NationStates Jolt Archive

Edit: This election is now closed. Thank you to all parties and voters for having taken part.

These are the number of seats obtained by each party:

Democratic Socialist Party : 4 seats
Emphatically Silly Party: 2 seats
MOBRA: 1 seat
New British Imperialist Party: 2 seats
NS Classic Liberals: 2 seats
NS Conservative Party: 5 seats
Reason Party: 5 seats
Revolutionary Trotskyist Party: 2 seats
United Democratic Communist Party: 2 seats

The new Parliamentary thread can be found here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9752278#post9752278).


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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the second NationStates General Election!

Just like last time, you're each entitled to one vote. There are 25 seats up for grabs in Parliament, and seats will be won through proportional representation. A party must obtain at least 4% of the vote to be granted one seat. The election will last five days, at the end of which I'll announce how many seats go to each party.

These are the links to the manifestos of the parties:
* Democratic Socialist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666)
* Emphatically Silly Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9030988&postcount=17)
* Mole and Other Burrowing Rodents Alliance (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418621)
* New British Imperialist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443192&page=1&pp=15)
* NS Classic Liberals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8941512&postcount=208)
* NS Conservative Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443877)
* Reason Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=423022) (formerly the "Up yours!" Party)
* Revolutionary Trotskyist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=422701)
* United Democratic Communist Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610)

Vote UDCP!

vote for freedom, equality, for all, for the future

I vote for UDCP. Well thought out manifesto, logical, ideal.

I am still undecided.

Bollocks. I really didn't want to vote Reason. But all the others aren't too great. (Was toying with CL for a while, till I actually read their manifesto.)

I voted for the Revolutionary Trotskyist Party

I voted for the Revolutionary Trotskyist Party
Me, too.

Wow, the RTP may have a chance..maybe.

I encourage support of the NS Classic Liberals, even though the party forum hasn't seen any activity in the past month.

Wow, the RTP may have a chance..maybe.
Yeah, I was suprised to see them winning. I guess the majority of people here are fairly left wing.

Yeah, I was suprised to see them winning. I guess the majority of people here are fairly left wing.
thats not what i observed the shift to be in the last few months... last time it was a pretty even split between the righties and lefties in parliament, with the latter having maybe a 5 to 10% margin over the righties, spread over the multitude of leftist parties.
but since then i've sensed a general move or influx of more rightist ideas and posters.

then again thats just my observations and i could be very wrong...
(i hope so)

thats not what i observed the shift to be in the last few months... last time it was a pretty even split between the righties and lefties in parliament, with the latter having maybe a 5 to 10% margin over the righties, spread over the multitude of leftist parties.
but since then i've sensed a general move or influx of more rightist ideas and posters.

then again thats just my observations and i could be very wrong...
(i hope so)
i hope so too. the poll does says there is alot more 'lefties'. the left-wing parties have 75% of vote right now.

I just notices something, the NSCL and the Reason Party have three votes and the RTP, UDCP, and the other one have six votes. What a trend.

vote for the NBIP! WE NEED AN EMPEROR TO RULE US!

vote for the NBIP! WE NEED AN EMPEROR TO RULE US!
no we dont

I vote for UDCP. Well thought out manifesto, logical, ideal.

Why, thank you. :)

Vote UDCP!

3 good, practical reasons to vote for the United Democratic Communist Party:

* the UDCP is the largest, best organised party of the left. We have more members than the DSP and the RTP combined, and we've got a forum to discuss and come up with our policies. We're also the most active party of the left in political debates. A vote for the UDCP is a vote for the best organised political party of the left.

* the UDCP is a fully democratic party, which encourages its members to contribute their opinions. All votes cast by UDCP MPs in Parliament are first submitted to Party members for discussion and approval. The UDCP, unlike most parties, allows you to have a strong say in what happens in Parliament.

* the UDCP is an active party in Parliament. Few parties can boast the same. When the first Parliament was established, one in five MPs overall did not bother to vote on the first two resolutions to go through Parliament, and that number subsequently increased. In most parties, there were MPs who failed to vote on several resolutions. Not so in the UDCP. Our party remained consistently committed to upholding your beliefs and ideas. When you cast your vote, you want to vote for MPs you can trust. A vote for the UDCP is a guarentee that your vote will not be wasted.

I've decided to support the UDCP this time, as I can no longer reconcile the repression of freedom of speech in my native RTP.

Still, just for old time's sake;
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/sleb/HANSAYS.jpg

Vote New British Imperialist Party good sirs, you know you bally well want to eh wot!

I've decided to support the UDCP this time, as I can no longer reconcile the repression of freedom of speech in my native RTP.


Thank you for your support!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/comradekain/POSTER.jpg

Vote NS Conservative Party

Change WILL happen, and we will be it's proponents.

I voted UDCP but the link to the NSCL's manifesto doesn't work and the link to the NS Conservatives leads to the NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a6...kain/POSTER.jpg


Hehe... I'm sure she would. Thank you. ;)


I voted UDCP but the link to the NSCL's manifesto doesn't work and the link to the NS Conservatives leads to the NS Meritocratic Representative Republicans.

Fixed. And thank you for your support. :)

Gimme a 'U'! Gimme a 'D'! Gimme a 'C'! Gimme a 'P'! What does that spell? UDCP!

Gimme a 'U'! Gimme a 'D'! Gimme a 'C'! Gimme a 'P'! What does that spell? UDCP!
*waves pompoms*
*jiggles butt*

btw, aridd, gotta say thanks for running another election :)

btw, aridd, gotta say thanks for running another election :)

Don't thank me. It was scheduled that we should have an election about this time.

Don't thank me. It was scheduled that we should have an election about this time.
yeah, still, you're the one who organises em :)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/Skinny87/union-jack.gif

The New British Imperialist Party

Are YOU going to be voting for your country? The Liberals want this, the Conservatives want that...the infighting is depressing and only to be expected. Don't join a disunified and argumentative party that will do you no good. Join the NBIP!


Do you like the Monarchy?
Do you dream of the time Britain was still powerful?
Do you abhor coffee, and like a good cup of English Tea?


If you want this, and you love your country, then vote for the NBIP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443192&page=1&pp=15)

For King, Country, and Freedom!

all hail New British Imperialist Party the only party on the vote in itallic

also because we have the only good plan to police forums by sending in gunboat (http://users.belgacom.net/navphoto/ship2/68449.jpg)

If there are three words to sum up this election, they are:

CLobberwots!
Ni, and
Ekke ekke ekke ptang zoo boing

VOTE ESP - YOU KNOW IT MAKES NO SENSE

Today's post was brought to you by the letters b and v, and the number 2.535x10^256

VOTE RTP

SMASH THE STATE! END INJUSTICE! UNITE AND WIN!

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/4338/capit7ms.jpg

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

Sir Winston Churchill

Vote BNIP!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/Skinny87/union-jack.gif

The New British Imperialist Party

Are YOU going to be voting for your country? The Liberals want this, the Conservatives want that...the infighting is depressing and only to be expected. Don't join a disunified and argumentative party that will do you no good. Join the NBIP!


Do you like the Monarchy?
Do you dream of the time Britain was still powerful?
Do you abhor coffee, and like a good cup of English Tea?


If you want this, and you love your country, then vote for the NBIP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443192&page=1&pp=15)

For King, Country, and Freedom!

VOTE FOR THEM! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

VOTE FOR THEM! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN...
BECAUSE NO BUGGER ELSE WOULD!!

Vote ESP - we know what you're thinking, and it involves flying hamsters...

New British Imperialist Party
Party Political Broadcast Brought to you by the NS BBC

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/NBIP.png

Do YOU believe that EVERY schoolchild in the realm should be entitled to TEA as part of his school dinners?

Do YOU believe that Britannia should rule the waves?

Do YOU hate the bloody weather?

Do YOU want to be ruled by overweight, cigar-smoking aristocrats who end every sentence with the words "Wot, wot!"?

IF SO - ANSWER THE CALL:

VOTE NBIP - You Know it Makes Sense

If there are three words to sum up this election, they are:

CLobberwots!
Ni, and
Ekke ekke ekke ptang zoo boing

VOTE ESP - YOU KNOW IT MAKES NO SENSE

Today's post was brought to you by the letters b and v, and the number 2.535x10^256
Yay! Over 8% of the vote - that's 2 seats! Go proportional representation!
I'm having one of them! And I'll find my lime-green leopard print armchair cover. Parliament's getting a makeover!

Five words if you vote NBIP:

Monty Python's own BBC channel.

United Democratic Communist Party.

The capitalist system has to be entirely eliminated.

Five words if you vote NBIP:

Monty Python's own BBC channel.
Policy stealer!
6. We would institute and state television network with the prime slots on this network going to Monty Python re-runs with the rest occupied by other similarly humoured programming. There would be no news, as this is generally serious.
Also:
12. We would found a ministry of silly walks, which would receive 25% of all government funding.
Those who voted for the NBIP, hang your heads in shame...so we can decorate the backs of your heads with various spices and food dyes, then dump custard on top.

I propose that the 10 votes for the NBIP be awarded to the ESP, as the only reason anyone voted for the NBIP is 'their' policy for the creation of a Monty Python BBC channel - clearly stolen from the ESP's Manifesto.
Also, it would give a much greater chance of the ESP winning, which is what we all want really, isn't it? Isn't it?

*tumbleweed*

Hey, where you all gone? :confused:

Well Stalin, as the New British Imperialist Party, we have rights to the BBC and Monty Python. You do not.

I am sorry. But a ninja must kill you now.

This a political Broadcawst from the Yorkshire mambers of the NBIP!

*Posh british voice starts speaking.*

Oh, Hi chaps, I'm here to talk about the New British Imperial Party, eh wot! We won't you chaps to jolly well vote for us. We'll restore the royal familly and bring America back into the coloneys, eh wot!

And you get a free sheep from manor Farm, Kettlewell if you vote NBIP

Those who voted for the NBIP, hang your heads in shame...so we can decorate the backs of your heads with various spices and food dyes, then dump custard on top.
How dare you, sah! I put it to you that your party is none less than a shambles, sir! Do you recognise Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth I of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith? I put it to you that you do not sir! Your implication that we are none more than a petty imitation of your own shameful party is none less than outrageous!

I say, old boy. Bad form, bad form indeed. How dare you threaten a servant of the Crown? We might just bally well send in a gunboat after you! Stiff upper lip, wot? Give' em the ol' one, two! Cast your ballot for the NBIP today!

"Britinnia: Fighting for a bloody spiffing future."

Bloody right! Send in the gunboats good sah!

I'llthrow sheep at you sah!

I say, old boy. Bad form, bad form indeed. How dare you threaten a servant of the Crown? We might just bally well send in a gunboat after you! Stiff upper lip, wot? Give' em the ol' one, two! Cast your ballot for the NBIP today!

"Britinnia: Fighting for a bloody spiffing future."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/britannia.png

=)

The right loony minister for arguing pointlessly with nutty politicians from other parties, I V Stalin, shall retract his statements to the attempt upon NBIP. Being a Brititishisher my self, I know their condillionsly funness buried deep within their obnoxious, fat bloke tycoonish exterior! I too have said sah! and feel that direct attacks upon any area of the party* should be forbidden. Now say you're sorry, I V.

*This excludes any Yorkshiremen and their spouses within the party - Yorkshire is far too serious for my Lancastrian liking.

I shall finish with a visual message from your benevolent, non-reactionary party, the ESP:

ESP - the loony choice (http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6033/hamster8io.png)

This message was brought to you by the letters WESHALLNEVERSURRENDAH! and the number *vermillion*

How dare you, sah! I put it to you that your party is none less than a shambles, sir! Do you recognise Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth I of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith? I put it to you that you do not sir! Your implication that we are none more than a petty imitation of your own shameful party is none less than outrageous!
I do indeed recognise Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth I, even though she has been sadly deceased for over 400 years.
However, to restore at least a semblance of companionship between our two resplendent parties, I shall retract my statement, and issue my silliest of apologies to any offended.
My apologies also to my fellow party member, the Minister of Exterior for Cabbages, Small Furry Rodents and Jamaican Jerk. Also, deputy party leader.
By the way, is that Colin in the picture?

A party Political Broadcast from the NS Conservative Party;

Vote for us and get:

- Property Rights
- Democracy
- Low Tax
- Less government intervention
- Tougher sentences for those who need them
- A telegram from The Founder (Members only)
- And a free cookie!

So vote today, and you could vote for the ideology of such greats as Ronald Reagan, Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln, and others...

So vote today and you will help spread democracy and Christian values

So vote today and get a FREE cookie.

So vote today, for a better tomorrow.

Change will occur and we will be its proponent!

The NS Conservative Party

UDCP! *waves ambiguous commie flag*

UDCP! *waves ambiguous commie flag*

*does the same, but stands on a milk crate for an added dramatic effect*

*does the same, but stands on a milk crate for an added dramatic effect*

*stands on top of you for an added dramatic effect to the added dramatic effect*

*stands on top of you for an added dramatic effect to the added dramatic effect*

*kills you to weaken the extra added dramatic effect to enhance said dramatic effect*

*stands on top of you for an added dramatic effect to the added dramatic effect*

*kicks you all down and stands on the milk crate with an american flag in one hand and a cross in the other hand*

Vote for us and get:

- Property Rights
- Democracy
- Low Tax
- Less government intervention
- Tougher sentences for those who need them
- A telegram from The Founder (Members only)
- And a free cookie!
Ha!

*kicks you all down and stands on the milk crate with an american flag in one hand and a cross in the other hand*

Dude, I already killed him quite a bit before your half-assed attempt at stealing my thunder.

:D

Dude, I already killed him quite a bit before your half-assed attempt at stealing my thunder.

:D

shut up! *runs of to cry and pray*

None of the above.

Hmm. I'll vote for Reason. I like that Melkor takes it all on himself to do the party business. I don't really want to be involved. Besides, I know if I can hypothetically provide a reasonable alternative to his policies, he'd consider it.

And the anti-capitalists dredging up Soviet propaganda just sicken me. Yeah yeah, I know, it's not Soviet propaganda. It's Stalinist claptrap. Whatever. ;)

*kicks you all down and stands on the milk crate with an american flag in one hand and a cross in the other hand*

*points and laughs, and crowd joins in at laughing at your ridiculous pose*

Pwned.

Seriously, why isn't there a "none of the above" option?

damn liberals, good thing they always fight, or else they would team together and we will be in deep sh... trouble

*points and laughs, and crowd joins in at laughing at your ridiculous pose*

Pwned.


may i point out to undecided voters that commies do like laughing at other ideologies, where conservatives try to accept them.

Seriously, why isn't there a "none of the above" option?
Because if you don't want to vote, you don't have to...or you could vote for the ESP...we need all the help we can get.

may i point out to undecided voters that commies do like laughing at other ideologies, where conservatives try to accept them.

HAHAHAHA!

Oh, the laughs never end with you! *clutches sides as tears stream down face*

:p

may i point out to undecided voters that commies do like laughing at other ideologies, where conservatives try to accept them.

Excuse me, I suddenly have the urge to use the toilet.

Excuse me, I suddenly have the urge to use the toilet.

Did I want to know that?

Because if you don't want to vote, you don't have to...or you could vote for the ESP...we need all the help we can get.

Yeah but there must always be a better way to flip y'all off than ignoring you. :D

Did I want to know that?

*slaps forehead*

...

may i point out to undecided voters that commies do like laughing at other ideologies, where conservatives try to accept them.

Funny guy...funny guy. :D

Yeah but there must always be a better way to flip y'all off than ignoring you. :D
What did you think the whole point of the ESP was, then?

Funny guy...funny guy. :D

how is that funny??? its the truth, they were insulting conservatism

http://www.merch-bot.com/images/products/lifestyle/small/traditional-communist-flag-shirt.jpg
he'd vote UDCP... why don't you? :) ;)


*stands on kanabia's dead body, waving a tank with the hammer & sickle painted on the side*

http://www.merch-bot.com/images/products/lifestyle/small/traditional-communist-flag-shirt.jpg
he'd vote UDCP... why don't you? :) ;)


*stands on kanabia's dead body, waving a tank with the hammer & sickle painted on the side*


BOLSHEVIK *SHoots Pure metal*
*waves Union jack and sings loudly*

therel always be an England

VOTE THE NEW BRITISH IMPERIALIST PARTY AND RECEIVE FREE TEA! and maybe even a governorship :D

What did you think the whole point of the ESP was, then?

The only party worth selling your soul for is the Refused Party Program. :D :cool:

http://www.merch-bot.com/images/products/lifestyle/small/traditional-communist-flag-shirt.jpg
he'd vote UDCP... why don't you? :) ;)


*stands on kanabia's dead body, waving a tank with the hammer & sickle painted on the side*

Get off my nuts. I'm not dead. :mad:

Could it be possible for one to form a new party as none of those seem to represent my views?

Could it be possible for one to form a new party as none of those seem to represent my views?

have to wait till next election now i believe. I'm sure you could manage a vote for the conservative party though.... we did help you an all.

Get off my nuts. I'm not dead. :mad:
*bashes you and E Blackadder with my tank*
it'll take more than a bullet to kill this virtual communist!

*sigh*

Communists. So many of them about these days. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of them havent even read the Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital, but they are Communist because they dont really think about anything long enough to make an informed judgement and instead follow the sad deception that a Communist society would be any freer, any fairer or any better off than our own.

*sigh*

Communists. So many of them about these days. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of them havent even read the Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital, but they are Communist because they dont really think about anything long enough to make an informed judgement and instead follow the sad deception that a Communist society would be any freer, any fairer or any better off than our own.

Yeah, that's exactly what we do. Nope, we never think anything through before we say it's a good idea. Nah.

It's funny, too. You say we're the ones without any knowledge, yet you fail to realise that Communism is very Democratic.

*sigh*

Communists. So many of them about these days. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of them havent even read the Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital, but they are Communist because they dont really think about anything long enough to make an informed judgement and instead follow the sad deception that a Communist society would be any freer, any fairer or any better off than our own.

too true. I'm also willing to bet that most of the poeple that say they are communist would be a hell of a lot worse of if their country was communist, and when it was communist, they would still have something to complain about... :mad:

NS Classical Liberals for Parliament!!!!

Vote for the Reason Party- the true party to lead the Generalites to the Promised Land! ;)

NS Classical Liberals for Parliament!!!!
NS Conservative Party for Parliament!

Yeah, that's exactly what we do. Nope, we never think anything through before we say it's a good idea. Nah.
It's nice to see you have the courage to admit it.

I suspect you're being sarcastic, but this seems to be not very far from the truth.

It's funny, too. You say we're the ones without any knowledge, yet you fail to realise that Communism is very Democratic.
My ass. "Democratic" Communism will last only as long as it takes for the people to realize they can vote their paychecks back into their pockets. Communism makes the mistake of assuming it can change the way people think. Bollocks to that. This is the reason the USSR and every other Communist regime resorted to authoritarianism: they slowly came to the realization that this cannot be done unless you're willing to put up the coin to lobotomize your entire population.

Yeah, that's exactly what we do. Nope, we never think anything through before we say it's a good idea. Nah.

It's funny, too. You say we're the ones without any knowledge, yet you fail to realise that Communism is very Democratic.

Potaria is right, Communism is very democratic. Democratic to the point that the majority controls everything about your life. Your profession, your diet, your entertainment. I mean, obviously you don't know what is best for you, so lets get the entire population of the country to decide what is best for you.

If you are lucky they won't consider religion and opposing speech as a detriment to society, so they won't kill you for those like every other communism that has existed. If that's the case you can pray and bitch while you eat your government cheese.

It's nice to see you have the courage to admit it.

I suspect you're being sarcastic, but this seems to be not very far from the truth.


My ass. "Democratic" Communism will last only as long as it takes for the people to realize they can vote their paychecks back into their pockets. Communism makes the mistake of assuming it can change the way people think. Bollocks to that.

1: Haha. :p

2: Very sarcastic, indeed I am being.

3: Well, it's not quite like that... However, I guess we're far beyond reasoning here, aren't we?

Yeah, that's exactly what we do. Nope, we never think anything through before we say it's a good idea. Nah.

It's funny, too. You say we're the ones without any knowledge, yet you fail to realise that Communism is very Democratic.
The Communist Manifesto only mentions the word "democracy" once, and it's debatable as to whether the passage actually supports democracy or advocates its militant overthrow:

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling as to win the battle of democracy.

3: Well, it's not quite like that... However, I guess we're far beyond reasoning here, aren't we?
Then what is it like, hmm? If Communism is such a valid political concept, why doesn't it work?

Potaria is right, Communism is very democratic. Democratic to the point that the majority controls everything about your life. Your profession, your diet, your entertainment. I mean, obviously you don't know what is best for you, so lets get the entire population of the country to decide what is best for you.

If you are lucky they won't consider religion and opposing speech as a detriment to society, so they won't kill you for those like every other communism that has existed. If that's the case you can pray and bitch while you eat your government cheese.

But what if I don't agree with the majority, what if i want to lead my own life, a life not controlled by people different to me, communism doesn't work, humans were given free will and they will not follow what everyone else does, does the rest of the country decide who you marry, what you call your children? I think not, Communism is not democratic, it takes away free will and makes the minority think its voice cannot be heard.

Potaria is right, Communism is very democratic. Democratic to the point that the majority controls everything about your life. Your profession, your diet, your entertainment. I mean, obviously you don't know what is best for you, so lets get the entire population of the country to decide what is best for you.

If you are lucky they won't consider religion and opposing speech as a detriment to society, so they won't kill you for those like every other communism that has existed.

1: Heh, not even close. Communism is a form of government that gives everyone an equal chance at a good life. Sure, there won't be billionaire tycoons, but there won't be hordes of poor people who otherwise wouldn't be able to do anything about their situation. It has nothing to do with controlling the way people think. That's Stalinism. True Communism is nothing like it.

I'm sure Pure Metal would be more than happy to attempt (I say attempt, because your head is thicker than a slab of concrete) to inform you more. I'm not much for talking to you anymore.

The Communist Manifesto only mentions the word "democracy" once, and it's debatable as to whether the passage actually supports democracy or advocates its militant overthrow:

Marx, like everyone else who advocated legislating morality, only sought to use the democratic system as justification to oppress.

It is unfortunate that democracy has already been manipulated to fit authoritarian motives.

1: Heh, not even close. Communism is a form of government that gives everyone an equal chance at a good life. Sure, there won't be billionaire tycoons, but there won't be hordes of poor people who otherwise wouldn't be able to do anything about their situation. It has nothing to do with controlling the way people think. That's Stalinism. True Communism is nothing like it.
Communism is anarchy. It's the complete lack of a state when the society in question has passed through the Socialist phase and all forms of establishment have whithered away.

See what I mean? They dont even know what they're supporting. :rolleyes:

But what if I don't agree with the majority, what if i want to lead my own life, a life not controlled by people different to me, communism doesn't work, humans were given free will and they will not follow what everyone else does, does the rest of the country decide who you marry, what you call your children? I think not, Communism is not democratic, it takes away free will and makes the minority think its voice cannot be heard.

Democracy is simply a form of giving authority to the people, this means that the majority has authority. So even if you are getting screwed, if the majority of the population wills it, it is still democratic.

Then what is it like, hmm? If Communism is such a valid political concept, why doesn't it work?

The main reason is that it's never been put into practice on a large scale. The "Communism" that has is Totalitarianism with a few aspects of Communism... A few, that when combined with this form of government, just make people worse off than they would be in a similar form of Totalitarianism, Fascism. You can call this Stalinism, or Maoism.

The closest thing the world's ever seen to a true Communism is Spain during its civil war. It's a pity that Germany stepped in...

(I say attempt, because your head is thicker than a slab of concrete)
Tell me, what made you think this was appropriate to post, especially in my presence?

Communism is anarchy. It's the complete lack of a state when the society in question has passed through the Socialist phase and all forms of establishment have whithered away.

See what I mean? They dont even know what they're supporting. :rolleyes:

That's what the UDCP is reaching for, well, if it was an actual government/state. Communism requires the Capitalist economic system to reach its final level. It also requires an acknowledged state and government to help it along.

The main reason is that it's never been put into practice on a large scale. The "Communism" that has is Totalitarianism with a few aspects of Communism... A few, that when combined with this form of government, just make people worse off than they would be in a similar form of Totalitarianism, Fascism. You can call this Stalinism, or Maoism.
And, as I described ealrier, the totalitarian bent was a necessity because, like I also said earlier, Communism attempts to do away with a basic biological perogative of man, i.e. the desire to create and produce things for oneself and one's family.

The closest thing the world's ever seen to a true Communism is Spain during its civil war. It's a pity that Germany stepped in...
I thought it was Yugoslavia under Tito.

Tell me, what made you think this was appropriate to post, especially in my presence?

No, but I guess you didn't see his multiple insults directed toward me in the Welfare State thread.

I haven't exactly viewed him as a kind or open-minded person since... Do what you must.

No, but I guess you didn't see his multiple insults directed toward me in the Welfare State thread.
I didn't but I washed my hands of that thread some time ago because the arguments from your political bedfellows was beginning to resemble a broken record. I can't be arsed to read everything that's posted on this site: it's part of the reason why we have a Moderation Forum

I haven't exactly viewed him as a kind or open-minded person since... Do what you must.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

That's what the UDCP is reaching for, well, if it was an actual government/state. Communism requires the Capitalist economic system to reach its final level. It also requires an acknowledged state and government to help it along.
Communism requires the entire world to be Communist, and it requires an unofficial social system whereby everyone is forced to support it, either through genuine, albeit engenered, belief, or through fear or forceful coersion. For this very reason, the only way that Communism can even come close to occuring in a modern setting is via a Bolshevik style revolution as in Russia which then proceeds to try force people to be free and equal with extremely bloody results, and which then, corrupted by its own power and complete unaccountability, slowly drifts away from its founding principles and, driven by paranoia, fear and wanton self interest turns upon itself and the rest of the world before eventually collapsing out of the strain involved in holding the whole thing in place.

Democracy is simply a form of giving authority to the people, this means that the majority has authority. So even if you are getting screwed, if the majority of the population wills it, it is still democratic.

yes but ion the form of "communist democracy", that way the minority has no say whatsoever, they can't force a compromise, as they so often do in other governments.

and again, do the majority choose who you marry? cus i can just imagine that poll card...

Should Barry marry *insert list of every single woman in the country*...

are communists against wasting natural resources too?

and wouldn't communism mean that people wouldn't get jobs cause they're getting paid anyway? and the kind people that do work would get exactly the same amount of money?

1: Heh, not even close. Communism is a form of government that gives everyone an equal chance at a good life. Sure, there won't be billionaire tycoons, but there won't be hordes of poor people who otherwise wouldn't be able to do anything about their situation. It has nothing to do with controlling the way people think. That's Stalinism. True Communism is nothing like it.

For a communism to work the democratic system that is installed must assign values to all labor, and in turn all goods and services. So the majority determines what you labor is worth, and what the goods your recieve for your labor would be.

I'm not much for talking to you anymore.

Now I know you are altruistic and all, but you don't have to do me any favors.

And, as I described ealrier, the totalitarian bent was a necessity because, like I also said earlier, Communism attempts to do away with a basic biological perogative of man, i.e. the desire to create and produce things for oneself and one's family.


I thought it was Yugoslavia under Tito.

1: True, but you can produce and provide for your family under a Communist system. It wouldn't be all that different from what we have today... Except there's no money involved.

2: Spain during the civil war before WWII broke out fits it better.

1: True, but you can produce and provide for your family under a Communist system. It wouldn't be all that different from what we have today... Except there's no money involved.
There's a reason the barter system died, Potaria.

2: Spain during the civil war before WWII broke out fits it better.
Hm, I always thought Yugoslavia was the closest working example. I guess ya learn something new every day.

I didn't but I washed my hands of that thread some time ago because the arguments from your political bedfellows was beginning to resemble a broken record.

I can say the same for myself with you guys involved in this thread.

*scrubs hands continuously*

There's a reason the barter system died, Potaria.


Hm, I always thought Yugoslavia was the closest working example. I guess ya learn something new every day.

1: It's not really a barter system. It's a lot of economic models melded together... When you already have everything, why do you need any more?

2: Perhaps...

I can say the same for myself with you guys involved in this thread.

*scrubs hands continuously*
Hey, that's fine, but I typically leave the thread as soon as that happens: I'm completely secure in my politics, but I can't take any responsibility for these white devils. Typically, both sides of $DEBATE fall into this trap at some point. The perpetrator generally varies from issue to issue.

Hey, that's fine, but I typically leave the thread as soon as that happens: I'm completely secure in my politics, but I can't take any responsibility for these white devils. Typically, both sides of $DEBATE fall into this trap at some point. The perpetrator generally varies from issue to issue.

Same goes for me.

It just sickens me when people start pulling things out of their asses, regardless of their political affiliation(s).

1: It's not really a barter system. It's a lot of economic models melded together... When you already have everything, why do you need any more?
Economics - money = barter system. I'm sorry, but that's how it works. "Money" would [under Communism] cease to consist of paper notes, and would be replaced instead with various other physical commodities, be they raw materials, products, or some other object of interest. The value that humankind attaches to money would remain, but would simply be transposed to these objects. It would change precisely nothing in the long run.

No, but I guess you didn't see his multiple insults directed toward me in the Welfare State thread.

I haven't exactly viewed him as a kind or open-minded person since... Do what you must.

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These are my posts in that thread while I was trying to discuss with you. Not only did I not insult you, I refrained while you were insulting me.

I did not flame you, I did not report you, all the while you continued to insult me and anyone else who disagreed with you.

Rule Britannia!

yes but ion the form of "communist democracy", that way the minority has no say whatsoever, they can't force a compromise, as they so often do in other governments.

In societies, minorities only get the equivelent of what it would take keep them from causing trouble.

and wouldn't communism mean that people wouldn't get jobs cause they're getting paid anyway? and the kind people that do work would get exactly the same amount of money?

That would be common sense, but what can you do. They say that people are too myopic to take care of society voluntarily, yet they expect people to support society when they recieve its benefits for free.

My, my my mudslinging, name calling, you people sure now how to imitate RL! :)

I voted for [insert here] Party.

Economics - money = barter system. I'm sorry, but that's how it works. "Money" would [under Communism] cease to consist of paper notes, and would be replaced instead with various other physical commodities, be they raw materials, products, or some other object of interest. The value that humankind attaches to money would remain, but would simply be transposed to these objects. It would change precisely nothing in the long run.

True, however...

Why would you want money, if you could get everything without it? Rather than a smaller percentage of people having a shitload of things, everyone has everything. That's not saying that everyone has as much as a multi-millionaire, of course, but the point still stands.

Now, I know I'm never going to change your mind on the issue, and I'm just stating facts that some of you don't know (or refuse to know) about Communism. There are good alternatives to it, of course, that are still quite Capitalist (Democratic Socialism being the standard).

I wouldn't mind a system like that, though it wouldn't be what I really want.

That would be common sense, but what can you do. They say that people are too myopic to take care of society voluntarily, yet they expect people to support society when they recieve its benefits for free.

And you support this?

True, however...

Why would you want money, if you could get everything without it? Rather than a smaller percentage of people having a shitload of things, everyone has everything. That's not saying that everyone has as much as a multi-millionaire, of course, but the point still stands.
Because it's easier and more efficient to give someone working for a car factory £20,000 per year than to give them a couple of BMWs. The cars are hard to store and you can only exchange them with someone who wants a BMW, and they would devalue extremely rapidly. In short - it would reduce the economics of a country to a shambles and leave everyone both worse off and completely without a dependable income.

And you support this?

Fuck no, read those posts that I put up when Potaria claimed I was insulting him. I claimed that socialism was immoral and he started calling me a troll.

I hate socialism and communism down to their fundamental roots.

These are my posts in that thread while I was trying to discuss with you. Not only did I not insult you, I refrained while you were insulting me.

I did not flame you, I did not report you, all the while you continued to insult me and anyone else who disagreed with you.

I didn't say you flamed me, as you clearly didn't. What you did do was insult me (quite a lot, considering my situation). I don't take very kindly to that.

You said, and continue to say, that I have no intention of finding employment, and because I'm on welfare, I'm willingly idle. Of course, you didn't say that in those words exactly, but they were words to that effect.

I also acknowledged that this shit government has trapped me in this state of poverty. The argument should've ended there, really.

Fuck no, read those posts that I put up when Potaria claimed I was insulting him. I claimed that socialism was immoral and he started calling me a troll.

I hate socialism and communism down to their fundamental roots.
ok, must have missed it...

I pose a question to the parties, define freedom.

I hate socialism and communism down to their fundamental roots.

That's quite clear, but really, our government's welfare system is hardly Socialist. It's about money, rather than the people, and it shows. Oh, does it show.

I didn't say you flamed me, as you clearly didn't. What you did do was insult me (quite a lot, considering my situation). I don't take very kindly to that.

You said, and continue to say, that I have no intention of finding employment, and because I'm on welfare, I'm willingly idle. Of course, you didn't say that in those words exactly, but they were words to that effect.

I also acknowledged that this shit government has trapped me in this state of poverty. The argument should've ended there, really.

You said that, if you did find employment, you would lose your benefits. Because of this, you said that you couldn't get a job, or it would screw you and your family. I took this to mean that you had given up hope of finding a job.

I was trying to point out that the US system of welfare does encourage poverty and idleness, which was the topic of the thread, using your situation.

You said that, if you did find employment, you would lose your benefits. Because of this, you said that you couldn't get a job, or it would screw you and your family. I took this to mean that you had given up hope of finding a job.

I was trying to point out that the US system of welfare does encourage poverty and idleness, which was the topic of the thread, using your situation.

1: Yes, that's true. However, I said quite a few times that I'm looking into a marine robotics tech job, which would pay more than enough to get us out of this shithole. You still said I was content with not finding employment.

That was the real insult.

That's quite clear, but really, our government's welfare system is hardly Socialist. It's about money, rather than the people, and it shows. Oh, does it show.

Its about paying off the poor for votes, so that those elected can legislate for the lobbyists and bureaucrats. I know this. The government has been corrupt since it was created, and will be corrupt until we take all of its toys away. Socialism gives government a real big toy, and you can see what the US government is doing with it.

True, however...

Why would you want money, if you could get everything without it?
Because you can't "get everything without it," at least not on this planet. Once the barter system was eliminated and a while later when people started listening to a little thing called reason, humankind enjoyed a few centuries of unprecedented growth and technological progress. Back when we were trading resources for resources at face value, there was no progress to speak of.

Money is basically unspent labor. It allows people to exchange it at a later time for something s/he wants or needs. Without it, one would be forced to trade resources and/or labor basically on the spot for whatever the other person happened to have on hand. Economies generally don't perform very well under those circumstances.

Rather than a smaller percentage of people having a shitload of things, everyone has everything. That's not saying that everyone has as much as a multi-millionaire, of course, but the point still stands.
Right, which is why, in America, the Middle Class is far and away the largest spending demographic in the country. Communism said that the Proletariat was by definition larger than the middle and upper classes. Since this has proven to be patently untrue under [pseudo]Capitalism, i.e. in America, most of Marx's economic theories became corredpondingly worthless.

The thing a lot of people forget about Marx was that he was a political and economic theorist first, and a philosopher second. He was more scientist than moralist, and was in fact fully prepared to admit that his theory may not have been correct. He even was known to say at one point later in life: "I am not a Marxist!"

That should speak volumes.

Now, I know I'm never going to change your mind on the issue, and I'm just stating facts that some of you don't know (or refuse to know) about Communism. There are good alternatives to it, of course, that are still quite Capitalist (Democratic Socialism being the standard).

I wouldn't mind a system like that, though it wouldn't be what I really want.
I've actually read the Manifesto although it was some time ago, admittedly. Needless to say, I wasn't particularly impressed, but in fairness I probably ought to read Das Kapital for the real meat and bones of it.

1: Yes, that's true. However, I said quite a few times that I'm looking into a marine robotics tech job, which would pay more than enough to get us out of this shithole. You still said I was content with not finding employment.

That was the real insult.

I believe that you posted that information after I tried to make my point originally. If I am incorrect about that, or if I continued to say that you were willfully idle after hearing that, I apologize. Subject dropped.

I pose a question to the parties, define freedom.

free market, chance to succed or fail, in abortion freedom to the fetus over the parent, parents should always put their child first if you ask me, freedom to know you won't be killed if you fall ill, freedom to own guns, but with tight regulation and security check, freedom to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm others or break the law. freedom to believe what you want through a democratic system.

I pose a question to the parties, define freedom.

Autonomy

I pose a question to the parties, define freedom.
Freedom is man's ease of [or Right to] rational action and/or thought in a social or political context.

Because you can't "get everything without it," at least not on this planet. Once the barter system was eliminated and a while later when people started listening to a little thing called reason, humankind enjoyed a few centuries of unprecedented growth and technological progress. Back when we were trading resources for resources at face value, there was no progress to speak of.

True, and that's why Communism needs the Capitalist economic system in its early stages. That's not to say that manufacturing will just cease, as it won't, but unnecessary products will definitely cease to exist. Now, that doesn't mean you won't be able to get a case of beer, a guitar, a new computer, or a nicer stereo system. It just means that there won't be so many products that are almost exactly the same.

Money is basically unspent labor. It allows people to exchange it at a later time for something s/he wants or needs. Without it, one would be forced to trade resources and/or labor basically on the spot for whatever the other person happened to have on hand. Economies generally don't perform very well under those circumstances.

Exactly. But, there's really no economy to speak of in this system, so...

Right, which is why, in America, the Middle Class is far and away the largest spending demographic in the country. Communism said that the Proletariat was by definition larger than the middle and upper classes. Since this has proven to be patently untrue under [pseudo]Capitalism, i.e. in America, most of Marx's economic theories became corredpondingly worthless.

You know, not all of us think that Marx was right about everything. He certainly wasn't right about this. :p

The thing a lot of people forget about Marx was that he was a political and economic theorist first, and a philosopher second. He was more scientist than moralist, and was in fact fully prepared to admit that his theory may not have been correct. He even was known to say at one point later in life: "I am not a Marxist!"

That should speak volumes.

It does, which is one of the main reasons I'm not a Marxist! Even though his theory gave birth to Communism, it doesn't make it the be-all, end-all system. There are better ways than his.

I've actually read the Manifesto although it was some time ago, admittedly. Needless to say, I wasn't particularly impressed, but in fairness I probably ought to read Das Kapital for the real meat and bones of it.

I'll have to see about Das Kapital as well... Not too sure if my library has it, or if I can even get there. :p

I pose a question to the parties, define freedom.

The ability to do whatever you want with yourself, and others, if you wish.

NS Conservative Party Of course. :) :) :)

-snip-
There you go, stealing my thunder by largely agreeing with me. Dammitall.

I think I've had my fill for now... I haven't done any hardcore debating in a long time. It's taken it out of me!

I'll be back, of course.

The ability to do whatever you want with yourself, and others, if you wish.
Ummm.... "the ability to do whatever you want with others?!" How can making other people do what you want possibly be called 'freedom?'

That's not freedom, that's coercion.

Oh dear... I missed the trick here a little... Plese vote ESP
No other party would have instructions placed in underwear
No other party guarantees to make your life just a little more trivial
No other party will refer to everyone as "Peter" before violently sneezing all over them
So vote ESP... You know you want to.....of course youdo... dont struggle... dont fight it.... it's easier this way... trust us. Were politicians.

There you go, stealing my thunder by largely agreeing with me. Dammitall.

Hahahaha! Victory is MINE! :p

Isn't it nice to know that I'm not a shallow Marxist?

Ummm.... "the ability to do whatever you want with others?!" How can making other people do what you want possibly be called 'freedom?'

That's not freedom, that's coercion.

Heh, I think you missed what I was really implying, dude...

*wink wink, nudge nudge*

Of course, S&M isn't out of the question. :p

Hahahaha! Victory is MINE! :p
Says you! :D

Isn't it nice to know that I'm not a shallow Marxist?
Yes. Yes it is.

Heh, I think you missed what I was really implying, dude...

*wink wink, nudge nudge*

Of course, S&M isn't out of the question. :p
Ahhh... say no more, say no more!

UDCP gets my vote

Oh dear... I missed the trick here a little... Plese vote ESP
No other party would have instructions placed in underwear
No other party guarantees to make your life just a little more trivial
No other party will refer to everyone as "Peter" before violently sneezing all over them
So vote ESP... You know you want to.....of course youdo... dont struggle... dont fight it.... it's easier this way... trust us. Were politicians.
Do not worry! Myself, and my fairly esteemed colleague Tribes of Longton, have been furthering the cause of silliness in the course of this election. I think I can safely say that voting is currently exceeding all of our expectations, as we actually have more than 0 votes. We are, at the moment of typing, the joint 4th most popular party! That's better than the National Socialist Party of Germany in 1930...and look where they were 3 years later.
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EDIT: We are now the sole 4th most popular party...ahead of the *cough*policystealing*cough* NBIP.
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Says you! :D


Yes. Yes it is.

1: You're right, I did say it! Somebody's god, man, you must have ESPN!

2: Good. That's a load off my back!

...Alright, that second one didn't sound too pleasant.

Ahhh... say no more, say no more!

*looks both ways*

...What's it like?

:p Okay, enough Python antics for me... Enough forum for me right now. Madden 2006 is calling.

Sweet zombie Jesus says you should all vote ESP - An Insane Choice for an Insane World.

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Vote for the Emphatically Silly Party...don't make him shoot the kitten.
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Oh dear... I missed the trick here a little... Plese vote ESP
No other party would have instructions placed in underwear
No other party guarantees to make your life just a little more trivial
No other party will refer to everyone as "Peter" before violently sneezing all over them
So vote ESP... You know you want to.....of course youdo... dont struggle... dont fight it.... it's easier this way... trust us. Were politicians.
Well, that did it. Now I know who to vote for.

All hail the hamsters, and the apples they're bringing! And for eating them with me! /bad ABBA imitation

I pose a question to the parties, define freedom.

Freedom is having your fundamental rights upheld as being far more important than the rights of a small number to accumulate senseless profit from your labour. Freedom is knowing that you live in a society which will ensure you have enough food, water, a home, medical care and overall decent living conditions so that you may pursue your goals and interests freely. Freedom is not being enslaved to the inhumane profit-driven system called capitalism.

Freedom is living in a society which hasn't got its priorities back to front, and which treats you like a human being, not like a piece of machinery to be squeezed for an extra drop of needless profit.

Vote for freedom. Vote for social rights, and social responsability.
VOTE UDCP!

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Vote for the E S P

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I voted DSP, though they're more like social democrats than democratic socialist... pity.

I voted DSP, though they're more like social democrats than democratic socialist... pity.
Pfft, People Front of Judea. We're the Judean People's Front.

Or vice versa, I forget.

I'm torn between the Brit party, the NS Clasical Liberals and the ESP.

Does that make me a bad person?

Oh, one other thing- if a nation votes for a party it means that is the dominant party for that nation right? Kind of like the Baath Party was multinational?

Does that mean the power blocs here are going to go to war against each other?

I'm torn between the Brit party, the NS Clasical Liberals and the ESP.

Does that make me a bad person?
VOTE ESP - WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE MAKING, AND IT INVOLVES NESQUICK

Oh, one other thing- if a nation votes for a party it means that is the dominant party for that nation right? Kind of like the Baath Party was multinational?

Does that mean the power blocs here are going to go to war against each other?

No, no, no... not at all. :) You're in the General forum; you're yourself here, not your nation.

SMASH CAPITALI$M NOW!

Balls, no Anti-Idiot Party? Oh, well.

We're in the lead! w0oT! Watching Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas does wonders for your political career!
Obviously there are many NSers who wish to dedicate their lives to silliness...
Just wondering...with the inevitable coalition that will form at the end of this election, who wants to join the ESP to rule NS?

Vote for the ESP and receive A FREE Lunch, unlike those other parties.

Balls, no Anti-Idiot Party? Oh, well.
Sure there is. The Reason Party. :p

Vote for the ESP and receive A FREE Lunch, unlike those other parties.
And a cookie!

Given that the ESP encourage 'laughter', isn't about time they got some jokes of their own?

Given that the ESP encourage 'laughter', isn't about time they got some jokes of their own?
Dude, we've just created a fantastic joke - the ESP are currently winning this election. And anyway, we never said you have to laugh at us...

Sure there is. The Reason Party. :p

Heh, I'll have to pass, a little too isolationist for my tastes - militarily that is - and I don't like the whole "no taxes" idea. Massive abuse of power to gain necessary funds might result, e.g. the police force suddenly reducing all speed limits by twenty miles an hour to collect a bunch of extra ticket money. Sorry.

Surely this joke is being created by the voters, not you? And it seems a little silly to promise to 'put a greater emphasis' on laughter, and then steal 35-year-old jokes...

Surely this joke is being created by the voters, not you? And it seems a little silly to promise to 'put a greater emphasis' on laughter, and then steal 35-year-old jokes...
But it works!

Heh, I'll have to pass, a little too isolationist for my tastes - militarily that is - and I don't like the whole "no taxes" idea. Massive abuse of power to gain necessary funds might result, e.g. the police force suddenly reducing all speed limits by twenty miles an hour to collect a bunch of extra ticket money. Sorry.
You know Melkor could keep them in line.

I voted for the Classic Liberals out of protest for the fact that the only left-wing parties are extremists.

I feel like I've sold my soul... :(

But it works!

Not really. It seems that swamped in the midst of the hugely enjoyable but in many ways utterly ridiculous swamp that is General, the genuinely humourous would be able to whip up a couple of original jokes. Monty Python was mocking to a large extent both the stiffness and sobriety - or perception thereof - of British society at that point, and the way that filtered through to and indeed governed its television, and above all its televised comedy. That sort of comedy largely expired with the end of Python. Isn't it time to move on, and try for something fresh? Being silly loses its very essence if it's repeated ad nauseam: things are only silly while they are meaningless and fresh. Once they're seated in a common frame of reference, they cease to be so. It just seems like by recycling old ideas, you're actually proving detrimental to the (wholly worthy) cause of being well and truly silly.

(And yes, I appreciate that under 3 and 4 of your manifesto, I am in for a royal shit-kicking now.)

I voted for the Classic Liberals out of protest for the fact that the only left-wing parties are extremists.

I feel like I've sold my soul... :(

The Democratic Socialist Party is hardly "extremist."

Read their manifesto.

The ESP and the Reason party are tied. Oh, the irony...

"Sillyness is only such as long as it's meaningless and fresh."- Gruenberg
That's a damn good quote, well somewhat modified.

Vote for the ESP, what's the worst that could happen?

The Democratic Socialist Party is hardly "extremist."

Read their manifesto.

To quote them they beleive in a "socialist state", which is something I don't support. I'm a capitalist, for all that I approve of some welfare within the realms of the reasonable and in regulating the market to protect the worker and prevent abuse by businesses.

too late/tired for a debate, but i'll just say VOTE UDCP!

Huh, the ESP and the Reason Party are still tied.

Huh, the ESP and the Reason Party are still tied.
Yeah, I find that fact slightly irritating, even though I'm in the lead. I'd much rather be tied with a party that had, you know, an ethos. Seriously, I don't know why Arridia lets these joke parties run.

Yeah, I find that fact slightly irritating, even though I'm in the lead. I'd much rather be tied with a party that had, you know, an ethos. Seriously, I don't know why Arridia lets these joke parties run.

I think they do have an ethos: a devotion to being silly. I just don't think they're very good at it.

I think they do have an ethos: a devotion to being silly. I just don't think they're very good at it.
Yeah, that'll accomplish a lot. Lets get things done by acting like idiots. :rolleyes:

Udcp

Yeah, that'll accomplish a lot. Lets get things done by acting like idiots. :rolleyes:

[joke suggesting that $political_leader/group already act(s) like idiots]

I don't approve of them, but it's along the same lines as the Monster Raving Loony Party in Great Britain. I can only assume the general idea is that by creating something dedicated to being silly, it can occasionally cast satirical light on matters. For example, the Monster Raving Loony Party proposed extending licensing hours in order to cut drinking. Which is silly. Then the Labour party adopts it as government policy. Which is now shown up as being especially silly. I appreciate that most people are capable of working this out in their own right, but it just helps cast an edge for some. All the silly ideas can be shovelled into manageable package; the rest of us can get on with debating gun control and banning abortions.

I'm stuck between the Democratic Socialist Party and the NS Classic Liberal Party.

I'm not a classic liberal but rather a social liberal/liberal democrat/modern liberal.
Basically a center-left liberal.

That would put me somewhere in between the NS Classic Liberal party and the Democratic Socialist Party.

The DSP is a bit too far off to the left for me... I'll go with the liberals.

To quote them they beleive in a "socialist state", which is something I don't support. I'm a capitalist, for all that I approve of some welfare within the realms of the reasonable and in regulating the market to protect the worker and prevent abuse by businesses.

But they aren't serious about it, except in the "social market" sense.

They basically advocate the social democratic model.

Will this be treated as a parliament with coalitions to gain a majority?

Fancy seeing you here, Sarc. :)

I have placed my vote with the Reason Party. Reason is the only sovereign.

Will this be treated as a parliament with coalitions to gain a majority?

There'll only be a coalition if some parties want to form one. There was none last time. It isn't absolutely necessary: decisions can be made by a majority vote.


Yeah, I find that fact slightly irritating, even though I'm in the lead. I'd much rather be tied with a party that had, you know, an ethos. Seriously, I don't know why Arridia lets these joke parties run.

I'm not happy about it myself, but banning them wouldn't be very democratic. I find it a rather sad reflexion on people's political interest/awareness that they're actually voting for them, but at least it reflects what the voters want to choose...

I'm not happy about it myself, but banning them wouldn't be very democratic. I find it a rather sad reflexion on people's political interest/awareness that they're actually voting for them, but at least it reflects what the voters want to choose...
Hey, almost 30% of the vote has gone to the less serious parties. Don't target us and forget the others. At least we only want to introduce the strong possibility of silliness occuring within the forum everyday - that Moley party want us all to get subterranean.

And don't for get about the NBIP...we're not exactly a serious party, are we? Just relax and enjoy the silliness of the election. I mean, it is only a game, and there is no real power, after all...

The New British Imperialist Party

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Do you REALLY want the Socialists to come to power? Are you REALLY in favour of a totalitarian dictatorship in the General Forums? Are the Liberals and the Conservatives just too boring for you? Do you Love your Country?

If so, then join the NBIP. We believe in a strong forum, with a large defense budget, the restoration of the Monarchy, and above all, the required drinking of Tea and moaning about the weather!

Do your Forum, and your Country right, by voting NBIP!

Bugger.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: Democracy just doesn't work!

Yes will you all stop knocking the ESP and similar parties. We have just as much right to our opinion as you do to yours. And if that means we want to leap and sing from rooftops and ban bingo than that is democracy. To those who poo-poo our efforts, please take note that we are currently second in the runnings...although we didn't quite expect to be there.. woot.

Yeah, that'll accomplish a lot. Lets get things done by acting like idiots. :rolleyes:

As opposed to communism, which an unrivalled success story...

As opposed to communism, which an unrivalled success story...

He's right you know.


Everyone, abandon your serious lives and...

*drum roll please*

Vote for the Emphatically Silly Party

(And yes, I appreciate that under 3 and 4 of your manifesto, I am in for a royal shit-kicking now.)

Yes you are I'm afraid. I'll fetch my rubber gloves.

Yes you are I'm afraid. I'll fetch my rubber gloves.

*Laughs maniacally*

Oh the silliness! :fluffle:

Do not worry! Myself, and my fairly esteemed colleague Tribes of Longton, have been furthering the cause of silliness in the course of this election. I think I can safely say that voting is currently exceeding all of our expectations, as we actually have more than 0 votes. We are, at the moment of typing, the joint 4th most popular party! That's better than the National Socialist Party of Germany in 1930...and look where they were 3 years later.
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EDIT: We are now the sole 4th most popular party...ahead of the *cough*policystealing*cough* NBIP.
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Thankyou all! TO ALL ESP MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS. A thread has been set up for your convenience by me on the general forum... please do get involved...
We're also now the 2nd most popular party.. just one vote behind the reason party. Tinned Peaces all round!

I'm back! Ooooh...sparkly...
To those claiming that the ESP is not a serious party, may I just remind you that you are voting in an essentially fictional election, for fictional power that the Mods could quite easily overrule at any time. For example, if the ESP gains power and decides, for silliness's sake, to start a multitude of spam threads, I don't think the Mods would look kindly on that...
Now, vote ESP, or die in a horrendously silly way at the hands of Colin the hamster.

Vote UDCP!

Thankyou all! TO ALL ESP MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS. A thread has been set up for your convenience by me on the general forum... please do get involved...
We're also now the 2nd most popular party.. just one vote behind the reason party. Tinned Peaces all round!

I thought it was peaches...

*starts to hand out peaches whilst blowing loud trumpet*

Vote UDCP!

No, don't. Because we hand out free peaches!! Woot! ;)

No, don't. Because we hand out free peaches!! Woot! ;)

Yes, do. We, the UDCP, hand out free booze and weed. :p

Yes, do. We, the UDCP, hand out free booze and weed. :p

Well, seeing you're communists you're better off handing it out free since you've taken everyone's money off them so they could hardly buy it themselves.

Whereas we sponsor the free peaches program out of our own money (looks in pocket and sees that there's only £5 left). Not the people's money. Woot!

Die, communist "!$£^&*(@~{}?>~##846-0927's!

Yes, do. We, the UDCP, hand out free booze and weed. :p
Ah, bribing the electorate, eh? I do declare this election has turned into none other than a dirty tricks campaign! Which I'm going to join :D
Vote ESP, and receive a free turkey* at Christmas!
Join ESP, and receive, erm...*discusses with seperate personalities*...and receive unconditional love from the party leader, the benevolent Carops!








*Turkey may or may not be dead. The ESP cannot be held liable for any mental or physical trauma brought on by attempting to end the life of any turkey delivered alive. This does not affect your statutory rights, except the one about free speech. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

But if you do, can I have some? lol. Oh yeah, forgot, I don't need drugs to be silly! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Ah, bribing the electorate, eh? I do declare this election has turned into none other than a dirty tricks campaign! Which I'm going to join :D
Vote ESP, and receive a free turkey* at Christmas!
Join ESP, and receive, erm...*discusses with seperate personalities*...and receive unconditional love from the party leader, the benevolent Carops!




*Turkey may or may not be dead. The ESP cannot be held liable for any mental or physical trauma brought on by attempting to end the life of any turkey delivered alive. This does not affect your statutory rights, except the one about free speech. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

There's a whole lot of Carops to go around...
But, on a more serious and ultimately far more concerning note, if you don't vote ESP, I'm afraid its all over for you. All of it. You might even get our friend Colin sent to you in a box...

Yes, do. We, the UDCP, hand out free booze and weed. :p
i love my party :p

LMAO! :fluffle:

Well, seeing you're communists you're better off handing it out free since you've taken everyone's money off them so they could hardly buy it themselves.

Whereas we sponsor the free peaches program out of our own money (looks in pocket and sees that there's only £5 left). Not the people's money. Woot!

Die, communist "!$£^&*(@~{}?>~##846-0927's!

We are simply distributing our own stockpiles of booze and weed for the benefit of the community. Because we're nice like that. :p

Ah, bribing the electorate, eh? I do declare this election has turned into none other than a dirty tricks campaign! Which I'm going to join :D
Vote ESP, and receive a free turkey* at Christmas!
Join ESP, and receive, erm...*discusses with seperate personalities*...and receive unconditional love from the party leader, the benevolent Carops!

I'm not bribing. I'm just distributing booze and weed while wearing my uber-seksay UDCP shirt. Since when is it a crime to distribute booze and weed near a polling booth? Outrageous. Hmph.

;)

We are simply distributing our own stockpiles of booze and weed for the benefit of the community. Because we're nice like that. :p



I'm not bribing. I'm just distributing booze and weed while wearing my uber-seksay UDCP shirt. Since when is it a crime to distribute booze and weed near a polling booth? Outrageous. Hmph.

;)
I don't know how elections work over there in Oz, but here in the UK, we like to do things more traditionally...ie. not bribing the voters.

i love my party :p

Me too! :D

i love my party :p

We all love you *comes within touching distance of Pure Metal*
Here... have this *election ham... *runs off*

*Ham may not in fact be ham or any form of processed meat. Ham may, in fact, not be edible. Should you injest ham and suffer severe abdominal pains shortly afterwards consult mortician.

I don't know how elections work over there in Oz, but here in the UK, we like to do things more traditionally...ie. not bribing the voters.

OK, OK, you're right. We'll give them a tax cut instead.

:p

OK, OK, you're right. We'll give them a tax cut instead.

:p

Communists proposing a tax cut? Have I gone into some parallel universe? Next the Nazis will be allowing Jewish members...

Communists proposing a tax cut? Have I gone into some parallel universe? Next the Nazis will be allowing Jewish members...

Sure, there's no tax under our system.

Sure, there's no tax under our system.

Let me ask... How the %7*$ does that work?

mm ham... yummy *rolls up & smokes*

ah, good ham :D

mm ham... yummy *rolls up & smokes*

ah, good ham :D

Ooooh I'd soo make that illegal if we won *longing*

Let me ask... How the %7*$ does that work?

No money. Products are valued by the labour put into them.

Heres what the NS Conservative Party can do for you:

- Lower taxes
- Lower Crime
- Lower Government waste
- More Personal freedom
- More religious freedom
- And a free cookie

So vote for us today, for a better tomorrow

Change will occur and we will be it's proponent.

NS Conservative Party

Good sirs, I beseech you to vote for the NBIP, and instigate a new period of gloroius imperialism and quitissentially Britsh dominance.

What will the RTP do for you?

-Lower taxes for the workers and raise them for the rich
-Increase the minimum wage to an acceptable level
-Put an end to imperialist wars and costly military spending
-Give your entire family a free education
-Protect you from the far-right extremists
-Increase your civil liberties
-Fight against capitalism by any means necessary

VOTE RTP

Vote NBIP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443192)!

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God save the Queen!

-Fight against capitalism by any means necessary

whats wrong with capitalism, it lets inteligent people succeed and people that don't care and are lazy fail.

and don't start going off about workers rights, cus if they were smart they'd get a better job... just remember that.

and we're all for giving people education and health care... so its not just communists. we're for lowering taxes. so don't make out that you're so different. capitalism has been shown to work, communsism has been shown to fail, because it simply cannot be instated.

and british imperialist party, we're all for keeping traditions too, I'm british and a keen supporter of monarchy, so you ain't exactly that different either.

whats wrong with capitalism, it lets inteligent people succeed and people that don't care and are lazy fail.

yeah the world is really that simple, honest and black & white :rolleyes:
get real :rolleyes:


there's plenty wrong with capitalism... if only i could be arsed to rant about it now (yet again)


and don't forget, of primary importance to a communist is the drive for equality... and what you just said flies straight in the face of that.

Vote SDP

and don't start going off about workers rights, cus if they were smart they'd get a better job... just remember that.
And it's always that simple, huh? There are no one who would hire a man over a woman just 'cause he's a man, or hire a white person over... any other skincolour just 'cause he's white? So everyone are tolerant, and have no prejudices at all?

And anyone who's smart, no matter where they come from, what god they pray to/don't pray to, or where they went to school can make an excellent living?

Smart people from the mid-east might be forced to clean floors for a living. Dumb white people might become millionaires thanks to a 'singing career' based on looks, which in turn is based on plastic surgery. Isn't this the case from time to time? Or do everyone deserve what they do for a living?

The one thing that binds all people, from all cultures, is sillyness. Vote ESP.

whats wrong with capitalism, it lets inteligent people succeed and people that don't care and are lazy fail.

and don't start going off about workers rights, cus if they were smart they'd get a better job... just remember that.


I'm glad you've just admitted your excessively simplistic views to the voters, so that everyone could take note.

Vote UDCP!

hahaha pwned

Can I change my vote? I want to vote for Melkor, but I had already voted for the classic liberals before I noticed that he was not some dang populist (what kind of name is 'reason party'?).

Can I change my vote? I want to vote for Melkor, but I had already voted for the classic liberals before I noticed that he was not some dang populist (what kind of name is 'reason party'?).

Sure, we'll just let you put your hand right back in that ballot box and fish out your ticket. Or maybe you'd simply like to vote twice?

:p

Can I change my vote? I want to vote for Melkor, but I had already voted for the classic liberals before I noticed that he was not some dang populist (what kind of name is 'reason party'?).

Sorry, no. Votes are anonymous, so we have no way of knowing who voted what in the first place.

And it's always that simple, huh? There are no one who would hire a man over a woman just 'cause he's a man, or hire a white person over... any other skincolour just 'cause he's white?

There probably are people who do that, and there is no one who does not have prejudice. But so what? That's just part of the way people see the world. Either the people discriminating against "minorities" use a crude but effective way of getting the best workers, or they make worse choices than others, in which case they make a loss and will quit.

If you think that you can do better, then just start a firm and do it. If you make a profit everyone will see that your ideas actually works. That's the beuty of capitalism, everyone has a chance. In all other systems, only those ideas that are approved of the leaders will get through, and there's no reason to think that that will be the best ones.

whats wrong with capitalism, it lets inteligent people succeed and people that don't care and are lazy fail.
So what about those who are intelligent and don't care and are lazy? Or those who aren't intelligent but do care and aren't lazy?

Vote SDP
That's got to be the least enthusiastic balloting I've ever seen. :P

That's the beuty of capitalism, everyone has a chance.

I hope - but doubt - you realise the inherent contradiction of what you're saying. Specifically, of that in comparison with the rest of your post.

Can we kindly ask the democratic socialist party to stop winning?

I voted for the Emphatically Silly Party. One question though why are we doing this?

I voted for the Emphatically Silly Party. On question though why are we doing this?
Good on ya! And who knows? Something to do with...actually, I have no clue.

Can we kindly ask the democratic socialist party to stop winning?
Seconded. It's just not good sportsmanship.

I voted for the Emphatically Silly Party. On question though why are we doing this?

I support the Emphatically Silly Party. However, given that I support them it would be highly sensible and practical to vote for them, so I'm going to have to vote for the Mole alliance.

I voted for the Emphatically Silly Party. One question though why are we doing this?

Meh who really knows
Congratulations Latagon! You're voter no. 27! Please accept this "Election Ham" on behalf of the party!

*Ham may not infact be ham or any form of meat product. Do not consume. If "ham" should be injested and persistant rash appears, consult a mortician.

I voted for the Emphatically Silly Party. One question though why are we doing this?

The existing NS General Parliament will be renewed through the results of this election. Its 25 members will make decisions based on principle (which, of course, won't actually be applied anywhere in practice). It's giving structure to political debate, in a sense.

I support the Emphatically Silly Party. However, given that I support them it would be highly sensible and practical to vote for them, so I'm going to have to vote for the Mole alliance.

Neh good choice.... *ponders*

I support the Emphatically Silly Party. However, given that I support them it would be highly sensible and practical to vote for them, so I'm going to have to vote for the Mole alliance.
Well, so long as you don't vote for the Reason Party or the DSP.
Congratulations Latagon! You're voter no. 27! Please accept this "Election Ham" on behalf of the party!
Hang on, I already said I was going to give people who voted for us a turkey...

Hang on, I already said I was going to give people who voted for us a turkey...

I know but we really need to get rid of this "ham" *shifty eyes* If customs knew....

Woo! We're up into joint second place!

Thank you to all those who are voting UDCP!

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