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Pedophilia is NOT a sexual orientation.
I would have to disgaree there. A sexual orientation defines a persons preferred sexual and/or romantic partner...by definition, then, I would classify paedophlia, zoophilia, necrophlia, heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality all as sexual orientations. That doesn't mean they are all alike from a moral or legal standpoint, of course...

I would have to disgaree there. A sexual orientation defines a persons preferred sexual and/or romantic partner...by definition, then, I would classify paedophlia, zoophilia, necrophlia, heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality all as sexual orientations. That doesn't mean they are all alike from a moral or legal standpoint, of course...

Perhaps, but do you feel as if this guy is going down a slippery slope argument?

Perhaps, but do you feel as if this guy is going down a slippery slope argument?
I'm not quite sure what he's getting at...I have found it hard to make sense of much of what he has posted...

I'm not quite sure what he's getting at...I have found it hard to make sense of much of what he has posted...

I think we are on the same planet. I'm really trying hard to understand what he is saying... it is just very difficult...

I would have to disgaree there. A sexual orientation defines a persons preferred sexual and/or romantic partner...by definition, then, I would classify paedophlia, zoophilia, necrophlia, heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality all as sexual orientations. That doesn't mean they are all alike from a moral or legal standpoint, of course...
THANK YOU! my own intent was to use it as an example as you all recll, to explain my theory on neuter lust, morphed by society into sexual preferences..if i had known youd all have such a hard time understanding.....well i probably would have posted anyway. regardless, MY mistake was assuming that you all saw pedophilia as a sexual preference and a crime, and could distinguish for the sake of my post. Oh well. as they say, when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

THANK YOU! my own intent was to use it as an example as you all recll, to explain my theory on neuter lust, morphed by society into sexual preferences..if i had known youd all have such a hard time understanding.....well i probably would have posted anyway. regardless, MY mistake was assuming that you all saw pedophilia as a sexual preference and a crime, and could distinguish for the sake of my post. Oh well. as they say, when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

You have issues forming a coherent argument, and he said it himself. There are things that are immoral and will stay that way (animals cannot consent, children cannot consent). So please, understand this.. you need to stop resorting to logical fallacies (ad hominems, slippery slope arguments) and form an argument that we all can understand.

You have an excellent point. However, my intent was to explain that when a human commits an act of abuse on another human being, it is wrong as all humans are created equal, and have an equal right to choose. Unfortunately we have removed the pedophile, or "gertrude's" right to choose by stating that an act of sex between a minor and an adult is abhorrhent, and we have removed the minor's right to choose by stating that he is not old enough to decide yet with whom he/she goes to bed with.
Children do not have a right to choose, because they cannot exercise such a right. Such a right would be redundent. To pretend children can exercise such a right, is pathological towards children.

I stress CHOOSE, because i assumed in this forum we were discussing consentual sexual preferences. I personally and truly believe that a consentual act between two consenting humans is not a bad thing.
I believe that to, however I also believe that ability to consent is a necessary condition to consent.

Notice I say human not adult, or pedophile, or heterosexual, or homosexual, or whatever other piece of garbage term you can throw at me. The fact is, that my point is proven with yours and several other comments made. I explained that the average reaction to anything of such a sensitive matter in society was often met harshly, and here it is.
A harsh reaction does not prove your point, it simply suggests some opposition to your point.

Anyway, the point is not whether or not a word represents the "thing" as you stated, but the aura and stigma attached to the word that is meant to convey something negative: the ultimate tabboo in a society where we raise children in ignorance and then tell them they are too stupid to choose;
Who's telling them they are too stupid, or raising them in ignorance?

a society where we raise people to feel disgusted and trapped within their own desires, because the object of their desires was raised so innocent, how can one defile something so innocent?
Actually I really dont care what people desire, my concern is what they do.

And once they do, consentual or not, it becomes something evil, even in my own eyes.
We are not talking about an act in which all participants consent. We are talking about an act in which at least one participant is not able to consent.

For though I don't believe that we should teach our youth like that, we do it anyway, and so it becomes "Evil" and the commiter of the act becomes a "monster", a doer of evil.
Whether or not 'it' is evil, it is pathological, and harms a non consenting person.

Glad to see we can agree on something, zagat.

i'm curious, zagat, you never made a choice as a child?

Alright! i'd love to argue further, but since where i am its very late (some would say early ) I'm going to clarify the reason i came here, if anyone missed it under my far-out views, which many of my closest friends deem eccentric. Let the record show, Sexual preference:Bi-sexual Gender:Male, age:16 marital status: probably someday, and... oh yeah Poltical: Liberal, as youve guessed.

i'm curious, zagat, you never made a choice as a child?
Of course I made choices as a child, many of them very childish choices. Is this in some way relevent to the topic at hand, or merely conversation to pass the time of day?

Alright! i'd love to argue further, but since where i am its very late (some would say early ) I'm going to clarify the reason i came here, if anyone missed it under my far-out views, which many of my closest friends deem eccentric. Let the record show, Sexual preference:Bi-sexual Gender:Male, age:16 marital status: probably someday, and... oh yeah Poltical: Liberal, as youve guessed.

You're being illogical, not eccentric. Your views aren't far out. They are far fetched from reality. And liberals aren't anarchists (I think you're an anarchist).

Your views aren't far out. They are far fetched from reality.
After complaining about the other poster re: illogic versus eccentricity, you follow up with this bit of doublespeak? It'd even have been funny if you'd told it as a joke. But you didn't, so it's not.

It's just illogical and unfunny instead.

After complaining about the other poster re: illogic versus eccentricity, you follow up with this bit of doublespeak? It'd even have been funny if you'd told it as a joke. But you didn't, so it's not.

It's just illogical and unfunny instead.

You need to stop harassing me.

And I thought you were blocking me? Obviously you haven't contributed to this thread.

i am a bi sexual and i think that my political ideals result in saying that i think half of the politicians love the co*k anyway that is what i think...... i am on NS cuz my friend is

You need to stop harassing me.

And I thought you were blocking me? Obviously you haven't contributed to this thread.
And I thought you were blocking me, too. Ah-ha! :eek: *arches the obligatory eyebrow*

Okay, cope with this: I'm not actually harassing you at all, Mes. I'm 'calling you out', reasonably enough, for an omission of logic in a post wherein you chastised somebody for their poor logic. That's not harassment.

That's contributing, after a fashion. :p

Be seeing you! :D

And I thought you were blocking me, too. Ah-ha! :eek: *arches the obligatory eyebrow*

Okay, cope with this: I'm not actually harassing you at all, Mes. I'm 'calling you out', reasonably enough, for an omission of logic in a post wherein you chastised somebody for their poor logic. That's not harassment.

That's contributing, after a fashion. :p

Be seeing you! :D

You are the one lacking in logic. I'm not. I'm just curious why some kid would want to get rid of age of consent. I do not have poor logic. You cannot go around attacking me in every single thread, pal. That's against the rules.

You are the one lacking in logic. I'm not. I'm just curious why some kid would want to get rid of age of consent. I do not have poor logic. You cannot go around attacking me in every single thread, pal. That's against the rules.
I'm not going around attacking you in every single thread. That's rather unfair, and I still don't get the reason why you always choose to be a wet blanket whenever someone so much as cracks a grin in your presence.

Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, okay? It's only meant in a spirit of late-night, ain't-it-great-to-be-the-weekend, mildly ribald sense of humour, much in evidence on any number of other threads appearing at this same time on General in NS.

Sorry to interrupt the fun times you were having.

I'm not going around attacking you in every single thread. That's rather unfair, and I still don't get the reason why you always choose to be a wet blanket whenever someone so much as cracks a grin in your presence.

Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, okay? It's only meant in a spirit of late-night, ain't-it-great-to-be-the-weekend, mildly ribald sense of humour, much in evidence on any number of other threads appearing at this same time on General in NS.

Sorry to interrupt the fun times you were having.

This is not about humor, or about anything like that. I'm seriously having a hard time understanding what Pyladia is trying to say. I think it is a language barrier on his end (and an inability to put together a coherent argument). I'm not looking for your dry, uninspiring "humor".

I must apologize for my prievious post - my friend got on when i wasn't there... to answer the questions of the thread, I am a "bisexual female" i also support the idea of having an "other" option in respect for those of us who dont appreciate the binary gender/ sexuality option. As for my political ideals, i believe in freedom before security, a strong economic system and universal access to housing, education, healthcare, childcare, work opportunities, etc. I am not big on military, mostly because of the beurocratic policies (that define the objectives) being so easily corrupted. I consider myself a centerist in general but have strong values relating to many interests. I am on ns because one of my friends showed it to me and it is a good way to interact with others ouside my currently limited social group.

I am a male who will fuck anyone who is interesting enough. Nothing goes in the exhaust though, that just hurts like buggery, funnily enough. What a terrible simile.

I am a worm.

??? An invasion of your privacy thread :p

Sorry to invade your privacy all, I am intrested to find out the sexuality make up of the NS forum. I am also intrested to find out wether if you are gay or straight and that leads to your political ideals. In addition I want to find out what brings you 2 NS especially if you arw gay.

I am Lez Fem myself .....

HetErosexual male, I am.

I am unclear how that tells you anything about my politics.

Actually, I think most people define their sexuality based on the way their brain responds to different pheremones. It just happens that most people's brains only respond with attraction to the type of pheremones matched to people with one set of genitals, or the other. I expect many would dearly love to be unencumbered by such restrictions, as you seem to be, but unfortunately that is not the case.

[/"mild", in literary terms, voice]
Actually, there is currently no scientific evidence that shows conclusively that humans respond to pheromones at all. Smell is a factor in human sexual behavior, of course, but that is very different from pheromone responses. To claim that sexuality is defined by a trait that we don't even know humans possess is a bit premature, don't you think?

im hetro dude,but how i wish i was a lez famme!!! :fluffle: :D :D :D

PEACE

You should really make an 'other' option because none of those apply to me.

I'm trying to make up a word to best describe my sexuality, but for now im sticking with 'pomosexual' (postmodern)
Basically claiming to be pomosexual, in a way, means you are really no specific sexuality; though under the right conditions you may be any sexuality...
(a few examples: a girl may be a gay man at times, she may be a lesbian with a male lover, same can be said for a pomosexual male.)

The possibilities are rather infinite and all depend on the situation (which is why the term is based on postmodernism...)

ROFL Brilliant! Yeah who needs a label to identify themselves anyways?

One of my ex's was a physically male, self-identified transgendered lesbian ... I stopped asking questions about sexuality after that ánd stopped caring - after all if it feels good for both of you who cares!

ROFL Brilliant! Yeah who needs a label to identify themselves anyways?

One of my ex's was a physically male, self-identified transgendered lesbian ... I stopped asking questions about sexuality after that ánd stopped caring - after all if it feels good for both of you who cares!
Fascinating! So why did they become an "ex?"

Fascinating! So why did they become an "ex?"

We moved to different parts of the country to go to college - but it was a convenient excuse cause we had been growing apart anyways. It was a mutual decision and we've stayed good friends. She has a girlfriend now and they're sickeningly in love, it's cute but nauseating :)

If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I ask because I am doing an informal survey regarding female sexual activity and age...I read something that suggested women are "most sexual" between 30 and 40 years old, and I am trying to find out if women's responses match up with that.

Horribly belated response, but I'm seventeen.

Hetero male. :D

We moved to different parts of the country to go to college - but it was a convenient excuse cause we had been growing apart anyways. It was a mutual decision and we've stayed good friends. She has a girlfriend now and they're sickeningly in love, it's cute but nauseating :)
LOL! I can only try to imagine the conflicted feelings! :D

Thanks for the input. :)

Actually, let me clarify.

I'm definitely a hetero male. There was a point in time in which I considered the idea that I could be bi. This lasted for a couple days, until I realized something.

I, myself, don't find guys attractive. At all. I can acknowledge that they are attractive, but to me -- sorry guys -- you're just not going to attract me one bit.

It also helps that I find girls WAY easier to get along with...

I'm a heterosexual female. I think. I am definitely attracted to males. I tend to favor androgyny, though. I like androgynous males, certainly, and also, to a certain extent, androgynous females. Also, if I am reading comics or manga or something, I'm as likely to find the female characters attractive as I am to find the male ones attractive. I'm usually not attracted to females in real life, though... usually. Actually, I'm a little confused about it right now. Maybe some people would classify me as "bi-curious" but I hate that word. It's not like I'm going around saying, "gee, I wonder what it would be like to be bi, maybe I should try it out." I'm just not sure whether I am or not. I don't have a curiousity that needs satisfying (http://www.qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=311). So yeah. Anyway. In conclusion: I'm probably straight.

i consider myself to be a mostly heterosexual woman, which is to say that from i find women physically attractive, but i've never yet been attracted TO them. i just can't get into it that much. more than a few of my female friends have turned out to have strong romantic interest in me i've tried, but one kiss and it does nothing for me.

Totally gay male. No boobs for me, only dicks. :D

ROFL Brilliant! Yeah who needs a label to identify themselves anyways?

One of my ex's was a physically male, self-identified transgendered lesbian ... I stopped asking questions about sexuality after that ánd stopped caring - after all if it feels good for both of you who cares!



Woooooooooooooooo!
I like you. When the revolution comes and all that stuff.


No prizes for guessing that I'm a physically male, self-identified transgendered lesbian :D

Sorry, but what's with gay guys and the "I love cock/I love dick" comments, is it really necessary? I don't feel the need to quantify "I'm a straight male" with "I love vagina!"...:p

So there are more gay Males on here than Heterosexual Females?? That's lovely.....