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America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.

Here comes a dozen posts about how American's can't make tea.

America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.

That's funny since today most countries have a constitution close to America's and even the English give their citizens similar rights to America.
The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.

DONE, DA DONE DONE DONNNNNNE!

Almost to the letter. Check out the mercantilisim thread.

No offense but you really wouldn't stand a chance in an invasion. Currently there are 4 million members in the NRA, among others who own guns, plus the Nat'l Guard, plus any other forces who come to fight. An invasion would be destroyed. Of course, knowing Bush, he would say the we must attack Iraq so that we keep the Britains over seas, rather than fighting in America

Btw, I hate Bush :)

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.
Maybe you should get a sense of humour, you idiot. This is the thread What Africa needs is American Imperialism. With America in place of Africa and England in place of America.

I don't know why I bother, the internet is not the place for satire.

That's funny since today most countries have a constitution close to America's and even the English give their citizens similar rights to America.
The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.

Oh, the ignorance. None of those are American plans or ideas. Those are typical European ideas from the enlightenment. Your whole system of government was pretty much an invention of John Locke - a Brit - and Baron de Montesquieu - a Frenchman, who themselves got it from the Romans and the Greeks! The "American" plan. Pfft! Seems to me like what you need to plan is your educational system if any of this is unknown to you. :rolleyes:

The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.
You mean of course the Indian Seven Nation's plan of having a republic...

I got it. I thought it was funny. :D

Yes well you're satire is sub-par at best.

America did just fine after England left, but Africa is still and will forever be a hell hole.

Oh, the ignorance. None of those are American plans or ideas. Those are typical European ideas from the enlightenment. Your whole system of government was pretty much an invention of John Locke - a Brit - and Baron de Montesquieu - a Frenchman, who themselves got it from the Romans! The "American" plan. Pfft! Seems to me like what you need to plan is your educational system if any of this is unknown to you. :rolleyes:

Maybe you should take into account the fact that there was no such thing as "Americans" back then unless you count the freaking Indians.

Oh, the ignorance. None of those are American plans or ideas. Those are typical European ideas from the enlightenment. Your whole system of government was pretty much an invention of John Locke - a Brit - and Baron de Montesquieu - a Frenchman, who themselves got it from the Romans! The "American" plan. Pfft! Seems to me like what you need to plan is your educational system if any of this is unknown to you. :rolleyes:

I know they arent American ideas. The Republic is from Ancient Athens and dthe John Locke people. America is the nation that took the risk by taking those ideas to run their government, while everyone else had a monarch.

The British Should Conquer Us! I Am American! I Believe The British Should Conquer Us!

Yes well you're satire is sub-par at best.

America did just fine after England left, but Africa is still and will forever be a hell hole.

That's the thing. The thread before this included both americas and worked better. Rotovia, the horse has been beaten at least three times. Get over it.

No offense but you really wouldn't stand a chance in an invasion. Currently there are 4 million members in the NRA, among others who own guns, plus the Nat'l Guard, plus any other forces who come to fight. An invasion would be destroyed. Of course, knowing Bush, he would say the we must attack Iraq so that we keep the Britains over seas, rather than fighting in America

Btw, I hate Bush :)


Ya, go USA!

I know they arent American ideas. The Republic is from Ancient Athens and dthe John Locke people. America is the nation that took the risk by taking those ideas to run their government, while everyone else had a monarch.

Newsflash - most of the Western European countries still do have a monarch. And those that don't didn't miraculously get the idea from you; they could read their own countrymen's ideas. You were a backwater colony that used the knowledge of the homeland to construct something that needed to be constructed because you had nothing in its place - everyone else had things in the way of that, like millennia of history.

Newsflash - most of the Western European countries still do have a monarch. And those that don't didn't miraculously get the idea from you; they could read their own countrymen's ideas. You were a backwater colony that used the knowledge of the homeland to construct something that needed to be constructed because you had nothing in its place - everyone else had things in the way of that, like millennia of history.

No Sir!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.
Are you serious?

America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.

What America needs is more beer and more guns and to keep all you really crazy bastards over there . :D remember America gave you democracy...you Europeans then used it to elect Hitler .

I got it. I thought it was funny. :D
Thank you. Have a fluffle :fluffle:

No offense but you really wouldn't stand a chance in an invasion. Currently there are 4 million members in the NRA, among others who own guns, plus the Nat'l Guard, plus any other forces who come to fight. An invasion would be destroyed. Of course, knowing Bush, he would say the we must attack Iraq so that we keep the Britains over seas, rather than fighting in America

Btw, I hate Bush :)

not to mention british people are pussies. no offense i love english and alot of european culture, but u guys are pussies. oh and theres this thing called NATO.... and if england attack US there would be a shit ton of countries on thier arse. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper:

That's funny since today most countries have a constitution close to America's and even the English give their citizens similar rights to America.
The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.
yes and no, there was parliment for alot longer then there was congress, but yes in that england has followed very closly with what america does.

Naw, this is all wrong....Brits, don't try to beat us (you can't anyway). Join us--and bring Oz and NZ with you. Leave the EU and all that Eurotrash on "The Continent" behind and join NAFTA, like Paul Johnson suggested. Let's start a big Anglo-American empire.

Meh, they'd hit the appalachians and stop dead. Then they'd driven out. Especially since we'd use our killer dolphins to cut off their naval supply lines. :D

Oh, the ignorance. None of those are American plans or ideas. Those are typical European ideas from the enlightenment. Your whole system of government was pretty much an invention of John Locke - a Brit - and Baron de Montesquieu - a Frenchman, who themselves got it from the Romans and the Greeks! The "American" plan. Pfft! Seems to me like what you need to plan is your educational system if any of this is unknown to you. :rolleyes:

yes but we adopted these ideas before you did. your own people came up with them and you ignored and persecuted them for these ideas. so your being ignorant by taking credit for work that u didnt want them to do.

not to mention british people are pussies. no offense i love english and alot of european culture, but u guys are pussies. oh and theres this thing called NATO.... and if england attack US there would be a shit ton of countries on thier arse. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper:

Yo ! dont dis our cousins they could give attila the hun lessons on kicking ass. That little island once ruled the world almost . Of course we beat them but not only were we "them" but we also had the french to distract them ...hehehehe you know how they get around the French . Now we cant really kick ass because the world will explode and we will all die . But it was a hell of a run .

I know they arent American ideas. The Republic is from Ancient Athens and dthe John Locke people. America is the nation that took the risk by taking those ideas to run their government, while everyone else had a monarch.

Athens actually had a direct democracy, not a republic. John Locke didnt steal these ideas either. He belived in the Laws of Nature, or what life would be like with out any governments. He saw a flaw in the Law of Nature though which is why we need governmants.

Here comes a dozen posts about how American's can't make tea.
bah
its a waist to post how america cant make tea
they drink ice tea ...... 'nuff said
but on the other hand... i would rather drown in iced tea than drinking one warm beer *shrugs*

cheers

No Sir!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.
actually most do have a monoarch, but he or she has no power because of constitutions and limitations on it over time. theyre most a national figure, like the pope.

yes but we adopted these ideas before you did. your own people came up with them and you ignored and persecuted them for these ideas. so your being ignorant by taking credit for work that u didnt want them to do.

Are you this ignorant of the Enlightenment?

How can a civilized country drink warm beer ? BTW You call our beer horse piss ( Yuengling lager aint piss and the Belgians know how to really make beer anyway limey ) one more time and I'll kick your queen Elton John in the ass... :p

Yes well you're satire is sub-par at best.

America did just fine after England left, but Africa is still and will forever be a hell hole.
Firstly, I cannot be held accountable if you are inable to understand the concent of satire. Secondly, no one thinks you are clever. Finally, I would appreciate you not calling my homeland a hell hole.

Are you this ignorant of the Enlightenment?
no man i have my A.P. U.S. History right here and it has 3 damn chapters on enlightenment.

No Sir!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.

Ever heard of Queen Elisabeth II? Grand Duke Henri? King Carl XVI Gustav? King Harald V? Queen Beatrix? King Juan Carlos I? Prince Albert II? Prince Hans Adam II?

no man i have my A.P. U.S. History right here and it has 3 damn chapters on enlightenment.
....Do you know nothing of Kant, Locke, or Montesquieu? The ideas we adopted were contrived in Europe, Jefferson and the like only modified them, if at all.

no man i have my A.P. U.S. History right here and it has 3 damn chapters on enlightenment.

Funny then that you should write what you did, seeing as the Enlightenment was such a wide-spread and influential period in European, and thus World, history.

Athens actually had a direct democracy, not a republic.
As direct as a few old "citizens" get...

John Locke didnt steal these ideas either. He belived in the Laws of Nature, or what life would be like with out any governments. He saw a flaw in the Law of Nature though which is why we need governmants.
Leibniz, not Locke (http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/leiblock.htm)
The Real John Locke (http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/locke.html)
Check it out, the man was a hypocrite - a business man.

And then look at this too:
Six Nations: Oldest participatory democracy on earth (http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/)
Franklin on Native American Government (http://www.trufax.org/paradigm/paradigm/franklin.html)

Funny then that you should write what you did, seeing as the Enlightenment was such a wide-spread and influential period in European, and thus World, history.

yes but that time period and ideas played a key role in the independence of america and our formation of government. thus its in u.s history books.

Fass not for nothing but Europe has basically screwed up the whole friggin world . Really who else could think of making people into lampshades. How about we sell you drugs ..opium... you give us silver and we buy tea..then when you say " stop your fucking up my people " we declare war and FORCE you to keep your people drug adicts ...you crazy guys ! ...How about world wars ? They were soooo much fun ...a few crusades here and there... and Imperialism ? hehehehehe lets just grab a pen and scribble on the globe ..a piece for you a piece for me ...yep what an " elitenment ' ...hehehehe.... hmmm about about we take a bunch of different races and religions and politics and toss them all together and see what happens ...we call it the United States...you call it the Balkans....yep that turned out real well...can you say ETHNIC CLEANSING...how about mass graves. No really its no wonder we all ran away. tell us again how nasty we are . Satire guys...no need to string me up...BTW in the US when we want to get some living space we build an addition on the back of our house ...you guys invade Poland ...hehehehe ... :fluffle:

YOur both right. :P

First, I get the joke this thread was meant to be, but now must reply.

The idea of the Enlightenment were used by European leaders, before the Colonies rebelled, secured their freedom, and applied the Social Contract ideas of Locke and others. However, this generally appeared in the form of an Enlightened Despot leader. Catherine the Great, Frederick the Great, Louis XIV, etc..

The English had started something similar while we were rebelling, though it hadnt fully developed at that point. You can't say the Europeans copied what we came up with, now... the French, they were inspired to take action by our freedom and saw the direct application of the Enlightenment ideas from Europe, and started form there. Though they were strongly inlfuenced by Rousseau, and his theories on Social Contract and such varied in some extreme ways from Locke and others.

Did we start off a chain reaction of nation applying more directly what the Enlightenment had provided? Yes.

Are we totally repsponsible for it all. Certainly not. The groundwork for "democracy" was there, we gave it a nudge, France followed, and eventually, but slowly, most of Europe did in some way, though their "democracies" took a more Socialist flavour than hours.

Everyone played and plays a part in this, no single source can be found for all this project of democracy. And not, most governments are Republics of some kind. I don't believe there are any true democracies... Our forefathers decided a pure democracy was a great idea in theory but would not work in practice.

Ok, thats my bit. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Leonstein]As direct as a few old "citizens" get...QUOTE]

yeah no woment or peeps that dont own land, or slaves.
but still the first step towards democracy, which led to roman republic, which became an empire, which colapse creating a power vacuum for monarchs to come in, abuse their powers, and enlightenment comes, giving birth to america. thank you socrates.

One, wow people posted while I was writing, lol.

Two, sorry if my spelling is horrible, Ive been up since yesterday working on my senior history thesis, YAY.

Fass not for nothing but Europe has basically screwed up the whole friggin world . Really who else could think of making people into lampshades. How about we sell you drugs ..opium... you give us silver and we buy tea..then when you say " stop your fucking up my people " we declare war and FORCE you to keep your people drug adicts ...you crazy guys ! ...How about world wars ? They were soooo much fun ...a few crusades here and there... and Imperialism ? hehehehehe lets just grab a pen and scribble on the globe ..a piece for you a piece for me ...yep what an " elitenment ' ...hehehehe.... hmmm about about we take a bunch of different races and religions and politics and toss them all together and see what happens ...we call it the United States...you call it the Balkans....yep that turned out real well...can you say ETHNIC CLEANSING...how about mass graves. No really its no wonder we all ran away. tell us again how nasty we are . Satire guys...no need to string me up...BTW in the US when we want to get some living space we build an addition on the back of our house ...you guys invade Poland ...hehehehe ... :fluffle:

That was randomly incoherent, but it seemed to deal with the evils of Colonialism and Imperialism. Umm, that's what created your country. Ask the Native Americans about genocide. Your ancenstors did a nice European work there!

That was randomly incoherent, but it seemed to deal with the evils of Colonialism and Imperialism. Umm, that's what created your country. Ask the Native Americans about genocide. Your ancenstors did a nice European work there!
everyone gives us crap about the indians, "and omg we kicked them off thier lands". "oh the were native".
THEY WERE FIZZUKING NATIVE EITHER! they moved here too. they just walked here like a bunch of crooked eyed tards. sorry for the derogitory remark but i hate when people say "the native americans were here first, we stole thier lands!" really? give them your house then.
mmk pumpkin?

everyone gives us crap about the indians, "and omg we kicked them off thier lands". "oh the were native".
THEY WERE FIZZUKING NATIVE EITHER! they moved here too. they just walked here like a bunch of crooked eyed tards. sorry for the derogitory remark but i hate when people say "the native americans were here first, we stole thier lands!" really? give them your house then.
mmk pumpkin?
ahem...that makes breaking treaties and genocide okay then?
It's of absolutely no importance whether or not they evolved there or walked over there (before civilisation even existed) - they lived there, your ancestors killed them and drove them away.
The Jews didn't live in Europe too you know, they walked over there like a bunch of ....

everyone gives us crap about the indians, "and omg we kicked them off thier lands". "oh the were native".
THEY WERE FIZZUKING NATIVE EITHER! they moved here too. they just walked here like a bunch of crooked eyed tards. sorry for the derogitory remark but i hate when people say "the native americans were here first, we stole thier lands!" really? give them your house then.
mmk pumpkin?

Way to miss the entire point. It's still about genocide, and about how people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

That was randomly incoherent, but it seemed to deal with the evils of Colonialism and Imperialism. Umm, that's what created your country. Ask the Native Americans about genocide. Your ancenstors did a nice European work there!


We had great teachers !! explain to me again how you get to start a World War just by shooting one poor Arch Duke ? Enliten me.

ahem...that makes breaking treaties and genocide okay then?
It's of absolutely no importance whether or not they evolved there or walked over there (before civilisation even existed) - they lived there, your ancestors killed them and drove them away.
The Jews didn't live in Europe too you know, they walked over there like a bunch of ....

the thing is less advanced cultures are always trappled if they cant keep up. im not saying that it was right, im saying we cant do anything about so why must we make it a big deal. plus for some reason genocide was acceptable back then. i <333 jews

We had great teachers !! explain to me again how you get to start a World War just by shooting one poor Arch Duke ? Enliten me.

Oh, you're already "enlitened". So much so that you don't seem to have a point.

Way to miss the entire point. It's still about genocide, and about how people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

Dude if that were true europe would be full of people picking glass shards out of their ass...tell me again how you do that opium thing again ? You actually got them chinese to pay you to make them junkies . Now thats cold. :p

We had great teachers !! explain to me again how you get to start a World War just by shooting one poor Arch Duke ? Enliten me.

umm it wasnt. thats the extremelt dumbed down version of what happened. actually a spiderweb of treaties tied a bunch of countries together and rag them into the war which was caused by germany finacially backing an invasion of the balkans, russia had pledged to protect the balkans, and well you can see how complicated things can get. nationalism was extreely high at this time period. new weapons meant everyone though they could take on ne one. it was crazy.

the thing is less advanced cultures are always trappled if they cant keep up. im not saying that it was right, im saying we cant do anything about so why must we make it a big deal. plus for some reason genocide was acceptable back then. i <333 jews

europe had Jews once but they cooked them.

umm it wasnt. thats the extremelt dumbed down version of what happened. actually a spiderweb of treaties tied a bunch of countries together and rag them into the war which was caused by germany finacially backing an invasion of the balkans, russia had pledged to protect the balkans, and well you can see how complicated things can get. nationalism was extreely high at this time period. new weapons meant everyone though they could take on ne one. it was crazy.

Must of been some kick ass treatys ...you gotta teach us how to do that .. :D

Dude if that were true europe would be full of people picking glass shards out of their ass...tell me again how you do that opium thing again ? You actually got them chinese to pay you to make them junkies . Now thats cold. :p

How goes the business in those disease-ridden blankets? See, I can pull random evil crap out of your history too. It still doesn't seem to create a point for you.

explain to me again how you get to start a World War just by shooting one poor Arch Duke ? Enliten me.
Overly explicit national pride and defensiveness? ;)

the thing is less advanced cultures are always trappled if they cant keep up. im not saying that it was right, im saying we cant do anything about so why must we make it a big deal.
Because some people still have to live with the consequences - and because the fact that it happens weakens any attempt by you to criticise European powers for treating 3rd world countries badly...

plus for some reason genocide was acceptable back then.
Again, so it was in the forties...or maybe in Hutu and Tutsi lands in the Nineties...
It's never acceptable - especially not only because Americans then didn't have a problem with it.

i <333 jews
Sorry, not big on PC-languages...what are you trying to say?

Overly explicit national pride and defensiveness? ;)


Because some people still have to live with the consequences - and because the fact that it happens weakens any attempt by you to criticise European powers for treating 3rd world countries badly...


Again, so it was in the forties...or maybe in Hutu and Tutsi lands in the Nineties...
It's never acceptable - especially not only because Americans then didn't have a problem with it.
it's never acceptable by today's standards, which are good standards, but back then they were thought of as less than human, im not trying to defend my countries actions im just saying u whave to get into the mindset of the people doing this. the nazis did the same thing, which makes us no better than them.

Sorry, not big on PC-languages...what are you trying to say?
i heart heart heart jews lol

it's never acceptable by today's standards, which are good standards, but back then they were thought of as less than human, im not trying to defend my countries actions im just saying u whave to get into the mindset of the people doing this. the nazis did the same thing, which makes us no better than them.
Hey hey...America no better than Nazi Germany? Care to specify?

Ever heard of Queen Elisabeth II?

Can't say I have.

How goes the business in those disease-ridden blankets? See, I can pull random evil crap out of your history too. It still doesn't seem to create a point for you.

:p ummm that was spain...Thats in EUROPE... :D How about them disease ridden blankets ? Nice trick BTW...ever wonder why the dudes that gave us the secrets for the Atom bomb ran away ? Not that they were not being chased by guys that only wanted to give them a shower and a dirt nap .
. They gave us the secrets for the atom bomb because they were afraid you would destroy the world with it . :eek:

BTW Thank you for communism ..a hell of a good idea ! Can you say gulag ?

America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.


Ok. As long as we get the free healthcare...and as long as you don't make us eat steak and kidney pie...or blood and tongue!
Jeez, hate to say, but y'all British need to learn how to cook!
The only good indigenous British food I'm aware of is Fish n' Chips!!

Hey hey...America no better than Nazi Germany? Care to specify?
im just saying what we did to the indians was just as bad as what the nazis did to the jews. We look down on the Nazis and make memorials but wheres the memorials for the indians, wheres the holidays for indians, exactly we dont have any. because we hide that part of our history, because we think we're so much better than the nazis. but then again the britsh did get us started on this indian h8ing, they did the whole small pox blanket thing at a treaty signing.

How goes the business in those disease-ridden blankets? See, I can pull random evil crap out of your history too. It still doesn't seem to create a point for you.

Actually that was Lord Amherst - and Englishman - during the F-I war, other than that I am not aware of any use of "smallpox blankets" in what is now the fifty states. (Though it is entirely possible that the spanish also used them in their territories).

In fact the US government had a smallpox innoculation program for the Indians in the early 19th century. Later, when it was decided to take their land, guns were used.

Overly explicit national pride and defensiveness? ;)


Because some people still have to live with the consequences - and because the fact that it happens weakens any attempt by you to criticise European powers for treating 3rd world countries badly...


Again, so it was in the forties...or maybe in Hutu and Tutsi lands in the Nineties...
It's never acceptable - especially not only because Americans then didn't have a problem with it.


Sorry, not big on PC-languages...what are you trying to say?

Dont be gentle with them :D Serbia is in their own back yard...HOW many tears of genocide and rape and terror and ethnic cleansing went on before they git off their ass and actually DID something ? Yep you learned alot from WW2 ...you made Himmler proud . Wont you ever learn ? Tell me about the glass houses again :D

Athens actually had a direct democracy, not a republic. John Locke didnt steal these ideas either. He belived in the Laws of Nature, or what life would be like with out any governments. He saw a flaw in the Law of Nature though which is why we need governmants.

I never said he stole the ideas.

im just saying what we did to the indians was just as bad as what the nazis did to the jews. We look down on the Nazis and make memorials but wheres the memorials for the indians, wheres the holidays for indians, exactly we dont have any. because we hide that part of our history, because we think we're so much better than the nazis. but then again the britsh did get us started on this indian h8ing, they did the whole small pox blanket thing at a treaty signing.
spain did it first look up the conquest of the Aztecs and the Inca's...btw that inquisition thing was NUTS ...gotta burn me some heritics .

You guys make the craziest Muslim fanatics look like amatuer hour. cripes ...100 million killed in one world War alone ? Them pikers...bet they never thought of rounding up a villiage and putting it a building then setting it on fire ..now thats the way to deal with insurgents ..no naked twister for them guys .. :D Keep throwing those bricks..BTW mention " Algeria" to the French..you know the torture and murder and rape part .... ;)

YOur both right. :P

First, I get the joke this thread was meant to be, but now must reply.

The idea of the Enlightenment were used by European leaders, before the Colonies rebelled, secured their freedom, and applied the Social Contract ideas of Locke and others. However, this generally appeared in the form of an Enlightened Despot leader. Catherine the Great, Frederick the Great, Louis XIV, etc..

The English had started something similar while we were rebelling, though it hadnt fully developed at that point. You can't say the Europeans copied what we came up with, now... the French, they were inspired to take action by our freedom and saw the direct application of the Enlightenment ideas from Europe, and started form there. Though they were strongly inlfuenced by Rousseau, and his theories on Social Contract and such varied in some extreme ways from Locke and others.

Did we start off a chain reaction of nation applying more directly what the Enlightenment had provided? Yes.

Are we totally repsponsible for it all. Certainly not. The groundwork for "democracy" was there, we gave it a nudge, France followed, and eventually, but slowly, most of Europe did in some way, though their "democracies" took a more Socialist flavour than hours.

Everyone played and plays a part in this, no single source can be found for all this project of democracy. And not, most governments are Republics of some kind. I don't believe there are any true democracies... Our forefathers decided a pure democracy was a great idea in theory but would not work in practice.

Ok, thats my bit. Thanks.

Finally, a voice of moderation. Someone who realizes the world is not ruled by absolutes. Thank you.

Ever heard of Queen Elisabeth II? Grand Duke Henri? King Carl XVI Gustav? King Harald V? Queen Beatrix? King Juan Carlos I? Prince Albert II? Prince Hans Adam II?

Sounds like 7 out of 300 countries. So I win, you lose.

ahem...that makes breaking treaties and genocide okay then?
It's of absolutely no importance whether or not they evolved there or walked over there (before civilisation even existed) - they lived there, your ancestors killed them and drove them away.
The Jews didn't live in Europe too you know, they walked over there like a bunch of ....

Please. The history of Europe is one of invasion. And in truth, our push west was only a prolongation of your initial push into the Americas. You started something and we admittedly couldn't stop the momentum. But you make it sound like we were the worst at this when it was a practice we learned from you.

Though now I think about it, the thought of giving the english the US is pretty funny. Think about it, that tiny little island with a relatively small population managed to put a quater of the globe under its boot. Of course, these days they pretend that they won't do that kind of thing anymore, but that's only because they can't get away with it.

I would imagine if they had access to the US, its economic power and resources, it wouldn't be long before they started thinking about the Pax Britanica again. And as an english speaker, I've always thought that forcing people to learn english at gunpoint is pretty damn amusing.

So I say why not? Give them the chance. If nothing else, the chattering classes in other countries will, at least, have a real imperial power to finally complain about, instead of having to make one up.

Sounds like 7 out of 300 countries. So I win, you lose.

Six actually, Queen Elisabeth II is a fictional character.

Way to miss the entire point. It's still about genocide, and about how people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

i wouldn't call the death to the Indians as genocide. 97% of indians died from European diseases, so we didn't want to kill that 97% and we couldnt control their death. The Jew thing is a genocide, Jews were directly percecuted by the pretzel-eating Nazi Germans.

Six actually, Queen Elisabeth II is a fictional character.

The number doesn't matter, it's a small percentile. My point is the majority of the world is democratic today.

Six actually, Queen Elisabeth II is a fictional character.
caught that too.

I'm American, AND I say.....good idea. I think that either a: Britain somehow undermines the U.S. Government and conquers it, or b: Watch us gt nuked by every country in the world who hates us, or finally c: change our government to Constitutional monarchy ike the Brits, so that way if a figurehead makes a dumb mistake or decision, then the parliment can say"You suck", becuase there are no political parties to back 'em up.
DISCLAIMER: I have no idea how the entire British government works, or who makes decisions, but from what I have heard, or known, The Queen/monarch is a figure-head, while the Prime Minister is the real head power-person.

DISCLAIMER'S DISCLAIMER: I've been wondering.....can anyone from england/britain send me at: lordbob282@yahoo.com, what you Brits have in your textbooks for the American Revoltutionary war. I want to see if my thesis is true: He who wins, writess history. Thanks.

How about Vietnam while I am on a roll...During WW2 America told this guy.. who had modeled his declaration of independence on ours ...that we would help him gain Independence if he helped us fight against Japan. World War two...the war for freedom...and liberty..against tyranny..well we won but the French did not think we meant " freedom " for everybody...cripes no ! It was only freedom for the ones ummm that were like ..free or something..no France ..and to be fair a bunch of other colonial dickhead rulers ..and you know who you are you white devils ... :p decided to reclaim the colonial status of the countries they controlled before the war... so much for freedom and liberty...and promises..the French and the others got their way...seems communism and Russia..( BTW did I thank you guys for communism yet ?) were invoked , and economics .. the rights of sovergnty etc. etc....well any way the French got their ass's kicked and we the United States inherited a problem that we really didnt need ...ummm and did I mention anything about bricks and glass houses yet ? ...Irony..I guess ..

Did you learn about imperialism yet...ummm guess I shouldnt mention the Suez canal..you know when AFTER Egypt had finally gained independence ...hehehehe glass houses ... :fluffle:

caught that too.

Fictional????

I thought Queen Elizabeth II was an actual queen during the gay Renaissance.

Fictional????

I thought Queen Elizabeth II was an actual queen during the gay Renaissance.


no thats elton John your thinking about .

no thats elton John your thinking about .

Lol no

I was call the Renaissance gay. I think is the worst period in history. The Middle Ages were cool, wars were always happening, you could be a knight, challenge your neighbor to a duel.

and then people started drawing pussy pictures and put their weapons away.

Fictional????

I thought Queen Elizabeth II was an actual queen during the gay Renaissance.

H.I.M Queen Empress Elizabeth II is quite real, and alive and well today - in body if not in mind. Queen Elisabeth II is a figment of someone's fevered imagination. Or Andy Bell's new stage name, either one. I'm not really clear on that.

America has 15,000 nuclear devices.

*watches England turn into a huge crater. Points and laughs*

H.I.M Queen Empress Elizabeth II is quite real, and alive and well today - in body if not in mind. Queen Elisabeth II is a figment of someone's fevered imagination. Or Andy Bell's new stage name, either one. I'm not really clear on that.

So whats up with that guys ears ? If they take over do we have to keep him and his ummm " new " wife..that foot things kida icky...Icky..lets make him Queen ...he's perfect..we also get to keep Monty Python! ...ummm come to think about it we may actually be better off..and they get to stay right next to france !

No Sir!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.Go take Socials Studies 11! :rolleyes:

Go take Socials Studies 11! :rolleyes:

I'm taking it.

So whats up with that guys ears ? If they take over do we have to keep him and his ummm " new " wife..that foot things kida icky...Icky..lets make him Queen ...he's perfect..we also get to keep Monty Python! ...ummm come to think about it we may actually be better off..and they get to stay right next to france !

Actually, the act of settlement gives parliament the authority to choose the next monarch, not the queen. So they could appoint someone else if enough people send them write in votes.

I can't imagine it happening though.

That's funny since today most countries have a constitution close to America's and even the English give their citizens similar rights to America.
The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.


It's hilarious you make America sound like it was invented by AMERICANS... it was the ENGLISH who made that a surviving land with an economy to strive with in the first place, YOU IDIOT! And it's spelled COPYING, not copien HAHAHA

Common its gotta be charles or one of the kids right ? They cant be that pissed ? I want a king or a queen ...presidents are boring..except Clinton...Clinton should be every guys hero...he made what Ms. lewinsky did something to ...ummm be good at ? A fad ? excepted and aspired to ? Think about if you are over thirty or so...Never in my life...but I digress the next election should be Arnold and Clinton ..change the constitution for that one ! It should be pay per view !

It's hilarious you make America sound like it was invented by AMERICANS... it was the ENGLISH who made that a surviving land with an economy to strive with in the first place, YOU IDIOT! And it's spelled COPYING, not copien HAHAHA

he's right in an obtuse way.
But America gave Europe democracy back after WW one ...you guys elected hitler with it so you have to give it back .

It's hilarious you make America sound like it was invented by AMERICANS... it was the ENGLISH you made that a surviving land with an economy to strive with in the first place, YOU IDIOT! And it's spelled COPYING, not copien HAHAHA

Striving an economy wasn't very difficult in this time in history. Basically all the countries that owned land in the American continent had a striving economy. Tobacco was the main reason the American economy was striving and the settlers in Jamestown figured out how to grow tobacco, not the English.

We also started smoking pot . Why the hell did we keep tobacco ?

Common its gotta be charles or one of the kids right ? They cant be that pissed ? I want a king or a queen ...presidents are boring..except Clinton...Clinton should be every guys hero...he made what Ms. lewinsky did something to ...ummm be good at ? A fad ? excepted and aspired to ? Think about if you are over thirty or so...Never in my life...but I digress the next election should be Arnold and Clinton ..change the constitution for that one ! It should be pay per view !

Not really. Royal houses have been changed before, as James the II found out after producing a male heir.

Of course it would have to be someone vaguely in the line of sucession. It couldn't be me for example (dammit).

Likely though it will be Charles. Unless he decides to make Camilla Queen, in which case it will be one of his sons - barring any major scandals.

We also started smoking pot . Why the hell did we keep tobacco ?

Tobacco causes less damage to the lungs only because you keep the pot in your lungs longer, and I think 8 cigareetes= 1 joint.

Sounds like 7 out of 300 countries. So I win, you lose.

I know you're being a troll, but that doesn't make you illiterate, does it? Or what part of "Newsflash - most of the Western European countries still do have a monarch" was it you did not understand?

We also started smoking pot.Would've been a multibillion dollar industry if it's legal. Look what happens if pot is legal in BC, we don't have to beg Alberta for more $$$. :D :D :D lmao

BTW, i dont smoke

I know you're being a troll, but that doesn't make you illiterate, does it? Or what part of "Newsflash - most of the Western European countries still do have a monarch" was it you did not understand?

If you have so many extra ones send one over here . I have a president or two you can have for a trade.

Yes, but you are talking about 6 nations. Don't center the world around western europe, america is the center now. What I'm trying to say is that most countries in the world are democratic. Please don't quote me anymore people, i've had enough quotes for a day.

Can't say I have.

Gee whiz, Lacadaemon. You caught me using the international spelling and Scandinavianised version of her name! Nice to see the strength of your "points" remaining on the same level as we've come accustomed to expect from you.

Would've been a multibillion dollar industry if it's legal. Look what happens if pot is legal in BC, we don't have to beg Alberta for more $$$. :D :D :D lmao

BTW, i dont smoke

Thats nuts who would have thunk it ! A weed...but isnt tobacco a weed to ? Ummm WTF they both get you high but ones legal and ones not ...wtf is up with that ? BTW another reason besides Moosehead for Canada to be a CLOSE ally :D

Six actually, Queen Elisabeth II is a fictional character.

you can't be serious...can you? otherwise you need to wake up to the world at large

Gee whiz, Lacadaemon. You got me using the international spelling and Scandinavianised version of her name! Nice to see the strength of your "points" remaining on the same level as we've come accustomed to expect from you.

Ummm Fass not for nothing but why didnt you suggest using the Swedish bikini team for peace keepers yet ? Who in their right mind would want to fight ? See you guys never think outside the box .... :D

Legalizing pot is a bad idea. Most hardcore drugies that do cocain, crack, heroin, and the other drugs start out on pot. Imagine if most of the US starts smoking pot if it becomes legal. Then, many of those people would go on to worse drugs.

america is the center now.Hmm... for a few years maybe. America is like a Roman Empire, its gonna fall soon (hope not. if US falls, the world falls economically).

Legalizing pot is a bad idea. Most hardcore drugies that do cocain, crack, heroin, and the other drugs start out on pot. Imagine if most of the US starts smoking pot if it becomes legal. Then, many of those people would go on to worse drugs.

I can see someone is very tired and needs sleep here .stop listning to that propaganda crap its rots your brain .

Yes, but you are talking about 6 nations.

7 actually, which aren't the only monarchies in the world, that by the way does not contain 300 countries, but instead 193. (http://geography.about.com/cs/countries/a/numbercountries.htm) Geography seems to be your people's bane.

**** NEWSFLASH ****
It has been announced today that President George W Bush has stepped down as president of the United States. In a statement he said ' my fellow mericans i step down today because with the high prices of gas hell i'm a rich man wahoo texas gold!!!'
A reporter was heard to ask the former President what was the one thing he would of liked to of don e more of during his Presidency to which Mr Bush replied I would of liked to of though of more ways to hurt the country'

Soon after stepping down a resolution to the constitution was quickly passed allowing for a King to be crowned And King Paul was quickly crowned. King Paul was an Englishman living in Texas who quickly claimed the throne. A Republican Senator from Alabama was heard to say 'well thank god for that now we may get this country on the right tracks them English are god fearing folks you ever heard of them crusades?'

Long live the king ;)

For some reason I never took Geography in school.

7 actually, which aren't the only monarchies in the world, that by the way does not contain 300 countries, but instead 193. (http://geography.about.com/cs/countries/a/numbercountries.htm) Geography seems to be your people's bane.

You cant go by him he doesnt smoke pot his brains damaged or something .

Gee whiz, Lacadaemon. You got me using the international spelling and Scandinavianised version of her name! Nice to see the strength of your "points" remaining on the same level as we've come accustomed to expect from you.

There is no Scandinavianised (is that even a word - ?), version of the English Head of State's name.

Honestly, for someone who had just prior to my post, made fun of someone else's spelling, I though you would appreciate the help. You know, for edification and future reference.

And who's this we? Did someone elect Prime Minister Fass for the "Calling other People Illiterate Party" when no-one was looking?

Ummm Fass not for nothing but why didnt you suggest using the Swedish bikini team for peace keepers yet ? Who in their right mind would want to fight ? See you guys never think outside the box .... :D

Simply because the "Swedish Bikini Team" does not exist. It's just a wily subterfuge geared towards ignorant foreigners.

**** NEWSFLASH ****
It has been announced today that President George W Bush has stepped down as president of the United States. In a statement he said ' my fellow mericans i step down today because with the high prices of gas hell i'm a rich man wahoo texas gold!!!'
A reporter was heard to ask the former President what was the one thing he would of liked to of don e more of during his Presidency to which Mr Bush replied I would of liked to of though of more ways to hurt the country'

Soon after stepping down a resolution to the constitution was quickly passed allowing for a King to be crowned And King Paul was quickly crowned. King Paul was an Englishman living in Texas who quickly claimed the throne. A Republican Senator from Alabama was heard to say 'well thank god for that now we may get this country on the right tracks them English are god fearing folks you ever heard of them crusades?'

Long live the king ;)


Don't give out wrong information. I watched the news today he is still the president. We have the best president. he had a DUI, he was hooked on cocain, he was supposed to lose florida, and yet he still managed to get a second term. Only in America.

Simply because the "Swedish Bikini Team" does not exist. It's just a wily subterfuge geared towards ignorant foreigners.

I saw the Sweedish bikini team on howard stern.

We have the best president.Gimme 15-20 reasons why "W" is the best president?

Don't give out wrong information. I watched the news today he is still the president. We have the best president. he had a DUI, he was hooked on cocain, he was supposed to lose florida, and yet he still managed to get a second term. Only in America.

Ah but dont worry that its his last term........Jeb is standing in the wings :headbang:

Gimme 15-20 reasons why "W" is the best president?
3 would do (can anyone thin kof that many?)
but if you read his post i think he was firmly tongue in cheek :)

Simply because the "Swedish Bikini Team" does not exist. It's just a wily subterfuge geared towards ignorant foreigners.

Well you know you just crushed my soul , all this time I thought beer adds were true . I guess if I keep drinking Coors light then I wont score with the twins ? Well good thing the stuff taste like piss anyway. But the swedish girls are kinda hot and if you did form a team you could make them peace keepers and the worlds would never have another war. so what are you waiting for ?
Damm but if you think about it ..we might start wars just so we could get peace kept ...dammit all this thinking makes my hed hert .

Don't give out wrong information. I watched the news today he is still the president. We have the best president. he had a DUI, he was hooked on cocain, he was supposed to lose florida, and yet he still managed to get a second term. Only in America.

your kidding right ? Hows he beat Clinton ? Clinton SCORED man ! he made Bj's a national SPORT . WTF how can you BEAT that ?

Gimme 15-20 reasons why "W" is the best president?

he had a DUI, he was hooked on cocain, he was supposed to lose florida, and yet he still managed to get a second term.


Those are my reasons, okay he isn't the best Martin VanBuren is the best, just because he was in Seinfeld.

Doesn't give u inspiration that Bush messed up so much and he still managed to get a second term. It tells me no matter how much u screw up u can always fix the problem.

There is no Scandinavianised (is that even a word - ?), version of the English Head of State's name.

Actually, there are. We call several of the foreign kings named "Charles" for "Carl" in certain uses, just like we call the French kings called "Louis" "Ludvig."
You know, sort of like you call "Gustav Adolf" "Gustuvus Adolphus"? "Elisabeth" is the Scandinavian spelling, as we're loathed to use the "zed" since we can't pronounce it all that well.

Oh, and, yes, "Scandinavianised" is a perfectly cromulent word. I made it using my leet English linguistic skillz of derivation, yo.

Honestly, for someone who had just prior to my post, made fun of someone else's spelling, I though you would appreciate the help. You know, for edification and future reference.

That was a jeux de mots. Perhaps you should look the term up?

And who's this we? Did someone elect Prime Minister Fass for the "Calling other People Illiterate Party" when no-one was looking?

Yeah, they did that at the same time they elected you "President of Feeble Attempts at Points That Are Based in Forced Misunderstandings." I personally think my title is catchier.

he had a DUI, he was hooked on cocain, he was supposed to lose florida, and yet he still managed to get a second term.


Those are my reasons, okay he isn't the best Martin VanBuren is the best, just because he was in Seinfeld.

Doesn't give u inspiration that Bush messed up so much and he still managed to get a second term. It tells me no matter how much u screw up u can always fix the problem.
nope sorry just shows how gullible the American Public is.....you vote in an illiterate yokel who is always thinking of ways to hurt the country (his words not mine) then once you learn what he is like........you vote him in again by an even bigger majority......just one more reason why I am now King Paul I first monarch of the Empire of the United States :)

Ok. As long as we get the free healthcare...and as long as you don't make us eat steak and kidney pie...or blood and tongue!
Jeez, hate to say, but y'all British need to learn how to cook!
The only good indigenous British food I'm aware of is Fish n' Chips!!

You have never tried a Sunday Roast, or a Tika Masala *drools*

Its a good job Britian is around, we help you fire your bullets the right way, although sometimes you tend to shoot us for some reason or other.

Imagine if we left Iraq, would G.W Bush decide that Britian is a Dictatorship and launch a Regieme change?

nope sorry just shows how gullible the American Public is.....you vote in an illiterate yokel who is always thinking of ways to hurt the country (his words not mine) then once you learn what he is like........you vote him in again by an even bigger majority......just one more reason why I am now King Paul I first monarch of the Empire of the United States :)

Better choice then voting for gay marriadge and abortions. That's why bush won. he gave the people what they wanted.

he had a DUI, he was hooked on cocain, he was supposed to lose florida, and yet he still managed to get a second term.


Those are my reasons, okay he isn't the best Martin VanBuren is the best, just because he was in Seinfeld.

Doesn't give u inspiration that Bush messed up so much and he still managed to get a second term. It tells me no matter how much u screw up u can always fix the problem.

Did you notice he looks like Alfred E. Newman ? Not for nothing but HOW did we elect him again? Mad fucking Magazine ....guys ..WTF ? Ummm I must have been toasted. The devil made me do it ? Ummm thats right ....KERRY ...the only guy in the world who could lose to GWB...how much was he paid to run ? ... Ummm a war " hero" that threw his medals away and the said all the guys he fought with were war criminals...and then he had the BALLS to run as a guy who " fought " in vietnam...but came home and said anyone who fought there was a criminal...ummm run that by me again ?
we are well and truly screwed ...please someone take us over .

Better choice then voting for gay marriadge and abortions. That's why bush won. he gave the people what they wanted.
oh please what difference does it make to you if two people of the same sex want to get together? and as for abortion that is upto the woman but then you probably also agree with the senator for alabama on the cause if the recent tragedies too right? or maybe with reagans former education secertary and the best way to cut the crime rates?

Kerry called himself a catholic, yet he supported gay marriadge and abortions.

I think the candidates should drive around throwing money in the air so we can just all kill each other and get it over with. God save the queen ..I gotta go rent the "Getaway " so I can learn English .

Kerry called himself a catholic, yet he supported gay marriadge and abortions.

As most Catholics in your country seem to do. (http://www.brspoll.com/Reports/Catholic%20voters%20summary.pdf)

Weird, huh? (http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2005c/093005/093005o.php)

Kerry called himself a catholic, yet he supported gay marriadge and abortions.Because he believes in the seperation of Church and State. Look at Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, he's a catholic and he legalised gay marriage in Canada.

No, not most, just the left, tree hugging, hippie Liberals, which is about 45% or so.

As most Catholics in your country seem to do. (http://www.brspoll.com/Reports/Catholic%20voters%20summary.pdf)

Actually if you have checked the news from Philadelphia lately you would know that the priest kinda have that gay thing down pretty good.
They sure do like their altar boys !

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHURCH_ABUSE?SITE=FLROC&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

No, not most, just the left, tree hugging, hippie Liberals, which is about 45% or so.

You didn't read the documents linked, did you? You don't seem to read anything written.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.


I am EXCEDINGLY critical of the current heads of government in America right now, and one of the most liberal americans you will ever come into communication with, and all I have to say is........ you are full of shit.

point a. the problem in the us right now is not with the system, but with the particular idiot and his cronies that's president right now. modifications to the current laws to make sure the sad state in the gulf coast and in iraq and in afganistan don't happen again (and maybe shooting bush in the head), that's what's needed. not overhalling the system, to say.

point b. your argument completely whitewashes all the horrible attrocities that happened as a direct result of english imperialism. imperialism is never the answer.

point c. england's unitary system doesn't work when applied to diverse/large amounts of people, which is why it failed in regards to the americas in the first place. not because of taxation, and whatnot. federations are the way to go. (not confederations, those also suck).

point d. if the english tried to take over the us, all the trigger happy NRA members are going to pull out their semi automatics and resist. we don't even really need an army, with how well armed our population is.

Actually if you have checked the news from Philadelphia lately you would know that the priest kinda have that gay thing down pretty good.

American domestic news of such narrowness are of no interest to me. Also, pedophilia is off-topic for homosexuality.

Seperation of church and state is bull shit. My school has a holiday either this tuesday or monday. It's some Jewish holiday. They even say the jewish name on the calendar. and when it's christmas time, they call it winter break and we cant draw santa claus or christmas trees in class.

If anything we need church. Almost the whole world hates us. We need help from the man above.

I am EXCEDINGLY critical of the current heads of government in America right now, and one of the most liberal americans you will ever come into communication with, and all I have to say is........ you are full of shit.

point a. the problem in the us right now is not with the system, but with the particular idiot and his cronies that's president right now. modifications to the current laws to make sure the sad state in the gulf coast and in iraq and in afganistan don't happen again (and maybe shooting bush in the head), that's what's needed. not overhalling the system, to say.

point b. your argument completely whitewashes all the horrible attrocities that happened as a direct result of english imperialism. imperialism is never the answer.

point c. england's unitary system doesn't work when applied to diverse/large amounts of people, which is why it failed in regards to the americas in the first place. not because of taxation, and whatnot. federations are the way to go. (not confederations, those also suck).

point d. if the english tried to take over the us, all the trigger happy NRA members are going to pull out their semi automatics and resist. we don't even really need an army, with how well armed our population is.

Now now Sir he cant be helped he's been abducted by crazed albino lesbians in leather corsets and fishnet stockings and forced to english jokes and beg for a spanking. you would be crazy too . Dont call me trigger happy or I'll shoot you .

No, not most, just the left, tree hugging, hippie Liberals, which is about 45% or so.*This guy don't know Canada

If anything we need church. Almost the whole world hates us. We need help from the man above.

Ah, yes, the boogeyman in the sky. :rolleyes:

Ah, yes, the bogeyman in the sky. :rolleyes:

I dont know about you but when I see the bogey man in the sky its time for rehab .

*This guy don't know Canada

I'm talking about the US, not Canada. Canada is about 85% Liberals.

I dont know about you but when I see the bogey man in the sky its time for rehab .

You should tell that to those who worship him.

I'm talking about the US, not Canada. Canada is about 85% Liberals.

I am impressed by the elasticity of your sphincter and how it lets you pull such large numbers out of your ass.

America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.

ROFLMFAO i've never read anything so silly and ridiculous in my life .

I am impressed by the elasticity of your sphincter and how it lets you pull such large numbers out of your ass.


O yes I'm getting quite good at lieng and making it look realistic.

Why does Sweden have a high suicide rate?

ROFLMFAO i've never read anything so silly and ridiculous in my life .


Well we wont give back Manchester united ! So stop with the threats .. :p

Actually, there are. We call several of the foreign kings named "Charles" for "Carl" in certain uses, just like we call the French kings called "Louis" "Ludvig."
You know, sort of like you call "Gustav Adolf" "Gustuvus Adolphus"? "Elisabeth" is the Scandinavian spelling, as we're loathed to use the "zed" since we can't pronounce it all that well. Oh, and, yes, "Scandinavianised" is a perfectly cromulent word. I made it using my leet English linguistic skillz of derivation, yo.

Then you would know it takes an -ize ending. As you are so found of telling people, go look it up. The -ise ending is the haulmark of the badly educated. (And don't start about it being the prefered commonwealth english spelling, because it's not; that would be flat out wrong). And stop using slang.

And much as you love to pretend Fazz, you are not always right. If we were using Zweedizh, you would have a point about butchering the monarch's name. But we aren't. This would be no big deal, except for the fact that you are always criticizing other people's english and correcting them. Take your medicine like a man.

That was a jeux de mots. Perhaps you should look the term up?

I can only assume that you believe that play on words means rude. Otherwise you've lost me there.

Yeah, they did that at the same time they elected you "President of Feeble Attempts at Points That Are Based in Forced Misunderstandings." I personally think my title is catchier.

Here's the thing Fazz, you make a habit out of correcting other peoples tiny errors. Now I suppose to you when someone, inevitably, corrects one of yours, that is a "Feeble Attempts at Points That Are Based in Forced Misunderstandings" but let me assure you, however, that is not the case. It's simply Dr. Irony paying his expected visit.

Then you would know it takes an -ize ending. As you are so found of telling people, go look it up. The -ise ending is the haulmark of the badly educated. (And don't start about it being the prefered commonwealth english spelling, because it's not; that would be flat out wrong). And stop using slang.

And much as you love to pretend Fazz, you are not always right. If we were using Zweedizh, you would have a point about butchering the monarch's name. But we aren't. This would be no big deal, except for the fact that you are always criticizing other people's english and correcting them. Take your medicine like a man.



I can only assume that you believe that play on words means rude. Otherwise you've lost me there.



Here's the thing Fazz, you make a habit out of correcting other peoples tiny errors. Now I suppose to you when someone, inevitably, corrects one of yours, that is a "Feeble Attempts at Points That Are Based in Forced Misunderstandings" but let me assure you, however, that is not the case. It's simply Dr. Irony paying his expected visit.

Is that why you just gave him a rectal exam Doc ? :eek: I could not help it...
time for bed... :D

Why does Sweden have a high suicide rate?

Actually, it doesn't. (http://www.aneki.com/suicide.html) Swedish suicide rates are close to those of the US. I recall the number differing by perhaps a few persons or so per 100000 inhabitants in the two countries (I do not recall the gender specific stats).

Actually, it doesn't. (http://www.aneki.com/suicide.html) Swedish suicide rates are close to those of the US. I recall the number differing by perhaps a few persons or so per 100000 inhabitants in the two countries (I do not recall the gender specific stats).

I heard they have like one of the highest of civilized nation.

Dentist is the occupation with the highest suicide, yet I still wanna be a dentist.

Then you would know it takes an -ize ending. As you are so found of telling people, go look it up. The -ise ending is the haulmark of the badly educated. (And don't start about it being the prefered commonwealth english spelling, because it's not; that would be flat out wrong). And stop using slang.

Actually, the -ise is a permitted British spelling of the "-ise/-ize" suffix (the "-ize" one is getting more common, yet again, but I choose the former). It's a nice little 19th century French corruption, and I know how much you culturally myopic chaps hate those.

And much as you love to pretend Fazz, you are not always right.

I just happen to be right in this case. I used a Scandinavian spelling of her name. Big whoop. It's my prerogative. And you're bitching like a little school girl about it, because you pathetically enough seem to have waited for something like this to get at me, which is sort of cute, in an obvious and disturbing way.

Now, now, my dear little Lacadeamon, do you have something to say other than poor attempts to castigate me for using an alternative spelling that is closer to my nature?

If we were using Zweedizh, you would have a point about butchering the monarch's name. But we aren't. This would be no big deal, except for the fact that you are always criticizing other people's English and correcting them. Take your medicine like a man.

Apparently not. Pity. I guess you'll just have to wait a bit more for this little vendetta of yours to pay off.

I can only assume that you believe that play on words means rude. Otherwise you've lost me there.

Oh, I'm used to having lost you. It's par for the course, it seems.

Here's the thing Fazz, you make a habit out of correcting other peoples tiny errors. Now I suppose to you when someone, inevitably, corrects one of yours, that is a "Feeble Attempts at Points That Are Based in Forced Misunderstandings" but let me assure you, however, that is not the case. It's simply Dr. Irony paying his expected visit.

"Dr. Irony." That's almost as clever as your substituting the s's in my name with zeds. Almost, because the latter was such a stroke of comedic genius.

I heard they have like one of the highest of civilized nation.

Unsurprisingly, you heard incorrectly, as the link supplied proves. Foiled by facts, yet again. Tsk, tsk.

- snip -

Fass, it is becoming quite clear that this is actually upsetting you. Oh well, no hard feelings. I'll be more circumspect in the future.

Fass, it is becoming quite clear that this is actually upsetting you. Oh well, no hard feelings. I'll be more circumspect in the future.

Oh, dear, are you mistranslating my Scandinavian emotional detachment as some sort of "iciness" brought on by hurt feelings? I had better faith than that in you, but there is that myopia... :p

No Sir!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.


actually besides Denmark, Sweden, and Spain have monarchs, and there are other European monarchies. Even those European nations without monarchs have noble families, unless some extreme situation has caused them to be wiped out.

For your edification:

http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Monarchies_of_Europe.htm

and this interesting essay in defense of monarchy:

http://www.angelfire.com/in3/theodore/opinion/whymon.html

In fact monarcy with socialist features similar to my Nation is mentioned in the essay.

Most Americans I find are closet monarchists really. I should know. I see all the magazine and tabloid articles about the English Royals.

Ok, on the topic this all started with first..

Conquer but bring some bangers and mash, fish and chips (real chips damnit!) and a good Kabab!

Ok, now to dig through some of the poo that has been flung around. ;)

Somehow, somewhere in here, the topic of abortion reared its head, so Ill tackle that one.

Bush and the Republicans talk a good game. They talk about being pro-life and being oppossed to abortion. Have they actually done anything about it? No. In fact they taken no ACTIONS towards reducing the abortion rate in the U.S.

The legislation currently coming up to deal with the problems that lead to abortion, is infact being put up by a pro-life Democratic Senator from Ohio.(search for the 95-10 legislation plans)

You can TALK about being Pro-Life all you want, but if you do nothing you contribute to the problem.

Now, making abortion illegal.. is that the solution. Sorry, I dont think so.
Making it illegal will not solve the problem. Because the action of abortion in and of itself is not the whole problem. This problem has deep roots and they MUST be dealt with. Simply making it illegal does not change the poor healthcare for pregnant women, the awful adoption system, and the lack of age-appropriate sex-education and health education in the U.S.

Health care in general, especially that for pregnant women, needs to be improved. Strike at the roots of the problem, and then and only then will we see change.

There was a time when abortion was illegal, but it still happened. If people feel trapped, if they feel they have no other option because they know they can't raise the child, can not afford it, and can't even afford the healthcare required while BEING PREGNANT, then the chance of them having an abortion is even higher. Sad but true.

Education and Healthcare improvements are what are required at very basic levels. Improve this and we will start to see change. Keep simply talking about it and all you manage to do is piss people off.

About the quick blurb about Kerry being Catholic or not, and supporting those issues, etc. Not really our place to judge his faith.

But if you want to play that game, check out the stances of the Methodist church on the environment and war. President Bush is not supported by his own Church either, but this is often forgotten, because once more, he talks a good game.

And personally to me being pro-life is much wider than abortion issues. I am pro-life. I am opposed to abortion, and support the types of reforms I mentioned to help reduce it to the point it is no longer necessary except in the MOST extreme case. I am opposed to war, and the death penalty. And in strong support of programs which aid those in most desperate need in our nation, the poor, sick, elderly and dying.

Pro-life should mean life at all stages, imho.

Ok, thats my bit. Enjoy folks. ;)

Oh and go to Belfast, its a city in the UK, they speak English but got loads of Irish people around, and the Beer is not warm! Paradise I say! :P

America was doing OK, when England conquered it. (You know, excluding taxation & no rights)

Course, when England left, everything went to hell.

Now, you and me both know that the American Government is not very good. They're making their own people starve, and things are horrible there.

So I suggest reviving Imperialism. English Imperialism.

We can do it easily. We can do it to! Just send an army over there, and kick their butts.

It would be beneficial to both parties, with the English Govenrment controlling America, because it would be easier for us to facilitate aid, and help things around there. Also, we also get more manpower, AND more resources, which is always a great thing. Everyone benefits.

We need to conquer America.



firstly its BRITISH imperialism and if you read the declaration of revocation by john cleese then you would know that we took back their indipendance a few years a go...

actually besides Denmark, Sweden, and Spain have monarchs, and there are other European monarchies. Even those European nations without monarchs have noble families, unless some extreme situation has caused them to be wiped out.

For your edification:

http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Monarchies_of_Europe.htm

and this interesting essay in defense of monarchy:

http://www.angelfire.com/in3/theodore/opinion/whymon.html

In fact monarcy with socialist features similar to my Nation is mentioned in the essay.

Most Americans I find are closet monarchists really. I should know. I see all the magazine and tabloid articles about the English Royals.


Belgium also retains its monarchy..and look at the representations of these "true" democracy ..America and france..thanks all the same but were happpy not being in the same "club" as that lot..the frogs!

Technically England still has a monarchy -a royal family at least - but not as system of government. They're just figureheads... some with big ears :D They just open Parliament and stuff... oh and make speeches on Christmas

Technically England still has a monarchy -a royal family at least - but not as system of government. They're just figureheads... some with big ears :D They just open Parliament and stuff... oh and make speeches on Christmas

They're also the butt of most of our jokes. :)

W00t!!! 400 posts!!!

I want to join the house of lords ! I wanna be a duke ...the DUKE OF BEER & GUNS...wow who do I have to shoot to be a duke ? Long live the queen !

I want to join the house of lords ! I wanna be a duke ...the DUKE OF BEER & GUNS...wow who do I have to shoot to be a duke ? Long live the queen !

I know the future Duchess of Rutland :D i would introduce you but im afraid your competition

the French, they were inspired to take action by our freedom and saw the direct application of the Enlightenment ideas from Europe, and started form there.

You simplify the reason(s) for the French Revolution some what.

what you Brits have in your textbooks for the American Revoltutionary war. I want to see if my thesis is true: He who wins, writess history. Thanks.

Well I'm not sure about other Brits. But I never studied the American Revolution in school.

And to help you with "your" theory. The answer is no. The victor doesn't write history, historians write history. And the sources available for most periods come from all sides, not just the victor's side.

The number doesn't matter, it's a small percentile. My point is the majority of the world is democratic today.

Hardly. And you act like democracy is completely incompatible with Monarchy.

Also, the majority of the world [b]isn't[/i] democratic. I have no idea what blinkered world view gives you that impression.

But America gave Europe democracy back after WW one ...

Gave it back :confused:

Was Winston Churchill not elected or something.

And why was Franco still around if America "gave Europe democracy back" and why was a fair chunk of Europe under Soviet control.

you guys elected hitler with it so you have to give it back .

Umm, no. Some Germans elected Hitler. and I don't think that many of the ones that did are still around today.

You know going back to being a Brit doesnt look like it would be bad at all.
We could have Mexico as a colony...ummm well ok it already sorta is...but I wanna be a DUKE for my support. The "Duke of Beer " Just call me Sir Beer ...but never so beer ....hehehehehe Say wot ' ol chap ? O man I cant wait .

You know going back to being a Brit doesnt look like it would be bad at all.
We could have Mexico as a colony...ummm well ok it already sorta is...but I wanna be a DUKE for my support. The "Duke of Beer " Just call me Sir Beer ...but never so beer ....hehehehehe Say wot ' ol chap ? O man I cant wait .

..you would be "your grace...*name* The duke of beer"..its basic heraldry..

You simplify the reason(s) for the French Revolution some what.



Well I'm not sure about other Brits. But I never studied the American Revolution in school.

And to help you with "your" theory. The answer is no. The victor doesn't write history, historians write history. And the sources available for most periods come from all sides, not just the victor's side.



Hardly. And you act like democracy is completely incompatible with Monarchy.

Also, the majority of the world [b]isn't[/i] democratic. I have no idea what blinkered world view gives you that impression.



Gave it back :confused:

Was Winston Churchill not elected or something.

And why was Franco still around if America "gave Europe democracy back" and why was a fair chunk of Europe under Soviet control.



Umm, no. Some Germans elected Hitler. and I don't think that many of the ones that did are still around today.


i agree with you..if Democracy was "given" to Europe...how did Gladstone and Palmerston get elected?

Here comes a dozen posts about how American's can't make tea.
But they can't make tea... Mind you since I can't stand it or coffee I'm not really bothered. But it is hard to go somewhere and ask for tap water.

You simplify the reason(s) for the French Revolution some what.



Well I'm not sure about other Brits. But I never studied the American Revolution in school.

And to help you with "your" theory. The answer is no. The victor doesn't write history, historians write history. And the sources available for most periods come from all sides, not just the victor's side.



Hardly. And you act like democracy is completely incompatible with Monarchy.

Also, the majority of the world [b]isn't[/i] democratic. I have no idea what blinkered world view gives you that impression.



Gave it back :confused:

Was Winston Churchill not elected or something.

And why was Franco still around if America "gave Europe democracy back" and why was a fair chunk of Europe under Soviet control.



Umm, no. Some Germans elected Hitler. and I don't think that many of the ones that did are still around today.


Knucklehead that was all part of a long string of jokes and satire about Europeans and throwing stones at American actions in the world ..
Like the one about how when a people in the US need more living space we build an addition on the back of our home ...you guys invade Poland .

By the way, both the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights are based loosely on the 1215 issue of Magna Carta by.... English king John.

By the way, both the American Constitution and the Bill of Rights are based loosely on the 1215 issue of Magna Carta by.... English king John.

the Magna carta was Written by his barrons and lords..king jon just signed it

I want one of the big ass hats that the guards wear. Can a duke wear that hat ?

I want one of the big ass hats that the guards wear. Can a duke wear that hat ?


no a duke will have a crown..not as grand as THE crown or crowns but a crown none the less. it is only worn at his crowning and never again..

Legalizing pot is a bad idea. Most hardcore drugies that do cocain, crack, heroin, and the other drugs start out on pot. Imagine if most of the US starts smoking pot if it becomes legal. Then, many of those people would go on to worse drugs.

they wouldnt have a reason to move onto worse stuff. its more easily accessable so why would they want worse stuff. when they could get high legally.

they wouldnt have a reason to move onto worse stuff. its more easily accessable so why would they want worse stuff. when they could get high legally.

Actually, I believe if the U.S. make drugs legal, there would be less crime, stealing, murderiung, and junies. The only reason why people started pot, was to be cool, by doing something illiegal, but if it was legal, it wouldn't be cool anymore, and people wouldn't have to steal and murder to get the money for the drugs. Also people NEVER have died from taking the drug...they just died from drug-overdose.

Also....why is Americans called AMericans, when we belong in the United State...sh0ouldn't we be called, United Statians. Canadians aren't called americans, nor are those latinamerica countries.....

Now now Sir he cant be helped he's been abducted by crazed albino lesbians in leather corsets and fishnet stockings and forced to english jokes and beg for a spanking. you would be crazy too . Dont call me trigger happy or I'll shoot you .

......that statement offends me in more ways than one, and not just because im a lesbian and you called me sir assuming i'm a guy.

I laughed at this thread for two reasons.

1): It is really quite funny, and it seems to me it is just a simple joke.

2): England could not conquer the United States of America, no matter how hard they might try.

~ Romandeos.

I laughed at this thread for two reasons.

1): It is really quite funny, and it seems to me it is just a simple joke.

2): England could not conquer the United States of America, no matter how hard they might try.

~ Romandeos.

1. Its only a bit of fun
2.The way most americans act its going to be the other way around pretty soon.

I laughed at this thread for two reasons.

1): It is really quite funny, and it seems to me it is just a simple joke.

2): England could not conquer the United States of America, no matter how hard they might try.

~ Romandeos.


I agree, first all resistance would be shot down in no time. Second it would probly cause the end of the world. Allies would go for allies then remember their allies in this "Allied Assult" on an allie and then the...allies would help...their allie in a war that would ultimatly destroy...their...allie?...See it does not make sense. BUt any way some one would launch a nuke and then the chain reaction would ultimatly destroy the world.

Hey at least Kim Jong Il of North Korea would be happy.

:headbang: <Pointless.

Oh, the ignorance. None of those are American plans or ideas. Those are typical European ideas from the enlightenment. Your whole system of government was pretty much an invention of John Locke - a Brit - and Baron de Montesquieu - a Frenchman, who themselves got it from the Romans and the Greeks! The "American" plan. Pfft! Seems to me like what you need to plan is your educational system if any of this is unknown to you. :rolleyes:

Thank you for pointing that out to him! The sheer level of arrogant ignorance of some Americans is thoroughly depressing.


No Sir!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.


And that proves my point in so many ways...

I know they arent American ideas. The Republic is from Ancient Athens and dthe John Locke people. America is the nation that took the risk by taking those ideas to run their government, while everyone else had a monarch.
Well, let's face it, the only time Great Britain had tried republicanism before that wasn't exactly a success...

the Magna carta was Written by his barrons and lords..king jon just signed it
He didn't even sign it...he sealed it :p

not to mention british people are pussies. no offense i love english and alot of european culture, but u guys are pussies. oh and theres this thing called NATO.... and if england attack US there would be a shit ton of countries on thier arse. :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :sniper:

Is that how Britain/England has one of the most impressive military records of history, despite the fact they were often highly outnumbered by the enemy? Not to mention the fact the SAS are the best soilders in the world and as a whole the British army is smaller but far more professional, trained and skilled on a man to man basis than the American army? ;)

Here comes a dozen posts about how American's can't make tea.

Americans don't know the meaning of a good cup of tea ! ;)
Or coffee for that matter, the best coffee I ever had was in France.

And as for the UK taking over the US - I for one say no ! I don't think many of us would want that :p

He didn't even sign it...he sealed it :p

I do apologise.
SO he didnt even sign it? well now i know thankue

America needs to invade Britain actually, maybe they can bring this democracy-thingy along too :eek:

Is that how Britain/England has one of the most impressive military records of history, despite the fact they were often highly outnumbered by the enemy? Not to mention the fact the SAS are the best soilders in the world and as a whole the British army is smaller but far more professional, trained and skilled on a man to man basis than the American army? ;)

...also how did we found the worlds largest trade/millitary empire?

Is that how Britain/England has one of the most impressive military records of history, despite the fact they were often highly outnumbered by the enemy? Not to mention the fact the SAS are the best soilders in the world and as a whole the British army is smaller but far more professional, trained and skilled on a man to man basis than the American army? ;)

There really ought to be a shit ton of countries on both of our arses for Iraq.
We're not the ones being blown to hell by "precision bombing" here, we're also not being tortued by Anglo-American soldiers in prison for no reason. All the Iraqi people did was happen to live in an oil rich region.
We, the west (mostly our politicians), really are evil.

I do apologise.
SO he didnt even sign it? well now i know thankue
Aye but back in the 13th century a seal would be thought of in the same way as we would think of a signature. IIRC it's still used on legal documents.

Well, let's face it, the only time Great Britain had tried republicanism before that wasn't exactly a success...

Republicanism is nto suited to the British taste

Republicanism is nto suited to the British taste

Given half a chance I'd pack off the whole royal family off to a council house in Liecester !

Aye but back in the 13th century a seal would be thought of in the same way as we would think of a signature. IIRC it's still used on legal documents.

oh...well i learn a bit every day ..wish i had a seal :( with flippers!

Given half a chance I'd pack off the whole royal family off to a council house in Liecester !

...I said BRITISH TASTE! not this modern bunch of middle class Leftist coffee drinking lot that have taken over the country. Thats not British.

...I said BRITISH TASTE! not this modern bunch of middle class Leftist coffee drinking lot that have taken over the country. Thats not British.

Oh I'm perfectly British. Northamptonshire, Rose of the Shires.
Patriotism isn't about being right-wing and monarchist. One can be republican (not in the American sense !) and still love Britain. I just don't think we should have a line of people regarded as 'better' than everyone else because of their name. Also, Britain has a terrible class problem - our class perception hasn't changed at all for at least 30 years. We are far to 'classist' here.

Socialism would solve all that ;)

Oh I'm perfectly British. Northamptonshire, Rose of the Shires.
Patriotism isn't about being right-wing and monarchist. One can be republican (not in the American sense !) and still love Britain. I just don't think we should have a line of people regarded as 'better' than everyone else because of their name. Also, Britain has a terrible class problem - our class perception hasn't changed at all for at least 30 years. We are far to 'classist' here.

Socialism would solve all that ;)

naturally i beg to differ, the monarchy are part of our Culture, get rid of them and we may as well get rid of everything else that makes up part of said culture

Oh I'm perfectly British. Northamptonshire, Rose of the Shires.
Patriotism isn't about being right-wing and monarchist. One can be republican (not in the American sense !) and still love Britain. I just don't think we should have a line of people regarded as 'better' than everyone else because of their name. Also, Britain has a terrible class problem - our class perception hasn't changed at all for at least 30 years. We are far to 'classist' here.

Socialism would solve all that ;)

Care to give an example of classism that still exsists? (excluding monarchy)

naturally i beg to differ, the monarchy are part of our Culture, get rid of them and we may as well get rid of everything else that makes up part of said culture

At the moment all the monarchy does is cost us tax money and provide scandals for the tabloids. Yes, the Queen is an ambassador, but a glorified one at that.

Oh and also that bloody song Jerusalem. Blake is turning in his grave every time that is sung as a patriotic hymn - that poem alone shows how ignorant the British population is as a whole.

The best thing in British culture is a pint of Real Ale !

At the moment all the monarchy does is cost us tax money and provide scandals for the tabloids. Yes, the Queen is an ambassador, but a glorified one at that.
Shocking isn't it?

All she does is provide fodder for tabloids, and cost us money. And she doesn't even cost us money!

What does that leave us with? Tabloid fodder? Useless!

At the moment all the monarchy does is cost us tax money and provide scandals for the tabloids. Yes, the Queen is an ambassador, but a glorified one at that.

Oh and also that bloody song Jerusalem. Blake is turning in his grave every time that is sung as a patriotic hymn - that poem alone shows how ignorant the British population is as a whole.

The best thing in British culture is a pint of Real Ale !


do realise how much it would cost the tax payer to do the following?

Pay for the reminting of currency and stamps
Pay for the money the M.O.D would require for the necesery beurocracy
pay for the preservation of over 400 historic holmes and buidings as yet under private management
pay for a new presidential system
pay for the restructure of all the armed forces
Also scotland, wales and northern island would become indipendant states. this is a perfect scenario for imperail Amercia :the smaller your enemies are the easier they are to corrupt and invade.

Care to give an example of classism that still exsists? (excluding monarchy)

The House Of Lords.
The way we still have a huge rich/poor divide.

--

Labour are the most flawed 'socialist' party ever. Nowadays they are not socialist in the slightest, but when the LRC was founded it was intended to be so - unfortunately when a party is partly made up of trade unions, unless it is really revolutionary, it can never convert a country to socialism. Without reform the trade unions depend upon the success of the respective corporations to ensure thier members are well looked-after ; this makes it difficult to change to socialism. The only option is nationalisation of industry or (in the short run) higher taxes upon the industry owners to be channelled back into schemes to halp the workers.
A bigger state would be hepful for pulling many many Britons out of poverty. How can we fight poverty abroad when we still have people starving and homeless in our own big cities ?

The House Of Lords.
The way we still have a huge rich/poor divide.

--

Labour are the most flawed 'socialist' party ever. Nowadays they are not socialist in the slightest, but when the LRC was founded it was intended to be so - unfortunately when a party is partly made up of trade unions, unless it is really revolutionary, it can never convert a country to socialism. Without reform the trade unions depend upon the success of the respective corporations to ensure thier members are well looked-after ; this makes it difficult to change to socialism. The only option is nationalisation of industry or (in the short run) higher taxes upon the industry owners to be channelled back into schemes to halp the workers.
A bigger state would be hepful for pulling many many Britons out of poverty. How can we fight poverty abroad when we still have people starving and homeless in our own big cities ?

*points* BOLSHEVIK!

do realise how much it would cost the tax payer to do the following?

Pay for the reminting of currency and stamps
Pay for the money the M.O.D would require for the necesery beurocracy
pay for the preservation of over 400 historic holmes and buidings as yet under private management
pay for a new presidential system
pay for the restructure of all the armed forces
Also scotland, wales and northern island would become indipendant states. this is a perfect scenario for imperail Amercia :the smaller your enemies are the easier they are to corrupt and invade.

beat that :D

northern island
Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland.

:headbang: sorry

do realise how much it would cost the tax payer to do the following?

Pay for the reminting of currency and stamps
Pay for the money the M.O.D would require for the necesery beurocracy
pay for the preservation of over 400 historic holmes and buidings as yet under private management
pay for a new presidential system
pay for the restructure of all the armed forces
Also scotland, wales and northern island would become indipendant states. this is a perfect scenario for imperail Amercia :the smaller your enemies are the easier they are to corrupt and invade.

Currency : convert to the Euro, there is no better time to do it.
Beaurocracy : There is plenty of tax money being spent here, there is no need for increases.
Historic Monuments : When the tax payer isn't paying for monarchy there is extra money to send here. Also if corporations/industry etc. is nationalised then it will be cheaper to keep these monuments.
Would we need to pay for a new presidential sytem ? I don't think we would have to put any more money in that before. But with higher taxes for the rich then there is more money going in.
Scotland/Wales etc. don't neccesarily have to become independant, they are part of Britain - it's the British government, not jsut England.

The House Of Lords.
The way we still have a huge rich/poor divide.

--

Labour are the most flawed 'socialist' party ever. Nowadays they are not socialist in the slightest, but when the LRC was founded it was intended to be so - unfortunately when a party is partly made up of trade unions, unless it is really revolutionary, it can never convert a country to socialism. Without reform the trade unions depend upon the success of the respective corporations to ensure thier members are well looked-after ; this makes it difficult to change to socialism. The only option is nationalisation of industry or (in the short run) higher taxes upon the industry owners to be channelled back into schemes to halp the workers.
A bigger state would be hepful for pulling many many Britons out of poverty. How can we fight poverty abroad when we still have people starving and homeless in our own big cities ?


The House of Lords has recently undergone a process to diversify it and the rich/poor divide is neccesarily classism. The divide isn't as big as most other countries too.

Currency : convert to the Euro, there is no better time to do it.
Beaurocracy : There is plenty of tax money being spent here, there is no need for increases.
Historic Monuments : When the tax payer isn't paying for monarchy there is extra money to send here. Also if corporations/industry etc. is nationalised then it will be cheaper to keep these monuments.
Would we need to pay for a new presidential sytem ? I don't think we would have to put any more money in that before. But with higher taxes for the rich then there is more money going in.
Scotland/Wales etc. don't neccesarily have to become independant, they are part of Britain - it's the British government, not jsut England.

TAX THE RICH MORE?! wtf they wont have anything left..they wont be the rich......BOLSHEVIK! *runs for the hills*

edit: Exlapain the scotish houses of parliment

got to watch that brain drain though. Maybe we could give tax breaks to those that contribute more?

at present the tax payer pays 21p for the royal familly..not each member of it..as a wholle..the whole thing!* it would be far more if you got rid of the monarchy in favour of a presidential sytem
not to mention you still have not answered my Armed forces part

*the duchy are self proficient in that manner

sad to think this will be my last debate..alas..twas good while it lasted

at present the tax payer pays 21p for the royal familly..not each member of it..as a wholle..the whole thing!* it would be far more if you got rid of the monarchy in favour of a presidential sytem
not to mention you still have not answered my Armed forces part

*the duchy are self proficient in that manner

sad to think this will be my last debate..alas..twas good while it lasted

Yeah, I forgot the Forces bit while typing.
We do not need to spend as much on the forces as we do now at all.

Our foreign policy (especially military involvement) should be more isolationist ; while doing this, however, we cannot do enough to help the poor in places abroad - we know the British public are interested in this because of the massive success (though unfortunately not in a political sense, but in a popular sense) of the MakePovertyHistory campaign.

*points* BOLSHEVIK!

I'd also like to point out that I'm not a Bolshevik, and that this term (and others) are used as a derogatory to scare the public away from socialism.

But we dont want a president, most of yours either started watrs unnecessarily, didnt join wars nearly quick enough, fought eachother or got caught doing it with a very ugly woman!! Why would we want that kind of leadership

The House of Lords has recently undergone a process to diversify it and the rich/poor divide is neccesarily classism. The divide isn't as big as most other countries too.

*most other western nations (European nations in particular)

I think this is a triple post now, too !

But we dont want a president, most of yours either started watrs unnecessarily, didnt join wars nearly quick enough, fought eachother or got caught doing it with a very ugly woman!! Why would we want that kind of leadership

We have just as ugly a past. For example Chamberlain did not have to appease Hitler because he was too scared to fight him. After all the Nazis were good for business men, why ever would a Tory PM stop good business ? Especially when many of the rich people quite liked Hitler.

But anyway, no, not all world leaders have to be corrupt - it just seems to be an American trend (no offense to the ordinary American). It's a shame that the world's most powerful nation is so corrupt.

Haha speaking of ugly past - Margaret Thatcher *shudder*
I shudder evertime i hear that name !

We have just as ugly a past. For example Chamberlain did not have to appease Hitler because he was too scared to fight him. After all the Nazis were good for business men, why ever would a Tory PM stop good business ? Especially when many of the rich people quite liked Hitler.
Chamberlain went back to London in 1936 and ordered the army to start building air raid shelters and trench lines around London. He was willing to go to war with Germany if they took Czechoslovakia by means of military force, but Hitler caved in to Chamberlain's demands that he only peacefully annex a part of Czechoslovakia. Why did he do this? Because Britain was rearming, and Chamberlain's massive rearmanent programme (which largely won the Second World War) hadnt been finished yet. Chamberlain was one of the greatest Prime Ministers the world has ever seen and just as worthy of rememberance as Churchill, but everyone touts this "appeasement" crap because they never bother to learn proper history.

*sigh*

Proper history meaning history of the Tory party by the Tory party ?
What's next ? Margaret Thatcher a working class hero ?!

Chamberlain went back to London in 1936 and ordered the army to start building air raid shelters and trench lines around London. He was willing to go to war with Germany if they took Czechoslovakia by means of military force, but Hitler caved in to Chamberlain's demands that he only peacefully annex a part of Czechoslovakia. Why did he do this? Because Britain was rearming, and Chamberlain's massive rearmanent programme (which largely won the Second World War) hadnt been finished yet. Chamberlain was one of the greatest Prime Ministers the world has ever seen and just as worthy of rememberance as Churchill, but everyone touts this "appeasement" crap because they never bother to learn proper history.

*sigh*

:eek: i am Ignorant! forgive me i did not know this fact...

Chamberlain went back to London in 1936 and ordered the army to start building air raid shelters and trench lines around London. He was willing to go to war with Germany if they took Czechoslovakia by means of military force, but Hitler caved in to Chamberlain's demands that he only peacefully annex a part of Czechoslovakia. Why did he do this? Because Britain was rearming, and Chamberlain's massive rearmanent programme (which largely won the Second World War) hadnt been finished yet. Chamberlain was one of the greatest Prime Ministers the world has ever seen and just as worthy of rememberance as Churchill, but everyone touts this "appeasement" crap because they never bother to learn proper history.

*sigh*

Hitler revised his demands to parts of Czechoslovakia, historial documents clearly show this.

Proper history meaning history of the Tory party by the Tory party ?
What's next ? Margaret Thatcher a working class hero ?!
Care to actually attack my points? Or are you just going to talk about different points which I havent made, attack them and then claim victory?

Yeah, because now I'm considerably more drunk han when I started posting here and I'm not so vocal of my views now and more interested in having a laugh thankyou.

Anyway, I may be off soon to protest against the illegality of marajuana.

Yeah, because now I'm considerably more drunk han when I started posting here and I'm not so vocal of my views now and more interested in having a laugh thankyou.

Anyway, I may be off soon to protest against the illegality of marajuana.
lol, ok. Well have fun...

Yeah, because now I'm considerably more drunk han when I started posting here and I'm not so vocal of my views now and more interested in having a laugh thankyou.

Anyway, I may be off soon to protest against the illegality of marajuana.

Sir i mean no offence when i say this..but i hope you never get a consituancy

P.S enjoy your booze :p

The wonder plant, not unhealthy in moderation (like all things) and not at all a 'gateway drug'.

Sir i mean no offence when i say this..but i hope you never get a consituancy

P.S enjoy your booze :p

People tell me I should go into politics, and I blood hope I don't. I can't lie enough to be one of those.
No, my career is in music. Hopefully composing original film music ;)

just what America needs (from my English view ;) ) well the world would be better but I'm not complaining :D

shakes fist at American revolutionary’s and there tax ovation scemes:mad:

People tell me I should go into politics, and I blood hope I don't. I can't lie enough to be one of those.
No, my career is in music. Hopefully composing original film music ;)

i love film music..at the moment i happen to be listenning to the score from gladiator :p but i expect you wouldnt do that type of music would you ?

Am I the only one here with les than 50 posts... Let alone one thousand ?!
Christ !
I'll be back though, one day, not so far awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

i love film music..at the moment i happen to be listenning to the score from gladiator :p but i expect you wouldnt do that type of music would you ?

I certainly would. At the moment I am listening to the Godfather Trilogy soundtrack !

I'm finding it hard to et up and actually go for that reefer. Every time I go to leave I get sucked back in !

they wouldnt have a reason to move onto worse stuff. its more easily accessable so why would they want worse stuff. when they could get high legally.

After you do pot for a long time, teh affects of pot aren't as strong as they used to be when you started. So they do worse stuff to get a better affect.

That's funny since today most countries have a constitution close to America's and even the English give their citizens similar rights to America.
The whole world copied America's plan of having a republic instead of a monarchy.

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.
Actually many of America's rights come from England. England was the first country in the world that granted a right to free speech.

Unsurprisingly, you heard incorrectly, as the link supplied proves. Foiled by facts, yet again. Tsk, tsk.

You're just defending your miserable country. The facts are right.

Actually many of America's rights come from England. England was the first country in the world that granted a right to free speech.

Wrong Idiot! Americans were in trouble if they said whatever they wanted to about King George III during Colonial time

Yeah, carry on thinking you invented democracy :)

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.

I dont think I've ever seen a more redicoulous statement. How old is America? How old is Parliment. Who created who? Britian is not copying American government. If anything, its the other way round. Your system was based on ours to start with

Wrong Idiot! Americans were in trouble if they said whatever they wanted to about King George III during Colonial time

In England, in the colinists maybe not

Chamberlain went back to London in 1936 and ordered the army to start building air raid shelters and trench lines around London. He was willing to go to war with Germany if they took Czechoslovakia by means of military force, but Hitler caved in to Chamberlain's demands that he only peacefully annex a part of Czechoslovakia. Why did he do this? Because Britain was rearming, and Chamberlain's massive rearmanent programme (which largely won the Second World War) hadnt been finished yet. Chamberlain was one of the greatest Prime Ministers the world has ever seen and just as worthy of rememberance as Churchill, but everyone touts this "appeasement" crap because they never bother to learn proper history.

*sigh*

This is close to the most astounding piece of propaganda I have seen in a long time ..and to top it off you think people never bother to learn " proper" history . You have made Goebbels proud with that bit of creative writing...it only contradicts every biography I have read on Neville Chamberlain including his own letters that describe his thoughts on the matter ...not to mention historical facts concerning rearmament and Hitlers own words and actions , along with the words of his staff and members of his party..Winston Churchills biographys ...the words of Anthony Eden....* Hitler caved into Chamberlains DEMANDS....bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha gotta get your humor where you can I guess....I would have quietly just had a chuckle but you had to wind me up with the PROPER EDUCATION prompt..or was it a joke ? ... :rolleyes:


Maybe you can find the part in international law that gave Great Britain the right to give Hitler the Sudetanland ...part of another country ? Neville Chamberlands whole foriegn policy was one of the most shamefull periods in Britains long history. Although he would have been hard pressed to beat the Opium wars .

After you do pot for a long time, teh affects of pot aren't as strong as they used to be when you started. So they do worse stuff to get a better affect.

Spoken like a man who has never tried pot.

Or any drug for that matter.

Spoken like a man who has never tried pot.

Or any drug for that matter.

Exactly what I was going to say. Foiled by popular myths put forward by governments to justify their stance. In fact it would be legal if the government could effectively tax it.
I'd rather people were stoned looking for mars bars than people pissed and looking for a fight.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that Blair should start demanding back payments on tea tax whenever he sends our troops to fight America's wars for it, and (as like as not) lose more personnel to friendly fire incidents than the enemy.

Maybe America should own England you idiot. YOu are copien our form of government.



As far as I remember, we in Britain are Democratic Monarchists, rather than Capatilist Republicans

No Sir!

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.


African Monarchies

Lesotho
Morocco
Swaziland

Asian Monarchies

Bahrain
Bhutan
Brunei
Cambodia
Japan
Jordan
Kuwait
Malaysia
Nepal
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Thailand

European Monarchies

Andorra
Belgium
Denmark
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom
Vatican City

Andorra
Belgium
Denmark
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Spain
Sweden
United Kingdom
Vatican City
You seem unable to differentiate between countries that are run by an absolute dictator with a divine right to rule from God, and countries that leave a few ornaments with no political power lying about in order to attract fat, rich tourists from said countries ruled by unelected theocrats.

there is no such thing as a good imperialism,
a moral imperialism, just or right imperialism.

slavery is wrong

As far as I remember, we in Britain are Democratic Monarchists, rather than Capatilist Republicans

Constitutional Monarchy rather then a Constitutional Republic IIRC.

there is no such thing as a good imperialism,
a moral imperialism, just or right imperialism.

slavery is wrong

1) slavery? let me guess American (Britain banned slavery long before the U.S did)

2) tell me why imperialism has to be bad?

2) tell me why imperialism has to be bad?

Look at Africa.

Wrong Idiot! Americans were in trouble if they said whatever they wanted to about King George III during Colonial time

so how did your rebel leaders managed to spread all that propaganda that started the revolutionary war?

Look at Africa.

yes lets how many years since imperialism? why did America, Australia and even Iceland (well apart from the natives but everyone was doing it) emerge so well? and why is it Africa just gets poorer?

because...no offence...it is just seemingly natural for africans to get into power and take everything from themselves. Its seen as a good thing to cheat your neighbour, there is no concept of a welfare state. Just africans. (i no many of them and all will admit to that)

Newsflash - most of the Western European countries still do have a monarch.
Did you say most of the western european countries? Approximately half of them are monarchies (if you consider Monaco, Liechtenstein, etc.). The other half are republics, actually.

Most countries have a democracy now. The only european country with a monarch I can think of is denmark.
Only Denmark? You seem to be missing a few ;)

because...no offence...it is just seemingly natural for africans to get into power and take everything from themselves. Its seen as a good thing to cheat your neighbour, there is no concept of a welfare state. Just africans. (i no many of them and all will admit to that)

um you do know African Imperialism started when they were in the age of feudalism so they were at the time :p

also Africa (well the poor parts) are geographically disadvantaged so they were poor anyway (the reason why we managed to take over there countries was because of this disadvantage)

No offense but you really wouldn't stand a chance in an invasion. Currently there are 4 million members in the NRA, among others who own guns, plus the Nat'l Guard, plus any other forces who come to fight. An invasion would be destroyed

If well trained troops stand no chance against British and American forces, why sould gun nuts with shotguns stand a chance? Look at Iraq, everyone over there has guns, did that help them any? no. because the british and americans are better trained, better armed, and better armored. I'm not saying guerilla warfare couldn't work, but as for repelling an invasion? no way.

so how did your rebel leaders managed to spread all that propaganda that started the revolutionary war?

The Redcoats were too drunk to notice them.

Yeah, the reason a Brittish invasion wouldn't work out might be the best funded army in the world (and about 10 times bigger), not a few civilians with guns :D