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I thought it might be nice to have an LGBT community. Anyone is welcome, meaning you don't have to be of any specific sexual orientation.

I feel it would just be helpful to have a group of people, friendly to the LGBT community, band together to organize against discrimination against us here on NS and elsewhere. We could also help each other out with personal problems and whatnot. We could share news and stuff like links to petitions that support our evil agenda :p

Does anyone else here think it would be a good idea?

Do you have any ideas to add?

Maybe an online zine that we are all reporters for. We could write articles and post cartoons and whatnot. I dunno, just trying to make it fun as well as helpful.

Just express that you are definitely interested and I'll add you to the list here:


MEMBERS

- Siull
- Lyric
- Bolol
- Zagat
- Doujin

- Joesia
- Eichen
- Avolon
- Mikshu
- Nadkor

- Vetalia
- Caselia
- Muntoo
- Avynne
- Vaitupu

- Leeston
- Jordaxia
- Rotovia-
- Sarzonia
- Keruvalia

- Feraulaer
- The Nazz
- Ardchoille
- Gollumidas
- Keynesites

- Stephistan
- Arkanaland
- Stumpneria
- Dobbsworld
- Lovely Boys

- New-Avalon
- The Mindset
- Saoirse Stat
- It Is Just Me
- UpwardThrust

- Messy Tequila
- The Stars End
- CthulhuFhtagn
- Teh World Tree
- The Blackmoore

- Displaced Lights
- The Bear Empire
- Nautilus-Syberia
- HowTheDeadLive
- SuperQueensland

- Sumamba Buwhan
- The Similized world
- Agnostic Deeishpeople

If you wish to join the region we are gathering in, it is "Island Of The Moon" (if you don't want to move your main nation you could always use a puppet) and the password is "lgbt".

SINUHUE ENDORSES THIS THREAD!
**NOTE: The other (original) thread was moved to gameplay because the mods mistook jokes about attacking other countries as roleplay. This is the new official LGBT Army thread**

I'm down--I'm all about hanging with teh gay. :D

I'm all for supporting other people, but I have to admit, the 'militant' and 'army' bit are kinda outside my comfort zone. Can I be a non-militant supportor?

I like the Millitant and Army stuff.

I'm indifferent about the Gay part.

But it's got Millitant and Army in it.

So I wanna join.

I'm all for supporting other people, but I have to admit, the 'militant' and 'army' bit are kinda outside my comfort zone. Can I be a non-militant supportor?
I bet the uniforms will kick ass.

I'm all for supporting other people, but I have to admit, the 'militant' and 'army' bit are kinda outside my comfort zone. Can I be a non-militant supportor?


You can be whatever you want. The title is to be taken as a joke. You want in you are in, nothing is required of any of our members.

I like the Millitant and Army stuff.

I'm indifferent about the Gay part.

But it's got Millitant and Army in it.

So I wanna join.

Indifference is all we ask.

You wanna kick ass and chew bubblegum? We won't stop you.

I bet the uniforms will kick ass.

http://www.alcazar-fan.de/29841299.jpg

I had already floated an idea in the original thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442863&page=1&pp=15). :D

Count me in! Now where to start our subversive insurgency?

http://www.alcazar-fan.de/29841299.jpg

I had already floated an idea in the original thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442863&page=1&pp=15). :D
OOoh--gold Tron shin guards. I am so in.

You can be whatever you want. The title is to be taken as a joke. You want in you are in, nothing is required of any of our members.
Ok then...it's so much better when everyone is in... ;)

OOoh--gold Tron shin guards. I am so in.

Although, I do like the shiny helmets in this video (http://www.alcazarworld.com/video.asp??mainId=19&secId=22&subId=40).

They do have a nifty song (http://www.alcazarworld.com/video.asp?mainId=19&secId=22&subId=47) they did for Stockholm Pride some time ago, too. :p

Count me in

I am a member of this organization, but will only stay so if Fass can be my general advisor and fashion coordinator.

After all, I was thinking of uniforms like this ....

http://princewilliamstamps.com/newsweek-cover-june26-2000.jpg

Oops ... maybe I've said too much ....

I am a member of this organization, but will only stay so if Fass can be my general advisor and fashion coordinator.

After all, I was thinking of uniforms like this ....
http://princewilliamstamps.com/newsweek-cover-june26-2000.jpg

Oops ... maybe I've said too much ....

:eek:

You people afflicted with even the teensiest bit of heterosexuality just don't know the difference between fabulous tack-o-rama, and just plain old tacky. Not to worry, I shall lead through the maze of fashion faux pas.

:eek:

You people afflicted with even the teensiest bit of heterosexuality just don't know the difference between faboulous tack-o-rama, and just plain old tacky.

Quiet, you. :p

(I found that dead sexy)







































(and very gay)

:eek:

You people afflicted with even the teensiest bit of heterosexuality just don't know the difference between faboulous tack-o-rama, and just plain old tacky. Not to worry, I shall lead through the maze of fashion faux pas.
Hahaha! I feel like such an outsider :p

I hope the army HQ won't mind too much if I stick to my boots, studs & mohawk?

Quiet, you. :p

(I found that dead sexy)

(and very gay)

That's royalty for ya.

Hahaha! I feel like such an outsider :p

I hope the army HQ won't mind too much if I stick to my boots, studs & mohawk?

People wouldn't know how many gay people fit that description! All are welcome.

That's royalty for ya.

No ... not all Royalty ... just Prince William (unwittingly gay fashion).

Most other royalty is terminally straight ... even Prince Charles in a kilt is sad and mildly alarming.

All right, sign me up.

No ... not all Royalty ... just Prince William (unwittingly gay fashion).

Most other royalty is terminally straight ... even Prince Charles in a kilt is sad and mildly alarming.

Hey, they're not the only Royalty! Look historically, and look to all those mainland (mostly German) princes. Charles is but a temporary non-blip on the gaydar. Even though Camilla is pretty butch, if you ask me...

:eek:

You people afflicted with even the teensiest bit of heterosexuality just don't know the difference between fabulous tack-o-rama, and just plain old tacky. Not to worry, I shall lead through the maze of fashion faux pas.

"you people"? :p

Actually you are right and I would like you to be my fashion coordinator as well

Yay.

What's a good bisexual look? Something that says "I'm still in the closet but I like to look fabulous for the men and the women"

btw this is what I am wearing to the halloween fetish ball, a little too modest?

http://www.alluringnights.com/catalogs/lingerie/xtccatpics/420.jpg

Me -> army.

Me -> army.

When you enter the army, the army enters you

When you enter the army, the army enters you
I don't like recieving. :<

btw this is what I am wearing to the halloween fetish ball, a little too modest?

http://www.alluringnights.com/catalogs/lingerie/xtccatpics/420.jpg

That guy is so ugly..

That guy is so ugly..

but the outfit is cute!

I don't like recieving. :<

You're such a giver

tag

I wanna join!

Yay! Sumamba sign me up!

And once again, you've made me laugh out loud and spit coffee all over my desk. :)

Yay! Sumamba sign me up!

And once again, you've made me laugh out loud and spit coffee all over my desk. :)


Was it the outfit I plan to wear for halloween? :D

I'm glad so many people wanna join. I thought it would be a flop.

Perhaps I'll start sharing gay news events.

Here's one!

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_251121522.html


Student Sues District Over Lesbian Kissing

(AP) SANTA ANA A lesbian student claims in a lawsuit that Garden Grove school officials suspended her several times and forced her to temporarily transfer to another campus because she refused their orders to stop hugging and kissing her girlfriend on school grounds.

In the federal court lawsuit filed Wednesday, 17-year-old Charlene Nguon also alleges that a school principal told her parents of her sexual orientation and disciplined her while allowing similar behavior by heterosexual couples.

Her behavior was not prohibited in the school handbook, she claims.

"It was horrible. I was discriminated against by the administrators," said Nguon, who is represented by the ACLU and filed the suit with her mother and the Gay-Straight Alliance Network club.

Alan Trudell, a spokesman for the Garden Grove Unified School District said that "the district does not engage in discriminatory practices." He declined further comment, saying officials had not seen the lawsuit.

Nguon alleges that her grades, once straight A's, fell after she was forced last March to transfer from Santiago High School to Bolsa Grande High School - a move that increased her commute from a short walk to a 4 1/2-mile bike ride.

"Unfortunately, for Principal Ben Wolf and other staff at Santiago High, all of Charlene's accomplishments and exemplary qualities are overshadowed by one fact: that she is a lesbian," the lawsuit alleges.

Wolf and other district officials, through Trudell, declined to comment.

Nguon has been allowed to return to Santiago High for the current school year.

The suit seeks unspecified damages, an admission that the district violated Nguon's civil rights and a policy change preventing officials from disciplining students because of their sexual orientation.

Here's one!

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_251121522.html
Here's a link to the Santiago High Vice-Principal's page (http://www.ggusd.k12.ca.us/shs/Administration/Admin.htm) with email addresses available. Here's the school's main page, (http://www.ggusd.k12.ca.us/shs/) but the only contact information is a mailing address--no phone numbers or email address for the principal.

Nazz, take a look please here and read what I've got so far please (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9606724#post9606724) !

Oh, and might as well sign me up.

Um… I never want to be in any sort of army, so no. I want to set up my own paramilitary international anti-corrupt vigilante organisation, though.

Also, I'm not gay.

Um… I never want to be in any sort of army, so no. I want to set up my own paramilitary international anti-corrupt vigilante organisation, though.

Also, I'm not gay.

well the army title is just a joke because of how people claim there is a militant gay agenda - also this isn't a group just for gays, it's for anyone who is gay friendly.

I am a pacifist, look terrible in a uniform, and am not gay, but I will happily bake brownies to pass out after the militant gay agenda battles!

Sign me up!

Actually, I just sort of gave up on a battle myself... on another thread a nation was looking for embassy exchanges. I offered him an ambassador and her wife (who would serve as deputy of agriculture and trade for the mission), both highly qualified for the positions, and was turned down flat because "Gayness is illegal" in that country. Sigh.

Sign me up!

Best. Idea. Ever.

We should get a leader.

I vote Sumumba seeing as it was his idea.

We should get a leader.

I vote Sumumba seeing as it was his idea.


I concur. But I also feel that any real leader of an army should lead by force of will. As such, democracy has to be right out the window. Jousting?
Also I sent you a telegram :D

We should get a leader.

I vote Sumumba seeing as it was his idea.


I think we should have a counsel of leaders to make final decisions (if any decisions ever actually need to be made). I don't want to go mad with power :p

oh and thanks Jordaxia. Glad you joined us!

Gay Jousting eh? sounds fun!

So, what's happening with the organizing process?

So, what's happening with the organizing process?

I don't know. What should we organize? A gay pride thread? :D

I don't know. What should we organize? A gay pride thread? :D

well, you should be organising issue one of the "militant LGBT agenda advisor - a magazine that plots the overthrow of the globe!"

That and the mass pinkification of big ben, the eiffel tower, and the statue of liberty.

well, you should be organising issue one of the "militant LGBT agenda advisor - a magazine that plots the overthrow of the globe!"

That and the mass pinkification of big ben, the eiffel tower, and the statue of liberty.

The Eiffel tower could be so...phallic if we put enough effort in...Big Ben, too.

Model yourself on Spartan lines. The ancient Spartans were both militantly gay and gayly militant.

okay how do we organize any of that? I guess I'm a shitty leader afterall... who wants to take over?

Model yourself on Spartan lines. The ancient Spartans were both militantly gay and gayly militant.


I watched a documentary about that and it was infinitely interesting. What a society they had. Appaently to keep the population growing the men had their women dress in mens clothes and wait for them in the bedroom or something so they could procreate. I can't remember the details exactly, it was a long time ago that I saw the documentary so I am probably off the mark.


They were a really impressive military though!

Also, the women were the govt. leaders right? also weren't they lesbian lovers?

I'm galloping flat-out (well, metaphorically) to join a group that's all about acceptance.

But remember the Groucho Marx caveat: would I want to join any group that would have me as a member?

I don't know. What should we organize? A gay pride thread? :D
That, or a gay jousting thread. Gay jousting definitley got my vote!!! :cool:

That, or a gay jousting thread. Gay jousting definitley got my vote!!! :cool:

Is that like docking? :p

I'm all in.

It's about time we did something like this. ^^

New to the boards, but yeah I'm game

New to the boards, but yeah I'm game
Yeeaah!! Up for some gay jousting?

*waves his lance with a menacing grin*

hmm I thought I was signing up for this army thing, but that sounds fun as well...
*grins*

I'm in...
I'm not gay...I just really like the uniforms.

Gay folks kick ass too.

Oh! And can Majors wear Cod Pieces as a rank insignia?!

That would be FANTABULOUS! Teehee!

hmm I thought I was signing up for this army thing, but that sounds fun as well...
*grins*
Hehe, consider it training ;)

Edit: Cod Pieces!!! Fantastic idea! I want this one (http://www.cjsleather.com/cp-120.htm)

I believe I am the true, rightful leader of this army. My first directive will be to knock off Bush. Please, Secret Service people, this is a joke so don't go knocking down my apartmentdoor..

Codpieces, certainly...I mean come on...those old insignias are easily missed on your shoulder, or your collar. But no one would miss a big shalaily of a cod piece flapping around.

"Oh, Major! What a big rank you have!"

Hey, thanks to my post joining you guys I just changed from "Sometimes Deadly" to "Quite Deadly"!

I'm not quite sure what that proves ... :confused:

I thought it might be nice to have an LGBT community. Anyone is welcome, meaning you don't have to be of any specific sexual orientation.

I feel it would just be helpful to have a group of people, friendly to the LGBT community, band together to organize against discrimination against us here on NS and elsewhere. We could also help each other out with personal problems and whatnot. We could share news and stuff like links to petitions that support our evil agenda :p

Does anyone else here think it would be a good idea?

Do you have any ideas to add?

Maybe an online zine that we are all reporters for. We could write articles and post cartoons and whatnot. I dunno, just trying to make it fun as well as helpful.

Just express that you are definitely interested and I'll add you to the list here:


MEMBERS

- Siull
- Fass
- Bolol
- Doujin
- Nadkor
- Vetalia
- Muntoo
- Vaitupu
- Leeston
- Jordaxia
- Sarzonia
- Keruvalia
- The Nazz
- Keynesites
- Dobbsworld
- The Mindset
- CthulhuFhtagn
- Nautilus-Syberia
- Upper Botswavia
- Sumamba Buwhan
- The Similized world



**NOTE: The other (original) thread was moved to gameplay because the mods mistook jokes about attacking other countries as roleplay. This is the new official TLA (The LBGT Army) thread**

How about me, Lovely Boys :D

Is that like docking? :p

Nah, unless they jousters are really accurate it's probably just frotting :p .

Figures that I start a gay army thread and the first 5 pages is a discussion about uniforms. :p

I like the gay jousting idea. As well as the cod pieces. What a fun group we have!

Doujin I am all for you being the group leader. From what I have read on that paper you posted you would be a good leader. I like the idea of having a counsel of an odd number of people in case votes on issues need to be made.

I was thinking that we could collaborate on a thread series called "Fostering Understanding" tha tackled different issues in each thread. Look at issues like gay marriage - list out all of the arguments people hold against it and do our best to discredit each of those. What other issues could we tackle? What kind of purpose can this group fulfill on this board? Earlier I mentioned counseling. Maybe a LGBT eZine/news service, sharing LGBT art, current events, commentary pieces. I think it could be fun. Do you think this stuff would be allowed on NS?


NOTE: If I missed putting anyone on the list, make sure you let me know.

Yeeaah!! Up for some gay jousting?

*waves his lance with a menacing grin*
I've been teaching Lysistrata to my Interpretations of Drama class--Aristophanes would have loved that joke.

Roll on the Army... :sniper: !! Im defo in ...cool idea!

wow 27 people in this group. we could conquer the world!

OK... this one is a bit odd, but check it out... someone wants to form an anti-LGBT group to counter this group...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442966

DON'T go flame, I think the mods did an excellent job of explaining what the parameters would need to be, that is, it would have to be a pro-straight, not an anti-LGBT group. I am actually quite interested to see if the guy can accomplish this without it ending up being a 'we hate homosexuals' club. Personally, I don't think he can.

Count me in

OK... this one is a bit odd, but check it out... someone wants to form an anti-LGBT group to counter this group...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442966

DON'T go flame, I think the mods did an excellent job of explaining what the parameters would need to be, that is, it would have to be a pro-straight, not an anti-LGBT group. I am actually quite interested to see if the guy can accomplish this without it ending up being a 'we hate homosexuals' club. Personally, I don't think he can.It reminds me of David Duke's NAAWP group, which tried to disguise racism as "we just care about white people." It didn't work--although it's instructive to note that the area Duke was elected to the state legislature from is pretty much the same area where a local police chief just recently posted sheriff's deputies at the parish line and fired over the heads of people trying to come in from New Orleans after Katrina hit.

I digressed a bit.

It's certainly possible to form a non-discriminatory pro-straight group, but difficult to say the least, because let's face it--the world is generally pro-straight. That's the default setting for modern culture, sad to say, so making a big deal of your straightness is like making a big deal of being in the majority--isn't it enough that you're in the majority without having to throw it in everyone's faces? It is for me--I'm about as straight as they come, my inclusion in this army notwithstanding.

OK... this one is a bit odd, but check it out... someone wants to form an anti-LGBT group to counter this group...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442966

DON'T go flame, I think the mods did an excellent job of explaining what the parameters would need to be, that is, it would have to be a pro-straight, not an anti-LGBT group. I am actually quite interested to see if the guy can accomplish this without it ending up being a 'we hate homosexuals' club. Personally, I don't think he can.
This will be interesting. In the spirit of not starting a forum war though, I think it's probably best if not all 27 of us signs up in his thread - assuming he does go ahead with it - regardless of how much fun it would be.

The other thread migrated? Hello, just checking in.

So what's up?

D

I was thinking that we could collaborate on a thread series called "Fostering Understanding" tha tackled different issues in each thread. Look at issues like gay marriage - list out all of the arguments people hold against it and do our best to discredit each of those. What other issues could we tackle? What kind of purpose can this group fulfill on this board? Earlier I mentioned counseling. Maybe a LGBT eZine/news service, sharing LGBT art, current events, commentary pieces. I think it could be fun. Do you think this stuff would be allowed on NS?



Well, I'd be more than happy to join the militant queers. So happy people might even say I was... oh nevermind. But really? Queer army thread (d)evolves into discussing the pros and cons of gay marriage? That's a reading group! Army's haven't overrun the world by dicussing the pros and cons of their new childcare policies! Let the gay beaurocratic faction handle that! We just gits our broken bottles and start swingin' at the rampant breeders!

NOTE: If I missed putting anyone on the list, make sure you let me know.
:( Me, you missed me.... :( ;)

wow 27 people in this group. we could conquer the world!
Let's do it! Perhaps we could rid the world of mismatched socks, bland outfits and unsexy hair! Or, we could just flirt with all the straights and fuck their minds up. Either is okay with me.

We just gits our broken bottles and start swingin' at the rampant breeders!Dang them breeders and their colossal 'urban assault' strollers. They always insist on clumping together at the front of the streetcar, creating a bottleneck for everybody boarding - but nobody has the grit to tell 'em to move it on down... arrrrrhhh.

are the uniforms like totally fab

So are your kalashniukovs going to be pink? After all what revolutionary has ever used a capitalists' weapon, an m16?

:p

Umm..Not sure why I decided to post in this thread, but hey. Aslong as ya'll aren't bombing stuff and whatnot, who cares what you do.....

Go ahead, fluffle each other. :fluffle:

So what are we actually doing?

So what are we actually doing?

At present, nothing. We don't even have a charter or platform yet.

I'll join!

OK... this one is a bit odd, but check it out... someone wants to form an anti-LGBT group to counter this group...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442966

DON'T go flame, I think the mods did an excellent job of explaining what the parameters would need to be, that is, it would have to be a pro-straight, not an anti-LGBT group. I am actually quite interested to see if the guy can accomplish this without it ending up being a 'we hate homosexuals' club. Personally, I don't think he can.


holy $h!t!!!!! I think that I want to join their group, it's way better than this one. :p

seriously though, i hope their pro-straight group does a lot of good for the world. :fluffle: I hope it doesn't result in a bunch of hate speech. I think all the jokes in this thread have been gay jokes so maybe they should just join us. I'm all for welcoming them.

The other thread migrated? Hello, just checking in.

So what's up?

Yeah what's up with that? They wouldn't move it back either. They made me start a new thread. I thought about changing the name from LGBT army because of it. Got any new name ideas?




Well, I'd be more than happy to join the militant queers. So happy people might even say I was... oh nevermind. But really? Queer army thread (d)evolves into discussing the pros and cons of gay marriage? That's a reading group! Army's haven't overrun the world by dicussing the pros and cons of their new childcare policies! Let the gay beaurocratic faction handle that! We just gits our broken bottles and start swingin' at the rampant breeders!

Well really it isn't an army. i should change the name I spoze. This isn't about roleplaying - sorry if you were misled.

:( Me, you missed me.... :( ;)

omg How in the world could I forget YOU? I'm so sorry *bows as he backs away and tips his hat*

added beeyatch :fluffle:

So what are we actually doing?

not sure *G* got any idears?


At present, nothing. We don't even have a charter or platform yet.


We need a platform and a charter? damn. I didn't realize this would be so much work. okay everybody post what you would like to seee in the charter. I'll try to compile it.

Oh and I have a pair of platform shoes
http://www.badfads.com/bookimages/platformshoes02.gif

omg How in the world could I forget YOU?
Hey, that's what I thought....after all my mother's been saying so for years; funny thing, every time she says it, she always seems to have the same pained expression on her face....what's up with that? :confused: ;)

OK... this one is a bit odd, but check it out... someone wants to form an anti-LGBT group to counter this group...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442966

DON'T go flame, I think the mods did an excellent job of explaining what the parameters would need to be, that is, it would have to be a pro-straight, not an anti-LGBT group. I am actually quite interested to see if the guy can accomplish this without it ending up being a 'we hate homosexuals' club. Personally, I don't think he can.

I find it humorous that on that link there is a post claiming that we get more rights to express out sexuality than straights - hello? when was the last time you saw a big stink made about a straight couple holding hands, or having a smooch in public?

I mean, everyday I'm down the road, it seems to be a parade of heterosexual sexuality being 'flaunted' - I don't care, but lets be completely honest instead of making up old wives tales claiming that some how that us homo's are getting more rights.

I have a plank for the platform... how about this...

EVERYBODY is created equal. Everybody! Even straight people should have equal rights to the LGBT community, and we support them in their heterosexuality, and think that their marriages are a fine thing, and that they should certainly be allowed to adopt children!


We can then use this to support the Straight Pride group.

:D

I find it humorous that on that link there is a post claiming that we get more rights to express out sexuality than straights - hello? when was the last time you saw a big stink made about a straight couple holding hands, or having a smooch in public?

I mean, everyday I'm down the road, it seems to be a parade of heterosexual sexuality being 'flaunted' - I don't care, but lets be completely honest instead of making up old wives tales claiming that some how that us homo's are getting more rights.


I noticed that too! wtf!

Militant idealism? How will that accomplish anything? It will just give the fundie christians more firepower. I will not join this.

I have a plank for the platform... how about this...

EVERYBODY is created equal. Everybody! Even straight people should have equal rights to the LGBT community, and we support them in their heterosexuality, and think that their marriages are a fine thing, and that they should certainly be allowed to adopt children!


We can then use this to support the Straight Pride group.

:D


Thats a really nice plank you have! I'd like to throw my weight behind it.

Militant idealism? How will that accomplish anything? It will just give the fundie christians more firepower. I will not join this.
Was it really necessary for you to come in the thread and declare that you won't join? I mean, you could have just ignored the thread. :rolleyes:

This message is hidden because Mesatecala is on your ignore list.

ahhhh so nice

Militant idealism? How will that accomplish anything? It will just give the fundie christians more firepower. I will not join this.
Don't be daft. We're hardly taking up arms.

Was it really necessary for you to come in the thread and declare that you won't join? I mean, you could have just ignored the thread. :rolleyes:


ignoring can be a good thing.

militant idealism? lmfao!

Was it really necessary for you to come in the thread and declare that you won't join? I mean, you could have just ignored the thread. :rolleyes:

Well I made the statement being militant about something won't accomplish anything. We actually have to convince people. I have a lot to lose or gain in this like any gay person.

Oh and how many people on that list are actually going to work in a constructive manner for the movement, and not be using personal attacks? Not many. I've been working with the gay rights movement for two years now, being part of marches and even help organize events.

though I can't see the posts, I'm begging you - please don't feed the trolls.

I'm not a fucking troll. I have plenty to lose or gain in this as any other LGBT person. I'm tired of people like you trying to use the LGBT population for your own political gain. So please don't tell me to leave. I happen to be gay, and I think this very personally effects me.

Well I made the statement being militant about something won't accomplish anything. We actually have to convince people. I have a lot to lose or gain in this like any gay person.

Oh and how many people on that list are actually going to work in a constructive manner for the movement, and not be using personal attacks? Not many. I've been working with the gay rights movement for two years now, being part of marches and even help organize events.
For someone who claims to be up on all this, you sure don't know squat about the history of the gay rights movement, or apparently, of any civil rights movement. It's the militants who do the hard work--they push the envelope of acceptability and effectively move the center. If it weren't for militants for the last thirty years, you'd still be able to be thrown in jail for your sexual activity. So don't feed me that crap about how militancy not accomplishing anything--militancy is the only method that has ever worked.

For someone who claims to be up on all this, you sure don't know squat about the history of the gay rights movement, or apparently, of any civil rights movement. It's the militants who do the hard work--they push the envelope of acceptability and effectively move the center. If it weren't for militants for the last thirty years, you'd still be able to be thrown in jail for your sexual activity. So don't feed me that crap about how militancy not accomplishing anything--militancy is the only method that has ever worked.

I'm sure Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr would agree with you. :)

My, what ignorance. You really need to read up on the facts and the history. Don't try to screw me over for your own little radicalism. I happen to be a moderate.

You need to grow up. Most of those gains were made by political advancements, not taking up arms against the government.

and what the hell do you know, nazz? Have you actually worked organizing events like I have? Or have you just been an armchair activist like most people out there? The type that say: "Well I strongly support him, but I don't need to do anything.. they got plenty of people".

I'm sure Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr would agree with you. :)

My, what ignorance. You really need to read up on the facts and the history. Don't try to screw me over for your own little radicalism. I happen to be a moderate.

You need to grow up. Most of those gains were made by political advancements, not taking up arms against the government.
Militancy does not equal the advocating of violence--it means standing up to the powers that exist and telling them that you're not going away quietly or peacefully. Gandhi and MLK were most decidedly militants, and every fucking right you enjoy as a gay person able to live openly you owe to militants. It might kill you to have to acknowledge that fact, but it's there all the same.

Gays didn't make the progress they've made thus far by asking meekly for their rights. They got them by marching in the streets and screaming "We're Here! We're Queer! Get Used To It!" until people started getting used to it.

Militancy does not equal the advocating of violence--it means standing up to the powers that exist and telling them that you're not going away quietly or peacefully. Gandhi and MLK were most decidedly militants, and every fucking right you enjoy as a gay person able to live openly you owe to militants. It might kill you to have to acknowledge that fact, but it's there all the same.

Gays didn't make the progress they've made thus far by asking meekly for their rights. They got them by marching in the streets and screaming "We're Here! We're Queer! Get Used To It!" until people started getting used to it.

Alright, you can be a history revisionist. That is fine by me. But Gandhi or MLK was a militant? what the fuck are you smoking? You don't know what you are talking about, you don't know the history of civil rights, let alone gay rights. And you don't know the simple things that need to be done. This isn't militancy... demand rights in protests. That's fucking democracy. That's holding civil rights marches in a peaceful manner.

and what the hell do you know, nazz? Have you actually worked organizing events like I have? Or have you just been an armchair activist like most people out there? The type that say: "Well I strongly support him, but I don't need to do anything.. they got plenty of people".
Specifically for gay rights? No. For other human rights causes, most certainly, as well as for politicians that are gay friendly. So to answer your question, no, I am not an armchair activist.

Wait a minute.. if by going by your definitions, I'm militant? I've taken part in gay marriage rallies, and have helped organized some events. It seems like we have a different definition on militant. I think all I'm doing is peaceful civil rights rallies in line with democracy.

Reading the thread more closely, alright I'll join this. If someone could somehow convey that to the thread starter who has me ignore.. they should let go of their grudges. I just deleted everyone off my ignore list. I can't hold grudges against a person.

Here's one!

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_251121522.html

Hasn't anyone stopped to think that this could be for the girl's protection? There are people out there who would kill every butch and tinkerbell they see if they thought they could get away with it (and while I don't even pretend to be tolerant of the gay lifestyle, that's too much of an extreme for me even on my worst days). Unless one of us happens to attend that particular school, no one on this forum knows the environment there. For all we know displays of affection among gays and lesbians at that school may be recieved in the same light as if I were to sit in a white hood and robe in the audience of the Apollo Theater.

What really surprises me is that they allow heterosexual displays of affection at that school. At the one I attended I was given saturday school (four hour detention on the weekend) for letting a lady friend cry on my shoulder when her boyfriend dumped her. They got me on PDA (Public Display of Affection). I thought that was pretty much a universal rule.

Wait a minute.. if by going by your definitions, I'm militant? I've taken part in gay marriage rallies, and have helped organized some events. It seems like we have a different definition on militant. I think all I'm doing is peaceful civil rights rallies in line with democracy.
If you get out there and protest, then yes, you're a militant. If you stay at home and think that if we just ask the fundy-christians nicely enough, they'll stop trying to throw gay people in jail, then you're, well, delusional for starters, but more importantly, you'll never get anywhere.

If you get out there and protest, then yes, you're a militant. If you stay at home and think that if we just ask the fundy-christians nicely enough, they'll stop trying to throw gay people in jail, then you're, well, delusional for starters, but more importantly, you'll never get anywhere.

i think our definitions differ. I have protested dozens of times... but that's not militant. And don't attack me like that. I've done far more for the movement then many of the armchair activists on this board.

Look, if you read thru the thread you will see the things proposed in here can be described as non-militant and I even suggested that people give us ideas for different names for the group. I think the idea of a militant gay agenda is funny and not serious anyway.

Theres no reason to come in attacking us. Love us or leave us because this thread was meant for organizing and not debating. I don't care if you debate, I'm not tryign to stifle anyones opinions. This group is meant for support and to have a good time with like minded individuals who are striving for change for the better.

If you want to be a part of this group Mesatecala, I would be happy to have you and add your expertise in the field to our knowledge base. You can offer us tips on how to be effective and keep us on the leading edge of whats going on in the area. I don't want us spreading ill will - I want to foster understanding.

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Theres no reason to come in attacking us. Love us or leave us because this thread was meant for organizing and not debating. I don't care if you debate, I'm not tryign to stifle anyones opinions. This group is meant for support and to have a good time with like minded individuals who are striving for change for the better.

I wasn't attacking you. I was confused about what this group stands for and I didn't know. If I attacked anyone personally, I'm sorry. But I did not know what is wanted to be accomplished by this group.

[If you want to be a part of this group Mesatecala, I would be happy to have you and add your expertise in the field to our knowledge base. You can offer us tips on how to be effective and keep us on the leading edge of whats going on in the area. I don't want us spreading ill will - I want to foster understanding.

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I just thought you had me on ignore. I took everyone off to start fresh. I will also refrain from using swear words (I was advised not to recently). I need to go refund a book now and am going to the mall with some of my flamboyant friends, so don't do anything I wouldn't do.

If you want to help counter ignorance and hatred in this forum, then I am all for this and would be part of it.

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Theres no reason to come in attacking us. Love us or leave us because this thread was meant for organizing and not debating. I don't care if you debate, I'm not tryign to stifle anyones opinions. This group is meant for support and to have a good time with like minded individuals who are striving for change for the better.

I wasn't really attacking anything. I was just providing a counterpoint to what I saw as one of those "oh no! The evil Christian 'homophobes' are attacking!" stories. There are specific reasons for what they did, ranging from policies against PDA (ruled out since they allow heterosexual PDA), to the school being so hostile to gays that her life could have actually been in danger. It's highly unlikely that it's a conspiracy against gays/lesbians.

I always thought PDA was Personal Data Assistant… :rolleyes:

Just ban all forms of PDA, make it simple.

I always thought PDA was Personal Data Assistant… :rolleyes:

Just ban all forms of PDA, make it simple.

Worked for my school. I thought it was universal policy, but apparantly according to the article it's not. Probably should be, though.

I wasn't attacking you. I was confused about what this group stands for and I didn't know. If I attacked anyone personally, I'm sorry. But I did not know what is wanted to be accomplished by this group.

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I just thought you had me on ignore. I took everyone off to start fresh. I will also refrain from using swear words (I was advised not to recently). I need to go refund a book now and am going to the mall with some of my flamboyant friends, so don't do anything I wouldn't do.

If you want to help counter ignorance and hatred in this forum, then I am all for this and would be part of it.

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I did but now I don't cuz of this post. I was peeking tho. Okay, read thru the thread and you'll see we're just kinda recruiting right now and doing some silly talk but we need to have fun. We really haven't made any solid plans for the group but I'm always willing to take ideas from others. Each person adds another facet to our composition.

Have fun at the mall.

I'll add you to the list then. And I don't care if you use swear words, I love swear words. :p

I wasn't really attacking anything. I was just providing a counterpoint to what I saw as one of those "oh no! The evil Christian 'homophobes' are attacking!" stories. There are specific reasons for what they did, ranging from policies against PDA (ruled out since they allow heterosexual PDA), to the school being so hostile to gays that her life could have actually been in danger. It's highly unlikely that it's a conspiracy against gays/lesbians.


Did you go to a private school or a public school in a well off area? Because they didn't seem to care about that stuff in the ghetto high school that I went to. Or what grade were you talking about?

Your school seriously didn't want people showing affection to each other publically? That sounds like a recipe for yuck. I don't see anything wrong with people hugging or kissing in public. I think it's a beautiful thing to see personally.

That is a good point about the school tryign to protect the girls. If those girls know they are in danger for showing each other affection in public then that is their responsibility not the schools IMHO.

You are not denying that there is repression against gay people are you? I mean you just said in one sentence that people are hostile toward gays, then say it is highly unlike there is a conspiracy against gays in the next sentence. :confused:

I just thought of something - Should we make rules?

How about Rule number one be: All members of our group shall be civil to each other and when representing the cause we should try to be civil to those who are not a part of our l33tness :p

Your school seriously didn't want people showing affection to each other publically? That sounds like a recipe for yuck. I don't see anything wrong with people hugging or kissing in public. I think it's a beautiful thing to see personally. A recipe for yuck? Eh? What's that supposed to mean?
It's a little… distasteful. In privacy of own home, please. :)

A recipe for yuck? Eh? What's that supposed to mean?
It's a little… distasteful. In privacy of own home, please. :)

Yeah it gives me to chills to think that at school they would have reprimanded me for allowing some grief stricken girl to cry on my shoulder. Also, theres nothing distasteful about hugging in public or kissing in public. I'm not talking about full blown tonsil hockey or anything (yeah I'd rahter that be kept to private areas - but if not I have this remarkable super power where I can turn my head and it doesn't affect me at all). Do you cringe when you see women running up to soldiers as they come back from a tour of duty and giving them hugs and kisses (or pick any number of reasons why people may hug or kiss in public) because it's distasteful?

I thought it might be nice to have an LGBT community. Anyone is welcome, meaning you don't have to be of any specific sexual orientation.

I feel it would just be helpful to have a group of people, friendly to the LGBT community, band together to organize against discrimination against us here on NS and elsewhere. We could also help each other out with personal problems and whatnot. We could share news and stuff like links to petitions that support our evil agenda :p

Does anyone else here think it would be a good idea?

Do you have any ideas to add?

Maybe an online zine that we are all reporters for. We could write articles and post cartoons and whatnot. I dunno, just trying to make it fun as well as helpful.

Just express that you are definitely interested and I'll add you to the list here:


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Did you go to a private school or a public school in a well off area? Because they didn't seem to care about that stuff in the ghetto high school that I went to. Or what grade were you talking about?

Your school seriously didn't want people showing affection to each other publically? That sounds like a recipe for yuck. I don't see anything wrong with people hugging or kissing in public. I think it's a beautiful thing to see personally.

That is a good point about the school tryign to protect the girls. If those girls know they are in danger for showing each other affection in public then that is their responsibility not the schools IMHO.

You are not denying that there is repression against gay people are you? I mean you just said in one sentence that people are hostile toward gays, then say it is highly unlike there is a conspiracy against gays in the next sentence. :confused:

Public school in a farming community, and all grades. Hug someone in Kindergarten, that was a paddlin'. Then when you got to high school and the beatnicks started in with the "evils" of paddling (don't get me started on that) it resulted in detention.

And I'm not denying the repression. In fact, I'm part of it. The last special election I voted in was to vote for an ammendment to the Missouri state constitution that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman.

However, in times when even the family dog has his own lawyer, it's unlikely that they took action against this girl just because she was a lesbian. They knew it would result in a lawsuit, and the only reason anyone would take that kind of risk is if there was a good reason for it.

Yeah it gives me to chills to think that at school they would have reprimanded me for allowing some grief stricken girl to cry on my shoulder. Also, theres nothing distasteful about hugging in public or kissing in public. I'm not talking about full blown tonsil hockey or anything (yeah I'd rahter that be kept to private areas - but if not I have this remarkable super power where I can turn my head and it doesn't affect me at all). Do you cringe when you see women running up to soldiers as they come back from a tour of duty and giving them hugs and kisses (or pick any number of reasons why people may hug or kiss in public) because it's distasteful? Ahem… in my book, crying on the shoulder certainly isn't a PDA. And no, I don't, and that's kind of different.

Public school in a farming community, and all grades. Hug someone in Kindergarten, that was a paddlin'. Then when you got to high school and the beatnicks started in with the "evils" of paddling (don't get me started on that) it resulted in detention.

And I'm not denying the repression. In fact, I'm part of it. The last special election I voted in was to vote for an ammendment to the Missouri state constitution that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman.

However, in times when even the family dog has his own lawyer, it's unlikely that they took action against this girl just because she was a lesbian. They knew it would result in a lawsuit, and the only reason anyone would take that kind of risk is if there was a good reason for it.

Oh ok, well that makes sense. I went to school in a small town too for a few years of my life (Mormon country) they were pretty backwards there in my opinion but luckily hugging was still ok. I love hugs.

I disagree though, people will do what they want despite lawyers in some cases. And although you could be right that there was a valid reason (though I wouldn't accept that answer if I were in that position), you could also be wrong. The only way we can know is by challenging what we don't see as fair and make them prove it was about something other than prejudice.

I am youurs let me know where I sign up

OK you're in because I like your username. :p

Ahem… in my book, crying on the shoulder certainly isn't a PDA. And no, I don't, and that's kind of different.


I don't think it's different. They are showing affection in public. You could say well the situation is different, which is true, but that doesns't take away from the fact that they are in public showing each other affection with hugs and kisses. Unless you can read their minds, I'm pretty sure they are doing it because they love each other and like to feel each others lips and warm embrace.

i think our definitions differ. I have protested dozens of times... but that's not militant. And don't attack me like that. I've done far more for the movement then many of the armchair activists on this board.
That wasn't an attack--you say you've protested, and that means that you're not one of those who would simply sit back and hope for the best. If I'd intimated that I thought you weren't actually protesting, that would be an attack. But I still maintain that protesting is a militant act by its very nature.

OK you're in because I like your username. :p
Why thank you :)

Mesatelaca...go away. If you aren't interested in joining then you have no business posting in this thread. This isn't a militant organisation, and you would have realised this if you had actually read the thread. If you aren't interested, don't post. It's really that simple.




On another note, we should remember not to focus to much on homosexuality in males (as we seem to have been), as much as I love you all, and remember that there is homosexuality in females, the B and the T as well.

We should organise to be prepared to debate coherently and efficiently in threads concerning LGBT rights. I think that should be our first priority.

Summumba, what do you think? (I still think you are the leader)

Mesatelaca...go away. If you aren't interested in joining then you have no business posting in this thread. This isn't a militant organisation, and you would have realised this if you had actually read the thread. If you aren't interested, don't post. It's really that simple.




On another note, we should remember not to focus to much on homosexuality in males (as we seem to have been), as much as I love you all, and remember that there is homosexuality in females, the B and the T as well.

We should organise to be prepared to debate coherently and efficiently in threads concerning LGBT rights. I think that should be our first priority.

Summumba, what do you think? (I still think you are the leader)

Mesa actually said he read some and realized it wasn't what he thought it was. He joined. I just ask that in here we keep our party lines out of it and treat each other civilly.

I agree that we shouldn't forget the B's T's or even the S's. We are saying "Gay" alot in this thread, that's for sure. I'm actually part of the B's and am male, and I think that this board is primarily made up of males and the transgenders/transexuals are few and far between, so no matter what we think, we will probably focus on man on man stuff the most I'm betting.

I was also thinking we should have debate points ready for thread concerning LGBT's. We should compile issues, debate points for those issue (for both sides) and then start threads about them with our best arguments. Then we will keep those thread series linked on the first post of this thread and refer back to those threads when the issues will no doubt come up again and again.

I will not join this.
Okay. Seeya.

He joined.
Dobbs quits. Seeya.

Dobbs quits. Seeya.

awww :(

I was also thinking we should have debate points ready for thread concerning LGBT's. We should compile issues, debate points for those issue (for both sides) and then start threads about them with our best arguments. Then we will keep those thread series linked on the first post of this thread and refer back to those threads when the issues will no doubt come up again and again.

This is a good idea, but we're going to need issues to debate and ideas to draft. Perhaps we need a thread devoted to listing topics relevant to discussion; input from nonmembers, members, and anyone else would greatly improve our ability to keep up with the issues; plus, it would let us get an idea of the people who are most likely to be our opponents in debates.

I don't need to go out of my way to have no fun whatsoever, Su. Sorry.

This is a good idea, but we're going to need issues to debate and ideas to draft. Perhaps we need a thread devoted to listing topics relevant to discussion; input from nonmembers, members, and anyone else would greatly improve our ability to keep up with the issues; plus, it would let us get an idea of the people who are most likely to be our opponents in debates.
*Oh, just discuss anything, Mes will be sure to stomp all the joy out of it.

This is a good idea, but we're going to need issues to debate and ideas to draft. Perhaps we need a thread devoted to listing topics relevant to discussion; input from nonmembers, members, and anyone else would greatly improve our ability to keep up with the issues; plus, it would let us get an idea of the people who are most likely to be our opponents in debates.


Exactlyly, but I think we can just look at past threads that have been debated for 40 pages and skim for the most compelling arguments rather than start new ones. Currently there is one somewhere about Arnold vetoing the Gay Marriage thing going on in Calif.

*Oh, just discuss anything, Mes will be sure to stomp all the joy out of it.



*That is a problem. Well, there's not much we could do besides keep the debates closed or closely monitored to keep these kinds of things under control. I just don't know what to do about it

I don't need to go out of my way to have no fun whatsoever, Su. Sorry.

Just keep Mesa on ignore then.

The NAZZ, while you're of course entitled to weilding language however you see fit, don't expect people to understand you when you redefine the meaning of words.

People in general define militant activism as being, at the very least, protesters engaging in civil disobedience. That means breaking laws intentionally, because they refuse to recognise such laws apply.

You're the first person I've ever heard calling a protest rally militant behaviour :)

Anyway Sumamba Buwhan, I think that's a damn good idea. How about starting with equal marriage rights? I'll let someone else have a go at it, because my brain isn't fully operational right now.

Also, maybe we should list our sexual preferences? Perhaps it would serve to shatter some people's veiws of eachother. I imagine a fundie Christian, for example, might think twice about denying someone civil rights, if they realize they're denying a debater they respect those rights. Or is it too "in your face"?

Exactlyly, but I think we can just look at past threads that have been debated for 40 pages and skim for the most compelling arguments rather than start new ones. Currently there is one somewhere about Arnold vetoing the Gay Marriage thing going on in Calif.

I think we'll need to word the new threads so that they don't degenerate in to a gridlock where both sides end up agreeing to disagree as posters come and go.

Just keep Mesa on ignore then.
What's the point in being part of the same group as someone who makes a point of routinely taking swipes at me without the barest scintilla of a sense of wit? I don't mind a little bit of jousting, but come on... there has to be some amusing aspect to it all to keep me coming back.

Sumamba Buwhan, there is a telegram for you.

I know that mesa will probably be an inflammatory member (as his politics are opposite of most LGBT folk *on this board and who I know in RL* ) and was also worried about that, but seeing as how this group is about inclusiveness and I said anyone LGBT friendly could join, I couldnt deny him membership.

Just don't join in the back and forths when they go in that direction in this one thread. There are plenty of other threads to go toe to toe with him on if you wish.

I know that mesa will probably be an inflammatory member (as his politics are opposite of most LGBT folk *on this board and who I know in RL* ) and was also worried about that, but seeing as how this group is about inclusiveness and I said anyone LGBT friendly could join, I couldnt deny him membership.

Well, it's not really politics, I'd say. My political views are fairly similar to his but more socially libertarian. This is something else.

Anyway Sumamba Buwhan, I think that's a damn good idea. How about starting with equal marriage rights? I'll let someone else have a go at it, because my brain isn't fully operational right now.

Also, maybe we should list our sexual preferences? Perhaps it would serve to shatter some people's veiws of eachother. I imagine a fundie Christian, for example, might think twice about denying someone civil rights, if they realize they're denying a debater they respect those rights. Or is it too "in your face"?

Equal marriage rights is a good start. I am too stoned to want to approach that work at the moment though :p

We could list our sexual preference, what does everyone else think about that?

There are plenty of other threads to go toe to toe with him on if you wish.
But this is my point exactly. I don't wish to go 'toe-to-toe' with him, it's utterly fruitless, and more often than not ends up with him getting mods on my case. And what about this, Su?

Militant idealism? How will that accomplish anything? It will just give the fundie christians more firepower. I will not join this.

Well if that's how he feels, then what exactly will he be contributing? Unfunny comments about how we're all wrong, and someone who'll rat us out to authority figures at the drop of a hat? Piffle.

I think we'll need to word the new threads so that they don't degenerate in to a gridlock where both sides end up agreeing to disagree as posters come and go.


The new threads once started I want to be well thought out and prepared with most of the best pro/con arguments already presented. I was thinking they could be a series called "fostering understanding: *issue*" and come at issues with the goal of mediation. *shrug* At the moment I am not ready to go at it though.

If we find places where we agree to disagree, it's probably going to be a religious argument. Oh how I want to avoid those arguments.

If we find places where we agree to disagree, it's probably going to be a religious argument. Oh how I want to avoid those arguments.
Still, there's probably no way to keep religion out of it. I've seen it tried on here once already to no avail.

Not to start a debate about it, but I don't understand how the religious bit can be relevant. We (most of us anyway) live in secular societies, with secular laws. Laws that doesn't (ok, shouldn't) discriminate based on faith, gender or social standing. So how can a religious argument possibly be relevant?
They're free to keep whoever they want out of their churches, but secular law is meant not to discriminate. That's the whole point of having it.

The NAZZ, while you're of course entitled to weilding language however you see fit, don't expect people to understand you when you redefine the meaning of words.

People in general define militant activism as being, at the very least, protesters engaging in civil disobedience. That means breaking laws intentionally, because they refuse to recognise such laws apply.

You're the first person I've ever heard calling a protest rally militant behaviour :)

Who exactly are these "people in general?" People you just made up in order to buttress your argument?

In very general terms, militancy is what I have defined it as--a standing up to the status quo and demanding a change. If that's not militant, then what is?

Now, what the term you used was "militant activism." I don't believe I used that term, because the way I see it, the term is redundant. Activism is militant by its very nature. But if you want to split activism into a militant and an non-militant wing, I suppose that's possible. The difference between us, I think, is that I'm using a very broad definition of militancy, while others prefer a narrower definition. I choose the broader definition, I should note, because it makes it harder for the Limbaughs of the world to separate smaller groups off from the whole.

What's the point in being part of the same group as someone who makes a point of routinely taking swipes at me without the barest scintilla of a sense of wit? I don't mind a little bit of jousting, but come on... there has to be some amusing aspect to it all to keep me coming back.

Sumamba Buwhan, there is a telegram for you.


Sorry I understand. I was hoping that if it was about issues we could agree on, he could offer help and all that.

I'm kinda surprised that Mesa even wants to be in a group that is composed of so many people that disagree with him so vehemently on so many threads.

The new threads once started I want to be well thought out and prepared with most of the best pro/con arguments already presented. I was thinking they could be a series called "fostering understanding: *issue*" and come at issues with the goal of mediation. *shrug* At the moment I am not ready to go at it though.

If we find places where we agree to disagree, it's probably going to be a religious argument. Oh how I want to avoid those arguments.

I like the idea; the goal isn't to advance a particular viewpoint but rather to foster an understanding of the issue. This will likely sway a lot of people who are opposed to these issues not due to personal conviction, but rather lack of understanding. We need to educate, and then discuss. The real irrational hardcore types will likely filter out and it will become a more rational debate.

That's going to be more effective than the religious battles that I think we all want to avoid. 2,000 posts of back and forth argument is just too much to handle. :p

I'm kinda surprised that Mesa even wants to be in a group that is composed of so many people that disagree with him so vehemently on so many threads.
Then you've had him on ignore for far too long. I am not at all surprised. Not in the least.

But I've said more than enough already. Please amend your lists to reflect my non-involvement, Su. And again, sorry for this. I hope it works out for all concerned... it's a good idea, and I was, and am, 100% behind it.

Best of luck,

DW.

Who exactly are these "people in general?" People you just made up in order to buttress your argument?

In very general terms, militancy is what I have defined it as--a standing up to the status quo and demanding a change. If that's not militant, then what is?

Now, what the term you used was "militant activism." I don't believe I used that term, because the way I see it, the term is redundant. Activism is militant by its very nature. But if you want to split activism into a militant and an non-militant wing, I suppose that's possible. The difference between us, I think, is that I'm using a very broad definition of militancy, while others prefer a narrower definition. I choose the broader definition, I should note, because it makes it harder for the Limbaughs of the world to separate smaller groups off from the whole.
Those "people in general" would be pretty much everyone but you. Go ask one ;)

Anyway, here's what dictionary.com has to say:
1. Fighting or warring.
2. Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.

n.
A fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party.

In the context of social reforms, I hardly think you can apply that terminology to peaceful, lawabiding dissent. Also, Ghandi is universally hailed for being non-militant.

But whatever. As long as you know what the rest of us mean, and we know what you mean, it doesn't matter. And regardless of how you define the word, I am militant. But I've never been involved in pro-LGBT activism.

Those "people in general" would be pretty much everyone but you. Go ask one ;)

Anyway, here's what dictionary.com has to say:
1. Fighting or warring.
2. Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.

n.
A fighting, warring, or aggressive person or party.

In the context of social reforms, I hardly think you can apply that terminology to peaceful, lawabiding dissent. Also, Ghandi is universally hailed for being non-militant.

But whatever. As long as you know what the rest of us mean, and we know what you mean, it doesn't matter. And regardless of how you define the word, I am militant. But I've never been involved in pro-LGBT activism.
The bolded part makes my case--violence is not a necessary part of militancy, but being willing to get in people's faces is, and Gandhi did just that. He did it with a smile, but there was never any question of his resolve to get what he wanted.

You should have bolded the rest of the scentence as well. You don't just stop at the ":". You argue that all activists are militants, and that this the universally recognised definition. Yet, the argument you just made is contradicted if you quote the entire scentence, instead of just part of it:

2. Having a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.

Anyway, I think everyone's clear on how you define militant behaviour, so there's no need for you to revise your definition. I only started the argument to let you know that pretty much everyone defines it quite differently.
Also, I know some people who'd get utterly pissed if someone called them militants... So you should probably be prepared for some odd responses out in the real world.

As far as public display of affection, I think it should be allowed to an extent. I mean groping obviously is a bit too much, but some kissing is cool. For gay and straight couples.


I'll add you to the list then. And I don't care if you use swear words, I love swear words. :p

Alright sign me up, Scotty. I'll do whatever I need to do to fight off ignorance on this forum.

But this is my point exactly. I don't wish to go 'toe-to-toe' with him, it's utterly fruitless, and more often than not ends up with him getting mods on my case. And what about this, Su?

I'm not the one flaming and spamming other people around here. As far as I'm concerned you contribute nothing to any threads here. You just come off as plain rude.

Unfunny comments about how we're all wrong, and someone who'll rat us out to authority figures at the drop of a hat? Piffle.

Me? You grow up.

Oooh, oooh, sign me up.

Hey everybody,

I'd like to join the army as well and not just because I like hanging out with men in uniforms. :) I also think that we could, as a group, more easily make a difference in some peoples attitudes. I do not hope however, as someone stated earlier, that we rid this forum of people who disagree with us. There will always be people that disagree with us and I personally prefer to be able to see who they are and what they stand for so I at least know what I'm up against, rather than having them hidden away from society, secretly growing in number and eventually planting bombs. Ok, planting bombs might sound a bit exaggerating, but I do think not taking their feelings about sexualities or gender conformations other than their own seriously only leads to an increase of these feelings, while listening to them and trying to understand where they're coming from and why they feel the way they do might encourage them to do likewise. For me it's not so much about trying to make people see how right we are - which we are, don't get me wrong -, as it is about trying to understand one another. Because that's all we need, right?
Furthermore I think we all should write something in our signature, so everybody sees who we are. Maybe a link to this thread or something?

Feraulaer.

Furthermore I think we all should write something in our signature, so everybody sees who we are. Maybe a link to this thread or something?

Feraulaer.
Great idea--I did it when I read the post.

Then you've had him on ignore for far too long. I am not at all surprised. Not in the least.

But I've said more than enough already. Please amend your lists to reflect my non-involvement, Su. And again, sorry for this. I hope it works out for all concerned... it's a good idea, and I was, and am, 100% behind it.

Best of luck,

DW.

Wait a minute.. you are going to leave just because you can't agree with me on other issues? For once you have to realize in this world you can't agree with someone 100% of the time. I have a very personal interest in this, and I have been working with gay rights for several years now. Just because this list includes people I don't agree with does NOT mean I shouldn't be part of it.

I don't understand you people.

We're like the Kiss Army but we wear less makeup.

Okay I was thinking about this thing with Mesa. I am sad to see Dobbs go and contrary to Mesa's belief, I do in fact think Dobbs contributs quite a bit to many of the threads on this forum, from good humor to deep insights. He has a very sound mind and I respect him and don't want to see him being put down.

So seeing as how inflammatory this thread got with Mesa's arrival I think maybe I was too hasty and should ask if others want him in the group or not. I guess we should have the ability to vote people out (or vote for disallowing membership) if they are going to be a problem for the group.

I'm sorry I didn't think of this earlier before Dobbs quit.

What do you all think? Does Mesatecala's membership in the group make you want to quit? What course of action should we take here? LGBT court? A new tradition of heavy handed hazing? :p

I'm sad now that the thread stopped being fun. :(

<sniparoo...>

I don't understand you people.

Who's "you people"?

We're like the Kiss Army but we wear less makeup.

Okay I was thinking about this thing with Mesa. I am sad to see Dobbs go and contrary to Mesa's belief, I do in fact think Dobbs contributs quite a bit to many of the threads on this forum, from good humor to deep insights. He has a very sound mind and I respect him and don't want to see him being put down.

So seeing as how inflammatory this thread got with Mesa's arrival I think maybe I was too hasty and should ask if others want him in the group or not. I guess we should have the ability to vote people out (or vote for disallowing membership) if they are going to be a problem for the group.

I'm sorry I didn't think of this earlier before Dobbs quit.

What do you all think? Does Mesatecala's membership in the group make you want to quit? What course of action should we take here? LGBT court? A new tradition of heavy handed hazing? :p

I'm sad now that the thread stopped being fun. :(
Take no action--much as I have disagreements with Mesatecala one pretty much every possible subject, if Mesatecala wants to join, I'd say he qualifies. I like Dobbs--I like him a lot more than I do Mesatecala (and please don't take that as a flame)--but nobody told Dobbs to quit. He walked on his own, which is his right. It's not something I would do personally, but Dobbs did and I can understand that.

Dobbs never gave me a chance. He hates me because of my beliefs. Well, I can't hate people. I took him off my ignore list just like anyone else on there. I can't hold grudges. That's not my style.

But I'm not trying to make this thread inflammatory. If you think I am, please complain to the moderators. I was never trying to do that. I was just confused on what this group was for. But as you don't want my assistance, maybe I shouldn't be part of this. I guess if you want me out, I'll be an independent entity working on my own.

Who's "you people"?

Those who think the only people they can work with are those with similiar or nearly identical beliefs.

Hey everybody,

I'd like to join the army as well and not just because I like hanging out with men in uniforms. :) I also think that we could, as a group, more easily make a difference in some peoples attitudes. I do not hope however, as someone stated earlier, that we rid this forum of people who disagree with us. There will always be people that disagree with us and I personally prefer to be able to see who they are and what they stand for so I at least know what I'm up against, rather than having them hidden away from society, secretly growing in number and eventually planting bombs. Ok, planting bombs might sound a bit exaggerating, but I do think not taking their feelings about sexualities or gender conformations other than their own seriously only leads to an increase of these feelings, while listening to them and trying to understand where they're coming from and why they feel the way they do might encourage them to do likewise. For me it's not so much about trying to make people see how right we are - which we are, don't get me wrong -, as it is about trying to understand one another. Because that's all we need, right?
Furthermore I think we all should write something in our signature, so everybody sees who we are. Maybe a link to this thread or something?

Feraulaer.

I agree with you completely. I want to foster understanding between rival groups. I also don't want to exclude anyone. The more people that joint eh group, the mroe disagreements we may have but it would be boring if we all thought the same way anyhoo. :p

I was thinking of adding the LGBT thing in the sig too. Someone should come up with a logo. Dobbs is a graphic designer, maybe he will make us one even though he's not part of the group anymore.

Lets try to get along everyone.

Take no action--much as I have disagreements with Mesatecala one pretty much every possible subject, if Mesatecala wants to join, I'd say he qualifies. I like Dobbs--I like him a lot more than I do Mesatecala (and please don't take that as a flame)--but nobody told Dobbs to quit. He walked on his own, which is his right. It's not something I would do personally, but Dobbs did and I can understand that.

You have the same stance as myself on this one.

Dobbs never gave me a chance. He hates me because of my beliefs. Well, I can't hate people. I took him off my ignore list just like anyone else on there. I can't hold grudges. That's not my style.

But I'm not trying to make this thread inflammatory. If you think I am, please complain to the moderators. I was never trying to do that. I was just confused on what this group was for. But as you don't want my assistance, maybe I shouldn't be part of this. I guess if you want me out, I'll be an independent entity working on my own.



Let's face it, you did kinda get the flames started by coming in here saying you won't join such a group and so and so. When after reading the first post it should have been clear that this group wasn't anything close to what you first thought and expressed an opinion against, a few posts in and there should have been no question you were misrepresenting us.

I have no need to get the mods involved. I said I wouldn't mind having you as part of the group and others seem to feel the same way. I just thougt that if the majority of people in the group didn't want to work with you in here then I figured you would not want to be here either.

Let's face it, you did kinda get the flames started by coming in here saying you won't join such a group and so and so. When after reading the first post it should have been clear that this group wasn't anything close to what you first thought and expressed an opinion against, a few posts in and there should have been no question you were misrepresenting us.

I have no need to get the mods involved. I said I wouldn't mind having you as part of the group and others seem to feel the same way. I just thougt that if the majority of people in the group didn't want to work with you in here then I figured you would not want to be here either.

I see. Well I'm sorry and I should of asked for clarifications. Besides, even if I don't join I have enough credibility in this topic to work on my own. I'll stay for now.

Those who think the only people they can work with are those with similiar or nearly identical beliefs.

That was one person so far as I've seen. And i don't think Dobbs simply has a problem with people with people who have different beliefs, I think it's you personally he has a problem with. Of course you having different beliefs comes into it (enough to have you arguing with each other), but I think it's more because of the way you argue and many of us can attest to how flammable you can be. I believe you did have a forumban right?

This is stupid. Why do people even bother trying to create equality...

That was one person so far as I've seen. And i don't think Dobbs simply has a problem with people with people who have different beliefs, I think it's you personally he has a problem with. Of course you having different beliefs comes into it (enough to have you arguing with each other), but I think it's more because of the way you argue and many of us can attest to how flammable you can be. I believe you did have a forumban right?

That forum ban was inappropriate and I detest it to this day. I don't think you understand me. As of now, I withdraw. I don't want any part of this. You keep laying these accusations against me. Do what you want. I'll work on my own. I'll have more power then all of you combined in this topic.

I see. Well I'm sorry and I should of asked for clarifications. Besides, even if I don't join I have enough credibility in this topic to work on my own. I'll stay for now.


Okay great, well welcome aboard and I already listed you.

I want to make sure you know that this group is about helping people with different views understand each others point of view, not to force our views on anyone else - we should specifically avoid that. We don't want to be a "we're right, you're wrong" group.

Oh well then nevermind. If you don't want to work with us because I have a point of view you don't agree with then that is your decision. I guess I can only say - C'ya 'round Charlie Brown.

Oh well then nevermind. If you don't want to work with us because I have a point of view you don't agree with then that is your decision. I guess I can only say - C'ya 'round Charlie Brown.

No it isn't that. You just keep saying those things about me. I would work with you, but you keep calling me inflammatory and I can't really work with someone like that.

This is stupid. Why do people even bother trying to create equality...

:p

Wouldn't it be howlingly funny if I were to suddenly reveal Mesatecala is actually a puppet of mine?

* Except no, he's not, I kid, I kid.

No it isn't that. You just keep saying those things about me. I would work with you, but you keep calling me inflammatory and I can't really work with someone like that.


Sorry, I am just saying what I believe.

Statements like, "I'll have more power then all of you combined in this topic." are easily seen as such. it's like you are pitting yourself against us and discrediting us in one fail swoop. I don't want that kind of image in the group. If you take that kind of attitude against a debate opponent in the name of this group, then it makes us all look bad and take away any credibility that we might build up.

Wouldn't it be howlingly funny if I were to suddenly reveal Mesatecala is actually a puppet of mine?

* Except no, he's not, I kid, I kid.

You are so full of shit, he's my puppet bitch!

Edit: and lol if he really was and you were fucking with us all so hard. I'd keel you till you died from it.

Sorry, I am just saying what I believe.

Statements like, "I'll have more power then all of you combined in this topic." are easily seen as such. it's like you are pitting yourself against us and discrediting us in one fail swoop. I don't want that kind of image in the group. If you take that kind of attitude against a debate opponent in the name of this group, then it makes us all look bad and take away any credibility that we might build up.

Uh huh, I was provoked. How exactly is this group going to work? People already go after the homophobes on this forum... I've been doing it for a long time.

Uh huh, I was provoked. How exactly is this group going to work? People already go after the homophobes on this forum... I've been doing it for a long time.


I don't know we are in our recruiting phase and I have been waiting for input and ideas and stuff. I already threw some ideas out there somewhere in this thread. Some others have too. Still on the subject of being provoked, the point is not to get pissed off at what someone said and go after them with flammability. These kind of actions make people dismiss the real point and focus on the insult or whatever it may be. Fire feeds fire.

I want this group to be a think tank of sorts. I want it to be fun. I think we could produce articles, commentary, fact sheets, art, cartoons, a place where other members of NS can get counseling and whatever. There are no limits to what we can do and what directions we can take.

I don't know we are in our recruiting phase and I have been waiting for input and ideas and stuff. I already threw some ideas out there somewhere in this thread. Some others have too. Still on the subject of being provoked, the point is not to get pissed off at what someone said and go after them with flammability. These kind of actions make people dismiss the real point and focus on the insult or whatever it may be. Fire feeds fire.

I want this group to be a think tank of sorts. I want it to be fun. I think we could produce articles, commentary, fact sheets, art, cartoons, a place where other members of NS can get counseling and whatever. There are no limits to what we can do and what directions we can take.

Oh for christ sakes it's a political forum not a gay ramp. Go to deviantart and make same homo group where you can look at Slash and yaoi and be all sad and whinge about the fact that you like same sex relations elsewhere. Nobdoy cares around here, make a region if you want to. Call it "Homo Island" or whatever you want and you can have your own lil' message board and everything, isn't that great?!

Far out, get over it, your gay, we get it, you;re not gonna get laid by talking about it on nationstates.

I don't know we are in our recruiting phase and I have been waiting for input and ideas and stuff. I already threw some ideas out there somewhere in this thread. Some others have too. Still on the subject of being provoked, the point is not to get pissed off at what someone said and go after them with flammability. These kind of actions make people dismiss the real point and focus on the insult or whatever it may be. Fire feeds fire.

I want this group to be a think tank of sorts. I want it to be fun. I think we could produce articles, commentary, fact sheets, art, cartoons, a place where other members of NS can get counseling and whatever. There are no limits to what we can do and what directions we can take.

Well I will try to steer away from that. But the point is, is this group going to make a thread for itself or something like that? Or go after others in different threads? Anywho.. not to attack him, but what happened to Neo Rogolia? He was the largest religious conservative here...

I typically direct LGBT people to: www.outminds.com

Oh for christ sakes it's a political forum not a gay ramp. Go to deviantart and make same homo group where you can look at Slash and yaoi and be all sad and whinge about the fact that you like same sex relations elsewhere. Nobdoy cares around here, make a region if you want to. Call it "Homo Island" or whatever you want and you can have your own lil' message board and everything, isn't that great?!

Far out, get over it, your gay, we get it, you;re not gonna get laid by talking about it on nationstates.

Whoa dude.. i thought you were a bit cooler then that.. what happened? You used to be so cool about your sexuality.. and now?

feel free to add me.

Oh for christ sakes it's a political forum not a gay ramp. Go to deviantart and make same homo group where you can look at Slash and yaoi and be all sad and whinge about the fact that you like same sex relations elsewhere. Nobdoy cares around here, make a region if you want to. Call it "Homo Island" or whatever you want and you can have your own lil' message board and everything, isn't that great?!

Far out, get over it, your gay, we get it, you;re not gonna get laid by talking about it on nationstates.


If you don't care then why are you here reading what I have to say and responding to it?

If you want to discuss something then do so with civility or there is no point in talking to you at all.

I'm Bi anyway and I get laid nightly by my fiancee :p

enjoy your anger, but be warned that it's not good for your health.

If you don't care then why are you here reading what I have to say and responding to it?

If you want to discuss something then do so with civility or there is no point in talking to you at all.

I'm Bi anyway and I get laid nightly by my fiancee :p

enjoy your anger, but be warned that it's not good for your health.

I like complaining.

Then why are you talking to me oh wise one.

And good, I like my sex too, but people are joining your homoclub because they like to flaunt it. I hate that.

I have a fantastic idea! The LGMT should arm themselves and attack the existing homophobic armies of the world. Shame on their don't ask don't tell policies. If you want to wear fluffy pink or leather in the desert go for it. Praticality, should be thrown out the window and if it prevents you from expressing yourself. The LGMT wants you.

I like complaining.

Then why are you talking to me oh wise one.

And good, I like my sex too, but people are joining your homoclub because they like to flaunt it. I hate that.

Sheesh what the heck happened to you? wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or what? You used to be open about it.. now... I'm joining because I like to flaunt it? Really? I've seen your photos, glinde... please don't talk about people flaunting their sexuality.

Well I will try to steer away from that. But the point is, is this group going to make a thread for itself or something like that? Or go after others in different threads? Anywho.. not to attack him, but what happened to Neo Rogolia? He was the largest religious conservative here...

I typically direct LGBT people to: www.outminds.com

So then you wish to remain in the group?

This group is goign to do a lot of things. Whatever the group wants to do. We will talk in this thread I imagine, we can also, start new threads on specific issues (really now, go back thru the thread and read some of the ideas). It's all just ideas though, there is no specific course set.

oh and Neo Rogolia is a she and I thought she was still around.

I thought it might be nice to have an LGBT community. Anyone is welcome, meaning you don't have to be of any specific sexual orientation.

I feel it would just be helpful to have a group of people, friendly to the LGBT community, band together to organize against discrimination against us here on NS and elsewhere. We could also help each other out with personal problems and whatnot. We could share news and stuff like links to petitions that support our evil agenda :p

Does anyone else here think it would be a good idea?

Do you have any ideas to add?

Maybe an online zine that we are all reporters for. We could write articles and post cartoons and whatnot. I dunno, just trying to make it fun as well as helpful.

Just express that you are definitely interested and I'll add you to the list here:


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**NOTE: The other (original) thread was moved to gameplay because the mods mistook jokes about attacking other countries as roleplay. This is the new official TLA (The LBGT Army) thread**


Add me. I'm T. And proud of it, too!
I demanded a trade to the other team. Got it, too!

Sheesh what the heck happened to you? wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or what? You used to be open about it.. now... I'm joining because I like to flaunt it? Really? I've seen your photos, glinde... please don't talk about people flaunting their sexuality.

Mmm oh sorry, only women are allowed to show there tits in art. I do apoligise for the slip in my artistic merit or mental legic.

Why join this? Why? What is the freakin point? What you going to send 7432809488 telegrams to people going "Today is NationStates rainbow day!"

So then you wish to remain in the group?

This group is goign to do a lot of things. Whatever the group wants to do. We will talk in this thread I imagine, we can also, start new threads on specific issues (really now, go back thru the thread and read some of the ideas). It's all just ideas though, there is no specific course set.

oh and Neo Rogolia is a she and I thought she was still around.

Alright I'll stay for now. I need to see what people are going to do. And I dismayed at glinde for going after you like that...

I know Neo is a she.. that was a typo.

Mmm oh sorry, only women are allowed to show there tits in art. I do apoligise for the slip in my artistic merit or mental legic.

Why join this? Why? What is the freakin point? What you going to send 7432809488 telegrams to people going "Today is NationStates rainbow day!"

What the hell is your problem, dude? I've shown plenty of photos showing my upper body, and I'm a flamer too. I'm very flamboyant. At least I admit it. I don't know why you are ashamed of it... but what happened to you? You used to be cool about things, and now you are just full of sour grapes.

I like complaining.

Then why are you talking to me oh wise one.

And good, I like my sex too, but people are joining your homoclub because they like to flaunt it. I hate that.

I'm talkign to you to give you the chance to have a real conversation.

okay well complain away, it amuses me. as soon as I am bored with it I shall use the ignore trigger and blast you into the land of the unseen. It's just that easy.

I don't see how you could know the reasons of those that are joining my homoclub. perhaps they are doing it for teh reasons stated in the first post. Some just like it cuz I called it an army. you like it cuz it gives you somethign to complain about. We all get something out of it.

What the hell is your problem, dude? I've shown plenty of photos showing my upper body, and I'm a flamer too. I'm very flamboyant. At least I admit it. I don't know why you are ashamed of it... but what happened to you? You used to be cool about things, and now you are just full of sour grapes.

Ashamed of what?

Ashamed of what?

I'm saying I think you are a flamer. And I also think you are ashamed of your sexuality.

I'm saying I think you are a flamer. And I also think you are ashamed of your sexuality.

Let me just say....HA!

Oh that is very rich. Here let me make you feel better: I suck cock, I have a boyfriend, clay miner, fudge packer, fairy, homo, butt pirate, pansy, dancing queen and I am gay.

Happy Birthday, now do I need a club to remind people how gay I am, because we shouldn't be promoting equality for everyone! Just for minorities yay!

Welcome aboard n00berts

*hazing*


mesa to be fair there's no reason to question Glindes reason for not liking that he thinks this group is about flaunting our sexuality.

honestly Glinde, whether you belive it or not - I started this group exactly for the reasons I stated. I want to have a think tank to counter the anti-LGBT stuff here on NS and such like that.

Welcome aboard n00berts

*hazing*


mesa to be fair there's no reason to question Glindes reason for not liking that he thinks this group is about flaunting our sexuality.

honestly Glinde, whether you belive it or not - I started this group exactly for the reasons I stated. I want to have a think tank to counter the anti-LGBT stuff here on NS and such like that.

What anti-LGBT stuff? Here's an idea, don't you go posting on a board saying 'Fundamentalist Christians Unite"

I don't remember do many members of godhatesfags.com on NS...darling (just to remind mesa that I'm 'ok' with it)

Let me just say....HA!

Oh that is very rich. Here let me make you feel better: I suck cock, I have a boyfriend, clay miner, fudge packer, fairy, homo, butt pirate, pansy, dancing queen and I am gay.

Happy Birthday, now do I need a club to remind people how gay I am, because we shouldn't be promoting equality for everyone! Just for minorities yay!

Damn. You really are full of sour grapes. You are so mean. I certainly wouldn't want to be your boyfriend.

The club i'm part of... the LGBT Alliance at my campus organize rallies and such to help promote awareness and civil rights. It isn't about flamboyance or sex.

Then you ask "what anti-LGBT stuff"?

You're full of it. There are a lot of people in this forum who make attacks against gay people. Quite a few religious conservatives.

It almost seems like you want to stop equal rights for gay people (contradicting yourself) because you FEEL LIKE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T PROMOTE CIVIL RIGHTS.

What anti-LGBT stuff?

Haven't been around long? You've never seen the clashes over things like gay marriage? You may not care but that is your right. Far be it from me to tell you how to think.

Damn. You really are full of sour grapes. You are so mean. I certainly wouldn't want to be your boyfriend.

The club i'm part of... the LGBT Alliance at my campus organize rallies and such to help promote awareness and civil rights. It isn't about flamboyance or sex.

Then you ask "what anti-LGBT stuff"?

You're full of it. There are a lot of people in this forum who make attacks against gay people. Quite a few religious conservatives.

I am rather mean aren't I. But hey, I am a 'proud' 'flamebaiter', that's what I'm meant to say right? Darling?

Well you live in a pretty crappy country that needs things like LGBT Alliances so I really don't care.

Yeah, there are people who make attacks on Muslims, Asians, Americans, Hetrosexuals, males, females, dogs, cats, rats, moles, hurricanes...

Hey maybe I should makes the Hurricane and American Alliance club, because you know what, I'm pretty sure they would have the same affect ratio.

I am rather mean aren't I. But hey, I am a 'proud' 'flamebaiter', that's what I'm meant to say right? Darling?

Well you live in a pretty crappy country that needs things like LGBT Alliances so I really don't care.

Yeah, there are people who make attacks on Muslims, Asians, Americans, Hetrosexuals, males, females, dogs, cats, rats, moles, hurricanes...

Hey maybe I should makes the Hurricane and American Alliance club, because you know what, I'm pretty sure they would have the same affect ratio.

You make me sick to my stomach.

I hate to fucking break this to you, but there are fundamentalists out there everywhere... in your country, in my country, in every country in the world. They don't like gay people. You can go stick your fingers in your eyeballs and blind yourself all you want... it doesn't change the pure facts.

YOU MAKE ME SICK.

What anti-LGBT stuff? Here's an idea, don't you go posting on a board saying 'Fundamentalist Christians Unite"

I don't remember do many members of godhatesfags.com on NS...darling (just to remind mesa that I'm 'ok' with it)

I don't see anything wrong with fundamentalist christians uniting. What is the problem with that? I have said earlier that I don't wish to make everyone think like I (we) do and I said that it's good to have people with different opinions join this group because it would be boring if we all thought alike.

You do seem very angry though. Plus you don't seem to have read much of this thread if you have such a skewed idea of what this group is about sweety pie.

You make me sick to my stomach.

I hate to fucking break this to you, but there are fundamentalists out there everywhere... in your country, in my country, in every country in the world. They don't like gay people. You can go stick your fingers in your eyeballs and blind yourself all you want... it doesn't change the pure facts.

YOU MAKE ME SICK.


Gah, stop that!

What is the guy's problem? I used to like him.. thought he was cool.. but man.. did he wake up on the wrong side of the bed or something?

You make me sick to my stomach.

I hate to fucking break this to you, but there are fundamentalists out there everywhere... in your country, in my country, in every country in the world. They don't like gay people. You can go stick your fingers in your eyeballs and blind yourself all you want... it doesn't change the pure facts.

YOU MAKE ME SICK.

Really...go take a pill. It doesn't change the 'pure fact' that this club is pointless and makes you all appear as if you need attention.

As for this clubs meaning...oh yes I had a read...great reasons "I like the word army" ooooooh i can feel a revolution on it's way *gets tingles*

Oh and I'm listening to All That Jazz...is that gay enough yet, maybe I should get some Streisand on and wear a cute little pink cap to the side?

I am rather mean aren't I. But hey, I am a 'proud' 'flamebaiter', that's what I'm meant to say right? Darling?

Well you live in a pretty crappy country that needs things like LGBT Alliances so I really don't care.

Yeah, there are people who make attacks on Muslims, Asians, Americans, Hetrosexuals, males, females, dogs, cats, rats, moles, hurricanes...

Hey maybe I should makes the Hurricane and American Alliance club, because you know what, I'm pretty sure they would have the same affect ratio.

I think you should start that group... and yes it is pretty crappy that we need LGBT alliances to help foster the idea of equal rights for all people.

I think you should start that group... and yes it is pretty crappy that we need LGBT alliances to help foster the idea of equal rights for all people.

Why not just make it a Peace or Equality Army instead of just making another parade then? It seems a little to self sufficent to make you appear as worldly and loving as you're clearly attempting to be.

Really...go take a pill. It doesn't change the 'pure fact' that this club is pointless and makes you all appear as if you need attention.

As for this clubs meaning...oh yes I had a read...great reasons "I like the word army" ooooooh i can feel a revolution on it's way *gets tingles*

Oh and I'm listening to All That Jazz...is that gay enough yet, maybe I should get some Streisand on and we're a cute little pink cap to the side?

Which was just a quick decision I made because I lack a good imagination. I also said it's probably a bad name and suggested that others give me alternative ideas.

Still angry? Still need to continue your rant about nothing? be my guest.

Glinde, cool it. If you don't have anything nice to say, just don't say anything at all.

Which was just a quick decision I made because I lack a good imagination. I also said it's probably a bad name and suggested that others give me alternative ideas.

Still angry? Still need to continue your rant about nothing? be my guest.

the angry part was for Mess, I'm enjoying his reactions.

And mess, i thought you said you were a proud flamebaiter? Aren't you being a TAD hypocritical, honey bunch?

the angry part was for Mess, I'm enjoying his reactions.

You have lost all my respect. I don't think I will say anything to you at all anymore.

My name is also Giancarlo. Also one thing, I said I'm a flamer in the sense I'm flamboyant about my sexuality. Not in the sense that i'm flaming other people on this forum. Read my posts next time.

You have lost all my respect. I don't think I will say anything to you at all anymore.

Sweety pie, my care for where you send your respect means about as much as this 'Army' of Peace and Equality (hmmm sounds Bushite if I'd ever heard a name) will mean in about 6 days.

Ooooh that kind of flamer...well glad thats your foundation for your life :) Sorry Messy, sweety, darling, honey, cutie-pie, bunnykins :)

Why not just make it a Peace or Equality Army instead of just making another parade then? It seems a little to self sufficent to make you appear as worldly and loving as you're clearly attempting to be.

Thats a good idea and I had the idea (later after I started the group) to focus on issues other than LGBT stuff in this group. I was just recently stuck on LGBT issues because of the recent Calif Gay marriage debaucle, so I started a group that focused on just that because it was on my mind. It's probably best if we stick with a smaller set of issues.

Maybe you should start that other group. sounds like you could come up with some killer ideas and perhaps rally a bunch of people to your cause. I would probably join it.

Ooooh that kind of flamer...well glad thats your foundation for your life :)

Are you being sarcastic?

Anyways, the gay marriage activists commited a mistake here in California as that is concerned. We should of gone through the courts, not the legislative branch.

Thats a good idea and I had the idea (later after I started the group) to focus on issues other than LGBT stuff in this group. I was just recently stuck on LGBT issues because of the recent Calif Gay marriage debaucle, so I started a group that focused on just that because it was on my mind. It's probably best if we stick with a smaller set of issues.

Maybe you should start that other group. sounds like you could come up with some killer ideas and perhaps rally a bunch of people to your cause. I would probably join it.

Hmm no, because that's not actually what NationStates forums are for. I still think you should just make a region. You know your never gonna get a sticky thread out of this either.

Fault 78,000 with this # Issues will be lost amongst pages of posts if it were to be made a sticky thread. A weekly thread could be created but it would be over looked as just another thread. And there are also foundations you could participate in who actually have the power to do something in regional (if your serious about small ideas) that would promote you actually doing something and directing you where to go to do something, instead of just getting a bunch of 16 year olds to go "Yeah that sucks!"

Hmm no, because that's not actually what NationStates forums are for. I still think you should just make a region. You know your never gonna get a sticky thread out of this either.

The mods already knew what i was doing and didn't seem to find anythign wrong with it. Besides, I don't want to start a region over it, whats the point in that? I did this to have a think tank group to counter the haters in General pretty much. I don't want to roleplay wars.

Also, I never asked for a sticky, nor do I care for one.

'Army' of Peace and Equality (hmmm sounds Bushite if I'd ever heard a name)
Army of
Peace and
Equality

A.P.E. - !

And you know, he's right insofar as that acronym reminds me of the phrase, "fans of the smirking chimp", i.e. Busheviks. Funny old world. Oh, and I'm still quit, there's just nothing else interesting going on the forums right now.

Army of
Peace and
Equality

A.P.E. - !

And you know, he's right insofar as that acronym reminds me of the phrase, "fans of the smirking chimp", i.e. Busheviks. Funny old world. Oh, and I'm still quit, there's just nothing else interesting going on the forums right now.


You're hilarious and a jerk:D . At least be an unofficial member that participates when you're bored. :p

Fault 78,000 with this # Issues will be lost amongst pages of posts if it were to be made a sticky thread. A weekly thread could be created but it would be over looked as just another thread. And there are also foundations you could participate in who actually have the power to do something in regional (if your serious about small ideas) that would promote you actually doing something and directing you where to go to do something, instead of just getting a bunch of 16 year olds to go "Yeah that sucks!"

I already covered this on an earlier post before you chimed in. Look, just let us be dumbasses that are wasting our time. Its our time to waste dammit :p

well good night folks :fluffle:

The mods already knew what i was doing and didn't seem to find anythign wrong with it. Besides, I don't want to start a region over it, whats the point in that? I did this to have a think tank group to counter the haters in General pretty much. I don't want to roleplay wars.

Also, I never asked for a sticky, nor do I care for one.

The point of a region is so that you could all chat on a single private board without sticking yet another forum about being gay on Nationstates. I'm so bored of it, every single day "Gay Marriage, Adoption and Gays?, Gays and Religion, Gay Parades?, Gay Family, Gay Son, Gay Daughter"

Don't you already have enough outlets to say your opinion? Cause that's the ONLY thing you will be able to achieve on Nationstates. What else can you do besides state your opinion and there is already a myriad of opportunities, to the point it's irritating, hence my EXTREME disliking for this board. I'm just sick of it, I leave for three days hoping for some saught of interesting board maybe on politics or a bit more insight on how Katrina's being handled, and this "Army" is at the top of the page. I'm just, bored of it. And messy, don't talk to me if you don't want to, I was never cool and never tried to be.

I am gay and I know I am. I dislike gays promoting the fact that they are gay to somehow create equality. Sure LGBT Mardi Gras in Sydnay once a year is fun, it's got some important messages, but just as this board it creates a silent segregation that if you step back, is obvious.

Maybe it was your poor choice of titles, but this thread looks like it was created by a gay 13 year old who wanted to reassure to everyone just how gay he was and just how many people he wanted to hear him saying that he's gay.

Army of
Peace and
Equality

A.P.E. - !

And you know, he's right insofar as that acronym reminds me of the phrase, "fans of the smirking chimp", i.e. Busheviks. Funny old world. Oh, and I'm still quit, there's just nothing else interesting going on the forums right now.

Hurrah for your noticing of that and using the word insofar correctly. Ten points!

You're hilarious and a jerk:D . At least be an unofficial member that participates when you're bored. :p
*sighs*

If it's to be remembered that I am a hilarious jerk, I'm sure I could see my way clear to loitering in the back stairway on occasion, Su.

Well I thought I had been a little shallow, so I said "brendan you shouldn't judge others without understand there full agenda" so I read....

So far this Army of peace stands for:

Cat-suits, gay-jousting, rainbow font colours, posting old news reports about schools being irritated at lesbians fucking in their play grounds and the lesbians calling it discrimination and well, thats about when I came in. So I stand by my condemnation of any serious hope of actually doing something with this pile of wasted thread.

Having been away for a couple of days, and returning to find in this thread certain elements with which I in good conscience cannot align myself, I'm afraid that I for personal reasons will have step down and leave this group. Please update the list to reflect this new development.

I do this unwillingly, as I find my principles leave me with no other choice.

Having been away for a couple of days, and returning to find in this thread certain elements with which I in good conscience cannot align myself, I'm afraid that I for personal reasons will have step down and leave this group. Please update the list to reflect this new development.

I do this unwillingly, as I find my principles leave me with no other choice.
Did you think LGBT stood for Light Gerble Based Toffees as well?

Did you think LGBT stood for Light Gerble Based Toffees as well?

Actually, I suspect that someone recently joined that Fass dislikes or has a problem with...and he is not naming the individual, in order to avoid being accused of flaming.

I think Fass maybe has a problem with a particular person, and not with GLBT folks. I have participated in a lot of threads with Fass, and I know he knew what GLBT was...and that he doesn't seem to have any problems with GLBT people, either.

I have participated in a lot of threads with Fass, and I know he knew what GLBT was...and that he doesn't seem to have any problems with GLBT people, either.
Except for one.

* And we all know who that might be, now don't we kids?

The point of a region is so that you could all chat on a single private board without sticking yet another forum about being gay on Nationstates. I'm so bored of it, every single day "Gay Marriage, Adoption and Gays?, Gays and Religion, Gay Parades?, Gay Family, Gay Son, Gay Daughter"

Don't you already have enough outlets to say your opinion? Cause that's the ONLY thing you will be able to achieve on Nationstates. What else can you do besides state your opinion and there is already a myriad of opportunities, to the point it's irritating, hence my EXTREME disliking for this board. I'm just sick of it, I leave for three days hoping for some saught of interesting board maybe on politics or a bit more insight on how Katrina's being handled, and this "Army" is at the top of the page. I'm just, bored of it. And messy, don't talk to me if you don't want to, I was never cool and never tried to be.

I am gay and I know I am. I dislike gays promoting the fact that they are gay to somehow create equality. Sure LGBT Mardi Gras in Sydnay once a year is fun, it's got some important messages, but just as this board it creates a silent segregation that if you step back, is obvious.

Maybe it was your poor choice of titles, but this thread looks like it was created by a gay 13 year old who wanted to reassure to everyone just how gay he was and just how many people he wanted to hear him saying that he's gay.


OK, what the heck happened? Yesterday this was a thread about people finding ways of promoting equality, and having a good time while doing it. Today, it seems to have been hijacked by people who insist on insulting others just for the heck of it.

And just for the record, I am a 40 year old woman, so none of the crap you have written about who posts here applies to me. I am, however, a strong supporter of equal rights for everyone, even those who insist on attacking people who are trying to support them.

OK, what the heck happened? Yesterday this was a thread about people finding ways of promoting equality, and having a good time while doing it. Today, it seems to have been hijacked by people who insist on insulting others just for the heck of it..

I'd have to second this one. This thing is falling apart because people are acting very combative and are outright insulting one another; if we're going to do this I think we need to set down some rules and get rid of anyone who is causing problems through whatever means necessary.

Did you think LGBT stood for Light Gerble Based Toffees as well?

Oh, get the bloody hell over yourself! Nobody's forcing you to participate in this, and nobody appreciates you acting like a spiteful little jerk. Be the grown-up you so clearly wish to portray yourself as and stop it with this childish behaviour.

I have participated in a lot of threads with Fass, and I know he knew what GLBT was...and that he doesn't seem to have any problems with GLBT people, either.

Being gay myself, it would be rather silly of me to have a problem with GLBT people. :p

Except for one.

Let's not go there, Dobbs. It's not worth it, and I'd rather the reasons for me leaving be left outside of this thread. If some people really want to know, I have a TG box just like everybody else.

It's irritating that people are coming on here just to disagree and clog up the space just to clog it up. This thread was the beginnings of an idea; not the idea itself. Therefore, there is going to be lots of posts with jokes about jousting and codpieces before we get to any issues like what is going to be done, how it's going to be handled and so on and so forth.

As for controversial members, I think if we can all attempt to KEEP OUR TEMPERS AND NOT POST ANGRY we will be okay. I've seen a lot of needless bickering that could have been stopped cold if one of the parties just stepped back, acted like an adult and DIDN'T REPLY.

I think one of the things we could do with this group among others is how to plan for civil protests in terms of organisation and recruiting willing members. Also, do members of this army (group, club, coalition, alliance?) want to present a united front? I mean if there's a thread on the General Board that is talking about gay issues do we want a representative to speak for us? I know some of the religious zealots get me so mad I just don't post so I don't get forum banned. But there are several people here who remain calm and erudite in the face of such ignorance, and it might be better if they spoke for the group. Does that idea suck, or what? I really don't know. Also, someone posted that perhaps we should state our sexuality/preferences, just so we know what we're dealing with; it could also be a good idea so we know how wide of a mix we have here.

As for me I'm a 31 year old straight female with hubby and kids. If all I'm good for here is to cheer from the sidelines, well you'll have a really uncoordinated, really loud cheering section of one. So far. :)

Are you being sarcastic?

Anyways, the gay marriage activists commited a mistake here in California as that is concerned. We should of gone through the courts, not the legislative branch.
The fundy criticism of the gay rights movement, especially as it concerns same-sex marriage, has usually centered around the idea that gay rights groups go through the courts instead of the legislative process. The threat of a hostile court ruling spawned DOMA. Vermont passed a civil unions bill in direct response to a court ruling. Massachusetts started marrying same-sex couples because of a court ruling.

Connecticut became the first state to pass a civil unions bill without being forced to by a court, and that was a huge deal. California passes a same-sex marriage bill without a court order and you want to argue that the issue is better in front of the courts instead of the legislature? God damn--give the fundies even more ammo, why don't you? I know you love Arnold, but do you have to regurgitate his talking points wholesale?

The legislature is precisely the place where you want this sort of thing to take place if you can, because the people speak through their representatives, and representatives can be recalled or not re-elected if they go against the will of their constituency. The courts ought to be the last place you go if you can avoid it.

And good, I like my sex too, but people are joining your homoclub because they like to flaunt it. I hate that.
And I hate people assuming I do something for a reason I'm not doing it. This is a very limited view you're presenting here...
I am here to exchange ideas about how to handle people who for some reason find my lifestyle, and with that my presence, unacceptable. If I wanted to flaunt my homosexuality, I'd be running around town dressed in drag harrassing men.
you;re not gonna get laid by talking about it on nationstates.
Fuck, I'm not? Damn...

Sign me up.

Sign me up. Maybe I will get laid for talking about my gayness.

No, wait, I quit.

*no I don't. I wanna see if I can get laid first.

And we have a thread people in the 'army' may be interested in...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443451

Militant gays? What are they going to do, flip out and set anti-gays on fire with vaseline? ;)

Just joking, best of luck. But please don't turn into a bunch of bitching harpies like a certain other movement did.

If all I'm good for here is to cheer from the sidelines, well you'll have a really uncoordinated, really loud cheering section of one.

Make that two.

I'm equally straight, female and parental, plus being able to give Muntoo a good 20 years, but I've certainly got an interest here.

The eldest of my sons seems to be straight. The younger ones are currently more interested in, respectively, computers and fan-fics, though, based on the mild porn they access (they think Mum's too old to know about the History button), I'd say they're straight, too. So are my daughters, I think. But really, who knows?

However, their sorta-godfather is definitely gay. I say "sorta-godfather" because we're not religious, so we didn't do any "renounce the devil" stuff. However, he's named in my Will and my husband's as the guardian for our kids if we die before they all turn 18.

He's also a practising Catholic, apart from a brief period of defiance when he was in his 20s. So he's effectively, strugglingly, celibate, and bitterly despises himself for being what his God made him. This, from a guy so good we'd give him our kids! We've watched him suffer so many times -- times when he wanted to "fall", but didn't; times when he probably did; either way, bad times.

He's part of a large circle of enthusiastically reproductive friends, so there are plenty of kids in his life. One teenage girl went to live with him for 18 months while she sorted out her relationship with her parents. Others move in or out of his place when they're studying or travelling. We're all lucky he's there.

He's got "children" and even "grandchildren". He's got his mathematics and his students. He's got more love than many a family guy. Most of the time, he's not just happy, he's joyful.

But it wasn't his choice! Partly because of his religion, true, and his religion is a matter of choice, because he went back to it. So even if society had been different, he might still have been where he is today. Besides, lots of life isn't a matter of choice, no matter who or what you are.

All the same, I don't want my kids or their kids to go through what he has gone through. For years he insisted we "keep it from the children". Apparently the Catholic church is more relaxed now. He told our daughter when she decided to become a Catholic, and then told the rest of his ... fosterlings. But why should he ever have had to hide, or think he would shame the kids?

So that's why I'm here.

The fundy criticism of the gay rights movement, especially as it concerns same-sex marriage, has usually centered around the idea that gay rights groups go through the courts instead of the legislative process. The threat of a hostile court ruling spawned DOMA. Vermont passed a civil unions bill in direct response to a court ruling. Massachusetts started marrying same-sex couples because of a court ruling.

In my opinion, I think going through the court process has been more effective, no matter what fundies think. The same kind of people put up the same kind of argument when the Supreme Court made the decision in 1954 (Brown versus Board of Education). Though the ruling was not really followed until a decade later with the creation of the Civil Rights act.

Connecticut became the first state to pass a civil unions bill without being forced to by a court, and that was a huge deal. California passes a same-sex marriage bill without a court order and you want to argue that the issue is better in front of the courts instead of the legislature? God damn--give the fundies even more ammo, why don't you? I know you love Arnold, but do you have to regurgitate his talking points wholesale?

You need to get off your damn high horse. Which state has marriage in this country? Massaschusetts. How did that state get it? Through the court system. People like you don't even know what facts are if they were to hit you on the head. I've been working with this movement at far greater amounts then you have. Arnold is no fundie or homophobe (he signed an equal insurance law which provided a great deal of benefits for same sex couples).. for some reason that never had too much press. Give the fundies more ammo? You truly are full of it.

The legislature is precisely the place where you want this sort of thing to take place if you can, because the people speak through their representatives, and representatives can be recalled or not re-elected if they go against the will of their constituency. The courts ought to be the last place you go if you can avoid it.

NO!

They are the least effective place to do so because lets face it.. they would not vote for it because it would be political suicide. It is best to go through the courts and get marriage like what happened in Massaschusetts. The courts can at least bypass gross violations committed by the "tyranny of the majority" syndrome.

Oh and your little stupid personal attacks better stop now. You don't know anything about me when it comes to Arnold.

Okay back, I had a nice weekend. I came in to see the progress of this thread and saw the drama and promptly left. I'll do the list updates soon, I'm a bit busy at work. I'll also address ideas thrown out there and come up with a list and maybe we can start voting on actions to take.

Thanks to those of you who are showing your support for the basic idea of the group and are offering helpful suggestions.

Mesa I asked you to stop being so inflammatory on THIS thread (do whatever you want anywhere else, I don't care), because we should be able to get along if we are goig to work towards similar goals. Even if someone says something to you which could be construed as an attack, don't reciprocate. Think of it as a test for when we go to make our argument in the name of the group. I already expected this group to have disagreements on how to handle issues, and when you came in I knew those disagreements would increase 10 fold, but we really don't need to make statements like "People like you don't even know what facts are if they were to hit you on the head." (what people would that be?) or "You truly are full of it". Once again I will ask you to please be civil.

The point of a region is so that you could all chat on a single private board without sticking yet another forum about being gay on Nationstates. I'm so bored of it, every single day "Gay Marriage, Adoption and Gays?, Gays and Religion, Gay Parades?, Gay Family, Gay Son, Gay Daughter"

Don't you already have enough outlets to say your opinion? Cause that's the ONLY thing you will be able to achieve on Nationstates. What else can you do besides state your opinion and there is already a myriad of opportunities, to the point it's irritating, hence my EXTREME disliking for this board. I'm just sick of it, I leave for three days hoping for some saught of interesting board maybe on politics or a bit more insight on how Katrina's being handled, and this "Army" is at the top of the page. I'm just, bored of it. And messy, don't talk to me if you don't want to, I was never cool and never tried to be.

I am gay and I know I am. I dislike gays promoting the fact that they are gay to somehow create equality. Sure LGBT Mardi Gras in Sydnay once a year is fun, it's got some important messages, but just as this board it creates a silent segregation that if you step back, is obvious.

Maybe it was your poor choice of titles, but this thread looks like it was created by a gay 13 year old who wanted to reassure to everyone just how gay he was and just how many people he wanted to hear him saying that he's gay.


Oh I did not know that about regions. Thanks for the tips. At least this group gives you another reason to complain. You should be grateful. Oh and I am a bi 30 year old posing as a gay 13 year old in most chatrooms so wow you are like psychic or something.

*sighs*

If it's to be remembered that I am a hilarious jerk, I'm sure I could see my way clear to loitering in the back stairway on occasion, Su.

Glad to hear it. :fluffle:

I'd have to second this one. This thing is falling apart because people are acting very combative and are outright insulting one another; if we're going to do this I think we need to set down some rules and get rid of anyone who is causing problems through whatever means necessary.


Yeah - please help me in organizing a rule sheet my friends. So when those rules are broken we can take action.