NationStates Jolt Archive

You seem unable to differentiate between countries that are run by an absolute dictator with a divine right to rule from God, and countries that leave a few ornaments with no political power lying about in order to attract fat, rich tourists from said countries ruled by unelected theocrats.

Whether they have power or not they are still monarchies.

Yeah, the reason a Brittish invasion wouldn't work out might be the best funded army in the world (and about 10 times bigger), not a few civilians with guns :D

rule of thumb: map of the world

were is Britain? (top centre)

were is America? (far left)

see my point or maybe this:

"Britain invented the atomic bomb we just got the Americans to build and test it in there own country"-Al Murry

and of course I heard on the show QI (avoids responsibility :) ) you don't have baked beans!!!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.

England has a monarchy and democracy.

That little island once ruled the world almost . Of course we beat them but not only were we "them" but we also had the french to distract them ...hehehehe you know how they get around the French . Now we cant really kick ass because the world will explode and we will all die . But it was a hell of a run .

Nice summary...

know how to really make beer anyway limey

I invoke Hockin's Law! www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adages_named_after_people

The only good indigenous British food I'm aware of is Fish n' Chips!!
*shrug* That's the main difference between England and America - we import stuff, you import people.

Constitutional monarchy ike the Brits,
Actually, we have common law, not a constitution.

Unless he decides to make Camilla Queen
He can't.

The -ise ending is the haulmark of the badly educated. (And don't start about it being the prefered commonwealth english spelling, because it's not; that would be flat out wrong).
Um, no.

Well, let's face it, the only time Great Britain had tried republicanism before that wasn't exactly a success...
So true. We sure called Charles II back quick enough after Ollie died...

Actually, we have common law, not a constitution.


We have a constitution. It just isn't codified like the US Constitution.

Also, the government setup we have is frequently refered to as "Constitutional Monarchy." ie, a monarchy that works within a constitution, thankfully Britain's constitution is very restrictive in that sense.

Whether they have power or not they are still monarchies.
Perhaps, but you've just demonstrated that nobody actually living in the countries they reign over gives half as much of a shit about them as those outside of the country do.
perhaps you could explain how the chimp inheriting his old man's former job isn't an elitist nobility? The difference in here, is that the mouthbreathing inbred little cretin actually has some say in your country's political deportment. The Queen doesn't in ours.

Perhaps, but you've just demonstrated that nobody actually living in the countries they reign over gives half as much of a shit about them as those outside of the country do.
perhaps you could explain how the chimp inheriting his old man's former job isn't an elitist nobility? The difference in here, is that the mouthbreathing inbred little cretin actually has some say in your country's political deportment. The Queen doesn't in ours.

I'm not debating anything. I'm merely stating that Britain has a monarchy and the Queen is head of state. Not that I agree with it, I just accept the fact that she is.

I'm not debating anything. I'm merely stating that Britain has a monarchy and the Queen is head of state. Not that I agree with it, I just accept the fact that she is.
She doesn't do anything or have any say in the body politic. The sow is a window dressing to attract tourists. Arguing that the existance of the Royal Family makes the UK less progressive than America (possibly you haven't, but other fuckwits have) is the kind of halfwitted drivel that not even people who drool when they read should take seriously.

She doesn't do anything or have any say in the body politic. The sow is a window dressing to attract tourists. Arguing that the existance of the Royal Family makes the UK less progressive than America (possibly you haven't, but other fuckwits have) is the kind of halfwitted drivel that not even people who drool when they read should take seriously.

But she IS the head of state. No matter what you think

But she IS the head of state. No matter what you think

actually head of the commonwealth but thats good enough

But she IS the head of state. No matter what you think

Which is much better than having someone as controversial as Bush, surely?

actually head of the commonwealth but thats good enough
She's head of state of the UK.

She's head of state of the UK.

As well as a few other places, and the Commonwealth of course. ;)

But she IS the head of state. No matter what you think
It doesn't matter what she's head of. She doesn't do anything or have any say in anything besides the church of England, and who gives a damn about them?

I am the Duke of beer . Say hello to your your new figurehead . drinks are on me .

It doesn't matter what she's head of. She doesn't do anything ...

Except;
serve as the source of executive, judicial and legislative power in the UK
give Royal Assent
dissolve parliament
appoint the Prime Minister and his cabinet (though the constitution restricts this)
exercises the right to be consulted, the right to advise and the right to warn (Bagehot)

just little things like that.

As well as a few other places, and the Commonwealth of course. ;)
You know what I meant :p

Except;
serve as the source of executive, judicial and legislative power in the UK
give Royal Assent
dissolve parliament
appoint the Prime Minister and his cabinet (though the constitution restricts this)
exercises the right to be consulted, the right to advise and the right to warn (Bagehot)

just little things like that.
The thing is, all those powers are severely restricted by convention (and the idea that Parliament is sovereign). And, sure, the second the Monarch tried to actually do anything beyond convention with his or her powers we would have a Republic. The Monarch can't raise any funds without the support of Parliament, so a Constitutional Monarchy is effectively the only form of government the UK could possibly have.

The thing is, all those powers are severely restricted by convention (and the idea that Parliament is sovereign). And, sure, the second the Monarch tried to actually do anything beyond convention with his or her powers we would have a Republic. The Monarch can't raise any funds without the support of Parliament, so a Constitutional Monarchy is effectively the only form of government the UK could possibly have.

True.

But the monarchy still do all those things. If they want to do those things is another thing entirely...

You know what I meant :p

I know, but I thought it was better to clear it up for others benefit.

Firstly, I cannot be held accountable if you are inable to understand the concent of satire. Secondly, no one thinks you are clever. Finally, I would appreciate you not calling my homeland a hell hole.



:(


People call My country (United States) a hell hole, a shitty country, worst place to live, and exc. exc. and im not asking them to stop.... but whatever......... :fluffle:

I'm really not sure England would want me in their empire, given my views on monarchy. I mean, let's just say we wouldn't get along very well.

I'm really not sure England would want me in their empire, given my views on monarchy. I mean, let's just say we wouldn't get along very well.

Doubt that would mean anything. Considering the countries incorporated in the British Empire had very definite views on the British monarch.

Oh, the ignorance. None of those are American plans or ideas. Those are typical European ideas from the enlightenment. Your whole system of government was pretty much an invention of John Locke - a Brit - and Baron de Montesquieu - a Frenchman, who themselves got it from the Romans and the Greeks! The "American" plan. Pfft! Seems to me like what you need to plan is your educational system if any of this is unknown to you. :rolleyes:

Not to mention that most functional democracies tend to go with some sort of parliamentary democracy rather than an American-style government. i.e. based more on the English style than the American.

I would fight to the death to uphold our system of dentistry.

Except;
serve as the source of executive, judicial and legislative power in the UK
give Royal Assent
dissolve parliament
appoint the Prime Minister and his cabinet (though the constitution restricts this)
exercises the right to be consulted, the right to advise and the right to warn (Bagehot)

just little things like that.

But she doesn't DO any of those things. They are done in her name. She is to England what Strom Thurmond used to be for South Carolina. A vacant old face whose actual politics didn't matter a whit because other people who own the rubber stamp make the actual decisions.

This is close to the most astounding pile of shit I have seen in a long time ..and to top it off you think people never bother to learn " proper" history . You have made Goebbels proud with that garbage...it only contradicts every biography I have read on Neville Chamberlain including his own letters that describe his thoughts on the matter ...not to mention historical facts concerning rearmament and Hitlers own words and actions , along with the words of his staff and members of his party..Winston Churchills biographys ...the words of Anthony Eden...well its a waste of time even bothering to correct so much bullshit.* Hitler caved into Chamberlains DEMANDS....bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha gotta get your humor where you can I guess....I would have quietly just had a chuckle but you had to wind me up with the PROPER EDUCATION bullshit ... :rolleyes:
you must have gotten your education on the back of a cerial box .

see and you thought it was only Americans that had a poor grasp of history...Whats worse NOT knowing history and not giving a shit ...or what this person is selling ..a " proper " view of history ?

Maybe you can find the part in international law that gave Great Britain the right to give Hitler the Sudetanland ...part of another country ? Neville Chamberlands whole foriegn policy was one of the most shamefull periods in Britains long history. He would be hard pressed to beat the Opium wars .
Knock off the personal insults Been and Guns, immediately. If you disagree with him, use debating tactics, and avoid using personal attacks, which you are guilty of doing, and have been before.

Hmmm People seem to forget that Ameican Democracy is unique . Although you can see its roots in the enlitenment and it did include the ideas of the free thinkers of the time it was taylored to the unique American experiance and took into account many lessons learned from those who left Europe and wanted something better .
For example the restrictions on a standing army and the checks and balances including the electorial college to help keep any one group from imposing tyranny on the others. The second ammendment of the constitution basically gives the people not only the RIGHT but the POWER to oppose the government . In some aspects more important than the bill of rights because it is the "sword" to guarantee that covenants " words " .
This is just Jeffersons a small sample on Jefferson ;
The philosophical roots of Jeffersonian Democracy are to be found in the ideas of the Enlightenment and in natural law that Jefferson expounded in the Declaration of Independence. In an address in 1790, he reiterated his faith in "the sufficiency of human reason for the care of human affairs" and stressed that "the will of the majority, the Natural law of every society, is the only sure guardian of the rights of man." This faith in the people was basic to the creed he enunciated in the election of 1800 and implemented as president. He wished to keep the government close to the people. "I am not for transferring all the powers of the States to the general government, and all those of that government to the Executive branch," he wrote at a time when a Federalist Congress had given the president extraordinary power over aliens. With civil liberties threatened by the Alien and Sedition Acts, Jefferson reaffirmed his commitment to the Bill of Rights. In a period of rising military expenditures and mounting debt, he promised a government "rigorously frugal and simple," reducing the army and navy and applying the savings to discharging the national debt. The desire to decrease the army also reflected a republican fear of standing armies that had roots in radical English thought.

Jefferson restated these principles in his inaugural address on March 4, 1801. That speech provides the best and most succinct statement of Jeffersonian Democracy. Reaffirming his commitment to an "absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority" as a vital principle of republicanism, Jefferson added the "sacred principle that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression." In responding to Federalists' efforts to suppress minority opinions, Jefferson more clearly defined a basic tenet of American democracy.

Intermingling general principles and specific policies, Jefferson promised "equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political," and pledged a vigilant protection of civil liberties. He also vowed to protect the rights of states while preserving the general government in its whole constitutional vigor. The new president declared that he favored reliance on a well-disciplined militia for defense, the supremacy of civil over military authority, economy in public expenditures, the payment of debts, and the encouragement of agriculture and of commerce as its "handmaid." Though an agrarian republic was Jefferson's ideal, he recognized the necessity of commerce, and as president he was committed to its protection.


if you truly are interested you would look at the writings and the contributions of each of the framers of our constitution and then you would come close to understanding what a unique item it is and why American Democracy stands alone and apart from any one philosophy .

I want to make Keith Richards the Duke of party . can he spell duke do you think ? I am your grace , The Duke of Beer ...did I do that right ?

That's funny since today most countries have a constitution close to America's and even the English give their citizens similar rights to America.
The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.
Didn't the american constitution come from the French one?

You copied the French! They should pwn you!

Knock off the personal insults Been and Guns, immediately. If you disagree with him, use debating tactics, and avoid using personal attacks, which you are guilty of doing, and have been before.

Sorry about that I'll corect it. Done and done edited today .

Didn't the american constitution come from the French one?

You copied the French! They should pwn you!

No, their revolution didn't happen until a few years after the US constitution was penned. And theirs was a much messier affair. The French own nothing. They're on their 5th republic now. We still have our first.

America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.

You do realize that people were starving when England ended the period of salutory neglect? One of the biggest causes of the American revolution was the redcoat's attempt at abolishing paper money and forcing legislation to demand business be conducted in only coins. Thus forcing the common man to become poor almost overnight.

The fact is, us Patriots kicked your ass, you imperial loyalist dog. And our founding fathers made a far greater government than your nobles could ever hope to create, and it ALL went to hell when you monarchy butt kissing fools couldn't do squat against Hitler despite your almost global power and resources from your island to friggin India. Thus eventually getting us involved, making us get all drunk on superpowerdom.

Oh, and I hear recently you wouldn't even be able to repeat your defeat of Argentina if the Falkins war happens again. Got carriers?

I like brits, but I hate imperials. Hell, I loathe the fact my BETTER government is also going imperial.

No, their revolution didn't happen until a few years after the US constitution was penned. And theirs was a much messier affair. The French own nothing. They're on their 5th republic now. We still have our first.

Second I think you'll find.

Are you people serious? Invade America...? Ok, let’s assume you succeeded in the invasion... how the HELL are you going to make all of America follow English ruling? Do you seriously think we would just lie down and let you do that? I mean seriously, it would be worse off then if you just... well I don’t know, not try to invade us. Besides... if you really want to help, do what America does, instead of INVADING (and conquering, don't come back with that 'well what do you think they are doing right now in Iraq?' thats just bull shit and you know it, we are not there to stay) a country, why not just help it out? :eek: What a concept! I mean, what the tsunami hit not to far back, where was America, oh I know, we were helping them, not tiring to invade them... (Different situation, but it brings me to my next point) Where the HELL was every one else when WE got hit by the hurricane? Oh that’s right, they we plotting on how to invade us, or take us down. Now I ask you, do you REALLY think invading America would be a smart idea, instead of just helping?

If Briton did decide to invade America (USA) it would have about 90% of the world supporting it the way international sentiments are running lately. BTW I don't hate the USA, just like Briton better....

I know they arent American ideas. The Republic is from Ancient Athens and dthe John Locke people. America is the nation that took the risk by taking those ideas to run their government, while everyone else had a monarch.

Really, go back to history base course :rolleyes:

and please check your spelling, it hurts my poor eyes and my monitor

Second I think you'll find.

No, France is on the Fifth Republic.

I'm doing this by memory, so you guys correct me if I slip up. Let's see:

1st Republic: After overthrowing the monarchy. The original French Revolution.
1st Empire: Napoléon Bonaparte becomes emperor.
Restoration: The victories coalition forces make Louis XVIII king.
Bourbon Monarchy: Louis Philippe becomes king. I think. This is where my details get sketchy.
2nd Republic: I'm still sketchy. Is this where the Second Republic goes?
2nd Empire: Napoléon III becomes emperor.
3rd Republic: Prussia whoops France, captures Napoléon III in battle, and crowns the first Kaiser of united Germany in the Hall of Mirrors, Versailles (the place where French kings were historically crowned). France goes republic again.
4th Republic: Created after France is liberated, after World War II.
5th Republic: No idea. But it's where they are now.

The United States, by contrast, simply changes its constitution as we go along, as opposed to calling it a new republic each time.

Really, go back to history base course :rolleyes:

Firstly, the reason you are on your first republic is that you are only 200 odd years old. Secondly, the original republic was defined by Plato, in Anchient Grecce so he is right. Thirdly, the American govenmental system is based on ideas developed by the British intellegencia of the time.

and i think we should have a nuclear war to kill off a large chunk of the population in the world. too many restless ignorant people are watering down the human race. its time for crowd control.

everyone has stolen...er...borrowed ideas from every other nation and people you idiots. religion,art,science,government....it all came from many different peoples mingling together over time. its been going on since before Sumeria.
why doesnt everyone try reading a little history and archeology before comparing the size of your.....

egos....

Hmmm People seem to forget that Ameican Democracy is unique . Although you can see its roots in the enlitenment and it did include the ideas of the free thinkers of the time it was taylored to the unique American experiance and took into account many lessons learned from those who left Europe and wanted something better .
For example the restrictions on a standing army and the checks and balances including the electorial college to help keep any one group from imposing tyranny on the others. The second ammendment of the constitution

I want to make Keith Richards the Duke of party . can he spell duke do you think ? I am your grace , The Duke of Beer ...did I do that right ?

Check your spelling too, before giving unsolicited advice on education :rolleyes:

btw, didn´t you see the fat "irony/sarcasm" warning at the start of this thread?

Why that would require comprehension wouldn't it?

and i think we should have a nuclear war to kill off a large chunk of the population in the world. too many restless ignorant people are watering down the human race. its time for crowd control.

everyone has stolen...er...borrowed ideas from every other nation and people you idiots. religion,art,science,government....it all came from many different peoples mingling together over time. its been going on since before Sumeria.
why doesnt everyone try reading a little history and archeology before comparing the size of your.....

egos....
I sincerely hope you're not suggesting a second eugenics crusade my friend?

btw, didn´t you see the fat "irony/sarcasm" warning at the start of this thread?
Did anyone see this? This thread is heating my house.

About Britain suddenly going: "Hey, we owned you before, you stole it from us!" to the US is something my friends and I have joked about before. It would be quite funny, but then quickly forgotten.

Kinda like how the Hawain (SP?) Queen ruled Hawaii while the US imperialized it. Yes, in my US school we learn that the US is imperialist! ¤GASP!¤

:headbang:

i was suggesting people grow up and stop acting superior to others. wasnt that obvious?

No, their revolution didn't happen until a few years after the US constitution was penned. And theirs was a much messier affair. The French own nothing. They're on their 5th republic now. We still have our first.

Though to be honest, the US did have a considerable advantage in that it wasn't surrounded by hostile countries that kept it in a state of near war for over 20 years. As well as bringing it into subsequent wars and occupation. Also the constitution was changed when political deadlock occured a few decades ago.

Did anyone see this? This thread is heating my house.

About Britain suddenly going: "Hey, we owned you before, you stole it from us!" to the US is something my friends and I have joked about before. It would be quite funny, but then quickly forgotten.

Kinda like how the Hawain (SP?) Queen ruled Hawaii while the US imperialized it. Yes, in my US school we learn that the US is imperialist! ¤GASP!¤

*silently applauding and bowing his head in shame*

Must have been a teacher that somehow eluded McCarthy...perhaps by hiding in his cellar? :rolleyes:

Check your spelling too, before giving unsolicited advice on education :rolleyes:

btw, didn´t you see the fat "irony/sarcasm" warning at the start of this thread?

Ahhh yes the spelling nazis are at it again....But if you had read the thread from the beginning and have participated in it from the beginning as I have then you would also take note that your post is churlish and anal at the very least .
I responed to the many " you got your government from England , we had it first " posts . But then if your comprehension was up to par you also would have noticed this .

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: and a :p back at 'ya...go play with your spell check .

Second I think you'll find.

I'm sorry, Domici; I just realized that you meant the United States is on its second republic.

Yeah, I agree with you. Articles of Confederation failed.

That's funny since today most countries have a constitution close to America's and even the English give their citizens similar rights to America.
The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.

WRONG!
The Romans had one of the first republics (as well as the Greeks) and even then, the French (who you now hate) had a republic before the american war of independance.

PS. Americans can't make tea

Wow, just wow. I am an American but after reading what my fellow ignorant Americans who are in History AP wrote about the Enlightenment, Africa and European political systems I am actually hoping to be invaded.

To England and the rest of Europe:

Have fun when your civil rights movement comes about you ethnocentric racists. I also hope you enjoy a standstill population growth while your retired population grows exponentially each year. In otherwords enjoy your backseat and stfu while we drive the car. It's bad enough we have China and India fighting for shotgun with Europe and Canada nagging in the backseat.

Can't we all just get along?

Edit: Tea is for pansies, drink black coffee.

To England and the rest of Europe:

Have fun when your civil rights movement comes about you ethnocentric racists.

Yep, because if anyone can lecture Europe on being ethnocentric it is the US.


btw, it is the UK,

America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.


You're just looking for a bunch of people to respond. "lol, your post is awesome." right?

You're just looking for a bunch of people to respond. "lol, your post is awesome." right?

Well, it is. At least in comparison to the racist crap it was mocking. Plus the debate is hilarious.

She doesn't do anything or have any say in the body politic. The sow is a window dressing to attract tourists. Arguing that the existance of the Royal Family makes the UK less progressive than America (possibly you haven't, but other fuckwits have) is the kind of halfwitted drivel that not even people who drool when they read should take seriously.

If the Queen doesn't do anything then what do you need her for? I've been in England once and I think it's a beautiful country. You don't need the Queen to attract tourists. And a President would be much more useful politically IMO.

1) slavery? let me guess American (Britain banned slavery long before the U.S did)

2) tell me why imperialism has to be bad?


?... blink, blink ...?


imperialism means others are subjegated,...i.e. slaves of one form or another


oh, and don't bother reading anything
by John Stockwell, Phil Agee, or Ralph McGehee,
no.....reading is bad

Yep, because if anyone can lecture Europe on being ethnocentric it is the US.

Considering what I've seen so far...

American Football is for fags!
American sports are bad because European sports are better!
American Tea sux!
American TV sucks!
American music sucks!
Americans don't speak English properly!


I realiZe Americans are very ethnocentric, but Europeans won't even admit to being slightly supremisist.

Considering what I've seen so far...

American Football is for fags!
American sports are bad because European sports are better!
American Tea sux!
American TV sucks!
American music sucks!
Americans don't speak English properly!


I realiZe Americans are very ethnocentric, but Europeans won't even admit to being slightly supremisist.

I'll admit to being superior

Considering what I've seen so far...

American Football is for fags!
American sports are bad because European sports are better!
American Tea sux!
American TV sucks!
American music sucks!
Americans don't speak English properly!


I realiZe Americans are very ethnocentric, but Europeans won't even admit to being slightly supremisist.

Yep. Because we are a monolith of course.

I love it when Europeans think their countries actually have power, much less enough to take over the USA. They fail to see that they would all be speaking German (or Russian, conceivably) if it weren't for us. In general, I have no quarrels with England, but still you have to recognize that we have a similar government to even you guys...so honestly, I think this whole thread really isn't anything more that Flame Bait, but, if you guys want to try to take us over...go ahead. You made the mistake of underestimating us in the 1700's, again in the 1800's, and it appears you would like to learn the lesson for the third time.

If Briton did decide to invade America (USA) it would have about 90% of the world supporting it the way international sentiments are running lately. BTW I don't hate the USA, just like Briton better....


I hope you were not implying that America would be in favor, because you would be very wrong. What difference does it make if the entire rest of the world was in support of them conquering us, all that matters is that America would be against it, and we would NOT stop fighting. There would be riots across the country, your not understanding that there is no way it would work.

The British Should Conquer Us! I Am American! I Believe The British Should Conquer Us!

They did! Remember 1964? Yeah, yeah, yeah!