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I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

Well, you just said yourself that it does infact help you on a daily basis. Aslong as you don't take the path of our ever-vigilant all-knowing (I'm bleeding sarcasm out of my nose right now, just so you know) "The Loyal Christians", you should be pretty good for the rest of your life.

There's nothing inherently wrong with any given religion, it's only when that religion is taken so seriously as to blind common sense, reason, and basic logic.

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

Why do you think it's difficult?

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

You are a brave individual. Stand up for what you believe.

Why do you think it's difficult?

because public schools are so liberal and anti-christian

What is with the trolls today.

I always thought American schools were anti-religion in general, not just christianity.

What is with the trolls today.

if you're speaking of me I am only telling the truth. Young people are generally liberal, and liberalism does go against a lot of the teachings of christianity.

gays, abortion etc...

There are a whole bunch of you "holier-than-thou", God shall smite anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as I do Christian freaks at my school, so I have ZERO sympathy for you.

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!

I always thought American schools were anti-religion in general, not just christianity.

Indeed.

I go to school, and christian teens scare me as much as any other religious teen. :D

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren
Yeah, I know what you mean. Back in my highschool, Christian students were mocked openly for their faiths, generally harrassed and beaten for their beliefs. It is very hard to be a christian in a public school now days...oh wait no it's not.

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

I know what you mean - I find injecting some common sense into it as well. Like for example not binge drinking/doing drugs (your body should be a temple, holy and pleasing to the Lord, a living sacrifice - something like that lol) that's just common sense anyway - who really wants to go and destroy themselves for no real gain?

There are a whole bunch of you "holier-than-thou", God shall smite anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as I do Christian freaks at my school, so I have ZERO sympathy for you.

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!
Calm down Mishakal. Sheesh.

Indeed.

I go to school, and christian teens scare me as much as any other religious teen. :D

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Back in my highschool, Christian students were mocked openly for their faiths, generally harrassed and beaten for their beliefs. It is very hard to be a christian in a public school now days...oh wait no it's not.

I think they mean morally Christian, not persecuted for being Christian. There's a lot of behavior in schools that is immoral (by Christian standards) and can be hurtful to what they believe in. My advice would be to pray and realize that any temptation was meant to reinforce your faith, not destroy it.

There are a whole bunch of you "holier-than-thou", God shall smite anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as I do Christian freaks at my school, so I have ZERO sympathy for you.

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!


i'm sry that some christians have behaved like that but not all christians are like that i am just a nomal person who puts my faith in an extrodinary God i am in no way better then ne one else i make mistakes i lie and other things not intentionally but bad is in us all nomatter who u are

lauren

I know what you mean - I find injecting some common sense into it as well. Like for example not binge drinking/doing drugs (your body should be a temple, holy and pleasing to the Lord, a living sacrifice - something like that lol) that's just common sense anyway - who really wants to go and destroy themselves for no realy gain?

Oh there is a gain just not in the physical rewards area like say monitary gain. I'd say its a gain in a mental way such as say a religious experience would fill you with joy or happiness or someone who gets an emotional feeling from reading a good book, the same goes for a drug user.

There are a whole bunch of you "holier-than-thou", God shall smite anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as I do Christian freaks at my school, so I have ZERO sympathy for you.

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!

I surely hope you're not an atheist, because people who treat others like this are nothing but a cheap weapon for the fundamentalists. Lack of compassion makes you just as bad as the "holier than thou" nutjobs you encounter.

I think they mean morally Christian, not persecuted for being Christian. There's a lot of behavior in schools that is immoral (by Christian standards) and can be hurtful to what they believe in. My advice would be to pray and realize that any temptation was meant to reinforce your faith, not destroy it.
Being around temptation is part of being human. Rejecting those said temptations based on faith is nothing new. Christian teens are no more threatened then any teens in the past. I'd be willing to say it's lighter on students now then it was during the late 80s. What they are trying to do is make themselves victims.

Being around temptation is part of being human. Rejecting those said temptations based on faith is nothing new. Christian teens are no more threatened then any teens in the past. I'd be willing to say it's lighter on students now then it was during the late 80s. What they are trying to do is make themselves victims.

They're not threatened, but I can see full well where they are coming from. Some of the things I've seen are outright disgusting and repulsive, and it's hard to keep your faith when you have to face so many challenges.

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

Do you live in the 1800's??

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.
What school is this? Open sex? In the halls? For some reason I'm inclined to believe that you go to pulledoutofyourass high.

if you're speaking of me I am only telling the truth. Young people are generally liberal, and liberalism does go against a lot of the teachings of christianity.

gays, abortion etc...
youre talking about protestanism. our catholic views are more open, Creation not being science and so on, it isnt hard, if you feel insulted for being a christian in your school then youre too conservative

Do you live in the 1800's??

I'm wondering which school he goes to. :)

If you think it's hard being a Christian at an American public school... try going to an American school if you're a pagan.

It seems to me that Christians have it easiest at public schools. They are accepted, because they are the majority, and viewed as "normal," while other faiths are thought of as "weird."

Basically, cry me a river, and then build a bridge and get over it. If you want school to cater to your specific religion, go to a private school.

What school is this? Open sex? In the halls? For some reason I'm inclined to believe that you go to pulledoutofyourass high.

i don't mean actually having sex publically.. although it does go on outside of school

i mean they actually talk about stuff that really isn't good...

it's the liberal media thats got to them.

and i go to a private school....

They're not threatened, but I can see full well where they are coming from. Some of the things I've seen are outright disgusting and repulsive, and it's hard to keep your faith when you have to face so many challenges.
No, it's not hard to be a christian today, at all in America. The largest student organization on my highschool was Students of Christ or something along that lines. My area wasn't all that deeply religious either. Christianity is the prevalent religion. If your feeling like keeping your faith difficult, you could go to a church on any corner of a block. Cause im Sure they're going to be that common. Just because the schools are secular does not mean that their faith is suddenly harder to keep. I will not sympathize for any christian unless they are in an actual dire situation...say a school in indonesia.

youre talking about protestanism. our catholic views are more open, Creation not being science and so on, it isnt hard, if you feel insulted for being a christian in your school then youre too conservative
Catholic more open? Doesn't sound like the Catholics I know.

There are a whole bunch of you "holier-than-thou", God shall smite anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as I do Christian freaks at my school, so I have ZERO sympathy for you.

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!
Lighten up dude. She's 15 for chrissakes and she's not trolling. That sort of thing is only appropriate for Loyal Christians and Jesussaves threads.

I surely hope you're not an atheist, because people who treat others like this are nothing but a cheap weapon for the fundamentalists. Lack of compassion makes you just as bad as the "holier than thou" nutjobs you encounter.

I'm a Buddhist actually and while I know Compassion is a quality I should cultivate I just can' bring myself to feel the SLIGTHIST sympathy for the "poor suffering Christians"... Who just happen to be succeeding in their plot to turn America into a theocracy!

No, it's not hard to be a christian today, at all in America. The largest student organization on my highschool was Students of Christ or something along that lines. My area wasn't all that deeply religious either. Christianity is the prevalent religion. If your feeling like keeping your faith difficult, you could go to a church on any corner of a block. Cause im Sure they're going to be that common. Just because the schools are secular does not mean that their faith is suddenly harder to keep. I will not sympathize for any christian unless they are in an actual dire situation...say a school in indonesia.

Faith isn't hard to keep in the presence of people who don't believe.

IIRC, in Luke 15, the Pharisees criticize Jesus because "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them."

It wasn't a problem for Jesus - so why should it be a problem for you?

Catholic more open? Doesn't sound like the Catholics I know.
You should come party with a few of us then. We know how to have a good time.

What school is this? Open sex? In the halls? For some reason I'm inclined to believe that you go to pulledoutofyourass high.

Kids brag about who they had sex with and make bets on who can get in who's pants first it's very realist it's disgusting they have no respect for their bodies any more

lauren

i don't mean actually having sex publically.. although it does go on outside of school

i mean they actually talk about stuff that really isn't good...

it's the liberal media thats got to them.

and i go to a private school....
Oh noooos!!! Not the liberal media !!! Take out the crusifixes and tinfoil hats!

Faith isn't hard to keep in the presence of people who don't believe.

IIRC, in Luke 15, the Pharisees criticize Jesus because "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them."

It wasn't a problem for Jesus - so why should it be a problem for you?
I'm trying to say it isnt hard to be a christian, in an american public school. Anyone who thinks it is, are trying to either make themselves victims or are blind to how bad some other faiths have it.

Kids brag about who they had sex with and make bets on who can get in who's pants first it's very realist it's disgusting they have no respect for their bodies any more

lauren
Which has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with internal morals. One can be an atheist can not do those sort of things (I am), one can be a christian and run around doing drugs and having sex with half the school. I know more then a few of those.

"she was doubting that her relationship with Aaron was something that was pleasing to God. God calls us to surround ourselves with people who are going to build us up, not bring us down. Because Stacey already has an existing relationship with God, she needs someone who can share in that joy and who can relate to her spiritually."


As long as you don't become one of the people that says things like that I have the greates respect for those that live there beliefs.

Kids brag about who they had sex with and make bets on who can get in who's pants first it's very realist it's disgusting they have no respect for their bodies any more

lauren

Its their body they can do whatever the hell they please with it. You shouldn't be judging people because of what they do especially if your a "Christian".:rolleyes:

Kids brag about who they had sex with and make bets on who can get in who's pants first it's very realist it's disgusting they have no respect for their bodies any more

lauren

Most of the people who brag about sex have never had it. And talking like that is something they think will impress their friends.

Put in a corner and forced to get busy, most of them would suddenly find their respect for their body.

So don't worry about it. Worry about your own relationship with God, and live by example.

Kids brag about who they had sex with and make bets on who can get in who's pants first it's very realist it's disgusting they have no respect for their bodies any more

lauren

Well, that may be true, but it's still their bodies right?

you guys are just born agains, Conservite Cathlics are the only way! yay for privite schools, and public exutcutions yay

Which has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with internal morals. One can be an atheist can not do those sort of things (I am), one can be a christian and run around doing drugs and having sex with half the school. I know more then a few of those.


if they do that stuff they rn't a true christian no offence to them but that's just how it is


lauren

if they do that stuff they rn't a true christian no offence to them but that's just how it is


lauren

ROFL. Wow that just sounds so casual. Its like saying well if she has sex shes a whore, no offence to her. What ever happened to let he without sin cast the first stone?:rolleyes:

i don't want to seem judgemental bc i really am not. i believe haveing sex before marrage is wrong but i still talk to ppl who have had sex n i defend them if someone calls them a slut or what i'm not evil or judgemental all ppl are equal i am in no way better then anyone else

lauren

A christian woman is as absurd as a black KKK member. :rolleyes:

ROFL. Wow that just sounds so casual. Its like saying well if she has sex shes a whore, no offence to her. What ever happened to let he without sin cast the first stone?:rolleyes:

A person who does not follow the tenets of Christianity is not a Christian.

i don't want to seem judgemental bc i really am not. i believe haveing sex before marrage is wrong but i still talk to ppl who have had sex n i defend them if someone calls them a slut or what i'm not evil or judgemental all ppl are equal i am in no way better then anyone else

lauren

:fluffle: society needs people like, you, I'll be off now

(I'm slightly against society)

Its their body they can do whatever the hell they please with it. You shouldn't be judging people because of what they do especially if your a "Christian".:rolleyes:

Look. all shes trying to do is stop people like you going to hell... but if you want an eternity of pain and suffering. then why should we bother.

we're not punishing you, we're not judging you. we're just warning you out of compassion.

i don't want to seem judgemental bc i really am not. i believe haveing sex before marrage is wrong but i still talk to ppl who have had sex n i defend them if someone calls them a slut or what i'm not evil or judgemental all ppl are equal i am in no way better then anyone else

lauren

You don't want to seem judgemental but you are really acting it. I mean your making blatant judgements about people on here so how is that supposed to make me think you aren't judgemental?

Look. all shes trying to do is stop people like you going to hell... but if you want an eternity of pain and suffering. then why should we bother.
You can have fun with all that believing in hell jazz. I'll just stick with not knowing and just being a good person.

we're not punishing you, we're not judging you. we're just warning you out of compassion.
Hmm I didn't see any warnings in those posts just judging people based on what they've been doing.

i don't want to seem judgemental bc i really am not. i believe haveing sex before marrage is wrong but i still talk to ppl who have had sex n i defend them if someone calls them a slut or what i'm not evil or judgemental all ppl are equal i am in no way better then anyone else

lauren

:fluffle: society needs more people like you.
I'll be off now

(I'm slightly against society

if they do that stuff they rn't a true christian no offence to them but that's just how it is


lauren
So, who died and made you pope?


Last time I checked the Good Lord was the only person who could decide who was a "true" christian or not, and he's all mercyful.

So, who died and made you pope?


Last time I checked the Good Lord was the only person who could decide who was a "true" christian or not, and he's all mercyful.

not ALL merciful, or there'd be no need for hell.

Look. all shes trying to do is stop people like you going to hell... but if you want an eternity of pain and suffering. then why should we bother.
What denomination are you? Seriously, because you have no power to say anything along these lines. Half of the christians think the other half is going to hell just because they don't follow their particular brand of christianity. Most of those attacks are against the Catholic church, which probably has more say then any other since it kind of put together the bible. So what denomination are you?

Last time I checked the Good Lord was the only person who could decide who was a "true" christian or not, and he's all mercyful.

He's merciful if you're truly penitent for your actions. You don't get a free pass to do whatever the hell you want and then it's all okay in the end. People who don't follow what Jesus teaches aren't Christians, because Christianity is the religion drawn from the teachings of Jesus.

not ALL merciful, or there'd be no need for hell.
Who says that there is a hell?


More to the point, who says that hell is occupied by more then the worst of the worst, those who have rejected god willingly and warred against him (satan)?

Look. all shes trying to do is stop people like you going to hell... but if you want an eternity of pain and suffering. then why should we bother.

we're not punishing you, we're not judging you. we're just warning you out of compassion.
oh man, people like you always crack me up.

So, who died and made you pope?


Last time I checked the Good Lord was the only person who could decide who was a "true" christian or not, and he's all mercyful.


good point you are correct God is the only one who truely knows a persons heart i also know that if a person loves God and wants to follow his ways which include leaving a sinful nature(drugs, sex befor marrage, lieing) behind but that doesn't make them perfect every one messes up at times even me

lauren

A person who does not follow the tenets of Christianity is not a Christian.

I was more refering to the no offence part of her post. It was so rediculous to make a statement like that and then add the no offence part like someone was supposed to go well thats offensive to me but oh look she said she really means no offence so I'll let her off the hook.

they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.
Blasphemy is an important part of every nutritious diet. I know I get loads with my Corn Flakes every morning.

Seriously though, Blasphemy isn't a term that carries a lot of weight. If they're saying God or Jesus as curses, fair enough, it's worth an explanation. But I could say something against your scripture that is entirely correct in my view that would be taken as Blasphemy against your particular God (That is, the Judaistic God condones sacrifice, which is a beastly and wasteful process, and thus that that particular interpretation of God is morally deficient in some way).

There's a difference between questioning biblical interpretations and disrespecting God; a difference between refusing to accept your views as fact and actively ridiculing whatever Gods exist. Surely Blasphemy as a crime can only be applied to the latter of those cases?

Look. all shes trying to do is stop people like you going to hell... but if you want an eternity of pain and suffering. then why should we bother.

we're not punishing you, we're not judging you. we're just warning you out of compassion.

What on earth for?
Do you honestly think that there is one corner of the globe left or one single human being that hasn't been warned by a Christian zealot yet? If they haven't converted, maybe it's because they don't want to. So why not leave them in peace?

oh man, people like you always crack me up.

The one way you don't encourage people to act morally is through threat of punishment. If anything, seeing the good that comes of moral actions should convince people, not hell or suffering. Negative reinforcement just doesn't work.

There are a whole bunch of you "holier-than-thou", God shall smite anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as I do Christian freaks at my school, so I have ZERO sympathy for you.

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!


You dont have to think her opinion is correct but you shouldn't be putting her down because she is giving her opinion.Grow up and be more respectfull to others

What denomination are you? Seriously, because you have no power to say anything along these lines. Half of the christians think the other half is going to hell just because they don't follow their particular brand of christianity. Most of those attacks are against the Catholic church, which probably has more say then any other since it kind of put together the bible. So what denomination are you?

non-denominational... but leaning towards protestantism..

non-denominational...
...oh dear. I'm sorry. Really, I do feel sorry for you now. Last time a friend of mine dragged me to a nondenominational church, the church actually had few churches that all were in sync which made it a denomination and they spent the entire time saying "jesus is good the devil is bad"... you have my deepest sympathies.

...oh dear. I'm sorry. Really, I do feel sorry for you now. Last time a friend of mine dragged me to a nondenominational church, the church actually had few churches that all were in sync which made it a denomination and they spent the entire time saying "jesus is good the devil is bad"... you have my deepest sympathies.

you don't need to feel sorry for me, i am quite happy with my particular believfs, as i am sure that most christians, whatver denomination, are.

I'm a Buddhist actually and while I know Compassion is a quality I should cultivate I just can' bring myself to feel the SLIGTHIST sympathy for the "poor suffering Christians"... Who just happen to be succeeding in their plot to turn America into a theocracy!

I go to a catholic high school, and I'm one of the most liberal guys you can find. It doesn't bother me, because me and all my friends are "veterans" of public schools. The same kinds of sex and drugs goes on, it's just more secetive.

Neo, I highly doubt your Buddhist, because you seem so angry. Buddhism, just like any religion, is about peace, not bashing others for their beliefs. Try meditating and stop reading conspiracy theories. It will do a world of good for you. America is one of the most liberal countries on Earth, seconded only by the nations of Scandinavia. Your not impressing anyone by poking fun at people who live out their faith and are made fun of because of ignorance.

If you can't be part of the soulution, don't be part of the problem.

you don't need to feel sorry for me, i am quite happy with my particular believfs, as i am sure that most christians, whatver denomination, are.
As long as your church isn't one of the ones that cheapens my own by making it a concert and a purely entertainment value, I got no problem with it.

As long as your church isn't one of the ones that cheapens my own by making it a concert and a purely entertainment value, I got no problem with it.

I don't go to church. I watch online sermons. I have no-one to take me to church. my mom won't... shes not christian.

OK, enough, guys.

They're just expressing what they (and I, in some parts) believe. According to our religion, yes, many people are going to Hell, but since they don't believe in anything like it, why should they worry? I, for one, don't believe I'm better than others for being a Christian, but that's mainly the attitude of American Christians. It happens in other places, but it's more common in the US.

Not believing in God doesn't mean automatic damnation, since people can reach the state of grace by having good will and being a nice person. I should back that up, but I haven't researched nor I'm in the mood to investigate more about theology at the moment.

PS: I'm Catholic.

I go to a catholic high school, and I'm one of the most liberal guys you can find. It doesn't bother me, because me and all my friends are "veterans" of public schools. The same kinds of sex and drugs goes on, it's just more secetive.

Neo, I highly doubt your Buddhist, because you seem so angry. Buddhism, just like any religion, is about peace, not bashing others for their beliefs. Try meditating and stop reading conspiracy theories. It will do a world of good for you. America is one of the most liberal countries on Earth, seconded only by the nations of Scandinavia. Your not impressing anyone by poking fun at people who live out their faith and are made fun of because of ignorance.

If you can't be part of the soulution, don't be part of the problem.

I'm only as angry as the next guy. :)

Besides venting online has proven to be quiet therapeutic for me!


And America is no where NEAR liberal, take a good hard look at it's leadership WHICH IS ELECTED!!!

As long as your church isn't one of the ones that cheapens my own by making it a concert and a purely entertainment value, I got no problem with it.

Ever sat through a Catholic mass? I'd like more dancing and singing in it, I'll tell you.

I'm only as angry as the next guy. :)
Besides venting online has proven to be quiet therapeutic for me!

Well, better to vent it than keep it in...

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!

Firstly, I suspect you dont know the original poster of this. Second, its more mature to hate the attitude, not the person holding the attitude. It is never right to hate a person

I don't go to church. I watch online sermons. I have no-one to take me to church. my mom won't... shes not christian.
Online seminars... I probably should drop it right now. I might be back in like an hour or so after I eat...Online seminars...that's nearly as bad as the drive in church I saw.

You are a brave individual. Stand up for what you believe.

oh yeah, christians are really an opressed minority in this country

I'm only as angry as the next guy. :)

Besides venting online has proven to be quiet therapeutic for me!

It's when you vent it at others that people get angry. Try not to, I don't want to get banned, I have 3 wars in II going on right now.

Ever sat through a Catholic mass? I'd like more dancing and singing in it, I'll tell you.
I used to have to do it twice a week when I was in a Catholic school. So yes, I am a veteran of Catholic masses.

What is with the trolls today.

How is this trolling?

Come on now everybody. If you say you are christian (and actualy believe, not just say you do) in god you will go to heaven. No one should actualy bash anybody about thier denomination. I go to a babtist church, and i have a freind thats non-denominational, that doesnt mean i think hes going to hell. He just does his thing different thats all. And if we all believe in god and live our lives like the bible tells us to it realy doesnt matter.

oh yeah, christians are really an opressed minority in this country

It's not Christians in general, it's the ones that follow their faith closlely that are the oppressed because of ignorant people like you. Not making fun of you, I'm saying your world view is narrow.

Online seminars... I probably should drop it right now. I might be back in like an hour or so after I eat...Online seminars...that's nearly as bad as the drive in church I saw.

Oh what a load of rubbish. as long as you accept Christ the Lord into your hearts and let him fill you with good do you think it matters where you worship?

yes, one day i hope to go to church, but I'm sorry, at this particular moment in time, it is not an option.

Hauk-hafoc-habuh-kobet']Come on now everybody. If you say you are christian (and actualy believe, not just say you do) in god you will go to heaven. No one should actualy bash anybody about thier denomination. I go to a babtist church, and i have a freind thats non-denominational, that doesnt mean i think hes going to hell. He just does his thing different thats all. And if we all believe in god and live our lives like the bible tells us to it realy doesnt matter.


Hoorah! :D

The one way you don't encourage people to act morally is through threat of punishment. If anything, seeing the good that comes of moral actions should convince people, not hell or suffering. Negative reinforcement just doesn't work.
The thing that pisses me off is that devout christians always asume that since i'm not christian I can't live morally.
-I respect my parents
-I respect my fellow man
-I respect myself (I don't smoke, I drink very moderatly, I smoked weed 5 times in the last 3 years, I never had sex, I'm 20 years old)
-I've never stolen anything
-I've never intentionally hurt anyone
-I place the bible on the same hight as Tolkiens Sillmarillion: an entertaining fantasy tale.
-I think God is a load of bull

Based on this, according to most christians, I will go to hell. That seems just very fucked up to me ...

I don't go to church. I watch online sermons. I have no-one to take me to church. my mom won't... shes not christian.


i think God will repect and appreciate your effort to learn more about him any way u can

lauren

You don't want to seem judgemental but you are really acting it. I mean your making blatant judgements about people on here so how is that supposed to make me think you aren't judgemental?

You make judgements about a Christian about what is and isn't sinful behaviour. You dont judge people.

Oh what a load of rubbish. as long as you accept Christ the Lord into your hearts and let him fill you with good do you think it matters where you worship?

yes, one day i hope to go to church, but I'm sorry, at this particular moment in time, it is not an option.

That shouldn't stop you.

Call your local priest or some who works there and ask him/her to take you to church, 99% chance that someone will take you there.

i think God will repect and appreciate your effort to learn more about him any way u can

lauren

why thank you.

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

You just said it... I mean I ain't hating on your religion or anything
just don't go preaching it around... someone can find it very insulting.

The thing that pisses me off is that devout christians always asume that since i'm not christian I can't live morally.
-I respect my parents
-I respect my fellow man
-I respect myself (I don't smoke, I drink very moderatly, I smoked weed 5 times in the last 3 years, I never had sex, I'm 20 years old)
-I've never stolen anything
-I've never intentionally hurt anyone
-I place the bible on the same hight as Tolkiens Sillmarillion: an entertaining fantasy tale.
-I think God is a load of bull

Based on this, according to most christians, I will go to hell. That seems just very fucked up to me ...

Nobody's perfect, I'm sure you've stolen one too many samples from the Tokyo Express restaraunt. ;)

That shouldn't stop you.

Call your local priest or some who works there and ask him/her to take you to church, 99% chance that someone will take you there.

my local church is Church of England, there isn't a non-denominational church in miles. In fact I don't even know if there is one in Britain. I've never seen one.

The thing that pisses me off is that devout christians always asume that since i'm not christian I can't live morally.
-I respect my parents
-I respect my fellow man
-I respect myself (I don't smoke, I drink very moderatly, I smoked weed 5 times in the last 3 years, I never had sex, I'm 20 years old)
-I've never stolen anything
-I've never intentionally hurt anyone
-I place the bible on the same hight as Tolkiens Sillmarillion: an entertaining fantasy tale.
-I think God is a load of bull

Based on this, according to most christians, I will go to hell. That seems just very fucked up to me ...

you are correct as in according to the christian faith u will go to hell bc we aren't saved or sent to heaven based on the good things we do we have to believe that God sent his son to die for our sins and that we could not save ourselves

lauren

You just said it... I mean I ain't hating on your religion or anything
just don't go preaching it around... someone can find it very insulting.

Agreed.

Hauk-hafoc-habuh-kobet']Come on now everybody. If you say you are christian (and actualy believe, not just say you do) in god you will go to heaven. No one should actualy bash anybody about thier denomination. I go to a babtist church, and i have a freind thats non-denominational, that doesnt mean i think hes going to hell. He just does his thing different thats all. And if we all believe in god and live our lives like the bible tells us to it realy doesnt matter.


What about a denomination that says no matter what you do you will go to heaven as long as you are "good" or soem other absurd things. You can live by the bible, and believe in God and still miss heaven. Jesus is the only way to heaven. Point Blank..not church, not beleiving in God alone( read James2:19 for that one)not any of that....only jesus

dude its ok, im the same way. I never did any of that stuff either. Plus im not a ignorant christian either, i kinda just started. It was confusing to me to, i thought im just fine im a good person, and i thot it was pretty f'ed up that my MOTHER kepped telling me im going to hell. And about if your catholic im not bashing you, like i said you just believe different so its all good in the end

What about a denomination that says no matter what you do you will go to heaven as long as you are "good" or soem other absurd things. You can live by the bible, and believe in God and still miss heaven. Jesus is the only way to heaven. Point Blank..not church, not beleiving in God alone( read James2:19 for that one)not any of that....only jesus

:)

you are correct as in according to the christian faith u will go to hell bc we aren't saved or sent to heaven based on the good things we do we have to believe that God sent his son to die for our sins and that we could not save ourselves

lauren

I find that retarded, I'm sorry. I believe in God, but I think Ganhdi shouldn't go to hell because he wasn't a Chrisitian.

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren
personally, being jewish, i was incredibly pissed off with the christians i went to school with and christians in general. half of the christians had a holier-than-thou complex which made me want to hurt them and the prevalence of christianinty in our culture in general annoyed the living hell out of me. i don't want anything to do with christmas or easter, they're all crappy christian-commercial holidays. oh, and having a christian chaplain at school pissed me off because he kept on organising christian events which we could go to or have forced study (asshat).

Agreed.


Yeah... it's not the religion that I despises

it's the people who preach about it being superior to everything
and anything, and how it gave birth to us....

did it not cross their mind that some of us don't believe what they say.

Nobody's perfect, I'm sure you've stolen one too many samples from the Tokyo Express restaraunt. ;)
I don't even know what a Tokyo Express restaurant is :p
Now I think of it I once swiped a can of pineapple from a super market ... I forgot I put it in my pocket because my hands were full. I noticed it was still in my pocket after I paid for the rest of my groceries and left the store already. Me is evil ... :(

you are correct as in according to the christian faith u will go to hell bc we aren't saved or sent to heaven based on the good things we do we have to believe that God sent his son to die for our sins and that we could not save ourselves

lauren

Well first that depends on the denomination of christianity you believe in and second that is an incredibly offensive thing to say. Would you like it if I went around and said well your nice and all but since you don't believe in Odin and Ragnorok your going to the norse hell where you'll burn for all eternity?

why thank you.

he is probubly also pleased that you rn't going against your parents wishes bc we are supposed to obey our parents i am sure that is hard for you with them not being christians but if u need prayer or just wanna chat feel free to im me e mail me or leave me a telegram n i will get back to u within a day!

God bless
lauren

you are correct as in according to the christian faith u will go to hell bc we aren't saved or sent to heaven based on the good things we do we have to believe that God sent his son to die for our sins and that we could not save ourselves

lauren
in my opinion, that's a load of bullc**p. they just say that to force people to convert. i much prefer the idea that actions speak louder than words when it comes to what happens in the afterlife. admittedly, as a jew: there is no heaven and hell so it doesn't matter

personally, being jewish, i was incredibly pissed off with the christians i went to school with and christians in general. half of the christians had a holier-than-thou complex which made me want to hurt them and the prevalence of christianinty in our culture in general annoyed the living hell out of me. i don't want anything to do with christmas or easter, they're all crappy christian-commercial holidays. oh, and having a christian chaplain at school pissed me off because he kept on organising christian events which we could go to or have forced study (asshat).

This is nothin new so dont worry, personaly i believe if you are jewish you are not going to hell. For one jewish were the choosen people if im not mistaken, i dont think god would let them go to hell.

my local church is Church of England, there isn't a non-denominational church in miles. In fact I don't even know if there is one in Britain. I've never seen one.

What's wrong with Church of England? That's a Christian church, too. You can get your Jesus there, too.

he is probubly also pleased that you rn't going against your parents wishes bc we are supposed to obey our parents i am sure that is hard for you with them not being christians but if u need prayer or just wanna chat feel free to im me e mail me or leave me a telegram n i will get back to u within a day!

God bless
lauren
the words of the commandment say "honour thy father and thy mother" not obey them. there's a pretty big difference there

What's wrong with Church of England? That's a Christian church, too. You can get your Jesus there, too.

Heh, get your Jesus there. I'm gonna write that down. :p

it doesn't matter what or how you believe its that you believe in the first place.

we are all going to the same place but getting there in different ways. why can't everyone just forget what someone else believes?

the u.s. is a terribly protestant christian nation and its being infused into politics and education.

by the way, i'm a NPC (non-practicing catholic) :p

There is nothing wrong with any church as long as it believes in and worships god, and uses the bible as its teachings

Hauk-hafoc-habuh-kobet']This is nothin new so dont worry, personaly i believe if you are jewish you are not going to hell. For one jewish were the choosen people if im not mistaken, i dont think god would let them go to hell.
yeah, but according to christianity, we still have to become christians to be "saved"

you are correct as in according to the christian faith u will go to hell bc we aren't saved or sent to heaven based on the good things we do we have to believe that God sent his son to die for our sins and that we could not save ourselves

lauren
If that really is true, I don't even want to go to heaven. Cause it would mean I would have to spend eternity with self righteous, stuck up people like you ...

The thing that pisses me off is that devout christians always asume that since i'm not christian I can't live morally.
-I respect my parents
-I respect my fellow man
-I respect myself (I don't smoke, I drink very moderatly, I smoked weed 5 times in the last 3 years, I never had sex, I'm 20 years old)
-I've never stolen anything
-I've never intentionally hurt anyone
-I place the bible on the same hight as Tolkiens Sillmarillion: an entertaining fantasy tale.
-I think God is a load of bull

Based on this, according to most christians, I will go to hell. That seems just very fucked up to me ...

The reason for this, is that God doesnt save us on the grounds of our works. He will save or not save us on the basis of sin. IE Whether we have it or not. No matter how much good you do in your life, good doesnt undo any sin you've done in the past. It doesnt travel back in time and undo it. Sin is sin, all is the same to God. This might make some people think he's somewhat simplistic if he sees murder the same as blasphemey but thats not what is meant. If you miss a target by an inch or by a yard you have still missed. Thats what sin is like for us and God. No matter how good we are, we cant be perfect, which is what's needed to 'work' our way to heaven. Forutnerly God made a solution for us to get to heaven that did not involve us being perfect. Via Jesus's death. Now if we accept that we have sinned, ask God to forgive us of our sins and attempt to live our lives the way God wanted us to and do all of those things with sinceirty, then we will be forgiven and can enter heaven

What's wrong with Church of England? That's a Christian church, too. You can get your Jesus there, too.

I do not like the fact that C of E and Catholics are constantly fighting and killing each other in northern ireland.

the words of the commandment say "honour thy father and thy mother" not obey them. there's a pretty big difference there

Respect what your mother and father are. You are independent. Just because your parents are athiest/agnostic/humanist doesn't mean that you have to be. The purpose of church is for all of God's people to get together. The purpose of the internent is for news, illegal music, porn, fraggin your friends, and going on NS. Get it straight.

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not believing in jesus is not a sin

Respect what your mother and father are. You are independent. Just because your parents are athiest/agnostic/humanist doesn't mean that you have to be. The purpose of church is for all of God's people to get together. The purpose of the internent is for news, illegal music, porn, fraggin your friends, and going on NS. Get it straight.
which is far closer to what i said than what she said
anyway, off to my exam :headbang:

not believing in jesus is not a sin

No, but not believing in Jesus means that your sins wont be forgiven.

Hauk-hafoc-habuh-kobet']There is nothing wrong with any church as long as it believes in and worships god, and uses the bible as its teachings

are we ignoring other religions? here's a big culture shock to bible-thumping christians:
Jesus and Moses are in the Koran
Along with other Prophets

*has an epiphany :rolleyes: *
oh wait, it doesn't matter because no one will listen to someone with different ideas than theirs.

whatever you believe, that's what will happen to you.

Hauk-hafoc-habuh-kobet']There is nothing wrong with any church as long as it believes in and worships god, and uses the bible as its teachings


what about, priest raping little boys... I mean... is that wrong too.:D

I do not like the fact that C of E and Catholics are constantly fighting and killing each other in northern ireland.

People don't kill each other solely over religion, or ideology, either. I know it sounds stupid, but religion as a cause of war is used by ignorant athiests. Check up on it. Name me one war were the cause was specifically religion.

I do not like the fact that C of E and Catholics are constantly fighting and killing each other in northern ireland.

Firstly, its not C of E and Catholics. Its Catholics and Protestants. Secondly, its hardly constant. The cease fire has now been in operation for several months now. And even before the ceace fire the conflict was sparadic and not as common as everyone thought

what about, priest raping little boys... I mean... is that wrong too.:D

Those are ALOT more isolated than you may think. The media, in their never-ending quest for profit, has destroyed the reputation of the Catholic faith because a few priests broke their sacred vows. Thousands of boys are raped by men everyday. Thousands of girls are sexually abused everyday. Where's the "FoX Exclusive" on them?

are we ignoring other religions? here's a big culture shock to bible-thumping christians:
Jesus and Moses are in the Koran
Along with other Prophets

*has an epiphany :rolleyes: *
oh wait, it doesn't matter because no one will listen to someone with different ideas than theirs.

whatever you believe, that's what will happen to you.

Jesus and Moses and other prophets may be in the Quran, but Jesus fufills over three hundurd prophicies made about him in the old testement. The Muslims and the Jews do not recognise this. Not to mention the miricles, the casting out of deamons and the rising from the dead

The reason for this, is that God doesnt save us on the grounds of our works. He will save or not save us on the basis of sin. IE Whether we have it or not. No matter how much good you do in your life, good doesnt undo any sin you've done in the past. It doesnt travel back in time and undo it. Sin is sin, all is the same to God. This might make some people think he's somewhat simplistic if he sees murder the same as blasphemey but thats not what is meant. If you miss a target by an inch or by a yard you have still missed. Thats what sin is like for us and God. No matter how good we are, we cant be perfect, which is what's needed to 'work' our way to heaven. Forutnerly God made a solution for us to get to heaven that did not involve us being perfect. Via Jesus's death. Now if we accept that we have sinned, ask God to forgive us of our sins and attempt to live our lives the way God wanted us to and do all of those things with sinceirty, then we will be forgiven and can enter heaven
Iced Earth has a rather nice song about this
Brainwashed

[Music : Schaffer, Shawver / Lyrics : Schaffer]

And so we begin with another sin
The earth's enslaved with hypocrites
They lay their heads to rest at night
Say a little prayer and all is right

Christ it's nothing personal
You've got to see
They twist and turn your words
For their own needs
They're brainwashed puppets
The almighty crutch
Cowards of reality
And their dying love

Living life in total lies
Judging others
Believe what I say or burn in hell
Bow down your head
You won't feel so bad
Do as I say or burn in hell

Close your eyes, look deep inside
Master of the ignorant
Master of the lies
Judgment day is close at hand
Generate that blasphemy
Master of the damned

Lies

Now behind your reflection
Lies the one who knows the truth
Your conscience will condemn you
On judgment day you'll lose

It seems very odd to me
How you sin and feel so free
And all you have to do is say
Forgive me ... I believe

Lies, foolish lies
Behind your brainwashed eyes
Lies, foolish lies
Behind your brainwashed eyes

Judge me not my shallow friend
Lest ye be judged yourself
You abuse the words you preach
You mold them for yourself
Brainwashed hypocrisy
Justifies the life you lead
Forgive me father I have sinned
Lay my head to rest again

Living life in total lies
Judging others
Believe what I say or burn in hell
Trust in me, say yes I believe
Do it now or burn in hell

Religion has killed more people than any other factor in history. It may not have been the direct or sole cause of any wars, but if you delve into any war you can find religion in there somewhere. You can't seriously defend the point that religion is peaceful, even if you are peaceful in your beliefs, the majority of conflict will have one of its roots in a religion. Assuming atheists (or anyone who disagrees with you for that matter) are 'ignorant' is in itself ignorant, I know more about Christianity than half the Christians I know for instance. Believe what you want to believe. I believe I have everything I need by myself, some people need to unlock their full potential with faith, its just another method. You can't seriously defend the point that religion is peaceful, even if you are, the majority of conflict will have one of its roots in a religion.

Jesus and Moses and other prophets may be in the Quran, but Jesus fufills over three hundurd prophicies made about him in the old testement. The Muslims and the Jews do not recognise this. Not to mention the miricles, the casting out of deamons and the rising from the dead

Who says the Bible is true in the first place? Hmmmm?

Religion has killed more people than any other factor in history. It may not have been the direct or sole cause of any wars, but if you delve into any war you can find religion in there somewhere. You can't seriously defend the point that religion is peaceful, even if you are peaceful in your beliefs, the majority of conflict will have one of its roots in a religion. Assuming atheists (or anyone who disagrees with you for that matter) are 'ignorant' is in itself ignorant, I know more about Christianity than half the Christians I know for instance. Believe what you want to believe. I believe I have everything I need by myself, some people need to unlock their full potential with faith, its just another method. You can't seriously defend the point that religion is peaceful, even if you are, the majority of conflict will have one of its roots in a religion.

Give me one example, please.

People don't kill each other solely over religion, or ideology, either. I know it sounds stupid, but religion as a cause of war is used by ignorant athiests. Check up on it. Name me one war were the cause was specifically religion.
Indeed religion is never the direct cause of any war, money and power are.
Religion is only used as an excuse by the powers to keep the masses under control and motivated for the war. examples: Northern Irelandn, the Crusades, the Jihad, ...

Only one guy ever walked the earth that never sinned can anybody guess who that was :) Anyway like i said i just started and finaly got it through my head that you cant go to heaven through good deads cuz someware down the line im sure you will sin (and almost 99.9% sure you have) you will go to hell if you dont ask for forgiveness, accept christ, and get saved. Now dont take this wrong im not bashing you, cuz trust me im not perfect either. I have to ask for forgiveness often but im getting better about letting god help me my decisions then doing it my way. It doesnt happen over nite or something its realy a walk, meaning you will fall, like alot of people say. And if you are a different religion its up to you, and thats fine with me. Im sorry some of you have this bad image about christians just please dont think all christians are stuck up snobs, cuz im not.:)

One example would be the multitude of wars fought in Mesopotamia between the Zoroastrian Sassanids and the Christian Romans. Another would be the Teutonic invasion of northeastern Europe. Yet another would be the war in The Sudan (the uprising of the Mahdi). Enough examples?

Iced Earth has a rather nice song about this
Brainwashed

[Music : Schaffer, Shawver / Lyrics : Schaffer]

And so we begin with another sin
The earth's enslaved with hypocrites
They lay their heads to rest at night
Say a little prayer and all is right

Christ it's nothing personal
You've got to see
They twist and turn your words
For their own needs
They're brainwashed puppets
The almighty crutch
Cowards of reality
And their dying love

Living life in total lies
Judging others
Believe what I say or burn in hell
Bow down your head
You won't feel so bad
Do as I say or burn in hell

Close your eyes, look deep inside
Master of the ignorant
Master of the lies
Judgment day is close at hand
Generate that blasphemy
Master of the damned

Lies

Now behind your reflection
Lies the one who knows the truth
Your conscience will condemn you
On judgment day you'll lose

It seems very odd to me
How you sin and feel so free
And all you have to do is say
Forgive me ... I believe

Lies, foolish lies
Behind your brainwashed eyes
Lies, foolish lies
Behind your brainwashed eyes

Judge me not my shallow friend
Lest ye be judged yourself
You abuse the words you preach
You mold them for yourself
Brainwashed hypocrisy
Justifies the life you lead
Forgive me father I have sinned
Lay my head to rest again

Living life in total lies
Judging others
Believe what I say or burn in hell
Trust in me, say yes I believe
Do it now or burn in hell

A piece of hollow anti-Christian rhetoric. Was there supposed to be some substance to this? To answer some specific points

"Do it now or burn in hell" - see here http://www.christian-thinktank.com/meorburn.html

As for "say a little prayer" did you not see the part about being sincere. Being a Christian isnt about saying sorry to God every time you sin, but still sinning. Its about making a concerted and sincere effort to live God's way. If your not doing that then your not being a Christian

"Judging others" Christians arnt supposed to judge others. We can state what we believe, we believe that sex before marriage is wrong, that blasphemy is wrong etc but thats not judging people. Its about hating actions not people. Obviously there are judgemental Christians, but they arent being Christians properly

"All you have to do is say
forgive me...I believe" Well if you believe and you want forgiveness then you would be making a sincere effort to live Gods way. As James says "Faith without deeds is nothing". If you believe that sin is so terrible then you should be trying to avoid it.

Hauk-hafoc-habuh-kobet']Only one guy ever walked the earth that never sinned can anybody guess who that was :) Anyway like i said i just started and finaly got it through my head that you cant go to heaven through good deads cuz someware down the line im sure you will sin (and almost 99.9% sure you have) you will go to hell if you dont ask for forgiveness, accept christ, and get saved. Now dont take this wrong im not bashing you, cuz trust me im not perfect either. I have to ask for forgiveness often but im getting better about letting god help me my decisions then doing it my way. It doesnt happen over nite or something its realy a walk, meaning you will fall, like alot of people say. And if you are a different religion its up to you, and thats fine with me. Im sorry some of you have this bad image about christians just please dont think all christians are stuck up snobs, cuz im not.:)

You're wasting your time. People see what they want to see. If they want to see Christians as stuck up snobs, they will filter all other Christians out and notice only the stuck up snobs. It isnt unique to this subject, its the standard way closed mindedness works.

Give me one example, please.

The crusades? :confused:

Ok this i think is very wrong. I Quote Sertoria " I know more about Christianity than half the Christians I know for instance" ITS NOT HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ITS IF YOU BELIEVE. ok i feal better. I dont know alot but if i believe, then i know im going to heaven.

cristianity, along with all other orgized religion is a big pile of outdated bs that origated along time ago to keep civilization in order. in the21st century society no longer needs the fear of god to protect us because the state is advanced enough to provide everything that religion has done in the past without the need to brainwash.

If you dont like school because it encourages people to think and ask questions why don't you drop out?

Let me give you a breakdown of the Religious conflicts of the 20th century.

First up, the Holocaust!

Hitler didn't hate the Jews, he simply needed a scapegoat for his rise to power. Since Jews had been presecuted since the days of Rome, they were perfect!

Next, Isreal!

After the holocaust, the displaced Jews of Europe needed a place to stay. After considering Madagascar, the Jews picked british Palestine, and plopped down in the desert there, after months of terrorizing the local Arabs, they took control of the country and expelled the local Arabs to DP camps in Gaza. The Arab world, outraged at this utter display of imperialism by the Jews and the UN, attacked Isreal for the remainder of the century, beaten back only by the US-trained and supplied IDF.

Of course, Northern Ireland!

Hostilies in NI had been going on for years, will newly independent Ireland claiming ownership over the British controlled Northern Ireland. Terrorist groups such as the IRA did battle with the British Army, hoping to loosen control of the country from British rule. Religion was simply a cover.

Last but not least, Yugoslavia!

After the breakup of Yugoslavia into Serbia, Albania, Croatia and etc. the new nations fueded and fueded, massacring each other as part of a vicious war, with massive casualties. The UN and NATO only added to the bloodshed by attacking the evil Serbians, who supposidly commited mass genocide. Though this was true, all sides commited horrible war-crimes, but the Western media took a blind eye to this. Again, religion was a cover used by both former yugoslavia and NATO.

Ahhh yes, the Crusades. Back in the days before democracy and the like, power-hungray kings ruled much of Europe. Setting their eyes on the Muslim occuipied Holy Land, which was at that time the most advanced post-Roman civilization in the world, they sought to control it. The soldiers who fought for the kings, who did not have google.com or NS back then, were told that the muslims were evil infindel invaders that must be vaguished in order to stop them from overruning Europe and to take back the Holy Land that was rightfully Chrisitian, so the Kings said...

Incidently, they were beaten back every time.

GO figure.

cristianity, along with all other orgized religion is a big pile of outdated bs that origated along time ago to keep civilization in order. in the21st century society no longer needs the fear of god to protect us because the state is advanced enough to provide everything that religion has done in the past without the need to brainwash.

If you dont like school because it encourages people to think and ask questions why don't you drop out?

Why don't you respect others opinions and stop thinking that religion is evil?

Who says the Bible is true in the first place? Hmmmm?

The bible :D

Not much other evidence, really. Some archeological finds about events from the OT, mainly concerning battles and settlements, but not a shred of evidence to confirm anything that happened in the NT.

You are correct Velkya, none of those would be good examples. However, the ones I gave were.
Sassanid-Roman wars - one major cause was Sassanid persecution of Christians. This sparked off many wars in which many people died.
Teutonic invasion - The Teutonic Order of Knights drove into northeastern Europe, subjugating as they went to 'spread the faith and subdue the heathen'.
The Sudan - The Muslims of the country were roused into a war by the prophet the 'Mahdi' who led his countrymen in a religious war against British forces.

I'll add another if you wish;
The crushing of the Cathar 'heretics' in southern France during the medieval period, where large numbers of people were killed purely for their faith.

Hauk-hafoc-habuh-kobet']Only one guy ever walked the earth that never sinned can anybody guess who that was :)

Gautama Buddha?

Religion has killed more people than any other factor in history. It may not have been the direct or sole cause of any wars, but if you delve into any war you can find religion in there somewhere. If you delve into any war you will find nations there. Let's bomb all the nations of the world out of existence so we don't get any more wars.

You are correct Velkya, none of those would be good examples. However, the ones I gave were.
Sassanid-Roman wars - one major cause was Sassanid persecution of Christians. This sparked off many wars in which many people died.
Teutonic invasion - The Teutonic Order of Knights drove into northeastern Europe, subjugating as they went to 'spread the faith and subdue the heathen'.
The Sudan - The Muslims of the country were roused into a war by the prophet the 'Mahdi' who led his countrymen in a religious war against British forces.

I'll add another if you wish;
The crushing of the Cathar 'heretics' in southern France during the medieval period, where large numbers of people were killed purely for their faith.

You could assume profane political motives behind any of these events, though.

I've read about the Mahdi, he did rally against the British and is seen by some as one of the "founding fathers" of modern Islamic fundamentalism. And yet one of his aims was to simply drive out the British occupation troops.

The Cathars (and the Waldensers and several other sects) were prosecuted and killed because they posed a very real threat to the undisputed influence the Catholic church held in Europe. The situation was similar to the situation in Germany after the Lutheran reformation, with the Catholic Church struggling to keep a hold to its power, influence and possessions.

*snippit*
Ahhh yes, the Crusades. Back in the days before democracy and the like, power-hungray kings ruled much of Europe. Setting their eyes on the Muslim occuipied Holy Land, which was at that time the most advanced post-Roman civilization in the world, they sought to control it. The soldiers who fought for the kings, who did not have google.com or NS back then, were told that the muslims were evil infindel invaders that must be vaguished in order to stop them from overruning Europe and to take back the Holy Land that was rightfully Chrisitian, so the Kings said...
That is exactly what I mean. The people with power always misuse peoples good faith for their own needs. Organized religions are the biggest evil this world has ever known.

You are correct Velkya, none of those would be good examples. However, the ones I gave were.
Sassanid-Roman wars - one major cause was Sassanid persecution of Christians. This sparked off many wars in which many people died.
Teutonic invasion - The Teutonic Order of Knights drove into northeastern Europe, subjugating as they went to 'spread the faith and subdue the heathen'.
The Sudan - The Muslims of the country were roused into a war by the prophet the 'Mahdi' who led his countrymen in a religious war against British forces.

I'll add another if you wish;
The crushing of the Cathar 'heretics' in southern France during the medieval period, where large numbers of people were killed purely for their faith.

I'm talking about war, not genocide.

The Romans likely wanted the Sassainid territory. This is not America, if a foreign nation kill citizens of Rome on their soil, it's likely that Rome would care less. Most Romans still believed in the pagan gods (i.e. Jupiter) and didn't fully embrace the Christian church. The Teutonic Order most likly wanted to subjigate the norse civilizations in order to rule over them and pacify them. The Mahdi was fighting British imperialism, not for religion, similar to the Jihad against America.

Gautama Buddha?
Mahatma Gandhi?

That is exactly what I mean. The people with power always misuse peoples good faith for their own needs. Organized religions are the biggest evil this world has ever known.

You have somehow taken what I have said and twisted it around.

I'm trying to prove that it's the governments, NOT the religion, that misuses God for monetary and territorial gain.

I just love how everyone thinks THEIR choice is the right one. Had you been raised in a diffrent home, country, year, had diffrent raisings, diffrent friends etc, you could be one of the other many choices,and then think you were right.

So many Religions...and all of them think they are right. Exactly what makes yours the correct one. I get sick of people coming to my house to wanna come in and tell me about their religion. I've asked everyone that comes by to explain to me that theirs is right and none yet has been able to explain other than what they were TAUGHT somewhere down the line. I dismiss all and they get the door

Just take your pick, shut the fuck up and stop telling people what they should be doing. I'm living my life like I think a higher power would want. I'm living my life to the fullest. I'm going to drink every now and then, have sex with my girlfriend,a nd keeping pushing my body harder and harder untill I finally crack every bone in there with my ski and board.

Why don't you respect others opinions and stop thinking that religion is evil?

I respect others opinions, but i reserve the right to dismiss them as stupid. and will continue to think that religion is evil because thats MY opinion

Killed because they went against the established religion. Surely had there been no established 'religion' then there would have been no genocide? I do not deny that political motives could exist behind any of these, but in any argument certainty is almost impossible :)
This is a good debate though, reasoned argument is always better than simple atheism/religion bashing.

Mahatma Gandhi?

No... no I think, he sinned. On Wednesdays. Sometimes.

I respect others opinions, but i reserve the right to dismiss them as stupid. and will continue to think that religion is evil because thats MY opinion

Calling someone stupid because they believe in religion is childish and ignorant.

Plus it's a great way to get banned.

Calling someone stupid because they believe in religion is childish and ignorant.

Plus it's a great way to get banned.

He didn't call anybody stupid. He said that to him, some opnions held by others, appear as stupid. Religion included. That may be slightly arrogant, but it is hardly a reason to get banned.

You have somehow taken what I have said and twisted it around.

I'm trying to prove that it's the governments, NOT the religion, that misuses God for monetary and territorial gain.

What about the Church during the dark ages? The pope rivaled the power of kings, and was very corrupt:

Excommunication for political purposes

And basically holding Kings at political ransom for gold.

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

Are you Catholic or Baptist?

Calling someone stupid because they believe in religion is childish and ignorant.

Plus it's a great way to get banned.

surely only as ignorant or childish as thinking someone is evil because of their sexual orientation or alternative beliefs.

you shouldnt be offended if i think religion is stupid. its only my opinion

It depends on your location and the maturity of your peers, most likely, but truth be told, unless your an obnoxious, raveing christan that throws bibles at people and screams " I AM FULL OF GOD'S LOVE!!!!!1!1!!" Then it shouldn't be too difficult to deal. And if its all the preasure given to ya to do stupid stuff, dont freak out about it. Most of that "lets go get drunk! lets take drugs! lets have sexual intercourse!" stuff is distrubted to everyone at one point. Just dont go around trying to "save" people by preaching. It can destory the respect people have for you, and just reinforce the bad behavior of the people bothering you to get a reation out of you. There's gonna be people who just are lost causes, for every and any type of belif. Its best to just hope they get hit in the face with a brick called "sence" and take effort to make their own lives better. If not. Well. You prayed?

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

judge not least yee be judge u guys support something like that, plus sex is a natural act unless of course it is by a priest and a choir boy:eek:

because public schools are so liberal and anti-christian
You're not even American. You don't know what you're talking about.

if you're speaking of me I am only telling the truth. Young people are generally liberal, and liberalism does go against a lot of the teachings of christianity.

gays, abortion etc...
Pffft, any Christian worth his salt knows that homosexuality is about 512th on the list of threats to the faith.

And since you're a hardcore conservative you should know all about the many points of conflict between your ideology and your religion.

Take the log out of your own eye before taking the stick out of someone else's eye.

There are a whole bunch of you "holier-than-thou", God shall smite anyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as I do Christian freaks at my school, so I have ZERO sympathy for you.

I hope your life becomes a living hell, since you seem to think that is where everyone who doesn't think EXACTLY as you do will wind up for DARING to disagree with you!
As _hero said, what's with all the trolls today?

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.
Oh, how dare they offend your sensitive mind.

i mean they actually talk about stuff that really isn't good...

it's the liberal media thats got to them.

and i go to a private school....
What's not good? What is this liberal media? The Sun? The Times? And if you go to a private school, how do you know anything about public schools?

you guys are just born agains, Conservite Cathlics are the only way! yay for privite schools, and public exutcutions yay
A Catholic who supports the death penalty? This is a new one.

Look. all shes trying to do is stop people like you going to hell... but if you want an eternity of pain and suffering. then why should we bother.
That's right, why should you bother?
we're not punishing you, we're not judging you. we're just warning you out of compassion.
So you don't think that any part of your religion should be law? I had no idea you were so liberal!

What denomination are you? Seriously, because you have no power to say anything along these lines. Half of the christians think the other half is going to hell just because they don't follow their particular brand of christianity. Most of those attacks are against the Catholic church, which probably has more say then any other since it kind of put together the bible. So what denomination are you?
I think that he's Republichristian.

non-denominational... but leaning towards protestantism..
Did the Americans tell you that Catholics were bad?

Join the Southern Baptist Convention!


-I place the bible on the same hight as Tolkiens Sillmarillion: an entertaining fantasy tale.
The Silmarillion is much more than that; it is a masterpiece of beauty, of greatest glory and deepest sorrow, and of immortal love and fellowship defeating evil against all hope.

[/fanboy rant]

my local church is Church of England, there isn't a non-denominational church in miles. In fact I don't even know if there is one in Britain. I've never seen one.
Isn't a "non-denominational church" a contradiction? Why not try out the Church of England?

I do not like the fact that C of E and Catholics are constantly fighting and killing each other in northern ireland.
Firstly that's not true. Most NI Protestants are not CofE.

Secondly, Why do you have such difficulty separating politics from religion?

Gautama Buddha?
Why was Buddha any better than Jesus?

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

Oh, how dare they offend your sensitive mind

He was saying he found it distubing, he wasnt complaining that it was distubing and that it should change. Obviously it would be good if they did change but he's not forcing them to. He's just saying that as a Chrisitna he find's their attitude disturbing.

surely only as ignorant or childish as thinking someone is evil because of their sexual orientation or alternative beliefs.

you shouldnt be offended if i think religion is stupid. its only my opinion

Thinking that people are stupid because they are religious is ignorent, and wrong. Of course you have a right to an opinon and a right to be wrong. I am not questioning your right to have a wrong opinion, only your wisdom in doing so.

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

I REALLY hope your being sarcastic. If not, let me explain something:

If George Bush passed a law claiming that anyone who insults him must be dammed to...lets say Libya forever and never able to die, you would fucking revolt eh?

As such, this is your god's position. Why dont you revolt against "him"?

If "god" exists, his rules in christians' minds ARE REALLY FUCKED UP.

Thinking that people are stupid because they are religious is ignorent, and wrong. Of course you have a right to an opinon and a right to be wrong. I am not questioning your right to have a wrong opinion, only your wisdom in doing so.

i gain my wisdom empirically, i feel its the only way it can be gained. you can think im wrong and ignorant, it really doesnt bother me i think the same about you.

i gain my wisdom empirically, i feel its the only way it can be gained. you can think im wrong and ignorant, it really doesnt bother me i think the same about you.

Can you emperically prove Christianity false?

Thinking that people are stupid because they are religious is ignorent, and wrong. Of course you have a right to an opinon and a right to be wrong. I am not questioning your right to have a wrong opinion, only your wisdom in doing so.
then by your own words, how in the world can you people try and force all that christian crap down our throats? you think we are stupid because our religion doesn't believe in jesus while being ignorant of the rest and you try and force your opinion down our throats, taking away our rights of opinion
this is what i get for finishing my exams?

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

in the eternal words of tourettes guy "I'd like to see you try to walk a mile in my SHIT!!!"

in other words,you think it's hard being a part of the biggest religion on earth try being a satanist

Can you emperically prove Christianity false?

Can you empirically prove its right?

Can you empirically prove its right?
you can't do either, there no no way of doing it for any religion

you can't do either, there no no way of doing it for any religion

Exactly which is why his statement prove christianity wrong really only works if he can prove it right which he can't. Religion is based on faith which is perfectly fine for using to say I believe in a higher power, but not for looking like an ass and saying I believe in a higher power and since you don't your going to hell.

Exactly which is why his statement prove christianity wrong really only works if he can prove it right which he can't. Religion is based on faith which is perfectly fine for using to say I believe in a higher power, but not for looking like an ass and saying I believe in a higher power and since you don't your going to hell.
which is mostly true. normally the ability to prove something wrong means you can't prove it right

I really enjoy my faith. Its call skepticism. No churches or anything just a general scientific look on everything. Its not faith either its proven. Only one belief too which is simple. Until something is proven with real facts it isn't real. Worked for me so far.

Er if I remeber correctly, past old european times. I am refering more to Dark Ages and stuff.

Holy wars occured more as an anti heathen law which killed alot of innocent people. Like the inquisitors and stuff. If even half of what I learnt about the Dark Ages is true then what Christian Teens are getting in high school is a mere pardon.

Nothing against Christians at all. They do some nice things. I just dislike them telling me I am wrong because I believe in cloning and gay marriage. Not to say everyone is like that in any means. Just the people in my grade when we have debates about it.

But I am getting off track. The christians in my school have their own fellowship meeting with Pizza, so I don't see any abuse here. More support really.

then by your own words, how in the world can you people try and force all that christian crap down our throats? you think we are stupid because our religion doesn't believe in jesus while being ignorant of the rest and you try and force your opinion down our throats, taking away our rights of opinion
this is what i get for finishing my exams?

I for one can't stand how you liberals force all of that liberal crap down my throat when you say, "hey kids, have all the sex you want, its ok girls cause you can get an abortion without telling mommy and daddy." Or how about, we should be tolerant of everybody, even the intolerant. Then you turn around and spew hate when someone goes against what you believe. Tolerance my ass! You tolerate everyone else, but when it comes down to religion, you are just like the Romans who persecuted the Christians. I dont force my beliefs down your throat, so stop cramming your atheist crap down mine!

what do you people think about abortion? the child doesn't have a choice and yes the child does feel the pain. is it ok if the mother was raped?? what do u think personally i am totaly against abortions no matter what. by the way i was almost aborted


lauren

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren
Hi Lauren.. I remember you started a thread yesterday as well. I also find it hard, but still managable and I also try to be strong in what I believe.
As long as theres tests, there will be prayer in public school;)

Hi Lauren.. I remember you started a thread yesterday as well. I also find it hard, but still managable and I also try to be strong in what I believe.
As long as theres tests, there will be prayer in public school;)


lol yea i did start a thread yesterday but i like this one better bc i like proving my faith n clearing up any misconceptions ppl have of christians thinking they are better then every one when we are all the same and what not but yea that's true about tests in public schools and prayer but yea i struggle with having daily devotions:(

lauren

lol yea i did start a thread yesterday but i like this one better bc i like proving my faith n clearing up any misconceptions ppl have of christians thinking they are better then every one when we are all the same and what not but yea that's true about tests in public schools and prayer but yea i struggle with having daily devotions:(

lauren
Do not worry, we all do. If you have other friends who are christians as well it helps you by giving some1 to lean on, so to speak.
And judging by your post count, i am guessing that you dont know how vehemently pro abortion some people are on this site cough (cat-tribe) cough.

what do you people think about abortion? the child doesn't have a choice and yes the child does feel the pain. is it ok if the mother was raped?? what do u think personally i am totaly against abortions no matter what. by the way i was almost aborted


lauren
1. It's not a child until it's born.
2. An embryo (The stage at which most abortions are preformed) completely lacks a nervous system (Although the brain stem appears near the very end on the embryo stage) and thus cannot feel pain. A fetus cannot feel pain until well after abortions can be legally preformed. (The exceptions being if the fetus is already dead or if it would harm the mother.)

1. It's not a child until it's born.

Life begins at conception.

Life begins at conception.
A plant has more sences than an embryo. You ever ate vegetables? Murder!

A plant has more sences than an embryo. You ever ate vegetables? Murder!
Do vegetables grow up into humans with emotions and feelings? So typical to think of only the immediate instead of the future.

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

Tisk tisk, appalling isn't it, which school is this by the way? i want to go there to you know... put a stop to all that open sex in the halls, course i might need to experience some of the temptation before i can put a stop to it :)

Life begins at conception.
Life begins before conception. Unless ovum and spermatozoon are not living.

I'm referring to the fact that, by definition, it has to be born before it can be a child. But you go and ignore. my words by coming up with total bullshit completely unrelated to what I was talking about.

Yah its not a child until its born.. did i ever say otherwise?

Do vegetables grow up into humans with emotions and feelings? So typical to think of only the immediate instead of the future.
Neither do most embryos.

Life begins before conception. Unless ovum and spermatozoon are not living.

I'm referring to the fact that, by definition, it has to be born before it can be a child. But you go and ignore. my words by coming up with total bullshit completely unrelated to what I was talking about.

he's right you know. Even the egg cell and spermatozoon are alive, we create life to these cells everyday, the combination of both make it that those cells start multiplying and resulting in a new living thinking being. Plants are indeed very much alive, they just don't have a mouth to speak, I'm not implying that they are intelligent but they rely on their instinct (fauna) and natural way of life (flora). So think before you go like "an embryo is not alive" and all that stuff. The embryo is not alive, but the cells are, it's as much murder as killing an embryo or foetus. We eat to survive, so it's necessary to kill plants and animals, just don't do it for fun, only do it if there is no other way to survive. Most people forget that being killed by some animal because it was hungry is the same thing we are doing with cows and other animals. So think again before you stuff a hamburger in your belly just because you feel like it, try and eat decently and healthy too. (not implying that everyone gotta be vegetarians cause that's the same thing to what you do with animals)

Killing in any manner is not an option, i find abortion pretty stupid, for the stupid decision people make, think before you do something. Take action and live with the consequence it involves.

so what's everyones asl and 5 random facts about them i'll start lol

lauren
15 f
i can knit
i love the beach n swimming
i love missions trips!

Until the unborn (IMO) can sustain life itself, independent of the mother or 'host', it is little more than a parasite technically. Sucky way to look at it but its an objective way.

Abortion in cases of incest, rape or endangering the mother's life.

"Abortions for some... miniature American flags for others" - Kang.

Until the unborn (IMO) can sustain life itself, independent of the mother or 'host', it is little more than a parasite technically. Sucky way to look at it but its an objective way.

Abortion in cases of incest, rape or endangering the mother's life.

"Abortions for some... miniature American flags for others" - Kang.
Dude...then technically most forms of sexual reproduction are parasitic...
Well here's what the little parasite is doing while its sitting around more dumb than a vegetable http://www.justthefacts.org/clar.asp

what do you people think about abortion? the child doesn't have a choice and yes the child does feel the pain. is it ok if the mother was raped?? what do u think personally i am totaly against abortions no matter what. by the way i was almost aborted


lauren


FYI Lauren your little

Lauren

thing isn't cute. It's just kind of stupid. Also, please use "you" and "I". You would be surprised how little effort it takes.

Anyway, on your view of abortion. Lets say that an 18 year old girl is raped, and she gets pregnant. Now let's say she works at a Burger King and lives in a cheap apartment in a dangerous city. What kind of life do you think this kid is going to have? Chances are this kid is going to grow up in poor conditions, attend a bad school, and eventually traffic drugs or illegle weapons. All this kid will do is cause more burdons on society and die young, thus making the world a worse place than what if would have been if he had been aborted. It has been proven that when abortions were legalized in the 70s, the crime rate went down, because there have been somewhat fewer cases of what I have described.

I'm getting extremly tired of you "Good Christians" whining about how abortions and homosexuals are the work of the devil. Just give it a rest.

so what's everyones asl and 5 random facts about them i'll start lol

lauren
15 f
i can knit
i love the beach n swimming
i love missions trips!

kinda of an out-of-place question here i suggest this gets moved to another topic.

but since this will be moved i might as well reply to it:

Philippe
24 m Antwerp, Belgium
I'm a youth volunteer worker here, i love to entertain kids and help em out,
I also run a student club for the college folks.
i love snow alot snowboarding, skiing, iceskating
and i love being lazy in my spare time and sit behind my pc and play some MMORPGs mostly online stuff like this and Kings of Chaos.

other questions, write to me here and i'll answer them if you like (and when i feel like it)

FYI Lauren your little

Lauren

thing isn't cute. It's just kind of stupid. Also, please use "you" and "I". You would be surprised how little effort it takes.

Anyway, on your view of abortion. Lets say that an 18 year old girl is raped, and she gets pregnant. Now let's say she works at a Burger King and lives in a cheap apartment in a dangerous city. What kind of life do you think this kid is going to have? Chances are this kid is going to grow up in poor conditions, attend a bad school, and eventually traffic drugs or illegle weapons. All this kid will do is cause more burdons on society and die young, thus making the world a worse place than what if would have been if he had been aborted. It has been proven that when abortions were legalized in the 70s, the crime rate went down, because there have been somewhat fewer cases of what I have described.

I'm getting extremly tired of you "Good Christians" whining about how abortions and homosexuals are the work of the devil. Just give it a rest.

I liked how you started off attacking her. Very classy. Just wondering by the way, what percentage of abortions are a result of rape? Considering more babies are aborted each year than the entire population of Dallas in America alone, i am beggining to think we may just have a rape epidemic on our hands.

Dude...then technically most forms of sexual reproduction are parasitic...


I never said they weren't.

Think about it- you have something living off of you for several months. If you stop 'feeding' it, it dies. it cannot survive on its own, it needs a host to continue to survive.... thats preeeeettttyyyyy close to a parasite in my books.

are we ignoring other religions? here's a big culture shock to bible-thumping christians:
Jesus and Moses are in the Koran
Along with other Prophets

That doesn't mean a whole lot. There are cults that have Jesus mentioned in them as well.

However, the Qur'an is another discussion.

I would recomend http://www.prophetofdoom.net/ as a start to understanding the Qur'an with the actual text, and not the "interpretations" of an Imam.

As for Christianity...
Lauren, please do not become a fanatic. I happen to be a Christian and understand the difference between preaching to people and letting people know whose words quide me in my life.

A lot of students are not open about their faith because they fear ridicule. The TV tells us that we are bad people who walk around on other people's beliefs. Perhaps if more Christians took a stand and spoke out against the outlandish claims and actions of celebrity Christians, others would see that we are not all crazy.


Remember, the "interpretations" of people will always be influenced by their agendas. I always believe the words of the Bible, though not always what a preacher/priest/etc says the words mean.

I liked how you started off attacking her. Very classy. Just wondering by the way, what percentage of abortions are a result of rape? Considering more babies are aborted each year than the entire population of Dallas in America alone, i am beggining to think we may just have a rape epidemic on our hands.

Regardless of rape victims, do you think that 13-year-old girls make good parents?

FYI Lauren your little

Lauren

thing isn't cute. It's just kind of stupid. Also, please use "you" and "I". You would be surprised how little effort it takes.

Anyway, on your view of abortion. Lets say that an 18 year old girl is raped, and she gets pregnant. Now let's say she works at a Burger King and lives in a cheap apartment in a dangerous city. What kind of life do you think this kid is going to have? Chances are this kid is going to grow up in poor conditions, attend a bad school, and eventually traffic drugs or illegle weapons. All this kid will do is cause more burdons on society and die young, thus making the world a worse place than what if would have been if he had been aborted. It has been proven that when abortions were legalized in the 70s, the crime rate went down, because there have been somewhat fewer cases of what I have described.

I'm getting extremly tired of you "Good Christians" whining about how abortions and homosexuals are the work of the devil. Just give it a rest.


ever heard of adoption?? I have seen kids being adopted into loving homes. my mom raised me by her self in a bad city and I think I have turned out pretty good and I am making somthing of myselfand I have a 4.2 gpa

lauren

I never said they weren't.

Think about it- you have something living off of you for several months. If you stop 'feeding' it, it dies. it cannot survive on its own, it needs a host to continue to survive.... thats preeeeettttyyyyy close to a parasite in my books.
You have a point there. However once the child is born does the relationship remain parasitic since the baby (whatever species it may be) keeps reling on the parent, or is it mutualistic, because in turn the parent gets the love and eventually the benefits of the offspring. And the relationship is only parasitic of the baby harms its host.

ever heard of adoption?? I have seen kids being adopted into loving homes. my mom raised me by her self in a bad city and I think I have turned out pretty good and I am making somthing of myselfand I have a 4.2 gpa

lauren

Do you think that all children are going to be adopted? I once knew a boy named Tom, and a lesbian couple adopted him. Well I got to know him for quite a few years, and even though he was adopted, and he had a couple personality disorders, such as anger management and ADHD, he was greatly improving. Then something happened... His parents decided that they would have artificial insemination, and they gave birth to two boys. Well they decided that Tom was "too dangerous to these two" so now he recieved the joy of passing through the system. Do you think he will ever trust anyone again? Of course not. He was discarded like a paper cup. The system works!

However once the child is born does the relationship remain parasitic since the baby (whatever species it may be) keeps reling on the parent

No, it can breath, call out, suckle, eat whatever you want to call it. It has the ability to survive on its own... whether it will or not is another matter but that does not concern the issue of abortion.

or is it mutualistic, because in turn the parent gets the love and eventually the benefits of the offspring.
You mean 'symbyotic'? and no, it's not. The parent does not benefit- and it cannot live on love ;) Love is very much human concept. Animals do not feel the same bond to the first litter/brood when the second one is due. Humans are weird like that ;)


And the relationship is only parasitic of the baby harms its host.
Not necessarily. One can have a benign parasite (ie one that lives off the host but does not harm/negatively affect the host)

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...... AHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA....
ROFL.

This Christians run this country... if you haven't noticed.. we have the most Christian president ever, a Christian-dominated court, a somewhat Christian Congress and plenty of Christian businesses have popped up in the last few years. So don't tell me being a Christian is hard in public school.

You know what's even harder then being a Christian in public school.

Being a kid with an autistic-spectrum disorder going through public school.
Elemnetary was hell for me... No one said but I got feeling people thought I was the kooky crazy kid.

So stop your fucking whining and Cheer up, (Christian) emo kid!

Do you think that all children are going to be adopted? I once knew a boy named Tom, and a lesbian couple adopted him. Well I got to know him for quite a few years, and even though he was adopted, and he had a couple personality disorders, such as anger management and ADHD, he was greatly improving. Then something happened... His parents decided that they would have artificial insemination, and they gave birth to two boys. Well they decided that Tom was "too dangerous to these two" so now he recieved the joy of passing through the system. Do you think he will ever trust anyone again? Of course not. He was discarded like a paper cup. The system works!
Mass killing does seem to be the better option.

Mass killing does seem to be the better option.
Well he raises an interesting point though. Its...


Life vs. Quality of Life.

A really shit life, and I mean REALLY shit (child rape, drugs, beaten, prostitution, etc etc) one cannot be considered a 'gift' in any way shape or form.

Mass killing does seem to be the better option.

"Death solves all problem. No man, no problem." - Joseph Stalin

I do not support that man in any way, shape or form, but I do agree with that statement. Do you seriously think that the fetus's being aborted are going to care whether they die or not? No. At that point they are just a lump of cells, and they are dead before they even know it. Would it bother you if you died in your sleep? No, you wouldn't have to worry about it because you would be dead, and you wouldn't notice that you have died. There's a big difference between that and being shot and dieing of blood loss in a war.

You have a point there. However once the child is born does the relationship remain parasitic since the baby (whatever species it may be) keeps reling on the parent, or is it mutualistic, because in turn the parent gets the love and eventually the benefits of the offspring. And the relationship is only parasitic of the baby harms its host.
As I said before, it's not a baby until its born. Use emotional appeals all you want, but for God's sake use the correct definitions.

Christains have a victim complex. Alot of people say it's America in general, but it's not. It's the christains who think not turning Science class into Sunday School is an attack upon morality.

Well he raises an interesting point though. Its...


Life vs. Quality of Life.

A really shit life, and I mean REALLY shit (child rape, drugs, beaten, prostitution, etc etc) one cannot be considered a 'gift' in any way shape or form.
Yah, low quality life would probably be worse if all those things occured. However I knew three adopted kids in my old school, all lived in very nice houses with very nice things and had very normal personalities. They lived a better life than if their biological parents said, "Why not cut the fetus up? No dirt off our back!" But you are right. There are some cases where death is a better option.

Christains have a victim complex. Alot of people say it's America in general, but it's not. It's the christains who think not turning Science class into Sunday School is an attack upon morality.
I do not think that. And i bet a helluva lot of other christians agree with me.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA...... AHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA....
ROFL.

This Christians run this country... if you haven't noticed.. we have the most Christian president ever, a Christian-dominated court, a somewhat Christian Congress and plenty of Christian businesses have popped up in the last few years. So don't tell me being a Christian is hard in public school.

You know what's even harder then being a Christian in public school.

Being a kid with an autistic-spectrum disorder going through public school.
Elemnetary was hell for me... No one said but I got feeling people thought I was the kooky crazy kid.

So stop your fucking whining and Cheer up, (Christian) emo kid!


i'm truely sry that life was so hard for you. I will try not complain as much ok


lauren

Christains have a victim complex. Alot of people say it's America in general, but it's not. It's the christains who think not turning Science class into Sunday School is an attack upon morality.

Agreed. Unless, their agenda is allowed, they think it's discrimnation against their "minority".

Agreed. Unless, their agenda is allowed, they think it's discrimnation against their "minority".
Yah... minority.... I totally think that...... Thats why my honors biology teacher is Christian! Yah all we do is sit around and pray the rosery! We are tought darwin evolution and whatever else you people want.
You guys are prime examples of why when I see posts like "Christians shouldnt try to force feed their views to us!" I feel like :headbang: on the wall, because either you guys are complete hypocrits or something else but anyways....WOW YOU DONT BELIEVE IN WHAT I DO. WHOOP-DEE-DAMN DOO!
Doesnt meen you have to immiediatly pull out stereotypes.

i'm truely sry that life was so hard for you. I will try not complain as much ok


lauren

Well... it was long ago... and it's hard to remember. However, my dad told me I'd always come home depressed. I'm not depressed now becuase I fit in at the private school I go to with kids just like me.

And, I'm kinda sorry if I sounded like complete asshole in that first chat. I tend to go into angry rants when up at 11pm.

But lauren, then again it's somewhat hard for you because most high school kids are non-religious, I mean they might go to church on Sunday, but other than that their apthetic outside of that and when someone mentions the Bible they freak out and target people like you, but still you have people running this country who are just like YOU.

And I hope I didn't sound like an asshole once again.

Well... it was long ago... and it's hard to remember. However, my dad told me I'd always come home depressed. I'm not depressed now becuase I fit in at the private school I go to with kids just like me.

And, I'm kinda sorry if I sounded like complete asshole in that first chat. I tend to go into angry rants when up at 11pm.

But lauren, then again it's somewhat hard for you because most high school kids are non-religious, I mean they might go to church on Sunday, but other than that their apthetic outside of that and when someone mentions the Bible they freak out and target people like you, but still you have people running this country who are just like YOU.

And I hope I didn't sound like an asshole once again.
Nah, you didnt. Much more educated sounding response.:cool:

Yah... minority.... I totally think that...... Thats why my honors biology teacher is Christian! Yah all we do is sit around and pray the rosery! We are tought darwin evolution and whatever else you people want.
You guys are prime examples of why when I see posts like "Christians shouldnt try to force feed their views to us!" I feel like :headbang: on the wall, because either you guys are complete hypocrits or something else but anyways....WOW YOU DONT BELIEVE IN WHAT I DO. WHOOP-DEE-DAMN DOO!
Doesnt meen you have to immiediatly pull out stereotypes.


Welll... I mean more like the fundementalist/evangelical types.

Not every single Christian.

I know their are teachers who are religious and teach evolution becuase they believe it to be the truth.

I mean there was a TIME magazine article about teacher who stated he was Methodist but believed in Darwinian evolution.

So please, chill out.

I mean... I'm a Lasped Catholic who's now more agnostic...

Christains have a victim complex. Alot of people say it's America in general, but it's not. It's the christains who think not turning Science class into Sunday School is an attack upon morality.

SOME Christians are like that. There are an awful lot of us, please don't make generalisations like that...

Welll... I mean more like the fundementalist/evangelical types.

Not every single Christian.

I know their are teachers who are religious and teach evolution becuase they believe it to be the truth.

I mean there was a TIME magazine article about teacher who stated he was Methodist but believed in Darwinian evolution.

So please, chill out.

I mean... I'm a Lasped Catholic who's now more agnostic...
Sorry I came to this thread like 1 hour ago to have a chat w/ other christian teens but in 5 seconds it turned into an all vs. me abortion flame war. Im catholic btw so in religious ed i was taught not to interpret the bible literally cuz OMG YES IT DOES CONTRADICT ITSELF IN PARTS!

Im catholic btw so in religious ed i was taught not to interpret the bible literally cuz OMG YES IT DOES CONTRADICT ITSELF IN PARTS!

Catholic eh? Hum... odd reaction from a Catholic.

I think the fundemtanlist Christians in this country are leading to hell in a handbasket. They're trying to push their own beliefs becuase they don't agree with the current ones because "The Good Book" says so.

If I was name the mostly candiate for being the Anti-Christ...

I'd pick a fundementalist Christian.

Why's that, because look all the political strife that the fundementalists are casuing.

To quote wikipedia:
In other views, the role is far less dramatic - the Antichrist is simply understood to be a group of individuals as well as organizations, who, for their history of trying to deceive and stifle the faithful, are finally destroyed for all time by God on the day of Armageddon.

Who are these group of individuals...why the fundemetnalist Christians.

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren

I think it's hard to be any kind of person the way the world is, but one of the easiest things to be is an American. You live in America don't you? You live in the richest country in the world, girl. You should be happy and try not dwell on how challenging your life is. If you want to think about problems, try to think about world problems and not personal ones. You, my dear, are among the upper crust, one of the most priveliged people alive. All I'm saying is, if you think it's hard to be a Christian in America, try being a Jew in Palestine, or a Christian, for that matter. At least you don't have to fear for your life. And, at least you aren't starving and you don't have AIDS, unlike an overwhelming population of Africa. Hard to live in America and go to public school? You don't even realize how good your life is! Wake up!

I agree. Being a Christian teen is hard, but with God's help we will do okay. Besides, it is much more beneficial.

Catholic eh? Hum... odd reaction from a Catholic.


No he's right...

The Catholic Church has never followed a policy of strict interpatation of the Bible or the infalliacy of the Bible, that's something came around when Protestantism formed. They believed the Pope was infallable but not the Bible.

I don't even go parochial school, but my dad did and his religion teacher was borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

EDIT: Well.. ok, I got that a bit wrong.. mainly the Catholic church believes some portions of the Bible (ones that are needed for the salvation of man) are inerrant.

I agree. Being a Christian teen is hard, but with God's help we will do okay. Besides, it is much more beneficial.

Yeah, living in a nice house with multiple cars, a loving family, cable TV, and a maid can be kind of tough. Think of how nice those people in Haiti have it!

No he's right...

The Catholic Church has never followed a policy of strict interpatation of the Bible or the infalliacy of the Bible, that's something came around when Protestantism formed. They believed the Pope was infallable but not the Bible.

I don't even go parochial school, but my dad did and his religion teacher was borrrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

I know..... I'M Catholic.... technically. Gave it up a looonnnngggg time ago in favour of philosophy but was Confirmed etc etc.

It must just be the geographical distinction.. Catholics in the US are more 'strict' than in Europe (well thats the general impression I get anyway ;) )

I know..... I'M Catholic.... technically. Gave it up a looonnnngggg time ago in favour of philosophy but was Confirmed etc etc.

It must just be the geographical distinction.. Catholics in the US are more 'strict' than in Europe (well thats the general impression I get anyway ;) )
Theres very few of us in the part of texas which i live (dallas area)

No he's right...



EDIT: Well.. ok, I got that a bit wrong.. mainly the Catholic church believes some portions of the Bible (ones that are needed for the salvation of man) are inerrant.
Yah some parts we believe in fully but others, such as the creation of man and earth, we do not fully believe in. My religous ed teacher once pointed out that it said God created the world in six days, but in another portion of the Bible it said that a day to God is like 1000 days to us.

I know..... I'M Catholic.... technically. Gave it up a looonnnngggg time ago in favour of philosophy but was Confirmed etc etc.

It must just be the geographical distinction.. Catholics in the US are more 'strict' than in Europe (well thats the general impression I get anyway ;) )

Well, my dad overall was mostly Lapsed and such.

He had me do some sunday school when I was younger and had me do communion and we never really attened Chruch, the only I attended was to watch my pastor speak to us Commuioners.

But really, he didn't really admit we were agnostic till 2004. Though... I think he meant to say deist, because he still believes that there has to be at least some Supreme Being in the Universe.

Yah some parts we believe in fully but others, such as the creation of man and earth, we do not fully believe in. My religous ed teacher once pointed out that it said God created the world in six days, but in another portion of the Bible it said that a day to God is like 1000 days to us.

Welll... that's what happens when religious writers get lazy steal another scripture... the Old Testament and incorpate into ours.

Yah some parts we believe in fully but others, such as the creation of man and earth, we do not fully believe in. My religous ed teacher once pointed out that it said God created the world in six days, but in another portion of the Bible it said that a day to God is like 1000 days to us.

I think it's interesting how an entire group of people can read a religious text and jointly decide to believe in some parts and not others. Maybe each person could, instead, read all the material available to him, and then decide individually what to believe... wouldn't that be ideal? For instance, it seems to me that if the first story of the bible is "false", then it is possible that all stories in the bible are equally fictitious. It could be that the bible is more of a book of poetry, stories and poems written over thousands of years and passed down and changed, not to be interpreted literally, but instead as legends, with morals. Do you believe in the morals of some stories but not others? Or do you actually believe some stories are histories and others, fiction? I would be interested to know.

<snip>EDIT: Well.. ok, I got that a bit wrong.. mainly the Catholic church believes some portions of the Bible (ones that are needed for the salvation of man) are inerrant.

The passage is:

The Books of Scripture must be achnowledged as teaching, firmly, faithfully, and without error that truth that God wanted to put into the sacred writings for the sake of our salvation

-Dei Verbum 3:11

The New Jerusalem Commentary offers this interpretation of this passage:

It is proper to take the clause as specifying: Scriptual teaching is truth without error to the extent that it conforms to the the salvific purpose of God. Decision about that purpose involves paying attention to literary forms and historical conditioning.

-72:14

EDIT: In case I didn't make it clear, Dei Verbum is the Catholic Church's Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, so that passage is the official stance.

Welll... that's what happens when religious writers get lazy steal another scripture... the Old Testament and incorpate into ours.

Are you referring to Judaism? If you are then I would say it isn't so surprising to include the Old Testament into Christianity, since Christ was Jewish... I don't think it was laziness, I think they completely planned it that way! Or maybe you are suggesting that the New Testament is more reliable because it was written later?

Maybe this will or maybe not...

All I know it's a fundementalist, a KJV-only person too because he believes that the American Standard Verison of the Bible (now largely out of print) is catering to Catholics.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/public_schools_are_evil.htm

Thats why Catholics don't literally interpret the Bible as other branches of Christianity have a tendancy to.

Its more of a 'follow the general message' kinda religion :D

I think it's interesting how an entire group of people can read a religious text and jointly decide to believe in some parts and not others. Maybe each person could, instead, read all the material available to him, and then decide individually what to believe... wouldn't that be ideal? For instance, it seems to me that if the first story of the bible is "false", then it is possible that all stories in the bible are equally fictitious. It could be that the bible is more of a book of poetry, stories and poems written over thousands of years and passed down and changed, not to be interpreted literally, but instead as legends, with morals. Do you believe in the morals of some stories but not others? Or do you actually believe some stories are histories and others, fiction? I would be interested to know.
I am not completely sure what to believe on the old testament. Many parts of the new testamanet, stories involving Jesus, I believe to be mostly true. Of course i doubt everything revoloving around Jesus written in the Bible is true, some may be slightly exagerated to demonstrate his power. What religion or philospihy do you tie yourself to I am wondering?

Are you referring to Judaism? If you are then I would say it isn't so surprising to include the Old Testament into Christianity, since Christ was Jewish... I don't think it was laziness, I think they completely planned it that way! Or maybe you are suggesting that the New Testament is more reliable because it was written later?

:rolleyes: I get the feeling the last thing this thread needs is a debate about the reliability of scripture...

Are you referring to Judaism? If you are then I would say it isn't so surprising to include the Old Testament into Christianity, since Christ was Jewish... I don't think it was laziness, I think they completely planned it that way! Or maybe you are suggesting that the New Testament is more reliable because it was written later?


Nah. I was trying to be funny... it failed.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/public_schools_are_evil.htm
AHHHH whoever operates that sight is not a very good webmaster. I guess I can see how some people judge me on contact becuase of *shudders* people like whoever is associated with that sight. After 3 minutes I became disgusted with it and closed it immediatley.

What school is this? Open sex? In the halls? For some reason I'm inclined to believe that you go to pulledoutofyourass high.
Just though I should let you know.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535772/posts

Mr. Public Schools are Evil here must have never gone to one.


Faith MUST come before knowledge. Character must come before knowledge. To educate a man beyond his character is to produce an educated fool. To educate a man who lacks faith in God is to produce an educated heathen.

It's more likely to produce a retard, then a heathen.

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

Its only blapheming if you're christian/catholic etc. If they aren't they aren't blaspheming so why should they have a problem with it? I can see your problem right here, you are closed minded and think everyone should behave according to your beliefs. School is no place to be teaching a certain religion thats for the individual to decide on their own and then pursue those studies, if any, outside of school in which ever religion they see fit.

Nah. I was trying to be funny... it failed.

Sorry dude I have Nooo sense of humour :p

Its only blapheming if your christian/catholic etc. If they aren't they aren't blaspheming so why should they have a problem with it? I can see your problem right here, you are closed minded and think everyone should behave according to your beliefs. School is no place to be teaching a certain religion thats for the individual to decide on their own and then pursue those studies, if any, outside of school in which ever religion they see fit.

Catholic schoolgirls = good sex

:D

Just kidding, but's it always that stereotype, though I have heard stories told to me.

I go to school and I'm shocked and diusgusted by the open sex that goes on there. They all advocate sex before marriage, they all see no problem with blashpeming. I find it disturbing.

It might be disturbing to you because you can't understand that someone has a different viewpoint on life than you do. If you're Christian, then your faith follows Christ and his teachings, which foremost taught love and tolerance and acceptance of others. Christ taught people not to judge, and unfortunately many Christians are extremely hipocritical when it comes to this area of belief. Many are so focused on the smaller things that probably don't affect their own life, that they are blind to the bigger picture. The point is to show by example, not by telling other people what they should do. You must understand that Christ, and most religious leaders wanted people to try and get along with one another, help one another, not berate them and discount their beliefs. I think most people feel they need to validate their own beliefs by trashing others, but when you realize that you can have your beliefs and appreciate another's, and help them when they need it. Then, will you actually be following these teachings you claim will save you.

It might be disturbing to you because you can't understand that someone has a different viewpoint on life than you do. If you're Christian, then your faith follows Christ and his teachings, which foremost taught love and tolerance and acceptance of others. Christ taught people not to judge, and unfortunately many Christians are extremely hipocritical when it comes to this area of belief. Many are so focused on the smaller things that probably don't affect their own life, that they are blind to the bigger picture. The point is to show by example, not by telling other people what they should do. You must understand that Christ, and most religious leaders wanted people to try and get along with one another, help one another, not berate them and discount their beliefs. I think most people feel they need to validate their own beliefs by trashing others, but when you realize that you can have your beliefs and appreciate another's, and help them when they need it. Then, will you actually be following these teachings you claim will save you.
Good, logical first post my man.

I am not completely sure what to believe on the old testament. Many parts of the new testamanet, stories involving Jesus, I believe to be mostly true. Of course i doubt everything revoloving around Jesus written in the Bible is true, some may be slightly exagerated to demonstrate his power. What religion or philospihy do you tie yourself to I am wondering?

I think that Christ was a man who actually existed, and people followed him during his lifetime because he was a very good teller of stories with morals. Similarily, during Christ's lifetime many people followed the stories of the Torrah, and the ancient Greek myths as well, because these kinds of stories were applicable morally and entertaining all at once.

I resist tying myself to any kind of religion or philosophy after my short lifetime of debate. For example I took philosophy in college, I subscribe to receive emails from the Secular Humanist Association, but I'll be attending midnight mass on Christmas eve (french catholic tradition). My parents are Catholics and I was raised one too, until I declared myself atheist at age 12. However, once I grew up a bit more I realized that I do believe in some sort of higher power. This higher power, I believe is so beyond human understanding that to call it "God" or to have "religions" is almost silly. What religion does that make me? Agnostic?

I think it's hard being a christian teen with how the world is. It's even harder going to public school. However, it helps me stand up for my beliefs and be strong in the Lord because i face many trials on a day to day basis. What do you think?

lauren
I think it's hard being religious today, no matter what faith you are. We are raised, taught and told since a very early age to view the world with logic, and rationality. This is a good thing, and it gives us a better understanding of the world we love in. However, it continuosly tests people's belife in a higher being. Religion requires people to go beyond reason, or according to athiests, below. Yet, faith is something that is separate from logic and that is incomprehensible to many people. Faith is faith. It takes a lot of courage to belive in something bigger.

There are three types of people that never help truely religious people. The first are fundimentalists such as tv evangelicals, jihadists or the KKK. They can even people that continously tell you that you're going to hell. They make religion look like a crock and don't really express what most religions are truely about.

The second type are fundimentalist athiests. Not all athiests are like this but I know a few that are just assholes. Unfortunaly, these are the most vocal. Any chance they can get, they point out how terrible religion is and how ignorant religios people are. In truth, they are no better than religios fundimentalists.

The last type are people who take advantage of religion. Many religious wars were started by these people such as, the crusades ard the Thirty Years war. Hitler was one of these people. If they truely followed the religion they are so called "fighting for" they shouldn't be doing these things in the first place.

The worst thing is that these three groups of people are the loudest groups of all, making everyone look bad. There are decent religious people out there and there are decent athiests. The world is just a trying place.

Catholic schoolgirls = good sex

:D

Just kidding, but's it always that stereotype, though I have heard stories told to me.

Ya gotta love the outfit though :D

It might be disturbing to you because you can't understand that someone has a different viewpoint on life than you do. If you're Christian, then your faith follows Christ and his teachings, which foremost taught love and tolerance and acceptance of others. Christ taught people not to judge, and unfortunately many Christians are extremely hipocritical when it comes to this area of belief. Many are so focused on the smaller things that probably don't affect their own life, that they are blind to the bigger picture. The point is to show by example, not by telling other people what they should do. You must understand that Christ, and most religious leaders wanted people to try and get along with one another, help one another, not berate them and discount their beliefs. I think most people feel they need to validate their own beliefs by trashing others, but when you realize that you can have your beliefs and appreciate another's, and help them when they need it. Then, will you actually be following these teachings you claim will save you.

I agree that if we claim to be Christian we should lead by example. It is also very unChrist-like to berate others unnecessarily. As it says in Romans 12:18, "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Unfortunately, many Christians tend to stray from some of the fundamental teachings of the Bible - but this is understandable. People often criticize Christians by calling them, "holier-than-thou" or "high-and-mighty," but then they gawk and exaggerate whenever a Christian makes a mistake or acts in a hypocritical manner. I find THIS hypocritical - WE ARE HUMAN. You are never going to find a "perfect Christian." We are NOT "holier-than-thou." Also, those teachings of love are exactly what causes Christians to try and reveal the truth to others. Who would we be to deny someone the right to know their saviour? And as for appreciating the beliefs of others, in the particular incidence you are referring to... geez, having sex in the halls is simply disgusting; I could care less what your religion is! That's common courtesy, not to mention self-respect or any kind of self-worth. NOBODY really wants to see that... (Hopefully.)

I agree that if we claim to be Christian we should lead by example. It is also very unChrist-like to berate others unnecessarily. As it says in Romans 12:18, "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Unfortunately, many Christians tend to stray from some of the fundamental teachings of the Bible - but this is understandable. People often criticize Christians by calling them, "holier-than-thou" or "high-and-mighty," but then they gawk and exaggerate whenever a Christian makes a mistake or acts in a hypocritical manner. I find THIS hypocritical - WE ARE HUMAN. You are never going to find a "perfect Christian." We are NOT "holier-than-thou." Also, those teachings of love are exactly what causes Christians to try and reveal the truth to others. Who would we be to deny someone the right to know their saviour? And as for appreciating the beliefs of others, in the particular incidence you are referring to... geez, having sex in the halls is simply disgusting; I could care less what your religion is! That's common courtesy, not to mention self-respect or any kind of self-worth. NOBODY really wants to see that... (Hopefully.)


I find you use of the word truth offensive, not really but its the wrong use of the word. Your beliefs aren't truth they are your unproven beliefs. Jesus isn't my saviour, you may believe him to be but again thats just you. If someone wants to learn about jesus they will do so, there is absolutley no reason to go around preaching it to those who don't want to hear it. Thats essentially spam of the worst kind.

As for the "holier-than-thou" some christians have this attitude. When one points out these persons mistakes it isn't hiypocritical because they don't claim to better then that person they are simple pointing out that the "holier-than-thou" one actually isn't "holier-than-thou." That being said they may also need a life as just waiting for someone to messup so you can jump up and point it out is a sad existence.

Ya gotta love the outfit though :D


Damn straight, my friend, damn straight. :D ;)

I find you use of the wors truth offensive, your beliefs aren't truth they are your unproven beliefs. Jesus isn't my saviour, you may believe him to be but again thats just you. If someone wants to learn about jesus they will do so, there is absolutley no reason to go around preaching it to those who don't want to hear it. Thats essentially spam heh.

As for the "holier-than-thou" some christians have this attitude. When one points out these persons mistakes it isn't hiypocritical because they don't claim to better then that person they are simple pointing out that the "holier-than-thou" one actually isn't "holier-than-thou." That being said they may also need a life as just waiting for someone to messup so you can jump up and point it out is a sad existence.

:) I have the right to call my beliefs "truth" just as you have the right to call it "unproven beliefs." I pray you aren't offended that easily, else the world is a painful place for you. We will take every opportunity to help someone in need by offering them the comfort of knowing that there is a higher force out there watching out for them. Many people do not agree with "Christianity" simply because they are misinformed or the only "christians" they have met are the "holier-than-thou" kind aforementioned; therefore, we see it as our duty to present them with the option of Jesus whenever possible. Christians should not approach people with a high-and-mighty attitude; the Christian life is, essentially, humble and obedient following of our Lord. However, there is always that proverbial "bad apple."

This thread has taken an interesting turn (for the better). It started out on topic then Lauren made a comment about abortion and this place turned in2 a flame war. Then into the credibilty of the Bible. Now we are here.

well I would love to stay and debate more but unfortunatley I forgot about a detention 2morrow morning that i must attend.

This thread has taken an interesting turn (for the better). It started out on topic then Lauren made a comment about abortion and this place turned in2 a flame war. Then into the credibilty of the Bible. Now we are here.

I wouldn't know the entirety of the story; to tell you the truth, I only read the first two pages or so. ^_^;;

I wouldn't know the entirety of the story; to tell you the truth, I only read the first two pages or so. ^_^;;
Around pages 7-14 it was pretty vicious