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I like real punk rock

But on the other hand, probably no one i know would call me a punk rocker, i just don't fit the whole stereotype... :rolleyes:

the music is simplistic garbage, the lyrics are mindless, and the live shows arent fun. It has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Have you listened to any? Anymore than one song?

The music wasn't intended to be difficult just sound good and be fast (which it is). And about the whole lyrics thing... do you want me to post some that are clever? Some punk bands may have simple repetitive lyrics but not all of them....

Why the hell bother explaining the obvious to a lazy hippie? Hippies are for bashing, not talking. Since it's outta reach, just ignore it. Eventually it's go away... Or grow old and become a Neocon.

Why the hell bother explaining the obvious to a lazy hippie? Hippies are for bashing, not talking. Since it's outta reach, just ignore it. Eventually it's go away... Or grow old and become a Neocon.

Yeah, i guess i always hope that i can talk sense into people though... so far it hasn't happened... :rolleyes:

I love Green Day and the Ramones

You're gonna have to provide some better info. A record title and/or label would help immensely :)

Here's a few things TDB usually stands for
TDB Tape Disk Business (magazine)
TDB Technical Directive Board
TDB Technical Disclosure Bulletin
TDB Technology Database
TDB Technology Development Board (India)
TDB Temps Dynamique Barycentrique (Barycentric Dynamical Time)
TDB Terrain Database
TDB The Daily Blitz (blog site)
TDB The Dark Breed (gaming clan)
TDB The Digital Brotherhood
TDB The Disco Biscuits (band)
TDB The Division Bell (Pink Floyd album)
TDB Theater Defense Brigade
TDB Threat Database
TDB Time Distribution Bus
TDB Too Damn Bad
TDB Toronto Dominion Bank
TDB Trade Development Board
TDB Training Development Branch
TDB Transportation Database
You can probably guess why it's futile to search for "Stop The Torture" TCD & San Diego ;)

pssst: he said TBD. Take notice of the order these letters are in... ;-)

I like real punk rock

But on the other hand, probably no one i know would call me a punk rocker, i just don't fit the whole stereotype... :rolleyes:

No you're not a stereotypical punk rocker. Although sometimes I wish you would get around in black a little more :D.

pssst: he said TBD. Take notice of the order these letters are in... ;-)
Arh bollox! Well.. I still need more info :p

Real punk rock?
*Sigh*, those were the days.

Unfortunately almost every last vestige of punk rock has gone the way of the dodo. Even previous modern wayside oasis' for true punk rock fans, such as anti-flag, have mutated into twisted satires of what they once were.

With the exception of Against Me!, and perhaps a few others, punk rock is dead. When Jello Biafra and Greg Graffen can both write such convincing articles on the subject, you have to start wondering.

Anybody remember The Blue Meanies? I know they were more atuned to ska than punk, but man did they kick ass. Living in Chicago, I used to be able to see them fairly often. Broke my heart the day they disbanded.

Hey, Funky Beat told me there was someone on here who likes Relient K, anyone know it is cause he couldn't remember their nation name, i spose i could search but i'm lazy... :p

Edit: i just did a search! it was Gmail, but there are others who have heard of them :) woOt! Go RK!

I've only heard 2 really sucky recordings of Operation Ivy covers. Blue Meanies didn't impress, but to be fair, I haven't heard enuff to form an opinion.

I will say that it takes a bit of effort to get into Blue Meanies. They're a bit abrasive. Does anyone here know Against Me!? I know I've already mentioned them, but I am so impressed by their music, and it seems no one listens to them.

Though, I hear their next album is going to be on a bigger label. Hopefully this will give people an opportunity to hear them. (Assuming said label doesn't fuck it up.)

I will say that it takes a bit of effort to get into Blue Meanies. They're a bit abrasive. Does anyone here know Against Me!? I know I've already mentioned them, but I am so impressed by their music, and it seems no one listens to them.

Though, I hear their next album is going to be on a bigger label. Hopefully this will give people an opportunity to hear them. (Assuming said label doesn't fuck it up.)

I haven't heard of them :( maybe i will soon, cause i've just started listening to more ska music, which i'm really liking...

I will say that it takes a bit of effort to get into Blue Meanies. They're a bit abrasive. Does anyone here know Against Me!? I know I've already mentioned them, but I am so impressed by their music, and it seems no one listens to them.

Though, I hear their next album is going to be on a bigger label. Hopefully this will give people an opportunity to hear them. (Assuming said label doesn't fuck it up.)
I love Against Me! I posted a longish list of music elsewhere in this thread if you want to look. Actually, your last post made me put it on :)
Not only can the guy the ass off almost anyone, but goddamn they have some brilliant lyrics!

Edit: Against Me! is sort of folkish, acoutsic anachro punk

Real punk rock?
*Sigh*, those were the days.

Unfortunately almost every last vestige of punk rock has gone the way of the dodo. Even previous modern wayside oasis' for true punk rock fans, such as anti-flag, have mutated into twisted satires of what they once were.

With the exception of Against Me!, and perhaps a few others, punk rock is dead. When Jello Biafra and Greg Graffen can both write such convincing articles on the subject, you have to start wondering.

People who say the scene has died just aren't trying hard enough. ;)

People who say the scene has died just aren't trying hard enough. ;)
I agree that the scene isn't dead, but there is a lot of crap maquerading as punk thesdays *cough* Blink 182 *cough*

My applaud for you guys. Punk is alive and well, possibly in a different incarnation, but not dead - we just smell that way.

When I say real I mean old shit like Cock Sparrer and new stuff like the Dropkick Murphys, not crap like My Chemical Romance or Simple Plan.

I did not even class those as punk wannabes, to me Chemcial romance is more Hardcore/Emo and Simple Plan is just crap. Simple Plan make Good Charlotte sound good.
Having said that, I'm more heavy metal myself.
The only commonly acknowledged punk I like is the Clash, and some of the older Offspring if they count.
Out of curiosity, does Madness count as punk or are they ska/something else

:headbang: For anyone who cares (else don't reply),
My classification with punk music falls into four catagories:Real, ska, emo, goth, and pop. Goth is punk which afterwards you want to kill things(AFI). Emo punk is that which you afterwards you want to kill yourself(Something Corporate). Pop punk is the kind that afterwards you wish you were a twelve year old girl so that you might have liked it(Simple Plan). And real punk is the kind that afterwards you realize society sucks and want to break things because of it(Green Day, NOFX, Ramones, etc). Ska punk is real punk with brass. For most people, punk as a style of music is "three chord punk" which was mainly set up by the Ramones. Most all bands in my catagories follow this technique. The main difference in the catagories is lyrics and what I would like to call the intensity of the instruments. Not many of the other styles besides real and ska have the talent to play with creative intensity and design (Ahem, like NOFX). Thus they resort to the typical 4/4 meter and one chord per meter style. Also for those who care, Alkaline trio is my favorite modern band, check'em out.

Out of curiosity, does Madness count as punk or are they ska/something else

Two Tone.

Not many of the other styles besides real and ska have the talent to play with creative intensity and design (Ahem, like NOFX). Thus they resort to the typical 4/4 meter and one chord per meter style.

Ignoring the fact that most hardcore is actually based around a 2/4 time signature, no?

Ignoring the fact that most hardcore is actually based around a 2/4 time signature, no?


Pardon me then, 2/4 signiture with one chord per two meters :D

Two Tone.



Ignoring the fact that most hardcore is actually based around a 2/4 time signature, no?

Sorry what do you mean by two tone? 2/4 signature, two notes, some else and I'm looking like an idiot

Sorry what do you mean by two tone?

As a label to describe Madness's type of music: it isn't really pure ska, nor is it an amalgam of ska and punk. In the UK the term 'two tone' is often used to describe bands like madness as a result of it being one of the first record labels to put out that kind of music. Thus it avoids lumping in bands like the Selector, the Beat or the Specials with the Jamaican musicians from which they got their lead.

For anyone who cares (else don't reply),
My classification with punk music falls into four catagories:Real, ska, emo,

goth, and pop. Goth is punk which afterwards you want to kill things(AFI).

Emo punk is that which you afterwards you want to kill yourself(Something

Corporate). Pop punk is the kind that afterwards you wish you were a twelve

year old girl so that you might have liked it(Simple Plan). And real punk is

the kind that afterwards you realize society sucks and want to break things

because of it(Green Day, NOFX, Ramones, etc). Ska punk is real punk with

brass. For most people, punk as a style of music is "three chord punk" which

was mainly set up by the Ramones. Most all bands in my catagories follow

this technique. The main difference in the catagories is lyrics and what I

would like to call the intensity of the instruments. Not many of the other

styles besides real and ska have the talent to play with creative intensity

and design (Ahem, like NOFX). Thus they resort to the typical 4/4 meter and

one chord per meter style. Also for those who care, Alkaline trio is my

favorite modern band, check'em out.

I suggest you increase your knowlege of punk so you don't sound silly when

you classify bands.

AFI, Green Day and NoFX are pop-punk, Simple Plan is just pop. ;)

Emo is a variety of hardcore, Something Corporate are pop and unrelated to

hardcore. Check out Envy, Antioch Arrow, Orchid, Indian Summer, Crimson

Curse or Heroin for some emo.

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/heroin.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/envy.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/antiocharrow.html

Goth branched off from punk around 1979-80, check out Bauhaus or Sisters of

Mercy for an idea of what goth sounds like.


I did not even class those as punk wannabes, to me Chemcial romance is more

Hardcore/Emo and Simple Plan is just crap. Simple Plan make Good Charlotte

sound good.

My Chemical Romance are just bad pop-punk, no relation to hardcore or emo.

And nothing makes Good Charlotte sound good. ;)

I suggest you check out His Hero Is Gone.
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/hisheroisgone.html

The way i see it, Real punk died about 1992 when Grunge hit big and suddenly all the punkish bands went Grunge. If we wanna get realy realy involved, True Anti-establishment punk in the semi-mainstream died after bands like the Ramones and Sex Pistols (theres a long list of other bands no one seems to know about so i'll just use the top 2 people have heard of) stopped playing and touring and being themselves.

What passes as Punk today on the Radio and the TV is a far cry from anything back in the late 70's and early 80's. Now Anarchy is just a slogan for corprations and MTV to put on Tshirts and let trendy people buy and think they are a punk. I could go on and on and on for days about how the progression of punk to a mainstream music is a bad thing and how it makes people like me who've been in the scene sence before it was even semi popular to be a punk cringe when some fresh out of hot topic kid calls us a poser cause were not wearing trendy band tshirts but i'll skip it because from what ive read the people reading and posting here that would understand already know and all the MTV poser/wannabe punkers would just call me an Elietist or a poser and never try to understand.

The way i see it, Real punk died about 1992 when Grunge hit big and suddenly all the punkish bands went Grunge. If we wanna get realy realy involved, True Anti-establishment punk in the semi-mainstream died after bands like the Ramones and Sex Pistols (theres a long list of other bands no one seems to know about so i'll just use the top 2 people have heard of) stopped playing and touring and being themselves.

What passes as Punk today on the Radio and the TV is a far cry from anything back in the late 70's and early 80's. Now Anarchy is just a slogan for corprations and MTV to put on Tshirts and let trendy people buy and think they are a punk. I could go on and on and on for days about how the progression of punk to a mainstream music is a bad thing and how it makes people like me who've been in the scene sence before it was even semi popular to be a punk cringe when some fresh out of hot topic kid calls us a poser cause were not wearing trendy band tshirts but i'll skip it because from what ive read the people reading and posting here that would understand already know and all the MTV poser/wannabe punkers would just call me an Elietist or a poser and never try to understand.

1: The true spirit of Punk Rock began with the Sex Pistols, and it died with them at Winterland in 1978. Sure, you can say that the Ramones carried it on somewhat, but their music was entirely different.

2: The whole "Anarchy" thing started out as a joke, with John Lydon wearing his classic torn shirt with various things written all over it, the most prominent being an Anarchy symbol. As the years have gone by, people have tried to make it serious. It was never meant to be serious. It was just some guys having a good laugh (like with the whole Nazi joke)... It's gotten out of hand.

It is amazing how punk started out being strongly politically orientated, left wing predominately. It was also strongly about individuality and that is why punks in the 70’s 80’s and early 90’s had freaky spiky and coloured hair. Old school hardcore punk bands include Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, Fuguzi, Ramoens and the Clash.
However modern day pop and emo punk (also known as pseudo punk) is very concerned on the image and how they look. “If you don’t wear eyeliner or have spiky hair you not punk”. Good Charlet are a pop punk band whose fans have personally told me that they are punk because they have tattoos and spiky hair.
As much as I HATE pseudo punk, and the way in which people associate the word ‘Punk’ with try hard wannebes who wear all black and have the same misfits haircut. (Misfits are a great band however) it really depends on the individual as to what type of music they like.
I shall however leave with this quote from ‘Dead Kennedys’s song ‘Nazi Punk’
“You aint hardcore when you spike your head when a joke still lives inside your head!”

It is amazing how punk started out being strongly politically orientated, left wing predominately. It was also strongly about individuality and that is why punks in the 70’s 80’s and early 90’s had freaky spiky and coloured hair. Old school hardcore punk bands include Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, Fuguzi, Ramoens and the Clash.
However modern day pop and emo punk (also known as pseudo punk) is very concerned on the image and how they look. “If you don’t wear eyeliner or have spiky hair you not punk”. Good Charlet are a pop punk band whose fans have personally told me that they are punk because they have tattoos and spiky hair.
As much as I HATE pseudo punk, and the way in which people associate the word ‘Punk’ with try hard wannebes who wear all black and have the same misfits haircut. (Misfits are a great band however) it really depends on the individual as to what type of music they like.
I shall however leave with this quote from ‘Dead Kennedys’s song ‘Nazi Punk’
“You aint hardcore when you spike your head when a joke still lives inside your head!”

Well-said, though Fugazi, The Clash, and the Ramones are hardly "Hardcore". The Sex Pistols could be classified as Hardcore based on their live performances, but it's a matter of dispute, as their records sound nothing like that.

Old school hardcore punk bands include Dead Kennedys, Sex Pistols, Fuguzi, Ramoens and the Clash.

Fugazi hardly qualify as 'old school' starting in 1987, about five years after old school hardcore broke. The Clash, The Ramones and The Pistols were just punk bands, not hardcore punk bands. Ah well, the Dead Kennedys were 'old school hardcore punk'. One out of five isn't bad.

i like punk. i listen to bands such as:

kid dynamite
nofx
anti-flag
minor threat
rancid
leftover crack
choking victim
the unseen
necros
adolescents
circle jerks
black flag
ramones
sex pistols
operation ivy
paint it black
none more black
lars and the bastards
no cash
cheap sex
the casualties

and many others...

Fugazi hardly qualify as 'old school' starting in 1987, about five years after old school hardcore broke. The Clash, The Ramones and The Pistols were just punk bands, not hardcore punk bands. Ah well, the Dead Kennedys were 'old school hardcore punk'. One out of five isn't bad.
Were they? I mean, I'm a big fan of the Dead Kennedys, but they really didn't go much for the loud, fast, short stuff. Their last good CD (Frankenchrist, not including the compilation CD which I think is their best...digress) doesn't have a song under 2:20, and most are over 4:00. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 'hardcore' music generally considered sub 2 minute songs, played very fast (they had a bit of long, drawn out bits going, especially in some of their more well known songs, like Holiday in Cambodia, Moon over Marin, and California Uber Alles)?


Or am I completely wrong? I'll defer to your judgement on this, but it's more of a why sort of thing.

The way i see it, Real punk died about 1992 when Grunge hit big and suddenly all the punkish bands went Grunge. If we wanna get realy realy involved, True Anti-establishment punk in the semi-mainstream died after bands like the Ramones and Sex Pistols (theres a long list of other bands no one seems to know about so i'll just use the top 2 people have heard of) stopped playing and touring and being themselves.

What passes as Punk today on the Radio and the TV is a far cry from anything back in the late 70's and early 80's. Now Anarchy is just a slogan for corprations and MTV to put on Tshirts and let trendy people buy and think they are a punk. I could go on and on and on for days about how the progression of punk to a mainstream music is a bad thing and how it makes people like me who've been in the scene sence before it was even semi popular to be a punk cringe when some fresh out of hot topic kid calls us a poser cause were not wearing trendy band tshirts but i'll skip it because from what ive read the people reading and posting here that would understand already know and all the MTV poser/wannabe punkers would just call me an Elietist or a poser and never try to understand.
I'm not sure whether I think it's hillarious or tragic that everyone considers our beautiful culture a fashion statement. I guess all I can say about it: Hardly anyone ever got it & hardly anyone ever will.

Let the idiots have their fad. It'll pass. It's not like it's some sort of threat to our culture. They don't belong. They don't associate with us and they never will. I care fuck all what "the official trendy image of punkdom" is.
Noone but ourselves gives two shits about us and noone ever will. And it suits me just fine.. It's a mutual thing.

Our culture was born 30 years ago. It's stronger and more diverse now than it has been in 20 years. We're more organised than we've ever been before and beer is still pretty cheap.

Stop worrying about braindead teens. It's a waste of time. Just crack their heads when you see them and ignore they exists the rest of the time. The worst thing all the media shit have done, is to make punkers think they need to justify themselves. What the fuck is that? You don't need to. Ever. Give them hell but never let them bring you down. Show some fucking dignity and take pride what you are.

Were they? I mean, I'm a big fan of the Dead Kennedys, but they really didn't go much for the loud, fast, short stuff. Their last good CD (Frankenchrist, not including the compilation CD which I think is their best...digress) doesn't have a song under 2:20, and most are over 4:00. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 'hardcore' music generally considered sub 2 minute songs, played very fast (they had a bit of long, drawn out bits going, especially in some of their more well known songs, like Holiday in Cambodia, Moon over Marin, and California Uber Alles)?


Or am I completely wrong? I'll defer to your judgement on this, but it's more of a why sort of thing.

Hardcore is the way the song is structured. It can also be the way the song is played. Just because a song is very fast and is under two minutes doesn't mean it's "Hardcore".

Hardcore is the way the song is structured. It can also be the way the song is played. Just because a song is very fast and is under two minutes doesn't mean it's "Hardcore".
Well to my ears the Dead Kennedys sound extremely different from bands like minor threat and such (digs in, I think they suck :p), but whatever, I don't claim to have any background musically with which to define genres. Good music is good music, regardless of genre.

CSW>> DK is probably best defined as a punk rock'n'roll band - They took heavily from a heritage of country music, liberally mixed with hardcore, thrash and whatever else came to mind. Many punk rockers love them for their punk anti-societal lyrics and stances(mostly concocted by frontman Jello Biafra).

It also underlines pretty well that punk rockers usually have a pretty wide taste in music, as long as it carries with it a certain energy. A lot of punks will dig thrash, metal, oi!, ska and digital noize for the same reason.

Were they?

Not really, more an example of fairly idiosyncratic American punk, but as time went on their sound took a lead from the younger pups and they picked up a couple of hardcore influences. I guess the fatally flawed Bedtime For Democracy is as close as they ever got to playing straight-ahead hardcore, but even it probably is better described as a thrash (in the punk, not metal, sense) album.

Or am I completely wrong?

No.

Were they? I mean, I'm a big fan of the Dead Kennedys, but they really didn't go much for the loud, fast, short stuff. Their last good CD (Frankenchrist, not including the compilation CD which I think is their best...digress) I have to disagree. While I agree that Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death is their best, I have to say that Bedtime For Democracy is far superior to Frankenchrist.

Although AFI's latest album sucks, if you check out their older stuff it's really good especially their first two albums which are pretty good hardcore.

shadow-knights likes minor threat. hell yes! minor threat is true fucking punk rock. and thank god there are straight edge-hardcore bands (like verse, go it alone, stay gold, champion...) to carry on their message... and i know for a fact punk rock isn't dead. cuz im in a kickass punk rock band. EMILIO Y THE MEATS. we rock your socks!.. and we play an awesome minor threat cover.

As a label to describe Madness's type of music: it isn't really pure ska, nor is it an amalgam of ska and punk. In the UK the term 'two tone' is often used to describe bands like madness as a result of it being one of the first record labels to put out that kind of music. Thus it avoids lumping in bands like the Selector, the Beat or the Specials with the Jamaican musicians from which they got their lead.

Thank you for the clarification

When I say real I mean old shit like Cock Sparrer and new stuff like the Dropkick Murphys, not crap likeMy Chemical Romance or Simple Plan.

this real or not real punk band issue has been deabted from time to time since the 70's. I think it's a dumb question. I mean, Sex Pistols is considered a punk band by many, but some think its rock n roll. And just ask Malcolm Maclaren about how much they sold out! Not that they ever got that much money out of it. :rolleyes:

When I say real I mean old shit like Cock Sparrer and new stuff like the Dropkick Murphys, not crap likeMy Chemical Romance or Simple Plan.

Does Ska or Oi! count?

Does Ska or Oi! count?
Fuck yea! Finally a likeminded person comes along!

I love Simple Plan and Blink 182!

Anyone have any reccomendations of more current 'punk' bands. Current meaning bands that have put out an album in the last 5-ish years.

Anyone have any reccomendations of more current 'punk' bands. Current meaning bands that have put out an album in the last 5-ish years.
Simple Plan! Good Charlotte ;)

Does Ska or Oi! count?
What the heck is that?

Simple Plan! Good Charlotte ;)
I was thinking more along the lines of Leftover Crack or Doa or Propogandhi, you know something along the lines of pure awesome.

I was thinking more along the lines of Leftover Crack or Doa or Propogandhi, you know something along the lines of pure awesome.
Qui? I know nothing of rock and its many forms.

What the heck is that?
Streams of punk.....duh

According to Yahoo!, No Doubt is ska so YAY FOR SKA!

Anyone have any reccomendations of more current 'punk' bands. Current meaning bands that have put out an album in the last 5-ish years.

Dropkick Murphys! Checke 'em out: http://www.dropkickmurphys.com/

I love Simple Plan and Blink 182!
Outside MTV I doubt you'll find many people who call that kind of thing Punk. I Don't. But I do think it's pretty offensive when people call such things punk bands.
Anyone have any reccomendations of more current 'punk' bands. Current meaning bands that have put out an album in the last 5-ish years
What sort of music are you after? You looking for bands that sing in English? Be a little more specific ;) - And feel free to send me a message if you want to trade some stuff.
Does Ska or Oi! count?
What the heck is that?
Ska isn't punk at all. It's the traditional Skinhead music. Check out Laurel Aitkin if you're interested. Many punk & Oi! Bands have adapted the genre and now play a sort of crossover of Punk, Oi! & Ska. There's several subgenres. Many pop bands have likewise embraced Ska music. The Mighty Mighty Bosstones springs to mind.
Oi! Can be a few different things. Originally it was what Street punk is today (as far as I can tell anyway). But Oi! is also the much slower and more violent Skin/punk music. Typically, Oi! is the shit all the political punkers hate.
According to Yahoo!, No Doubt is ska so YAY FOR SKA!
Yet another reason to firebomb Yahoo! YAY FOR FIREBOMBS! The only Ska song I've ever heard them play was with the Vandals. It's called Oi! To The World.

What the heck is that?

Uh, Ska think punk rock with horns. (some bands: Voodoo Glow Skulls, The Aquabats!, Catch 22, River City Rebels, etc.) And Oi! is traditionally streetpunk but has a bad rap for being the music of choice for skinhead bands. While unfortunate there are non racsist Oi! bands out there. Minor Threat comes to mind.

All punk rock sucks. You can hardly call it music when all they do is abuse guitars and scream.

All punk rock sucks. You can hardly call it music when all they do is abuse guitars and scream.

You must be listening to very little Punk Rock, then.

*is currently listening to Newest Industry by Husker Du*

punk snobs, what an interesting idea that is. ;)

YAY FOR FIREBOMBS!
Just like Nixon!

Uh, Ska think punk rock with horns. (some bands: Voodoo Glow Skulls, The Aquabats!, Catch 22, River City Rebels, etc.) And Oi! is traditionally streetpunk but has a bad rap for being the music of choice for skinhead bands. While unfortunate there are non racsist Oi! bands out there. Minor Threat comes to mind.
Back in the early 80's, punk had a revival. The music changed significantly from the '77 style of bands like The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Ramones.
The new punk music was faster and more aggressive than anything the world had ever seen at that point. The catch-all term for this music is 2nd wave punk.
Anyway, the punk scene back then split in a few different directions. The most notable ones are Hardcore and Oi! Hardcore was the fast, noisy and chaotic bands like Discharge and Disorder. Typically this direction catered to the punkers exclusively.
Oi! Music was more inspired by traditional rock n roll. The music was slower, simpler and usually the message was about getting pissed with the mates, footy and political violence. Your average Oi! Tune is sort of an anthem. The reason for the label (Oi is just the UK way od saying Hey!) was The Cockney Rejetc's song called Oi! Oi! Oi! But the first band to actually be labled an Oi! Band was Sham 69. The Oi! Scene catered more to both Skins & Punks than the Hardcore scene did.
All that said, the differences between Oi! & HC are often more than a bit subtle.

There's been a lot of schisms in the scene, especially between punkers & skinheads. To this day it's a good idea to know what you're getting into if you plan on going to a concert and don't know the local scene.

The RAC & Nazi shit gained massive momentum when Skrewdriver hit the scene. They were an ultra political and nazi Oi! band. RAC (Rock Against Communism) and HateCore (outright nazi bullshit) is currently exploding all over europe. It's an exclusive bonehead thing. And no, there's no way in hell I'll ever call thise daft gits skinheads.
If you - assuming you're a punker - ever find yourself at a RAC/Hatecore show, run like hell. Seriously, a bruised ego is better than a tombstone. If you're a skin, I urge you to infiltrate the bastards, get their home addresses and post them on the web.

Ah, In a way this post saddens me. The it's not punk if I don't like it trend has existed as long as punk has been around.

Punk is about experimentation. as long as a band seems to be doing just that..........like it or not their punk.

Punk I love!
Bauhaus, Black Flag, Devo, The Pixies, Elvis Costello, Yellow, Skinny Puppy, The Dead Kennedys, The Jim Carrol Band, The Beta Band...............

Husker Du is Hardcore through and through, but it's different. It's extremely fast (a lot of their songs average over 200 bpm), yet intricate. It's also highly experimental.

That's to say, it was. They split in 1988...

Back in the early 80's, punk had a revival. The music changed significantly from the '77 style of bands like The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Ramones.
The new punk music was faster and more aggressive than anything the world had ever seen at that point. The catch-all term for this music is 2nd wave punk.
Anyway, the punk scene back then split in a few different directions. The most notable ones are Hardcore and Oi! Hardcore was the fast, noisy and chaotic bands like Discharge and Disorder. Typically this direction catered to the punkers exclusively.
Oi! Music was more inspired by traditional rock n roll. The music was slower, simpler and usually the message was about getting pissed with the mates, footy and political violence. Your average Oi! Tune is sort of an anthem. The reason for the label (Oi is just the UK way od saying Hey!) was The Cockney Rejetc's song called Oi! Oi! Oi! But the first band to actually be labled an Oi! Band was Sham 69. The Oi! Scene catered more to both Skins & Punks than the Hardcore scene did.
All that said, the differences between Oi! & HC are often more than a bit subtle.

There's been a lot of schisms in the scene, especially between punkers & skinheads. To this day it's a good idea to know what you're getting into if you plan on going to a concert and don't know the local scene.

The RAC & Nazi shit gained massive momentum when Skrewdriver hit the scene. They were an ultra political and nazi Oi! band. RAC (Rock Against Communism) and HateCore (outright nazi bullshit) is currently exploding all over europe. It's an exclusive bonehead thing. And no, there's no way in hell I'll ever call thise daft gits skinheads.
If you - assuming you're a punker - ever find yourself at a RAC/Hatecore show, run like hell. Seriously, a bruised ego is better than a tombstone. If you're a skin, I urge you to infiltrate the bastards, get their home addresses and post them on the web.

Yeah im familiar with Skrewdriver. And I dont really go to as many shows as I used to. But living in Atlanta Ive been to my fair share of Anti-Heroes shows, now THATS good music. :D

Yeah im familiar with Skrewdriver. And I dont really go to as many shows as I used to. But living in Atlanta Ive been to my fair share of Anti-Heroes shows, now THATS good music. :D
Anti Heroes is brilliant!! I laughed my ass off when I heard their "Tribute to the Fat Fuck in American History X" Hehe. It's one of the greatest US bands I've ever heard.

But what the fuck is up with that Don't Tread on Me double album? That's gotta be the weirdest release I've seen yet.

Edit: About all that punker snob shit... I don't give a toss. Plastic punk played for the love of money just piss me off. It's the anathema of everything I stand for.
Having said that, if you consider yourself a punker, then that's what you are. If someone disagrees with you and kicks your ass, you're just a punker who desperately needs to learn how to fight.

RAC (Rock Against Communism) and HateCore (outright nazi bullshit) is currently exploding all over europe.

Lets not forget that the term 'hatecore' is not limited solely to the Neo-Nazi circles - it was originally coined by the singer from New York band SFA in the very early 90s to describe their music and became a term for describing groups like them, Rorschach, Citizens Arrest, Born Against and such like - groups who are about as far removed from neo-Nazism as it is possible to be.

Yeah im familiar with Skrewdriver.

Their first LP and couple of 7"ers are corkers - but when the original band split up leaving only that twat Donaldson and some new young bloods their music went down the tubes as soon as they embraced the far-right politics.

Lets not forget that the term 'hatecore' is not limited solely to the Neo-Nazi circles - it was originally coined by the singer from New York band SFA in the very early 90s to describe their music and became a term for describing groups like them, Rorschach, Citizens Arrest, Born Against and such like - groups who are about as far removed from neo-Nazism as it is possible to be.



Their first LP and couple of 7"ers are corkers - but when the original band split up leaving only that twat Donaldson and some new young bloods their music went down the tubes as soon as they embraced the far-right politics.
Despite the fact that I've consistently come off as a know-it-all in this thread (at least in my own eyes), I actually know fuck-all about the finer points of music genres. I like punkrock in general and I live for Oi! & Ska. That's about it. - I just wanted to make that perfectly clear.

Anyway, I was under the impression that Hatecore have been a WP/nazi exclusive for the last 10 years. Feel free to set me straight if I got it wrong.

Anyway, I was under the impression that Hatecore have been a WP/nazi exclusive for the last 10 years. Feel free to set me straight if I got it wrong.

Two totally different styles of music using the same name - much as hardcore punk and hardcore techno are both simply called 'hardcore' by their respective adherents. I just wanted to point out that a band being described as a 'hatecore' band does not automatically mean that they are pro-WP.

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gang of four are great REAL political punk

minor threat isnt oi! for whoever said that. minor threat is pretty much straight out punk rock. and plus, they helped bring about the straight edge hardcore scene.. home to some of my faaaavorite bands ever... anyway, some oi! ain't bad... "heeey skinhead! get your hair cut!!!" hahahahaha

and better yetr.. skrewdriver "WHITE POWER 1 2 3 4.... WHITE POWER FOR ENGLAND, WHITE POWER!!" hahahahahahahahah... what a joke. racism sucks.

and discharge i think someone called them hardcore? i guess thats an OK classification... but if im not mistaken i think theyre actually d-beat... which is very political punk rock closely associated with speed metal... and d-beat is for the most part not from america... best d-beat band ever is skitsystem, from goteburg sweden if im not mistaken... theres also a lot of d-beat from japan. all in all, dbeat rocks... im listening to skitsystem right now... really good stuff.

on a totally different note... does anyone ehre like post-hardcore (the best example being converge) i dont really. but converge aint bad. i think post hardcore is just pretty hilarious. its so random. and the screaming is random. everything is random... whenever i have band practice my drummer is like "hey post hardcore time!" and he'll start doing the crazy most random shit and my guitarist will just be playing high annoying notes and i'll just scream over and over. it's pretty hilarious.

Personally I've never been a big fan of pigeon holing bands...if I like it, I like it - it really doesn't matter much to me if it's harcore, ska, crossover, indy, alt rock, metal, insutrial, goth or whatever else.

I do find it funny, that every music genre, from punk to dance to metal to reggae has fans that will fight to the death over the fact that "this band isn't such-and-such subgenre, it's such-and-such" :p

and discharge i think someone called them hardcore? i guess thats an OK classification... but if im not mistaken i think theyre actually d-beat... which is very political punk rock closely associated with speed metal... and d-beat is for the most part not from america...

Nah. Discharge were a hardcore band. Describing them as D-beat doesn't really make sense as D-beat describes bands who are trying to sound like Discharge (the subgenre being named after Discharge).

im a big fan of the sex pistols

Uh, Ska think punk rock with horns. (some bands: Voodoo Glow Skulls, The Aquabats!, Catch 22, River City Rebels, etc.) And Oi! is traditionally streetpunk but has a bad rap for being the music of choice for skinhead bands. While unfortunate there are non racsist Oi! bands out there. Minor Threat comes to mind.

Real ska actually sounds different than those bands. They are more like ska punk type shit, which is still cool. I personally love the Suicide Machines.

Skinheads =/= Racism. Not at all.

Also, Minor Threat isn't Oi!

Another forum I frequent also just tried to paint skinhead as equalling homophobia/fascism/racism, and that's just bullshit. I know a lot of humanitarian oriented skins, and am proud to call them my friends. In fact, calling them nazis is a good way to get seriously injured.

For the curious or uninformed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

Damnit! Considering there's a hell of a lot more trads and shit than there are boneheads, I just don't get how the fuck the boneheads have managed to give skins such a bad rep?!

Anyway, Ska is a lot of different things. Originally, Ska is stuff like Laurel Aitkin, Desmond Dekker, The Specials & The Skatalites.

There's a ton of subgenres... And really, Ska as such has Nada to do with Punk music. It's like comparing Classical with Britney Spears or something.

discharge doesn't really sound hardcore. but whatever. no matter what they're called, they're freaking amazing.

and i was aware they were the founders of the d-beat... they "started it all"

Discharge is great, but personally I think Disorder blows them away. If you don't know them, I strongly reccomend you check them out.

Discharge is great, but personally I think Disorder blows them away. If you don't know them, I strongly reccomend you check them out.

Disorder's main problem (about from a tendency to alcoholism) is that they continue to play with thrown together line-ups backing up their drummer (the name of whom temporarily escapes me) and so just end up playing really bad cover versions of their own songs.