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Living in a squathouse is definitely punk too.
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I end my message by: "free beer for the punks!"
I wanna have your children!

dude. punk is about thinking for yourself. and quite honestly, if some kid is reading this and suddendly changes his/her opinion because of what they read that's stupid. PUNK just like straight edge isnt about rules. THERE IS NO CONFORMITY. its about being yourself.

politics are frequently associated with punk, but they don't need to be. that's just because many punk bands ARE political. my punk band is pretty much not political at all. we areabout being true to yourself and being there for your friends and not letting anyone or anything control you.

THAT is what punk is.


and seriously "capitalism doesnt care about the little guy" boo hoo. im a little guy too. but if you're gonna use your position as an excuse i look down on you. you have to learn and work hard and you wont be a little man anymore. and think about, did stalin care about the millions of "little guys" he murdered? HAHA. in a socialist-communist society EVERYONE is the little guy except the dictator.

DEMOCRACY is the best system for the welfare of everyone.. don't blame our system. blame the leaders... it's THEIR FAULT.

oh and thanks for bring this up. now i've got some great ideas for some lyrics.

and i never said how NOT punk gc is. gc can s my d.

I guess nobody could bring themselves to read Graffin's manifesto. Shame, because it's probably the best document out there on the subject.

The punk lifestyle is that of being yourself.

The music is in some way politically charged.

"Punk ain't no religious cult/punk is thinking for yourself/you ain't hardcore cause you spike your hair/when a joke lives inside your head."
---Jello Biafra

Punk is simple rock music made in response to bloated, commercial rock.

It doesn't have to be political or made by guys who smell with safety pins through their eyebrows.

That's usually part of it. Hip-hop is punk that's not afraid of making money in my opinion.

I guess nobody could bring themselves to read Graffin's manifesto. Shame, because it's probably the best document out there on the subject.

Gaffin's manifesto is a good read, no doubt, but not one I think truly reflects the ideals of punk as a unified idea, so much as his own ideals. Really, there are no rules to punk, because that would limit the very idea of non-conformism.

If there is any Punk Manifesto, one need look back farther than punk itself goes.

"Above all else, to thine own self be true." - Hamlet

That's usually part of it. Hip-hop is punk that's not afraid of making money in my opinion.

That arguement could extend to say all rock is punk (as the 'hip-hop mentality' is basically the same as most rockers had until at least the end of the 70s), which is obviously flawed.

Some hip-hop can fit in with punk, but the ones who focus on empire building are far removed from it.

"Punk ain't no religious cult/punk is thinking for yourself/you ain't hardcore cause you spike your hair/when a joke lives inside your head."
---Jello Biafra

Correction: "When a jock's soul lives inside your head." ;)

Or is it "When a jock still..." ?

Meh.

EDIT- Yeah, "When a jock still lives inside your head".

My bad, typing screw up. Regardless, to each their own. Saying that someone can't read this and change their mind is stupid too. IF you hear something you like listen to it. If you read something you agree with, then you agree with it. Being a close-minded squash monger is stupid.

alright, there was some person a few pages back who said that there was more variation to punk then there is to jazz and all i have to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

alright, there was some person a few pages back who said that there was more variation to punk then there is to jazz and all i have to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Punk Rock has an insane amount of sub-genres. If there's not more variation, there's just as much.

alright, there was some person a few pages back who said that there was more variation to punk then there is to jazz and all i have to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Well... Then more the fool you. I would say that musically, there enough different styles that fall under the category "punk" with enough large differences to put jazz to shame. Most of them might not also really qualify as styles played by non-conformists, but most have at least one representative.

Just as two very different examples:

- Hardcore punk: Fast tempo, primarily in 2/4, with vocalist on melody and guitar on harmony. Traditionally very square rhythms. Ensembles normally are guitar (s), Bass, Drums, and vocals. Very heavy, rough sound.

- Ska Punk: Fast style, with less of a time signature constrain. Vocalist has melody, except when brass/sax's have it. Guitar is much less emphasized. Rhythms can be quite syncopated. Ensembles are guitar, bass, drums, vocals, and winds (I've seen trumpets, trombones, saxs of all sorts of different pitches, and tubas.... Well... Maybe not tubas, but the rest is true.). Much lighter sound.

Big contrast, no?

Just as two very different examples:

- Hardcore punk: Fast tempo, primarily in 2/4, with vocalist on melody and guitar on harmony. Traditionally very square rhythms. Ensembles normally are guitar (s), Bass, Drums, and vocals. Very heavy, rough sound.

- Ska Punk: Fast style, with less of a time signature constrain. Vocalist has melody, except when brass/sax's have it. Guitar is much less emphasized. Rhythms can be quite syncopated. Ensembles are guitar, bass, drums, vocals, and winds (I've seen trumpets, trombones, saxs of all sorts of different pitches, and tubas.... Well... Maybe not tubas, but the rest is true.). Much lighter sound.

Big contrast, no?

A tiny contrast when compared to the differences between the Original Dixieland Jazz Band, Ornette Coleman, the AMM, Billie Holliday and John McLaughlin - to pick five at random.

in the words of greg graffen;

"punk is the personal expression of uniqueness that comes from growing up in touch with our human ability to reason and ask questions."

says it all, really.