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There is no such thing as a "USAian," or a "USian." That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill. The US of A has been called "America" since time immemorial and will continue to be called "America" as long as it exists.

Get use to it.

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.

USAian...what the hell...?

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.
*plays a violen (sp)*

*throws it away and plays the guitar*

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.
No, it's a shorthand term used to designate the United States of America.

USAian...what the hell...?
Exactly.

as far as my limited knowledge reaches, there is no such thing as "get use to it".

apart from that, iRefer everyone to the "fluctuation and changes in language and its uses", chapter X in any good book on languages.

and where the hell is fass when we need him most?

as far as my limited knowledge reaches, there is no such thing as "get use to it".

apart from that, iRefer everyone to the "fluctuation and changes in language and its uses", chapter X in any good book on languages.

and where the hell is fass when we need him most?
He's visiting Amsterdam, I think.

Anyway, get use to it. :D

maybe we should just nuke all the other "american" countries so we can finally finish this debate!

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.

We know that refering to the US as 'America' is incorrect, but we don't really care! :p

Everyone knows what you're talking about if you say 'blah, blah, blah, AMERICA, blah, blah ...'

And besides, why do Americans care what they are called? I thought most of them consider the USA to be 'the World' anyway? :rolleyes:

maybe we should just nuke all the other "american" countries so we can finally finish this debate!
There is no debate. The term "America" refers to the United States of America and that's the end of it.

We know that refering to the US as 'America' is incorrect, but we don't really care! :p

Everyone knows what you're talking about if you say 'blah, blah, blah, AMERICA, blah, blah ...'

And besides, why do Americans care what they are called? I thought most of them consider the USA to be 'the World' anyway? :rolleyes:
Yes, that's a common misconception when one doesn't have any clue how the world actually works and lets others tell him how the world works.

There is no debate. The term "America" refers to the United States of America and that's the end of it.

idk nuke em anyway

... why do Americans care what they are called? I thought most of them consider the USA to be 'the World' anyway? :rolleyes:
It may as well be. We have all the nationalities and "races" and religions. The primary difference is that we get along a lot better than the world at large does. :D

There is no debate. The term "America" refers to the United States of America and that's the end of it.

Even the most popular American dictionary disagrees with you:

Main Entry: Amer·i·ca
Pronunciation: &-'mer-&-k&
Usage: geographical name
1 either continent (N. America or S. America) of the western hemisphere
2 or the Amer·i·cas /-k&z/ the lands of the western hemisphere including N., Central, & S. America & the W. Indies
3 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

(from Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/america))

Its fine to refer to US citizens as "americans," but it's bad english to use "America" when "The United States" or "The US" is meant.

Well, if we're USians, then Germans are Federal Republicans...after all, that's the name of the political entity, just like United States is the name of the political entitiy, not the country.

That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill.

You have just dropped in my estime.

The term "USian" is widely used, and I shall continue to use it. When there is a lack in the language, a new term appears to fill it in. Language evolution. The term "American" is ambiguous and misleading.


Get use to it.

There is no such thing as "Get use to it". That is a fiction created by idiots who wish the English language ill. The correct term has been "Get used to it" since time immemorial and will continue to be "Get used to it" as long as English is still spoken.

:D

Well, if we're USians, then Germans are Federal Republicans...after all, that's the name of the political entity, just like United States is the name of the political entitiy, not the country.

Actually, that's what Western Germans were called by Eastern Germans before the reunification, so, sure, go ahead, why not?

face it people: US-ian IS JUST PLAIN STUPID :sniper:

We know that refering to the US as 'America' is incorrect, but we don't really care! :p

Everyone knows what you're talking about if you say 'blah, blah, blah, AMERICA, blah, blah ...'

And besides, why do Americans care what they are called? I thought most of them consider the USA to be 'the World' anyway? :rolleyes:
its not incorrect.

the citizens of the united states of america are called americans just as the citizens of the united states of mexico are called mexicans.

besides, we got dibs on the name. if someone in the rest of the americas wanted to be called americans they should have founded their country before we did and then THEY would have had dibs.

Actually, that's what Western Germans were called by Eastern Germans before the reunification, so, sure, go ahead, why not?

Propaganda time...anyone who uses USians instead of Americans is a supporter of East Germany and by extension the USSR! Communist subversives...

Doesn't it depend where you are? I know that inside of the US, the proper way to refer to the country is "America", with its citizens being "Americans". Other countries have other conventions for naming the US and its citizens... the correct one depends on which language and which dialect you're speaking, does it not?

I don't get it...is Eutrusca just some Right Wing nut who thinks the USA is the world?:confused:

Propaganda time...anyone who uses USians instead of Americans is a supporter of East Germany and by extension the USSR! Communist subversives...

Wow... I'm not even going to try to follow THAT logic... :eek:

Wow... I'm not even going to try to follow THAT logic... :eek:

No time for logic, it's the Cold War. Do you want to be speaking Russian 10 years from now!?

There is no such thing as "Get use to it". That is a fiction created by idiots who wish the English language ill. The correct term has been "Get used to it" since time immemorial and will continue to be "Get used to it" as long as English is still spoken.

:D
PWNAGE! :p

Et Aridd, où étais-tu? (Etiez-vous? Nah, I like the informal better here. I'm anyway a bit higher on the General Forum aristocracy by now. ;)) J'ai pas te vu par longtemps!

Back to the topic...I disagree. You can call the residents of the United States of America 'Americans' if you choose, but I think calling the USA 'America' doesn't make too much sense. You can either rename the USA (the United States of Columbia, maybe? I like "The Democratic Republic of Karma Zombie Freaks"... but that's really up to the panel) or the two continents around here... and which one do you think will be easier? :p

I don't get it...is Eutrusca just some Right Wing nut who thinks the USA is the world?:confused:

oh, you forgot to throw in the random veteran fact.


[way to go having personal stereotyping insulting posts among your first ten ones :rolleyes: ]

p.s. oh fuck, did i just do anything similar to defending eut?!

I've never even heard of the term USAian or anything like it.

I don't get it...is Eutrusca just some Right Wing nut who thinks the USA is the world?:confused:
Shhh! Don't expose state secrets!

Eut is being patriotic, and how dare you suggest that the USA is not the world? *men in black suits drag Schlaackism away thanks to my tip-off to the CIA*

Propaganda time...anyone who uses USians instead of Americans is a supporter of East Germany and by extension the USSR! Communist subversives...

Da Comrade!

I personally think anyone that calls "Americans" USaians or any other form is being a clown. It shows what they think of America right up front. Easier to deal with them if you know this fact. Other than this board though I have never heard or actually been apart of any conversation with that term in it. If I was I would probably start laughing and walk away.

Please. People from the US calling themselves Americans is just dumb. That just makes people assume that they really believe that they're the only country in this big, three piece contintent called America. And the first independent state in all of the continent was the Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia. Look it up - if anyone deserves to be called Americans it's the Mapuches.

America is a term used for the United States Of America, We get to be called Americans becouse we were the first independant nation, of people who spoke european languages, on the American continents (shouldn't they be the columbian continents anyway he found them first). You don't call China: The Peoples Republicans do you... well I don't so if you do your wrong. Just because i said so...It is an abriviation for the United States of America. USians and USAians is just plain stupid thats harder to say than People from The United States of America. I'm Proud to be an American not some retarded Soviet excuse for a name.

the United States of Columbia

So we'd be Columbians. I wonder what Colombia would say.

Please. People from the US calling themselves Americans is just dumb. That just makes people assume that they really believe that they're the only country in this big, three piece contintent called America. And the first independent state in all of the continent was the Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia. Look it up - if anyone deserves to be called Americans it's the Mapuches.


Psst... Its only two pieces. Don't confuse Central America as being on its own. It is part of the North American continent. Hehe I love obscure refferences to Native American tribes. Lets make a poll on who knows who the Mapuches are.

Even the most popular American dictionary disagrees with you:

Main Entry: Amer·i·ca
Pronunciation: &-'mer-&-k&
Usage: geographical name

3 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

(from Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/america))
Say what? Looks like it agrees with me. :p

Please. People from the US calling themselves Americans is just dumb. That just makes people assume that they really believe that they're the only country in this big, three piece contintent called America. And the first independent state in all of the continent was the Kingdom of Araucania and Patagonia. Look it up - if anyone deserves to be called Americans it's the Mapuches.
If someone assumes that, because we call ourselves Americans, we think we're the only people who live in North and South America, I don't think that we're the dumb ones :)

Its fine to refer to US citizens as "americans," but it's bad english to use "America" when "The United States" or "The US" is meant.

This is correct. Everyone else pay attention to how smart New Granada is.

So we'd be Columbians. I wonder what Colombia would say.
I say welcome to the club and enjoy the free cocaine! It's the national dish. ;)

So we'd be Columbians. I wonder what Colombia would say.

Although Columbus discovered the Carribean. So we should rename the Carribean. It was an English paid Italian that discovered N America (1497)after a few Nordic fisherman did years before him in. I believe it was John Cabot(English name). The continent wasn't named for Amerigo like some think. But from an English harbor master I believe named Americ.

its not incorrect.

the citizens of the united states of america are called americans just as the citizens of the united states of mexico are called mexicans.

besides, we got dibs on the name. if someone in the rest of the americas wanted to be called americans they should have founded their country before we did and then THEY would have had dibs.
Hehehe! SIC em, legs! :D

Wow. Yet another ultranationalistic jingoistic masturbation post courtesy of Forrest and Co. Then again the original post is from someone who thinks a grieving mother is bigger threat to the country than the biggest intelligence scam since the Bay of Pigs.

:rolleyes:

Et Aridd, où étais-tu? (Etiez-vous? Nah, I like the informal better here. I'm anyway a bit higher on the General Forum aristocracy by now. ;)) J'ai pas te vu par longtemps!


Je n'ai pas été sur le forum aussi souvent que d'habitude ces temps-ci... mais je n'étais pas absent. ;)

Also, I didn't realize that "time immemorial" started in 1776.

PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE! We'll settle this once and for all!

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=American&word2=USian

Google fight has once again solved a baffling question.

In other news...

http://www.google.com/search?q=American&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official


GOOGLE SAYS NOTHING ABOUT ANYONE FROM THE AMERICAS! (Or Americans for that matter...:confused:)

I personally think anyone that calls "Americans" USaians or any other form is being a clown. It shows what they think of America right up front. Easier to deal with them if you know this fact. Other than this board though I have never heard or actually been apart of any conversation with that term in it. If I was I would probably start laughing and walk away.
Probably best alternative. :D

I don't get it...is Eutrusca just some Right Wing nut who thinks the USA is the world?:confused:Some of US think that the USA pwns the World...some others think USA is the World...and when they win a local league tournament (Baseball, Football, Basketball)...they call themselves World Champions :D
just as the citizens of the united states of mexico are called mexicans.

Now they think that the other countries are called United States too :D :D :D
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Try "Republica de Mexico"

So we'd be Columbians. I wonder what Colombia would say.
Like I said, that's just a suggestion. I'd prefer to call it after a NS nation (assuming permission).... preferably one people can spell, like Myrth, The South Islands, or Sirocco...

Or, I have an idea, why not rename it after its largest corporation? That's sure to work. People can remember it better. :p

after a few Nordic fisherman did years before him in

Leif Ericson, I believe, around the tenth or eleventh century, no? And, of course, he was only the first European to discover America. Asians had got there a long while earlier.

Edit: Ericson reached America (by which, of course, I mean that big mass of land west of the Atlantic) circa the year 1000, apparently.

This is correct. Everyone else pay attention to how smart New Granada is.
Riiiight. Good thing you pointed that out to me, otherwise I never would have noticed. :rolleyes:

Je n'aime pas parler le francais en l'informatique

Now they think that the other countries are called United States too :D :D :D
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Try "Republica de Mexico"

Wow, I'd hate to make you look like a total fool, but it's just so easy.

Try Estados Unidos Mexicanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico)

Here's the bottom line. When people use the term USian, they are doing it for one of two reasons.

Either it pisses them off that we call ourselves Americans when Canada or Brazil or Colombia doesn't and they live on a continent with America in the name. It doesn't matter why we call ourselves Americans, just that they don't like it. The other reason is that they know it pisses some of us off, and they get their jollies by coming up with ways to piss off Americans without Mod intervention.

The first reason just shows a lack of respect for our right to call ourselves what we want, and a lack of respect for our history, which has labeled us American for centuries.

The second reason is like calling an like calling a black person a ******. It isn't the definition per say, since the definition of ****** is "a derogatory term for a black person" which technically does mean a black person. It is derogatory, not because of the definition, but simply because it is meant to be derogatory.

All it does it show a lack of respect for America, and in my opinion, it points out to me the people whose opinions I really shouldn't give two shits about.

And NO, I'm not claiming that USian is as offensive as the word ******.And no, I'm not claiming it is OK to call anyone ny that term. I'm simply making the comparison, albeit on entirely separate levels of severity.

Riiiight. Good thing you pointed that out to me, otherwise I never would have noticed. :rolleyes:

Glad I could have helped. Do you disagree with what he said in some way?

YOU DAMN YANKEES! US SOUTHERNERS ARE AMERICANS TOO!

Hmph....stupid Yankee's, always pissing everyone else off.... (j/k)

Na, I'm a Southerner, and I'm staying out of this.

whats wrong with being a Yankee all the other countries consider you Confederate sore losers Yanks too!

Wow. Yet another ultranationalistic jingoistic masturbation post courtesy of Forrest and Co. Then again the original post is from someone who thinks a grieving mother is bigger threat to the country than the biggest intelligence scam since the Bay of Pigs.

:rolleyes:
Ah! Where would we be without our daily ration of verbal diarreha from the nation of ethically challenged grovellers? :D

Wow, I'd hate to make you look like a total fool, but it's just so easy.

Try Estados Unidos Mexicanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico)a fool...really?

Try the offical Web site from the Mexican Gov.

http://www.sip.gob.mx/sitios.php

Derechos Reservados (c) 2005 Presidencia de la República de Mexico

Here's the bottom line. When people use the term USian, they are doing it for one of two reasons.

Either it pisses them off that we call ourselves Americans when Canada or Brazil or Colombia doesn't and they live on a continent with America in the name. It doesn't matter why we call ourselves Americans, just that they don't like it. The other reason is that they know it pisses some of us off, and they get their jollies by coming up with ways to piss off Americans without Mod intervention.

The first reason just shows a lack of respect for our right to call ourselves what we want, and a lack of respect for our history, which has labeled us American for centuries.

The second reason is like calling an like calling a black person a ******. It isn't the definition per say, since the definition of ****** is "a derogatory term for a black person" which technically does mean a black person. It is derogatory, not because of the definition, but simply because it is meant to be derogatory.

All it does it show a lack of respect for America, and in my opinion, it points out to me the people whose opinions I really shouldn't give two shits about.

And NO, I'm not claiming that USian is as offensive as the word ******.And no, I'm not claiming it is OK to call anyone ny that term. I'm simply making the comparison, albeit on entirely separate levels of severity.
Excellent exposition. Salude! :)

Wow, I'd hate to make you look like a total fool, but it's just so easy.

Try Estados Unidos Mexicanos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico)


Damn you Sdaeriji I was going to post that! Hehe good job...

Je n'ai pas été sur le forum aussi souvent que d'habitude ces temps-ci... mais je n'étais pas absent. ;)
Oui, et j'ai été ici plus souvent d'habitude... je sais qu'on peut jamais quitter ces forums! :D

Excellent exposition. Salude! :)
I'm waiting for someone to completely freak out because I used the dreaded "N" word, even though at the bottom of the post I clearly stated my intentions.

You watch, it will come. Someone won't be able to help themselves. I'll bet the post contains flames, direct hostilities, AND the term USian in it too! ;)


BTW- My spell check keeps trying to change USian to Asian. Just a side note! :D

No time for logic, it's the Cold War. Do you want to be speaking Russian 10 years from now!?
Da, Towarisch Vetalia - I only wish it wouldn't take me as long to learn that language, but okay.

(...)

p.s. oh fuck, did i just do anything similar to defending eut?!
Yes. And I saw you doing it, too!

BTW, Eutrusca, when Germans speak of "Amerika" they usually mean the US.

(Come to think of it, the term USofA is even weirder than USian).

Although Columbus discovered the Carribean. So we should rename the Carribean. It was an English paid Italian that discovered N America (1497)after a few Nordic fisherman did years before him in. I believe it was John Cabot(English name). The continent wasn't named for Amerigo like some think. But from an English harbor master I believe named Americ.
That is not entirely correct. The first maps that had anything close to "America" written on'em made a reference to the Italian Amerigo Vespucci who sailed to the New World a couple of times, leading expeditions to South America's coastline.

Let me have a go at this debate.

America = The continent of North and South America, and the Carribean Islands
United States of America = A large country consisting of 52 united states, in the continent of America
Americans = The people living in the U.S.A

You see, people in places like Colombia refer to their continent as "America".
and I think the dude who started this is a right wing George Bush loving gun nut who hates non-Americans and therefore we can't actually win this arguement against him because he'll say something "mamahhaga ur a deluded marxist gargagg". (Eutrusca)

Marxists rule you nazi fool... lol:mp5:

The continent wasn't named for Amerigo like some think. But from an English harbor master I believe named Americ.


Who told you that?

a fool...really?

Try the offical Web site from the Mexican Gov.

http://www.sip.gob.mx/sitios.php

Derechos Reservados (c) 2005 Presidencia de la República de Mexico

Hmm. I guess the CIA and the UN have it wrong then. My apologies.

No, wait, they don't...

From your very own website. Notice el nombre official. (http://www.presidencia.gob.mx/mexico/)

Ah! Where would we be without our daily ration of verbal diarreha from the nation of ethically challenged grovellers? :D

Fox News would be suffering from a staffing shortage for one.

And that's d-i-a-r-r-h-e-a Forrest, and you talking about verbal diarrhea is like Ted Kennedy telling kids "Hey, don't drink and drive!" Almost as disingenuous as the Grins you try to mask your potshots with. Admit it, you kiss Bush's ass and you like it.

Let me have a go at this debate.

America = The continent of North and South America, and the Carribean Islands
United States of America = A large country consisting of 52 united states, in the continent of America
Americans = The people living in the U.S.A

You see, people in places like Colombia refer to their continent as "America".
and I think the dude who started this is a right wing George Bush loving gun nut who hates non-Americans and therefore we can't actually win this arguement against him because he'll say something "mamahhaga ur a deluded marxist gargagg". (Eutrusca)

Marxists rule you nazi fool... lol:mp5:
*points and laughs at the stupidity in bold*

whats wrong with being a Yankee all the other countries consider you Confederate sore losers Yanks too!

Dude, I am a Southerner who just made a JOKE towards my fellow Americans whom LIVE up North. Ok? I sure as HELL ain't going to cause the next civil war. XD

One assumes sir is extracting the urine with one's first post.

*points and laughs at the stupidity in bold*
That's including the American colonies of Puerto Rico and Iraq.

He(?) should have made it 53, and throw in Afghanistan as well. :rolleyes:

That is not entirely correct. The first maps that had anything close to "America" written on'em made a reference to the Italian Amerigo Vespucci who sailed to the New World a couple of times, leading expeditions to South America's coastline.

I understand that you are reffering to this map.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0619_030619_americamap.html

But what I am talking about is this.

Equally as amazing as the Amerrique theory, the little-known theory that "America" derives from the name of an Englishman, Richard Ameryk, emerged early in the 20th century. It constitutes an incredible Anglicization of the New World — and would, for obvious reasons, infuriate Carew. The theory was developed by Alfred E. Hudd, a member of the Clifton Antiquarian Club, which in 1910 published his work in its proceedings; the paper, "Richard Ameryk and the Name America," had been read to the group two years before. Hudd opens with a reference to Bristol's 1897 celebration of the 400th anniversary of the discovery of North America by John Cabot (Giovanni Caboto), the Italian navigator and explorer who had sailed for England, laying the groundwork for the later British claim to Canada. For his achievement Cabot received a handsome pension conferred upon him by the King, from the hands of the Collectors of Customs of the Port of Bristol. One of these officials, the senior of the two, who was probably the person who handed over the money to the explorer, was named Richard Ameryk (also written Ap Meryke on one deed, and elsewhere written Amerycke) who seems to have been a leading citizen of Bristol at the time. Hudd claims that the name given to the newly found land by the discoverer was "Amerika," in honor of the official from whom he received his pension

From link:
http://www.uhmc.sunysb.edu/surgery/america.html

However I got some facts of the story a bit wrong. It has been a long time since I studied this. But anyway it is disputed by a few individuals.

Fox News would be suffering from a staffing shortage for one.

And that's d-i-a-r-r-h-e-a Forrest, and you talking about verbal diarrhea is like Ted Kennedy telling kids "Hey, don't drink and drive!" Almost as disingenuous as the Grins you try to mask your potshots with. Admit it, you kiss Bush's ass and you like it.
I love you too, Gauthier! :fluffle:

Hmm. I guess the CIA and the UN have it wrong then. My apologies.

No, wait, they don't...

From your very own website. Notice el nombre official. (http://www.presidencia.gob.mx/mexico/)I been in Mexico and they call it Republica de Mexico...they do not use the old name anymore.

But If you want you call them USMians if you want I do
not give a damn...You can call them "French surrender monkeys" if you want...I do not care...

What I know is that Mexican should not appropriate themselves the name of the whole continent...and if they do thay should not try on top of that to proven others from using the name.

Its like Germany calling themselves Europe...and making a fuss when someone else uses the name

*points and laughs at the stupidity in bold*

*points and laughs at the fact that u failed to see that the country is U.S.A, and the CONTINENT is America...

Do you by any chance have a shaved head? Or a swastika tatoo? Or hate jews? or muslims?

I been in Mexico and they call it Republica de Mexico...they do not use the old name anymore.

But If you want you call them USMians if you want I do
not give a damn...You can call them "French surrender monkeys" if you want...I do not care...

What I know is that Mexican should not appropriate themselves the name of the whole continent.

Its like Germany calling themselves Europe.

Don't get indignant because you were proven wrong.

It's wrong to say "the americas werent named after amerigo vespucci" on the basis of some poorly-regarded speculation.

*points and laughs at the fact that u failed to see that the country is U.S.A, and the CONTINENT is America...

Do you by any chance have a shaved head? Or a swastika tatoo? Or hate jews? or muslims?

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the USA only has 50 states?

There is no such thing as a "USAian," or a "USian." That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill. The US of A has been called "America" since time immemorial and will continue to be called "America" as long as it exists.

Get use to it.

in Spanish, a member of the USA is called "Estado unidense" not "Americano" since that would imply a person from either American continent.

*points and laughs at the fact that u failed to see that the country is U.S.A, and the CONTINENT is America...

Do you by any chance have a shaved head? Or a swastika tatoo? Or hate jews? or muslims?
Three posts, three flames. That has to be some sort of new record, even for NS! :D

Here's the bottom line. (...)
The first reason just shows a lack of respect for our right to call ourselves what we want, and a lack of respect for our history, which has labeled us American for centuries.
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All it does it show a lack of respect for America, and in my opinion, it points out to me the people whose opinions I really shouldn't give two shits about.
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And we hit rock bottom:
I hereby claim the right to call you guys whatever the hell I want, be that 'respected 'American or non-respected "USian".
And you might wanna place me into the 2nd catagory 'cause I've completely lost all the respect I ever had for the U.S. (didn't wanna say "America") over the last decade.

I understand that you are reffering to this map.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0619_030619_americamap.html

But what I am talking about is this.

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Yup, that's the one.

Okay, glad to be enlightened - that story was completely new to me.

As for the numbers of states, there are 50, but there are at least two bigger protectorates (Puerto Rico & U.S. Virgin Islands) - so, counting to 52 isn't that stupid after all.

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the USA only has 50 states?

...it ...doesn't...

50... 52... I'm British, win by willpower no numbers fool.
The point I'm getting across is the U.S.A should not be called "America" because that is the name of a continent that they are in.
So stop going off topic trying to defeat me.

Fox News would be suffering from a staffing shortage for one.

And that's d-i-a-r-r-h-e-a Forrest, and you talking about verbal diarrhea is like Ted Kennedy telling kids "Hey, don't drink and drive!" Almost as disingenuous as the Grins you try to mask your potshots with. Admit it, you kiss Bush's ass and you like it.

YES! lol too true man :fluffle:

Three posts, three flames. That has to be some sort of new record, even for NS! :D
Ever heard of Commando8? He got in 9 posts before being DEATed (8th incarnation).

And Alansyism....perma-banned after 20 posts...

Believe me, we've seen a lot around here. A record would be if all three posts were goatse/tubgirl/lemonparty/random pr0n... most people didn't reach that until at least 50 or 60... :p

Its like Germany calling themselves Europe...and making a fuss when someone else uses the name
The other way around didn't work out too well either... ;)

Ever heard of Commando8? He got in 9 posts before being DEATed (8th incarnation).

And Alansyism....perma-banned after 20 posts...

Believe me, we've seen a lot around here. A record would be if all three posts were goatse/tubgirl/lemonparty/random pr0n... most people didn't reach that until at least 50 or 60... :p
ROFLMAO! True, true. I'm trying really hard to restrain my usual rather heavy-handed sarcasm so I don't get myself deated. There are times I have to just walk away and take my dog for a walk, or beat my head against the doorjam or something. Heh!

Three posts, three flames. That has to be some sort of new record, even for NS! :D

Nazism is a political belief, so calling one a nazi does not have the same flame-caliber as calling one a faggot, faggot. :p

(I LOVE these forums... lol)

ROFLMAO! True, true. I'm trying really hard to restrain my usual rather heavy-handed sarcasm so I don't get myself deated. There are times I have to just walk away and take my dog for a walk, or beat my head against the doorjam or something. Heh!
I tend to break things... I've not been banned yet and would like to keep it that way, but we've run out of glass objects, so don't be surprised if I'm banned sometime soon... :p

Nazism is a political belief, so calling one a nazi does not have the same flame-caliber as calling one a faggot, faggot. :p

(I LOVE these forums... lol)
Heh! Well, the mods here can be a bit ... unforgiving. Just a word to the would-be-wise. :D

I tend to break things... I've not been banned yet and would like to keep it that way, but we've run out of glass objects, so don't be surprised if I'm banned sometime soon... :p
Just as long as it's not my ancient noggin you break, I don't care what you toss! Heh!

But don't get yourself banned. I wouldn't like that one bit. You're funny. :D

What I know is that Mexican should not appropriate themselves the name of the whole continent...and if they do...they should not try on top of that to prevent others from using the name.

Its like Germany calling themselves Europe...and making a fuss when someone else uses the nameWhat I am trying to say...is...

I am a US citizen...I know America is the proper name of the Continent...I do realize that.

However...right or wrong I will still call myself American. and I du usually call my countrymen Americans...why?..because the more accurate terms are ugly as shit.

But...I will not argue if someone else call me USaian ...or when someone else says America is the whole continent...because its not a big deal.

Patriots like Eutrusca making a big fuss of it...starting debates about it...are not helping the image of "Americans" AKA people of the USA.

from now on I will use the term Amerikanz(US)...To differentiate from Americans(people living in America the Continent)

I refuse to use the term USaian...you can use it...Its your right...and is my right to use something else.

And we hit rock bottom:
I hereby claim the right to call you guys whatever the hell I want, be that 'respected 'American or non-respected "USian".
And you might wanna place me into the 2nd catagory 'cause I've completely lost all the respect I ever had for the U.S. (didn't wanna say "America") over the last decade.

Anyobody wanna touch my pet troll? :D

I tend to break things... I've not been banned yet and would like to keep it that way, but we've run out of glass objects, so don't be surprised if I'm banned sometime soon... :p
Just don't break that one in front of you... http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/pcangry.gif

Thank you OceanDrive2.

What I am trying to say...is...

I am a US citizen...I know America is the proper name of the Continent...I do realize that.

However...right or wrong I will still call myself American. and I will keep calling my countrymen Americans...why?..because the more accurate terms are ugly as shit.

Oh yeah, your a GREAT representation of our country. :rolleyes:
( I wish there was a bigger eyeroll smiley)

Anyobdy wanna touch my pet troll? :D
:rolleyes: That would only mean you've been touching yourself the whole time.

:rolleyes: That would only mean you've been touching yourself the whole time.
You sir, are funny! :D
*rolls on the floor laughing at the best joke ever!*

Oh yeah, your a GREAT representation of our country. :rolleyes:
( I wish there was a bigger eyeroll smiley)

You don't even deserve to represent the U.S.A.

More accepting and less deluded American people like OceanDrive2 please.

Yes I will call him American, but he does live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in the CONTINENT OF AMERICA.

Help! lol

:rolleyes: That would only mean you've been touching yourself the whole time.
ROFLMFAO!!!! Ewwwww! Nassy! :D

You don't even deserve to represent the U.S.A.

Sense that makes not, grasshopper...

*Mr. Myagi Tribute*

You don't even deserve to represent the U.S.A.
Your wise observations humble, oh great one.

I wonder what the people of Britain think of you?

Your wise observations humble, oh great one.

I wonder what the people of Britain think of you?

The people of Britain don't know me yet ;)
Our country is sadly going downhill at the moment, and I fear it may end up a far-right society.
And there's a lot of anti-U.S.A vibe going around because of maniacs such as ummmm.... you. I have nothing against good Americans, or good people in general, but you sir, nah.

The people of Britain don't know me yet ;)
Our country is sadly going downhill at the moment, and I fear it may end up a far-right society.

Just like the US, eh?

Just like the US, eh?
Huh! As if.

Just like the US, eh?
yes, teh blair bums teh bush and we all hate it.:mad:

ROFLMFAO!!!! Ewwwww! Nassy! :D
Always trying to please a fellow North Carolinian http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/rekrut.gif

(...)
*Mr. Myagi Tribute*
Shares moment of silence.

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I wonder what the people of Britain think of you?
They wish they had kept the colonies so they could send him to North America? Just guessing, though...

Huh! As if.
*feels sorry for the deluded fool*

Huh! As if.

Shhh... I'm doing Strategery.

Gee! 7 pages full of people who want to correct a senior citizen who doesn't know what to call his home country anymore...

yes, teh blair bums teh bush and we all hate it.:mad:

*falls off chair in fit of hysterical laughter*

Gee! 7 pages full of people who want to correct a senior citizen who doesn't know what to call his home country anymore...
7 pages of people telling someone the difference (name-wise) between a country and the continent it's in.

Well you can go ahead and call yourselves America cos you stopped political freedom in the south continent so yeah, the USA controls America so why not.
What kind of a fucked up world is this...

Maybe the one who started this should "get use to" how in foreign countries things sound slightly different.

Ok...America from a geographical view point (sorry i am reading this subject!) encompasses the whole of the American Continent, so North, Central and South America.

However, it is widely accepted in society that if America is mentioned it is short hand for United States of America. I mean can you imagine it "Hey i am going to the United States of America next week for a meeting" Guy replies "ahh right cool, so how what flight are you getting to the United States of America" it just gets ridiculous, so America is used in short.

Its the same with Americans, because it is socially accepted that America is USA, then it therefore became accepted than American was a citizen in the USA. I mean, USAian just sounds stupid!

So, stop arguing, although you are all technically correct if you say America is the continent, its being very pernickity and the majority that put forward this argument know you call the United States of America, America.

Of course there are other names for the United States of America:

USA, United States, America, Yanks...:D

I still think we have the best country name tho...

"United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Islands and Colonies"

Wow...thats a country name! lol!!!

Graham RV

7 pages of people telling someone the difference (name-wise) between a country and the continent it's in.

Well you can go ahead and call yourselves America cos you stopped political freedom in the south continent so yeah, you have control.
What kind of a fucked up world is this...
Ummm... apparently I have your permission to call meself America... WHEEE!

Ummm... apparently I have your permission to call meself America... WHEEE!
The 2nd paragraph is not in response to what you said.

The 2nd paragraph is not in response to what you said.
Like I care! I am America, I do as I please!

There is no such thing as a "USAian," or a "USian." That is a fiction created by idiots who wish us ill. The US of A has been called "America" since time immemorial and will continue to be called "America" as long as it exists.
Get use to it.
And on a similar note, there is no such thing as a 'libertarian socialist' or 'libertarian syndicast.' The anarchists and socialists surrendered their names to us when they stole 'liberal' from us.

Gee! 7 pages full of people who want to correct a senior citizen who doesn't know what to call his home country anymore...
Comere, young phoole! I'll show ya "senior citizen!" :D

People from the United States call themselves "Americans." Do you think people not from america want to be called "American"? I'm willing to guess not. If so, why do we have Chilieans, Brazillians, Colombians, and Mexicans. Well some Mexicans may be another subject entirely but you get the point. Most of these people identify with their unique piece of geography and probably care little for any claim to a continental heritage.

Yeah ok.

I just object to the fact that someone thinks that everyone should call the USA "America", and claiming those who don't are disrespectful.

So I got into a bit of a rant about it.
And it was my first few posts on this forum so wahey!

I think Americans have every right to call their country what they like, but shouldn't try to influence others what to call it, which is what Eutrusca was trying.

Comere, young phoole! I'll show ya "senior citizen!" :D
Ere, have a some dough.

Ere, have a some dough.
You makin' biscuits 'r sumfin??? :confused:

Comere, young phoole! I'll show ya "senior citizen!" :D
Hehe, Eut, you're nothing next to my >6 quintillion aeons. :p

Bah, is it that big a deal what citizens of the USA call themselves?


Yah bunch of grammar nazis http://www.mahjqa.com/stuff/grammarnazi.gif :D

Get use to it.
*sticks out tongue at the curmudgeonly old USian*

This of course is why Canadians absolutely refuse to be called Americans, even if we happen to share a continent called North America.

*places thumbs in both ears and proceeds to waggle all remaining fingers while facing southward*

And on a similar note, there is no such thing as a 'libertarian socialist' or 'libertarian syndicast.' The anarchists and socialists surrendered their names to us when they stole 'liberal' from us.

When have anarchists called themselves liberals?

However, it is widely accepted in society that if America is mentioned it is short hand for United States of America. I mean can you imagine it "Hey i am going to the United States of America next week for a meeting" Guy replies "ahh right cool, so how what flight are you getting to the United States of America" it just gets ridiculous, so America is used in short.

Its the same with Americans, because it is socially accepted that America is USA, then it therefore became accepted than American was a citizen in the USA. I mean, USAian just sounds stupid!

...USA, United States, America, Yanks...:D

In my experience, people from the United States of America frequently refer to themselves as being from the "U.S.". They'll call themselves Americans, but if you ask where they're from, usually they're from the U.S. On the other hand, Europeans frequently will say they're from "America" or from "The States".

I don't think I've ever heard an American say they were from America or the States, and I don't think I've ever heard a european say the person was from The U.S.

As to USian, it's about on par with all the other stupid stuff people make up when they feel like mutating the English language to suit their fancy, even though it's completely ridiculous.

If you want to learn absolutly everything about any country, or are doing a geography essay, this is a good site to get stats from...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

Hehe, Eut, you're nothing next to my >6 quintillion aeons. :p
True. Hire me as yer bodyguard then. :D

Comere, young phoole! I'll show ya "senior citizen!" :D
Please... for the love of http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/jesus.gif - Don't!

you know america has it's own problems naming conventions aside. They have the entire world thinking they're this big evil empire. To tell the truth any power vested in America left a long time ago in the hands of multinational corporations. America is largerly a "vocal" paper tiger. It's all game. If you want to get mad at an "evil empire" take a look at china or the EU that's the future of evil. Leave America alone it's a big retail cesspool full of poor destitute people who lost their jobs to international competition because they had a backwards inadequate education foisted on them by incompetant leaders. You want third world check out New York or Los Angeles.

You makin' biscuits 'r sumfin??? :confused:
I'm protecting your gums.
'biscuits' pfff... not me!

In my experience, people from the United States of America frequently refer to themselves as being from the "U.S.". They'll call themselves Americans, but if you ask where they're from, usually they're from the U.S. On the other hand, Europeans frequently will say they're from "America" or from "The States".

I don't think I've ever heard an American say they were from America or the States, and I don't think I've ever heard a european say the person was from The U.S.

As to USian, it's about on par with all the other stupid stuff people make up when they feel like mutating the English language to suit their fancy, even though it's completely ridiculous.

Come to think of it, your damn right!

Awesome post!

And on a similar note, there is no such thing as a 'libertarian socialist' or 'libertarian syndicast.' The anarchists and socialists surrendered their names to us when they stole 'liberal' from us.

What are you on about? :confused:

Yah bunch of grammar nazis http://www.mahjqa.com/stuff/grammarnazi.gif :D

Hmm, I wonder if I could use that without breaking the NS "no swastika" policy.


¬_¬

In my experience, people from the United States of America frequently refer to themselves as being from the "U.S.". They'll call themselves Americans, but if you ask where they're from, usually they're from the U.S. On the other hand, Europeans frequently will say they're from "America" or from "The States".

I don't think I've ever heard an American say they were from America or the States, and I don't think I've ever heard a european say the person was from The U.S.

As to USian, it's about on par with all the other stupid stuff people make up when they feel like mutating the English language to suit their fancy, even though it's completely ridiculous.
Heh! I agree with this. :)

I'm protecting your gums.
'biscuits' pfff... not me!
[ gums Bunnyducks to death! ] :D

*dances*

Heh! I agree with this. :)
SO why start this topic?

Please... for the love of http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/jesus.gif - Don't!
[ smacks German Nightmare upside da head! ] Behave! :p

SO why start this topic?

Cause it wasted over 10 pages of the Nationstates forum server, why else!?

did anyone see my previous message this forum is moving a mile a minute. Seriously, you people need to get off America.. there's nothing at all interesting or evil or anything about it. It's just a bunch of regular guys looking for regular work trying to get by.

SO why start this topic?
Because there are a demented few on NS General who insist on referring to Americans as "USians." It's an abomination! :p

Cause it wasted over 10 pages of the Nationstates forum server, why else!?
[ smacks King Graham upside da head! ] Behave! :p

did anyone see my previous message this forum is moving a mile a minute. Seriously, you people need to get off America.. there's nothing at all interesting or evil or anything about it. It's just a bunch of regular guys looking for regular work trying to get by.

YES FINALLY! Please can we move to Dissing France again, thats always good fun!

America has been dissed so much now, its boring and tedious!

Because there are a demented few on NS General who insist on referring to Americans as "USians." It's an abomination! :p
Well if you only objected to USians then... you should have just said. You made it sound like you made something else. meh. I think thats a shit name anyway how do you read it? "ooooosians" "yooo-esssians" :S

And lol yes good old France, we need them for insultage.
SNAILS?!

Yes Qwystyria. I don't remember an occasion I have called an 'USian' anything but American.

Well if you only objected to USians then... you should have just said. You made it sound like you made something else. meh. I think thats a shit name anyway how do you read it? "ooooosians" "yooo-esssians" :S

And lol yes good old France, we need them for insultage.
SNAILS?!
Not quite sure what you mean, but meh. :p

did anyone see my previous message this forum is moving a mile a minute. Seriously, you people need to get off America.. there's nothing at all interesting or evil or anything about it. It's just a bunch of regular guys looking for regular work trying to get by.
It's precisely posts like this which tells us something must be wrong.

well.. um. you know what I think Happened? A multinational naming body got together and decided the "United States of America" was the most rediculous name for a country ever. I mean.. back then we had France, German, heck even China. Short, sweet, to the point. So there was nothing really cool to speak of on the American continents at the time so they said.. lets just stick with Americans.. we'll sort it out later.. and they just never got to it. Either that or it was decided at the marketing level and it never made it to the brass at the consitutional conventions.

Damn French, snails, riots that last forever (have they actually stopped yet, or is just the media coverage that has!?), think they rule Europe with their strong economy ...how wrong they could be, try and take over the EU, supply arms to Iraq and go behind the UN oil wise (France had very lucrative oil contracts with Saddam if the UN Sanctions were ever lifted, hence their objection to the UK and US and others overthrowing him), plus generally the French people...well, not all, but the Parisian are not so good as well as the Northerners, AND they let illegal immigrants into Britain :headbang: :headbang:

So much on the French, and we have not even touched the surface!

Damn French, snails, riots that last forever (have they actually stopped yet, or is just the media coverage that has!?), think they rule Europe with their strong economy ...how wrong they could be, try and take over the EU, supply arms to Iraq and go behind the UN oil wise (France had very lucrative oil contracts with Saddam if the UN Sanctions were ever lifted, hence their objection to the UK and US and others overthrowing him), plus generally the French people...well, not all, but the Parisian are not so good as well as the Northerners, AND they let illegal immigrants into Britain :headbang: :headbang:

So much on the French, and we have not even touched the surface!

[ smacks German Nightmare upside da head! ] Behave! :p
Oh no, you just didn't! Come here, Gringo! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/rumble.gif

:D You know I'd never hit an http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/opa.gif, right?*

*Just joking, I know you can take it.

U.S.A., North America, South America, the Americas...none of them have any right to be called America, but common usage dictates that America = U.S.A.

Simply put, proper convention for referring to the citizen of a country uses the name of the country and not it's prefix title.

Example: citizens of the People's Republic of China = Chinese, not "PRCians" or "People's Republicans"

You refer to the citizens of a country by the name of the country, not the continent. I wouldn't refer to people from France using the blanket term of European, I would refer to them as French.

Calling someone from Venezuela an American is denying them their nationality and lumping them in with everyone else from South America. Not to mention there is no continent named America, it's "North America" or "South America".

Citizens of the United States of America should therefore be referred to as Americans, just because they happen to share the name of a continent doesn't mean you should deny them the proper term a citizen of any other country does. Not to mention I think you'd piss off people from the other countries we happen to share that name with. If you called a Venezuelan an American, I think he'd be rather pissed off, and so would a Canadian.

Also, if anyone calls me a "USian" I reserve the right to call them something insulting as well. For example, if they're French, I'm going to call them "Carpets" (because of how Germany tended to walk all over them), Germans will be "Nazis", and Russians "drunks". Anyone from Africa will just be called African, because that's a good enough insult alone (with the exception of those from South Africa, it's pretty decent).

Simply put, proper convention for referring to the citizen of a country uses the name of the country and not it's prefix title.

Example: citizens of the People's Republic of China = Chinese, not "PRCians" or "People's Republicans"

You refer to the citizens of a country by the name of the country, not the continent. I wouldn't refer to people from France using the blanket term of European, I would refer to them as French.

Calling someone from Venezuela an American is denying them their nationality and lumping them in with everyone else from South America. Not to mention there is no continent named America, it's "North America" or "South America".

Citizens of the United States of America should therefore be referred to as Americans, just because they happen to share the name of a continent doesn't mean you should deny them the proper term a citizen of any other country does. Not to mention I think you'd piss off people from the other countries we happen to share that name with. If you called a Venezuelan an American, I think he'd be rather pissed off, and so would a Canadian.

Also, if anyone calls me a "USian" I reserve the right to call them something insulting as well. For example, if they're French, I'm going to call them "Carpets" (because of how Germany tended to walk all over them), Germans will be "Nazis", and Russians "drunks". Anyone from Africa will just be called African, because that's a good enough insult alone (with the exception of those from South Africa, it's pretty decent).

Haha......damn Africans:D

P.S.....French=Carpets was nothing short of amazing lol

P.P.S......Btw I agree with your post and I think that anyone who really gets that worked up about what we call ourselves is either A) a jealous Euro, B) a lefty noob, or C) all of the above.

Simply put, proper convention for referring to the citizen of a country uses the name of the country and not it's prefix title.

Example: citizens of the People's Republic of China = Chinese, not "PRCians" or "People's Republicans"

Exactly.

I think its just certain Canadians who were upset that they didn't think of naming their country "America" and now want to somehow subvert language to make up for that bad marketing decision.

But we got here first, baby! Maybe you can be Americans too if instead of "Canada" you were named "America" ... but then you'd just be plagiarizing.

*lights thread on fire*

You don't even deserve to represent the U.S.A.

More accepting and less deluded American people like OceanDrive2 please.



Hmm... who are you exactly to say who deserves to represent the U.S. and who does not? See, here we have this little thing called difference of opinion, and we respect it. Just because someone who shares the same landmass as another who has a dissenting opinion doesn't mean that person who disagrees no longer deserves to either live here or call themselves members of that country. They, just like the first person, can both represent the country as far as I'm concerned.

But then again, I'm just a Bush-loving, gun-toting, right-wing, nazi. What do I know? :rolleyes:

Just call yourselves yanks/dixies and that's it!

Oh no, you just didn't! Come here, Gringo! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/rumble.gif

:D You know I'd never hit an http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/opa.gif, right?*

*Just joking, I know you can take it.
Hehehe! If you only knew! Mwahahahaha! :D

*lights thread on fire*
[ Smacks Branin upside da head wid a herring! ] Behave! :p

Hehehe! If you only knew! Mwahahahaha! :D
http://flamevault.com/~meeks/emoticons/UltimaTrout.gif Behave!

Was this thread really necessary? Who cares? I don't care if the rename the country Candyland, it'll still be completely f----d up.


BTW, cool smiley. Where'd you find it?

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BTW, cool smiley. Where'd you find it?
THX! Saw in some other thread here and saved it...
(*Right click, view image*)

America capitalized denotes a proper noun, and should thus refer to The United States of America.

When america is just a normal noun it means the actual continents.

Therefore, Americans are residents of the United States, which is a country in the americas.

America capitalized denotes a proper noun, and should thus refer to The United States of America.
When america is just a normal noun it means the actual continents.
Therefore, Americans are residents of the United States, which is a country in the americas.The continent of America is written with a Capital letter...

every City, Country, Continent is always written with a Capital...all over the World

http://www.jpopulos.addr.com/apoyodigital/secundaria/sd/Imagessd/sdt51/maontinentes.jpg
see? all with Capital letters...

Simply put, proper convention for referring to the citizen of a country uses the name of the country and not it's prefix title.

Example: citizens of the People's Republic of China = Chinese, not "PRCians" or "People's Republicans"

You refer to the citizens of a country by the name of the country, not the continent. I wouldn't refer to people from France using the blanket term of European, I would refer to them as French.

Calling someone from Venezuela an American is denying them their nationality and lumping them in with everyone else from South America. Not to mention there is no continent named America, it's "North America" or "South America".

Citizens of the United States of America should therefore be referred to as Americans, just because they happen to share the name of a continent doesn't mean you should deny them the proper term a citizen of any other country does. Not to mention I think you'd piss off people from the other countries we happen to share that name with. If you called a Venezuelan an American, I think he'd be rather pissed off, and so would a Canadian.

Also, if anyone calls me a "USian" I reserve the right to call them something insulting as well. For example, if they're French, I'm going to call them "Carpets" (because of how Germany tended to walk all over them), Germans will be "Nazis", and Russians "drunks". Anyone from Africa will just be called African, because that's a good enough insult alone (with the exception of those from South Africa, it's pretty decent).

Well put.

I shall call You USian from now on... just because I now know it pisses you off...

...sorry...

We were alled "americans" since before there was a United States of America...it's a usage that dates to the British colonial period and simply became common usage (and hence stuck).

I've never met anyone who was seriously troubled by our use of the term "American" (though there are certainly plenty of Americans who think North American consists of "America" and perhaps one or, at most, two other countries).

Anyone seriously disturbed by the term would no doubt be livid to discover just how much the term "asian" is misused.

In the end, words mean what we communally agree they should mean. In certain contexts, "american" might well mean "of or relating to the New World" (as in "an american free trade zone") anyone who gets upset because he wishes words meant something different needs help.

We were alled "americans" since before there was a United States of America...it's a usage that dates to the British colonial period and simply became common usage (and hence stuck).

I've never met anyone who was seriously troubled by our use of the term "American" (though there are certainly plenty of Americans who think North American consists of "America" and perhaps one or, at most, two other countries).

Anyone seriously disturbed by the term would no doubt be livid to discover just how much the term "asian" is misused.

In the end, words mean what we communally agree they should mean. In certain contexts, "american" might well mean "of or relating to the New World" (as in "an american free trade zone") anyone who gets upset because he wishes words meant something different needs help.

OH! Now I see. We should call you Americans. Now I see why.

Shhh! Don't expose state secrets!

Eut is being patriotic, and how dare you suggest that the USA is not the world? *men in black suits drag Schlaackism away thanks to my tip-off to the CIA*
Eww patriotism. *wrinkles nose* Patriotism smells.

Internationalism all the way baby! *does commie dance*

I reserve the right to call you whatever I want. Even USians. Asians is correctly used when refering to someone from Asia. If your going to insult me, an Australian, for calling you a correct term, you will probably call me something im not, like something to do wih the desert and farmers and Aboriginals. I am an Australian who lives in the city.

and where the hell is fass when we need him most?

and here ive gone my whole time on the forums thinking fass was a girl.

I reserve the right to call you whatever I want. Even USians. Asians is correctly used when refering to someone from Asia. If your going to insult me, an Australian, for calling you a correct term, you will probably call me something im not, like something to do wih the desert and farmers and Aboriginals. I am an Australian who lives in the city.
You ah... erm, you urbanite, you.

There, I called you by an accurate term. Don't worry, though, I'm an urbanite too, and not a USian, either.

and here ive gone my whole time on the forums thinking fass was a girl.
Ewwww.

and here ive gone my whole time on the forums thinking fass was a girl.
Dude, Fass is more crooked than a Mobius Strip.

Dude, Fass is more crooked than a Mobius Strip.
Annnnnd is that a good thing?

It should not be american it should be a "guy or person from the states,"

What is America is huge, but there is only one place in America where there are states that are united.

Edit: Or a Yankee.

You know...fuck it who cares ...

And on a similar note, there is no such thing as a 'libertarian socialist' or 'libertarian syndicast.' The anarchists and socialists surrendered their names to us when they stole 'liberal' from us.
Off topic, but "libertarian" was stolen before "liberal". About 30 years before, IIRC.

Hm, I've never heard USian used before. Except for one other message board in general.

American, while it may not be technically correct, is a term that has come into generally accepted use. It's a reference to an unofficial part of the title of the United States. Personally, I don't care whether you use it or not. I'm going to continue to use American, because while I realize that there are plenty of other countries on the American continents, USian doesn't flow, it sounds downright silly, and no one besides Fass (who wishes ill on all Anglo-Saxon types, and strives to pick a fight whenever possible with those he has deemed Anglo-Saxons) uses it, and it would be awfully awkward and ridicule filled to call folks like myself USians.


Anyways, if you wanted to be really technical, the appropriate and proper term would happen to be "US Citizen." Or possibly "Citizen of the US." A bit clunky, don't you agree?

The official formal title of Mexico is The Republic of Mexico, but they're still Mexicans.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the complete official formal title of Britain is [/i]The United Kingdom of Great[/i] Britain and Ireland, but they're still Brits, or Britains.

The complete official formal title of USA is The United States of America.
That'd make us Americans.

It's just like when you create a nation in Nation States. You select your country name (which is general the only part used in other word forms when refering to the country) and the prefix (whether it be United Kingdom, Republic, United States, etc.), but when you post in the forums, you post under your nations informal name (dropping the fancy schmancy jazzy part).

My official NS country name is "The Disputed Territories or Wanksta Nation," but you wouldn't really call them DTWNians, would you?

Actually, as established by the Constitution, the official title of said nation which we are discussing is "The United States"

America is added on quite often, because there's other countries whose prefix also happens to be "The United States..." and "of America" is typically a geographical clarifyer.

The US Constitution also establishes the appropriate term as one of the two I listed earlier as well, if I remember correctly.

The only reason the term USian has even been invented is because of Europe.

Over the last half century, Europeans (generally) have come to view themselves more and more on a continental level...nationality still plays a vital role in Europe, and probably always will, but the term "European" now actually has socio-political conotations as well as geographical ones.

The U.S. (and vice versa the rest of the nations on the American continents) lacks that socio-political connection with the rest of the Americas. In my opinion, many Europeans have a difficult time accepting the fact that the Americas do not view themselves in terms of a continental identity the way that Europe does.

But Canadians are still Canadians, Jamaicans are still Jamaicans, Guatemalans are still Guatemalans, and Argentinians are still Argentinians.

I'd be willing to bet that 99.9% of people who use the term USian are from Europe...the other .1% being Canadians or Americans who dislike the U.S.

Until a person from a country south of the Rio Grande starts complaining about U.S. citizens refering to themselves as Americans, the term USian will continue to be ridiculed (and in my opinion, rightly so) as a small and futile attempt to get the U.S. to conform to European cultural standards.

So go ahead and use the term if you feel you must...cause it won't change a thing, and I'm sure that very few people living in North and South America even care that U.S. citizens refer to themselves as Americans.

The term "USian" is widely used, and I shall continue to use it. When there is a lack in the language, a new term appears to fill it in. Language evolution. The term "American" is ambiguous and misleading.
:D

I'm probably just rehashing the same arguments you have allready said, but:

USian is widely used? Could someone tell me where. I've never heard it used except on these forums and thought that it was made up on these forums.

I generally like to call a people group whatever they want to be called unless it is improper of stupid. So don't understand the insistance on calling them something else. Though I personally don't care.

There is nothing improper about calling people from the USA Americans. The United States of America just happens to be named after a continent. Though I agree the term is ambigous since it would also be proper to call anyone from the Americas American.

I think the objection to USian is that it sounds like people are just going over the top about being politically correct and that it sounds like they are insulting us by saying we aren't calling ourselves by the right name. Hardly any of us "Americans" are aware that USian is commonly used assuming it really is commonly used in some mysterious country somewhere. I think if I knew it was commonly used I wouldn't take so much objection to it.

We have a state named New York and a city in it named New York. They both call themselves New Yorkers. The city doesn't claim to have a monopoly on the term. Yes it's confusing and there have been a few times I had assumed someone ment the city and they really ment the state. But it's not improper for them. People from the city don't say they are a NYCer. They just say they are a New Yorker.

Oh and while you are being picky isn't USAian better then USian is not the full name. And no one ever did respond when it was asked how to say it. Since few of us "Americans" have actually heard either word. Do you say the individual letters like you do with U. S. A. or do you say the word us + ian. If you have to say all those letters then it doesn't even make sense to use it since the whole point is that it be a quick way of refering to them. You might as well just say citizens of the United States of America.

In my experience, people from the United States of America frequently refer to themselves as being from the "U.S.". They'll call themselves Americans, but if you ask where they're from, usually they're from the U.S. On the other hand, Europeans frequently will say they're from "America" or from "The States".

I don't think I've ever heard an American say they were from America or the States, and I don't think I've ever heard a european say the person was from The U.S.

As to USian, it's about on par with all the other stupid stuff people make up when they feel like mutating the English language to suit their fancy, even though it's completely ridiculous.

Actually, when I was in the US military we generally referred to it as "The States".

When I refer to people from the United States I generally refer to them as Californians, Texans, Virginians, Michiganders, etc. I think that the term "American" for people in the US is far too broad. It's like when I would be overseas and someone would ask me where I was from. I would say "Michigan" but my friends would often times say "The US" or "The States". Well that narrows it down, doesn't it?

I think the term "Yank" is a good one for residents of the United States. Canadians and Mexicans may both technically be continental 'Americans', but neither are yanks. Only US residents are yanks.

See? If we just use "yank", everyone is happy! Well, except, I guess for those yanks that get all puffed up and indignant when you use it, but no one cares about them.

I have no problem with The United States of America being called "America" Just as long as everyone knows that Canada is bigger and we're on top baby!. :p

I have no problem with The United States of America being called "America" Just as long as everyone knows that Canada is bigger and we're on top baby!. :p

LMAO...you have a deal! :p

We have this kind of problem in the UK. Plenty of Scots, Welsh and Irish get in a strop when foreigners refer to the UK as England, or refer to Scots etc. as English.

Considering that England has more than 80% of the population, national wealth and its language has been adopted by the Celtic countries, it's not that unreasonable...

The United States of America.

Not a very imaginative name, is it?

We have this kind of problem in the UK. Plenty of Scots, Welsh and Irish get in a strop when foreigners refer to the UK as England, or refer to Scots etc. as English.

Considering that England has more than 80% of the population, national wealth and its language has been adopted by the Celtic countries, it's not that unreasonable...

Go and say that to a Glaswegian walking down the street, and see if you don't get a broken nose.

Being a Scot now living in England, it's my pet hate when people refer to the UK as England. England, Scotland and Northern Ireland are de jure seperate nations, sharing a common Parliament. Wales is not de jure, but is de facto.

And it's not 'just' England that produces national wealth in Britain. In the days of the British Empire, when the Uk was the Workshop of the World, it was the North of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland that were the home of Britain's manufacturing industry.

Our country is still Anglocentric, and if that problem continues the UK will disappear into the hands of the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Irish Nationalists. It's high time we recognised that theres more to the UK than Merrie Englande.

And on America, citizens of the USA are technically Americans, since they live on the Americas. Possibly saying 'America' as opposed to the USA is a bit sloppy, but I think its just a bit PC and pedantic, unless Canadians, Mexicans and other American nations actually take offense.

The continent of America is written with a Capital letter...

every City, Country, Continent is always written with a Capital...all over the World

http://www.jpopulos.addr.com/apoyodigital/secundaria/sd/Imagessd/sdt51/maontinentes.jpg
see? all with Capital letters...
As has been pointed out already their is no continent of 'America', its North America and South America, 2 seperate continental plate, 2 seperate (although connected by a land bridge) continents.

To all those getting upset about being called USians or USAians, why worry about it?

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To all those getting upset about being called USians or USAians, why worry about it?
psst...it's ewseeans...or ewseeayans;)

And it's not 'just' England that produces national wealth in Britain. In the days of the British Empire, when the Uk was the Workshop of the World, it was the North of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland that were the home of Britain's manufacturing industry.

Our country is still Anglocentric, and if that problem continues the UK will disappear into the hands of the SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Irish Nationalists. It's high time we recognised that theres more to the UK than Merrie Englande.



While the first part of your post that I have quoted is indeed true, it is completely irrelevant! Manufacturing has declined in importance, and the inability of Scotland, the North and Wales to adapt to this is a major reason for their current relative poverty.

I don't see the UK breaking up any time soon, especially as Scots, Welsh and Irish all benefit massively from subsidised (by England) public spending under the Barnett Formula.

What's wrong with the UK being Anglocentric? Considering the relative political, social and economic insignifance of the other nations it can't really go anywhere else...

USian is widely used? Could someone tell me where. I've never heard it used except on these forums and thought that it was made up on these forums.
Neither have I, and yes, it was made up here. Don't let the ugly lil trolls confuse you. I've never had an "ingore list," but I'm seriously considering creating one just to hold the trolls who insist on using this specious term. :p

Neither have I, and yes, it was made up here. Don't let the ugly lil trolls confuse you. I've never had an "ingore list," but I'm seriously considering creating one just to hold the trolls who insist on using this specious term. :p

:eek: Pleeze don't! I'll try to stop saying EWZEEANZ!

:eek: Pleeze don't! I'll try to stop saying EWZEEANZ!
Ugly lil troll. Ugly, ugly, UGLY! [ hits "ignore button!" ] Mwahahahaha!

dumbest thread ever.

dumbest thread ever.
You posted in it. What's that make you? Heh! :p

maybe we should just nuke all the other "american" countries so we can finally finish this debate!

Just nuking the USA would be a cheaper way to finish the debate.

/not actually advocating this (duh)

I think the term "Yank" is a good one for residents of the United States. Canadians and Mexicans may both technically be continental 'Americans', but neither are yanks. Only US residents are yanks.

See? If we just use "yank", everyone is happy! Well, except, I guess for those yanks that get all puffed up and indignant when you use it, but no one cares about them.

The problem with that is that only New Englanders are really "Yankees". I'm not a Yankee, but I won't get extremely indignant if I'm called one, I usually just explain what a Yankee is. However, some Southerners consider it akin to calling their mother a two dollar whore.

maybe we should just nuke all the other "american" countries so we can finally finish this debate!
Yes we should Start with The Untied States Of America.

Hawaii(or however you spell that rat arse of a bunch of Islands)I'll call it Sandwich for now*shifty eyes*Would feel excluded if you only refer to America.

You posted in it. What's that make you? Heh! :p
England 40 - 3 Samoa
Ireland 43 - 12 Romania
Italy 28 - 3 Fiji
Scotland 10 - 29 New Zealand

England 40 - 3 Samoa
Ireland 43 - 12 Romania
Italy 28 - 3 Fiji
Scotland 10 - 29 New Zealand
WTF, over?? :confused:

I can't believe people took Eutrusca's USian ass seriously here.

Jeez, you leave the forums for two days... and you know damn well where I was Eutrusca, and it was nowhere near as neat as Amsterdam would have been to me. You rumour-monger, you!

The problem with that is that only New Englanders are really "Yankees". I'm not a Yankee, but I won't get extremely indignant if I'm called one, I usually just explain what a Yankee is. However, some Southerners consider it akin to calling their mother a two dollar whore.
In New England, Yankee doesn't refer to New Englanders. It refers to the Spawn of Satan.

In New England, Yankee doesn't refer to New Englanders. It refers to the Spawn of Satan.

Precisely. Only people from outside of New England call people from New England Yankees.

It may as well be. We have all the nationalities and "races" and religions. The primary difference is that we get along a lot better than the world at large does. :D
You get on better than the world at large?? Maybe so but its you that makes the "world at large" start to hate each other! Your the one that starts war for NO reason and treats the rest of the f**king world like 2nd Class Citizens!! You claim to want to keep international peace, well, heads up America -----> YOU CANT DO THAT BY STARTING A WAR WITH EVERYONE WHO HASNT SENT YOU A CHRISTMAS CARD IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS!!


There, i said it

You get on better than the world at large?? Maybe so but its you that makes the "world at large" start to hate each other! Your the one that starts war for NO reason and treats the rest of the f**king world like 2nd Class Citizens!! You claim to want to keep international peace, well, heads up America -----> YOU CANT DO THAT BY STARTING A WAR WITH EVERYONE WHO HASNT SENT YOU A CHRISTMAS CARD IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS!!


There, i said it
GET PISSED!~

WTF, over?? :confused:
Judging from "Ireland 43 - 12 Romania", it's rugby matches. Their relevance in the context of the present debate is, however, beyond me. Btw, I've always said America and Americans. I've first seen 'USian' on this forum, a few month ago, and it took me a while to get it.

In New England, Yankee doesn't refer to New Englanders. It refers to the Spawn of Satan.

By Spawn of Satan I assume you're referring to a certain baseball team?

America=USA get used to it huh? Nope. :) In casual conversation, naturally. But when discussing politics or anything you need to be correct :) and frankly, I dont refer to Britain as The British Empire. But it IS still an empire :) so why should the USA refer to tthemselves as America, which is even MORE absurd.

America=USA get used to it huh? Nope. :) In casual conversation, naturally. But when discussing politics or anything you need to be correct :) and frankly, I dont refer to Britain as The British Empire. But it IS still an empire :) so why should the USA refer to tthemselves as America, which is even MORE absurd.
Sez who? So what are you going to call us? Hmmm??

I have no problem calling AMericans americans. They just dont come from the country AMerica :)

I'm going to go on the record, and officially state that anyone who calls me a "USian" is insulting me. I therefore reserve the right to call them by any name I deem to be equally offensive to them.

So if you don't want to be offended, don't offend.

That's all I have to say about the subject.

WTF, over?? :confused:
Sorry, would you believe me if i said i posted in the wrong topic while i had two pages open?

I'm going to go on the record, and officially state that anyone who calls me a "USian" is insulting me. I therefore reserve the right to call them by any name I deem to be equally offensive to them.

So if you don't want to be offended, don't offend.

That's all I have to say about the subject.For the record, I don't believe "USian" is likely to go down in our books as a flame. I don't see any reason to be offended by it.

Also for the record, calling someone else "whatever name" you think to be equally offensive may qualify as a flame, depending on the term used. I therefore recommend continued politeness.

Just a point of reference.

People have used technically incorrect terms for thousands of years, without serious problems. That's why we still talk about Germany, when that term relates to the region of Germania around the time of the Roman Empire. Cologne, not Köln. Florence, not Firenze.

So why are you seppos* angry about people using the term USian? You use incorrect terms, and you use correct terms. Given that your country is, technically, The United States, USian is probably the most technically accurate term. Just because you don't use it yourself doesn't mean people in other countries can't use it.

*Seppos: Australian idiomatic term, developed from Cockney rhyming slang: seppos = septic tanks = yanks. We also talk about yanks, taking absolutely no note of how you use the term yank.

People have used technically incorrect terms for thousands of years, without serious problems. That's why we still talk about Germany, when that term relates to the region of Germania around the time of the Roman Empire. Cologne, not Köln. Florence, not Firenze.

So why are you seppos* angry about people using the term USian? You use incorrect terms, and you use correct terms. Given that your country is, technically, The United States, USian is probably the most technically accurate term. Just because you don't use it yourself doesn't mean people in other countries can't use it.

*Seppos: Australian idiomatic term, developed from Cockney rhyming slang: seppos = septic tanks = yanks. We also talk about yanks, taking absolutely no note of how you use the term yank.

If your theory is correct then we shouldn't be calling any country by their name. If we call people from the United States OF America USians then shouldn't we be callling the french Republicians, or the spanish, constitutional monarchians?

It's "Americker". G.W. can't be wrong.

Sorry, would you believe me if i said i posted in the wrong topic while i had two pages open?
Heh! Not a problem. I've done the same thing a couple times. :)

For the record, I don't believe "USian" is likely to go down in our books as a flame. I don't see any reason to be offended by it.

Also for the record, calling someone else "whatever name" you think to be equally offensive may qualify as a flame, depending on the term used. I therefore recommend continued politeness.

Just a point of reference.
:rolleyes:

I'm going to go on the record, and officially state that anyone who calls me a "USian" is insulting me. I therefore reserve the right to call them by any name I deem to be equally offensive to them.

So if you don't want to be offended, don't offend.

That's all I have to say about the subject.
I recommend you avoid doing that and simply start an "Ignore List" as I have done. :D

:rolleyes: Mornin Eut.

I don't take offense to being called a USian. We call ourselves American, even though it is technically incorrect. This seems to offend others from North America and South America, so to avoid having to type "citizen of the United States of America" over and over it makes for an easy quick reference that is understood by all. Who cares what others call us....we know who we are, don't we?

We know that refering to the US as 'America' is incorrect, but we don't really care! :p

Everyone knows what you're talking about if you say 'blah, blah, blah, AMERICA, blah, blah ...'

And besides, why do Americans care what they are called? I thought most of them consider the USA to be 'the World' anyway? :rolleyes:


Did anyone see that economist cover a few years back. It had the a huge US with a proportionally smaller canada on top. mexico was a little stumpo down to a quarter size south america. The rest of the world was added in as a sort of miniscule after thought.

Did anyone see that economist cover a few years back. It had the a huge US with a proportionally smaller canada on top. mexico was a little stumpo down to a quarter size south america. The rest of the world was added in as a sort of miniscule after thought.
And your point is???

I don't think it is incorrect, it just means that everyone from the american continent is american just like the way it is with Europe and Africa.

I don't think it is incorrect, it just means that everyone from the american continent is american just like the way it is with Europe and Africa.

In the broad sense we are American, too. But, often when we use the term "American" we are referring to citizens of the US, discounting other Americans.

In the broad sense we are American, too. But, often when we use the term "American" we are referring to citizens of the US, discounting other Americans.
G'mornin' yer Royal Zookiness! :D

In the broad sense we are American, too. But, often when we use the term "American" we are referring to citizens of the US, discounting other Americans.

Yeah but I doubt Canadians and Mexicans etc would want to be refferred to as Americans though.

I prefer saying USA and USAian.

Why? Not because I'm trying to be PC.

I'm just damned lazy.

I prefer saying USA and USAian.

Why? Not because I'm trying to be PC.

I'm just damned lazy.

I suppose that's a valid excuse :p

I prefer saying USA and USAian.

Why? Not because I'm trying to be PC.

I'm just damned lazy.

Lazy-R-US.

G'mornin' yer Royal Zookiness! :D

Hey sunshine. What sunshine? Raining here again. Poor hubby has to do honey-dos today. hehehehe

Hey sunshine. What sunshine? Raining here again. Poor hubby has to do honey-dos today. hehehehe
You sound WAY too gleeful about that! Tsk! :p

You sound WAY too gleeful about that! Tsk! :p

If he could figure out how to do house chores with power tools he might help in the house more. Until then I just pray for rain every Friday.

If he could figure out how to do house chores with power tools he might help in the house more. Until then I just pray for rain every Friday.
ROFL! You're evil. Evil, I tell you! :p

ROFL! You're evil. Evil, I tell you! :p

yeah...but someone has to dust those ceiling fans. I vote for the tall guy.

That implies that the US encompasses all of the Americas.

Exactly. I'm an American myself, but according to the CIA website, our long name is the United States of America and our short name is the United States, there is no country called "America" officially.

Speaking for the English we don't care what our colonies call themselves.:)

Exactly. I'm an American myself, but according to the CIA website, our long name is the United States of America and our short name is the United States, there is no country called "America" officially.

common usage > CIA World Factbook

common usage > CIA World Factbook

Lol :D

I was talking about official, btw.

common usage > CIA World Factbook
I call it the United States or the "U.S." for short. Or even "the states" that's common usage here.

I call people from n and s america "americans" and I call USians "statelites"

Contrary to my usual practice, I haven't read this thread (past the first 4 pages.)

Mind you, this is coming from a citizen of the US (albeit, one of those whacky Californians*.)

But I wonder if the strident "call us Americans!" crowd call citizens of other countries by their preferred names. Aren't Germans "Deutchlanders"? (I could be wrong.)

Still, do you ask or even care what a person from out of the US preferrs to be called?

Do you call the French "surrender monkeys," and then get pissed off when some foreigner suggests that the US is a bit warlike?

Do you get confused that people from Holland (also called The Netherlands) are Dutch? (I've been there, but I don't even recall what people there call themselves. Nederlanders? Damn.)

Have you called a grieving mother a "lying whore" or "a despicable publicity hound" without finding out what she prefers to be called?

Have you attached uncomplimentary adjectives to the word "Liberal" without asking how people who call themselves liberals prefer to be adressed? (Personally, I prefer "Jeremy.")

Aren't Germans "Deutchlanders"? (I could be wrong.)
(...)
Do you get confused that people from Holland (also called The Netherlands) are Dutch?
(...)
You're wrong. We call ourselves "Deutsche", our country "Deutschland", whereas its official title is Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Federal Republic of Germany).

"Deutschländer" are sausages, so please refrain from using that term because that not only is wrong but could be insulting.
http://www.lila-se.de/shop-d/images/meicadeutschlaender.jpg

And mind you that, despite common usage of "Holland" for the "Netherlands", it is only one province of the Netherlands. That'd be like refering to the United States only as "Texas". Or calling them America... uh... yeah...

You're wrong. We call ourselves "Deutsche", our country "Deutschland", whereas its official title is Bundesrepublik Deutschland (Federal Republic of Germany).

"Deutschländer" are sausages, so please refrain from using that term because that not only is wrong but could be insulting.
http://www.lila-se.de/shop-d/images/meicadeutschlaender.jpg

And mind you that, despite common usage of "Holland" for the "Netherlands", it is only one province of the Netherlands. That'd be like refering to the United States only as "Texas". Or calling them America... uh... yeah...

Thank you for the info, and thank you for reinforcing my point!

Nightmare, you beat me to both points! and i SO looked forward to responding to that one!

meh.

anyhow, i feel proud to apparently have made it to eut's ignore list. stuipd USian, that man :D

p.s. is it just me or does the topic of ignore lists pop up extremely often the last couple of days?

Nightmare, you beat me to both points! and i SO looked forward to responding to that one!

meh.

anyhow, i feel proud to apparently have made it to eut's ignore list. stuipd USian, that man :D

p.s. is it just me or does the topic of ignore lists pop up extremely often the last couple of days?

Ich bin ein Berliner!