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* Africa you say ? Shame cos I liked the rest of your post even though i didn't agree with it then you had to go off on a rant about a country you critisize people for mentioning
In case you haven't noticed, I was replying to yet another reference to where I live made by the poster to whom I was replying. Do scroll up and read.

Africa you say? -snip- you had to go off on a rant about a country you critisize people for mentioning

Africa is a country?

Africa is a country?
No but Israel is

In case you haven't noticed, I was replying to yet another reference to where I live made by the poster to whom I was replying. Do scroll up and read.

I read it before making the comment, still why bother?

See, I don't care if it is. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, you know. I am used to result oriented thinking- and it is the potential harm that may result from the Live8 crowd efforts that bothers me. I don't give a damn how noble they are at heart. They can be saints for all I care- but if their actions are harmful, to hell with them anyway.
I am getting a better picture of you and where you are coming from. You remain cynical, and it appears that you have an agenda as well. I do not see these actions as being "harmful", no matter how you want to roll the dice. What I cannot understand is your "stake" in all of this, considering that it is not even your money that is being requested. You don't have to cough up one penny for this "noble cause", yet you started this thread and called it a "scam".

That's not cynical. That's stupid of you. It's funny that all you can counter my arguments with is an absolutely irrelevant reference to something that has nothing to do with the issue we are discussing, yet is aimed to somehow make me feel bad about my country. Hell, you haven't even bothered to read one of my previous posts where I have- briefly and reluctantly because it doesn't belong in this thread- adressed this issue.
I sense a defensive attitude arising. This thread is about aid, and you have made references to aid in other countries, so if anyone went off topic, that would be you. My post was not intended to "make you feel bad about your country", I was only stating a fact. If you do feel bad, then perhaps you might be feeling some guilt, but somehow I doubt that. Too much "aid" has gone towards the weapons of war and the results have been rather dismal to say the least. You state that you "care about the people", and frankly speaking, I just don't make that connection with all of the posts that you have made.

You want these people to be "free marketers" when they don't even have the strength to stand up, and they are disappearing at the rate of 30,000 per day, which works out to 1 and 1/2 times the population of your country per year. You find that acceptable?

I already have, a few posts back. The solution is letting the Western businesses in, liberalizing economy, protecting foreign investments. The solution is industralization, because without industry Africa is as good as dead. The solution is rewarding anyone who sets up factories in Africa where people can EARN, not beg for, money.
Instead of going for the "for profit" route that will take forever to be established, how about the "communal" approach?

The solution is getting rid of Mugabe and other greedy bastards who won't let any of the above happen because it would mean lots of money escaping their clutches. By force if necessery. It won't look shiny and pretty on TV, but without Mugabe, Zimbabwe at least stands a chance. With him it doesn't.
There would have to be a game plan, other than forcing more wars and destruction among these people. Work with the countries that want to buy in without undue restrictions, and as they gain strength, they will become the role models for the others. The key is giving these people strength and hope.

The solution is making the African states go the same route that the "Asian tigers" went. From starvation to sweatshops, from sweatshops to heavy industry, from heavy industry to high-tech. And no, there is no way around sweatshops. Most real cures taste bitter. That's life to you.
I disagree in this case. I don't think their salvation has to be the result of rapid capitalism. The first priority is to arrest the suffering.

Eliminate poverty! Brilliant idea. Why didn't I think of that before???

*snaps fingers*

There we are, no more poverty. Just like zhat.

:rolleyes:


Personally, I think that Live8 amounts to celebrities manipulating sympathetic arguments to take advantage of the good will of the populace. Kind of like Christian Childrens' Fund but on a massive global scale. It's bad enough for there to be this kind of tragedy in the first place, but opportunists funnelling the rest of the world's concern for it into their own media promotions really ices things off.

Come on, surely nobody thought it would be any different? These concerts are just an opportunity for a load of talentless arseholes to increase their profiles and egos.

Oh shut it already. I'm 28. I live in a country that was built on a piece of infertile desert with regular draught, sandstorms and earthquakes.

*snips self-congratulatory exposition*

Israel was- and is- forsed to import EVERYTHING, every single resource a modern economy needs- and yet we are doing better than any other state in the region, including Saudi Arabia with their giant oil supply. You know why?



Yup. And so do you. Israel's miserable economy is paid for, lock stock and barrel by the United States, as well as several other nations. And that's the reson why Israel is doing better than any other state in the region, including Saudi.

Forget about anything else - if America stopped the flow of USD into Israel, your economy wouldn't so much collapse as implode. Faster than a SCUD missile.

Yup. And so do you. Israel's miserable economy is paid for, lock stock and barrel by the United States, as well as several other nations. And that's the reson why Israel is doing better than any other state in the region, including Saudi.

Forget about anything else - if America stopped the flow of USD into Israel, your economy wouldn't so much collapse as implode. Faster than a SCUD missile.
That's a nice piece of ignorance you have here. Not to mention that if this little snide comment is all you can contribute to a discussion about Live8, you're in the wrong thread.

I'm bush like. Live 8 is not a scam. Its a not a scam, because I because George W. Bush says its not a scam. Im involved how could it be a scam. It couldnt it if im involved. Im morally correct I dont believe in scams. So there.

GOD SPARE AFRICA from mercy. God deliver Africa from The Guardian. God protect Africa from the Synod of the Church of England. God send Africa a little less of our charity and understanding, and a little more of our anger and disdain.

Pity poisons the continent when it stifles criticism. As leaders of the G8 gather to discuss aid, they should be pitiless in their resolve to make pariahs of black Africa’s cruel and rotten governments. A ruling class of greedy men, sheltered by a popular culture of gawping passivity in the face of political swagger, is suffocating the people of Africa and neither tears nor money nor rock music should be our first response. Rage, not rock, is called for.
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The rest is here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1065-1677350_1,00.html).

Eliminate poverty! Brilliant idea. Why didn't I think of that before???

*snaps fingers*

There we are, no more poverty. Just like zhat.

:rolleyes:


Personally, I think that Live8 amounts to celebrities manipulating sympathetic arguments to take advantage of the good will of the populace. Kind of like Christian Childrens' Fund but on a massive global scale. It's bad enough for there to be this kind of tragedy in the first place, but opportunists funnelling the rest of the world's concern for it into their own media promotions really ices things off.
So your ignoring all the efforts that bono and Geldof have made in the past then, this is just a one off, they've never done anything before? Is that what your saying?