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??? An invasion of your privacy thread :p

Sorry to invade your privacy all, I am intrested to find out the sexuality make up of the NS forum. I am also intrested to find out wether if you are gay or straight and that leads to your political ideals. In addition I want to find out what brings you 2 NS especially if you arw gay.

I am Lez Fem myself .....

I vote invasion of privacy!

Male,straight

Heterosexual.

...yeah.

I think it would be prudent to have some sort of a detailed maiden post. It just doesn't feel right, or welcome discussion, with a single sentence, and a single poll.

Female, completely straight. Completely against homophobia, though!

110% Gay. And I'm loving it :)

How is it an invasion of privacy? You don't HAVE to answer...

How is it an invasion of privacy? You don't HAVE to answer...


Oh please i was only joking.for it to be an invasion of privacy you'd have to somehow find out without our knowing.then it might be an invasion of privacy.

Why did you even ask?j/k

Its just that somepeople may not wantto discuss sexuality for many reasons ... I hate to make people uncomftable ... well unless they like it!!! :p

hetro male but have nothing against homosexual and bi-sexual people. a few of my friends where bi-sexual and 1 was homosexual. :fluffle:

strait mail.

Oh please i was only joking.for it to be an invasion of privacy you'd have to somehow find out without our knowing.then it might be an invasion of privacy.

Why did you even ask?j/k

Ya definitely joking.. heheh.. it would be an insult to me if people who walked pass me did not know. With all the rainbow I wear.. heheheh... I have this beautiful rainbow belt..

On the Kinsey scale, I'm about a 7. But when I'm drunk, I'm a flat 5. ;)

bi females represent!

though i prefer the term queer because 'bi'sexual suggests a binary gender system [when in reality gender is much more complex than simply male or female]. yeahhhh

bi females represent!

though i prefer the term queer because 'bi'sexual suggests a binary gender system [when in reality gender is much more complex than simply male or female]. yeahhhh

Sorry I did not mean to offend, sorry all if offended :(

hetro male but have nothing against homosexual and bi-sexual people. a few of my friends where bi-sexual and 1 was homosexual. :fluffle:

if they were, why aren't they now? did they 'turn' un-bi or un-gay again? :p j/k

EDIT: forgot to add i'm a bi-male lol, i'd forget my head if wasn't screwed on :rolleyes:

Sorry I did not mean to offend, sorry all if offended :(
On NS, please don't try to please everybody. It's like teaching a dog to fly-- A waste of your valuable time.

That's rather odd (and scary) that there are so many "bi-curious/sexual" males. :eek:

That's rather odd (and scary) that there are so many "bi-curious/sexual" males. :eek:
It's rather odd and scary that you've revealed yourself to be a biggot in less than 20 posts. :p

??? An invasion of your privacy thread :p

Sorry to invade your privacy all, I am intrested to find out the sexuality make up of the NS forum. I am also intrested to find out wether if you are gay or straight and that leads to your political ideals. In addition I want to find out what brings you 2 NS especially if you arw gay.

I am Lez Fem myself .....

Bisexual male. I'm very liberal, and pro-communism. As for what brings me to Nationstates...Well, General itself is a source of great amusement and a great place to learn, imo. I was hooked once I first wandered in here.

A rather peculiar bisexual male, myself. Trying to find a girlfriend for my boyfriend. :D

Hetero female through and through---though I have no problem with other people's sexuality...be it bi, gay, striaght...or curious

Bi female.

Yay for me.

150% gay, and it keeps growing by the day :D

I accept everyone - my gold rule, do what you want, just make sure it doesn't cost me anything.

As for privacy - to quote Larry Ellison: "you have no privacy, get over it!"

bi females represent!

though i prefer the term queer because 'bi'sexual suggests a binary gender system [when in reality gender is much more complex than simply male or female]. yeahhhh

Well, queer is normally used to describe the WHOLE GLBT community - its the old 'taking back a derogatory word, and using it for pride".

How about something off Fat Pizza (Aussie Comedy) - Both-o-sexual :D

As for my political leanings, I'm a libertarian - right wing economics and left wing socially - I have a bit of a small amount of anarchism as well :D

I'm a heterosexual male and proud of it :D

Well, queer is normally used to describe the WHOLE GLBT community - its the old 'taking back a derogatory word, and using it for pride".

How about something off Fat Pizza (Aussie Comedy) - Both-o-sexual :D

As for my political leanings, I'm a libertarian - right wing economics and left wing socially - I have a bit of a small amount of anarchism as well :D

We're a bit the same ;)

Yeah i'm like totally queer, totally fruity, totally gay... people call me a fruit trying to use it in a derogatory manner.. who says being a fruit is a bad thing.. fruits taste sweet and are colorful...

We're a bit the same ;)

Yeah i'm like totally queer, totally fruity, totally gay... people call me a fruit trying to use it in a derogatory manner.. who says being a fruit is a bad thing.. fruits taste sweet and are colorful...I hate fruits... In fact, the only fruits I'll eat are apples, watermelons, and (seedless) grapes. :p

I hate fruits... In fact, the only fruits I'll eat are apples, watermelons, and (seedless) grapes. :p

i love all fruits..

if there is a fruit I would be.. wait I'm already one.. but really.. a strawberry

hetro male but have nothing against homosexual and bi-sexual people. a few of my friends where bi-sexual and 1 was homosexual. :fluffle:

"WAS" ?!? :eek:

i love all fruits..

if there is a fruit I would be.. wait I'm already one.. but really.. a strawberryI stopped eating those because of the little orange things on its skin...:(

I would come out and say “Yes, I am a Bisexual.” But that is considered such a cop out. I am attracted to Women as well as Men, but people just assume you’re a girl who’s begging for attention. :(

I stopped eating those because of the little orange things on its skin...:(

You mean the seeds?

Sexuality is relative. Under certain circumstances hetro females will hook up with other females. Women tend to be much more liberal and accepting of the fluidity of sexuality. Men on the other tend to be much more rigid not because they are completely straight but because it is social stigma. For a man to come to terms with his natural sexuality it usually involves alcohol to grease the wheels. I've had way too many of my "straight" friends come onto me after a few too many drinks.

I myself am bisexual in sex, though straight when it comes to feelings/love. My political views are moderate/centrist. The extremes on both sides are normally wrong, I tend to lean a bit more conservative economically, fiscal responsibility and all that, and socially progressive, everyone should be treated equally and what someone does in private should remain just that private.

Hetero male. Boring, but it's me. :p

You mean the seeds?I wouldn't know :p I hate strawberries and finding out whether it was because of the seeds doesn't really matter to me :D

We're a bit the same ;)

Yeah i'm like totally queer, totally fruity, totally gay... people call me a fruit trying to use it in a derogatory manner.. who says being a fruit is a bad thing.. fruits taste sweet and are colorful...

Same here; bigots fail to realise that there is NOTHING they can say that can insult me; I'm quite happy to say that I'm Matty, the local token fudge packer.

It pisses them off knowing they have no material that works.

As for fruite, give me a big bowl of everything :D

It's rather odd and scary that you've revealed yourself to be a biggot in less than 20 posts. :p

What, you're not tolerant of bigots? :cool:

i love all fruits..

if there is a fruit I would be.. wait I'm already one.. but really.. a strawberry

Why the hell would you want to be a strawberry?

I wouldn't mind being a passionfruit. Good name, is sweet and looks pleasant (except the wrinkly ones).

Apples, thats a good fruit: firm but soft, sweet, juicy and there are plenty locally.

strait mail.
Is that anything like "snail mail?" Can you email a "strait mail?" More to the point, can you "fax Max?"

I would come out and say “Yes, I am a Bisexual.” But that is considered such a cop out. I am attracted to Women as well as Men, but people just assume you’re a girl who’s begging for attention. :(
And what's wrong with wanting attention? Everyone needs attention. :)

Hetero male. Boring, but it's me. :p
Why would you feel the need to apologize for being who and what you are? Strange. :confused:

Heteromale, and my fiancee can confrim that. Though I have been hit on by a few gay friends before they found out. Go fig?

I put bisexual male, because that was the closest option to a lack of sexual preference. Since, I hold the whole practice in contempt, it doesn't really bother me if my own agenda forces me into bed with either sex.

I'm quite happy to say that I like men.

I've never gotten hit on though :( ...except over the internet by some fourteen year old, which was weird:eek:

Pffft, all these stupid phrases, you know once upon a time you were either gay or straight none of this Bi Curious but not willing to engage in blah blah rubbish.


:p

Surely there should be "Asexual" and "Not sure" options as well, can't leave anyone out can we :D .

I'm the Bi-man, the conservative, republican, NRA member, southerner bi-man(try figuring that one out!)

I'm the Bi-man, the conservative, republican, NRA member, southerner bi-man(try figuring that one out!)
You are to be commended for managing to keep your politics and your sexuality sufficiently distinct that neither rules the other. :)

You are to be commended for managing to keep your politics and your sexuality sufficiently distinct that neither rules the other. :)

Thank you.

I have always been a heterosexual female, maybe with leanings towards bi-curious.

But lately i have (voluntarily) been suffering from that hawaiian disease, lackanookie.

Though i say i am 'suffering' from it, i must say that the suffering is much less than the 'suffering' usually accompanying my relationships :D

I just finally decided getting laid wasn't worth the bullshit.

I have always been a heterosexual female, maybe with leanings towards bi-curious.

But lately i have (voluntarily) been suffering from that hawaiian disease, lackanookie.

Though i say i am 'suffering' from it, i must say that the suffering is much less than the 'suffering' usually accompanying my relationships :D

I just finally decided getting laid wasn't worth the bullshit.

I'm not sure if this is allowed, but it applies to your case indeed. clik this, you klnow you want to. (http://www.hamncheez.com/media/flash/everyone_has_had_more_sex_than_me.swf)

I know it applies to me! (is the one playing the keyboard)

Surely there should be "Asexual" and "Not sure" options as well, can't leave anyone out can we :D .

Oh for goodness sake heheheh .................... :)

Hi!
Um. . .I'm confused, but that's probably because I'm 13 and too young for stuff like that. . .I don't even know how I got here. . . :confused: . Anyways, I wish everyone a nice day/night, and I'm sorry to have interupted!
~Frances :)

Hi!
Um. . .I'm confused, but that's probably because I'm 13 and too young for stuff like that. . .I don't even know how I got here. . . :confused: . Anyways, I wish everyone a nice day/night, and I'm sorry to have interupted!
~Frances :)

Call yourself straight, it's easier when you're that young, I should know, it wasn't too long ago that I was your age.

But lately i have (voluntarily) been suffering from that hawaiian disease, lackanookie.
Is that at all similar to the sexual orientation of "bi-desperate"? :D

:confused: Where is the bestiality option for me? :confused:
This is discrimination.

:confused: Where is the bestiality option for me? :confused:
This is discrimination.

No comment. Will respect others preferences.

No comment. Will respect others preferences.

OMFG You actually don't object to bestiality!!!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?

You disgust me.

:confused: I bi fem but, I'm afriad to tell my parents and don't want my bro to know cause he's a biggot...I'm only 14 and a little scared to openly admit stuff like this...but its easier to tell strangers then my own family and friends.

I'm not sure if this is allowed, but it applies to your case indeed. clik this, you klnow you want to. (http://www.hamncheez.com/media/flash/everyone_has_had_more_sex_than_me.swf)

I know it applies to me! (is the one playing the keyboard)

That brightened up my day no end. Thanks :D

Well, it never occurred to me to be anything but straight until my best friend started talking about it, and it sounded interesting so I "tried to be" bi for awhile, then I gave that up and concluded I was just straight, but I've been having spontaneous future-imaginings of myself with women, so I'm really no longer sure.

Straight for now, open to whatever, lots of gay/bi friends.

Well, it never occurred to me to be anything but straight until my best friend started talking about it, and it sounded interesting so I "tried to be" bi for awhile, then I gave that up and concluded I was just straight, but I've been having spontaneous future-imaginings of myself with women, so I'm really no longer sure.

Straight for now, open to whatever, lots of gay/bi friends.
You might want to try a FMF threesome. You get the best of all possible worlds ... male assertiveness and female softness. :)

Male, bisexual. Just kinda turned out that way. not sure how.

You might want to try a FMF threesome. You get the best of all possible worlds ... male assertiveness and female softness. :)

I'm also a 15 year old virgin.

I'm also a 15 year old virgin.
Oh. Strike the above then. Sorry about that ... didn't know you were in that age zone/condition. Heh!

i dont know really. im female myself and have only had BF so far. (im 16, still virgin) have kissed a girl though, just 'experimenting'. but overall i like a female body better than a male body. haha, said that once to my friends and they all freaked out. :( . i wouldnt dare tell my mum cos she will put me in some sort of mental institution.

straight female :)

Is bi-curious even a distinct sexuality?

Is bi-curious even a distinct sexuality?

It sounds more like distinct confusion

You should really make an 'other' option because none of those apply to me.

I'm trying to make up a word to best describe my sexuality, but for now im sticking with 'pomosexual' (postmodern)
Basically claiming to be pomosexual, in a way, means you are really no specific sexuality; though under the right conditions you may be any sexuality...
(a few examples: a girl may be a gay man at times, she may be a lesbian with a male lover, same can be said for a pomosexual male.)

The possibilities are rather infinite and all depend on the situation (which is why the term is based on postmodernism...)

I haven't done the straight male thing in at least 15 years, I've been (almost) exclusively gay since then. But I had a dream about an asian girl the other night, so I am beginning to suspect the pendulum is swinging back for me again. Plus, my flaming bisexual boyfriend is trying to convince me that we need to find ourselves a woman and "Eiffel Tower" her. (???)

Why would you feel the need to apologize for being who and what you are? Strange. :confused:
See the smiley? It was a....joke! ;)

Bi female, but monogomous with one guy right now... does that make me hetero? I'm so confused! You guys have ruined me!! Women are beautiful and have breasts but men have wee willie winkies... I just can't choose. :headbang:

Straight Male.

My best friend is a bi-sexual Female though.

I'm not sure if this is allowed, but it applies to your case indeed. clik this, you klnow you want to. (http://www.hamncheez.com/media/flash/everyone_has_had_more_sex_than_me.swf)

I know it applies to me! (is the one playing the keyboard)

No, actually it doesnt apply to me at all.

I had more sex by the time i was 30 than some people have their entire lives.
Been there, done that, sex for sex's sake just doesnt interest me any more.

THat's why i said VOLUNTARILY suffering from lackanookie. There's a few waiting in line in case i change my mind. I'm just so over it.

I am definetly a straight female.

...most people didnt answer the question presented to them. Im straight male(no doubts wat so ever) catholic, and republican. I dont have many bi/gay friends but im in no way a homophobe. So i guess wat 77seven77 was trying to prove is correct in a way.

Definitely bisexual male... :)

Ew... straight catholic republican?

That's analogue of "human with mean parents in denial of reality," isn't it?

Gay Male

And Homophobia makes me ill.

You could call me a Homophobiaphobic.

Homophobia makes me want "to punch babies".

DANE COOK! SuFi!!!

Hahaha.. :rolleyes: ..I'm done.

Definitely bisexual male... :)

Ew... straight catholic republican?

That's analogue of "human with mean parents in denial of reality," isn't it?
Sheesh and people accuse catholic republicans of being close minded.... and to answer your question no.

Straight male.
**OFF TOPIC**
Can I say, "Y HALO THAR!"? Without punishment? And can I make "XD" faces?

The only reason for gay AND staright people is that everyone wants a bit of Rotovia! *bends over chair and pats ass*

Sheesh and people accuse catholic republicans of being close minded.... and to answer your question no.

I didn't mean to sound closed-minded, but I've already seriously looked into protestant republicans' debates and found their points of views unlikable. I have spent about 10 hours total debating with them, and nothing ever came out of it, sadly enough :(.

But I was mainly kidding :P.

I didn't mean to sound closed-minded, but I've already seriously looked into protestant republicans' debates and found their points of views unlikable. I have spent about 10 hours total debating with them, and nothing ever came out of it, sadly enough :(.
yah... prodestants :sniper: (lol jk jk)... well dont worry you dont sound close minded... a lot of christian republicans do have very firm beliefs many dont agree with and they are rock solid standing behind their ways

Bisexual Male, but I'm only fourteen, and to be honest I've never done anything with a dude... but I know I'm attracted to them, at least sexually, the same way you can know you're straight before you've actually done anything with the opposite gender

And actually im leaning closer and closer to glam every day. and i mean real, queer glam, not the fake stuff, but the real, david bowie-style glam.


Politically, I'm extremely liberal... except when it comes to law and order and war, I'm rather conservative there (I'm for the death penalty, I think the war in Afghanistan (though not Iraq) is justified, etc.). Though I am extremely closed-minded in my liberality (is that a word?)... I can't stand homophobes, for example.

And I'm EXTREMELY closed-minded when it comes to music, but... that's a discussion for a different topic.

Oh, so too answer it all.

Straight, Catholic, Italian, Male.

and my best friend is

Bi-Sexual, Christian "beliefs" but obviously not following, American, Female.

Oh, so too answer it all.

Straight, Catholic, Italian, Male.

and my best friend is

Bi-Sexual, Christian "beliefs" but obviously not following, American, Female.
Sounds like a very interesting "best friend" you have there. :D

Sounds like a very interesting "best friend" you have there. :D

An even better ex-girlfriend. Although she still loves me rofl...

110% ...

That expression (I think it started with a deodorant commercial) has always bugged me. It's impossible to be more than 100% ANYTHING!!

Asexual. And I'm personally offended that that option isn't there.

Not really. You people with your sex and whatnot. When will you ever learn? :P

Asexual.

That just means you are a wanker, dosen't it :p

Asexual. And I'm personally offended that that option isn't there.

Not really. You people with your sex and whatnot. When will you ever learn? :P

I guess not everyone can get love..... :(

Mostly straight.

There is this one guy that I would consider dating if he weren't such a very fictional character, but that's pretty much it.

So... not entirely straight, but certainly not bi-curious either.

judging from the poll...it's a sausage fest in here! hehe

I don't mind :O

Mostly straight.

There is this one guy that I would consider dating if he weren't such a very fictional character, but that's pretty much it.

So... not entirely straight, but certainly not bi-curious either.

Who is this fictional character?
judging from the poll...it's a sausage fest in here! hehe

I don't mind :O

I was thinking the same thing Sanchez...unfortunately, it's mainly a hetero-sausage fest...

Who is this fictional character?

Kent. Greatest knight (well, cavalier) in all of Caelin.

Sausage Fest :eek: ... That's so classy.

Brings joy to any typical Italian Gentleman's heart.

Gay d00d.

Zero attraction sexually to females. Not so much as a dirty thought my entire life. But, almost all my friends are female. But that's more out of necessity than desire. It's dangerous having alot of straight friends...possible to develope crushes that will only = heartbreak. I'm not very overtly gay. I have a few gay qualities but I pass for straight in everyday life.

First time posting in the forums though, but I've been messing with a NS country a bit.

judging from the poll...it's a sausage fest in here! hehe

I don't mind :O
It's not a question of when, but how many! :D

That just means you are a wanker, dosen't it :p

No, it doesn't mean I'm a wanker. I've never masturbated in my entire life.

i'm a hetrosexual male

i'm this because all my friends are female (if I can't be your friend I can't fancy you)

also there is the whole comedy genitals thing (a long running thing with me and my friends (just male genitals in general not specific ones))

to tell you the truth the only men I really notice are children (because their children and so in my view are more or less sexless) and my teachers (as its hard to pass if you blank your professors) all the rest are just noisy moving scenary to me

Seems most NSers are guys. I'm not surprised.

Hetero female, but if I met the right woman I'd get a sex change.

Transgender.

Now, I like to have sex with dead bodies. Does that **** as bisexual? because I wouldn't touch anything breathing. I think this poll needs to be expanded. I know a fella who can't even get it up without the gelatinus sting of a jelly fish. Where is his category? He is crying in the corner right now, because of his inability to take part in this poll.


For Shame

Hetero Male. Pretty boring huh?

I've no problem with the gay lifestyle, (I work in theater, so I'd have huge problems if I did ;) ) but I must say that furries really creep me out.

Its just that somepeople may not wantto discuss sexuality for many reasons ... I hate to make people uncomftable ... well unless they like it!!! :p

I like being uncomfortable. It's umm... kinda exciting. *giggles*

Does "international man of mystery" count as a sexuality? :p

I consider myself 'Mostly Lesbian.' I've had feelings for men before, but would not consider being intimate with them. Which, I guess, is quite the opposite from the normal 'would be intimate with them but not have any feelings.' But I'm odd like that.

I've been reading these forums for a while. I'm only sixteen, but very politically active. So, please don't shoot me solely because it's my first post. 'Kthanksbye...

Where the hell is the straight option?!

Where the hell is the straight option?!
Um, hetro male/hetro female? The first two options?

Somebody set us up the bomb?

Um, hetro male/hetro female? The first two options?

Somebody set us up the bomb?
Hehehe!

Yep! (http://www.planettribes.com/allyourbase/AYB2.swf)

I'm at nationstates because it's such a good place to pick up...

Hetero male here. I have no problems whatsoever with gays, though, and know a few gay/bi people.

I seem to remember hearing somewhere of a study done that showed that Male and Female sexuality tend to differ in that the vast majority of males are either 100% hetero or 100% homosexual, whereas the vast majority of females are somewhere in between, with very few being at either end. What do you people think about that?

I like being uncomfortable. It's umm... kinda exciting. *giggles*

Oooooohhhhhhhh yeah ;) hehe :)

Notice how the people who have answered this are all of the not so boring, exciting people..

Hetero male here. I have no problems whatsoever with gays, though, and know a few gay/bi people.

I seem to remember hearing somewhere of a study done that showed that Male and Female sexuality tend to differ in that the vast majority of males are either 100% hetero or 100% homosexual, whereas the vast majority of females are somewhere in between, with very few being at either end. What do you people think about that?

Not necesarily my view but I think the very nature of the gay male sex accepted less. I've had a number of conversations with straight men who usually seem to be disgusted at Gay male sex (I usually respond by saying that a number of gay people find the hetro act of sex pretty nasty!) they are not homophobic but that's just the way think. I think the very nature of women brings about more experimentation, I think women are more appriciating of a woman and in general womens friendships are very psycological and deep - but it's crossing that wall to being more physical.

Ican totally understand how more women are Bi or lesbian, and most males are either 100% Hetro or Homo - it just figures psycologically anf sexually.

Personally I really don't like to classmyself as anything, I'm just me and who knows what tommorow will bring :)

I'm at nationstates because it's such a good place to pick up...
Yesssssss??? :D

Yesssssss??? :D

No, :eek:.

What about all of us Political freaks....

Bi Curious male... I think.

Then again I am happly engaged and there is no question of being unfaithfull (I'm a good lil boy) so I suppose it shall always be curiousity anyway.

:sniper: Representing the Homosexual Community in New Orleans! *waves* Myess.... :mp5:

??? An invasion of your privacy thread :p

Sorry to invade your privacy all, I am intrested to find out the sexuality make up of the NS forum. I am also intrested to find out wether if you are gay or straight and that leads to your political ideals. In addition I want to find out what brings you 2 NS especially if you arw gay.

I am Lez Fem myself .....

Male,Straight. No, has nothing to do with my political views.

And Im on NS because someone at work loaded it up, asked what it was, he explained and I figured it looked interesting enough...

Course the debates so far are far more exciting then the nation leading side of it. Folks here sure love to argue. Every day a new special Olympics

:sniper: Representing the Homosexual Community in New Orleans! *waves* Myess.... :mp5:

Why are you shooting people, that's painful....

He's got a point. I am heterosexualy. But I nkow a few bi/lesbian woman. And one or two gay/maybe bi guys. And I see nothing wrong with thier choice.

OMFG You actually don't object to bestiality!!!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?

You disgust me.
I object, I just wasn't going too, if you were really into that, what would be the point? Nothing I say would change your mind, and I'd just look bigotted, as it stands I'm being honest, I respect most every "preference" except Pedo\necrophilia, which are illegal, and rather nasty, whereas bestiality is just nasty in most places.

Why are you shooting people, that's painful....

Who says he's shooting PEOPLE? He could be hunting, though hunting with an MP5 would suck reoyally, it'd take all of the skill and enjoyment out of it for me... :(

To quote some song I heard on the radio

"I'm a hetero, sexual
hetero sexual male"

To quote some song I heard on the radio

"I'm a hetero, sexual
hetero sexual male"

Good for you, we need those to carry on the population. :D

Although us Bi-guys do the job well enough. :fluffle:

Sexuality is relative. Under certain circumstances hetro females will hook up with other females. Women tend to be much more liberal and accepting of the fluidity of sexuality. Men on the other tend to be much more rigid not because they are completely straight but because it is social stigma. For a man to come to terms with his natural sexuality it usually involves alcohol to grease the wheels. I've had way too many of my "straight" friends come onto me after a few too many drinks.

I myself am bisexual in sex, though straight when it comes to feelings/love. My political views are moderate/centrist. The extremes on both sides are normally wrong, I tend to lean a bit more conservative economically, fiscal responsibility and all that, and socially progressive, everyone should be treated equally and what someone does in private should remain just that private.

totally agree with your post...same here :)

Damnit, this thread made me try to remember what hetrozygous ment. Whatever. Straight male.

Why are you shooting people, that's painful....
He has .... issues. :)

He has .... issues.
ROFLMAO

I object, I just wasn't going too, if you were really into that, what would be the point? Nothing I say would change your mind, and I'd just look bigotted, as it stands I'm being honest, I respect most every "preference" except Pedo\necrophilia, which are illegal, and rather nasty, whereas bestiality is just nasty in most places.

Bestiality is actually illegal in most places.

Seven:

In addition I want to find out what brings you 2 NS especially if you arw gay.

Um it is fun? I don't see what difference that it makes... I'm center-right on the political scales.

100% straight female.I'm comfortable being around homosexuals bisexuals.Don't see what the big deal is.

Closeted Fruit ;)

Hetero Male that is all for gay rights.

I can't stand people that have it in their heads that you have to be gay to support gay rights.

In addition I want to find out what brings you 2 NS especially if you arw gay.

Because only straight people like politics !!!! :confused:


I love gay people. Granted there are some rights I'm a little reserved about because my religion, I love gay guys, I think they're cool. I grew up getting sized for Suits around Gay designers and what not, and I think majority of them have great personalities.

I will always be reserved about some things, because of my religion, and butch women scare me a little bit, but otherwise I see no point in keeping gay people from living their lives.

Hetero Male that is all for gay rights.

I can't stand people that have it in their heads that you have to be gay to support gay rights.

Very true. Hetero Male to, was bi-curious for awhile, but I changed my mind......majorly.

I'm kinda bisexual, and depending on how you want to look at it, I'm either gay or straight. I tend to consider myself gay. I prefer women by and large, though the right guy (Liam Neeson, Jonny Depp) certainly does it for me.... I am also forgetting a whole load of attractive guys who do it for me :D

Some things are better left to straights, others to gays. Gay men have their places in Society-suit shops, for one. I have not met many men in suit shops who I could tell were straight who had an ounce of fashion sense. Most of the "gay" men that helped me find a suit had very good tastes, although I was uncomfortable about it. The suit was worth it.

Other place for gay men? Movie screens, because those funny hand motions and accents make us straight people laugh.

Another place? EOD teams.

Some things are better left to straights, others to gays. Gay men have their places in Society-suit shops, for one. I have not met many men in suit shops who I could tell were straight who had an ounce of fashion sense. Most of the "gay" men that helped me find a suit had very good tastes.

Other place for gay men? Movie screens, because those funny hand motions and accents make us straight people laugh.

Another place? EOD teams.

Oh please. That's just ridiculous. I'm good at plenty of things and I should not be kept out because you think it is better left to straights.

Oh please. That's just ridiculous. I'm good at plenty of things and I should not be kept out because you think it is better left to straights.

Okay, wash my car.

Okay, wash my car.

No problem. I washed my friend's BMW 3 325i 2006 with him the other day.

I am a bisexual male.

Lets not mention Gay designers and Suits.

They always do my inseam... over & over. It's a good thing, it's a good suit :p.

No problem. I washed my friend's BMW 3 325i 2006 with him the other day.

Alrighty, we've found place number 3.

Add on as you see fit....

Mmmm nice. I'm not a fan of the new BMWs but I'll say they are nice. I'm more of an old-school Mercedes Benz man myself.

I gotta go get my car washed. Took it mudding and I haven't cleaned it out yet....

No problem. I washed my friend's BMW 3 325i 2006 with him the other day.

Haha, somehow I don't think that's the answer he was going for.

Alrighty, we've found place number 3.

Add on as you see fit....

classrooms.

Lesbian female.. and yeah, it does affect some of my decisions for my nation. I just think things should be equal, ya know?

classrooms.

Well I would feel uncomfortable with a gay man teaching my son. I have a hard enough time with the female socialist teachers. Maybe if the gay man had his head screwed on straight and taught things as they happened-I could live with that. Heck, to think of it, I don't really care how the teacher lives as long as they're PRO-USA and teach real history and not any of the socialist crap that some schools teach.

Well I would feel uncomfortable with a gay man teaching my son. I have a hard enough time with the female socialist teachers. Maybe if the gay man had his head screwed on straight and taught things as they happened-I could live with that. Heck, to think of it, I don't really care how the teacher lives as long as they're PRO-USA and teach real history and not any of the socialist crap that some schools teach.

what do you mean as it really happened? I've never had any teacher that wasn't PRO-USA. I am honestly curious what you mean.

Hetero Male, and loving it. I don't know how girls stand to make out with me, knowing how I eat.

Well I would feel uncomfortable with a gay man teaching my son. I have a hard enough time with the female socialist teachers. Maybe if the gay man had his head screwed on straight and taught things as they happened-I could live with that. Heck, to think of it, I don't really care how the teacher lives as long as they're PRO-USA and teach real history and not any of the socialist crap that some schools teach.

Oh that's a good one.. I'm just as intelligent as any straight guy out there. and i'm not socialist. Not at all. What would be so wrong with me teaching your son? I'd teach without letting my personal opinions from getting involved.

Some things are better left to straights, others to gays. Gay men have their places in Society-suit shops, for one. I have not met many men in suit shops who I could tell were straight who had an ounce of fashion sense. Most of the "gay" men that helped me find a suit had very good tastes, although I was uncomfortable about it. The suit was worth it.

Other place for gay men? Movie screens, because those funny hand motions and accents make us straight people laugh.

Another place? EOD teams.


Just because some of us like suits not all of us do.....im a car designer.
and you wouldnt expect a gay man to be doing that would u but that just shows how stereotypical your thoughts are ......eh ;)

Oh that's a good one.. I'm just as intelligent as any straight guy out there. and i'm not socialist. Not at all. What would be so wrong with me teaching your son? I'd teach without letting my personal opinions from getting involved.

my big things about school:

A) It teaches and holds students accountable at test time for what they learn
b) teachers stop trying to tell students what to think and teach them how to think for themselves.
c) get rid of this showing kids how to use condoms crap and teaching them sex ed. Abstinence is far better, which can explain why Muslims and Christians have lower AIDs rates.
d) Stop re-writing history. Stop making murderous despots such as Stalin look nice. He wasn't. The 2nd Amendment refers to the people, not the state. I recall that nothing else in the BOR refers to states, so why just that one? Probing into the sanctity of the home.
E) "Mother earth" and all that enviromental garbage. The earth will continue to exist whether we like it or not, and nothing short of a million Minutemen IX missiles can destroy this planet.
F) The founding fathers are the smartest men in modern history, period, save for Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Who could have come up with a document that satisfied atheists, Agnostics, Baptists, lutherans, and presbyterians?
G)Stop teaching my boys to be girls. Boys like to be rough. I'll give them GIJOEs and let them play with those-I did when I was a child and I've grown up pretty well. Boys and girls are equal, but different.
H) Stop teaching my children that heather has two mommies and it's OK. It's not in my book, so don't teach it to my children.


I'm pretty sure there is more, but I can't write all of them.

A) It teaches and holds students accountable at test time for what they learn
b) teachers stop trying to tell students what to think and teach them how to think for themselves.
c) get rid of this showing kids how to use condoms crap and teaching them sex ed. Abstinence is far better, which can explain why Muslims and Christians have lower AIDs rates.

Um condoms are actually totally effective.

And I would not let my personal opinions get in the way. I would only take facts from objective sources.


d) Stop re-writing history. Stop making murderous despots such as Stalin look nice. He wasn't. The 2nd Amendment refers to the people, not the state. I recall that nothing else in the BOR refers to states, so why just that one? Probing into the sanctity of the home.

Schools make Stalin look nice? Since when? I had an issue when West Hollywood erected a statue for Soviet soldiers...

F) The founding fathers are the smartest men in modern history, period, save for Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Who could have come up with a document that satisfied atheists, Agnostics, Baptists, lutherans, and presbyterians?

I don't want religion in schools. Keep that for religious schools.

G)Stop teaching my boys to be girls. Boys like to be rough. I'll give them GIJOEs and let them play with those-I did when I was a child and I've grown up pretty well. Boys and girls are equal, but different.

Stereotypes are often not correct.

H) Stop teaching my children that heather has two mommies and it's OK. It's not in my book, so don't teach it to my children.

Whatever.

Just because some of us like suits not all of us do.....im a car designer.
and you wouldnt expect a gay man to be doing that would u but that just shows how stereotypical your thoughts are ......eh ;)

Well heck, see if you can get one of the Big three (GM, dodge and ford) to design a WELL BUILT, DIESEL, 4 door 5000lb family sedan. I love the 79-88 Mercedes Benz diesel lineup for this reason-safe as all getout (I was rearended a year ago by an S10 at 40mph while I was stopped, it bent the trunk lid and the rear 1/4 panels slightly but I drove away and the S10 had to call for a tow truck!), GREAT gas mileage (30mpg in the city), large range (45 gallon fuel tank)m say 1400 miles on a tank of diesel, and make it look nice.

Do that I and will name my firstborn Hortania after you.

Um condoms are actually totally effective.
Which is why they can slip off, break, tear/rip, and fail to work. 4 out of every 5 works as advertised, 1 does not. There are plenty of stories of unplanned pregnancies and AIDs cases that happen.

And I would not let my personal opinions get in the way. I would only take facts from objective sources.

Just don't joint the NEA, anyone who suspends a picture of Christ in a bottle of urine and calls it art is not a good place to be.


Schools make Stalin look nice? Since when? I had an issue when West Hollywood erected a statue for Soviet soldiers...

Yup. They never mentioned the Pogroms he initiated and yet had to call in to question the effectiveness of the A-bombing of Nagasaki and heroshima, both of which saved millions of lives-American and Japanese.


I don't want religion in schools. Keep that for religious schools.

Any religion. Atheism included, which means take evolution out.


Stereotypes are often not correct.

Correct.


Whatever.

Yep.

Yup. They never mentioned the Pogroms he initiated and yet had to call in to question the effectiveness of the A-bombing of Nagasaki and heroshima, both of which saved millions of lives-American and Japanese.


Programs.

And for another thing... they do mention that (at least when I was in public high school). They did it again in university (can you believe that.. in such a commie university like Cal State northridge). :rolleyes:

Any religion. Atheism included, which means take evolution out.

Evolution is scientifically backed up. It stays.

Programs.

And for another thing... they do mention that (at least when I was in public high school). They did it again in university (can you believe that.. in such a commie university like Cal State northridge). :rolleyes:



Evolution is scientifically backed up. It stays.

Science requires direct observations. Noone was around when evolution occured, and how can you be 100% certain that that was the way it happened? And Evolution is THE center of the humanistic philosophy, with atheism at it's center.

Well heck, see if you can get one of the Big three (GM, dodge and ford) to design a WELL BUILT, DIESEL, 4 door 5000lb family sedan. I love the 79-88 Mercedes Benz diesel lineup for this reason-safe as all getout (I was rearended a year ago by an S10 at 40mph while I was stopped, it bent the trunk lid and the rear 1/4 panels slightly but I drove away and the S10 had to call for a tow truck!), GREAT gas mileage (30mpg in the city), large range (45 gallon fuel tank)m say 1400 miles on a tank of diesel, and make it look nice.

Do that I and will name my firstborn Hortania after you.

im on the new tech program and am designing spherical wheels so that for parking you can just go sideways and the wheels can move 360degrees so you can go in all directions, possible a car will come out with them in 2008 or 2010 but the company wants me to keep secret who i work for because of a big unveil.

Science requires direct observations. Noone was around when evolution occured, and how can you be 100% certain that that was the way it happened? And Evolution is THE center of the humanistic philosophy, with atheism at it's center.

www.talkorigins.org - They have other kinds of evidence for evolution. Please read the site. Evolution is not the center of humanistic philosophy or atheism. It is a scientifically proven theory.

my big things about school:

A) It teaches and holds students accountable at test time for what they learn
b) teachers stop trying to tell students what to think and teach them how to think for themselves.
c) get rid of this showing kids how to use condoms crap and teaching them sex ed. Abstinence is far better, which can explain why Muslims and Christians have lower AIDs rates.
d) Stop re-writing history. Stop making murderous despots such as Stalin look nice. He wasn't. The 2nd Amendment refers to the people, not the state. I recall that nothing else in the BOR refers to states, so why just that one? Probing into the sanctity of the home.
E) "Mother earth" and all that enviromental garbage. The earth will continue to exist whether we like it or not, and nothing short of a million Minutemen IX missiles can destroy this planet.
F) The founding fathers are the smartest men in modern history, period, save for Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Who could have come up with a document that satisfied atheists, Agnostics, Baptists, lutherans, and presbyterians?
G)Stop teaching my boys to be girls. Boys like to be rough. I'll give them GIJOEs and let them play with those-I did when I was a child and I've grown up pretty well. Boys and girls are equal, but different.
H) Stop teaching my children that heather has two mommies and it's OK. It's not in my book, so don't teach it to my children.


I'm pretty sure there is more, but I can't write all of them.


A) It teaches and holds students accountable at test time for what they learn

this is bad? true teaching kids only how to take tests is stupid, but I don't see how tests are bad.

b) teachers stop trying to tell students what to think and teach them how to think for themselves.

So you want kids to have no ability to think for themselves? If they don't think for themselves we have propagana city, and that view is what made the Inquisition possible.

c) get rid of this showing kids how to use condoms crap and teaching them sex ed. Abstinence is far better, which can explain why Muslims and Christians have lower AIDs rates.

What? Show me where you got that idea first off. Secondly kids are going to still have sex, even Christian kids, that's why there's the class so that they DON'T get things like STDs.

d) Stop re-writing history. Stop making murderous despots such as Stalin look nice. He wasn't. The 2nd Amendment refers to the people, not the state. I recall that nothing else in the BOR refers to states, so why just that one? Probing into the sanctity of the home.

Where did you go to school that taught you that Stalin was a cheery chum that was a nice guy to cruise around town with? If you're referring to the fact that hitler was an artist and loved children, and in turn all children who met him adored him (with of course the kids on the bad list) then, that's not rewriting history, it's giving a full picture. Serial killers are nice people quite often.

E) "Mother earth" and all that enviromental garbage. The earth will continue to exist whether we like it or not, and nothing short of a million Minutemen IX missiles can destroy this planet.

No, the Earth will go on, I have been taught this, we won't. We can mess it up enough to ruin our lives before SHE fixes herself (mother earth is just associating human characteristics with something, like calling your car a she)

F) The founding fathers are the smartest men in modern history, period, save for Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Who could have come up with a document that satisfied atheists, Agnostics, Baptists, lutherans, and presbyterians?

what does that have to do with school? (and if jesus was the son of god, his intelligence would be divine, not man, just pointing that out. Also the apostles weren't all that bright at times, not understanding many things he said and did.)

G)Stop teaching my boys to be girls. Boys like to be rough. I'll give them GIJOEs and let them play with those-I did when I was a child and I've grown up pretty well. Boys and girls are equal, but different.

I've never seen or heard this. I grew up with GI Joes as well, I'm gay. As for roughness, yes boys can be roudy, they shouldn't beat the crap out of other classmates, regardless of how it was "back in the day"

H) Stop teaching my children that heather has two mommies and it's OK. It's not in my book, so don't teach it to my children.

it is okay, you don't like it, tell your kid it's a lie, I'm sure you already do that at least. Spread hate while they're young I always say. Can't have tolerance and/or understanding in our generation, or any for that matter.

By the way, as a gay teacher, the only thing that is influenced by my sexuality is I don't say gays are bad, I don't say they're good either, that's not my place. Anything else?

im on the new tech program and am designing spherical wheels so that for parking you can just go sideways and the wheels can move 360degrees so you can go in all directions, possible a car will come out with them in 2008 or 2010 but the company wants me to keep secret who i work for because of a big unveil.]

How much weight can they bear? What kind of materials are they made of? AL? Steel? TI? Carbon fiber?

www.talkorigins.org - They have other kinds of evidence for evolution. Please read the site. Evolution is not the center of humanistic philosophy or atheism. It is a scientifically proven theory.

And I suggest checking out the Creation museum In Oklahoma. (I think that's where it is). Very cool place.

And I suggest checking out the Creation museum In Oklahoma. (I think that's where it is). Very cool place.

Hahahahah... you have got to be kidding me.. we cannot teach those fairy tales in school.

Hahahahah... you have got to be kidding me.. we cannot teach those fairy tails in school.



But we teach abiogenesis, so apparently we are teaching fairytales :p

But we teach abiogenesis, so apparently we are teaching fairytales :p

You are teaching falsehoods.

You are teaching falsehoods.



You're teaching that which has been scientifically disproven ;)

You're teaching that which has been scientifically disproven ;)

No. Evolution is scientifically proven. Creationism (Intelligent design) has been scientifically disproven.

No. Evolution is scientifically proven. Creationism (Intelligent design) has been scientifically disproven.



I wasn't referring to evolution, I was referring to abiogenesis (life from non-life). Also, ID has not been disproven nor can it be since it would require a Designer to be disproven which just cannot be done :D Sheesh, and I thought I held the record for making assertive statements without providing evidence :rolleyes:

A) It teaches and holds students accountable at test time for what they learn

this is bad? true teaching kids only how to take tests is stupid, but I don't see how tests are bad.

I'm not saying tests are bad, but quite a few teachers/superintendents think they are. They dumb them down because, well, some students can't cut it.

b) teachers stop trying to tell students what to think and teach them how to think for themselves.

So you want kids to have no ability to think for themselves? If they don't think for themselves we have propagana city, and that view is what made the Inquisition possible.

I am saying Kids should be taught to THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

c) get rid of this showing kids how to use condoms crap and teaching them sex ed. Abstinence is far better, which can explain why Muslims and Christians have lower AIDs rates.

What? Show me where you got that idea first off. Secondly kids are going to still have sex, even Christian kids, that's why there's the class so that they DON'T get things like STDs.

Funny, we never had this problem 'back in the day'. The baby boomer generation didn't have that problem. Why? Their parents taught them RIGHT AND WRONG. Wrong? Banging a girl and getting her pregnant before you're married-puts you both in a bad spot for sure.

d) Stop re-writing history. Stop making murderous despots such as Stalin look nice. He wasn't. The 2nd Amendment refers to the people, not the state. I recall that nothing else in the BOR refers to states, so why just that one? Probing into the sanctity of the home.

Where did you go to school that taught you that Stalin was a cheery chum that was a nice guy to cruise around town with? If you're referring to the fact that hitler was an artist and loved children, and in turn all children who met him adored him (with of course the kids on the bad list) then, that's not rewriting history, it's giving a full picture. Serial killers are nice people quite often.

My sister's teacher sure thought he was quite the guy. I think Hitler was a GREAT speaker and KNEW PRETTY DARN WELL how to emphasize facial muscles to throw great effect into his speeches. He was very, very good at it, which is why all of Germany followed him.

E) "Mother earth" and all that enviromental garbage. The earth will continue to exist whether we like it or not, and nothing short of a million Minutemen IX missiles can destroy this planet.

No, the Earth will go on, I have been taught this, we won't. We can mess it up enough to ruin our lives before SHE fixes herself (mother earth is just associating human characteristics with something, like calling your car a she)

"Mother earth" is used by the Enviromentalist whackos to try and give some "soul" to the earth. They just can't face the facts, that the earth is a giant rock in space that God in his infinite wisdom specially made for his chosen creation, mankind, to live on until the time of his choosing. This earth will last until God decides otherwise, and not a moment too soon.

F) The founding fathers are the smartest men in modern history, period, save for Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Who could have come up with a document that satisfied atheists, Agnostics, Baptists, lutherans, and presbyterians?

what does that have to do with school? (and if jesus was the son of god, his intelligence would be divine, not man, just pointing that out. Also the apostles weren't all that bright at times, not understanding many things he said and did.)


Because they are maligned as nothing more than "A bunch of dead white guys". Hardly, they're American Heroes.

G)Stop teaching my boys to be girls. Boys like to be rough. I'll give them GIJOEs and let them play with those-I did when I was a child and I've grown up pretty well. Boys and girls are equal, but different.

I've never seen or heard this. I grew up with GI Joes as well, I'm gay. As for roughness, yes boys can be roudy, they shouldn't beat the crap out of other classmates, regardless of how it was "back in the day"

Anyone who beats up other classmates without reason is a bully. I had to deal with bullys myself in grade school, it sucked. I once broke a kid's nose because he stole one of my little sister's beanie babies that she had brought to school for show and tell. 3 days of ISS was my "reward", however once I got home I learned my father was very happy with me.

H) Stop teaching my children that heather has two mommies and it's OK. It's not in my book, so don't teach it to my children.

it is okay, you don't like it, tell your kid it's a lie, I'm sure you already do that at least. Spread hate while they're young I always say. Can't have tolerance and/or understanding in our generation, or any for that matter.

By the way, as a gay teacher, the only thing that is influenced by my sexuality is I don't say gays are bad, I don't say they're good either, that's not my place. Anything else?

My book tells me it's wrong, and I'll continue to tell my children it is. I don't want them to grow up that way. I'll teach my children about sex when I think they're ready, not trust a broken school system to do it.

genderqueer.

Hahahahah... you have got to be kidding me.. we cannot teach those fairy tales in school.

I consider them the truth. It's impossible to create life from non-life, even if you have all the time in the world, so to speak.

I wasn't referring to evolution, I was referring to abiogenesis (life from non-life). Also, ID has not been disproven nor can it be since it would require a Designer to be disproven which just cannot be done :D Sheesh, and I thought I held the record for making assertive statements without providing evidence :rolleyes:

ID is a hoax.

http://www.textbookleague.org/id-hx-1.htm

Editor's Introduction -- Among the various frauds that creationists have used in their attacks on science education, the newest is a body of woo-woo known as "intelligent design." The creationists depict "intelligent design" as a scientific construct and as an alternative to the theory of organic evolution, though it is neither. They insist that it must be included in biology curricula and biology textbooks, though its essential assertions revolve around supernaturalism, not biology. Sometimes they even call it "intelligent design theory" or "the theory of intelligent design" to imply that it is intellectually comparable to the theory of organic evolution, though it isn't comparable at all. Nor is it a theory. It is a hoax.
"Intelligent design" is a derivative of "creation-science," the religious pseudoscience by which creationists, during the 1970s and the early 1980s, purported to show that the concept of organic evolution was false and that there was no genealogical connection between man and any other species. After "creation-science" was thoroughly discredited by scientists and was barred from public schools by federal judges, the creationists modified it, disguised it by wrapping it in some new pseudoscientific double-talk, and presented it under the name "intelligent design." Since then, "intelligent design" has figured prominently in many of the creationists' campaigns to undermine science education -- indeed, it has become the creationists' favorite device for deceiving state education agencies, for tricking local school boards, for gulling classroom teachers, and for inducing schoolbook-publishers to pervert and falsify the treatment of organic evolution in biology books.

State boards of education, officers of local school districts, science educators, and the public at large need information about the origin and features of the "intelligent design" hoax, but such information isn't easy to find. It surely can't be found in newspaper or newsmagazine articles about the creationists' campaigns, because such articles fail to provide any substantive information at all: They display the phrase "intelligent design" a few times, in throwaway lines, but they don't tell what it signifies, they don't describe the fantasies that the devotees of "intelligent design" try to peddle, and they don't explain that "intelligent design" has already been discredited by scientists, just as "creation-science" was. Many of the newspaper articles are worse than worthless because they parrot the creationists' rhetoric and mislead the public by falsely referring to "intelligent design" as a "theory."

With these points in mind, we present here a historical and scientific exposition of the "intelligent design" hoax. This material was published originally in The Textbook Letter as a part of William J. Bennetta's review of Taking Religion Seriously Across the Curriculum, a book written by Warren A. Nord and Charles C. Haynes. In their book, Nord and Haynes proposed a scheme for converting America's public schools into agencies for propagating biblical religion -- and as a part of their proposal, they endorsed two books that promoted "intelligent design." In his review, "A Pair of Common Tricksters," Bennetta responded with the detailed commentary that appears below.

ID is a hoax.

http://www.textbookleague.org/id-hx-1.htm



Lookie, I can copy/paste articles too!!


http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/NCBQ3_3HarrisCalvert.pdf

Lookie, I can copy/paste articles too!!


http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/NCBQ3_3HarrisCalvert.pdf

My source refutes intelligent design.

My source refutes intelligent design.



No it doesn't :p (Ok, which one of us is going to be the first to make a decent argument for our case, without stealing credit from another website? Lol :D )

No it doesn't :p (Ok, which one of us is going to be the first to make a decent argument for our case, without stealing credit from another website? Lol :D )

Unlike you, I provided the link for the source. when you do copy and paste jobs often, you didn't provide the link.

First off it does in fact refute intelligent design.. intelligent design being illogical refutes itself practically.

Unlike you, I provided the link for the source. when you do copy and paste jobs often, you didn't provide the link.

First off it does in fact refute intelligent design.. intelligent design being illogical refutes itself practically.


I could say the same for abiogenesis, but without actually doing research and building a case instead of copy/pasting, you would probably take it about as seriously as I am taking you seriously right now, which is to say not at all :p Let's just agree that we're both too lazy to do so, and drop the topic? We're not luminaries in the field of cosmology, we're two young adults on opposite ends of the political spectrum without decades of specialty in the field :)

I could say the same for abiogenesis, but without actually doing research and building a case instead of copy/pasting, you would probably take it about as seriously as I am taking you seriously right now, which is to say not at all :p Let's just agree that we're both too lazy to do so, and drop the topic? We're not luminaries in the field of cosmology, we're two young adults on opposite ends of the political spectrum without decades of specialty in the field :)

You gotta stop telling me what to do and how to do it, when you don't do it yourself. You copy and paste all the time. You don't ever provide any analysis with it. I'm going to cease talking to you, because I was warned about it from moderators. I don't want to get banned.

A) It teaches and holds students accountable at test time for what they learn

this is bad? true teaching kids only how to take tests is stupid, but I don't see how tests are bad.

I'm not saying tests are bad, but quite a few teachers/superintendents think they are. They dumb them down because, well, some students can't cut it.

I agree.. dumbing down tests is not a good idea. We shouldn't lower the standards, but instead raise them.. making students have to excel to reach the test. Of course, that comes with proper instruction and building them up to such an ability.

b) teachers stop trying to tell students what to think and teach them how to think for themselves.

So you want kids to have no ability to think for themselves? If they don't think for themselves we have propagana city, and that view is what made the Inquisition possible.

I am saying Kids should be taught to THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

You two are essentially agreeing here.. and I agree as well, so.. going on.

c) get rid of this showing kids how to use condoms crap and teaching them sex ed. Abstinence is far better, which can explain why Muslims and Christians have lower AIDs rates.

What? Show me where you got that idea first off. Secondly kids are going to still have sex, even Christian kids, that's why there's the class so that they DON'T get things like STDs.

Funny, we never had this problem 'back in the day'. The baby boomer generation didn't have that problem. Why? Their parents taught them RIGHT AND WRONG. Wrong? Banging a girl and getting her pregnant before you're married-puts you both in a bad spot for sure.

And you don't think that maybe that is just a glorifying of the past? Do you really think that less people had premarital sex? It was more of a social stigma then.. so surely it would be less known about. Don't glorify the past.. the news had a different focus then.

d) Stop re-writing history. Stop making murderous despots such as Stalin look nice. He wasn't. The 2nd Amendment refers to the people, not the state. I recall that nothing else in the BOR refers to states, so why just that one? Probing into the sanctity of the home.

Where did you go to school that taught you that Stalin was a cheery chum that was a nice guy to cruise around town with? If you're referring to the fact that hitler was an artist and loved children, and in turn all children who met him adored him (with of course the kids on the bad list) then, that's not rewriting history, it's giving a full picture. Serial killers are nice people quite often.

My sister's teacher sure thought he was quite the guy. I think Hitler was a GREAT speaker and KNEW PRETTY DARN WELL how to emphasize facial muscles to throw great effect into his speeches. He was very, very good at it, which is why all of Germany followed him.

And I agree.. giving a full picture of a person is the best way of going.. that doesn't make it glorifying someone who did terrible things.. it's just saying, other than killing millions of people.. this person did do other things.

E) "Mother earth" and all that enviromental garbage. The earth will continue to exist whether we like it or not, and nothing short of a million Minutemen IX missiles can destroy this planet.

No, the Earth will go on, I have been taught this, we won't. We can mess it up enough to ruin our lives before SHE fixes herself (mother earth is just associating human characteristics with something, like calling your car a she)

"Mother earth" is used by the Enviromentalist whackos to try and give some "soul" to the earth. They just can't face the facts, that the earth is a giant rock in space that God in his infinite wisdom specially made for his chosen creation, mankind, to live on until the time of his choosing. This earth will last until God decides otherwise, and not a moment too soon.

Does that absolve us from the responsibility of being care-takers of the Earth? Does that mean we should trash and destroy a land that is God's and not ours? Is not taking care of the planet in line with the will of God? Read Genesis closely and tell me what you think.

F) The founding fathers are the smartest men in modern history, period, save for Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Who could have come up with a document that satisfied atheists, Agnostics, Baptists, lutherans, and presbyterians?

what does that have to do with school? (and if jesus was the son of god, his intelligence would be divine, not man, just pointing that out. Also the apostles weren't all that bright at times, not understanding many things he said and did.)

Because they are maligned as nothing more than "A bunch of dead white guys". Hardly, they're American Heroes.

You didn't even respond to the second half of his statement, which was rather true. Peter is a perfect example. And concerning the US, just because they are the founding fathers doesn't make them the "most smartest men in history" that just sounds ignorant. What about all the great thinkers throughout history?

G)Stop teaching my boys to be girls. Boys like to be rough. I'll give them GIJOEs and let them play with those-I did when I was a child and I've grown up pretty well. Boys and girls are equal, but different.

I've never seen or heard this. I grew up with GI Joes as well, I'm gay. As for roughness, yes boys can be roudy, they shouldn't beat the crap out of other classmates, regardless of how it was "back in the day"

Anyone who beats up other classmates without reason is a bully. I had to deal with bullys myself in grade school, it sucked. I once broke a kid's nose because he stole one of my little sister's beanie babies that she had brought to school for show and tell. 3 days of ISS was my "reward", however once I got home I learned my father was very happy with me.

You know what? The simple fact is that some boys like playing with "girl toys"... some girls like playing with "boy toys." Why does that matter? Just because kids play with toys that are typically for the "other gender" that doesn't make a child "turn" gay.

H) Stop teaching my children that heather has two mommies and it's OK. It's not in my book, so don't teach it to my children.

it is okay, you don't like it, tell your kid it's a lie, I'm sure you already do that at least. Spread hate while they're young I always say. Can't have tolerance and/or understanding in our generation, or any for that matter.

By the way, as a gay teacher, the only thing that is influenced by my sexuality is I don't say gays are bad, I don't say they're good either, that's not my place. Anything else?

My book tells me it's wrong, and I'll continue to tell my children it is. I don't want them to grow up that way. I'll teach my children about sex when I think they're ready, not trust a broken school system to do it.

And maybe you're just misinterpreting what "your book" says? Because I've studied this particular topic, and find no reason to believe that the Bible condemns mutually loving and monogamous homosexual relationships. In fact, the Bible never mentions such a relationship. Though some say that the story of David and Jonathan is such a story.. but that isn't for me to say. In any case, what is mentioned is almost always in reference to ritual prostitution.. which also dealt with idoltry, which is a HUGE offense to God. Please read up on what you're saying.

Read all the bolded stuff.

Can we get back on topic?

I'm bi male... I think, Isn't that called bi curious or something? :confused:

I'm bi male... I think, Isn't that called bi curious or something? :confused:

Bisexual and bi-curious are two different things.

I am a bi male, too.

Am I the only one who thinks it's mindblowing there are more bi & homo women here than there are straight ones?!

That suprises the shit outta me! :eek:

I think it is more likely for a female to be open about bisexuality.

I think it is more likely for a female to be open about bisexuality.
YEs... I know more women have tried homosex than men, but that doesn't even qualify those women as bisexual. A bisexual is someone who'll form long loving relationships with both genders, not just mess around with a friend as a teenager.

As far as I know, real studies of peoples sexuality show roughly the same amount of homos & bis in both genders

YEs... I know more women have tried homosex than men, but that doesn't even qualify those women as bisexual. A bisexual is someone who'll form long loving relationships with both genders, not just mess around with a friend as a teenager.

As far as I know, real studies of peoples sexuality show roughly the same amount of homos & bis in both genders

Please, "same sex" at least - homosex is sex-with-man and that gets all loopy. And I believe a bisexual is someone who is -able- to form equally loving relationships with males and females. Some people just can't deal with long term relationships, as is evidenced by some of the divorces each year.

And yes, that makes the results a little more curious. Think we should try a four-stage "hetero, same-sex, bi-sex, bi-sex-curious" one? Regardless of gender, which might be the teensiest bit askew by where the survey is?

Heh, just a thought from something I read above. Isn't it amazing how many parents (meaning no offence) seem to think that if they don't tell their darling child (who could be 16 or 6 from the way I've seen some peeps act) about sex they're never going to find out anything about it on their own?

Hmm? Oh, bi-fem.

And I believe a bisexual is someone who is -able- to form equally loving relationships with males and females.


I've never been in a romantic relationship with another male, but I assume that I could if I met the right guy. Would you consider one to have to actually experience one to truly know?

Please, "same sex" at least - homosex is sex-with-man and that gets all loopy. And I believe a bisexual is someone who is -able- to form equally loving relationships with males and females. Some people just can't deal with long term relationships, as is evidenced by some of the divorces each year.
Homosex = Homosexual sex. Ei, sex performed by people of the same sex. It's not gender specific. Speaking as a male bi, I'm not sure whether you have a really poor sense of humour or if I should feel offended by your 'sloppy' crap.
Oh well, I don't really give a toss.

And yes, that makes the results a little more curious. Think we should try a four-stage "hetero, same-sex, bi-sex, bi-sex-curious" one? Regardless of gender, which might be the teensiest bit askew by where the survey is?

Heh, just a thought from something I read above. Isn't it amazing how many parents (meaning no offence) seem to think that if they don't tell their darling child (who could be 16 or 6 from the way I've seen some peeps act) about sex they're never going to find out anything about it on their own?

Hmm? Oh, bi-fem.
PEople who think sex education limits sexual activity are ingoring the facts. All survies clearly illustrates that sex ed raises the age where people have sex, limits unwanted pregnancies and goes a long way to limit the spread of STD's. I'm unable to guess whether such people are plain evil, or just so afraid of their offspring's sexuality, that they conciously ingore it, at the expense of said offspring. Either way, I'm not convinced they are fit for having children.

Last I checked the poll did include curious souls as well as hetero's homo's & bi's. I am just a bit shocked to see there are more bi & homo women than there are hetero's. As far as I know, real world numbers amongst women are about 10% of each, and 80% hetero's.

I've never been in a romantic relationship with another male, but I assume that I could if I met the right guy. Would you consider one to have to actually experience one to truly know?
It's a tough call when talking about bi's. Many eventually turn out straight or gay. Still, if you are secure in your sexuality, then there's no question. Most people aren't though.

Last I checked the poll did include curious souls as well as hetero's homo's & bi's. I am just a bit shocked to see there are more bi & homo women than there are hetero's. As far as I know, real world numbers amongst women are about 10% of each, and 80% hetero's.
NS Women! Gotta love 'em! They're just more liberated than the average run of wimmin. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I'm female bi-curious (I think :confused: ). I've had realtionships with guys and close friendships with girls that have bordered on romantic, so I think that's what I am judging by the definitions that are flying around. Though I'm still a teenager so all that could change I s'pose...

I'd like to experience a same-sex relationship one day. The one guy, who is one of my only male friends, I'd really like to have one with happens to be one of my female friend's boyfriend... and is straight. =-/ Too bad.

Having been through one romantic relatonship with a female, I'm curious as to the difference between having a male lover and a female lover.

OMFG You actually don't object to bestiality!!!!!!?!?!??!?!?!?

You disgust me.
LOL!
I actually know someone who prefers Llamas.
I'll leave it at that.

I have a friend who is a bestaliac. <_< I won't say any more than that. You don't want to hear any more than that.

I have a friend who is a bestaliac. <_< I won't say any more than that. You don't want to hear any more than that.
Ick. I consider myself to be pretty open and tolerant where sex is concerned, but ... [ shudders ].

Ick. I consider myself to be pretty open and tolerant where sex is concerned, but ... [ shudders ].

I'm semi-tolerant of it... if people get turned on thinking about fucking animals, fine. If they actually go and fuck an animal, though... well, that's just plain wrong.

I'd like to experience a same-sex relationship one day. The one guy, who is one of my only male friends, I'd really like to have one with happens to be one of my female friend's boyfriend... and is straight. =-/ Too bad.

Having been through one romantic relatonship with a female, I'm curious as to the difference between having a male lover and a female lover.
The difference? Men are lazy bums, who can't make a desicion to save their lives. Women are quite the opposite.

Women are obnoxious and controlling. Men will usually accept anything, as long as it involves either fun, sex, beer or not doing anything much at all.

Gay men are often more like women than men though. But I don't have a lot of experience with gays. They tend to avoid bi's for some reason, and I'm not sure I could find a feminin man atractive.

Stereotyping is fun though :p

I'm semi-tolerant of it... if people get turned on thinking about fucking animals, fine. If they actually go and fuck an animal, though... well, that's just plain wrong.
I have more pity for the poor animal than I would for someone who did that to one. :(

I happen to be a straight female who happens to think that chickies are prettier than dudes. I've tried having fun with a girl before, but does nothing for me sexually, though visually I am more attracted to them. Go figure that one out.

I love looking at porn and naked chicks, but it's only the hardcore that really get me going. When it comes to drawing I prefer drawing the female form over the male.

I voted that I was straight, but you may form your own opinion. Either way I don't care, it doesn't really matter in the end as far as personal relationships and public interactions go. All people are human in my book.

So, there's more gay males on NS than straight females. I would have thought that demographically impossible - well, improbable anyway...

I love looking at porn and naked chicks, but it's only the hardcore that really get me going.

...hey, me too! :D

So, there's more gay males on NS than straight females. I would have thought that demographically impossible - well, improbable anyway...

I think there are more gay males and heterosexual females on this site then the poll shows. There is probably just a small amount of both who actively participate in the forums, hetero males once again showing what big mouths we really can be. :p

So, there's more gay males on NS than straight females. I would have thought that demographically impossible - well, improbable anyway...

I think it's just because there are disproportionally more males than females on the forum full stop.

You forgot the asexual category. It may be a misnomer, but there has to be a choice that's on the scale away from bi, hetero and homo.

St8 male, seeing other naked guys makes me limp, so really no potential there.

Also most girls just claim to be bi, they mainly do other girls for the social kicks, it shows too so its easier to ignore them. I dont mind any of the other categories though.

The difference? Men are lazy bums, who can't make a desicion to save their lives. Women are quite the opposite.

Women are obnoxious and controlling. Men will usually accept anything, as long as it involves either fun, sex, beer or not doing anything much at all.

Gay men are often more like women than men though. But I don't have a lot of experience with gays. They tend to avoid bi's for some reason, and I'm not sure I could find a feminin man atractive.

Stereotyping is fun though :p

And people say southerners are ignorant bigots... :rolleyes:

Stereotyping is never fun, or accurate, or else I'd be running around in a bedsheet burning crosses.

I think it's just because there are disproportionally more males than females on the forum full stop.

I dunno, I think men are more secure in their sexuality than the world would have you believe, and vice versa for women, just my 2 cents.

It's either that or cause of us guys with no jobs(damn you borders) and nothing better to do with our time.

Gay men are often more like women than men though. But I don't have a lot of experience with gays. They tend to avoid bi's for some reason, and I'm not sure I could find a feminin man atractive.

Mini Miehm said it quite well: And people say southerners are ignorant bigots.

Stereotyping is not a nice thing to do. I'm going to admit right now I'm not a masculine guy at all but I'm not like a woman. I'm very much a guy. And the bolded section of your statement destroys your credibility.

And people say southerners are ignorant bigots... :rolleyes:

Stereotyping is never fun, or accurate, or else I'd be running around in a bedsheet burning crosses.


Stereotypical Italians are real. Sit around cooking, dancing, talking about the horce races, and all the while wearing Tuxedo's. And Italian Grandma's really well slap you upside the head with a fish or rolling pin.

??? An invasion of your privacy thread :p

Sorry to invade your privacy all, I am intrested to find out the sexuality make up of the NS forum. I am also intrested to find out wether if you are gay or straight and that leads to your political ideals. In addition I want to find out what brings you 2 NS especially if you arw gay.

I am Lez Fem myself .....
I am oriented toward attractive people with well-entrenched cynical absurdism and a fondness for superheroes. I don't define my sexual preference based on what people have between their legs, because doing that would be as silly as defining my preference by my taste in elbow shape or length of big toe.

The size of a person's nose is more important to me (in terms of physical attractiveness) than the type of genitals they have. Their personal hygene is several orders of magnitude more important than whether they've got a penis or a vagina. Their feelings on punk music are much more critical to my attraction to them than are their gonads.

Frankly, I don't get why so many people are determined to define their sexuality based on the groin region of their potential partners.

Stereotypical Italians are real. Sit around cooking, dancing, talking about the horce races, and all the while wearing Tuxedo's. And Italian Grandma's really well slap you upside the head with a fish or rolling pin.

And many of us are lucky enough to have our own bocci courts in the back yard.

And many of us are lucky enough to have our own bocci courts in the back yard.
Bocci is fun. We played at a friends BBQ last Christmas :D

Nonsexual female, closest to bi female of the listed poll options.

Nonsexual female, closest to bi female of the listed poll options.
If you don't mind my asking, how old are you? I ask because I am doing an informal survey regarding female sexual activity and age...I read something that suggested women are "most sexual" between 30 and 40 years old, and I am trying to find out if women's responses match up with that.

It's nice how this NS community is just so open about their sexuality. Except for the fact that nobody here knows who you are therefore placing you at no risk of physical persecution. I'm not saying this is a dead cert but it's likely you'll be hassled a little when you come out. Oh and BI-male all the way ;)

It's nice how this NS community is just so open about their sexuality. Except for the fact that nobody here knows who you are therefore placing you at no risk of physical persecution. I'm not saying this is a dead cert but it's likely you'll be hassled a little when you come out. Oh and BI-male all the way ;)
I know that I must be an oddball, but I've almost never been hastled about my sexuality. I never "came out" because I was always open about who I was attracted to, so everybody always knew that I was "bisexual." I've had to deal with a few jerks from time to time, but the majority of people don't seem to really give a hoot about my sexual orientation. I've never felt like my sexuality was a source of trouble...actually, my "religious orientation" (agnostic) has gotten me more trouble than my sexual orientation has.

Straight guy. Hopefully you aren't a feminist. They're annoying.

Straight guy. Hopefully you aren't a feminist. They're annoying.
Yeah, don't you just hate people who believe that males and females should be socially and politically equal? What castrating bitches...

Yeah, don't you just hate people who believe that males and females should be socially and politically equal? What castrating bitches...

I mean the castrating bitches who want equality and special privileges.

Straight guy. Hopefully you aren't a feminist. They're annoying.

You know who are annoying? Straight guys.

I mean the bitches who want equality and special privileges.
By definition, such creatures are not feminists. A feminist is a person who believes in the social and political equality of the sexes; a person who believes in gender inequality is NOT a feminist, and if they try to claim they are then you can just smack them one for me.

You know who are annoying? Straight guys.

Here comes the goonsquad to shriek at the evil woman hater. Oh no, whatever shall I do...

Here comes the goonsquad to shriek at the evil woman hater. Oh no, whatever shall I do...

What's the matter? Don't like poor generalizations?

What's the matter? Don't like poor generalizations?

Your generalization was worse than mine. Bad, BAD. I specified with my follow up, now it's your turn.

To make it simple, I meant the radical feminists, such as Mary Daly. Those who are guilty of reverse discrimination and sexism, the ones with anti-male prejudices.

Your generalization was worse than mine. Bad, BAD. I specified with my follow up, now it's your turn.

Like, "I hate guys who think that all feminists are evil, man-hating, Nazi-bitches"??

Like, "I hate guys who think that all feminists are evil, man-hating, Nazi-bitches"??

Reread my two posts, and comprehend. Oh, and Nazism has nothing to do with this. Neither does evil.

I am oriented toward attractive people with well-entrenched cynical absurdism and a fondness for superheroes. I don't define my sexual preference based on what people have between their legs, because doing that would be as silly as defining my preference by my taste in elbow shape or length of big toe.

The size of a person's nose is more important to me (in terms of physical attractiveness) than the type of genitals they have. Their personal hygene is several orders of magnitude more important than whether they've got a penis or a vagina. Their feelings on punk music are much more critical to my attraction to them than are their gonads.

Frankly, I don't get why so many people are determined to define their sexuality based on the groin region of their potential partners.

Actually, I think most people define their sexuality based on the way their brain responds to different pheremones. It just happens that most people's brains only respond with attraction to the type of pheremones matched to people with one set of genitals, or the other. I expect many would dearly love to be unencumbered by such restrictions, as you seem to be, but unfortunately that is not the case.

[/"mild", in literary terms, voice]

I SUPPOSE if I had to classify myself by definition I would be a Bi-sexual male. Now I personally believe that true love is genderless, and all love romantic or otherwise, can be expressed by one PERSON to another person, without these meaningless nonsenses about "liking only men", or "liking only women", or "not knowing what the hell you like", insofar as the term "like" is described. I happen to LIKE vanilla flavored ice cream, but i'm not gonna rub all over me while moaning madly. But I digress. In the end , however, society can force into your mindset labels classifying various types of sexual desires that would not normally existed, as lust in its purest form is unfocused. Take the ancient Japanese, for instance. They commonly engaged in sex with PEOPLE of both genders and all ages. The ideas of heterosexuality and whatnot, simply did not exist. Hard to imagine, i'm sure. Anyway, I myself like to think that way to some extent, though i know (and rather resent) the fact that modern society has irreversibly burned into my thoughts, no matter how deep, no mater how dark, the preconceived notions of sexual preference. I think, however, as has been demontrated by several posts in this forum, how people can be so daunted by the letter of the law, that they can learn to hate anyone with the definition........"pedophile" (omg, scary word) attached to them. Just go up to the verage person on the street and ask them what they think of pedophiles I.e., Someone sexually attracted to minors, usually but not necessarily prepubescent). You will get numerous people making sour looks, swearing emphatically that they hate them, that they're sick and have nothing to do with them, as well as the occasional religious fanatic who gets on his knees and prays for your soul, right there. Believe me. I Tried it. I myself know many "pedophiles" and understand that they themselves are the victims of society creating a category, teaching it to our youth, that youth then subconciously classifies him/herself as that, based upon fantasies they might have early on. This will make them fell sick about themselves, after a long time they will come to accept it however, and will then resent society denying them they're equality, making them feel forced to prey on that which is so prejudicially denied, in this case, the children we try so hard to protect from these "onsters" the very monsters we created with our creating of classifications. To ice the cake, however, we then punish them for being what we made them. Ah, complexities. Anyway, as i've really freaking gone over the 1 or two line limit for such a seemingly simple survey, I really must get to the bottom line. Preference: Bisexual Gender:Male Political standing:Liberal (if you could not frigging tell THAT........) Religion:I was born and raised baptist, but i'm really just a sort of religious "sponge", soaking all of the other religions up and slowly, subconciously creating my own. I shall call it.....WALRUSISM! :D

"Pedophiles" attracted to prepubescents: A little worrisome.
"Pedophiles" who pursue prepubescents: GET AWAY!! NOW!!!
"Pedophiles" who are attracted to and/or pursue post-pubescent adolescents: Society, shut up.

... the children we try so hard to protect from these "monsters" the very monsters we created with our creating of classifications. To ice the cake, however, we then punish them for being what we made them. [ edited for brevity ]
The word only represents the thing itself; the word does not create the thing, nor does it change the thing. Society does not create child molestors by labeling an act of sexuality performed on a child. The act exists independent of anything society says or does. We could call it "Gertrude" and the act would still exist in its same form.

Classification is not alteration, and separation from society is necessary for the preservation of society.

Please get real.

Pyladia, is it me or are you trying to justify pedophilia? A child cannot consent to such acts. It is rape. That simple. Yes, eutrusca said it right on the money... get real. Justifying pedophiles is very horrid.

The word only represents the thing itself; the word does not create the thing, nor does it change the thing. Society does not create child molestors by labeling an act of sexuality performed on a child. The act exists independent of anything society says or does. We could call it "Gertrude" and the act would still exist in its same form.

Classification is not alteration, and separation from society is necessary for the preservation of society.

Please get real.
You have an excellent point. However, my intent was to explain that when a human commits an act of abuse on another human being, it is wrong as all humans are created equal, and have an equal right to choose. Unfortunately we have removed the pedophile, or "gertrude's" right to choose by stating that an act of sex between a minor and an adult is abhorrhent, and we have removed the minor's right to choose by stating that he is not old enough to decide yet with whom he/she goes to bed with. I stress CHOOSE, because i assumed in this forum we were discussing consentual sexual preferences. I personally and truly believe that a consentual act between two consenting humans is not a bad thing. Notice I say human not adult, or pedophile, or heterosexual, or homosexual, or whatever other piece of garbage term you can throw at me. The fact is, that my point is proven with yours and several other comments made. I explained that the average reaction to anything of such a sensitive matter in society was often met harshly, and here it is. Anyway, the point is not whether or not a word represents the "thing" as you stated, but the aura and stigma attached to the word that is meant to convey something negative: the ultimate tabboo in a society where we raise children in ignorance and then tell them they are too stupid to choose; a society where we raise people to feel disgusted and trapped within their own desires, because the object of their desires was raised so innocent, how can one defile something so innocent? And once they do, consentual or not, it becomes something evil, even in my own eyes. For though I don't believe that we should teach our youth like that, we do it anyway, and so it becomes "Evil" and the commiter of the act becomes a "monster", a doer of evil.

ahhh crap! you all got me off topic! my point was not to justify anything but to provide an example of how there truly is no real sexuality; just unfocused lust, slowly focused and diluted by society. For, by acknowledging the existence of pedophilia, we create pedophiles. Just as by acknowledging homo or heterosexuals, we create them both. Now that I think about it, I guess that means we create our evils and fit them into society, only to try and erradicate them later. Fascinating!

You have an excellent point. However, my intent was to explain that when a human commits an act of abuse on another human being, it is wrong as all humans are created equal, and have an equal right to choose. Unfortunately we have removed the pedophile, or "gertrude's" right to choose by stating that an act of sex between a minor and an adult is abhorrhent, and we have removed the minor's right to choose by stating that he is not old enough to decide yet with whom he/she goes to bed with. I stress CHOOSE, because i assumed in this forum we were discussing consentual sexual preferences. I personally and truly believe that a consentual act between two consenting humans is not a bad thing. Notice I say human not adult, or pedophile, or heterosexual, or homosexual, or whatever other piece of garbage term you can throw at me.

I do not feel you can compare pedophilia with sexuality. It is more of a thing of power and is totally disgusting. I do not think it is right a minor and an adult engage in these acts. This is not consenual as a minor cannot consent. That simple. We never said they were too stupid to choose, but we are saying it is morally repugnant that an adult can take advantage of a kid. A kid is not fully developed.

Pedophiles are monsters and as far as i'm concerned should be locked up with the general inmate population.

For, by acknowledging the existence of pedophilia, we create pedophiles. Just as by acknowledging homo or heterosexuals, we create them both. Now that I think about it, I guess that means we create our evils and fit them into society, only to try and erradicate them later. Fascinating!

That's nonsense. Pedophiles would exist regardless. A minor cannot consent to such acts, and it is just wrong. I'm disgusted by it. We aren't creating them. They exist and they prey on kids. How you can justify this.. well.. is just plain disgusting.

I do not feel you can compare pedophilia with sexuality. It is more of a thing of power and is totally disgusting. I do not think it is right a minor and an adult engage in these acts. This is not consenual as a minor cannot consent. That simple.

Pedophiles are monster and as far as i'm concerned should be locked up with the general inmate population.
YES! YES! pedophiles ARE monsters! But society created them, which is my point. The society you live in which also taught you to feel that "they should be locked up with the general inmate population". For make no mistake. You were not born with the belief that pedophiles are evil. You had to have learned this belief from others.

YES! YES! pedophiles ARE monsters! But society created them, which is my point. The society you live in which also taught you to feel that "they should be locked up with the general inmate population". For make no mistake. You were not born with the belief that pedophiles are evil. You had to have learned this belief from others.

Society didn't create them. No, no, no, no! They are the ones that commit crimes against children. I'm sorry, but these people would exist with or without society. They exist outside of the realm of society. And you know what? I was taught by the law that murder is also wrong. By your logic we should legalize murder?

Society didn't create them. No, no, no, no! They are the ones that commit crimes against children. I'm sorry, but these people would exist with or without society. They exist outside of the realm of society. And you know what? I was taught by the law that murder is also wrong. By your logic we should legalize murder?
Only society can define crime, im afraid. and only society can thus define criminal, or pedophile. thus pedophiles by OUR definition would exist, but pedophiles the evil could not. it is possible to have intergeneational sex without our society, but the stigma surrounding it was created by US!

Only society can define crime, im afraid. and only society can thus define criminal, or pedophile. thus pedophiles by OUR definition would exist, but pedophiles the evil could not. it is possible to have intergeneational sex without our society, but the stigma surrounding it was created by US!

No. Humans themselves can define what is wrong and what is right. Dude, truly.. Pedophiles are monsters. The stigma was not created in the US. It is worldwide. I feel that pedophilia is just downright wrong. I don't know how the hell you can justify yourself. How old are you? Are you attracted to children?

The gaping holes in your logic.. well are glaring.

I think there is a language barrier here...

Now would all of you good little societal puppets, if you cant think objectively and for yourselves, stop speaking of such a complex matter that goes beyond the society you are in the thrall of! my intent was to express my view of a genderless lust, defined and focused only into sexual preference by society. Besides, your all acting the way i had hoped you would. It proves my point that the mere mention of the WORD pedophile, because of subconscious connotations, creates an instant desire to disassociate oneself from them by expressing disgust by the illegal acts they commit.

Now would all of you good little societal puppets, if you cant think objectively and for yourselves, stop speaking of such a complex matter that goes beyond the society you are in the thrall of! my intent was to express my view of a genderless lust, defined and focused only into sexual preference by society. Besides, your all acting the way i had hoped you would. It proves my point that the mere mention of the WORD pedophile, because of subconscious connotations, creates an instant desire to disassociate oneself from them by expressing disgust by the illegal acts they commit.

Now you are resorting to ad hominems (calling me a societal puppet). Apparently I can speak objectively and for myself, and you can't. You are the one who is justifying a crime... dude, you truly are totally wrong. I'm sorry, but your logic is bad and your arguments just don't add up. Your paragraphs are totally incoherent. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation. I think you really should re-think your logic, before you dare attack me on this front. I feel pedophilia is wrong like murder. That's an independent feeling thank you very much. I would feel that way without society.

You argue in a very incoherent manner with circular arguments. You don't justify your arguments.

No. Humans themselves can define what is wrong and what is right. Dude, truly.. Pedophiles are monsters. The stigma was not created in the US. It is worldwide. I feel that pedophilia is just downright wrong. I don't know how the hell you can justify yourself. How old are you? Are you attracted to children?

The gaping holes in your logic.. well are glaring.
You feel this way because you were taught it by those who already exist in society, it was taught to them, so on so on. you will forever feel in your mind that it is wrong, if you dont look at it objectively. As for the gaping holes in my logic....them's fightin' words! ;) P.s: i am NOT attracted to children, i was raised in the same society as you and it disgusts me. the same was true for homosexuals 50 years ago, in florida you could kill them legally....anyway, now, years later everyones gay, its the new thing to do, and anyones whos not insists there no a homophobe. So see, 50 years ago youd all be pissed at me for condoning homosexuality, which was also a mental disorder at the time. Another 50 years, who knows?

you dont by any chance consider yourself homosexual do you? :cool:

Well, there is a variety of exactly what can be described as paedophilia - from someone who snatches prepubescent children from playgrounds, to a mature individual having relations with a partner who is only slightly under legal age.

Obviously it is a matter of degrees and consent - and of course, children cannot give consent: they do not properly understand the implications and consequences of sexual intercourse. There might be debate about exactly when they do reach an age where they can give clear and informed consent, and it would vary between individuals, but from a legal standpoint a minimum age must be set to protect the vulnerable from sexual predators, and from themselves.

Not to mention that in modern society, one could well argue that children mature at slower rates due to how society regards them. At some point in human history, like all other mammals, there were clear physical indicators of when an individual was ready to breed. But our societal system has rendered basic "animal indicators" unclear and virtually useless.

Bottom line is, regardless of what society and laws say, it is basic common sense and moral reasoning that there IS a minimum age before consent can be given...

You feel this way because you were taught it by those who already exist in society, it was taught to them, so on so on. you will forever feel in your mind that it is wrong, if you dont look at it objectively. As for the gaping holes in my logic....them's fightin' words! ;) P.s: i am NOT attracted to children, i was raised in the same society as you and it disgusts me. the same was true for homosexuals 50 years ago, in florida you could kill them legally....anyway, now, years later everyones gay, its the new thing to do, and anyones whos not insists there no a homophobe. So see, 50 years ago youd all be pissed at me for condoning homosexuality, which was also a mental disorder at the time. Another 50 years, who knows?

I would come up with this in my own mind with or without society. For one, don't you ever compare gay people to pedophiles. Well, I find you morally repulsive. Everyones gay? Its the new thing to do? For those statements I'm going to laugh. You are so ridiculous. I AM GAY. For goodness sakes.. don't you ever compare me to a pedophile. A child cannot consent... that simple. They just cannot because they are not fully developed. That moreso has to do with the facts of human biology.

Pedophilia is NOT a sexual orientation.

110% Gay. And I'm loving it :)
Indeed. 50 years ago youd be crucified in much the same way as you are now flaming our new perverts. I wonder who our next ones will be? people with an "unnatural love for a printer?" Either way, ill be defending them from the people youre bashing now, no doubt.

decades ago a psychologist would lock a gay person in a nut ward and say he cant consent

Indeed. 50 years ago youd be crucified in much the same way as you are now flaming our new perverts. I wonder who our next ones will be? people with an "unnatural love for a printer?" Either way, ill be defending them from the people youre bashing now, no doubt.

Slippery slope argument fallacy.

"The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed."

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html

Your argument is now invalidated. I'm sorry but slippery slope arguments don't fly around here. You need to do better then that. Take my own advice. I've been asked not to do it myself. It doesn't help your argument.