NationStates Jolt Archive

what a pointless thread! Who really cares...

Nightmare, you beat me to both points! and i SO looked forward to responding to that one!

meh.

anyhow, i feel proud to apparently have made it to eut's ignore list. stuipd USian, that man :D

p.s. is it just me or does the topic of ignore lists pop up extremely often the last couple of days?
I'm sorry, dear - next time I might just wait a sec. Then again, I already did and Deutschländer Würstchen has one of the stupidest commercials ever, I just had to do this.

By the way, I have refered to the folks from the States as US-Americans before. Guess Eutrusca should be happy with that? After all, I refrained from calling you guys "Amis" (and this will, for now, be the only time I mention that :D).

In South America they refer to Americans as Norteamericanos, that is, North Americans. At least they do in newspapers and books. I suppose the Mexicans and the Candians might be offended by that.

People in the street refer to us as gringos, which is mildly pejoritive.

The correct Spanish term would have to be Estadunidenses, literally, people who live in the United States. But that's a mouthful.

So when someone who speaks Spanish wants to know where I come from, I'm in a bit of a quandry. Lately, I've decided to tell them I'm un Americano and let them sort it out.

its not incorrect.

the citizens of the united states of america are called americans just as the citizens of the united states of mexico are called mexicans.

besides, we got dibs on the name. if someone in the rest of the americas wanted to be called americans they should have founded their country before we did and then THEY would have had dibs.

Firstly "dibs" is a rediculous and childish concept.

Secondly, the name "America" was given to the continent first. Columbus did not define border areas, he just hit a landmass and called it America.

Firstly "dibs" is a rediculous and childish concept.

Secondly, the name "America" was given to the continent first. Columbus did not define border areas, he just hit a landmass and called it America.

Oh dear.

What I don't understand is why it's still called "United States of America". In the beginning it was clear: a collection of political entities in America joined together. But now, Alaska and Hawaii are not joined to the other ones, Hawaii isn't even in America!

To bring it up to date the name should be changed to "the Disjointed States of the Western Hemisphere", or "United States of America plus two odd ones".

:)

Call us what you want. We can't stop you, and you obviously don't have the manners to respect our wishes. But I officially claim the right to call other people whatever the hell I feel like.

Europeans who say USian will now be referred to by me as Idiotopeans now. All others will be Dumbassians.

Firstly "dibs" is a rediculous and childish concept.

Secondly, the name "America" was given to the continent first. Columbus did not define border areas, he just hit a landmass and called it America.


Actually, Columbus wasn't the one who named it that.

Call us what you want. We can't stop you, and you obviously don't have the manners to respect our wishes. But I officially claim the right to call other people whatever the hell I feel like.

Europeans who say USian will now be referred to by me as Idiotopeans now. All others will be Dumbassians.


Now there's a mature response. :rolleyes: This has officially become the silliest and stupidest thread ever.

Call us what you want. We can't stop you, and you obviously don't have the manners to respect our wishes. But I officially claim the right to call other people whatever the hell I feel like.

Europeans who say USian will now be referred to by me as Idiotopeans now. All others will be Dumbassians.
ROFLMFAO!!!!! :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the complete official formal title of Britain is [/i]The United Kingdom of Great[/i] Britain and Ireland, but they're still Brits, or Britains.

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Dear god if an Irishman heard you say that...!

The official title of Britain is:

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and its Islands and Colonies."

The Islands and Colonies is referring to places like Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Islands round Scotland, Falklands, Virgin Islands...etc

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.

:headbang: Ok, we are The United States of America, so we are Americans and make American products...The country is America, the United States is our government title...No one calls Germans the Bundesrepublikians, why? Because they're GERMANS! Our nation is called Ameirca, we we're the American colonies, like it or not, we are American...

Why do I have this feeling you're from either France or The Netherlands?

:headbang: Ok, we are The United States of America, so we are Americans and make American products...The country is America, the United States is our government title...No one calls Germans the Bundesrepublikians, why? Because they're GERMANS! Our nation is called Ameirca, we we're the American colonies, like it or not, we are American...

Why do I have this feeling you're from either France or The Netherlands?

Aren't you rather Texans, Washingtonians, Floridensis or Ill-noised? :D No, no, I'm not a teuton. I refuse to be called "Germane". Just call me a Berliner . Alternatively call me "deutsch". Because my country is not called "Germany", it it is called "Deutschland". And "Deutschländer" are only sausages nobody likes.

What? You want still to call me a German? Ok, then live with it that I call you "US-Amerikaner" if I want to make sure to tell somebody from where you are. :cool:

If your theory is correct then we shouldn't be calling any country by their name. If we call people from the United States OF America USians then shouldn't we be callling the french Republicians, or the spanish, constitutional monarchians?
Did you even read my post?

I was working under the assumption, as had been stated in this thread, that your country is technically known as The United States. Not the United States of America. Just The United States. As such, the technically best term would be United Statesians, or USians for short.

Other countries don't have this quandary, because there is no country that is technically called The Republic, or The Constitutional Monarchy.

What I was trying to point out was that people in Country A will always use some terms about people from Country B, that are not themselves used in Country B. This is why Deutschland is called Germany in English, Allemande in French, etc.

Many of the terms used to describe people in English don't have a lot to do with how those people call themselves. Neapolitans come from Naples, which in Italian in called Napoli. Florentiners come from Florence, Firenze. Austrians come from Österreich.
Yes, you call yourselves Americans. But why does that give you the right to tell other people what to call you? How is USian offensive, when it is apparently the technically correct term?

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.
No, you have inferred that; it is not implied. What it means is that within the Americas there are certain states which are united together, though it does not mean that all the states within the Americas are of this union.

[QUOTE=Texacans]No, you have inferred that; it is not implied. What it means is that within the Americas there are certain states which are united together, though it does not mean that all the states within the Americas are of this union.[/QUOTE

You have to realize that a *lot* of other countries don't see it this way...They think the whole country is united. Very astute observation though.

[QUOTE=Texacans]No, you have inferred that; it is not implied. What it means is that within the Americas there are certain states which are united together, though it does not mean that all the states within the Americas are of this union.[/QUOTE

You have to realize that a *lot* of other countries don't see it this way...They think the whole country is united. Very astute observation though.


Well, the whole "country' is united under a common constitution of laws. But if what you meant was that others make the same erroneous inference as Neo, then I would have to say..... Yes, you're right, they do indeed.

There is no such thing as a "USAian," or a "USian." That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill. The US of A has been called "America" since time immemorial and will continue to be called "America" as long as it exists.

Get use to it.

I can see the point to these names as it is not really a country like other Western democracies, but a series of states. This is due to the enormous amount of power granted to states instead of the federal government.
Let's face it, the death penalty only applies in certain states. If your governments can not agree on a official position for the nation, how the hell to expect them to govern properly?

Incidentially, how are those names pronounced, it could be amusing

There is no such thing as a "USAian," or a "USian." That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill. The US of A has been called "America" since time immemorial and will continue to be called "America" as long as it exists.

Get use to it.
Yeah, didn't read this thread, but yeah! GO EUT! GO EUT! WOOT! YEAH! :D

Are you U.S.S.R.ian? NO! You are Soviet. If you are from the USA, you are American.

I see other people's logic, but I still think people are nitpicking. People are always going to call Americans, Americans.
Why? because USain just sounds really, really stupid.

In South America they refer to Americans as Norteamericanos, that is, North Americans. At least they do in newspapers and books. I suppose the Mexicans and the Candians might be offended by that.Here, of course, is the important point, and why many historians/political scientists in the US - as well as many people outside the US - prefer not to consider "American" proper nomenclature.

"American," in a truly general sense, can (and sometimes is) used to refer to someone from either of two continents.Are you U.S.S.R.ian? NO! You are Soviet. If you are from the USA, you are American."Soviet," of course, being neither the name of some ethnic group, region, or historical kingdom. It is roughly equivalent to referring to a US resident as a "Stater."

"United Statesian" isn't too far off from that mold, although it is on the long side.

"Unstater" would ring well, but is awfully similar to "Unstadter," which already exists as a surname. (Then, so does "English." I had a Japanese teacher named that, once upon a time...)

Here, of course, is the important point, and why many historians/political scientists in the US - as well as many people outside the US - prefer not to consider "American" proper nomenclature.

"American," in a truly general sense, can (and sometimes is) used to refer to someone from either of two continents."Soviet," of course, being neither the name of some ethnic group, region, or historical kingdom. It is roughly equivalent to referring to a US resident as a "Stater."
Why is there such a big fuss? If you want everyone to know your American, say the bloody state you come from! Almost everywhere you go, even if you don't know a thing about the country your in, people will know and recognize things like Chicago, California, Detroit, Virginia, etc.

And, I've never heard of someone else from the Western Hemisphere being called an American, other than Americans, as in Citizens of the United States of America. (why are we called the USA? We were the first free colonies, and we needed a name) They're called, Canadian, Brazilian, Mexican, Columbian, Jamacia, Cuban, etc. Why don't we just up the generalizations and say, "I'm a Westerner!" Oh, wait, that means I could be from Europe or North America. Or do I mean Latin America?

We all know what we mean when we use American, but when I want people to know where I come from, I say, "Michigan." And they know where I'm from. Some people thing I'm from Michigan City, Indiana, but that's there problem. :p

I AM offended, I would prefer rather being a dog than being a US resident.

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Call us what you want. We can't stop you, and you obviously don't have the manners to respect our wishes. But I officially claim the right to call other people whatever the hell I feel like.

To me, this sums up this "issue" in a nutshell.

I call Germans Germans because no German on this forum has asked me to refer to all Germans as Deutsche. If a majority of German citizens on this forum were to ask that we refer to Germans as Deutsche, I for one would do so.

Yet when the term USian first started appearing on this forum, many US citizens stated (most politely, some impolitely) that they did not appreciate this term. It is clear that US citizens wish to be called Americans, yet some insist on continuing to use a term that many find derogatory, or at least (as I do) pointless.

It's not a matter of technical reference to the nations name, nor the common name shared by country and continent(s). It's a matter of refering to a group of people as they would wish to be referred to.

To me, it shows a lack of respect...it doesn't bother me personally, nor as an issue of technical usage (see my last post #184), but it shows the character of some to be lacking in terms of respecting the wishes of others...a point that saddens me on a certain level.

So what i American Pie?
and when it says made in America where exactly is it made?-Perhaps Korea.:confused:

Yet when the term USian first started appearing on this forum, many US citizens stated (most politely, some impolitely) that they did not appreciate this term. It is clear that US citizens wish to be called Americans, yet some insist on continuing to use a term that many find derogatory, or at least (as I do) pointless.Far from all. In fact, I happen to be born in and currently resident in the United States as a citizen... and I found myself spontaneously using the term "United Statesian" (the unabbreviated form of USian) not very long ago.

I actually think "USian" is - if not particularly well formed for speech - more semantically appropriate than the more popular term of "American." I, for one, would prefer to be called it.

Frankly, though, I don't see any particular reason to be offended by it in either case.

Mariehamn has a very nice solution - refer to yourself with something more specific, like "Virginian" - but really, it's the question of people calling other people things, or discussing in general the entire nation[ality], that comes up.

While the first part of your post that I have quoted is indeed true, it is completely irrelevant! Manufacturing has declined in importance, and the inability of Scotland, the North and Wales to adapt to this is a major reason for their current relative poverty.

I don't see the UK breaking up any time soon, especially as Scots, Welsh and Irish all benefit massively from subsidised (by England) public spending under the Barnett Formula.

What's wrong with the UK being Anglocentric? Considering the relative political, social and economic insignifance of the other nations it can't really go anywhere else...

Hmmmm. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2727993.stm

and hmmm again....http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4463320.stm

Nice flamebait though, you have my admiration...

Are you U.S.S.R.ian? NO! You are Soviet. If you are from the USA, you are American.

Actually there is no soviet union anymore. He has to be Commonwealthian ofian indepentian statesian, if you prefer putting him into such a category.

Otherwise you could just call him Russian, Ukrainian, Aserbaidshanian. In fact, you might have called most oft them always "Russki" before although he might stem from one of the other countries.

Thing is... The US government does not officially refer to the US as being America.
Your banknotes say "United States of America"
your postal service is the "US Postal"
Armes forces: USAF, US Navy. The ships - USS *insert name*.
Your embassies only refer to your country as "The United States".

Someone from the US is known as an "American", but America is not the official name of the USA, it's just that it's really anal to go about saying they should be called USAians or USians.

I see other people's logic, but I still think people are nitpicking. People are always going to call Americans, Americans.
Why? because USain just sounds really, really stupid.

USian is already widely used in Central and South America

:headbang: Ok, we are The United States of America, so we are Americans and make American products...The country is America, the United States is our government title...No one calls Germans the Bundesrepublikians, why? Because they're GERMANS! Our nation is called Ameirca, we we're the American colonies, like it or not, we are American...

Why do I have this feeling you're from either France or The Netherlands?

You forget. You arnt the only one called America. The continent is called America too. North and South. Your going to have to eventually understand that you do not have unilataral rights to the name

Actually, Columbus wasn't the one who named it that.

Yes he was. He didn't name it after himself but he did name it

Why is there such a big fuss? If you want everyone to know your American, say the bloody state you come from! Almost everywhere you go, even if you don't know a thing about the country your in, people will know and recognize things like Chicago, California, Detroit, Virginia, etc.
Half of which arn't states.

Canadians and Mexicans are free to call themselves North Americans, seeing as the continent is named "North America," and not "America." The Founding Fathers, with all their foresight, sadly did not choose a name for a country that's easy to mess around with. If it really bothers you, make like Spanish and just say "Native of the United States" (estadounidense). However, the whining has seriously got to stop over such a petty issue.

Secondly, Columbus called it "The New World." It was named for Amerigo Vespucci (not by him, either) by cartographer Martin Waldseemueller in 1507. Get your history straight, people >_>

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.

Your statement is incorrect:
In the english language America is equatable to the USA, North America incompasses all the countries in North America and the same for Central and South America. I don't really get the USians bit as english already makes it clear enough.

Also everyone else in the Americas nationality is defined realtive to their countries name (e.g. canadians). So why can the americans (or USians as some people use annoyingly [I can accpet that people use it just annoy people]) not be called after part of their countries name?

If you say America and are actually talking about the land masses then you are not being clear as you need to specify whichit is; is it north, south or central.

If you want to include all of them then you say Americas, as you used it in your post.

Well, the citizens of the United States of America can call themselves Americans as long as I'm not called one because I'm not.

Yes he was. He didn't name it after himself but he did name it
No, he didn't. He didn't even know he had arrived to a new continent (although, in some letters, he seems to suspect it).

meh. Use of "ian" is simply an attempt to annoy the americans.

Hey why not apply it to everybody.

Englandians
Swedians
Germanians
Polandians
Canuckians(I have heard a few Candians refer to themselves as Canucks).
Frenchians
Irelandians
Dutchians.....

Aussie here...

We mostly just call you guys seppos

But I see no problem with you calling yourselves Americans. I mean if a German wants to call himself a European then fair enough. Nothing wrong with that... its perfectly correct. Though I think you should be a little more inventive. Aussie is so much more endearing than Australian.. Maybe you could adopt the seppo term? Though that does tend to refer to travellers rather than people still living in the US. Or Ammos.. Or Yanks?

You do seem to need something a little more specific to your country? and USian or USAian really just doesn't cut it. I can see why you are sticking with American. Surely a country full of such creative folk can come up with something a little more colourful than American though?

You Limmies are all right! :p

Yanks tend to avoid the Southern types who think our civil war never ended or another one is about to happen.

The continent thing seems to be happening in Europe so maybe we should change to North Americans or at least NAians? ;)

Well we are the United Stats of AMERICA. We don't have a spiffy name like "Canada" or "Mexico" that we can tack on and use to call us by. Its pretty late now in our country's history to now anyways.:(

PS: Hehe ammos...

Even the most popular American dictionary disagrees with you:

Main Entry: Amer·i·ca
Pronunciation: &-'mer-&-k&
Usage: geographical name
1 either continent (N. America or S. America) of the western hemisphere
2 or the Amer·i·cas /-k&z/ the lands of the western hemisphere including N., Central, & S. America & the W. Indies
3 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

(from Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/america))

It looks to me from what you posted as if the end of it really does say "United States of America". So it looks like that dictionary agrees with him, not disagrees. I'm not saying I agree, but to post something to refute him that agrees with him is pretty weak.

It looks to me from what you posted as if the end of it really does say "United States of America". So it looks like that dictionary agrees with him, not disagrees. I'm not saying I agree, but to post something to refute him that agrees with him is pretty weak.
His point was that the correct name is "The United States of America".

Officially America/The US is not called 'America', it is either called "The United States" or "The United States of America". Officially it is never refered to as simply "America". As mentioned in my previous post:

Banknotes say "The United States of America"
The armed forces are: US Airforce and US Navy and US Marine core.
Postal Service : US Postal
Embassies are called "US Embassy in *insert embassies location*"

Also however - it is pretty anal to say that people from america/the US should not call themselves "American", but also someone from any country in the Americas can accurately call themselves "American", its just that many people would assume they are from the US.

Also however - it is pretty anal to say that people from america/the US should not call themselves "American", but also someone from any country in the Americas can accurately call themselves "American", its just that many people would assume they are from the US.

anal is good4u

this is a silly argument. what is really the issue is accuracy in language (in this case, english) and the concept of nationality (citizens of a state).

we can start with something simple, like: "three americans walked into a german beer hall...".

from this all you know is that the three visitors are from the americas - that is the continental land mass so called.

our story can then progress: "the barmaid asked the first where he was from. he replied "I'm a canadian from quebec"". this identifies him as a french-canadian, a citizen of the country of canada residing in (or born of) the province of quebec. she then asks the second the same question. he replies "I'm a mexican from yucatan". this identifies him as a citizen of the united states of mexico residing in (or born of) the state of yucatan. finally, she asks the third the same. he replies "!'m an american from america" - more of less leaving him in limbo.

a better answer might have been: "I'm a new yorker from the states".

like it or not, all people living in the americas are american. unfortunately, there is no accepted form to designate a citizen of the united states (of america) other than the generic term "american" which applies to more that just these citizens.

[speculation] it could be that the lack of this term was intentional to promote an individual's association with their state rather than the federal union.

in any event, while it is acceptable to refer to citizens of the united states as americans or for them to refer to themselves that way, it is an ambiguous term if refering to something which is not centric to the united states.

like it or not, all people living in the americas are american. unfortunately, there is no accepted form to designate a citizen of the united states (of america) other than the generic term "american" which applies to more that just these citizens.

Why not use the term US Citizen?

Why not use the term US Citizen?

That's exactly what I am thinking.

did i miss another country that has america in its name? none come to my mind.

i am not, nor is anyone else, a citizen of the continent or hemisphere i live in. im a citizen of the country i live in. as such i am an american.

people in north american are canadians, mexicans, hondurans, costaricans, etc. they are only americans if they are citizens of the united states of america.

that they live in north america is interesting but irrelevant to citizenship.

no CONTINENT is called america either. one sometimes hears the term "norte americano" which, i assume, refers to anyone living in north america. it would not be incorrect to call me, or anyone else living in north america, northamericans. it would just be so broad as to be meaningless.

dno CONTINENT is called america either.
But "American" is used to describe North and South America together, as in the Organisation of American States.

did i miss another country that has america in its name? none come to my mind.

This does not give people from the US sole claim to call themselves American.

Consider South Africa, I can't at the moment think of any other countres in Africa that contain the word "africa" in their name, but I assume you would find it ludicrous if someone from South Africa insisted that they were the only people living on the African continent who can legitmately call themselves 'African'.

Ugh...I don't like USian. Maybe USic.

About "South Africans," well, they're "South Africans." Or are they from Sub-Saharan Africa? Both? Nuts.

Never heard Latinos say Usian. Sorry. I think you made that up (whom ever you are, I forgot).

Or we can just say, like I do, "Hi, I'm from -insert state name here-."

Or, we can be smart, and say, "Hi I'm from north latitude 38, west latitude 45. Know where I come from now?" :D

USians irks me somewhat...

...however, I have no problems with all you EUists and UKites using it. :p

It because we have such a god damn long name!

Look at the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. We didn't call them USSRians, we called them Soviets.

Or Ruskies.

or commies...

or commie bastards..

godless heatens....

Ivan

Could call ourselves Staters. Or does somebody else have a claim on that?

USians irks me somewhat...

...however, I have no problems with all you EUists and UKites using it. :p

Good stuff. UKite....I could get used to that. Scottish, British and UKite. :fluffle:

Hurrah! 'Tis settled then!

United Statesians and United Kingdomites can once again get back to debating things that acutally matter...

...oh wait, that doesn't really happen on these forums. :p

Hurrah! 'Tis settled then!

United Statesians and United Kingdomites can once again get back to debating things that acutally matter...

...oh wait, that doesn't really happen on these forums. :p

Wash your mouth out. ;)

Wash your mouth out. ;)
With battery acid, communist heathen! :p

Considering the massive economic consumption of the US, what's wrong with its citizens being called USers? ;)

Although my time in Latin America has shown me that calling the U.S. "America" is a bit exclusive (although we ARE the oldest country in the Hemisphere, so if anyone deserves to it's us), I think there HAS to be a better alternative to "USian". It just sounds wrong. It is like that in spanish (estadounidense), but that doesn't have the same not-good-sounding-ness(too tired to remember another term...) of USian.

Considering the massive economic consumption of the US, what's wrong with its citizens being called USers? ;)
Dry humor alert! :p

Wash your mouth out. ;)


With battery acid, communist heathen! :p

Me? Communist??

Now I've heard everything! :p

Me? Communist??

Now I've heard everything! :p
Comrade! The Communist Party hears everything.

Ugh...I don't like USian. Maybe USic.

About "South Africans," well, they're "South Africans." Or are they from Sub-Saharan Africa? Both? Nuts.



Nah, in fact there is the country South Africa and the southern part of the continent Africa. Sub-Saharan would even imply central Africa. Yah.

And the United States of America were called "America" everywhere I went to, I suppose there is no need to change that, no matter which political stance you may want to apply. Just leave the term to them and don't summon the bullheaded just for the fudge of it. Cause there'd just be insult against insult, especially when people like FireAntz are involved. You know, these are the people you need to start a war.

...however, I have no problems with all you EUists and UKites using it. :p
With Europe, the difference is that there is no difficulty with anybody from the continent of Europe calling themselves European, whether or not their country is in the EU. I'm a European and an EU citizen, and the two things are not the same. But if a Canadian calls himself American, people would assume that he's a US citizen, because the term has been hijacked to refer to the people of only one part of America.

"British" extends beyond the borders of Great Britain (just as American extends beyond the borders of America, to Hawaii), but it doesn't exclude anyone within Great Britain, in the way that "American" excludes the majority of people from America.

I'm glad to see the "USian" term used more and more throughout the interwebz. It's a good term and much quicker to type.

With Europe, the difference is that there is no difficulty with anybody from the continent of Europe calling themselves European, whether or not their country is in the EU. I'm a European and an EU citizen, and the two things are not the same. But if a Canadian calls himself American, people would assume that he's a US citizen, because the term has been hijacked to refer to the people of only one part of America.

This implies that...

1. A Canadian would refer to themselves as "American"...something I would think to be unlikely, and rare in any event.

2. That the United States of America "hijacked" the usage of American from another nation at some point....

Yeah...I don't buy either one...but I'm not looking for a justification anymore, you EUists can go ahead and use the term if you wish.

Yummie, USian granddaughters!

Estadounidense translates as USian. Americano does not necessarily mean someone from the USA. To avoid confusion in Spanish, we use the more specific term. As more people are doing in English. If you really want to get upset about it, go ahead...it's not meant as an insult, but you are free to take it as one. As you are free to misinterpret anything at all. Enjoy.

This implies that...

1. A Canadian would refer to themselves as "American"...something I would think to be unlikely, and rare in any event.

actually, I'm canadian and I often refer to myself as an american (resident of the americas, not a US citizen). the difference is in citizenship or nationality if you prefer.

citizens of mexico, canada, brazil, costa rica, et al, are all americans.

sometimes, people of these countries don't like to be refered to as americans when the implication is that they are from the US (as citizens), as this is usually followed by much US bashing that they don't really care about. to this, the response is always, "sorry, I'm ".

2. That the United States of America "hijacked" the usage of American from another nation at some point....

I don't think anyone has said this.

the argument is centred around what term is used to describe a citizen of a country. in mexico, the term is "mexican". the US of A does not have a federal term (that's to say the states do, such as texan, new yorker, [I]et cetera) other than the generic term "american" which is inclusive of all peoples of the americas - not just US citizens.

somebody had mentioned that they liked the term "US citizen" and I have to agree that it is certainly accurate.

sombody else had said they are not a citizen of a continent and that is certainly true. european, american, asian, african, and such are broad descriptors which do not infer citizenship. it will be interesting to see what the EU does, as it is faced with the same problem. to say EU citizens are europeans is true but not all europeans are EU citizens.

I generally use US citizen, people from the US, and USian interchangeably, just so I'm not repeating one or the other too much. American citizen, for example, could refer to any citizen of the Americas, and I find it to be too ambiguous. As is the term American...not because people from the US would find it ambiguous, but because people from other countries might.

It just takes a couple of thick-headed idiots to come up with crap like USAians. I live in the USA. I am an American. It's that simple. Case closed. Move on!

There is no such thing as a "USAian," or a "USian." That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill. The US of A has been called "America" since time immemorial and will continue to be called "America" as long as it exists.

Get use to it.

Tellya what: YOU get "use" to using correct grammar, and we'll talk. I've got no problem with patriotism, but when it's coupled to ignorance and worn like a badge of honor, then I've got a problem. The word is "used" as in "get USED to it." Eutrusca, usually you're love-it-or-leave-it attitude is very well backed up, but this seems like something fairly petty for someone with whom I seldom agree but for whom I've always had some respect. Surely there's something more important for you to rant about?

It just takes a couple of thick-headed idiots to come up with crap like USAians. I live in the USA. I am an American. It's that simple. Case closed. Move on!
Oh, thank you so much for clearing that all up so quicly! Wow! That's amazing:rolleyes: Estadounidense tonto.

Oh, thank you so much for clearing that all up so quicly! Wow! That's amazing:rolleyes: Estadounidense tonto.

Really, there's no need to thank me. Lech mir 'mArsch.

[QUOTE=Sinputin]actually, I'm canadian and I often refer to myself as an american (resident of the americas, not a US citizen). the difference is in citizenship or nationality if you prefer.

citizens of mexico, canada, brazil, costa rica, et al, are all americans.

sometimes, people of these countries don't like to be refered to as americans when the implication is that they are from the US (as citizens), as this is usually followed by much US bashing that they don't really care about. to this, the response is always, "sorry, I'm [insert citizenship tag]".

... you call yourself American? LOL GL Buddy. No Canadian in their right mind would call themselves American, (continental or not). We are Canadian first and foremost. Our ancestors fought hard to have the country we now live in, and if you want to be American, the borders that way. Bush won the Presidency by lying, and the men and women who have died in Iraq for no reason are the only ones that know the truth. I have family in the US Marines and I talk to my cousin-in-law almost everyday. He was just offered $60000usd to stay with his Squad another 4 months. You know what... he laughed at his officer. Shows how well your war is going...

P.S. Don't forget... America invaded Canada and we pushed the Yanks all the way back to their white house, where we burned it to the ground. I little point (as there are tons more) they exclude out of history class, in your so called "democracy". You are taught what they want you to know, not what you should know, and it is for this reason that the citizens of the USA will always be living in fear. If you are taught by a scholar you will become one, if you are taught by idiots, well you get the point. I hope you prove my point and vote Bush back in... THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!!!! Another 4 yrs of point South and laughing.

Lech mir 'mArsch.
Yeah, I don't think I will...not for a USian.

We are Canadian first and foremost. Our ancestors fought hard to have the country we now live in, and if you want to be American, the borders that way.
Canadians fought to have their country? Hmm. That's not the way I learned it. I learned that Britain finally needed us to go our own way because we were becoming a financial burden...is there some war of independence I missed?

Canadians fought to have their country? Hmm. That's not the way I learned it. I learned that Britain finally needed us to go our own way because we were becoming a financial burden...is there some war of independence I missed?

You'll find this upsetting, but too bad. The original treaty that brought an end to the War of 1812 was for the British to give up ALL rights to North America, as we AMERICANS saw then as a nuisance.

Then the politicians from America realized they didn't want Canada and let Great Britain keep it. Later, Britain cut you loose too!

Yeah, I don't think I will...not for a USian.

I wouldn't even know what to do. "Lech mir am Arsch." has a considerable edit-distance to "Leck mich am Arsch.", something he might have wished to express.

In the part of Germany, here, where the "Deutschländer" live ;) ... we use to call USaians either US-Amerikaner or "Amis". That could be mistaken as a short form of "Amerikaner" but "Amerikaner" is only equal to "US-Amerikaner" if used in the context of the USA.

Still a funny thread. A thread very much congruent with the cliché (!) of the US-americans wanting to command everything, in this case even the way they are called and distinguished by other peoples speaking the same language. Pffffrzbwahahaha. Oh, I would not mind beeing able to do this myself too, but I just have to put up with older russian ladies calling me "Ah, nejmez, faschiest" instead of "maltschik" as a greeting :D

...You can either rename the USA...or the two continents around here...

I've always thought that South America got a raw deal. Until its "discovery", only nations had ever received directional adjectives as part of their names -- why a whole continent? Surely South America deserves a name of its own, otherwise why not call Europe "Western Asia" (which is kinda already in place with "Eurasia")?

I say we have a contest to rename North and South America. Screw Vespucci, he's had enough credit already -- besides the Vikings were here before that egotistical Italian was. Even Australia got its own name! So come on, NSers, let's rename the western hemisphere's continents. That way, the whole mess can be solved. It'll be cheap, too! Think of it -- all you'd need to fix would be globes, maps and atlases and the names of a few corporations. It isn't like everyone puts the continent on their stationery!

Any ideas?

[QUOTE=Sinputin]actually, I'm canadian and I often refer to myself as an american (resident of the americas, not a US citizen). the difference is in citizenship or nationality if you prefer.

citizens of mexico, canada, brazil, costa rica, et al, are all americans.

sometimes, people of these countries don't like to be refered to as americans when the implication is that they are from the US (as citizens), as this is usually followed by much US bashing that they don't really care about. to this, the response is always, "sorry, I'm [insert citizenship tag]".

... you call yourself American? LOL GL Buddy. No Canadian in their right mind would call themselves American, (continental or not). We are Canadian first and foremost. Our ancestors fought hard to have the country we now live in, and if you want to be American, the borders that way. Bush won the Presidency by lying, and the men and women who have died in Iraq for no reason are the only ones that know the truth. I have family in the US Marines and I talk to my cousin-in-law almost everyday. He was just offered $60000usd to stay with his Squad another 4 months. You know what... he laughed at his officer. Shows how well your war is going...

P.S. Don't forget... America invaded Canada and we pushed the Yanks all the way back to their white house, where we burned it to the ground. I little point (as there are tons more) they exclude out of history class, in your so called "democracy". You are taught what they want you to know, not what you should know, and it is for this reason that the citizens of the USA will always be living in fear. If you are taught by a scholar you will become one, if you are taught by idiots, well you get the point. I hope you prove my point and vote Bush back in... THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!!!! Another 4 yrs of point South and laughing.
I just decided to boycott canadian bacon, Molson and hockey. That's really all I ever had a use for Canada for anyway.

There is no such thing as a "USAian," or a "USian." That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill. The US of A has been called "America" since time immemorial and will continue to be called "America" as long as it exists.

Get use to it.

Actually, I think it's been called 'America' since time memorial to be precise.

Actually, I think it's been called 'America' since time memorial to be precise.
...since time IN memorial, to be correct

America is a term used for the United States Of America, We get to be called Americans becouse we were the first independant nation, of people who spoke european languages, on the American continents (shouldn't they be the columbian continents anyway he found them first)*. You don't call China: The Peoples Republicans do you... well I don't so if you do your wrong. Just because i said so**...It is an abriviation for the United States of America. USians and USAians is just plain stupid thats harder to say than People from The United States of America. I'm Proud to be an American not some retarded Soviet excuse for a name.

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KEEP EDITING, PAL!

*Ah, the USan school system. No, dear child, the continents are named after the Italian cartographer Amerigo Vespucci. Thankfully he inscribed the name based on his given name -- I don't think anyone would like being a Vespuccian, and "USV" just doesn't have as snappy a ring as "USA."

**"Because I said so." What a give-away.

*Ah, the USan school system. No, dear child, the continents are named after the Italian cartographer Amerigo Vespucci. Thankfully he inscribed the name based on his given name -- I don't think anyone would like being a Vespuccian, and "USV" just doesn't have as snappy a ring as "USA."
USV sounds like one of those bizarre diseases that you don't catch from dirty toilet seats, if you quite catch my drift.
If not then I am talking about the various ailments associated with fucking someone who is already infected and are readily transferrable by bodily fluids.
**"Because I said so." What a give-away.
Every country was named the way it was "because [someone] said so." The Spanish aren't born with the word "Spainiard" tatooed across their ass, and the name "USA" didn't grow on a mossy log somewhere.
National identity isn't naturally occuring.

There's nothing wrong with the term USian. The UKans seem to like it, as do the Kians. Rians seem to too. Cers don't have that problem though. :p

Alright heres what it comes down to. You Euros (this goes towards those Pinko-Canadians too) can call us whatever you want..Americans, USians, Fundemantalists, Martians....whatever. However, the term American will always apply to U.S. citizens, and U.S. citizens ONLY. USian will never be widely accepted and a bunch of cool kid forum posters are not going to change a damn thing. So, in the name of free speech, say what you want...and in the name of American Democracy, your say will not change anything!;)

The truth, straight from the Americans mouth.


AMERICAN PRIDE

I say we have a contest to rename North and South America. Screw Vespucci,
Who says it was named after Vespucci? :) There is a theory that it was named after Richard Amerik, Henry VII's chief customs officer in Bristol, who helped finance John Cabot's voyages.

Who says it was named after Vespucci? :) There is a theory that it was named after Richard Amerik, Henry VII's chief customs officer in Bristol, who helped finance John Cabot's voyages.

It was named after my great-aunt, Erica. She didn't speak English very well. They asked her where she wanted to go and she said, "Name? I am Erica." And they said, "you want to go to a place named Am-erica?" And she said, "No. No. I am Erica. I go. I am Erica, am Erica." And they said, "Point to it on the map." And she did. And they said, "that place. I didn't know it had a name." He writes on America. My great-aunt threw up her hands in disgust but the name stuck.

Personally, I'd have no issues changing the continents or the country to Columbia, but then Columbia would have the same problem. What's the name of the Viking guy who landed in Canada? Killer name for continents.

Yeah, I don't think I will...not for a USian.

We Americans have great ones. I've heard you CPDians have nice ones as well, but I would prefer to take a closer look.

USian will never be widely accepted and a bunch of cool kid forum posters are not going to change a damn thing.
I say USian as a purposeful way to exclude Chileans. They think they're all so special because they convinced the CIA to classify about 97% of their land as "Other." Well I'm not going to stand for it and will associate myself with them no longer.

Alright heres what it comes down to. You Euros (this goes towards those Pinko-Canadians too) can call us whatever you want..Americans, USians, Fundemantalists, Martians....whatever. However, the term American will always apply to U.S. citizens, and U.S. citizens ONLY. USian will never be widely accepted and a bunch of cool kid forum posters are not going to change a damn thing. So, in the name of free speech, say what you want...and in the name of American Democracy, your say will not change anything!;)

The truth, straight from the Americans mouth.
So, you American...what country are you from?:D

We Americans have great ones. I've heard you CPDians have nice ones as well, but I would prefer to take a closer look.
CPDians? Oh, I want to hear this one...

I say USian as a purposeful way to exclude Chileans. They think they're all so special because they convinced the CIA to classify about 97% of their land as "Other." Well I'm not going to stand for it and will associate myself with them no longer.
Just the chilenos, 'eh? Yeah, those sneaky bastards:)

:D So, you American...what country are you from?:D

Mexico...why do you ask?





JUST KIDDING:D :D

I say USian as a purposeful way to exclude Chileans. They think they're all so special because they convinced the CIA to classify about 97% of their land as "Other." Well I'm not going to stand for it and will associate myself with them no longer.

They must be terrorists.....


**Calls up CIA, tells CIA that Chile is distribution Weapons of Mass Destruction to "the terrorists" aka "them".

Bush's next speech

"I beleive we must stand and fight this axis of evil, this outpost of tyrany that taunts the free world. North Korea, Iran, Chile, Cuba, and China need to be......"

By the way, there are many "United States's" in the world. The Mexicans are the "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" (translation: United Mexican States), so why aren't THEY called USians? When we founded a nation called "the United States of America", we were the only free nation there. Everyone else considered themselves Spaniards, or Frenchmen, or Brits, etc. It seems that only AFTER they gained independence, they decided to take our name. Seeing how we named ourselves Americans first, we get first dibs.

If someone can find a decent answer (besides "USians", I want something that naturally flows off the tounge, not that blasphemy against the english language), I'll gladly use it.

Just the chilenos, 'eh? Yeah, those sneaky bastards:)
I've exceded my Canada-bashing quota for the month of November*, so you'll have to come back in about 32 hours for your dose of nationalistic masochism.
Its a good thing November only has 30 days, else I might run out completely and have to start going after really obscure targets like Luxemburg.

*I've also exceded my South African, Australian, Russian, German, French, USian, Mexican, Spanish, Brazilian, Swedish, Portugese, Dutch, and English-bashing quotas, if you want to keep score.

By the way, there are many "United States's" in the world. The Mexicans are the "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" (translation: United Mexican States), so why aren't THEY called USians? When we founded a nation called "the United States of America", we were the only free nation there. Everyone else considered themselves Spaniards, or Frenchmen, or Brits, etc. It seems that only AFTER they gained independence, they decided to take our name. Seeing how we named ourselves Americans first, we get first dibs.

If someone can find a decent answer (besides "USians", I want something that naturally flows off the tounge, not that blasphemy against the english language), I'll gladly use it.
No one is contesting the use of Mexican...because nothing else is named Mexico. Perhaps we should just change the continental names...it might be more simple. :p This being said, I think Ecuador needs a name change too...it's not like they OWN the equator!

Sorry, silliness aside...YES ASIDE, USian is what I will continue to use. And more and more people are using it too. So ha ha! (a la Nelson from the Simpsons)

And it's NOT like USian is hard to say...it has the same amount of syllables as American. youESeean Say it with me...:eek:

By the way, there are many "United States's" in the world. The Mexicans are the "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" (translation: United Mexican States), so why aren't THEY called USians? When we founded a nation called "the United States of America", we were the only free nation there. Everyone else considered themselves Spaniards, or Frenchmen, or Brits, etc. It seems that only AFTER they gained independence, they decided to take our name. Seeing how we named ourselves Americans first, we get first dibs.

If someone can find a decent answer (besides "USians", I want something that naturally flows off the tounge, not that blasphemy against the english language), I'll gladly use it.


well "embarrassment to humankind" seems too lengthy KIDDING!!!

They must be terrorists.....


**Calls up CIA, tells CIA that Chile is distribution Weapons of Mass Destruction to "the terrorists" aka "them".
I don't think that such a plan could work. For all I know, "Other" refers to minefields, radioactive wastes, or places filled with giant poison tipped spines jutting out of the ground every couple inches.

And it's NOT like USian is hard to say...it has the same amount of syllables as American. youESeean Say it with me...:eek:

Refer to previous post #323.

*Are you still dumping out all that Molson, boys?*
Time to go watch "Hockey Night in America".
.....what a pile of schytte.

well "embarrassment to humankind" seems too lengthy KIDDING!!!
:fluffle: Kidding or not...that kind of talk just makes me hot!

CPDians? Oh, I want to hear this one...
Confederation with Parliamentary Democracy. I thought we were naming the inhabitants of countries by the type of their government.

I don't think that such a plan could work. For all I know, "Other" refers to minefields, radioactive wastes, or places filled with giant poison tipped spines jutting out of the ground every couple inches.

Alright, alright, lets go with the UN routine...lets just..**with emphasis on saying this in the most pussy way possible**put sanctions on them

I mean come on, you gotta admit...."Other" seems way too damn shady to be legit.

Refer to previous post #323.


Sorry, I'm not going to change my vobulary on your say-so. USian.

And it's NOT like USian is hard to say...it has the same amount of syllables as American. youESeean Say it with me...:eek:

It doesn't have the same ring to it.

Besides, when it comes down to it, we have the nukes, and you don't. So ha. :p

Seriously though, USian doesn't have the same ring to it. It seems like a blasphemy against the English language. Is it even gramatically correct? United Statesian?

Also, you could just call us Unionists. I mean, that's what everyone did during our Civil War, so it has historical precedent. But not Yanks. You see, I'm a New Englander, and New England is the home of the Boston Red Sox. We Red Sox fans are a bit odd, and when we hear the word "Yankee", we think of great evil.

Confederation with Parliamentary Democracy. I thought we were naming the inhabitants of countries by the type of their government.
Then wouldn't USians be FRicans?

Then wouldn't USians be FRicans?
It would be just as ridiculous.

It doesn't have the same ring to it.

Besides, when it comes down to it, we have the nukes, and you don't. So ha. :p

Seriously though, USian doesn't have the same ring to it. It seems like a blasphemy against the English language. Is it even gramatically correct? United Statesian? It's grammatically correct in French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese to say United Statesian...why not in English? Besides, English is such a bastardised and evolving language anyway. Grammar is not really that important to us.

Also, you could just call us Unionists. I mean, that's what everyone did during our Civil War, so it has historical precedent. But not Yanks. You see, I'm a New Englander, and New England is the home of the Boston Red Sox. We Red Sox fans are a bit odd, and when we hear the word "Yankee", we think of great evil.
I avoid yanqui, because it's kind of an insult. As is gringo...and gringo doesn't just mean USians anyway. So, of the three, USian is really the nicest:)

I've always thought that South America got a raw deal. Until its "discovery", only nations had ever received directional adjectives as part of their names -- why a whole continent? Surely South America deserves a name of its own, otherwise why not call Europe "Western Asia" (which is kinda already in place with "Eurasia")?

"South" America was discovered around the same time as "North" America. In fact one could make the point that, since the first continental land that Columbus saw was around Venezuela or Panamá, the rest having been islands, South America was discovered first. The name of America was given to the entire thing. It wasn't until much later that cartographers realized there was only a narrow landbridge joining them. The terms "North" and "South" were added later, but most in Europe (which is larger than Britain, and includes Spain and Portugal) kept referring to it as America and its people as Americans.

That's why the cry for Mexican independence included "Viva América" or "Viva América libre".

America is a small town near Horst

GET USE TO IT!

It would be just as ridiculous.
No way! One sounds like a swear! THOSE FRICANS!

It's grammatically correct in French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese to say United Statesian...why not in English? Besides, English is such a bastardised and evolving language anyway. Grammar is not really that important to us.


I avoid yanqui, because it's kind of an insult. As is gringo...and gringo doesn't just mean USians anyway. So, of the three, USian is really the nicest:)

How NUSNPian for Canadians? (Northern United States National Park) I mean, what are you guys there for if not to give us a place to fish and smoke pot?

It's grammatically correct in French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese to say United Statesian...why not in English? Besides, English is such a bastardised and evolving language anyway. Grammar is not really that important to us.

Thats because all the languages you just listed are of LATIN origin. Where as English, while taking a couple leafs out of Latin's book, is a GERMANIC language.

No way! One sounds like a swear! THOSE FRICANS!

You don't say Fricans any more than you say us-ians (like we, us)

That's why the cry for Mexican independence included "Viva América" or "Viva América libre".
You mean they weren't just cheering the yanks on?

Estos gringos imperialistas...¡no son los únicos americanos! Son estadounidenses...¡somos TODOS americanos!

It's grammatically correct in French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese to say United Statesian...why not in English? Besides, English is such a bastardised and evolving language anyway. Grammar is not really that important to us.


I avoid yanqui, because it's kind of an insult. As is gringo...and gringo doesn't just mean USians anyway. So, of the three, USian is really the nicest:)

Oye, I live in Panama. I'm quite a gringo myself, and I know Gringo just refers to white North Americans.

Speaking of which, why don't they just call us North Americans. I mean, Canadians are called Canadians, and since everyone get's upset at us calling ourselves "Americans" (never mind we were the first people to call ourselves that), why not North Americans? After all, when the Quebecois leave Canada it's going to collapse anyway :D

I stand by Unionists.

By the way, there are many "United States's" in the world. The Mexicans are the "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" (translation: United Mexican States), so why aren't THEY called USians? When we founded a nation called "the United States of America", we were the only free nation there. Everyone else considered themselves Spaniards, or Frenchmen, or Brits, etc. It seems that only AFTER they gained independence, they decided to take our name. Seeing how we named ourselves Americans first, we get first dibs.

If someone can find a decent answer (besides "USians", I want something that naturally flows off the tounge, not that blasphemy against the english language), I'll gladly use it.

Actually... I think you'll find that, long BEFORE 'you' decided to found a nation called... well, ANYTHING, there were tens of 'free nations' already resident... who certainly did NOT consider themselves Spaniards, Frenchmen or Brits.

Thats because all the languages you just listed are of LATIN origin. Where as English, while taking a couple leafs out of Latin's book, is a GERMANIC language.
That doesn't negate the possibility of UnitedStatesian being grammatically correct, and since there is precedence in other languages for this term, and we love to borrow terms so, I'm not seeing the problem.

Actually... I think you'll find that, long BEFORE 'you' decided to found a nation called... well, ANYTHING, there were tens of 'free nations' already resident... who certainly did NOT consider themselves Spaniards, Frenchmen or Brits.

But did they call themselves Americans? No!

:fluffle: Kidding or not...that kind of talk just makes me hot!


:fluffle: oh yeah? well then, Down with the evil warmongering nation - up with orgies - viva orgies! :fluffle:

Oye, I live in Panama. I'm quite a gringo myself, and I know Gringo just refers to white North Americans. Ah, gringo can mean whitish latinos too:)

Speaking of which, why don't they just call us North Americans. I mean, Canadians are called Canadians, and since everyone get's upset at us calling ourselves "Americans" (never mind we were the first people to call ourselves that), why not North Americans? After all, when the Quebecois leave Canada it's going to collapse anyway :D

I stand by Unionists.
North America, depending on what system of continents you were taught, either contains Mexico/USA/Canada, or Mexico/USA/Canada/all the 'central American countries' and the Caribbean. It's too vague a term.

I said this before and I'll say it again.

I have no problem with the United States calling themselves "American" as long as they know that we (Canada) are bigger and on top! :p

Just think, if we were in prison you'd be our bitch..lol oh groan, that's so old.. hehe..

That doesn't negate the possibility of UnitedStatesian being grammatically correct, and since there is precedence in other languages for this term, and we love to borrow terms so, I'm not seeing the problem.

The problem was that you listend latin languages which are more or less alike each other, and then said, "Why doesnt this work with English"? Saying that doesnt make sense to me.

Everyone else considered themselves Spaniards, or Frenchmen, or Brits, etc.

Wrong. People in the continent considered themselves Americans, whether they were also Spanish or Portuguese. For legal purposes the colonial power considered them Americans and not true Spanish or Portuguese, thus unnable to have access to certain government positions amongst other things, which was one of the causes for independence in many places.

The full, and most correct, name of the country is United States of America, which is more a description than a name: collection of sovereign political entities *belonging or relative to* America. Which means that these United States are part of America, but are not necessarily America.

The troubled history of the first years of the Union explains why the USA doesn't have a catchy moniker like other countries. It was very difficult for the 13 states to agree to a form of government and a constitution, imagine if they also had to agree on a name!

:fluffle: oh yeah? well then, Down with the evil warmongering nation - up with orgies - viva orgies! :fluffle:
Hon, if you get me in the right mood, I'll call you whatever the hell you want me to!

The problem was that you listend latin languages which are more or less alike each other, and then said, "Why doesnt this work with English"? Saying that doesnt make sense to me.
I was simply trying to point out that more specific words for citizens of the US exist. Since English is a borrower language, one that often chooses NOT to create a 'new' word (Bok Choi, savoir faire, etc), we can borrow these terms and MAKE them grammatically correct. Capish?:D

Hon, if you get me in the right mood, I'll call you whatever the hell you want me to!
Even...... :eek:




myrth?

This is one of the most amusingly ridiculous arguments that I've ever seen on NS.

Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone else from the American continents would even want to be associated with the US, even just in name.

Even...... :eek:




myrth?
I'll scream it to the rafters, if that's really what you want...

I was simply trying to point out that more specific words for citizens of the US exist. Since English is a borrower language, one that often chooses NOT to create a 'new' word (Bok Choi, savoir faire, etc), we can borrow these terms and MAKE them grammatically correct. Capish?:D

I get what your saying, but when you say "we", of course you mean "you". Because I will take no part in a devil worshiping, communist loving, satanic ritual performing organisation that wishes evil on the name of my country.

And thats that.

Group of People Who Want to Rename America :sniper:

This is one of the most amusingly ridiculous arguments that I've ever seen on NS.

Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone else from the American continents would even want to be associated with the US, even just in name.
This argument comes up every few weeks. We just rehash it. Rehash isn't as good as hash, but it's fun too.

This is one of the most amusingly ridiculous arguments that I've ever seen on NS.

Frankly, I'm surprised that anyone else from the American continents would even want to be associated with the US, even just in name.

I cant beleive you escaped the Salem Witch Trails and the Mcarthy Commie hunt.....I'll of course be reporting to the authorities your EXACT location.

maybe they should just call us blokes....the United States of Blokes. USB.

Blokians...*giggle*

I forgot what this argument was about.

*goes back to doing nothing*

I'll scream it to the rafters, if that's really what you want...
It would be funny..... :D

Hey Peech!

I cant beleive you escaped the Salem Witch Trails and the Mcarthy Commie hunt.....I'll of course be reporting to the authorities your EXACT location.

Do what now?

This argument comes up every few weeks. We just rehash it. Rehash isn't as good as hash, but it's fun too.

I know. I find it assinine. People aren't going to stop calling the US "America" in the near or distant future. There's 225+ years of us calling ourselves America with too much momentum for a name change to ever stick.

It would be funny..... :D

Hey Peech!

Hey Love:fluffle: ! I mean Myrth

Hey Love:fluffle: ! I mean Myrth
Great.... now it's gonna haunt me

:fluffle:

Do what now?

Shh..I refuse to have a direct verbal transaction with some of your...uh..."kind"

** Runs and alerts the Catholic Church that Satain has risen in Human form in Sdaeriji**

I know. I find it assinine. People aren't going to stop calling the US "America" in the near or distant future. There's 225+ years of us calling ourselves America with too much momentum for a name change to ever stick.
Yeah, well, non-English speakers have been calling you USians (their versions of it) for the same amount of time...so it's not like this is a new thing. The only thing NEW about it is that it's now being translated into English and used by freaky deakys like me who like to see that vein throbbing on USians' foreheads...

to me, as long as Australia doesnt = United States of Australia, i am happy

Hon, if you get me in the right mood, I'll call you whatever the hell you want me to!


time for a new thread by our lovely Sinner - "What do you like to be called during teh s3x?"

then we can delve into the reasons why women like to call their men "Daddy" or why men like to call their women "Baby Girl"

Oh, I want you to call me "Yes! Yes! Oh my thats good! Don't stop."

Yeah, well, non-English speakers have been calling you USians (their versions of it) for the same amount of time...so it's not like this is a new thing. The only thing NEW about it is that it's now being translated into English and used by freaky deakys like me who like to see that vein throbbing on USians' foreheads...

That's fine. USian doesn't bother me, but I won't be using it any time soon. I don't see the need. I've never encountered anyone on here or in the big scary real world that's been in any way confused as to my meaning when I say "American" or "America" or anything like that.

That's fine. USian doesn't bother me, but I won't be using it any time soon. I don't see the need. I've never encountered anyone on here or in the big scary real world that's been in any way confused as to my meaning when I say "American" or "America" or anything like that.

Yes, oddly, I've managed to be understood when I said 'American' in Canada, Mexico, European countries and countries in the Caribean. Somehow even when I spoke Spanish, they managed to figure it out. Yep, I can see how saying 'American' is a big problem for everyone. Considering some of the people I said it to chose to make out with, I would guess they were not TOO offended.

This is such a stupid topic, just because it has to be addressed.
I'm not a nationalist at all. I'm patriotic, but I'm also proud just to be human when other nations do the right thing.

Regardless, America is used to describe a country, not a continent in almost every conversation when it's used worldwide.
Put it to the test. Say something like "Have you ever been to America?"

If the person assumes you're talking about Canada, then maybe I'm wrong. Somehow, I think we all can conclude what they'll assume.
There's too many geeks here who don't get enough human contact aside from virtual interaction via the web. What sticks in the real world should work here, too. :rolleyes:

Stop being such linguistic gymnists. Get laid. Do something outside of your ivory towers.

I still say Unionist.

Or, to be much more original, Fünfhundert Fünfundfünfzigers.

Stop being such linguistic gymnists. Get laid. Do something outside of your ivory towers.Some of us like to get laid IN our ivory towers.

Does it make you feel better if I just call you an estadounidense instead of USian?

This is such a stupid topic, just because it has to be addressed.
I'm not a nationalist at all. I'm patriotic, but I'm also proud just to be human when other nations do the right thing.

Regardless, America is used to describe a country, not a continent in almost every conversation when it's used worldwide.
Put it to the test. Say something like "Have you ever been to America?"

If the person assumes you're talking about Canada, then maybe I'm wrong. Somehow, I think we all can conclude what they'll assume.
There's too many geeks here who don't get enough human contact aside from virtual interaction via the web. What sticks in the real world should work here, too. :rolleyes:

Stop being such linguistic gymnists. Get laid. Do something outside of your ivory towers.

Ah..a fellow Floridian....good work bro....keep it up....Theres some real idiots on here and every once and a while we need someone to come and mop em up.;)

Some of us like to get laid IN our ivory towers.

Does it make you feel better if I just call you an estadounidense instead of USian?

I seriously doubt that would make ANYONE feel better.

time for a new thread by our lovely Sinner - "What do you like to be called during teh s3x?"

I'll do that tomorrow:)

Ah..a fellow Floridian....good work bro....keep it up....Theres some real idiots on here and every once and a while we need someone to come and mop em up.;)

Bah, Floridians suck, particularly since I had to move here from Florida for work and I'm freezing.

I seriously doubt that would make ANYONE feel better.
Well, one is a real word, used in common speech, and the other is also a real word, but not yet used in common speech. So which do you want? It's one or the other baby...

Bah, Floridians suck, particularly since I had to move here from Florida for work and I'm freezing.

Haha, I think I'm gonna go to school tomorrow in shorts and a sleeveless shirt...AND ITS MID NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, one is a real word, used in common speech, and the other is also a real word, but not yet used in common speech. So which do you want? It's one or the other baby...

Um...American...did you even have to ask?

This is such a stupid topic, just because it has to be addressed.
I'm not a nationalist at all. I'm patriotic, but I'm also proud just to be human when other nations do the right thing.

Regardless, America is used to describe a country, not a continent in almost every conversation when it's used worldwide.
Put it to the test. Say something like "Have you ever been to America?"

If the person assumes you're talking about Canada, then maybe I'm wrong. Somehow, I think we all can conclude what they'll assume.
There's too many geeks here who don't get enough human contact aside from virtual interaction via the web. What sticks in the real world should work here, too. :rolleyes:

Stop being such linguistic gymnists. Get laid. Do something outside of your ivory towers.

By the same respect, does it REALLY bother you if someone calls you a USian instead of an American? I know I personally couldn't care less. I don't see how it's a big deal either way what we're called, as long as it's clear and isn't insulting (like gringo).

Um...American...did you even have to ask?
That wasn't one of the two options I gave you. So sorry.

How about "United Statezan/United Statesan," or "United Stater"....you know like "New Yorker?" :rolleyes:

How about "United Statezan/United Statesan," or "United Stater"....you know like "New Yorker?" :rolleyes:


How about what I said earlier in the thread... "Statelites"? :D

That wasn't one of the two options I gave you. So sorry.

I dont care about the two options you gave me, because the majority of the world agrees with MY option. So sorry.

How about "United Statezan/United Statesan," or "United Stater"....you know like "New Yorker?" :rolleyes:

How about American.

We know that refering to the US as 'America' is incorrect, but we don't really care! :p

Everyone knows what you're talking about if you say 'blah, blah, blah, AMERICA, blah, blah ...'

And besides, why do Americans care what they are called? I thought most of them consider the USA to be 'the World' anyway? :rolleyes:


Being from the USA also:

I consider myself American (and correctly so!)
And... only sope people CAUGH CAUGH GEORGE BUSH think that they rule the world

I dont care about the two options you gave me, because the majority of the world agrees with MY option. So sorry.

oh you care. you care BIG TIME :p

Haha, I think I'm gonna go to school tomorrow in shorts and a sleeveless shirt...AND ITS MID NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enjoy your snowless Christmas, heathen.

I dont care about the two options you gave me, because the majority of the world agrees with MY option. So sorry.

You don't care, yet you're arguing about it and have been for several pages. It seems like you do care.

oh you care. you care BIG TIME :p

Oh no no ...trust me I dont care...I really dont...but I think you do...Oh yes you do...for sure you care.

Enjoy your snowless Christmas, heathen.

Im Jewish...so jokes on you, heretic.

P.S.

Enjoy pneumonia

Oh no no ...trust me I dont care...I really dont...but I think you do...Oh yes you do...for sure you care.

Yes I do care

I'm like Mother frickin Theresa and I do only good, you USians would do well to remember that... or else

Some of us like to get laid IN our ivory towers.

Does it make you feel better if I just call you an estadounidense instead of USian?
You're far too sexy for such ugly comments, Sin! :fluffle:

First of all,

who started this asinine U.S.-ians thing

2nd of all-

Americans- thats it!!! Nothing more!!!

By the same respect, does it REALLY bother you if someone calls you a USian instead of an American?
Thanks for asking, I left that part out (didn't think of it).
No, it doesn't bother me in the least. It just sounds cheesy.

Hey Love:fluffle: ! I mean Myrth
PEACHES!!! I've missed ya, where you been, sis? Please TG me so I can catch up.

XOXOXOXO:fluffle: XOXOXOXOXO

Im Jewish...so jokes on you, heretic.

P.S.

Enjoy pneumonia

Enjoy malaria. :D

Enjoy malaria. :D

Enjoy living where the have made gay marriage legit...HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

theres nothing worse than that...no come back will have be able to beat that one.

Thanks for asking, I left that part out (didn't think of it).
No, it doesn't bother me in the least. It just sounds cheesy.

The same here. Also, I won't start calling myself a USian until the American Government decides that it should be so.

How about what I said earlier in the thread... "Statelites"? :D
Seriously, this is so much cooler than America. :D

Enjoy living where the have made gay marriage legit...HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

theres nothing worse than that...no come back will have be able to beat that one.

Only if you consider tolerance and intelligence an insult.

Enjoy living where the have made gay marriage legit...HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

theres nothing worse than that...no come back will have be able to beat that one.
Dude, from a guy who's sucked a few cocks in his lifetime...
That was pretty douchebag. And I liked you up 'till now...
Even included a quote from you in my sig for a while.
Well, thought we'd get along here, but now that I know ya hate me because of what i do in the bedroom, not so much so. Also, if you really feel that way, drop the libertarian fashion statement. You're not even close, dude.

Damn French, snails, riots that last forever (have they actually stopped yet, or is just the media coverage that has!?),
pretty sure its over...

think they rule Europe with their strong economy
actually, Germany is much richer in terms of GDP. In fact, with their 35 hour work weeks and massive vacations, the french economy gives off a sense of impending doom...:mp5: :mp5: :mp5:

...how wrong they could be, try and take over the EU, supply arms to Iraq
And the US (and im pretty sure britain) gave Saddam VX, which he used to commit genoside and Mustard gas which he used in the Iraq-Iran war. I dont see how a few french guns compare to this...:rolleyes:

and go behind the UN oil wise (France had very lucrative oil contracts with Saddam if the UN Sanctions were ever lifted, hence their objection to the UK and US and others overthrowing him)
Everyone had dirty mony with saddam. Every heard of Oil for food? the most corrupt UN program I can think of. and Im sure the US would have jumped at the opportunity to use Iraqi oil, if one presented itself.

plus generally the French people...well, not all, but the Parisian are not so good as well as the Northerners,
And New Yorkers are rude. So are new englanders. So are londoners(sp). whats your point?

AND they let illegal immigrants into Britain
hehe...they LET them in? sure, and the mexican government LETS hispanic people into the US. ;)

Listen, im not saying they're great. But I get pissed off everytime I see a "Boycott France" bumper sticker or hear some redneck go on a tangent about how evil, rude and smelly they are. they are no better or worse than the rest of the western world. and thats all I have to say about that...

maybe they should just call us blokes....the United States of Blokes. USB.

Blokians...*giggle*

I forgot what this argument was about.

*goes back to doing nothing*

Yay! I saw Peech!

But, then she was gone again... :(

Enjoy living where the have made gay marriage legit...HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

theres nothing worse than that...no come back will have be able to beat that one.
I can't believe you're of the same religion I am. I feel pretty embarassed, actually. Have you read the TaNaKh, the Talmud, or any of the mystical literature? I doubt it.

On the actual thread topic, both sides are right. America refers to both the continents and the country (as a shorthand). Because USians is so awkward, it's just easier to refer to Americans as Americans. Language has also evolved in such a way as to make American refer to someone from the United States as American.

actually, I'm canadian and I often refer to myself as an american (resident of the americas, not a US citizen). the difference is in citizenship or nationality if you prefer.

citizens of mexico, canada, brazil, costa rica, et al, are all americans.

sometimes, people of these countries don't like to be refered to as americans when the implication is that they are from the US (as citizens), as this is usually followed by much US bashing that they don't really care about. to this, the response is always, "sorry, I'm [insert citizenship tag]".

... you call yourself American? LOL GL Buddy. No Canadian in their right mind would call themselves American, (continental or not).

I guess comprehension is not one of your strong suites.

I'm of sound mind and I do just that. I never say I'm a US citizen because that would not be true.

We are Canadian first and foremost. Our ancestors fought hard to have the country we now live in, and if you want to be American, the borders that way.

your knowledge of history is a little weak, as well.

the united provinces of canada were created in 1840. this joined the colonies of upper and lower canada into one.

canada as a dependency of the crown (the dominion of canada) did not exist prior to 1867. further, it wasn't until 1931 when canada became independent via the statute of westminster. the final separation from the UK occured in 1982 when the British North America Act (1867) was replaced by a canadian constitution (The Canada Act).

we didn't fight very hard to have the country we have. it did take us quite a bit of time, though.

P.S. Don't forget... America invaded Canada and we pushed the Yanks all the way back to their white house, where we burned it to the ground. I little point (as there are tons more) they exclude out of history class, in your so called "democracy". You are taught what they want you to know, not what you should know, and it is for this reason that the citizens of the USA will always be living in fear. If you are taught by a scholar you will become one, if you are taught by idiots, well you get the point.

I guess you weren't one of those taught by a scholar. just so you know, I'll correct your history.

the united states invaded canada once in 1812. during the revolutionary war (1776-1783), the revolutionaries attempted to "invade" canada but were pretty much sent home after a nice chat. just so that you know, much of the population of the canadas were immigrants from what would be the united states. we call these people united empire loyalists.

1812 was different. the canadas (there were two - upper and lower) as well as nova scotia and prince edward island, and newfoundland were all colonies in british north america and were targets of united states aggression.

the US army burned york (now known as toronto) in 1813. they, in fact, razed and looted the town and pillaged civilian homes. they occupied the town for only four days. this act had little military value, as the main military target was kingston.

the british colonial troops fought bravely and did much better that the US expected. the US had expected to overrun the colonial troops and that britian would not be able to intervene because her attention was consumed by napoleon in europe. this was not to be the case as the colonial troops (under brock and later procter) with the help of the huron (under tecumseh) held a numerically superior US army to a stalemate. the huron, mostly themselves, had trounced the US army of the nortwest (under harrison). in the US military, tecumseh is honoured as noble and dangerous enemy. he is often forgotten in canada. the hurons were promised michigan should the US be defeated.

but, as I mentioned, it was a draw.

by 1814, british regulars and sea power became more available (napoleon had been defeated at waterloo). these forces blockaded and conducted raids on the US seaboard. after defeating the maryland militia, they occupied washington and burned the white house - mostly in retaliation to the burning of york, earlier. the destruction of the non-public buildings was done by the residents of washington themselves in a looting frenzy. they also occupied a portion of the district of maine. the british attempted the same at baltimore but were repusled at fort mchenry. incidentally, this incident was the inspiration for the peom which became the US national anthem. the british were also repulsed at new orleans.

the end result was that britain and the united states agreed to be friends and this has continued to the present. by extension, canada and the US agreed to be friends.

Of course Americans = People from the US, and America = the US. If it were not so, the "patriotic" half of the US would be including the filthy and inferiour South Americans when they talk about how much better they are than unamericans as a race, and asserting that both South America AND the US are better than anywhere else in the world to live. Of course, that would be preposterous, as very few of these people would have even being to South America. Neither have they being to Europe, but they are still justified in saying Europeans are sub humans and talking about how bad a place it is - they know this as it's apparently socialist, and socialism = wrong.