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That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D

I love America more than you! Ha!

i lvoe america more, cos im not american! :D

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D
You do realize that by posting this, numerous people are going to feel obligated to tear you down.

God bless the U.S.A.

That's nice.

amen I'm sick of everyone bashing us on these stupid forums, it makes me sick

oh btw this is probably gonna become flame-bait within the next day or so because I've found it's perfectly ok for people to put up topics saying how much America sucks but God forbid a topic that's pro-US ever shows up.

You do realize that by posting this, numerous people are going to feel obligated to tear you down.

God bless the U.S.A.
I don't see why. He hasn't spoken down upon other countries. Just that he has a love for his own country.

I don't see why. He hasn't spoken down upon other countries. Just that he has a love for his own country.

yep, nowt wrong with that

"God Bless America. Land that I love. Stand beside her, and guide her, through the night with the light from above. From the moutains, to the prairies, to the oceans white with foam! God bless America, my home sweet home"

I wouldn't want to live anyplace else. This nation is truly the greatest nation on earth. We are not out to acquire territory. We give more money in foreign aide than some nations gdp. We are always willing to lend a helping hand to those in need.

BTW I have no problem with letting the man make the living, and staying at home taking care of the kids, because I think that is an AWESOME role for a woman to have. And don't you dare tell me I'm lesser for it.

Besides I bake great cookies.

"God Bless America. Land that I love. Stand beside her, and guide her, through the night with the light from above.
Did you know that many school kids mishear that and go through life thinking that it's "Through the night with a light from a bulb"?

I know for the longest time I thought 'My Country Tis of Thee' went "Land where my father died, land where the pilgrims cried" and wondered why we had to sing such a grim song.

Did you know that many school kids mishear that and go through life thinking that it's "Through the night with a light from a bulb"?

I know for the longest time I thought 'My Country Tis of Thee' went "Land where my father died, land where the pilgrims cried" and wondered why we had to sing such a grim song.
When we sang "When Johnny comes home again" it took me awhile before I figured out why a couple kids were cracking up when we sang the part the goes
"And we'll all feel gay when..."

I was in 2nd grade at the time...

Did you know that many school kids mishear that and go through life thinking that it's "Through the night with a light from a bulb"?

Yep! It does sound like that but my parents taught it to me the right way :D

I know for the longest time I thought 'My Country Tis of Thee' went "Land where my father died, land where the pilgrims cried" and wondered why we had to sing such a grim song.

I understand that.

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D

Well, I am a liberal. I love America, but I don't love our current government, and I hate Bush. And waving a flag does not make you a patriot. Sorry. There's a difference between a nationalist and a patriot. I think most conservatives confuse the two.

when a patriot sees his country doing something that is not good, something which could have disastrous results (like the war in Iraq) the patriot will speak out and dissent, and try to stop his country from jumping over the cliff. That's love for your country. The nationalist, on the other hand, will follow their country right over the cliff without even thinking twice about it...or even once.

There's a difference between patriotism and blind nationalism. I really wish the conservatives would quit mistaking the two. One can be liberal and still be a patriot. One can still love this country and not like Bush.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the ad hominem attacks from the right that if you don't stand lock, stock, and barrel behind Bush then you are an "America-hater" or that you are a "terrorist-lover" or that you are "giving aid and comfort to the terrorists" because you publicaly disagree with Bush's policies.

This is supposed to be a democracy, and not everyone is going to agree. I just wish those that don't agree with my side would quit hurling ad hominem hateful and hurtful attacks like they do.

I deeply love my country. I just hate the way it is currently being run (into the ground!)

I do not like guns, I'm in favor of gun-control legislation (I don't want people who shouldn't have guns having easy access to them) I am pro-choice, I don't think that you show your patriotism by simply waving a piece of cloth...you show your patriotism by always trying to do what is best for your country, even if it is unpopular...and by dissenting when your country is doing things that you feel are wrong, you are showing more patriotism than you are by blindly cheering and waving a bit of cloth (though I do want to see our flag respected) I support the military, to a point...I do not support the brass, because I think they lied us into a war that they wanted, which has had disastrous results (1,800 American soldiers dead, terrorism at an all-time high, hundreds of thousands of our servicepeople sent into harm's way with inadequate supplies) I do not support the current military policy, I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and gotten Bin Laden. Saddam was no threat to us, and the top brass knew it.

And, by the way...i'm a liberal...and I love the U.S.A. At least, the U.S.A. that was...before Bush! Please, God, give me my country back!!

(dons Kevlar vest waiting for the ad hominem attacks from conservatives...)

*Watches as various forumers begin to twitch wildly.*

I love america more than any of you. Note to Liberals and America Haters: This is a thread purely for expressing your joy at living in the greatest country in the world. If you want to trash it, try the thread next door. If you want a debate, make a thread about a specific issue. Love it or leave it. I choose to love it. Did i mention how much America Rocks, well it does.

P.S. I LOVE AMERICA

...I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan...

We left? :rolleyes:

I assure you ma'am, there is a massive difference between the US leaving and the reporters leaving. The two are not the same.

EDIT:

We left? :rolleyes:

I assure you sir, there is a massive difference between the US leaving and the reporters leaving. The two are not the same.

if you quoted Lyric, he's a she

Well, I am a liberal. I love America, but I don't love our current government, and I hate Bush. And waving a flag does not make you a patriot. Sorry. There's a difference between a nationalist and a patriot. I think most conservatives confuse the two.

(dons Kevlar vest waiting for the ad hominem attacks from conservatives...)
the rest was too long to quote. but you won't need kevlar from me. I am a conservative cavalier, and I party with Mr. Bush on a nightly basis. I really think that if you come party with us, you will have a whole different outlook on George. No kevlar needed, just a breath-a-lizer if you want to drive home.

if you quoted Lyric, he's a she

Well how the hell am I supposed to know that? :p

YAY TO FREEDOM AND REPUBOCRACY! Its not fair its named after the Democrats. France aint got nothin on us!

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/frenchtroops.html

Did you know the founding fathers were conservative? They (Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, etc, you know.. the good ones) were Federalists and believed in a small central Government. HOORAY to the forerunners of the Republican Party

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D
So do you love the government, all the population, the dirt that extends to your borders, the flag, or all of the above?

Well how the hell am I supposed to know that? :p

True true and what cesspool are you from in PA if I may ask?

Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal! :eek:

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!

Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal! :eek:

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!

Funny we did the same under the Clinton Administration and didn't blindly follow his policies!

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson

And your last line was really uncalled for and is blantant flamebait.

Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal! :eek:

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!
I never did like that Jefferson guy when he said things I didn't like.

Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal! :eek:

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!

I actually agree with you. I'm ashamed of the Big Government generation of Republicans, and their attempts to force the government in to all segments of life. Thier pandering and appeasement of their special interests is disgusting, especially when draped in patriotism. We need more civil liberties and less government.

And your last line was really uncalled for and is blantant flamebait.
As opposed to the blatant flamebait in this entire thread?

As opposed to the blatant flamebait in this entire thread?
This thread is meant for patriotic citizens who love america, you others have your own thread. I believe its called Im a Communist or, oh yes, its Anti Americanism. Go there, then move to France. Love it or leave it pal

Funny we did the same under the Clinton Administration and didn't blindly follow his policies!
I just love the delicious irony of this. I've heard the right screaming about how we should all support the president and th country no matter what, and I remember damn well what they were saying when President Clinton was in power. Just as I remember the left's responce to that, and their own attacks on the first President Bush. And should a Democrat get elected next, I'm sure the attacks will start up again and BOTH sides will suffer a head injury causing them to forget what they said. :rolleyes:

True true and what cesspool are you from in PA if I may ask?

I live in a suburb of Wilkes-Barre in North East PA, a place commonly called "little Philly" and known to be the #1 place to get Heroin in the state. It's essentially run by the mafia, the economy is in the gutter, crime is higher then ever, our mayor is a total ass clown (not to mention a whore master,) and we import drug dealers from New York... You get the idea. :D

This thread is meant for patriotic citizens who love america, you others have your own thread. I believe its called Im a Communist or, oh yes, its Anti Americanism.
Quit flamebaiting.

As opposed to the blatant flamebait in this entire thread?

Nothing flamebait in this thread except coming from you and Lyric. So far you are the only 2 that have managed to flame and no one else has.

I'm just sick of people succumbing to Newspeak and telling liberals to move to France/Canada if we "hate America so much," which couldn't be farther from the truth, as I already pointed out.

I live in a suburb of Wilkes-Barre in North East PA, a place commonly called "little Philly" and known to be the #1 place to get Heroin in the state. It's essentially run by the mafia, the economy is in the gutter, crime is higher then ever, our mayor is a total ass clown (not to mention a whore master,) and we import drug dealers from New York... You get the idea. :D

Cesspool alright. I live outside of Pittsburgh and attend a university in Lancaster County.

The truth is you guys are the one who flamed this thread. You saw a couple of people who loved America and had to ruin it with your liberal propaganda.

Nothing flamebait in this thread except coming from you and Lyric. So far you are the only 2 that have managed to flame and no one else has.
I'd disagree on that. There have been a couple of people, Achtung incldued, who have been flamebaiting, but surprisingly Lyric hasn't.

Nothing flamebait in this thread except coming from you and Lyric. So far you are the only 2 that have managed to flame and no one else has.
This isn't flamebait? YAY TO FREEDOM AND REPUBOCRACY! Its not fair its named after the Democrats. France aint got nothin on us!

Did you know the founding fathers were conservative? They (Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, etc, you know.. the good ones) were Federalists and believed in a small central Government. HOORAY to the forerunners of the Republican PartyNot to mention the historical inaccuracies in that last part.

This isn't flamebait? I love america more than any of you. Note to Liberals and America Haters: This is a thread purely for expressing your joy at living in the greatest country in the world. If you want to trash it, try the thread next door. If you want a debate, make a thread about a specific issue. Love it or leave it. I choose to love it. Did i mention how much America Rocks, well it does.
Oh looky, same guy.

And look at the post above yours. Oh looky! same guy!

I just love the delicious irony of this. I've heard the right screaming about how we should all support the president and th country no matter what, and I remember damn well what they were saying when President Clinton was in power. Just as I remember the left's responce to that, and their own attacks on the first President Bush. And should a Democrat get elected next, I'm sure the attacks will start up again and BOTH sides will suffer a head injury causing them to forget what they said. :rolleyes:

We'll never know. As I said though, I respect the President and his policy decisions. I may not like them and I'll do my best to get them overturned but he is the president of the United States.

whats amazing is that every time im in a political thread, its always like the same 10 guys.

Cesspool alright. I live outside of Pittsburgh and attend a university in Lancaster County.

Lancaster and most of the towns on the way down always struck me as much nicer then were I live. My theory is that the valley walls contain the cess... of course that doesn't account for Philly but oh well.

I'd disagree on that. There have been a couple of people, Achtung incldued, who have been flamebaiting, but surprisingly Lyric hasn't.

Read her post regarding conservatives.

This isn't flamebait? Not to mention the historical inaccuracies in that last part.

This isn't flamebait? Oh looky, same guy.

And look at the post above yours. Oh looky! same guy!
I was simply reacting to being called an ASS MONKEY, my sentiment is quite understandable if you use your brain and think about it. You don't even know who the Federalists were, so stop pretending you do.

Lancaster and most of the towns on the way down always struck me as much nicer then were I live. My theory is that the valley walls contain the cess... of course that doesn't account for Philly but oh well.

LOL! Come down to Millersville! Its a great place to live :D

I was simply reacting to being called an ASS MONKEY, my sentiment is quite understandable if you use your brain and think about it.

Now this can be construed as borderline flamebait. Sorry TF but had to say it.

We'll never know. As I said though, I respect the President and his policy decisions. I may not like them and I'll do my best to get them overturned but he is the president of the United States.
Oh we'll know, no matter GOP dreams, they will not retain power. I say this as a matter of historical reality as America swings from liberal to conservative reguarly (a cycle takes about a decade and a half) so they will lose power.

I respect the office of the president, though I may not respect or like the holder of that office.

Read her post regarding conservatives.
I thought it was more criticism than flamebaiting, but she was using blanket-statements so I can definately see your point.

I was simply reacting to being called an ASS MONKEY, my sentiment is quite understandable if you use your brain and think about it. You don't even know who the Federalists were, so stop pretending you do.
I could get myself banned in a heartbeat for "reacting" to what I've heard from in this thread. But I chose to keep it relatevely sensible. You don't even know that the Republicans in those days were liberal. I think Corneliu would agree with me on that one.

LOL! Come down to Millersville! Its a great place to live :D


I'm sure the same could be said for a substantial number of places that are well... not here. :D

Oh we'll know, no matter GOP dreams, they will not retain power. I say this as a matter of historical reality as America swings from liberal to conservative reguarly (a cycle takes about a decade and a half) so they will lose power.

Yep. I agree with you. The country does have mood swings and that makes this country great to live in.

I respect the office of the president, though I may not respect or like the holder of that office.

Just respect the office is all I ask :) and u do so I have no quarell with you :)

I LOVE AMERICA........................N FLAMEBAIT!!

This is what you can do in the freest country in the world! Countries wehere citizens respect the opinions of others are all communist, totalitarian and terrorist! We must stop them by invading and imposing our system on them - masking imperialism with "spreading freedom and democracy"! Ya ya ya!!

yay for america. :rolleyes:

...the Republicans in those days were liberal...

I hope to God that you know the word "liberal" back then has nothing to do with what it means today!

The truth is you guys are the one who flamed this thread. You saw a couple of people who loved America and had to ruin it with your liberal propaganda.
Yes, the joys of an open forum on the Internet means that anyone can come and say whatever they want. Now if you want a nice non-liberal (though that word is not correct) love fest, TG people or start a mailing list. You can talk about how wonderful America is and how great President Bush is to your heart's content, but please don't state that a thread was runied as if it was your own private party that was gate crashed.

ok, sorry about the "use yur brain thing" i was merely trying to get them to see my pov, but i suppose it was uncalled for. I still don't appreciate being called an ass monkey though and if i was borderline, he was over it.

Yes, the joys of an open forum on the Internet means that anyone can come and say whatever they want. Now if you want a nice non-liberal (though that word is not correct) love fest, TG people or start a mailing list. You can talk about how wonderful America is and how great President Bush is to your heart's content, but please don't state that a thread was runied as if it was your own private party that was gate crashed.
I didnt say it was, i just think if there is a thread out there for all the people who hate us, itd be nice to have one for people who are proud of their country. We arent the ones who flamed it

Yep. I agree with you. The country does have mood swings and that makes this country great to live in. But slightly annoying if you're trying for stability for a few moments. ;)

Just respect the office is all I ask :) and u do so I have no quarell with you :)
Yup, I'm sure we'll find something else to tangle about in a bit. :D

I hate people who bash other countries! I love the US too. But I have been cheating on it with Canada for most my life. :) Some idiots just like to make fun of other countries because they're idiots. Here's to the US!

and god Bless Canada.

Well, I am a liberal. I love America, but I don't love our current government, and I hate Bush. And waving a flag does not make you a patriot. Sorry. There's a difference between a nationalist and a patriot. I think most conservatives confuse the two.

I'm well aware of what it means to be a nationalist and a patriot, and I am both, because I not only "love, support, and defend" my country, but am also devoted to its interests. I believe you can't truly have one without the other.

when a patriot sees his country doing something that is not good, something which could have disastrous results (like the war in Iraq) the patriot will speak out and dissent, and try to stop his country from jumping over the cliff. That's love for your country. The nationalist, on the other hand, will follow their country right over the cliff without even thinking twice about it...or even once.

I don't know where you got that definition of nationalist, because it isn't in my American dictionary.

There's a difference between patriotism and blind nationalism. I really wish the conservatives would quit mistaking the two. One can be liberal and still be a patriot. One can still love this country and not like Bush.

I never once said that liberals aren't patriots. This is what I like to call assumptions, and putting words into another's mouth. Read what is posted before adding retorts to words that were never said.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the ad hominem attacks from the right that if you don't stand lock, stock, and barrel behind Bush then you are an "America-hater" or that you are a "terrorist-lover" or that you are "giving aid and comfort to the terrorists" because you publicaly disagree with Bush's policies.

I've looked in two dictionaries and a slang dictionary, and no where do I find the word hominem, now, I could be ignorant, and it could be latin, but please, tell me what it is so I can respond properly.

These ignorant philosophies were not started here, you're ranting over something that no one else said. You've come into this thread defensive and carrying accusations. Because I claim to be conservative, you're assuming that I believe all liberals are bad people? or anti- American? All you are showing me is that you have different views, and you're largely insecure about them. You're angry that people make assumptions about you, and you're stance, and attack it, yet are you doing anything different? This is what I like to call hypocrisy.

This is supposed to be a democracy, and not everyone is going to agree. I just wish those that don't agree with my side would quit hurling ad hominem hateful and hurtful attacks like they do.

I deeply love my country. I just hate the way it is currently being run (into the ground!)

Again that hominem word. I'm really curious about that one. I haven't seen one post in here that did that. Get ahold of yourself and your temper.

I do not like guns, I'm in favor of gun-control legislation (I don't want people who shouldn't have guns having easy access to them) I am pro-choice, I don't think that you show your patriotism by simply waving a piece of cloth...you show your patriotism by always trying to do what is best for your country, even if it is unpopular...and by dissenting when your country is doing things that you feel are wrong, you are showing more patriotism than you are by blindly cheering and waving a bit of cloth (though I do want to see our flag respected) I support the military, to a point...I do not support the brass, because I think they lied us into a war that they wanted, which has had disastrous results (1,800 American soldiers dead, terrorism at an all-time high, hundreds of thousands of our servicepeople sent into harm's way with inadequate supplies) I do not support the current military policy, I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and gotten Bin Laden. Saddam was no threat to us, and the top brass knew it.

I disagree with you, but please, read the Anti-American Thread for more information on my reasons.

And, by the way...i'm a liberal...and I love the U.S.A. At least, the U.S.A. that was...before Bush! Please, God, give me my country back!!

(dons Kevlar vest waiting for the ad hominem attacks from conservatives...)

You have an opinion, and its yours, I disagree, and that makes this country great. I'm glad you love America. But don't go bringing arguments to a thread thats dedicated on uniting those that love this country, not dividing it based upon disagreements.

I didnt say it was, i just think if there is a thread out there for all the people who hate us, itd be nice to have one for people who are proud of their country. You guys were the ones who came in and ruined it
This is a public forum. No one ruined anything. If you wanted to post on the Anti-Americanism thread (which if I recall, was started by an American who wanted to know why such sentiments come up), then by all means do so. But do not expect to be hosting a private party in a public forum.

I hope to God that you know the word "liberal" back then has nothing to do with what it means today!
you mean the Newspeak version or the real meaning? Either way, they are both different in one way or another.

So do you love the government, all the population, the dirt that extends to your borders, the flag, or all of the above?

I love the constitution, distrust the government, and want less of it =) the people I would die to protect, even if I disagree (that goes for you too Lyric) and the dirt makes me sneeze, but its ours, the flag is beautiful, the star spangled banner gives me chills, and I'm proud to be an American.

Clicky to the Wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

An ad hominem is a logical fallacy, it literally means "argument to the man" in latin. It is basically an attack on a person instead of his statements or beliefs.

But slightly annoying if you're trying for stability for a few moments. ;)

Agreed

Yup, I'm sure we'll find something else to tangle about in a bit. :D

what a logical comment to make :D

This is a public forum. No one ruined anything. If you wanted to post on the Anti-Americanism thread (which if I recall, was started by an American who wanted to know why such sentiments come up), then by all means do so. But do not expect to be hosting a private party in a public forum.

I did post in the Anti-Americanism Forum and if you want to know where I stand, read it, but i did not, at any point, flame it. Ive been a bit testy in this thread but thats only because i was called an ass monkey.

I didnt say it was, i just think if there is a thread out there for all the people who hate us, itd be nice to have one for people who are proud of their country. You guys were the ones who came in and ruined it
And you're more than welcome to go over there and debate them as well. There are no locked or private threads here, and believe you me, ANYTHING on NationStates will start a debate. State the sky is blue and I can assure you that LG will come over and debate you on it.

So it's not runied by the standards of this forum, indeed, with the replies it seems to be off to a good start.

BTW, The Federalists were not conservatives by today's standards, they wanted a strong central goverment (small, but America wasn't that big). Jefferson leading the Democratic Republicans (today's Democratic party) pushed for his vision of a weak central goverment and an agracultural society.

In reality, neither party can claim to fully represent the vision of the founding fathers today nor can either the so called liberals or conservatives do so.

Clicky to the Wiki. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

An ad hominem is a logical fallacy, it literally means "argument to the man" in latin. It is basically an attack on a person instead of his statements or beliefs.

Ah, thank you! I love learning new words, which is why I had three dictionaries. :)

you mean the Newspeak version or the real meaning? Either way, they are both different in one way or another.

I was referring to the difference between what you consider yourself to be and what the Federalists/Founding Fathers were. The word has gone through various stages of evolution and several usurpations over the years.

Alright ill give you Jefferson, But we still got the Washington. To me hes all that matters. Besides, you guys can post what you want, just dont become disespectful and call me an ass monkey. thats the reason im pissed.

Ah, thank you! I love learning new words, which is why I had three dictionaries.

No problem. :)

And you're more than welcome to go over there and debate them as well. There is no locked or private threads here, and believe you me, ANYTHING on NationStates will start a debate. State the sky is blue and I can assure you that LG will come over and debate you on it.

So it's not runied by the standards of this forum, indeed, with the replies it seems to be off to a good start.

BTW, The Federalists were not conservatives by today's standards, they wanted a strong central goverment (small, but America wasn't that big). Jefferson leading the Democratic Republicans (today's Democratic party) pushed for his vision of a weak central goverment and an agracultural society.

In reality, neither party can claim to fully represent the vision of the founding fathers today nor can either the so called liberals or conservatives do so.


I would go back to the founding father's America. Indeed, be happy to. I have many issues with our government, but I love the constitution, even when it is interpreted poorly.

I love america we're the best all other nations are just jealous of us




<sarcasm>we should continue to take over countries like we did with iraq</sarcasm>

what a logical comment to make :D
*Heh* Debate happening on the NS Genral Forum? Disagreements? Oh no, that NEVER happens! Not here! Nope! ;)

lincoln was the first of the many Great republicans, i say many and not all because of the "hiccup" i call nixon

I would go back to the founding father's America. Indeed, be happy to. I have many issues with our government, but I love the constitution, even when it is interpreted poorly.
Actually I sometimes wonder if this isn't exactly what the founding fathers wanted. They designed a system that makes for a very long and lound argument at all times. They were so conserned with ANYONE gathering power and using it to remove liberty that the made a system where it is now impossible to do so, at least for long, because to takes too damn long to change anything!

I hate people who bash other countries! I love the US too. But I have been cheating on it with Canada for most my life. :) Some idiots just like to make fun of other countries because they're idiots. Here's to the US!

and god Bless Canada.

I am the proud owner of a dual citizenship (ameriacn born, living in canada), and as my northern mate here America is great, and it has my respect 100%. But, being an American living in Canada I see a lot of Americans bashing Canada.

Not to mention Reagan...truely a great man, a visionary and a leader. His funeral truely was beautiful, but nothing can comare to the beauty that was in that mans heart.

lincoln was the first of the many Great republicans, i say many and not all because of the "hiccup" i call nixon
You do realize that the Republicans back then are more like the Democrats of today than the Republicans of today? The two parties completely switched around, starting in the 40s and ending in the 60s.

I am the proud owner of a dual citizenship (ameriacn born, living in canada), and as my northern mate here America is great, and it has my respect 100%. But, being an American living in Canada I see a lot of Americans bashing Canada.


i've said it before and ill say it again, canada is americas little annoying brother, sure we make fun of him, but we love him all the same, but not in a gay way.

You do realize that the Republicans back then are more like the Democrats of today than the Republicans of today? The two parties completely switched around, starting in the 40s and ending in the 60s.


And Democrats are more like communists

I only make fun of Canada when Canadians make fun of America i.e. CanuckHeaven

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D

I love America more!

You heard it here first! I am a gun-loving baby shooting, flag shooting, soldier shooting, conservative shooting, christian shooting American!

And Democrats are more like nazis
:rolleyes:

Jesus Christ. Godwin's Law this early, and completely out of the blue?

edit: He changed it to communists. Still has fuck-all to do with what I said.

I love America more!

You heard it here first! I am a gun-loving baby shooting, flag shooting, soldier shooting, conservative shooting, christian shooting American!

That was almost amusing.

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D

oh yeah, well i love mexico! thats right, i am a salsa guzzling, tortilla eating, piniata beating, spanglish speaking, white guy living near the border and have found that, although mexico certainly isnt as good as the US constituitionally, its still a kick ass country!

by the way bush sucks...

I love America more!

You heard it here first! I am a gun-loving baby shooting, flag shooting, soldier shooting, conservative shooting, christian shooting American!

^^^^^^^

TERRORIST

oh yeah, well i love mexico! thats right, i am a salsa guzzling, tortilla eating, piniata beating, spanglish speaking, white guy living near the border and have found that, although mexico certainly isnt as good as the US constituitionally, its still a kick ass country!

by the way bush sucks...

Just don't drink the water.

I love America more!

You heard it here first! I am a gun-loving baby shooting, flag shooting, soldier shooting, conservative shooting, christian shooting American!

That makes you a terrible person, potentially a terrorist (soldier shooting) and certainly not a patriot (no patriot would shoot his own soldiers or flag).Love it or leave it, go to a country where theyde kill you for saying that, then we'll see how much of America you take for granted.

i've said it before and ill say it again, canada is americas little annoying brother, sure we make fun of him, but we love him all the same, but not in a gay way.

Thats good to know but a little respect wouldn't hurt. Believe it or not but Canada is a great nation and has had it's moments.

BTW I have no problem with letting the man make the living, and staying at home taking care of the kids, because I think that is an AWESOME role for a woman to have. And don't you dare tell me I'm lesser for it.

Besides I bake great cookies.

if only there were more women like you, our country could return to the good eras of the 50's and early 60's. where people were patriotic all the time.

American cookies are the best.

oh yeah, well i love mexico! thats right, i am a salsa guzzling, tortilla eating, piniata beating, spanglish speaking, white guy living near the border and have found that, although mexico certainly isnt as good as the US constituitionally, its still a kick ass country!

by the way bush sucks...


shouldnt you get back to your flag burning and your in the wrong thread

And the flames begin. Jesus fucking Christ get a sense of humor. Ever heard of sarcasm?

And the flames begin. Jesus fucking Christ get a sense of humor. Ever heard of sarcasm?

wow buddy ill ask you not to take the lord's name in vain not all of us wish to go to hell like you

shouldnt you get back to your flag burning and your in the wrong thread

I see where he's coming from, he does like America, but he like Mexico more. Not quite they flag burning type in my opinion. Though he could have put the Bush thing a bit nicer.

wow buddy ill ask you not to take the lord's name in vain not all of us wish to go to hell like you liberals
And the flames continue ...

wow buddy ill ask you not to take the lord's name in vain not all of us wish to go to hell like you
The Mosiac laws don't apply to me. I can take your god's name in vain all I want.

And the flames continue ...
FLAME-ON

The Mosiac laws don't apply to me. I can take your god's name in vain all I want.


Under your theory i can flame you all i want, i may pay in the short run, but you'll go to hell

shouldnt you get back to your flag burning and your in the wrong thread

what the hell is your problem? its just a joke dude calm down. i love the US i just think bush is a moron and i happen to have a certain attatchment to mexico cuz i've lived next to the border my whole life. dammit man.

what the hell is your problem? its just a joke dude calm down. i love the US i just think bush is a moron and i happen to have a certain attatchment to mexico cuz i've lived next to the border my whole life. dammit man.


Yeah as if clinton was einstein

Under your theory i can flame you all i want, i may pay in the short run, but you'll go to hell
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

what the hell is your problem? its just a joke dude calm down. i love the US i just think bush is a moron and i happen to have a certain attatchment to mexico cuz i've lived next to the border my whole life. dammit man.
where, may I ask, next to the border?

Yeah as if clinton was einstein

remind me, when did i mention clinton?

remind me, when did i mention clinton?
He's just trolling again. Best idea is to ignore him.

where, may I ask, next to the border?

tucson AZ. not right next to the border, but its only an hours drive away.

Yeah as if clinton was einstein
The world isn't black and white. Just because one doesn't like the Shrub doesn't mean they like Clinton. I myself like neither.

C'mon, guys, calm down. Equating liberals with "America haters" and Democrats with Nazis/communists and saying that anyone who prefers other countries is a flag-burning thread-crasher is an itty wee bit extreme, don't you think?

Can't you love the U.S. without hating half of its citizens?

The world isn't black and white. Just because one doesn't like the Shrub doesn't mean they like Clinton. I myself like neither.
Hes the commander in chief and at least deserves your respect. He has a name and it is PRESIDENT BUSH. You should refer to him as such.

Well, thats it for me, its been great.

That makes you a terrible person, potentially a terrorist (soldier shooting) and certainly not a patriot (no patriot would shoot his own soldiers or flag).Love it or leave it, go to a country where theyde kill you for saying that, then we'll see how much of America you take for granted.

La la la la la suck on my patriotic flag baby.

I live in Australia and therefore don't care about you. *plays you a little ditty on the zooozaphone.

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D


I love America too. It's one of the free-est countries in the world. I just hate its current leadership.

Just don't drink the water.

very true. montezumas revenge is nasty

Hes the commander in chief and at least deserves your respect.
I only respect someone who deserves it. The Shrub hasn't.

Hes the commander in chief and at least deserves your respect. He has a name and it is PRESIDENT BUSH. You should refer to him as such.

Well, thats it for me, its been great.

Shrubsy. Shrubsville. Bushy McBush Bush. Primesident Blush.

That was almost amusing.

You find murder amusing. There's a patriot. I salute thee!

Shrubsy. Shrubsville. Bushy McBush Bush. Primesident Blush.



You find murder amusing. There's a patriot. I salute thee!


sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
n.

1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
3. The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.

I'm an American but more than that I'm a world citizen - so God Bless the World and ALL who inhabit it.

I love America but I have respect for others too. I don't need to wave a flag to show love for my country - I show my love by fighting for the betterment of all, not just the select few that make enough money to buy a house (or several homes and a yacht).

I'm not a nationalist who would be so ignorant as to call the United States the greatest country on Earth because I have the courage to open my eyes and see that everything (and more depending on what you are looking for in a country) we have here can be had elsewhere.

I have an independent mind and do not need to follow any party line. I don't have to support the war to be supportive of the troops. I never wanted to send our troops off to die in a senseless war anyway. Anyone who was for it, good for you, thanks for supporting the possibility of harm coming to my friends and family members in the military over a "maybe", when there were and still are more important matters at hand. This independent mind understands that you are not anti-American if you have an opinion that differs from the Presidents; it understands that true patriotism is not blind acceptance of whatever you are told by whomever is in power.

Thanks for takign the time to start a thread for people who love their country and give a place to share the reasons they are proud of themselves.

Hmm, can I invite you all to come to Nagano this winter? I'll lock you all in a room for three months. I figure with the flames generated by some of the debaters on this thread, I could keep my house nice and tosty this time and your airfare to Japan would be cheaper than the heating bill.

sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
n.

1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
2. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
3. The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.

I-know (P) Pronunciation key (Duh)

1. I was extending my witter banter
2. Duh.
3. I was being sarcastic again. Or is there like a token limit?

tucson AZ. not right next to the border, but its only an hours drive away.
OMG! where in Tucson?

I-know (P) Pronunciation key (Duh)

1. I was extending my witter banter
2. Duh.
3. I was being sarcastic again. Or is there like a token limit?

I used the only one.

I used the only one.
You selfish dung head.

You selfish dung head.


You're german aren't you?

You're german aren't you?

Only if you want me to ;)

Oh dear it seems I've hi-jacked another crappy thread *creeps away laughing manically

Only if you want me to ;)

Oh dear it seems I've hi-jacked another crappy thread *creeps away laughing manically

Just curious, you said witter.

Well the flames have started.

Well, I am a liberal. I love America, but I don't love our current government, and I hate Bush. And waving a flag does not make you a patriot. Sorry. There's a difference between a nationalist and a patriot. I think most conservatives confuse the two.

when a patriot sees his country doing something that is not good, something which could have disastrous results (like the war in Iraq) the patriot will speak out and dissent, and try to stop his country from jumping over the cliff. That's love for your country. The nationalist, on the other hand, will follow their country right over the cliff without even thinking twice about it...or even once.

There's a difference between patriotism and blind nationalism. I really wish the conservatives would quit mistaking the two. One can be liberal and still be a patriot. One can still love this country and not like Bush.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the ad hominem attacks from the right that if you don't stand lock, stock, and barrel behind Bush then you are an "America-hater" or that you are a "terrorist-lover" or that you are "giving aid and comfort to the terrorists" because you publicaly disagree with Bush's policies.

This is supposed to be a democracy, and not everyone is going to agree. I just wish those that don't agree with my side would quit hurling ad hominem hateful and hurtful attacks like they do.

I deeply love my country. I just hate the way it is currently being run (into the ground!)

I do not like guns, I'm in favor of gun-control legislation (I don't want people who shouldn't have guns having easy access to them) I am pro-choice, I don't think that you show your patriotism by simply waving a piece of cloth...you show your patriotism by always trying to do what is best for your country, even if it is unpopular...and by dissenting when your country is doing things that you feel are wrong, you are showing more patriotism than you are by blindly cheering and waving a bit of cloth (though I do want to see our flag respected) I support the military, to a point...I do not support the brass, because I think they lied us into a war that they wanted, which has had disastrous results (1,800 American soldiers dead, terrorism at an all-time high, hundreds of thousands of our servicepeople sent into harm's way with inadequate supplies) I do not support the current military policy, I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and gotten Bin Laden. Saddam was no threat to us, and the top brass knew it.

And, by the way...i'm a liberal...and I love the U.S.A. At least, the U.S.A. that was...before Bush! Please, God, give me my country back!!

(dons Kevlar vest waiting for the ad hominem attacks from conservatives...)
Told ya so!

Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal! :eek:

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!
Once again, I told ya so!

Could you point out exactly what was wrong with Lyrics post please?

Could you point out exactly what was wrong with Lyrics post please?
He's just so intent on pointing out liberal flame/flamebait even though much more of it has been thrown by the conservatives and that nearly every one of his posts on NS qualifies for trolling/flaming/flamebait.

I love the world.

(Okay, not really, but you should be able to get what I'm trying to say.)

Originally Posted by Achtung 45
Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal!

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!

And they call us "Hate Mongers". We love you anyway Achtung.

I love the world.

(Okay, not really, but you should be able to get what I'm trying to say.)

So do I and I know exactly what you mean. I said that a few posts ago actually.

He's just so intent on pointing out liberal flame/flamebait even though much more of it has been thrown by the conservatives and that nearly every one of his posts on NS qualifies for trolling/flaming/flamebait.


Well I hope she at least washes her hair. I'm starting to smell that head cheese too.

Originally Posted by Achtung 45
Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal!

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!

And they call us "Hate Mongers". We love you anyway Achtung.
It's funny how I say one mild flaming line, and it goes down as "those liberals are mean!" Even though I go back and find at least three flamage posts by conservatives and it gets shrugged off. I guess we are just used to seeing conservatives attack liberals way more than the other way around. :p

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D Wow, these are all of the things I am too. I also love God.

I love America, too.

No other nation in the world provides so much humour without meaning to.

What non-Americans constantly hear is that the USA is the greatest country in the world. What we never hear is an articulation of why this might be the case. The same goes for this thread. I love America because they help people and provide aid? That goes for every other first and second world country in the world as well (yes, there are other countries).

But most of all, I love America because it treats its ever-diminishing intelligent population with utter contempt, and allows its half-wits to speak on its behalf.

Hilarious stuff.

It's funny how I say one mild flaming line, and it goes down as "those liberals are mean!" Even though I go back and find at least three flamage posts by conservatives and it gets shrugged off. I guess we are just used to seeing conservatives attack liberals way more than the other way around. :p I'm a nice conservative and don't call liberals names. "Can't we all just get along?"

It's funny how I say one mild flaming line, and it goes down as "those liberals are mean!" Even though I go back and find at least three flamage posts by conservatives and it gets shrugged off. I guess we are just used to seeing conservatives attack liberals way more than the other way around. :p


I think it's just the hardliners really. I think the discussion with teh sensible coservatives on the Rollign Stones thread was good for the most part when the flamers weren't flaming away.

I'm a nice conservative and don't call liberals names. "Can't we all just get along?"

NO! We must have a slap-fight to the death! :p

"Patriotism is supporting your country always, and supporting your government when they deserve it."
--Mark Twain

I love American ideals.

I hate most of modern American actions.

I believe the reason Iraq is so hectic now is because of our presence; all the insane actions they are taking are solely to get us out of there, so logically, once we pull out, they should wind down significantly.

I don't think abortions are a good thing, but banning them would cause unprecedented chaos.

I think gun control is not good, because we need a way to overthrow our government if it becomes tyrranical, which it may become any day now at the rate we're going.

I think everyone has the right to live, and conversely, the right to die.

I believe America should step back and re-evaluate itself, and start to think whether this is the country that our Founders wanted.

I love America, too.

No other nation in the world provides so much humour without meaning to.

What non-Americans constantly hear is that the USA is the greatest country in the world. What we never hear is an articulation of why this might be the case. The same goes for this thread. I love America because they help people and provide aid? That goes for every other first and second world country in the world as well (yes, there are other countries).

But most of all, I love America because it treats its ever-diminishing intelligent population with utter contempt, and allows its half-wits to speak on its behalf.

Hilarious stuff. Wow, if I treated our "ever diminishing" intelligent population with utter contempt, I'd hate both of my parents, my spouse and our children. My dad has a Doctorate in Electrical Engineering, my mom a Master's degree in Nursing, my husband has a Master's in Industrial Engineering, our daughter has a Master's in Theology, and our son is working on his Doctorate in Computer Science. And now I'm contemplating going back to school to get a degree in Military History.

I hope if a way to bring back the dead is ever discovered, the founding fathers will be brought back. They'd kick the asses of today's American politicans.

"Patriotism is supporting your country always, and supporting your government when they deserve it."
--Mark Twain

I love American ideals.

I hate most of modern American actions.

I believe the reason Iraq is so hectic now is because of our presence; all the insane actions they are taking are solely to get us out of there, so logically, once we pull out, they should wind down significantly.

I don't think abortions are a good thing, but banning them would cause unprecedented chaos.

I think gun control is not good, because we need a way to overthrow our government if it becomes tyrranical, which it may become any day now at the rate we're going.

I think everyone has the right to live, and conversely, the right to die.

I believe America should step back and re-evaluate itself, and start to think whether this is the country that our Founders wanted.

Don't confuse us by being sensible. You are either with us or against us. And if you're atheist you can not even be considered a citizen. So there. :fluffle: I mean *slap-fight to the death*

I'm a nice conservative and don't call liberals names. "Can't we all just get along?"
And I'm a liberal who usually doesn't call conservatives names (only when I get really pissed off and then it's stuff like "ass monkey" not the hardcore flamage :p ). And I don't understand why we can't get along. Then I look at people like Bill O' Reilly and say "oh yeah." But seriously, what's so funny about peace, love and understanding?

Since we seem to like quoting Twain. "Sacred cows make the best hamburger" ~ Mark Twain

And I'm a liberal who usually doesn't call conservatives names (only when I get really pissed off and then it's stuff like "ass monkey" not the hardcore flamage :p ). And I don't understand why we can't get along. Then I look at people like Bill O' Reilly and say "oh yeah." But seriously, what's so funny about peace, love and understanding? O'Reilly is a tool

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D

I love America, yet hate God. God is out to destroy America and I will stop him one way or another. I swear, if that crazy old bastard fucks with America one more time, we should bomb his holy ass.

I love America, yet hate God. God is out to destroy America and I will stop him one way or another. I swear, if that crazy old bastard fucks with America one more time, we should bomb his holy ass.

ready the holy hand grenade!

"Patriotism is supporting your country always, and supporting your government when they deserve it."
--Mark Twain

I love American ideals.

I hate most of modern American actions.

I believe the reason Iraq is so hectic now is because of our presence; all the insane actions they are taking are solely to get us out of there, so logically, once we pull out, they should wind down significantly.

I don't think abortions are a good thing, but banning them would cause unprecedented chaos.

I think gun control is not good, because we need a way to overthrow our government if it becomes tyrranical, which it may become any day now at the rate we're going.

I think everyone has the right to live, and conversely, the right to die.

I believe America should step back and re-evaluate itself, and start to think whether this is the country that our Founders wanted. It is very hard to know what our country's founders wanted. THEY ARE DEAD.

I think it's just the hardliners really. I think the discussion with teh sensible coservatives on the Rollign Stones thread was good for the most part when the flamers weren't flaming away.
Yeah, how did that get so off topic? I was there but I don't remember :( . Oh yeah, it was that dork monger who was like "billy joe is a libertarian" though it had nothing to do with anything. Then it just got stupid and is now being buried. :p

I hope if a way to bring back the dead is ever discovered, the founding fathers will be brought back. They'd kick the asses of today's American politicans. You should read some history about our founding fathers. They were very vicious when it came to politics.

It is very hard to know what our country's founders wanted. THEY ARE DEAD.


yes but they left secret video tape recordings. I have them here somewhere. Shit I taped over them with The Daily Show.

It is very hard to know what our country's founders wanted. THEY ARE DEAD.
Then how did TJ write the forward in America: The Book? :D

yes but they left secret video tape recording. I have them here somewhere. Shit I taped over them with The Daily Show.
lol we're psychic! How did we both quote the same thing with reference to the Daily Show at the same time?

Yeah, how did that get so off topic? I was there but I don't remember :( . Oh yeah, it was that dork monger who was like "billy joe is a libertarian" though it had nothing to do with anything. Then it just got stupid and is now being buried. :p


it pretty much went off topic on the first page when i suggested people post lyrics of their favorite protest and anti-war songs. lol

my bad

lol we're psychic! How did we both quote the same thing with reference to the Daily Show at the same time?

:D Look out your window. :eek:

it pretty much went off topic on the first page when i suggested people post lyrics of their favorite protest and anti-war songs. lol

my bad
oh, well it went even further downhill after I got into that libertarian argument, lol

I realize it is very late in the conversation for this but a quick history lesson is in order methinks. The republican model that the founding fathers were so quick to embrace was essentially a couple important points. A constitution; the protection of human rights in the constitution means that even if the system goes to hell there should be a safety net.

The founding fathers also did not define freedom in the action of it. Having the ability to do things a certain way i.e. free of interference is not in and of itself freedom (according to the founding fathers). To be free by their definition one needed to be free from the fear of influence. This is where republicanism gave way to liberalism. A previous poster said Jefferson supported an agrarian movement and while he did it was not because they were farmers that he did it. These men were independent land owners who had enough capital and resources to sustain themselves. These men could then make unbiased decisions at the polling stations. These men kept sheep for wool that their wives spun into textiles. These people relied on no one ever. As the industrial revolution took hold people began to live in the cities and be dependant on the factory owner for employment. This violated the republican ideal immensely because now these men voted in the manner which guaranteed their own employment. I think in the modern USA you’d be hard pressed to find and ‘Republicans’ as far as the founding fathers were concerned.

Liberalism, or in more contemporary terms, neo-liberalism gives rise to capitalism and the idea that you are personally responsible for your own lot in life. This advocates small government, as apposed to the past where government divvied out plots of land, it also business owners to all but own a person via debt, employment, or what have you. Only under liberalism can I make you compromise your moral for cash. Anyone played the game what would you do for a million dollars? This is a purely neo-liberal mindset as a republican, in the purest sense, would not have any need to consider something like that.

As for small government under republicanism? It was restricted government that interested them. They were terrified of government having power over people. Direct social issues that lead to big government created disagreements between the founding fathers. The thought that anyone political party would have sway in the white house, congress, and the senate would appall a founding father I think. In those days parties were temporary measures, a rally to a cause. To be truly republican President would have to try and force a law saying that no political party can exist in all three branches of government.

Sorry my American history course just shit onto my monitor.

And as for liberals coming to Canada? We have enough problems in places like Cape Breton trying to keep the spruce bud worm population down with all those draft dodging ex-hippies from the Vietnam era living there. (I joke you want to send more well educated people up here and maybe reverse the brain drain I’m all for it.)

The fight between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson got very vicious. It included libel, slander and just general trying to destroy each other in the press. It was ugly.

:D Look out your window. :eek:
OH MY GOD!!! IT'S A MAN DRESSED UP IN A BURRITO COSTUME RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES!!! :eek:

"It is very hard to know what our country's founders wanted. THEY ARE DEAD."

Yeah, gosh! how will we ever know? I mean it's not like they wrote anything down like, oh, I don't know, A CONSTITUTION? maybe? have you guys ever heard of that sort of craziness?

OH MY GOD!!! IT'S A MAN DRESSED UP IN A BURRITO COSTUME RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES!!! :eek:


*waves*

The fight between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson got very vicious. It included libel, slander and just general trying to destroy each other in the press. It was ugly.
lol, who was the guy that kept hating on Calhoun for like all 190 years Calhoun was in politics? I'm pretty sure there was a vendetta between this guy and Calhoun...man that was a long time ago! (me studying it, that is :p )

"It is very hard to know what our country's founders wanted. THEY ARE DEAD."

Yeah, gosh! how will we ever know? I mean it's not like they wrote anything down like, oh, I don't know, A CONSTITUTION? maybe? have you guys ever heard of that sort of craziness?

You girls! Always wanting to have fun. Welcome to NS Cindy!

"It is very hard to know what our country's founders wanted. THEY ARE DEAD."

Yeah, gosh! how will we ever know? I mean it's not like they wrote anything down like, oh, I don't know, A CONSTITUTION? maybe? have you guys ever heard of that sort of craziness? Yes, but whose interpretation are we to believe?

Yes, but whose interpretation are we to believe?

Mine! Case closed.

*waves*
HI!!!
Seriously, there's this guy and in this thread i found out that he lives in my town!!! OMG!!! And it's small <1,000,000 people! But he's offline now :( .

lol, who was the guy that kept hating on Calhoun for like all 190 years Calhoun was in politics? I'm pretty sure there was a vendetta between this guy and Calhoun...man that was a long time ago! (me studying it, that is :p ) Well Calhoun was VP under Andrew Jackson and they didn't see eye to eye. Jackson wanted to hang him and his groupies for treason because of their political views. He also had major problems with Daniel Webster.

Dang. It's after 1:00am here. I have to get up in the morning or later this morning.

well lets see i know its late too but i want to comment first on the very first post here...baby saving? ummm how do you save babies? with cruise missiles in civilian sectors? i wonder how that saves babies but since there is nothing but "liberal" media they must be keeping the secret baby saving devices in the cruise missiles out of the news. One thing i hate, liberal media uhh 90% of the media is owned by one ted turner...a card carrying republican ^.^. Now freedom and founding fathers err you guys know they kept slaves and plantations full of marijuana right, so right there we have some problems with your current gov. Now i want you to know its not your fault, its a sad truth but neither USA nor USSR won the cold war, you both went broke. Only difference is that the USA sold shares of its country to saudi arabians and chinese people till they had money again. To put it mildly, the Bush government is funded by the saudi princes as is there industrial base [bush is one of the biggest oil tycoons in the US] now seeing as how big oil is one of your majour industries one of the biggest actually, and it is being owned by the saudi's doesnt that mean uhh the US is run by the...Saudi's? Now the point? where is your freedom if you literally dont even run your own country. Where is the pride in what you do when the country would be in worse shape then russia if it wasnt bought out by its bloody enemies. And how can the founding fathers be so egalitarian when they kept slaves [all for the MJ here lol]


Basically there isnt alot to be proud of in the US right now, not till the Bush gov and its neo con compatriots are removed so once again you can start paying off that massively massive debt of yours, before the chinese [who have 350 million people in the middle class buying shares in the US] start buying more Euros then they already have [the current economic crisis is in part due to war in Iraq and the Euro's growing popularity in asia, particularly china which is devaluing the American dollar by more and more every day]You got ALOT more wrong with your country then you think. Every other modern nation is alot better off, and alot more free, well ok maybe except france, though its a funny note the US sends terrorists to be interrogated in france cause they have harsher laws against terrorism and more lax laws about interrogating them. So go ahead and support this ideal, but think of this, You lost the Vietnam war, 50000 casualties in nearly 15 years, 15 000 dead. In iraq in 1 and a half years you have 1900 dead. and over 6000+ wounded totalling over 8000 casualties at least. The Neo cons are leading you to defeat as you were led to defeat in vietnam by idiotic policies. Bush is attempting to change things, like the 2 term run limit. Dont let him, take the word of a neutral observer [my girl lives in NY] and trust me, there are alot of really really good things about the states, its one of two nations in the world that is half way understanding, but there is alot that is bad you need to fix. Dont believe the Right wing media and propaganda, look things up for yourself and try to improve your country. That is what tyrants want, for lax vigilance in protecting your freedoms, for a sense of public superiority and political lethargy, and the shirking of our civil obligations. America right now is teetering towards either collapse or Empire. It is at a stage right now, with the rhetoric and attempts of the neo cons to destroy all dissent that is remarkably similar to the roman republics fall in to empire...or the vow that one Adolf Shicklegruber, more commonely known as Adolf hitler to destroy all other political parties, one state one party one people. Be careful please, for everyone.

Good night/morning all. I STILL LOVE MY COUNTRY.

Well Calhoun was VP under Andrew Jackson and they didn't see eye to eye. Jackson wanted to hang him and his groupies for treason because of their political views. He also had major problems with Daniel Webster.
Ah yes, Webster!

Ah yes, Webster!

He was cute but I liked Gary Coleman better.

well lets see i know its late too but i want to comment first on the very first post here...baby saving? ummm how do you save babies? with cruise missiles in civilian sectors? i wonder how that saves babies but since there is nothing but "liberal" media they must be keeping the secret baby saving devices in the cruise missiles out of the news. One thing i hate, liberal media uhh 90% of the media is owned by one ted turner...a card carrying republican ^.^. Now freedom and founding fathers err you guys know they kept slaves and plantations full of marijuana right, so right there we have some problems with your current gov. Now i want you to know its not your fault, its a sad truth but neither USA nor USSR won the cold war, you both went broke. Only difference is that the USA sold shares of its country to saudi arabians and chinese people till they had money again. To put it mildly, the Bush government is funded by the saudi princes as is there industrial base [bush is one of the biggest oil tycoons in the US] now seeing as how big oil is one of your majour industries one of the biggest actually, and it is being owned by the saudi's doesnt that mean uhh the US is run by the...Saudi's? Now the point? where is your freedom if you literally dont even run your own country. Where is the pride in what you do when the country would be in worse shape then russia if it wasnt bought out by its bloody enemies. And how can the founding fathers be so egalitarian when they kept slaves [all for the MJ here lol]


Basically there isnt alot to be proud of in the US right now, not till the Bush gov and its neo con compatriots are removed so once again you can start paying off that massively massive debt of yours, before the chinese [who have 350 million people in the middle class buying shares in the US] start buying more Euros then they already have [the current economic crisis is in part due to war in Iraq and the Euro's growing popularity in asia, particularly china which is devaluing the American dollar by more and more every day]You got ALOT more wrong with your country then you think. Every other modern nation is alot better off, and alot more free, well ok maybe except france, though its a funny note the US sends terrorists to be interrogated in france cause they have harsher laws against terrorism and more lax laws about interrogating them. So go ahead and support this ideal, but think of this, You lost the Vietnam war, 50000 casualties in nearly 15 years, 15 000 dead. In iraq in 1 and a half years you have 1900 dead. and over 6000+ wounded totalling over 8000 casualties at least. The Neo cons are leading you to defeat as you were led to defeat in vietnam by idiotic policies. Bush is attempting to change things, like the 2 term run limit. Dont let him, take the word of a neutral observer [my girl lives in NY] and trust me, there are alot of really really good things about the states, its one of two nations in the world that is half way understanding, but there is alot that is bad you need to fix. Dont believe the Right wing media and propaganda, look things up for yourself and try to improve your country. That is what tyrants want, for lax vigilance in protecting your freedoms, for a sense of public superiority and political lethargy, and the shirking of our civil obligations. America right now is teetering towards either collapse or Empire. It is at a stage right now, with the rhetoric and attempts of the neo cons to destroy all dissent that is remarkably similar to the roman republics fall in to empire...or the vow that one Adolf Shicklegruber, more commonely known as Adolf hitler to destroy all other political parties, one state one party one people. Be careful please, for everyone. Are you my brother-in-law? The card carrying ACLU lawyer? You must be.

Well i should hope in a "free and just" society that the ACLU would not be disrespected. And am i your brother? i should hope not. Whats wrong with what i said in all honesty, its a fair observation, or should i go on about good things about america. Ok why not. Bill clinton was one of the greatest world leaders in the last 50 years, bar none. He kept america rich when it should have been poor by doing alot of really good things. He also kept Al qeada from doing what they did on 9/11 much sooner, after all it was the bush government that drastically reduced funding and priority on stopping terrorists.


Hmmm what else, oh yes Americans are normally very tolerant people, at least in the cities and blue states, i am not sure about the other states myself. Also americans like to donate to charities and help other people which is very true and i wouldnt argue it. That was not a big ol attack on the US honestly. Ok lets put it this way, do you think the nazi's were a good thing? do you think Tojo japan was a good thing? that is the way you are headed right now, and only someone who never learned the cause and effect of WW II would deny argue or get angry over it. I am not saying become a lefty, i am not left wing...believe it or not i am centrist. However i believe in the ideas and rights put forth in the bill of rights, and american constitution. If you did too you may not be so quick to fanatically choose one political spectrum or another and attempt to destroy the other side [this goes for lefties too, honestly i truly dislike rabid lefties with a passion] you may take a look and say hmm maybe i should look at the big picture of whats going on in the world and my nation, and not just what the propaganda machine tells you.

Oh and i still want to know where they are hiding the baby saving devices in the cruise missiles and smart bombs, i want equipment specs and pentagon papers on their effectiveness lol

ps. This is a joke by the way to bring some levity..if you cant laugh at that well lol i dunno

Well i should hope in a "free and just" society that the ACLU would not be disrespected. And am i your brother? i should hope not. Whats wrong with what i said in all honesty, its a fair observation, or should i go on about good things about america. Ok why not. Bill clinton was one of the greatest world leaders in the last 50 years, bar none. He kept america rich when it should have been poor by doing alot of really good things. He also kept Al qeada from doing what they did on 9/11 much sooner, after all it was the bush government that drastically reduced funding and priority on stopping terrorists.


Hmmm what else, oh yes Americans are normally very tolerant people, at least in the cities and blue states, i am not sure about the other states myself. Also americans like to donate to charities and help other people which is very true and i wouldnt argue it. That was not a big ol attack on the US honestly. Ok lets put it this way, do you think the nazi's were a good thing? do you think Tojo japan was a good thing? that is the way you are headed right now, and only someone who never learned the cause and effect of WW II would deny argue or get angry over it. I am not saying become a lefty, i am not left wing...believe it or not i am centrist. However i believe in the ideas and rights put forth in the bill of rights, and american constitution. If you did too you may not be so quick to fanatically choose one political spectrum or another and attempt to destroy the other side [this goes for lefties too, honestly i truly dislike rabid lefties with a passion] you may take a look and say hmm maybe i should look at the big picture of whats going on in the world and my nation, and not just what the propaganda machine tells you. Too bad you're not my brother-in-law, he's a pretty cool guy. I object to some of the things the ACLU gets into, not all. As for Clinton, he may have been a great president (though morally bankrupt), but he had two oportunities to have bin Laden. He was offered up basically on a silver platter. Now I realize that that wouldn't have stopped terrorism, but it could have prevented 9/11. It may not have stopped it from happening forever, because there is a lot of the world that hates us. I dislike rabid lefties and neo cons alike. Yes, I lean right, but I'd rather listen to Glenn Beck than Rush. Sometimes I just need to be entertained rather than preached to. Glenn Beck is talking less and less about politics and more about right and wrong. Good night. It was good to hear your points.

Oh and i still want to know where they are hiding the baby saving devices in the cruise missiles and smart bombs, i want equipment specs and pentagon papers on their effectiveness lol

ps. This is a joke by the way to bring some levity..if you cant laugh at that well lol i dunno I'll send over those specs and pentagon papers by "special" courier ;)

but he had two oportunities to have bin Laden. He was offered up basically on a silver platter.
No. He didn't. The man who claimed to know where bin Laden was had no ties to any government, and was later shown to have been lying. Clinton tried to get bin Laden, but, as the informant was lying, he could not.

I can't believe that anyone still lives who believes the "Clinton had a chance to catch bin Laden" bullshit anymore.

I love the world.

(Okay, not really, but you should be able to get what I'm trying to say.)

I don't love the world. I love America. I could even go as far to say I love Britain and the Vatican, however, I think that's the extent for my world love.

PRO ISOLATIONISM

Did you know that many school kids mishear that and go through life thinking that it's "Through the night with a light from a bulb"?

I know for the longest time I thought 'My Country Tis of Thee' went "Land where my father died, land where the pilgrims cried" and wondered why we had to sing such a grim song.

You ever wonder how that impacted your psyche? I used to go to sleep at night worried that the next thing I saw was going to be St. Peter because of the following (mandatory) prayer:

Now I lay me down to sleep,
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
If I should die before I wake,
I pray the Lord my soul to take.

Who said anything about dying in your sleep?!
Do you know something I don't?!
Why do you keep taking me to doctor so much?

No wonder I spent ten years in analysis. (j/k) :D

This thread is meant for patriotic citizens who love america, you others have your own thread. I believe its called Im a Communist or, oh yes, its Anti Americanism. Go there, then move to France. Love it or leave it pal
I see you picked your Naton State name wisely? Soooo if anyone should disagree with you, they are communists and should move to France?

And why France?

We give more money in foreign aide than some nations gdp.

You also exploit more than all other nations and consume more than all other nations.

You also exploit more than all other nations and consume more than all other nations.

We rock the hardest, too. That takes a lot of energy!

"God Bless America. Land that I love. Stand beside her, and guide her, through the night with the light from above. From the moutains, to the prairies, to the oceans white with foam! God bless America, my home sweet home"

Good one! I like this one better though...

" O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!"

For every "wrong" you can find in this country, you can find two "rights". There's not many nations out there you can say that about, and I'm proud to live in one of the few that you can.

I don't plan on living here forever, as there is too much out there in the world that I still want to see. Wherever I go, however, there will always be a land that I will call home.

God Bless the USA...and everyone else! :)

I love America so much it created a split personality in my brains and now I'm forced to live in Mexico

I love America so much it created a split personality in my brains and now I'm forced to live in Mexico

Friggin' NAFTA. Hang in there, Dude.

:headbang: WATCH ME THROW UP
if you want over people to like you, stop being so AMERICAN

:headbang: WATCH ME THROW UP
if you want over people to like you, stop being so AMERICANhttp://forums.jolt.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=9417790#
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:headbang: WATCH ME THROW UP
if you want over people to like you, stop being so AMERICAN

Jeez...smoke a joint or something...you need to relax. :)

Good for you i suppose it is importent to love where you come from


I LOVE AUSTRALIA

So do you love the government, all the population, the dirt that extends to your borders, the flag, or all of the above?
That is damn fine dirt we got!

It's funny, but it's probable that most of the ones who assert that "America is the greatest country in the world" and other Nazi-esque views about how Americans are the master race haven't even left their own country.

Wow, it's not flaming yet. Is there something wrong, some fever taken all the trolls?

I don't love America. But that's okay, because I don't live in America. I live in the UK, and I'm loyal to the UK and Ireland, although I loathe the sodding tourists who feck up Greek cities at night. I'm sure that sort of thing ought to be classed as petty treason.
The British don't have much time for anti-Americanism, too busy bashing the Frogs. :)

Remember people, love of the country does not equal love of the government.

We give more money in foreign aide than some nations gdp.

Thats because those nations GDP are powerless because of undercutting due to unfair trade rules.

Wow, it's not flaming yet. Is there something wrong, some fever taken all the trolls?

I don't love America. But that's okay, because I don't live in America. I live in the UK, and I'm loyal to the UK and Ireland, although I loathe the sodding tourists who feck up Greek cities at night. I'm sure that sort of thing ought to be classed as petty treason.
The British don't have much time for anti-Americanism, too busy bashing the Frogs. :)

Remember people, love of the country does not equal love of the government.

*throws own sentiments as a citizen of the UK crown behind Liskeinland*

*yawns*

Yes dear, your penis is larger than everybody else's. Congratulations.

*rolls over, goes back to sleep*

*throws own sentiments as a citizen of the UK crown behind Liskeinland*
Thank you. You're going in my signature. Except I'm not a subject of the UK Crown, I'm a citizen of the red-haired, celtic, woad-painted Irish Republic!

Well, I am a liberal. I love America, but I don't love our current government, and I hate Bush. And waving a flag does not make you a patriot. Sorry. There's a difference between a nationalist and a patriot. I think most conservatives confuse the two.

when a patriot sees his country doing something that is not good, something which could have disastrous results (like the war in Iraq) the patriot will speak out and dissent, and try to stop his country from jumping over the cliff. That's love for your country. The nationalist, on the other hand, will follow their country right over the cliff without even thinking twice about it...or even once.

There's a difference between patriotism and blind nationalism. I really wish the conservatives would quit mistaking the two. One can be liberal and still be a patriot. One can still love this country and not like Bush.

I, for one, am sick and tired of the ad hominem attacks from the right that if you don't stand lock, stock, and barrel behind Bush then you are an "America-hater" or that you are a "terrorist-lover" or that you are "giving aid and comfort to the terrorists" because you publicaly disagree with Bush's policies.

This is supposed to be a democracy, and not everyone is going to agree. I just wish those that don't agree with my side would quit hurling ad hominem hateful and hurtful attacks like they do.

I deeply love my country. I just hate the way it is currently being run (into the ground!)

I do not like guns, I'm in favor of gun-control legislation (I don't want people who shouldn't have guns having easy access to them) I am pro-choice, I don't think that you show your patriotism by simply waving a piece of cloth...you show your patriotism by always trying to do what is best for your country, even if it is unpopular...and by dissenting when your country is doing things that you feel are wrong, you are showing more patriotism than you are by blindly cheering and waving a bit of cloth (though I do want to see our flag respected) I support the military, to a point...I do not support the brass, because I think they lied us into a war that they wanted, which has had disastrous results (1,800 American soldiers dead, terrorism at an all-time high, hundreds of thousands of our servicepeople sent into harm's way with inadequate supplies) I do not support the current military policy, I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and gotten Bin Laden. Saddam was no threat to us, and the top brass knew it.

And, by the way...i'm a liberal...and I love the U.S.A. At least, the U.S.A. that was...before Bush! Please, God, give me my country back!!

(dons Kevlar vest waiting for the ad hominem attacks from conservatives...)

Love of country does not equal love of government.
:( :mp5:

Actually, it's threads like this that frankly demand anti-American threads appear daily, in numbers.

Thank you. You're going in my signature. Except I'm not a subject of the UK Crown, I'm a citizen of the red-haired, celtic, woad-painted Irish Republic!


where does one purchase woad these days, I cant get on with B+Q matt paint anymore...

where does one purchase woad these days, I cant get on with B+Q matt paint anymore...
I think you get it from trees or something. I wouldn't know, I haven't used any… I prefer the British Empire uniform - not only is it bright red, so your enemies can see you from a mile away, but it has a large white cross on the chest as if to say "aim here"! Classic!

Good one! I like this one better though...

" O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!"

For every "wrong" you can find in this country, you can find two "rights". There's not many nations out there you can say that about, and I'm proud to live in one of the few that you can.

I don't plan on living here forever, as there is too much out there in the world that I still want to see. Wherever I go, however, there will always be a land that I will call home.

God Bless the USA...and everyone else! :)

Heat Hear. Well said Delator.

Actually, it's threads like this that frankly demand anti-American threads appear daily, in numbers.

And its threads like that that prompt threads like this. What goes around comes around.

Wow, it's not flaming yet. Is there something wrong, some fever taken all the trolls?

Nah, there were trolls. I managed to piss them off enough to make them leave. They sucked as trolls anyways.

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D

you're not politically correct! and you're probably uneducated! (or so a few lefties in the world would assume)

i am all of those things (well, i can't say i've saved any babies... have a weird pro-life-and-choice stance) as well.

And I love America. Keep it free-enterprise. Keep it free for us to profess our religion. Keep it free for us to own guns, so we may hunt, target-shoot, and protect ourselves (because when you get right down to it, the cops can't... cops are a reactionary force).

blah blah blah

i believe in my freedom so much that when others are stuck under the thumb of a despot, I want freedom for them too. And I love my freedom so much that I don't want to die just so that terrorists might walk free in my neighborhood -- IE, we (the vast, vast majority of Americans) must be protected to be able to enjoy our rights, to not be killed by the ultra-tiny minority or those who would terrorize us... their rights may be pre-empted so that ours may be saved.

and so on

where does one purchase woad these days, I cant get on with B+Q matt paint anymore...

was it the Picts or the Celts who wore woad?

I'm assuming that it was the Celts.

And that the Picts did the tattoo thing.
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Lyric
They didn't lie; they just didn't know. As for our casualty figures, 1800+ might seem like a lot but it's nothing next to what we've lost in other wars... not a drop in a bucket compared to Vietnam, for instance. And in Vietnam, we didn't really accomplish a whole lot. At least in Iraq we've deposed a rotten dictator, gotten the Iraqi people their first free vote in 50ish years, etc. They have a long road ahead to become a stable democratic country, but they have the chance to become one because of the US and its coalition.

you're not politically correct! and you're probably uneducated! (or so a few lefties in the world would assume)
I'm so completely ignorant, I haven't a thought of my own. I'm just a puppet.

i am all of those things (well, i can't say i've saved any babies... have a weird pro-life-and-choice stance) as well.
Remember that less than 1% of abortions are related to rape or incest (in the US)

And I love America. Keep it free-enterprise. Keep it free for us to profess our religion. Keep it free for us to own guns, so we may hunt, target-shoot, and protect ourselves (because when you get right down to it, the cops can't... cops are a reactionary force).
Amen.


blah blah blah

i believe in my freedom so much that when others are stuck under the thumb of a despot, I want freedom for them too. And I love my freedom so much that I don't want to die just so that terrorists might walk free in my neighborhood -- IE, we (the vast, vast majority of Americans) must be protected to be able to enjoy our rights, to not be killed by the ultra-tiny minority or those who would terrorize us... their rights may be pre-empted so that ours may be saved.

and so on

Preach on! Please, I do enjoy.

I love america more than any of you. Note to Liberals and America Haters: This is a thread purely for expressing your joy at living in the greatest country in the world. If you want to trash it, try the thread next door. If you want a debate, make a thread about a specific issue. Love it or leave it. I choose to love it. Did i mention how much America Rocks, well it does.

P.S. I LOVE AMERICA

"Love it or leave it" is the attitude of a nationalist...not a patriot. A patriot would welcome ideas to improve the land he loves, would encourage dialogue from those with a different viewpoint, and value them, instead of blindly following, like a lemming.

As much as it may hurt you...this country is not perfect. And if no one pointed out the imperfections, then nothing would ever get done to correct them. You think Jim Crow and segregation would have just disappeared out of the goodness of people's hearts, if not for courageous men (and patriots) who stood up and said, "NO! This is NOT what our country is supposed to stand for!! It goes against the very things that this country was founded upon, liberty and justice for all."

You think the Civil Right Act of 1964 or the Voting Rights Act would have happened if someone didn't point out the flaws in the system that made such laws necessary? You think poll taxes would have been eliminated if someone hadn't pointed out that they unfairly stopped poor people from voting?

And just as there were problems 40 years ago, that I'm using as examples...there are problems today which must be addressed. And the answer is not to bury your head in the sand and pretend they don't exist, and that, if you ignore them, they will go away. That is the action of a nationalist. A patriot always seeks to make his country an even better place, for more people...than he found it. A nationalist, on the other hand, thinks his country can do no wrong, and will bury his head in the sand, and ignore or scorn dissenters who point out things that are wrong.

They can't attack the message, because, deep down, they know the message is right. So they attack the messenger. And that is why liberals like me are now branded as "America-haters" as "commies" as "enemy combatants" as people who are "giving aid and comfort to the terrorists" and it really pisses me off that this attitude of Nationalism is being mistaken for patriotism.

We left? :rolleyes:

I assure you ma'am, there is a massive difference between the US leaving and the reporters leaving. The two are not the same.

EDIT:


Most of the troops left, because warmonger, oil-hungry Bush was more interested in Iraq than in Bin Laden. If we haven't all but left Afghanistan, then why are the Taliban regrouping, why have the warlords regained control of the entire country except Kabul? Presdient Karzai is often called the mayor of Kabul these days, because that is about as far as his rule actually extends, anymore...because we severely reduced troops in the area, so that we could go after Iraq's oil.

So do you love the government, all the population, the dirt that extends to your borders, the flag, or all of the above?

Nope. I'm sure he HATES liberals like me...he probably hates gay folks, too. He probably hates non-christian, non-white folks too, and thinks they all ought to leave this country. Most nationalists think that way, and it is clear from the original posting that he is a nationalist and not a patriot.

Most of the troops left, because warmonger, oil-hungry Bush was more interested in Iraq than in Bin Laden.

Funny. When did we start to do that? I haven't heard of a reductin of forces in Afghanistan.

Hmm, I love America because I try to point out its faults and correct it to the best of my power and ability. That is true patriotism. Not blindly following your government like many conservatives and "patriots" do. I love America, and I'm a liberal! :eek:

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism" -- Thomas Jefferson,

SUCK ON THAT CONSERVATIVE ASS MONKEYS!!!

**applauds wildly!!!**

amen I'm sick of everyone bashing us on these stupid forums, it makes me sick

oh btw this is probably gonna become flame-bait within the next day or so because I've found it's perfectly ok for people to put up topics saying how much America sucks but God forbid a topic that's pro-US ever shows up.


you claim to be all yay freedom and free speech and yet here you are condemning those who exercise that right.

"Love it or leave it" is the attitude of a nationalist...not a patriot. A patriot would welcome ideas to improve the land he loves, would encourage dialogue from those with a different viewpoint, and value them, instead of blindly following, like a lemming.
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They can't attack the message, because, deep down, they know the message is right. So they attack the messenger. And that is why liberals like me are now branded as "America-haters" as "commies" as "enemy combatants" as people who are "giving aid and comfort to the terrorists" and it really pisses me off that this attitude of Nationalism is being mistaken for patriotism.
Thank you! And then when we attack them of being irrational, they play the victim card while attacking us again. You see it every day. Like that clip of fox news during the 2004 election campaign when Brit Hume said "And the days of Bush absorbing John Kerry's malicious attacks without counter attack are over." But that's a whole different story, really.

Since Bush has taken office, I've noticed that several words have undergone a definition change. Such as "patriot" now more resembles "nationalism." "Liberal," while it used to mean those people that fight for black's rights, workers' rights, women's rights, and now gay's rights now is an insult. This Newspeak, and how easily people are accepting it, is quite frightening.

This thread is meant for patriotic citizens who love america, you others have your own thread. I believe its called Im a Communist or, oh yes, its Anti Americanism. Go there, then move to France. Love it or leave it pal

And that ISN'T flamebait?? Oh, I understand. It's okay for YOU to attack the messenger that brings a message YOU don't like, but Heaven forbid anyone else ought to do the same. The typical American double-standard...say one thing, do something different...:rolleyes:

Nope. I'm sure he HATES liberals like me...he probably hates gay folks, too. He probably hates non-christian, non-white folks too, and thinks they all ought to leave this country. Most nationalists think that way, and it is clear from the original posting that he is a nationalist and not a patriot.

I'm a patriot and not a nationalist. I dont mind liberals provided they don't spout off conspiracy theories that have long since been debunked. I don't mind gays provided they don't flaunt it. That goes for heterosexuals too. PDAs are fine but there is a fine line on acceptence. I don't mind non-christians at all. I have friends of different nationalities and races.

I'm a patriot!

Funny. When did we start to do that? I haven't heard of a reductin of forces in Afghanistan.
well, no matter the case, we definately aren't interested in bin Laden that much, even though he was the guy and the only guy we should've gone after.

"I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him [Osama bin Laden]."
--George W. Bush, White House, Mar. 13, 2002

And now for another one of Bush's lies:
"Uhh -- Gosh, I -- don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those, uhh, exaggerations."
-- GWB, Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

Nothing flamebait in this thread except coming from you and Lyric. So far you are the only 2 that have managed to flame and no one else has.

Can you give me an example of where I have engaged in flamebaiting on this subject? Unless, of course, your definition of "flamebait" is "posting anything that Corneliu disagrees with." I have not personally attacked anyone. So you tell me where I have engaged in flamebait, and you cite the original post number...so that people can scroll back and see it for themselves! Or retract the accusation! Don't bother "qouting" me, we all know how "quotes" can be fucked with. You cite the original post number in which I engaged in flamebait, or you retract the accusation! NOW!!

Cesspool alright. I live outside of Pittsburgh and attend a university in Lancaster County.

And I live in the Pocono Mountains in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This thread is meant for patriotic citizens who love america, you others have your own thread. I believe its called Im a Communist or, oh yes, its Anti Americanism. Go there, then move to France. Love it or leave it pal


what the fuck is it you yanks have with France. So what you helped them in WW2, its often overlooked that France supplied huge amounts of arms, supplies and men to the American rebels in the American Rebellion, the only reason that we Brits didn't kick your ass by sending our entire army over was because we were worried about getting invade by Napoleon's France at the time so don't forget you owe your entire country to the French.

And I live in the Pocono Mountains in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

Nice country. My wife and I looked at vacation homes on a lake near there-"Strawberry Lake", maybe?

Anyway-beautiful land there.

The truth is you guys are the one who flamed this thread. You saw a couple of people who loved America and had to ruin it with your liberal propaganda.

No, we set the record straight on the difference between a nationalist and a patriot. And you don't like it when the truth puts you in a bad light. We are sick and fucking tired of being called "America-Haters" because we don't march in lockstep with your precious little Bushie-boy! Goddamn it, you all attacked Clinton (our guy) every fucking chance you got, and we never called YOU "America-Haters" or demanded you march in lockstep with Clinton, or you were an "America-Hater!"

We're sick and fucking tired of the ad hominem attacks on our patriotism and our Americanism. We just hold a different set of core values than you do. Tough shit, get used to it, not everyone does agree with you and your ilk.

I'd disagree on that. There have been a couple of people, Achtung incldued, who have been flamebaiting, but surprisingly Lyric hasn't.

"Surprisilingly??" Gee, thanks for your support, Chikyota! Remember elections are coming up in our Region....I'll remember support like yours at the ballot box...:D

*snip*

Ok so where's the reduction of forces?

"Surprisilingly??" Gee, thanks for your support, Chikyota! Remember elections are coming up in our Region....I'll remember support like yours at the ballot box...:D
I really want to respond the post you're quoting, but I'm not going back to go find it

Oh come on! I say one mildly flamebaiting statement, while Tyrannical Fascists has posted at least three flamage posts! I haven't flamed nor flamebaited since, yet I've seen it all over from the other side, mostly from TF. Come on you people!

I thought it was more criticism than flamebaiting, but she was using blanket-statements so I can definately see your point.

So blanket-statements are now flamebait?? Hell, just about everyone in this Forum is guilty of flamebaiting then!! No, "flamebaiting" has always been defined as making a personal attack against a poster...and not their message.

If you define blanket-statements as "flamebait" then just about everyone here is a pot calling the kettle black, I've seen plenty of blanket-statements about Liberals being made by the conservatives here. But that's not flamebait, is it?

It's only "flamebait" when a liberal does it...I understand. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Yep. I agree with you. The country does have mood swings and that makes this country great to live in.



Just respect the office is all I ask :) and u do so I have no quarell with you :)


Then why didn't YOUR PEOPLE respect the office when it was occupied by CLINTON??? Huh??

What, we're only supposed to respect it when it's YOUR GUYS occupying it?? WTF is that bullshit?? Turnabout is fair play. You guys shit all over Clinton unrelentingly for eight years. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you find you don't like it so much, eh? Well, get used to it, Bush has three more years of shit to take before it's even.

I love america but if you think im not going to criticise my govt when they fuck up is stupidity.


Great post Lyric....very true.

That's right, you heard it first here! I am a gun-loving, baby saving, flag waving, military supporting, conservative.

By the way, I love God too. :D

I say what Traduce said ! Sorry, you had it typed so well, I mimicked it.

I'm a free trade, technology loving, moral abiding, American nationalist. And you can do nothing to change that ! :cool:

Ok so where's the reduction of forces?
We went in with a "reduction"! The number of troops dedicated to finding Osama were only a fraction of the 150,000 who were dedicated to finding Saddam. We give Osama a few days head start, then we go in and bomb the shit out of the places he was, making it look like America was using all of its resources to find Osama, when really it was just a big show.

Then why didn't YOUR PEOPLE respect the office when it was occupied by CLINTON??? Huh??

What, we're only supposed to respect it when it's YOUR GUYS occupying it?? WTF is that bullshit?? Turnabout is fair play. You guys shit all over Clinton unrelentingly for eight years. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you find you don't like it so much, eh? Well, get used to it, Bush has three more years of shit to take before it's even.
Watch, he's going to say "Well, I respected Clinton!"

We went in with a "reduction"! it was just a big show.

Achtung 45 is one of those long haired angry wal-mart floor monkeys who wanders around telling customers about the evils of the medical industry and car insurance salesmen. He thinks Noah is coming back for him in a huge space ship. ;)

you claim to be all yay freedom and free speech and yet here you are condemning those who exercise that right.

condemning the speech is not the same as prohibiting the right to say it

And I live in the Pocono Mountains in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

You must be a NECKCAR fan... what with the Pocono Motor Speedway (I have to assume) close to you!

hehe

lincoln was the first of the many Great republicans, i say many and not all because of the "hiccup" i call nixon


How about the "hiccup" we call "Dubya?" Or "The Pretzeldent?"

Achtung 45 is one of those long haired angry wal-mart floor monkeys who wanders around telling customers about the evils of the medical industry and car insurance salesmen. He thinks Noah is coming back for him in a huge space ship. ;)
Hey! I would never even associate myself with Wal :) Mart! And Noah did say he was going to come back for me. :( NOAHHHHHH!!!!

Amen to that, as Voltaire said..."I disagree with everything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

I will admit freely, that though I do not look down upon other countries...I am a flag-waving Nationalist of the patriotic kind...

So yes I do love my country, I support it through and through, some of you may differ in opinion on the idea of patriotism, but I feel the country is worth supporting and that we've done the right thing more oft then not over the years..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Traduce
BTW I have no problem with letting the man make the living, and staying at home taking care of the kids, because I think that is an AWESOME role for a woman to have. And don't you dare tell me I'm lesser for it.

Besides I bake great cookies.


if only there were more women like you, our country could return to the good eras of the 50's and early 60's. where people were patriotic all the time.

American cookies are the best.

Yeah, Traduce? And what do you do when the man you married turns out to be an alcoholic, abusive son of a bitch...and your parents are now dead, and there's NOWHERE you can go to escape your absive husband...and now, because you never worked outside the home, you can't support yourself or your kids, and so you are now trapped in a nightmare from hell!!

No thank you, I prefer to be able to be independent from any man, thank you very much. I'll be damned if I'm going to abdicate control of my life and my future to anyone.

Yeah, I live with my mom right now, but that was my choice. I chose to come home, I didn't HAVE to. I coulda stayed in Texas and starved...thanks to the lousy economy. As it is...I had already planned on moving back with my mom when she retired in seven years, anyway, because she's a widow, and I did not want her to have to be alone, left to manage on her own, and with no family around.

As it is, the economy ended up forcing me into moving back home a little sooner than I planned. But it still, in the end, was ultimately my choice.

I would NEVER paint myself into a corner where I had no way out if something went sour. How many women, do you think, in the "wonderful" 50's and 60's were secret and silent victims of alcoholic, abusive husbands...and how many women were trapped in that condition with no escape possible? and that's what you want for yourself, and for your daughters?

Hey, I say nothing against being a stay-at-home-mom, it's a hell of a job to do that...but, man, make sure you got a back-up plan in case, God forbid...you need it! do not abdicate total control of your life to anyone, because, at that poiont, you are completely at the mercy of another. Is that what you want for yourself?

I see where he's coming from, he does like America, but he like Mexico more. Not quite they flag burning type in my opinion. Though he could have put the Bush thing a bit nicer.

Why? If the shoew fits, wear it, I say. bush DOES suck. and they sure as hell weren't very damned nice when it was CLINTON in the White House. This is payback for the treatment Clinton got.

C'mon, guys, calm down. Equating liberals with "America haters" and Democrats with Nazis/communists and saying that anyone who prefers other countries is a flag-burning thread-crasher is an itty wee bit extreme, don't you think?

Can't you love the U.S. without hating half of its citizens?

No. Most of us can't!! And that goes for my side, too. We're not quite as bad as their side about it, but we're close, and we sure as hell have our extremists, too.

Hes the commander in chief and at least deserves your respect. He has a name and it is PRESIDENT BUSH. You should refer to him as such.

Well, thats it for me, its been great.

He's not my President, and never will be. I don't acknowledge him so...and I do not acknowledge his authority. I won't until someone can produce a paper trail PROVING that he really won, and didn't cheat. I still believe he cheated. And until a paper audit trail is produced, proving otherwise, I will continue to believe he cheated.

Then why didn't YOUR PEOPLE respect the office when it was occupied by CLINTON??? Huh??

THey did. WHy do you think they tried to impeach him when he lied to a Federal Grand Jury? Oh wait. That isn't respecting the office. Sorry for impeaching someone that disgraced the office by breaking the law.

I respected Clinton because he was in the office but due to his lying to the Federal Grand Jury (an impeachable offense), I had to support his impeachment.

What, we're only supposed to respect it when it's YOUR GUYS occupying it?? WTF is that bullshit?? Turnabout is fair play.

I love the hostility miss. Again. there is no us or them. We are one nation united by a common bond. I don't care if your a liberal or not. However, I do ask that the office be respected. You may not like who is in that office but respect the office none the less.

You guys shit all over Clinton unrelentingly for eight years.

That's because Clinton did some real dumb things in office. But that is a different thread.

Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you find you don't like it so much, eh? Well, get used to it, Bush has three more years of shit to take before it's even.

Miss, due calm down. Anger is not the answer. I thought you were supposed to love thy neighbor. Isnt that what the liberals always say?

We went in with a "reduction"! The number of troops dedicated to finding Osama were only a fraction of the 150,000 who were dedicated to finding Saddam. We give Osama a few days head start, then we go in and bomb the shit out of the places he was, making it look like America was using all of its resources to find Osama, when really it was just a big show.

Ok, your not proving your case. I'm done with this line.

It's funny how I say one mild flaming line, and it goes down as "those liberals are mean!" Even though I go back and find at least three flamage posts by conservatives and it gets shrugged off. I guess we are just used to seeing conservatives attack liberals way more than the other way around. :p

They are better at smash-mouth politics than we are, Achtung.

He's not my President, and never will be. I don't acknowledge him so...and I do not acknowledge his authority.

You are American and therefor he IS YOUR PRESIDENT WETHER YOU VOTED FOR HIM OR NOT! WHy do liberals always say he's not my president? I acknowledged Clinton as my president so why can't liberals do the same? Oh wait, because they didn't vote for him. To bad. The nation did and therefor he is your president regardless of the fantasy world you live.

I won't until someone can produce a paper trail PROVING that he really won, and didn't cheat.

Already been done so many times its not worth dragging up again.

I still believe he cheated. And until a paper audit trail is produced, proving otherwise, I will continue to believe he cheated.

Your a sad sad little girl aren't you? I guess you don't follow the news as closely as you think you do.

I'm a nice conservative and don't call liberals names. "Can't we all just get along?"
No. Unfortunately not. We could, if the conservatives would play nice FIRST. They started it.

No. Unfortunately not. We could, if the conservatives would play nice FIRST. They started it.

Actually I think everyone's to blame for starting it. I don't really think you can blame it on any one political ideology.

Ok, your not proving your case. I'm done with this line.
okay...

They are better at smash-mouth politics than we are, Achtung.
And I guess we're just more used to conservatives insulting liberals and when liberals actually go on the offensive, they're like "OMG!!111!11!!11!1!1 teh lib3r@|s gon3 cr42y!!11!!!1!!"

No. Most of us can't!! And that goes for my side, too. We're not quite as bad as their side about it, but we're close, and we sure as hell have our extremists, too.

Oh I missed this little gem. Talk about hostility.

Sorry but so far, I'm seeing more hostility from the left than I am from the right.

I still like how you categorize us and them. You do know we are all one person right? There is no us and them.

Good one! I like this one better though...

" O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!"
:)

Ah, I like the George Carlin version better...it's quite frankly more truthful...and it appeals to my cynical nature.

O beautiful, for smoggy skies
Insectisided grain
For strip-mined mountains, majesty
Above the asphalt plain

America, America...man sheds his waste on thee
And hides the pines
With billboard signs
From sea to oily sea!!

LOL - gotta love Carlin!