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Yeah, yeah, there are some that wouldn't fit on the poll, but these are the ones I think are the least stupid/crap and actually have a credible claim to being subgenres (ie. have at least a handful of bands claiming to be proponents while sounding distinct from other genres). And yes, I know speed metal isn't there. Which do you prefer?

Okay, examples-

Classic Metal - Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc. etc.

Death Metal - Death (funnily enough), Morbid Angel, Bolt Thrower

Doom Metal - Candlemass, St. Vitus, early Cathedral

Stoner/Sludge - Kyuss, Sleep (both stoner), Isis, Eyehategod (sludge). Same shit, slightly different smell.

Black Metal - Mayhem, Bathory

Nu-Metal - Korn, Slipknot

Power Metal - Manowar....

Thrash - Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth

Glam/Hair - Motley Crue, Poison...I guess Guns N' Roses count.

Grindcore - Napalm Death, Anal C*nt


EDIT- I had 10 options. Stop whining about things not being on the poll.

None

EDIT: Hell, I don't know what half the genres on that poll mean!

Classic; it's the only one I think I've ever been able to listen to.

None

EDIT: Hell, I don't know what half the genres on that poll mean!

Mmkay. I'll post examples of bands then.

Not a big fan of metal here, but coming from the hardcore tradition its the doom/stoner/sludge end of the spectrum that I go for.

Oh-no, sub-genres having sub-genres.

EDIT: And hyphens, oh-no.

Oh-no, sub-genres having sub-genres.

EDIT: And hyphens, oh-no.

Jazz has subgenres. Blues has subgenres. Classical music has subgenres.

You can go now.

Not a big fan of metal here, but coming from the hardcore tradition its the doom/stoner/sludge end of the spectrum that I go for.

Good man :D

Classic Metal - Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc. etc.

Nu-Metal - Korn, Slipknot

Power Metal - Manowar....probably Pantera too.

Thrash - Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer

Glam/Hair - Guns N' Roses

-snipped like h*ll -


Classic Metal first and foremost, I like everything quoted though.

I'm going with Classic.

Black metal, thank you.

Not that there's anything wrong with the rest of them.

Where is the "Metal sux Myrth's impressive dick!" option?

Where is the "Metal sux Myrth's impressive dick!" option?

I really doubt it's impressive. :p

wheres the progressive genre for the best band in the world, Tool?

Where is the "Metal sux Myrth's impressive dick!" option?

Turn around, and exit the way you came. You'll find it somewhere out there, where your pointless existence and opinions are given free reign. ;)

wheres the progressive genre for the best band in the world, Tool?

I'm a big Tool fan, but I think they straddle the grey line inbetween what can and cannot be called "metal". I would have included "alternative metal" if it weren't such a broad term.

I really doubt it's impressive. :p

That's 'cause you haven't seen it.

Turn around, and exit the way you came. You'll find it somewhere out there, where your pointless existence and opinions are given free reign. ;)

As long as there is plenty of Myrth wangage there, I'll be happy. :)

As long as there is plenty of Myrth wangage there, I'll be happy. :)

Are you one of the select few that knows what he looks like? I'll be happy to taunt you with that, if you like.

Are you one of the select few that knows what he looks like? I'll be happy to taunt you with that, if you like.

I'm not at liberty to say. What goes on in IRC stays in IRC. ;) I'll just tell you that his accent was dead sexy in the "What do you sound like?" thread.

I'm not at liberty to say. What goes on in IRC stays in IRC. ;) I'll just tell you that his accent was dead sexy in the "What do you sound like?" thread.

Oh, I know what he looks like too. :p

And yeah...curse that accent. I wish I had one.

Least bad sub-sub-genres, ie. wouldn't change channel if it came on:

cello rock (Apocalyptica)
opera metal (Nightwish)

Would propably change channel if HIM came on.

cello rock (Apocalyptica)
opera metal (Nightwish)


Yeah...but...how many other examples can you think of? Unique, but they're the only real examples of it. One group doesn't really make a genre.

Voted thrash. Metallica got me into the general metal genre.

What about Euro metal? (I dunno what you'd really call it) Stuff like Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Luca Turilli, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, Avantasia, etc.?

Or do they each fall into other categories?

Voted thrash. Metallica got me into the general metal genre.

What about Euro metal? (I dunno what you'd really call it) Stuff like Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Luca Turilli, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, Avantasia, etc.?

Blind Guardian are power metal. I guess you could loosely fit Iced Earth in there too. I'm not at all familiar with the others.

Its bothersome when I meet fans of metal who happen to dislike Classic metal. Its like being christian without believing in jesus (this comment NOT meant to start a theological debate.)

Also a big stoner rock fan (especially COC), with some interest in thrash (most particularly Metallica.)

dont forget RAMSTEIN

Also a big stoner rock fan

:fluffle:

Do pop covers of metal count? Because awful as they are, they're pretty fun phenomenons.

Like the Lucie Silvas cover of Nothing Else Matters. For some reason, I can only find it online as background to this Seven of Nine/Janeway lesbian Star Trek video. (http://www.voyager-conspiracy.co.uk/Videos/NothingElse.wmv) It's SFW, by the way.

I really think metal is over-catagorized.

There should have been an "Other" option - my favorite subgenre is Progressive (either in rock or metal).

Damn you, Kanabia! How can I choose! **twitches**

Classic or thrash...classic or thrash...or power...or thrash...or classic...probably not power...classic or thrash...AAARGH!!

Went with thrash in the end. It needs my vote more.

Damn you, Kanabia!:p

And out of interest, why isn't speed metal there?

this Seven of Nine/Janeway lesbian Star Trek video. (http://www.voyager-conspiracy.co.uk/Videos/NothingElse.wmv) It's SFW, by the way.

*sniff*:(
beutiful....

I really think metal is over-catagorized.

Yes; though I limited it to genres which I feel actually sound different to one another and aren't completely made up for the sake of some sort of underground obscurity.

Punk has probably just as many sub-genres which overlap eachother... Oi!, Hardcore, Skater, Psychobilly, Emo, etc.

And the same could be said about Jazz....Free Jazz, Latin Jazz, Jazz Fusion, New Orleans Jazz, etc. etc.




And out of interest, why isn't speed metal there?

'cause it wouldn't fit. And it overlaps a bit with power metal, doesn't it? (I wouldn't know, 'cause i'm not a devotee of either of them)

There should have been an "Other" option - my favorite subgenre is Progressive (either in rock or metal).

It wouldn't fit either :p

What would Faith No More come under?

What would Faith No More come under?

I'd say they loosely fit in between "alternative metal" and "alternative rock", (which is so broad that it doesn't really tell you anything, I know... :p)

Black Metal, especially symphonic Black Metal. My favorite band is Emperor.

It got to the point where I was taking nearly an hour to decide so I picked thrash. It was a toss up though.

Power! ;)

I had to choose between classical and power... but I've been listening more to power metal lately than classical.

Anyways, Manowar would kill you for saying they are Power metal! Everyone knows that they play True Metal! :P

Hmmm...which of 7 possible options should I pick? (Something other than classic, nu, or glam.) I guess I'll go with Death Metal, as it's the broadest.

Not a big fan of metal here, but coming from the hardcore tradition its the doom/stoner/sludge end of the spectrum that I go for.Wouldn't coming from the hardcore tradition mean that you'd like grindcore the best out of all of them?

Yeah...but...how many other examples can you think of?Rasputina is cello-rock (as another example of cello-rock) but not metal in the least. I could also probably come up with one or two more examples of opera metal, but I wouldn't count that as a subgenre, I'd just call it power metal.

What about Euro metal? (I dunno what you'd really call it) Stuff like Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Luca Turilli, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, Avantasia, etc.?I'm not sure about Gamma Ray or Avantasia, but the rest of them are power metal. (And Iced Earth isn't European.)

'cause it wouldn't fit. And it overlaps a bit with power metal, doesn't it? (I wouldn't know, 'cause i'm not a devotee of either of them)I'd say it overlaps the most with thrash. Also, there aren't many speed metal bands that are only speed metal and don't fit some other genre. Motörhead being the only one I can think of at the moment.

Black Metal, especially symphonic Black Metal. My favorite band is Emperor.I like Emperor, but can't like them that much due to the whole drummer murdering the gay guy thing.

Symphonic metal is neither stupid nor crap. It definitely deserves a place on the poll. If you don't believe me, listen to Live in Midgard.

Apart from that, I'm rather fond of death metal (good death metal, like Malevolent Creation) and power metal. The two opposite ends of the spectrum.

Symphonic metal is neither stupid nor crap. It definitely deserves a place on the poll. If you don't believe me, listen to Live in Midgard.

Apart from that, I'm rather fond of death metal (good death metal, like Malevolent Creation) and power metal. The two opposite ends of the spectrum.

I agree. Therion is one of the best bands around! \m/

Symphonic metal is neither stupid nor crap. I agree, but I would consider symphonic metal to be power metal.

Is System Of A Down Nu-Metal? Someone said so, but I aint sure of that. Anyways I really like it, so I voted the nu-thingy solely because of that.

Is System Of A Down Nu-Metal? Someone said so, but I aint sure of that. Anyways I really like it, so I voted the nu-thingy solely because of that.Yes.

I agree, but I would consider symphonic metal to be power metal.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

People, I had 10 spots. Are the above not influential enough to be on the poll?

Yes.

I would disagree. SOAD sound different to all of the other nu-metal bands. Most nu-metal has a very bleak feel, and SOAD's playing or lyrical style doesn't really match that.

I agree, but I would consider symphonic metal to be power metal. Have a listen to Progenies of the Great Apocalypse.:p

me likes it all but thrash probably would have to be all time favourite :)

thrash is the only thing i can play on guitar *is a shred-head* :D

but once you know enough bands to fill in the gaps between the genres, classifications like these become kind of meaningless ;)
(not that i do know enough bands yet... not by a long way... but getting there :P )

wheres the progressive genre for the best band in the world, Tool?

I almost vomitted in my mouth a little... So many people like that horrible band, but I'm sort of used to that right now. I'm dismayed that somebody would taint the prog metal genre with this avant garde indie rock crap... (This is just my opinion. If you can say they are the best band in the world, I can say they are crap.)

Kanabia: Also why did you include hair/glam and not prog metal? I mean come on... Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Fates Warning?! And what about folk metal? The genre exploded in recenttimes, with such bands as Elvenking, Kopikalaani, Finntroll and the etc. (and I mean you can probably lump viking metal within folk metal...) And yes I think those two genres are more important than hair/glam and possibly some other option that I'm too lazy to check now that I'm posting.

And I said Death metal... but thats mostly because of Chuck Schuldiner's works.

Dream Theater
w00t! rock so much...

damn yous amy for seeing them live!! :( ;)

w00t! rock so much...

damn yous amy for seeing them live!! :( ;)

Indeed they do...

I wanted to vote progressive but it wasn't a choice (grr) so voted for power instead.

:D hehehe *points and laughs*

Oh, and you have an email. Yup. Another one :p

Damn i voted wrong. I thought Metallica fit in the power metal genre so i voted for it.

Hmmm...Death, Doom, or Black...or Grindcore. Goddamn you, Kanabia, I shall not choose! Where do Opeth come in this lot?

Hmmm...Death, Doom, or Black...or Grindcore. Goddamn you, Kanabia, I shall not choose! Where do Opeth come in this lot?
Damn, forgot about them...
(And I'd say, out of the choices, they're most likely Death...)

Kanabia: Also why did you include hair/glam and not prog metal? I mean come on... Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Fates Warning?! And what about folk metal? The genre exploded in recenttimes, with such bands as Elvenking, Kopikalaani, Finntroll and the etc. (and I mean you can probably lump viking metal within folk metal...) And yes I think those two genres are more important than hair/glam and possibly some other option that I'm too lazy to check now that I'm posting.

Hair/glam is the obligatory crap option, that's why. If sales figures are any indication, it has/had enough popularity to warrant a place. If I put Prog metal instead, I bet someone would bitch about hair metal not being on the poll. Maybe, if they had the balls to admit it, anyway. ;) But seriously, I don't think my opinion on the quality of a specific genre entitles them to a place. If you look at the list, they ARE all genres from which it is easy to name more than five influential bands from. Unfortunately, I couldn't fit any more.

Folk metal, yeah, okay, that would fit, too, (and i did think of putting it on there) but when we start talking "Viking Metal", it gets silly. I've actually heard Fintroll referred to as "Troll Metal". I contemplated putting Folk Metal in place of Grindcore, but grindcore is surprisingly popular, it seems.

In hindsight, I probably could have merged Doom/Stoner/Sludge, but I don't reckon that really works, because most Doom bands don't sound much like stoner metal at all. So I stand by the ones I put there.

I knew either way that no matter what I put on the poll, everyone would bitch about their favourite not being represented, so at the end of it, i just thought "stuff it".

Hmmm...Death, Doom, or Black...or Grindcore. Goddamn you, Kanabia, I shall not choose! Where do Opeth come in this lot?
I think Opeth goes in the pretencious-but-relatively-talented-death-metal-that-would-be-listenable-to-if-they-realize-their-limits-and-stop-trying-to-fit-as-many-riffs-as-they-can-into-a-song-because-only-a-few-sound-good-the-rest-are-boring-and-ruin-the-whole-song-and-make-your-goddamned-songs-shorter-some-bands-can-handle-long-songs-Opeth-can't. Yeah I think they are in that genre...

Damn, forgot about them...
(And I'd say, out of the choices, they're most likely Death...)

Out of those choices, I'd agree, but they don't really fit the Death genre that well

Hmmm...Death, Doom, or Black...or Grindcore. Goddamn you, Kanabia, I shall not choose! Where do Opeth come in this lot?

I'd say death.

I think Opeth goes in the pretencious-but-relatively-talented-death-metal-that-would-be-listenable-to-if-they-realize-their-limits-and-stop-trying-to-fit-as-many-riffs-as-they-can-into-a-song-because-only-a-few-sound-good-the-rest-are-boring-and-ruin-the-whole-song-and-make-your-goddamned-songs-shorter-some-bands-can-handle-long-songs-Opeth-can't. Yeah I think they are in that genre...

LOL. That's exactly what I think of them. Musically they are quite good, but they try and have this epic feel that doesn't quite work for me and I end up listening to something else when i'm about 4 minutes into the song.

Hair/glam is the obligatory crap option, that's why. If sales figures are any indication, it has/had enough popularity to warrant a place. ".
Since when has metal been about sales figures? (If you don't mention Metallica and its ilk...)

Since when has metal been about sales figures? (If you don't mention Metallica and its ilk...)

I'm not saying it is. But it obviously was a popular enough genre in its day. I may not like it, but other people do....or did. I generally don't care for Black metal, but that has no bearing on whether or not it should be on the poll or its status as a distinct genre....other people like it, so it goes on. I tried my best to fit the most relevant genres on the poll, but I had no choice but to leave some things out.

Hair/glam is the obligatory crap option, that's why.
my old flatmate loves hair/glam metal :headbang:

its quite fun to listen to when you're in a fun sorta mood (or going out or something) but i'd much rather listen to something like hendrix/cream/zeppelin (sort of thing) in that case than semi-decent repetitive cock rock :p



:D hehehe *points and laughs*

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meanie :mad: ;)

i saw... and replied too! :P

my old flatmate loves hair/glam metal :headbang:

its quite fun to listen to when you're in a fun sorta mood (or going out or something) but i'd much rather listen to something like hendrix/cream/zeppelin (sort of thing) in that case than semi-decent repetitive cock rock :p

'mmm, yeah. Though Zeppelin can suit sadness very nicely too (particularly the first album). :p

'mmm, yeah. Though Zeppelin can suit sadness very nicely too (particularly the first album). :p
indeed :P
but i just love to put stuff like communications breakdown or no quarter on and chill :)

ok new question then: which is better: classic rock (a la zeppelin/cream/hendrix/foghat/jefferson-whatever) or metal (of any genre, any band)?

me, i'm going :eek: cos its too hard a choice and i'm not gonna make it.
love em both in different ways

Folk metal, yeah, okay, that would fit, too, (and i did think of putting it on there) but when we start talking "Viking Metal", it gets silly. I've actually heard Fintroll referred to as "Troll Metal". I contemplated putting Folk Metal in place of Grindcore, but grindcore is surprisingly popular, it seems.

Well actually, Viking metal is not so ridiculously over-categorized a subgenre as it may appear. Viking metal has numerous bands that fall under the classification. And you can't really lump it in with folk metal, because it has a distinctly different sound. Whereas folk metal often involves folk based instruments, viking metal does not necessary have to. Viking metal sounds what would happen if black metal and power metal had sex and spawned an offspring.

I'd say they loosely fit in between "alternative metal" and "alternative rock", (which is so broad that it doesn't really tell you anything, I know... :p)
Which is why i cant answer this poll because it is so broad yet conflicting.

I'll vote Early 90's then.

Thrash Metal, quite simply, pwns all other metal varieties, although I'm partial to a bit of classic metal.

You missed out two very importent ones: Melvins and Mr Bungle.

You missed out two very importent ones: Melvins and Mr Bungle.
You've kind of missed the whole point, haven't you?

You missed out two very importent ones: Melvins and Mr Bungle.


Mr Bungle is in no way a metal band my good man, evenif it has done a small handful of metal songs. Unless of course you want to argue that the entire "Disco Volante" and "California" albums were actually metal odyssies in a fiendishly cunning disguise :)


Meanwhile, where's the Visual Rock option? Sure, the visual trappings of Visual Rock can be considered entirely an evolution of Hair and Glam, but the sound has progressed well beyond its origins of just being hair metal in a japanese accent. No metal poll can be complete without an option for eminently shaggable legends like Miyavi.

Hmm... I'm stuck between classic and thrash.

Just out of curiosity, where do Pantera, Sepletura, Black Label Society, Ministry and Rob Zombie come in?

Ahh, I love metal, so hard to categorize.
I liked most the genres and had a hard time deciding so I picked Doom, cause I like the word.

Awesome bands - Borknagar, Amon Amarth, Gojira, Arkona, Lanfear, Marduk, Asmegin, Soilwork, and frikkin Simon and Garfunkel - which are metal I don't care what you say. How can you have a name like Garfunkel and not be Metal.

European Metal owns all lol Theatre of Tragedy (Liv Kristine Velevet Darkness They Fear era) Nightwish, Tristania (Behind the Veil)

I am truly saddened that prog-metal was not included in the poll. Besides classic metal (especially Deep Purple), IMO prog-metal is the best form of metal. Dream Theater anyone?

I picked Black Metal, hard as it was to choose. While I don't like either of the bands given as examples of black metal, I've heard too many amazing things from that subgenre not to give it it's due. I mean, Emperor's later work is nothing short of outstanding. Once the gnre left Norway and grew up a bit especially when the Finns got ahold of it and Windir and Enslaved came on the scene) it managed to be the first iteration of metal that really stepped away from American roots and began to incorporate traditional European textures. Definately not for everyone, and definately not the only thing worth listening to, but a genre that deserves more respect than it gets.


Yeah...but...how many other examples can you think of? Unique, but they're the only real examples of it. One group doesn't really make a genre.


Haggard falls into the opera metal thing, as does Therion (maybe, I guess). Still, I have yet to hear an "opera metal" badn that isn't better described as being part of another subgenre (power metal for Nightwish, experimental/prog metal for Therion and Haggard).

What about Euro metal? (I dunno what you'd really call it) Stuff like Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Luca Turilli, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, Avantasia, etc.?

Or do they each fall into other categories?

All power metal bands. While most of those bands you named are technically far superior to the likes of Manowar, they're still basically doing the same "lets do thrash with melody" thing.

Anyways, Manowar would kill you for saying they are Power metal! Everyone knows that they play True Metal! :P

"When were in town, people's speakers explode! We don't attract wimps, 'cause were too loud, just TRUE METAL PEOPLE, thats Manowar's crowd!"

Most.Unintentionally.Funny.Band.Ever.

I like Emperor, but can't like them that much due to the whole drummer murdering the gay guy thing.

So listen to the albums he wasn't on (Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk, and Equilibrium IX), those are the only Emperor albums worth the time, anyway. Bad production in the early days really ruins the rest.

Where do Opeth come in this lot?

Either Black Metal or experimental.prog. It's hard because they're work is all over the place. Morningrise is pretty much straight black metal, Damnation is barely metal at all, Ghost Reveries is kinda deathy. Its all amazing, but they aren't really a band that you can nail down.

Well actually, Viking metal is not so ridiculously over-categorized a subgenre as it may appear. Viking metal has numerous bands that fall under the classification. And you can't really lump it in with folk metal, because it has a distinctly different sound. Whereas folk metal often involves folk based instruments, viking metal does not necessary have to. Viking metal sounds what would happen if black metal and power metal had sex and spawned an offspring.


I've yet to hear a viking metal band that wasn't basically a black metal band with different outfits. Sure, sometimes you have some different vocals, and the lyrical content is unique, but musically they are the same genre.

Folk metal, on the other hand, has the advantage of using both unorthodox instruments and radically different structures. What makes Finntroll interesting isn't that they sing about trolls, but that alot of their songs are structured around traditional rhythm patterns, making it essentially folk music with a metal execution. Korpiklaani takes that idea even farther (farther than anyone else, IMO) by using not only traditional structures, but adding extensive traditional instrumentation and the occasional Sami yoik. Also, if you're a folk metal fan, you have to track down Shaman. It's the project that the singer/guitarist from Korpilkaani had previously worked on. Much more folky,all the lyrics are in Sami, and about half of them are yoiked.

Grindcore is a type of punk and Iron Maiden are part of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. Classic metal would include Black Sabbath though.

All power metal bands. While most of those bands you named are technically far superior to the likes of Manowar, they're still basically doing the same "lets do thrash with melody" thing.

Ah. Thanks for clarification.

Damn, I should've voted power...

You missed out two very importent ones: Melvins and Mr Bungle.

The Melvins fit the very definition of stoner and sludge metal.

All power metal bands. While most of those bands you named are technically far superior to the likes of Manowar, they're still basically doing the same "lets do thrash with melody" thing.

"When were in town, people's speakers explode! We don't attract wimps, 'cause were too loud, just TRUE METAL PEOPLE, thats Manowar's crowd!"

Most.Unintentionally.Funny.Band.Ever.
It's always the black metallers that don't give Manowar the respect they are due. Yeah, they had some shitty songs (like blow your speakers), but come on... Battle Hymns? Into Glory Ride? Hail to England? The irony is that black metal has the likes of Immortal (and plenty more black metal bands who are to "into it") that gave us the laugh-out-loud funny "Call of the Wintermoon" music video... I mean I have never laughed so hard in my whole life.





I've yet to hear a viking metal band that wasn't basically a black metal band with different outfits. Sure, sometimes you have some different vocals, and the lyrical content is unique, but musically they are the same genre.
I bet you've been told that Bathory is viking metal. Tell me have you listened to say Ensiferum and Einherjer? Better yet, what viking metal HAVE you listened to?

. Also, if you're a folk metal fan, you have to track down Shaman. It's the project that the singer/guitarist from Korpilkaani had previously worked on. Much more folky,all the lyrics are in Sami, and about half of them are yoiked.
You say that like its easy. I've been trying to buy an album from Shaman that didn't cost like 30 dollars for over a year... (same goes with Korpikalaani)...

Grindcore is a type of punk and Iron Maiden are part of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. Classic metal would include Black Sabbath though.
Bah! NWOBHM and classic metal overlap. Most of the NWOBHM are considered classic metal nowadays--though its more commonly known as "traditional metal".

Grindcore is a type of punk and Iron Maiden are part of the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. Classic metal would include Black Sabbath though.

Grindcore is an extreme adherence to punk ideals that ends up sounding like metal. There :p

NWOBHM wouldn't fit anywhere. Classic metal covers it.

From the poll, classic metal probably would include Black Sabbath. However, had their Master of Reality album in particular only been released yesterday, I would call it Stoner metal. Many Sabbath devotees probably would identify most strongly with that genre. So I guess you could vote for either.

Hmm... I'm stuck between classic and thrash.

Just out of curiosity, where do Pantera, Sepletura, Black Label Society, Ministry and Rob Zombie come in?

Pantera have their roots in thrash. So do Sepultura, but they moved onto something similar to death metal.

Ministry and Rob Zombie would probably be considered Industrial...and Black Label Society seems to be a bit that way as well, from what little i've heard. (Rammstein would also fit in there)

I'd say it overlaps the most with thrash. Also, there aren't many speed metal bands that are only speed metal and don't fit some other genre. Motörhead being the only one I can think of at the moment.

I like Emperor, but can't like them that much due to the whole drummer murdering the gay guy thing.

All thrash metal is speed metal, but not all speed metal is thrash. That's what it basically boils down to.

The drummer in Emperor who killed the dude was only on their first album. They got a new drummer after he went to prison, and kept the new drummer for the rest of their existance as a band.

Pantera have their roots in thrash. So do Sepultura, but they moved onto something similar to death metal.

Ministry and Rob Zombie would probably be considered Industrial...and Black Label Society seems to be a bit that way as well, from what little i've heard. (Rammstein would also fit in there)
It is also arguable that Rob Zombie is hard rock... The White Zombie metallish elements were significantly reduced with Rob Zombie...

All thrash metal is speed metal, but not all speed metal is thrash. That's what it basically boils down to.

It's relatively a split down the middle of people who say that thrash = speed metal and people who claim that thrash =/= speed metal. I support the latter claim. I mean Reign in Blood is a prime example of a pure speed metal album... and what about some Priest records? Thrash? Nah... Speed metal right there...

Power Metal rule them all with a vengeance.

Oh, andManowar rules, hell I'll give someone an invisible ben franklin if they can tell me the CD my name comes from.

I find it funny I found this thread exactly as I put on Hammerfall.

I gotta go with death metal since Morbid Angel and Nile are probably my favorite bands right now, but I listen to all genres of metal really except for metalcore just cause im tired of it, its everywhere.

Power Metal - Manowar....

surely you mean Poser Metal if you mean Manowar??

surely you mean Poser Metal if you mean Manowar??

Manowar is not poser metal. It would only be such if you say Manowar is power metal, and then name the shitty non-powermetal stuff you listen to. [That statement is not against you, rather a general statement.] Manowar is every sense of power metal in the word. How do you think its poser?

I have seen them 3 times live. don´t worry I have no problems thar the are posers, because they are the best posers in the world. But only Joey has balls

I picked Classic, Judas priest and Black Sabbath being my favorite bands. Though Doom Metal would come a close second.

My definitions of the genres are way different than what's in this poll :P

Going by the band descriptions in the first post I'd have to pick black, I think.

Grindcore is an extreme adherence to punk ideals that ends up sounding like metal. There :p

Lots of grindcore doesn't sounds very metal-ish at all.

That said, I voted for grindcore.

Symphonic metal for me: Nightwish, Therion, Rhapsody, etc. It's about the only metal I can be bothered to listen to.

Fine i voted Hair!

It's relatively a split down the middle of people who say that thrash = speed metal and people who claim that thrash =/= speed metal. I support the latter claim. I mean Reign in Blood is a prime example of a pure speed metal album... and what about some Priest records? Thrash? Nah... Speed metal right there...

Slayer and Megadeth are usually called thrash, but also speed. Motorhead can be called speed metal, but one wouldn't call them thrash.

Trash Metal is the way to go, specially SEPULURA!!!!!!

Trash Metal is the way to go, specially SEPULURA!!!!!!

Trash metal. lol

Have any of you heard of the Brazilian band called ''Massacration"?

I would disagree. SOAD sound different to all of the other nu-metal bands. Most nu-metal has a very bleak feel, and SOAD's playing or lyrical style doesn't really match that.What SOAD has in common with most other nu-metal bands is their vocal style - rapping sometimes, other times elongating the words.
Their drumming is also similiar to nu metal, except it's more complex.
I would say that they're the best nu-metal band, but I'd still say they're nu-metal.

Have a listen to Progenies of the Great Apocalypse.Dimmu Borgir is black metal.

All thrash metal is speed metal, but not all speed metal is thrash. That's what it basically boils down to. Oh, I agree, but how many speed metal bands are there that aren't thrash metal bands?

The drummer in Emperor who killed the dude was only on their first album. They got a new drummer after he went to prison, and kept the new drummer for the rest of their existance as a band.He was on their 2nd, as well. The band had 5 studio albums, so that makes 2/5 of their work.
But as I said, I still like them, but not as much as I would otherwise.

It's always the black metallers that don't give Manowar the respect they are due. Yeah, they had some shitty songs (like blow your speakers), but come on... Battle Hymns? Into Glory Ride? Hail to England? The irony is that black metal has the likes of Immortal (and plenty more black metal bands who are to "into it") that gave us the laugh-out-loud funny "Call of the Wintermoon" music video... I mean I have never laughed so hard in my whole life.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I like Manowar (in small doses), and there are alot of black metal bands that are almost as funny because of how into it they are (ever seen Abruptum?, now THATS funny), but Manowar takes the cake because I had the chance to see them live in a small venue in the early 90s. See, grunge was starting to hit and "Smells like Teen Spirit" was all over the radio. So Manowar does their set and midway through Joey Demaio says something to the effect of "This is how music sounds if you have a huge penis" and they played "Smells Like Teen Spirit"....with a 2 minute bass solo.

I bet you've been told that Bathory is viking metal. Tell me have you listened to say Ensiferum and Einherjer? Better yet, what viking metal HAVE you listened to?

Bathory is Bathory, they're a black metal band, no question. When I think of the term "Viking Metal" I think about bands like Thyrfing, Enslaved, Windir, Falkenbach, and yes, Ensiferum and Einherjer. I've always felt that those bands were basically black metal bands that had grown up. Musically, you cannot deny the similarities. Different lyrics and image do not make a new subgenre for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking these bands (Windir is my favorite black metal band), I just don't think that slightly more mature lyrics and a lack of corpsepaint makes them a different kind of music.

You say that like its easy. I've been trying to buy an album from Shaman that didn't cost like 30 dollars for over a year... (same goes with Korpikalaani)...

I know, it sucks. I paid out the nose for the two Shaman CDs I have (but it was worth it). Korpiklaani I was able to pick up for a reasonable price at a local specialty store, but you can get their stuff on Amazon for around 15 bucks a CD if you live in the states. One caviat with Shamn, though: two different bands have recorded under the name Shaman. One is a side project of a few of the guys from Angra. If you're looking for the folk metal Shaman their CDs are called IDJa and Shamaniac.

Black Label Society seems to be a bit that way as well, from what little i've heard. (Rammstein would also fit in there)

Black Label is a hard band to place. Basically, its southern rock with a metal execution. I'd end up calling them classic metal simply because they don't fit any of the other opitions. A good rule of thumb, though, anywhere you'd put Motorhead, put Black Label Society.

Oh, andManowar rules, hell I'll give someone an invisible ben franklin if they can tell me the CD my name comes from.

Kings of Metal, track 8.

Hair, thrash, death classic.

I think that power metal is the best, because they have Blind Guardian! But I also love progressive, black and death metal.

Least bad sub-sub-genres, ie. wouldn't change channel if it came on:

cello rock (Apocalyptica)
opera metal (Nightwish)

Would propably change channel if HIM came on.
Apocalyptica are easily thrash metal, the fact that they play cellos not guitars makes no difference.

Nightwish is fairly straight-up power metal. Tarja's vocals are slightly influenced by her opera history, but not to any significant degree.

Grunge

I thought grunge was a punk sub genre?

I thought grunge was a punk sub genre?

**nod**

I thought grunge was a punk sub genre?

It's a mix of the two ... look at Mudhoney. No punk there.

Grunge = Punk and Metal's bastard stepchild.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I like Manowar (in small doses), and there are alot of black metal bands that are almost as funny because of how into it they are (ever seen Abruptum?, now THATS funny), but Manowar takes the cake because I had the chance to see them live in a small venue in the early 90s. See, grunge was starting to hit and "Smells like Teen Spirit" was all over the radio. So Manowar does their set and midway through Joey Demaio says something to the effect of "This is how music sounds if you have a huge penis" and they played "Smells Like Teen Spirit"....with a 2 minute bass solo. So what? They had enough good albums in the beginning to make up for crap like that...




Bathory is Bathory, they're a black metal band, no question. When I think of the term "Viking Metal" I think about bands like Thyrfing, Enslaved, Windir, Falkenbach, and yes, Ensiferum and Einherjer. I've always felt that those bands were basically black metal bands that had grown up. Musically, you cannot deny the similarities. Different lyrics and image do not make a new subgenre for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking these bands (Windir is my favorite black metal band), I just don't think that slightly more mature lyrics and a lack of corpsepaint makes them a different kind of music.
I personally think that the influences of black metal on some viking metal bands are not enough to classify them as black metal. I mean some of them like Ensiferum and Einherjer (most notably Blot) are as much power metal as they are black metal. Some I will agree are closer to black metal... but a lot are too far are removed.

I know, it sucks. I paid out the nose for the two Shaman CDs I have (but it was worth it). Korpiklaani I was able to pick up for a reasonable price at a local specialty store, but you can get their stuff on Amazon for around 15 bucks a CD if you live in the states. One caviat with Shamn, though: two different bands have recorded under the name Shaman. One is a side project of a few of the guys from Angra. If you're looking for the folk metal Shaman their CDs are called IDJa and Shamaniac.
Yeah I am aware of the confusion that revolved around Shaman... And ironically I am looking for both Shamans... But with Ebay I am no longer willing to pay more than 7 bucks (shipping included) for any album...

It's a mix of the two ... look at Mudhoney. No punk there.

Grunge = Punk and Metal's bastard stepchild.
You mean disowned bastard stepchild.

Pantera have their roots in thrash. So do Sepultura, but they moved onto something similar to death metal.


Don't Pantera have their roots in Glam? Pre-Anselmo at least. I vote stoner. And some doom.

Voted thrash. Metallica got me into the general metal genre.

What about Euro metal? (I dunno what you'd really call it) Stuff like Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Luca Turilli, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, Avantasia, etc.?

Or do they each fall into other categories?
I've heard all of them, and all of them are power metal.

What would Faith No More come under?
Funk-rock. Not metal.

I like Emperor, but can't like them that much due to the whole drummer murdering the gay guy thing.
That has nothing to do with the quality of the music.

Have a listen to Progenies of the Great Apocalypse.:p
Most symphonic metal bands are closer to either goth, progressive or power metal than any sort of unifying "symhonic" style.

Kanabia: Also why did you include hair/glam and not prog metal? I mean come on... Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Fates Warning?! And what about folk metal? The genre exploded in recenttimes, with such bands as Elvenking, Kopikalaani, Finntroll and the etc. (and I mean you can probably lump viking metal within folk metal...) And yes I think those two genres are more important than hair/glam and possibly some other option that I'm too lazy to check now that I'm posting.
I quite agree. Have you heard Ephel Duath?

Industrial.

So what? They had enough good albums in the beginning to make up for crap like that...

Heh, they're whole career had a very high cheese factor. Sure, they had good albums. Sure, they had good songs. Neither of those facts mean they weren't unintentionally hilarious the whole time. It was macho metal taken to it's logical extreme...loincloths and oil. I can't listen to Manowar without giggling just a little. Does that mean they suck? No, they were a great band and Demaio did some awesome things with a bass. Still, really, really funny. Honestly, listen to the title track off "Kings of Metal" and try to keep a straight face. THERES AN EXPLOSION SOUND EFFECT WHEN THE SINGER BRAGS THAT THEY MAKE SPEAKERS EXPLODE! Its funny, no way around it.


I personally think that the influences of black metal on some viking metal bands are not enough to classify them as black metal. I mean some of them like Ensiferum and Einherjer (most notably Blot) are as much power metal as they are black metal. Some I will agree are closer to black metal... but a lot are too far are removed.

True, but then they end up power metal. As a genre, there really isn't a unifying sound or musical trend that makes Viking Metal it's own genre. It is a tag that applies to lyrical content and look, not actual music. I mean, without mentioning philosophy or image, can you describe "Viking Metal" to me in a way that is different from black or power metal?

Yeah I am aware of the confusion that revolved around Shaman... And ironically I am looking for both Shamans... But with Ebay I am no longer willing to pay more than 7 bucks (shipping included) for any album...

Don't go with Ebay if you can avoid it. Alot of the sellers are Russian bootleggers and theres a good chance you'll get a green CDr with a bubblejet sticker.

is no one here who likes Blind Guardian or Rhapsody ?

is no one here who likes Blind Guardian or Rhapsody ?

I love Rhapsody and Blind Guardian. They are both amazing in my opinion, although I personally think Blind Guardian is better than Rhapsody.

:) yes I have ALL of them

Heh, they're whole career had a very high cheese factor. Sure, they had good albums. Sure, they had good songs. Neither of those facts mean they weren't unintentionally hilarious the whole time. It was macho metal taken to it's logical extreme...loincloths and oil. I can't listen to Manowar without giggling just a little. Does that mean they suck? No, they were a great band and Demaio did some awesome things with a bass. Still, really, really funny. Honestly, listen to the title track off "Kings of Metal" and try to keep a straight face. THERES AN EXPLOSION SOUND EFFECT WHEN THE SINGER BRAGS THAT THEY MAKE SPEAKERS EXPLODE! Its funny, no way around it.


I think Manowar is the cheesiest band that anyone shall every know. Kings of Metal was a tribute album to themselves. I mean c'mon a tribute to themselves?
But there is something about them that makes me love them.

:) yes I have ALL of them

So do I. :)

I think Manowar is the cheesiest band that anyone shall every know. Kings of Metal was a tribute album to themselves. I mean c'mon a tribute to themselves?
But there is something about them that makes me love them.

I have seen them on the earthshaker this year...was the best i have seen ...Battle Hymns with 2 drums and 3 guitars...wow...

1. you didn't put metalcore, which would include lots of stuff, anywhere from say, killswitch engage to (possibly) black dahlia murder. however, that genre is hard to put because it has a lot of variables. killswitch is more rock, whereas bdm is more death/grind... anyway, metalcore is probably my favorite.

2. when you say thrash, please specifiy it as "thrash metal" because there is thrash punk too, and when i tell people i like thrash they're like, yeah, anthrax is sooo good. i'm like, no dude, das oath is good. shut up. ahaha

3. a*c* is not grindcore, they are thrash (the punk kind)... and a horribly bad band by the way.

Don't Pantera have their roots in Glam? Pre-Anselmo at least. I vote stoner. And some doom.
yup, and their pre-phil albums are pretty awesome too! :p
really, some good tracks on them... like Pussy Tight... Tonight! :p

I quite agree. Have you heard Ephel Duath?
Yes... I have Painter's Pallette. I hear originally they were black metal... Which is a bit mind-boggling.

Heh, they're whole career had a very high cheese factor. Sure, they had good albums. Sure, they had good songs. Neither of those facts mean they weren't unintentionally hilarious the whole time. It was macho metal taken to it's logical extreme...loincloths and oil. I can't listen to Manowar without giggling just a little. Does that mean they suck? No, they were a great band and Demaio did some awesome things with a bass. Still, really, really funny. Honestly, listen to the title track off "Kings of Metal" and try to keep a straight face. THERES AN EXPLOSION SOUND EFFECT WHEN THE SINGER BRAGS THAT THEY MAKE SPEAKERS EXPLODE! Its funny, no way around it.

True, but then they end up power metal. As a genre, there really isn't a unifying sound or musical trend that makes Viking Metal it's own genre. It is a tag that applies to lyrical content and look, not actual music. I mean, without mentioning philosophy or image, can you describe "Viking Metal" to me in a way that is different from black or power metal?

Don't go with Ebay if you can avoid it. Alot of the sellers are Russian bootleggers and theres a good chance you'll get a green CDr with a bubblejet sticker.
As for Manowar... You just have to go with the flow. I mean there's funnier lyrics out there in power metal... Hammerfall's "Hearts on Fire"... Helloween's "Future World's"...

Viking metal is unique because it is a combination of power and black metal, oftentimes. Thats what sets it apart. I guess you could argue that isn't enough to warrant a genre. But hey metalcore is a commonly accepted genre.

And there is nothing wrong with Ebay... And I'm sorry but Russian bootlegs cost a helluva lot more because of shipping. I've bought plenty of albums off of ebay and I'm almost completely sure all of them are real.

1. you didn't put metalcore, which would include lots of stuff, anywhere from say, killswitch engage to (possibly) black dahlia murder. however, that genre is hard to put because it has a lot of variables. killswitch is more rock, whereas bdm is more death/grind... anyway, metalcore is probably my favorite.

2. when you say thrash, please specifiy it as "thrash metal" because there is thrash punk too, and when i tell people i like thrash they're like, yeah, anthrax is sooo good. i'm like, no dude, das oath is good. shut up. ahaha

3. a*c* is not grindcore, they are thrash (the punk kind)... and a horribly bad band by the way.
1. Metalcore is a combination of metal and hardcore. Many people don't consider it pure metal (like grindcore), since it's too inbred with hardcore.

2. Thrash and punk have a lot of similarities. Why anyone would call a genre thrash punk is simply perplexing, considering you have such genre-crossers like Suicidal Tendencies who flirted with both pure punk and thrash metal.

3. Um no.

And there is nothing wrong with Ebay... And I'm sorry but Russian bootlegs cost a helluva lot more because of shipping. I've bought plenty of albums off of ebay and I'm almost completely sure all of them are real.

I've gotten burned a few times with Ebay. Russian shipping rate really aren't that bad for one disk, especially if they only send you a CD in a slipcase (as was the case the last time I bought a CD on Ebay). If you're happy with what you bought, by all means, go with that company again, but some of the people selling harder to find european stuff are shady.

I've gotten burned a few times with Ebay. Russian shipping rate really aren't that bad for one disk, especially if they only send you a CD in a slipcase (as was the case the last time I bought a CD on Ebay). If you're happy with what you bought, by all means, go with that company again, but some of the people selling harder to find european stuff are shady.
Well I never bought anything from outside the US off of ebay... (Shipping rates have always been killer... 6 bucks minimum--thats too much in my book).

is no one here who likes Blind Guardian or Rhapsody ?
I love them, indeed, Blind Guardian is one of the 10 best bands in the world today IMO.

So, is it just my crappy corner of the country, or are Blind Guardian hard to find in shops in the UK?

I voted power metal...

Blind Guardian, Rhapsody, DragonForce...

I noticed that Industrial isn't on this list. *pokes* I'm sure that issue has been dealt with though. :p

And this thread reminds me of many a late drunken night trying to figure out metal genres. We're all nerds, aren't we? :D

As for Manowar... You just have to go with the flow. I mean there's funnier lyrics out there in power metal... Hammerfall's "Hearts on Fire"... Helloween's "Future World's"...

Viking metal is unique because it is a combination of power and black metal, oftentimes. Thats what sets it apart. I guess you could argue that isn't enough to warrant a genre. But hey metalcore is a commonly accepted genre.

And there is nothing wrong with Ebay... And I'm sorry but Russian bootlegs cost a helluva lot more because of shipping. I've bought plenty of albums off of ebay and I'm almost completely sure all of them are real.

Actually I can think of a song cheesier, and funnier to listen to then those above. Dionysus's Heart is Crying, is probably the funniest, worst ballad ever. Other than that song the band is pretty good.

2. when you say thrash, please specifiy it as "thrash metal" because there is thrash punk too, and when i tell people i like thrash they're like, yeah, anthrax is sooo good. i'm like, no dude, das oath is good. shut up. ahaha


This is a thread about metal.

What SOAD has in common with most other nu-metal bands is their vocal style - rapping sometimes, other times elongating the words.
Their drumming is also similiar to nu metal, except it's more complex.
I would say that they're the best nu-metal band, but I'd still say they're nu-metal.

Dimmu Borgir is black metal.

Oh, I agree, but how many speed metal bands are there that aren't thrash metal bands?

He was on their 2nd, as well. The band had 5 studio albums, so that makes 2/5 of their work.
But as I said, I still like them, but not as much as I would otherwise.

Motorhead and Venom I've heard referred to as speed metal. Neither are thrash.

Dimmu Borgir is definitely black metal. Symphonic yes, but still black metal.

I'm referring to In the Nightside Eclipse as Emperor's first album. Emperor is odd, because they had significant demos and EP work before they made their first LP.

Trym's first album with them was Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk. He also did the EP right before that as well.

Actually I can think of a song cheesier, and funnier to listen to then those above. Dionysus's Heart is Crying, is probably the funniest, worst ballad ever. Other than that song the band is pretty good.
Cheesier than "Future Worlds"? I don't believe it.

Motorhead and Venom I've heard referred to as speed metal. Neither are thrash.


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Some refer to early Blind Guardian as an example of speed metal.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just listen to the whole Reign in Blood album and tell me thats something other than speed metal. Thats probably the best example of speed metal in my opinion.

Silent metal, hands down.

All that Remains, Lamb Of God, Slayer, In Flames, Unearth, The Haunted, breed, God Forbid are all good, but not the only good ones. GWAR weirds me out, i mean any band who wears thongs on stage swinging around fake testicles and spraying fake and semen at the crowd...
I think the nerdiest metal genre (if metal can be called nerdy) would have to be sword metal, which is primarily Rhapsody i believe. oh man, it makes me laugh. Think of some of the fastest most epic sounding thrash and whatnot with medievel tone singing about king arthur, hehehehe :p

I think the nerdiest metal genre (if metal can be called nerdy) would have to be sword metal, which is primarily Rhapsody i believe. oh man, it makes me laugh. Think of some of the fastest most epic sounding thrash and whatnot with medievel tone singing about king arthur, hehehehe :p

Rhapsody is power metal.

Another nerdy band is Blind Guardian. You're not a nerd if you listen to Blind Guardian, but you most certainly are a nerd if you're in Blind Guardian.

Some refer to early Blind Guardian as an example of speed metal.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again. Just listen to the whole Reign in Blood album and tell me thats something other than speed metal. Thats probably the best example of speed metal in my opinion.

I have that album. It's thrash, without a doubt. In fact, it's one of the examples usually used as to what thrash is. However, most thrash falls under the speed metal category as well. However, not all speed metal is thrash metal.

I have that album. It's thrash, without a doubt. In fact, it's one of the examples usually used as to what thrash is. However, most thrash falls under the speed metal category as well. However, not all speed metal is thrash metal.
Are you kidding me? Reign in Blood is purely speed metal through and through. It doesn't have those lower distorted chords that are characteristic of thrash. It's clearer and the melodies are higher more akin to power metal.

EDIT: And speed metal in its purest form differs greatly from thrash. It's closer to power metal.

Power Metal
Although Classic and Thrash are pretty good

What do you call Strapping Young Lad

Singers Site with solo stuff
www.hevydevy.com
Got 'legal' mp3's of Streapping Young Lad

Are you kidding me? Reign in Blood is purely speed metal through and through. It doesn't have those lower distorted chords that are characteristic of thrash. It's clearer and the melodies are higher more akin to power metal.

EDIT: And speed metal in its purest form differs greatly from thrash. It's closer to power metal.

You're in a minority that thinks that Slayer isn't thrash. Slayer differs from the San Francisco scene in style, yes, but they are still thrash. The song "Raining Blood" is an incredibly thrashy song. As I've said earlier, speed metal is a bigger genre than thrash metal. Basically all thrash metal is speed metal, but many speed metal bands aren't thrash metal. Slayer, however, isn't one of them, and is, in fact, one of the most influential thrash bands.

It's a mix of the two ... look at Mudhoney. No punk there.

Grunge = Punk and Metal's bastard stepchild.

Bah! There is definitely punk in mudhoney! :p

Otherwise, you're right, though.

Out of the list, grunge would be closest to sludge metal, as I figure that includes the Melvins.

Don't Pantera have their roots in Glam? Pre-Anselmo at least. I vote stoner. And some doom.

Probably, I haven't heard any of their really early stuff, but I would say Cowboys from Hell and beyond is rooted in thrash.

1. you didn't put metalcore, which would include lots of stuff, anywhere from say, killswitch engage to (possibly) black dahlia murder. however, that genre is hard to put because it has a lot of variables. killswitch is more rock, whereas bdm is more death/grind... anyway, metalcore is probably my favorite.

I've heard of it, but I don't know what the fuck metalcore is. Metal + hardcore? That's extremely broad. You could apply that to a hell of a lot of bands that wouldn't traditionally be considered metal. Are Discharge metal? Nirvana's first album?

2. when you say thrash, please specifiy it as "thrash metal" because there is thrash punk too, and when i tell people i like thrash they're like, yeah, anthrax is sooo good. i'm like, no dude, das oath is good. shut up. ahaha

Um, look at the poll

3. a*c* is not grindcore, they are thrash (the punk kind)... and a horribly bad band by the way.

Whatever.

I noticed that Industrial isn't on this list. *pokes* I'm sure that issue has been dealt with though. :p

And this thread reminds me of many a late drunken night trying to figure out metal genres. We're all nerds, aren't we? :D

It has, and yes, yes we are.

That has nothing to do with the quality of the music.But it has everything to do with whether or not I'd shell out money to buy their T-shirt (or other albums, if I didn't own them all.)

a*c* is not grindcore, they are thrash (the punk kind)... and a horribly bad band by the way.I disagree, they're grindcore, but you're right that they're a horribly bad band. Almost as bad as another grindcore band, M.O.D.

Are you kidding me? Reign in Blood is purely speed metal through and through. How interesting, I'd say Reign in Blood was the very first death metal album.

What do you call Strapping Young LadI'd have to go with death metal, though it may not be quite accurate.

Motorhead and Venom I've heard referred to as speed metal. Neither are thrash.I'd say Venom is typically thought of as the first black metal band, mostly because of the title of their 2nd album.

I'm referring to In the Nightside Eclipse as Emperor's first album. Emperor is odd, because they had significant demos and EP work before they made their first LP.You wouldn't consider Wrath of the Tyrant to be their first album?

You're in a minority that thinks that Slayer isn't thrash. Slayer differs from the San Francisco scene in style, yes, but they are still thrash. The song "Raining Blood" is an incredibly thrashy song. As I've said earlier, speed metal is a bigger genre than thrash metal. Basically all thrash metal is speed metal, but many speed metal bands aren't thrash metal. Slayer, however, isn't one of them, and is, in fact, one of the most influential thrash bands.
I didn't say Slayer isn't thrash. I meant specifically Reign in Blood is speed metal. A whole bunch of their other songs are thrashy.

And I don't think there's much of a point continuing the long-standing arguement of what differentiates speed metal from thrash. (I say a lot, you say very little).

How interesting, I'd say Reign in Blood was the very first death metal album.




I think you are in the minority with that. Most people say its either Possessed's Seven Churches or Scream Bloody Gore. (I say its Scream Bloody Gore, since Seven Churches is just your run-of-the-mill thrash.)

I'd say Venom is typically thought of as the first black metal band, mostly because of the title of their 2nd album.
I'd say Venom was NWOBHM evolving into "proto-black" (as Venom and Motorhead were Bathory's main influences, and I'd consider Bathory the first real Black metal band)

my god i hate Venom...:headbang:

You've kind of missed the whole point, haven't you?
Yes! Ha ha ha!

I noticed that Industrial isn't on this list. *pokes* I'm sure that issue has been dealt with though. :p

And this thread reminds me of many a late drunken night trying to figure out metal genres. We're all nerds, aren't we? :D

Industrial isn't metal, it's electronic.

Some industrial uses heavy guitars (coldwave), some metal copied this style of music (industrial metal), however most industrial is not metalish at all.

Industrial isn't metal, it's electronic.

Some industrial uses heavy guitars (coldwave), some metal copied this style of music (industrial metal), however most industrial is not metalish at all.
I think Preebs meant Industrial Metal though ;)

I disagree, they're grindcore, but you're right that they're a horribly bad band. Almost as bad as another grindcore band, M.O.D.

Billy Milano's band? Since when were they grindcore?

So, is it just my crappy corner of the country, or are Blind Guardian hard to find in shops in the UK?

Not at all, HMV stock most of thier stuff (including imports) but will charge you an arm and a leg for it (ie £14.99+). Other retailers will have odds and ends of thier stuff but IIRC msot of the good albums are only available as imports. If you can shop online then amazon is generally very good for metal stuff and is generally reasonably priced or you can see if thier record label has an online store or mail order scheme.

Well I never bought anything from outside the US off of ebay... (Shipping rates have always been killer... 6 bucks minimum--thats too much in my book).


They claimed to be a US company, but the postage record was from Russian routed through the Czech Republic. Like I said, shady, lol.

my god i hate Venom...:headbang:

Thank you.

Black Metal...

definitely !!
Cradle of Filth; Dimmu Borgir; Emperor; Gorgoroth; Marduk; Mayhem;
Just some of the "most wanted" in black metal and all of them are awesome...

No seriously, in my opinion there's only ONE kind of METAL ;)

You guys know Finntroll ? ("humpa black metal") If you ever get the chance to listen to that weird kind of musik JUST DO IT, you'll love it ! I promise !

Not at all, HMV stock most of thier stuff (including imports) but will charge you an arm and a leg for it (ie £14.99+). Other retailers will have odds and ends of thier stuff but IIRC msot of the good albums are only available as imports. If you can shop online then amazon is generally very good for metal stuff and is generally reasonably priced or you can see if thier record label has an online store or mail order scheme.

Just my crappy corner of the country, then:)

Cheers for that, though.

black metal for me thank you very much.I just can't go a day without some cradle of filth or behemoth or something like that

Power Metal
Although Classic and Thrash are pretty good

What do you call Strapping Young Lad

Singers Site with solo stuff
www.hevydevy.com
Got 'legal' mp3's of Streapping Young Lad

SYL, in my opinion, is the best described as death metal with hints of industrial. Some people say SYL is a mix of death metal, with nu-metal overtones.

How interesting, I'd say Reign in Blood was the very first death metal album.

WTF? Reign in Blood is death metal? This comes as a huge shock to me. How can you say one of the most successful thrash bands is tied with death metal? I would say Reign in blood is the epitome of thrash not death metal.

Where is Progressive Metal?

Where's Tanz-Metall?

I think you are in the minority with that. Most people say its either Possessed's Seven Churches or Scream Bloody Gore. (I say its Scream Bloody Gore, since Seven Churches is just your run-of-the-mill thrash.)

Though I disagree with you about Slayer's RiB album, I'd have to agree here that Possessed was the first band to make a death metal album.

You wouldn't consider Wrath of the Tyrant to be their first album?

Nope. Wrath of the Tyrant was a demo, at best an EP. There was also the Emperor/Enslaved split album (1993), that kinda counts as an EP for each of them, and then the As the Shadows Rise EP (1994), before they came out with In the Nightside Eclipse (later in 1994). Nightside was their first actual album.

You do have a point, though, as I think Faust was in the band from about '92 until '94 or '95 when he went to prison.

1. Metalcore is a combination of metal and hardcore. Many people don't consider it pure metal (like grindcore), since it's too inbred with hardcore.

2. Thrash and punk have a lot of similarities. Why anyone would call a genre thrash punk is simply perplexing, considering you have such genre-crossers like Suicidal Tendencies who flirted with both pure punk and thrash metal.

1. i wouldn't agree with that, because killswitch engage is far more metal than hardcore, there's virtually no inbreeding at all other than the mosh "break-downs" (not hardcore breakdowns... but.. same sort of idea)... and grindcore definately has some hardcore influence, but, i would agree that it is definately more related to metal. however, i consider it a separate entity.

2. there are two different types of thrash music. there is the metal thrash, which is just very fast metal music... and there is the punk type of thrash, which is often faster and definately simpler. personally, i don't really recognize thrash as a separate metal entity, (i would refer to thrash metal bands as just metal), whereas in the punk area thrash is different, as it does have some metal influence and is faster than your typical punk. vocally its a ton different too. anyway, idk, to me, when someone says thrash i think punk not metal. i think das oath/9shocks not anthrax.

I've heard of it, but I don't know what the fuck metalcore is. Metal + hardcore? That's extremely broad. You could apply that to a hell of a lot of bands that wouldn't traditionally be considered metal. Are Discharge metal? Nirvana's first album?

metalcore is broad. extremely broad. and since most of the bands in it can be classified as something else, you can say the genre doesnt exist but that it is merely a broader term for classifying lots of music. to be totally honest, i would call most of my metalcore something else if i just figured out what it was. metalcore is the box i throw all the metalish stuff i have that doesnt fit in pure metal or in another genre. i'm pretty sure i onyl have one actual pure metal band on my itunes, and that's 3 inches of blood... who are... well... i dont know. idk if theyre not really metal... oh wait no, i have like, nightrage too. they're definately metal.

discharge? d-beat. in fact, the whole genre was named after them. however, because d-beat is a blend of metal and punk, you could easily call it metal or punk.. more likely metal. however, i refer to them as d-beat to be more specific.

you can really call any kind of music whatever. i could say hawthorne heights is "hXc" because they have a pussy breakdown in one of their songs.

and to jello biafra, idk about a*c*. i guess my view of grindcore is slightly closed because i have been introduced to grindcore with cattle decapitation. the low, dirty, nasty, gross sounding grindcore. and that's what i like to associate grindcore with.

I've heard of it, but I don't know what the fuck metalcore is. Metal + hardcore? That's extremely broad. You could apply that to a hell of a lot of bands that wouldn't traditionally be considered metal. Are Discharge metal? Nirvana's first album?

metalcore is broad. extremely broad. and since most of the bands in it can be classified as something else, you can say the genre doesnt exist but that it is merely a broader term for classifying lots of music. to be totally honest, i would call most of my metalcore something else if i just figured out what it was. metalcore is the box i throw all the metalish stuff i have that doesnt fit in pure metal or in another genre. i'm pretty sure i onyl have one actual pure metal band on my itunes, and that's 3 inches of blood... who are... well... i dont know. idk if theyre not really metal... oh wait no, i have like, nightrage too. they're definately metal.

discharge? d-beat. in fact, the whole genre was named after them. however, because d-beat is a blend of metal and punk, you could easily call it metal or punk.. more likely metal. however, i refer to them as d-beat to be more specific.

you can really call any kind of music whatever. i could say hawthorne heights is "hXc" because they have a pussy breakdown in one of their songs.

and to jello biafra, idk about a*c*. i guess my view of grindcore is slightly closed because i have been introduced to grindcore with cattle decapitation. the low, dirty, nasty, gross sounding grindcore. and that's what i like to associate grindcore with.

I've heard of it, but I don't know what the fuck metalcore is. Metal + hardcore? That's extremely broad. You could apply that to a hell of a lot of bands that wouldn't traditionally be considered metal. Are Discharge metal? Nirvana's first album?

metalcore is broad. extremely broad. and since most of the bands in it can be classified as something else, you can say the genre doesnt exist but that it is merely a broader term for classifying lots of music. to be totally honest, i would call most of my metalcore something else if i just figured out what it was. metalcore is the box i throw all the metalish stuff i have that doesnt fit in pure metal or in another genre. i'm pretty sure i onyl have one actual pure metal band on my itunes, and that's 3 inches of blood... who are... well... i dont know. idk if theyre not really metal... oh wait no, i have like, nightrage too. they're definately metal.

discharge? d-beat. in fact, the whole genre was named after them. however, because d-beat is a blend of metal and punk, you could easily call it metal or punk.. more likely metal. however, i refer to them as d-beat to be more specific.

you can really call any kind of music whatever. i could say hawthorne heights is "hXc" because they have a pussy breakdown in one of their songs.

and to jello biafra, idk about a*c*. i guess my view of grindcore is slightly closed because i have been introduced to grindcore with cattle decapitation. the low, dirty, nasty, gross sounding grindcore. and that's what i like to associate grindcore with.

I think Preebs meant Industrial Metal though ;)
Of course. :p
And someone mentioned Tanz-metal. Since the term was coined by Rammstein, who are usually classes as Industrial METAL (;)) we can safely assume that that genre falls under IM too.

Its bothersome when I meet fans of metal who happen to dislike Classic metal. Its like being christian without believing in jesus (this comment NOT meant to start a theological debate.)

Also a big stoner rock fan (especially COC), with some interest in thrash (most particularly Metallica.)

dont forget RAMSTEIN

Let's all forget Ramstein, they are a joke. And for classic metal, I don't even see how anyone can argue that classic metal, with very rare exceptions granted to Metallica (which isn't even totally 'classic') and Iron Maiden and some others, even holds a square inch of ground on the current metal scene.

We've built on limits established by the groundbreakers- and while credit is due (but more to the likes of Celtic Frost than anyone like Kiss *shudder* or the other classic bands') that shouldn't be conflated with their music actually being better. A person fully capable of receiving the full intention and affect of the sound of bands from both the current and classic eras ought to see more offered in current metal.

<prediction>Enter the angry response that puts me up as some straw man that is easily duped by something random and dumb that I never even talked about at all, e.g. showy distortion effects, pure intensity for the sake of intensity while ignoring the writing and intricacy of songs, etc.</prediction>

wheres the progressive genre for the best band in the world, Tool?
SOOO MUCH respect earned for you!! (Ultimate power high-five)

Voted thrash. Metallica got me into the general metal genre.

What about Euro metal? (I dunno what you'd really call it) Stuff like Gamma Ray, Rhapsody, Luca Turilli, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, Avantasia, etc.?

Or do they each fall into other categories?

That's power metal.

I really think metal is over-catagorized. I don't think people that pour themselves into the world of metal would agree. And to talk of it just as being "categorized" frames it like us metal fans are fond of categorization like a stamp-collector is of categorizing stamps. Categorization here at least, is a real useful utility because there are many colors to metal and a very diverse fan base that totally all-out loves certain types of metal but can not even remotely tolerate other types.

There should have been an "Other" option - my favorite subgenre is Progressive (either in rock or metal).

Amen! I picked death, but I should have picked Stoner/Sludge, which is where this guy put Isis. I first saw the post and was hoping for a progressive category to go for.

Rasputina is cello-rock (as another example of cello-rock) but not metal in the least. I could also probably come up with one or two more examples of opera metal, but I wouldn't count that as a subgenre, I'd just call it power metal.
I think enough bands exist to make this a category. Try Epica, for example.

Yes.
There are called that a lot, but Nu-Metal is not really what they are. I don't know what they are, but Metal, and Rock, and Alternative are all important tags for them. There is certainly some System of a Down twinge that I'm not thinking of, but maybe some other poster can help me out.

I almost vomitted in my mouth a little... So many people like that horrible band, but I'm sort of used to that right now. I'm dismayed that somebody would taint the prog metal genre with this avant garde indie rock crap... (This is just my opinion. If you can say they are the best band in the world, I can say they are crap.)

I am not sure what you mean when you say it's "just your opinion", this is all opinions, we are all talking, it's kind of redundant, and it calling it your opinion doesn't give you a free pass. Congrats on viewing yourself as post-Tool, but I have a feeling that your intense rejection is the same strand in people that loudly diss the Mars Volta, and the people who way back when, protested against Tchaikovsky. I bet if it were as simple as not liking Tool, you would just not like them, and be done with it, but you are very projective and theatric about your opposition to them, which I think people will be when they are threatened.

But if you articulate what values you look for in a band, specifically a metal band, and get narrow enough (i.e., have the logic power enough to understand clearly the important elements of your experience with the music), I don't understand how you can come to such full-scale ignorance of what Tool has done for music. If you argue that you can't know what in the music makes you like it, it becomes even harder to keep the qualities Tool offers out of the group.

So many things that metal fans look for- conceptualization; vicious angry power, the touch of elegance, straightfoward effects produced by their instruments, the capability of the musicians involved (and what is capability unless it has to do which producing great music??) Tool outdoes almost everyone. If you care about shattering boundaries of conventional music to find new realms of expression that in their newness grant freedom, freshness, and power to the melodies that are used, Tool is one of your answers.

If you are looking for an intelligent restraint that brings out the quality of limits in music, and also a knowledge of where repition starts to dry up and become empty, you have to give Tool marks on this count.

If you are looking for meaningful lyrics (read the lyrics of The Grudge, track one from Lateralus, and attempt to argue against their relevance, the seriousness and strength of the message), Tool deserves credibility for attempting to do more than bands such as Anti-Flag who resort to :

But don't beleive what they say, because the government is lying (what a great reason huh?)
They've done it before, and don't you know they'll do it again

(but I like Anti-Flag). I bet if anyone did a serious comparison on the depth of a message offered by musicians, it would be hard to avoid granting Tool some credibility.

If you aren't willing to have this discussion, you ought to either shut the fuck up or plaster a big disclaimer regarding your hesitance/ignorance of Tool that keeps you from appreciating them. It's not that hard, and most people will first say that they don't understand or appreciate music before they say that it is bad.

Frankly, your reasons for why Tool sucks are cheap and vague, and I doubt that if you applied any serious standards (like the ones I offer), you are going to mount a solid criticism against them.

Kanabia: Also why did you include hair/glam and not prog metal? I mean come on... Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Fates Warning?! And what about folk metal? The genre exploded in recenttimes, with such bands as Elvenking, Kopikalaani, Finntroll and the etc. (and I mean you can probably lump viking metal within folk metal...) And yes I think those two genres are more important than hair/glam and possibly some other option that I'm too lazy to check now that I'm posting.

And I said Death metal... but thats mostly because of Chuck Schuldiner's works.

I've seen Dream Theater and Pain of Salvation- I think they are progressive metal, or very close to it. If you like these bands I find it absolutely shocking that you have such anger against Tool. Unless Tool's superiority to those bands (which is beyond question at least when we talk about Pain of Salvation, but harder to determine with Dream Theater) is threatening, which might be true. As far as them being hair/glam metal, I can see how you can say that is an element in both of those bands, but I don't think that's what they are about, in fact, I dislike that element because I feel it cheapens their music. And the true glam rock bands, if they are trying to have their theatrics take the place of quality music, by appealing to how "bad" and different they are, are bands I can hardly tolerate at all.

Either Black Metal or experimental.prog. It's hard because they're work is all over the place. Morningrise is pretty much straight black metal, Damnation is barely metal at all, Ghost Reveries is kinda deathy. Its all amazing, but they aren't really a band that you can nail down.

I always thought Opeth was pretty conclusively defined as Death Metal, even though they do so much to push its boundaries.

You say that like its easy. I've been trying to buy an album from Shaman that didn't cost like 30 dollars for over a year... (same goes with Korpikalaani)...

How is Shaman??

Thrash metal and grindcore are best because they are more punk influenced than others.

I am not sure what you mean when you say it's "just your opinion", this is all opinions, we are all talking, it's kind of redundant, and it calling it your opinion doesn't give you a free pass. Congrats on viewing yourself as post-Tool, but I have a feeling that your intense rejection is the same strand in people that loudly diss the Mars Volta, and the people who way back when, protested against Tchaikovsky. I bet if it were as simple as not liking Tool, you would just not like them, and be done with it, but you are very projective and theatric about your opposition to them, which I think people will be when they are threatened.

But if you articulate what values you look for in a band, specifically a metal band, and get narrow enough (i.e., have the logic power enough to understand clearly the important elements of your experience with the music), I don't understand how you can come to such full-scale ignorance of what Tool has done for music. If you argue that you can't know what in the music makes you like it, it becomes even harder to keep the qualities Tool offers out of the group.

So many things that metal fans look for- conceptualization; vicious angry power, the touch of elegance, straightfoward effects produced by their instruments, the capability of the musicians involved (and what is capability unless it has to do which producing great music??) Tool outdoes almost everyone. If you care about shattering boundaries of conventional music to find new realms of expression that in their newness grant freedom, freshness, and power to the melodies that are used, Tool is one of your answers.

If you are looking for an intelligent restraint that brings out the quality of limits in music, and also a knowledge of where repition starts to dry up and become empty, you have to give Tool marks on this count.

If you are looking for meaningful lyrics (read the lyrics of The Grudge, track one from Lateralus, and attempt to argue against their relevance, the seriousness and strength of the message), Tool deserves credibility for attempting to do more than bands such as Anti-Flag who resort to :

But don't beleive what they say, because the government is lying (what a great reason huh?)
They've done it before, and don't you know they'll do it again

(but I like Anti-Flag). I bet if anyone did a serious comparison on the depth of a message offered by musicians, it would be hard to avoid granting Tool some credibility.

If you aren't willing to have this discussion, you ought to either shut the fuck up or plaster a big disclaimer regarding your hesitance/ignorance of Tool that keeps you from appreciating them. It's not that hard, and most people will first say that they don't understand or appreciate music before they say that it is bad.

Frankly, your reasons for why Tool sucks are cheap and vague, and I doubt that if you applied any serious standards (like the ones I offer), you are going to mount a solid criticism against them.

I've seen Dream Theater and Pain of Salvation- I think they are progressive metal, or very close to it. If you like these bands I find it absolutely shocking that you have such anger against Tool. Unless Tool's superiority to those bands (which is beyond question at least when we talk about Pain of Salvation, but harder to determine with Dream Theater) is threatening, which might be true. As far as them being hair/glam metal, I can see how you can say that is an element in both of those bands, but I don't think that's what they are about, in fact, I dislike that element because I feel it cheapens their music. And the true glam rock bands, if they are trying to have their theatrics take the place of quality music, by appealing to how "bad" and different they are, are bands I can hardly tolerate at all.

The reason I project my dislike of the band so much is because I'm sick and tired of their fans' masturbatory "Tool are geniuses and everyone must see that" remarks. I hear them way too often and from too many people. That sort of zealoutry among the Tool fanbase makes me articulate my dislike of the band.

I love how Tool fans as yourself tend to think it is impossible to dislike Tool. Because music is so damn well objective, right? There are objective standards of what music must be liked by everyone. I find their songs annoying. I can't stand their riffs.

Yeah, they are avant-garde indie rock. Intelligence and freshness. Yeah, yeah. I've heard it all before. I really think it's just pretencious guitar wankery. They are just a bunch of stoners who have a studio jam session, from the sound of it, and they still sound much worse than Electric Wizard (I like Electric Wizard). And bringing up lyrics is truly saddening. There is no poignant thought-provoking meaning to it all. It's just thinly-veiledemo-ish whining. But hell, a viewer can add a lot of complex meaning to anything, so it hardly matters if they really thought about things more than the basic theme of the song.

So here is my "ignorance of Tool" unveiled. I just don't like them. Their music doesn't good to me. And it's pointless to discuss in terms of idealogical terms. I couldn't give two shits what they stand for represent and what "concepts" and "freshness" they have, when I don't like their "melodies".

So here is my "ignorance of Tool" unveiled. I just don't like them. Their music doesn't good to me.

Ignorance of grammar, too;)

But it has everything to do with whether or not I'd shell out money to buy their T-shirt (or other albums, if I didn't own them all.)

Download it!

Download it!
download the t-shirts johan? :p

Their music doesn't good to me. Ignorance of grammar, too;)

Hey, you have to admit that you just love those 'this sentence no verb' moments though, don't you?

I always thought Opeth was pretty conclusively defined as Death Metal, even though they do so much to push its boundaries.

They were, very early on. Honestly, the line between black and death metal (musically) is rather blurry. I tend to call Opeth black metal because they have a bit more texture than death metal usually shows, because they have less linear song structures, and because pushing boundaries musically when you're playing death metal tends to drop you in the same areas as moder black metal (Hollenthon come to mind, as does later period Emperor). There comes a point where its tomatoes (toh-may-tows)/tomatoes (tow-mah-tows), ya know?

How is Shaman??

UImm...interesting. I'd say amazing but its a really specialized sound that isn't going to appeal to many people. Less metal, more folk, and more than a little bit of world. Picture Enslaved meets Enya, in Sami....like I said, REALLY specialized.

well i like System of a Down (music, not necessarily politics. hehe)... so i'll vote for Nu-Metal

though like everyone else (lol), I like Metallica... so I'd vote second for their sub-genre.

I think you are in the minority with that. Most people say its either Possessed's Seven Churches or Scream Bloody Gore. (I say its Scream Bloody Gore, since Seven Churches is just your run-of-the-mill thrash.)How interesting. I've heard Reign in Blood called the very essence of death metal, usually they say it's the best death metal album of all time. I'd have to disagree on both counts, it's not even Slayer's best album, but I digress.

I'd say Venom was NWOBHM evolving into "proto-black" (as Venom and Motorhead were Bathory's main influences, and I'd consider Bathory the first real Black metal band)Perhaps, I can't dispute that.

my god i hate Venom...How come?

Billy Milano's band? Since when were they grindcore?S.O.D. is one of Billy Milano's bands, and they're not grindcore, but M.O.D. is.

WTF? Reign in Blood is death metal? This comes as a huge shock to me. How can you say one of the most successful thrash bands is tied with death metal? I would say Reign in blood is the epitome of thrash not death metal.Slayer is clearly death metal now, so it's quite easy to say that they're linked with death metal. They were thrash early in their careers, but then they changed genres at some point. I'd say it was with Reign in Blood, others may not, but Divine Intervention is undoubtedly a death metal album.

Nope. Wrath of the Tyrant was a demo, at best an EP. There was also the Emperor/Enslaved split album (1993), that kinda counts as an EP for each of them, and then the As the Shadows Rise EP (1994), before they came out with In the Nightside Eclipse (later in 1994). Nightside was their first actual album.Ah, that's interesting to know. Thanks. :)

and to jello biafra, idk about a*c*. i guess my view of grindcore is slightly closed because i have been introduced to grindcore with cattle decapitation. the low, dirty, nasty, gross sounding grindcore. and that's what i like to associate grindcore with.Pick up some early Napalm Death or Carcass, and you'll see what I mean.

well i like System of a Down (music, not necessarily politics. hehe)... so i'll vote for Nu-Metal

though like everyone else (lol), I like Metallica... so I'd vote second for their sub-genre.
if you liked St. Anger, you already voted for the right subgenre ;)

if you liked St. Anger, you already voted for the right subgenre ;)

Ha, very funny. You know perfectly well that St. Anger doesn't have any claim to be music of any sort. :D

Ha, very funny. You know perfectly well that St. Anger doesn't have any claim to be music of any sort. :D
exactly :p

How come?

uh, they just suck. ok i only got one album of theirs but it was so poor, boring, and awful-sounding that i took it back the same day. i think it was a best of too...

ps: SOD rule! woo scott ian! :)

uh, they just suck. ok i only got one album of theirs but it was so poor, boring, and awful-sounding that i took it back the same day. i think it was a best of too...

Are you talking about Venom? I remember you saying you hated them but am too lazy to check the thread.

Anyway, I heard a couple of songs today after hearing a Candlemass cover of
"Countess Bathory"...they were actually alright....hmm

Is System of a Down Metal? I like them, but does anybody know which genre they are?

Is System of a Down Metal? I like them, but does anybody know which genre they are?

They're certainly metal, but exactly where they fit is a point of contention. Some say nu-metal, but i'm not sure of that.

They're certainly metal, but exactly where they fit is a point of contention. Some say nu-metal, but i'm not sure of that.
I'd say Alternative Metal (which largely overlaps with Industrial Metal and nu-metal anyway ;) )

well i like System of a Down (music, not necessarily politics. hehe)... so i'll vote for Nu-Metal

though like everyone else (lol), I like Metallica... so I'd vote second for their sub-genre.
Please don't label SOAD as nu-metal. That's like throwing Slayer in with Son of Dork. Yugh.

System of a Down are unclassifiable. Closest is probably.. Stuff-that-goes-on-in-Daron-and-Serj's-heads Metal.

Folk Metal. You know it makes sense.

Slayer is clearly death metal now, so it's quite easy to say that they're linked with death metal. They were thrash early in their careers, but then they changed genres at some point. I'd say it was with Reign in Blood, others may not, but Divine Intervention is undoubtedly a death metal album.


Death Metal is determined by the way the instruments are played not the singing. Reign in Blood's singing is solely thrash, and so is instrumental sound.
Slayer nowadays is not very good, and it reminds me of a very nu-metal sound with the lyrics and dropped tune sound.

Is System of a Down Metal? I like them, but does anybody know which genre they are?

SOAD is definatly nu-metal. Their sound and lyrical content makes them jump right in with the rest of the nu-metal crap. It is safe to say I loathe nu-metal and what it has done to the genre of metal itself.

Please don't label SOAD as nu-metal. That's like throwing Slayer in with Son of Dork. Yugh.

System of a Down are unclassifiable. Closest is probably.. Stuff-that-goes-on-in-Daron-and-Serj's-heads Metal.

Folk Metal. You know it makes sense.

They are nu-metal though, you can't escape it. The wayyy dropped sound and immature lyrics makes them them one of the epitomes of nu-metal. Where did the Folk Metal idea of them come from?

On a side note, I personally think nu-metal is the worst genre of metal availible. It has butchered metal completely, and nowadays the media tells everyone nu-metal is good and whatnot. Nu-metal pisses me off because when mallwhores, or preps, or wiggers think of metal, they automatically think nu-metal and get the wrong idea of everything.

bah, nu-metal was good before all the goobers started liking it and all the shitty bands piled on the bandwagon, back in the old days of early koRn and deftones, fear factory and biohazard...

linkin park were the turning point i think (but i still kinda like them... its hard not to (and they have an awesome live act i've seen twice :)))

SOAD are ok imo. interesting and at least different from all the other nu-metal out there (but still nu)

Are you talking about Venom? I remember you saying you hated them but am too lazy to check the thread.

Anyway, I heard a couple of songs today after hearing a Candlemass cover of
"Countess Bathory"...they were actually alright....hmm
yeah, venom. just don't like their sound but i suppose i could check them out again (its been a couple of years)

edit: Death Metal is determined by the way the instruments are played not the singing. Reign in Blood's singing is solely thrash, and so is instrumental sound.
Slayer nowadays is not very good, and it reminds me of a very nu-metal sound with the lyrics and dropped tune sound.
quite true. god hates us all had a really nu-metal sound

kinda thrashy tho at the same time... like nu-thrash... hmm.


what about bands like god forbid? nu-metal or not? they've been going since '89 i think, but their sound is pretty nu :confused:
(and they're fucking awesome! (live))

I go with Power Metal! Blind Guardian is my alltime favourite band.
Tharsh is a close second. Especially the German bands like Kreator and Sodom.

Does anyone of you know the band Savatage? Imo they are pure musical genious, but noone appears to even have heard of them...

About the genre discussions. I have made a long post about how I see it in a thread called "what is metal". Since I'm rather lazy I'm just going to put the same one in here :p

It is difficult to define 'metal' as a whole because there are so many different subgenres. The general, imo rather vague, definition is : a form of rock music charactarized by agressive, driving rhytmns with amplified, distorted and often downtuned guitars.
The first 'real' metal band would be Black Sabbath, as allmost all their songs would fit this deffinition. Unlike Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple (and others) who have a few songs that could be labbeled metal, but the rest are generally hardrock or bluesrock.

The oldest of the metal subgenres, originating in the 70's, is called 'Heavy Metal'. The name comes from the lyrics from the Steppenwolf song 'born to be wild'. It is bassicly blues rock on steroids with some classical arrangements thrown in the mix. Lyrical themes range from everyday life over history to legends and myths. The most well known bands are Black Sabbath and Van Halen. In the late 70's in the UK Six Pistols' style punkrock slightly influenced heavy metal, resulting in the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM). With Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Saxon being it's most famous advocates.

In the 80's two completely different styles develloped (mostly in the US), namely thrash (mind the first H as it is often misspelled as trash) and glamrock.

Glamrock or 'hairmetal' is metal going through it's 'pop' stage. If you want to know why it's called hairmetal, look at some pictures of bands like
Poison, Mötley Crüe and Twisted Sister.

Thrash takes metal to the next level of speed and agression. It’s heavily influenced by the punkscene with harsh, proclaiming lyrics and a vocal style to match; fast, double base drum rhytms and staccato riffs on guitar. It originates mostly from the San Fransisco bay area. Most wellknown bands are: Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer. The European thrash scene centers mostly on Germany with Kreator, Destrucion and Sodom being the 'Big Three'. Why it's called thrash? Go see a concert of one of the above bands and go stand in the front row, and try to get through the concert alive ;)

Death metal evolved from Thrash, taking the extreme to the extreme. Technical, fast rhytmical patterns and 'blast beats' on drums; downtuned bass guitars; technical, low and extremly 'heavy' guitar riffs and a deep, guttural vocal style called 'grunts' define this genre. Drastical, accute tempo changes often occur during the songs. The brutal style evolved in the US and the UK. Obituary, Entombed, Death are some bands that come to mind. The Scandinavian style is more melodic and is called Gothenburg metal (after the place of orrigin in Sweden). At the Gates, In Flames and more recently Arch Enemy and Soilwork are examples of this. Lyrical themes are mostly things like death, killing, Satanism, ...

Black metal is the second subgenre sprouting fort from thrash. It evolved mainly in Scandinavia and is characterised by (really) fast, agressive drums; relativly simple, repetitve guitar riffs; high pitched , screeching vocals. Classical arrangements play an important role in this genre. Also, according to most ‘true’ black metal fans, a black metal band must by definition have satanic, pagan or anti-religious lyrics in order to be called black metal. Bands sounding like black metal but having Christian influenced lyrics (e.g. Graveworm) are mostly not accepted as being black metal. Black metal originated in the late 80’s from bands like Venom , Mercyful Fate and Slayer (musicly speaking none of those are real black metal bands, but they created the mindset from wich black metal came fort.) Some of the first real black bands are Bathory, Celtic Frost and Mayhem. In the 90’s a so called second ‘wave of black metal’ emerged in Europe with bands like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth and Emperor placing the classical influences on the forefront, adding layers of keyboards. The genre is named after Venoms’ album ‘Black Metal’.

Speed metal is often confused with thrash. You can say that all thrash is speed metal, but not all speed metal is thrash. It is not a real defined genre by itself, but it can be discribed as ‘Heavy metal played fast’. So it groupes a lot of bands that at first glance don’t have that much in common e.g.: Judas Priest, Motörhead and Venom. All these bands are quite different from each other and none of them are thrash. Priest is a product from the nwobhm movement, Motörhead is a mixture of heavy metal, punk and rock’n roll, and Venom is one of the forefathers of the extreme metal scène. What most speed bands have in common is a lot of fast twin guitar riffing and long spun out guitar solo’s.

Power Metal is a late 1980’s evolution of 70’s heavy metal. It adds more speed and more melody to the equition( so it’s a type of speed metal). Typical for the genre are multi layered vocal harmonics, sung by a high-pitched ‘clean’ singer. The lyrical themes are history, sci-fi and fantasy. The genre was pioneered by Helloween. Other good power bands are Blind Guardian, Sonata Arctica and Manowar (they should come with a warning sticker: EXTRA CHEESY).

Progressive metal is the metal version of progressive rock, taking the metal music to its technical limits. Influences from other ‘technical genres’ like jazz can be mixed with the metal basis. Dream Theater, Savatage and Queensrÿche are som examples

Nu-metal typically combines aggressive, hip hop influenced, angst-ridden vocals; samples, rap-style beats and drum set patterns and/or DJ techniques. Guitars are often used as purely rhytmic instruments with simple, low tuned riffs and solo’s are noticed by their absence.

There are far more subgenres and subgenres of subgenres, not even to mention the crossover genres, but these are the main ones.

This post is a bit lengthy and my english is quite limited, so I hope it is uderstandable ;)

I'd say Alternative Metal (which largely overlaps with Industrial Metal and nu-metal anyway ;) )

Yep, that's what I labeled them as earlier in the thread. Alternative Metal is an extremely broad term, though...

Does anyone of you know the band Savatage? Imo they are pure musical genious, but noone appears to even have heard of them...
Savatage rocks!

bah, nu-metal was good before all the goobers started liking it and all the shitty bands piled on the bandwagon, back in the old days of early koRn and deftones, fear factory and biohazard...

Yeah, I have no shame in saying I like all of the above...though out of Korn's entire catalogue, I think only the first two albums were worth anything.

Machine Head's latest album has a pretty nu sound...but...it kicks arse.

yeah, venom. just don't like their sound but i suppose i could check them out again (its been a couple of years)

Hmm....i'll have to hear more before I make a conclusive opinion. I thought they were pretty good, though.

Machine Head's latest album has a pretty nu sound...but...it kicks arse.

MH's 'Through the ashes of empires' is the least nu-metal sounding album since their 'The more things change' album ...
It totally kicks ass nonetheless.

Yeah, I have no shame in saying I like all of the above...though out of Korn's entire catalogue, I think only the first two albums were worth anything.

Machine Head's latest album has a pretty nu sound...but...it kicks arse.

MACHINE FUCKIN' HEAD! MACHINE FUCKIN HEAD!!! woot!

seen em live twice too :D


as for korns albums, i agree the first two are good... but i actually like their 4th the best ("Issues"). its the most polished and its still different from any/most other metal i've heard
plus its majorly depressing when you're in the mood for that kind of music :p

Hair metal, but only if GnFnR counts. Otherwise classic metal.

Ruuuuuun tooooo theeee hiiiiiiiilllls!

MH's 'Through the ashes of empires' is the least nu-metal sounding album since their 'The more things change' album ...
It totally kicks ass nonetheless.

Yeah, I heard that the earlier stuff (apart from their first album) were rap-metal....kinda put me off checking that out. Only in very rare instances is that done well. Oh well. The point remains, it's a great album :)

MACHINE FUCKIN' HEAD! MACHINE FUCKIN HEAD!!! woot!

seen em live twice too :D

Cool :)

as for korns albums, i agree the first two are good... but i actually like their 4th the best ("Issues"). its the most polished and its still different from any/most other metal i've heard
plus its majorly depressing when you're in the mood for that kind of music :p

Yeah...it's okay. I like the angriness of songs like "Faget" (sic) and "Good God", though. :)

(Plus, I can relate to the first one....everyone back in high school thought I was gay :p)

Yeah...it's okay. I like the angriness of songs like "Faget" (sic) and "Good God", though. :)

(Plus, I can relate to the first one....everyone back in high school thought I was gay :p)
chris and fass, sitting in a tree......k-i-s-s-i-n-g... :p
sorry, someone had to say it ;)

ps: good god rules :)
pps: i need to 'let you hear' that cathedral album don't i.... just remembered

Another nerdy band is Blind Guardian. You're not a nerd if you listen to Blind Guardian, but you most certainly are a nerd if you're in Blind Guardian.
I would take offence to that if it wasn't true ;)
One of the reasons I like BG so much (besides their music) is that they don't have that arrogant air of 'Tr00nes' a lot of bands seem to posses. If you look at a band picture of them, you'll see just that: a picture of the band. They aren't parading around in loincloths or chainmail waving with swords, they aren't covered in blood and corpsepaint trying to look evil, ... They just play their music without any pretences.

chris and fass, sitting in a tree......k-i-s-s-i-n-g... :p
sorry, someone had to say it ;)

Hahaha...the rumour was mostly about me and one of my best friends...who turned out to be bisexual. So they were half (a quarter?) correct. Didn't really bother me that much anyway. It was fun to play along sometimes.

Even so, I get hit on by guys heaps more than girls. Never figured that one out.

ps: good god rules :)

:D
pps: i need to 'let you hear' that cathedral album don't i.... just remembered

Yeah, and i'll 'introduce' you to some of their better tracks. :)

Even so, I get hit on by guys heaps more than girls. Never figured that one out.

hahaha pretty boy... ;) :p


Yeah, and i'll 'introduce' you to some of their better tracks. :)
sounds good to me. working now (supposedly... am at lunch :)) but i'll be around later. but of course, just to clarify, we won't be filesharing at all.






*wink*

SOAD is definatly nu-metal. Their sound and lyrical content makes them jump right in with the rest of the nu-metal crap. It is safe to say I loathe nu-metal and what it has done to the genre of metal itself.

They are nu-metal though, you can't escape it. The wayyy dropped sound and immature lyrics makes them them one of the epitomes of nu-metal.
Ouch!! You can't seriously equate the musical value of SOAD to crap like limp shitzkit. SOAD actually use more than one time signature per album (usually about four per song). Immature lyrics!! Since when was bemoaning the state of the world, criticising the government(well) and wailing about the death of children immature? These guys are on a crusade to make sure that the world remembers the annihilation of almost an entire country. Immature..

ugh, nu-metal :: shudders ::

Where did the Folk Metal idea of them come from?
I didn't mean system were folk metal. I was just trying to bring an oft-neglected sub-genre to the attention of the many.

Finntroll Rock

hahaha pretty boy... ;) :p

Bah! ...I really don't think it's that :p

sounds good to me. working now (supposedly... am at lunch :)) but i'll be around later. but of course, just to clarify, we won't be filesharing at all.

Nope, not at all. We're responsible citizens. *nods*

Now where's my bong?

Ouch!! You can't seriously equate the musical value of SOAD to crap like limp shitzkit. SOAD actually use more than one time signature per album (usually about four per song). Immature lyrics!! Since when was bemoaning the state of the world, criticising the government(well) and wailing about the death of children immature? These guys are on a crusade to make sure that the world remembers the annihilation of almost an entire country. Immature..

"My cock is much bigger than yours!"

Yeah, I know what that song is about and I like SOAD...but my experience is that people generally don't like to read too much into music. :p

Classic Metal all the way! Although you can't beat a bit of Thrash or Death.

if you liked St. Anger, you already voted for the right subgenre ;)

funny you mention it... i listen to the Rocks station on VH1.com radio, and every hour or two a song from St. Anger comes on.

i highly recommend the Rocks station for listening at work - they play stuff from such bands as SOAD (Chop Suey, Aerials, another one), A Perfect Circle (i love Judith), Metallica (vintage and new), Korn, Megadeth, Soundgarden, Thornley, Jet, Incubus, AC/DC, Ozzy, Nirvana, PJ, etc.

funny you mention it... i listen to the Rocks station on VH1.com radio, and every hour or two a song from St. Anger comes on.

i highly recommend the Rocks station for listening at work - they play stuff from such bands as SOAD (Chop Suey, Aerials, another one), A Perfect Circle (i love Judith), Metallica (vintage and new), Korn, Megadeth, Soundgarden, Thornley, Jet, Incubus, AC/DC, Ozzy, Nirvana, PJ, etc.

Have you tried www.pandora.com? It's free..and it customises itself by playing random songs to suit your taste. Takes a bit of tinkering, but it's well worth it.

Have you tried www.pandora.com? It's free..and it customises itself by playing random songs to suit your taste. Takes a bit of tinkering, but it's well worth it.
it only has about 1/5 of my fav bands :(

I voted nu-metal, but its not the best, you didnt include Math-metal! how could y ou miss it out !?

Dillinger Escape Plan! Sikth! Converge!

you bastards

"My cock is much bigger than yours!"

Yeah, I know what that song is about and I like SOAD...but my experience is that people generally don't like to read too much into music. :p
well.. that particular song is about.. uh.. the varied states.. of uh.. it's about.. the place of pride in uh..

Yeah, forgot about Cigaro. Ok, so one or two songs may be slightly mental/immature/plain weird... people who don't want to learn anything from music should just stick to the charts. Bland shite for all!! (that may just be the UK's charts, the actual talent content of which might, on a good week, equal the amount of talent Herman Li has in one toe.

for immature music.. Korpiklaani - Beer, Beer!!

I voted nu-metal, but its not the best, you didnt include Math-metal! how could y ou miss it out !?

Dillinger Escape Plan! Sikth! Converge!

you bastards
Yea! Math-metal really is a big, important genre representative for a big part of the metal scene !! bastards!

I voted nu-metal, but its not the best, you didnt include Math-metal! how could y ou miss it out !?

because it sucks
because there are only 10 poll options and more important genres were also left out
because it's actually called "mathcore" and doesn't belong to Metal at all (though nu-metal should have been left out too ;) )
because there is a conspiracy against you
because the OP doesn't like maths
because Kai Hansen said so

Have you tried www.pandora.com? It's free..and it customises itself by playing random songs to suit your taste. Takes a bit of tinkering, but it's well worth it.

Looks interesting...

**goes to play**

I voted nu-metal, but its not the best, you didnt include Math-metal! how could y ou miss it out !?

Dillinger Escape Plan! Sikth! Converge!

you bastards

Because it's shit. Happy? No? Piss off :p

it only has about 1/5 of my fav bands :(

Mine too...but it's something, at least.

Try...K666 Radio (http://64.34.166.148:9002/listen.pls). It's mostly stoner/doom stuff, though. (you'll need realplayer)

Have you tried www.pandora.com? It's free..and it customises itself by playing random songs to suit your taste. Takes a bit of tinkering, but it's well worth it.

thanks, kanabia!

i mean MATE!

hehe

Listen to sikth, its closer to metal then hardcore, depends on the band, converge - hardcore sikth - metal dillinger - mix

but it all comes from metal! bastard!

well.. that particular song is about.. uh.. the varied states.. of uh.. it's about.. the place of pride in uh..


It's about how international politics is nothing more than a pissing contest between rival ego's. :p

im not gonna win this arguement thou so i'll leave it be... bastard

because it sucks
because there are only 10 poll options and more important genres were also left out
because it's actually called "mathcore" and doesn't belong to Metal at all (though nu-metal should have been left out too ;) )
because there is a conspiracy against you
because the OP doesn't like maths
because Kai Hansen said so


yeah, polls are cool mostly but for the author, someone always bitches about his choice not being in the poll... but there are a max of 10 options. For many (if not most) polls, there are way more than 10 possibilities.

thanks, kanabia!

i mean MATE!

hehe

You're welcome. :)

yeah, polls are cool mostly but for the author, someone always bitches about his choice not being in the poll... but there are a max of 10 options. For many (if not most) polls, there are way more than 10 possibilities.

It's really not that bad; telling people to STFU and quit bitching can be quite fun.

because it sucks
because there are only 10 poll options and more important genres were also left out
because it's actually called "mathcore" and doesn't belong to Metal at all (though nu-metal should have been left out too ;) )
because there is a conspiracy against you
because the OP doesn't like maths
because Kai Hansen said so

Discussion closed! Kai Hansens word is law!

It's about how international politics is nothing more than a pissing contest between rival ego's. :p
..yeah, that's just what I was thinking..

hadn't thought of it that way. is good. and my shit stinks much better than yours...?

and my shit stinks much better than yours...?

Pretty much the same meaning, i'd gather :p

Discussion closed! Kai Hansens word is law!
Amen

Have you tried www.pandora.com? It's free..and it customises itself by playing random songs to suit your taste. Takes a bit of tinkering, but it's well worth it.

trying it out now

i've put in the following (don't laugh, i like a bit of everything):

50 Cent
SOAD
A Perfect Circle
Bryan Adams
Chicago
Madonna
Snoop Dog
Frank Sinatra
Mozart

hehe

i've put in the following (don't laugh, i like a bit of everything):


well, good news, I find that it doesn't randomly shove songs together (can't picture myself listening to Mozart following SOAD :p)...it tends to focus on a particular style for a while.

manowar is heavy metal
power metal is like blind guardian!

Ha, very funny. You know perfectly well that St. Anger doesn't have any claim to be music of any sort. :D

Ya gotta wonder how the same man can produce both St. Anger and the Black Album. One is an example of perfect production and the other sounds like a bad four track. Goddamn its annoying. It's not like there was a gradual slip, either. Like the music or hate it, Load and ReLoad had EXCELLENT technical production. *grumbles*

what about bands like god forbid? nu-metal or not? they've been going since '89 i think, but their sound is pretty nu :confused:
(and they're fucking awesome! (live))

Modern metal? That whole crop of new metal bands that have been starting to pop up are confusing. I know some of them have been around for awhile, but theres still this feeling that they're all hitting with a similar sound at a similar time. On the one hand, alot of them sound like In Flames/Soilwork, on the other, its alot like death metal with better production and more precision (or, at least, more audible precision). Still, it sounds slick and highly produced, alot of it sounds almost mass marketed. Lots of skill, lots of time in a ProTools Studio, not a whole lot of heart or innovation. Still, thats my opinion, I'm a bit of an old curmudgeon and I haven't really dug into that whole scene.

for immature music.. Korpiklaani - Beer, Beer!!

LOL, ok, so they have ONE immature song (two if you count the first track off their first album), but they're fun. The rest of the lyrics are more mature but even if they weren't, Korpiklaani is one of the best bands out there today. Granted, they're too wierd to ever really make it big, but you have the rare convergence of strong song writing, innovation, and technical excellence. They really are the best of the folk metal bands out there and, unlike the rest of their little wing of metal, they actually make integral use of both folk instruments and structures. The heavy use of yoik and occasional use of Sami(though both were more utilized in Shaman) is something that virtually no one else does. The only other band that comes close is Moonsorrow and half the time they've got both feet planted pretty firmly in the black metal camp.

I go with Power Metal! Blind Guardian is my alltime favourite band.
Tharsh is a close second. Especially the German bands like Kreator and Sodom.

Does anyone of you know the band Savatage? Imo they are pure musical genious, but noone appears to even have heard of them...

Yes, go Savatage!

I'm listening to Hall of the Mountain King right now.

Also, as far as power metal I'd recommend a band called Dragonforce. They're relatively new but damn good.

http://www.dragonforce.com/

I'm listening to the Locust, and you should too.

Korpiklaani is one of the best bands out there today... The only other band that comes close is Moonsorrow and half the time they've got both feet planted pretty firmly in the black metal camp.
aye, sorry. Didn't mean to play down Korpiklaani. I really like them although they do have a tendancy to go a bit morose like in kadetsiipina. Ah well. Metal.. with accordions. The world is complete.

Moonsorrow.. don't like them as much as Trollhorn's other band. Finntroll just seems happier and more fun. Although my swedish ain't up to much so they could be screaming about death and suffering; I really wouldn't notice.

aye, sorry. Didn't mean to play down Korpiklaani. I really like them although they do have a tendancy to go a bit morose like in kadetsiipina. Ah well. Metal.. with accordions. The world is complete.

Moonsorrow.. don't like them as much as Trollhorn's other band. Finntroll just seems happier and more fun. Although my swedish ain't up to much so they could be screaming about death and suffering; I really wouldn't notice.


Moonsorrow is an acquired taste. Jammy black metal with heavy folk influences can be a bit much. I mean, have you heard their new album Verisakeet? 5 songs, three of them over 14 minutes, one over 19, and one short little diddy that clocks in at just over 8 minutes. It can get a bit overwhelming, still, I enjoy them. Whereas Finntroll is celebratory and very bouncy, Moonsorrow is much more reserved, more thoughtful.

Ya gotta wonder how the same man can produce both St. Anger and the Black Album. One is an example of perfect production and the other sounds like a bad four track. Goddamn its annoying. It's not like there was a gradual slip, either. Like the music or hate it, Load and ReLoad had EXCELLENT technical production. *grumbles*


A big "indeed" to that.

Also, I love Kanabia in an entirely non-sexual way. www.pandora.com is making my life better!

Discussion closed! Kai Hansens word is law!

Amen.

Speaking of Kai, has anyone heard the new Gamma Ray CD?

Yes, go Savatage!

I'm listening to Hall of the Mountain King right now.

Also, as far as power metal I'd recommend a band called Dragonforce. They're relatively new but damn good.

What exactly is Savatage (genre wise)? I've heard of them, but not any of their music.

Oh, and Dragonforce is not damn good.....they are A-fuckin'-mazing. They are one of my favorite bands at this moment, and their technical skill and lyrics are just...awesome. If you can, download or buy their new CD. It's really really good.

Oh, and Dragonforce is not damn good.....they are A-fuckin'-mazing. They are one of my favorite bands at this moment, and their technical skill and lyrics are just...awesome. If you can, download or buy their new CD. It's really really good.

**thinks** new Dragonforce CD? Don't they have one coming out in January?

What exactly is Savatage (genre wise)? I've heard of them, but not any of their music.

Savatage an American progressive/power metal band.
I suggest you look for any of these 3 albums:
Streets - a rock opera (still with Jon Oliva as singer)
Edge of Thorns (first album with Zachary Stevens as singer)
Dead winter dead (with both Jon Oliva and Zachary Stevens)

edit: you can listen to some songs here http://www.savatage.com/index3.html

SUBGENRES?

You are ruining music, like hair metal did. Why don't we all segregate music as much as we can, that course would achieve all the unity we can immagine.

For fuck's sake. Subgenres.


Anyways, any "metal" that is in the key of the lowest string on the guitar (Metallica), contains members that try to show off to the point they lose their pop sensability (Van Halen, Dream Theatre), has vocals that over power everything else (Nevermore, Iced Earth, Opeth), uses so much double kick that it makes your chest hurt (Fear Factory, Atreyu), has WAY too much reverb/delay/any other sort of echo (SEE: 80's metal including Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Ozzy and his band's) is all GARBAGE.

Listen to Daughters. Listen to Comeback Kid.

Tool, one of my faves too, isn't really metal, it's more like...ehm you don't really bind a category to tool. Thats whats so great about it :) . Anyway, I dont have one catagory which I like the best in metal. as long as it isnt to much commercial, most bands will do

SUBGENRES?

You are ruining music...

The following is not directed at you, but at "genre-relativists" in general.

At a restuarant...
Don't-label-things-guy: "I'd like some soup."
Waiter: "What kind of soup would you like?"
Don't-label-things-guy: "Gawd! Why do you have to label everything? You are ruining the soup! Stop segregating the soups! Give me soup that I like!"

The following is not directed at you, but at "genre-relativists" in general.

At a restuarant...
Don't-label-things-guy: "I'd like some soup."
Waiter: "What kind of soup would you like?"
Don't-label-things-guy: "Gawd! Why do you have to label everything? You are ruining the soup! Stop segregating the soups! Give me soup that I like!"

ROTFLMAO!! **applause**

Anyways, any "metal" that is in the key of the lowest string on the guitar (Metallica), contains members that try to show off to the point they lose their pop sensability (Van Halen, Dream Theatre), has vocals that over power everything else (Nevermore, Iced Earth, Opeth), uses so much double kick that it makes your chest hurt (Fear Factory, Atreyu), has WAY too much reverb/delay/any other sort of echo (SEE: 80's metal including Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Ozzy and his band's) is all GARBAGE.

Listen to Daughters. Listen to Comeback Kid.

So, uh, all metal, ever, then? Except sell-out mallcore/mallmetal?

Grindcore, Stoner/Sludge and Nu-Metal, are not actual types of metal. You might as well have put Shock Rock in there, for examples of shock rock, listen to Marylin Manson, Korn, Nine Inch Nails, and Slip Knot.