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Lyric, you are lucky to have seen Comiskey I. I wasn't even 3 yet when I went to my 1st and only game there in 1990, the final season of that stadium. I don't even remember that stadium. All I have left is the pictures and the written history. I don't remember the kelly green slatback seats dating back to the 20's under Comiskey, I don't remember the arches, the original exploding scoreboard, the original Bullpen Sports Bar, the gold box seats, the roof where Kittle hit his moonshots over, the original Veeck showerhead. I wish I could remember that, but I was born too late for that.

Comiskey II (I refuse to call it USCF) is a great place to watch a game, but it isn't the original Comiskey. Sure things like the Veeck shower and the exploding scoreboard live on, and they are finally putting in green seats, but the new parks are nothing like the old parks (except I don't want a park to have the permanent urine stench of Pigley Field.)

Yeah. I was there to see the original showerhead. I was there for the morning game when we all got to sample Egg McMuffins (when they were just invented) I was there for Disco Demolition. I was there for 1983, the first year with the new scoreboard instead of the original exploding scoreboard, and I sure have fond memories of that. I remember 1977, Jimmy Piersall, announcing a Jorge Orta hit..."He hit it, he hit it, he hit it..." that was all Piersall could say at the time!

I was there for August, 1983, when Greg Luzinski took three balls over the roof of the old Comiskey (no one before had EVER taken more than one ball over the roof) I was there for "Winning Ugly."

I was there for Andy The Clown aka Andy Rodzilsky, and his patented GOOOOOOOO YOUUUUUUUUUU WHITE SOXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!! and of course, him lighting up his nose! I have fond memories of old Comiskey. Veeck made going to the games FUN!!!

I was there when Reinsdorf first bought the team...we all sighed a big relief, because we'd all thought DeBartolo was gonna buy the team and move it to New Orleans! I remember Ribbie and Rhoobarb, the new official mascots in the 1980's that left Andy Rodzilsky out in the cold.

I remember Kittle, and Fletcher, Walker, Luzinski...I remember Lamarr Hoyt, and Floyd Bannister, I remember Wilbur Wood and Steve Trout...I remember Dick Allen (the last major homer guy before Luzinski, unless you count Richie Zisk and Oscar Gamble, and I don't.) I remember Carlton Fisk coming over from the Red Sox. Yeah, I have awesome memories, and, like you, I refuse to call the park USCF...or "The Cell," as I understand they call it. To me, it is always Comiskey.

I loved that park. Never seen the new Comiskey. Not sure I want to, either. The old Comiskey was wonderful. Not sure the new Comsikey does justice to the old one. I was glad to see some things survived, though. Things like the showerhead and the exploding scoreboard...but will it ever be quite the same??

I remember the fabled Bard's Room...and I remember McCuddy's (which was torn down to build the new Comiskey. Damn, what a trip down memory lane! 34 years I have been a White Sox fan...I have waitied a long tiome for this!!

ONE THING
THE SOX ARE NOT CURSED!!!

Suggesting it will piss off most Sox fans. Curses are bullshit made-up by losers (i.e. Flub fans) who are looking at an excuse other than the piss poor performance of management for why their team sucks. The Cubs aren't cursed and neither are the Sox. The Cubs just need an excuse for their suckiness. The Sox have had 88 years of futility due to constrained budgets (under Veeck), bad owners (Comiskey you cheap bastard and Reinsy too until recently), bad managers (I see Manuel and Bennington), bad players (look at 1970s outside of Dick Allen and Beltin' Bill Melton), or because the other teams were just better (see 1965 when they had 95 Ws and failed to make postseason play).

Well, now...there have been talk of "The Curse of the Comiskeys" throughout the years. I never bought into it. But the talk was there. Bad general managers that made one trade too many (it was said of Frank Lane, GM in the '50's, that he could trade a fifth-place team into a first-place team, back into a ninth-place team. You had to know when to can him!)

Comiskey was notoriously cheap, one of the things that eventually led to the 1919 fiasco of the Black Sox. For example, when the Sox won it all back in 1906, against the Cubs, too...well, the players were all given bonuses. The players saw it as a generous gift on the part of the owner. Comiskey saw it as part of the 1907 salary.

Incidentally, while many of the 1919 Sox did throw it, you can't say that about Shoeless Joe. If he was throwing it, given his numbers...then he must have been UNREAL when trying to win! Yeah, he took the gambler's money, but he never threw a game that anyone could ever prove.

Veeck, in a way, saved the White Sox from his own self...by selling out in the 1960's...then saved them from bankruptcy by buying them back in the 1970's. John Allyn nearly bankrupted the team, and almost saw them move to Seattle...or Milwaukee. Veeck saved the Sox for Chicago.

Reinsdork and Einbomb (as columnist Mike Royko would have them) were definitely very cheap...not at first...and not recently, but for twenty years in between they sure were!

And not all of our players were bad in the 70's, I remember Zisk and Gamble, I remember Jorge Orta and Chet Lemon. I remember Wilbur Wood and Francisco Barrios.

Anyway, if the Sox have ever been cursed with anything, it has been bad luck, bad timing, bad management, bad owners, bad deals...hell, 95 W's in most seasons woulda qualified for postseason play...but not in 1964...or 1965.

But, we pick up, move on, improve, struggle to do better, somehow we manage to do it. All the Cub fans ever manage to do is whine about a Billy Goat and about Steve Bartman, and about an exploding baseball. They are cursed, the Cubs are. Cursed by negative thinking. THAT is why they don't win...they don't believe they CAN. The Sox believed. And now look where they are!

i must admit.... i think the white sox got to the the world series on a fluke, and they may win it on a fluke. It's just like that steve berkman(i think that's his last name) guy who interfered w/ the foul ball. If the Sox win by only one game, i'm gonna blame the umpire. just like a million other fans of the Astros. But i admit, it was a damn good game. But it didn't help my mood, especially after the Cowboys blew their game earlier in the day..

And for those guys dissing baseball in the thread saying it's not a sport. I think some good points were made that i'll reiterate.

1. Baseball was created in 1905, and at the time, no other nation played it when the name World Series was coined.
2. Competitively speaking, the rest of the world sends it's best baseball players to play in the US, therefore, nations really can't compete at the same level (hince the reason why US only sent minor leaguers/college players to the olympics, and why did they cancel that?) (this could possibly be considered two points)
3. Toronto, admittedly not a US team, is a major league baseball team who HAS won the World Series. Therefore, you can't say it's an "American" only sport.

As far as you disputing others' opinions on soccer and rugby and the like, your opinion about my sport is just as high to me as theirs about your sports is to you.


No fluke. They were in first place wire-to-wire this year. That is no fluke.

Now, as a 34-year fan of the White Sox, I may be somewhat biased...EXCEPT that I'm also a 20-year fan of the Astros! This is a hell of a Series for me!

The 'Stros have proved throughout this Series and throughout this year that they have heart, and they have guts. They have always battled back in every single game of this Series, and they battled back from being down 15 games below .500 at the end of May to get where they are now.

PLEASE do not discredit the Astros, or their efforts, by whining over a damned ump call. The Astros have played some damn good ball. Call it bad luck, bad timing, whatever...they have managed to come out the short end of two very close, and very exciting games.

The ball hit Dye's bat. We all know it. Without that call, do the Astros win? Maybe, and maybe not. Who knows what Dye woulda done with a next pitch? Maybe he strikes out, maybe he walks, maybe he gets a base hit. We don't know. And Konerko still had to HIT the grand slam, and there was nothing cheap about THAT moon shot!

Then, the Astros, ever ther battlers...come back to tie it up 6-6 with 2 out in the ninth. So Podsednik hits the homer in the bottom of the ninth. Bad luck. Bad timing. Who knows? But the ump's call on Dye did not lose the game for the Astros. And if you put yourself in a position where one bad ump call can ruin you, you deserve what you get.

That said, the bad call (and it WAS a bad call...even Sox fans will admit it if they are being honest) led to a hell of a lot of excitement that might never have happened otherwise. The Astros didn't lay down and die after Konerko's ungodly shot, either. they battled back, which has been the way the 'Stros have played all year. They have been a hell of a scrapper of a ball team, and you can't deny that! You don't come back from 15 games under to be in the World Series without guts and determination, and a drive to win.

Don't cheapen that by bitching about an ump call. It sucks, but it is part of baseball.

And, in the end, the 'Stros battled back to tie it in the ninth in spite of the bad ump call.

Had the 'Stros been, say, a run up at the time...say the Dye call and the Konerko homer didn't happen, but the Sox had scored only one run that inning, to be 4-3 Astros. Had that been the case, would Garner have gone to Vizcaino? Would the 'Stros have gotten the two runs? And so where would we be then with the Podsednik homer? Tied at 4 each.

No, it wasn't the ump call that beat the 'Stros. Bad luck...bad timing...bad karma...good ballplaying by the Sox...ANYTHING but whine about the ump call. You cheapen the efforts of the 'Stros by whining about that. The 'Stros have battled and battled...they can still hold their heads high, as they have played great ball in this Series.

And, Oswalt's pitching tonight, I think it likely the 'Stros win this one tonight.

I still say Chicago in six, because I do think the Sox have the better team (and I may be somewhat biased...but not likely as I'm also a fan of the 'Stros) but I think it's six games, because the 'Stros are gonna battle like hell for this, and they will win a couple of games out of that.

I am not saying Baseball is not a sport, I am simpley saying the world series does not deserve the title, seing as it does not represent the world equally and fairly.

Waaaaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaa, my country isn't included, waaaaaaaaaa.....
Guess what, life and sports AREN'T fair! And they are not equal! the most talented get to play. The rest get to sit home and watch.


This is also the case in the UEFA cup in football. However, just because the world is represented in players, does not make it a world series. A world series would be where every nation has a team made up of its citizens and there is only one team per nation. They enter qualifiying rounds and a tournment etc and then one wins. The point being that every nation stands an equal chance in so far as there is one team per nation.

I have made you the offer before, and I'll do it again. You go field a team of ONLY nationals of your own country, and I don't give a rat's ass which country it is. Be very xenophobic about it...make sure that every player is 100% red-blooded citizen natural born of your country only.
We, as America, will send arguably the shittiest team ever to make postseason play as our national representatives, the San Diego Padres. And they will make your team look like Charlie Brown's team, and I'll laugh my ass off as the Padres, who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, kick your team's ass, like 78-2 or some shit like that!

Two countries do not count as the world. At best it is the North American series, not the world

You really have a stupid, piss-poor argument! BASEBALL is NOT set up like World Cup Soccer, and thank God it isn't!! It would be boring as hell to watch the American team beat up everyone else, like 50 zillion to 3. The best players in all the world come to America to play...because we can afford to attract the best talent. The players in our leagues are representative of the best players the world has to offer. Thus, the champion of our leagues is most definitely the World Champion.

You whiny europeans are beginning to piss me off. And I agree with you on most political issues. But this is SPORT, not politics. And your whininess is pissing me off.

Waaaaaahhhhhhh, we aren't included, waaaaaaaaa, we didn't get picked for one of the teams, waaaaaaa waaaaaaaa waaaaaaa....I have already told you...go amass enough money to attract the kind of talent that can compete in our legaues. Build a team accordingly, and apply to join our leagues. Then, go locate your team in Timbuktu, for all I give a shit.

God, you are annoying, Avalon!

I'm sorry, but this World Series has blown ass thus far. Should've known Houston was gonna lay down and let Ozzie and the boys ravage them.

How do you figure??

Coming back from 2 runs down, with 2 out in the ninth is hardly "laying down." So they lost. It happens. It isn't because Houston isn't trying to win. They have battled back time and again...both teams have, this Series...both have refused to concede a lead to the other team.

I think what you are really pissed off about is that the Sox WON'T lay down and die for Houston.

I, as a long-time White sox and Astro fan (34 year Sox fan, 20 year Astro fan) wouldn't have it any other way! Both teams have battled, and they have been great games.

I'm a little disappointed the 'Stros didn't win Game 2, because I do want to see a seven-game Series. But, damn, I can take nothing from the 'Stros...they have battled back, time and again...and so have the Sox.

To suggest otherwise is utter assholery.

No, you're not entitled to. You're talking about random other sporting events and concepts that have nothing to do with the current American World Series. If you want to start your own 'baseball is evil' thread, feel free. You're done in this one.

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High fives for Frisbeeteria!!!
Thank you!

are you still beating that drum? Maybe if you didn't spend so long bitching about not having a job, you might find the time to go and get a job.

Are you just determined to follow me around everywhere with the sole purpose of pissing me off?

You really have a stupid, piss-poor argument! BASEBALL is NOT set up like World Cup Soccer, and thank God it isn't!! It would be boring as hell to watch the American team beat up everyone else, like 50 zillion to 3. The best players in all the world come to America to play...because we can afford to attract the best talent. The players in our leagues are representative of the best players the world has to offer. Thus, the champion of our leagues is most definitely the World Champion.


I don't think anyone would argue that the winner of the World Series is the best team in baseball (except maybe Yankees fans, but they suck).

The only gripe anyone seems to have with this is that there is no other sport that declares what is damn close to a national competition the World whatever. It's not representative of the world.

Are you just determined to follow me around everywhere with the sole purpose of pissing me off?

You don't really seem to be going anywhere, so there isn't much of a following element to it.

Are you just determined to follow me around everywhere with the sole purpose of pissing me off?

I forgot to add, comedy is also one of my purposes.

I don't think anyone would argue that the winner of the World Series is the best team in baseball (except maybe Yankees fans, but they suck).

The only gripe anyone seems to have with this is that there is no other sport that declares what is damn close to a national competition the World whatever. It's not representative of the world.

I have had it with you. You are on ignore. Go piss someone else off.

You don't really seem to be going anywhere, so there isn't much of a following element to it.

That is flame, and is being reported.

I forgot to add, comedy is also one of my purposes.

Yeah? Let's see how funny you think it is when someone makes unneccessarily cruel comments to and about you? Let's see how fucking funny you think it is then.

Mods are being called, I have fucking had it with you!

That is flame, and is being reported.

It's a flame to say you aren't going anywhere? You've only been posting in three threads. One's locked, there's this one, and the other generated no debate (**snigger**). So, yeah, what?

Yeah? Let's see how funny you think it is when someone makes unneccessarily cruel comments to and about you? Let's see how fucking funny you think it is then.

Mods are being called, I have fucking had it with you!

With my powers of thick skin and ability to laugh at myself, I think I'll live. I'm not sure where I've been unnecessarily cruel, but if you fancy fighting back, bring it on. (Yes, that is flamebait)

Are you just determined to follow me around everywhere with the sole purpose of pissing me off?

Didn't you accuse me of that not to long ago? :D

I have had it with you. You are on ignore. Go piss someone else off.

Didn't you already do that once? I mean, you do know there's more to it than just saying "I am ignoring you," right?

Didn't you already do that once? I mean, you do know there's more to it than just saying "I am ignoring you," right?
Knock it off, H-M W. You've gone beyond response into harrassment.
I have fucking had it with you!
You too, Lyric. Either report it or handle it yourself. Don't do both.
God, you are annoying, Avalon!
And while we're here - it's poor form to continue an argument with someone who has been banned from the thread. When I asked him to drop out, that's a signal that responses need to end too. Fair enough?

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Getting back to BASEBALL...

Good pitching match up tonight. John Garland, a surprisingly good pitcher this year, goes up against 20 game winner Roy Oswalt, this years Mr. Postseason.

I predict Garland will give up one run, but Oswalt will give up two. But, the Sox' bullpen blows it. Goes into extras, and Biggio wins it with a Homer in the 11th.

My prediction. Give me Money!

Ok, as a pretty big baseball fan, who is (unfortunatly) in Holland I have one question:

What is the score so far? There's nothing in the media here:(

BTW, go Astro's! I've been to one of their matches two years ago:p

A European Baseball fan?! That's a first! ;)

The White Sox are up 2-0.

Yup, you even got them here :p

BTW, Holland was Fourth on the "Real" Wolrd Championships this summer :D

Damn Cubans won again :(

Those zany cubans...

Heh, I must say the Cubans were pretty good (I went to the match), though Holand had some bad luck.

I'm curious what a result would be of Cuba-USA (a real USA team, not back up players etc.) I'd love to see that! And also a good thing of Cuban Baseball, there's no entrance fee. What would you expect of a Communist Government :p

No, you're not entitled to. You're talking about random other sporting events and concepts that have nothing to do with the current American World Series. If you want to start your own 'baseball is evil' thread, feel free. You're done in this one.

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I diagree. I am not saying baseball is evil, nor am I talking about other random sporting events. I am saying that the world series is inacurately titled, and to diserve the title should be re-formed. If you want to diagree with me thats fine. But this is not illigitamete area of discussion. The title of the world series is misleading. The vast majority of teams are Amercan and thus it is unfair to call it a world series. However if there were a more equal balance of teams from all over the world it would be. Basball is a fine sport, and the people who play it are talanted. But the title of the series is inacuarate and should be changed. Something like NABS (North American Baseball Series) etc. I do not see anything wrong with discussing that in this thread.

Hopefully, there will be this March with this "World Baseball Classic".

If we're lucky, the Cubans will play. They'd have some GREAT pitching!

I diagree. I am not saying baseball is evil, nor am I talking about other random sporting events. I am saying that the world series is inacurately titled, and to diserve the title should be re-formed. If you want to diagree with me thats fine. But this is not illigitamete area of discussion. The title of the world series is misleading. The vast majority of teams are Amercan and thus it is unfair to call it a world series. However if there were a more equal balance of teams from all over the world it would be. Basball is a fine sport, and the people who play it are talanted. But the title of the series is inacuarate and should be changed. Something like NABS (North American Baseball Series) etc. I do not see anything wrong with discussing that in this thread.
Pssst...It's a really bad idea to disagree with Mod rulings.

Pssst...It's a really bad idea to disagree with Mod rulings.

He misunderstood what I am saying. I'm just correcting his understanding. He thought I was saying baseball was evil when I wasnt

He misunderstood what I am saying. I'm just correcting his understanding. He thought I was saying baseball was evil when I wasnt

You should really let this go, man. Or at least, don't argue with the mods about it. That's really dumb, and above "ignoring the warning and doing it anyway" on the dumb scale.

Hopefully, there will be this March with this "World Baseball Classic".

If we're lucky, the Cubans will play. They'd have some GREAT pitching!

It looks like that is going to occur. Looks like it'll be held in San Diego too.

The "World" appellation has stuck despite the fact that only teams in the two major leagues, which happen to cover only the United States and Canada, actually participate. At the time the term was first used, baseball at the major league level was only played in the United States. While some would contend that there is no reason to believe that the World Series winner is a significantly better team than any club team outside Major League Baseball, no challenges have been made by other leagues. Moreover, virtually all of the best international players — from the Pacific Rim, Latin America, the Caribbean, and elsewhere — play on Major League rosters, with the notable exception of Cuban nationals.

The World Series winners have occasionally played winter exhibition series against the best players of other leagues around the world, such as Japan. Sometimes the Japanese have gained the upper hand in those series, but since they are only exhibitions, their results cannot be regarded as conclusive. Attempts to pit the North American champions against champions in the Japanese or Latin American leagues in a truly meaningful way have, so far, not succeeded.

A persistent myth is that the "World" in "World Series" came about because the New York World newspaper sponsored it. Baseball researcher Doug Pappas refutes that claim, demonstrating a linear progression from the phrase "World's Championship Series" (used to describe the 1903 series as well as some of the 19th century post-season series) to "World's Series" (a term first used in the 1880s and which persisted for decades) to "World Series". Furthermore, investigation of the New York World for the relevant years revealed no evidence of the supposed sponsorship. (For details, see Mr. Pappas' web page on the subject.)

In deference to any controversy, more and more the term "World Series Championship" is being used, the subtlety being that it is merely a title and not a political statement.

Baseball tournaments between international teams do occur, notably at the world championships and at the Olympic Games. The United States sends a team of minor league players to the Summer Olympics, as it takes place during the regular Major League season. At the 2004 Summer Olympics the United States was not represented at all, since its team of minor league players did not survive the qualifying rounds
Perhaps its ok to call it the World Series because no other country as attempted to particpate against MLB teams. Plus, the logistics of putting international teams into divisions and pitting them against each other, and then having inter-league division like they do now would be near impossible, i think
And i think this is still a valid point
interesting fact i didn't know.

it'll be interesting to see the march 2006 stuff...

This post season has been plagued by bad calls. I truly think they need to implement instant replay like they have in other major league sports.

This has been one hell of a game 3.

Here we go!

Bottom of the 9th and tied at 5 apiece!

Eugh.. I gotta get up at 5 for work tomorrow.. this game had better end sometime today (PST).. :(

Well 2 on and one out, you never know.

11th inning and still tied! Kick butt 'Stros!!!!

In related news, it's quite entertaining to have both the Japan Series and the World Series going at the same time.
Over here, the Hanshin Tigers are on the verge of goping down in ignominity, having lost their first three games in truely horrible fashion - 10-1, 10-0, and 10-1.

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/sports/news/20051026p2a00m0sp003000c.html

11th inning and still tied! Kick butt 'Stros!!!!

In related news, it's quite entertaining to have both the Japan Series and the World Series going at the same time.
Over here, the Hanshin Tigers are on the verge of goping down in ignominity, having lost their first three games in truely horrible fashion - 10-1, 10-0, and 10-1.

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/sports/news/20051026p2a00m0sp003000c.html

At least they are consistent :D

Come on, Orlando, let's end this! I need some sleep!

Heading for the 12th now. This is one hell of a game.

At this point, the Astros deserve to lose. They have wasted yet another golden opportunity. On to the 12th.

Heading for the 12th now. This is one hell of a game.
I'm definitely getting stressed. Does it ALWAYS have to be this nail-biting? Couldn't we just have one blowout? Please?

Yep, good ole Hanshin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanshin_Tigers) still can't shake the Colonel. Actually, even though I'm livuing in Osaka and Hanshin is supposedly "Osaka's team", I'm not rooting for them - still in mourning for my Kintetsu Buffaloes who went under this year. :(

Bottom 12 Here We Come!!!!

Yes! A 1-2-3 inning. Finally! Astros, please put this one away! I need my sleep!

Yep, good ole Hanshin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanshin_Tigers) still can't shake the Colonel. Actually, even though I'm livuing in Osaka and Hanshin is supposedly "Osaka's team", I'm not rooting for them - still in mourning for my Kintetsu Buffaloes who went under this year. :(

Sorry to hear that Daistallia :(

13th Inning!

Will this be a lucky/unlucky number or will we have a 14th inning?

On to the 13th. Augh!

Qualls is pitching well. I hope he makes it thru this inning. Astacio and Rodriguez aren't really relievers - they were used during the season as 4 or 5 starting pitchers.

Now that's a double play!

WOW!!!

Go Ausmus! Nice double-play! And a strike-out to end the inning! Woohoo!

AHHHHHHH!!!! On to 13. :headbang:

Sorry to hear that Daistallia :(

They were merged with another team. NPB teams are owned by corporations, and the parent corporations of the Orix Blue Wave and the Kintetsu Buffaloes were unable/unwilling to put in the cash. They lost their best pitcher in a long time to the majors a few years back - some guy you might remember by the name of Hideo Nomo. ;) And then they wouldn't sign their star power hitter (he's tied 3 ways for the NPB HR record of 55) Tuffy Rhodes to a 3 year contract, so he went to Tokyo. (Great guy - it's fun to tell students I've hung out with him and watch their eyes get big - 'specially the kiddies. ;))

Well.....

Are we going to see another World Series Record fall?

On to the 14th. My heart can't take much more!

Another AWESOME double-play!!! Go Astros!

Ensberg with a glorious double play

Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn Damn!!!!!!

BACK BACK BACK GONE! SOLO SHOT BY BLUM!

6-5 CHISOX

This has been a hell of a game.

Win or lose, neither team has nothing to be ashamed of.

Thank you thank you thank you, Uribe!

This has been a hell of a game.

Win or lose, neither team has nothing to be ashamed of.
Truer words.

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CHICAGO WHITE SOX ON WINNING GAME NUMBER 3

BWAFGHHH!!!!!!

Yep, an excellent nail-biter of a game!

(I'm glad my asthma doc, who I'm supposed to be seeing at this very moment, is a baseball fan and so will understand why I'll be an hour late!)

HOLY SHIT!!! I can't believe Geoff Blum of all people was the hero. In Chicago, SOx fans were pissed when he was put on the playoff roster over Brian Anderson and Ross Gload.

Did anyone see Garner's meltdown? The chair throw, ordering Oswalt to hit Crede, and the press conference? LOL!!!!!!

Garner had a mental breakdown. The Astros are traditionally a classy organization with classy players. The exception is their manager Phil Garner. He told Oswalt to throw that pitch at Crede, he did that shit all the time in Detroit. Oswalt normally wouldn't do that stuff, but Garner made him. I love how Crazy Carl (Sox fans call him that for his belief that dinosaurs didn't exist) was yelling at Garner after that.

Oh and if anyone predicted Buehrle getting a save and Marte getting a W, please call me and tell me next Tuesday's lotto numbers.


Oh and about this series. The Astros have played 3 great games. I think they would be up 3-0 if they were playing ANY other team in baseball. The problem is that the White Sox are just too hot. They are the best team in baseball right now. I think this Stros team would be up 3-0 against the Skankees, Blow Sawx, or Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Orange COunty, and California.

Hopefully, there will be this March with this "World Baseball Classic".

If we're lucky, the Cubans will play. They'd have some GREAT pitching!
And their 2 best pitchers defected. Guess what? Both went to the Yankees, Steinbrenner became a moron and let them go, and they ended up on the Southside. Contreras is the best pitcher in baseball since July.

I think it is no stretch to call this the greatest game in World Series history.

And while we're here - it's poor form to continue an argument with someone who has been banned from the thread. When I asked him to drop out, that's a signal that responses need to end too. Fair enough?

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My bad, Frisbee. I believe that response was actually made prior to my reading your banishment of Avalon from the thread. But it appears after you banned him because I did respond after you banned him...but before I had read that you banned him.

I diagree. I am not saying baseball is evil, nor am I talking about other random sporting events. I am saying that the world series is inacurately titled, and to diserve the title should be re-formed. If you want to diagree with me thats fine. But this is not illigitamete area of discussion. The title of the world series is misleading. The vast majority of teams are Amercan and thus it is unfair to call it a world series. However if there were a more equal balance of teams from all over the world it would be. Basball is a fine sport, and the people who play it are talanted. But the title of the series is inacuarate and should be changed. Something like NABS (North American Baseball Series) etc. I do not see anything wrong with discussing that in this thread.
If I am not mistaken, Avalon, you have been banned from this thread. No go away, your only purpose here is to annoy and harrass.

If I am not mistaken, Avalon, you have been banned from this thread. No go away, your only purpose here is to annoy and harrass.

Whereas you're responding is remarkably mature...:rolleyes:

This has been one hell of a game 3.

Nah. Game 3 is the first game that has sucked.
Way to roll over, Houston, and let Ozzie and the boys ravage ya! Five run fifth inning! Jesus Christ!

And then, walk in a run in the 14th...the 'Stros beat themselves. Fucking pitiful.

As a long-term Astro fan...and a longer-term White sox fan, I still want to see the Sox win it all...BUT NOT IN FOUR GAMES!!

I'm definitely getting stressed. Does it ALWAYS have to be this nail-biting? Couldn't we just have one blowout? Please?

No...please God, no blowouts!
I love both teams. I'm enjoying the nail-biting aspect.

This has been a hell of a game.

Win or lose, neither team has nothing to be ashamed of.

Bullshit. The 'Stros oughta hang their heads after this one, letting Ozzie and the boys ravage them in that fifth inning.

And asshole Astacio WALKING IN A RUN...Jesus Christ, the 'Stros beat themselves....

Whereas you're responding is remarkably mature...:rolleyes:

As is your responding to my response. That shows a very high degree of maturity...:rolleyes:

As is your responding to my response. That shows a very high degree of maturity...:rolleyes:

Bothered!:p

Seriously though, sorry for any offence caused in this thread, I watched the third game last night on UK television and as a spectacle it is rather damn good. I was a bit confused at points though...:)

Lyric, it's nice to see someone on here is such an avid fan. I have to agree with your posts on how management has been a problem with this team. I can see why people would say there is a "Curse of Comiskey." The Sox problem was ownership.

The 1919 fix happened because Comiskey was a cheap SOB. I'm sure you already know the story of Eddie Cicotte and Comiskey's order to bench him when he had 5 starts left jsut so he wouldn't get win #30 and a $10,000 bonus. The result was that Cicotte threw games 1 and 4 (but he did win game 7).

Veeck wasn't a bad owner IMO. He was there for 1959, but he didn't build the team. You have to give credit to an owner that tried to make the experience good for the fans. When Veeck had his 2nd run as owner, he never had the money to compete in the free agency market. THe only reason the 1977 team made such a run was rent-a-player deal to get Oscar Gamble, who then left for San Diego via free agency. The Sox just couldn't keep stars around, although that rent a player deal also yielded Hoyt Wilhelm.

The Allyn brothers were a disaster with 2 move plans, 1 to Seattle, and the other masterminded by the fucking tool who is now the commissioner to get them to move to Milwaukee. That deal died when Selig got the Pilots to move to Milwaukee.

Reinsdorf's first 20 years of ownership were disaster. 1983 was a great team, but that team fell apart against the Orioles in the ALCS. Reinsdorf pissed off the fan base with many actions. Here are just some of them:

1) Threatened move to Orlando if he didn't get a new stadium

2) Bulldozing Old Comiskey. I have no problem with getting a new stadium, if Comiskey were still in use it would be 95 years old and was not feasible, but he could've preserved more of the stadium

3) Building crappy new stadium. When it was first built, Comiskey II was horrible. Reinsdorf redeemed himself the last 5 years when he had them completely redo the ballpark (including making the upper deck less of a nosebleed area). It now has some of the feel of Old Comiskey. It carries in that park's tradition with arches, a new old style ceiling over upper deck, exploding scoreboard with pinwheels, bullpen sports bar, shower head, and green seats are being added.

4) 1994 strike. Reinsdorf was one of the driving forces behind the strike and ruind what should've been the Sox year.

5) 1997 White Flag Trade. Don't think I need to say much more about this one.

Garcia vs. Backe. I'd like to see the Stros make this interesting. I want game 7 so the Sox can win it on my 18th birthday. Go Sox though.

I think Garner ought to be ashamed for ripping his players though. If they were playing any team besides the White Sox they'd be up 3-0. They've played good ball.

I LOVE the way that the Americans have a 'world series', and just happen to forget to invite the rest of the world...

Sort of reflects the outlook of the nation as a whole...

I LOVE the way that the Americans have a 'world series', and just happen to forget to invite the rest of the world...

Sort of reflects the outlook of the nation as a whole...

This has been addressed on why we call it the world series. Especially now a days with so much of the world is represented in our MLB teams.

only true global sport is football (as in soccer)!

only true global sport is football (as in soccer)!

Seriously now, Avalon II and I have pointed this out a hell of a lot, but having watched game 3 last night, as a spectacle the game is supeb, and therefore I'll say the following: How pissed off would you be if Lyric and co invaded a football related thread to bitch about the faults of the game? Accept the sport on its merits, it really isn't that bad.

Incidentally, Corneliu, I've apologosed to Lyric, but the same to you, sorry about my previous comments.

nah no worries, baseball's ok as a game... saw a bit of it on tv when i was in canada for a bit, got a blue jays cap as a souvenir... just saying footy's more my thing!

nah no worries, baseball's ok as a game... saw a bit of it on tv when i was in canada for a bit, got a blue jays cap as a souvenir... just saying footy's more my thing!

then why couldn't you say it in another thread, and in a more civil manner?

nah no worries, baseball's ok as a game... saw a bit of it on tv when i was in canada for a bit, got a blue jays cap as a souvenir... just saying footy's more my thing!

Join the club. Man United 4 - Barnet 1. Oh yes. And Rafa Beneathus and the reds lost:)

If I am not mistaken, Avalon, you have been banned from this thread. No go away, your only purpose here is to annoy and harrass.

I have already corrected the mod about what it was I was talking about. He believed I was just saying "Baseball is evil" where as actually I was saying "the world series cannot be truely called 'world' for several reasons"

Oh yes. And Rafa Beneathus and the reds lost:)


YES! THEY DID!! My team Crystal Palace beat 'em... who'd have thought the relegated Eagles would topple the european champions....

YES! THEY DID!! My team Crystal Palace beat 'em... who'd have thought the relegated Eagles would topple the european champions....

That made my day, it really did;)

I LOVE the way that the Americans have a 'world series', and just happen to forget to invite the rest of the world...

Sort of reflects the outlook of the nation as a whole...

Not another fucking one!!

Jesus Christ, read the entire fucking thread, I'm not going into these arguments again with another damned whiny-assed European..."we're not included, waaaaah-fucking-wahhhh"

I have already corrected the mod about what it was I was talking about. He believed I was just saying "Baseball is evil" where as actually I was saying "the world series cannot be truely called 'world' for several reasons"
You have already been banned from this thread. Now, leave, or I call the Mods back. You are not elcome here.

As to the rest of you talking sumb-ass SUCCER...take and make your own thread and talk about SUCCER till you turn bloue in the face, this thread is about the only REAL sport...baseball. And it is a real sport because it is an AMERICAN sport.

America doesn't like SUCCER. Ever notice, of all the major team sports in the world, the only one that does not have a league in America is SUCCER? And why?? Because SUCCER sucks! Americans don't like SUCCER, it is a dumb "sport."

We have hockey, we have basketball, we have REAL football, and we have baseball...all of whom have leagues here in America, and have a fan base to support them. But SUCCER consistently fails in America, because we know a dumb "sport" when we see one.

Not another fucking one!!

Jesus Christ, read the entire fucking thread, I'm not going into these arguments again with another damned whiny-assed European..."we're not included, waaaaah-fucking-wahhhh"

Quite, the "whiny-assed Europeans", excuse while I sneer at the primal language, are by no means the sole stereotype herein though. The bulshy, overtly masculate, loud, brash and thoroughly introspective American, is it a genetic disorder Lyric, or is it something in the water?:p

Through 2 innings, no runs. Hopefully this won't be another 14 inning game. I can't take many more of those.

almost through 6, no runs. This is old school baseball. PItching and defense!!!! I love this.

Yawn. :(

Great job by Freddy and Backe. This is what old school baseball is all about. Pitching and defense. It's nice to see a game like this once in a while. This is real fundamental baseball (minus the baserunning and hitting LOL).

1-0 Chicago!

HERE WE GO TO THE 9TH!

PS: 22 minutes till my birthday. :D

I'm happy for Chicago, and I really just don't know what to think about the Astros. Backe did his job, but nobody else did theirs.

Talk about lack of run support...

What A Catch!!!!

Woah.. that was one hell of a catch.. :eek:

This Will End On My Birthday! Yayayayayaya

Midnight here on the East Coast. I'm now 23 :)

WHITE SOX WIN THE SERIES 1 MINUTE AFTER MIDNIGHT

Congratulations Chicago on winning the series and to Houston Astros for playing so well.

...and to Houston Astros for playing so well.

I think you're giving our hitters far too much credit.

Congrats to Jermane Dye for being named World Series MVP!

And Potaria, Defense counts as well.

Woah.. that was one hell of a catch.. :eek:

Outstanding wasn't it!
:D

Well played Chicago White Sox! Congratulations!

:::wanders off mumbling about the bet lost:::

Congrats to Jermane Dye for being named World Series MVP!

And Potaria, Defense counts as well.

True. Our hitters did step up, but when they did, Brad Lidge would ruin it.

I think the Astros have a chance of going to the World Series next year. Note that I didn't say they have a good chance.

I'm happy for Chicago, and I really just don't know what to think about the Astros. Backe did his job, but nobody else did theirs.

Talk about lack of run support...

I said from the beginning that I believed that was what it would come down to...Houston's lesser ability to give their pitcher run support.

Didn't count on Houston beating themselves in Game 3 though.

Read on for my full posting...

WHITE SOX WIN THE SERIES 1 MINUTE AFTER MIDNIGHT

Congratulations Chicago on winning the series and to Houston Astros for playing so well.

Thanks. Strangely, that makes me feel better. The acknowledgement that the 'Stros played well. Because looking at it as a SWEEP doesn't reflect the true level of play the 'Stros gave.

I'm happy for the White Sox...I wanted them to win...but I really didn't want a sweep.

Read on for my full post....

Well ... I didn't want a sweep like that. But at least we fought for it. There was no quarter given. The Sox had to fight for the victory. We didn't just lay down and die.

I said it early on in this thread and I'll say it again ... that was some damn fine baseball.

Congrats Sox ... but watch out next year. :D

Only thing that bums me out is now that we've taken the NLCS and gone to the Series, my precious $6 seats are now going to be $10. :(

Well, I didn't really want to see a sweep, because I love both teams, and it would be a lot happier for me had the 'Stros at least won ONE game in the World Series, but, at least all the games were close. The only game that sucked was Game 3, where the 'Stros freaking beat themselves.

Games 1 and 2 were great baseball...and Game 4 was the pitcher's duel we expected the entire Series to be.

Over a four-game sweep, the Sox only outscored the 'Stros by a total of 6 runs, so the 'Stros don't have much to be ashamed of here, either. If it was anyone other than the Sox, I think the 'Stros woulda won at least a game or two...but the Sox were just that damn good this year.

I know, Houston folks will be forever talking about the controversial hit-batsman call on Dye in Game 2 that was followed by the Konerko grand slam...but, I, as a 'Stros fan, am not going to go for that. The 'Stros played their hearts out in all but the third game, and I think they should be proud of what they accomplished. First pennant in franchise history. Keeping as close as they did to as awesome a team as the White Sox.

I don't want Houston folks to start sounding like Cub fans, blaming their loss on everyone but themselves. I'm a 20-year 'Stros fan, and a 34-year White Sox fan, as you all know, and I tell you that, except for Game 3, the 'Stros have nothing to be ashamed of here. Only in Game 3 did they beat themselves.

All the games were close. All but Game 3 were damn good games. Getting back to the call on Dye...The 'Stros were up 4-2 at that point, true enough. But what would Dye have done if the call was made correctly? He'd be back in the batter's box. Does he strike out? Does he draw a walk? Does he get a hit? We will never know.

Even so, that just loaded up the bases for Konerko, and there was nothing cheap about the moon shot he hit there, to put the Sox up 6-4.

Then, the 'Stros, ever the battlers, tie it up with 2 out in the ninth, off a clutch hit by Vizcaino. Then, the Podsednik homer in the bottom of the ninth, and the Sox win it 7-6.

If you put yourself in a position where one bad ump call can ruin your night, you deserve what you get. But I am not at all of the opinion that the Dye call made all that much difference, really.

After all, even assuming that Dye strikes out, then the 'Stros don't pinch-hit later on with Vizcaino. And the Sox may well win it on the Podsednik homer anyway. Maybe Dye hits a smash to score one or two runs. We don't know. But I don't want to represent Houston as a bunch of whiny, excuse-making Cub fan clones.

I'm very happy for the Sox winning the World Championship...I never thought I'd live to see it!! But here it is. Just wish they didn't have to do it in a SWEEP against the Astros!!

I just wish the Series coulda gone seven games, because here were the two teams I love most in the world...both in the Series for the first time in my life, and I wanted it to go as long as possible, but with ths Sox winning out in the end. And no blowouts, all close games. That was what I wanted, going in. I mostly got what I wanted. I just didn't get seven games or even one Astro victory. But at least they were all close, and most of them were GREAT games (Game 3 being the exception in my mind) and in that one, the 'Stros damn beat themselves, letting Ozzie and Company ravage them in that fifth inning!

Well, now...Cub fans...here it is...

Last Cub playoff appearance: 2003
Last Cub Pennant: 1945
Last Cub World Series Victory: 1908

Last White Sox playoff appearance: 2005
Last White Sox pennant: 2005
Last White Sox World Series Victory: 2005

Last Astro playoff appearance: 2005
Last Astro pennant: 2005

Guess we all know who are the good teams...and who it is that still SUCK!

And the reason the Cubs suck? They do not believe in themselves! They don't believe they can win! They whine and blame and point fingers. I won't have Houston folks doing that. At least not this one. That was a great Series. Just wish it coulda gone all seven games, or at least the 'Stros coulda won one or two games, but, at least there were no blowouts, and the 'Stros showed guts and never-say-die-ism the way the Cubs never have, never can, and never will!

I gotta hand it to the Sox, they really came through in the clutch, and that is what REALLY made the difference in this Series. I personally think Crede should have been the MVP, not Dye. Crede came thru with a lot of good clutch hits, and saved a lot of runs with brilliant defense. I think Crede gave the better show, all around, and shoulda been the MVP over Dye, but it isn't my opinion that matters.

One wonders, though, what the outcome might have been if the 'Stros had had Bagwell healthy, and been able to retain Beltran! We'll never know!

But a joyous day for my native South Side!!

Ironically...
Geoff Blum was traded BY the Astros a couple of years ago for....BRANDON BACKE!!!

I think you're giving our hitters far too much credit.
Your hitters weren't bad, the Sox pitchers are just that good.

If any Cub fans enter this thread I will repeatedly mock you with this chant:
1908!!!

If any Cub fans enter this thread I will repeatedly mock you with this chant:
1908!!!

You noticed I buried that in my own long post, too, did you??

Well, even my 'Stros are far better than the Cubs...and, of course, my White sox are WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

What a freaking awesome baseball year for me!

For the first time in my lifetime, I witness BOTH of my favorite teams in a World Series. Too bad it had to go only four games...

I think you're giving our hitters far too much credit.

Not really. The 'Stors still had to come back from being 15-30 at the beginning of June...and had to beat the Braves...and the Cardinals...just to get to where they got.

I still say Houston should be damn proud of what we accomplished this year. And to all the sorry-ass Ranger fans out there, remember always who first brought the World Series to Texas!!

Nice to see Sox fans can still get in cheap digs even in the middle of winning the Series. :rolleyes:

I'd like to offer some profound insight, but I'm a Royals fan. :(

<Anti-football rant>

Is this guy serious? Don't go me wrong, I respect other sports, I have, in fact, developed something of a recent taste in NFL and especially MLB, but why the attack on football (soccer, if that will appease you)?

We don't all go around abusing your sports (and we could, believe me)... just settle down. The world's big enough for all our sports. As long as you remember which sport is boss.

For what its worth (this is a baseball thread, after all)... although the ALCS and NLCS (correct any mistakes, please) have been very entertaining, IMO the past two World Series have been somewhat disappointing. I mean, its all well and good that the two Sox teams have won their first c'ships in 80-something years, but I don't think anyone (bar biased fans) would like a clean sweep compared to a seven-game thriller.

I don't know... good, entertaining stuff though (high praise from a European)...

YES! Sox won, and they made it before the centennial of their last Series win (Cubs).

You have already been banned from this thread. Now, leave, or I call the Mods back. You are not elcome here.

As to the rest of you talking sumb-ass SUCCER...take and make your own thread and talk about SUCCER till you turn bloue in the face, this thread is about the only REAL sport...baseball. And it is a real sport because it is an AMERICAN sport.

America doesn't like SUCCER. Ever notice, of all the major team sports in the world, the only one that does not have a league in America is SUCCER? And why?? Because SUCCER sucks! Americans don't like SUCCER, it is a dumb "sport."

We have hockey, we have basketball, we have REAL football, and we have baseball...all of whom have leagues here in America, and have a fan base to support them. But SUCCER consistently fails in America, because we know a dumb "sport" when we see one.

Firstly, it is real football because you actually use your feet

Secondly, just because it is an American sport, does not make it any better

Thirdly, I am not even talking about football, I am talking about how the world series cannot be called world accurately, as the vast majority of the teams are American

Fourthly, this view of yours that Amercian sport is best, and America is best etc only confirms what everyone thinks about Americans, that they constantly view themselves as supireor and dont care about anyone else. I have not at any stage said that the world cup and football in general is superior to the world series in terms of it being a sport. I have however said that the term "World" is more accurately applied to the "World cup" than it is the "World series"

Olara']I'd like to offer some profound insight, but I'm a Royals fan. :(

SWEET!!! Another Royals fan :)

I'm a KC Royals fan myself Olara :)

Firstly, it is real football because you actually use your feet

Secondly, just because it is an American sport, does not make it any better

Thirdly, I am not even talking about football, I am talking about how the world series cannot be called world accurately, as the vast majority of the teams are American

Fourthly, this view of yours that Amercian sport is best, and America is best etc only confirms what everyone thinks about Americans, that they constantly view themselves as supireor and dont care about anyone else. I have not at any stage said that the world cup and football in general is superior to the world series in terms of it being a sport. I have however said that the term "World" is more accurately applied to the "World cup" than it is the "World series"

Firstly, you have already been banned from this thread.

Secondly, I already said I was going to report to Mods if you didn't leave.

Thirdly, I'm on my way to doing that right now.

You have been politely asked, a number of times, to leave, and you continue to refuse to do so.

Avalon II and Lyric,

Please stop attacking one another. It is pointless and its just going to get you 2 into trouble.

Fourthly, this view of yours that Amercian sport is best, and America is best etc only confirms what everyone thinks about Americans, that they constantly view themselves as supireor and dont care about anyone else.


Apologies for Lyric....there's certainly nothing wrong with football/soccer. As a matter of fact, there are a great many soccer leagues for children these days in the US. And the more those are out there, the more children will grow into adults that are fans, and it will continue to spread.

Personally, I think baseball is a waste--full of whiny bitches who, every four or five years threaten to strike because the salaries aren't enough per year (minimum salary--$316,000, average salary--$2,632,655), for PLAYING A FREAKING GAME, instead of keeping the actual infrastructure running. Do they have to work to maintain the ability to play these games? Yes. But are they creating a new fuel source--no way. Those guys get paid less.

And it's SLOW.


I have not at any stage said that the world cup and football in general is superior to the world series in terms of it being a sport. I have however said that the term "World" is more accurately applied to the "World cup" than it is the "World series"

I always thought it was a misnomer--it's more of an American (though due to Montreal and Toronto being in the mix, North American) series.

Apologies for Lyric....there's certainly nothing wrong with football/soccer. As a matter of fact, there are a great many soccer leagues for children these days in the US. And the more those are out there, the more children will grow into adults that are fans, and it will continue to spread.

Personally, I think baseball is a waste--full of whiny bitches who, every four or five years threaten to strike because the salaries aren't enough per year (minimum salary--$316,000, average salary--$2,632,655), for PLAYING A FREAKING GAME, instead of keeping the actual infrastructure running. Do they have to work to maintain the ability to play these games? Yes. But are they creating a new fuel source--no way. Those guys get paid less.

And it's SLOW.



I always thought it was a misnomer--it's more of an American (though due to Montreal and Toronto being in the mix, North American) series.

You see, Lyric, how mych more amenable a reasonable conversation is, in place of labellling a game "SUCCER". Fantastic insult, I wis I had your intellectual capacity.

You see, Lyric, how mych more amenable a reasonable conversation is, in place of labellling a game "SUCCER". Fantastic insult, I wis I had your intellectual capacity.

Lyric and I have had our bouts in the past, but she can be reasoned with when she's not pissed off. Unfortunately, she gets pissed easily--very agressive, too.

BUT, in her defense, her life hasn't been all puppies and fluffballs.

Lyric and I have had our bouts in the past, but she can be reasoned with when she's not pissed off. Unfortunately, she gets pissed easily--very agressive, too.

BUT, in her defense, her life hasn't been all puppies and fluffballs.

I suppose not, I dont know really, she just seems a bit aggressive and blinded by her patriotism.

Firstly, you have already been banned from this thread.

Funny, it doesnt seem to be in effect. And I have already corrected the mod for his error


Secondly, I already said I was going to report to Mods if you didn't leave.

Thirdly, I'm on my way to doing that right now.

Ok fine. Since I havent broken any of the forum rules, you'll be wasting your time


You have been politely asked, a number of times, to leave, and you continue to refuse to do so.

You have done nothing but insult me for a great period of time. I am entitled to discuss the nature of the World Series as much as I like and in whatever manner I like seing as this thread is about the world series. I am not saying baseball is evil and that football is better. What I am saying is that football's "world cup" more accurately uses the term world than does baseballs "world series"

Nice to see Sox fans can still get in cheap digs even in the middle of winning the Series. :rolleyes:
Sorry, but The Cub fans in the media like Jay Moronotti seem to invite it on the rest of you. Most of my Cub fan friends were telling me 3 and out for the Sox before the ALDS!! GUESS WHO WAS WRONG!!!!!!

Love Rooney's call:
"1-2 pitch to Palmeiro. Ground ball past Jenks up the middle of the infield, Uribe has it. He thros!!! OUT!!!! OUT!!!!! A WHITE SOX WINNER AND A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! THE WHITE SOX HAVE WON THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!"

I suppose not, I dont know really, she just seems a bit aggressive and blinded by her patriotism.

Patriot?? Me?? Ya gotta be kidding, right? I love my country, but you oughta hear me go off on our government!!

That said, it just pisses me off when I'm trying to enjoy a thread about a sport I love, and some whiny-assed Europeans come in to argue about the freaking semantics of what we call it. It's freaking STUPID. Get the hell over yourselves, Europe! You don't get to be included in everything!

Go field a team from just your own country, and we will send the White Sox to clean your clocks...and that will prove that they are, in fact, WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

The White Sox, that I know of, represent at least five different countries on their team...America, Cuba (Contreras,) Japan (Iguchi,) The dominican Republic (Vizcaino,) and manager Ozzie Guillen, a former White Sox shortstop is from Venezuela! Fact is...again...THE BEST FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD play in our leagues, and thus, the title World Series is entirely appropriate. Our sport of baseball IS NOT...I REPEAT...IS NOT set up like World Cup SUCCER, nor should it be.

If you have the money to field a team, and attract the kind of talent that will allow you to compete at the level required in our leagues to be a contending team...then field such a team, and apply to join our leagues. If they turn you down, then bitch about it. Until you could field a competitive team that stood a chance of contention in our leagues, don't bitch about us calling it THE WORLD SERIES, because, as I have said numerous times, our leagues represent the best available talent from the world over, regardless of where the team is based.

So what, they are the CHICAGO White Sox. Not everyone on the team is FROM CHICAGO!!! They are from all over the world! So, the point is, get over yourselves, and quit ruining a thread by arguing fucking semantics, when I want to talk BASEBALL.

Patriot?? Me?? Ya gotta be kidding, right? I love my country, but you oughta hear me go off on our government!!

That said, it just pisses me off when I'm trying to enjoy a thread about a sport I love, and some whiny-assed Europeans come in to argue about the freaking semantics of what we call it. It's freaking STUPID. Get the hell over yourselves, Europe! You don't get to be included in everything!

Go field a team from just your own country, and we will send the White Sox to clean your clocks...and that will prove that they are, in fact, WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

The White Sox, that I know of, represent at least five different countries on their team...America, Cuba (Contreras,) Japan (Iguchi,) The dominican Republic (Vizcaino,) and manager Ozzie Guillen, a former White Sox shortstop is from Venezuela! Fact is...again...THE BEST FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD play in our leagues, and thus, the title World Series is entirely appropriate. Our sport of baseball IS NOT...I REPEAT...IS NOT set up like World Cup SUCCER, nor should it be.

If you have the money to field a team, and attract the kind of talent that will allow you to compete at the level required in our leagues to be a contending team...then field such a team, and apply to join our leagues. If they turn you down, then bitch about it. Until you could field a competitive team that stood a chance of contention in our leagues, don't bitch about us calling it THE WORLD SERIES, because, as I have said numerous times, our leagues represent the best available talent from the world over, regardless of where the team is based.

So what, they are the CHICAGO White Sox. Not everyone on the team is FROM CHICAGO!!! They are from all over the world! So, the point is, get over yourselves, and quit ruining a thread by arguing fucking semantics, when I want to talk BASEBALL.

You do make a fair point, in a semi-hysterical, enraged and cliched american manner. I merely object to it being labelled the world series when it contains only American teams. I believe more of thr world is present in the Premeirship, however it is not the world league, since other such leagues are in existence. I assume it is merely the machinations of different sports. Incidentally, have you observed the Champions League (European champions my arse Liverpool:) ), it contains the best players the globe has to offer, and yet it contrives to be modest in its title.

Incidentally, I do implore you to stop referring to football as SUCCER, it somewhat detracts from the hysterical maturity of your argument.

That said, it just pisses me off when I'm trying to enjoy a thread about a sport I love, and some whiny-assed Europeans come in to argue about the freaking semantics of what we call it. It's freaking STUPID. Get the hell over yourselves, Europe! You don't get to be included in everything!

Europe is part of the world, and you call your sport the world series. However Europe does not play. Ergo you shouldnt call your sport's tournement the world series. On the otherhand, in football virtually every country in the world has a team and so the tournment is called the "world cup"


Go field a team from just your own country, and we will send the White Sox to clean your clocks...and that will prove that they are, in fact, WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!

Untill such time, they are not, so please refrain from refering to yourselves as such. North American champions certianly, but not world.


The White Sox, that I know of, represent at least five different countries on their team...America, Cuba (Contreras,) Japan (Iguchi,) The dominican Republic (Vizcaino,) and manager Ozzie Guillen, a former White Sox shortstop is from Venezuela! Fact is...again...THE BEST FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD play in our leagues, and thus, the title World Series is entirely appropriate. Our sport of baseball IS NOT...I REPEAT...IS NOT set up like World Cup SUCCER, nor should it be.

To be called a world series, it stands to reason that every country in the world should have equal chance to participate. At present, America has the vast advantage as most of the teams come from there. This is unfair if you wish to call the sport a "world" series. There should be the same number of teams from every country so as to give all participating countries equal chance to win. The world may be represented in your players, but that does not make it a world series.


If you have the money to field a team, and attract the kind of talent that will allow you to compete at the level required in our leagues to be a contending team...then field such a team, and apply to join our leagues. If they turn you down, then bitch about it. Until you could field a competitive team that stood a chance of contention in our leagues, don't bitch about us calling it THE WORLD SERIES, because, as I have said numerous times, our leagues represent the best available talent from the world over, regardless of where the team is based.

That does not qualify the world series as being a world tournment for several reasons

1. It is not about the players, it is about the teams. At present the vast majority of the teams in the world series are American. America is not the world

2. Other countries do not have an equal chance of winning since most of the teams come from America. There should be an equal number of teams from all particapiting nations if it is to be callec a world series.

You do make a fair point, in a semi-hysterical, enraged and cliched american manner. I merely object to it being labelled the world series when it contains only American teams. I believe more of thr world is present in the Premeirship, however it is not the world league, since other such leagues are in existence. I assume it is merely the machinations of different sports. Incidentally, have you observed the Champions League (European champions my arse Liverpool:) ), it contains the best players the globe has to offer, and yet it contrives to be modest in its title.

Incidentally, I do implore you to stop referring to football as SUCCER, it somewhat detracts from the hysterical maturity of your argument.

certainly couldn't have put that better myself! Baseball's all very well and good, but there's no need to pretend a contest is bigger than it actually is.

Funny, it doesnt seem to be in effect. And I have already corrected the mod for his error
No, the moderator was not in error, you were. And to say that the moderator was wrong in telling to you stop hijacking the thread in extremely inconsiderate.



Ok fine. Since I havent broken any of the forum rules, you'll be wasting your time

Yes, you have. You've hijacked a thread about the World Series, and a discussion of it; not a thread about why it is called the "World" Series. You continued to do so after a moderator told you to leave the thread; therefore...
Avalon II: Official Warning for Hijacking/Trolling



You have done nothing but insult me for a great period of time. I am entitled to discuss the nature of the World Series as much as I like and in whatever manner I like seing as this thread is about the world series. I am not saying baseball is evil and that football is better. What I am saying is that football's "world cup" more accurately uses the term world than does baseballs "world series"
Which you can take to another thread, because it is a discussion that doesn't belong here. So now, you will leave this thread.

You have already been banned from this thread. Now, leave, or I call the Mods back. You are not elcome here.

As to the rest of you talking sumb-ass SUCCER...take and make your own thread and talk about SUCCER till you turn bloue in the face, this thread is about the only REAL sport...baseball. And it is a real sport because it is an AMERICAN sport.

America doesn't like SUCCER. Ever notice, of all the major team sports in the world, the only one that does not have a league in America is SUCCER? And why?? Because SUCCER sucks! Americans don't like SUCCER, it is a dumb "sport."

We have hockey, we have basketball, we have REAL football, and we have baseball...all of whom have leagues here in America, and have a fan base to support them. But SUCCER consistently fails in America, because we know a dumb "sport" when we see one.

You tell others to leave the thread, which is understandable because of the off-topic posts; however, your continued insults towards Europeans is not appreciated. If you want people to keep on the same discussion (the World Series), use a less offensive manner in saying what you want to say, so cool it Lyric.

off-topic posts.

Exactly how is a discussion of the world series nature off topic in a thread about the world series

Exactly how is a discussion of the world series nature off topic in a thread about the world series

Avaoln, cool it before you get yourself banned. Two mods have now told you to stop and you corrected one which was a huge mistake. Don't push the envelope.

No, the moderator was not in error, you were. And to say that the moderator was wrong in telling to you stop hijacking the thread in extremely inconsiderate.


He was wrong. He implied that what I was doing was saying "baseball is evil" which is not what I was saying. Therfore I made a correction. It is not incosiderate at all

Which you can take to another thread, because it is a discussion that doesn't belong here. So now, you will leave this thread.

As of yet you have failed to prove that beyond resonable doubt, only in so far as there are those that disagree with me. This thread is about the world seires, I am discussing the world series. I fail to see how it is off topic or hijacking

He was wrong. He implied that what I was doing was saying "baseball is evil" which is not what I was saying. Therfore I made a correction. It is not incosiderate at all

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Let it go. Just walk away, Avalon.

As of yet you have failed to prove that beyond resonable doubt, only in so far as there are those that disagree with me. This thread is about the world seires, I am discussing the world series. I fail to see how it is off topic or hijacking

They don't have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. This isn't a democracy, or trial by jury. The mods say jump and you jump.

Or, you get pushed.

They don't have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. This isn't a democracy, or trial by jury. The mods say jump and you jump.

Or, you get pushed.

Kind of unfair. A thread is made about the world series, I discuss the world series and get accused of hijacking. Ok so I am not discussing it in conventional fashion, but what is life if we cant be uncoventional & inventive

Kind of unfair. A thread is made about the world series, I discuss the world series and get accused of hijacking. Ok so I am not discussing it in conventional fashion, but what is life if we cant be uncoventional & inventive

It's about this specific world series. If you want to make a thread about how it shouldn't be called the World Series, about, how football (the real one) is a better game, about how Americans show a tendency to believe the world revolves around them (particularly American baseball fans), then go and do that. But for the love of god, just leave this thread the hell alone.

As of yet you have failed to prove that beyond resonable doubt, only in so far as there are those that disagree with me. This thread is about the world seires, I am discussing the world series. I fail to see how it is off topic or hijacking

Avalon, your really asking for it. Please stop and listen to the mods and leave please?

Congrats to all Sox fans...

To White Sox fans, I salute you.
Wow, two Soxes winning the world series and two losing records broken in just two years. The way things are looking the Cubs will win it next year....

To White Sox fans, I salute you.
Wow, two Soxes winning the world series and two losing records broken in just two years. The way things are looking the Cubs will win it next year....

I wouldn't place money on that if I were you :D

You tell others to leave the thread, which is understandable because of the off-topic posts; however, your continued insults towards Europeans is not appreciated. If you want people to keep on the same discussion (the World Series), use a less offensive manner in saying what you want to say, so cool it Lyric.

Right. Understand. Hey, again, I do apologize, it was just getting REAL frustrating going thru the same thing like, about eight times! One can only bang their head against the brick wall for so long. Thanks for taking care of this for us, Euro.

As of yet you have failed to prove that beyond resonable doubt, only in so far as there are those that disagree with me. This thread is about the world seires, I am discussing the world series. I fail to see how it is off topic or hijacking

What part of PLEASE LEAVE do you not understand?

You are leaving me no choice....

Kind of unfair. A thread is made about the world series, I discuss the world series and get accused of hijacking. Ok so I am not discussing it in conventional fashion, but what is life if we cant be uncoventional & inventive

You are being neither. You are just being aggravating, and you know it.

There are people on this thread who want to discuss the Series, and the games, and not have to explain shit to you eight times. Now go away. I'm not putting up with you anymore. You have twice been asked by Mods to leave. Do you really want to push it?

Congratulations to the WhiteSox. They had the better team and deserved it no question.

Ok fine. Since I havent broken any of the forum rules, you'll be wasting your time
Having at least TWO moderators tell you to stop posting in this thread, and still posting in this thread, doesn't count as "breaking forum rules"?

Fine. Don't post in the FORUMS for a week. Forumbanned.

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Corneliu's in trouble? :D

What did I miss?

Corneliu's in trouble? :D

What did I miss?
I'm in trouble?

I'm in trouble?

You're in trouble!?

I'm in trouble?

You're always in trouble... [/innuendo]

You're always in trouble... [/innuendo]

No I'm not. That's slander. I'll sue.

I'm in trouble?
I don't know. You tell me. I just got here.

No I'm not. That's slander. I'll sue.

Don't make me sic my lawyers on you! They bite!

Just to answer Blessed Chris's question about a possible world cup set-up.

Any baseball fan would tell you that is impossible as you can't have 1 game determine who advances. The reason is pitching match-ups. There is a reason the World Series and ALCS are 7 games each, it is to make up for the guaranteed match-ups where the best team can lose because their #4 starter is lined up against the #1 starter of the other team. You need to go through the whole rotation to truly gauge who is the better team. The White Sox clearly were the better team this year. 1-4, their starters dominated greats like Clemens, Pettite, and Oswalt. Even Backe pitched a good game for the Stros, but when Lidge sucked, he sucked bad and the Sox won.

Oh and another question, does anyone know when the Sox are returning to Chicago? I know they've had mini rallies at 63rd and Laramie right outside Midway to great the team on each of their returns since clinching the AL Central.

Oh, and does anyone think the Sox will keep Konerko? I sure hope so, I'd HATE to see him in Skankee pin stripes.

I'm missing something here, I don't see how Corny is in trouble.

Just to answer Blessed Chris's question about a possible world cup set-up.

Any baseball fan would tell you that is impossible as you can't have 1 game determine who advances. The reason is pitching match-ups. There is a reason the World Series and ALCS are 7 games each, it is to make up for the guaranteed match-ups where the best team can lose because their #4 starter is lined up against the #1 starter of the other team. You need to go through the whole rotation to truly gauge who is the better team. The White Sox clearly were the better team this year. 1-4, their starters dominated greats like Clemens, Pettite, and Oswalt. Even Backe pitched a good game for the Stros, but when Lidge sucked, he sucked bad and the Sox won.

Oh and another question, does anyone know when the Sox are returning to Chicago? I know they've had mini rallies at 63rd and Laramie right outside Midway to great the team on each of their returns since clinching the AL Central.

Oh, and does anyone think the Sox will keep Konerko? I sure hope so, I'd HATE to see him in Skankee pin stripes.


Kinda makes me wish I were back in Chicago for this...used to live at 60th and Dorchester, just off the Midway Plaisance. I still remember ice-skating there every year, after they would fill and freeze the Midway for the winter. I'm probably one of very few kids who learned to ice-skate before learning how to roller skate!

I still remember wearing ankle weights from August until the start of ice-skating, usually early December, just to build up my ankles so I could ice skate.

Next year the Blue Jays will win it all... :D





/me crosses fingers

Don't make me sic my lawyers on you! They bite!

So do mine :D

Next year the Blue Jays will win it all... :D





/me crosses fingers

Hey, didn't they already win one? Back in 1993? Seems I remember something about Joe Carter cracking one off of old Mitch Williams to end the Series in six games, no?

I remember it, because we ended up with that dog in Houston for a little while. Mitch, I mean. Although...in fairness, Mitch DID do good in the regular season of 1993. I'm hoping Lidge didn't get Mitch Williams Disease!

They won it twice in a row. As a matter of fact they're probably the only team in baseball history, to win the world series twice and having been champions for three years. They won it in 92 and 93, and 94 the players strike kicked in.

The 93 Blue Jay team was possibly the best ballclub I ever got the chance to watch live.

1B John Olerud hit 363 that year. That's three - six - three.
2B Roberto Alomar at the height of his carreer. Hit 320+
SS Tony Fernandez. Great shortstop. great fielder and hit 300+
3B Ed Sprague. Solid .260 10+ HR 70RBIs hitter and he batted 8th. :D
RF Joe Carter. :D
CF Devon White. The best defensive Centre Fielder of his time. batted 270+ with good power.
LF Rickey Henderson. Thee... Rickey Henderson...
C Pat Borders.
DH Paul Molitor. Had career year.

Pitching rotation:
Juan Guzman
Pat Hentgen
Dave Stewart - death stare included
Al Leiter
Todd Stottlemeyer.

Bullpen:
Duane Ward
Danny Cox
Mark Eichorn.

Al Leiter, thats going back a while...:p

No I'm not. That's slander. I'll sue.

"Slander! I resent that, Parker! If I publish it, it's LIBEL, not slander!"

Gotta love Spiderman quotes. :D

In 92 we had a weaker team. At least in my opinion.

At DH we had Dave Winfield instead of Molitor. Molitor batted 330+ while winfield hit 280+ 26 HR and 100+RBI.

At SS we had the pitiful Manny Lee instead of the superb Tony Fernandez.

At 3B we had Kelly Gruber. Sprague had a great year in 93 but Gruber struggled all season long at the plate. He did come through in World series though. As a fielder Gruber was great.

In LF we had 270+ 20HR candy manldonado instead of Rickey Henderson wreaking havoc on the bases.

The pitching staff was probably much better in 92 though. Our rotation was something like...

Jack Morris :D
David Cone... thee david cone.
Juan Guzman 16-5 and 2.64 on the season.
Jimmy Key
David Boomer Wells... yes pitching 5th.

We also had the best bullpen in baseball led by Tom Henke as the closer.

"Slander! I resent that, Parker! If I publish it, it's LIBEL, not slander!"

Gotta love Spiderman quotes. :D

Either which way, I'll sue him and you too if your not carefull :p

Either which way, I'll sue him and you too if your not carefull :p

Well, I'll Double sue you!

Eat that, Corny!

Well, I'll Double sue you!

Eat that, Corny!

I'll infinitely sue you.

Now I know you can't top that islander.

I'll infinitely sue you.

Now I know you can't top that islander.

I'll infinity plus one sue you!

Pwnage!

I'll infinity plus one sue you!

Pwnage!

Sorry but infinitely is forever. There is no plus one :D

Sorry but infinitely is forever. There is no plus one :D

Well, I'm the Math god, so I made one.

Bow before my mathiness!

From an avid Astros fan, my congratulations to the Sox. They played a fine Series. And with that, I'll adjourn. I'm going into mourning now ...:(

They won it twice in a row. As a matter of fact they're probably the only team in baseball history, to win the world series twice and having been champions for three years. They won it in 92 and 93, and 94 the players strike kicked in.

Incorrect. This has happened many times.
1906-1908 the Cubs were champions, and they won the Series in 1907 and 1908.
1920-1924 the New York Giants were champions, and they won the Series in 1921 and 1922.
1926-1928 the New York Yankess were champions, and they won the Series in 1927 and 1928.
1929-1931 the Philadelphia Athletics were champions, and they won the Series in 1929 and 1930.
1936-1939, the New York Yankees won the Series every year (4 years in a row.)
1949-1953 the New York Yankees won the Series every year (5 years in a row.)
1960-1964 the New York Yankees were champions, and they won the Series in 1961 and 1962.
In 1972-1974 the Oakland A's won the Series all three years.
In 1976-1978 the New York Yankees were champions, and they won the Series in 1977 and 1978.
As you correctly mention, the next time for a repeat was 1992-1993 with the Blue Jays.
In 1998-2001, the New York Yankees were champions, and they won the Series three years in a row, from 1998-2000.


The 93 Blue Jay team was possibly the best ballclub I ever got the chance to watch live.

1B John Olerud hit 363 that year. That's three - six - three.
2B Roberto Alomar at the height of his carreer. Hit 320+
SS Tony Fernandez. Great shortstop. great fielder and hit 300+
3B Ed Sprague. Solid .260 10+ HR 70RBIs hitter and he batted 8th. :D
RF Joe Carter. :D
CF Devon White. The best defensive Centre Fielder of his time. batted 270+ with good power.
LF Rickey Henderson. Thee... Rickey Henderson...
C Pat Borders.
DH Paul Molitor. Had career year.

Pitching rotation:
Juan Guzman
Pat Hentgen
Dave Stewart - death stare included
Al Leiter
Todd Stottlemeyer.

Bullpen:
Duane Ward
Danny Cox
Mark Eichorn.
It was, indeed, a very good team in 1993. But, being as they beat out my White Sox for the pennant in 1993, I was none too pleased to see them win the Series that year!

They won it twice in a row. As a matter of fact they're probably the only team in baseball history, to win the world series twice and having been champions for three years. They won it in 92 and 93, and 94 the players strike kicked in.


Stop me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember the Montreal Expos also having an awesome year in '94 before the strike, and the buzz was that there might be an all-Canada World Series?

From an avid Astros fan, my congratulations to the Sox. They played a fine Series. And with that, I'll adjourn. I'm going into mourning now ...:(
Well, as a long time fan of BOTH teams, let me first console you. Myself being a 20-year fan of the Astros...this was tough. See, I'm also a lifelong fan of the White Sox!!
The way it worked is...I was born on the south Side of Chicago, so Sox fan by birth...then, my family moved to Texas when I was a teenager.
So, I have been a Sox fan for 34 years, and an Astros fan for 20.

For me, this was the Series of dreams, because, for the first time in my lifetime, a team I love won a pennant. Better still, BOTH teams I love won their respective pennants, in the same year!!

In the end, I was rooting for a Sox victory (sorry, been a fan longer) but, I sure as hell didn't want to see a sweep, so it was a bit bitter for me.

On the other hand, the 'Stros played some awesome ball, and Series sweep doesn't adequately convey the level of ball that was played. Remember that, over four games, the Sox only outscored Houston by SIX RUNS TOTAL.

And ya gotta walk before you can fly. Can't skip steps. Last year, Houston won it's first postseason series. This year, Houston won it's first pennant. Maybe next year Houston wins it's first Series??

Or, at least, maybe next time Houston gets to the Series, they win it?

Let's just hope it don't take another 44 years...or even another 20!

Sincerely, as one Astro fan to another, we played a hell of a Series. The Sox were just better. If it'd been anyone else, Houston would won a few games, and maybe even the Series, but I doubt the 1927 Yankees coulda beat this Sox team, they really were THAT good, and they took advantage of every opportunity, and they got every break. GOD couldn't have beaten them. And Houston held them to a total of only a six run advantage over four games. That tells a lot more of the incredible level of play Houston gave...than to say that the Sox swept them in the Series.

But a Sox victory woulda felt a lot better to me, had Houston won a couple...being as I'm a long-term fan of both teams.

From an avid Astros fan, my congratulations to the Sox. They played a fine Series. And with that, I'll adjourn. I'm going into mourning now ...:(
And may I also point out that it is because of this kind of class...that the Astros will be back....and the Cubs won't.
The Cubs whine and complain, and blame everyone and everything but themselves, because they do not believe that they CAN win.
I knew I could count on Houston to show some class, and not be cub-fan clones.
Houston's gonna be "Backe," trust me!

Imagine if, God forbid...we'd had Baggy healthy, and had managed to keep Beltran! Holy goodnight, I think it mighta made the difference! But, that's fate, that's management, and that's the way it is. none of which detracts from the excellent play of the Sox. And the true story of this Series is not that the 'Stros were swept...but that they held the Sox to only a six-run total advantage, spread over four games. I don't think many other teams coulda managed that!

*snip*

Not to start a fight here, but what Canada6 is actually correct. Toronto was the only team to when 2 series in a row and be champions for 3 years. Remember that there was no world series in 1994 thus making Toronto the de facto champion because they were already world series champions.

I believe that was what Canada6 was saying.

Hey, didn't they already win one? Back in 1993? Seems I remember something about Joe Carter cracking one off of old Mitch Williams to end the Series in six games, no?

I remember it, because we ended up with that dog in Houston for a little while. Mitch, I mean. Although...in fairness, Mitch DID do good in the regular season of 1993. I'm hoping Lidge didn't get Mitch Williams Disease!
1993 pissed me off. It was the 1st year I was a Sox fan. I was almost 6 when I became one. The Sox lost the ALCS 2-4. Blackjack McDowellgot shelled in both of his starts, but it was later revealed that he was tipping his pitches. If he did not tip his pitches, he wouldn't have gone 0-2 with a 10+ ERA. I think the Sox would've won that series 4-2 if the Jays didn't know what pitch was coming next,

Not to start a fight here, but what Canada6 is actually correct. Toronto was the only team to when 2 series in a row and be champions for 3 years. Remember that there was no world series in 1994 thus making Toronto the de facto champion because they were already world series champions.

I believe that was what Canada6 was saying.
1994 Champions my ass!!! The Sox were in 1st place over the fricken Tribe when the season ended. They had a bad start, but they caught on fire in summer and were on a roll. They would've won it all too

It was, indeed, a very good team in 1993. But, being as they beat out my White Sox for the pennant in 1993, I was none too pleased to see them win the Series that year!:D Well if it's any consolation, you lost to the best team in baseball that year.

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember the Montreal Expos also having an awesome year in '94 before the strike, and the buzz was that there might be an all-Canada World Series?Nah... the Jays were really, really awfull in 94. We would've never made the playoffs.
Not to start a fight here, but what Canada6 is actually correct. Toronto was the only team to when 2 series in a row and be champions for 3 years. Remember that there was no world series in 1994 thus making Toronto the de facto champion because they were already world series champions.

I believe that was what Canada6 was saying.Correctamundo.


Could anybody tell me if there is a tendency for AL teams to beat the NL teams more often? I think the AL DH rule is a huge advantage. Personally I think both leagues should adopt the NL rule. No DH. The pitcher goes to bat.
I think it would make for a more entertaining game.

Not to start a fight here, but what Canada6 is actually correct. Toronto was the only team to when 2 series in a row and be champions for 3 years. Remember that there was no world series in 1994 thus making Toronto the de facto champion because they were already world series champions.

I believe that was what Canada6 was saying.

Nevertheless, the Oakland A's, The Philadelphia Athletics both won 3 World Series's in a row, and the New York Yankess have won five in a row.

That was my point.

Nevertheless, the Oakland A's, The Philadelphia Athletics both won 3 World Series's in a row, and the New York Yankess have won five in a row.

That was my point.

But the point is though, they may have won three in a row, but they had to win it conventionally. Meaning they actually had to play to win it. The Blue Jays didn't and they are technically champions from 1992-1994 due to the strike that transpired after the All-Star Break of 1994.

The Blue Jays, to my knowledge, are the only team to win three titles while playing in 2. That was the point Canada6 was making.

:D Well if it's any consolation, you lost to the best team in baseball that year.

Nah... the Jays were really, really awfull in 94. We would've never made the playoffs.
Correctamundo.


Could anybody tell me if there is a tendency for AL teams to beat the NL teams more often? I think the AL DH rule is a huge advantage. Personally I think both leagues should adopt the NL rule. No DH. The pitcher goes to bat.
I think it would make for a more entertaining game.

Oh, I see what you are saying. Because there WAS no 94 Champ, technically, the Jays carry the title for an extra year.
Well, anyway, they still are not the only team to be World Champions for three years in a row, as my chronology shows times where the Yankess won 5 times in a row, and four times in a row...as well as the Philadelphia Atletics, and the Oakland A's having won three in a row.

But I see what Canada was getting at now.

Nevretheless, had there BEEN a postseason in 1994, the Jays would not have even made it, according to Canada, but they keep the title anyway, by default.

Yeah, 1994 really sucked, because of the lack of a postseason.

It really pissed me off. Yeah, the Sox were good that year, and I do remember Montreal being very good that year, too.

By the way, the AL has won the Series more often than the NL.

And the DH rule only came into existence in 1973. Prior to that, pitchers batted in the AL as well.

Through 2005, the AL has won 60 W.S. and the NL has won 41.
Now, if you take only from 1972, to the beginning of the Series, in 1903 (there was no Series in 1904, by the way) then, the AL has won 41 Series, and the NL has won 28.

I think the reason the AL wins more is that the AL is a more offense-based league, whereas the NL concentrates more on pitching and defense. Historically, anyway. And having the New York Yankees in your league sure helps!! At least in terms of adding to the number of series won. The Yankees alone have won 26 World Series Titles since 1903. And 20 of those were prior to 1973, and the advent of the DH.

Now, if one was to take the best teams from each league, historically, the Yankees get the AL crown, hands down. The National League, you would have to be somewhat split, in terms that the Dodgers (Brooklyn and LA,) have won 18 pennants, the Giants (NY and SF,) have won 17 pennants, and the St. Louis Cardinals have won 16. Of those three teams, however, the Cardinals won the most Series Titles, with 9.

So, taking away the best two of both leagues, just for an argument sake...the AL totally would have won 60-26, or 34 Series Titles, and the NL would have won 41-9 or 32 Series Titles, making them close to even.

Now, going just one step further, and taking away the wins of those two teams since the advent of the DH...
you start with 41AL versus 28NL Titles, take away 20 from the AL, and you take away 8 from the Cardinals, you are left with 21 for the AL, and 20 for the NL...still almost an even split.

So, you see, having the Yankees in the AL really seems to have helped the AL reach it's apparent dominance in terms of Series Titles.

Anyway, I'm not sure it makes much difference, at this point, because, I believe that, until VERY recently, the DH rule was suspended in WS play...then later changed to allow for a DH in AL parks, and no DH when playing in an NL park, thus, AL pitchers batted in the Series only, and not during the regular season, which I think would give a decided advantage to the NL, as their pitchers were accustomed to hitting, and the AL pitchers weren't. Similarly, the NL managers were more knowledgeable of the strategies involved in the double-switch, to avoid the pitcher hitting as long as possible.

Let me check, right quick, with my factbook, concerning DH use in the W.S.....
I was right, it was not until 1976 that the DH was used in World Series play.

Therefore, the 1973, 1974, and 1975 champs would have to be added to league totals to find the split between pre-and post-DH usage.
We started with 41AL ans 28NL, add two for the AL and one for the NL, and we get 43 for the AL and 29 for the NL, pre-DH use.

Thus, post-DH use, the totals are 17 for the AL, and 12 for the NL.

And that is probably more than you ever wanted to know about the effects of the DH rule on World Series Titles!

But the point is though, they may have won three in a row, but they had to win it conventionally. Meaning they actually had to play to win it. The Blue Jays didn't and they are technically champions from 1992-1994 due to the strike that transpired after the All-Star Break of 1994.

The Blue Jays, to my knowledge, are the only team to win three titles while playing in 2. That was the point Canada6 was making.

Yeah...I got that...after picking my way throu the convoluted grammar and logic, I finally did understand the point he was making. MY point was simply that the Jays were not the only team in history to hold the title for three (or more) consecutive years.

Anyway, I'm reasearched out at the moment, a lot of the stats I came up with in my last post were not easy to come by.

1993 pissed me off. It was the 1st year I was a Sox fan. I was almost 6 when I became one. The Sox lost the ALCS 2-4. Blackjack McDowellgot shelled in both of his starts, but it was later revealed that he was tipping his pitches. If he did not tip his pitches, he wouldn't have gone 0-2 with a 10+ ERA. I think the Sox would've won that series 4-2 if the Jays didn't know what pitch was coming next,To this day, I still haven't forgiven Cito Gaston for not bringing Mike Mussina into the game when they had the All Star game in freaking BALTIMORE. And I'm a Nats fan now and because he moved to the Yankees, I hate Mussina now.

CITO SUCKS!

:D

Cito was often hammered by the Toronto sports media. Even when we were winning. He was layed back, rarely pulled freak plays, like double steals, etc, plus he had trouble with some pitchers. Namely David Wells and Todd Stottlemeyer.

I for one am a huge fan of sticking with the same batting order game after game. He did that during his whole tenure as head coach. We played with the same batting order every single game. He kept the game simple, and had a great understanding of hitters. He was outcoached by Tom Kelly in the ALCS in 91, but outcoached Bobby Cox in the 92 WS.