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LET'S DISCUSS BASEBALL!!!!

Just look at my sig to see my obvious allegiance. I've been waiting my whole life for this!
Sox will win, here is why
Starting pitching:
Houston gets slight edge 1-3, but Chicago wins in 4th starters. While Houston gets the edge, remember their ERAs are lower because they are 1) in a weaker NL, 2) no DH in the NL has a huge ERA impact. Don't forget the Sox just had 4 straight complete games. No one can stop their pitching

RP
slight edge to Sox, just watch game 3 of the ALDS. Hernandez is amazing. Pen has only gone about 9 innings so far, but they've given up 0 runs. Rest also helps a pen that was working hard all year. ONly weak point is Marte.

Hitting:
Huge edge to Sox. Bagwell not the same for the Stros. PK is on fire and even Joe Crede is hitting well. Uribe batting .300, Dye on fire, Iguchi suceeding, short left field wall strongly favors Sox hitters at Minutemaid Park. Every Sox hitter except Rowand and Everett are hot right now, and they are still doing OK.

Running:
SOX HUGE!!! Podsednik is a terror on the bags as is Ozuna, Iguchi, Rowand, and even Dye. The Stros pitchers aren't the best at holding runners and their catcher is no Bengie Molina or Javy Lopez.

Defense: Sox, Uribe continues to make amazing plays. He and Iguchi will be remembered alongsisde the Fox-Aparicio DP combo. Podsednik has great range in LF, Dye has a cannon in right and "crash" continues to crash into walls and make spectacular webgems.

SOX WIN in 6!

Is Game 1 tonight?

Game one and two are Sat and Sunday 6:30 central time.

Go White Sox.

GO ROGER CLEMENS and the Astros :)

*note: CWS is in the same division as my favorite team so....*

I have to root for the White Sox. Being a Red Sox fan, I know how they're feeling right now. The Astros are just going to have to wait.

But the 'Stros have never even been to the series.

And hello to my fellow Red Sox fan! :D

But the 'Stros have never even been to the series.

And hello to my fellow Red Sox fan! :D

Even still, White Sox fans have been waiting longer. The White Sox haven't won since 1917. The Astros weren't even around until 1962.

Pitching wins games, and the Astros have the best; I'm taking them.

Pitching wins games, and the Astros have the best; I'm taking them.

That Game 4 matchup between Garcia and Backe is looking pretty bad for Houston.

That Game 4 matchup between Garcia and Backe is looking pretty bad for Houston.

Perhaps. We'll just have to see if Backe brings his good stuff.

Are there any non-US teams in this "World" Series?
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Are there any non-US teams in this "World" Series?
:confused:

Sadly, no. It'd be nice to have an actual World Series, with Japan, Australia, South Korea, and all the other major countries that play Baseball (I forgot the other ones that do it).

Are there any non-US teams in this "World" Series?
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Someone always has to bring that up.

Go look up the history of the sport and see why it's called "World Series". Otherwise, just call it the Fall Classic and stop being snooty.

GO 'STROS!! w00t!!

Go 'stros!

Houston pwns all!

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5:
Eat that white sox!

Sadly, no. It'd be nice to have an actual World Series, with Japan, Australia, South Korea, and all the other major countries that play Baseball (I forgot the other ones that do it).

You know, next March they are putting something like that together. Besides, it's not like the major leagues don't have players from all over the world.

That said, go Sox...I used to be a fan of theirs until they threw in the towel in 1997. Losing is OK; losing willfully is not. Part of me says I should have stuck with them, but on the other hand, I live and die by the New York Yankees now...(before you call me a front-runner, I live in their top farm team's home city and I saw Derek Jeter and others like him play before they became big-shots...)

Are there any non-US teams in this "World" Series?
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Tell the commies who govern the Olympics to re-admit Baseball for the Summer Games, then. We never lose, so they got jealous and cut it..

Also, as someone sorta mentioned.. it's not called the "World" series for the reason you might think..

You know, next March they are putting something like that together. Besides, it's not like the major leagues don't have players from all over the world.

That said, go Sox...I used to be a fan of theirs until they threw in the towel in 1997. Losing is OK; losing willfully is not. Part of me says I should have stuck with them, but on the other hand, I live and die by the New York Yankees now...(before you call me a front-runner, I live in their top farm team's home city and I saw Derek Jeter and others like him play before they became big-shots...)I'm still a Sox fan even through the crap of the White Flag Trade. In the end that trade worked for their advantage. Alvarez was at the end of his career and most of the other players traded failed to perform. The Sox got some stars out of it who made the 2000 run possible. I was pissed for a 3 year period, but when the trade paid off I forgave JR and went back to my Sox

Are there any non-US teams in this "World" Series?
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Everyone forgets the Jays, but that's because they f*cking suck

That Game 4 matchup between Garcia and Backe is looking pretty bad for Houston.
Um ... Backe won his last start. Looked pretty good.
Pettit is 50/50.
Clemens is 70/30.
Oswalt is 100% sure to win.

Clemens and Oswalt both pitch twice in a 7-game series. If they win 3 of 4, and Backe or Pettit pull out 1 win, it's all Astros.

Go Astros!

By the way, our Houston mayor has declared this weekend "No Sox Weekend", and asking all Houstonians to not wear any socks. Anything similar in Chicago?

Everyone forgets the Jays, but that's because they f*cking suck
There's also Montreal, which just last year moved to D. C.

There's also Montreal, which just last year moved to D. C.
Which is why I didn't mention the Expos/Nats

LET'S DISCUSS BASEBALL!!!!

Starting pitching:
Houston gets slight edge 1-3, but Chicago wins in 4th starters. While Houston gets the edge, remember their ERAs are lower because they are 1) in a weaker NL, 2) no DH in the NL has a huge ERA impact. Don't forget the Sox just had 4 straight complete games. No one can stop their pitching

The DH issue gives the NL an advantage when AL team plays NL rules. Their pitchers have never had to hit. Ours have, and have made bunts and hits contributing to Houston wins.

RP
slight edge to Sox, just watch game 3 of the ALDS. Hernandez is amazing. Pen has only gone about 9 innings so far, but they've given up 0 runs. Rest also helps a pen that was working hard all year. ONly weak point is Marte.


Only weak point for Houston right now is ... Lidge, their #1 closer, and I think he can get it back together for the Series. I give Houston the slight edge there.

As for the rest, see this article from a neutral party:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/mlbnews.asp?articleID=141979

The DH issue gives the NL an advantage when AL team plays NL rules. Their pitchers have never had to hit. Ours have, and have made bunts and hits contributing to Houston wins.


Only weak point for Houston right now is ... Lidge, their #1 closer, and I think he can get it back together for the Series. I give Houston the slight edge there.

As for the rest, see this article from a neutral party:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/scorecard/mlbnews.asp?articleID=141979
You are overlooking the key point that the Houston offense is weak. They won't be able to get a run off of the Sox underrated staff. The Houston pitching is strong, but the Sox offense is strong enough to get just enough runs. Besides, Sox hitters who tend to pull the ball to left wll LOVE that 315 foot left field wall. As for pitchers hitting, it wasn't an issue when the Sox played in NL Parks this year and posted a 7-2 record. (including winning a series at playoff bound San Diego).

They won't be able to get a run off of the Sox underrated staff.

We'll have to wait and see, really.

You are overlooking the key point that the Houston offense is weak. They won't be able to get a run off of the Sox underrated staff. The Houston pitching is strong, but the Sox offense is strong enough to get just enough runs. Besides, Sox hitters who tend to pull the ball to left wll LOVE that 315 foot left field wall. As for pitchers hitting, it wasn't an issue when the Sox played in NL Parks this year and posted a 7-2 record. (including winning a series at playoff bound San Diego).
You are also missing the fact that the "weak" Houston hitters have stepped it up in the playoffs. They performed reasonabley well against the only team that had a lower ERA than them - the St. Louis Cardinals. Also, Houston pitching never allowed more than 5 runs in a game against one of the most potent offenses EVER.

Houston also loves that left field wall - witness Chris Burke's home run in the 18th against Atlanta, Berkman's 3-run dinger in game 5 against St. Louis - actually, just about all their home runs were in the Crawford boxes.

And it can only get better with the DH - we can add Bagwell as a DH in addition to Berkman's power hitting.

We'll have to wait and see, really.
OK, Ensberg and Berkman might get some hits, but this staff shut down the duo of Manny and Ortiz. Also, they issued I think 2 or 3 walks total in the 5 game ALCS. The way Houston's batting has been, it won't be pretty. Bagwell is hurt, but then again so was Kirk Gibson when he played. I think it will be a good close series, but the Sox have the edge in every area except starting pitching, and that is still only a minor difference in ability. Remember the Sox staff got that low ERA in a hitters park, a better hitting league, and with a DH rule. The Sox also have the best road record in baseball. THe Stros can't win on the road and that will come back to bite them when they play 2-4 games at US Cellular Field.

OK, Ensberg and Berkman might get some hits, but this staff shut down the duo of Manny and Ortiz. Also, they issued I think 2 or 3 walks total in the 5 game ALCS. The way Houston's batting has been, it won't be pretty. Bagwell is hurt, but then again so was Kirk Gibson when he played. I think it will be a good close series, but the Sox have the edge in every area except starting pitching, and that is still only a minor difference in ability. Remember the Sox staff got that low ERA in a hitters park, a better hitting league, and with a DH rule. The Sox also have the best road record in baseball. THe Stros can't win on the road and that will come back to bite them when they play 2-4 games at US Cellular Field.

Wow, you're one to jump the gun, eh?

You are also missing the fact that the "weak" Houston hitters have stepped it up in the playoffs. They performed reasonabley well against the only team that had a lower ERA than them - the St. Louis Cardinals. Also, Houston pitching never allowed more than 5 runs in a game against one of the most potent offenses EVER.

Houston also loves that left field wall - witness Chris Burke's home run in the 18th against Atlanta, Berkman's 3-run dinger in game 5 against St. Louis - actually, just about all their home runs were in the Crawford boxes.

And it can only get better with the DH - we can add Bagwell as a DH in addition to Berkman's power hitting.
They beat a wounded Cardinals team that was hurt by the fact they hadn't played a meaningful game since May. That's the downside of getting a huge lead. The Sox wouldn't folded the same way if Cleveland didn't get on a hot streak and light a fire under the Sox ass. Sure the Cards have a great offense, but they had injured players (see Reggie Sanders.) The Sox held a touch Angels offense featuring Vlad to fewer runs (and I add they played with DH so the games should've been higher scoring.) The Sox pitching was going against the only staff with a lower ERA in the AL and their batters got 6-8 runs in many games.

Wow, you're one to jump the gun, eh?
I'm not, on paper some of Houston's hitters look great, but figure in the 315' wall. That is the reason why they are great at home and their road record sucks. The Sox hitters posted many more HRs playing in a larger dimension park. The Sox also tend to pull the ball to left. Podsednik, a lefty has a tendency to hit shots just short of the warning track out to left. Of course those are flyouts at most parks, but at Houston those are HRs. That is why half of the HRs he hit in 2004 came at Minutemaid park even though he only had 9 games there. AJ is the only hitter who will struggle there.

OK, Ensberg and Berkman might get some hits, but this staff shut down the duo of Manny and Ortiz. Also, they issued I think 2 or 3 walks total in the 5 game ALCS. The way Houston's batting has been, it won't be pretty. Bagwell is hurt, but then again so was Kirk Gibson when he played. I think it will be a good close series, but the Sox have the edge in every area except starting pitching, and that is still only a minor difference in ability. Remember the Sox staff got that low ERA in a hitters park, a better hitting league, and with a DH rule. The Sox also have the best road record in baseball. THe Stros can't win on the road and that will come back to bite them when they play 2-4 games at US Cellular Field.
Actually Houston's batting has been exceptional considering the pitching they were up against with the Cardinals. Minute Maid is also a hitter's ballpark, but the Astros also maintained a low ERA in spite of that. As to your contention that the Astros can't win on the road - they did, twice, against the Cardinals, who I believe had either the best or second best home winning percentage.

As far as your contention that the Sox have the edge in every other area, read the article from the link I have in a previous post in this thread. It disagrees with you.

All that said, nobody really knows who will win. I'm an avid Astros fan and so will continue promoting their cause as any good Houston fan should, as any hometown fan should. Best of luck to both. I'm looking forward to an exciting series.

I'm looking forward to an exciting series.

That pretty much says it all for me.

Everyone knows players act differently in post-season, so statistics change dramatically and, well, we have no statistics on the Astros for games in the Series to compare.

What we do know is that the White Sox have been 3* times: 1917, 1919, and 1959. They won in 1917, I don't want to talk about 1919, and lost in 1959.

The Astros have never been.

So both teams will most likely be playing at their finest. The Astros will be fighting for franchise validity and the Sox for, well, regained glory. It will be some exciting baseball.

*I am aware of the 1901 AL Pennant, but there was no Series.

That pretty much says it all for me.

Everyone knows players act differently in post-season, so statistics change dramatically and, well, we have no statistics on the Astros for games in the Series to compare.

What we do know is that the White Sox have been 3* times: 1917, 1919, and 1959. They won in 1917, I don't want to talk about 1919, and lost in 1959.

The Astros have never been.

So both teams will most likely be playing at their finest. The Astros will be fighting for franchise validity and the Sox for, well, regained glory. It will be some exciting baseball.

*I am aware of the 1901 AL Pennant, but there was no Series.

You are very knowledgable to know of the 1901 Sox pennant, but you forgot the 1906 series. It is one that the Chicago Tribune (or Cubune) doesn't ever mention. It is when the White Sox beat the Flubs in a crosstown battle. It is IMO the greatest series in history (every Sox fan agrees there). The SOx were supposed to get swept, but the "hitless wonders" showed pitching is everything.

Not to be pedantic, but how on earth is it the "world" series, only American teams compete? Also, baseball really is rounders with more homoertic insinuations, that all, whilst American football is rugby for those incapable of playing the more manly and intelligent rugby.

That pretty much says it all for me.

Everyone knows players act differently in post-season, so statistics change dramatically and, well, we have no statistics on the Astros for games in the Series to compare.

What we do know is that the White Sox have been 3* times: 1917, 1919, and 1959. They won in 1917, I don't want to talk about 1919, and lost in 1959.

The Astros have never been.

So both teams will most likely be playing at their finest. The Astros will be fighting for franchise validity and the Sox for, well, regained glory. It will be some exciting baseball.

*I am aware of the 1901 AL Pennant, but there was no Series.
And considering there are no players or managers on the current Sox team that have been to the World Series, those stats don't mean anything, either.

American football is rugby for those incapable of playing the more manly and intelligent rugby.

Dude, don't even get me started...

Not to be pedantic, but how on earth is it the "world" series, only American teams compete? Also, baseball really is rounders with more homoertic insinuations, that all, whilst American football is rugby for those incapable of playing the more manly and intelligent rugby.

"Not to be pedantic, but" (pedantry)

Thanks. We've never noticed how there are only American teams in the World Series (discounting the two times the Toronto Blue Jays won). You are the first person to notice and poitn that out to us ignorant Americans. Nevermind the fact that hundreds of MLB players are from outside the USA.

"Not to be pedantic, but" (pedantry)

Thanks. We've never noticed how there are only American teams in the World Series (discounting the two times the Toronto Blue Jays won). You are the first person to notice and poitn that out to us ignorant Americans. Nevermind the fact that hundreds of MLB players are from outside the USA.

So therefore the premiership is indeed the "world league" since it contains players from external countries? Somehow I sincerely doubt the above.

The world cups in both football (not bloody "soccer") and rugby contain inernational teams from the globe, and yet the "world series" is comprised of entirely american teams, essentially because the remainder of the sporting world frnakly couldn't care less.

So therefore the premiership is indeed the "world league" since it contains players from external countries? Somehow I sincerely doubt the above.

The world cups in both football (not bloody "soccer") and rugby contain inernational teams from the globe, and yet the "world series" is comprised of entirely american teams, essentially because the remainder of the sporting world frnakly couldn't care less.
Shut the **** up and get out of my thread please. The WOrld Series has existed since 1905. Tell me where baseball was played then? I think it was safe to say that the champion of that game would be world champions. What is really funny too is that the US wins the gold most years in the Olympics and only minor league US players play while the Japanese and other countries send their best. I know we got the silver in 1996, but remember we had minor leaguers and if Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell, Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Co. went to play they woul've killed Japan.

This tournement needs to change its name. The world is not represented in it.

Shut the **** up and get out of my thread please. The WOrld Series has existed since 1905. Tell me where baseball was played then? I think it was safe to say that the champion of that game would be world champions. What is really funny too is that the US wins the gold most years in the Olympics and only minor league US players play while the Japanese and other countries send their best. I know we got the silver in 1996, but remember we had minor leaguers and if Frank Thomas, Jeff Bagwell, Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Co. went to play they woul've killed Japan.

And why do you think the USA would win? Because its the only country in the whole bloody world that plays the sport.

This tournement needs to change its name. The world is not represented in it.
I'm sorry, the name came before anyone else in the world knew what baseball is. MLB doesn't have to do jack shit to appease you all Selig has to do is appease Congress. If you are going to bitch about this, get a life.

And why do you think the USA would win? Because its the only country in the whole bloody world that plays the sport.
Because we won every year except that year with MINOR LEAGEURS who will never play in MLB. Imagine if we had sent the best of the best. We would've whipped Japan who sent their Major Leaguers. If the Japanese team is so good, then why have only a dozen of their players made it to the US and suceeded. As for nations like the Carribean nations. If they combined into one team, they could possibly win, but they aren't that way. Some come from the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. Because they come from so many nations, they can't pool enough Latin players for each of the teams. Now if all the Latin players were on one team, they'd win.

And why do you think the USA would win? Because its the only country in the whole bloody world that plays the sport.

Japan, Canada, Australia, South Korea, Mexico, Caribbean nations, parts of China...

The ENTIRE fracking Caribbean!

Yeah, I edited my post after I realised that I'd forgotten. How the fuck could I!?

Yeah, I edited my post after I realised that I'd forgotten. How the fuck could I!?

Yha, thanks for depriving me of an increace in my post count.

You owe me 1(one) post!

Yha, thanks for depriving me of an increace in my post count.

You owe me 1(one) post!

I consider my job done. :D

I'm sorry, the name came before anyone else in the world knew what baseball is. MLB doesn't have to do jack shit to appease you all Selig has to do is appease Congress. If you are going to bitch about this, get a life.

It is the truth. It does not represent the world. Therefore it cannot be legitamtely called the "world" series, unless America wants to continue to support its image of ignorence of ROW

It is the truth. It does not represent the world. Therefore it cannot be legitamtely called the "world" series, unless America wants to continue to support its image of ignorence of ROW
Please start another thread for your opinions on this matter. Stop hijacking this thread.

It is the truth. It does not represent the world. Therefore it cannot be legitamtely called the "world" series, unless America wants to continue to support its image of ignorence of ROW
Avalon STFU. If you want to be anti-American go make your own thread and get the fuck out of mine. I can't stand fucking Europe right now. You are really pissing me off.

It is the World Series. I'd like to see your nation field a team that can beat a team of US All-Stars. Until that day occurs, shut up. This is MY thread. I am ehre to discuss the Sox vs. Astros.

I would like to point to this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439912

This thread is about Football in the UK/Europe/Whatever.

In 200 posts, not one single American has made any attempt to hijack it and cry foul on using the name "football" improperly or made any form of disparaging comments. Not one.

Why, oh why, do Europeans have to come into our thread and, on page ONE, start screaming and bitching? Just get out of the damn thread. It's called the "World Series", it's been called the "World Series" since 1903, it will always be called the "World Series", and if you'd pull your collective snobbish heads out of your stink puckers, you could just let it go.

It is the truth. It does not represent the world. Therefore it cannot be legitamtely called the "world" series, unless America wants to continue to support its image of ignorence of ROW

And you are continuing to support Europe's image of being full of snobbish douchebaggery. Cut it out.

Now onto baseball. Here is an interesting article on why the Sox will win this close series. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5009824

Oh, BTW, I think Houston and CHicago fans can all agree that BBTN is the crappiest show on earth. Fucking Gammons and Kruk are talking about the Yankees off-season. I hate the fucking East coast bias. No one gives a fuck about the Skankees or Blow Sawx right now. If they want to talk abou the Yankees, here's a story angle. Do one about how they let good pitching go. Four great starters in the WS from the Skankees: El Duque, Contrereas, Clemens, and Pettite. Way to go Steinbrenner you moron. I'm sure you're happy with Brown,oops cut him, Johnson (wash-up), Nomo (did he play after being picked up?), Leiter (6+ ERA), and I can go on forever about how the Yankees suck. Steinbrenner and Torre are morons and BBTN's crew needs to get their heads out of Steinbrenner's ass.

Four great starters in the WS from the Skankees: El Duque, Contrereas, Clemens, and Pettite. Way to go Steinbrenner you moron.

I want to send him a thank-you card for Clemens and Pettite. :D

I want to send him a thank-you card for Clemens and Pettite. :D

Methinks we all should. :p

Methinks we all should. :p

How about a Happy World Series card? :D

How about a Happy World Series card? :D

"Thanks for the world series, you pompous, fat, stupid fuck!"

Now THAT would be a zinger!

How about a Happy World Series card? :D

A nice pic of some Astros fans at the World Series with the words "WISH YOU WERE HERE!!" on it would make him cry himself to sleep every night until Spring training.

A nice pic of some Astros fans at the World Series with the words "WISH YOU WERE HERE!!" on it would make him cry himself to sleep every night until Spring training.

We could send him this, along with my blunt and in-your-face card. He may commit suicide!

I'm all for the postcard. How about one with the 4 pitchers he let go who have had muc success this October? Send one to Randy Johnson, Mussina, and the rest of the Yankee's staff too.

We are now moments away from Game 1 of the 2005 World Series between the Houston Astros and the Chicago Black, I mean White, Sox.

Game is on. Contreras was amazing 1st inning. I love "THUNDERSTRUCK!" The Sox introsong.

Game is on. Contreras was amazing 1st inning. I love "THUNDERSTRUCK!" The Sox introsong.

Clemens is having a good first inning as well.

Dye homers!!! 1st one is Hawk's HR call (TV Sox announcer), 2nd is Rooney's (radio guy)
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOOOOOAAAAAARRRRDDD... YYYYYEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

That one will leave the yard!!! IT'S A GONER!!!

Clemens is having a good first inning as well.
He's a good pitcher, even with that early HR, it will be a pitcher's duel. Homers will be few and far between for both teams this series.

He's a good pitcher, even with that early HR, it will be a pitcher's duel. Homers will be few and far between for both teams this series.

You can say that again! SHould be a good one.

BACK BACK BACK GGGGGGGGOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEE! HOMERUN BY MIKE LAMB

BACK BACK BACK GGGGGGGGOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEE! HOMERUN BY MIKE LAMB
OK, someone needs to shoot Chris Berman!!!

They don't call Chicago the Windy City for nothing. That wind is taking everything deep to right-center.
6-4-3 YES Rackem up

OK, someone needs to shoot Chris Berman!!!

Couldn't resist :D

They don't call Chicago the Windy City for nothing. That wind is taking everything deep to right-center.
6-4-3 YES Rackem up

Maybe we should rethink the homerun thing eh?

Maybe we should rethink the homerun thing eh?
It's not the pitchers, it's the fricken wind.

It's not the pitchers, it's the fricken wind.

Still maybe we should rethink the homerrun thing. :D

2 more runs off of station-station baseball. I wonder if the 50 degree weather is affecting Clemens because I didn't expect to see this today. I expected this game to be a possible loss for the Sox.

This game is tied again going into the bottom of the 3rd inning.

Like I said ... some damn exciting baseball.

Ok ... enough of this internet ... my popcorn's done ... back to the game!

Look these are 2 good teams. This has been great so far. These 2 teams want it. GO SOX though.

Almost had Crede's HR .... almost. Great effort at the wall. Good job Crede, too ... guess with two herniated disks, he just wants to knock it and rock it.

Nice double play there. Ok ... time to answer the HR ...

After the commercials ...

Holy shit ... Crede's on fire! Damn you, Sox! Damn you! ;)

How about Crede's glovework? I don't get why everyone thinks Chavez should get the GG every year. Crede makes plays like this every day. He is the best defensive 3rd baseman out there.

oh yeah on Crede. Sox fans, myself included hated him for the past 2 years. He was a 2 time MVP in AAA and then sucked when he was called up. He was batting .270 his first year and declined for 3 years down to .240. He finally did well this year towards the 2nd half and became clutch. In May, most fans wanted to give him the "old yeller" treatment.

Bases loaded with one out and no runs. Now that is what I call defense.

Bases loaded with one out and no runs. Now that is what I call defense.

How about that double play to shut down a bases loaded inning? Now *that* is defense. :D

How about that double play to shut down a bases loaded inning? Now *that* is defense. :D

3-6-1 Double play then the Astros turn around with a double to left center to start the 6th inning.

Contreras answers pitching out of a jam too. Like I said, this will be an exciting series and what makes it better is that on BBTN, Brantley, Reynolds, Kruk, Gammons, and the rest of the morons can't talk about the Skankees or Blow Sawx.

Damn you, Crede! Stop being so good! NOW!

S'ok ... Qualls is warming up ... we may be able to answer some of that pitching.

Ump needs to watch out for that backswing ....

Crede Again With A 5-3!!!

Damn Crede! Damn that man.

AAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

My only hope right now is that Liz Phair's singing kills Crede.

http://whitesoxinteractive.com//LetsGoGoWhiteSox.rm
Sox fight song!!!!

Damn it. A routine play turns into an error by everret. :(

Damn it. A routine play turns into an error by everret. :(

He has a nasty habit of doing that.

Good! No more damage. Still 4-3 Chi Sox.

He has a nasty habit of doing that.
Qualls gets out of it. GOod game will go to Sox pen I bet.
Look for Cotts to come in for an inning or Jenks for the 2 inning save.

Of the many thousands of reasons why I love my wife, here is one:

Gina: "You know ... if you don't at least know the basics of this game and don't love it just a little, you should lose your right to vote."

:D

Of the many thousands of reasons why I love my wife, here is one:

Gina: "You know ... if you don't at least know the basics of this game and don't love it just a little, you should lose your right to vote."

:D

If your wife really did say that....

Heck, I agree :D

If your wife really did say that....

Heck, I agree :D

She actually did say that. Hand to God, she said it.

I'm lookin' at the breath comin' off the players and I'm wondering if the Sox are prepared to play in 85 degress in October when they come to Houston. :D

I'm lookin' at the breath comin' off the players and I'm wondering if the Sox are prepared to play in 85 degress in October when they come to Houston. :D

I'm sure they will be!

C'mon Bagwell...HIT THE SINGLE!

Another jam the Black Sox got out of. :(

Goddamnit! That's the 3rd time in as many innings the Astros have stranded a man on 3rd!

I LOOOOOOVE BAD BOBBY JENKS!!! 102 mph heater. I saw his MLB debut too a few months ago. Never heard of the guy before and he starts thowing a 100 mph gaaaaas.

Triples are my favorite thing to see.. dunno why. That was a well-hit ball.. :)

Pods triples home AJ. He is so fricken fast. He had 58 Regular season steals and 5 post.

Well looks like the Black Sox will take a 1-0 lead in the W.S.

It ain't over 'till it's over!

Astros catch a break.. walk and a homer, that'd do it.

Edit: nvm.. .100mph pitch, eh? :p

It ain't over 'till it's over!
I know, but it's Bobby Jenks, you can't hit that 100+ pitch

White Sox take game 1!

Congratulations to them.

That's a White Sox winner!!!

And goddamnit, now it's over.

Win game 2!

Nice job, Sox!

I hope, however, that this lets you know that we're gonna fight you for it. It won't be a roll over and die Series. If you take this Series, it's gonna be some of the hardest ball you've played in your lives.

Oh ... and we have snipers set up at Minute Maid to take out Crede. :D

j/k

Damn fine baseball! I couldn't be more proud of the 'Stros. We played some damn fine ball. Now let's keep them from shutting us out!

Oooh ... any word on Clemens?

Well looks like the Black Sox will take a 1-0 lead in the W.S.

Awww ... come on ... that's just bad sportsmanship. :p

Oooh ... any word on Clemens?

Strained Hamstring I think is what they said.

Awww ... come on ... that's just bad sportsmanship. :p

Sorry but I'll call them that till they win a World Series :p

I love it...both my favorite teams in the World Series...Though I have been a fan of the Sox longer, so I gotta root for them to win out in the end, but I'd like to see a seven-game Series...and all close games like tonight...no blowouts for either side.

I want both teams to be able to go away with their heads held high.

so far, both teams can do this, after game one. Great defense, good pitching, a little pop in the bats from each side...great show.

Now that the Sox have won Game One, I gotta root for the 'Stros to get Game 2. And then of course, either one for Game 3, then the other for game 4...I would like to see this go 1-1, then 2-2, then 3-3...and then, the seventh game into extra inings, close game, and the Sox win.

Damn, it is hard for me to root AGAINST my beloved Astros...but, damn it all, I love the White Sox, too...and I have been a fan of them longer, so, for me, it has to be the White Sox.

Either way, one team I love will be World Champs. I just want both teams to be able, in the end, to hold their heads high and proud.

I gotta start looking around for a souvenier mug or something with BOTH team names on it, as a memento of a most awesome baseball year for me.

Anyone know if such an item exists, and where I might look to find one?

It seems like I oughta be able to get something with both teams names on it!!

Lyric, I know what you're saying. I'd be the same way if the Cards made it.

Holy shit ... Crede's on fire! Damn you, Sox! Damn you! ;)

Shit...try being ME, right now!!

A 34-year long fan of the White Sox...and a 20-year fan of the Astros!!

Who the fuck do I root for?!!?!?

Goddamn, I wish they could BOTH win!!

J.R. Richard, this is for you!
Andy Rodzilsky, this is for you!
Monty Stratton, this is for you!
Shoeless Joe, this is for you!!

Damn, I live for this!!

The first time in all my life that either team I love gets into a World Series, and so, of course, they gotta BOTH do it in the same year!! :D

Well, either way, one team I love will be World Champs. I'm just hoping for all close games, and a seven-game Series, so that both teams can hold their heads high and proud.

But if I were a betting girl, my money would be on Chicago in six.

LET'S DISCUSS BASEBALL!!!!

Just look at my sig to see my obvious allegiance. I've been waiting my whole life for this!
Sox will win, here is why
Starting pitching:
Houston gets slight edge 1-3, but Chicago wins in 4th starters. While Houston gets the edge, remember their ERAs are lower because they are 1) in a weaker NL, 2) no DH in the NL has a huge ERA impact. Don't forget the Sox just had 4 straight complete games. No one can stop their pitching

RP
slight edge to Sox, just watch game 3 of the ALDS. Hernandez is amazing. Pen has only gone about 9 innings so far, but they've given up 0 runs. Rest also helps a pen that was working hard all year. ONly weak point is Marte.

Hitting:
Huge edge to Sox. Bagwell not the same for the Stros. PK is on fire and even Joe Crede is hitting well. Uribe batting .300, Dye on fire, Iguchi suceeding, short left field wall strongly favors Sox hitters at Minutemaid Park. Every Sox hitter except Rowand and Everett are hot right now, and they are still doing OK.

Running:
SOX HUGE!!! Podsednik is a terror on the bags as is Ozuna, Iguchi, Rowand, and even Dye. The Stros pitchers aren't the best at holding runners and their catcher is no Bengie Molina or Javy Lopez.

Defense: Sox, Uribe continues to make amazing plays. He and Iguchi will be remembered alongsisde the Fox-Aparicio DP combo. Podsednik has great range in LF, Dye has a cannon in right and "crash" continues to crash into walls and make spectacular webgems.

SOX WIN in 6!


Well, we seem to have the same outlook, I've said I think it's the Sox in 6...but, as a 34-year White Sox fan...AND a 20-year Astro fan, I think you are short-selling some of the good points about Houston.

I'd never presume to take away anything you said about the Sox, it's all true, they are a great team.

BUT, I give an outfield edge to Houston for speed and range. Both have stellar infields.

Both have awesome pitching, both in starting, and in the pen...but the Sox pen has had more rest.

Remains to see if that hurts or helps. So far tonight, judging on Cotts and Jenks, I'd say it helps.

The Sox definitely have more pop in their bats, but Houston is better, I think, at "manufacturing runs" as we have had to do that all year long.

And I think the crowd will be very into it at Minute Maid, giving a decided advantage to the 'Stros. Ever hear that place when they keep the roof closed, as I'm sure they will? I have.

All that said, I still think it's the Sox in six, but I do believe that you are somewhat selling the 'Stros short in terms of the credits to them. They got a hell of a lot going for them too.

In the end, I say this Series will come down to who can provide more run support for their pitcher...and that has to be the Sox, who just have more pop in the bat.

I'm telling you Oswalt wins his game. No way do the Sox take out Oswalt.
and I think the 'Stros will take at least one other. this is why I say White Sox in six.

Avalon STFU. If you want to be anti-American go make your own thread and get the fuck out of mine. I can't stand fucking Europe right now. You are really pissing me off.

It is the World Series. I'd like to see your nation field a team that can beat a team of US All-Stars. Until that day occurs, shut up. This is MY thread. I am ehre to discuss the Sox vs. Astros.

Firstly, it is not "Your" thread. As has been noted many times you do not have universal control of the direction a thread's discussion goes in once it starts. Secondly this is not off topic. It is within the framework in so far as it is discussion about the world series. Its just I wish to discuss the nature of the competition. As it happens, I do know why it is called the world series, it is because a newspaper called "the world" or something similar used to sponser it. However said newspaper went bust and yet you still call it by that name. Its not accurate, in that there are only two countries that play in it.

And you are continuing to support Europe's image of being full of snobbish douchebaggery. Cut it out.

How is it snobish to demand accuracy of language?

Firstly, it is not "Your" thread. As has been noted many times you do not have universal control of the direction a thread's discussion goes in once it starts. Secondly this is not off topic. It is within the framework in so far as it is discussion about the world series. Its just I wish to discuss the nature of the competition. As it happens, I do know why it is called the world series, it is because a newspaper called "the world" or something similar used to sponser it. However said newspaper went bust and yet you still call it by that name. Its not accurate, in that there are only two countries that play in it.

First, that is bullshit. Very popular, but inaccurate legend about how the World Series got it's name.

Second, who gives a fuck about the rest of the world, anyway? AMERICA first.

Third, It's just called the World Series, so deal with it. The rest of the world don't matter, anyway. The hocket Championship is called the Stanley cup, but I don't see the winner getting Stanley, whoever he is!

How is it snobish to demand accuracy of language?

How is it not?!

Besides, if you'd do like I suggested and go look up the history of it, you'd know why it's called the "World Series". It's sort of like British people calling a flashlight a "torch". It's not improper language, it's just historical use.

First, that is bullshit. Very popular, but inaccurate legend about how the World Series got it's name.

Second, who gives a fuck about the rest of the world, anyway? AMERICA first.

Third, It's just called the World Series, so deal with it. The rest of the world don't matter, anyway. The hocket Championship is called the Stanley cup, but I don't see the winner getting Stanley, whoever he is!

I think that is the person who organized Hockey but I'm not sure

As for the rest of your post. Well said indeed. :)

First, that is bullshit. Very popular, but inaccurate legend about how the World Series got it's name.

Well then perhaps you'd care to enlighten us


Second, who gives a fuck about the rest of the world, anyway? AMERICA first.


Its exactly that kind of attitude that makes people hate America. Complete ignorence of the rest of the world. Yet the rest of the world have to listen to you of course, because your America.


Third, It's just called the World Series, so deal with it. The rest of the world don't matter, anyway. The hocket Championship is called the Stanley cup, but I don't see the winner getting Stanley, whoever he is!

Its proberbly part of the original person who set up the tournment. Thus its logical to bear his name. But the world series does not represent the world and thus is inaccurate to call itself as if it did.

How is it not?!

Besides, if you'd do like I suggested and go look up the history of it, you'd know why it's called the "World Series". It's sort of like British people calling a flashlight a "torch". It's not improper language, it's just historical use.

The word flashlight is innacruate unless the light actually flashes (which most do not) and the word torch is more genarlly accurate. Granted its original use was to burning rods of wood, but the point was to apply to anything that gave off a light. In this case its not about a changing of noun, its about a noun being incorrectly applied in the first place. If I were to call a torch a "golt" in my language and the word "golt" meant nothing else, then it would be inacurate but only in so far as it was the wrong word, not in so far as the word "golt" was inaccrately applied since the word "golt" has no meaning in the first place. In this case, the word "world" does have a meaning, and it is being applied to a situation where that meaning is not played out. Thus it is inaccurate use of the word.

Its proberbly part of the original person who set up the tournment. Thus its logical to bear his name. But the world series does not represent the world and thus is inaccurate to call itself as if it did.

Probably has to do with the fact that Canada also has the Toronto Blue Jays! Last time I checked the map, Canada is a free and independent nation.

Probably has to do with the fact that Canada also has the Toronto Blue Jays! Last time I checked the map, Canada is a free and independent nation.

Oh yes, two nations constitutes "the world". The World cup has practically every nation on earth competing in it, your world series has teams from only one continent. "World" does not mean international. It means everyone.

Oh yes, two nations constitutes "the world". The World cup has practically every nation on earth competing in it, your world series has teams from only one continent. "World" does not mean international. It means everyone.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/wsmenu.shtml

History on how the world series got started and how it got its name.

When it comes to the series, I'm literally tearing my hair out...I don't even know if I want to watch it. Being a Cubs fan is tough these days...I either have to suffer through a White Sox win (their first in a VERY long time) or the Astros first world series win. Who do I pull for? On one hand you've got the obnoxious Sox...Ozzie Guillen and his big mouth and that classless (but talented) hack Buerhle. And on the other hand you've got Fatty Berkman, Clemens, and Oswalt, three guys I have NEVER been able to stand. Hey, at least it wasn't the Cards. Now THAT would've been painful.

On a more serious (and pleasant note) I have to give Garner props. He turned that team around and has really done a good job. Same for guys like Burke, Oswalt, and Berkman who are coming up big when necessary. As much as I hate them, you gotta admire the resilience.

Same on the other side of the spectrum. Even though Buerhle doesn't have an ounce of class in him, he is an iron man...really eats those innings up. Jenks is a tough kid, and Paulie Konerko is a beast.

As for my prediction, I'll have to go with the Sox in terms of who I think has the best chance of winning. If I were a Stro's fan I'd be worrying about Pettite and Clemens...Oswalt will get the win, but the other two...well...let's just leave it at that. Sox in six.

How the hell does someone hit a 100 MPH fastball?

How the hell does someone hit a 100 MPH fastball?

It is pretty much damn near impossible.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/wsmenu.shtml

History on how the world series got started and how it got its name.

That doesnt justifiy it. Two nations do not consitute the world. North American series would be fine but the phrase "world series" is innacurate.

It is pretty much damn near impossible.

Imagine if he had another pitch, like that breaker that Barry Zito throws.

Ultimate...Bullpen...Pitcher

Well then perhaps you'd care to enlighten us



Its exactly that kind of attitude that makes people hate America. Complete ignorence of the rest of the world. Yet the rest of the world have to listen to you of course, because your America.



Its proberbly part of the original person who set up the tournment. Thus its logical to bear his name. But the world series does not represent the world and thus is inaccurate to call itself as if it did.
You piss and moan about the rest of the world...how about then, instead of bitching about it, you go out and field a few teams from other parts of the worls that even deserve to be on the same field as our teams, and maybe then you might have something. Till then, be quiet. Not everyone gets to participate, and that's just the way it is. If your team isn't good enough, then it doesn't get to participate.

What the hell, do you want to include crappy teams from all sorts of other countries so that at the end we can all hold hands and sing "Kum ba ya?" Horse-shit. This is about being the best in the WORLD, and guess what?? America is the best in the world when it comes to baseball...so just deal with it. Till you can come up with teams that can compete on our level, don't come hat in hand asking to be included in our contests. when you can compete on our level, talk to us. Till then, go away. Come back when you can actually compete on our level.

Oh, and P.S.
The WORLD is represented by our sport, and guess why? All the GOOD players from other countries aspire to come and play for our teams, and many of them do. Iguchi, from the White sox is from Japan. Contreras is a Cuban defector. We have players from Haiti, the Dominican Republic, others from Japan, etc. So, while the teams may all be BASED in two countries (Canada and America) it still IS representative of the best players in the world, regardless of where they play...there are many countries around the world represented by various players in our leagues.

We don't restrict players to be only Americans...or Canadians. As I said, just on the White Sox, there's at least 4 countries represented. America, obviously, Japan (Iguchi) Cuba (Contreras) and the manager himself, Ozzie Guillen, is from Venezuela! There's four countries just off the top of my head, all represented by the White Sox. and that does not count any possibles from say Haiti, or the Dominican Republic, only because I am not sure of the countries of origin of all the players on the White Sox, but I know four for a fact. And, as a I said those would be America, Japan, Cuba, and Venezuela...all represented in the Chicago White Sox. so now what? there goes your argument, right down the toilet. It is damn well TOO the World Series. You just don't have teams in other countries, because the good players from your countries want to play in ours, they can compete on our level, and they want the money that goes along with playing at our level.

Like I said, when you can come up with a league of teams from other countries, who can compete on our level, in terms of quality of play, and payscale to attract high-caliber players...then talk to me. Until then, accept the fact that, while all the teams may be based in America, they contain players from many countries, and thus, are representative of the best players the world has to offer.

Oh yes, two nations constitutes "the world". The World cup has practically every nation on earth competing in it, your world series has teams from only one continent. "World" does not mean international. It means everyone.
I am going to reply directly to this by poionting out that at least four countries that I know of are represented just in the Chicago White Sox.

Iguchi is from JAPAN.
Contreras from CUBA.
Guillen from VENEZUELA.
And, of course, Americans play on the team.

Face it, what is currently in our professional baseball teams IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BEST PLAYERS THE WORLD HAS TO OFFER.

They come here to play, because they can compete on our level, and they want to be paid accordingly.

When you can field a team in another country, with players of high-caliber that can compete on our level...and can pay enough to attract the high-caliber players...then apply to join our leagues.

Till then, deal with the fact that all the best players in the world CHOOSE and ASPIRE to compete in our leagues, because they are capable of competing on that level, and desire to be paid accoringly.

Therefore, while all the teams may be based on one continent, as you say, it is STILL representative of the best players from all the world over...the best the world has to offer, and so World Series is entirely appropriate.

We do not restrict our teams so that only citizens or natives of America or Canada can play. Among our best players, we have players from many different countries. As I said, off the top of my head, I can name four countries represented by the White Sox. And there may be others, I'm just not sure of the specifics.

In fact, the Cubs used to have Sammy Sosa, a native of the Dominican Republic...or was it Haiti in his case? Not sure. But look around our leagues, and you will find that the players in our leagues ARE representative of the best players THE WORLD has to offer...and they come from perhaps 20 or more different countries.

So again, I argue that World Series is entirely a legitimate name. Not our fault that all the rest of the world's best players want to come here, if they are of high enough caliber, because they want to be paid what we can offer. There is a reason that the best players in all the world end up playing in our leagues.

Like I said...you go ahead and form a team of high-caliber players, pay them what we pay, so that you can attract the best talent in the world, and locate it anywhere you want to. If you can't do that, then be quiet, and accept the fact that our leagues are representative of all the best the world has to offer, as our players come from many different countries, and not exclusively from America or Canada.

And it was called the World Series long before Canada even had a team. Hell, it was called that long before even Los Angeles had a team!

How the hell does someone hit a 100 MPH fastball?
That's what being the best in THE WORLD is all about...being able to hit that 100 MPH fastball...or being able to THROW it in the first place...not only throw it...but throw it with ACCURACY!

That is why it is the World Series. Because only the best in the world can do it! :D

That doesnt justifiy it. Two nations do not consitute the world. North American series would be fine but the phrase "world series" is innacurate.

No...it isn't. The leagues contain players from many different countries. Not our fault that all the best players in the world want to play in our leagues. Maybe it's because we can afford to pay what they want to make.

That's what being the best in THE WORLD is all about...being able to hit that 100 MPH fastball...or being able to THROW it in the first place...not only throw it...but throw it with ACCURACY!

That is why it is the World Series. Because only the best in the world can do it! :D

When your right, your right Lyric :)

When your right, your right Lyric :)

Do I detect a hint of romance? :p

When your right, your right Lyric :)
Thank you.
Did I take the wheels out from under that guy's argument, or what?

Who gives a shit where the teams are based, there are at least 20 different countries represented by the various players in our leagues...and only the best in ALL THE WORLD are able to compete at the level required in our leagues.

So, WORLD SERIES is entirely justified.

Do I detect a hint of romance? :p

I don't know. I do know we can agree about Baseball up to a point which is more than we have been able to agree upon :D

Thank you.
Did I take the wheels out from under that guy's argument, or what?

Who gives a shit where the teams are based, there are at least 20 different countries represented by the various players in our leagues...and only the best in ALL THE WORLD are able to compete at the level required in our leagues.

So, WORLD SERIES is entirely justified.

No its not

The entire world is not represented because, you see, while you have players from other countries, what you dont have are entire teams from that country. Or any other country. It is a world series when every country in the world is equally represented and has a fair chance of winning, not when one country has all the teams in it and its only ever going to be them.

Thank you.
Did I take the wheels out from under that guy's argument, or what?

Yes you did take out his wheels. It was masterfully done. Even more so than what I could do.

Who gives a shit where the teams are based, there are at least 20 different countries represented by the various players in our leagues...and only the best in ALL THE WORLD are able to compete at the level required in our leagues.

So, WORLD SERIES is entirely justified.

Yes it is entirely justified :)

Do I detect a hint of romance? :p
What? Between Corny and ME?!?!?
I think Hellmight freeze over before that happened. Both of us are too damned opinionated...and on the opposite side of too many issues for THAT sort of thing to last between us!
He's just big enough to admit when I am right (sometimes, anyway...)

That all said, I still maintain that WORLD SERIES is justified, because our leagues represent the very best in players from all over the world. As I said, I can, off the top of my head, name four countries that are represented by the White Sox alone. And there may even be more than four represented by the White Sox, I'm just not sure on the specifics.

For example, what country is El Dulce from? Any others on the White Sox? Anyone have some more specifics on what other countries are represented in the White Sox?

Now, the Astros are definitely a lot less diverse in terms of international representation than are the White Sox, but I'm betting Wandy Rodriguez comes from somewhere other than America. I could not, for certain, say what his country of origin is...but I'm reasonably sure it is not America.

What? Between Corny and ME?!?!?
I think Hellmight freeze over before that happened. Both of us are too damned opinionated...and on the opposite side of too many issues for THAT sort of thing to last between us!
He's just big enough to admit when I am right (sometimes, anyway...)

Aww my hopes are dashed :cry:

:D:D:D

What? Between Corny and ME?!?!?
I think Hellmight freeze over before that happened. Both of us are too damned opinionated...and on the opposite side of too many issues for THAT sort of thing to last between us!
He's just big enough to admit when I am right (sometimes, anyway...)



Well, they do say opposites attract...

Lyric :fluffle: Corny

Well, they do say opposites attract...

Lyric :fluffle: Corny

Now this is funny :D

You piss and moan about the rest of the world...how about then, instead of bitching about it, you go out and field a few teams from other parts of the worls that even deserve to be on the same field as our teams, and maybe then you might have something. Till then, be quiet. Not everyone gets to participate, and that's just the way it is. If your team isn't good enough, then it doesn't get to participate.

What the hell, do you want to include crappy teams from all sorts of other countries so that at the end we can all hold hands and sing "Kum ba ya?" Horse-shit. This is about being the best in the WORLD, and guess what?? America is the best in the world when it comes to baseball...so just deal with it. Till you can come up with teams that can compete on our level, don't come hat in hand asking to be included in our contests. when you can compete on our level, talk to us. Till then, go away. Come back when you can actually compete on our level.

Oh, and P.S.
The WORLD is represented by our sport, and guess why? All the GOOD players from other countries aspire to come and play for our teams, and many of them do. Iguchi, from the White sox is from Japan. Contreras is a Cuban defector. We have players from Haiti, the Dominican Republic, others from Japan, etc. So, while the teams may all be BASED in two countries (Canada and America) it still IS representative of the best players in the world, regardless of where they play...there are many countries around the world represented by various players in our leagues.

We don't restrict players to be only Americans...or Canadians. As I said, just on the White Sox, there's at least 4 countries represented. America, obviously, Japan (Iguchi) Cuba (Contreras) and the manager himself, Ozzie Guillen, is from Venezuela! There's four countries just off the top of my head, all represented by the White Sox. and that does not count any possibles from say Haiti, or the Dominican Republic, only because I am not sure of the countries of origin of all the players on the White Sox, but I know four for a fact. And, as a I said those would be America, Japan, Cuba, and Venezuela...all represented in the Chicago White Sox. so now what? there goes your argument, right down the toilet. It is damn well TOO the World Series. You just don't have teams in other countries, because the good players from your countries want to play in ours, they can compete on our level, and they want the money that goes along with playing at our level.

Like I said, when you can come up with a league of teams from other countries, who can compete on our level, in terms of quality of play, and payscale to attract high-caliber players...then talk to me. Until then, accept the fact that, while all the teams may be based in America, they contain players from many countries, and thus, are representative of the best players the world has to offer.

Firstly - when and if we come up with teams you can call it a world series. Untill then you cant because you do not have the entire world

Secondly - it is not a world series because the only countries that can win are America and Canada. It is a world series when every country has an equal represntation and an equal chance of taking part, and only one team per country.

*snip*

Give up. Your not going to win this arguement. To many people against you :D

No its not

The entire world is not represented because, you see, while you have players from other countries, what you dont have are entire teams from that country. Or any other country. It is a world series when every country in the world is equally represented and has a fair chance of winning, not when one country has all the teams in it and its only ever going to be them.

again...when you can field a team from your own country, and you can pay competitively enough to attract the best talent...you can locate your team anywhere you want, and apply to join our leagues, and play on our level. Until then, STFU...this isn't Little League where everyone gets to make the team. Not everyone gets a little "participation ribbon" so that they can feel good.

Until you can field a team that can actually compete...financially, to attract the sort of talent you need....so that you can compete on our level ON THE FIELD...quit your stupid whining. Players from your country ASPIRE to come and play over here because we attract the best talent, because we can pay for it. Thus, our Series IS representative of the best players the world has to offer.

This is not the pussy-ass World Cup, soccer bullshit. This is big-time, it is professional. Not everyone gets to play. so go cry some more about it.

The rest of the world, when they can compete on our level...are more than welcome to field teams...and apply to join our leagues. Until then, we will continue to attract the best players from your countries, and that is the way it is, and if you don't like it, too fucking bad.

It is the World Series, and all your pissing, moaning, and crying and hand-wringing is NOT going to change the fact that all the best players in the WORLD are represented in our leagues...they CHOOSE to and ASPIRE to play in our leagues, because we can pay the big bucks.

So too bad. This game is about money. the best want to be PAID like the best. Like I said, this is no bullshit "sport" like soccer. There is no World Cup in baseball, because all the best players in the world WANT to play here in America. Deal with it.

Well, they do say opposites attract...

Lyric :fluffle: Corny

I now have snarfed-up Pepsi all over my computer monitor! Thanks a lot!! Asshole!! :D

Firstly - when and if we come up with teams you can call it a world series. Untill then you cant because you do not have the entire world

Secondly - it is not a world series because the only countries that can win are America and Canada. It is a world series when every country has an equal represntation and an equal chance of taking part, and only one team per country.
Bullshit. This isn't the stupid-assed world of soccer. Y'all can't even play FOOTBALL right!
The best players in all the world come here to play. And they do so because we have the big bucks that can attract that very talent.

Your argument is stupid, the whining petulence of a little kid who is pissed off because he didn't get picked for the teams. So how about you pick up your ball and go home?

again...when you can field a team from your own country, and you can pay competitively enough to attract the best talent...you can locate your team anywhere you want, and apply to join our leagues, and play on our level. Until then, STFU...this isn't Little League where everyone gets to make the team. Not everyone gets a little "participation ribbon" so that they can feel good.

Until you can field a team that can actually compete...financially, to attract the sort of talent you need....so that you can compete on our level ON THE FIELD...quit your stupid whining. Players from your country ASPIRE to come and play over here because we attract the best talent, because we can pay for it. Thus, our Series IS representative of the best players the world has to offer.

This is not the pussy-ass World Cup, soccer bullshit. This is big-time, it is professional. Not everyone gets to play. so go cry some more about it.

The rest of the world, when they can compete on our level...are more than welcome to field teams...and apply to join our leagues. Until then, we will continue to attract the best players from your countries, and that is the way it is, and if you don't like it, too fucking bad.

It is the World Series, and all your pissing, moaning, and crying and hand-wringing is NOT going to change the fact that all the best players in the WORLD are represented in our leagues...they CHOOSE to and ASPIRE to play in our leagues, because we can pay the big bucks.

So too bad. This game is about money. the best want to be PAID like the best. Like I said, this is no bullshit "sport" like soccer. There is no World Cup in baseball, because all the best players in the world WANT to play here in America. Deal with it.

Firstly, dont even start on football (soccer to you). All of your players are comming over to Europe to play in the UEFA and the Priemiership (which full title is the "English" premiership). The same thing is happening to us here as it is to you. And that is exactly my point. Untill more teams are included from other parts of the world, the name is not accurate. You may have players that come from all over the world but that doesnt matter. Ultimately the system is rigged in favour of the US. Sport is not about money, so wheter its professional or not is irrelevent. Sport is (supprisingly) about sportsmanship, something that many Americans dont have a propper grasp on anymore.

Bullshit. This isn't the stupid-assed world of soccer. Y'all can't even play FOOTBALL right!
The best players in all the world come here to play. And they do so because we have the big bucks that can attract that very talent.

Your argument is stupid, the whining petulence of a little kid who is pissed off because he didn't get picked for the teams. So how about you pick up your ball and go home?

You go Girl :)

Hit'em again! Hit'em again! Harder Harder!

Give up. Your not going to win this arguement. To many people against you :D

Hey, Corny...what say we give this guy his wish. He can field a team...the best he can find from whatever country he is from. We, as America, will put up the San Diego Padres. And I'll laugh my ass off when we hand his team their ass on a silver platter, winning the game, like 78-2 or some shit like that.

I mean, it'll be like all those games Charile Brown's team played, right??

And, like I said, we will even give them a fair chance by putting up as our representative, the San Diego Padres, arguably the shittiest team ever to make our postseason!

Whaddaya say, think he'd take us up on the offer?

:D

Bullshit. This isn't the stupid-assed world of soccer. Y'all can't even play FOOTBALL right!
The best players in all the world come here to play. And they do so because we have the big bucks that can attract that very talent.

1. Football (what you call soccer) was called football first, so if anything, you are playing it wrong

2. In American football, you barely use your feet at all, which one is more accurately named "football"


Your argument is stupid, the whining petulence of a little kid who is pissed off because he didn't get picked for the teams. So how about you pick up your ball and go home?

Ad Hommein (I think that may be misspelt) is a logical falacy. Insulting the debater is not a valid arguement

Hey, Corny...what say we give this guy his wish. He can field a team...the best he can find from whatever country he is from. We, as America, will put up the San Diego Padres. And I'll laugh my ass off when we hand his team their ass on a silver platter, winning the game, like 78-2 or some shit like that.

HAHA!! I'll be laughing with you :D Wanna share popcorn? I'll buy :D

I mean, it'll be like all those games Charile Brown's team played, right??

Yep!

And, like I said, we will even give them a fair chance by putting up as our representative, the San Diego Padres, arguably the shittiest team ever to make our postseason!

Amen :)

Whaddaya say, think he'd take us up on the offer?

:D

Nope. But if he did, can I throw out the 1st pitch? :D

Firstly, dont even start on football (soccer to you). All of your players are comming over to Europe to play in the UEFA and the Priemiership (which full title is the "English" premiership). The same thing is happening to us here as it is to you. And that is exactly my point. Untill more teams are included from other parts of the world, the name is not accurate. You may have players that come from all over the world but that doesnt matter. Ultimately the system is rigged in favour of the US. Sport is not about money, so wheter its professional or not is irrelevent. Sport is (supprisingly) about sportsmanship, something that many Americans dont have a propper grasp on anymore.
Whether you like it or not, sport IS about money.
why do you think American soccer players are going over to Europe to play? Because Americans could give a shit less about soccer, there is no professional market for it here. So, the best from our country want to play in Europe, because, over there, for some damn stupid reason I don't understand...there IS a market for it over there...thus over THERE...THEY can attract the best talent from all over the world.

You don't hear us pissing and moaning about it, do you?

Because we could give a rat's ass about a dumb-ass game like soccer where you aren't even allowed to use your hands!

Dumb-assed game. But our American talent aspires to play over in Europe, because there IS a market for it in Europe...and they can afford to pay the salaries that attract the best talent.

That is the way it is, and no amount of wishing otherwise is going to change it.

Yeah, it's supposed to be about sportsmanship, but, at the end of the day, it is about money, and who can attract the best talent. Deal with it.

Avalon STFU. If you want to be anti-American go make your own thread and get the fuck out of mine. I can't stand fucking Europe right now. You are really pissing me off.

It is the World Series. I'd like to see your nation field a team that can beat a team of US All-Stars. Until that day occurs, shut up. This is MY thread. I am ehre to discuss the Sox vs. Astros.

Just before I leave, the USA actually has a football team, and I truly hope England draw them in the world cup, it would be hilarious. Moreover, we dont actually have a baseball team, unless there's one populated by US embassy staff, and dont want one, you actually try to play foot ball.

Just before I leave, the USA actually has a football team, and I truly hope England draw them in the world cup, it would be hilarious. Moreover, we dont actually have a baseball team, unless there's one populated by US embassy staff, and dont want one, you actually try to play foot ball.

Actually, in soccer, Team USA is currently ranked 7th by FIFA!

I now have snarfed-up Pepsi all over my computer monitor! Thanks a lot!! Asshole!! :D

You're welcome.

So where is the I don't care because the only team that matters, the Yankees, arent in it choice?

1. Football (what you call soccer) was called football first, so if anything, you are playing it wrong

2. In American football, you barely use your feet at all, which one is more accurately named "football"



Ad Hommein (I think that may be misspelt) is a logical falacy. Insulting the debater is not a valid arguement

Ad Hominem is not a logical fallacy but you are correct that, in debate, it is somewhat a low blow. But I was making a metaphorical reference to what your argument sounds like. And, sorry, but it does sound like the whiny, crybaby kid who is pissed off when he isn't picked for any of the teams. I know what that is like, incidentally, because I was not very good at sports as a kid, and frequently did not get picked for the team.

Well, not everyone gets to play. Only the best get to. That is why it is called the World Series. It is representative of the best players the world over. Just because the team is based here in the States...or in one case, Canada...does not mean all the players are from there.

In fact, probably every team in our leagues represents many nations. We do not have an "All-American" team. That isn't the way it works. The way it works is...whoever can afford the best talent gets it...anywhere it is available.

HAHA!! I'll be laughing with you :D Wanna share popcorn? I'll buy :D



Yep!



Amen :)



Nope. But if he did, can I throw out the 1st pitch? :D

Screw you, it was MY idea...You can throw out the second pitch. That first one is mine.
Then we can get Lucy to hold a football for Avalon, eh?? :D

Screw you, it was MY idea...You can throw out the second pitch. That first one is mine.
Then we can get Lucy to hold a football for Avalon, eh?? :D

We'll throw it out together :D

As for Avalon, yea we can get Lucy to hold a football for Avalon :D

Ad Hominem is not a logical fallacy but you are correct that, in debate, it is somewhat a low blow. But I was making a metaphorical reference to what your argument sounds like. And, sorry, but it does sound like the whiny, crybaby kid who is pissed off when he isn't picked for any of the teams. I know what that is like, incidentally, because I was not very good at sports as a kid, and frequently did not get picked for the team.

Well, not everyone gets to play. Only the best get to. That is why it is called the World Series. It is representative of the best players the world over. Just because the team is based here in the States...or in one case, Canada...does not mean all the players are from there.

In fact, probably every team in our leagues represents many nations. We do not have an "All-American" team. That isn't the way it works. The way it works is...whoever can afford the best talent gets it...anywhere it is available.

The way it should work, in my opinon (and this is also how it does work in the World Cup) is that there should be an American team, and all Canadian team, an all Brazilian team, an all French team, an all Indiean team etc of all the nations who want to/can play. Thus you have an equal and formalised notion of it being "world". Then you have them play it out in a tournment. That way there is equal chance for every country if they all have one team. At present its just the Americans. Sport shouldnt be about who can afford the best talant, it should be about who is the most talanted.

Screw you, it was MY idea...You can throw out the second pitch. That first one is mine.
Then we can get Lucy to hold a football for Avalon, eh?? :D

See!!!

Already bitching like an old married couple. :D

So where is the I don't care because the only team that matters, the Yankees, arent in it choice?

Jesus Christ. Goddamn Yankee fans who act like it is their divine right to be in the World Series every goddamned year.

Well, for once you finally got beaten. Accept it, go home and watch this years' best from your living room sofa.

Get better next year, and maybe you will be back.

Earn it. Don't get all huffy because someone got the better of you. You sound like the same little kid as Avalon sounds like...the little petulant kid with his lower lip stuck out, pouting and pissed off because he didn't get picked to play.

Deal with it.

I'm so freaking glad that, for once, the gaddamn Yankees aren't in it!

P.S. May I ask you how hard it is for you to root for a team that wins almost every year? Wow, real tough to root for a constant winner!

Try being a 34-year long suffering White Sox fan...like me....or a long-suffering 20-year fan of the Astros, like me!!

For once, not just one, but BOTH of the teams I love got into the Series. And this is the first time IN MY ENTIRE LIFETIME that either team got there...so of course, they both do it in the same year so that I'm left with the dilemma of who the fuck do I root for this time?!!?

Jesus Christ. Goddamn Yankee fans who act like it is their divine right to be in the World Series every goddamned year.

You know what's even funnier Lyric? The Yankees have never won a World Series with a Republican in the White House :D The Trend continues. Down with the Evil Empire.

Well, for once you finally got beaten. Accept it, go home and watch this years' best from your living room sofa.

I second

Get better next year, and maybe you will be back.

Hopefully not. I don't want them in the playoffs anymore.

Earn it. Don't get all huffy because someone got the better of you. You sound like the same little kid as Avalon sounds like...the little petulant kid with his lower lip stuck out, pouting and pissed off because he didn't get picked to play.

Priceless :D

Deal with it.

LOL! Yank fans don't know how :D

I'm so freaking glad that, for once, the gaddamn Yankees aren't in it!

You ain't the only one :)

Jesus Christ. Goddamn Yankee fans who act like it is their divine right to be in the World Series every goddamned year.
Well duh thats the way it is.

Well, for once you finally got beaten. Accept it, go home and watch this years' best from your living room sofa.

Get better next year, and maybe you will be back.

Earn it. Don't get all huffy because someone got the better of you. You sound like the same little kid as Avalon sounds like...the little petulant kid with his lower lip stuck out, pouting and pissed off because he didn't get picked to play.

Deal with it.

I'm so freaking glad that, for once, the gaddamn Yankees aren't in it!

P.S. May I ask you how hard it is for you to root for a team that wins almost every year? Wow, real tough to root for a constant winner!

Try being a 34-year long suffering White Sox fan...like me....or a long-suffering 20-year fan of the Astros, like me!!

For once, not just one, but BOTH of the teams I love got into the Series. And this is the first time IN MY ENTIRE LIFETIME that either team got there...so of course, they both do it in the same year so that I'm left with the dilemma of who the fuck do I root for this time?!!?

Someone didn't get the sarcasm in that post. Hell I'm not even much of a baseball fan here. And you seem to make alot of personal attacks Lyric. Stop that its not cool. Jeez I think I have to put :rolleyes: in all of the posts I make that arent supposed to be taken seriously from now on.

Whether you like it or not, sport IS about money.
why do you think American soccer players are going over to Europe to play? Because Americans could give a shit less about soccer, there is no professional market for it here. So, the best from our country want to play in Europe, because, over there, for some damn stupid reason I don't understand...there IS a market for it over there...thus over THERE...THEY can attract the best talent from all over the world.

You don't hear us pissing and moaning about it, do you?

Because we could give a rat's ass about a dumb-ass game like soccer where you aren't even allowed to use your hands!

Dumb-assed game. But our American talent aspires to play over in Europe, because there IS a market for it in Europe...and they can afford to pay the salaries that attract the best talent.

That is the way it is, and no amount of wishing otherwise is going to change it.

Yeah, it's supposed to be about sportsmanship, but, at the end of the day, it is about money, and who can attract the best talent. Deal with it.

What I am complaining about is not that sport is about money but that you have the arrogence to call your tournemtn a world series despite there only being two countries teams involved. We call the UEFA cup the UEFA cup because UEFA stands for "Uniter EUROPEAN football ascoation" despite the fact that we have players from North America, Africa, Asia, Oceinia etc all over the place. We still call it UEFA because we know Europe is not the world.

The way it should work, in my opinon (and this is also how it does work in the World Cup) is that there should be an American team, and all Canadian team, an all Brazilian team, an all French team, an all Indiean team etc of all the nations who want to/can play. Thus you have an equal and formalised notion of it being "world". Then you have them play it out in a tournment. That way there is equal chance for every country if they all have one team. At present its just the Americans. Sport shouldnt be about who can afford the best talant, it should be about who is the most talanted.

It IS about who is most talented!!
Can you hit or throw, with any accuracy, a 100 MPH fastball?

It just so happens that the best talent wants to be PAID for their talent. Your opinion doesn't mean bullocks.

Bullshit. This isn't the stupid-assed world of soccer. Y'all can't even play FOOTBALL right!
The best players in all the world come here to play. And they do so because we have the big bucks that can attract that very talent.

Your argument is stupid, the whining petulence of a little kid who is pissed off because he didn't get picked for the teams. So how about you pick up your ball and go home?

FOOTBALL moron! FOOT ball is played with the feet exclusively, not carried by men in battle armour and masculinity issues. Incidentally, I'm a bloody brilliant footballer, I play for my town club, I just take offence to american sports played by americans, for americans, which are then decryed as world sports.

You know what's even funnier Lyric? The Yankees have never won a World Series with a Republican in the White House :D The Trend continues. Down with the Evil Empire.



I second



Hopefully not. I don't want them in the playoffs anymore.



Priceless :D



LOL! Yank fans don't know how :D



You ain't the only one :)


Damn...something ELSE we agree on...You're SCARING ME, Corny... :D

Someone didn't get the sarcasm in that post. Hell I'm not even much of a baseball fan here. And you seem to make alot of personal attacks Lyric. Stop that its not cool. Jeez I think I have to put :rolleyes: in all of the posts I make that arent supposed to be taken seriously from now on.

Don't pick on Lyric. She has done nothing to deserve it!

Actually, in soccer, Team USA is currently ranked 7th by FIFA!

Indeed, and yet Mexico are ranked highly as well. The rankings relate to the temas receent performance, irrespective of the opposition. I guarrantee you the USA woyld lose embaressingly to at least the following; Brazil, France, Spain, England, Argentina, Uraguay, Italy, Holland, Czech Republic, Germany, Turkey, and countless others.

Don't pick on Lyric. She has done nothing to deserve it!

You sound like the same little kid as Avalon sounds like...the little petulant kid with his lower lip stuck out, pouting and pissed off because he didn't get picked to play.
So what did I do to deserve this? She takes shots at people she doesn't even know for no reason. Its anoying and just plain rude.

So what did I do to deserve this? She takes shots at people she doesn't even know for no reason. Its anoying and just plain rude.

Don't talk about lyric like that, your hurting my feelings :cry:

Don't talk about lyric like that, your hurting my feelings :cry:
:rolleyes:

What I am complaining about is not that sport is about money but that you have the arrogence to call your tournemtn a world series despite there only being two countries teams involved. We call the UEFA cup the UEFA cup because UEFA stands for "Uniter EUROPEAN football ascoation" despite the fact that we have players from North America, Africa, Asia, Oceinia etc all over the place. We still call it UEFA because we know Europe is not the world.

When it contains all the best players in the world, and is thus representative of the world, it is justified to call it World Series.

Like I said...you go an field a team from your country...ONLY your country...be very xenophobic about it, make sure that they are ONLY from your country. We will, as our representives, send The San Diego Padres. We'll play you. We'll beat your ass, like 78-2, and no one will care to watch it, ratings will be zero, because your team will have even less talent than the Padres (if that's possible) and it will be boring, no one will watch it, and so your tournament will die off.

then will you go away with your dumb-ass idea about trying to structure baseball like the dumb-ass World Cup in a dumb-ass sport called SOCCER?

When it contains all the best players in the world, and is thus representative of the world, it is justified to call it World Series.

Like I said...you go an field a team from your country...ONLY your country...be very xenophobic about it, make sure that they are ONLY from your country. We will, as our representives, send The San Diego Padres. We'll play you. We'll beat your ass, like 78-2, and no one will care to watch it, ratings will be zero, because your team will have even less talent than the Padres (if that's possible) and it will be boring, no one will watch it, and so your tournament will die off.

then will you go away with your dumb-ass idea about trying to structure baseball like the dumb-ass World Cup in a dumb-ass sport called SOCCER?

Why, pray tell me, is a sport with tradition, skill and glamour "dumb ass"?

It IS about who is most talented!!
Can you hit or throw, with any accuracy, a 100 MPH fastball?

It just so happens that the best talent wants to be PAID for their talent. Your opinion doesn't mean bullocks.

No, its about who buys the most talanted. Its the same problem with football at the moment. Chelsea is at the top of the league by a long way but thats because they can afford to buy all the good players, not because they bought players and trained them to be better and got them to develop talant like Manchester United used to do. I'm a Crystal Palace fan myself, but thats just a local thing

:rolleyes:

No need to roll your eyes up at me. Only I can pick on Lyric :D

No need to roll your eyes up at me. Only I can pick on Lyric :D

I'd like to see that clause in writting please. Otherwise I own the rights to that along with the ability to choose who wins the world series.

I'd like to see that clause in writting please. Otherwise I own the rights to that along with the ability to choose who wins the world series.

Because I've always picked on her. Only I have that right. I'll sue you if you try to take my right away from me.

Because I've always picked on her. Only I have that right. I'll sue you if you try to take my right away from me.

Sue me, are you kidding? I'll just get my friends up on the hill to make it as if you've never existed.:p

Sue me, are you kidding? I'll just get my friends up on the hill to make it as if you've never existed.:p

I'll call in some friends of my family and they'll wipe that hill out of existence :p

Because I've always picked on her. Only I have that right. I'll sue you if you try to take my right away from me.

Corny and Lyric
Sittin' in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First comes love
Then comes marriage
Then comes Lyric with the baby carriage

I'll call in some friends of my family and they'll wipe that hill out of existence :p

Your friends and family are willing to go against soldiers on Capitol Hill?:rolleyes:

Your friends and family are willing to go against soldiers on Capitol Hill?:rolleyes:

CIVIL WAR!!!!! LOL!!! :p

CIVIL WAR!!!!! LOL!!! :p
:rolleyes:

Why, pray tell me, is a sport with tradition, skill and glamour "dumb ass"?

Because you can't use your hands. How dumb is that?

I'd like to see that clause in writting please. Otherwise I own the rights to that along with the ability to choose who wins the world series.

Actually, Corny, I fired the first salvo on this one, so Economic Associates gets a right to respond this time...sorry.

I made the snarky comments about Yankee fans.

Incidentally, I have the same attitude towards Braves fans, and their damn stupid obnoxious "Tomahawk Chop" thing.

But, in all seriousness...how hard IS it to root for a team that almost always wins? That's not a fan. A fan is someone who can root for a team, live and ide with their team for years on end, like me. All my life, 34 years, with the White Sox...and 20 years now also an Astro fan (born South Side of Chicago, transplanted to Texas as a teenager, this is why I have two favorite teams)

Because you can't use your hands. How dumb is that?

A restriction like that means you have to have more skill to be proficient

Because I've always picked on her. Only I have that right. I'll sue you if you try to take my right away from me.

Her? Heh, another one I thought was a guy.

A restriction like that means you have to have more skill to be proficient

But its more fun to use your hands. :D

Game 2 is now underway!

BACK BACK BACK! GONE! HOMERUN BY ENSBERG

Houston strikes first on the 1st pitch in the Top of the 2nd!

After 4, the game is tied at 2 apiece.

Crede can't come up with this ball and it turns into a double :D

I guess he is human after all :D

At the end of 5, Astros lead 4-2!

Lets go Astros, LETS GO!

Iguchi just got picked off of first to end the fifth.

GRAND SLAM BY THE CHICAGO WHITE SOX! HOMER HIT BY KONERKO! MAKES IT 6-4 WHITE SOX

Do we have a possible Controversy? Did the ball actually hit Dye or did it hit his bat?

According to what I have seen on the replay, it looked like it hit the bat and not the arm of Dye.

2 OUT 2 RUN SINGLE TIES IT AT 6

WHITE SOX HIT A SOLO HOMERUN TO WIN GAME 2!

I tried to watch The Simpsons on Fox, but alas....

I turned it back off.

same thing every year.....


The only improvement this year is that they didn't
wait until November to make new episodes.
Still it was all down hill after the first couple seasons,
same with any show.

Damn, I'm loving this!

I'll admit to being a bit disappointed Houston didn't win this one, because, though I want to see the Sox win in the end, I still want to see this Series go seven games, so was hpoing for a Houston win tonight, just to keep the Series tied. Since I am a 20-year fan of the Astros...and a 34-year fan of the White Sox, this is, of course, a very tough Series for me.

But, damn, neither team gives in when they are down....they keep battling back, and the games have all been close so far, so I'm getting good show, here. I just want seven games because I want MORE good show!!

Hell, 'Stros up 4-2...ok, it was a shit call by the ump on the hit-batsman on Dye...it hit his bat, not him...but, again, you should not be getting yourself into situations where one bad call can screw you. At least, this time, it wasn't Pierszynski in the middle of the controversy!

Crap call that it was, without that, we wouldn't have the awesome Konerko grand slam to talk about...and he golfed the CRAP outta that ball, totally awesome...and so then it's 6-4 White Sox...still cool by me, because it's within 2 runs.

So then, Vizcaino comes up with the clutch hit for the 'Stros, and ties it up 6-6 in the ninth inning. The 'Stros did not just lay down and die, they battled back yet again!

Then, the moon shot off Lidge, once again...sheesh, that guy is having NO luck in the postseason...I kinda feel sorry for him, because he's a lot better than that. But, again, there go the White Sox...and Podsednik comes thru with that shot to win it in the bottom of the ninth, 7-6. Another close game, a lot of back and forth battling, both teams REFUSING to just give up...this is fucking GREAT baseball!!

So now we got the Konerko and Podsednik homers to talk about...the great effort of Houston to come back to tie it in the ninth, the great clutch hit by Vizcaino...this is fucking exciting baseball!!

Damn, I want seven games of this!!

Like I said, being a longer term fan of the Sox than of the Astros, I still wanna see the Sox win it all, but damn, can we please go seven games?? This is baseball at it's best!!

For anyone confused about my position, you need to understand that I was born on the South Side of Chicago, so native Chicagoan, and White Sox fan from birth, I practically grew up in the old Comiskey Park. I was there in 1977...1983...I remember the shower in the outfield...Disco Demolition...all of it, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I remember "Winning Ugly" back in 1983.

So, I have been a White Sox fan for all my 34 years.

BUT, when I was a teenager, my family up and moved to Texas. I needed a hometown team to root for, because the Internet wasn't really around then, and you couldn't get good media coverage on out-of-town teams...not like you can now. So, I retained my love of the White Sox, always wanted to see them do well...and the Astros became my hometown team...because I could NOT root for the Rangers (they were in direct competition with the White Sox at that time, both being in the Western Division, back in the days when there were only two divisions in each league.)

So, I became an Astro fan, and have been one for 20 years now.

By the time we left Texas, one was able, thru the Internet, to follow out-of town teams, and so, even with a move to Pennsylvania, I never gave a shit for the Phillies and never will. My two teams are the White Sox and the Astros.

I have waited ALL MY LIFE to see either of those two, my beloved teams...win a pennant. So they both go and do it in the same year, making me want to root for a tie! In the end, my longer term allegiance to the White Sox wins out, but I still want to see seven games...especially seven games as exciting as the first two have been!!

All the games close, no blowouts...niether team giving up and dying...always battling back...damn, this has been, for me, a postseason of dreams! I don't want this to EVER end!!

I still say the 'Stros are gonna win Tuesday. No way do the Sox beat Oswalt, and especially not in Minute Maid Park, either. After that, well, who can say for sure, but I feel reasonably sure the 'Stros win it on Tuesday to make the Series 2-1. I just hope Game 3 is every bit as exciting!

Brad Lidge really knows how to choke.

A restriction like that means you have to have more skill to be proficient
No, it is a dumb-assed game. Why not just chop their hands off entirely?

What the hell? I can't think of any other "sport" in the world that restricts you from using any particular portion of your anatomy.

Only the dumb-assed game correctly called SOCCER. It's not football.

Football is played with a brown oval ball, not a round white one with black dots.

George Carlin - "Another reason soccer isn't a sport, you can't use your hands. Tap dancing isn't a sport, I rest my case. And another thing about soccer, they got dots on the ball...that's a big rule of mine, no gaddamn dots on the ball!! My rules, I make 'em up!!"

Ugh, enough with the wanking already.

Do we have a possible Controversy? Did the ball actually hit Dye or did it hit his bat?

According to what I have seen on the replay, it looked like it hit the bat and not the arm of Dye.

It hit the bat. But see my post above.
Shit call, but you shouldn't put yourself in a situation where one bad call by an ump can screw you.

Besides, without the bad call we wouldn't have Konerko's grand slam, Vizcaino's great clutch hit and Houston's great comeback in the ninth...or Podsednik's awesome shot to end it all to talk about!

Without that one shit call, this game would not have been as exciting! Maybe the 'Stros win without that bad call. Maybe not. We'll never know. But it led to some exciting moments to talk about forever, so I'm not too upset about that call. Just wish Houston coulda won this one, so it could be 1-1 Series tied, because I still want to see seven games of this!

Brad Lidge really knows how to choke.

Nah. He kicks ass in clutch situations all year. He's young and inexperienced...he's rattled...and the Sox ARE just that damned good. Lidge is a damn good pitcher, it's not his fault.

And Houston's still got nothing to be ashamed of. This has been so far a very exciting Series, and all the games close...both teams refusing to concede a lead to the other side, always battling back...this is truly awesome.

Lidge just had the bad luck the last couple games. You can't judge him by what you have seen in these past couple games. I have been watching Lidge for two years now that he's been Houston's closer. And he's damn good. I daresay his postseason inexperience may be affecting him somewhat.

Not a choke. Just inexperience.

Jenks kinda "choked" there too, didn't he? But you're not saying that, because the Sox ended up winning. I don't think Jenks choked, either. He, too, is young and no postseason experience, and Vizcaino IS that good of a clutch hitter. He got on the unlucky side of the ball there.

No different than Lidge.

George Carlin: football vs baseball
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor7.shtml


Carlin on other "sports", errr, activities.
http://www.boredatuni.com/stuff.php?stuffId=11

Nah. He kicks ass in clutch situations all year. He's young and inexperienced...he's rattled...and the Sox ARE just that damned good. Lidge is a damn good pitcher, it's not his fault.

And Houston's still got nothing to be ashamed of. This has been so far a very exciting Series, and all the games close...both teams refusing to concede a lead to the other side, always battling back...this is truly awesome.

Lidge just had the bad luck the last couple games. You can't judge him by what you have seen in these past couple games. I have been watching Lidge for two years now that he's been Houston's closer. And he's damn good. I daresay his postseason inexperience may be affecting him somewhat.

Not a choke. Just inexperience.

Jenks kinda "choked" there too, didn't he? But you're not saying that, because the Sox ended up winning. I don't think Jenks choked, either. He, too, is young and no postseason experience, and Vizcaino IS that good of a clutch hitter. He got on the unlucky side of the ball there.

No different than Lidge.

True.

No, it is a dumb-assed game. Why not just chop their hands off entirely?

What the hell? I can't think of any other "sport" in the world that restricts you from using any particular portion of your anatomy.

Only the dumb-assed game correctly called SOCCER. It's not football.

Football is played with a brown oval ball, not a round white one with black dots.

George Carlin - "Another reason soccer isn't a sport, you can't use your hands. Tap dancing isn't a sport, I rest my case. And another thing about soccer, they got dots on the ball...that's a big rule of mine, no gaddamn dots on the ball!! My rules, I make 'em up!!"

Oh do piss off. I enquire once more as to why FOOTBALL (one actually uses one's foot therein) is "dumb-ass". Oh the eloquence! Football does indeed require immense skill, observe Ronaldinho or C.Ronaldo, and then compare the consumacy to the masculate buffoonery of any american sportsman. Furthermore, one can use one's hands in football, since Maradona did so:p

Finally, whose judgement and cultural capacity arewe to entrust our sporting preferences to, the cultural monolith that proffered the world Barney the purple dinosaur, fast food and hip hop music, and plays introspective, unskillful sports designed to entertain through action over consumacy, or the elegence and traditional sporting values of Europe.

What the hell? I can't think of any other "sport" in the world that restricts you from using any particular portion of your anatomy.

Basketball restricts you from using your feet to kick the ball

Thats just one example


Only the dumb-assed game correctly called SOCCER. It's not football.

Is it football, because you use your feet. In your idea of football, your using your hands most of the time. And dont forget, American football is practically a British invention too. Its Rugby but for whimps.


Football is played with a brown oval ball, not a round white one with black dots.

No, American football is played with a brown oval ball. Football is played whith a sphere (which incidentally is a more accurate use of the word ball, American football falls down on both parts of the word)


George Carlin - "Another reason soccer isn't a sport, you can't use your hands. Tap dancing isn't a sport, I rest my case. And another thing about soccer, they got dots on the ball...that's a big rule of mine, no gaddamn dots on the ball!! My rules, I make 'em up!!"

Tap dancing is not a sport because you require a judge to define the end result, rather than the end result being self evident. The same is true of areas such as gymnasitcs and figure skating. Football is a sport, and Americans will have to one day get used to the idea that they are one country, in a very big world, and that the world does not revolve around them.

For a dude that didn't hit a homer in the entire regular season, that ball got out of there quickly.

Fantastic game, BTW.

Basketball restricts you from using your feet to kick the ball

Thats just one example



Is it football, because you use your feet. In your idea of football, your using your hands most of the time. And dont forget, American football is practically a British invention too. Its Rugby but for whimps.



No, American football is played with a brown oval ball. Football is played whith a sphere (which incidentally is a more accurate use of the word ball, American football falls down on both parts of the word)



Tap dancing is not a sport because you require a judge to define the end result, rather than the end result being self evident. The same is true of areas such as gymnasitcs and figure skating. Football is a sport, and Americans will have to one day get used to the idea that they are one country, in a very big world, and that the world does not revolve around them.


Maybe not, but it sure as SHIT doesn't revolve around self-important, self-superior smug EUROPE!!!

Oh do piss off. I enquire once more as to why FOOTBALL (one actually uses one's foot therein) is "dumb-ass". Oh the eloquence! Football does indeed require immense skill, observe Ronaldinho or C.Ronaldo, and then compare the consumacy to the masculate buffoonery of any american sportsman. Furthermore, one can use one's hands in football, since Maradona did so:p

Finally, whose judgement and cultural capacity arewe to entrust our sporting preferences to, the cultural monolith that proffered the world Barney the purple dinosaur, fast food and hip hop music, and plays introspective, unskillful sports designed to entertain through action over consumacy, or the elegence and traditional sporting values of Europe.

Once again...Europe proves it's whiny, crybaby ways...insiting on it's own self-appointed pedestal of cultural superiority.

I'll have you know that the trash in our culture, like "American Idol" came from fucking EUROPE!!

Soccer is a dumb game. I've watched it on TV and it sucks. Boring as hell.

Goddamn, why can't you Europeans just stay the hell out of AMERICAN threads?!!?

PLEASE start a new thread for this debate. You are hijacking this thread.

This thread is for the discussion of the present World Series. Please start a naw thread.

Maybe not, but it sure as SHIT doesn't revolve around self-important, self-superior smug EUROPE!!!

Europe isnt the only place to play football. The whole world plays football. Hence how we have an actuall world cup. And Europe doesnt believe that the whole world revolves around us. We have actually come to that understanding, but Americans I see on here continally say things to the effect of "F*** the rest of the world, America first". If thats not an ethnocentric attiude I dont know what is

PLEASE start a new thread for this debate. You are hijacking this thread.

This thread is for the discussion of the present World Series. Please start a naw thread.

I disagree. I am discussing the world series in a diffrent fashion to the others, and I am entitled to. Hijacking would be to start talking about Creationism/Evolutionism now randomly

Once again...Europe proves it's whiny, crybaby ways...insiting on it's own self-appointed pedestal of cultural superiority.

I'll have you know that the trash in our culture, like "American Idol" came from fucking EUROPE!!

Soccer is a dumb game. I've watched it on TV and it sucks. Boring as hell.

Goddamn, why can't you Europeans just stay the hell out of AMERICAN threads?!!?

Try watching Real Madrid against Barcelona, boring, i think not, unless you need "pumped" brothers from the ghetto running into each other every second to proffer any entertainment. Incidentally, Europe's pedastal is not "self-appointed", it is utterly justified by 4 millenia of progresion, history and innovation, in the face of 2 centuries of anti-European, liberal, self aggrandising, introspective and overtly bluff american culture.

Incidentally, why can't you americans stay out of the affairs of the wider world? Did Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam or any other conquests ask to be invaded?

Once again...Europe proves it's whiny, crybaby ways...insiting on it's own self-appointed pedestal of cultural superiority.

I'll have you know that the trash in our culture, like "American Idol" came from fucking EUROPE!!

Soccer is a dumb game. I've watched it on TV and it sucks. Boring as hell.

Goddamn, why can't you Europeans just stay the hell out of AMERICAN threads?!!?

In your opinion, football is dumb. In your opinion. However in the opinion of many other people, all around the world, it is an exciting and amazing thing to do/watch. Now you are entitled to your opinion, but you cannot call people stupid for holding another opinion. And please note football is not a European thing only. Firstly, it was originall a British invention and the British will tell you (I being British myself) that they do not identify with being Euorpean. Secondly, it is the national passtime of so many nations around the world, it can hardly be called an exclusively European sport anymore

I disagree. I am discussing the world series in a diffrent fashion to the others, and I am entitled to. Hijacking would be to start talking about Creationism/Evolutionism now randomly

Quite true, we are merely discussing the issue as a whole.

Avalon, you sir are a legend.

The Chisox are up 2-0 now. This brings up an interesting point. Which curses do you guys think are/were real? I generally say that the "curses" in baseball are mainly a mix of bad management and bad luck. But, if anyone is cursed it's the Whitesox. Throwing the world series is the exact sort of thing that would bring on the wrath of the "baseball gods," not that there are any such things.

Lyric, you are lucky to have seen Comiskey I. I wasn't even 3 yet when I went to my 1st and only game there in 1990, the final season of that stadium. I don't even remember that stadium. All I have left is the pictures and the written history. I don't remember the kelly green slatback seats dating back to the 20's under Comiskey, I don't remember the arches, the original exploding scoreboard, the original Bullpen Sports Bar, the gold box seats, the roof where Kittle hit his moonshots over, the original Veeck showerhead. I wish I could remember that, but I was born too late for that.

Comiskey II (I refuse to call it USCF) is a great place to watch a game, but it isn't the original Comiskey. Sure things like the Veeck shower and the exploding scoreboard live on, and they are finally putting in green seats, but the new parks are nothing like the old parks (except I don't want a park to have the permanent urine stench of Pigley Field.)

ONE THING
THE SOX ARE NOT CURSED!!!

Suggesting it will piss off most Sox fans. Curses are bullshit made-up by losers (i.e. Flub fans) who are looking at an excuse other than the piss poor performance of management for why their team sucks. The Cubs aren't cursed and neither are the Sox. The Cubs just need an excuse for their suckiness. The Sox have had 88 years of futility due to constrained budgets (under Veeck), bad owners (Comiskey you cheap bastard and Reinsy too until recently), bad managers (I see Manuel and Bennington), bad players (look at 1970s outside of Dick Allen and Beltin' Bill Melton), or because the other teams were just better (see 1965 when they had 95 Ws and failed to make postseason play).

Oh, Avalon as the thread starter I can ask you to leave so DO NOT MAKE ANY MORE HIJACKING POSTS HERE OR THE MODS WILL BE CALLED!!!!!

i must admit.... i think the white sox got to the the world series on a fluke, and they may win it on a fluke. It's just like that steve berkman(i think that's his last name) guy who interfered w/ the foul ball. If the Sox win by only one game, i'm gonna blame the umpire. just like a million other fans of the Astros. But i admit, it was a damn good game. But it didn't help my mood, especially after the Cowboys blew their game earlier in the day..

And for those guys dissing baseball in the thread saying it's not a sport. I think some good points were made that i'll reiterate.

1. Baseball was created in 1905, and at the time, no other nation played it when the name World Series was coined.
2. Competitively speaking, the rest of the world sends it's best baseball players to play in the US, therefore, nations really can't compete at the same level (hince the reason why US only sent minor leaguers/college players to the olympics, and why did they cancel that?) (this could possibly be considered two points)
3. Toronto, admittedly not a US team, is a major league baseball team who HAS won the World Series. Therefore, you can't say it's an "American" only sport.

As far as you disputing others' opinions on soccer and rugby and the like, your opinion about my sport is just as high to me as theirs about your sports is to you.

Oh, Avalon as the thread starter I can ask you to leave so DO NOT MAKE ANY MORE HIJACKING POSTS HERE OR THE MODS WILL BE CALLED!!!!!

oh diddums....:rolleyes:

pwease dont report me mister IDF guy....

oh diddums....:rolleyes:

pwease dont report me mister IDF guy....

i think this is a good version of the technique called.... trolling :P

oh diddums....:rolleyes:

pwease dont report me mister IDF guy....
You too, get the fuck out of my thread!!!. If you want to discuss The Sox-Stro's match-up or any part of the games themself by all means talk baseball, but if you and Avalon are going to be whiny Europeans, then leave.

Oh, Avalon as the thread starter I can ask you to leave so DO NOT MAKE ANY MORE HIJACKING POSTS HERE OR THE MODS WILL BE CALLED!!!!!

It is not hijacking. I am discussing the world series. I am entitiled to do so. There is nothing about what I am discussing that can be considered thread jacking, in that I am offering my perspective on the world series.

ONE THING
THE SOX ARE NOT CURSED!!!

YES THEY ARE CURSED!

Sorry IDF, I couldn't resist :p

And for those guys dissing baseball in the thread saying it's not a sport. I think some good points were made that i'll reiterate.

I am not saying Baseball is not a sport, I am simpley saying the world series does not deserve the title, seing as it does not represent the world equally and fairly. The world cup on the other hand does.


1. Baseball was created in 1905, and at the time, no other nation played it when the name World Series was coined.

Baseball is a modification of rounders, a game invented in Britain. Just because you are the only ones to play it does not qualifiy you as the best in the world. It only qualifies you as best in so far as Tony Blair is the greatest UK PM of the 21st century. He is the only one. He has not been challenged and has no refernce frame. So its a stupid thing to say.


2. Competitively speaking, the rest of the world sends it's best baseball players to play in the US, therefore, nations really can't compete at the same level (hince the reason why US only sent minor leaguers/college players to the olympics, and why did they cancel that?) (this could possibly be considered two points).

This is also the case in the UEFA cup in football. However, just because the world is represented in players, does not make it a world series. A world series would be where every nation has a team made up of its citizens and there is only one team per nation. They enter qualifiying rounds and a tournment etc and then one wins. The point being that every nation stands an equal chance in so far as there is one team per nation.


3. Toronto, admittedly not a US team, is a major league baseball team who HAS won the World Series. Therefore, you can't say it's an "American" only sport.


Two countries do not count as the world. At best it is the North American series, not the world

I'm sorry, but this World Series has blown ass thus far. Should've known Houston was gonna lay down and let Ozzie and the boys ravage them.

I'm sorry, but this World Series has blown ass thus far. Should've known Houston was gonna lay down and let Ozzie and the boys ravage them.

Game 1 and 2 were not even close to what you are describing.

ONE THING
THE SOX ARE NOT CURSED!!!

Suggesting it will piss off most Sox fans. Curses are bullshit made-up by losers (i.e. Flub fans) who are looking at an excuse other than the piss poor performance of management for why their team sucks. The Cubs aren't cursed and neither are the Sox. The Cubs just need an excuse for their suckiness. The Sox have had 88 years of futility due to constrained budgets (under Veeck), bad owners (Comiskey you cheap bastard and Reinsy too until recently), bad managers (I see Manuel and Bennington), bad players (look at 1970s outside of Dick Allen and Beltin' Bill Melton), or because the other teams were just better (see 1965 when they had 95 Ws and failed to make postseason play).
I wasn't saying the White Sox are cursed. I absolutely agree with you that the "curses" don't exist. I was just saying that, if I had the power to hand out century long curses, the Blacksox scandle would have probably come closest to warrenting that kind of wrath.

I'm sorry, but this World Series has blown ass thus far. Should've known Houston was gonna lay down and let Ozzie and the boys ravage them.

Did you even watch Game 2? Can't wait for the Sox to finally win a World Series.

I am not saying Baseball is not a sport, I am simpley saying the world series does not deserve the title, seing as it does not represent the world equally and fairly. The world cup on the other hand does.

You're starting to get extremely irritating-you're regurgitating the same garbage over and over again despite all the counter-arguments that have justified the "World Series" title. Nobody here gives a shit what you think the "World Series" should be called. Europeans suck ass at it, so why even argue the point? To me it comes off as borderline flamebait...at this point you're just trying to get a rise out of us, and you're doing a good job. Why not just move on? Find another topic? You're not discussing anything, you're trying to get a reaction.

Baseball is a modification of rounders, a game invented in Britain.

Whatever man. Quit trying to represent your opinion as fact. Nobody's quite certain about the origins of baseball...it might've originated from rounders, but then again it's very possible it didn't. So quit talking out of your ass.

Just because you are the only ones to play it does not qualifiy you as the best in the world.

We're not the only ones to play it. Japan, South America, Cuba, Canada, the Domican Republic, and South Korea all field baseball teams. And we're better than all those teams combined.

It only qualifies you as best in so far as Tony Blair is the greatest UK PM of the 21st century. He is the only one. He has not been challenged and has no refernce frame. So its a stupid thing to say.

We've been challenged though, in the Olympics. And we've dominated...with fucking MINOR LEAGUERS and college players.

This is also the case in the UEFA cup in football. However, just because the world is represented in players, does not make it a world series. A world series would be where every nation has a team made up of its citizens and there is only one team per nation.

You're telling me EVERY fucking country in the world has a soccer team? WELL?

Two countries do not count as the world. At best it is the North American series, not the world

Neither does twenty countries. Or thirty. The world is the world...why call ANYTHING the world if the entire world isn't involved? It's a stupid fucking argument with no purpose except to piss us off.

Did you even watch Game 2? Can't wait for the Sox to finally win a World Series.

I sure did. Sox are up 2-0. That's domination. Were the games close? Sure. But what if games 3 and 4 are close and the Sox win those too? And they sweep Houston 4-0, or beat them 4-1 in series games? Even if all the games were close, that's still getting dominated. When you lose, you lose.

I sure did. Sox are up 2-0. That's domination. Were the games close? Sure. But what if games 3 and 4 are close and the Sox win those too? And they sweep Houston 4-0, or beat them 4-1 in series games? Even if all the games were close, that's still getting dominated. When you lose, you lose.

Apparently, someone here needs to realize that both Closers got hit off of. Not to mention there was that bad call as well. That ball clearly hit the bat and not the body. Even Dye was surprised by the call.

You need to go back and figure out what a great game is. Ok, I want the Astros to win this series too. However, even I recognize that games 1 and 2 were great games.

You're starting to get extremely irritating-you're regurgitating the same garbage over and over again despite all the counter-arguments that have justified the "World Series" title. Nobody here gives a shit what you think the "World Series" should be called. Europeans suck ass at it, so why even argue the point? To me it comes off as borderline flamebait...at this point you're just trying to get a rise out of us, and you're doing a good job. Why not just move on? Find another topic? You're not discussing anything, you're trying to get a reaction.

I am discussing something. I am entitled to. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the mods. I do not believe the countor arguements are adiqute yet, and I have refuted them. If you wish to continue the discussion, by all means. But you are not entitled to tell me what I can and cannot discuss.


Whatever man. Quit trying to represent your opinion as fact. Nobody's quite certain about the origins of baseball...it might've originated from rounders, but then again it's very possible it didn't. So quit talking out of your ass.

There are far too many similarities between rounders and baseball for them not to have come out of the same game.



We're not the only ones to play it. Japan, South America, Cuba, Canada, the Domican Republic, and South Korea all field baseball teams. And we're better than all those teams combined.

As far as I am aware, while there are Japanese teams and South American teams etc, these do not play in the world series. Further more the vast majority of the teams in the world series are American. A world series should have one team from every country that plays the sport.


We've been challenged though, in the Olympics. And we've dominated...with fucking MINOR LEAGUERS and college players.

And you are entitled to call yourself olympic champions at Baseball. That is not what I am disputing


You're telling me EVERY fucking country in the world has a soccer team? WELL?

Pretty much. The countries that do certianly vastly outnumber the countries that don't. Also, swearing is indicative of a lack of advanced vocabulary and an inability to express yourself properly


Neither does twenty countries. Or thirty. The world is the world...why call ANYTHING the world if the entire world isn't involved? It's a stupid fucking argument with no purpose except to piss us off.

It would be the world series if the following conditions are met

1. Every country that plays the game at a professional/amatuer level on a national scale fields a team
2. There is only one team per country
3. The teams of each country are made up only of citizens of that country (that does not mean in the case of the US, before anyone declares me racist, that they must be caucasian. There are plenty of non caucasian American citizens)
4. The game is played under rules that are accepted by the majority of the countries involved (IE if everyone else plays X rule one way but Y country plays it another, then Y country needs to play it the way everyone else does)

This means that every country can participate fairly, with equal standing. At present the world series is unfairly dominated by the US.

It is not hijacking. I am discussing the world series. I am entitiled to do so. There is nothing about what I am discussing that can be considered thread jacking, in that I am offering my perspective on the world series.
Get the fuck out of here unless you plan on discussing great World Series moments like Kirk Gibson's Walkoff in 1988, Fisk's shot over the Monster, or this current series between the Stros and White Sox.

I've called the Mods after you continued to troll and hijack after I told you to stop destroying my thread on 3 seperate occasions.

It still hasn't sunk in we are up 2-0. I have waited my whole life for this. Both of my grandfathers were born after the last World Series win for the Sox and they both died before this year. I know they are up in heaven high fiving with Nellie Fox and Shoeless Joe over what this team is doing. My paternal grandfather used to have season tickets to Old Comiskey during the Go-Go Era that seems to have been reborn with the speed of Podsenik, the contact batting style of Iguchi, and the bunting that every player on this team (minus Frank Thomas) is able to do. I love the old school ball of these Sox. swinging bunts, 4-6-3s turned regularly, steals, sac flies, suicide squeezes. I love this team. Oh yeah, can't forget the CG shut-outs. I was at both of Jon Garland's home complete game shut-outs. (Both were 4 hitters against the Detroit Tigers.)

It still hasn't sunk in we are up 2-0. I have waited my whole life for this. Both of my grandfathers were born after the last World Series win for the Sox and they both died before this year. I know they are up in heaven high fiving with Nellie Fox and Shoeless Joe over what this team is doing. My paternal grandfather used to have season tickets to Old Comiskey during the Go-Go Era that seems to have been reborn with the speed of Podsenik, the contact batting style of Iguchi, and the bunting that every player on this team (minus Frank Thomas) is able to do. I love the old school ball of these Sox. swinging bunts, 4-6-3s turned regularly, steals, sac flies, suicide squeezes. I love this team. Oh yeah, can't forget the CG shut-outs. I was at both of Jon Garland's home complete game shut-outs. (Both were 4 hitters against the Detroit Tigers.)
I must confess to some trepidation that the Astros have lost the first 2, but, technically, it's really status quo, if you rely on each team winning at home. So at the moment, if Houston can win all their home games, they still have 2 more chances to win their 4th back in Chicago.

I have enjoyed the series so far - very close, things could have easily gone either way in both games. I am very disappointed in Lidge's performance, but pleasantly surprised with Taveras's performance, Ensberg's finally starting to hit, and Bagwell finally got a hit. Perhaps back at home, plus 2 games to figure out the Sox pitching, the Astros will perform better.

I disagree. I am discussing the world series in a diffrent fashion to the others, and I am entitled to. Hijacking would be to start talking about Creationism/Evolutionism now randomly
No, you're not entitled to. You're talking about random other sporting events and concepts that have nothing to do with the current American World Series. If you want to start your own 'baseball is evil' thread, feel free. You're done in this one.

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Try watching Real Madrid against Barcelona, boring, i think not, unless you need "pumped" brothers from the ghetto running into each other every second to proffer any entertainment. Incidentally, Europe's pedastal is not "self-appointed", it is utterly justified by 4 millenia of progresion, history and innovation, in the face of 2 centuries of anti-European, liberal, self aggrandising, introspective and overtly bluff american culture.

Incidentally, why can't you americans stay out of the affairs of the wider world? Did Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam or any other conquests ask to be invaded?
I couldn't agree more about America keeping it's nose out of those places. As an American, I hate seeing our tax dollars flushed down the toilet in places that are NOT AMERICA! I say we take care of our own here, first, and screw the rest of the world. To hell with them, we got people starving here in America. What thanks does the rest of the world have for America, when we are always first to arrive with help after a typhoon, an earthquake, some other natural disaster?

To hell with them. I need help right here, right now, in America. I need a damn job. My unemployment just ran out. I guess they expect me to just curl up and die while we pour more of our money down the toilet in Iraq, instead of helping people like me, who are victims of the George Bush economy.

I guess they expect me to just curl up and die while we pour more of our money down the toilet in Iraq, instead of helping people like me, who are victims of the George Bush economy.

are you still beating that drum? Maybe if you didn't spend so long bitching about not having a job, you might find the time to go and get a job.