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I went to Wal-Mart today because I needed some food. Now I am handicapped and I have a handicapp tag. I was born handicapped. I was about to pull into this space when a car cut me off and got into my space. Out came 3 fat people, a mom, dad and a son. Of course they had the tag. But why do they need the tag? They wern't born hadicapped. They ate handicapped. Why do fat people need these things? What, is it because they get short of breath after walking 50 feet? Well yea, that's because you're body is trying to tell you that you WEIGH TOO MUCH! The body cannot support the weight that you ate. Of course everyone favorite argument is "Well some people have a fatness disease, or some people were born fat." Ok you know what, that's false. When I was little my mom used to work in a nursery, and sometimes I would go to the nusery with her. I never once saw a fat baby. Also, I don't buy the fact that sometimes people are just fat. That's bullshit, if that was true, then where was it back in the 50's?? Face it, you're fat because you put in more food than what came out. It's your own damn fault that you're fat, stop trying to blame it on other things. If I was in charge of the handicapp tag, I would only give it to people who were either born handicapped or who became handicapped either by accident/war/disease/old age etc. Fat people will get a "Fat ass" tag. Oh they'll have their own spot. However, their spots will be at the other end of the parking lot. Oh yes, they will have to walk the farthest because trust me, they need the excercise. If any of them try to cheat with the stupid little power cart, I'll personally slash that cart's tire. So in conclusion, fat people, you need to stop parking in the handicapp space!

I have to agree with you on this one. One of my jobs is as a manager at Sam's Club, and we have these motorised carts for people who are handicapped , elderly, or injured. These carts are all currently broken. Why? Because they have weight limits on them, yet who INSISTS that they should get to use them? Insanely fat people. And then the carts break.

Leave the presidents of ham alone. It's not their fault they're really handicapped.(just not physically, if you catch my drift)

you should slash Wal Mart's tires too

...Did it ever occur to you that there are handicaps other than the obvious? How do you know one or two of the people in the car weren't blind or deaf?

Further, yes, there are genes that causes some people to weight more than others. Just because you're too stupid to imagine anyone not looking like you without automatically being a stupid slug doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.

I have to agree with you on this one. One of my jobs is as a manager at Sam's Club, and we have these motorised carts for people who are handicapped , elderly, or injured. These carts are all currently broken. Why? Because they have weight limits on them, yet who INSISTS that they should get to use them? Insanely fat people. And then the carts break.

I would put a sign on them that says "If you weigh over this much, then you're too damn fat. Take a walk."

It should be illegal to give fat people handicapped spots, if anything, the walk will be good for them.

One of my former roommates went on about how she simply couldn't lose weight. I consider it bullshit, it might take more effort than for other people (some people do store fat better than others) but it is possible to lose weight. You might not want to due to the amount of effort it would require either, but then don't get upset when you have to pay for two seats on an airplane because you can't squeeze yourself into a single one.

...Did it ever occur to you that there are handicaps other than the obvious? How do you know one or two of the people in the car weren't blind or deaf?

The family seemed fine to me since they were all talking and no one had a seeing eye dog or a cane. They could have a heart problem but comon, they brought that upon themselves.


Further, yes, there are genes that causes some people to weight more than others. Just because you're too stupid to imagine anyone not looking like you without automatically being a stupid slug doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.

I have a mom who's a head nurse in her department, she was a nurse ever since she was 18 (she's now 50), she has NEVER heard of the "fat gene" and doesn't believe it exist. She has a Master as well as experience in the medical field. I'm inclinde to believe her on this. Also, like I said, they may have heart problems, but they brought that upon themselves.

I used to work in a grocery store and nothing but obscenly obese people would use them while the elderly crutched around just fine.

Yes obesity can be a condition, but getting off your fucking ass once in a while helps. Especially when you're picking out that 40lb slab of meat you're gonig to take home and eat then drown it down in 2 liters of diet soda so it all balances out.

I got a method that never fails and you lose weight really fast. Eat nothing but salad (no dressing), jello, and popcorn. Cut holes in a trashbag like a shirt and pants. Wear about 6 sweat shirts and pants and then get your fat ass moving!

...Did it ever occur to you that there are handicaps other than the obvious? How do you know one or two of the people in the car weren't blind or deaf?

Further, yes, there are genes that causes some people to weight more than others. Just because you're too stupid to imagine anyone not looking like you without automatically being a stupid slug doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.
That's pretty much what I thought. You presumed that they where handicapped because they where fat, but for all we know they had a different handicap. I don't even know that obesity can get you a handicap placard. This is all based on presumption because you didn't get a parking space. Outrage denied.

That's pretty much what I thought. You presumed that they where handicapped because they where fat, but for all we know they had a different handicap. I don't even know that obesity can get you a handicap placard. This is all based on presumption because you didn't get a parking space. Outrage denied.

Like I said, they didn't appear blind, or deaf, and the fact that I later saw them wheel out two carts, both of them were half-way filled with junk food and big slabs of meat. It kind of hurts the image that you got a hidden handicapped.

I got a method that never fails and you lose weight really fast. Eat nothing but salad (no dressing), jello, and popcorn. Cut holes in a trashbag like a shirt and pants. Wear about 6 sweat shirts and pants and then get your fat ass moving!
That's probably horribly unhealthy.

All it takes is healthy eating habits (cut out most of the sweets, perhaps treat yourself on occasion) and exercise, a 40 minute walk a day does wonders.

That's probably horribly unhealthy.

All it takes is healthy eating habits (cut out most of the sweets, perhaps treat yourself on occasion) and exercise, a 40 minute walk a day does wonders.

Yea, but that takes "too much effort" and beside Oprah will be on any minute now!

That's probably horribly unhealthy.

All it takes is healthy eating habits (cut out most of the sweets, perhaps treat yourself on occasion) and exercise, a 40 minute walk a day does wonders.

I know first hand it is (wrestling), but I'm just going to an extreme saying a little exercise does good things physically and mentally.

One of my former roommates went on about how she simply couldn't lose weight. I consider it bullshit, it might take more effort than for other people...

She should try the survivor diet: rice mush,rats, and small fish ONCE A DAY for a month or two until the healthy weight is reached.

That's pretty much what I thought. You presumed that they where handicapped because they where fat, but for all we know they had a different handicap. I don't even know that obesity can get you a handicap placard. This is all based on presumption because you didn't get a parking space. Outrage denied.
As much as I would love to live in your fantasy world, I have to agree with the outrage and say the chance they had any "handicap" not brought on by obesity was slim.

I have to occur with you when you say that fat people should not be allowed in a handicapped spot and as well that they should not be able to use motorized carts. The only condition that I know of that actually isn’t a person fault is when a person cannot process fatty acids or something like that. This causes fat to build up to them and they cannot prevent this without surgery.

I'm completely on your side, Stone Bridges.

I too, am handicapped, and it seriously makes me outraged to see some of the people that have these permits to park. I swear anyone can get a permit now a days, it's absolutely ridiculous. Since I'm 17 and don't live on my own, or need a car yet, my mother uses mine for her daily errends, which I highly oppose, and she knows this but continues to use it. I told her that shes the type of person who would come outside to see their tires slashed if I wasn't her son.

I'm completely on your side, Stone Bridges.

I too, am handicapped, and it seriously makes me outraged to see some of the people that have these permits to park. I swear anyone can get a permit now a days, it's absolutely ridiculous. Since I'm 17 and don't live on my own, or need a car yet, my mother uses mine for her daily errends, which I highly oppose, and she knows this but continues to use it. I told her that shes the type of person who would come outside to see their tires slashed if I wasn't her son.

LOL, I actually thought about buying a big sturdy knife just for tire slashing. But I would probably get into alot of trouble, so it's not worth it.

I have to occur with you when you say that fat people should not be allowed in a handicapped spot and as well that they should not be able to use motorized carts. The only condition that I know of that actually isn’t a person fault is when a person cannot process fatty acids or something like that. This causes fat to build up to them and they cannot prevent this without surgery.

That's nice, prove it. and no you can't use Wikipedia article. I'll only accept articles that were written by someone in the medical field.

That's pretty much what I thought. You presumed that they where handicapped because they where fat, but for all we know they had a different handicap. I don't even know that obesity can get you a handicap placard. This is all based on presumption because you didn't get a parking space. Outrage denied.
Obesity can get you a handicapped placard as can any condition that makes it difficult to walk any distance. Also any condition that causes the deminishment of use of any limb can qualify you. I knew a lazy fuck that got a handicapped placard because he had carpal tunnel. I don't know who diserves to be slapped more, the lazy fuck or the doctor who signed the form, because a doctor has to sign off on the DMV application. But the law is written so loosely they're afraid of a lawsuit if they don't sign off on every lazy asshole who remotely fits within the laws lauguage.The placards are way overissued.
They are also widley abused by people who use a family members placard or car and park in handicapped spaces. Parking in a handicapped space even with a placard or handicapped plate when the person who that placard or plate is issued to isn't in the vehicle is a crime, but how the hell do you monitor such abuse.

LOL, I actually thought about buying a big sturdy knife just for tire slashing. But I would probably get into alot of trouble, so it's not worth it.

You could just let the air out of them. You'll be long gone before anyone notices. >^_^<

LOL, I actually thought about buying a big sturdy knife just for tire slashing. But I would probably get into alot of trouble, so it's not worth it.I've been on the urge of actually slashing a persons tires before. Except this wasn't because they were in a handicapped spot; but because they were in the spot next to the handicapped spot that you get out on. The specific spot YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO PARK ON, and I was on the curb.... and this was in front of a ramp.... so I'm in my wheelchair, on the curb, outside of the store I had just left.... with a car in front of the ramp. I wait patiently for the person to come outside (mind you, I really didn't have to do this because I can hop curbs pretty easily), and the look on their face was PRICELESS because they immediately realized what they had done. I acted like I was all pissed and really mad, and that just made it all the much more entertaining for me. :-P

I don't know why, but I really had to make them realize how stupid they were for doing that, and making them feel sorry and sad that they thought I waited on the curb for so long because of them is funny. I could have left!!! LOL

Yeah, as a fatass myself, that still pisses me off if true. While I don't think that you can get a handicapped sticker/plate/hanging tag/tattoo for being fat, it's a sad day for (I presume) America if it is so. I see too many people in the shopping isles that are motoring along in the little scooters that don't look any older than 35 but are massively overweight. HINT: If you can't walk your butt around the grocery store, you don't need the groceries. Pop some vitamins and go without the calories for, oh, a month and you'll probably feel much better. Heck, people through history have fasted for 40 days for their religion. People just need to convert to (insert religion of choice here) and they'll lose weight. :rolleyes:

Like I said, they didn't appear blind, or deaf, and the fact that I later saw them wheel out two carts, both of them were half-way filled with junk food and big slabs of meat. It kind of hurts the image that you got a hidden handicapped.
Perhaps it was arthritis. Or any other number of handicaps that wouldn't neccisarily be visible. Sorry, I'm still withholding outrage based on your assumption.

I agree, but I want to take it a step further. The morbidly obese should not be permitted to drive. Instead, each family with a seriously overweight person in it gets a wheelbarrow mounted on a Radio Flyer. When they want to go to town, the Fatty Bus drives by and they hook it on the back, and just drift along in a disturbing parade of gluttony.

Perhaps it was arthritis. Or any other number of handicaps that wouldn't neccisarily be visible. Sorry, I'm still withholding outrage based on your assumption.

Yea, umm these were a young family. I doubt arthritis has set in yet. Face it they got the damn tag because they were too damn lazy to walk an extra 20 feet.

Perhaps it was arthritis. Or any other number of handicaps that wouldn't neccisarily be visible. Sorry, I'm still withholding outrage based on your assumption.

I worked in a grocery store for abouta year and I'd see more fat people riding the scooters around than anyone else. Maybe you could blow that off as sheer coincidence but as I remember they seemed fine to me. They'd park their scooter at the entrance and waddle out to their cars.

I agree, but I want to take it a step further. The morbidly obese should not be permitted to drive. Instead, each family with a seriously overweight person in it gets a wheelbarrow mounted on a Radio Flyer. When they want to go to town, the Fatty Bus drives by and they hook it on the back, and just drift along in a disturbing parade of gluttony.

The Fatass Parade! I love it!

I agree, but I want to take it a step further. The morbidly obese should not be permitted to drive. Instead, each family with a seriously overweight person in it gets a wheelbarrow mounted on a Radio Flyer. When they want to go to town, the Fatty Bus drives by and they hook it on the back, and just drift along in a disturbing parade of gluttony.
lol, agreed.

That's pretty much what I thought. You presumed that they where handicapped because they where fat, but for all we know they had a different handicap. I don't even know that obesity can get you a handicap placard. This is all based on presumption because you didn't get a parking space. Outrage denied.

No, it probably wasn't because they were fat. Instead, it was probably because one or all of them had back or ankle or knee problems. (Because they were fat.) ;)

Yeah, as a fatass myself, that still pisses me off if true. While I don't think that you can get a handicapped sticker/plate/hanging tag/tattoo for being fat, it's a sad day for (I presume) America if it is so. I see too many people in the shopping isles that are motoring along in the little scooters that don't look any older than 35 but are massively overweight. HINT: If you can't walk your butt around the grocery store, you don't need the groceries. Pop some vitamins and go without the calories for, oh, a month and you'll probably feel much better. Heck, people through history have fasted for 40 days for their religion. People just need to convert to (insert religion of choice here) and they'll lose weight. :rolleyes:

Hey that's a great idea, Force all fat people to convert to Islam! Of course that may make the terrorist hate us more. Ah well.

Yea, umm these were a young family. I doubt arthritis has set in yet. Face it they got the damn tag because they were too damn lazy to walk an extra 20 feet.
Yea, umm...I'm going to continue to doubt your ability to make a complete diagnosis of someone by watching them get out of a car.

Hey that's a great idea, Force all fat people to convert to Islam! Of course that may make the terrorist hate us more. Ah well.

Scooter bombings instead of car bombings :D

Yea, umm...I'm going to continue to doubt your ability to make a complete diagnosis of someone by watching them get out of a car.

Face it, they got it because they were fat, and if they were handicapp, then it's probably due to the fact that their body couldn't withstand the weight. So their handicapps were brought on by their overeating and lack of self discipline.

As much as I would love to live in your fantasy world, I have to agree with the outrage and say the chance they had any "handicap" not brought on by obesity was slim.
As much as I'd like to live in a world where I make snap judgements regarding peoples medical conditions and then malign them...no, wait-I don't want to live in that world.

Scooter bombings instead of car bombings :D

Why do I imagine that scooter bombings would be messier than car bombings? All I can see is alot of people going "eww".

Why do I imagine that scooter bombings would be messier than car bombings? All I can see is alot of people going "eww".

*thinks back to that video of the people blowing up the beached whale*

Face it, they got it because they were fat, and if they were handicapp, then it's probably due to the fact that their body couldn't withstand the weight. So their handicapps were brought on by their overeating and lack of self discipline.
Please stop wasting your magical diagnostic abilities-you need to be roaming from hospital to hospital using your super-diagnostic vision to assess difficult deseases.

Nope, sorry. I continue to withhold outrage and doubt your diagnostic superpower. This is just an excuse to bitch about not getting a parking space and take a pot shot at overweight people. Small. On appeal, outrage still denied.

I went to Wal-Mart today because I needed some food. Now I am handicapped and I have a handicapp tag. I was born handicapped. I was about to pull into this space when a car cut me off and got into my space. Out came 3 fat people, a mom, dad and a son. Of course they had the tag. But why do they need the tag? They wern't born hadicapped. They ate handicapped.
:D

Why do fat people need these things? What, is it because they get short of breath after walking 50 feet? Well yea, that's because you're body is trying to tell you that you WEIGH TOO MUCH! The body cannot support the weight that you ate. Of course everyone favorite argument is "Well some people have a fatness disease, or some people were born fat." Ok you know what, that's false. When I was little my mom used to work in a nursery, and sometimes I would go to the nusery with her. I never once saw a fat baby. Also, I don't buy the fact that sometimes people are just fat. That's bullshit, if that was true, then where was it back in the 50's?? Face it, you're fat because you put in more food than what came out. It's your own damn fault that you're fat, stop trying to blame it on other things. If I was in charge of the handicapp tag, I would only give it to people who were either born handicapped or who became handicapped either by accident/war/disease/old age etc. Fat people will get a "Fat ass" tag. Oh they'll have their own spot. However, their spots will be at the other end of the parking lot. Oh yes, they will have to walk the farthest because trust me, they need the excercise. If any of them try to cheat with the stupid little power cart, I'll personally slash that cart's tire. So in conclusion, fat people, you need to stop parking in the handicapp space!
If they have a parking sticker, they can use the parking space.

Are they less handicapped because they made themselves that way?

No, it probably wasn't because they were fat. Instead, it was probably because one or all of them had back or ankle or knee problems. (Because they were fat.) ;)
Or perhaps they had a disability that limited their mobility and like anyone else who doesn't move around much they put on weight. That they have bad eating habits just makes them like most of the people around them.

If they have a parking sticker, they can use the parking space.


I had a parking sticker once cuz someone in my family who drove my car was handicapped. I coulda used it to get handicapped spaces even though I am not handicapped. Would you have supported that?

Why do I imagine that scooter bombings would be messier than car bombings? All I can see is alot of people going "eww".

Probably a lot like Tremors.

:D


If they have a parking sticker, they can use the parking space.

Are they less handicapped because they made themselves that way?

Yea, pretty much. See my problem is, is that these spots should be reserved for people who are handicapped and they didn't do it to themselves. Why should fatass get a spot just because he lacked the self discipline needed to not stuff his face with junk food and meat? I've seen old people walking from in the middle of the parking lot up to the front. Hell one time I gave them a ride up to the front. Fat people ate themselves handicapped and because they brought the problem upon themselves, they should be denied the space. Plus, the walking would be good for them.

I had a parking sticker once cuz someone in my family who drove my car was handicapped. I coulda used it to get handicapped spaces even though I am not handicapped. Would you have supported that?
If you have the sticker, you can park in the handicap spot.

Or perhaps they had a disability that limited their mobility and like anyone else who doesn't move around much they put on weight. That they have bad eating habits just makes them like most of the people around them.

Yeah maybe. Maybe they were actually christian saints whose blood is shed for the cause of righteousness. We don't know, but my hunch is they're just fat fucks like most of the people around them.

Yea, pretty much. See my problem is, is that these spots should be reserved for people who are handicapped and they didn't do it to themselves. Why should fatass get a spot just because he lacked the self discipline needed to not stuff his face with junk food and meat? I've seen old people walking from in the middle of the parking lot up to the front. Hell one time I gave them a ride up to the front. Fat people ate themselves handicapped and because they brought the problem upon themselves, they should be denied the space. Plus, the walking would be good for them.
But isn't that an unnecessary bias? Is the person who cut off his own hand less handicapped than the person who had a train run over his arm?

If you have the sticker, you can park in the handicap spot.

Yeah, so basically you're OK with fraud and don't care if people with genuine handicaps are fucked over cuz of it. Damn and they call ME cold-hearted!

They probley just picked a random place to park, and parked. They were most likely just rude. It happens, there are people like that in the world, get used to it.

Yeah maybe. Maybe they were actually christian saints whose blood is shed for the cause of righteousness. We don't know, but my hunch is they're just fat fucks like most of the people around them.
Your hunch, Stone Bridges assumption. Neither enough for me to condemn anyone or have any outrage, except at how willing people are to pass judgement on others with little or no information.

But isn't that an unnecessary bias? Is the person who cut off his own hand less handicapped than the person who had a train run over his arm?

Why would someone cut off their own hands? That line of questioning makes no sense.

Yeah, so basically you're OK with fraud and don't care if people with genuine handicaps are fucked over cuz of it. Damn and they call ME cold-hearted!
How is it "fraud"? Are they only pretending to be "fat fucks"?

If you have the sticker, you can park in the handicap spot.No you can't, that's a common misconception. The plates and placards are issued to individuals, if you're not the person it's issued to or that person is not a passenger, you're breaking the law!

They probley just picked a random place to park, and parked. They were most likely just rude. It happens, there are people like that in the world, get used to it.

Yea, but see, theres these signs, and big orange lines on the pavement, hell theres even a wheelchair painted on the pavement and the word "Handicapp" in big bold white letters on the pavement. Kind of hard to mistaken that or just another spot.

No you can't, that's a common misconception. The plates and placards are issued to individuals, if you're not the person it's issued to or that person is not a passenger, you're breaking the law!
Good point! ..albeit beyond the scope of this discussion.

~snip~

Although I can usually count on agreeing with your position, I do not in this case. The OP may be in error about this specific instance. His medical dx's may be erroneous. But that cannot outweigh the fact that I see overwhelming evidence in support of his premise on a daily basis. At my store I see thousand of people on a daily basis. I would characterize maybe 5% of my traffic as VERY overweight, at most. I would say that 95% of those that use the store's motorized carts are VERY overweight. Even if some of those people had legitimate illnesses which were not weight related, the majority simply suffer from lazyness. And after surgery last year I got a temporary handicapped parking permit. They hand them out like candy, at least in Florida.

Handicapable, people ... handicapable.

Oh, and believe it or not, obesity can sneak up on you. A lot of the time, it's a sign of depression or stress.

Don't hate the obese. Have a little sympathy.

Yea, but see, theres these signs, and big orange lines on the pavement, hell theres even a wheelchair painted on the pavement and the word "Handicapp" in big bold white letters on the pavement. Kind of hard to mistaken that or just another spot.
Exactly, that's what ment, they just picked that spot because they were to lazy to go find a spot that other people didn't need as much.

How is it "fraud"? Are they only pretending to be "fat fucks"?

Ummm you seemingly responded to my hypothetical situation in which I had a handicapped sticker but am not in any way handicapped. I thought that was cuz you actually read it but I see now I may have passed judgement in ignorance.

Your hunch, Stone Bridges assumption. Neither enough for me to condemn anyone or have any outrage, except at how willing people are to pass judgement on others with little or no information.


Hey, no one's asking you to have outrage. But are you really pretending that you've never made a judgement without sufficient information? Do you give a trial with a jury of your peers, due process, legal representation, testimony of experts, anytime you have an opinion about someone else? Somehow I think not. So cool your outrage, mister politically correct. :p

Or perhaps they had a disability that limited their mobility and like anyone else who doesn't move around much they put on weight. That they have bad eating habits just makes them like most of the people around them.

Or they could have had to take medication with the unfortunate sideeffect of making you fat. Quite a few of those..
Or they were simply fat because they ate too much and excersise too little.

Handicapable, people ... handicapable.

Oh, and believe it or not, obesity can sneak up on you. A lot of the time, it's a sign of depression or stress.

Don't hate the obese. Have a little sympathy.

Sorry, my sympathy ran out when I was severily beaten back in High School just because a group of people wanted to prove how tough they are. Also, how can it sneak up on you? I mean jeez what, do you wake up and suddenly find yourself at 300 pounds? Once again, that's kind of hard to swallow.

Although I can usually count on agreeing with your position, I do not in this case. The OP may be in error about this specific instance. His medical dx's may be erroneous. But that cannot outweigh the fact that I see overwhelming evidence in support of his premise on a daily basis. At my store I see thousand of people on a daily basis. I would characterize maybe 5% of my traffic as VERY overweight, at most. I would say that 95% of those that use the store's motorized carts are VERY overweight. Even if some of those people had legitimate illnesses which were not weight related, the majority simply suffer from lazyness. And after surgery last year I got a temporary handicapped parking permit. They hand them out like candy, at least in Florida.
There is a case to say that people who are deliberately overweight should not park in the hadicap spot. However, simple bias is not that case.

Or they could have had to take medication with the unfortunate sideeffect of making you fat. Quite a few of those..
Or they were simply fat because they ate too much and excersise too little.

Once again I ask evidence, and no Wikipedia doesn't count. Only articles from the medical field will be accepted.

Good point! ..albeit beyond the scope of this discussion.:rolleyes: I didn't hyjack the subject of the thread, I just pointed out a major falacy in a statement you made....


...did I hit a nerve?

Have a little sympathy.

You're asking for sympathy in THIS forum? Where the hell have you been?

And, if I may quote...."You want sympathy? I'll tell you where to find sympathy. It's in the dictionary between shit, and syphilis.

Your hunch, Stone Bridges assumption. Neither enough for me to condemn anyone or have any outrage, except at how willing people are to pass judgement on others with little or no information.Most likely they were simply an obese family. However I'll agree with you. Still, it seems to me the hostility is towards people who abuse their body and get disability. The Family was just a convinient scapegoat.

Ummm you seemingly responded to my hypothetical situation in which I had a handicapped sticker but am not in any way handicapped. I thought that was cuz you actually read it but I see now I may have passed judgement in ignorance.
No; I actually did respond, and now am responding to the second hypothetical question.

Ummm you seemingly responded to my hypothetical situation in which I had a handicapped sticker but am not in any way handicapped. I thought that was cuz you actually read it but I see now I may have passed judgement in ignorance.



Hey, no one's asking you to have outrage. But are you really pretending that you've never made a judgement without sufficient information? Do you give a trial with a jury of your peers, due process, legal representation, testimony of experts, anytime you have an opinion about someone else? Somehow I think not. So cool your outrage, mister politically correct. :p
No, but I also tend not to do something as involved as a medical diagnosis on as little information as someone getting out of a car. It's all in degrees, and this one's too far out for me to buy.

However, simple bias is not that case.


Aw, did I hit a nerve too? I must have, for you to begin with the snippy elitist "oh, you're just biased" argument.

God damn fat ****s. If you don't have a genetic condition then you really need to be hit really hard in the face. Being fat is not being handicapped. Your are just a lazy waste of food, space, air and anything else you take up/use. If you bitch about being fat but do nothing about it then try to pay to get thin then you need to be put in a cannon (We'd need to invent one to stick your fat asses in) and launch you into space. I can't stress enough how pissed you whingey fat people make me.

:rolleyes: I didn't hyjack the subject of the thread, I just pointed out a major falacy in a statement you made....


...did I hit a nerve?
The subject of the thread is, "if they have a sticker and can park there, is it "right" for them to park there?" Whether or not it's legal is, I think, beyond the scope of the question. I could be wrong.

Aw, did I hit a nerve too? I must have, for you to begin with the snippy elitist "oh, you're just biased" argument.
Well, I don't see anything more substantial in the argument, as presented.

God damn fat ****s. If you don't have a genetic condition then you really need to be hit really hard in the face. Being fat is not being handicapped. Your are just a lazy waste of food, space, air and anything else you take up/use. If you bitch about being fat but do nothing about it then try to pay to get thin then you need to be put in a cannon (We'd need to invent one to stick your fat asses in) and launch you into space. I can't stress enough how pissed you whingey fat people make me.
Precisely.

You know, I really hate arguments where the other person doesn't even know what's going on, so this is my last post on the subject with you, Willamena.

No; I actually did respond, and now am responding to the second hypothetical question.

You responded to my first hypothetical question - whether I, a non-handicapped person who had a handicapped sticker in my possession, could fraudulently park at a handicapped space - affirmatively.

To which I responded that you support fraud.

Since you support fraud, it doesn't matter if these fat people are as fraudulent as I hypothetically was; either way you support their right to park in a handicap space.

The subject of the thread is, "if they have a sticker and can park there, is it "right" for them to park there?" Whether or not it's legal is, I think, beyond the scope of the question. I could be wrong.Grow up, threads in this forum are lucky to stay on subject for a page or two and then they evolve. You're really splitting hairs (and I mean finely..) by saying a legal definition is off subject in a discussion about whether it's 'right' or not...

Once again I ask evidence, and no Wikipedia doesn't count. Only articles from the medical field will be accepted.

Evidence of what ? That such medication exists or that they used it ?
For the first, just ask your local GP or hospital. Anti-rheuma and several drugs to keep psychotic people calm would be a good start of your long, long day.

For the second - no, I do not have evidence, since I do not know those people. Based on the content of their shopping trolly I in fact tend to agree with you. Doesn't stop me from stating possibilities and considering alternatives though.

Evidence of what ? That such medication exists or that they used it ?
For the first, just ask your local GP or hospital. Anti-rheuma and several drugs to keep psychotic people calm would be a good start of your long, long day.

For the second - no, I do not have evidence, since I do not know those people. Based on the content of their shopping trolly I in fact tend to agree with you. Doesn't stop me from stating possibilities and considering alternatives though.

Evidence that such medication exist.

You know, I really hate arguments where the other person doesn't even know what's going on, so this is my last post on the subject with you, Willamena.



You responded to my first hypothetical question - whether I, a non-handicapped person who had a handicapped sticker in my possession, could fraudulently park at a handicapped space - affirmatively.

To which I responded that you support fraud.

Since you support fraud, it doesn't matter if these fat people are as fraudulent as I hypothetically was; either way you support their right to park in a handicap space.
Yes; I asked, what makes it fraudulent? And I didn't get an answer.

Are fat people not handicapped? If you can present convincing evidence, other than bias, to support the claim, then I will conceed.

Well, I don't see anything more substantial in the argument, as presented.

You mean, you don't think that when 5% of a given population uses 95% of the resources, that is indicative of anything?

*I am usually much more forgiving, but because all these fat fuckers broke all my damn carts, I have to replace them all. And that comes out of my bonus. So now they are costing me money. Which I don't like. At all. So I want to install extremely loud beepers onto my new carts if they go over their rated weight limit. They will sound like air raid sirens. Only louder.*

I love looking up stuff, so for your enjoyment...

G.S. 20-37.5 Handicapped—definitions and parking privileges. (1) “Handicapped” shall mean a person with a mobility impairment who, as determined by a licensed physician; (a) Cannot walk 200 feet without stopping to rest; (b) Cannot walk without the use of, or assistance
from, a brace, cane, crutch, another person, prosthetic device, wheelchair, or other assistive device; (c) Is restricted by lung disease to such an extent that the person’s forced (respiratory) expiratory volume of one second, when measured by spirometry, is less than one liter, or the arterial oxygen tension is less than 60 mm/hg on room air at rest; (d) Uses portable oxygen; (e)
Has a cardiac condition to the extent that the person’s functional limitations are classified in severity as Class lIl or Class IV according to standards set by the American Heart Association; (f) Is severely limited in their ability to walk due to an arthritic, neurological, or orthopedic condition; or (g) Is totally blind or whose vision with glasses is so defective as to prevent the performance of ordinary activity for which eyesight is essential, as certified by a licensed ophthalmologist, optometrist, or the Division of Services for the Blind.

Any person who falls within the definition of handicapped shall be allowed to park for unlimited periods in parking zones restricted as to length of time parking is permitted. This provision has no application to those zones or during times in which the stopping, parking, or standing of all vehicles is prohibited or which are reserved for special types of vehicles. As a condition to this privilege the vehicle shall display a distinguishing license plate or removable windshield placard.

This placard is to be used only for transporting the handicapped to whom issued. It is to be displayed inside the vehicle from the rearview mirror. The placard cannot be used as a substitute license plate.
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/forms/vehicleregistration/download/mvr37a.pdf (Warning, PDF)

Um... nope, being fat isn't a reason to get a placard, at least in North Carolina. Maybe they (or a person in the car) did eat themselves into a state where they could no longer walk 200 feet without stopping for breath. Maybe someone was born with one of the above listed heart conditions, or were legally blind. Or maybe the placard was for grandma who wasn't with them at the time.

Too many options, so I'll have to agree with Cannot think of a name on this one.

Grow up, threads in this forum are lucky to stay on subject for a page or two and then they evolve. You're really splitting hairs (and I mean finely..) by saying a legal definition is off subject in a discussion about whether it's 'right' or not...
Haha! I'm sorry... sticking to a topic is immature? Excuse me.
:rollseyes:

You mean, you don't think that when 5% of a given population uses 95% of the resources, that is indicative of anything?

*I am usually much more forgiving, but because all these fat fuckers broke all my damn carts, I have to replace them all. And that comes out of my bonus. So now they are costing me money. Which I don't like. At all. So I want to install extremely loud beepers onto my new carts if they go over their rated weight limit. They will sound like air raid sirens. Only louder.*

You should make these sirens yell something about being over the maximum load limit, to add a little urgency and humiliation.

I love looking up stuff, so for your enjoyment...


http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/forms/vehicleregistration/download/mvr37a.pdf (Warning, PDF)

Um... nope, being fat isn't a reason to get a placard, at least in North Carolina. Maybe they (or a person in the car) did eat themselves into a state where they could no longer walk 200 feet without stopping for breath. Maybe someone was born with one of the above listed heart conditions, or were legally blind. Or maybe the placard was for grandma who wasn't with them at the time.

Too many options, so I'll have to agree with Cannot think of a name on this one.

The problem is that they used it when they were not qualified to. Also, find me a DMV website that does list obesity as a reason to use the tag. Trust me there are none, these people just don't go up and say "I'm fat, give me a tag." They most commonly use the "Can't walk 200 feet without resting" line to get their tag.

Personally I wouldn't mind the NC DMV putting up a "denied if:" list.

Haha! I'm sorry... sticking to a topic is immature?

No, but chiding someone and dismissing their argument out of hand because it does not fit what you personally believe we should be discussing IS immature.

You mean, you don't think that when 5% of a given population uses 95% of the resources, that is indicative of anything?

*I am usually much more forgiving, but because all these fat fuckers broke all my damn carts, I have to replace them all. And that comes out of my bonus. So now they are costing me money. Which I don't like. At all. So I want to install extremely loud beepers onto my new carts if they go over their rated weight limit. They will sound like air raid sirens. Only louder.*
It is indicative of captialism? (Just guessing, here.)

I love looking up stuff, so for your enjoyment...

:eeks: Eeks! By that definition, I qualify as handicapped. ;)

No, but chiding someone and dismissing their argument out of hand because it does not fit what you personally believe we should be discussing IS immature.

...says the guy with his location listed 'in your little sisters bedroom.'

No, but chiding someone and dismissing their argument out of hand because it does not fit what you personally believe we should be discussing IS immature.
I agree; you should stop doing it.

The problem is not How they got the tag, the problem is that they used it when they were not qualified to. Also, find me a DMV website that does list obesity as a reason to use the tag. Trust me there are none, these people just don't go up and say "I'm fat, give me a tag." They most commonly use the "Can't walk 200 feet without resting" line to get their tag.
No, the problem is that they did get the tag and you, my friend, are making snap judgements that it was their weight that got them the tag that they used. As pointed out, there's too many ways, both legit and illegit, for them to have those tags that it makes getting upset over it pointless.

It could be that one of them suffered from being able to go 200 feet without resting BEFORE getting fat, and that inability to exercise made them so.

Or yeah, they ate themselves into their current shape and medical status, but you have no evidence beyond seeing them get out of a car and a grocery cart to stake your claim that they have abused the system on.

It does sound as if you're pissed about getting cut off for a parking spot and have decided to use them as a target to vent on the Internet. If you're really convinced, why not report the licence to the DMV as an abuser?

If you can't walk 200 feet without taking a breath, instead of getting a tag they should send 3 C-3 Hercules to pick you up and cart you to a fat camp. No problems now. Other than the fact your family just broke a plane.

I agree; you should stop doing it.

You have crossed from the realm of "liberal person I disagree with" to "refuses to utilize logic or higher brain functions" to "resorts to childlike attacks out of futility" with blinding speed.

It does show you do not wish to comment on my observed phenomena. Which is ok, since you refuse to discuss something not mentioned in the original post.

I am bailing on this thread, in order to resist the urge to engage in the flame-war you are attempting to bait me into.

:eeks: Eeks! By that definition, I qualify as handicapped. ;)
At least in North Carolina. ;)

Could be worse though, in Japan, NO ONE follows the disabled parking laws. I don't know how many times I've seen sports cars park there and a 20 something kid gets out.

No, the problem is that they did get the tag and you, my friend, are making snap judgements that it was their weight that got them the tag that they used. As pointed out, there's too many ways, both legit and illegit, for them to have those tags that it makes getting upset over it pointless.

It's not pointless when you need that space because of pre-existing condition prevents you from walking far distance without hurting.


It could be that one of them suffered from being able to go 200 feet without resting BEFORE getting fat, and that inability to exercise made them so.


They seem fine walking without the use of cane, walkers, wheelchair anything. They had NO trouble walking into the store and walking out with two cart loads of food. That kind of hurt the crediability that they may be suffering from a pre-existing condition here.


Or yeah, they ate themselves into their current shape and medical status, but you have no evidence beyond seeing them get out of a car and a grocery cart to stake your claim that they have abused the system on.

Like I said, I never saw a fat baby, and theres only one way to get fat.


It does sound as if you're pissed about getting cut off for a parking spot and have decided to use them as a target to vent on the Internet. If you're really convinced, why not report the licence to the DMV as an abuser?

Damn right I'm pissed. I'm pissed because it was OBVIOUS to everyone that I had the intention of parking in that spot. Then they just cut me off. So yea, you're right, I am pissed about that. And what good would it do to report them? They got a tag, very little I can do.

Haha! I'm sorry... sticking to a topic is immature? Excuse me.
:rollseyes:Like I said, Grow up.

Look, follow the chain of posts... You posted #40, Santa Barbara quoted you and asked a question with a hypothetical situation in #42, and you replied with a blanket (and totally wrong) statement in #45. Santa Barbara caught it and called you to task on it in #48 as I did in #53. A legitamate chain of discusion and not off subject for the thread.

After that you got snippy... hmmm... wonder why...

Oh, there's one other possibility.

They could be afflicted with Little Coat Syndrome.

http://chrisfarleycoat.ytmnd.com/

At least in North Carolina. ;)

Could be worse though, in Japan, NO ONE follows the disabled parking laws. I don't know how many times I've seen sports cars park there and a 20 something kid gets out.

Thats another problem, rich asians kids going to English countries and taking up spots in the universities. Heres an idea, its called a hand. It will stop the amount of child births and elminate the need to go to other countries. (No I'm not racist. Don't get started...)

Haven't read the whole thread, but in this same line, Why do they have special parking for pregnamt women? When my wife was preg the doctor recomended exercise and she swam nearly every day, including the day our son was born. The idea of special spots is getting crazy.

If you can't walk 200 feet without taking a breath, instead of getting a tag they should send 3 C-3 Hercules to pick you up and cart you to a fat camp. No problems now. Other than the fact your family just broke a plane.

and a multi-million plane at that.

Oh, there's one other possibility.

They could be afflicted with Little Coat Syndrome.

http://chrisfarleycoat.ytmnd.com/

LOL that's funny.

Haven't read the whole thread, but in this same line, Why do they have special parking for pregnamt women? When my wife was preg the doctor recomended exercise and she swam nearly every day, including the day our son was born. The idea of special spots is getting crazy.

the closer you are to the store lobby, the less likely you are to get womb juice all over the parking lot.

Haven't read the whole thread, but in this same line, Why do they have special parking for pregnamt women? When my wife was preg the doctor recomended exercise and she swam nearly every day, including the day our son was born. The idea of special spots is getting crazy.

Because their is little gravity in water. The pressure of carting around a baby is very demanding on their back, so walking around a shopping mall/centre can give them severe back pains.. I'm glad I don't get pregnant! :P

You have crossed from the realm of "liberal person I disagree with" to "refuses to utilize logic or higher brain functions" to "resorts to childlike attacks out of futility" with blinding speed.

It does show you do not wish to comment on my observed phenomena. Which is ok, since you refuse to discuss something not mentioned in the original post.

I am bailing on this thread, in order to resist the urge to engage in the flame-war you are attempting to bait me into.
I am not a "liberal person".

But I think Nervun said it best in post #89.

Goodnight.

I went to Wal-Mart today because I needed some food. Now I am handicapped and I have a handicapp tag. I was born handicapped. I was about to pull into this space when a car cut me off and got into my space. Out came 3 fat people, a mom, dad and a son. Of course they had the tag. But why do they need the tag? They wern't born hadicapped. They ate handicapped. Why do fat people need these things? What, is it because they get short of breath after walking 50 feet? Well yea, that's because you're body is trying to tell you that you WEIGH TOO MUCH! The body cannot support the weight that you ate. Of course everyone favorite argument is "Well some people have a fatness disease, or some people were born fat." Ok you know what, that's false. When I was little my mom used to work in a nursery, and sometimes I would go to the nusery with her. I never once saw a fat baby. Also, I don't buy the fact that sometimes people are just fat. That's bullshit, if that was true, then where was it back in the 50's?? Face it, you're fat because you put in more food than what came out. It's your own damn fault that you're fat, stop trying to blame it on other things. If I was in charge of the handicapp tag, I would only give it to people who were either born handicapped or who became handicapped either by accident/war/disease/old age etc. Fat people will get a "Fat ass" tag. Oh they'll have their own spot. However, their spots will be at the other end of the parking lot. Oh yes, they will have to walk the farthest because trust me, they need the excercise. If any of them try to cheat with the stupid little power cart, I'll personally slash that cart's tire. So in conclusion, fat people, you need to stop parking in the handicapp space!

Just because you are gimpy why do YOU get special treatment? The handicapped keep bitching about "wanting equal treatment" but what you really want is to be better than everyone else. You want to be seen as an equal? Park your ass at the end of the parking lot like everyone else and quit your whining.

Just because you are gimpy why do YOU get special treatment? The handicapped keep bitching about "wanting equal treatment" but what you really want is to be better than everyone else. You want to be seen as an equal? Park your ass at the end of the parking lot like everyone else and quit your whining.

Ok 1. You have no right to use the word "Gimpy". Just like I have no right to use the word ******. And, no I do not want special treatment. The problem here is I have no lower leg muscle. Hence the reason for me needing the space. I can walk just fine, hell I play football (NFL style) with friends sometimes, but after a while my legs and ankles do hurt and I need a rest. Handicapped people do want equal treatment, We do want a fair chance in life, but some of us do need to park closer to building mainly because of pre-existing conditions.

Like I said, Grow up.

Look, follow the chain of posts... You posted #40, Santa Barbara quoted you and asked a question with a hypothetical situation in #42, and you replied with a blanket (and totally wrong) statement in #45. Santa Barbara caught it and called you to task on it in #48 as I did in #53. A legitamate chain of discusion and not off subject for the thread.

After that you got snippy... hmmm... wonder why...
Wrong???

I responded with an opinion, which is what was called for in post #42.

If he wanted a legal opinion, I'm sure he would have asked for it.

Now; explain to me how my opinion is "wrong".

Just because you are gimpy why do YOU get special treatment? The handicapped keep bitching about "wanting equal treatment" but what you really want is to be better than everyone else. You want to be seen as an equal? Park your ass at the end of the parking lot like everyone else and quit your whining.

Howzabout we bust your kneecaps and test the theory?

Howzabout we bust your kneecaps and test the theory?Yes! Lets do that.

*snip* So I want to install extremely loud beepers onto my new carts if they go over their rated weight limit. They will sound like air raid sirens. Only louder.*
A "plead for mercy" sound byte followed by a stomach turning, blood chilling scream of horror that turns into a choking, coughing moan as it dies.
You may scare away the rest of your customers but it would be priceless to watch:p

Just because you are gimpy why do YOU get special treatment? The handicapped keep bitching about "wanting equal treatment" but what you really want is to be better than everyone else. You want to be seen as an equal? Park your ass at the end of the parking lot like everyone else and quit your whining.

Quoted for the truth but I don't think he is bitching about not getting the spot. Maybe if it was some ACTUALLY disabled and not just a fat lazy sack of crap Stoney would not be here whining someone stole his spot. People are missing the point. Its not that he didn't get his spot it was the fact that someone un-deserving got it

A "plead for mercy" sound byte followed by a stomach turning, blood chilling scream of horror that turns into a choking, coughing moan as it dies.
You may scare away the rest of your customers but it would be priceless to watch:p

Hell I would PAY to watch that! I would also video tape it and send it to every news company and home video TV shows in the world.

Wrong???

I responded with an opinion, which is what was called for in post #42.

If he wanted a legal opinion, I'm sure he would have asked for it.

Now; explain to me how my opinion is "wrong".He asked if you would support his stated fraudulent use of a placard, you responded with "If you have the sticker, you can park in the handicap spot." I can call your opinion wrong because 1) You didn't phrase it as an opinion but what was more like a statement of fact, and 2) It's NS general! It's what we do here you twit!
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Quoted for the truth but I don't think he is bitching about not getting the spot. Maybe if it was some ACTUALLY disabled and not just a fat lazy sack of crap Stoney would not be here whining someone stole his spot. People are missing the point. Its not that he didn't get his spot it was the fact that someone un-deserving got it

He's/She's right.

He asked if you would support his stated fraudulent use of a placard, you responded with "If you have the sticker, you can park in the handicap spot." I can call your opinion wrong because 1) You didn't phrase it as an opinion but what was more like a statement of fact, and 2) It's NS general! It's what we do here you twit!
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It was (and is) phrased as my opinion.

If you fail to recognize that, that's your problem.

And yes, it's NS General; opinions are what we do here.

It's not pointless when you need that space because of pre-existing condition prevents you from walking far distance without hurting.
It is when we do not know if they really qualify or not.

They seem fine walking without the use of cane, walkers, wheelchair anything. They had NO trouble walking into the store and walking out with two cart loads of food. That kind of hurt the crediability that they may be suffering from a pre-existing condition here.
Then perhaps they were cheating, perhaps the placard was for grandma, perhaps they had a heart condition (which CAN and IS a birth defect, I almost lost my step-father, twice, to one so don't start on that). Again, too many reasonable doubts.

Like I said, I never saw a fat baby, and theres only one way to get fat.
Yes, and I saw my grandmother start to struggle more and more with we weight after she broke her hip and was unable to walk as well as she once did. My point being that it can be very hard to keep in shape if something prevents your movements (as I'm sure you are far more well aware than I).

Damn right I'm pissed. I'm pissed because it was OBVIOUS to everyone that I had the intention of parking in that spot. Then they just cut me off. So yea, you're right, I am pissed about that. And what good would it do to report them? They got a tag, very little I can do.
That's what I thought, and I'd say you have every right to be so for getting cut off, but why not complain about how rude they were as drivers, and how bad, instead of accusing them of abusing the system due to their weight?

And I'm not sure about North Carolina, but the Nevada DMV takes complaints about abuse of a placard very seriously and checks into it.

Thats another problem, rich asians kids going to English countries and taking up spots in the universities. Heres an idea, its called a hand. It will stop the amount of child births and elminate the need to go to other countries. (No I'm not racist. Don't get started...)
何だHELL? WTF does that have to do with the price of beans (or even mean)?

It is when we do not know if they really qualify or not.

Everything that I saw, pointed to them not being qualified.


Then perhaps they were cheating, perhaps the placard was for grandma,

If the tag was for grandma, then why are they using it? That is called FRAUD.


perhaps they had a heart condition (which CAN and IS a birth defect, I almost lost my step-father, twice, to one so don't start on that). Again, too many reasonable doubts.

Why would someone with a heart condition put their heart in futher risk by eating like that?


Yes, and I saw my grandmother start to struggle more and more with we weight after she broke her hip and was unable to walk as well as she once did. My point being that it can be very hard to keep in shape if something prevents your movements (as I'm sure you are far more well aware than I).


Yes but the majority of those people adjust their eating habits. They don't gorged on fatty food and meat.


That's what I thought, and I'd say you have every right to be so for getting cut off, but why not complain about how rude they were as drivers, and how bad, instead of accusing them of abusing the system due to their weight?

Because I was expecting a guy in a wheelchair. Now if it WAS a guy in a wheelchair, I would just find another spot, I wouldn't have any problem since he can't walk and I can. If it was a guy in a wheelchair I would just go about my merry way. But it wasn't and that why this post exist. The problem is not that someone stole the spot, the problem is that someone who was abusing the system stole the spot.

Yea, pretty much. See my problem is, is that these spots should be reserved for people who are handicapped and they didn't do it to themselves. Why should fatass get a spot just because he lacked the self discipline needed to not stuff his face with junk food and meat? I've seen old people walking from in the middle of the parking lot up to the front. Hell one time I gave them a ride up to the front. Fat people ate themselves handicapped and because they brought the problem upon themselves, they should be denied the space. Plus, the walking would be good for them.

The spots should be for people who are handicapped and didn't do it to themselves? Ok, so just for argument's sake, imagine a reckless driver. And imagine this driver caused an accident, putting his car against a tree for example. And imagine further that he survived the accident, but is now paralysed. There's no doubt he brought that onto himself, is there? According to your take on who should get a handicapped parking place and who shouldn't, he definitely would disqualify then, right?

Everything that I saw, pointed to them not being qualified.
A medical doctor are you now? With the ability to made snap medical decisions just by looking at someone? Cool!

If the tag was for grandma, then why are they using it? That is called FRAUD.
Yup, and very reportable.

Why would someone with a heart condition put their heart in futher risk by eating like that?
Assuming the food was for them, damned if I know. Humans aren't too smart after all. I don't know how many people I've seen on oxygen who still smoke a pack or two a day.

Yes but the majority of those people adjust their eating habits. They don't gorged on fatty food and meat.
Majority yes, but not all. Again, no one said they're smart. If they did have a pre-existing health condition, they are making it worse and that isn't smart at all.

Because I was expecting a guy in a wheelchair. Now if it WAS a guy in a wheelchair, I would just find another spot, I wouldn't have any problem since he can't walk and I can. If it was a guy in a wheelchair I would just go about my merry way. But it wasn't and that why this post exist. The problem is not that someone stole the spot, the problem is that someone who was abusing the system stole the spot.
No, it was someone whom you THINK was abusing the system stole a spot YOU were going to park at. If it were somone who's slim and trim, you'd get my agreement. If you wrote about how they were rude obnoxious bastards for stealing your spot, you'd get my agreement, but stating as a fact that they have abused the system when you do not know, attacking them on their weight... well... that's a different kettle of fish.

The spots should be for people who are handicapped and didn't do it to themselves? Ok, so just for argument's sake, imagine a reckless driver. And imagine this driver caused an accident, putting his car against a tree for example. And imagine further that he survived the accident, but is now paralysed. There's no doubt he brought that onto himself, is there? According to your take on who should get a handicapped parking place and who shouldn't, he definitely would disqualify then, right?

Well even though he did bring it upon himself, the simple fact that it's hard to fit a wheelchair between two cars in the regular spot warrents the tag. Also, he would fit under the guidelines for those who are qualified for the tag, so he wouldn't be abusing the system.

Because I was expecting a guy in wheelchair.
Oh, my Brad! He didn't meet your expectations.

Now if it WAS a guy in a wheelchair, I would just find another spot, I wouldn't have any problem since he can't walk and I can. If it was a guy in a wheelchair I would just go about my merry way.
So, the machine assistance is what makes it for you?

A medical doctor are you now? With the ability to made snap medical decisions just by looking at someone? Cool!

Theree large people got out of the car. They go in, They walked just fine, even looked both way for traffic. They waved and say hey to strangers on the street. They pretty much walked at a normal rate for a human being. They go in, shop, and then bring out 2 carts of food. Both of htem halfway filled with junk food and stuff that is unhealthy. That is what I say. Now if you saw what I saw, what would be your conclusion?


Yup, and very reportable.


yep


Assuming the food was for them, damned if I know. Humans aren't too smart after all. I don't know how many people I've seen on oxygen who still smoke a pack or two a day.


I hear ya.


Majority yes, but not all. Again, no one said they're smart. If they did have a pre-existing health condition, they are making it worse and that isn't smart at all.


Something we agree on.


No, it was someone whom you THINK was abusing the system stole a spot YOU were going to park at. If it were somone who's slim and trim, you'd get my agreement. If you wrote about how they were rude obnoxious bastards for stealing your spot, you'd get my agreement, but stating as a fact that they have abused the system when you do not know, attacking them on their weight... well... that's a different kettle of fish.

But wait, what if the slim and trim person had a heart problem? What if he had a pre-exisiting condition? He may have leg braces that are conceled by his pants. And yes I do attack them on their weight because this is not the only time I've seen this. I've seen this too many times and I'm fed up with it.

Oh, my Brad! He didn't meet your expectations.


So, the machine assistance is what makes it for you?

No, what makes it for me is that a person must fit the criteria for the space. If it was a guy who was walking slow, I wouldn't complain. If it was a guy who had a heart condition and he was fit, I wouldn't complain. If their handicapps were pre-existant I wouldn't complain.

What a sunshine story Stone! While I see your point, there is the possibility that they were handicapped in a way which made it harder for them to walk(doesn't sound so from your description, but what do I know), thus making them fat since they were eating the wrong food. They might have got the tag legally, but being stupid, they'd be eating like Grape's. My theory.

Obesity is the ultimate irony.

Well even though he did bring it upon himself, the simple fact that it's hard to fit a wheelchair between two cars in the regular spot warrents the tag. Also, he would fit under the guidelines for those who are qualified for the tag, so he wouldn't be abusing the system.

I'm playing devil's advocate here, as I personally believe that obesity should not be treated as a regular handicap, but do you think a really obese person finds it so much easier to fit between two cars?

And yes, obesity has a way of sneaking up on you. I'm overweighted myself, I became overweighted in my teens. Yes, I ate too much. Seriously too much. Insanely. Why? Because I was seriously depressed, because eating too much hurt, and because I needed that pain at that time. Besides, it was the only way I saw of keeping my father from touching me. Then my mother started putting me on diets, which made matters even worse, because once I started to eat normal again (and I mean normal, as in 1700 kalories a day) I regained all the weight I had lost, plus an additional few kilos each time.
I do have a somparatively healthy lifestyle today, I eat very little meat, lots of fresh fruit and vegetables, I don't even own a car but walk or take the bus, and I work out once a week. And guess what? I'm not losing any weight. To do that, I would have to put myself on a permanent diet of no more than 1000 kalories a day and to keep that up for the rest of my life. I'd rather live with my fat, thank you.

But back to your case: Yes, they did bring it onto themselves. And if there is a law in your country that allows for them to get qualified for handicapped parking because they cannot walk far any more for whatever reason, you may want to attack that law rather than the people who simply made use of it, the same way you do.

I'm playing devil's advocate here, as I personally believe that obesity should not be treated as a regular handicap, but do you think a really obese person finds it so much easier to fit between two cars?

Probably not, but which has the most urgent need for the space. The guy in the wheelchair or the obesed guy?


But back to your case: Yes, they did bring it onto themselves. And if there is a law in your country that allows for them to get qualified for handicapped parking because they cannot walk far any more for whatever reason, you may want to attack that law rather than the people who simply made use of it, the same way you do.

Yes, but the law wasn't suspose to be disected that way. It was suspose to be taken in the whole. Only people who want to cheat the system disect it like that.

Probably not, but which has the most urgent need for the space. The guy in the wheelchair or the obesed guy?

Society seems conditioned to pity the guy in the wheelchair and to be disgusted by the fat guy, although they both might have caused their condition themselves. Considering that the obese guy might suffer from severe heart condition and problems with his bones and joints, whereas the wheelchair guy might otherwise be fit as a fiddle, I'd say the obese guy.


Yes, but the law wasn't suspose to be disected that way. It was suspose to be taken in the whole. Only people who want to cheat the system disect it like that.

The thing about laws is, if you don't make them 100% clear and amend them regularly, they are open to interpretation. So your grudge really is with the insufficient clarity of that particular law rather than with a group of people who, although indisputably rude, are behaving well within it.

Haven't read the whole thread, but in this same line, Why do they have special parking for pregnamt women? When my wife was preg the doctor recomended exercise and she swam nearly every day, including the day our son was born. The idea of special spots is getting crazy.
Some women have difficult pregnancies. One girl I worked with was forced to take maternity leave early, at like 5 months and confined to bed rest for quite some time not too long afterwards.

okay this thred disgusts me.

Just because they were overweight doesn't mean that they didn't have some type of handicap. Maybe they have heart problems, or high blood pressure, or bad knees.

I don't buy the excuse that "if they weren't fat then it wouldn't be that way so they shouldn't get any special treatment", it doesn't really matter to me what caused your disability, if you are disabled you shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else.

I hurt my knee skateboarding when I was a teenager, pretty badly. I probably wouldn't have hurt it if I hadn't been "under the influence" at the time, does that mean that my knee injury doesn't affect my life? should I be treated like less of a person because I was irresponisble and that led to my disability?

For the record, even though my doctor tries to push it on me, I don't have one of those handicapped thingys. My mom does, she is obese, and people give her dirty looks, her handicap is unrelated to her weight and isn't something you can see by looking at her, she has a foot problem that has taken about 9 surgeries to try to repair, and she is unable to walk more than 50 feet without resting because of the horrible shape her foot is in, which throws off her balance and hurts her back too.

It is irresponsible to believe that you can discern someone's disability or lack of by looking for walkers, canes, seeing eye dogs, or crutches.

I went to Wal-Mart today because I needed some food. Now I am handicapped and I have a handicapp tag. I was born handicapped. I was about to pull into this space when a car cut me off and got into my space. Out came 3 fat people, a mom, dad and a son. Of course they had the tag. But why do they need the tag? They wern't born hadicapped. They ate handicapped. Why do fat people need these things? What, is it because they get short of breath after walking 50 feet? Well yea, that's because you're body is trying to tell you that you WEIGH TOO MUCH! The body cannot support the weight that you ate. Of course everyone favorite argument is "Well some people have a fatness disease, or some people were born fat." Ok you know what, that's false. When I was little my mom used to work in a nursery, and sometimes I would go to the nusery with her. I never once saw a fat baby. Also, I don't buy the fact that sometimes people are just fat. That's bullshit, if that was true, then where was it back in the 50's?? Face it, you're fat because you put in more food than what came out. It's your own damn fault that you're fat, stop trying to blame it on other things. If I was in charge of the handicapp tag, I would only give it to people who were either born handicapped or who became handicapped either by accident/war/disease/old age etc. Fat people will get a "Fat ass" tag. Oh they'll have their own spot. However, their spots will be at the other end of the parking lot. Oh yes, they will have to walk the farthest because trust me, they need the excercise. If any of them try to cheat with the stupid little power cart, I'll personally slash that cart's tire. So in conclusion, fat people, you need to stop parking in the handicapp space!

Well, Yeah i have to agree, couse they had a choice, if they were fat that is and not something else also, no one asked you if you wanted, well what ever is the problem you were born with........

It should be illegal to give fat people handicapped spots, if anything, the walk will be good for them.
Pretty much sums it up.

Well, Yeah i have to agree, couse they had a choice, if they were fat that is and not something else also, no one asked you if you wanted, well what ever is the problem you were born with........

Yea, but the diffrence is I can't help what I have, they can.

You could just let the air out of them. You'll be long gone before anyone notices. >^_^<
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Yea, umm these were a young family. I doubt arthritis has set in yet. Face it they got the damn tag because they were too damn lazy to walk an extra 20 feet.My step-mum has had arthritis since she was seven years old. Arthritis makes it hard to exercise, and easy to get fat. And it runs in families.
We have no way of knowing whether the family had disabilities that caused their obesity, or disabilities that were caused by the obesity, but since we don't know, let's all give them the benifit of the doubt, eh? Don't make stupid assumptions based on appearance.

The family seemed fine to me since they were all talking and no one had a seeing eye dog or a cane. They could have a heart problem but comon, they brought that upon themselves.



I have a mom who's a head nurse in her department, she was a nurse ever since she was 18 (she's now 50), she has NEVER heard of the "fat gene" and doesn't believe it exist. She has a Master as well as experience in the medical field. I'm inclinde to believe her on this. Also, like I said, they may have heart problems, but they brought that upon themselves.

Lol your claim to expertise is you have a nurse for a mom ... wow
Flashbacks to elementry school and "my dad is stronger then your's" days

Lol my mom has been a nurse sense 71 ... doesent qualify me to make any sort of medical decision or interpretation lol

Once again I ask evidence, and no Wikipedia doesn't count. Only articles from the medical field will be accepted.How about the pamphlets that have come with almost every anti-depressant that I have taken (and there have been a few) stating that "possible side effects include weight gain, loss of libido...". Stop being such an ass about sources. Do your own research.

How about the pamphlets that have come with almost every anti-depressant that I have taken (and there have been a few) stating that "possible side effects include weight gain, loss of libido...". Stop being such an ass about sources. Do your own research.

Did it say how much weight you would gain?

My step-mum has had arthritis since she was seven years old. Arthritis makes it hard to exercise, and easy to get fat. And it runs in families.
We have no way of knowing whether the family had disabilities that caused their obesity, or disabilities that were caused by the obesity, but since we don't know, let's all give them the benifit of the doubt, eh? Don't make stupid assumptions based on appearance.


and once again, they walked in and out at a normal rate. They walked just as fast as a normal person walk, and they were able to pull 2 full carts out without any problem. Not to mention loading them into their car without any sign of trouble. I think it's safe to rule out Arthiritis. Either that or they're on some good pain killers. I want the pain killers.

and once again, they walked in and out at a normal rate. They walked just as fast as a normal person walk, and they were able to pull 2 full carts out without any problem. Not to mention loading them into their car without any sign of trouble. I think it's safe to rule out Arthiritis. Either that or they're on some good pain killers. I want the pain killers.
MY GF is able to walk again after double hip replacement (she was the worlds youngest) after having hundred percent arthritis from age 4 (she had the hip replacement at age 12 I want to say but that was before I knew her)

But she was never very "big" to start with so I dont know how it would reflect on weight gain or lack thereof ... she has been about the same throughought

Theree large people got out of the car. They go in, They walked just fine, even looked both way for traffic. They waved and say hey to strangers on the street. They pretty much walked at a normal rate for a human being. They go in, shop, and then bring out 2 carts of food. Both of htem halfway filled with junk food and stuff that is unhealthy. That is what I say. Now if you saw what I saw, what would be your conclusion?

That I am not a qualified medical practitioner and even if I was I would not have enough information to make a medical diagnosis. But then, I don't need to create a scenario so I can grind an axe...

That's nice, prove it. and no you can't use Wikipedia article. I'll only accept articles that were written by someone in the medical field.

Ok, since it was obviously too much effort for you to check up the facts before ranting here, here's one article I found:

http://www.gsdl.com/home/assessments/finddisease/weight/thyroid.html

Hypothyroidism occurs when the thyroid gland does not produce enough "energy-generating" thyroid hormones. Weight gain is a classic symptom of this dysfunction. In such cases, levels of thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) may rise in an attempt to spur more production and secretion of thyroid hormones from the thyroid gland.

In addition, overweight women with a family history of obesity may have lower levels of the thyroid hormone free triiodothyronine (T3) in their blood.1 Treatments to raise T3 levels may help reduce some metabolic risk factors associated with abdominal obesity in some overweight women.

Ok, since it was obviously too much effort for you to check up the facts before ranting here, here's one article I found:

http://www.gsdl.com/home/assessments/finddisease/weight/thyroid.html
Might be Cushings Syndrome but the chances of seeing three people with Cushings in one place is very improbable.Could be Metabolic Syndrome.But then again improbable.I'd have to hazard a guess and say the most probable cause is eating the contents of that shopping cart on a regular basis.

I have heard of a syndrome where you are literally constantly in a state of hunger and will just stop at nothing to eat what you want. It's usually fatal, as if you give them any free will they will probably eat themselves to death, so unless you want to control what they eat all their lives they usually die early.

However, that's a very rare condition, and it's a pity that people who are just obese because they are weak willed blame it on some kind of medical problem when there really are people who suffer from such a thing. It's especially annoying over here and in other countries with socialised healthcare, since not only do obese people take up extra space, make other people accomodate for them etc, but they are draining money from the NHS by neglecting their health. At least with smokers they've paid more tax on their cigarettes to help pay for their ill health, but not so with the obese.

Might be Cushings Syndrome but the chances of seeing three people with Cushings in one place is very improbable.Could be Metabolic Syndrome.But then again improbable.I'd have to hazard a guess and say the most probable cause is eating the contents of that shopping cart on a regular basis.

I don't think it is a condition that all the passengers of the car have to be handicapped to be allowed to park on that space? One person would suffice, I always thought?

Anyway, I'm not trying to defend lazyness. But I don't particularly like arrogance either, and to assume that none of them had a legitimate claim to a handicapped parking space solely based on their appearance and their weight is arrogant beyond belief.

The family seemed fine to me since they were all talking and no one had a seeing eye dog or a cane. My apologies if this has been said already, but you seem to assume from this statement that anyone who is blind or deaf is completely blind or deaf.

My boyfriend is completely blind in one of his eyes and has only about half normal vision in the other. But because he has some vision, he doesn't have an entitlement to a guide dog or a blind cane (and even if he could claim one, he wouldn't want to as he is very independent, but that's beside the point). Of the friends he has that have sight problems, few of them are completely blind and only one has a guide dog. As for hearing, again, not all deaf people are completely deaf - some have hearing aids, which may be fine for normal conversation, but not good for picking up everything.

I think it's great that provision is made for people in wheelchairs and whatnot, I really do. But I also think it's dispicable that people always ignore this kind of thing. For example, my boyfriend and some of his visually impaired friends were away recently and nearly missed the plane home cos they couldn't read the noticeboards and many UK airports have stopped announcing flight callings. And there's no point in declaring you need assistance due to that kind of a disability (if you can manage at all), cos then things like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4337162.stm) happen :rolleyes:

All this said, I am not criticising your original point; I just get irritated when people assume folks like my boyfriend are able-bodied scroungers because there is little physical evidence of their disability. If people are fat because they choose to eat themselves fat, then it's their problem. To be fair, there are some fat people who have conditions that drive up their weight, but I appreciate that these aren't common.

I don't think it is a condition that all the passengers of the car have to be handicapped to be allowed to park on that space? One person would suffice, I always thought?

Anyway, I'm not trying to defend lazyness. But I don't particularly like arrogance either, and to assume that none of them had a legitimate claim to a handicapped parking space solely based on their appearance and their weight is arrogant beyond belief.
Point conceded.Who knows what condition someone might have that is completly unrelated to their weight.

Did it say how much weight you would gain?
no, just like it doesn't say how much vomit you can expect when a side effect is vomiting.


Some people are on these drugs for the rest of their lives, they don't gain weight because they eat too much they gain because these drugs mess with your brain chemicals and screw up your metabolism.

I gained 90 pounds because of medication, I quit taking it, and because my metabolism was still screwed up, and now I was depressed and didn't want to do anything, I gained 30 more. 120 pounds overweight, morbidly obese. I eat 1000 calories a day, and still haven't lost any weight, my doctor says I have to wait out my metabolism.

Is it my fault that I am fat? probably. I shouldn't have been born into a family with mental health issues, or I shouldn't have tried to get help for mine, oh wait maybe I could just quit eating all together.

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I don't think it is a condition that all the passengers of the car have to be handicapped to be allowed to park on that space? One person would suffice, I always thought?

Anyway, I'm not trying to defend lazyness. But I don't particularly like arrogance either, and to assume that none of them had a legitimate claim to a handicapped parking space solely based on their appearance and their weight is arrogant beyond belief.no, you don't need all Passengers be handicapped to use the card. but the Handicapped Parking card can only be used if the handicapped person is a passenger/driver of the car. the sticker is if the Handicapped person is the driver/owner of the car. if they had the card, but not the sticker, then one of them better be handicapped.

Isn't being fat technically having a space handicap?

They wern't born hadicapped. They ate handicapped.
lol. You know, the more I read that, the funnier it got. It's obvious……they need to be able to open the car doors all the way!
Seriously though, we see that sort of thing all the time don't we? In the UK there are no laws that dictate disabled parking spaces in supermarket car parks are only to be used by disabled people, only that they must be provided. It's not a fat issue really is it, it's whether the person requires the spot. When I see this sort of thing happen over here I say to myself 'If they need the spot, they need it, if they don't need the spot, they will have something to reflect on when they get to the point in life that they do (and they will) and find someone is abusing it'

*snip*A fair point. I'm in pretty much the same boat. I take two forms of medication that have the unfortunate side effect of weight gain. Admittedly, I don't do much - if anything - to help myself as far as the weight issues go, but even if I did, I'd still be rather overweight. I need these tablets; I'd be constantly depressed and physically ill if I didn't have them.

I'm not claiming disabled parking because of my weight (I don't even know whether I could here or not, but I think so), and I do think that it would be unfair for many fat people (ie. the ones that have simply ate too much crap) to do so. But, as with anything, there are exceptions to the rule. If you need tablets that have the unfortunate side effect of weight gain to live a normal life, in my opinion this should probably be one of them. It's not always the individual's fault.

Isn't being fat technically having a space handicap?
And a gravity one. :)

A fair point. I'm in pretty much the same boat. I take two forms of medication that have the unfortunate side effect of weight gain. Admittedly, I don't do much - if anything - to help myself as far as the weight issues go, but even if I did, I'd still be rather overweight. I need these tablets; I'd be constantly depressed and physically ill if I didn't have them.

I'm not claiming disabled parking because of my weight (I don't even know whether I could here or not, but I think so), and I do think that it would be unfair for many fat people (ie. the ones that have simply ate too much crap) to do so. But, as with anything, there are exceptions to the rule. If you need tablets that have the unfortunate side effect of weight gain to live a normal life, in my opinion this should probably be one of them. It's not always the individual's fault.

I was probably just annoyed with him, anyway, if you are disabled then you are, it shouldn't matter how it happened. Picking and choosing which disabled people get help and which don't based on "what you think is fair" is discrimination.

I don't believe for a second that people who aren't disabled should get disability tags, but they do sometimes. I don't believe for a second that anyone can discern someone elses disability or lack therof by watching them at the supermarket.

I probably could get a handicapped tag, because of my weight and definately could because of a non-weight related disability that I have, I don't because I feel that there are others that need it more. I try not to judge others at all, and I especially try not to judge others based on my own assumptions, when I have no facts at all.

MY GF is able to walk again after double hip replacement (she was the worlds youngest) after having hundred percent arthritis from age 4 (she had the hip replacement at age 12 I want to say but that was before I knew her)

But she was never very "big" to start with so I dont know how it would reflect on weight gain or lack thereof ... she has been about the same throughought
Give your GF a little hope. 35 years ago I went to college with a girl with arthritis in every joint. This was before ramps and elevators in every building. She would set at the bottom or top of the stairs and wait. Along would come some of us guys and carry her up and down (wheel chair and all). She always had a smile and great personality. When graduation time came, they told her to sit at the bottom of the stairs and they would bring her diploma to her. She said "NO", she had made it through college and she would make it on stage. Well just by chance of the alphabet there were two guys just ahead of her and two just behind her. The two ahead got their diplomas and waited at the far stairs. The two behind picked up the chair and carried it up the first stairs. Everyone in the place burst into a standing ovation, as we all knew that regardless of how much we worked she had done double and always with a smile.

A couple years later I was standing in line at a McD's and I heard her voice greet me from behind. I turned to see her STANDING. She had one of the first joint replacements. She had also gotten married.

Since then she has had nearly every joint replaced, raised children, became a grandmother and written about 25 books. (religious historical novels)

She is also the most religious faithful person I've ever known.

Tell your GF to keep the faith, there is hope at the end of the day.

Here's her web site: http://welcome.to/crscheidies

...I try not to judge others at all, and I especially try not to judge others based on my own assumptions, when I have no facts at all.Indeed; you've adeuately summed up the point I was trying to make in my (rather limited) participation in this thread. If one doesn't know the people in question, one doesn't know the circumstances, therefore one cannot make a judgement call on the situation.

IMO there is a vast difference between "Disabled" and Medically Mobility Impared.

When a Broken Leg (mobility impared) can't get you a placard but non-mobility impared "Disabled" can, there is somthing seriously wrong.

The wide, close-in parking spots are there because of mobility issues - not because you have, say, a prosthetic arm or are on Disability because you are Bi-Polar (as is the case with my wife).

Well, here's a thought, it's illegal, but some people do it anyway. Maybe the handicap placard was for an older relative who really was handicapped. Legally, it's not supposed to be used if they're not there, but it is a possibility.

I went to Wal-Mart today because I needed some food. Now I am handicapped and I have a handicapp tag. I was born handicapped. I was about to pull into this space when a car cut me off and got into my space. Out came 3 fat people, a mom, dad and a son. Of course they had the tag. But why do they need the tag? They wern't born hadicapped. They ate handicapped. Why do fat people need these things? What, is it because they get short of breath after walking 50 feet? Well yea, that's because you're body is trying to tell you that you WEIGH TOO MUCH! The body cannot support the weight that you ate. Of course everyone favorite argument is "Well some people have a fatness disease, or some people were born fat." Ok you know what, that's false. When I was little my mom used to work in a nursery, and sometimes I would go to the nusery with her. I never once saw a fat baby. Also, I don't buy the fact that sometimes people are just fat. That's bullshit, if that was true, then where was it back in the 50's?? Face it, you're fat because you put in more food than what came out. It's your own damn fault that you're fat, stop trying to blame it on other things. If I was in charge of the handicapp tag, I would only give it to people who were either born handicapped or who became handicapped either by accident/war/disease/old age etc. Fat people will get a "Fat ass" tag. Oh they'll have their own spot. However, their spots will be at the other end of the parking lot. Oh yes, they will have to walk the farthest because trust me, they need the excercise. If any of them try to cheat with the stupid little power cart, I'll personally slash that cart's tire. So in conclusion, fat people, you need to stop parking in the handicapp space!

Oddly I was talking with someone about this just the other day. Sadly, in our politically correct society, anyone can get themselves labeled as diseased. Since we can't blame anyone for anything (except Rock music) we can't blame people for making themselves fat. No matter what, it's not their fault.

I think fat people should have special tags branded to their cars that make them park in spaces further away. That way they wouldn't be so fat.

Just an opinion...

Oddly I was talking with someone about this just the other day. Sadly, in our politically correct society, anyone can get themselves labeled as diseased. Since we can't blame anyone for anything (except Rock music) we can't blame people for making themselves fat. No matter what, it's not their fault.

I think fat people should have special tags branded to their cars that make them park in spaces further away. That way they wouldn't be so fat.

Just an opinion...
gone for a long time and then come back with that :headbang: Balipo that isn't really how you feel about it? right?


What about if someone was driving and forgot to put on their blinker and got hit, and was a permanently disabled? it's their fault they are disabled, can we make them park far away too? to teach them a lesson maybe?

LOL, I actually thought about buying a big sturdy knife just for tire slashing. But I would probably get into alot of trouble, so it's not worth it.

Just get a pair of diagonal cutter to cut the valve stems. Tires will be just as flat and you wont hurt yourself or get in trouble for having a "big sturdy knife". Amateurs usually hurt themselves.
Better yet-take a deep breath and move on. If I caught someone damaging my car, if they didnt already have a handicapped status, they would soon get one. Fat people shopping at Walmart are already miserable-you dont need to add to it.

There are people who are fat because they are lazy, and there are people who are fat due to hormonal factors. Many times, it's tough to tell them apart.

Just like there are people who are mentally challenged because they are born that way, and there are those who choose never to read or think and just basically spend their whole lives wallowing in the juices of their own ignorance.

If someone thinks they need help, like a handicapped sticker, for God's sake let them get it. Without their medical records in front of me, I'm in no position to judge.

understandable that you didn't like that you didn't get the spot and it's true that people aren't BORN fat. BUT its also true that there are some who have illnesses that increase weight and there are also those who are obese and really couldn't help it. that's a gentic problem. so if you, being as though you say you're handicapped, have a problem with people who are also handicapped in whatever way, that's a personal problem a prejudice issue. people don't have it be born handicapped, sometimes it just happens. my mom is overweight due to gentics and now has knee problems she has a handicapped tag. she needs it just as much as you do.

understandable that you didn't like that you didn't get the spot and it's true that people aren't BORN fat. BUT its also true that there are some who have illnesses that increase weight and there are also those who are obese and really couldn't help it. that's a gentic problem. so if you, being as though you say you're handicapped, have a problem with people who are also handicapped in whatever way, that's a personal problem a prejudice issue. people don't have it be born handicapped, sometimes it just happens. my mom is overweight due to gentics and now has knee problems she has a handicapped tag. she needs it just as much as you do.

understandable that you didn't like that you didn't get the spot and it's true that people aren't BORN fat. BUT its also true that there are some who have illnesses that increase weight and there are also those who are obese and really couldn't help it. that's a gentic problem. so if you, being as though you say you're handicapped, have a problem with people who are also handicapped in whatever way, that's a personal problem a prejudice issue. people don't have it be born handicapped, sometimes it just happens. my mom is overweight due to gentics and now has knee problems she has a handicapped tag. she needs it just as much as you do.

If all the occupants of the vehicle can walk into the store and out with two shopping carts carrying ALOT of weight in food without any sign of trouble, then they should walk an extra dozen yards(1 inch=2.54centimeters. 1 yard=36 inches or 3 feet. Well, since there are many non-Americans here, I thought I'd just put that in since I mentioned yards) and save that spot for somebody who needs it. I'm sorry if I sound prejugdes(sp?) against criminals who commit fraud for convenience and against fat people who are fit enough to not need those spaces, but it's true. It's for people who have ANY sign of trouble walking the distance. It's also for people in wheel chairs(or crutches), even if they have arms strong enough to propel them the extra distance. Those spaces are for those who need, not those who want. If ANYONE IN THE VEHICLE fits ANY of the following criteria, they get the spot:
1. They show sign(s) of trouble walking to and/or from the destination.
2. They need and are in a device that is designed to provide mobility that is otherwise greatly hindered. Such devices can be: wheelchairs, crutches, braces,etc. If anyone needs one of the listed devices, but are not in one, they fall under criteria 1. If they are in such devices, but not because of need, then the criteria is null and void for them.

Since the fat people you described did not show any of the criteria, then their use of the handicapped spaces is fraud, which is a criminal(possibly federal) offence.

If ANYONE IN THE VEHICLE fits ANY of the following criteria, they get the spot:
1. They show sign(s) of trouble walking to and/or from the destination.
2. They need and are in a device that is designed to provide mobility that is otherwise greatly hindered. Such devices can be: wheelchairs, crutches, braces,etc. If anyone needs one of the listed devices, but are not in one, they fall under criteria 1. If they are in such devices, but not because of need, then the criteria is null and void for them.

Since the fat people you described did not show any of the criteria, then their use of the handicapped spaces is fraud, which is a criminal(possibly federal) offence.
The problem is one that comes with all "entitlement" mentalities. Unethical people take advantage of of an "entitlement" because they "can" - not because they "need". So I go get a Permit because my doctor says I "Can". I park in a handicapped spot because I have the permit and I "can" - regardless of whether or not I may be taking from someone with an actual "need".

I don't care who you are, or what your disability is, or whether you have a permit or not. If you CAN walk (safely) then you SHOULD walk - I don't care what your permit says - and leave the handicapped slots for the truly mobility impared. :mad:

The problem is one that comes with all "entitlement" mentalities. Unethical people take advantage of of an "entitlement" because they "can" - not because they "need". So I go get a Permit because my doctor says I "Can". I park in a handicapped spot because I have the permit and I "can" - regardless of whether or not I may be taking from someone with an actual "need".

I don't care who you are, or what your disability is, or whether you have a permit or not. If you CAN walk (safely) then you SHOULD walk - I don't care what your permit says - and leave the handicapped slots for the truly mobility impared. :mad:
Indeed. If we take entitlement out of the issue, then it's out of the issue. The problem, of course, is enforcement. Then again, I'm sure the police would be more than happy to fill out fines considering that they get money from fines.

I agree 100% with Syniks and Avika. Need should always trump want.

I agree 100% with Syniks and Avika. Need should always trump want.
Too bad the inverse is the unwritten law of the land.

I know, and don't get me started on the whole "fat acceptance" movement. If you haven't heard of it, there's apparently an entire movement that believes science is being manipulated by the diet industry to say that fat is unhealthy. It's stupid, really. People need to stop pushing blame off themselves. There is no excuse for fat people taking handicapped spaces from people who really are handicapped.

You know what's really stupid, though? The anti-sizists, as they call themselves, say they want obesity to no longer be considered a disease and for fat people to be treated no worse than thin people. At the same time, though, they insist that fat people be given the handicap tag. Now that's what I call having your cake and eating it, too, which explains a lot, actually.

Now that's what I call having your cake and eating it, too, which explains a lot, actually.
Could that then make for perpetual cake eating as it never goes away no matter how much you eat?

Could that then make for perpetual cake eating as it never goes away no matter how much you eat?
Sure. They suffer from Gimme-gimme syndrome, or GGS. GGS is characterized by people saying "gimme-gimme", which some say means "give me. give me.", but that still is under investigation. GGS is common throughout the United States and parts of Canada and may have already spread to Euroasia and possibly Oceania. Cures for this disease range from a kick in the ass to the repeated use of the word "no". Giving only makes this syndrome worse.

GGS is supposedly linked to Annoying Sound Syndrome or ASS. A common form of ASS is known as For Attentive Treatment-Annoying Sound Syndrome or FATASS. Both cause the desire to drive others away with any means necesary, thus annoying sounds are used.:p

Sure. They suffer from Gimme-gimme syndrome, or GGS. GGS is characterized by people saying "gimme-gimme", which some say means "give me. give me.", but that still is under investigation. GGS is common throughout the United States and parts of Canada and may have already spread to Euroasia and possibly Oceania. Cures for this disease range from a kick in the ass to the repeated use of the word "no". Giving only makes this syndrome worse.

GGS is supposedly linked to Annoying Sound Syndrome or ASS. A common form of ASS is known as For Attentive Treatment-Annoying Sound Syndrome or FATASS. Both cause the desire to drive others away with any means necesary, thus annoying sounds are used.

:D :D :D

Too bad the inverse is the unwritten law of the land.
Note too that Social Security might survive a wee bit longer were it not treated as an entitlement - and fatassed Boomers with good pensions and funded retirement accounts stoped double/triple dipping. But noooo. You can't Means-Test and Entitlement. That wouldn't be Progressive. :headbang:

Here's a more informative guide to the diseases I listed and described:

They suffer from Gimme-gimme syndrome, or GGS. GGS is characterized by people saying "gimme-gimme", which some say means "give me. give me.", but that still is under investigation. GGS is common throughout the United States and parts of Canada and may have already spread to Euroasia and possibly Oceania. Cures for this disease range from a kick in the ass to the repeated use of the word "no". Giving only makes this syndrome worse.

GGS is supposedly linked to Annoying Sound Syndrome or ASS. A common form of ASS is known as For Attentive Treatment-Annoying Sound Syndrome or FATASS. Both cause the desire to drive others away with any means necesary, thus annoying sounds are used.<-original end. new chunk beginning-> These sounds range from loud bursts of excitement and anger to mating calls, which are usually used for the opposite effect.

Another form of ASS is Dieting unto manufactured bullshit-annoying sound syndrome or DUMBASS. Those suffering from DUMBASS will generally take lies as truth and viceversa. This form's sufferers tend to get angered quite easily at the hint of truth. They demand authority when authority can be used to suit their goals. These sufferers are best ignored. If ignoring isn't possible, shoving the feces falling out of their mouths back down their throats can also be effective.



*This informtion has been done without any hidden messages or meanings. This is completely factual and not anti-dumbass/fatass propoganda. This information can be used without permission, but copying without the permission of the author is strictly prohibited. copyright 2006
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Yea, but the diffrence [sic] is I can't help what I have, they can.

Did it ever occur to you that if fat people could help being fat they would? Most people who are different in a way that is looked at negatively by society don't choose to be that way. Yes, it sucks that those people cut you off and took your spot, but the truth of the matter is that you aren't them. You don't know for sure why they had a handicap tag. Maybe it was because they were fat, maybe not. And just because they "seemed" fine doesn't mean they were. You don't like to be discriminated against because of your "difference," so I would advise you not to discriminate against others because of theirs, regardless of the degree or severity.

Here's a related idea. Did you know the US Postal Service will have anyone's mail delivered to the door if the person gets their doctor to sign for them. Since nearly every old person has a doctor that doesn't want to lose a patient, they can all get the mail walked to their door. The healthiest people on my route have this service while those in wheelchairs don't. I see some who have it walking for miles in a store with no problem.

Another thing available is the "knock and check" Anyone who lives alone can get the letter carrier to knock on the door and check to see if the customer is ok. This was designed for elderly who have no family to check on them, but all you need is a doctor to say you need the service.

Here's a related idea. Did you know the US Postal Service will have anyone's mail delivered to the door if the person gets their doctor to sign for them. Since nearly every old person has a doctor that doesn't want to lose a patient, they can all get the mail walked to their door. The healthiest people on my route have this service while those in wheelchairs don't. I see some who have it walking for miles in a store with no problem.

Another thing available is the "knock and check" Anyone who lives alone can get the letter carrier to knock on the door and check to see if the customer is ok. This was designed for elderly who have no family to check on them, but all you need is a doctor to say you need the service.
But in today's fast paced world of drive-thrus and burgers with enough calories, fat, hormones, and bad(LDL) chlorestoral to kill a whole herd of full-grown African elephants, who can bear the effort of walking less than 50 feet just so you can carry those big, heavy letters. I mean, those have to weigh at least an entire half-pound. I mean, stuffing your arteries with deep-fried heart attacks on a bun really makes you tired and sleeping just requires so much time and energy. I mean, people who are in wheel chairs have it so easy. They don't have to put their entire body weight on their feet. They don't have to go through the trauma and the heart break of having to move their bodies using their own leg muscles.:rolleyes: Can't you see why those people needed that spot? They have to go through the trauma of using their muscles. I mean, lifting up your feet all those times really makes one tired.:rolleyes:

But in today's fast paced world of drive-thrus and burgers with enough calories, fat, hormones, and bad(LDL) chlorestoral to kill a whole herd of full-grown African elephants, who can bear the effort of walking less than 50 feet just so you can carry those big, heavy letters. I mean, those have to weigh at least an entire half-pound. I mean, stuffing your arteries with deep-fried heart attacks on a bun really makes you tired and sleeping just requires so much time and energy. I mean, people who are in wheel chairs have it so easy. They don't have to put their entire body weight on their feet. They don't have to go through the trauma and the heart break of having to move their bodies using their own leg muscles.:rolleyes: Can't you see why those people needed that spot? They have to go through the trauma of using their muscles. I mean, lifting up your feet all those times really makes one tired.:rolleyes:

I'm going to buy you a beer the next time you're in town.

I'm going to buy you a beer the next time you're in town.
I've been thinking of some sort of career in comedy. That or video game development. I'm going to be coming up with more than that. A lot more.

I've been thinking of some sort of career in comedy. That or video game development. I'm going to be coming up with more than that. A lot more.

I would go with Comedy.

It is a 20 minute walk to my main campus. Two overweight mails moved buildings, because one couldn't handle the walk and the other couldn't handle the walk or the stairs. I don't think either wanted to lose weight.

During my walk I see no overweight people. This makes sense if you are overweight do a 2 20 minute walks outdoors against a cold wind bundled up in your warmest winter gear and I guarantee you will lose weight.

Or play a sport (not golf, bowling or poker) and you will 5-10 pounds.

Just checkin' in, I see this thread is still alive although not much new has been added.

I see a few more people have thrown in defending/excusing obesity with the lame explanation that it could be caused by some medical condition.

There's a basic problem with this that you fatasses overlook or more likely ignore. Fat doesn't materialize out of thin air. The only way the body can store fat is to have more calories on hand than it can burn. Got that, you have to eat more than you burn to store fat. So don't give me any lame explanations citing 'medical conditions', any 'condition' that makes you more likely to store fat can easily be controlled by regulating your diet. In other words you don't eat all those calories Tubby and you won't be fat no matter what 'condition' you have. It's all boils down to a matter of self control no matter what excuse you make.

If you don't want to give up those ice cream sundaes, get off your ass and exercise. If you don't want to control your caloric intake, burn more of them, that's the only other real option. Excercise or eat less, otherwise don't whine lardass.

I happen to agree wholeheartedly about the disability permits for fat people. They should not be allowed to have them, simply because it is hard enough for people with real disabilities, not caused by lack of self-control, to find a disabled parking spot as it is. Those spots are there to provide them with a need, born out of a situation that they could not control.

This is also partly spite on my part, as I have an as yet unidentified (but not serious) problem with my hips and leg joints. Because it occurs sporadically (I can go for 6 months without problems, then BOOM), my parents and I are not allowed a disabled permit. It gets me every time to see fatarses who get these permits because strenuous exertion on their heart could see them get chest pains and shortness of breath, but I can't get one, because my condition is not permanent.

I happen to agree wholeheartedly about the disability permits for fat people. They should not be allowed to have them, simply because it is hard enough for people with real disabilities, not caused by lack of self-control, to find a disabled parking spot as it is. Those spots are there to provide them with a need, born out of a situation that they could not control.

This is also partly spite on my part, as I have an as yet unidentified (but not serious) problem with my hips and leg joints. Because it occurs sporadically (I can go for 6 months without problems, then BOOM), my parents and I are not allowed a disabled permit. It gets me every time to see fatarses who get these permits because strenuous exertion on their heart could see them get chest pains and shortness of breath, but I can't get one, because my condition is not permanent.
While I agree in theory

I personaly dont assume all fat people are there because they are lazy ... maybe it is having had to deal with people that had meds cause wierd things like weight gain and such

Just because they were overweight doesn't mean that they didn't have some type of handicap. Maybe they have heart problems, or high blood pressure, or bad knees.

You just contradicted yourself. How did they get those 3 conditions? Lugging their own fat ass everywhere.... If they didn't eat 24/7....

While I agree in theory

I personaly dont assume all fat people are there because they are lazy ... maybe it is having had to deal with people that had meds cause wierd things like weight gain and such

Its already been stated that those people who have bad reactions to meds/medical problems (Anything to do with eating/lazy is not a problem) should be exempt from our raving but should they be allowed disabled spots? No. The walk might help them loose that extra weight.

While I agree in theory

I personaly dont assume all fat people are there because they are lazy ... maybe it is having had to deal with people that had meds cause wierd things like weight gain and such

Point out to me where I said lazy? I said they lacked self-control in the main. I am well aware (having had may friends gain weight on medication, including the pill) that there is a minority of obese people who are there because they are on medication that has huge weight gain as a side effect. But these unfortunate people are in the minority, whichever way you slant it.

I don't make the assumption that they are fat out of anything, but I also don't think that they should get disablility permits because of their weight.

This is the longest thread I've ever started. Go me. :)

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Not true. My entire family (women) has a theiroid/thyroid (cant spell it) and it causes them to store extra fat than a normal person would. They aren't overweight as they do excersise every day but it is still hard for them. Do I think they should get a disability spot if it came to it? No.

While I agree in theory

I personaly dont assume all fat people are there because they are lazy ... maybe it is having had to deal with people that had meds cause wierd things like weight gain and such:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Medication can't cause wieght gain unless the calories are there! If your metabolism is slowed for some reason stop wolfing down those Oreos and you won't gain weight!

That's the problem, why 2/3 of American's are overweight... they want to blame their absence of self control on something else, come up with some excuse that absolves them of guilt.

If you're fat, you ate more than your body needed. No excuses, no other explanation.


And no pity from me.

Not true. My entire family (women) has a theiroid/thyroid (cant spell it) and it causes them to store extra fat than a normal person would. They aren't obese as they do excersise every day but it is still hard for them. Do I think they should get a disability spot if it came to it? No.The treatment for thyroid disease includes a strict diet. You don't follow it and you gain weight.


Next lame excuse...

How about we continue this discussion over some McDonalds?

The treatment for thyroid disease includes a strict diet. You don't follow it and you gain weight.


Next lame excuse...

LoL..... ok. Are you a doctor? Do you have a medical degree? Do you have 3 brain cells Simultaneously working to produce your reasons for why these excuses aren't valid? Do you actually know some of these people with these conditions and are actually friends with them? If you do, do you tell them to get over it and call them a lardass and should eat more salad?

I can answer the first 3 for you. No, No, Yes.

The treatment for thyroid disease includes a strict diet. You don't follow it and you gain weight.


Next lame excuse...

Oh man it's so funny you say that. I have this former friend who claims she's fat because she was suffering from a thyroid disease. She tried everything EXCEPT diet and excercise. I tried telling her this, but her lame ass doctor just kept on having her do one stupid thing after another. Now get this, before I dump her as my friend, her doctor wanted her eating more! Jeez...

LoL..... ok. Are you a doctor? Do you have a medical degree? Do you have 3 brain cells Simultaneously working to produce your reasons for why these excuses aren't valid? Do you actually know some of these people with these conditions and are actually friends with them? If you do, do you tell them to get over it and call them a lardass and should eat more salad?

I can answer the first 3 for you. No, No, Yes.No, I'm not a doctor and my degree isn't in medicine.

But I do spend over 40 hours a week in their company. In the years I've worked in a hospital I've learned a few things. One of them is that I don't want to do their job.

Because then I'd have to deal with you whiny fatasses face to face and listen to your denial and bolster your self esteem with medical excuses you can use when I really wanted to scream in your face that you have no self control and you're lying to me about following the diet I gave you because the gum you're chewing isn't hiding the smell of french fries on your breath....

No, I'm not a doctor and my degree isn't in medicine.

But I do spend over 40 hours a week in their company. In the years I've worked in a hospital I've learned a few things. One of them is that I don't want to do their job.

Because then I'd have to deal with you whiny fatasses face to face and listen to your denial and bolster your self esteem with medical excuses you can use when I really wanted to scream in your face that you have no self control and you're lying to me about following the diet I gave you because the gum you're chewing isn't hiding the smell of french fries on your breath....
Wow so much anger...

I must have missed the post where he admits he is over weight ... that or you are making a lot of assumptions with that "you whiny fatasses" statement

Wow so much anger...

I must have missed the post where he admits he is over weight ... that or you are making a lot of assumptions with that "you whiny fatasses" statementJust playin' the odds.




And going with the assumption that thin people don't usually make excuses for being fat...

Just playin' the odds.




And going with the assumption that thin people don't usually make excuses for being fat...
I tend to have some empathy for people

Personaly I am not over-weight but I can understand how it can catch you and you can put on a lot of weight fast. Specialy with medication, its something they have to work to correct though

I dont mind giving people the benifit of the doubt as long as they work and turn things around weather that be changing meds or changing diet or lifestyle

Who is 'you'? I'm not fat.

Who is 'you'? I'm not fat.
For some people empathy is hard to understand ... ehh everyone has different things they can and can not understand

It happens no worries

For some people empathy is hard to understand ... ehh everyone has different things they can and can not understand

It happens no worries

Maybe you should elaborate? Not feeling Empathy towards you... someone else....?

Maybe you should elaborate? Not feeling Empathy towards you... someone else....?
Meaning that you have the ability to understand the situation of an overweight person while not nessisarily being such yourself

Gotcha. :)

Meaning that you have the ability to understand the situation of an overweight person while not nessisarily being such yourself
Isnt empathy not caring about something...No thats apathy..
ah who cares.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Medication can't cause wieght gain unless the calories are there! If your metabolism is slowed for some reason stop wolfing down those Oreos and you won't gain weight!

That's the problem, why 2/3 of American's are overweight... they want to blame their absence of self control on something else, come up with some excuse that absolves them of guilt.

If you're fat, you ate more than your body needed. No excuses, no other explanation.


And no pity from me.

Have you ever at any stage of your life actively tried to change you complete lifestyle and diet from one day to the next?
Either eating less and excercising or else eating more and stopping exercise completely? Both are equally hard to achieve, and if you ever tried either of them, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you don't, talk to any actor who ever had to lose or gain weight for a role.
Diets don't solve the problem. Ever. Because the thing about diets is, they are only temporarily. Once you get back to normal - and I mean regular normal, even if you still don't eat more than the average person - your body will assume that the famine is over and start putting in reserves for the next one. I've been through that a good number of times.
The one thing that does solve the problem is a complete change of lifestyle that can be maintained for the rest of your life, and that will involve about 1/3 less calories than the average person.
So, no, it's not as easy as simply dropping the Oreos, although that is one minor part of that. It requires discipline that the a slim person who never was overweight can imagine.

You just contradicted yourself. How did they get those 3 conditions? Lugging their own fat ass everywhere.... If they didn't eat 24/7....
acutally no, I have had high blood pressure since I was a child, it runs in my family, I wasn't overweight until I was about 22, when I started medication. Also I tore up my knee when I was 15, so it's not because I was fat then either.

There are many diseases that cause problems that fat people can have that are unrelated to their weight also, like celiac disease, diabetes, lupus, ect.

Yes, you can have health issues that are caused by your weight, but to say that all the overweight people in the world are sick "because they ate too much" is idiotic.

Have you ever at any stage of your life actively tried to change you complete lifestyle and diet from one day to the next?
Either eating less and excercising or else eating more and stopping exercise completely? Both are equally hard to achieve, and if you ever tried either of them, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you don't, talk to any actor who ever had to lose or gain weight for a role.
Diets don't solve the problem. Ever. Because the thing about diets is, they are only temporarily. Once you get back to normal - and I mean regular normal, even if you still don't eat more than the average person - your body will assume that the famine is over and start putting in reserves for the next one. I've been through that a good number of times.
The one thing that does solve the problem is a complete change of lifestyle that can be maintained for the rest of your life, and that will involve about 1/3 less calories than the average person.
So, no, it's not as easy as simply dropping the Oreos, although that is one minor part of that. It requires discipline that the a slim person who never was overweight can imagine.

Well its different for every person i suppose. 6 months ago i was overweight, and since i had a bit of free time on my hands I thought i'd try exercising regularly. Didnt really do much, so I went on a diet too. Now I'm at about my perfect weight after losing nearly 4 stone and I'm just about to come off my diet. Not sure how much I'll be able to eat now but i'll just experiment untill I'm not gaining any weight.

I don't know that there is so much a plea for sympathy for the overweight as much as just a request to not be the focus of naked fucking scorn and agression. For crying out loud, the venom spouted towards the overweight is more than a little disproportionate here.

So someone else is overweight. Big fucking deal, it's their cross to bear. I find it a little disturbing that so many of you seem to take someone elses weight problems personally. Given the option of a 'whiny fat person' or a 'bitchy thin person' I think I'm going to have to go with the fat person. At least I won't have to hear all this venom and self-rightiousness.

Jesus, get over yourselves people. Tend to your own backyards before you go casting spittle all over someone elses problems. Might I suggest starting with your anger issues?

I don't know that there is so much a plea for sympathy for the overweight as much as just a request to not be the focus of naked fucking scorn and agression. For crying out loud, the venom spouted towards the overweight is more than a little disproportionate here.

So someone else is overweight. Big fucking deal, it's their cross to bear. I find it a little disturbing that so many of you seem to take someone elses weight problems personally. Given the option of a 'whiny fat person' or a 'bitchy thin person' I think I'm going to have to go with the fat person. At least I won't have to hear all this venom and self-rightiousness.

Jesus, get over yourselves people. Tend to your own backyards before you go casting spittle all over someone elses problems. Might I suggest starting with your anger issues?
quoted it........just because I agree.


Okay, last post here.

Fat people are human, please treat them like that.

If you can walk, you should, leave the parking spaces for people who can't.

Nobody, even a doctor, can judge if someone has a disability by watching them walk around at a Wal-mart, so quit trying.

Don't make snap judgements, based on your opinions and not facts. It's just not nice, nor is it fair.

Not all fat people caused their own disabilities, and not all fat people are fat because they eat 40 Big Macs for breakfast, unless you have been following them around and KNOW without a doubt that that is why, quit treating them like that is why.

Be nice, or hey, mind your own business. ;)

There are some things about many fat people that I hate:
1. They refuse to dress conservatively. This is especially true for fat, white women. It doesn't make you look sexy. I'm skinny and I don't feel sexy in tank tops or shorts. I mean, ew. I have never saw an overweight black woman or an overwheight Mexican woman dress like that.

2. They consider fatness a disability worthy of those special parking spaces I'm not allowed to use. I'm sorry, but if you can make the journey from a normal spot without trouble, then save the spot for the physically disabled. I have a fat father. He never tried to get the spot, even after a surgery almost crippled him completely. He has a hernia that could bust out after too much excersion. He has many, many physical problems, including those of his knees and back, yet he has never even requested a permit for use of the handicapped spaces.

3. Some of them want sympathy because of their fatness. I'm sorry, but no way. I feel sorry for they dying and paralyzed. I feel sorry for the oppressed and starving. I don't feel sorry for the lazy and the face-stuffers. If you are fat because your medication greatly exagerated your appitite, fine. Just don't expect me to feel sorry for those who never learned the phrase: "No thanks, I'm full." That was ripped from Married with Children.

Well its different for every person i suppose. 6 months ago i was overweight, and since i had a bit of free time on my hands I thought i'd try exercising regularly. Didnt really do much, so I went on a diet too. Now I'm at about my perfect weight after losing nearly 4 stone and I'm just about to come off my diet. Not sure how much I'll be able to eat now but i'll just experiment untill I'm not gaining any weight.

Well, if you've just been slightly overweighted for 6 months, you won't have any difficulties.
If you've been overweighted for more than a year or two, let me know how you're doing in another eight or nine months.

I guess I should have a say since two years ago I lost 30 pounds by spending the summer bike riding for 4 hours and eating right.

Yes, it's hard, but possible. The problem I see is a lot of fat people simply eat too much. When you gain weight, its your body telling you that you are not moving enough and that you are eating too much. I never heard of anything like 'fat disease' or some sort of genetics. It's a lifestyle CHOICE, and these people CHOOSE to eat unhealthy meals.

Do you know what I did when my family offered McDonalds or a can of coke? I said no. That's all it took.

If you want to lose weight, avoid the sugar and fatty shit. Have a sandwidth and drink a bottle of water. Diet Coke is actually helpful, but doesn't cleanse the system or give your body oxygen like water. Plus it's much cheaper.

What really disguists me is that these fat people complain about how they are addicted to food or it's too hard and they should be pampered for it. Handicap spaces because you're too fat? My mother has a bad leg and can't walk very well, and you fat asses who can walk normally and RIDE A BIKE take up her spot?

Fat people should not be cuddled, it's a sign of lack of control and willpoer. You get fat by eating too much, not too little.

Well, if you've just been slightly overweighted for 6 months, you won't have any difficulties.
If you've been overweighted for more than a year or two, let me know how you're doing in another eight or nine months.

I had been rather overweight for about 5 years. The diet took 6 months.

2. They consider fatness a disability worthy of those special parking spaces I'm not allowed to use. I'm sorry, but if you can make the journey from a normal spot without trouble, then save the spot for the physically disabled. I have a fat father. He never tried to get the spot, even after a surgery almost crippled him completely. He has a hernia that could bust out after too much excersion. He has many, many physical problems, including those of his knees and back, yet he has never even requested a permit for use of the handicapped spaces.


Not all medication causes an increased apatite
Usualy comes in the form of decreased metabolism

I have seen friends gain weight on a less the 1000 calorie diet

There are some things about many fat people that I hate:
1. They refuse to dress conservatively. This is especially true for fat, white women. It doesn't make you look sexy. I'm skinny and I don't feel sexy in tank tops or shorts. I mean, ew. I have never saw an overweight black woman or an overwheight Mexican woman dress like that.
I could say the same thing about thin women, they refuse to dress conservativley too, I swear if I see another thong poking out of someone's jeans I am going to puke. Oh, and if you haven't seen any other ethnicities dressing like that, you are hanging out in the wrong (or right depending on how you look at it) places, living in a "black neighborhood" I can tell you that the conservative dress on overweight people thing isn't a "white issue".

I had been rather overweight for about 5 years. The diet took 6 months.


I'm wishing you all the best, I really do. The hard parts are just about to come on, be prepared.

Yes, I am overweighted. And guess what? Personally, I don't care. I was eventually faced with the decision to either dramatically and permanently, and I consciously decided against it. I enjoy good food, I love cooking and baking, I enjoy eating out with friends. It's is an important part of my life, it makes me happy and it makes me feel good. I admit that sometimes I wish I could be called beautiful, or that I could blend in with the crowd, but not being able to live a life I enjoy any more is to high a price. Simple as that.
I find it highly offensive though if people imply that I have no willpower, that I'm lazy, that I'm looking for excuses or that I would take advantage of the health system.
:mad:

I'm wishing you all the best, I really do. The hard parts are just about to come on, be prepared.


No, sorry if i didnt make myself clear but i've nearly finished my diet since i've nearly reached my target weight i assume you meant the last part of the diet as the hard part. It wasnt too hard, it just took a long time although i heard that you're not meant to lose more than 10 pounds a month so i pretty much stuck to that.

No, sorry if i didnt make myself clear but i've nearly finished my diet since i've nearly reached my target weight i assume you meant the last part of the diet as the hard part. It wasnt too hard, it just took a long time although i heard that you're not meant to lose more than 10 pounds a month so i pretty much stuck to that.

That's not what I meant.
The really hard part will come in the next months and years, convincing your body that, no, the diet was no famine and that no, it's not necessary to prepare for the next famine by putting on additional weight.

--snip-- Fat people will get a "Fat ass" tag. Oh they'll have their own spot. However, their spots will be at the other end of the parking lot. --


LOL (http://twinszone.net/forum/images/smilies/rollingonthefloor.gif) Good one, good one. :p

That's not what I meant.
The really hard part will come in the next months and years, convincing your body that, no, the diet was no famine and that no, it's not necessary to prepare for the next famine by putting on additional weight.
If it was a proper diet, then a body won't do that. Unfortunately 90+% of all diets are essentially "famine" diets and what you say can and does happen.

If it was a proper diet, then a body won't do that. Unfortunately 90+% of all diets are essentially "famine" diets and what you say can and does happen.

All the diets I ever heard of had this effect. The only thing that didn't was changing your entire lifstyle and habit and keeping it up, not changing back.

All the diets I ever heard of had this effect. The only thing that didn't was changing your entire lifstyle and habit and keeping it up, not changing back.
Which is the PROPER way of "dieting" - because the previous lifestyle was unhealthy and lead to morbidity.

Move More, Eat Less. It doesn't say you can't eat what or when you enjoy - just eat LESS. Be a Taste Lover, not a Food Lover. There is a reason why Haute Cuisine has small portions. Taste over Substance. Live it.

Disabled or the PC version physically challenged

Which is the PROPER way of "dieting" - because the previous lifestyle was unhealthy and lead to morbidity.

Move More, Eat Less. It doesn't say you can't eat what or when you enjoy - just eat LESS. Be a Taste Lover, not a Food Lover. There is a reason why Haute Cuisine has small portions. Taste over Substance. Live it.

Not quite.
Your lifestyle was unhealthy at some stage of your life, you gained weight. Simply changing to a normal lifestyle will not decrease your weight, it will only stabilise it in the sense that you won't gain weight any more.

To permanently decrease your weight, you'll have to change to a less than normal lifestyle, without ever going back. And yes, that means no longer eating what you enjoy. You might occasionally take a bite of it, but you can no longer eat it.

Bodies tend to work that way, they tend to memorise diets as famines and will work to store as much as possible after one to be prepared for the next. It used to ensure survival... Our bodies where made to survive food shortages, not nutritionists.

Yes, I am overweighted. And guess what? Personally, I don't care.Yeah, me too. As long as I'm not really unhealthy, which I'm not, I don't see any reason to care about being overweight. It's all about image, of course, but why should it be? I think I look pretty good at a (UK) size 18 - 20. There are plenty of overweight people that are both pretty healthy and attractive.

I know that this thread is about claiming things that you're supposedly not entitled to because of your weight, but there's a clear distaste for people being overweight in general as far as I can see, especially in the recent pages.

Who cares? If the fat person is not a close friend or family member, you have no reason to care whether or not they're unhealthy. If they're happy with that aspect, and the asthetic aspect, then it's no one else's business.

I find this offensive as I am disabled myself

Not quite.
Your lifestyle was unhealthy at some stage of your life, you gained weight. Simply changing to a normal lifestyle will not decrease your weight, it will only stabilise it in the sense that you won't gain weight any more.Considering that "normal" in the West is grossly over caloric and sedentary, that is probably true. But I didn't say "normal", I said "proper" and Healthy, neither of which is "normal".
To permanently decrease your weight, you'll have to change to a less than normal lifestyle, without ever going back. And yes, that means no longer eating what you enjoy. You might occasionally take a bite of it, but you can no longer eat it.Define "eat". An 8oz steak vs a 16oz steak? The only difference is in your mind, total caloric intake and will.
Bodies tend to work that way, they tend to memorise diets as famines and will work to store as much as possible after one to be prepared for the next. It used to ensure survival... Our bodies where made to survive food shortages, not nutritionists.Funny thing is, while we were made to survive food shortages, we were also made to survive them by being fit/fast enough to go get sufficient nutrition. Obesity is NOT normal to human evolution. I'm not talking about the 200lb man or 160lb woman, I'm talking about the modern sedentary 250+man and 200+woman. That is NOT a "natural" level of "famine fat" storage.

Yeah, me too. As long as I'm not really unhealthy, which I'm not, I don't see any reason to care about being overweight. It's all about image, of course, but why should it be? I think I look pretty good at a (UK) size 18 - 20. There are plenty of overweight people that are both pretty healthy and attractive.

I know that this thread is about claiming things that you're supposedly not entitled to because of your weight, but there's a clear distaste for people being overweight in general as far as I can see, especially in the recent pages.

Who cares? If the fat person is not a close friend or family member, you have no reason to care whether or not they're unhealthy. If they're happy with that aspect, and the asthetic aspect, then it's no one else's business.Until you get sandwiched between a pair of sweaty behemoths on a bus/train/plane who don't give a rat's arse about overflowing into MY personal space... :headbang:

Considering that "normal" in the West is grossly over caloric and sedentary, that is probably true. But I didn't say "normal", I said "proper" and Healthy, neither of which is "normal".
Define "eat". An 8oz steak vs a 16oz steak? The only difference is in your mind, total caloric intake and will.

Do you even eat staek on a regular basis? I don't.
I'm talking about no more butter on toast, or much of anything else for that matter. I'm talking about no more dressing on salads, and I'm not talking about those dreadful American dressings, just vinegar and oil. I'm talking about no more sugar in your tea, let alone milk.
Yes, you can get used to it. But I don't see why I should, really. I'd rather feel good than look good.


Funny thing is, while we were made to survive food shortages, we were also made to survive them by being fit/fast enough to go get sufficient nutrition. Obesity is NOT normal to human evolution. I'm not talking about the 200lb man or 160lb woman, I'm talking about the modern sedentary 250+man and 200+woman. That is NOT a "natural" level of "famine fat" storage.

I never said obesity is normal. Obesity is the result of bodies that are constructed for surviving on just the basics and having to exercise constantly put into today's society with it's easy availability of food and easy avoidability of exercise. It's an unnatural environment and following our natural instincts might just prove dangerous or even fatal.

bump to get it listed for stone bridges

Yay, Thank you UpwardThrust.

Yay, Thank you UpwardThrust.
Yeah np

Wahoo! The triumphant return of fat people with empathy vs. cripples with axes to grind!

Wahoo! The triumphant return of fat people with empathy vs. cripples with axes to grind!

Yes, let the fight contiune!

Wahoo! The triumphant return of fat people with empathy vs. cripples with axes to grind!

*starts passing out kettle corn & soda*

Have you ever at any stage of your life actively tried to change you complete lifestyle and diet from one day to the next?
Either eating less and excercising or else eating more and stopping exercise completely? Both are equally hard to achieve, and if you ever tried either of them, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you don't, talk to any actor who ever had to lose or gain weight for a role.
Diets don't solve the problem. Ever. Because the thing about diets is, they are only temporarily. Once you get back to normal - and I mean regular normal, even if you still don't eat more than the average person - your body will assume that the famine is over and start putting in reserves for the next one. I've been through that a good number of times.
The one thing that does solve the problem is a complete change of lifestyle that can be maintained for the rest of your life, and that will involve about 1/3 less calories than the average person.
So, no, it's not as easy as simply dropping the Oreos, although that is one minor part of that. It requires discipline that the a slim person who never was overweight can imagine.I tried to post this two days ago... was gonna let it die, but since Upward Thrust bumped the thread...

I don't have anything against fat people, it's their body and they have to live in it. But don't ask for special consideration or for me to give you sympathy.

I do know what discipline is. I bike commute to work, not occasionally or when the weather's nice... every day. Not because I don't have a car or a drivers license or because work is only a couple of blocks away, I ride for 30 minutes at a pace most people can't keep up for a block because it's something I decided was the right thing to do several years ago. Do you know how much determination it takes to get on a bike in pouring rain or in freezing weather when you have a perfectly good car sitting in the driveway? No one would blame me for driving, especially since my shift ends at midnight and I have to ride home in the dark every night, but I choose to do it anyways. Choosing to eat smaller portions couldn't be any tougher or take any more discipline.

I tried to post this two days ago... was gonna let it die, but since Upward Thrust bumped the thread...

I don't have anything against fat people, it's their body and they have to live in it. But don't ask for special consideration or for me to give you sympathy.

I do know what discipline is. I bike commute to work, not occasionally or when the weather's nice... every day. Not because I don't have a car or a drivers license or because work is only a couple of blocks away, I ride for 30 minutes at a pace most people can't keep up for a block because it's something I decided was the right thing to do several years ago. Do you know how much determination it takes to get on a bike in pouring rain or in freezing weather when you have a perfectly good car sitting in the driveway? No one would blame me for driving, especially since my shift ends at midnight and I have to ride home in the dark every night, but I choose to do it anyways. Choosing to eat smaller portions couldn't be any tougher or take any more discipline.

That's the reason I have neither driver's licence nor car. To keep me on my feet, and on my bike.
I won't dispute that it does take a lot of discipline to keep this up, but to be fair, it's one hour a day, 5 days a week. Choosing to lose weight doesn't mean smaller portions so much as different food. And, for many obese people, the appetite is there 24/7 (I know what I'm talking about, I'm fighting it myself every day), so while the change is not a strenuous, you can't allow a lack of discipline for one minute any day.
I'm not defending anybody here, I just tend to get angry at the assumption that changing your lifestyle in that way would be easy...

I would never ask for sympathy.
But I do ask for enough consideration not to get stupid remarks on my looks and my lifestyle from people who haven't the first idea about either.

That's probably horribly unhealthy.

All it takes is healthy eating habits (cut out most of the sweets, perhaps treat yourself on occasion) and exercise, a 40 minute walk a day does wonders.

Well for me, I went from 160kg to 95kg by simply doing this amazing thing; don't eat so bloody much to the point that energy consumption outweighs the amount of calories spent in a day! its that damn simple!

As for my diet - I'm a vegetarian, so I guess that cuts out alot of crap that is on sale; McDonalds is out of the equation as all their stuff has animal fat used somewhere in the equation.

I'm still looking at losing another 10kg, but on the good side, however, my blood pressure is where it should be 122/73 (taken a few days ago at my work place health checkup).

I went to Wal-Mart today because I needed some food. Now I am handicapped and I have a handicapp tag. I was born handicapped. I was about to pull into this space when a car cut me off and got into my space. Out came 3 fat people, a mom, dad and a son. Of course they had the tag. But why do they need the tag? They wern't born hadicapped. They ate handicapped. Why do fat people need these things? What, is it because they get short of breath after walking 50 feet? Well yea, that's because you're body is trying to tell you that you WEIGH TOO MUCH! The body cannot support the weight that you ate. Of course everyone favorite argument is "Well some people have a fatness disease, or some people were born fat." Ok you know what, that's false. When I was little my mom used to work in a nursery, and sometimes I would go to the nusery with her. I never once saw a fat baby. Also, I don't buy the fact that sometimes people are just fat. That's bullshit, if that was true, then where was it back in the 50's?? Face it, you're fat because you put in more food than what came out. It's your own damn fault that you're fat, stop trying to blame it on other things. If I was in charge of the handicapp tag, I would only give it to people who were either born handicapped or who became handicapped either by accident/war/disease/old age etc. Fat people will get a "Fat ass" tag. Oh they'll have their own spot. However, their spots will be at the other end of the parking lot. Oh yes, they will have to walk the farthest because trust me, they need the excercise. If any of them try to cheat with the stupid little power cart, I'll personally slash that cart's tire. So in conclusion, fat people, you need to stop parking in the handicapp space!

You sir are brilliant!

Well for me, I went from 160kg to 95kg by simply doing this amazing thing; don't eat so bloody much to the point that energy consumption outweighs the amount of calories spent in a day! its that damn simple!


If it's so damn simple, why did you wait until you were 160kg in the first place?

If it's so damn simple, why did you wait until you were 160kg in the first place?

Being in the closet and using food as a 'at home prozac' - the thing is, I didn't blame ANYONE for my weight, except myself.

In the end *I* grabbed life by the balls and did something about it - I lost the weight, came 'out of the closet' and everything fell into place from there.

Being in the closet and using food as a 'at home prozac' - the thing is, I didn't blame ANYONE for my weight, except myself.

In the end *I* grabbed life by the balls and did something about it - I lost the weight, came 'out of the closet' and everything fell into place from there.

Good for you, really.
And I think every overweighted person has to blame him/herself to some degree.
I've seen people being miserable about their weight, and I've seen people struggling to lose that weight, and failing over and over again. And I'm sympathetic with them all, to be honest. But I don't think anybody else has any right whatsoever to judge these people and imply that they are lazy, or lack willpower, or are selfish, or any of the other niceties that were thrown around this thread so far....

If I have to choose between being a miserable person due to dieting and being a happy fat person, I'll take the fat any day.

But I don't think anybody else has any right whatsoever to judge these people and imply that they are lazy, or lack willpower, or are selfish, or any of the other niceties that were thrown around this thread so far....

If I have to choose between being a miserable person due to dieting and being a happy fat person, I'll take the fat any day.

I agree that everyone should be entitled to make this choice for themselves, without being mocked, ridiculed etc.
However, I also believe that if you actually choose to be fat because it makes you happy you must also accept the consequences/downsides. No taking away of parking spaces from people who are handicapped or fat against their will. No whining if airlines charge you extra if you do not fit into the seat - etc. etc. It was after all YOUR choice, not theirs.

If you live by that - kudos to you :)

Good for you, really.
And I think every overweighted person has to blame him/herself to some degree.
I've seen people being miserable about their weight, and I've seen people struggling to lose that weight, and failing over and over again. And I'm sympathetic with them all, to be honest. But I don't think anybody else has any right whatsoever to judge these people and imply that they are lazy, or lack willpower, or are selfish, or any of the other niceties that were thrown around this thread so far....

But at the same time, these people shouldn't go around expecting sympathy for something they bought upon themselves.

Yes, it takes will power and to say, "no, my stomach isn't going to control my life - I'm in charge, I decide what goes into my body". The day you start allowing your stomach to control your existance, you've lost control of your life.

This is the best quote I heard from a friend, "eat to live, not live to eat".

If I have to choose between being a miserable person due to dieting and being a happy fat person, I'll take the fat any day.

There is no such thing as a happy fat person - its flat out denial, because believe me, I walked around saying, "oh, I'm happy, I"m not that fat...", its sad and pathetic.

I'm sorry, but stuffing comfort food to boost endorphine levels is a self deafeating cycle, you're fat because you're unhappy and you're unhappy because you're fat (plus other things).

Like I said, want to solve the problem, find the source of the problem and address it - mine? I was depressed because I thought it was the end of the world because I'm gay; I realised that wasn't the case, I gradually gained self esteme which pushed things forward.

Like I said, its about the individual making the first move.

Until you get sandwiched between a pair of sweaty behemoths on a bus/train/plane who don't give a rat's arse about overflowing into MY personal space... :headbang:Interesting. When that happens to me, if the mode of transport is not busy, I just move to another seat (which is almost always possible even on planes in my experience). If it is busy, then the bus/train/plane is like a sweaty meat market anyway, and anybody can and will 'overflow your personal space'.

Oh, and sweatiness is not the exclusive reserve of people who are overweight.

There is no such thing as a happy fat personMaybe that's true of the fat people in your life, but I fundamentally disagree. One of my friends is nearly a size 30 and is the happiest person I've ever met. I've met other people like her too. I also am reasonably happy and overweight. I've suffered from depression, but that started way before I was overweight, and honestly still has nothing to do with that issue.

Interesting. When that happens to me, if the mode of transport is not busy, I just move to another seat (which is almost always possible even on planes in my experience). If it is busy, then the bus/train/plane is like a sweaty meat market anyway, and anybody can and will 'overflow your personal space'.

Oh, and sweatiness is not the exclusive reserve of people who are overweight.

Oh pulease, I was stuck on an aircraft in cattle class with a huge guy who took up two seats, and all he did for the flight to the US was eat, drink, fart and generally make a damn disburbance everytime he needed to go to the john.

Maybe that's true of the fat people in your life, but I fundamentally disagree. One of my friends is nearly a size 30 and is the happiest person I've ever met. I've met other people like her too. I also am reasonably happy and overweight. I've suffered from depression, but that started way before I was overweight, and honestly still has nothing to do with that issue.

If you took the time, I emphasised it was *part* of the problem.

Oh, and people can be happy on the outside and still be misserable on the inside.

I'm completely on your side, Stone Bridges.

I too, am handicapped, and it seriously makes me outraged to see some of the people that have these permits to park. I swear anyone can get a permit now a days, it's absolutely ridiculous. Since I'm 17 and don't live on my own, or need a car yet, my mother uses mine for her daily errends, which I highly oppose, and she knows this but continues to use it. I told her that shes the type of person who would come outside to see their tires slashed if I wasn't her son.


Your mom needs to get a clue. It's far worse in my opinion for someone who is neither handicapped nor obese to use one illegally like that. I'm disabled, too, and when I lived with my parents they never used a handicapped space if I wasn't in the car with them.

There is no such thing as a happy fat person - its flat out denial, because believe me, I walked around saying, "oh, I'm happy, I"m not that fat...", its sad and pathetic.

I'm sorry, but stuffing comfort food to boost endorphine levels is a self deafeating cycle, you're fat because you're unhappy and you're unhappy because you're fat (plus other things).

Like I said, want to solve the problem, find the source of the problem and address it - mine? I was depressed because I thought it was the end of the world because I'm gay; I realised that wasn't the case, I gradually gained self esteme which pushed things forward.

Like I said, its about the individual making the first move.

I don't pretend that I'm not fat.
But given the choice between living on less than 1000 kalories a day for the rest of my life and my current size, I stick to my size, thank you very much.
Yes, I did gain all that weight in a time of my life when "unhappy" doesn't even come near describing it. That's behind me, but it took a few years.... well, decades, really. I'm on a normal diet at the moment (between 1500-1800 kalories a day) and I don't see any point in changing that.
I don't ask for sympathy, just for enough respect not to be constantly insulted by stupid arrogant idiots who deem themselves superior because they never had to go through all of this in the first place.

Your mom needs to get a clue. It's far worse in my opinion for someone who is neither handicapped nor obese to use one illegally like that. I'm disabled, too, and when I lived with my parents they never used a handicapped space if I wasn't in the car with them.I told her just today that I am really pissed off that she uses it, and she gave me the "I didn't realize I was doing it" excuse.

:rolleyes:

I don't pretend that I'm not fat.
But given the choice between living on less than 1000 kalories a day for the rest of my life and my current size, I stick to my size, thank you very much.
Yes, I did gain all that weight in a time of my life when "unhappy" doesn't even come near describing it. That's behind me, but it took a few years.... well, decades, really. I'm on a normal diet at the moment (between 1500-1800 kalories a day) and I don't see any point in changing that.
I don't ask for sympathy, just for enough respect not to be constantly insulted by stupid arrogant idiots who deem themselves superior because they never had to go through all of this in the first place.
I've never stopped to look at how many kalories something has before I eat it. Never ever. I used to be overweight, now I'm not, and the only thing that changed was going to secondry school. More sport; athletics, cricket and rugby mainly. I got in shape pretty quick. Now I sure don't mind taking my top of at the beach.

I would hate to be held down by kalories or whatever. Can't enjoy food that way. Always wondering if what your eating is too fatty. However, I understand many people are in this situation, my mother for one..


I have no idea of the reason for this post.. I should be sleeping.