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When I say real I mean old shit like Cock Sparrer and new stuff like the Dropkick Murphys, not crap likeMy Chemical Romance or Simple Plan.

I love the stuff. Sex Pistols, Ramones, Buzzcocks, The Damned, The Clash, Dead Kennedys... You name it.

When I say real I mean old shit like Cock Sparrer and new stuff like the Dropkick Murphys, not crap likeMy Chemical Romance or Simple Plan.
Lol simple plan rox u stuk up leetist.

...what exactly makes those ones you mentioned not "real" and the other ones you mentioneed "real"?

I've never heard of the ones you called "real". Is that what makes them "real", a small fan base? (I know, I know, just because I haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they have a small fan base)

Are the ones that you said aren't "real", not "real" because they've become mainstream? Were they ever at any point in time a "real" punk rock band?

Are they actually fake punk rock bands? Do they claim to be, and are really something else?

It's obvious you don't mean real as in they exist, because they do.

I can only assume you mean real as in:

Q:How are you?

A:Been keepin' it real.(Am I the only one who has ever wanted to use this in a real conversation?)

I love the stuff. Sex Pistols, Ramones, Buzzcocks, The Damned, The Clash, Dead Kennedys... You name it.

Ditto.

When I say real I mean old shit like Cock Sparrer and new stuff like the Dropkick Murphys, not crap likeMy Chemical Romance or Simple Plan.
I saw cocksparrer at cbgbs about 3 years ago or so.

...what exactly makes those ones you mentioned not "real" and the other ones you mentioneed "real"?

I've never heard of the ones you called "real". Is that what makes them "real", a small fan base? (I know, I know, just because I haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they have a small fan base)

Are the ones that you said aren't "real", not "real" because they've become mainstream? Were they ever at any point in time a "real" punk rock band?

Are they actually fake punk rock bands? Do they claim to be, and are really something else?

It's obvious you don't mean real as in they exist, because they do.

I can only assume you mean real as in:

Q:How are you?

A:Been keepin' it real.(Am I the only one who has ever wanted to use this in a real conversation?)

They're not real Punk Rock because they act as if they "went to school" to learn about the genre. They didn't just decide to start a ban --- it's, "Hey, let's start a Punk Rock band! We'll have mohawks and spikey hair, and we'll only play this (holds up fingers) many chords.". That's not what Punk Rock is.

They're not real Punk Rock because they act as if they "went to school" to learn about the genre. They didn't just decide to start a ban --- it's, "Hey, let's start a Punk Rock band! We'll have mohawks and spikey hair, and we'll only play this (holds up fingers) many chords.". That's not what Punk Rock is.

You're going to have to clarify this for me.

Is this one of those "I hate them because they do it for the money, not the music" things?

You're going to have to clarify this for me.

Is this one of those "I hate them because they do it for the money, not the music" things?

No, I don't like them because they're doing it to act all cool and such. They're ruining a genre that never should've turned out this way.

exactly

Yes, I like very much your, how you say? Backstreet Boys.

I love the stuff too.

Minor Threat, Government Issue, Social Distortion, Bad Brains, Husker Du, The Pogues, Black Flag, The Clash, Fugazi, Fishbone, Suicidal Tendencies, Green Day ............

Not too mention all the the very punkish alternative and grunge - like Jane's Addiction, Nirvana, Screaming Trees, ...

No, I don't like them because they're doing it to act all cool and such. They're ruining a genre that never should've turned out this way.

Oh, I think I get it...kinda.

You think the motivation behind, and the way you go about, making your music counts just as much as the actual music itself?

How are they ruining the genre?

EDIT: The fact that you say that the genre shouldn't have turned out the way it is implies you have some sort of precognitive power that allows you to know where it went wrong.

And don't you have to think about the fact that if the genre had turned out differently, you may not have what bands you have, and love, now.

...what exactly makes those ones you mentioned not "real" and the other ones you mentioneed "real"?

I've never heard of the ones you called "real". Is that what makes them "real", a small fan base? (I know, I know, just because I haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they have a small fan base)

Are the ones that you said aren't "real", not "real" because they've become mainstream? Were they ever at any point in time a "real" punk rock band?

Are they actually fake punk rock bands? Do they claim to be, and are really something else?

It's obvious you don't mean real as in they exist, because they do.

I can only assume you mean real as in:

Q:How are you?

A:Been keepin' it real.(Am I the only one who has ever wanted to use this in a real conversation?)

Your point is well taken: by "real" I ment a real punk rock band. A fake punk rock band is one who plays:
1. to solely make money
2. to be "oh, so hardcore punk"
3. to become popular
4. music that is not punk (a.k.a My Chemical Romance(which is actually an emo ripoff)

I'm not really into hardcore punk; after awhile it all sounds the same to me. I listen to a few punk groups like Atom & His Package and some pop punk like Pink and Green Day.

As it hasn't been mentioned yet.

MC5 rules.

I love the stuff too.

Minor Threat, Government Issue, Social Distortion, Bad Brains, Husker Du, The Pogues, Black Flag, The Clash, Fugazi, Fishbone, Suicidal Tendencies, Green Day ............

Not too mention all the the very punkish alternative and grunge - like Jane's Addiction, Nirvana, Screaming Trees, ...

finally a fellow Pogues fan

i've never been much on the punk scene, but a couple nights ago i went a really awesome show.. the lineup was thus:

damage case
scarred for life
clit 45
lower class brats
the varukers


and holy shit. it was incredible. i'm usually an indie kid, but that show was kickass. i like the stuff better live - canned isn't as good, in my opinion. i've tried to listen to the same stuff and it's not the same.

As it hasn't been mentioned yet.

MC5 rules.

Not Punk Rock... Close, but not quite. Damn good stuff, though. It's on the same scale as Iggy and the Stooges, The Velvet Underground, and the New York Dolls.

i've never been much on the punk scene, but a couple nights ago i went a really awesome show.. the lineup was thus:

damage case
scarred for life
clit 45
lower class brats
the varukers


and holy shit. it was incredible. i'm usually an indie kid, but that show was kickass. i like the stuff better live - canned isn't as good, in my opinion. i've tried to listen to the same stuff and it's not the same.

You saw the Lower Class Brats? Where the hell was this show!?

You saw the Lower Class Brats? Where the hell was this show!?

a little alternative and punk venue in my city.

http://www.emosaustin.com/

Not Punk Rock... Close, but not quite. Damn good stuff, though. It's on the same scale as Iggy and the Stooges, The Velvet Underground, and the New York Dolls.

Oh, quiet, they were punk. Would proto-punk be acceptable?

Oh, quiet, they were punk. Would proto-punk be acceptable?

Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

Propaghandi

a little alternative and punk venue in my city.

http://www.emosaustin.com/

Ah, Austin. Love that place.

Sadly, no Punk Rock exists in the Houston area. It's ripe for a movement, though.

Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

Damn you people. :D

Too many classifications for music.

Damn you people. :D

Too many classifications for music.

Well, it's the way the music sounds. It's not simple enough. Proto-Punk bands and groups were more, shall we say, relaxed.

Even Husker Du is very simple, though it doesn't sound like it (very "economical" guitarwork by Bob Mould).

Well, it's the way the music sounds. It's not simple enough. Proto-Punk bands and groups were more, shall we say, relaxed.

Even Husker Du is very simple, though it doesn't sound like it (very "economical" guitarwork by Bob Mould).

I know, I know.

Let me ask you this, as I've noticed you're quite knowledgeable musically: Would you consider The Who proto-proto-punk?

Why didn't anyone mention NOFX? I recognized most of the punk rock bands mentioned, but I didn't see NOFX. That surprised me.

And am I going to be flamed for this?

Ah, Austin. Love that place.

Sadly, no Punk Rock exists in the Houston area. It's ripe for a movement, though.

no punk in houston? if there was any city in texas other than austin with a punk scene, i'd expect it to be houston... that's really strange. glue up your hawk and get 'er rollin!

Damn you people. :D

Too many classifications for music.

I mostly don't give a shit about the classifications or labels.

There is good music and crap, with some borderline stuff.

Distinquishing real bands from crap -- like real punk from posers -- is one thing.

But this "pure punk" versus other punk-related music is anal-retentive snobbery.

One could well argue that the The Clash isn't really very punk. And the Sex Pistols were a joke and in it for the money.

(Potaria's blood pressure was probably rising throughout this post, I hope that last sentence doesn't cause damage)

The real thing is whether the band/artists have any real talent and whether the music is any good. (And sometimes whether they put on a good show -- but that should not take a backseat to the music.)

That is my $0.02.

And am I going to be flamed for this?
Oh dear god yes. "Real punks" hate nofx!

Oh dear god yes. "Real punks" hate nofx!
I hate the internet. If you were here, I could see if you were just messing with me.

I hate the internet. If you were here, I could see if you were just messing with me.
No I am serious. Real punks-- the ones with crazy face tattoos and track marks running up and down their arms--hate nofx and other bands that aren't all about anarchy, being pissed of all the time, being all addicted to heroin and DIY till death and all that blah blah blah...

No I am serious. Real punks-- the ones with crazy face tattoos and track marks running up and down their arms--hate nofx and other bands that aren't all about anarchy, being pissed of all the time, being all addicted to heroin and DIY till death and all that blah blah blah...
hmmm... Well, then fuck real punks. I like NOFX.

hmmm... Well, then fuck real punks. I like NOFX.
Are they still funny??? Last time I checked they tried to be all political and boring. I still have "I heard they suck live" and punk in drublic somewhere under my bed but havent listened to them for a while.

Are they still funny??? Last time I checked they tried to be all political and boring. I still have "I heard they suck live" and punk in drublic somewhere under my bed but havent listened to them for a while.
Hmm...
Well, they haven't had any new albums that I can think of off the top of my head since War on Errorism.

Except for their greatest hits CD.

Ditto to the person above. I do like NOFX

I go to shows a lot at various venues throughout the Boston area. I find that there are a lot of good bands with great musicians and very talented, and others that just suck. I think Punk Rock is more about the music and expressing yourself and having fun and NOT about getting your ass kicked while kicking the shit out of others in pits. Although I do enjoy pits. People also tend to start being real bitchy about bands of other genres and people they say are "posing." Green Day, for example, is bashed a lot by the "Hardcore Punk" scene. They are for the most part, great musicians and play for the fans. My only critique of them is that their songs are really simple and I've yet to be proven that they are top notch musicians.

Oh and yes, I do love those Punk bands, Clash, Sex Pistols, RAMONES. But, at heart, I'm more of a ska kid
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Yup. Need a daily dose of Crass, The Forgotten Rebels, Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Calsh or some otyher such fun and loud music. DIY ethics are a great thing in ANY music though, IMHO. especially if loud and genrally distortion drenched.

i've never been much on the punk scene, but a couple nights ago i went a really awesome show.. the lineup was thus:

damage case
scarred for life
clit 45
lower class brats
the varukers


and holy shit. it was incredible. i'm usually an indie kid, but that show was kickass. i like the stuff better live - canned isn't as good, in my opinion. i've tried to listen to the same stuff and it's not the same.

Clit 45 are indeed awesome live and their singer, Dave, is cool too. At least I think his name is Dave, I kinda forget.

But anyway, yeah I'm into punk although not so much as I used to be. Dead Kennedys own my soul though.

Yup. Need a daily dose of Crass, The Forgotten Rebels, Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Calsh or some otyher such fun and loud music. DIY ethics are a great thing in ANY music though, IMHO. especially if loud and genrally distortion drenched.
crass will always be the purest form of punk rock ever.

I know, I know.

Let me ask you this, as I've noticed you're quite knowledgeable musically: Would you consider The Who proto-proto-punk?

The Who were Mod, dude, and yes, they can be considered Proto-Punk, because they influenced the Sex Pistols.

crass will always be the purest form of punk rock ever.

No.

crass will always be the purest form of punk rock ever.

HAHAHAHA!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA!

Excuse me, but... HAHAHA!

Sorry. Getting to the point: No. NO MELODY WHATSOEVER. I've got nothing against them, but pure Punk Rock has melody, and those great 1950's Rock riffs. Crass had none of the above.

HAHAHAHA!

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA!

Excuse me, but... HAHAHA!

Sorry. Getting to the point: No. NO MELODY WHATSOEVER. I've got nothing against them, but pure Punk Rock has melody, and those great 1950's Rock riffs. Crass had none of the above.
Punk vomits on your bourgeious 1950s doo-wop trash!

Crass were just loud and crappy. Fun once in a while but not pure punk or the greatest punk band, not even close.

I'd say Minor Threat is as pure punk as you can get.

No I am serious. Real punks-- the ones with crazy face tattoos and track marks running up and down their arms--hate nofx and other bands that aren't all about anarchy, being pissed of all the time, being all addicted to heroin and DIY till death and all that blah blah blah...

Lol. Those aren't "Real Punks", unless you mean they're "real dickheads".

Those are posers, plain and simple.

What do we call Elvis Costello?

New Wave

What do we call Elvis Costello?
His first ablum was punk, sort of.

What do we call Elvis Costello?

Not too sure. Haven't listened to enough of his stuff to really make a statement, but from what I've heard, it's too mellow. Way too mellow.

Punk vomits on your bourgeious 1950s doo-wop trash!

Punk Rock was influenced by 1950's music, as well as 1960's Bubblegum Pop and Mod Rock. Get over it.

Punk Rock was influenced by 1950's music, as well as 1960's Bubblegum Pop and Mod Rock. Get over it.
Crass rules get over it!

Not too sure. Haven't listened to enough of his stuff to really make a statement, but from what I've heard, it's too mellow. Way too mellow.

See, and there are some people who would definately call him at least proto-punk, if not actual punk. Stupid classifications.

Crass were just loud and crappy. Fun once in a while but not pure punk or the greatest punk band, not even close.

I'd say Minor Threat is as pure punk as you can get.

Minor Threat is up there.

Black Flag, D.R.I., JFA, Social Distortion, Circle Jerks

Put the question is still pretty relative and silly.

I don't know who the f*** crass is. So they can't be that big.

Minor Threat is up there.


I never trust a band who's primary purpose is to spread anti drug, alcohol and sex propoganda.

But this "pure punk" versus other punk-related music is anal-retentive snobbery.

One could well argue that the The Clash isn't really very punk. And the Sex Pistols were a joke and in it for the money.

(Potaria's blood pressure was probably rising throughout this post, I hope that last sentence doesn't cause damage)

1: It isn't snobbery. It's separating the good from the shitty.

2: The Clash are actually very Punk Rock, mixed with a heavy dose of Reggae. It's a shame they sold out in 1982, though.

3: Read up on the Pistols, Cat. I know you're just pulling this out of your ass, so I'm not pissed off or anything. Malcolm McLaren was a nobody who was out for fame and fortune, and what he did to the Pistols with his "I created it all" bullshit ended up backfiring and destroying his image. The Filth And The Fury is a very good documentary on how the band REALLY was. Watch it.

See, and there are some people who would definately call him at least proto-punk, if not actual punk. Stupid classifications.

Yeah, which is why I said I can't say, as I've not really listened to his stuff. I haven't even heard his early stuff.

no punk in houston? if there was any city in texas other than austin with a punk scene, i'd expect it to be houston... that's really strange. glue up your hawk and get 'er rollin!

Mohawks suck, man.

Crass were just loud and crappy. Fun once in a while but not pure punk or the greatest punk band, not even close.

I'd say Minor Threat is as pure punk as you can get.

pure punk these days has a nice rough edge. take the dropkick murphy's, operation ivy (i can't believe no one has mentioned them yet), early rancid... there really isn't anything wrong with punk variations like pop-punk, but most of what's out today sucks the casbah (like blink 182). the one's who have done it well i'd say are NOFX, screeching weasel, sicko, and early green day. whether it's good or not has little to do with intentions. the police started their career in punk because they thought it would make them some cash. they were wrong and changed their style, but the music was pretty damn good.

Mohawks suck, man.
I think they're hot. :fluffle:

Faux-hawks piss me off, though, except on little babies, and then it's just adorable.

Minor Threat is up there.

Black Flag, D.R.I., JFA, Social Distortion, Circle Jerks

Put the question is still pretty relative and silly.

I don't know who the f*** crass is. So they can't be that big.

It depends who is singing for Black Flag. Personally I don't like Keith Morris in the Flag but he's awesome in the Circle Jerks. D.R.I are alright but they get boring after awhile. JFA are fun. I don't like Social Distortion, never have really.

Crass is a pretty famous anarcho punk band, they were up there with Conflict.

I think they're hot. :fluffle:

Faux-hawks piss me off, though, except on little babies, and then it's just adorable.

That's to say, they suck when they're on my head. I'd look like a total dork with a mohawk.

I never trust a band who's primary purpose is to spread anti drug, alcohol and sex propoganda.

Yeah, I don't agree with their anti-drug message (since when are they anti-sex?) but they did make some fucking awesome punk rock.

That's to say, they suck when they're on my head. I'd look like a total dork with a mohawk.
I think I'd look hideous w/ one. Besides, I love my long, rich, healthy hair.

I think I'd look hideous w/ one. Besides, I love my long, rich, healthy hair.

I love my long, thick, messy hair.

Lol simple plan rox u stuk up leetist.

simple plan is one of the crapiest, whiny, pop-punk bands ive ever heard.

i agree people have lost the feel for real punk rock today. rancid is a good melodic one, characterized by the typical 1 - 2 minute sprees of real punk.

I love my long, thick, messy hair.
I have a curly Italian dude-fro which precludes many punk rock rock hair styles :(

I love my long, thick, messy hair.
Mine is that, too. :D

And stubborn! I'll brush my hair, and then 10 minutes later, it'll be tangled! :eek:

See, and there are some people who would definately call him at least proto-punk, if not actual punk. Stupid classifications.

Agreed.

OK, purists -- classify these:
Butthole Surfers
Camper Van Beethoven
Meat Puppets
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Pixies
Echo and the Bunnymen
Jane's Addiction
Prodigy
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Sonic Youth
Fishbone
Adam Ant
Sublime
Shane MacGowan & the Popes
Cracker
The Cramps
The Stranglers
Jesus & Mary Chain
X
Mudhoney
Soundgarden
Devo
Lords of the New Church
Faith No More
Madness
The Offspring
Violent Femmes
The Call
Porno for Pyros

Mohawks suck, man.

i think they're hot

simple plan is one of the crapiest, whiny, pop-punk bands ive ever heard.

i agree people have lost the feel for real punk rock today. rancid is a good melodic one, characterized by the typical 1 - 2 minute sprees of real punk.
Yes, Simple Plan gets a 10 on the Scale O' Suck. (1 being minimal suckage, 10 being the suckiest suck in the suckiverse) Their vocals are so affected, and their lyrics are, well, disturbing. (It's almost as though they believe they're 8 years old or something!)

I never trust a band who's primary purpose is to spread anti drug, alcohol and sex propoganda.

Well, I don't distrust them. But I don't buy the Straight Edge shit.

Nor do I buy anything Murphy's Law says, but the skinhead fuckers are real punk.

I think they're hot. :fluffle:

Faux-hawks piss me off, though, except on little babies, and then it's just adorable.

seconded. faux-hawkers... ah.

i love babyhawks!
those are awesome.

except i always wonder about the guys who glue theirs up... how do they sleep? or the guys with double hawks that go out like \ / .. how do any of them deal with laying down?

(since when are they anti-sex?)
I was under the impression that they were one of the group of straight-edgers who were into abstinence and such.
(I) Don't smoke
Don't drink
Don't fuck
At least I can fucking think



Abstinance is a bit too kinky for me, personally.

Agreed.

OK, purists -- classify these:
Butthole Surfers
Camper Van Beethoven
Meat Puppets
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Pixies
Echo and the Bunnymen
Jane's Addiction
Prodigy
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Sonic Youth
Fishbone
Adam Ant
Sublime
Shane MacGowan & the Popes
Cracker
The Cramps
The Stranglers
Jesus & Mary Chain
X
Mudhoney
Soundgarden
Devo
Lords of the New Church
Faith No More
Madness
The Offspring
Violent Femmes
The Call
Porno for Pyros
Not punk
Violent Femmes
The Call
Porno for Pyro
Butthole Surfers
Camper Van Beethoven
Meat Puppets
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Pixies
Echo and the Bunnyme
Sort of Punk
Madness
Fishbone
Punk
X
The Cramps
The Stranglers

Not punk
Violent Femmes
The Call
Porno for Pyro
Butthole Surfers
Camper Van Beethoven
Meat Puppets
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Pixies
Echo and the Bunnyme
Sort of Punk
Madness
Fishbone
Punk
X
The Cramps
The Stranglers
Yeah, Hole isn't punk, just kick ass.

simple plan is one of the crapiest, whiny, pop-punk bands ive ever heard.

i agree people have lost the feel for real punk rock today. rancid is a good melodic one, characterized by the typical 1 - 2 minute sprees of real punk.

i agree with you, but i think the first guy was kidding?

I'm mostly into emo, but I like some punk, bands like Ottawa, Crass, Aus Rotten, Leftover Crack, Discharge, Minor Threat, Left For Dead... shit like that. :p

simple plan is one of the crapiest, whiny, pop-punk bands ive ever heard.

i agree people have lost the feel for real punk rock today. rancid is a good melodic one, characterized by the typical 1 - 2 minute sprees of real punk.

whoops im gonn ahave to disagree with myself a little bit. rancid is actually a little bit of ska and punk. sublime is kinda the same way.

They're not real Punk Rock because they act as if they "went to school" to learn about the genre. They didn't just decide to start a ban --- it's, "Hey, let's start a Punk Rock band! We'll have mohawks and spikey hair, and we'll only play this (holds up fingers) many chords.". That's not what Punk Rock is.
That's such a fuckin' Stereotype... Bitch!!!

1: It isn't snobbery. It's separating the good from the shitty.

2: The Clash are actually very Punk Rock, mixed with a heavy dose of Reggae. It's a shame they sold out in 1982, though.

3: Read up on the Pistols, Cat. I know you're just pulling this out of your ass, so I'm not pissed off or anything. Malcolm McLaren was a nobody who was out for fame and fortune, and what he did to the Pistols with his "I created it all" bullshit ended up backfiring and destroying his image. The Filth And The Fury is a very good documentary on how the band REALLY was. Watch it.

1. You aren't just separating good from bad, but making all these mini-categories. Why pigeon hole groups into categories that are so narrow (yet ambiguous)?

2. I agree the The Clash are very Punk. I just said you could argue they aren't.

3. I am well-informed about the Pistols. I've seen TFATF. More than once. I have the soundtrack, as well as Never Mind the Bullock and The Great Rock 'N' Roll Swindle. I loved Sid & Nancy. I think Lydon is truly talented. I like P.I.L. as well. But, as I said, many of the same things could be said about the Pistols that are said about other groups.

But attacking The Clash and The Pistols was really just to irritate you.

My main point is I don't fuss over the categories.

Agreed.

OK, purists -- classify these:
Butthole Surfers
Camper Van Beethoven
Meat Puppets
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Pixies
Echo and the Bunnymen
Jane's Addiction
Prodigy
Siouxsie and the Banshees *
Sonic Youth *
Fishbone
Adam Ant
Sublime
Shane MacGowan & the Popes (Pogues)
Cracker
The Cramps
The Stranglers
Jesus & Mary Chain
X *
Mudhoney (I love mudhoney, but they were the beginning of grunge.)
Soundgarden
Devo
Lords of the New Church
Faith No More
Madness
The Offspring
Violent Femmes
The Call
Porno for Pyros

I was a Punk Rock DJ for several years. A lot of this is not punk, and a lot of punk no one has heard of... I'll just put a star next to the YES punk in your quote... Most of this is NOT punk and some of the stuff I starred is iffy. I DO know my punk rock... very well...

Only those three... ;)


OOps I misread the query... I didn't classify the others... I'll probably do that though. :p

Yeah, I don't agree with their anti-drug message (since when are they anti-sex?)


"Out Of Step (with the world)"

(I) Don't smoke
Don't drink
Don't fuck
At least I can fucking think

I can't keep up,
Can't keep up
Can't keep up
Out of step with the world


but they did make some fucking awesome punk rock.

Damn straight.

(Pun!)

1. You aren't just separating good from bad, but making all these mini-categories. Why pigeon hole groups into categories that are so narrow (yet ambiguous)?p

Well, the thing is, I'm not the one who started said mini-categories. If things were my way, the categorisation would be a lot more concise. Less clutter and more getting to the point. Still, there are thresholds for everything, even in music.

2. I agree the The Clash are very Punk. I just said you could argue they aren't.

True.

3. I am well-informed about the Pistols. I've seen TFATF. More than once. I have the soundtrack, as well as Never Mind the Bullock and The Great Rock 'N' Roll Swindle. I loved Sid & Nancy. I think Lydon is truly talented. I like P.I.L. as well. But, as I said, many of the same things could be said about the Pistols that are said about other groups.

Well, first of all, it's Never Mind The Bollocks. Second... Sid and Nancy is hardly an accurate depiction of the way things were in those days, and an even less-accurate depiction of Sid and Nancy themselves. Just had to say something about that.

But attacking The Clash and The Pistols was really just to irritate you.

Well, that didn't work very well, did it? :p

My main point is I don't fuss over the categories.

I don't like to, either, but sometimes, you've gotta do what you've gotta do.

I was a full-on hardcore punk for a few years, with kaos spikes, red leopard skin bondage pants and a leather jacket 100% covered with studs... I've still got the clothes lying around... but now than I'm a student, socialist activist and am working, I haven't got much time to be lazing 'round, smoking cones and going to every Deputy Dipshit gig listed in Time Out. I'm going to a Pure Evil/Toxic Lipstick gig tonight, though...

My records are all from Europe... grindcore, crust, hardcore, apocalypse, etc... Agathocles from Belgium, Kaaos from Finland, Totalitar from Sweden, Malignant Tumour from the Czech Republic, Doom from the UK, Clusterbombunit and Dekadent from Germany, Tampere SS from Lithuania... check 'em out! Also check out Machinethatflashes, Discharge, Schifosi, Petrograd, Okotta, Concrete Sox, Poison Idea, Disagree, The Exploited, Draft Dodger, Tragedy, Ungovern-Mental, The Birthday Party, Silmaosato, Cornucopia, Viimeinen Kolonna, Electlic TV, Battle of Idea, R.A.M.B.O., The Adicts, Axiom, Toxic Narcotic, Distraught, Thulsa Doom, Disorder and Vomit Fall.

To order any of this awesome shit, go to the Profane Existence site (just type it into google). If they don't have it, go to their links, hardcore Holocaust probably has it.
My last band was a parody of the lack of creativity in the local scene... Agents of Hatred in the New Age of Disfunctionality... we fed all the most used words in hardcore songs into a computer and had it randomly generate songs for us... we had lyrics like "Filth in the creation of another regime/hypocricy fills slaughterous liars with slander/ecoholocaust and nazi disrespect, where will it end/give us a newborn Aufschwitz for the creation of chaos front!"... and we dressed in gas masks and in between songs, spoke in bullshit Swedish, proclaiming that 'you're not punk unless you can speak fluent Swedish!'.

Christina

I was a Punk Rock DJ for several years. A lot of this is not punk, and a lot of punk no one has heard of... I'll just put a star next to the YES punk in your quote... Most of this is NOT punk and some of the stuff I starred is iffy. I DO know my punk rock... very well...

Only those three... ;)


OOps I misread the query... I didn't classify the others... I'll probably do that though. :p

I'd quibble a little about whether some are or aren't punk. But I mostly think they are all punkish. Moreoever, many defy categories. (And they are all groups I like to some degree or another -- many a lot.)

Just to be clear, I listed a bunch of real punk that I like in a couple earlier posts.

But why not Butthole Surfers, Faith No More, and Cracker not punk?

Why is Siouxsie punk, but not Echo or Jesus & Mary Chain?

And Shane MacGowan is less punkish with The Pogues than with the Popes. Is he still punk?

My main point was just that the caterogization breaks down. It is only useful as a rough rule of thumb.

(Heh, heh. I also wanted to stir the shit. :D )

...and Madness is a ska band, you moron.

Not punk
Violent Femmes
The Call
Porno for Pyro
Butthole Surfers
Camper Van Beethoven
Meat Puppets
Nine Inch Nails
Hole
Pixies
Echo and the Bunnyme
Sort of Punk
Madness
Fishbone
Punk
X
The Cramps
The Stranglers


X, The Cramps, and The Stranglers are more punk than Butthole Surfers, the Pixies, and the Meat Puppets?

Pourquoi?

The Clash
The Sex Pistols
The Ramones
NOFX
Anti Flag (They've gone major, oh well, do I give a shit, nope. FUCK IT IF THEY "SOLD OUT" They don't give one fuck either.)
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
DEAD MOTHERFUCKING KENNEDYS!!!! (It's a shame they can't along... It would be fucking awsome if they got back together again)
Mission of Burma (ok, they were post-punk... but they influenced the emo genre alot and crap)
Black Flag
Crass
The Unseen
The Casualites
Minor Threat
Fugazi


Ok... here's some of the bands that I'm gonna be critcized for liking BUT FUCK YOU!
Green Day
Good Charlotte (YES LAUGH DAMN IT LAUGH! LAUGH YOU COCKSUCKING FUCKERS!)
Sum 41
Blink 182

I'd quibble a little about whether some are or aren't punk. But I mostly think they are all punkish. Moreoever, many defy categories. (And they are all groups I like to some degree or another -- many a lot.)

Yes, especially Devo. Devo is a lot like PIL in the category sense. They're next to impossible to categorise.

But why not Butthole Surfers, Faith No More, and Cracker not punk?

Butthole Surfers are great, and yes, they're quite Punk. They just have a lot of influences from other genres, like The Clash. Faith No More definitely has Punk influences (some Buzzcocks can be heard in some of their songs).

Why is Siouxsie punk, but not Echo or Jesus & Mary Chain?

Echo and the Bunnymen have Punk Rock influences. I think of them as Post-Punk. I've not heard Jesus & Mary Chain, so I can't say what they are.

My main point was just that the caterogization breaks down. It is only useful as a rough rule of thumb.

That's 100% correct.

(Heh, heh. I also wanted to stir the shit. :D )

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that ;).

The Clash
The Sex Pistols
The Ramones
NOFX
Anti Flag (They've gone major, oh well, do I give a shit, nope. FUCK IT IF THEY "SOLD OUT" They don't give one fuck either.)
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
DEAD MOTHERFUCKING KENNEDYS!!!! (It's a shame they can't along... It would be fucking awsome if they got back together again)
Mission of Burma (ok, they were post-punk... but they influenced the emo genre alot and crap)
Black Flag
Crass
The Unseen
The Casualites

Ok... here's some of the bands that I'm gonna be critcized for liking BUT FUCK YOU!
Green Day
Good Charlotte (YES LAUGH DAMN IT LAUGH!)
Sum 41
Blink 182
I will. The lead singer of Good Charlotte is (or was) dating... Hilary Duff! :eek: I'm glad I found out about that. It woke me up. They sound exactly like Simple Plan, too, and their lyrics leave much to be desired. Overall 9.85 on the Suckometer.

Does ANYONE here listen to Kaaos????

I was a full-on hardcore punk for a few years, with kaos spikes, red leopard skin bondage pants and a leather jacket 100% covered with studs... I've still got the clothes lying around... but now than I'm a student, socialist activist and am working, I haven't got much time to be lazing 'round, smoking cones and going to every Deputy Dipshit gig listed in Time Out. I'm going to a Pure Evil/Toxic Lipstick gig tonight, though...

My records are all from Europe... grindcore, crust, hardcore, apocalypse, etc... Agathocles from Belgium, Kaaos from Finland, Totalitar from Sweden, Malignant Tumour from the Czech Republic, Doom from the UK, Clusterbombunit and Dekadent from Germany, Tampere SS from Lithuania... check 'em out! Also check out Machinethatflashes, Discharge, Schifosi, Petrograd, Okotta, Concrete Sox, Poison Idea, Disagree, The Exploited, Draft Dodger, Tragedy, Ungovern-Mental, The Birthday Party, Silmaosato, Cornucopia, Viimeinen Kolonna, Electlic TV, Battle of Idea, R.A.M.B.O., The Adicts, Axiom, Toxic Narcotic, Distraught, Thulsa Doom, Disorder and Vomit Fall.

To order any of this awesome shit, go to the Profane Existence site (just type it into google). If they don't have it, go to their links, hardcore Holocaust probably has it.
My last band was a parody of the lack of creativity in the local scene... Agents of Hatred in the New Age of Disfunctionality... we fed all the most used words in hardcore songs into a computer and had it randomly generate songs for us... we had lyrics like "Filth in the creation of another regime/hypocricy fills slaughterous liars with slander/ecoholocaust and nazi disrespect, where will it end/give us a newborn Aufschwitz for the creation of chaos front!"... and we dressed in gas masks and in between songs, spoke in bullshit Swedish, proclaiming that 'you're not punk unless you can speak fluent Swedish!'.

Christina


I'm a straight girl. but wow. you are love.

Well, first of all, it's Never Mind The Bollocks. Second... Sid and Nancy is hardly an accurate depiction of the way things were in those days, and an even less-accurate depiction of Sid and Nancy themselves. Just had to say something about that.

Typo. My humble apologies. My point about Sid & Nancy, which I didn't make clear was that I saw it when it first came out.

I think I've been a Pistols's fan longer than you've been alive. :D

Yeah, Hole isn't punk, just kick ass.


The Cramps aren't punk, although I love them..

Neither are the Stranglers.

Punk is Circle Jerks, The Damned, Husker Du, Pistols, Clash, UK Subs, Wire, MDC, Dead Kennedys, Pailhead, Iggy Pop (early stuff), Ramones, Adrenaline OD, Descendants, Black Flag (adore), New York Dolls, GBH, Seven Seconds, D.I., Television, Ian Dury, Richard Hell, Verbal Abuse, The Ruts, Sham 69, Subhumanz, Suicidal Tendencies, Dickies, Angelic Upstarts, Patti Smith, Minute Men, Zero Boys, and such... ;)

Typo. My humble apologies. My point about Sid & Nancy, which I didn't make clear was that I saw it when it first came out.

I think I've been a Pistols's fan longer than you've been alive. :D

I love John Lydon. We have a lot of P.I.L too.. :)

Thanks Avia!

I personally don't like the Pistols that much. Call me an ultra-PC fuck, but I dissaprove of their chauvinistic and anti-abortion stance... their best (sounding) song, Bodies, was as anti-feminist as you can get. I far prefer Johnny Rotten's 2nd band, Public Image Limited, some of their songs, like, The Order of Death, are legendary.

im young i feel as if i missed out on punk, doya think there be honest and pure and true music for anarchists and cynicist and people who like pogoin again?

I've been a fan of punk for at least 20 years.

I listed real punk band I really like in my first couple of posts.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9176804&postcount=12

I love the stuff too.

Minor Threat, Government Issue, Social Distortion, Bad Brains, Husker Du, The Pogues, Black Flag, The Clash, Fugazi, Fishbone, Suicidal Tendencies, Green Day ............

Not too mention all the the very punkish alternative and grunge - like Jane's Addiction, Nirvana, Screaming Trees, ...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9176964&postcount=55

Minor Threat is up there.

Black Flag, D.R.I., JFA, Social Distortion, Circle Jerks

Put the question is still pretty relative and silly.

I don't know who the f*** crass is. So they can't be that big.

The point of the the third list was not that I think those groups are all punk -- let alone pure or hard punk -- but that they are punk-ish. I do think some are clearly punk. And some that people will say aren't punk are very similar to groups that people say are punk.

The point was that lots of the lines people are drawing saying "that is punk" and "that is not" are pretty damn arbitrary. It was a test, not an affirmative statement. Get it?

The Clash
The Sex Pistols
The Ramones
NOFX
Anti Flag (They've gone major, oh well, do I give a shit, nope. FUCK IT IF THEY "SOLD OUT" They don't give one fuck either.)
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
DEAD MOTHERFUCKING KENNEDYS!!!! (It's a shame they can't along... It would be fucking awsome if they got back together again)
Mission of Burma (ok, they were post-punk... but they influenced the emo genre alot and crap)
Black Flag
Crass
The Unseen
The Casualites
Minor Threat
Fugazi


Ok... here's some of the bands that I'm gonna be critcized for liking BUT FUCK YOU!
Green Day
Good Charlotte (YES LAUGH DAMN IT LAUGH! LAUGH YOU COCKSUCKING FUCKERS!)
Sum 41
Blink 182


I forgot half of those!!! And I have a lot of it on Vinyl... Some of you may not know what that is... :p

I've been a fan of punk for at least 20 years.

I listed real punk band I really like in my first couple of posts.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9176804&postcount=12



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9176964&postcount=55



The point of the the third list was not that I think those groups are all punk -- let alone pure or hard punk -- but that they are punk-ish. I do think some are clearly punk. And some that people will say aren't punk are very similar to groups that people say are punk.

The point was that lots of the lines people are drawing saying "that is punk" and "that is not" are pretty damn arbitrary. It was a test, not an affirmative statement. Get it?

Ack! I sat and hung out w/Mike Ness after a show and he wanted my friend and I to party w/them after the gig, and my friend wouldn't go! I could have killed her!!!!!

The Screaming Trees are one of my fav bands. I list to them almost every day.

The Pogues are a post punk almost 'novelty' sound. I love the Jesus and Mary Chain and the BHSurfers, etc., but they're a post-punk sound. Not the same. Sort of like Gen X is punk, but Billy Idol isn't...

You stirred well! :P

Thanks Avia!

I personally don't like the Pistols that much. Call me an ultra-PC fuck, but I dissaprove of their chauvinistic and anti-abortion stance... their best (sounding) song, Bodies, was as anti-feminist as you can get. I far prefer Johnny Rotten's 2nd band, Public Image Limited, some of their songs, like, The Order of Death, are legendary.

I'm very much into political music. It is part of why I like punk, but I can get over disagreements -- even strong ones -- with good bands.

Minor Threat rules and Ian is a God, but "Guilty of Being White" is BS (as is the straight-edge nonsense). Fugazi skips the politics and has its superiorities, but you can't beat MT's raw emotion.

Murphy's Law are racist skinhead facist f***ers, but they are pretty amusing and do rock.

It isn't always the actual statements in the lyrics, but the emotion and the sentiment.

Thanks Avia!

I personally don't like the Pistols that much. Call me an ultra-PC fuck, but I dissaprove of their chauvinistic and anti-abortion stance... their best (sounding) song, Bodies, was as anti-feminist as you can get. I far prefer Johnny Rotten's 2nd band, Public Image Limited, some of their songs, like, The Order of Death, are legendary.

LOL, you took Bodies seriously? Dude, John Lydon's as pro-civil liberties as anyone can get. The band even said it was written as part shock joke, part fact (they knew a girl named Pauline from Birmingham. Total nutcase).

Thanks Avia!

I personally don't like the Pistols that much. Call me an ultra-PC fuck, but I dissaprove of their chauvinistic and anti-abortion stance... their best (sounding) song, Bodies, was as anti-feminist as you can get. I far prefer Johnny Rotten's 2nd band, Public Image Limited, some of their songs, like, The Order of Death, are legendary.

The Order of Death is one of my absolute favorite songs...

Oh, I forgot the Misfits! :D

Cat... I've been a fan as long as you have... ;)

I'm very much into political music. It is part of why I like punk, but I can get over disagreements -- even strong ones -- with good bands.

Minor Threat rules and Ian is a God, but "Guilty of Being White" is BS (as is the straight-edge nonsense). Fugazi skips the politics and has its superiorities, but you can't beat MT's raw emotion.

Murphy's Law are racist skinhead facist f***ers, but they are pretty amusing and do rock.

It isn't always the actual statements in the lyrics, but the emotion and the sentiment.


Like a lot of the Oi bands...

I got a free backstage ticket to the Anti-Flag gig here in Bisbane earlier this year... I was the only one there with a mohawk! I was tempted to stage a walkout when they sang a song that was totally against CRASS. Nobody, but NOBODY, criticises CRASS. After the anarchist revolution, criticising CRASS's stunning musical talent will be punishable by DEATH.

Joe Strummer was a legend, shame about the other sell-out wankers. The Ramones are wimps... 'oo-oo, now I wanna sniff some glue'... what about the CLASS WAR, you pansies!?

Good Charlotte, Snoop Dogg, Blink 18-Lame, Avril Lavatory and whatever the fuck else you want to pretend is punk don't play to change the world, they don't sing about smashing fascism, sexism, racism, capitalism, anything that counts! They sing about jacking off into a sock or some bullshit, for Christ's sake. They are sell-out poseurs who are the enemies of all self-respecting people who refuse to conform to this whole g-string-mini-skirt-fake-tan-pansy-crap scene that exists in the mainstream right now.

Punk? I live for it :)

The commercial shit get's called all sorts of shit by punkers everywhere. Mostly people can't really articulate what the problem is other than they're wankers, cheapening the culture.

I'm not too sure I myself can explain it, but I'll give it a shot. Punk is not something you can. It's something you can't help.

Cock Sparrer sucks arse though. The guy sounded like a eunuch.
Like someone else said, The Madness was a Ska band.

Anyway, any of you like Oi!?

Oi's okay, but frankly sometimes I'd rather drive red-hot needles through my eyes than listen to it. The whole 'I like getting stoned, I like getting laid, I like getting pissed, oi oi oi!' thing can get tedious. Let's have some real talent, guys!

Christina

What do we call Elvis Costello?

Oliver's Army was punk, at least it was regarde as punk in West London at the time of it's release. If the post punk punks want to deny that it, then they can, but it was as punk at the time as anything else.

What about the Jam?

I got a free backstage ticket to the Anti-Flag gig here in Bisbane earlier this year... I was the only one there with a mohawk! I was tempted to stage a walkout when they sang a song that was totally against CRASS. Nobody, but NOBODY, criticises CRASS. After the anarchist revolution, criticising CRASS's stunning musical talent will be punishable by DEATH.

Joe Strummer was a legend, shame about the other sell-out wankers. The Ramones are wimps... 'oo-oo, now I wanna sniff some glue'... what about the CLASS WAR, you pansies!?

Good Charlotte, Snoop Dogg, Blink 18-Lame, Avril Lavatory and whatever the fuck else you want to pretend is punk don't play to change the world, they don't sing about smashing fascism, sexism, racism, capitalism, anything that counts! They sing about jacking off into a sock or some bullshit, for Christ's sake. They are sell-out poseurs who are the enemies of all self-respecting people who refuse to conform to this whole g-string-mini-skirt-fake-tan-pansy-crap scene that exists in the mainstream right now.


I don't believe punk has to be about the politics... mostly the music. And for those that think the Cramps are punk? Give it a good listen... They DO sound like Elvis, only way cooler... :D

Are the Bouncing Souls a racist/skinhead band, or are they just classic Street/Oi? I really like the way they sound, and I just wanna make sure, because a lot of bands like this seem to be really insane.

Oliver's Army was punk, at least it was regarde as punk in West London at the time of it's release. If the post punk punks want to deny that it, then they can, but it was as punk at the time as anything else.

What about the Jam?


I'd call the Jam punk. Elvis Costello started out far more raw than he is now and was considered punk for a period of time.

I used to listen to some Oi and play it on my radio show, but was never really heavily into it.

I forgot to mention the Replacements. They were GODS!

I love Fishbone, but they are a hell of a weird mix of weirdness! They're like one of my other favorite bands ever, defies all genres: Morphine.

I used to be really into Oi! The Partisans were and still are my favorite Oi! band although they are closely followed by the Angelic Upstarts and the Business.

Anyway my favorite punk bands are:

Dead Kennedys, Adolescents, Reagan Youth (My top three, in that order), Minor Threat, Bad Brains, GBH, Discharge, Clash, Broken Bones, etc.

As for the Minor Threat and no sex, they are against promiscuous sex, but not against "making love."

Oh yeah, and the Sex Pistols suck.

Yeah yeah, sure, I like bands like I spit On Your Gravy who sing about raping nuns, pizzas and butchering little children with chainsaws, but they are in reality still creative individuals who retain a strong leftist standpoint. When bands are completely devoid of any political viewpoint, they are worthless bootlickers of the current regime. 'Punk', the word itself, means 'rebellious', man! What's rebellious about sexism? What's rebellious about patriotism? What rebellious about producing worthless music and selling it for 1000000 bucks? Nothing! Go D.I.Y., make your own cloths, make your own record label, support your local scene, boycot Epitaph! I'm not telling anyone what to do here, but seriously, think about what you're doing before you help prop up some scumfucking corporate empire that relies on the wage-slavery of millions.

Bouncing souls isn't any of those two things. Maybe you could call them a plasticified attempt at gutless Oi!

the Sex Pistols suck.

Every forumer I've asked who's said this has never had a good reason. I'd like to hear yours.

Bouncing souls isn't any of those two things. Maybe you could call them a plasticified attempt at gutless Oi!

Haha, yeah, they're pretty light, but they're fun to listen to.

...but just to make things clear, I'm the sort of girl who has constant fantasies about gatling guns and ditches....

So, I am still curious about how people classify Jane's Addiction. :confused:

I've just never found them to measure up to to the other two "founders" of punk (Clash and Ramones.) Although we all know the Stooges made punk.

They are boring, and the fact that they weren't even real anarchists made them lose their credibility.

Also, they're way overrated and Sid Vicious, unlike everyone thinks, wasn't cool.

I don't know who the f*** crass is. So they can't be that big.

Have you remedied this gap yet?

Minor Threat rules and Ian is a God, but "Guilty of Being White" is BS

Eh? - the song is intended to be ironic. Are you suggesting that white people are guilty of being white?

I used to be really into Oi! The Partisans were and still are my favorite Oi! band although they are closely followed by the Angelic Upstarts and the Business.

Anyway my favorite punk bands are:

Dead Kennedys, Adolescents, Reagan Youth (My top three, in that order), Minor Threat, Bad Brains, GBH, Discharge, Clash, Broken Bones, etc.

As for the Minor Threat and no sex, they are against promiscuous sex, but not against "making love."

Oh yeah, and the Sex Pistols suck.
Honestly, DK gives me the creeps and Adolescents mostly made bad music. Mostly.

The Straightedge thing is beyond me. I get the vegan part. I am one. But no smoking, no drinking, no drugs, no coffee, no fags, no one night stands... Seriously, I'd rather stop breathing than live such a boring life.

For the rest of it: I think you & I could get along just fine :p

...but just to make things clear, I'm the sort of girl who has constant fantasies about gatling guns and ditches....
Marry me baby!

Eh? - the song is intended to be ironic. Are you suggesting that white people are guilty of being white?

I'm well aware that Ian is not saying he should be considered guilty of being white. Duh. :rolleyes:

I'm saying that is BS way of framing the issue that falsely claims victimhood for whites.

It is a great song. It just that the message is wrong.

The Straightedge thing is beyond me. I get the vegan part. I am one. But no smoking, no drinking, no drugs, no coffee, no fags, no one night stands... Seriously, I'd rather stop breathing than live such a boring life.

The best explanation I have ever heard for SxE was from a friend who simply said "I don't want to be a drunk like my dad". Can't argue with that.

Have you remedied this gap yet?

I looked 'em up. I haven't heard their music. I was unimpressed by what I read.

Most of what I've seen is BS that they were the only ones "fighting the real fight."

I'm saying that is BS way of framing the issue that falsely claims victimhood for whites.

I guess I'm reading it in a different manner to you: to me it is just saying something along the lines of "yeah, my race and culture fucked up, but I can't be personally held responsible for that". I don't think it is really claiming victimhood, rather stating that racial competition in DC is not the way forward.

Having said that, I certainly don't think it is their best set of lyrics nor their most focused.

I always thought they shortned it sXe, but what do I know?

Anyway, I get the "I don't wanna be an alcoholic like daddy-o" thing, but what's wrong with sex and coffee?

By the way, yea! Kaaos kicked ass. I never managed to see them live, but I have their Totaalinde Kaaos LP. Prolly spelt wrong, but I don't speak Finnish

The best explanation I have ever heard for SxE was from a friend who simply said "I don't want to be a drunk like my dad". Can't argue with that.

Ian makes a pretty good argument for it as well, but I like my vices. :D

Random association & a guilty admission that I even know this, but all this talk of sXe made me think of that one doofus on MTV Real World New Orleans that was a "sXe Christian." Idiot.

I looked 'em up. I haven't heard their music. I was unimpressed by what I read.

Most of what I've seen is BS that they were the only ones "fighting the real fight."

The music is certainly worth a listen or two, although I'll readily admit that it ranges from the startlingly good to the quite frankly unlistenable. If anything they have become a victim of their own influence on the scene - there are still hundreds of bands out there producing CRASS-soundalike LPs. A similar situation as happened with Discharge and the wave after wave of Dis- bands that they spawned.

Honestly, DK gives me the creeps and Adolescents mostly made bad music. Mostly.

The Straightedge thing is beyond me. I get the vegan part. I am one. But no smoking, no drinking, no drugs, no coffee, no fags, no one night stands... Seriously, I'd rather stop breathing than live such a boring life.

For the rest of it: I think you & I could get along just fine :p

DK are the greatest! The Adolescents did NOT make bad music. Go listen to the Blue Album, that is one of the greatest punk rock albums out there.

Again, I don't agree with straight edge, seeing as I'm shortly going out to smoke a joint, but Minor Threat just made plain good music.

i don't agree with listening to only one kind of music, if ur surrounding yourself with a single genre of music in an attempt to prove your "real" punk then all you're doing is limiting yourself, i listen to tracy chapman as often as christina aguilera and i listen to green day as often as i listen to fleetwood mac there's no need to exclude bands if they don't fit your "real standards" hell if u like the songs, you like the songs

The music is certainly worth a listen or two, although I'll readily admit that it ranges from the startlingly good to the quite frankly unlistenable. If anything they have become a victim of their own influence on the scene - there are still hundreds of bands out there producing CRASS-soundalike LPs. A similar situation as happened with Discharge and the wave after wave of Dis- bands that they spawned.

Banned from the Roxy, ok, never much liked playing there anyway...

But none of the D-beat bands ever were as good as Discharge. Take a look at Decontrol for example...

Anyway, I get the "I don't wanna be an alcoholic like daddy-o" thing, but what's wrong with sex and coffee?

Generally the criteria are no drugs, no smoking, no drinking. Yeah, there are a thousand different variants and extra criteria added by people here and there, but the drugs/cigarettes/alcohol ones are pretty much constant.

As far as coffee goes, are you sure you haven't missed the joke with Crucial Youth?


Oh yeah... for your amusement: http://www.howsyouredge.com/edgebreak/index.php

I've just never found them to measure up to to the other two "founders" of punk (Clash and Ramones.) Although we all know the Stooges made punk.

Hold it, there. The Stooges were great, but they had a lot of subtleties (among other things) that made them more regular-old Rock rather than Punk Rock. Didn't measure up, eh? Haha, Johnny Ramone would have a thing or two to say about that. I could give you an interview where he says just how great Steve's guitarwork on Never Mind The Bollocks is.

They are boring, and the fact that they weren't even real anarchists made them lose their credibility.

Funny, because they all thought "Anarchy" was stupid. Anarchy In The U.K. was meant to be ironic. Fuck, just listen to the lyrics. It's making fun of anarchists.

Also, they're way overrated and Sid Vicious, unlike everyone thinks, wasn't cool.

Wrong again. Overrated? Usually, they're underrated. And most people think that Sid Vicious was an idiot. Even John and the rest thought he was (though at first, they thought he really would learn how to play... pity he didn't).

Well, you're just another one of those people who doesn't have a clue. Sad, really.

What bothers me more than anything is that they call what is played on the radio "alternative". Alternative to what? It's not alternative. Morphine is alternative. In the 80s and earlier... Alternative was alternative to what was on the radio. So I don't like to hear that some band that is played over and over on the radio is "alternative". :headbang: Outlander music is alternative, however I wouldn't wish listening to that on anyone...

i don't agree with listening to only one kind of music, if ur surrounding yourself with a single genre of music in an attempt to prove your "real" punk then all you're doing is limiting yourself, i listen to tracy chapman as often as christina aguilera and i listen to green day as often as i listen to fleetwood mac there's no need to exclude bands if they don't fit your "real standards" hell if u like the songs, you like the songs

Who said any of us listened to punk? I listen to all sorts of stuff, from Dead Kennedys to Sublime, from 50 Cent to Aphex Twin, from Bob Marley to Bob Dylan to Led Zeppelin to Clapton to Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre. Don't generalize.

i dont count myself as punk but i like Anti-Flag, Black Flag, Dropkick Murphys, Flogging Molly, Sex Pistols and Subhumans

DK are the greatest! The Adolescents did NOT make bad music. Go listen to the Blue Album, that is one of the greatest punk rock albums out there.

Again, I don't agree with straight edge, seeing as I'm shortly going out to smoke a joint, but Minor Threat just made plain good music.
I have the album right here on the shelf behind me ;) (yea, I'm one of those disturbed collector types)

Anyway, The jello singing MTV get off the air, then going on MTV to raise money... Lots of other similar things. Not to mention he's gone bonkers over the old DK'ers playing old DK shit without him. His motivation? They don't want to release on his label (Alternative Tentacles). Honestly, the guy is a hypocrite and a wanker. And he acts like a rotten hippie and can't sing for shit. Look beyond the surface of PCness.

Hold it, there. The Stooges were great, but they had a lot of subtleties (among other things) that made them more regular-old Rock rather than Punk Rock. Didn't measure up, eh? Haha, Johnny Ramone would have a thing or two to say about that. I could give you an interview where he says just how great Steve's guitarwork on Never Mind The Bollocks is.



Funny, because they all thought "Anarchy" was stupid. Anarchy In The U.K. was meant to be ironic. Fuck, just listen to the lyrics. It's making fun of anarchists.



Wrong again. Overrated? Usually, they're underrated. And most people think that Sid Vicious was an idiot. Even John and the rest thought he was (though at first, they thought he really would learn how to play... pity he didn't).

Well, you're just another one of those people who doesn't have a clue. Sad, really.


Iggy rules, and he started in the 60's... I don't think they were regular rock... Not back in the beginning...

Hold it, there. The Stooges were great, but they had a lot of subtleties (among other things) that made them more regular-old Rock rather than Punk Rock. Didn't measure up, eh? Haha, Johnny Ramone would have a thing or two to say about that. I could give you an interview where he says just how great Steve's guitarwork on Never Mind The Bollocks is.

Talent is not something I care about in a band. As long as they sound good, it's cool with me.


Funny, because they all thought "Anarchy" was stupid. Anarchy In The U.K. was meant to be ironic. Fuck, just listen to the lyrics. It's making fun of anarchists.

Oh well, I suck. I never was interested enough in the Pistols to figure any of this shit out.

Wrong again. Overrated? Usually, they're underrated. And most people think that Sid Vicious was an idiot. Even John and the rest thought he was (though at first, they thought he really would learn how to play... pity he didn't).

There is no way that they are underrated. They are overrated just as the Clash and the Ramones are overrated. Just because something is overrated doesn't mean it's bad, I just don't like the Sex Pistols. Well from my experiences I've seen 13 year olds who are obsessed with Sid Vicious because he was in the Sex Pistols, regardless of the fact that he couldn't play his instrument and was a depressed heroin junkie.

Well, you're just another one of those people who doesn't have a clue. Sad, really.

I have plenty of clues and I know plenty about punk, I just don't like the Sex Pistols.

Iggy rules, and he started in the 60's... I don't think they were regular rock... Not back in the beginning...

Depends on your idea of "regular" Rock. If you thought I meant the Stooges were closer to the long-haired, solo-heavy Hippie Rock, well, it couldn't be much further from it!

Generally the criteria are no drugs, no smoking, no drinking. Yeah, there are a thousand different variants and extra criteria added by people here and there, but the drugs/cigarettes/alcohol ones are pretty much constant.

As far as coffee goes, are you sure you haven't missed the joke with Crucial Youth?


Oh yeah... for your amusement: http://www.howsyouredge.com/edgebreak/index.php
Actually, all the shit I mentioned is "rules" I've picked up from the local edgers. Coffee might be a local thing, but they are pretty serious about it.
I took one short look at the link. Nothing I wanna waste my time on, but thanks all the same.

*puts on his Ümlaüt S/T, lights up a fag and pours himself a cup of coffee*

Talent is not something I care about in a band. As long as they sound good, it's cool with me.




Oh well, I suck. I never was interested enough in the Pistols to figure any of this shit out.



There is no way that they are underrated. They are overrated just as the Clash and the Ramones are overrated. Just because something is overrated doesn't mean it's bad, I just don't like the Sex Pistols. Well from my experiences I've seen 13 year olds who are obsessed with Sid Vicious because he was in the Sex Pistols, regardless of the fact that he couldn't play his instrument and was a depressed heroin junkie.



I have plenty of clues and I know plenty about punk, I just don't like the Sex Pistols.

Sounds reasonable to me. At least you aren't going on and on about how "Malcolm McLaren manufactured this", and "They couldn't play their instruments" that (except for Sid, of course, but everybody knows he couldn't do shit).

i don't agree with listening to only one kind of music, if ur surrounding yourself with a single genre of music in an attempt to prove your "real" punk then all you're doing is limiting yourself, i listen to tracy chapman as often as christina aguilera and i listen to green day as often as i listen to fleetwood mac there's no need to exclude bands if they don't fit your "real standards" hell if u like the songs, you like the songs

I'm not sure many here have said they only listen to real punk.

I listen to everything from opera to hardcore punk to Lyle Lovett to RATM to Tom Waits to Grateful Dead to Aimee Mann to Beausoliel to ...... (getting the picture?)

I just listen to good music and not poser stuff or crap.

I have the album right here on the shelf behind me ;) (yea, I'm one of those disturbed collector types)

Anyway, The jello singing MTV get off the air, then going on MTV to raise money... Lots of other similar things. Not to mention he's gone bonkers over the old DK'ers playing old DK shit without him. His motivation? They don't want to release on his label (Alternative Tentacles). Honestly, the guy is a hypocrite and a wanker. And he acts like a rotten hippie and can't sing for shit. Look beyond the surface of PCness.

And you don't like it? Shame on you! I love that album.

I never heard about him going to MTV or whatever, but that sucks. Jello and the rest of the Dead Kennedys are pissed at eachother since they went to court over Alternative Tentacles, so no wonder he doesn't want them playing his shit. Especially since they have some retard fronting the "DK Dead Kennedys" now.

I'm not sure many here have said they only listen to real punk.

I listen to everything from opera to hardcore punk to Lyle Lovett to RATM to Tom Waits to Grateful Dead to Aimee Mann to Beausoliel to ...... (getting the picture?)

I just listen to good music and not poser stuff or crap.
Dunno.. I like maybe 5 mainstream bands. Otherwise I stick to my guns.. I mean, I listen to Oi! Punk Hardcore & Ska.

Dunno.. I like maybe 5 mainstream bands. Otherwise I stick to my guns.. I mean, I listen to Oi! Punk Hardcore & Ska.

Whatever floats your boat. :)

I listen to whatever's good. Just keep shit like Blink 182 off my playlists, and I'll be fine.

The Clash
The Sex Pistols
The Ramones
NOFX
Dropkick Murphys
Flogging Molly
DEAD MOTHERFUCKING KENNEDYS!!!! (It's a shame they can't along... It would be fucking awsome if they got back together again)
The Unseen
The Casualites
Green Day
Sum 41

My favorites quoted from your listing.

The best explanation I have ever heard for SxE was from a friend who simply said "I don't want to be a drunk like my dad". Can't argue with that.

Eh... My rationale is that I don't want to be out of control. Remember, a number of straight-edgers (origionally) were actually atheists and agnostics who felt that drugs and drink were irresponsible because they wasted what life we get. I dunno where I stand on that.

I don't really think that "punk" can be defined without a crazy-long essay, which half of the world's punks will dissagree with anyway. Personally, my tastes run towards the more political stuff.

NoFX (War on Errorism in particular)
Bad Religion (Haven't seen them mentioned yet... But half of the world is also convinced they "sold out"... So...)
Anti-Flag
Dead Kennedys
D.O.A.
The Descendants ('Merican being one of my favorites)

Eh... My rationale is that I don't want to be out of control. Remember, a number of straight-edgers (origionally) were actually atheists and agnostics who felt that drugs and drink were irresponsible because they wasted what life we get. I dunno where I stand on that.

I don't really think that "punk" can be defined without a crazy-long essay, which half of the world's punks will dissagree with anyway. Personally, my tastes run towards the more political stuff.

NoFX (War on Errorism in particular)
Bad Religion (Haven't seen them mentioned yet... But half of the world is also convinced they "sold out"... So...)
Anti-Flag
Dead Kennedys
D.O.A.
The Descendants ('Merican being one of my favorites)

Well.. I just don't get it. In control doesn't mean no sex, no fags, no whatever in my mind, but whatever makes you happy. Are you a vegan?

Punk and long esseys, hehehe. Ain't that an oxymoron? - Not implying punkers can't think or write, but... Anyway, I really think I summed it up pretty good earlier *Skewers his hand as he pats his own back*

I guess you could argue that all the bands you just mentioned (apart from Decendants, who incidentially RULE!), have sold out. Getting old and making a living off playing music doesn't mean selling out to me, though. Most people don't have the energy to support themselves and tour the world. Not even MDC. But it's not like all the guys you just mentioned make a lot of money. Just enough to get by ok and have a family. But maybe I'm getting old, hehe.

I guess it's my turn to list some music, eh? Be warned. Tho it's not a complete list of my stuff (maybe 3/4 of it. Haven't updated it in a long time), it is a fairly long list. Also, a lot of it isn't something I agree with. I just like the sound. Oh yea, there's no compil's or album listings. I edited them out to avoid a 300 page thing.

108
2 Live Crew
4 Promille
IV Reich
4 skins, The
7 Seconds
999

A+P
A Global Threat
A-Political
Abrasive Wheels
Abstürzende Brieftauben
Abwärts
ACAB
Adicts, The
Adjudgement
Adolescents, The
AFI
Against All Authority
Against Me!
Agent Bulldog
Agent Orange
Agnostic Front
AK47
Aktiv Dodshjælp
Aktivna Propaganda
Alien Sex Fiend
Amazing Royal Crowns
Amdi Petersens Armé
Amen 81
Analogs, The
Angelic Upstarts
Angora Static
Angry Samoans
Anti Product
Anti-Flag
Anti-Heroes
Anti NoWhere League
Antidote
Antischism
Apokalyptischen Reiter, Die
Art, Die
Artless
Asbest
Asocial
Asta Kask
Atari Teenage Riot
Atom & His Package
Aus Rotten
Auswurph
Avskum

Bad Brains
Bad Manners
Badlands
Bakschischrepublik
Banner of Thugs
Bannlyst
Bauhaus
Beastie Boys
Beefeater
Berliner
Bierpatrioten
Billy Idol
Biohazard
BITB
Bitterbois
Black Flag
Blasted Mechanism
Blatz
Bleach Boys
Blind Idiot God
Blitz, The
Blood For Blood
Bolt Thrower
Boot Party
Boots And Braces
Boxhamsters
Boycot
Brats, The
Bread And Water
Brother Inferior
Bruisers, The
Business, The
Butthole Surfers
Buzzcocks
Byron Lee

Canalterror
Cannibal Corpse
Capdown
Capitalist Alienation
Capitalist Casualties
Carnivore
Casanovas Schwule Seite
Casualties, The
Cathedral
Cerebros Exprimidos
Chaos UK
Chaos Z
Charles Bronson
Choking Victim
Chosen Few
Citizen Fish
City-X
Cluster Bomb Unit
Coalesce
Cockney Rejects, The
Colera
Combat 84
Conflict
Control Machete
Cotzraitz
Crise Total
Crucifucks, The

Daily Terror
Damned, The
Danzig
Dead and Gone
Dead Boys, The
Dead Guy
Dead Inside
Dead Milkmen, The
Descendents
Desmond Decker
Desmond Foster
Dezerter
Dicks, The
Dillinger Escape Plan
Dimple Minds
Dirt
Dirty Rotten Imbiciles
Discharge
Disorder
Donald Dark
Doo-Rag
Dritte Wahl
Dropkick Murphys
Dub Syndicate

EA80
Earth Crisis
Einsturzende Neubauten
Electric Deads
Emscherkurve 77
English Dogs
Enola Gay
Evanescence
Evil Conduct
Exploited, The
External Menace

F-Minus
Faction, The
Fahnenflucht
Faith No More
Fang
Farin Urlaub
Fasaga
Fear
Fifteen
FleischLEGO
Flipper
Flogging Molly
Fluchtweg
Frohlix, Die
Fugazi

G.B.H.
Gaga
Germs, The
GG Allin
GISM
Glittertind
Glory, The
Gnawa Diffusion
De Gogol
Gorilla Angreb
Government Issue
Gray Matter
Guttermouth
GWAR

H.A.F
Hans-A-Plast
Hard$ell
Harum Scarum
Hausvabot
Hellacopters, The
Henry Rollins
Hepcat
High Tone
Hôrs Contrôle
Hurricane
Härter Bis Wolkig

Idiots, The
Infa Riot
Insurgentes

Jerry's Kids
Jesus Lizard, The

Kaaos
Kafkas
Kalashnikov (Spain)
Kalashnikov (Denmark)
Kaos Klitoriano
Kataklysm
Kill The Man Who Questions
Kina
Kjøtt
Knytna Nævar
Koffin Kats
Kreator
Kreutzen, Die
Kult

Langhorns
Lard
Lars Frederiksen And The Bastards
Las Vulpess
Last Resort
Leftover Crack
Lemonheads
Leonard Cohen
Levellers
Lewd, The
Life Sentence
Lobotomia
Loikaemie

Madness, The
Major Accident
Manic Spreet Preachers
Mansfields, The
Mau Maus
MDC
Meatmen
Mellakka
Meteors, The
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Ministry
Minutemen
Misfits, The
Mob 47
Molotow Soda
Motorhead
Mr. Bungle
Mule
Mutabor
Müllstation

Nabat
Napalm Death
Neurotic Arseholes
New Model Army
Nina Hagen
No Doubt
No Exit
No Respect
NOFX
NoMeansNo
Nynningen

Obituary
Odrörir
Oi Polloi
Oku Onuora
Olho Seco
One Way System
Operation Ivy
Oppressed, The

Paragraf 119
Partisans, The
Penetration
Perkele
Peter & The Test Tube Babies
Piss Drunks
Pixies, The
Plasmatics, The
Pogues, The
Poison Idea
Potential Threat
Post Regiment
Pro Patria
Products, The
Propagandhi
Prowlers

Quetschenpaua

Raised Fist
Ramones, The
Rasta Knast
Rantanplan
Raveonettes, The
Raw Power
Reagan Youth
Red Flag 77
Redd Kross
Refused
Restarts, The
Riot Squad
River City Rebels
Rollins Band
Roots And Boots
Rose Tattoo
Rotz auf der Wiese
Rudimentary Peni
Ruts, The

Saturn's Flea Collar
Schlong
Schröders, Die
Scissorfight
Scofflaws
Sedes
Selecter
Sepultura
Sham 69
Shudder to Think
Siouxsie & The Banshees
Ska King Crab
Ska-P
Skatalites, The
Skatenigs
Skitsystem
Slaughter & The Dogs
Slayer
Sleep
Slime
Slits, The
Smegma
Snuff
social distortion
Sofa Glue
Sondaschule
Sonic Youth
Sore Throat
Specials, The
Speedtwins
Spermbirds, The
Spit
Sprengsatz
SS Decontrol
SS Ultrabrutal
Stengte Døre
Stiff Little Fingers
Strapping Young Lad
Strike Anywhere
Subhumans
Suffocation
suicidal tendencies
Swiz
Sylford Walker & Weltom Irie

Tango Underground
Tatb
Ten Foot Pole
Terrorgruppe
Tiger Army
Tiger Lillies, The
Today is The Day
Total Chaos
Toten Hosen, Die
Totenmond
Toxic Narcotic
ToxoPlasma
Toy Dolls, The

U2
UK Subs, The
Ultra Bidé
Undead, The
Under Al Kritik
Unseen, The
Uproar
US Bombs
USK
Ümlaüt

Varukers
Verbal Abuse
Verbal Assault
Verlorene Jungs
Versaute Stiefkinder
Vibrators, The
Vice Squad, The
Victims Family
Violators
Vitamin X
Void

Walter Elf, Die
Warzone
Wannskrækk
War of Destruction
Wasted Youth
Whalers, The
World Inferno Friendship Society

Yhdyskuntajaete
YIDCore
Youth Brigade

Zaunpfahl
ZBeer
Zeni Geva
Zielone Zabki
ZSK
Zyklome A

I fucking love Bad Religion, I saw them at Warped Tour, and again at the 9:30 Club. Even though I am a Christain, I still think they are awesome, and Greg Graffin is one of the smartest people around.

I even made my own shirt that says "Even Jesus freaks love Bad Religion" and I wore it to the show at the 9:30 club. Got some dirty looks, but isn't that what punk's supposed to be about? Expressing your self, going against the grain, non-conformoity?

I'm also a big fan of Irish Punk, political punk, metal, some broadway stuff, pretty much anything that sounds good.

My first love will always be classic punk and underground punk (local music, non-signed artists)

Has anyone ever heard God Is My Co-Pilot, they're pretty boss. Early Sleater-Kinney too is really good.

Has anyone ever heard God Is My Co-Pilot, they're pretty boss. Early Sleater-Kinney too is really good.
I have a feeling I've heard God is My Co-Pilot and hated it. Not 100% sure tho. I've no idea what Sleater-Kinney is. I'll have to look into both :)

But people! In the interest of spreading some joy and plugging an underrated music genre, why don't you post what music you like?

But people! In the interest of spreading some joy and plugging an underrated music genre, why don't you post what music you like?

I have...

I have a feeling I've heard God is My Co-Pilot and hated it. Not 100% sure tho. I've no idea what Sleater-Kinney is. I'll have to look into both :)

But people! In the interest of spreading some joy and plugging an underrated music genre, why don't you post what music you like?
Well that would take too long, and I'd probably irritate some people by listing the dodgy Bluegrass, world music and opera I currently like listening to.

But no discussion of punk would be complete without mentioning:
Wire
The Adverts
The Table
Television
The Damned
X-Ray Specs

And, as contenders for the proto-punk sub-genre:
The Flamin' Groovies - particularly their Grease & Supergrease EPs from (IIRC) 1968
Eddie & The Hot-Rods - particularly their live EPs from '76

And, just to promote post-hoc categorisation rather than ad-hoc, a reminder that The Police were considered punk when they started. Strange, but true ....

So, I am still curious about how people classify Jane's Addiction. :confused:
No-one else seems to have picked this one up (or if they did, I missed it), so ...

For me, they're pretty much straight American Rock. I liked their attitude, and quite liked their music (on a good day), but they were way too self-indulgent to be considered punk, and not experimental enough to be considered post-punk in the way that, say, Sonic Youth were.

I would love to know why The Misfits are constantly snubbed by the media, and many so called punk fans.

When The Ramones were making lame tunes like "I wanna be your boyfriend", The Misfits, were making albums like "Earth A.D", and Static Age.

Although it wasnt the case back in thier day, now you can buy T-shirts with the Crimson Ghost's likness on them in practically any mall in America.
Most record stores carry at least some of thier albums.

Yet, even though almost ALL of todays punk bands pay deep respect and homage to them, the critics, and even clearly educated punk fans, never give them the respect they deserve.

If you call yourself a fan of true american punk, and you dont own any Misfits...you are a poser.

No contention.

When The Ramones were making lame tunes like "I wanna be your boyfriend"

Hahaha. Don't expect me to respect you after that statement.

Hahaha. Don't expect me to respect you after that statement.


You know that song is lame and so do I.

I did not however, say that everything they did was lame.
That isnt true.

I would love to know why The Misfits are constantly snubbed by the media, and many so called punk fans.

When The Ramones were making lame tunes like "I wanna be your boyfriend", The Misfits, were making albums like "Earth A.D", and Static Age.

Although it wasnt the case back in thier day, now you can buy T-shirts with the Crimson Ghost's likness on them in practically any mall in America.
Most record stores carry at least some of thier albums.

Yet, even though almost ALL of todays punk bands pay deep respect and homage to them, the critics, and even clearly educated punk fans, never give them the respect they deserve.

If you call yourself a fan of true american punk, and you dont own any Misfits...you are a poser.

No contention.

I was never a big fan of Goth - too close to metal for me - but I remember the Misfits as acceptable on the rare occassions I heard them. However, I see they've recorded a CD with the Nutley Brass Band, which is intriguing ..... I can see I may have to revise my opinion of them upwards.

I was never a big fan of Goth - too close to metal for me - but I remember the Misfits as acceptable on the rare occassions I heard them. However, I see they've recorded a CD with the Nutley Brass Band, which is intriguing ..... I can see I may have to revise my opinion of them upwards.


If you check them out, check out their music with Glenn Danzig.
Thats the really good stuff.
After he left in 83...they went downhill quickly, and are currently only possessing one "original" member.

Collections 1&2 will give you a healthy taste of what they did.

I'll have to restrain myself, or I'll spend all vacation typing.. BUT:

As far as the UK and US go, both dead and contemporary: Against All Authority, Agnostic Front, Casualties, Citizen Fish, CRASS, Dead Kennedys, Exploited, Flogging Molly, Imperial Leather, Lower Class Brats, Minor Threat, Stiff Little Fingers, The Restarts, UK Subs, Vice Squad, Zounds

Very much into German bands as well: Terrorgruppe, Rubberslime, Slime and Wizo.

And, as for what is real to me, the DIY punk bands playing their ass off every month in every city around the world and singing in their own language - I dig a great deal of the Danish punk bands right now, and those that were: Asbest, APA, Guddommelig Galskab, Hul, No Hope for the Kids, Paragraf 119, Rotten Leprecauns, Selvhenter, Under Al Kritik, URO and a great deal of other bands.

(Not that these names mean shit to most of you, but they're there for the sake of completeness ;) )

That was quite the list. If I forget any, sue me - I'm not getting paid to type. I also listen to an assload of European and eastern punk/HC bands, but it'd drag on. Seriously.

As well, like a lot of punks, I also listen crust, HC, metal, ska, oi!, reggae and folkpunk as well, stuff like that.

.....
Collections 1&2 will give you a healthy taste of what they did.
Added to my wish list. Thanks for the tip.

Lashie showed me some punk music today. Really wasn't that bad. Still, it's not as good as The Who.

Lashie showed me some punk music today. Really wasn't that bad. Still, it's not as good as The Who.

'Tis all a matter of taste.

.....

As far as the UK and US go, both dead and contemporary: Against All Authority, Agnostic Front, Casualties, Citizen Fish, CRASS, Dead Kennedys, Exploited, Flogging Molly, Imperial Leather, Lower Class Brats, Minor Threat, Stiff Little Fingers
One of the best gigs I've ever been to ...

The Restarts, UK Subs, .......
One of the most violent gigs I've ever been to ...

Coincidentally enough, I was talking to a friend the other day, and he was remembering the time he went to a UK Subs in Mod gear - bad move. Ironically enough, it was about a month after he got thrown through a shop window for being in punk gear. His timing appears to have been a bit crap back then.

'Tis all a matter of taste.

I also showed Lashie some Phil Collins. She liked it. Doe you like Phil Collins Potaria?

The thing that confuses me about these punk threads is no-one seems to mention Low-Fi or the contemporary Detroit scene. Are they seriously uncool or am I missing something?

I also showed Lashie some Phil Collins. She liked it. Doe you like Phil Collins Potaria?

I have no idea. I like anything as long as it's good.

On that note, I'll be off to bed... I haven't stayed up until 5:00 AM in a long time, and it's getting to me.

I have no idea. I like anything as long as it's good.

On that note, I'll be off to bed... I haven't stayed up until 5:00 AM in a long time, and it's getting to me.
Warning: he's setting a trap for you.

Phil Collins will make you want to rip your ears off.

Heh, sounds like your mate didn't know when to go ;)

So far ( up to the post below) I've seen most of the real punk bands I like a lot.

And as for Mohawks, I had one 4 years ago. =:(

Ok... here's some of the bands that I'm gonna be critcized for liking BUT FUCK YOU!
Green Day
Good Charlotte (YES LAUGH DAMN IT LAUGH! LAUGH YOU COCKSUCKING FUCKERS!)
Sum 41
Blink 182


In their own words they aren't punk:
Despite their punklike appearance, Thomas says he has never considered the band as part of that genre. Instead, he explains, Good Charlotte try to focus on catchy melodies and tunes that fans can sing along to, rather than attempting to put across a political message.

"[Punk] was always what we were labeled, but the music that we're creating now, we're definitely distancing ourselves from that term. I would just describe us as a radio-friendly rock band," Thomas says. "We're never gonna stray from the pop format."

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/arts/20050630TDY14001.htm

I'm not sure many here have said they only listen to real punk.

I listen to everything from opera to hardcore punk to Lyle Lovett to RATM to Tom Waits to Grateful Dead to Aimee Mann to Beausoliel to ...... (getting the picture?)

I just listen to good music and not poser stuff or crap.

Hell yeash! People have been known to tell me my music collection is a fire hazard because it wants to burst into spontanious combustion fur to internal contradictions....

(And damned, but I though I might be the only Beausoiel fan here! Zydeco, baby!)

Terrorgruppe

Just discobered them last year. :D Me like.

...listening to the Exploited as I type this.

A few other things:
The Misfits are disliked now because they reformed without Danzig. Even though their music is better now, people dislike them. They have a lyricist who can actually write lyrics, imagine that.

I've never heard of Jello Biafra going on MTV to raise money for anything. But the reason that he is pissed off at the other members of the Dead Kennedys initially started with them wanting to use "Holiday In Cambodia" in a Levi's commercial. Jello refused, and they sued. (According to Jello. Admittedly, I haven't heard their side.) I really don't see them ever getting back together, East Bay Ray gave their cover of "Viva Las Vegas" to fucking American Idol.

I don't object to Minor Threat's straight-edge stances. I personally am at the moment (though I'm not a vegan) but am not militant about it.

Johnny Rotten said that the reason the Sex Pistols did the "reunion" tour was for the money.

I'll refrain from posting a whole or even partial CD list. I will, however, post my favorite punk bands, and a few I like that haven't been mentioned, but aren't necessarily my favorites:

Anti-Flag; Bad Religion; Circle Jerks; Dead Kennedys; The Plasmatics; Fugazi; The Dicks; The Crucifucks; Minor Threat; The Germs; X; The Exploited; The Subhumans; The Damned; The Ramones; Bikini Kill; Slant 6; The Misfits; The Minutemen; Husker Du; The Replacements; The Saints; Balzac; Agnostic Front; D.I.; D.R.I.; The Fastbacks; Black Flag; Government Issue; Croatan; M.D.C; The Meatmen; Teenage Jesus and the Jerks; Pennywise; The Epoxies

You know that song is lame and so do I.

I did not however, say that everything they did was lame.
That isnt true.
You joking?

Damn man... You didn't just miss the bus. You got run over. That song is prolly the best lovesong ever done. I can only think of 2 others that come close to it.

What the fuck is wrong with you anyway?! Go get some shock treatments

I'm an old punk. I've seen The Ramones, The Pogues and Stiff Little Fingers 3 times each (wearing a Ramones T-shirt today) and met Joe Strummer. Saw a lot of other punk bands who I can't remember, but that's down to taking large amounts of acid.

So, I am still curious about how people classify Jane's Addiction.

No idea. Contemporary rock? I had a girl who liked them, that's the only reason I've ever heard it. My personal guess it that it's music for the kind of people you see in small cinemas that run french movies. Makes me suspect the word contemporary isn't quite long enough... (I never said I was tolerant).

Very much into German bands as well: Terrorgruppe, Rubberslime, Slime and Wizo.

Never heard Wizo, so I'll be sure to check them out. I'm a bit suprised you like Terrorgruppe tho. Not something I would have guessed with the other bands you mention. Not that I don't understand you. Terrorgruppe is not only great, they're funny as hell to boot.

Coincidentally enough, I was talking to a friend the other day, and he was remembering the time he went to a UK Subs in Mod gear - bad move. Ironically enough, it was about a month after he got thrown through a shop window for being in punk gear. His timing appears to have been a bit crap back then.

Hehehe Mods Hehehe. So.. What, he turned Skinhead, but grew hair to find a job & a girl? Hahaha! God I love myself!

The thing that confuses me about these punk threads is no-one seems to mention Low-Fi or the contemporary Detroit scene. Are they seriously uncool or am I missing something?

I'll look for some Low-Fi. I actually think a mate of mine mentioned them the other day. But why not post a lot of shit? Maybe some of us can help spread the word. Don't bother with unreleased bands tho.

Strange none of you seem to be more into Oi! Oh well.. I'll just have to convince myself I'm special in a positive sense.

The reason I asked you lot to mention some bands was 2 fold. First of all, you get to shamelessly plug your local scene, and there's no telling what can happen when you do that. Record sales or maybe even gig's.
Secondly, I have stuff from maybe 400 or so different punk/skin bands. I know of maybe 200 more. If you guys are like me, we could potentially show eachother a fuckload of new stuff. Anyway, cheers all of you. Found a couple of new things to check out :)

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Hehehe Mods Hehehe. So.. What, he turned Skinhead, but grew hair to find a job & a girl? Hahaha! God I love myself!

Well, I didn't really know him back then, though apparently we met at a couple of gigs. But he was fronting a band at the time, and a punk image wouldn't have fitted their music. So I'm guessing that's why he turned mod.


I'll look for some Low-Fi. I actually think a mate of mine mentioned them the other day. But why not post a lot of shit? Maybe some of us can help spread the word. Don't bother with unreleased bands tho.
That's kind of why I asked the question - I don't know much about it myself, I've just got a couple of white label CDs I like. Also, it seems to be a movement that's growing by word of mouth, recorded in houses on recycled, old equipment, privately pressed on CDs and distributed via informal networks rather than established labels. My brother's into it, records his stuff on an old four-track, and sells it to people who ask.

Strange none of you seem to be more into Oi! Oh well.. I'll just have to convince myself I'm special in a positive sense.
A tad one-dimensional for me - I went from punk to roots and dance music. Also the way I dressed back when Oi started could have presented me with a few issues if I'd gone to many of their gigs. There wasn't a lot of love lost ...

You got questions we got answers. I just dont like the punk rock thing everyone likes and its on all radio stations..

Hahaha! I suspect Oi! Concerts are the same as they always were these days. Haven't really changed since I was a teenager at least. I could prolly make a lot of bonehead comments, but I think I'll just say: They're always exciting :D

I don't think you can classifiy Jane's Addiction, (Although I got a prerelease of their first album, and that is classic!), withought going through a long winded pretentious bunch of bullshit.

Nothing really needs to be classified down to the last time signature. (Except freeform jazz :D )

I like everything from Wagner to the DK's. Diversity is great!

When I say real I mean old shit like Cock Sparrer and new stuff like the Dropkick Murphys, not crap likeMy Chemical Romance or Simple Plan.
Yes. I like real punk. I'm into Circle Jerks, Ramones, Sex pistols, etc. Mainly older punk. I go through phases with my musical tastes. One week I'll be listening to punk, next week I'll be listening to old country and bluegrass tunes.

DOA

That is all you need to know about punk in Canada. America can have the Ramones and the Clash, but DOA is was started punk off in Canada in the 70s.

DOA

That is all you need to know about punk in Canada. America can have the Ramones and the Clash, but DOA is was started punk off in Canada in the 70s.
Dude, America has the Ramones, but the Clash was British. Give credit where credit is due.

Warning: he's setting a trap for you.

Phil Collins will make you want to rip your ears off.

Early (Peter Gabriel era) Genesis with Phil Collins playing drums is, however, perfectly acceptable in a progtastic manner.

D.O.A. is great..

Similised>>

I'm sort of anti-dogmatic when it comes to punk rock. While I prefer the drunk/oi!/street-punk prevalent here in Denmark, there is kind of a schism between the beer and drug-laden old school punks and the anarcho-punks who are into veganism, sXe and politics; and sadly it also colours musical preferences - I sort of toe the fence and listen to all sorts of shit. I'm also a big fan of classical, blues, jazz, rap and powermetal, but oi!, ska, punk and hardcore takes up most of my time. So, you'll find me listening to anything from the Lower Class Brats to CRASS and Conflict..

Are you Scandinavian, by any chance? Lot's of great Danish grindcore, hardcore and punk stuff you mention there..

Dude, America has the Ramones, but the Clash was British. Give credit where credit is due.
London Calling? Come on.

Do you include the Clash, Green day, The Sex Pistols ect in that?

Early (Peter Gabriel era) Genesis with Phil Collins playing drums is, however, perfectly acceptable in a progtastic manner.
Agreed. Our Phil is a bloody fine drummer, and a top showman. But not someone who should ever have been told he could sing. A pretty indifferent actor, too.

One thing I'll say about straightedge kids is that if they're really edge they don't smoke, which I really appreciate at a show with 500 people crammed into a 400 occupancy room and zero ventilation. I don't understand the fuckheads who need one cigarette after another. How about breathing some air for a change?

D.O.A. is great..

Similised>>

I'm sort of anti-dogmatic when it comes to punk rock. While I prefer the drunk/oi!/street-punk prevalent here in Denmark, there is kind of a schism between the beer and drug-laden old school punks and the anarcho-punks who are into veganism, sXe and politics; and sadly it also colours musical preferences - I sort of toe the fence and listen to all sorts of shit. I'm also a big fan of classical, blues, jazz, rap and powermetal, but oi!, ska, punk and hardcore takes up most of my time. So, you'll find me listening to anything from the Lower Class Brats to CRASS and Conflict..

Are you Scandinavian, by any chance? Lot's of great Danish grindcore, hardcore and punk stuff you mention there..
Just in case you don't know them, check out Electric Deads. Strangely melodic hardcore with a female lead. Don't be fooled when I call it melodic. It's similar to things like War of Destruction or Disorder. Anyway, it's prolly the best Danish Band I ever heard. It's probably easiest to get a hold of them on A Danish Compilation or somre other compil.
I'm aware of the pathetic schism in the scene. It's not something terribly Danish, it's like that everywhere as far as I know. Dirty punks start the shit, then the PC twats take over. No problem when the punks are paving the way, but as soon as shit starts to work and get properly organised, the punkers - the real ones - aren't wellcome anymore. PC safetypin-hippies need a quiet place to make quilts after all. They can't have people spilling beer on their shit precious quilts, or fighting in street outside :headbang:

War of Destruction is fucking awesome. Actually, they played a reunion show recently, but it was over in Jutland so I didn't go. Also, I know Electric Dead pretty well - We have this band called No Hope for the Kids that play very moody punk with lyrics about world war 2 and some other things; they are very influenced by ED.

As far as the schism goes, it seems to me like the anarcho-"punks" are winning, or are at least converting old school punks én masse. A dirty shame, but hey, we can always make more punks :)

Johnny Rotten said that the reason the Sex Pistols did the "reunion" tour was for the money.

Yeah, and they gave over a third of the money from that gig to charities. John gave a third of his to wildlife reserves, Steve and Paul gave a third of theirs to football programs, and I still don't know what Glen did with his.

Yes, the tour was for money, but it was for money that they never had the chance to make "back in the day". It was also for a chance to play together without having Malcolm on their backs.

Dirty punks start the shit, then the PC twats take over. No problem when the punks are paving the way, but as soon as shit starts to work and get properly organised, the punkers - the real ones - aren't wellcome anymore.

Question for the kids: what are you doing to support your local scene?


Personally, I've played in bands, done zines, worked in a collective and done sound for more gigs than I care to remember.

Well.. I just don't get it. In control doesn't mean no sex, no fags, no whatever in my mind, but whatever makes you happy. Are you a vegan?

I'm not, but I can understand where they come from. Personally, it's all a matter of not being able to trust myself. If I let myself slip a little bit I don't know if I can stop sliding entirely... But... To each his own ya-know?

Punk and long esseys, hehehe. Ain't that an oxymoron? - Not implying punkers can't think or write, but... Anyway, I really think I summed it up pretty good earlier *Skewers his hand as he pats his own back*

Punk has a long tradition among intelectuals. Actually, I particularly like Greg Gaffin's "A Punk Manifesto" (Search for the Bad Religion official site, go to essays and it should be there).

I guess you could argue that all the bands you just mentioned (apart from Decendants, who incidentially RULE!), have sold out. Getting old and making a living off playing music doesn't mean selling out to me, though. Most people don't have the energy to support themselves and tour the world. Not even MDC. But it's not like all the guys you just mentioned make a lot of money. Just enough to get by ok and have a family. But maybe I'm getting old, hehe.

Eh... I don't bother trying to understand what is or isn't "sellout" because no one can agree what is. I listen to political punk, and if it isn't punk... Well... I still like it.

YEAH FUVCKIMNGHGG NOT GAY BANDSS bans like the UK BUBs and the Ramones were teh priginaors pffffffffffffffffffffQ""""""""""""""""
Yeh tehy jst plaid short songs adn din't dress punk with the ripped cloths frm hot topic (<3 hot topic x 10^65th pwr). Nt like real punx lik simple plan.

Though they are not Punk (I think), Rammstein is awesome. Herzeleid and Mutter, probably their best albums.

Yeah, and they gave over a third of the money from that gig to charities. John gave a third of his to wildlife reserves, Steve and Paul gave a third of theirs to football programs, and I still don't know what Glen did with his.

Yes, the tour was for money, but it was for money that they never had the chance to make "back in the day". It was also for a chance to play together without having Malcolm on their backs.

The Sex Pistols were created by a record company. Sid sucks so bad that they unplugged his bass in concert and he was usually too cracked out to notice. They are even bigger tools now that they are old and their moment has passed. Almost every other 1977 punk band is better than The Sex Pistols.

Anyone else here like The Vibrators? I just got into them, but I'd like to know a lot more about them before I buy a CD.

wow..this thread is still going...you generally don't see that unless it's about something political or religious like gay marriage or those "ask a <insert religious belief>" threads...

just amazing...

The Clash
*snip*


Ok... here's some of the bands that I'm gonna be critcized for liking BUT FUCK YOU!
Green Day
Good Charlotte (YES LAUGH DAMN IT LAUGH! LAUGH YOU COCKSUCKING FUCKERS!)
Sum 41
Blink 182

Yes dammit! Sum 41 kicks all ass! Well, not all ass, I don't really choose numero uno favs, but rather a bunch of favorites, and Sum 41 is up there with the favorites. It annoys the shit outta me when people say they suck when most of the shit they've heard was from the album 'All Killer No Filler". They have like 3 other albums, 2 of which have some of the best god damn guitar I've heard from a band that has formed since 2000. Besides, All Killer No Filler, even though it did sound a lot like Blink 182, it still had "Fat Lip", and that song kicks ass! But one of their best albums, "Does This Look Infected?" has some real good punk rock, as does "Chuck"... :headbang:

By the way, just to piss you off dude, I'm gonna point out that Good Charlotte has sucked since they came out with that Hold on song... :p

By the way, quick question: Is Rise Against punk rock? I've heard different answers and its getting confusing...I love that band, but I keep hearing "No, they're hard rock" "No, they're punk rock" "No they're rock".... :confused:

The Sex Pistols were created by a record company. Sid sucks so bad that they unplugged his bass in concert and he was usually too cracked out to notice. They are even bigger tools now that they are old and their moment has passed. Almost every other 1977 punk band is better than The Sex Pistols.

1: LOL! Hahahahaha! Seriously, this is the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks a bunch, dude!

2: Created by a record company? Nope. Far from it, actually. It all started in 1972, when a friend of Steve and Paul asked them to start a band with him. This kid was Wally Nightingale, who had been playing guitar for two years. So, they started their band: The Strand. They played mostly covers for two years in Wally's garage, and even wrote two songs: "Lazy Sod", and "Did You No Wrong". A few months into 1974, however, Steve and Paul kicked Wally out because he was a bum (about two months prior, they had renamed themselves "The Swankers"). They needed a bassist and a vocalist (Steve had learned guitar by this time), and they found a bassist in Autumn of that year, by the name of Glen Matlock, who worked at Malcolm McLaren's shop, which Steve and Paul frequented. For almost a whole year they rehearsed and came up with no new material. They really needed a vocalist, and they found their man in the Summer of '75. He was John Lydon. He had been visiting Malcolm's shop for the past two weeks, and Glen told Steve and Paul that he looked like what they needed, so they "auditioned" him on the shop's jukebox to Alice Cooper's "I'm Eighteen". John's performance was hilarious and energetic, and he was in. The day after, they were in Malcolm's shop, sitting around. Malcolm decided to name them the "Sex Pistols", taken from one of Malcolm's shirts designed by Vivienne Westwood. And, as they say, the rest is history.

3: Sid was actually decent until he met Nancy, who could afford to pay for his heroin addiction. They would only unplug his bass if he was really smashed. Take a listen to their Trondheim 1977 set, and you can hear Sid playing just fine. He does miss a few parts, but that's to be expected from somebody who's only been playing bass for a few weeks.

4: Tools? Yeah, not being controlled by record companies really makes you "tools". Read up, and get a clue.

I must say, you do an excelent job of defending the Pistols! And it looks like you have to do it a lot, too.

Anyway Pot, do you know if "Lazy Sod" is the same song as "Seventeen?"

Strange none of you seem to be more into Oi! Oh well.. I'll just have to convince myself I'm special in a positive sense.


I'm into Oi!

The Business, Partisans, Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Blitz, Last Resort, Infa Riot, Combat 84, Condemned 84, Cockney Rejects, Cock SParrer, 4 Skins, Slaughter and the Dogs, Oppressed...

All great stuff, there is some more but I forget..

I must say, you do an excelent job of defending the Pistols! And it looks like you have to do it a lot, too.

Anyway Pot, do you know if "Lazy Sod" is the same song as "Seventeen?"

Thanks for the... Complement, I guess :p. And yeah, I've had to do it on pretty much every forum I visit. Ugh.

"Lazy Sod" is the same song as "Seventeen". However, "Lazy Sod" had horrible lyrics that went nowhere (one of the lines was "give a dog a bone"), which is why John re-wrote them.

The real thing is whether the band/artists have any real talent and whether the music is any good. (And sometimes whether they put on a good show -- but that should not take a backseat to the music.)

That is my $0.02.
In this case Simple Plan STILL doesn't make the cut.

Simple Plan is whiny as hell...I mean what kind of sniveling lyrics are "I'm sorry I can't be perfect"?! Man, they should be sorry!

Yeah, and they gave over a third of the money from that gig to charities. John gave a third of his to wildlife reserves, Steve and Paul gave a third of theirs to football programs, and I still don't know what Glen did with his.

Yes, the tour was for money, but it was for money that they never had the chance to make "back in the day". It was also for a chance to play together without having Malcolm on their backs.That's fine. :) So why don't they still play? Don't they get along, or are they not interested?

And, as a side note, a few bands that I like that I forgot to mention earlier:
D.O.A.; AFI; Rancid; Operation Ivy; Superchunk; TSOL; Verbal Abuse; Strike Anywhere; Thought Riot

And another side note, bands that are from this area (Pittsburgh) that I like:
Anti-Flag (Yes I mentioned them already but not in this context.) HTML, the Accident, Intense Youth, Krooked Grind. Aus Rotten is also from this area.

To be honest, I don't go to local shows often, but I think I will whenever I drive, as the usual place takes awhile to get to via bus, but is only 25-30 minutes via car.

That's fine. :) So why don't they still play? Don't they get along, or are they not interested?

They do wanna play, but they say it's very difficult to get John to go along with anything. John's not having any of it at the moment.

Question for the kids: what are you doing to support your local scene?
As long as people go to the shows and pay as much as they can. As long as they spread the word. As long as they do what needs doing to make shit happen, they're supporting the scene.
Not everyone needs to be involved in booking bands and making the shows. Not everyone needs to stand in the bar. But if people like the scene and want it to move forward, they have to do what they think needs to be done.
Personally I haven't been very involved in the local scene for several years. I'm a local minority. Most people doesn't want the same things I want, so I butt out. The day the local scene completely stops catering to me, is the day I get involved again. But I doubt that will happen. As it is, I help out when it's needed. I buy the records, go to the shows and so on.
Also, IMO it's better to let the new generations take over when they try. Not only do they want to, they also have more time, and the scene would stagnate if it was a bunch of 30-40 year olds making the decisions.
Still, I wish the local scene didn't have issues with apolitical, antifascist Oi! Punkers & Skinheads. Maybe I'm outta touch, but all that anachro-bollox is getting on my nerves. It's not like the rest of us kicked them out and made special rules against them when they were the few and we were the many. Stuck-up, holier-than-thou twats! *Snort*

Punk has a long tradition among intelectuals. Actually, I particularly like Greg Gaffin's "A Punk Manifesto" (Search for the Bad Religion official site, go to essays and it should be there).
Funny you mention it. Some guy pointed it out to me not too long ago. I read it and mostly agree. But it's his own personal opinion and what he outlines isn't as true for everyone as it is for himself. Point is, punkers are often selfcontradicting in the extreme. Besides, is it really that important? I still think I described it better in 2 lines than he managed in the essey (yups, I think I'm wonderful ;))

Eh... I don't bother trying to understand what is or isn't "sellout" because no one can agree what is. I listen to political punk, and if it isn't punk... Well... I still like it.
Me either. Some bands like Offspring are $ellouts tho. The day they start catering to mtv & record companies instead of their fan base, it becomes pretty clear. And apart from it being fucking hypocritical, it's also taking a shit on all the people in the DIY scene that made their career possible.

Anyone else here like The Vibrators? I just got into them, but I'd like to know a lot more about them before I buy a CD.
Here's a bit of info about them. They stuck with the '77 sound. Made some great songs and some really really bad ones as well. Their lyrics are always a laugh. Great band in my opinion. Better than most of the old '77 shit.


One of punk rock's longest running bands, the Vibrators emerged from the UK punk scene in 1976 and quickly found themselves sharing the stage with such notable acts as the Sex Pistols. Their initial releases were minor hits in England, and the band was able to weather frequent lineup changes, which started with bassist Pat Collier's exit in 1977, until 1980 when the band called it quits. But, as with most UK punk acts, reformation was in the cards. The original lineup came back together in 1982 and released the LPs Guilty and Alaska 127.

The original lineup of Ian Conochan, Pat Collier, John Ellis, and Eddie the Drummer was hit again with more turnover during the 1980s and 1990s. By the time of the band's 20th anniversary, Mikcie Owen (guitar), Mark Duncan (bass), Nigel Bennet (guitar), Darrell Bath (guitar), and Nick Peckham (bass) had all been associated with the Vibrators. In 1999, the more stable three-piece lineup of the band made their way across America with fellow punk veterans the Misfits, the Exploited, and the U.K. Subs.

I'm into Oi!
Oi! Finally! You a punk or skin then? Drop me a line if you wish to trade/share some shit.

Kurt Cobain might've said that punk rock is freedom, but some of these pop-punk bands today make me want to slit my wrists :(

What's with all this stereotypical punk crap like mohawks and spiked leather jackets and dying your hair and shit? It's kicking a dead horse, no one cares, it's mainstream now...

I'm not really a huge punk fan, but of course I live in Alabama and I have little money being a minor and all so :P

Oi! Finally! You a punk or skin then? Drop me a line if you wish to trade/share some shit.

I'm more a hippie stoner treehugging liberal. Used to be more into the punk scene but meh..I tired of the whole asshole elitist punk attitude, it seems to reign supreme in most scenes...

Kurt Cobain might've said that punk rock is freedom, but some of these pop-punk bands today make me want to slit my wrists :(

What's with all this stereotypical punk crap like mohawks and spiked leather jackets and dying your hair and shit? It's kicking a dead horse, no one cares, it's mainstream now...

I'm not really a huge punk fan, but of course I live in Alabama and I have little money being a minor and all so :P

That's not Pop-Punk, my friend. That's Poser-Punk, which is Pop Rock with a buzzsaw guitar sound. Pop-Punk is the Buzzcocks (I say that because they started it, and epitomised it).

I'm more a hippie stoner treehugging liberal. Used to be more into the punk scene but meh..I tired of the whole asshole elitist punk attitude, it seems to reign supreme in most scenes...

"With hippies, you had to have the same hair and same clothes as them to go to their concerts, or you weren't acceptable. A lot of punks are that way, and it really makes me sick." --- John Lydon, 1977.

oh baby i hate simple plan.

Holy shit, I love this Adolescents song: "California Son". Orange County Hardcore at its best, by its creators.

meh..my hair isn't too long and i don't wear hippie clothes...i just have the make love, not war, the drugs, and the treehugger aspect of hippiedom :)

Amen, John.

I don't really have much to add, as this discussion is already sort of going haywire. Well, Perkele rules!


Up the punks

I didn't bother to read every post so I hope someone metioned Rancid :cool:

Yea MCR, SP, and GC are all a buch of fucking fakes that make me sick.

...what exactly makes those ones you mentioned not "real" and the other ones you mentioneed "real"?

I've never heard of the ones you called "real". Is that what makes them "real", a small fan base? (I know, I know, just because I haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they have a small fan base)

Are the ones that you said aren't "real", not "real" because they've become mainstream? Were they ever at any point in time a "real" punk rock band?

Are they actually fake punk rock bands? Do they claim to be, and are really something else?

It's obvious you don't mean real as in they exist, because they do.

I can only assume you mean real as in:

Q:How are you?

A:Been keepin' it real.(Am I the only one who has ever wanted to use this in a real conversation?)

some ones not too clever are they, simple plan are a fake punkrock band, this is because they are middle class tools who dont know the definition of doin it har, and seriously the have like one band member that doesnt conform to the rest of society's idea on how to present themselves. to be classed as a real punk rock band you cant be made up of band members that instantly blend in with the rest of society as soon as you put your instruments down, and you have to have actually lived your music, you cant just write crap that you think people will relate to, it has to spawn from personal experience. :sniper:

Holy shit, I love this Adolescents song: "California Son". Orange County Hardcore at its best, by its creators.

Rancid redid that song and its sounds kick-ass.

Rancid redid that song and its sounds kick-ass.

Bah, that's California Sun. It's a cover of the Ramones version, which was a cover of the original 1960's version.

California Son is totally different, and much better, in my opinion.

Bah, that's California Sun. It's a cover of the Ramones version, which was a cover of the original 1960's version.

California Son is totally different, and much better, in my opinion.


No no no, they did son too I have it...very hard to find good luck.

No no no, they did son too I have it...very hard to find good luck.

With the "Life's just begun / California son" chorus? Seriously?

Hold I'll try and find the site I bought the CD off of. Is a mixed Rancid Album every song on it has been re-done it don't have a name. Its just "Rancid" it was only sold for a year.

Rancid used to be cool, til they sold out and started sucking.

Love the old stuff e.g. sex pistols. but i like alot of the new bands as well i mean some are a bit ummm well i cant think of the word lol. I like Sum 41, Blink 182, Greenday and Foo Fighters ( i think they are punk). Some one else on this classed Nirvana as very punky and come-on they must be one of the best bands ever.

In all the old stuff rocks and some of the new stuff does too.



oh and good charlotte suck.

Misfits, Black Flag, Dayglo Abortions, Ramones, Stranglers, Saints...

Sadly at the age of 15 i find myself with little respect for the current punk genre, mainly because of whinge bands (like Simple Plan) and bands who just like the look (Good Charlotte). I do not think i have actually experienced this "real punk" you speak of, and if i have i have not recognised it. The main reason i have any respect for punk is because my major influence in music (The Red Hot Chili Peppers) were a punk/funk band to start with, even though this has changed dramatically over their career i respect my influence's influences (if that makes any sense at all). Perhaps the meaning of punk has changed since the days of The Clash, as i wouldnt class them as a punk band from what i've heard. Sadly i think this "true punk" must be a dying breed of music, i am not saddened because i like "true punk" but mainly because i have never experienced it and if music contiues the way it's going at the moment many forms of organic (such as "true funk") music will die out. Well that's my opinion anyway...
(my apologies if you find it to be completley irrelevant).

Sadly at the age of 15 i find myself with little respect for the current punk genre, mainly because of whinge bands (like Simple Plan) and bands who just like the look (Good Charlotte). I do not think i have actually experienced this "real punk" you speak of, and if i have i have not recognised it. The main reason i have any respect for punk is because my major influence in music (The Red Hot Chili Peppers) were a punk/funk band to start with, even though this has changed dramatically over their career i respect my influence's influences (if that makes any sense at all). Perhaps the meaning of punk has changed since the days of The Clash, as i wouldnt class them as a punk band from what i've heard. Sadly i think this "true punk" must be a dying breed of music, i am not saddened because i like "true punk" but mainly because i have never experienced it and if music contiues the way it's going at the moment many forms of organic (such as "true funk") music will die out. Well that's my opinion anyway...
(my apologies if you find it to be completley irrelevant).

The Clash was one of England's first punk bands. Whatever you think about them, there's no denying they were a punk band.

The music genre isn't dying out, it's just not very fashionable to be a punk these days. Back in the days of The Clash and The Sex Pistols, punk became a fashion. A few years later, the fashion was revived ('82-'85). Since you aparently have little idea what it is, I reccomend you get a hold of eMule and download a documentary.. If you give a shit, that is.

Even at the ripe age of 15, I'll don't worry about it. If it held any appeal to you, you'd know what it was all about by now.

Anyway... Punk music is a very broard genre. Anything from Fugazi to Exploited to Perkele to Agnostic Front to Against me! and The Pogues is punk. None of the things are more similar than Led Zeppelin is to Little Richard.

Now someone else said something about mohawks. What the fuck is wrong with mohawks? And since when did it become normal to have one?

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I don't like punk. Or any rock. Or anything like that. Not really my type of music, infact it's the complete opposite of what I like.

MINOR THREAT. not just one of the best punk bands, one of my favorite bands ever.

i like clash and dead kennedys and stuff like that too... but my favorite stuff (other than minor threat) is the straight edge hardcore scene... like champion, stay gold, comeback kid, go it alone, allegiance, over my dead body...

So, do you like the music or the scene? I dig Minor Threat too, but is it really your sXe friends you dig, or the music they make? Just curious.

Similized World, check your telegrams, by the way.

i like the music. a lot! all the edge bands have a distinctive sound that is really appealing to me (minor threat doesnt have that sound though obviously, they are punk freaking rock).

anyway. i love the music. i dont really care if you're edge or not, its all about the music.

You wanna hear some distinctive stuff? Listen to Husker Du.

i like the music. a lot! all the edge bands have a distinctive sound that is really appealing to me (minor threat doesnt have that sound though obviously, they are punk freaking rock).

anyway. i love the music. i dont really care if you're edge or not, its all about the music.
You'll prolly get a kick out of the US hardcore scene and some of the 90's anachro punk. You should check out Bread & Water, Vitamin X, Kill The Man Who Questions, Aid, Boycott & Antiproduct if you don't already know them

i'll check into some of those bands. there is one anarcho band i like thogugh. from right here in san diego... TBD (it doesnt stand for anything)... they broke a while back. but theyre very good. you should definately listen to them if you like anarcho. best song- "Stop The Torture" (they're vegan straight edge)

I love the stuff. Sex Pistols, Ramones, Buzzcocks, The Damned, The Clash, Dead Kennedys... You name it.
hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i cudnt be bothered reading the whole thread but i saw this and thought F*Ck YAH! Joy Division too! not very punk when they moved on into the 80s but they're still wicked! love the SEX PISTOLS! We're so pretty oh so pretty! we're VAYYYYYY ****!
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i hate that pop punk which is basically 12 y.o. thinking they're tough!

punk rock rules rancid, NOFX, sex pistols rule
down with these crappy bands like simple plan

Punk is a worthless genre. The music is total crap. Of course what can you expect when the total number of chords the guitarist has to learn is 3. The lyrics are mindless. So, with crap music and mindless lyrics, what could redeem the genre? the live shows of course! But no...punks dont like having fun in live shows, they like hurting people. Which makes the live shows garbage too. In the end, punk has no redeeming qualities.

i'll check into some of those bands. there is one anarcho band i like thogugh. from right here in san diego... TBD (it doesnt stand for anything)... they broke a while back. but theyre very good. you should definately listen to them if you like anarcho. best song- "Stop The Torture" (they're vegan straight edge)
You're gonna have to provide some better info. A record title and/or label would help immensely :)

Here's a few things TDB usually stands for
TDB Tape Disk Business (magazine)
TDB Technical Directive Board
TDB Technical Disclosure Bulletin
TDB Technology Database
TDB Technology Development Board (India)
TDB Temps Dynamique Barycentrique (Barycentric Dynamical Time)
TDB Terrain Database
TDB The Daily Blitz (blog site)
TDB The Dark Breed (gaming clan)
TDB The Digital Brotherhood
TDB The Disco Biscuits (band)
TDB The Division Bell (Pink Floyd album)
TDB Theater Defense Brigade
TDB Threat Database
TDB Time Distribution Bus
TDB Too Damn Bad
TDB Toronto Dominion Bank
TDB Trade Development Board
TDB Training Development Branch
TDB Transportation Database
You can probably guess why it's futile to search for "Stop The Torture" TCD & San Diego ;)

Punk is a worthless genre. The music is total crap. Of course what can you expect when the total number of chords the guitarist has to learn is 3. The lyrics are mindless. So, with crap music and mindless lyrics, what could redeem the genre? the live shows of course! But no...punks dont like having fun in live shows, they like hurting people. Which makes the live shows garbage too. In the end, punk has no redeeming qualities.
Hahaha! Lemme guess: The real reason you hate punk is because punkers beat up lazy hippies for fun.

Hahaha! Lemme guess: The real reason you hate punk is because punkers beat up lazy hippies for fun.

Nope, I hate hippies just as much as everyone else. That is the name of my fictional nation which has no relation to me. I hate punk because of the reasons I mentioned, the music is simplistic garbage, the lyrics are mindless, and the live shows arent fun. It has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

Nope, I hate hippies just as much as everyone else. That is the name of my fictional nation which has no relation to me. I hate punk because of the reasons I mentioned, the music is simplistic garbage, the lyrics are mindless, and the live shows arent fun. It has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
The muscial style may be "basic", but to call it garbage is highly subjective. Plenty of people out there love punk music. Lyrics mindless? Many punk bands have very political and intelligent lyrics. If you want to talk mindless lyrics, lets talk about all the "ooh baby baby" shite in the top 40... I think you have judged an entire genre by a handful of poor examples, if any at all.

Punk is a worthless genre. The music is total crap. Of course what can you expect when the total number of chords the guitarist has to learn is 3. The lyrics are mindless. So, with crap music and mindless lyrics, what could redeem the genre? the live shows of course! But no...punks dont like having fun in live shows, they like hurting people. Which makes the live shows garbage too. In the end, punk has no redeeming qualities.

Dude, you only say that cuz you don't listen to punk. Shut up about what you don't know. Punk and its various subdivisions is some of the greatest music ever. Punk shows are fun (I've been there, hardcore shows anyway {hardcore is a subdivision of punk}) and you say they're not cuz you haven't been there. So shh! No one wants to hear you. And punk lyrics are VERY intelligent as "new fabaria" pointed out. highly political lyrics. and when they aren't political, theyre social commentary. like this, MINOR THREAT's song "Out of Step( With The World)" "I don't smoke. I don't drink. I don't fuck. At least I can fucking think. I can't keep up, I can't keep up, I can't keep up. Out of step with the world... Three thing's that are like so important to the world... I don't find much importance in them..."

So don't talk trash about punk. you just don't know anything. hippie boy. PUNK owns you. don't enter this forum to talk trash. if you don't like punk, stay out of a punk forum. fool.