NationStates Jolt Archive

DHomme + other Communists - Do you know why you have a computer? Do you know why (as I assume most of you are Americans) you have the lowest food prices in the world? Do you know why you all live in extremely rich countries? Do you know what gives people in third world countries any kind of job at all? No? Thought not.

And Rover employees were "fired" because the company went out of business, largely because its time as part of the nationalised giant, British Leyland, starved it completely of the funds it needed to produce new models and remain competitive. That doesnt make any sense as any kind of point against capitalism :confused:

DHomme + other Communists - Do you know why you have a computer? Do you know why (as I assume most of you are Americans) you have the lowest food prices in the world? Do you know why you all live in extremely rich countries? Do you know what gives people in third world countries any kind of job at all? No? Thought not.
Yes, capitalism has revolutionised the world's industry. I think most people realise that. However, it doesn't stop the needless suffering that occurs thanks to the market system. It doesn't stop the bourgeoisie from maintaining control and leaving the workers without a true say.


And Rover employees were "fired" because the company went out of business, largely because its time as part of the nationalised giant, British Leyland, starved it completely of the funds it needed to produce new models and remain competitive. That doesnt make any sense as any kind of point against capitalism :confused:
Okay so because it was nationalised more than 20 years ago it went into administration? Right.

Yes, capitalism has revolutionised the world's industry. I think most people realise that. However, it doesn't stop the needless suffering that occurs thanks to the market system. It doesn't stop the bourgeoisie from maintaining control and leaving the workers without a true say.
Most of the "needless suffering" in Africa is caused by EU subsidies and tarrifs on agriculture imposed and maintained by the sadly over-prevelent European socialist parties. Capitalism is not an imperfect system, the system is merely imperfect capitalism (well ok it's more complex than that, but it sounds good).

Believe it or not, this isnt the 19th century. Health and safety regulations and free health insurance for the poor can go hand-in-hand with low taxes, free trade and free enterprise. All overrestrictive "democratic" socialism does is try to keep in place industries with no future (see miners strikes in Britain), artificially raise wages at the ultimate expense of the system which pays them, which then leads to companies going out of business and overall damage the economy which in turn leads to wide scale unemployment and a drastic reduction in the standard of living.

And the workers get 1 vote each, just like the "Bourgeoisie".

Okay so because it was nationalised more than 20 years ago it went into administration? Right.
Yes. Nationalisation removed most of its capital, so although it could keep going making its old models, and could design some new, cheap and unsuccessful models, it had no long term future as an independently owned company. The same has happened to all the British car industries that were nationalised - Jaguar, Lotus, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin... they're all owned by American car companies because British Leyland destroyed any ability they had to remain competitive independently after they were removed from it.

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Most of the "needless suffering" in Africa is caused by EU subsidies and tarrifs on agriculture imposed and maintained by the sadly over-prevelent European socialist parties. Capitalism is not an imperfect system, the system is merely imperfect capitalism (well ok it's more complex than that, but it sounds good).
Capitalism is not in its purest form because that is an actual impossibility, do you honestly think we can have a system which encourages greed and individualism which is not rife with corruption? And the problems to which you refer are more often caused by low wages and massive interest rates rather than your accusations of a lef-twing bureaucracy.


Believe it or not, this isnt the 19th century. Health and safety regulations and free health insurance for the poor can go hand-in-hand with low taxes, free trade and free enterprise.
Examples where this is effective and leads to a high-quality of health insurance, please?

All overrestrictive "democratic" socialism does is try to keep in place industries with no future (see miners strikes in Britain), artificially raise wages at the ultimate expense of the system which pays them, which then leads to companies going out of business and overall damage the economy which in turn leads to wide scale unemployment and a drastic reduction in the standard of living.
Im sorry, did you just call britain socialist? harharhar. my sides are splitting. The miners' strikes were necessary for the workers to hold onto their jobs. It seems that all this talk of the 'backwardness of the industry' and so on was just a ploy for the bosses to move onto new industries where they felt they could create larger profits for themselves leaving the workers in the dust.


And the workers get 1 vote each, just like the "Bourgeoisie".

Except when it comes to the workplace.


Yes. Nationalisation removed most of its capital, so although it could keep going making its old models, and could design some new, cheap and unsuccessful models, it had no long term future as an independently owned company. The same has happened to all the British car industries that were nationalised - Jaguar, Lotus, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin... they're all owned by American car companies because British Leyland destroyed any ability they had to remain competitive independently after they were removed from it.
Maybe we should have kept them nationalised then. Perhaps we could have kept the 'phoenix four' from purchasing the company for a tenner before taking 40 million away from the company for themselves. Hardly seems like the nationalisation was what bled it dry

Capitalism is not in its purest form because that is an actual impossibility, do you honestly think we can have a system which encourages greed and individualism which is not rife with corruption? And the problems to which you refer are more often caused by low wages and massive interest rates rather than your accusations of a lef-twing bureaucracy.


Examples where this is effective and leads to a high-quality of health insurance, please?

Im sorry, did you just call britain socialist? harharhar. my sides are splitting. The miners' strikes were necessary for the workers to hold onto their jobs. It seems that all this talk of the 'backwardness of the industry' and so on was just a ploy for the bosses to move onto new industries where they felt they could create larger profits for themselves leaving the workers in the dust.


Except when it comes to the workplace.


Maybe we should have kept them nationalised then. Perhaps we could have kept the 'phoenix four' from purchasing the company for a tenner before taking 40 million away from the company for themselves. Hardly seems like the nationalisation was what bled it dry

Firstly, we ought to have you whipped, bloody impertinent foreign dog :p

Secondly, Britain is, much to my chagrin, socialist to an extent, since we maintain a nationalised, free health service, admittedly an incompetant, beaurocratic and inefficient one. Such a concept is inherently socialist, and furthermore, the miners strikes were not a contrived conspiracy theory, the miners reasoning was more socialist, and the strike engendered due to opposition to Thatcher, not any desire to "desperately retain jobs that the nasty little bourgoise deemed unnecessary".

Firstly, we ought to have you whipped, bloody impertinent foreign dog :p

Secondly, Britain is, much to my chagrin, socialist to an extent, since we maintain a nationalised, free health service, admittedly an incompetant, beaurocratic and inefficient one. Such a concept is inherently socialist, and furthermore, the miners strikes were not a contrived conspiracy theory, the miners reasoning was more socialist, and the strike engendered due to opposition to Thatcher, not any desire to "desperately retain jobs that the nasty little bourgoise deemed unnecessary".

Okay.... So you think Britain is socialist? Seriously, are you so far right-wing that you've turned blind to the truth. Despite some minimal restrictions which are being broken down nicely these days, we live in a free market. There is no central government planning, no attempt to destroy the concept of class, there are still corporations, there is private property and you are still allowed to employ other people. How is this in ANY WAY socialist?

Okay.... So you think Britain is socialist? Seriously, are you so far right-wing that you've turned blind to the truth. Despite some minimal restrictions which are being broken down nicely these days, we live in a free market. There is no central government planning, no attempt to destroy the concept of class, there are still corporations, there is private property and you are still allowed to employ other people. How is this in ANY WAY socialist?

Mayhaps a taxation level of 40% upon all those earnings accrued over £42000 per year, purposed to fund an inefficient, flawed and pervasive welfare system proffered to those entirely capable of providing a means of survival to live beyond their means. Furthermore, the re-disribution of degenerates from the inner city to otherwise pacifistic, idyllic rural locations to proffer the facade of crime reduction, whilst imposing upon those who exert themselves to evade such degenerates through worthwhile employment. Moreover, I am assured I am justified in believing that a myriad of "affordable" homes for those incapable of acquiring one of their own capacity is an inherently socialist prinsiple. Finally, Mr.Blair's much vaunted City Academies merely serve to withdraw funds from those educational establishments whose inhabitants actually achieve and aspire to academia, and are not denizens of an inner city ghetto the majority of whom neither adhere to nor have the visage of a British citizen.

Okay.... So you think Britain is socialist? Seriously, are you so far right-wing that you've turned blind to the truth. Despite some minimal restrictions which are being broken down nicely these days, we live in a free market. There is no central government planning, no attempt to destroy the concept of class, there are still corporations, there is private property and you are still allowed to employ other people. How is this in ANY WAY socialist?
No central government planning? Hm, minimal. Still corporations? Check. Attempts to destroy the concept of class? Hm, minimal... Private property? Check. People are allowed to employ? Check.

Hey, Sweden isn't socialist! Odd, considering the socialist-democrats have been running the country for pretty much 100 years...

Mayhaps a taxation level of 40% upon all those earnings accrued over £42000 per year,

If we live in a system where that exists it is simply not socialist as there is still inequity clearly.

purposed to fund an inefficient, flawed and pervasive welfare system proffered to those entirely capable of providing a means of survival to live beyond their means.

Living beyond their means? Immigrants are given £37 a week and you're saying that's too much? You right-wingers are actually sick.

Furthermore, the re-disribution of degenerates from the inner city to otherwise pacifistic, idyllic rural locations to proffer the facade of crime reduction, whilst imposing upon those who exert themselves to evade such degenerates through worthwhile employment.

Want to explain this? All I'm getting is some vaguely nationalistic spirit which plays upon the little perfect view of britain as little white cottages in rural communities. This is not backed up with any evidence


Moreover, I am assured I am justified in believing that a myriad of "affordable" homes for those incapable of acquiring one of their own capacity is an inherently socialist prinsiple.
Fought for by socialists, being taken away rapidly. Over 50,000 of these houses are being taken away a year while only 18,000 are built to replace them.


Finally, Mr.Blair's much vaunted City Academies merely serve to withdraw funds from those educational establishments whose inhabitants actually achieve and aspire to academia, and are not denizens of an inner city ghetto the majority of whom neither adhere to nor have the visage of a British citizen.
The city academies are being funded by private enterprises! wtf are you on about?

Hey, Sweden isn't socialist! Odd, considering the socialist-democrats have been running the country for pretty much 100 years...

You're exactly right. Social democrats dont advocate socialism and democratic socialists never achieve socialism

*Sees a long, confusing and worryingly serious argument*

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You're exactly right. Social democrats dont advocate socialism and democratic socialists never achieve socialism

Correct.

If we live in a system where that exists it is simply not socialist as there is still inequity clearly.

Living beyond their means? Immigrants are given £37 a week and you're saying that's too much? You right-wingers are actually sick.

Want to explain this? All I'm getting is some vaguely nationalistic spirit which plays upon the little perfect view of britain as little white cottages in rural communities. This is not backed up with any evidence


Fought for by socialists, being taken away rapidly. Over 50,000 of these houses are being taken away a year while only 18,000 are built to replace them.


The city academies are being funded by private enterprises! wtf are you on about?

Not entirely, no, public funding is still necessary. Furthermore, Labour's "lets not open the door as much as demolish the entire wall" immigration policy is inherently socialist, and serves to further detract from a Britich culture that has seen so much lost under labour governments. I can assure that degenerate households are relocated to less deficient communities to alter crime and finiancial dependancy figures, a policy wherin countless individuals suffer to furtehr the ends of a minority of generally ethnic households to whom the capacity to abide by laws or converse in English is a mystery.

Finally, one's basic welfare payments may well be £37 per week, however, most such recipients contrive, through having a dozen children or so, cliaming disability and a variety of other complaints, to augment such figures consdierably.

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Not entirely, no, public funding is still necessary. Furthermore, Labour's "lets not open the door as much as demolish the entire wall" immigration policy is inherently socialist, and serves to further detract from a Britich culture that has seen so much lost under labour governments. I can assure that degenerate households are relocated to less deficient communities to alter crime and finiancial dependancy figures, a policy wherin countless individuals suffer to furtehr the ends of a minority of generally ethnic households to whom the capacity to abide by laws or converse in English is a mystery.
Ever heard of section 9? The Labour government is still fucking over immigrants, just as the tories, lib dems, greens or UKIP would if they were in power.
What do you mean by a british culture? Binge drinking? riding penny farthings? Becoming a mod? Starting a plantation abroad? There is no British culture or British race. These are both lies come up with by racists/nationalists/whatever you want to call them to push their anti-immigration stance.
It also worries me that you are reffering to people as 'degenerates' based on the fact that they are originally from another country/race and are making sweeping stereotypes about people from other cultures.


Finally, one's basic welfare payments may well be £37 per week, however, most such recipients contrive, through having a dozen children or so, cliaming disability and a variety of other complaints, to augment such figures consdierably.
Right, so people have children to claim benefits? Oh Im sorry. I thought it was because of the constant pressure focused on children to have sex while being simultaneously kept wrapped in an air of mystery due to poor sexual education either from parents or school. my mistake, i repent- the working classes are all sluts and scumbags.

Why vote for the Conservatives, when you can vote for the NBIP instead ? We're just like the Conservatives, except we like our tea better, and say "Wot, wot" far more times per minute than even the most hardcore Conservative Member.

denizens of an inner city ghetto the majority of whom neither adhere to nor have the visage of a British citizen.

Just highlighting that so everyone knows what this guy's perspective is... You have to look British to be British? What kind of reasoning is that?

Just highlighting that so everyone knows what this guy's perspective is... You have to look British to be British? What kind of reasoning is that?

That, my friend, is the reasoning of a Fascist.

That, my friend, is the reasoning of a Fascist.

I quite agree. That'll be enough of that, Chris.

Just highlighting that so everyone knows what this guy's perspective is... You have to look British to be British? What kind of reasoning is that?

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A true Brit, say what, innit?

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A true Brit, say what, innit?

It's an Austin Powers imitator, dude!

That, my friend, is the reasoning of a Fascist.

It's a shame there isn't a fascist party here for him, isn't it? Oh no, wait. It isn't.

It's a shame there isn't a fascist party here for him, isn't it? Oh no, wait. It isn't.

*hands you a cookie*

Nope, it sure isn't. :D

It's an Austin Powers imitator, dude!

Duh. :rolleyes:

That, my friend, is the reasoning of a Fascist.

Not overly, at its essence its inherently logical; you have to wear cardinal regalia to be a cardinal, one is obliged to wear a turban to be a Sikh male, and it is accordingly reasonable to assume that one ought to look British to be British. PLease let me clarify what were, I admit, a little provakative and profound words. I inferred that those individuals who inhabit the inner cities and lay a pretence to be entirely Jamiacan, Indian, Arabian or African, despite being in Britain and contentedly claiming British benefits capital, ought not be consdiered British. I believe that is reasonable.

Duh. :rolleyes:

Well yeah, I was just saying!

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provakative

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It's a shame there isn't a fascist party here for him, isn't it? Oh no, wait. It isn't.

*cough* NBIP

Not overly, at its essence its inherently logical; you have to wear cardinal regalia to be a cardinal, one is obliged to wear a turban to be a Sikh male, and it is accordingly reasonable to assume that one ought to look British to be British. PLease let me clarify what were, I admit, a little provakative and profound words. I inferred that those individuals who inhabit the inner cities and lay a pretence to be entirely Jamiacan, Indian, Arabian or African, despite being in Britain and contentedly claiming British benefits capital, ought not be consdiered British. I believe that is reasonable.
I believe that is reactionary to the extreme and definately racist. How are they not British? What do you have to do to look British? How do you act British? Have you even read my other post?

Not overly, at its essence its inherently logical; you have to wear cardinal regalia to be a cardinal, one is obliged to wear a turban to be a Sikh male, and it is accordingly reasonable to assume that one ought to look British to be British. PLease let me clarify what were, I admit, a little provakative and profound words. I inferred that those individuals who inhabit the inner cities and lay a pretence to be entirely Jamiacan, Indian, Arabian or African, despite being in Britain and contentedly claiming British benefits capital, ought not be consdiered British. I believe that is reasonable.

But what you're saying is contradictory, unless you're saying that no person with darkish skin living in Britain can be anything else than entirely foreign.

Is it, or is it not possible, in your view, to be Black and British? I happen to have met British people who were Black, or of Indian descent, or other, and I can damn well assure you they were as British as can be.

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Oh, how thoroughly predictable. I'll have you know that I abhor Chris's views and do not wish to have him associated with the NBIP at all. The NBIP is primarily a humorous party that takes a gentle, non-PC dig at society. I shall be conferring with the Party Leadership to deal with Chris within the party.

Ladies, Gentlemen. The NBIP is NOT racist, and is not a fascist party, despite what some will say.

Oh, how thoroughly predictable. I'll have you know that I abhor Chris's views and do not wish to have him associated with the NBIP at all. The NBIP is primarily a humorous party that takes a gentle, non-PC dig at society. I shall be conferring with the Party Leadership to deal with Chris within the party.

Ladies, Gentlemen. The NBIP is NOT racist, and is not a fascist party, despite what some will say.

Nope, just not very funny either :D

Oh, how thoroughly predictable. I'll have you know that I abhor Chris's views and do not wish to have him associated with the NBIP at all. The NBIP is primarily a humorous party that takes a gentle, non-PC dig at society. I shall be conferring with the Party Leadership to deal with Chris within the party.

Ladies, Gentlemen. The NBIP is NOT racist, and is not a fascist party, despite what some will say.

*already knew this*

Really, who'd take a party like that truly seriously? I knew it was humorous from the get-go. We need more silly parties, really.

Oh, how thoroughly predictable. I'll have you know that I abhor Chris's views and do not wish to have him associated with the NBIP at all. The NBIP is primarily a humorous party that takes a gentle, non-PC dig at society. I shall be conferring with the Party Leadership to deal with Chris within the party.

Ladies, Gentlemen. The NBIP is NOT racist, and is not a fascist party, despite what some will say.

I had the image of you talking in a stiff upper lip "Prince Charles" accent all through reading that, and then of you taking a sip from a cup of tea after finishing.

:p

*already knew this*

Really, who'd take a party like that truly seriously? I knew it was humorous from the get-go. We need more silly parties, really.

Thank-you Potaria. At least some people understand. Here, have a 'I love pompus, long-winded politicians' badge.

I had the image of you talking in a stiff upper lip "Prince Charles" accent all through reading that, and then of you taking a sip from a cup of tea after finishing.

:p

Haha, that does go with his post!

*Gives a royal wave to his "Subjects"*

Nope, just not very funny either :D

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I believe that is reactionary to the extreme and definately racist. How are they not British? What do you have to do to look British? How do you act British? Have you even read my other post?

Perhaps not acting in the fashion of one living in Nairobi, Kingstown or Calcutta, that's hardly racist, demanding one to be capable of conversing in English and living concurrent to and in a harmonious manner with general Britains.

Just a quick question, and I would like to assure you all I'm not fascist in the slightest, it was simply raised in a political debate and I found it compelling:

Do you find communism and socialism acceptable, granted that the principal communist nation of the past, the USSR, saw the systematic slaughter of upwards of 50 million "opponents of the regime", a politically oppressive and economially cataclysmic regime, and the tenure and acceptance of the most deplorable and murderous ruler of the human epoch, Josef Stalin, who saw 90% of Russian 17-21 year olds perish without any qualms? And yet oppose fascism as an incarnation of Satan?

But what you're saying is contradictory, unless you're saying that no person with darkish skin living in Britain can be anything else than entirely foreign.

Is it, or is it not possible, in your view, to be Black and British? I happen to have met British people who were Black, or of Indian descent, or other, and I can damn well assure you they were as British as can be.

I have numerous asian and black friends, I simply oppose individuals such as Omar Bakri, who remain in Britain yet propose to destroy British culture and rights. Surely in the PC state I can do that?

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Perhaps not acting in the fashion of one living in Nairobi, Kingstown or Calcutta, that's hardly racist, demanding one to be capable of conversing in English and living concurrent to and in a harmonious manner with general Britains.
Funny, I call that 'narrow minded bigotry'. General Britains? Everybody in Britain is different! There is no homogenous culture, despite what the BNP may claim!


Just a quick question, and I would like to assure you all I'm not fascist in the slightest, it was simply raised in a political debate and I found it compelling:

Do you find communism and socialism acceptable, granted that the principal communist nation of the past, the USSR, saw the systematic slaughter of upwards of 50 million "opponents of the regime", a politically oppressive and economially cataclysmic regime, and the tenure and acceptance of the most deplorable and murderous ruler of the human epoch, Josef Stalin, who saw 90% of Russian 17-21 year olds perish without any qualms? And yet oppose fascism as an incarnation of Satan?

Of course, the most basic argument ever "Communisms killed more than fascism". Without wanting to sound like a dick, yes I prefer the USSR over Nazi Germany, though Im not sure to what extend I would defend it. To be an ubertrot I would defend it against attacks as a second revolution could save it. On the other hand, would I want to protect an oppressive, anti-semitic, perhaps imperialist, joke of a workers state? I dont know.
But I digress. The nature of the crimes committed by fascists are incredibly evil as opposed to the stalinists who have generally done the same old intimidation tactics, but had a much larger population to subjugate. Also, I do believe that post- revolution there will of course be some necessary death. Im not saying I like death, but if you want to fight against the workers' state then you should expect to fight to the bitter end.

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Funny, I call that 'narrow minded bigotry'. General Britains? Everybody in Britain is different! There is no homogenous culture, despite what the BNP may claim!



Of course, the most basic argument ever "Communisms killed more than fascism". Without wanting to sound like a dick, yes I prefer the USSR over Nazi Germany, though Im not sure to what extend I would defend it. To be an ubertrot I would defend it against attacks as a second revolution could save it. On the other hand, would I want to protect an oppressive, anti-semitic, perhaps imperialist, joke of a workers state? I dont know.
But I digress. The nature of the crimes committed by fascists are incredibly evil as opposed to the stalinists who have generally done the same old intimidation tactics, but had a much larger population to subjugate. Also, I do believe that post- revolution there will of course be some necessary death. Im not saying I like death, but if you want to fight against the workers' state then you should expect to fight to the bitter end.


We are communist aren't we....

Evidently Hitler was evil (I happen to think he was, as was Stalin) for imprisoning, oppressing and ordaining the deaths of those who opposed his regime or leadership, or who adhered to an ethnic or social category he deplored. However, Stalin, in his infinite wisdom, was utterly justified in ordaining the systematic genocide of any who he, in a state of utter paranoia, percieved as opponents and degenerates, who dared to acquire and retain a degree of affluence, or who hailed from a race he found disagreeable. My word, I was aware that marxism was an inherently contradictory political theory, and one ought to use the word tentatively for such a risable concept, however I was not aware that all Marx's adherents were hypocritical and utterly bereft of intellectual capacity.

Evidently Hitler was evil (I happen to think he was, as was Stalin) for imprisoning, oppressing and ordaining the deaths of those who opposed his regime or leadership, or who adhered to an ethnic or social category he deplored.
It doesnt seem much better to me than kicking out immigrants who dont seem 'british' enough back to regimes where they will be killed


However, Stalin, in his infinite wisdom, was utterly justified in ordaining the systematic genocide of any who he, in a state of utter paranoia, percieved as opponents and degenerates, who dared to acquire and retain a degree of affluence, or who hailed from a race he found disagreeable. My word, I was aware that marxism was an inherently contradictory political theory, and one ought to use the word tentatively for such a risable concept, however I was not aware that all Marx's adherents were hypocritical and utterly bereft of intellectual capacity.
I didnt say I supported Stalin, I just said that I think his crimes are different in nature. Every dictator kills political opponents. Stalin had a lot of them as it was a huge country. Im not saying that its a good thing to kill people who disagree with you (look into democratic centralism) at all, but i think attempting to destroy an entire race is much more evil. Also the figure of 50 million seems ridiculous if you ask me, may i ask if you got that figure from the little black book?

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It doesnt seem much better to me than kicking out immigrants who dont seem 'british' enough back to regimes where they will be killed


I didnt say I supported Stalin, I just said that I think his crimes are different in nature. Every dictator kills political opponents. Stalin had a lot of them as it was a huge country. Im not saying that its a good thing to kill people who disagree with you (look into democratic centralism) at all, but i think attempting to destroy an entire race is much more evil. Also the figure of 50 million seems ridiculous if you ask me, may i ask if you got that figure from the little black book?

And it is, since they oughn't to be here anyway in the majority of cases.

Not in the slightest, since Russia incurred 20 million fatalities in the "Great Patriotic War", and Stalin slaughtered upwards of 20 million percieved opponents and rivals in peace time and the internecen periods between the wars. However, the majority of such political opponents, rivals and potential insurgents were merely law abiding individuals informed upon by acquantainces, and one may accordingly conclude that Stalin's purges were facilitated by his intrinsic paranoia and insecurity, an equally deplorable premise for execution as racism

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How dare you, sah! There most certainly is a British culture!
And it is my aim to defend it to the death! Long live the Queen! Rule Britannia! You shall bow to our might yet, you bloody foreigner!

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By the way Skinny, old boy. I don't think i've been recieiving my tea rations as promised in the jolly manifesto. Might you and the party leadership do something to remedy this most tragic loss? I shan't want to miss my tea again, wot!?

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How dare you, sah! There most certainly is a British culture!
And it is my aim to defend it to the death! Long live the Queen! Rule Britannia! You shall bow to our might yet, you bloody foreigner!

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By the way Skinny, old boy. I don't think i've been recieiving my tea rations as promised in the jolly manifesto. Might you and the party leadership do something to remedy this most tragic loss? I shan't want to miss my tea again, wot!?

Do you want tea or cookies, cus the NS Conservative Party offer cookies

Psst... It's spelt "pompous".

By the way, you're currently an MP for the COTP, aren't you? What's an MP for a social-democratic party doing backing the NBIP? ;)

Why thanks, I'll change it. True, technically I am an MP for TInk, but that party is dead, so I changed to the NBIP.

And UC - Your Tea Rations will arrive by the next Clipper. Can't have true members going without their tea, after all...

...Vote NBIP!

Dhomme, Chris: stfu. This thread is about political bitching, it's about a lighthearted election with fictional parties. Get over it.

And it is, since they oughn't to be here anyway in the majority of cases.
Why not?


Not in the slightest, since Russia incurred 20 million fatalities in the "Great Patriotic War"
Stalin's fault in what way?

Stalin slaughtered upwards of 20 million percieved opponents and rivals in peace time and the internecen periods between the wars. However, the majority of such political opponents, rivals and potential insurgents were merely law abiding individuals informed upon by acquantainces, and one may accordingly conclude that Stalin's purges were facilitated by his intrinsic paranoia and insecurity, an equally deplorable premise for execution as racism
I never denied that Stalins purges were fuelled by paranoia and what he felt was the need for political repression. However I am pointing out that that happens under damn near every regime- it is evil but we still expect it from tyrants. Hitler's crimes are something quite different- he tried to eliminate an entire race. While we must fight against all tyrants, Nazis/Fascists are worse than most because of the nature of the crimes they commit and so must be crushed immediately

Dhomme, Chris: stfu. This thread is about political bitching, it's about a lighthearted election with fictional parties. Get over it.

Kriegorgrad. Dont care.

Why not?


Stalin's fault in what way?


I never denied that Stalins purges were fuelled by paranoia and what he felt was the need for political repression. However I am pointing out that that happens under damn near every regime- it is evil but we still expect it from tyrants. Hitler's crimes are something quite different- he tried to eliminate an entire race. While we must fight against all tyrants, Nazis/Fascists are worse than most because of the nature of the crimes they commit and so must be crushed immediately

Because I said so a silly...

Maybe all the commies are right. We DO need a revolution!

And none of these political parties are up to the task!

I oughtta start my own party, the Armed, Violent, Senseless Destruction and Death Party! Who's with me? Let's take over the NS General Parliament and put a moritorium on political bickering, punishable by NS General execution!

:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Stalin's fault in what way?

You're kidding, right?

NS Conservative Party

Change will occur and we will be its proponent!

I herebey abstain from voting, due to the fact that I can't find a party that will legalize marijuana, that isn't socialist! WHERE ARE THE CONSERVATIVE POTHEADS?

Do you want tea or cookies, cus the NS Conservative Party offer cookies

Yes, free cookies as long as you're not poor! ;)

I herebey abstain from voting, due to the fact that I can't find a party that will legalize marijuana, that isn't socialist! WHERE ARE THE CONSERVATIVE POTHEADS?
The Reason party isn’t socialist and it will legalize all drugs.

Yes, free cookies as long as you're not poor! ;)

Free cookies to anyone that votes for us!!! poor or not

Vote for a new political party in ther next election

SDRP

Social Democratic Republican Party - The Real Alternative

For All our Futures
Vote SDRP

The Reason party isn’t socialist and it will legalize all drugs.
I will only vote for the Reason party if I can use the mini bar! Those are my terms! (I'll even bring my own limes. :) )

I will only vote for the Reason party if I can use the mini bar! Those are my terms! (I'll even bring my own limes. :) )
Vote for the ESP instead. Then you can be a mini-bar if you want to!

I will only vote for the Reason party if I can use the mini bar! Those are my terms! (I'll even bring my own limes. :) )
Under the Reason party, you could purchase a full bar and own and operate it. No liquor license required. And at your bar we could all toast Melkor on the hour, but not because we have to, because we want to. Hell, you could call him a puss face if you wanted to.

Under the Reason party, you could purchase a full bar and own and operate it. No liquor license required. And at your bar we could all toast Melkor on the hour, but not because we have to, because we want to.
At the ESP, you could also toast a Melkor - our latest in a long, long line of stylishly cheap paninis!

ESP - WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND IT INVOLVES WASABI

Kriegorgrad. Dont care.

Make your own damn thread if you're going to moan about England not having any culture...

democratic socialists never achieve socialism

Yeah, so all you have to do is get rid of the people's political rights and set up your own version of how society and government should be run.

That has worked so well in the past. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pinochet, Pol Pot, I mean everytime that someone did it, it always worked out for the best, no matter what the ideology.

I never denied that Stalins purges were fuelled by paranoia and what he felt was the need for political repression. However I am pointing out that that happens under damn near every regime- it is evil but we still expect it from tyrants. Hitler's crimes are something quite different- he tried to eliminate an entire race. While we must fight against all tyrants, Nazis/Fascists are worse than most because of the nature of the crimes they commit and so must be crushed immediately
For once we agree, DHomme.

Hello all... just lets keep pushing towards that bright tangerine sunset of promise that lurks over the horizon should you vote ESP. Another electoral shove could put us ahead of the rest... so do as we tell you ... if you would be soo kind. Because in the end we're all fruit anyway!

Judging by the results of the election so far and my knowledge of the last election, I can only assume that either, because of a lack of traditional conservative parties, most conservatives voted Classic liberal or MRR last time or there are more conservative on NS now.

Damn, it's a close race! One party in the lead by one vote, and three just behind it in joint second!

Which means it's possible for the UDCP to take the lead, and hold it! If you want a society in which social rights will be upheld, in which everyone will have decent living conditions, in which you will be treated as a human being and not as a tool to be squeezed for meaningless profit... vote UDCP!. Vote for a party which has proven its reliability, and which has its priorities right!

Balderdash! Why isn't anyone voting for the NBIP?

Judging by the results of the election so far and my knowledge of the last election, I can only assume that either, because of a lack of traditional conservative parties, most conservatives voted Classic liberal or MRR last time or there are more conservative on NS now.

Perhaps many of them simply abstained last time, since there was no conservative party to vote for...

Perhaps many of them simply abstained last time, since there was no conservative party to vote for...
That is a possibility, but look at how the classic liberals are doing. I’m pretty sure they had the most votes last time or close to it, but this time they are only beating the subterranean crazies and the Trotskyism Crazies. The British Imperil Party is beating them!

That is a possibility, but look at how the classic liberals are doing. I’m pretty sure they had the most votes last time or close to it, but this time they are only beating the subterranean crazies and the Trotskyism Crazies. The British Imperil Party is beating them!

True, it's weird. Still, it's difficult to imagine conservatives made up such a significant bulk of their support last time...

Trust and fairness:

Democratic Socialist

Perhaps many of them simply abstained last time, since there was no conservative party to vote for...

No .... it was a global conspiracy in which we and the freemasons pallied up as we have been doing for the past 500 years.

Capitalism is not in its purest form because that is an actual impossibility, do you honestly think we can have a system which encourages greed and individualism which is not rife with corruption? And the problems to which you refer are more often caused by low wages and massive interest rates rather than your accusations of a lef-twing bureaucracy.
Low wages in third world countries are caused by the fact that third world labour is completely untrained and uneducated and is worth practically nothing. The solution to this? Education. The wrong way to deal with this? Having everyone go on strike. It's been tried before, and the companies take their investment elsewhere leaving the people of those third world countries with no jobs and their governments with no money to spend on education.

Examples where this is effective and leads to a high-quality of health insurance, please?
None, since such a system has never been implemented. Examples of communism working? None, since such a system has never been implemented. However, is my system more practical? Yes. Is my system more efficient? Yes.

Im sorry, did you just call britain socialist? harharhar. my sides are splitting.
1970s Britain. And if you read Marx, Britain is pretty damn socialist, although not in an overly bad way.

The miners' strikes were necessary for the workers to hold onto their jobs. It seems that all this talk of the 'backwardness of the industry' and so on was just a ploy for the bosses to move onto new industries where they felt they could create larger profits for themselves leaving the workers in the dust.
It's easier and cheaper to extract higher quality coal from larger seams in Australia and Canada. There was never any long term future in coal mining. What the striking miners and the socialists wanted to do was have the rest of the country pay, through taxation, to prop up the mining industry which would go out of business eventually anyway, but in the meantime would cost the rest of the country. This is not only unfair, but also damaging. And "bosses moving onto other industries"? wtf? Pit owners didnt "move on" and start "better" businesses. Do you actually know what you're talking about?

Except when it comes to the workplace.
If employees dont like conditions, they can vote with their feet and go elsewhere. Or, if they have a business plan, they can go to a bank for investment and set up their own business.

Maybe we should have kept them nationalised then.
British Leyland wasnt scrapped, it collapsed because it lost monumental amounts of money with businesses that prior to nationalisation were making money.

Perhaps we could have kept the 'phoenix four' from purchasing the company for a tenner before taking 40 million away from the company for themselves.
If you actually care to read the history (or anything on economics, for that matter) then you would know that by the "Phoenix Four" stage the business was long gone. As I said, it had no capital to invest in new models and the existing models were becoming increasingly dated. The only way to have kept it going at all would have been to scrap the two lower priced Rovers and cut large numbers of jobs and manufacturing capabiltiy and make it a mid-sized manufacturer, and even that may not have worked. The only chance Rover had at keeping going was if it were sold to Honda instead of BWM, but again - it would be a subsidurary of a foreign company, not a British business.

Hardly seems like the nationalisation was what bled it dry
As I have explained, nationalisation removed its ability to make new models, and as this whole sorry saga has shown, you cant keep a car manufacturer going on the same models for two decades or more. British Leyland destroyed the cumulative effort of 150 years of the British manufacturing sector - and look at all the Leyland companies now: foreign owned or out of business.

True, it's weird. Still, it's difficult to imagine conservatives made up such a significant bulk of their support last time...
It doesn’t surprise me a bit that, lacking social conservatism, they might vote for the party that they at least approve of economically.

Free cookies to anyone that votes for us!!! poor or not

Yeah right, so the Germans would have you believe. (note to my German friends, take no offense, it's just a figure of speech.:) )

What do you imaginge when you here the word conservative?
Self-obsessed pompous upper class rich idiots who love their back pockets more than their wife?
Christian Fundamentalists who blow up abortion clinics?

I don't, I see ordinary human beings, who lead ordinary lives, but yearn for freedom, I see decent honest, hard working families, struggling to get by because of the tax they have to pay on their wages, because of people that can't be bothered to work, politicians who buy houses in Barbados and fancy cars with tax-payers money. I see real people who are hard done by, I see people that yearn for change. I see conservatives under a socialist governement.

So a vote for the NS Conservative Party is a vote for freedom from oppresion, a vote for truth, a vote for less government waste, a vote for them. So do them and yourself a favour, and vote for us, plus you'll also recieve a free cookie!

So vote today, for a better tomorrow.

Change will occur and we will be its proponent!

Vote NO to NS Conservative Party!

If you're a conservative, at least vote for a party that makes sense.. vote Reason Party!

Vote NO to NS Conservative Party!

If you're a conservative, at least vote for a party that makes sense.. vote Reason Party!

We do make sense, now you're just reaching desparation and resorting to empty statements.

Looks like it's going to be a DSP/Conservative minority government.

VOTE FOR DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST PARTY!!!

We do make sense, now you're just reaching desparation and resorting to empty statements.

Nope, it's not that, your platform is unreasonable with little freedoms given to people. They'd be foolish to vote for you.

Looks like it's going to be a DSP/Conservative minority government.

VOTE FOR DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST PARTY!!!

No! Vote for NS Conservative Party

Change will occur and we will be its proponent

Nope, it's not that, your platform is unreasonable with little freedoms given to people. They'd be foolish to vote for you.

We give lots of freedom to people, We just don't give them the freedom to run around killing babies becuase it suits the mother.

Nope, it's not that, your platform is unreasonable with little freedoms given to people. They'd be foolish to vote for you.
You fail to notice that many voting conservative would not have their freedoms restricted, and they don’t care about those that would, bastards.
Just curios, who did you vote for?

Looks like it's going to be a DSP/Conservative minority government.

VOTE FOR DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST PARTY!!!

DSP/Conservative? I doubt it. It would be extremely contradictory.

Hmm... So far, DSP+UDCP+RTP = 33.19%. That's not much. The three "joke" parties are messing up the whole thing. The combined parties of the economic right (Reason+NSCP+NSCL) have got 37.45%. Neither side is close to having a majority.

I shudder to imagine what votes in Parliament are going to be like...

There's no reason not to vote for the Reason Party.


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I feel this will only provide any sort of actual benefit if there is a united/parliamentary system. So far the right-leaning parties have just under a majority. The socialist left is 2nd while independents have the keys to the kingdom.

These alliances have not been formed nor are guarenteed, but frankly the commonalities amongst the right and amongst the left (and the radical differences compared to the right for the left, left for right etc.) make them relatively clear.

I am going to suggest that La Alianza de Libertad (my unauthorized naming of right party) makes their official animal a rodent...

Right:
Reason Party, NS Classic Liberals, NS Conservative Party, New British Imperialist Party
27+32+33+23= 115 Votes

Left:
Revolutionary Trotskyist Party, United Democratic Communist Party, Democratic Socialist Party
33+13+32= 78 Votes

Independents:
Emphatically Silly Party 33 Votes
Mole and Other Burrowing Rodents Alliance 9 Votes

TOTAL VOTES 235 Votes
Majority: 118 Votes
VOTING ONGOING...

I feel this will only provide any sort of actual benefit if there is a united/parliamentary system. So far the right-leaning parties have just under a majority. The socialist left is 2nd while independents have the keys to the kingdom.

These alliances have not been formed nor are guarenteed, but frankly the commonalities amongst the right and amongst the left (and the radical differences compared to the right for the left, left for right etc.) make them relatively clear.

I am going to suggest that La Alianza de Libertad (my unauthorized naming of right party) makes their official animal a rodent...

Right:
Reason Party, NS Classic Liberals, NS Conservative Party, New British Imperialist Party
27+32+33+23= 115 Votes

Left:
Revolutionary Trotskyist Party, United Democratic Communist Party, Democratic Socialist Party
33+13+32= 78 Votes

Independents:
Emphatically Silly Party 33 Votes
Mole and Other Burrowing Rodents Alliance 9 Votes

TOTAL VOTES 235 Votes
Majority: 118 Votes
VOTING ONGOING...
If anybody is voting for the British Imperialist party seriously, they need a head check. It is neither right nor left. It’s a joke party.

There's no reason not to vote for the Reason Party.


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The three "joke" parties are messing up the whole thing.
Ya, especially the "Emphatically Silly Party". :rolleyes: We should either create a "silly" parliament or make the "silly" parties illegal.

I must say this election is much more exciting than the last. This one's a lot closer, if I remember correctly.

That and well... last time I ran I wasn't in the lead after the first few hours. That kinda sucked.

Vote NBIP!

Rule Britannia!

There's no reason not to vote for the Reason Party.


Yes there is. Social responsability. Vote for a party that will strengthen society, not destroy the social bonds which should make up its very essence. Vote UDCP!


I must say this election is much more exciting than the last. This one's a lot closer, if I remember correctly.


You do. I'm surprised at how close it. The "hierarchy" was a lot more defined last time.

Why YOU should vote NBIP!

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A few random key points

1) The drinking of tea is mandatory. Any member of NationStates who does not drink at least one cup every 12 hours will get a jolly good talking to! 'Coffee' is banned.

2) Watching (and waving a Union Flag during) the Last Night of the Proms is compulsorary.

5) The manufacture of tweed jackets, bowler hats and umbrellas is to be subsidised.

6) NationStates shall invest vast sums of money into building a Royal Navy.

7) The word "Empire" must be pronounced "Emparh" with reference to the British Empire.

11) Instead of warnings, forum bans or deletions, the primary method of enforcing NS rules will be to send in a gunboat.

15) NationStates is to apply for Commonwealth membership and recognise the Queen as head of state.

Vote NBIP!

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DON'T VOTE FOR THE "SILLY" PARTIES!!!
Like the post above ^^^

It's bad for your health!

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Why do people think that huge pictures are going to make people vote a particular way? Surely - and particularly in the cases of some parties - things called 'words' should be the important thing. Having supporters spam up the election thread with these monstrosities hardly encourages me to cast my ballot in a positive way.

I withdraw my support for the ESP.
I didn't vote for them actually.
I throw my support to the Reason Party.

The Reason Party, the party of self-responsibility.
For whom I did vote.

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I withdraw my support for the ESP.
I didn't vote for them actually.
I throw my support to the Reason Party.

The Reason Party, the party of self-responsibility.
For whom I did vote.

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Well, that's a step upwards, I suppose. I prefer to debate against the Reason Party in Parliament than to be faced with ESP MPs... ;)

Why do people think that huge pictures are going to make people vote a particular way? Surely - and particularly in the cases of some parties - things called 'words' should be the important thing. Having supporters spam up the election thread with these monstrosities hardly encourages me to cast my ballot in a positive way.
You know, you could disable images in your profile preferences.

Well, that's a step upwards, I suppose. I prefer to debate against the Reason Party in Parliament than to be faced with ESP MPs... ;)
I am still holding my Principle of Nonsense, but I won't allow it to affect the Parliament. In that case, I would like to form the People for Serious Politics Alliance. I love absurdity as much as the next person, but the Parliament wasn't made for that. The PSPA will try to gain enough votes to have a serious Parliament. Anyone want to join?

My the Democratic Socialist Party just gained a lot of votes rather quickly. Is it a significant time of the day in some part of the world?

I am still holding my Principle of Nonsense, but I won't allow it to affect the Parliament. In that case, I would like to form the Parties for Serious Politics Alliance. I love absurdity as much as the next person, but the Parliament wasn't made for that. The PSPA will try to gain enough votes to have a serious Parliament. Anyone want to join?

How would it work?

(I'm going to bed now, but I'll check back on this thread tomorrow.)

How would it work?

(I'm going to bed now, but I'll check back on this thread tomorrow.)
You encourage other voters to vote for a serious party. Put out ads that explain sillyness is alright, but this parliament is meant for serious debate.

listen you want a serious party that stands by it word and its the rel alternative and that will make the right choices the pick my party

SDRP-The Socail Democratic Republican party

We are the real alternative

For all our futures
V0te SDRP

NK: the PSPA sounds like an excellent idea. I fully applaud its intent. (Even though I did earlier try to justify the existence of the ESP, and was duly squished by Melkor.)

NK: the PSPA sounds like an excellent idea. I fully applaud its intent. (Even though I did earlier try to justify the existence of the ESP, and was duly squished by Melkor.)
Reason will always prevail.

NK: the PSPA sounds like an excellent idea. I fully applaud its intent. (Even though I did earlier try to justify the existence of the ESP, and was duly squished by Melkor.)
If the ESP were satirical,that would be something different. (I believe you pointed this out earlier.) Would you like to help the PSPA?

What good is a parliament when no one takes it seriously?

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You encourage other voters to vote for a serious party. Put out ads that explain sillyness is alright, but this parliament is meant for serious debate.I agree, but my question is: If this parliament is for serious debates, why the hell we let the "silly" parties run for the election?

If the ESP were satirical,that would be something different. (I believe you pointed this out earlier.) Would you like to help the PSPA?

Yes, I'll help the PSPA. I do so though in no way representing any of the serious or otherwise-inclined parties.

Yes, I'll help the PSPA. I do so though in no way representing any of the serious or otherwise-inclined parties.
That's completely understandable. I'm going to change it to People instead of Parties.

United Democratic Communist Party 33 13.15%
Revolutionary Trotskyist Party 13 5.18%
Democratic Socialist Party 37 14.74%
TOTAL: 83 Votes

NS Classic Liberals 24 9.56%
NS Conservative Party 36 14.34%
Reason Party 35 13.94%
TOTAL: 95 Votes
(w/ New British Imperialist Party (29 votes, 11.55%) 124 Votes

Independents:
Emphatically Silly Party 35 13.94%
Mole and Other Burrowing Rodents Alliance 9 3.59%

TOTAL VOTES: 251
Majority Needed: 126

Report (GIRRNS):
--While the UDCP and DSP remain strong, the Trotskyites remain stagnant. The left has 33% of total vote with no clear sign of allying with either NBIP, ESP, or MOBRA.

--While the NSCL seem to be going nowhere, the NSCP and RP are still very strong. The right has 38% without the NBIP (and a near majority 49% with them).

The Emphatic Silly Party is still amongst the top ranking parties. It will need to end strong if it wishes to really make a move in allying with either group (concession included) or forming a seperate silly coalition. The MOBRA are too small to make a difference as of now, but a close ending will prove the MOBRA a key figure.

VOTING ONGOING
NO ALLIANCES FINALIZED

George Allen,
GIRRNS Internation Press (GIPr)

I think the New British Imperialist party belongs to the "silly" party group. Read their manifesto, it's completely silly.

To add my two cents, the most likely coalition on the economic "right" would be between the NSCL, which held the second largest number of votes in the last election (the UDCP holding the most), and he Reason Party. The NSCP has two many differences in social policy with the Reason Party and there has been friction between the two. The RTP will have to join a coalition if it wants a voice, but the problem is that with whom do they ally? The larger socialist parties could merely form a coalition with each other. The RTP is in a tight spot.

To add my two cents, the most likely coalition on the economic "right" would be between the NSCL, which held the second largest number of votes in the last election (the UDCP holding the most), and he Reason Party. The NSCP has two many differences in social policy with the Reason Party and there has been friction between the two. The RTP will have to join a coalition if it wants a voice, but the problem is that with whom do they ally? The larger socialist parties could merely form a coalition with each other. The RTP is in a tight spot.

DON'T VOTE FOR THE "SILLY" PARTIES!!!

Voting for the "silly" parties result in weaker minority goverments!


edit: forum server is being bitchy again!

I really can't see Melkor forming a coalition with anyone. It's sort of against his principles, isn't it? (If he wins three seats, I believe the third is going to be used for a minibar...)

I really can't see Melkor forming a coalition with anyone. It's sort of against his principles, isn't it? (If he wins three seats, I believe the third is going to be used for a minibar...)
That's true, but then again this is the most likely coalitions, speaking ideologically.

Hmm...well, we'd have to see. I think the socialists would be the most likely to form a working coalition.

...I just want to say making fun of parties is great if you want to be in a majority.

Hmm...well, we'd have to see. I think the socialists would be the most likely to form a working coalition.
Yes, we would.

Originally Posted by Gruenberg
Hmm...well, we'd have to see. I think the socialists would be the most likely to form a working coalition.
Yes, we would.


Well that is quite good to know, Argesia. after all, willingness to compromise is, in effect, the willingness to give up on your convictions. ;)

Vote NC Conservative Party

What good is a parliament when no one takes it seriously?

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double edit: nevermind i've cought up

VOTE UDCP

What good is a parliament if no one takes it seriously?
Vote sensibly in October '05

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What good is a parliament if no one takes it seriously?
Vote sensibly in October '05

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That's a good banner. Can I put it in my sig?

That's a good banner. Can I put it in my sig?
Sure.

We are running a fake election on an internet forum that will lead to nothing, and everyone is trying to get rid of the "silly parties". Does it hurt your feelings that not everyone is taking this seriously?

We are running a fake election on an internet forum that will lead to nothing, and everyone is trying to get rid of the "silly parties". Does it hurt your feelings that not everyone is taking this seriously?

Nah, my friend... no biggie! Is there anything on the net that is REALLY real?. In life you must "Stand for something, or you stand for nothing!"

Vote NS Conservative Party!

We are running a fake election on an internet forum that will lead to nothing, and everyone is trying to get rid of the "silly parties". Does it hurt your feelings that not everyone is taking this seriously?
I'm a political whore, so I go with the current trend...like a REAL politician. :D

Vote for the Party of Jesus, coming in 2012

Well that is quite good to know, Argesia. after all, willingness to compromise is, in effect, the willingness to give up on your convictions. ;)
Get back to me when you conservatives have decided just what it is you're "conservating". Seriously, I would have trouble making a point in favour of "traditional values", since they obviously vary so much from tradition to tradition, from individual to individual - and yes, from time to time (where would you say the golden age was?).
But I guess you too decided to compromise. ;)

Vote Democratic Socialists! We're cool, and stuff.

Vote Democratic Socialists! We're cool, and stuff.
Right on.

A State without the means of some change is without the means of its conservation.
-largely considered founder of Modern Conservatism, Edmund Burke

GIRRS NEWS REPORT

VOTES: 289
MAJORITY 145 Votes

DSP (41) 14%
UDCP (34) 12%
RTP (20) 7%
95 Votes 31%

NSCL (28) 10%
NSCP (43) 15%
RP (45) 16%
116 Votes 40%
w/
NBIP (29) 10%
145 Votes 50%

INDEPENDENTS:
ESP (40) 14%
MOBRA (9) 3%

% not necessarily equal to 100

The formation of alliance appears shakey as a larger right-leaning alliance. Nonetheless, (brought on by improvements in RP and NSCP numbers to the 1st and 2nd most popular party respectively) potentially (w/ NBIP) the right has a majority by a vote (approx 50.1%).

The UDCP and DSP appear willing to form an alliance that being possibly the first one to offically be made. The RP and NSCL are also a like pair to form. The more radical Trotsky party and the currently reactionary NSCP seem unwilling to appear to lose their firm grasp of each extreme. The NSCP having the better luck from it...

The voting appears to be taking a lean to the right in this and and the former update. Thus the ESP will be a key player in any chance of the socialist left taking a majority or substantial minority.

FEATURE OPTION:
The ESP could in all likely hood decide to ally with NBIP and MOBRA to form a key minority. This would like make it near impossible for a majority to form. Causing this silly coalition to have incredible influence in making decisions.

VOTING ONGOING...

George Allen,
GIRRNS International Press (GIPr)

Democratic Socialism - It's reasonable

Vote DSP!

I'm a bit bewildered by the Conservative turnout. It's.. surprising, to say the least. I may be looking in the wrong places, but I haven't run in to many of those folks around here.

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The New British Imperialist Party

Do you hate political infighting?

Tired of the Socialists blaming everything on everyone?

Just want a party that does what it says and doesn't play blame games?

Do you like to moan about the weather, sip tea and feel aloof to everyone?


Then the NBIP is for you. We just want a good, decent election, without the usual backstabbing and squabbling. That, and a good cup of tea.


Vote NBIP!

DON'T VOTE FOR THE "SILLY" PARTIES!!!

Voting for the "silly" parties such as "The New British Imperialist Party" result in weaker minority goverments!

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interesting that while the americans were on last night we dropped from almost 15% to below 12% :rolleyes:

Woo! UDCP posters!

And we're still dropping... The Reason Party used to be behind us. Now they're a full 4% ahead of us.

Left-wing voters? Not sure whom to vote for? Look at the parties' records in Parliament!

While in Parliament, the UDCP has put forth more proposals than either the DSP or the RTP. More than both of them combined, in fact, since the RTP put forth none. In other words, the UDCP was the left-wing party most committed to abiding by its manifesto, and translating the content of its manifesto into law. The UDCP is the left-wing party most suited to defending and advocating your ideals and beliefs in Parliament.

Furthermore, UDCP Members of Parliament have the best record, of all three left-wing parties, for attendance of Parliamentary sessions and actually voting on proposals. A vote for the UDCP is a vote for a party which will be committed to expressing, defending and furthering your beliefs in Parliament. Add to that the fact that all UDCP members have a say in what vote their MPs will cast in Parliament, making the UDCP a uniquely democratic political party.

A vote for the UDCP is the most efficient vote on the left.

Vote for democracy! Vote for social rights, and social responsability! Vote for a genuinely left-wing party!
Vote UDCP!

vote dsp! I did.

after all, how could a party i founded be anything but great?
even if i haven't done anything for them since

after all, how could a party i founded be anything but great?
You're baaaack, legendary leader of the elder days!

vote dsp! I did.

after all, how could a party i founded be anything but great?
even if i haven't done anything for them since
where have you been man?
... i haven't seen you round here in ages

VOTE UDCP

where have you been man?
... i haven't seen you round here in ages

VOTE UDCP
i don't go on the internet at home, ever. but now that i'm back in college, i'll be here four days a week. im glad to see i wasn't forgotten. :)

vote dsp

My guess is, given the composition of the current parliament, this body will be very liberal on social issues due to the near supermajority held by libertarian/Objectivist and socialist/communist parties, and tend right on economic ones (although we'll be fighting it, of course - and even if I wasn't on this side of the issue, the vote makeup does indicate it will be much closer than the social ones).

VOTE FOR THE "SILLY" PARTIES!!!

Voting for the "silly" parties such as "The New British Imperialist Party" result in weaker sanity goverments! And that is what we want!!!

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Fixed. :p

VOTE ESP - WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TYPING, AND IT INVOLVES THE LETTER F

PSPA
Hello im the leader of a new party myself and i like you want to bring a serious alternative my party is the SDRP and i would like to form a coalition pact with your party

Think it over and get back to me

VOTE SDRP

Hmm. I voted for the Democratic Socialist Party. Manifestos not that great really. But good enough.

The New British Imperialist Party

The NBIP. A silly party for a silly election.

The NBIP. Why vote for a serious party in a silly election?

Does anyone else find it.... difficult to beleive that the NSCP has this many votes? If there are so many Conservatives on these boards, why do none of them post? Where is all this support coming from? I've met less than five Conservatives since I started posting here, yet there seems to be a large number of them. I've been wanting to butt heads with a Conservative for some time [being that I get to sink my teeth into liberals quite enough], so this irritates me on a number of levels. If there are so many of you why dont you ever post?! :headbang:

'Cause every time I/we do, we're inundated with 50 responses against what we said before we can reply, and the latter ones are all as if the argument is done. Why bother when we're not even going to be listened to?

And on a personal note, I find trying to keep track of a 25+ page, oft-irrelevant topic too difficult to validate the time it takes.

'Cause every time I/we do, we're inundated with 50 responses against what we said before we can reply, and the latter ones are all as if the argument is done. Why bother when we're not even going to be listened to?

And on a personal note, I find trying to keep track of a 25+ page, oft-irrelevant topic too difficult to validate the time it takes.
No-one listens to anyone on these forums. What makes you special?

VOTE ESP - WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SINKING, AND IT HAS USS IN THE NAME

i the next election the SDRP will be the largest party

Vote SDRP


Your better off with the social democratic republican party

Vote ESP for practical answers to next thursday's questions!

Woohoo! First to fifty, biatches!

And thats without any posters or empty rhetoric! In yo face!

Does anyone else find it.... difficult to beleive that the NSCP has this many votes? If there are so many Conservatives on these boards, why do none of them post? Where is all this support coming from? I've met less than five Conservatives since I started posting here, yet there seems to be a large number of them. I've been wanting to butt heads with a Conservative for some time [being that I get to sink my teeth into liberals quite enough], so this irritates me on a number of levels. If there are so many of you why dont you ever post?! :headbang:
Perhaps a lot of people to not actually vote for what they believe in in RL? Although, it is quite surprising. It is the Conservatives after all. In short, I don't know why they don't post. Good point lol.

Perhaps a lot of people to not actually vote for what they believe in in RL? Although, it is quite surprising. It is the Conservatives after all. In short, I don't know why they don't post. Good point lol.

Its because they fear the calculated wrath of their left-wing counterparts!

Woohoo! First to fifty, biatches!

And thats without any posters or empty rhetoric! In yo face!
mnyeah mnyeah mnyeah *sticks out tongue*

but wtf :eek: we've fallen almost half a percent between me thinking about replying in a suitably juvenile way, and actually doing it... where's all our support going? :(

to the damn conservatives, crawling out of the woodwork, or with someone's army of puppets voting, thats where :mad:


actually, aridd, you never made it clear that voting with puppets is unacceptable (might want to edit the OP)

Vote NBIP guys, you know you want to!

I'm not 100% conservative, but I'm close enough. I try to post fairly often, but soemtimes I like to play devils advocate, so it may seem Im liberal. And sometimes, my views actually ARE liberal. I think the thing is that conservatives aren't as easily defined as you may think. Were not all anti abortion, bible thumping, pro-censorship whackjobs.

mnyeah mnyeah mnyeah *sticks out tongue*

but wtf :eek: we've fallen almost half a percent between me thinking about replying in a suitably juvenile way, and actually doing it... where's all our support going? :(

to the damn conservatives, crawling out of the woodwork, or with someone's army of puppets voting, thats where :mad:


actually, aridd, you never made it clear that voting with puppets is unacceptable (might want to edit the OP)
Thats hilarious. Libs even call cheater in fake elections! LOL

The New British Imperialist Party

The NBIP. A silly party for a silly election.

The NBIP. Why vote for a serious party in a silly election?

*Scowls* I do believe you are in violation of clause 49 of the Emphatically Silly Party handbook. "If some other bastard from a joke Imperialist party aiming to restore the British Empire describes his cause as ""silly"" repeatedly thrash him on the earlobe with a wooden broom and banish him to Yorkshire."
I didn't want to have to do this but rules are rules...
*performs actions*

Vote NBIP guys, you know you want to!
No... what we really want to do is award these novelty sunglasse for your originality... *gives them*

*Scowls* I do believe you are in violation of clause 49 of the Emphatically Silly Party handbook. "If some other bastard from a joke Imperialist party aiming to restore the British Empire describes his cause as ""silly"" repeatedly thrash him on the earlobe with a wooden broom and banish him to Yorkshire."
I didn't want to have to do this but rules are rules...
*performs actions*
Hell we don't want him here *Throws Skinny of Yorkshire* and stay out of Gods own County

Thinking. It's a good thing to do.
Vote Reason Party!

Hell we don't want him here *Throws Skinny of Yorkshire* and stay out of Gods own County

What... God's there too... ok skinny we wouldn't wish that even on you... all those puddings... and brass bands...

Tired Of Politicians In Suits? At The ESP, We Believe In Spandex Nightgowns.

VOTE ESP - WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE WEARING, AND IT INVOLVES BUTTER

Need to hide your political beliefs behind a thin veneer of forced whimsical comedy?

Vote ESP!

Thinking. It's against your human rights!
Vote ESP!

Need to hide your political beliefs behind a large tub of squeezy cheese??

Vote ESP!
Fixed.

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The New British Imperialist Party

Do you hate political infighting?

Tired of the other parties being so stressful?

Just want a party that does what it says and doesn't play blame games?

Do you like to moan about the weather, sip tea and feel aloof to everyone?


Then the NBIP is for you. We just want a good, decent election, without the usual backstabbing and squabbling. That, and a good cup of tea.


Vote NBIP!

Thats hilarious. Libs even call cheater in fake elections! LOL
:D
*coughcough i'm a communist not any old liberal cough*

the Esp - We Know Your Secrets...and They Involve Leather, Cream, And A Mile Of Cassette Tape!

VOTE ESP - THE COLOURS, MAN, THE COLOURS... (http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2500/esp4xd.png)

Are you a socialist?

Then why not vote for the RTP?
Unlike the DSP, we actually say that we should get rid of capitalism!
Unlike the UDCP, we understand that the system cannot be reformed, but must be smashed!

CHOOSE THE RTP, THE PARTY OF TRUE ANTI-CAPITALISTS!!!

:D
*coughcough i'm a communist not any old liberal cough*

ooooh I hope that cough Isn't going round....

The Centrist Party has dissolved. I am sad. I'll probably have to decide between RP, DSP, ESP, and NSCL. But RP and ESP probably have the best chances for a vote.

Need to put your dull repeated messages in big black letters because no one's listening?
Vote for the Reason party

Enough said....

ooooh I hope that cough Isn't going round....
Yeah, like that last cough that went around beating up kids and nicking pensions. In fact, a new part to the manifesto! All coughs should be banned - not coughing itself, but the cause that is the cough. Therefore, the ESP is working towards a cure for the common cold. Using geese.

ooooh I hope that cough Isn't going round....
:eek: the commie cough! :eek:

:eek: the commie cough! :eek:

Oh God! They've got new weapons!

Yeah, like that last cough that went around beating up kids and nicking pensions. In fact, a new part to the manifesto! All coughs should be banned - not coughing itself, but the cause that is the cough. Therefore, the ESP is working towards a cure for the common cold. Using geese.
Pfft, geese won't work! Try pansies. They'll cure everything, even AIDS. I'm amazed no one's tried it yet.

*coughcough*


*infects everyone*


mwuhahahahaaha!

VOTE ESP! Because we DO have weapons of mass destruction aimed at your major cities!

*This was not in any way intended as a threat. The ESP means you no harm.

*coughcough*


*infects everyone*


mwuhahahahaaha!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........ *clubbed to death with sickle*

:eek: the commie cough! :eek:
The original communist cough, in full monochrome! (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5461/comcough7ja.png)

By not voting ESP, you condemn yourself to an eternity of cabbage and chow mein

You have been warned!

The NS Conservative Party

What we can do for you:

- Lower taxes
- More freedom
- Free market
- Better education
- Better health care
- Fairer courts and tougher sentences for those whon need them
- And a free cookie!

*coughcough*


*infects everyone*


mwuhahahahaaha!

Haha, I can top that!

*farts*

*the noxious cloud of liberation drifts away...*

Don't make me do it again people! Vote UDCP!

Haha, I can top that!

*farts*

*the noxious cloud of liberation drifts away...*

Don't make me do it again people! Vote UDCP!

Noo dont! *collapsing to die* in my final breath I must attempt to crawl away *fails*

The NS Conservative Party

What we can do for you:

- Lower taxes
- More freedom
- Free market
- Better education
- Better health care
- Fairer courts and tougher sentences for those whon need them
- And a free cookie!
You left out "Social Authoritarianism."

Are you a MOBRAlite?

Do you feel that the currnet political system is creating inequality?

Have you always wondered who could change this?

Then look no further!!! Vote MOBRA!!!!

The only party that promises Equality for all!

Noo dont! *collapsing to die* in my final breath I must attempt to crawl away *fails*

Woohoo! The ESP is down for the count!

http://img86.echo.cx/img86/3269/yawnnat23hb.jpg

Woohoo! The ESP is down for the count!
*farts at will*


you know, whenever we get together, serious political debate goes down the tubes :p

Woohoo! The ESP is down for the count!
Don't be silly, Tribes, as deputy leader, will take over...we can only get sillier! Silliness shall take over the world!

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Where would you rather be?

Vote Mobra and be saved!!!!!

*farts at will*


you know, whenever we get together, serious political debate goes down the tubes :p

Yeah...but strangely our votes seem to go up, too!

Don't be silly, Tribes, as deputy leader, will take over...we can only get sillier! Silliness shall take over the world!

OMG! A USP PARTY MEMBER TOLD ME TO NOT BE SILLY!

Do you make a habit out of lying to the people?!?!?

You left out "Social Authoritarianism."

no, thats only part of a communist or fascist regime, we promote personal freedoms in any case where it doesn't harm somebody else. thats why we are against abortion, and we don't give a hoot about gays.

no, thats only part of a communist or fascist regime,

Fascist (Including Stalin, etc.), but not communist.

we promote personal freedoms in any case where it doesn't harm somebody else. thats why we are against abortion, and we don't give a hoot about gays.

Your party name is more than a little misleading, then. Except the opinion on abortion.

OMG! A USP PARTY MEMBER TOLD ME TO NOT BE SILLY!

Do you make a habit out of lying to the people?!?!?
First, I think you mean ESP...2nd...how is it lying? There are times when silliness is not good...anywhen, you're not a member of the ESP, nor have you voted for them. Therefore, when the Revolution of Silliness (please note the capital letters) occurs, you shall be first on the orange buggy of distressed beef jerky.

Fascist (Including Stalin, etc.), but not communist.
Woah! I'm not fascist! I'm silly!

First, I think you mean ESP...2nd...how is it lying? There are times when silliness is not good...anywhen, you're not a member of the ESP, nor have you voted for them. Therefore, when the Revolution of Silliness (please note the capital letters) occurs, you shall be first on the orange buggy of distressed beef jerky.

Uh...yes, I did mean ESP. How dare you be serious by pointing that out! We could have had a field day discussing all of the things the "U" could stand for.

Umbilical Silliness Party.

See?

And I reserve the right to be silly whenever I like. So there.

Fascist (Including Stalin, etc.), but not communist.



Your party name is more than a little misleading, then. Except the opinion on abortion.

no, in fact a lot of conservatives couldn't care less about gays, its just the extreme types that want to outlaw it. Now I personally am against it, but I don't think it should be banned, if a person wants to do that, it's not hurting anyone, so why should i stop them doing it? But the party does believe that abortion and euthanasia are forms of murder, and thats why we want to put a stop to it, and we want a stop to it soon.

So I think that you'll find we are not misleading you with our name.

Woah! I'm not fascist! I'm silly!
Yeah! And the differences are clearly pink, fuzzy apples!

Woah! I'm not fascist! I'm silly!

lol :p

no, in fact a lot of conservatives couldn't care less about gays, its just the extreme types that want to outlaw it. Now I personally am against it, but I don't think it should be banned, if a person wants to do that, it's not hurting anyone, so why should i stop them doing it? But the party does believe that abortion and euthanasia are forms of murder, and thats why we want to put a stop to it, and we want a stop to it soon.

So I think that you'll find we are not misleading you with our name.

Oh, I see. I thought you were talking about gay marriage, not homosexuality itself. Yes, banning homosexuality itself is certainly an extreme position.

But here's an interesting point; Considering gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone, should you put a stop to it? Or how about legalising marijuana (even if only medicinally)? Public nudity?

;)

Uh...yes, I did mean ESP. How dare you be serious by pointing that out! We could have had a field day discussing all of the things the "U" could stand for.

Umbilical Silliness Party.

See?

And I reserve the right to be silly whenever I like. So there.
You have to join the ESP, otherwise you may be subject to the orange buggy i mentioned in a previous post.
And if you ain't going to use E, maybe the SP doesn't stand for Silliness Party...so, USP...Ultra-Sensitive Pen*ahem*...or Ululating Striped Pen*ahem*...or Urdu Speaking People. There! Finally, a clean one!

You have to join the ESP, otherwise you may be subject to the orange buggy i mentioned in a previous post.
And if you ain't going to use E, maybe the SP doesn't stand for Silliness Party...so, USP...Ultra-Sensitive Pen*ahem*...or Ululating Striped Pen*ahem*...or Urdu Speaking People. There! Finally, a clean one!

Clean? Pfft.

Unlimited Semen Penis!

SDRP- MEETING THE CHALLENGE
SDRP - WORKING HARD FOR YOU


[COLOR=Red] VOTE SDRP- THE REAL ALTERNATIVE

Oh, I see. I thought you were talking about gay marriage, not homosexuality itself. Yes, banning homosexuality itself is certainly an extreme position.

But here's an interesting point; Considering gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone, should you put a stop to it? Or how about legalising marijuana (even if only medicinally)? Public nudity?

;)

NO, I have seen what marajuana can do to you, it is a harmful substance, and in no way beneficial to the human body, and as for public nudity, think of the children, at least gays aren't gonna go out in public and do their.... stuff.

NO, I have seen what marajuana can do to you, it is a harmful substance, and in no way beneficial to the human body,

Do you support banning alcohol and tobacco, then?

and as for public nudity, think of the children, at least gays aren't gonna go out in public and do their.... stuff.

But how will the children be harmed by seeing a naked body?

And you didn't answer the bit about gay marriage. :p

SDRP- Meeting The Challenge

Do you support banning alcohol and tobacco, then?

personally, yes, but the party has no stance on this.

But how will the children be harmed by seeing a naked body?
it'll do them a lot of mental damage...

And you didn't answer the bit about gay marriage. :p
I believe I did, I said, The party have no problem with gays.

NO, I have seen what marajuana can do to you, it is a harmful substance....
Except that, in order to overdose from it, you'd need to ingest impossible amounts. You will not find one single case in the world literature of anyone overdosing on marijuana. THC is not toxic enough it simply can not kill.

Even if it was a "harmful substance" that is not a reason to ban it. Cyanide, for example, can kill you if you so much as touch it, but it's not exactly illegal per se. Alcohol is a better example: it's used regularly by most of us and actually possesses the potential to kill us by any number of means, be it alcohol poisoning or drunken stupidness. Allowing people to use intoxicating substances in a safe and controlled environment is not only practical, it ultimately allows your citizens the control over their minds, because when you're talking about psychoactive drugs you're basically talking about the contents of... well, your [i]mind!

You may have seen what it can do to a certain demographic , but [i]I've been smoking pot for about 6 years and while I can't deny it's occasional effect, my health and general judgement deficiencies are nowhere near what they would be with a correspondingly long and rigorous alcohol habit.

EDIT: and now that I think about it, isnt outlawing drugs tantamount to trying to protect people from themselves? If that's the case, wasnt' my "Social Authoritarian" label a bit more accurate than you'd ever admit?

personally, yes, but the party has no stance on this.

At least you're ideologically consistent.


it'll do them a lot of mental damage...

Why? They have a naked body too. The naked body is a perfectly natural thing; how is a child going to be damaged or hurt by seeing a naked person? It's not like seeing someone naked kills brain cells.

I believe I did, I said, The party have no problem with gays.

OK.

1) Marie Jane (marijuana if your not hip like me :D )messes with teenagers brain development

2) the last thing we need is more drugs after all its not like getting rid of them will happen once we make the available

3) your still smoking well you can bake it but who has the time and you don't want to get them confused with brownie’s for a bake sale (like someone I know did yesterday :D )

Except that, in order to overdose from it, you'd need to ingest impossible amounts. You will not find one single case in the world literature of anyone overdosing on marijuana. THC is not toxic enough it simply can not kill.

Even if it was a "harmful substance" that is not a reason to ban it. Cyanide, for example, can kill you if you so much as touch it, but it's not exactly illegal per se. Alcohol is a better example: it's used regularly by most of us and actually possesses the potential to kill us by any number of means, be it alcohol poisoning or drunken stupidness. Allowing people to use intoxicating substances in a safe and controlled environment is not only practical, it ultimately allows your citizens the control over their minds, because when you're talking about psychoactive drugs you're basically talking about the contents of... well, your [i]mind!

You may have seen what it can do to a certain demographic , but [i]I've been smoking pot for about 6 years and while I can't deny it's occasional effect, my health and general judgement deficiencies are nowhere near what they would be with a correspondingly long and rigorous alcohol habit.

EDIT: and now that I think about it, isnt outlawing drugs tantamount to trying to protect people from themselves? If that's the case, wasnt' my "Social Authoritarian" label a bit more accurate than you'd ever admit?

Firstly, did you even see my view on alcahol, it really is a shame the party cannot have aview on it, I will have to say something at the next party meeting.

Secondly, marajuana, over prolonged usage, can cause seveer brain problems in later life. My next door neighbour, who has been in prison for drug dealing, often smokes "pot" or whatever you hippies call it, and has been doing so for many years, and you ought to see him, he staggers about and swears, and once he even ran out of his house and tried to hug me. Now if that is not evidence enough for the argument against drug use, then I don't know what is.

And for your information, my definition of social authoritarianism is where you prevent people from doing anything, common sense is where you prevent people from doing harmful things.

NO, I have seen what marajuana can do to you, it is a harmful substance, and in no way beneficial to the human body, and as for public nudity, think of the children, at least gays aren't gonna go out in public and do their.... stuff.

1: Oh, really. My cousin is a dedicated pot smoker (he even has an "It's 4:20; Be kind." bumper sticker on his Jeep), and he's just fine. I'll go out on a limb and say that he's better and more mild-mannered than he was before he found marijuana (not really going out on a limb, because it's true).

2: What's this, then? You make it seem as if heterosexuals doing their "stuff" in public would be okay, but gays doing their stuff wouldn't.

1) Marie Jane (marijuana if your not hip like me :D )messes with teenagers brain development

2) the last thing we need is more drugs after all its not like getting rid of them will happen once we make the available

3) your still smoking well you can bake it but who has the time and you don't want to get them confused with brownie’s for a bake sale (like someone I know did yesterday :D )

I can disagree with your points all day long...but it's irrelevant, because it all comes down to one thing: why does anyone have the right to tell me what I can and can't put into my body?

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1: Oh, really. My cousin is a dedicated pot smoker (he even has an "It's 4:20; Be kind." bumper sticker on his Jeep), and he's just fine. I'll go out on a limb and say that he's better and more mild-mannered than he was before he found marijuana (not really going out on a limb, because it's true).

2: What's this, then? You make it seem as if heterosexuals doing their "stuff" in public would be okay, but gays doing their stuff wouldn't.

No, nobody doing their sexual practices in public is ok, in the name of common decency and common sense, I am saying that public nudity is bad, heterosexual OR homosexual

Secondly, marajuana, over prolonged usage, can cause seveer brain problems in later life. My next door neighbour, who has been in prison for drug dealing, often smokes "pot" or whatever you hippies call it, and has been doing so for many years, and you ought to see him, he staggers about and swears, and once he even ran out of his house and tried to hug me. Now if that is not evidence enough for the argument against drug use, then I don't know what is.

Have you ever considered that maybe he's a moron, and his "severe brain problems" were there from birth?

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Oooh, a Marxist party invoking God now?

:p

No, nobody doing their sexual practices in public is ok, in the name of common decency and common sense, I am saying that public nudity is bad, heterosexual OR homosexual

You haven't explained how seeing a naked body is going to cause anyone harm.

"pot" or whatever you hippies call it

Oh, joy. Can we ever have a debate without you guys pulling this shit?

Oooh, a Marxist party invoking God now?

:p

If i put "everytime you vote for someone other than the RTP, I'll kill a kitten" it wouldn't get us no lovin'

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If i put "everytime you vote for someone other than the RTP, I'll kill a kitten" it wouldn't get us no lovin'

But your party's already getting no love!

:D

If i put "everytime you vote for someone other than the RTP, I'll kill a kitten" it wouldn't get us no lovin'

Maybe "Hitler will kill a kitten" or "Stalin will kill a kitten" or "them crazy anarchists will kill a kitten" would probably match the party a little more.

But your party's already getting no love!

:D

we'd get even less if we started murdering kittens, thats why we have this one-
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Firstly, did you even see my view on alcahol, it really is a shame the party cannot have aview on it, I will have to say something at the next party meeting.
"Your view" on alcohol is irrelevant. I was drawing a parallel.

Secondly, marajuana, over prolonged usage, can cause seveer brain problems in later life. My next door neighbour, who has been in prison for drug dealing, often smokes "pot" or whatever you hippies call it, and has been doing so for many years, and you ought to see him, he staggers about and swears, and once he even ran out of his house and tried to hug me. Now if that is not evidence enough for the argument against drug use, then I don't know what is.
Alright, now lets comare this behavior to the fifty people that I know who do smoke pot and don't do shit like this. I would be surprised if you could prove to me that weed alone accounts for this: chances are you're seeing someone who's either been psycho all his life, doing other drugs, or any number of other things.

Oh, and when people deal drugs, they don't generally just deal with weed: chances are you're seeing the effects of prolonged hard drug use as well. I'll get to why those should be legal too in a minute, after you read this: *ahem* Don't call me a goddamn hippie.

Thanks.

And for your information, my definition of social authoritarianism is where you prevent people from doing anything, common sense is where you prevent people from doing harmful things.
Then you clealry have no idea what Authoritarianism means. Authoritarianism occurs inevitably when any political organization tries to meddle with the populace: to make them better, to make them more "moral," to change their values or dictate how they think. You're just as guilty as the American Left when it comes to seeing half the picture when it comes to "Rights," you just choose to acknowledge different ones as valid.

It makes no sense, for example, to come out and on an economic level say all men have the right to their individual product and individual life and then turn around and tell them what to do with that product or what substances or activities to include or exclude from one's life. Freedom means not only the freedom to make the correct choice, but also the freedom to learn from the wrong ones. Even if your next door neighbor is exactly how you describe because of pot why should you be the only one with the freedom to learn about the effects of drugs first [or even second] hand?

You haven't explained how seeing a naked body is going to cause anyone harm.

well in the name of decency i would say its disturbing. would you want to see someone with some dodgy sexual disease sitting next to you on the bus....

VOTE ESP. We don't care what the hell you smoke, as long its name ends in "ack."

The Emphatically Silly Party. We don't believe in Sunshine.

we'd get even less if we started murdering kittens, thats why we have this one-
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:eek: you plant/stick kittens in plant pots!

:eek: you plant stick kittens in plant pots!

aaaaawwwwww!!!!!

well in the name of decency i would say its disturbing. would you want to see someone with some dodgy sexual disease sitting next to you on the bus....

Not particularly (although i'm sure said person with sexual disease wouldn't want to exhibit the fact anyway), but it doesn't cause me any lasting harm. To quote:

we promote personal freedoms in any case where it doesn't harm somebody else.

You have every right to hold the opinion that it's disturbing, but i'm afraid doesn't really give you the right to enforce your personal morality upon other people.

well in the name of decency i would say its disturbing. would you want to see someone with some dodgy sexual disease sitting next to you on the bus....
You obviously haven't caught a bus in Lancashire recently....

You have every right to hold the opinion that it's disturbing, but i'm afraid doesn't really give you the right to enforce your personal morality upon other people.

there are some very emotional people who could have permanent mental scars from the sight of someones genitals.

:eek: you plant stick kittens in plant pots!

they like plant pots.... they're warm

Don't call me a goddamn hippie.

Same goes for me. Thanks.

Not that I have anything against the sort (a lot of them are actually very good people), but don't say shit you've just pulled out of your ass to get a rise out of people, Blu-tac.

You obviously haven't caught a bus in Lancashire recently....

no... i don't think i've ever been to lancashire, or no, is heysham in lancashire, cus i have driven through it to get to the isle of man if it is...

what happens in these buses any way?

there are some very emotional people who could have permanent mental scars from the sight of someones genitals.

Then they shouldn't even be out in public, should they, hmm?

We have places for those people. They're called Mental Institutions.