoy food that way. Always wondering if what your eating is too fatty. However, I understand many people are in this situation, my mother for one..


I have no idea of the reason for this post.. I should be sleeping.

You don't really need to look at the calories; just look at the amount and what type of food, and most people will have a fairly good guestimation of whether they're eating too much.

Of course they can. I, however, was referring to myself and a good friend who, on the rare occasions she does get unhappy for whatever reason, is quite happy to discuss it (and it never relates to her weight). People I know quite well, you know?

I guess it also depends on what one classifies as 'over weight' - there is a marked difference between a big woman and a fat one, just as there is a difference between a guy who just so happens to be a solid lad, and one that is a tub of lard.

Yeah, so basically you're OK with fraud and don't care if people with genuine handicaps are fucked over cuz of it. Damn and they call ME cold-hearted!

For once I second Santa Barbara. Fat people are fat people and they are fat becuase of their own laziness and stupidity.

No point in being PC about it. Modern society is getting fatter and we shouldn't just accept it.

Fat people take up more space - seats etc need to bigger wasting resources and space, obesity brings medical costs and fat is just ugly.

All this "we should accept everyone" stuff is bull. You don't accept criminals, we pass laws against smokers. Why not persecute those who by thier own virtue create problems in society.

Being someone who has struggled with their weight since childhood (I'm turning 14 now, and weigh about 150 lbs.), I just want to say it is true that one of the major factors of weight is yourself, although not the only one. My main problems, for instance, are a quite slow metabolism combined with chronic sinusitis, which clogs my airways, making it difficult to exercise. Still, it IS possible, and having maintained that weight for at least 6 months, even as I'm getting taller and going through puberty, means I AM losing. So, it does partially rest in the individual's hands. Still, I highly agree with Cabra that fat people don't deserve to be "constantly insulted by stupid arrogant idiots who deem themselves superior because they never had to go through all of this in the first place." I experiencd this, and I was only mild to moderately overweight. In fact, when I was about 6 or 7, some teenagers started teasing me as I was walking on a busy New York street with my Grandma. That still irks me greatly after all these years. It is true you should make an effort to lose weight, but nobody deserves to be treated like that.

No point in being PC about it. Modern society is getting fatter and we shouldn't just accept it.
Could call. Being PC will get no one anywhere.

For once I second Santa Barbara. Fat people are fat people and they are fat becuase of their own laziness and stupidity.

No point in being PC about it. Modern society is getting fatter and we shouldn't just accept it.

Fat people take up more space - seats etc need to bigger wasting resources and space, obesity brings medical costs and fat is just ugly.

All this "we should accept everyone" stuff is bull. You don't accept criminals, we pass laws against smokers. Why not persecute those who by thier own virtue create problems in society.

Round 'em up and shoot them all, cause I think they're ugly" is what you're saying? :rolleyes:

Oh, and btw, humanity is getting taller as well. Should we also get rid of all tall people, demanding mors space and wasting more resources?

Round 'em up and shoot them all, cause I think they're ugly" is what you're saying? :rolleyes:

Oh, and btw, humanity is getting taller as well. Should we also get rid of all tall people, demanding mors space and wasting more resources?
I don't really disagree with you.. Guess I'm somewhere in the middle.
But are the resources wasted by tall people quite in the same league as what would be wasted by overweight people?

I don't really disagree with you.. Guess I'm somewhere in the middle.
But are the resources wasted by tall people quite in the same league as would could by wasted by an overweight person?

It depends on how tall/how fat we are talking, really. The body mass can be the same.

It depends on how tall/how fat we are talking, really. The body mass can be the same.
But chances are, the amount wasted by an average fat person would be far larger than an average tall person.

All this "we should accept everyone" stuff is bull. You don't accept criminals, we pass laws against smokers. Why not persecute those who by thier own virtue create problems in society.We pass laws against criminals and smokers because they can directly cause harm to other members of their society. Obese people may take up extra space, but they rarely cause any tangible, serious harm to anyone but themselves simply because of their size.

However, I do agree on your point that an effort should be made to cut down on obesity as a collective phenomena - that could cause pretty much an entire society of people that could potentially be very ill. But that's because of health, rather than the mild annoyances that may be caused to others.

Let me preface this by saying that one of my parents has been struggling with weight issues for most of my life, so I know both sides of the story.

However, as a frequent traveler, I've got to say that my biggest pet peeve is grossly overweight individuals who buy a single seat for themselves on an airplane when they clearly require two seats. I've had large passengers virtually sitting on my lap, or had a man's arm jammed into my ear (I'm short) for a four hour flight because he was so fat he couldn't even put his arms down at his sides.

I pay for my tickets, and the seats are tiny enough as it is...if somebody is large enough that they take up space for two, then they should have to PAY for space for two. My ticket entitles me to a certain amount of room on the airplane, and I am disgusted with the selfishness of people who think they deserve to enjoy space they did not pay for. That's basically theft; they want to take something that I payed for, against my wishes, and then they add insult to injury by actingly like they are entitled to raise a stink if I object. Being fat should not make you the target of unfair discrimination, but it also should not give you the right to take what is not yours.

If those insanely fat people really want a tag, the way to do it properly would be to fucking brand it on their forehead with a glowing hot stick. Like they do with all the other cattle. Something like: I R TEH FAT burnt into their forehead. Then let them park on handicapped spots.

Fat genes and stuff is just bullshit.

According to my genetic composition I have a 35% extra chance over normal people to become obese.

And yes, I was obese. I weighed 105 kg, while perfect weight for me would be 78 kg. And right now I'm still overweight, with 85 kg. But I do try to lose weight, I do try to eat healthy and move. And the 20 kg I already lost only made it even better. I used to hate myself ... now I love myself.

If they choose to remain fat and ugly because they prefer their 10 kg steak every day and their keg of soda, and prefer to sit in their specially designed fatpeople-sofa instead of head outside, work out, or in another way improve their life, then they do not even deserve to be treated as normal people, and definately not better, like getting the best parking spots.

But chances are, the amount wasted by an average fat person would be far larger than an average tall person.
Just ignore shit like that, a bunch of false comparison jazz.
"Well, A has C and B has C, A and B must be exactly alike!"
Where A is a cat, B is a hampster, and C is fur.

And yes, I was obese. I weighed 105 kg, while perfect weight for me would be 78 kg. And right now I'm still overweight, with 85 kg. But I do try to lose weight, I do try to eat healthy and move. And the 20 kg I already lost only made it even better. I used to hate myself ... now I love myself.

Hmm.. 85kg isn't that overweight at all. A 16 year old from my school weighs around 140kg.

Hmm.. 85kg isn't that overweight at all. A 16 year old from my school weighs around 140kg.
*sigh* Anybody fancy doing some conversions, for those of us living in a country that still refuses to accept the metric system?

Just ignore shit like that, a bunch of false comparison jazz.
"Well, A has C and B has C, A and B must be exactly alike!"
Where A is a cat, B is a hampster, and C is fur.
Resources were brought up. Tall people were brought up. The comparison is inevitable.

*sigh* Anybody fancy doing some conversions, for those of us living in a country that still refuses to accept the metric system?
140kg=around 300lbs.. I think lol.

Lets not be too discriminatory about fat people. After all, the fate of the entire universe depends on them.

Clicky (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/chamber/61637)

Lets not be too discriminatory about fat people. After all, the fate of the entire universe depends on them.

Clicky (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/chamber/61637)

Simpleton University in Houston
Hehe. That's cool

140kg=around 300lbs.. I think lol.
Zounds, I totally should convert to metric. I would sound much skinnier.

Back on topic, though, I guess you also have to take height and build into account. For instance, for an average-height woman it would not be anything remarkable to be 150 pounds. For me, standing perhaps 5'2" if we feel generous, 150 pounds would make me quite overweight.

My mother is another good example: she's 4'11" tall. When she was pregnant she gained a perfectly normal amount of weight, but on her it looked so huge that people were asking if she was going to have twins.

1: Regular exercise (At least walking instead of driving up the road)
2: Healthy eating (sensible portions. Combinations also work)

Works for me. Can you get ANY simpler than that?

Fat disability? The number of genuine cases (if any) are likely to be vastly overshadowed by those who are just so frickin' lazy!

Zounds, I totally should convert to metric. I would sound much skinnier.

Back on topic, though, I guess you also have to take height and build into account. For instance, for an average-height woman it would not be anything remarkable to be 150 pounds. For me, standing perhaps 5'2" if we feel generous, 150 pounds would make me quite overweight.

My mother is another good example: she's 4'11" tall. When she was pregnant she gained a perfectly normal amount of weight, but on her it looked so huge that people were asking if she was going to have twins.
This 16yr old is about 5'10 I guess? The size of his calves are the size of my thighs. It's quite scary really.
I'm 72kg at 6'0. He's 140kg at 5'10. Hmm

1: Regular exercise (At least walking instead of driving up the road)
2: Healthy eating (sensible portions. Combinations also work)

Works for me. Can you get ANY simpler than that?

Fat disability? The number of genuine cases (if any) are likely to be vastly overshadowed by those who are just so frickin' lazy!

1. No car. I regard it as unnecessary luxury. And more than enough excercise besides just walking.
2. Very healthy eating. No fast food, and everything fresh. I did a calculation once and found I eat between 1500-1800 kalories a day. Most skinny people actually eat more than that.

And guess what? I'm still overweight. Because a lifestyle like that only makes sure that you keep the weight you once gained, it doesn't make you loose any.
To lose, I would have to cut down to below 1000 kalories a day, and give up reading altogether because I'd have to spend my free time excercising.... and that's just not worth it.

1: Regular exercise (At least walking instead of driving up the road)
2: Healthy eating (sensible portions. Combinations also work)

Works for me. Can you get ANY simpler than that?

Fat disability? The number of genuine cases (if any) are likely to be vastly overshadowed by those who are just so frickin' lazy!
I feel really bad for the people who actually do have real medical conditions that cause their obesity. I went to school with a girl who had a thyroid condition that was totally out of control...she was quite literally starving herself, even ending up in the hospital due to malnutrition, but she was simultaneously very obese. People like her are the ones really paying the price for the selfishness and gluttony of the fat-by-choice majority.

My boyfriend was recently concerned about (as he put it) "turning into a fat slob" as he got older. He's in great shape now, but he has seen too many people go from college atheletes to morbidly obese. So we went online and found a BMR calculator.

A BMR calculator, roughly speaking, estimates the amount of calories you will burn each day just by being alive; it estimates the energy needed to keep your heart beating, your lungs working, and the energy it will take for you to perform minimal physical tasks (like a little standing up and walking, some sitting, etc). You usually estimate your BMR by entering your height, weight, and gender, and sometimes they will also ask you to estimate your activity level.

It turns out that for my boyfriend (approximately 5'10" or 5'11") to be 300 pounds--which we agreed was a definite "fat" weight--he would have to consume about 3000 calories a day, and not exercise at all.

3000 calories PER DAY. What the hell are these people eating, that they are putting 3000 calories into their body every single day?! Gimme a break. And zero exercise? Are these people seriously trying to tell me that they don't have 15 minutes to do jumping jacks? They can't find time for 50 situps in one day?

This 16yr old is about 5'10 I guess? The size of his calves are the size of my thighs. It's quite scary really.
I'm 72kg at 6'0. He's 140kg at 5'10. Hmm
Okay, so yeah...that's pretty durn large.

It turns out that for my boyfriend (approximately 5'10" or 5'11") to be 300 pounds--which we agreed was a definite "fat" weight--he would have to consume about 3000 calories a day, and not exercise at all. 3000 calories PER DAY. What the hell are you eating, that you are putting 3000 calories into your body every single day?! Gimme a break.
Pretty much what the guy from my school is and that's huge. I think it's hard to go from being in good shape to being that large. He's always been massive, well, in the 3 years I've known him. They say Samoan's breed them big, but he wasn't helped by excessive fast food eating and next to no motivation.

Pretty much what the guy from my school is and that's huge. I think it's hard to go from being in good shape to being that large. He's always been massive, well, in the 3 years I've known him. They say Samoan's breed them big, but he wasn't helped by excessive fast food eating and next to no motivation.
Yeah, I grew up in Minnesota, where the Norse blood runs thick. Average height for Minnesotans is something like 6 inches taller than the national average. This means that I got used to seeing "big" people, and I tend to have a skewed perception of size now...to me, "average" size is 6' tall, 230 pounds. :)

you should slash Wal Mart's tires too
Why? I have yet to have anyone give me one good reason to dislike WalMart! The prices are low, the variety of food and other products is large, and the people are friendly. Sounds to me as though they're doing an excellent job. :confused:

Why? I have yet to have anyone give me one good reason to dislike WalMart! The prices are low, the variety of food and other products is large, and the people are friendly. Sounds to me as though they're doing an excellent job. :confused:
Work at Walmart for one month. You'll see what people are talking about.

Yeah, I grew up in Minnesota, where the Norse blood runs thick. Average height for Minnesotans is something like 6 inches taller than the national average. This means that I got used to seeing "big" people, and I tend to have a skewed perception of size now...to me, "average" size is 6' tall, 230 pounds. :)
Well I'm 6' but only 159lbs lol. Bit of a difference there.

Well I'm 6' but only 159lbs lol. Bit of a difference there.
Yeah, again, that's the Norse build...freaking Vikings. They're just bloody HUGE.

I told her just today that I am really pissed off that she uses it, and she gave me the "I didn't realize I was doing it" excuse.

:rolleyes:
If it's not a permenant permit (registration plate) the obvious solution is for you to keep the permit in your backpack and hang it in the window or whatever car you ar in. It is your permit after all.

Work at Walmart for one month. You'll see what people are talking about.
WalMart wouldn't hire me. :p

Yeah, I grew up in Minnesota, where the Norse blood runs thick. Average height for Minnesotans is something like 6 inches taller than the national average. This means that I got used to seeing "big" people, and I tend to have a skewed perception of size now...to me, "average" size is 6' tall, 230 pounds. :)
That seems to be generally true. I'm 6'2" and 230, and my younger son is 6'4" and 230 ( and not an ounce of fat on him )! We're Swedish extraction ... mostly. About 60%, I think.

His wife is 6' even, and Italian/Brazilian. Going to be real interesting to see how his two sons turn out. Heh!

Yeah, again, that's the Norse build...freaking Vikings. They're just bloody HUGE.
Muscular? Don't know too much about them

Muscular? Don't know too much about them
Yeah, broad shoulders and tending toward heavy (albeit muscular) builds. Tall blonds, most of them, such that a college friend of mine once looked over my shoulder at my high school year book and said, "Man, did everybody in your school look like they belong on Baywatch?"

Let me preface this by saying that one of my parents has been struggling with weight issues for most of my life, so I know both sides of the story.

However, as a frequent traveler, I've got to say that my biggest pet peeve is grossly overweight individuals who buy a single seat for themselves on an airplane when they clearly require two seats. I've had large passengers virtually sitting on my lap, or had a man's arm jammed into my ear (I'm short) for a four hour flight because he was so fat he couldn't even put his arms down at his sides.

I pay for my tickets, and the seats are tiny enough as it is...if somebody is large enough that they take up space for two, then they should have to PAY for space for two. My ticket entitles me to a certain amount of room on the airplane, and I am disgusted with the selfishness of people who think they deserve to enjoy space they did not pay for. That's basically theft; they want to take something that I payed for, against my wishes, and then they add insult to injury by actingly like they are entitled to raise a stink if I object. Being fat should not make you the target of unfair discrimination, but it also should not give you the right to take what is not yours.
Not only that, but if I have to carry an extra bit of luggage (over the 75lb limit) I get heavily surcharged for it... but if I were to strap 100lbs of lard to my body not only would I NOT have to pay extra, I would likely get extra consideration (lap-belt extensions, etc) for it.

Fat people use more fuel, so I get so subsidize their flight while getting over-flowed on. :headbang:

Yeah, broad shoulders and tending toward heavy (albeit muscular) builds. Tall blonds, most of them, such that a college friend of mine once looked over my shoulder at my high school year book and said, "Man, did everybody in your school look like they belong on Baywatch?"
Ahh. I see. Of course. My bad. I knew that.
Nothing like that down here in New Zealand though.

Not only that, but if I have to carry an extra bit of luggage (over the 75lb limit) I get heavily surcharged for it... but if I were to strap 100lbs of lard to my body not only would I NOT have to pay extra, I would likely get extra consideration (lap-belt extensions, etc) for it.

Hey! That's true! Man, this is not helping...now I just resent them even MORE.

Hey! That's true! Man, this is not helping...now I just resent them even MORE.

Ok, now I somehow can't help but thinking you must be talking about completely different dimensions here... I've no clue about the American weight/height system, so I can't begin to estimate what levels you were talking about.
But I never ever had an instance when I took up more than one seat in an aircraft, and I've honestly never seen a person who would :confused:

Ok, now I somehow can't help but thinking you must be talking about completely different dimensions here... I've no clue about the American weight/height system, so I can't begin to estimate what levels you were talking about.
But I never ever had an instance when I took up more than one seat in an aircraft, and I've honestly never seen a person who would :confused:
I've seen several people who would take well over one seat.

Ok, now I somehow can't help but thinking you must be talking about completely different dimensions here... I've no clue about the American weight/height system, so I can't begin to estimate what levels you were talking about.
But I never ever had an instance when I took up more than one seat in an aircraft, and I've honestly never seen a person who would :confused:
I had a lady try to put the arm up between our seats because she simply couldn't fit her ass into the seat as it was. I firmly put it back down. The arm rest designates where her space ends and mine begins, and there was no way in hell I was going to let any part of her sit on the seat that I had to pay $350 for. She ended up asking the stewardess to move her to another seat, presumably in the hopes of finding some unlucky sap who was willing to let her ooze onto their lap.

I had a lady try to put the arm up between our seats because she simply couldn't fit her ass into the seat as it was. I firmly put it back down. The arm rest designates where her space ends and mine begins, and there was no way in hell I was going to let any part of her sit on the seat that I had to pay $350 for. She ended up asking the stewardess to move her to another seat, presumably in the hopes of finding some unlucky sap who was willing to let her ooze onto their lap.

Ok.....waaaaaaaay different dimensions. I've honestly never in my life seen a person like this before...

Ok.....waaaaaaaay different dimensions. I've honestly never in my life seen a person like this before...
Consider yourself lucky :).

I travel a whole lot, though, and most of the travel has been within the US (a very pudgy nation). I have unfortunately encountered such people on several different trips. They aren't all that common, but due to Murphy's Law they always end up seated next to me...

Ok.....waaaaaaaay different dimensions. I've honestly never in my life seen a person like this before...
Shivers. I don't know how you can't have.

Ok, now I somehow can't help but thinking you must be talking about completely different dimensions here... I've no clue about the American weight/height system, so I can't begin to estimate what levels you were talking about.
But I never ever had an instance when I took up more than one seat in an aircraft, and I've honestly never seen a person who would :confused:
If you look back to what I said in a previous post, I am not talking about the 160lb/72kilo woman or here, or 200lb/91 kilo man... I'm talking Morbid Obesity, flowing fat globs of (non sport) humans who punch the 250-300+ lb (113-136+ kilo) barrier of absurdity.

I will also be the first to admit that the obsession with Twiggyesque (Kate Moss?) thin is also absurd, but at least I don't get crushed or have to pay extra because of a Stick.

Body Mass Index seems to me to be an adequate, and reasonable measurement system (though it still doesn't take atheletes into account - but they are outliers anyway).

Try it. (note that "Overweight" is still a bit on the low side IMO, but "Obese" is what chaps my arse anyway.)

http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

Why? I have yet to have anyone give me one good reason to dislike WalMart! The prices are low, the variety of food and other products is large, and the people are friendly. Sounds to me as though they're doing an excellent job. :confused:

Well...
Watch JibJabs "Big Boxmart". And the SouthPark episode "something walmart" ;)

All right, not good reasons. But entertaining.

And if you don't quite get why people are trending to "overweight", try this quiz:

http://hin.nhlbi.nih.gov/portion/keep.htm

Ahh. I see. Of course. My bad. I knew that.
Nothing like that down here in New Zealand though.
Maoris (spelling?) are not noted for being a race tending towards small and slender people... (no blond hair though).

I have little sympathy for face stuffers and couch warmers. You like being fat? Well then, don't count on my support. I have a strict 200 lbs. limit. Above that, you take the back seat because lord knows that you would probably have to count that as one seat. Sorry, but pc went from vital to dangerous a while ago. I'm just a few pounds above underweight. I can still see my ribs. Why? Metabolism. Being active increases it. Just because an olympic athlete needs 10,000 calories a day(average person needs about 2000) doesn't mean you have to. I just can't feel sorry for the will power-impaired, of which, half are mentally-impaired. Sorry, but I have had it with fat groups trying to get me to join the dark side, which is probably dark because they block out the sun. Tall people can't just simply grow shorter. That requires extentsive surgery, plus recovery time. Most fat people can. I mean, most will propably consider standing up to be excersize. If people in China can feel you walking, that's a sign. Sorry, but I'm stressed to the breaking point.:mad:

Ok.....waaaaaaaay different dimensions. I've honestly never in my life seen a person like this before...
http://www.sciencebase.com/images/obesity_overweight.jpg http://www.catalystmedia.org.uk/issues/nerve4/images/obesity.jpg http://majorityrights.com/images/uploads/obese_negress_2.jpg

http://www.walrus.com/~ddprod/Images/obese.jpg

Then there are "Man Boobs"... a sure sign of Too Much Food/Not Enough Movement. :rolleyes:

http://www.nephite.com/images/2003/obese_men.jpg

Achieving Nirvana does not mean looking like Buddha.

http://www.planet.nl/upload_mm/2/0/c/1930296027_1999998627_Obese_kinderen2.jpg :headbang:

I see an awful lot of BS like the above pics (one like Pic #1 lives in my neighborhood...), and damn skippy I think its abominable.

Eat Less, Move More, and pay for the extra person you insist on carrying around.

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Ok, no honestly, I have yet to actually come across people like this.
Apart from the one on the right there in the pink bikini, she's about my size. Why on earth are they wearing bikinis anyway???

Ok, no honestly, I have yet to actually come across people like this.
Apart from the one on the right there in the pink bikini, she's about my size. Why on earth are they wearing bikinis anyway???

because we live in a world where glaring faults are just fine as long as you're "proud" of it.

Ok, no honestly, I have yet to actually come across people like this.
Apart from the one on the right there in the pink bikini, she's about my size. Why on earth are they wearing bikinis anyway???
Because they obviously are (A) dumber than rocks &/or (B) would rather be "fat and happy" than take the time and effort to get down to a reasonable (not skinny) size - regardless of how their mass impacts (literally) other people.

No part of the human body is designed to flow over any other part of the body.

Because they obviously are (A) dumber than rocks &/or (B) would rather be "fat and happy" than take the time and effort to get down to a reasonable (not skinny) size - regardless of how their mass impacts (literally) other people.

No part of the human body is designed to flow over any other part of the body.

Ok, ok, I get the message. Obviously, I'm nothing but a stupid, lazy low-life with not self-esteem and no discipline whatsoever, who's constantly infringing on other people's rights and space...
Thanks for pointing that out.

Live and let live

Obesity is not something to be proud about.
Having a higher risk of heart defects(including attacks) is not something to be proud of.
Having legs thicker than your rib cage is not appetising.
Obesity's cause is one part medical and a couple million parts being a lazy face-stuffing couch warmer. I have sympathy for the medical group. I have disgust for the other parts.

Obesity is not something to be proud about.
Having a higher risk of heart defects(including attacks) is not something to be proud of.
Having legs thicker than your rib cage is not appetising.
Obesity's cause is one part medical and a couple million parts being a lazy face-stuffing couch warmer. I have sympathy for the medical group. I have disgust for the other parts.

I think we all got that by now, but thanks for repeating it anyway. Stupid as I am I might otherwise have forgotten about it completely. :rolleyes:

Ok, ok, I get the message. Obviously, I'm nothing but a stupid, lazy low-life with not self-esteem and no discipline whatsoever, who's constantly infringing on other people's rights and space...
Thanks for pointing that out.

Lets see: it was an and-or statement.

Since you are obviously not stupid, and by the infrence in your previous post would not wear a bikini, (A) doesn't apply - leaving the OR part.

OR (B) You are self-proclaimed in both the "happy" spot and the "don't want to take the time and effort to slim. As to "regardless of the impact on other's personal space, well, you can decide if the shoe fits.

As far as "Low Life with no self esteem or dicipline", I am not qualified to make that judgement.

So please do not put words into my keyboard.

Lets see: it was an and-or statement.

Since you are obviously not stupid, and by the infrence in your previous post would not wear a bikini, (A) doesn't apply - leaving the OR part.

OR (B) You are self-proclaimed in both the "happy" spot and the "don't want to take the time and effort to slim. As to "regardless of the impact on other's personal space, well, you can decide if the shoe fits.

As far as "Low Life with no self esteem or dicipline", I am not qualified to make that judgement.

So please do not put words into my keyboard.

It's got nothing to do with either time nor effort, but I'm rather tired of repeating myself now.
The shoe doesn't fit, but I'm tired of repeating that over and over, too.
And I should have made it clear that I wasn't replying exclusively to your post, but to the general attitude of hatred displayed in this thread. Sorry about that. Yes, I realise that this is an internet forum and as such is being used by people to rant when they obviously lack the courage to attack whatever issue they have in real life, but I still find it offensive.

Live and let live

Thats how I look at it too. I have no animosity toward obese people. No more so than "slim" people.

I keep in mind there are many slim people that are desperately unhappy with the way they look and totally miserable bastards. I also know that there are many overweight people that are perfectly content,well adjusted, good people.
I feel bad for people in either category that arent happy with themselves and dont have the willpower or determination to correct it.

http://www.sciencebase.com/images/obesity_overweight.jpg
http://www.catalystmedia.org.uk/issues/nerve4/images/obesity.jpg
http://majorityrights.com/images/uploads/obese_negress_2.jpg
http://www.walrus.com/~ddprod/Images/obese.jpg

Then there are "Man Boobs"... a sure sign of Too Much Food/Not Enough Movement. :rolleyes:

http://www.nephite.com/images/2003/obese_men.jpg

Achieving Nirvana does not mean looking like Buddha.

http://www.planet.nl/upload_mm/2/0/c/1930296027_1999998627_Obese_kinderen2.jpg :headbang:

I see an awful lot of BS like the above pics (one like Pic #1 lives in my neighborhood...), and damn skippy I think its abominable.

Eat Less, Move More, and pay for the extra person you insist on carrying around.
That is SOOO wrong!

None of those people have laps!

Only Cats should be allowed to get too fat to move.

It's got nothing to do with either time nor effort, but I'm rather tired of repeating myself now.
The shoe doesn't fit, but I'm tired of repeating that over and over, too.
And I should have made it clear that I wasn't replying exclusively to your post, but to the general attitude of hatred displayed in this thread. Sorry about that. Yes, I realise that this is an internet forum and as such is being used by people to rant when they obviously lack the courage to attack whatever issue they have in real life, but I still find it offensive.
I won't speak for anybody else, but for myself the "hatred" isn't directed at fat people per say. It's directed at those individuals who make selfish, rude, inconsiderate choices, and then whine about "fat discrimination" when they are called to task for their behavior.

I don't have a problem with the vast majority of overweight individuals. What I have a problem with is people who decide not to take responsibility for their choices. I don't have a problem with fat people riding airplanes, for instance, but I have a problem with them expecting to share my seat with me. I'm not allowed to put my feet up on somebody else's seat, so why should a fat person feel entitled to pour their sidefat onto my seat?

I don't much care about other peoples' weight, unless they decide to make their weight my problem.

How do they wipe their asses?!? :eek:

That's probably horribly unhealthy.

All it takes is healthy eating habits (cut out most of the sweets, perhaps treat yourself on occasion) and exercise, a 40 minute walk a day does wonders.

...a 40 minute walk a day... which would require some effort!

I wonder if obesity can be (in some cases, at least) largely (pun inteded) attributed to laziness/lack of motivation.

I won't speak for anybody else, but for myself the "hatred" isn't directed at fat people per say. It's directed at those individuals who make selfish, rude, inconsiderate choices, and then whine about "fat discrimination" when they are called to task for their behavior.

I don't have a problem with the vast majority of overweight individuals. What I have a problem with is people who decide not to take responsibility for their choices. I don't have a problem with fat people riding airplanes, for instance, but I have a problem with them expecting to share my seat with me. I'm not allowed to put my feet up on somebody else's seat, so why should a fat person feel entitled to pour their sidefat onto my seat?

I don't much care about other peoples' weight, unless they decide to make their weight my problem.

Amen.

How do they wipe their asses?!?

Be glad you didn't see the ones I declined to link to in an attempt to avoid ModWrath. Just don't Google "Obese"...

because we live in a world where glaring faults are just fine as long as you're "proud" of it.

no kidding. Who gives a damn if others go blind at the sight of you playing Ahab's white whale in the bikini?

(it was Ahab's whale, right? hehe)

I just found this. Jared Fogle (subway guy) blaming Nintendo for his weight gain.



Most people know part of Fogle’s story, he said, but don’t realize he started gaining weight in third grade. "I can trace it back to when I was given the best birthday present of my life: a Nintendo."

At that point, Fogle said, he started playing video games more and riding his bike and playing sports less. He became sedentary. With his love of video games, he developed a love of junk food.

"I usually had one hand on the controller and one in a bag of chips," he said. By the time he reached sixth grade, he was bigger than the other children, he said, and his father, a doctor, started to worry.

"They tried restricting my Nintendo time, but I found ways to get around it," Fogle said.

For people without health conditions all it takes is to eat real food( not a bunch of junk like cakes, cookies and potato chips all the time or as sustitutes for meals), in moderation(don't stuff til you can't move), drink some water everyday and walk a few times a week.

I've never been on a "diet" in my life. I've always ate what I wanted. I've never been a sweet eater.. not even when I was a kid. I like real food. The only time I've gained weight was when I stopped being active. As soon as I got back to walking or working .. or both .. it falls off.. naturally. I never deny myself food .. that would be stupid to do anyway being that your metabolism gets slower the less you eat! But if I ate junk food, fast food and sweets all the time .. then the walking alone wouldn't do it.. I'd probably have to really work out too burn off all that. And that wouldn't take care of the high blood pressure and high ass cholesterol that type of junk causes.. so what would be the point of being active if you're just gonna feed your body crap?

I've got some jelly rolls of my own I could probably get rid of if I ever went out and did some exercise. I dunno about all overweight people, but mine is indeed a product of laziness that I could fix on my own if I ever decided to apply myself...

Maoris (spelling?) are not noted for being a race tending towards small and slender people... (no blond hair though).
Correct. But not that big. Samoans tend to be bigger.

There are an awful lot of people throwing random weight numbers around as what they seem to think are absolute cutoffs for what is and is not overweight that don't really make a whole lot of sense in the real world.

I've seen, for instance, 160 lb for a woman essentially referred to as being overweight, but not obese. Of course, that doesn't really work for me. My target "ideal" weight, for my height and build, falls around 170-175. People seem to think that any woman who weighs 200 lb or over must be huge and "take up the whole backseat". Again, not true, although I would probably need you to pull your seat forward so I could fit my legs in. I currently weight about 200 lb, which means that I am overweight (although I'm working it off), but nowhere near the level of obesity. Most people guess my weight much lower, because I don't look fat.

In other words, watch out with the absolute numbers. One of my best friends would be overweight at 170. For me, that would be just about the perfect weight.

I went to Wal-Mart today because I needed some food. Now I am handicapped and I have a handicapp tag. I was born handicapped. I was about to pull into this space when a car cut me off and got into my space. Out came 3 fat conclusion, fat people, you need to stop parking in the handicapp space!....
I feel for you brother. Outrage... I like to think Im mildly prejudiced against fat people

I feel for you brother. Outrage... I like to think Im mildly prejudiced against fat people
I'm extremely prejudiced against the lazy and the asses. I just don't like people who "have" to be asses. If you're fat enough, buy two seats. Go to antarctica so that your blubber doesn't cook your insides. That is, if you're fat enough. Just don't complain to me, Joe Willpower or to Jane Self-control.

Round 'em up and shoot them all, cause I think they're ugly" is what you're saying? :rolleyes:

Oh, and btw, humanity is getting taller as well. Should we also get rid of all tall people, demanding mors space and wasting more resources?

True, but at the same time we have the PC brigade in New Zealand claiming there should be quotas not just to boost female participation in the the higher levels of business, but a fat person quota as well - as one commentator said, "why not an ugliness quota?"

Please, in the US where the employers are anal raped by expected to pay for the health costs of their employees, I would NEVER hire a fat person, EVER, if I am expected to pay for the associated medical costs NOW and in the future, thanks to the weight contribution to wear and tear on the body.

As a citizen, I am sick and tired of seeing the jihad against smokers, and yet, the fat get off scott free; I had a look at the expenses, and believe me, smokers WELL AND TRUELY pay for the costs of their habit via the extra tax they pay on cigarettes - fat people on the other hand, pay the same level of taxation but use MORE of the health system than I do.

When I need health care, or some other person, they have to wait on a waiting list for 12 months just to get a damn operation, thanks to the budget being stretched because someone decided he or she liked the view of his or her stretched waist line.

True, but at the same time we have the PC brigade in New Zealand claiming there should be quotas not just to boost female participation in the the higher levels of business, but a fat person quota as well - as one commentator said, "why not an ugliness quota?"

Please, in the US where the employers are anal raped by expected to pay for the health costs of their employees, I would NEVER hire a fat person, EVER, if I am expected to pay for the associated medical costs NOW and in the future, thanks to the weight contribution to wear and tear on the body.

As a citizen, I am sick and tired of seeing the jihad against smokers, and yet, the fat get off scott free; I had a look at the expenses, and believe me, smokers WELL AND TRUELY pay for the costs of their habit via the extra tax they pay on cigarettes - fat people on the other hand, pay the same level of taxation but use MORE of the health system than I do.

When I need health care, or some other person, they have to wait on a waiting list for 12 months just to get a damn operation, thanks to the budget being stretched because someone decided he or she liked the view of his or her stretched waist line.
Yeah, well, what are you going to do? With all these fatty-rights advocates going around saying how fat people deserve more(most NEED to use FEWER resources) consideration and kindness. Well, these fatties are eating food that could go to poor people. Many have health conditions because of the added stress on their bodies. It's not people defending the oppressed. It's assholes defending assholes.

Hmm.. 85kg isn't that overweight at all. A 16 year old from my school weighs around 140kg.

It depends on the height of the individual, the frame type and how much of it is actually muscle.

What is wrong with America today? Why can't you respect people of all body shapes? What is so wrong with eating? I think we shouldn't keep fat people from eating i think we should encourage them to eat more. So they die faster. See, everyone's problem solved by nature. Up with fat people! Up with eating! up with dying of obesity!

PS: I hate fat people.

Yeah, well, what are you going to do? With all these fatty-rights advocates going around saying how fat people deserve more(most NEED to use FEWER resources) consideration and kindness. Well, these fatties are eating food that could go to poor people. Many have health conditions because of the added stress on their bodies. It's not people defending the oppressed. It's assholes defending assholes.

Last time I looked, they were paying for their food, same as anyone else. That food wouldn't ever go to any poor, because as the word implies, they won't be able to pay. And I'd like you to show me the business man saying "No more fat people buy my food, I think I'll donate the lot to charity" :rolleyes:

And nobody's asking you to go out of your way to suddenly be nice to people, but you might want to refrain from calling people assholes here.

...Did it ever occur to you that there are handicaps other than the obvious? How do you know one or two of the people in the car weren't blind or deaf?

Further, yes, there are genes that causes some people to weight more than others. Just because you're too stupid to imagine anyone not looking like you without automatically being a stupid slug doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.
The fact is we all have those genes that you so commonly associate with fat people. Back when food was scarce (im talking way before civilization) our bodies evolved to create a gene that could store energy in fat cells very efficiently(so we wouldn't starve between eating). Fat people ARE to blame because of their diets and their lack of exercise. The fat in their bodies were put in by them. Genes aren't to blame, they are.

How do they wipe their asses?!? :eek:

A ultra high pressured fire hose on a long pole.

Bigger question: does the toilet disappear when they sit on it?

A ultra high pressured fire hose on a long pole.

Bigger question: does the toilet disappear when they sit on it?
Nope. It just kills someone in China.:p

What is wrong with America today? Why can't you respect people of all body shapes? What is so wrong with eating? I think we shouldn't keep fat people from eating i think we should encourage them to eat more. So they die faster. See, everyone's problem solved by nature. Up with fat people! Up with eating! up with dying of obesity!

PS: I hate fat people.
I hope that's a sick joke.

You know what would be funny? Have all the fat people put into excercise camps, and the kitchen and dining room is powered by trendmills! The only way to keep the power on in the kitchen and dining room is to have the fatasses run on the trendmill.

I hope that's a sick joke.
He hates everybody, or thats what Ive noticed in the 10minutes ive been on the forums.

There are an awful lot of people throwing random weight numbers around as what they seem to think are absolute cutoffs for what is and is not overweight that don't really make a whole lot of sense in the real world.

I've seen, for instance, 160 lb for a woman essentially referred to as being overweight, but not obese. Of course, that doesn't really work for me. My target "ideal" weight, for my height and build, falls around 170-175. People seem to think that any woman who weighs 200 lb or over must be huge and "take up the whole backseat". Again, not true, although I would probably need you to pull your seat forward so I could fit my legs in. I currently weight about 200 lb, which means that I am overweight (although I'm working it off), but nowhere near the level of obesity. Most people guess my weight much lower, because I don't look fat.

In other words, watch out with the absolute numbers. One of my best friends would be overweight at 170. For me, that would be just about the perfect weight.
Oh, I agree. There is a HUGE (pun intended) difference between being "overweight" and being a glopping mound of cellulite and lard.

The classification of "overweight" by absolute numbers cannot and does not take body type into account (Samoans OMG!). A Valkrye requires more absolute weight than a Pixie... but neither, regardless of weight, are healthy if they are overflowing.

I laughed at the op's statement about fat ass liscense plates and having their spots at the other end of the parking lot, cause to me it was funny. But in no way was I picking on anyone. I do not pick on people and a lot of you in here are doing just that. I don't look down on fat people or consider them less worthy. I laughed at something that struck me funny, but now I feel like an ass after reading some the posts in this thread.

I laughed at the op's statement about fat ass liscense plates and having their spots at the other end of the parking lot, cause to me it was funny. But in no way was I picking on anyone. I do not pick on people and a lot of you in here are doing just that. I don't look down on fat people or consider them less worthy. I laughed at something that struck me funny, but now I feel like an ass after reading some the posts in this thread.

Eh, don't be, I laughed at some of the comments on this thread too.