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Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

OMG I must worship you now
i hate kids too lol

I think kids should be rigorously tested on their intelligence and physical abilities, and those who don't test in the top 10% should be ground up and used for fertilizer. There's just no quality control anymore.

My wife and I were talking about kids about a couple years ago. We got a motorcycle and Shih-Tzu instead.

I hate kids, they send me into murderous rages.

What do you think about kids?
I think that you are a prime candidate for the Church of Euthanasia.
Their one commandment is:
"Thou shalt not procreate."

I can't help but love them. Even my psycho cousins. One day there'll be seven (yes, that's right, SEVEN!) little Refused Party Babies running amok, all up in yo' face.

Communist babies practising anarchy. That's probably your worst nightmare, Santa B? ;)

Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! ?
The world can fit and feed over 50 billion people.And it's unlikely that we'll ever get that many.

I like kids... but I am biased, as technically, I am one. I love taking care of younger kids and crap. I am, by nature, a healer. That's what my personality quizzes say, anyway.

kids are wonderful. little innocent bundles of curdled milk.

i love them

as long as they are someone elses.

I think that you are a prime candidate for the Church of Euthanasia.
Their one commandment is:
"Thou shalt not procreate."
yea. Now that's a scary ass movement.

I've made my contribution to the gene pool so that the next generation won't be *completely* devoid of intelligence. Unfortunately, it's a well-established fact that stupid people breed much faster.

i can't stand real little kids. they're so igonrant, so messy, so hyperactive...it's unsettling.

that's why i don't babysit

What if your parents never decided to have YOU? Answer that my friends.

I hate them too.
Is it really impossible to find a doctor who will do tube tying or vasectamies on people under 30?

What if your parents never decided to have YOU? Answer that my friends.
I wouldn't care. Neither would you or anybody else who answered the question, because if they didn't exist, they wouldn't be able to care.

I hate them too.
Is it really impossible to find a doctor who will do tube tying or vasectamies on people under 30?
you should be able to find a doctor who will perform those procedures for you before you're 30, but be prepared to undergo some psychological screening first. it's considered abnormal to not want to crank out babies, remember, so they will have to prove you're only mildly crazy and not full-on starkers.

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

YOU HAVE SOME ISSUES THERE BUDDY! LOL

Take A Chill Pill or Lay Off The Beer Man ;)

What if your parents never decided to have YOU? Answer that my friends.
and the "stupidest question of the thread" award goes to...

if i didn't exist, i wouldn't feel anything. would you?

Remember: 'hate' is an anagram of 'heat', and only one letter away from 'eat'. Therein lies the solution.

if that's the way you feel about it-- personally, I adore kids; the way they learn and accumulate knowledge is fascinating! (I'm going into Anthropology as my major you see). I don't get what's so bad about them, after all, I need an heir to my throne, no matter how stupid he is!

Great for you, Marc Dutroux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought you were in jail forever and ever, where you belong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We dont need any more Marc Dutroux here!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you dont know who you are, do yourself a favour and google you name...

I am offended. Ok, nothing says that the new generation will be any less important than yours. Ever think about the fact that you were a kid once?? Ever think that maybe some kids would come on this site and that you with all your anti-child statements might make them angry? I'm only twelve. Bet you wouldn't have guessed that.

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

Does this post not remind you of Psycho Mantis of Metal Gear Solid fame?

"In my lifetime I have read the pasts, presents, and futures of thousands upon thousands of men and women. And each mind that I peered into was stuffed with the same single object of obsession. That selfish and atavistic desire to pass on one's seed... it was enough to make me sick." -Psycho Mantis

I am offended. Ok, nothing says that the new generation will be any less important than yours. Ever think about the fact that you were a kid once?? Ever think that maybe some kids would come on this site and that you with all your anti-child statements might make them angry? I'm only twelve. Bet you wouldn't have guessed that.

kick em where it hurts then! :eek:

Great for you, Marc Dutroux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought you were in jail forever and ever, where you belong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We dont need any more Marc Dutroux here!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you dont know who you are, do yourself a favour and google you name...
Accusing Santa Barbara of being a famous serial killer and pedophile was probably not the best of ideas, as insulting others is against the rules here.

I reiterate:

Kids are evil. In fact, all kids younger than me should be shot on sight.

At this point, All I can think about is Drooling, diapers, over-use of petroleum(when they are teenagers) and being overall pains in the rear.



Why not take it a step further, and say, avoid marriage? ;) ;)

The world can fit and feed over 50 billion people.And it's unlikely that we'll ever get that many.
BS people are already starving at just over a tenth of that, and those who arent starving are packed in like sardines in cities.

The world can fit and feed over 50 billion people.And it's unlikely that we'll ever get that many.


Yes, but how many comfortably? ;)

:mad:

Remember: 'hate' is an anagram of 'heat', and only one letter away from 'eat'. Therein lies the solution.


Is that like Flame and lame?



And game, and tame. Spame too. Quame.

4------12
That's the age at which kids piss me off. There are a few exceptions, well mannered ones whose parents are both loving and strict, but they are rare. Then once they leave adolescence, most of them start to mature and become tolerable (and for the record, I hated 12 year olds even when I was 12).

What if your parents never decided to have YOU? Answer that my friends.
Then we wouldn't exist to be complaining and would therefore have no opinion, feelings, or ability to feel sad about not existing. What's your point?

Then we wouldn't exist to be complaining and would therefore have no opinion, feelings, or ability to feel sad about not existing. What's your point?
Are you implying that my unborn, unthought of Children have no feelings??!?!? :eek:

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?


LOL, good one! And right on for bringing up the overpopulation issue that seems to be so taboo to speak about these days.

Personally, I hate when young kids do that psychotic shreaking shit in stores, you know, when they take in a lung full of air and spew it out of their larynx in the most freakish, banshee like way imaginable, as if 1000 drunken Vietnamese women were getting their intestines pulled out through their ears while beating babies with cats. And of course, they always pick the places with the best acoustics to do that shit in. ><

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?
It must be tragic to be so cynical at such a young age.

What do I think about children? I think they are our future. ( shrug )

LOL, good one! And right on for bringing up the overpopulation issue that seems to be so taboo to speak about these days.

Personally, I hate when young kids do that psychotic shreaking shit in stores, you know, when they take in a lung full of air and spew it out of their larynx in the most freakish, banshee like way imaginable, as if 1000 drunken Vietnamese women were getting their intestines pulled out through their ears while beating babies with cats. And of course, they always pick the places with the best acoustics to do that shit in. ><


Nice analogy.

It must be tragic to be so cynical at such a young age.

What do I think about children? I think they are our future. ( shurg )



shurg?

Hmm... Isn't this a bit hypocrtical as you were once a kid yourself?

Personally, I hate when young kids do that psychotic shreaking shit in stores, you know, when they take in a lung full of air and spew it out of their larynx in the most freakish, banshee like way imaginable, as if 1000 drunken Vietnamese women were getting their intestines pulled out through their ears while beating babies with cats. And of course, they always pick the places with the best acoustics to do that shit in. ><
I dislike that intensely myself, but you can rest assured that the parents are doing something to encourage that behavior, probably not consciously. I told mine that if they ever pulled that shit with me, I would put them in a front-leaning rest for an entire day! And they knew I meant it too. :D

Hmm... Isn't this a bit hypocrtical as you were once a kid yourself?
Duh. And that's one of the reasons why I have always thought that anyone who "hates" children is, in fact "hating" his or her own future. You don't have to have children of your own to care about children.

Hmm... Isn't this a bit hypocrtical as you were once a kid yourself?

No.

shurg?
shurg (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/-1/page=display_nation/nation=shurg).

Please if you hate kids. Dont ever ever have them. There is something wrong with you in the first place not to ever want any. Since we are hard wired to reproduce. It is a obviously natures way of weeding out bad genes. Just make the person not want to reproduce. Ingenius if you think about it. So please follow through what you little heads are telling you. Sounds cruel to say. But think about it for a bit. I might be making some sense.

I'm the result of one too many vodka shots.

I suppose that I could be considered a kid myself (I'm 13, that's probably young enough to be considered a "kid"), but my mom runs a home daycare and for me it depends on the individual kid. I can't stand the bratty, wild, undisciplined kids, but the ones with good parents that are relatively quiet and cute I like.

shurg?
shurg: v.t. a highly emphatic shrug. :D

Please if you hate kids. Dont ever ever have them. There is something wrong with you in the first place not to ever want any. Since we are hard wired to reproduce. It is a obviously natures way of weeding out bad genes. Just make the person not want to reproduce. Ingenius if you think about it. So please follow through what you little heads are telling you. Sounds cruel to say. But think about it for a bit. I might be making some sense.
Sounds good to me! Now if we could only find some way to include those who think they want children but who decide later on they made a mistake. Enforcement of this anyone? :D

I'm the result of one too many vodka shots.
So you're a mistake? Hmm.

Okay...wow, such hostility towards the most innocent human beings on earth.

I'm glad people like the ones on the first page of replies, and the author of of this thread, hate kids, because people like you don't need to be breeding period.

And, need I remind you that at one point you all were kids yourselves? How would you feel if your parents or relatives hated you because you were a kid. It's amazing how quickly adults seem to forget that they were kids once in your lives. Maybe, if kids are giving you people trouble, it's probably because they can feel what terrors you are to humanity yourselves.

You know, kids that get into smoking and doing drugs, and sex and all that, are because they're raised by people like you (the author of this thread). Or they have to deal with people like you.

This thread shouldn't even be allowed to exist. But since it *is* here, why don't you "children haters" grow up and act more like your age. I look forward to having children. At least I know intelligence will survive to the next generation.

And go ahead and flame me for my opinion. See what it gets you.

I too hate kids... and most cultures just have to encourage them to behave like worthless brats. But my main complaint is the noise. Babies are the worst but they don't understand the words "shut up," so not much to be done there unfortunately. Kids (with a few, a very FEW exceptions) have absolutely nothing to say and never stop saying it in their annoying high pitched voices repeating the same phrases over and over. And some people call it 'cute,' I call it idiotic. We can fix all problems by not letting kids be noisy whiny little bastards. IE make it socially commendable to say "shut the hell up" to a kid who behaving in the above manner.

By kids i mean single-digit ages especially on the low end.

front-leaning rest

Ok, I feel really stupid but I'm coming up blank on what this is. It's probably really obvious and I'm just not seeing what's right in front of me right now. Ugh! :headbang:

You kid haters don't get it--I plan to procreate as fast as possible, such that my spawn will be so numerous they'll darken the skies, provided you're lying on your back. My genetic legacy will rule the planet, and take away your Social Security benefits when you're old. Go ahead and don't have kids--you're just making my job and that of my progeny that much easier.

Try working at a CHILDREN'S MUSEUM!


relating back to my nation my bf asked why my nations animal is also the main course. I said if the bald eagle were running rampant we would prolly eat that here in America. He said well, we've got a lot of people running rampant....

I just want children so I can be a stay at home mom and have an excuse....

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

I used to think I complained a lot prior to reading this. Seriously, calm down. =-/ You don't sound like the person who really needs to ever raise kids either. You talk about parents neglecting their children in a bad context, yet you seem to have the attitude of a neglectful parent.

I agree that the world is starting to get a little full, but I don't think that's good reason to hate children. We're not quite at the point of too many yet anyway. When we seriously have to start colonizing space to make room, that is when we truly have too many.


There aren't any family values nowadays

This is based solely on the assumption that you know everything about the majourity of families these days.

It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child.

You only assume this is why people decide to have kids. Sure, there might be some who do this, but some people actually do want to experience creating and raising another human being. That and we have a natural instinct to procreate.

I do hate really annoying kids, though. I know all kids can be a pain sometimes, but I am talking about the REALLY annoying ones. That I will admit.

\ How would you feel if your parents or relatives hated you because you were a kid.

If they had killed me,like they planned, I wouldn't have to lead the fucked up life they created for me with all the bills to the psychiatrist..........

What? Kids? Innocent? Human BEINGS?

I'm confused. Did some of you grow up in sheltered little mansions where you were homeschooled into thinking that the world is a perfect place? Do you also happen to believe that all of mankind is inherently made of sweet, sweet sugar?

Where were the kids that would curse at you and duct tape you to the bottom of the bleachers for having a bad haircut? Where were the kids who barrelled down the hallways at school thinking they owned it, knocking you to the ground and having the audacity to say "Get out of my way, sh**head," afterward?

No. You can't say all children are wonderful.

i love kids. the only kids i dont like are the ones that havent been taught respect and responsibility because their politically correct parents dont believe in raising the bar and refuse to discipline them. kids are very capable if given a chance,but they are becoming watered down like the rest of society thanks to the effort to infantize them and turn them into sheep-drones. got all F's on your report card? thats ok,heres a PS2. im sure the teachers just dont understand you. i love you son,youre still special! what? you got suspended from school for fighting? its no wonder you get F's! how can they expect you to pass if they keep sending you home?! what kind of school allows ruffians like that anyway?

(yeah...)


i also agree that people who cant devote time to their kids EVERY day should not have kids. the tv is not a babysitter,and neither is your poor mother. theyre YOUR kids. love them,or get an abortion next time. better yet,stop being lazy and selfish and just use birth control...

OMG I must worship you now


Ditto. I HATE kids. I hope I'm never stupid or unlucky enough to end up pregnant, and then be stuck raising a little parasite, taking all your time and money. Not to mention the frustration, the sleep deprivation, the lack of a social life...If that's what you want to do, go for it. But I definitely never want to have them.

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

I equally hate children.

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

Nobody gives a shit about your stupid plight, dipshit. Really, who cares? Anyone (that knows who Maddox is) can notice that your idea is a copy of Maddox's hate for kids.

Get your own ideas next time, bitch.

I too hate kids... and most cultures just have to encourage them to behave like worthless brats. But my main complaint is the noise. Babies are the worst but they don't understand the words "shut up," so not much to be done there unfortunately. Kids (with a few, a very FEW exceptions) have absolutely nothing to say and never stop saying it in their annoying high pitched voices repeating the same phrases over and over. And some people call it 'cute,' I call it idiotic. We can fix all problems by not letting kids be noisy whiny little bastards. IE make it socially commendable to say "shut the hell up" to a kid who behaving in the above manner.

By kids i mean single-digit ages especially on the low end.

WOW! Talk about extreme. How dare you suggest something like this, using harsh words with children. People like you really don't need kids, because people like you would be the parents of those "annoying" "worthless" brats. It's interesting how people like you blame the child for it's behavior, rather than the source, which is the parents. Maybe you hate these kids because it reminds you of how your parents raised you, or lack thereof. If you want to be able to tell kids to "Shut the hell up," then, have kids of your own and do it to them, we'll see how well-raised they are, assuming child services allows you to keep them period.

If they had killed me,like they planned, I wouldn't have to lead the fucked up life they created for me with all the bills to the psychiatrist..........

While this is horrible, this is no excuse for *your* behavior. And if you hate children so much, WHY ARE YOU WORKING IN A CHILDREN'S MUSEUM! Why not do the intelligent thing, if you're capable, and work somewhere away from children. And it wouldn't hurt for you to get away from your supposed hateful family. Don't take your anger out on children that have no relation to you whatsoever.

What? Kids? Innocent? Human BEINGS?

I'm confused. Did some of you grow up in sheltered little mansions where you were homeschooled into thinking that the world is a perfect place? Do you also happen to believe that all of mankind is inherently made of sweet, sweet sugar?

Where were the kids that would curse at you and duct tape you to the bottom of the bleachers for having a bad haircut? Where were the kids who barrelled down the hallways at school thinking they owned it, knocking you to the ground and having the audacity to say "Get out of my way, sh**head," afterward?

No. You can't say all children are wonderful.

Interestingly, I wasn't raised in a mansion, nor was I born with a silver-spoon in my mouth. I was just lucky enough to be raised by very caring parents, and went to school in a very upstanding (althought not upscale) school district. And, believe it or not, I got picked on quite a bit as a child. Hell, in the 5th grade, I was headlocked by a girl 1 foot taller than me who played soccer. So yes, I've been in the situation where I've put up with rude kids. But, you know what, I realized most of what they did to me, was because I was as much an ass to them as they were to me. When I mellowed out, nearly all of them did the same. By the time I graduated high school, I was nearly friends with all of them. So, kids can be cruel, but I've learned they don't be cruel unless they have a good reason to (there may be 1 or 2 who *do* behave cruel because they can, but then they're the ones that you'll see on TV for crimes they've committed).

Kids, when they're born, including you all on this thread, were born innocent. You had no perception of good or evil, you had no idea what was going on in the world, you had no knowledge of sexuality, Einstein, or even that 2+2=4. You were born, a basic blank slate (with the obvious inherent instincts such as breathing, and a very basic self-awareness). Children become cruel and "fucked up" because of experiences in their lives.

Either way, you children haters have no decent argument. You're just pissed off at the world because your lives suck, and you take it out on the one thing that's easiest for you, which is children. And that is only because you all work in jobs that deal with children. Maybe it's time for a career change. Otherwise, take your own advice and, SHUT THE HELL UP!

I'm just going to take a few pieces of your post, Rheins.

So, kids can be cruel, but I've learned they don't be cruel unless they have a good reason to (there may be 1 or 2 who *do* behave cruel because they can, but then they're the ones that you'll see on TV for crimes they've committed).

Children become cruel and "fucked up" because of experiences in their lives.

Either way, you children haters have no decent argument. You're just pissed off at the world because your lives suck, and you take it out on the one thing that's easiest for you, which is children. And that is only because you all work in jobs that deal with children.

I'm extremely antisocial in real life and make sure that I do *nothing* to attract the ire or attention of anyone. On the bus (I'm still in high school.) I look out the window and say nothing for the entire duration of the trip. Every day. I'm not saying this for sympathy. There's a few kids (some younger, some older) who insist on messing with people like me because they can. Note that I'm not saying that all children are cruel. There are many that are just as reasonable as you or I. (After all, children become adults eventually. If all of them were terrible, who'd be intelligent enough to create a fictional playground for us to argue about this?) The thing is that there are *far* too many people like this.

Read "A Modest Proposal" and I believe that you will come to love and cherish children as much as I do. I mean they have so many uses the little burgers.....err buggers.

Ok, I feel really stupid but I'm coming up blank on what this is. It's probably really obvious and I'm just not seeing what's right in front of me right now. Ugh! :headbang:
The front leaning rest postion is the start position for doing push-ups correctly. The body is supported by the arms, elbows locked, palms flat on the floor. The body must be kept in a straight line from the back of the head to the heels. :)

Read "A Modest Proposal" and I believe that you will come to love and cherish children as much as I do. I mean they have so many uses the little burgers.....err buggers.
I wholeheartedly agree. What everyone here is forgetting is how children benefit the rest of us. Specifically at dinner time.

I'm just going to take a few pieces of your post, Rheins.



I'm extremely antisocial in real life and make sure that I do *nothing* to attract the ire or attention of anyone. On the bus (I'm still in high school.) I look out the window and say nothing for the entire duration of the trip. Every day. I'm not saying this for sympathy. There's a few kids (some younger, some older) who insist on messing with people like me because they can. Note that I'm not saying that all children are cruel. There are many that are just as reasonable as you or I. (After all, children become adults eventually. If all of them were terrible, who'd be intelligent enough to create a fictional playground for us to argue about this?) The thing is that there are *far* too many people like this.

I was antisocial, but for different reasons. I found opening up helped a lot. Kids are like adults, they attack what they don't understand out of sheer fear. Because of things like Columbine, antisocial teens and children are now pegged as the ones that will "shoot out the school". It may very well be that, some of them are trying to provoke you into a rage like that of the Columbine shooters. Others could be teasing you to try and get you to open up (although not successfully.) It's not my place to be judgemental of you as a person, because you seem reasonable (and quite intelligent). But, humans as a species, just like our primate cousins, are social beings. Even if we feel like we should be "antisocial", it doesn't help, anyone. You could always try and find people from school with whom you have commonalities with. You'd be surprised. I don't want to seem cruel when I ask this, but, do you have friends you hang out with at school, and outside of school?

I Eat Kids.

Hmmm, without kids we would all die out because we would not want to repopulate. Hahaha dumbass's!

Explosive']suck my dick, die a very slow and painful death you fucking ass hole :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :upyours:along with this garbage you call an excuse to hate us kids. :headbang: :mad:
Ever think that kind of thing is why people hate children? Hint: It is.

Explosive']suck my dick, die a very slow and painful death you fucking ass hole :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :upyours:along with this garbage you call an excuse to hate us kids. :headbang: :mad:

Here is a perfect example as to why many people dislike kids.

Thank you for making yourself a perfect example, moron.

p.s.

ass

I was antisocial, but for different reasons. I found opening up helped a lot. Kids are like adults, they attack what they don't understand out of sheer fear. Because of things like Columbine, antisocial teens and children are now pegged as the ones that will "shoot out the school". It may very well be that, some of them are trying to provoke you into a rage like that of the Columbine shooters. Others could be teasing you to try and get you to open up (although not successfully.) It's not my place to be judgemental of you as a person, because you seem reasonable (and quite intelligent). But, humans as a species, just like our primate cousins, are social beings. Even if we feel like we should be "antisocial", it doesn't help, anyone. You could always try and find people from school with whom you have commonalities with. You'd be surprised. I don't want to seem cruel when I ask this, but, do you have friends you hang out with at school, and outside of school?

Getting a little off topic here, but I'll go with it because I started it. I agree with you. I realize that it's impossible to get through life without social interaction.

I used to talk and try to make friends. I've just found that I have an aversion to it now. The best way I can describe it is that if you give an animal a jolt of pain when they reach for food, the animal learns not to try anymore. I used to regret what I did or said and always beat myself up about it afterward.

Anyway, a lot of kids aren't "trying to get a rise" out of others. Maliciousness is more common than a lot of people think. It's fun, they get away with it, so who cares? I don't know whether or not this is a result of bad parenting, life experience, or predisposition, but it's my opinion that too many are like this.

By the way, I have a few of what I would call "friends." I can count them on one hand though.

Ever think that kind of thing is why people hate children? Hint: It is.

But he's a kid. His parents obviously haven't taught him how to behave.

The world can fit and feed over 50 billion people.And it's unlikely that we'll ever get that many.
It CAN doesn't mean that it WILL, we would have to destroy a lot of houses for that.

I love kids.

When I have kids, I'm going to make sure they have unpopular names so they don't end up with 10 kids in their class with the same name because that's jsut fucking irritating.

I'm named Sarah, the second most popular girl's name in north america at the time of my birth. You think my parents would have taken a hint when the lady who shared a delivery room with my mom (there was a curtain) also named her daughter Sarah.

Kids are great, as long as they're between the ages of 2 and 7....after that, they get a mind of thier own and become nothing more than a pesky nusance

But he's a kid. His parents obviously haven't taught him how to behave.
His parents aren't the ones coming here and being stupid, so I blame him for the things he does.

Nobody gives a shit about your stupid plight, dipshit. Really, who cares? Anyone (that knows who Maddox is) can notice that your idea is a copy of Maddox's hate for kids.

Get your own ideas next time, bitch.

I would guess that the people who read and commented on this thread would care, since they took the time to do so. And not everyone is blessed by the knowledge of Maddox, so back off; there's no need to be so hostile.

Getting a little off topic here, but I'll go with it because I started it. I agree with you. I realize that it's impossible to get through life without social interaction.

I used to talk and try to make friends. I've just found that I have an aversion to it now. The best way I can describe it is that if you give an animal a jolt of pain when they reach for food, the animal learns not to try anymore. I used to regret what I did or said and always beat myself up about it afterward.

Anyway, a lot of kids aren't "trying to get a rise" out of others. Maliciousness is more common than a lot of people think. It's fun, they get away with it, so who cares? I don't know whether or not this is a result of bad parenting, life experience, or predisposition, but it's my opinion that too many are like this.

By the way, I have a few of what I would call "friends." I can count them on one hand though.

Well...I think there are a lot of factors involved in children's behavior, most of which we're not privy to. But, considering that violence is in our nature, seeing as how our genetic ancestors had to fight for survival, It's not a surprise that it's a disposition in so many people. They just give into the animal instincts, rather than accepting reason for intellect. But, if it makes you feel any better, when you go to college, it's a whole different world. I've found people to be extremely accepting (except those mormon- and baptist-based colleges).

His parents aren't the ones coming here and being stupid, so I blame him for the things he does.

But it's his parents that either taught him this behavior is acceptable, or they haven't taught him that it's unacceptable. Either way, the source is still his parents. Granted, if I were one of his parents, I'd punish him for those remarks. He should be held accountable for them, just as much as his parents.

Well, you certainly don't have to worry about being accused of pædophilia, SB.

Bigotted idiots - - You hate children? Tough teets. They're necessary, plain and simple. Kids aren't kids forever (our scientist have proven this). Perhaps you'd rather us all be born the way Mork from Ork was? From an egg and aged 75.

As a single, 20-year-old male, I may not be in the best position to relate to those with an avid disgust for youth ... but shame on you. Children are the human story. They are why you're here. Nothing anyone does will EVER matter in their lifetime. The world you're working to build belongs to our descendants; The men and women of tomorrow whom will regard us with either reverance or disgust. Think about the history you make for us all when you say the things you do. Lest further generations brand the society that spawned your wretched soul a stain on the human tapestry. Make no mistake ... kids will keep coming.

Would you people, before denouncing kids as mean, selfish brats, care to notice that you are engaging in extremely mean, and in fact JUVINILE behavior. You were all kids once. I am an advocate for stopping bullying and civility, but to hold children to the same social standards as adults is rediculous. In fact, the mental traits that start to reign in behavior do not, in fact, fully develop until adulthood. Finally, I would like you guys to think, briefly, before you post: what would you feel, as a kid, if you heard these comments. Be honest! I don't think you'd be very happy.

BTW, I'm 13. Do you think this is a post a dumb, slobbering brat would post?

But it's his parents that either taught him this behavior is acceptable, or they haven't taught him that it's unacceptable. Either way, the source is still his parents. Granted, if I were one of his parents, I'd punish him for those remarks. He should be held accountable for them, just as much as his parents.
And yet its still the kid coming here being an idiot. It doesn't really matter what he was taught, we're responsible for our own actions at any age.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate kids. I still remember what it was like to be one, and I'm hardly going to be that guy who cuts up nerf balls that knocked into my yard. Now granted I never, ever, ever, want to have kids. I don't like dealing with them alot, but hey they still have a right to do their thing. Children are the future, but today belongs to us.

Finally, I would like you guys to think, briefly, before you post: what would you feel, as a kid, if you heard these comments. Be honest! I don't think you'd be very happy.

BTW, I'm 13. Do you think this is a post a dumb, slobbering brat would post?
I would ignore it and get on with my life. Getting all offended about something this trivial, and getting your feelings hurt is pretty dumb.

BTW I know you've heard this a million times, but I'm only 20 so I do actually remeber beeing 13 quite clearly, what you think now is wrong and you will not feel that same way when you are older even a few years older. Don't think you understand everything, simply take everything in stride forming your opinions slowly from all the information you can gather.

I would ignore it and get on with my life. Getting all offended about something this trivial, and getting your feelings hurt is pretty dumb.

BTW I know you've heard this a million times, but I'm only 20 so I do actually remeber beeing 13 quite clearly, what you think now is wrong and you will not feel that same way when you are older even a few years older. Don't think you understand everything, simply take everything in stride forming your opinions slowly from all the information you can gather.
Hell you say! I'm 61 ( 62 later this month ), and I well remember being 13 ... and most unhappy about it at the time too!

I don't, I merely felt a kid's point of view would only be fair in a forum filled with adults bashing us.

Hell you say! I'm 61 ( 62 later this month ), and I well remember being 13 ... and most unhappy about it at the time too!
lol, well thats fair enough. I've never been 61 so I can't say how well I would remeber then.

I don't, I merely felt a kid's point of view would only be fair in a forum filled with adults bashing us.
I understand that, and I wasn't attacking you. I'm sorry if it looked that way.

lol, well thats fair enough. I've never been 61 so I can't say how well I would remeber then.
Huh? What do you mean? "Remember" what??? :D

HA! I knew I should have began making sympathy cards for pregnant women. I figured there would me a market for them.

HA! I knew I should have began making sympathy cards for pregnant women. I figured there would me a market for them.
I say informational pamphlets: "So You've Decided to Ruin Your Life"

i hate kids too

I say informational pamphlets: "So You've Decided to Ruin Your Life"

:D

I hate pre-teens, I hate middle schoolers, I hate freshmen

I especially hate 10 year olds who wear mini skirts and tube tops.

heh, no more kids?

would you be willing to have no more sex, or has that not gone through your mind?


Also, who will produce labor when your older? You dont want to still have to work hard at age 70 because there is no more adults (who would have been kids when you decided no more and thus wouldnt be born) to do hard labour or any type of work for you??????


I mean, we would defenitally do the world a favor by becoming an extinct species


And also, i believe someone suggested a parent liscence before you can have kids. Well, how exactly is that enforced??? I mean, its pretty hard to catch someone/stop someone from having unprotected sex. Unless of course they would then have to adopt it out or have an abortion so the doctor would check it once the couple announced pregnancy

heh, no more kids?

would you be willing to have no more sex, or has that not gone through your mind?

I take it you've never heard of condoms? :confused:

which are not 100% foolproof


are did you not know that you can still get pregnant even when using both condoms and birth control

There is only one solution that will satisfy everyone. In these days on increased terror and school shootings, obviously some children will deveop into terrorists. Following the great example Bush has set for us, because we cannot know for certain which child will and which child won't, we must pre-emptive strike all children, everywhere, of every race, creed, religion, and state of development. Whether one day or 17 years and 11 months, get the pitchforks and move them to the slaughter house.

Might as well kill the unborn ones, too. Anyone got a coat hanger?

This will also prevent global starvation. And I don't mean that there will be less mouths to feed :eek:

so soylent green?


but once again, that poses the question of who will do the hard labor in your old age if theres no youngen to do it for you?

Kids rock. I love kids. They can so brighten an otherwise dull day. I dont know about having kids around 24/7. That could be quite nerve racking. But having kids around in small doses is great.

what a pointless thread

kids may be the future, but the present belongs to me!

what a pointless thread
and what an even more pointless post

Im not a big fan of children myself. I hear people talk about how cute a child is, but I dont see it. I dont mind if people have children, Im just not a big fan myself. However, I do enjoy teenagers. They tend to have the intelligence to hold a decent conversation, and you can learn a lot from them. They can also be receptive to higher thinking and you dont have to dumb yourself down when speaking with them.

but once again, that poses the question of who will do the hard labor in your old age if theres no youngen to do it for you?

Your mom can go into labor, and I don't mean birthing no babies...

Sorry...

Um... Why do we need hard labor? We just preemptive struck the bleak future and therefore have none to work for. When we get all old and can't pee, our minds would be so utterly destroyed we would be mentally children so that's when we have the second and final pre-emptive strike. Therefore, when we get too old to work (and begin to take on the mental state of children), we are: 1) ground up for food/fertillizer/lawn furniture/shag (wait... we outlawed shagging... or at least we'll pre-emptive strike whatever came from shagging) rugs 2) When everyone is like this, we pre-emptive strike each other and the last one standing get's the "prize"

I really don't see what you are talking about it, My Utopia works, just like soylent green. I mean we grind up our dead and solve world hunger. Like after we kill them, like they really need their body!

which are not 100% foolproof


are did you not know that you can still get pregnant even when using both condoms and birth control
Which is why we have morning after pills and abortion clinics. We have pretty much every base covered. The risk of pregnancy is not an impediment to sex.

The world can fit and feed over 50 billion people.And it's unlikely that we'll ever get that many.
well first of all thats total bullshit we cant feed everyone we have right now

and for a second lets pretend that is true, what would the quality of living be? you would not have a house you would be like those damn japs who sleep in tubes(not all japs do that)

and there is going to be more and more land being given to graveyards so there will be a big waste of space, but for you the rainforests are probably dispensable and you probably are considering Antarctica, Siberia, the Arctic, northern Canadia and all the crap, whoever came up with that statistic is a moron

Im not a big fan of children myself. I hear people talk about how cute a child is, but I dont see it. I dont mind if people have children, Im just not a big fan myself. However, I do enjoy teenagers. They tend to have the intelligence to hold a decent conversation, and you can learn a lot from them. They can also be receptive to higher thinking and you dont have to dumb yourself down when speaking with them.

You "enjoy" teenagers? I'd better watch out (just turned 17)

The bad part about teenagers is they tend to make rude comments... and a few of them can't make intelligent comments (read any of my posts as proof).

Haha, you said "higher thinking" when talking about teenagers...

The bad part about teenagers is they tend to make rude comments...

That is what she said! ;)

well first of all thats total bullshit we cant feed everyone we have right now

and for a second lets pretend that is true, what would the quality of living be? you would not have a house you would be like those damn japs who sleep in tubes(not all japs do that)

and there is going to be more and more land being given to graveyards so there will be a big waste of space, but for you the rainforests are probably dispensable and you probably are considering Antarctica, Siberia, the Arctic, northern Canadia and all the crap, whoever came up with that statistic is a moron



well, firstly, we could feed everyone if we didnt waste as much, if farmers were not payed not to farm, etc.


Secondly, same. If rich/poor was much more equal, though i still dont think that many and not really that comfortable


lastly, why cant houses be built on top of graveyards? Or nevamind, people are gonna be food when they die so they dont need to be buried we decided. Plus, that would also help with the food issue ;:

Your mom can go into labor, and I don't mean birthing no babies...

Sorry...

Um... Why do we need hard labor? We just preemptive struck the bleak future and therefore have none to work for. When we get all old and can't pee, our minds would be so utterly destroyed we would be mentally children so that's when we have the second and final pre-emptive strike. Therefore, when we get too old to work (and begin to take on the mental state of children), we are: 1) ground up for food/fertillizer/lawn furniture/shag (wait... we outlawed shagging... or at least we'll pre-emptive strike whatever came from shagging) rugs 2) When everyone is like this, we pre-emptive strike each other and the last one standing get's the "prize"

I really don't see what you are talking about it, My Utopia works, just like soylent green. I mean we grind up our dead and solve world hunger. Like after we kill them, like they really need their body!
in case you arent kidding i hope that you never achieve any type of power in way in this world

That is what she said!

You need to dumb this down for me. Did I quote someone (accidentally) early in the thread?

[insert rude comment] :fluffle:

I'm an "all of the above," if that she refers to me

("he" actually, but children should be refered to as "it", as they have not fully developed their gender :D )

well, firstly, we could feed everyone if we didnt waste as much, if farmers were not payed not to farm, etc.


Secondly, same. If rich/poor was much more equal, though i still dont think that many and not really that comfortable


lastly, why cant houses be built on top of graveyards? Or nevamind, people are gonna be food when they die so they dont need to be buried we decided. Plus, that would also help with the food issue ;:
i keep on forgetting not to take practically anything on this forum seriously

When compared to young children teenagers can think more clearly (once the hormones subside). Most people hate their rebellious nature, but I see it as a time when they are most receptive to new ideas. Their brains are like sponges.
My girlfriend is a pediatric nurse for cancer kids, I hear all the stories when she gets home. Her career is admirable, but I would hate to do what she does for kids, let alone every day for years. Children (to me) are nothing but a burden, a necessary burden, but a burden nonetheless.

Remember:

Babies and children are cute and cuddly to begin with... but they grow up.

I don't think children are a necessary burden. I hate children (despite being one of them). They're a bunch of snot-nosed, immature rugrats. When they become teenagers, they're just rude, rebellious, horny, and like to go on shooting sprees ON TOP OF (hahahaha :fluffle: ... on top of) being immature, snot-nosed rugrats.

As a conservative, my stand point is to pre-emptive strike them. :sniper:

Think clearly no good for Bashan. Bashan no good for think clearly. My brain isn't a sponge in chemistry... Maybe in history and english, but not chemistry... Geometry, meh...

[ADHD (I have the inattentive kind) teenagers of the world UNITE!]

actually, i think children can


they know what they want and most are less likely to lie well or about big things


also, they havent been as impressioned by society and still have inocent minds


like there is so much going on in my life (im 14 btw) that my mom has no idea about. And young children tell you everything

Okay, so I started out with the intention of reading this all the way through.... (I had assumed that it would be some sort of joke. I see now that I was wrong.) Sadly it was far too depressing... It seems that you are all as yet unaware of the fact that there are kids out there on the brink of starvation, trying to keep a family together, and for all practical purposes alone. All I can say is that I would hate to have met any of you at the age of ten since I'm guessing that most of you kid haters started out as the kind of child that you now hate.

I hope that none of this has offended anyone but if it has, and if I am off the nets tomorrow, I will console myself with the thought that you have said worse of me. Yup, Fourteen.
I hope you can forgive me since between quoting Shakespeare, Gandhi, Darwin, and Douglas Adams, I am still inclined to have the occasional temper tantrum. Thank you for helping me vent my teenage anger.

Remember:

Babies and children are cute and cuddly to begin with... but they grow up.
Yeah, and you can't flush them down the toliet like alligators.

Okay, so I started out with the intention of reading this all the way through.... (I had assumed that it would be some sort of joke. I see now that I was wrong.) Sadly it was far too depressing... It seems that you are all as yet unaware of the fact that there are kids out there on the brink of starvation, trying to keep a family together, and for all practical purposes alone. All I can say is that I would hate to have met any of you at the age of ten since I'm guessing that most of you kid haters started out as the kind of child that you now hate.

I hope that none of this has offended anyone but if it has, and if I am off the nets tomorrow, I will console myself with the thought that you have said worse of me. Yup, Fourteen.
I hope you can forgive me since between quoting Shakespeare, Gandhi, Darwin, and Douglas Adams, I am still inclined to have the occasional temper tantrum. Thank you for helping me vent my teenage anger.

Clearly you haven't read my posts. I pragmatically realized the problem, came up with a viable, satisfactory soultion. In no way does the pre-emptive strike demonstrate a hate of children. It is necessary for the survival of the older generation.

It's all about practicallity.

like there is so much going on in my life (im 14 btw) that my mom has no idea about.


Ha, I remember when I used to think that too.

Okay, so I started out with the intention of reading this all the way through.... (I had assumed that it would be some sort of joke. I see now that I was wrong.) Sadly it was far too depressing... It seems that you are all as yet unaware of the fact that there are kids out there on the brink of starvation, trying to keep a family together, and for all practical purposes alone. All I can say is that I would hate to have met any of you at the age of ten since I'm guessing that most of you kid haters started out as the kind of child that you now hate.

I hope that none of this has offended anyone but if it has, and if I am off the nets tomorrow, I will console myself with the thought that you have said worse of me. Yup, Fourteen.
I hope you can forgive me since between quoting Shakespeare, Gandhi, Darwin, and Douglas Adams, I am still inclined to have the occasional temper tantrum. Thank you for helping me vent my teenage anger.



err most of it is a joke. I mean some peopl in this thread hate kids. I myself a teenger dispise other teens. But no ones seriously suggesting soylent green or no more kids at all.

Yeah, and you can't flush them down the toliet like alligators.

We...we can't?

Anyone know the number of a good plumber?

err most of it is a joke. I mean some peopl in this thread hate kids. I myself a teenger dispise other teens. But no ones seriously suggesting soylent green or no more kids at all.

Speak for yourself...

Hey! Wait! I know this thread, I've seen it before.

Just replace the standard rant, and the word "kids" with "religion". And you get the same sort of replies, from supposedly sensible adults.

Or, if we don't want to pick on the religious folk (there are lots of them around) let's go the other way, and replace the word "kids" with "evolution". Hey, or "gun control".

It's all the same sort of argument and posts.

Consider other peoples feelings. post sensible facts and/or opinions on the topic, try not to offend anyone, and move on.

I like the soylent green solution best, myself.

Also, addressing this topic specifically, overpopulation isn't a reason to hate kids. I'm not planning to breed (because I, too, feel the world is overpopulated) but that does not mean I dislike other peoples children.

I dislike many children because I can't relate to them, and they have aspects that annoy me. I also like many children, for exactly the opposite reason. And, incidentally, some of the most sensible posts in this topic have come from the "kids"

We...we can't?

Anyone know the number of a good plumber?
gotta chop 'em first, just like with adults. The advantage is there is usually less of them after the chopping, and they can usually not put up as much of a fight.

I dislike many children because I can't relate to them, and they have aspects that annoy me. I also like many children, for exactly the opposite reason. And, incidentally, some of the most sensible posts in this topic have come from the "kids"

*Takes a bow* As a kid, I'd like to say that you are too kind. Thankfully, you'll be spared in the soylent green based pre-emptive strike :fluffle:

EDIT: You said "gun control" and "kids" in the same paragraph. That's like using the term "smart" while talking about a liberal. There will be no need for religion, gun control with pre-emptive strike. You also won't have all this fuss about abortion and how the industrial slaughter of our nation's youth is somehow the right of femmofacists.

gotta chop 'em first, just like with adults. The advantage is there is usually less of them after the chopping, and they can usually not put up as much of a fight.

That's horrible!

I was hoping the kid would live free in the sewers and maybe learn kung-fu from a mutated rat.

The world can fit and feed over 50 billion people.And it's unlikely that we'll ever get that many.
You're forgetting carrying capacity. Perhaps that is the maximum, but what standard of living is that?
The carrying capacity for the Earth, assuming everyone enjoys the average standard of living for the US, is 2.3 billion. The CC for everyone enjoying average Japanese standard of living is about 6 billion. 12 billion is nearing the red line end of the limit, with everyone having the average standard of living of someone in Bangladesh, iirc. I would expect that at 50 billion, everyone would be at subsitence level - as in, they only have food, and all they get is food, and thats assuming no one hoards it. Maybe if we make some extremely revolutionary leap in agriculture, we can bump up the standards. Fact is, as of now, if we keep multiplying like this, either everyone is going to suffer, whether the future world system is capitalism or socialism.

Please if you hate kids. Dont ever ever have them. There is something wrong with you in the first place not to ever want any. Since we are hard wired to reproduce. It is a obviously natures way of weeding out bad genes. Just make the person not want to reproduce. Ingenius if you think about it. So please follow through what you little heads are telling you. Sounds cruel to say. But think about it for a bit. I might be making some sense.
Flamebait. And stupid flamebait at that.

Okay...wow, such hostility towards the most innocent human beings on earth.

I'm glad people like the ones on the first page of replies, and the author of of this thread, hate kids, because people like you don't need to be breeding period.
Kids are NOT innocent. You're really fooling yourself. At the least, they're benevolently malicious (a la Dennis the Menace), but most of the time they're self-centered, conniving brats. Having been a kid up until the last 6 or so years, I would know. Also flamebait on the second account.

You kid haters don't get it--I plan to procreate as fast as possible, such that my spawn will be so numerous they'll darken the skies, provided you're lying on your back. My genetic legacy will rule the planet, and take away your Social Security benefits when you're old. Go ahead and don't have kids--you're just making my job and that of my progeny that much easier.
And then they all starve to death because of overcrowding. Good job.

Personally, I don't hate kids. They're not overrunning my dorm, and I don't have to interact with them on a daily basis, so I don't really care about them. However, I am reluctant to ever have children, mainly because of the problems mentioned above, and the responsibility of raising them. If I ever do marry, however, she'll probably be the one who ultimately decides.

It's interesting how my pointless rants get all these responses and my well-thought out 'points' get ignored...

It must be tragic to be so cynical at such a young age.

What do I think about children? I think they are our future. ( shrug )

Poetic, but nonsensical. Children are the future of our genes - some of them. After a few generations the "you" part of "your" future is practically nothing. But I myself don't see "genes" as "me," therefore I don't see "children" as "my future."

Duh. And that's one of the reasons why I have always thought that anyone who "hates" children is, in fact "hating" his or her own future. You don't have to have children of your own to care about children.

So if someone doesn't have children they have no future? What a terrible outlook to have. As if the only point in life was to replicate your body. If that's the case, then bacteria and rabbits must have the most meaningful lives.

Hmm... Isn't this a bit hypocrtical as you were once a kid yourself?

Not really. But if it was I wouldn't care, because unlike many professed Bible thumpers around here, my personal philosophy doesn't include the "going to hell" clause for "being a hypocrate." Lucky me, I can express an opinion without eternal damnation.

Please if you hate kids. Dont ever ever have them. There is something wrong with you in the first place not to ever want any. Since we are hard wired to reproduce. It is a obviously natures way of weeding out bad genes. Just make the person not want to reproduce. Ingenius if you think about it. So please follow through what you little heads are telling you. Sounds cruel to say. But think about it for a bit. I might be making some sense.

You don't seem to have the slightest bit of knowledge about genes or culture. Apparently you think people only make posts or have opinions because of "hard wiring." There are no higher brain functions in Marrakech II's paradigm... just collections of brain stems programmed only to reproduce, and only to constantly think of nothing but reproduction, and only to love the proliferation of everyone else's reproduction efforts.

This thread is mainly showing me one reason I hate kids. They grow up and type annoying responses to my posts.

Okay...wow, such hostility towards the most innocent human beings on earth.

I'm glad people like the ones on the first page of replies, and the author of of this thread, hate kids, because people like you don't need to be breeding period.


Oh, human children are the most innocent? Why's that? Because you say so? Please. And I like how you criticize me for having "hostility" and the next sentence tell me "people like you" shouldn't be "breeding."

And, need I remind you that at one point you all were kids yourselves? How would you feel if your parents or relatives hated you because you were a kid. It's amazing how quickly adults seem to forget that they were kids once in your lives. Maybe, if kids are giving you people trouble, it's probably because they can feel what terrors you are to humanity yourselves.

Oh yeah. I forgot. I was a kid. How can I forget? Man, I was posting and during that time I'd completely lost knowledge and memory of the basic facts of biological existence. Good thing I have people like YOU to remind me. Maybe your silly ideas about my motivations have no relevance because they're obvious and baseless speculation.

You know, kids that get into smoking and doing drugs, and sex and all that, are because they're raised by people like you (the author of this thread). Or they have to deal with people like you.


Ah yes. It couldn't be because they're raised by people who WANT children, want to have LOTs of them, and can't AFFORD them, and the children grow up to be crack addicts because their parents were so eager to 'contribute' to the world that they forgot that theres more to reproduction than pregnancy and childbirth. It has to be because of people like me - people who obviously want nothing to do with kids, let alone fill the world up with ones who "smoke and do drugs and sex."

You know, I hate to be a cliche here, but I think the problem is caused by people like YOU since you think it's your god-given duty to procreate. Just like the parents of crack babies do.

This thread shouldn't even be allowed to exist. But since it *is* here, why don't you "children haters" grow up and act more like your age. I look forward to having children. At least I know intelligence will survive to the next generation.

Ah, so you assume that intelligence genes can never be recessive?


And go ahead and flame me for my opinion. See what it gets you.

Thanks, I will. It makes me look a lot better to put you in your place.

And I'm pretty sure you're only posting since you're concerned about how well YOU look. People like you who feel the need to 'defend' commonly held beliefs against every minor opinion are mostly all about that.

I used to think I complained a lot prior to reading this. Seriously, calm down. =-/ You don't sound like the person who really needs to ever raise kids either. You talk about parents neglecting their children in a bad context, yet you seem to have the attitude of a neglectful parent.

And what is the "attitude of a neglectful parent?" I don't think you fully understand my attitude, or the attitudes of all neglectful parents, well enough to make that statement.

This is based solely on the assumption that you know everything about the majourity of families these days.


Oh, well there are so many omniscient beings who post on this forum! I am simply just another one of them. ;)

You only assume this is why people decide to have kids. Sure, there might be some who do this, but some people actually do want to experience creating and raising another human being. That and we have a natural instinct to procreate.

There's more to procreation than having sex and childbirth. Maybe my natural instinct can be tempered by human thought because I'm special like that.

Anyway, I didn't say that was the ONLY reason people didn't have kids, it was just one I chose among the more detestable ones. I mean... I could try to do a more comprehensive rant here, but at that point people would just stop reading...

Nobody gives a shit about your stupid plight, dipshit. Really, who cares? Anyone (that knows who Maddox is) can notice that your idea is a copy of Maddox's hate for kids.

Get your own ideas next time, bitch.

OOHHH. Someone ELSE hates kids?? And they PATENTED their hate!

Since you apparently peel through Maddox's site like a madman looking for all the patented ideas, and then check other forums like this for anyone who might be infringing on that copyright, may I suggest your stupid assertions are nothing more than expressing your homoerotic feelings towards your hero Maddox?

I notice you said "bitch" there. Anyone can see that that's one of Maddox's favorite words. Why don't you get your OWN words next time?

If no one gives a shit, why is everyone - including you - posting about it? If you truly gave no shits, you wouldn't even have bothered to post about my ideas.

If you're going to come up with some Maddox-like anti-rant at me, at least don't sound too similar to a moron when you do so. Thanks.



I'd respond to some of the other flames, like Rheins Bow's bleating and senseless moaning about how I'm an idiot, or people trying to corner me with their cute perceptions of logic like "kids will keep coming," but it's no sense arguing with kids as they just insist and insist and insist and cannot be reasoned with.

You kid haters don't get it--I plan to procreate as fast as possible, such that my spawn will be so numerous they'll darken the skies, provided you're lying on your back. My genetic legacy will rule the planet, and take away your Social Security benefits when you're old. Go ahead and don't have kids--you're just making my job and that of my progeny that much easier.

You use that as a pick-up line at the clubs?

It's interesting how my pointless rants get all these responses and my well-thought out 'points' get ignored...

I'm glad to see I'm not grouped with the pointless rants ;)

I'll *bump* this, by quoting the most valid points made thus far (I don't suppose I can quote myself?):

There is only one solution that will satisfy everyone. In these days on increased terror and school shootings, obviously some children will deveop into terrorists. Following the great example Bush has set for us, because we cannot know for certain which child will and which child won't, we must pre-emptive strike all children, everywhere, of every race, creed, religion, and state of development. Whether one day or 17 years and 11 months, get the pitchforks and move them to the slaughter house.

Might as well kill the unborn ones, too. Anyone got a coat hanger?

This will also prevent global starvation. And I don't mean that there will be less mouths to feed

Q: Then who does hard labor?

A: Your mom can go into labor, and I don't mean birthing no babies...

Sorry...

Um... Why do we need hard labor? We just preemptive struck the bleak future and therefore have none to work for. When we get all old and can't pee, our minds would be so utterly destroyed we would be mentally children so that's when we have the second and final pre-emptive strike. Therefore, when we get too old to work (and begin to take on the mental state of children), we are: 1) ground up for food/fertillizer/lawn furniture/shag (wait... we outlawed shagging... or at least we'll pre-emptive strike whatever came from shagging) rugs 2) When everyone is like this, we pre-emptive strike each other and the last one standing gets the "prize"

I really don't see what you are talking about it, My Utopia works, just like soylent green. I mean we grind up our dead and solve world hunger. Like after we kill them, like they really need their body! In no way does the pre-emptive strike demonstrate a hate of children. It is necessary for the survival of the older generation. It's all about practicality.

I don't think children are a necessary burden. I hate children (despite being one of them). They're a bunch of snot-nosed, immature rugrats. When they become teenagers, they're just rude, rebellious, horny, and like to go on shooting sprees ON TOP OF (hahahaha ... on top of) being immature, snot-nosed rugrats.

As a conservative, my stand point is to pre-emptive strike them.

Think clearly no good for Bashan. Bashan no good for think clearly. My brain isn't a sponge in chemistry... Maybe in history and english, but not chemistry... Geometry, meh...

You said "gun control" and "kids" in the same paragraph. That's like using the term "smart" while talking about a liberal. There will be no need for religion, gun control with pre-emptive strike. You also won't have all this fuss about abortion and how the industrial slaughter of our nation's youth is somehow the right of femmofacists.

There is only one solution that will satisfy everyone. In these days on increased terror and school shootings, obviously some children will deveop into terrorists. Following the great example Bush has set for us, because we cannot know for certain which child will and which child won't, we must pre-emptive strike all children, everywhere, of every race, creed, religion, and state of development. Whether one day or 17 years and 11 months, get the pitchforks and move them to the slaughter house.

Might as well kill the unborn ones, too. Anyone got a coat hanger?

This will also prevent global starvation. And I don't mean that there will be less mouths to feed

Q: Then who does hard labor?

A: Your mom can go into labor, and I don't mean birthing no babies...

Sorry...

Um... Why do we need hard labor? We just preemptive struck the bleak future and therefore have none to work for. When we get all old and can't pee, our minds would be so utterly destroyed we would be mentally children so that's when we have the second and final pre-emptive strike. Therefore, when we get too old to work (and begin to take on the mental state of children), we are: 1) ground up for food/fertillizer/lawn furniture/shag (wait... we outlawed shagging... or at least we'll pre-emptive strike whatever came from shagging) rugs 2) When everyone is like this, we pre-emptive strike each other and the last one standing gets the "prize"

I really don't see what you are talking about it, My Utopia works, just like soylent green. I mean we grind up our dead and solve world hunger. Like after we kill them, like they really need their body! In no way does the pre-emptive strike demonstrate a hate of children. It is necessary for the survival of the older generation. It's all about practicality.

I don't think children are a necessary burden. I hate children (despite being one of them). They're a bunch of snot-nosed, immature rugrats. When they become teenagers, they're just rude, rebellious, horny, and like to go on shooting sprees ON TOP OF (hahahaha ... on top of) being immature, snot-nosed rugrats.

As a conservative, my stand point is to pre-emptive strike them.

Think clearly no good for Bashan. Bashan no good for think clearly. My brain isn't a sponge in chemistry... Maybe in history and english, but not chemistry... Geometry, meh...

You said "gun control" and "kids" in the same paragraph. That's like using the term "smart" while talking about a liberal. There will be no need for religion, gun control with pre-emptive strike. You also won't have all this fuss about abortion and how the industrial slaughter of our nation's youth is somehow the right of femmofacists.

Yes, good points, good suggestions.

I've always been pro-extinction myself. Adult humans can sometimes be tolerable, but the spawn never can, maybe its best we let other organisms have their chance. Cockroaches, for example. They breed all the time! The cute little munchkins... I can't believe some people dislike larvae, when we're all genetically programmed to reproduce...

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. ... Blah. What do you think about kids?

i quite simply don't "get" kids. i have no idea what to do with these weird, irrational and extraordinarily demanding miniature people. i don't find them "cute" and i resent people suggesting there is something wrong with me for not thinking they are the best thing in the world.

i assume that at some point, something will change in my brain and i'll get whatever endorphin makes breeding seem like a good idea. until then, i make no bones about the fact i simply don't like kids. i don't really hate them, except when they scream and cry in public places.

i think it's crazy that we don't have some kind of training for people who want to have kids. basically it's utterly ridiculous to think that everyone in society is equipped and ready to have kids (instinct will only get you so far, people). many can not afford it, many don't have the skills or support network to cope. some people are just plain and simply unsuitable to have kids in their care...... and yet anyone at all can go out and make a new person. unless they abuse the kids in a massive, measurable way; they won't have the children taken away from them.

many people out there do NOT "have a heard of gold under their tough exterior", they are simply ugly to their very souls. they berate and beat their multiple kids in public, then berate and beat anyone who tries to intervene. the kids turn into horrible, violent brats who end up perpetuating the whole thing (not to mention the crime rate).

these people do not have kids to nurture and love and create the next generation. i have no idea why they DO have kids, because they certainly don't want them once they have them. some openly admit they do it for the dole money (welfare).

so.... i guess i hate people who have kids they don't want. i hate what the unwanted kids turn into.

i don't personally like kids, at this point in my life. i'm open to the concept that my brain's chemical levels may change that point of view one day :) i have enough ego to think i would do a better job of raising a kid than many poeple i've observed, but at the same time i've known of wonderful people who "did everything right" and the kids still went off the rails. it's an uncertain quantity... it's a pretty nasty world.

i don't believe that people with kids are inherently better than anyone else, nor do i think they have any right to claim there is something wrong with me because i'm honest about my views.

finally... i can't abide this stupid "you were a kid once too" crap. so what? does that mean that people in jail should want to become guards after they get out? being a kid and HAVING a kid are two entirely different sides of the equation. it's not the "ace argument" that people think it is - it's a pavlovian response people wheel out without applying any brain time to what they are really saying.

Yes, good points, good suggestions.

I've always been pro-extinction myself. Adult humans can sometimes be tolerable, but the spawn never can, maybe its best we let other organisms have their chance. Cockroaches, for example. They breed all the time! The cute little munchkins... I can't believe some people dislike larvae, when we're all genetically programmed to reproduce...

Scientists say that the octopus (octopi? I don't know the plural) is the most likely candidate to take over as the smart guys when we're gone.

I used to really like kids and even thought that they were cute. But that was before I worked for four years in retail. Four Christmas seasons later...they're not so cute. And why is it that parents don't smack their kids anymore? When I was growing up, I got smacked when I acted up.

By the way, check out www.maddox.xmission.com
Check out his review of "artwork" done by children and his article about how to discipline your children. :)

I'm female and not that fussed on kids either. I copped a lot of crap from family and friends when I was younger for it as they and society expected me to have the maternal instincts to want kids, to go all gooey over babies and praise everything my friends kids did. Thing is I never wanted them, think most babies are ugly (sorry but I just can't see cute) and my friends constant prattle about their kids just bored me silly.

Thing is I can honestly take or leave kids, preferably leave. I don't "hate" them and don't in any way condone abusing or harming children but when it comes to my patience with being around them, I can only take kids in very small doses.

Scientists say that the octopus (octopi? I don't know the plural) is the most likely candidate to take over as the smart guys when we're gone.

You my friend, are brain-washed by the octopi that work in the secret labs in the sea-food restaurants near the Discovery Channel and Animal Planet buildings (couldn't remember which channel that show was on. Some writers sat and shat around BSing it)...

Those really large land octopi things... I hope one of them eats you...

Thing is I can honestly take or leave kids, preferably leave. I don't "hate" them and don't in any way condone abusing or harming children but when it comes to my patience with being around them, I can only take kids in very small doses.

During the pre-emptive strike era... I don't want you to run some child speak-easies. Small Doses... like they really are a drug... if only... Hey... anyone got a bong, I have to smoke a two year old!

I've always been pro-extinction myself. Adult humans can sometimes be tolerable, but the spawn never can, maybe its best we let other organisms have their chance. Cockroaches, for example. They breed all the time! The cute little munchkins... I can't believe some people dislike larvae, when we're all genetically programmed to reproduce...

I know a certain chemistry teacher that can't be killed...

Believe me, I've tried.









Only thing that'll be left after the pre-emptive strike or a Nuclear holocaust (whichever comes first), it will be him and 5 cockroaches... Hey, he needs to procreate somehow... EDIT: :fluffle: (I'm a perfectionist. That's why I also support weeding out the weak [everyone but me] until the pre-emptive stike era.)

Scientists say that the octopus (octopi? I don't know the plural) is the most likely candidate to take over as the smart guys when we're gone.


i thought it was the dolphins

i thought it was the dolphins

No, they left a while ago. Left a note thanking us for the fish though, rather nice of them I think.

Seeing some of the posts on this thread is rather depressing, especially on the first few pages. :( *weeps*

I don't hate kids, but i don't want any either. I'm too impatient to have them, and i doubt he/she would enjoy a childhood where I wasn't involved much as a father and spent too much time on NationStates. :D

EDIT: and those who were considering using them as soylent products, don't. Instate a "Universal Kids Draft" and draft them into the military instead. :D j/k

I think kids should be rigorously tested on their intelligence and physical abilities, and those who don't test in the top 10% should be ground up and used for fertilizer. There's just no quality control anymore.
Although that would mean the death of me, as I'm physicaly weak, that would be a great idea.
I hate most kids. If I were to say all, that would include me, as I'm only 13, and I definitely don't hate myself.
In fact, if I were to somehow be in charge of some nation or country, then anyone that does not pass physical/mental tests will either be killed or sent somewhere else.
Along with many other various tests for various privelidges, such as creating offspring and using computers, but that's getting off-topic.

I dislike most kids, but one's gotta realize that if a child behaves like a little bastard it's often the parents' fault. I agree with the sentiment that one should require a license to raise children.

i bow down to you sire, for now i will worship you also... oh, peanut-of-butter oh, jelly-of-bean oh, eskimo-of-pie....!


now what?
sautee` the little darlings with garlic sauce?

i know!

you get the tar...and....i'll get the feathers

oh! Lucky! Day!

I don't like them. I really fail to see what's so cute and wonderful about them. I have felt this way even since I was one, so I think it's quite unlikely my opinion will ever change, thus it's unlikely I will ever have any.

I can't help but love them. Even my psycho cousins. One day there'll be seven (yes, that's right, SEVEN!) little Refused Party Babies running amok, all up in yo' face.

Communist babies practising anarchy. That's probably your worst nightmare, Santa B? ;)

I just had to quote this. RPP you are a genius!

I like kids who are still kids - they are the only ones I can relate to. The modern "tweenager" (ugh) or even worse, pre-pre-teenager is the vilest little creature I've ever had the misfortune to encounter. Kids were never cute, being possessed of all the unpleasant malignancy of an adult with none of the dissembling, but these new, evolved, despicable little beasts have all the rebellious pretentions of a teenager and only half the life experience.

Mind you, I'm not too enamoured of university students either. And I am one.

I think they should be banned off trains in peak hour -nod-

nuff said.

... or did I?
Our son is almost two and the most wonderful thing in the world. My wife is pregnant with our first daughter who is due in October. I sure hope we´ll have a shipload more by the time we turn forty (not so far away). That probably means not getting a good nights sleep until 2025, but you have to make sacrifices, right?
It´s probably that sth drove me that direction. I loved kids all my life (I was the one non-parent adult, who - during family reunions or other events - spent most of the time down with the lil´uns on his knees or butt, and not like the other adults at the coffee table).
If more of us´d see the world through kids´ eyes, it´d be a much better place

If any at all, we should get rid of the old people, everybody above 75, at least.
To quote Maude: "75 is the right time to go; at 80 you´re just marking time" (Harold & Maude)

Matt

I read the first five pages of this thread, and I really wish I hadn't. I had expected to see a George Carlin-esque ranting about how children are treated like cult objects by those with too much money and like stray dogs by those without enough money. Note Carlin's comic hatred is focused on parents and not the actual children. All he says is that they're not all cute, they're not all special, and that even John Wayne Gacy "loved his children...".

Seems to me that the state only gets involved in making sure a kid has a good home after it's clear that they don't (child protective services, DSHS, what have you). Why not cut this off at the root and license parenting? Everyone who becomes reproductively active gets mandatory reversible sterilization until they can submit psychological credentials and proof of reliable income for the purpose of parenting.

What? Too oppressive? Too 1984, too GATTACA? Maybe. But it beats lunatics like the original thread-poster spewing forth a load of crap about hating children. Seriously, man, the child is a tabula rasa. It's tantrums are no more directed specifically at you than the wind. It isn't the kid that's the problem, it's the moron(s) at the helm of this kid's formative ship at whom you've gotta level your cannons.

And I know this isn't going to be popular, but what about orphanages? I'm not talking about Dickensonian nightmares, but state-run, university-supported orphanages designed to train everyone from teachers and child psychologists to pediatricians and day-care providers. Undergraduate nurses, doctors, teachers, counselors, et al., could learn valuable lessons from a year at a clean, warm and child-centered orphanage

If it takes a village to raise a child, let's build villages for those children without viable parents.

*dons flame-retardant helmet and cup*

you are sick bastardsJust because you like children, and derive pleasure from yours, does not mean that we all have to conform to that. It's your choice. No one is stopping you from liking, and having, children. You are allowed to think as you like, and to express that thinking; please kindly extend that same courtesy to others. There is no need to resort to insults because you disagree with someone else's point of view.

Why not cut this off at the root and license parenting? Well, why not indeed? You need a license to keep a dog - in this country, you need a license for a fucking TV! Children are much more complex and difficult to take care of than those two things.

I hate kids, they send me into murderous rages.
:) With that attitude it would be wise to practise Birth Control, :p No

Kids are great. Adulthood should be banned

Kids are like elephants. Pretty cool, as long as they arent yours and you have to care for them.

The world can fit and feed over 50 billion people.And it's unlikely that we'll ever get that many.

That it can... if you don't want any other life on earth other then humans, their food and their pets.

*snip*
Hehehehee...you sound just like me, pre-becoming a mom. And to be frank, I don't necessarily like OTHER people's kids...just mine.

That it can... if you don't want any other life on earth other then humans, their food and their pets.
No, we'd have to eat the pets. And don't forget that no one will actually have anything, as all material resources would probably have to be used to make food.

I'm okay with kids in small doses as long as they aren't little shits. I do not however want to have my own children ever. I see it as throwing my life away. And who's to say my genes are so awesome they should be passed?

Additionally, I'm all for liscensing people to have kids. If you reproduce then you should prove you're capable of properly raising them. And we need to make sure there's a balance of smart kids to dumb kids so the dumb kids can do the crap jobs in the future.

The local government tells me even if I am fully capable of caring for 7 cats that I am not allowed to. If I go and pop out 7 babies and have to go on welfare though then that's all cool. Makes shitloads of sense right?

im a kid so get lost :sniper: :mad: :headbang: :gundge: :mp5:

nuff said.

... or did I?
Our son is almost two and the most wonderful thing in the world. My wife is pregnant with our first daughter who is due in October. I sure hope we´ll have a shipload more by the time we turn forty (not so far away). That probably means not getting a good nights sleep until 2025, but you have to make sacrifices, right?
It´s probably that sth drove me that direction. I loved kids all my life (I was the one non-parent adult, who - during family reunions or other events - spent most of the time down with the lil´uns on his knees or butt, and not like the other adults at the coffee table).
If more of us´d see the world through kids´ eyes, it´d be a much better place

If any at all, we should get rid of the old people, everybody above 75, at least.
To quote Maude: "75 is the right time to go; at 80 you´re just marking time" (Harold & Maude)

Matt
Sounds like you'll make a really good dad, but that last statement kinda made me go :eek:. According to you, I should have only thirteen years left! :rolleyes:

Kids hate you :p
You must be a maths teacher.

im a kid so get lost :sniper: :mad: :headbang: :gundge: :mp5:
Only if you do :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :etcetera:

I love my children and pretty much most of my time is spent caring for them and providing for them now and in the future. Nurturing, teaching them life's lessons by example. My kids are all healthy, mostly happy and so far, very well adjusted-thank God.
I cant stand other people's kids. Cant stand little spoiled molly-coddled pricks, throwing tantrums over virtually nothing while mommy offers them everything under the sun to calm them.

i quite simply don't "get" kids. i have no idea what to do with these weird, irrational and extraordinarily demanding miniature people. i don't find them "cute" and i resent people suggesting there is something wrong with me for not thinking they are the best thing in the world.

That's EXACTLY it: the idea that you are wrong if you don't love kids. Personally I don't particularly like other people's; they are fine as a concept but I'd prefer it if they weren't near me. Some of my mates have kids and I will happily send them presents and look at the odd photo, but if I so much as have to share a changing room at the gym with a kid I end up wanting to eat my own hair. (When I was a kid, it really wasn't that hard to be quiet and not get in everyone's way. I know that there are some great kids out there, but unfortunately I guess I only notice the noisy, irritating ones.)

So if you like kids, have them. But please learn to control them in public, eh? And stop thinking I'm some kind of psycho for not wanting any. It's none of your business.

The day I realised that I didn't want kids and that I was happy with that was the biggest relief ever. Turns out all the worrying I'd been doing about saving money and not being able to do anything fun after the age of 30 were because I'd fallen into the old trap of assuming I wanted children, when it turns out I only thought I did because everyone else expected me to. Well, tough. Ain't gonna happen!

Children are dangerous. I won't say pre-emptive strike again becaue I've already made my point several times. It's what Bush wants to do. We may have to make sacrifices to promote our "culture of life".

I don't like kids thanks to 11 kids that I was fooled to watch for 6 weeks. Of course my own then it would be a king or queen of my world and so pretty and handsome and I would be playing Bob Marley to him 24/7 even before birth.

Kids are great. Adulthood should be banned
lol sounds like something Michael Jackson would say.

Accusing Santa Barbara of being a famous serial killer and pedophile was probably not the best of ideas, as insulting others is against the rules here.

OK, I agree it was somewhat off limits, esp. if you (and maybe others too) actually understood it that way.

I tried not to accuse him / her (or actually, anyone on the thread who happily agreed in their child-hate) but to compare them - obviously they (and the rest) are NOT someone locked in a max-sec prison...

Now, I compare him / her AND the others who have applauded that position to Dutroux, because basically they preach what Dutroux already did: torture (by rape, kidnapping and otherwise) and kill children just for being children. I agree there is a difference between thought and act, but it is really unsettling to see so many converging thoughts in an age where "we should know better". What if anyone with similar ideas reads this thread (as it is a public forum) and finds these words encouraging and acts on, feeling that there are many out there who hate children and will approve to kidnapping, raping and murdering them... I personally find it scary... Now if you hate kids so much to want them dead (as many here have actually said), you maybe find this very appealing - but I'm on a very different wave here.

I like kids... but I am biased, as technically, I am one.

So am I! Oh, high five. Actually, I suppose I'm considered a teenager. But back to the point at hand. Kids are all right if they are well behaved- once they're born, I certainly don't support killing them off. But spoiled brats *coughmycousinscough* and cocky toddlers and whatnot just get on my nerves, that I will hand you. Kids should be brought up well. Even stupid kids are all right if they're well behaved.

And my closing statement:
Given the choice, I much prefer cats O.o

Its depending how you see it... Kids are preety much like little toys that Adults get to play around with. You can eather care for a kid, or completly screw him over. I mean come on, real life dolls. It plays baseball, goes to school, does potty... And you get to raise us!!!

Oh and by the way im 16 :)

Its depending how you see it... Kids are preety much like little toys that Adults get to play around with. You can eather care for a kid, or completly screw him over. I mean come on, real life dolls. It plays baseball, goes to school, does potty... And you get to raise us!!!

It's not normal for Adults to watch you "do potty" unless it is like your first time... and at 16... unless if you've just learned but either way... ::shivers::

::watches Rakenshi "do potty":: I think you're doing it wrong... :eek:

Blah. What do you think about kids?

I imagine there is (usually) a certain emotional bond between a parent and child, which causes the parent to believe the child is a dear little angel, even when the child is actually an obnoxious little shit.

So my opinion is, it's not too bad to have your own kids, but I pity the foo who has to look after anyone else's.

I pity the foo who has to watch Rakenshi do potty :eek:

I pity the foo who has to watch Rakenshi do potty :eek:

That too.

Do I hate kids in general? Not really. But I do hate kids raised by lousy parents. I'm Inclined to think it might be a good idea to make procreation a privledge to be earned and not simply a right/bilogical-function.
Yes, I'm going to have kids one day because I do want to spread my genes. It's an in-born almost subconscious drive most people have. It's a kind of immortality. 50% of my genes will still be here long after I'm dead and that's kind of cool. Also, the things I teach my kids will outlive me as well. Further incentive to teach ones children to live well, to be kind and live productive lives. Are my genes so special? No. But neither are yours. None of our genes are all that special in the big scheme of it. We're just mamals (though unusually intelligent) doing what we mamals do.
In short, my kids are awesome. It's your kids I hate! :D

"Isn't he cute?
No, he ain't
just another burden
on the welfare state"

enough said.

We're just mamals (though unusually intelligent) doing what we mamals do.

"You and me baby, ain't nothing but mammals,
so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.
You and me baby, ain't nothing but mammals,
so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel."
~ "Bad Touch" the Bloodhound Gang

"You and me baby, ain't nothing but mammals,
so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel.
You and me baby, ain't nothing but mammals,
so let's do it like they do on the Discovery Channel."
~ "Bad Touch" the Bloodhound Gang


God, I hate that song.

This is why we're pre-emptive striking you and the rest of the kids.

I love that song... somehow I find it... arousing... :fluffle:

This is why we're pre-emptive striking you and the rest of the kids.

I love that song... somehow I find it... arousing... :fluffle:


But it's unbearably lame. It's even worse than Green Day.

I hate "Green Day" because, as a conservative:

"I always voted on my party's call
And I never thought a thinking for myself at all"

I blindly support Bush and therefore am a strong advocate in pre-emptive strikes (I'm a broken, right-wing, neo-con record).

Also I didn't think "American Idiot" had that good of a rythm. Some of their songs are okay. I'll stick to liking the "Bad Touch" though... it arouses me, I'm sorry.

Oh, and whoever names the song I quoted while explaining my conservative views gets an e-cookie. Also name the writer(s) (not necessarily the singer/artist)...

It's a bit of an old song, so I bet you'll all lose. G00gling is cheating. :fluffle:

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

You people seem to be forgetting the whole continuation of the human race thing. That might possibly be an issue.
And anyway, who cares what u think SB, if you don't like kids, don't have them, simple as that.

I love kids, and I intend to have them. I do NOT, on the other hand, intend to have more than two, for exactly that reason. If everyone would just limit themselves to two kids, the world would stabilize more. Because, some people won't want kids or will prefer an only child, and although sad, it's inevitable that some people do not live long enough to reproduce.

On a side note, what do you think of only children in terms of parenting philosophy? I think that too many kids don't get enough attention and that two-years-apart kids tend to have problems with each other. I think, however, that only children end up kind of spoiled, honestly. I think kids with wide age gaps are a good idea.

You people seem to be forgetting the whole continuation of the human race thing. That might possibly be an issue.
And anyway, who cares what u think SB, if you don't like kids, don't have them, simple as that.

You seem to be forgetting all the "extinction of the human race posts", many of which are mine and Santa Barbara's. There are many others. We chose not to continue the human race, because we are a blight upon this planet. Why continue something producing demon spawn? So we can kill eveything exhausting the planet's resoureces, killing every other living thing on the planet?

And anyway, who cares what you think CiY, if you don't like the posts here, though only read the first two, and just want to try to portray yourself as a voice of reason when you really aren't, don't comment, simple as that.



Extension: You obviously care what Santa Barabara thinks or you wouldn't have posted. And out of common courtesy, please do not tell anyone that their opinion doesn't matter, especially if they created the thread. Also, before you say something stupid, please read past the second post or somehow acknowledge that you didn't. Many of us did comment on the extinction of the human race. Also, you missed the point when you said "if you do not like kids, then don't have them". We are complaining about all kids in general, all those snot-nosed, whiney brats between the ages of 1 second and 18 years. As a 17 year old, I can honestly say kids are snot-nosed, whiney brats, with teenagers being also rude, horny, and hormonal (myself included). Please think, that is, if you are capable of it. Thank you. Have a nice day!

Now, I compare him / her AND the others who have applauded that position to Dutroux, because basically they preach what Dutroux already did: torture (by rape, kidnapping and otherwise) and kill children just for being children.


Err, I didn't preach torture, rape or kidnap of children. I know you're feeling so self-righteous you're about to leave a stain on your chair, but please do not throw things like that around.

Sheesh.


What if anyone with similar ideas reads this thread (as it is a public forum) and finds these words encouraging and acts on, feeling that there are many out there who hate children and will approve to kidnapping, raping and murdering them...

What if anyone with similar ideas reads Mein Kampf (found in public libraries) and finds those words incouraging and acts on?

Freedom of speech means you don't try to stop speech you dislike, you merely try to get people to take self responsibility. You know it wouldnt surprise me in this age if someone DID read this thread, and murdered some kid, and then sued ME for damages to that poor victimized murderer. Because no one takes responsibility for themselves or actions, they're quick to blame others. Ugh.


I personally find it scary... Now if you hate kids so much to want them dead (as many here have actually said), you maybe find this very appealing - but I'm on a very different wave here.

Yeah, well, free speech and all that. Even on this admittedly not public forum! (You have to register and it's controlled and it's not protected under freedom of speech.)

Personally I don't appreciate humanity, and I simply extend that dislike to children, instead of treating them like non-people who are all "innocent" or all "this" or "that." Kids are people too, and just like people, they suck.

You all are getting so pissy... me included. Kids... how can anyone stand the losuy whippersnappers who will eventually grow up to be terrorists, paedophiles, rapists, muderers, theives, lechers, talk show hosts, criminals, businessmen, salesmen, propagandists, politicians, lawyers, dentists, whiners, nationstates players, nerds, waiters, rich people, poor people etc.

Hey, whats wrong with nerds? ;)

You all are getting so pissy... me included. Kids... how can anyone stand the losuy whippersnappers who will eventually grow up to be terrorists, paedophiles, rapists, muderers, theives, lechers, talk show hosts, criminals, businessmen, salesmen, propagandists, politicians, lawyers, dentists, whiners, nationstates players, nerds, waiters, rich people, poor people etc.

why do we hate dentists? nationstates players I understand.

On a side note, what do you think of only children in terms of parenting philosophy? I think that too many kids don't get enough attention and that two-years-apart kids tend to have problems with each other. I think, however, that only children end up kind of spoiled, honestly. I think kids with wide age gaps are a good idea.I'm an only child. I am extremely glad of this fact, because I'm quite sure I would have been driven insane by other children around me all the time (even as a child, I disliked the behaviour of most other children).

My parents divorced when I was three, and I haven't seen my father since (I am glad of this also - he was not a nice person). I suppose I was moderately spoiled by my mother, but no more so than most children I knew (and a lot less than many I've met since). Most of the only children I knew/know were not overly spoiled. They seemed to be the rare type of kid that is polite and well behaved, and despite my mother spoiling me somewhat, I know I was. It wasn't that difficult.

I do see your point, however. I know my experience is inevitably going to be limited, but that's what it's shown me to date anyway.

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!
Blah. What do you think about kids?

Now if only your parents had felt the same way you do. :rolleyes:

Now if only your parents had felt the same way you do. :rolleyes:That argument has been made several times by other people - reading the whole thread, or at least acknowledging that you have not done so, is usually quite useful. But I'll say it anyway. If his/her parents had thought that way, they wouldn't have had him/her. (S)He therefore would not be around to care one way or the other, would (s)he? So what would it matter? :confused:

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

I can understand what you're saying, and even sympathize to some extent. Kids these days can be horrifying little jackasses, and the parents' hands are tied by all the stupid rules that prevent them from administering some much needed discipline. I'm not advocating child abuse here - just a good, old-fashioned spanking when it's called for.

And then there's those nightmarish teenage years, when it's tempting to ship them off to some kind of boot camp in a remote Alaskan Wilderness somewhere. Even the best of them can mutate into something straight out of a horror flick during those years. Anyone who has managed to raise a kid to adulthood has already experienced hell on earth, and therefore should be forever exempt from it in the afterlife.

Parenthood certainly isn't for everyone, and we'd all be much better off if we could just accept this fact and not push it on everyone as if it were the greatest experience on earth. Oh sure - it has the potential for being just that, and, of course, everyone is certain they will be the best parents in the history of mankind, and theirs will be the best, most perfect children anyone ever had the privilege of raising. But when it comes down to it, that's just not very realistic, is it?

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?



.....dude..same thoughts as me. People get all pissed off, when I say I hate kids, don't want to deal with them, don't think they're cute/great. They don't like the fact that I say the last thing we need is more people, who'll cause more problems.

This thread must be the new equivelent of Old people sitting around complaining about "kids these days" Its very amusing :D

I don't hate kids, but I don't want any for myself. We have this implied shared responsibility thang for everyone's kids, and I completely agree that the pressure to 'like' kids just because they are kids is irrational. If you have a kid, that's your choice. If you take said kid to a party and the kid sh*ts on the carpet, how is that different to taking a dog to the party and failing to adequately control it?

Of course there are people who will argue that humans are above other animals, and will criticise my dog-anaolgy. My point is that in modern western society there is no extended-family environment in which to raise kids, and yet we carry this hangover that everyone we meet will feel obligated to like our kid. We have fallen so hard for this belief that it seems incomprehensible to suggest otherwise.

It's not wrong or cruel to not like kids. It's not unnatural or selfish. Many people make contributions to the world without ever having kids. I think I might have a hysterectomy.

I suppose at 15 you could still kind of call me a kid. I'm sure you wouldn't hate me, but I can see why you'd hate toddlers and everything.

U r mostly a group of freaking bitter old whingers. Whos that damn lame enough to start a public forum on the internet to start dissing kids? a depressed old man

U r mostly a group of freaking bitter old whingers. Whos that damn lame enough to start a public forum on the internet to start dissing kids? a depressed old man

I kind of agree with you...
But there's no need to be like that, you could actually insult someone.

true bestiville, just gets on my nerves

That argument has been made several times by other people - reading the whole thread, or at least acknowledging that you have not done so, is usually quite useful. But I'll say it anyway. If his/her parents had thought that way, they wouldn't have had him/her. (S)He therefore would not be around to care one way or the other, would (s)he? So what would it matter? :confused:

Yeah I know its an old chestnut, and what would it matter, well it would be one less bitter and narrow minded person around I guess.

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?

i get were ure coming frm but cmon, to a statement like that i hav 2 say F**K U
and by the way define "kid" :mad: :sniper:

U r mostly a group of freaking bitter old whingers. Whos that damn lame enough to start a public forum on the internet to start dissing kids? a depressed old manHmm. I'm a 21 year old, happy woman and I agreed with it.

what would it matter, well it would be one less bitter and narrow minded person around I guess.See the way it strikes me is that Santa Barbara is not the narrow-minded person around here (or if (s)he is, (s)he's certainly not the only one). (S)He put forward a point of view, that despite your opinion, is not non-existent. Yet you had to resort to insults because you don't agree with what (s)he said. No offence, but that doesn't strike me as very broad-minded.

U r mostly a group of freaking bitter old whingers. Whos that damn lame enough to start a public forum on the internet to start dissing kids? a depressed old man

To begin with, I'm not a man at all. I'm also not bitter, and don't really consider myself old - just middle-aged. Some of us here, including myself, are simply speaking from experience - we've raised kids and aren't too sure we'd choose to do it all over again if we suddenly and inexplicably found ourselves back in time at that decision-point. Now don't get me wrong - I love my children and grandchildren. I'd lay down my life for them if it ever came to that. And of course, they are absolutely wonderful compared to other peoples' kids. But looking back, raising them was most certainly the toughest thing I've ever done, and even though they're grown with families of their own, I still feel like the job isn't over with yet. If I was suddenly young again, and was able to retain the "memories" of what I was yet to go through if I chose to do so - I'm not so sure I would take the same path. The same goes for marriage (and yes, I do love my husband - but man - has it ever been a rough ride to get to this point!). No, if I had it to do over again, I would probably stay single and never have any children.

Actually, it's just rather amusing that my post about obnoxious children earns the attention of obnoxious children! That's so ironic it's starting to RUST.

Also I find it interesting that the opposite stance seems to always need to be taken in any kind of argument where people vehemently disagree. E.g, I must be particularly old or depressed or bitter. If this post had been about how I hate OLD PEOPLE, (which I do of course, being misanthropic), my detractors would call me really young and immature, etc. If I criticize the Republican Party, people assume I must be "liberal" or at least, a Democrat. And vice versa. If you criticize Israel you're anti-semitic, if you're anti-semitic you're a nazi, if you're a nazi you must love Hitler, therefore the counter to criticism of Israel is.... insulting Hitler!

And that's pretty much how it seems to play out on the board.

Also I find it interesting that the opposite stance seems to always need to be taken in any kind of argument where people vehemently disagree. E.g, I must be particularly old or depressed or bitter. If this post had been about how I hate OLD PEOPLE, (which I do of course, being misanthropic), my detractors would call me really young and immature, etc. If I criticize the Republican Party, people assume I must be "liberal" or at least, a Democrat. And vice versa. If you criticize Israel you're anti-semitic, if you're anti-semitic you're a nazi, if you're a nazi you must love Hitler, therefore the counter to criticism of Israel is.... insulting Hitler!

And that's pretty much how it seems to play out on the board.Have to agree. Again :)

I'm not too crazy about kids either......but I think it's PARENTS I can't stand !!!

It's funny how 100% of parents will tell you that their baby is so intelligent, so unique and so special......

Hmmm, that's strange, because 90% of adults I know are complete assholes...

Does that mean parents are just liars, or that there's a problem with the little brats growing up ??

:headbang: I can't believe this thread is still alive, and so popular! Is it because kids are the one group that don't get to stand up for themselves, or have a voice, or cry discrimination that we feel free to lash out at them? We can't pick on people because of the colour of their skin, we can't pick on people because of their religion, or their gender, or their sexuality, but WAIT!!!! Kids are fair game! Kids can't sue, and probably won't go to a human rights tribunal, so let's call them all the horrible names we can think of just to get our own self-hatred off our chests! :rolleyes:

:headbang: I can't believe this thread is still alive, and so popular! Is it because kids are the one group that don't get to stand up for themselves, or have a voice, or cry discrimination that we feel free to lash out at them? We can't pick on people because of the colour of their skin, we can't pick on people because of their religion, or their gender, or their sexuality, but WAIT!!!! Kids are fair game! Kids can't sue, and probably won't go to a human rights tribunal, so let's call them all the horrible names we can think of just to get our own self-hatred off our chests! :rolleyes:While I take your point, (for once!) I actually disagree. My dislike of children largely stems from the inability of most of them to speak clearly rather than shout or scream, their frequent misbehaviour despite being told otherwise and the fact that many I have met have a complete lack of respect for anyone. I accept that this does not apply to all, but I seem to have been unlucky with my dealings with them. I also accept that parents are often at fault as well, but the problems are manifested in the children themselves. (Most) adults, regardless of sex, sexual orientation, religion, race etc do not behave in the (in my opinion, annoying) manner that children do.

I don't begrudge other people having or liking children at all. I'd just rather not have any of my own.

:eek:

*Enters "Wussy Girly-Man mode"*

all you children haters are so mean! :(

*weeps*

While I take your point, (for once!) I actually disagree. My dislike of children largely stems from the inability of most of them to speak clearly rather than shout or scream, their frequent misbehaviour despite being told otherwise and the fact that many I have met have a complete lack of respect for anyone. I accept that this does not apply to all, but I seem to have been unlucky with my dealings with them. I also accept that parents are often at fault as well, but the problems are manifested in the children themselves. (Most) adults, regardless of sex, sexual orientation, religion, race etc do not behave in the (in my opinion, annoying) manner that children do.

I don't begrudge other people having or liking children at all. I'd just rather not have any of my own.
One of the thing that bothers me the most about people who are anti-children, and about many parents themselves is the general lack of understanding of developmental stages. At different ages, children are capable of different things, and you can't rush that. You can't expect a baby to be able to control its nervous system and stop itself from crying. You can't expect a two year old to have a good understanding of other people's feelings. We don't want our kids to be little adults (so we say), but we then freak out when a child can't understand the "need" to tidy his or her room.

OF COURSE children don't behave like adults. They AREN'T adults. They don't have the same priorities as us (not to say our priorities are particularly superior, or even desireable).

A kid is screaming in a supermarket. Why is that? Are her parents lazy idiots who didn't teach her to be quiet? Or is this child simply sick of being dragged around, not being allowed to stop and explore anything that catches her interest, being completely ignored while mommy and daddy chat about what to have for dinner, and losing all feeling in her arms while she holds hands with her parents so she doesn't get lost? We don't treat children like adults, but we want them to be like us? We don't pay attention to their needs....we try to mould them to OUR needs. Would you stop in a mall and scold your husband for trying to go into a store that caught his eye? Would you tell your mother to go clean her room or there'd be no desert? Would you tell your boss to stop yelling or he'd be getting a time out?

Half the time, adults aren't clear or consistant in their expectations of children's behaviour. Christ, we can't even understand each other half the time...how is a child with little experience in reading body language and so on going to do that? Grow up, don't grow up, sleep, get up, eat this, don't eat that, be quiet, speak up, look at me, don't look at me like that, hurry up, slow down, do this, don't do that...it's a wonder they don't all grow up to be psychopaths!

Have a little sympathy folks. Kids adapt to incredibly stressful situations often better than adults are able to. Give them some credit...they are trying as hard as their developmental levels allow them too. They aren't little adults who are misbehaving. They are not hard wired the same as us...those connections are still being made in their brains and nervous systems. Understand that, and understand that your expectations for them need to match what they can actually do, and you save yourself AND THEM a lot of stress.

Come on Kaz...I just threw down the gauntlet! I DEMAND SATISFACTION!

Awww...it's no fun when no one bothers to disagree with me...*shuffles off to eat worms in the garden*

So you're a mistake? Hmm.
Not a mistake...an 'oops':)

Sorry not to give you someone to argue with. :D
I completely agree with everything you said, Sinuhue. :)

I am a mom of two... I love my kids.
There are times when they do things that make me unhappy.
But, love them the same I do.
There are also times when I dislike other children.
But, hate them I do not.

I was mercilessly picked on as a child.
So, I know how it feels. Children can be cruel. I totally dislike cruel children.
But, it has made me a better person, because I know how to treat others. :)

There are either some really funny or disturbed people on this site. I think it may be a mix of both. Kids, we've all been there. If you hate kids then you hate people, because people start out as kids. Kids are the best thing everah!

I don't hate kids. They can be quite a lot of fun to be around. What I dislike is people who have kids and don't know how or choose not to be a good parent. Good parents should teach their kids to respect other people, to behave according to where they are and who they are around and to control themself. They should teach their kids that life is not always fair and that when you misbehave there are circumstances that you have to deal with. The main job of a parent is to prepare kids for adulthood.

On that note I see kids out in public screaming and hollering and making a nuisance out of themself and the parent just makes it worse by hollering and them, threatening them and yet they don't ever actually do anything about the child's misbehavior. In restarants a child in a booth back to back to another booth, standing in the seat facing backwards over the back of the booth and annoying the people in another booth who are trying to have some semblance of a conversation while the child knaws on soggy french fries and drops them into the seat. In the first place why is the parent letting the child stand where other people have to sit down later? Can you imagine if an adult did this? It's not proper behavior for child or adult. Not to mention that half the time when this happens the child has snot running out of their nose because the parent refuses to clean the child's nose and thereby neglects the lesson that people shouldn't just go around with snot running down thier face.

I could go on and on about it but it's not the kids. Most of them don't know any better because they haven't been taught better.

Every now and then you see a child out that has been taught good manners and how to behave. They know to say please and thank you. They know that seats are for sitting in and that there are proper places to run and scream and holler and that there are places where you shouldn't do that. I do usually try to make a comment to the child's parent about how good they are and I try to make sure that the child hears me.

One of the thing that bothers me the most about people who are anti-children, and about many parents themselves is the general lack of understanding of developmental stages.

No, being anti-children does not make me ignorant about developmental stages.


A kid is screaming in a supermarket. Why is that? Are her parents lazy idiots who didn't teach her to be quiet?

Probably

Or is this child simply sick of being dragged around, not being allowed to stop and explore anything that catches her interest, being completely ignored while mommy and daddy chat about what to have for dinner, and losing all feeling in her arms while she holds hands with her parents so she doesn't get lost?

Equally probable

Would you stop in a mall and scold your husband for trying to go into a store that caught his eye?

Well, I'm a man, but this situation happens plenty of times.

Would you tell your mother to go clean her room or there'd be no desert?

No, because reward/punishment is not generally used except when trying to influence behavior, and when in a position of relative power and authority.

Would you tell your boss to stop yelling or he'd be getting a time out?

Again no, for the same reason.

Grow up, don't grow up, sleep, get up, eat this, don't eat that, be quiet, speak up, look at me, don't look at me like that, hurry up, slow down, do this, don't do that...it's a wonder they don't all grow up to be psychopaths!

They DO. And it's not because they get told what to do. It's because people DON'T. They aren't consistent, like you said. Parents are ineffectual, and getting more so with the incouragement of earlier and earlier adulthood, the breakdown of marriage roles, and liberalism taken too far.

Have a little sympathy folks. Kids adapt to incredibly stressful situations often better than adults are able to.

Wait... kids can adapt better, but *I* am supposed to have sympathy for *them?* That doesn't make sense at all. It should be the OPPPOSITE.

Give them some credit...they are trying as hard as their developmental levels allow them too.

You sure about that? Kids are trying hard NOT to do what is asked of them, to learn what they're supposed to. That's how it works, they resist and try to do whatever comes to them, and authority must intervene for their own good, because if we all did what we felt like doing no one would have learned how to poop in the toilet.

They aren't little adults who are misbehaving.

Why not? Aren't adults just big kids who are behaving?

No, being anti-children does not make me ignorant about developmental stages.
I said most, when I should have said, some, but I also included parents in this equation. Parents need to know what their kids are capable of at what stages, and work with that. They also need to know what boundaries are going to be pushed, and how to deal with that.


No, because reward/punishment is not generally used except when trying to influence behavior, and when in a position of relative power and authority.
Well if your mother is elderly, living with you, and pretty much at your mercy financially, I guess being sent to her room with no dinner is an option then:).


They DO. And it's not because they get told what to do. It's because people DON'T. They aren't consistent, like you said. Parents are ineffectual, and getting more so with the incouragement of earlier and earlier adulthood, the breakdown of marriage roles, and liberalism taken too far.
Hmmmmm....I agree that good parenting skills are not being passed on well enough, but I won't blame liberalism alone for that. I think conservative methods of parenting don't necessarily take into account the changing realities of today either. In any case, point is, parents are not created, they must LEARN to be parents. If they didn't have good role models themselves, there is certainly more of a learning curve.

Wait... kids can adapt better, but *I* am supposed to have sympathy for *them?* That doesn't make sense at all. It should be the OPPPOSITE.
Not really. When I mean adapt, I mean become accustomed to. It doesn't mean they do so with no stress, they just don't know any different. So divorces affect them differently, abuse affects them differently, moving around twenty million times during their childhood affects them differently than it does adults. They can handle a lot of change as long as there are SOME constants in their lives (parents).



You sure about that? Kids are trying hard NOT to do what is asked of them, to learn what they're supposed to. That's how it works, they resist and try to do whatever comes to them, and authority must intervene for their own good, because if we all did what we felt like doing no one would have learned how to poop in the toilet.
But you wouldn't try to toilet train a kid at two months...not if you really wanted success. Nor would you expect a six month old to understand the concept of 'other people's feelings' and then get mad when they didn't understand the need to share. Kids rebel yes, but that is ALSO part of development. You can't rush things. Children start off very egocentric out of biological necessity. Social skills can only be learned according to their various levels of understanding. Babies, children, don't have the physical connections in their brain and nervous systems that we do. They don't have our kind of physical control yet, nor do they have the same sort of emotional control. If you understand that, you will perhaps have a bit more sympathy for a small child who is having a tantrum, and less so for an older child who should probably be capable of better behaviour.



Why not? Aren't adults just big kids who are behaving?

No. They aren't. The physical connections have likely been made, and the socialisation is pretty much as good as it's going to get. Years of experience and physical capability versus the absence of such.

I don't think you hate kids per se...but rather the issues that surround them, and the various 'bad' behaviours you have mentioned.

I'm not really a kid person myself. Though I make exceptions for certain kids, I'd rather avoid them on the whole.
A lot of people are quite fond of them. I don't mind. But sometimes people act as though I'm evil or unfeminine (alright, I am) because of this. It's just a particuliar quirk of mine. Maybe it's not the most healthy one, but unless you're looking at me as a prospective mate or baby-sitter, why should it matter?

I'm not really a kid person myself. Though I make exceptions for certain kids, I'd rather avoid them on the whole.
A lot of people are quite fond of them. I don't mind. But sometimes people act as though I'm evil or unfeminine (alright, I am) because of this. It's just a particuliar quirk of mine. Maybe it's not the most healthy one, but unless you're looking at me as a prospective mate or baby-sitter, why should it matter?
Na...plenty of people are like that. I was too until I had kids. I still don't particularly like other people's kids...but I have a lot more patience for them because I know how kids can get. What drives me nuts is people who seem to have it in for parents as a whole...like parents have kids to get some sort of benefits (like what, I wonder?), like they are so horrible and selfish and get all these days off that childless people do (we get the same number of sick days, by the way, not more), and that if they talk about their children they are showing a horrible bias, or are annoying. Well you know what...people with kids don't tend to stay hanging out with childless people for very long because frankly, OUR KIDS BECOME OUR LIVES. As long as you understand that, things are fine. If we can't come to your wedding because our child is in the hospital, that isn't selfishness, that's priorities.

Sorry...don't mean to rant at you at all Bitchkitten...I just got irked in the anti-anti-kid thread and brought it over here:).

Na...plenty of people are like that. I was too until I had kids. I still don't particularly like other people's kids...but I have a lot more patience for them because I know how kids can get. What drives me nuts is people who seem to have it in for parents as a whole...like parents have kids to get some sort of benefits (like what, I wonder?), like they are so horrible and selfish and get all these days off that childless people do (we get the same number of sick days, by the way, not more), and that if they talk about their children they are showing a horrible bias, or are annoying. Well you know what...people with kids don't tend to stay hanging out with childless people for very long because frankly, OUR KIDS BECOME OUR LIVES. As long as you understand that, things are fine. If we can't come to your wedding because our child is in the hospital, that isn't selfishness, that's priorities.

Sorry...don't mean to rant at you at all Bitchkitten...I just got irked in the anti-anti-kid thread and brought it over here:).
No prob.
I don't understand people who aren't crazy about cats. :D

No prob.
I don't understand people who aren't crazy about cats. :D
I don't like any indoor animals:(

Or animals you can't eat:)

You know considering, you were once a kid, you sound pretty stupid saying that you hate kids. And you forget if there wwere no kids, humans would die out. Fine if you are going to do a poll on this, then how many people hate adults trying to tell kids what to do, and how to do it? what is suitable for us and what is not?

You know considering, you were once a kid, you sound pretty stupid saying that you hate kids. And you forget if there wwere no kids, humans would die out. Fine if you are going to do a poll on this, then how many people hate adults trying to tell kids what to do, and how to do it? what is suitable for us and what is not?

You know, considering you didn't read all the posts, you sound pretty stupid saying the things you just did. We didn't forget that if we didn't have any kids that there wouldn't be any humans, that sometimes was a point made. We are a blight on the planet, I don't see how the survival of our race will in anyway benefit the planet. We destroy ourselves, each other, the environment, and every living thing, like a dark, all-consuming shadow. Removal of the human race is vital to our planet's survival. Now, I bet at least one of you will be saying, "What is the point of the planet if there are no people?" Looking beyond your self-interest. What is the point of people if they destroy the planet? We will enable the survival of thousands of other kinds of organisms! Second of all, this thread is not a poll currently, and probably if it were they would be varying degrees of child hatred, not the "oppression" of children. Also, many of us began our hatred of children, particularly younger ones, when we were children. I myself am a child and I dislike all those younger than me, many older than me, and a lot who are the same age.

I find it funny, that the least civil here are those who allegedly like children. I personally think they need to grow up. The thread's focus is the hatred of children, not the scolding of those who happen to dislike children. "Shame on you! How dare you not love my snivelling, snot-nosed brat!"

The reason the thread is so popular is because all of you who say "It isn't the child's fault he's an egotistical, arrogant, rebellious asshole, it's you mean child haters that make them sad!"

i shall go elsewhere, just wanted to say what i wanted to say. And its kinda hard and boring to read the ohh 200 posts or so.

Wow you are quite cynical and i agree that we humans are horrible organisms
we kill and destroy without any care thinking that we are the dominat species and that that gives us the right to gratuitously destroy the earth.

im sorry for entering this, i just felt that i needed to say something

Tough Cookies, eh?

Yeah... I am kinda cynical. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, though...

I actually do believe in the survival of the human race. Most of what I post is satire. I actually like kids, they annoy me sometimes, but I like to develop the image of being an extremist, despite being actually a left-leaning moderate. The pre-emptive strike thing is a joke about the hypocrisy of neo-conservitism.

Don't worry about it, I actually make posts that bring up points already said or were disproved a few pages before. Really, you shouldn't take me so seriously. :fluffle:

Dont worry about hurting my feelings. im 15, i guess you could still call me a kid, im short enought to pass for one. And i shall try to read pretty new but previous posts in the future.

See the way it strikes me is that Santa Barbara is not the narrow-minded person around here (or if (s)he is, (s)he's certainly not the only one). (S)He put forward a point of view, that despite your opinion, is not non-existent. Yet you had to resort to insults because you don't agree with what (s)he said. No offence, but that doesn't strike me as very broad-minded.

Dont single me out, I wasnt the only one who said it, nice to see you sticking up for someone who hates kids, keep up the great work.

Dont single me out, I wasnt the only one who said it, nice to see you sticking up for someone who hates kids, keep up the great work.IF someone else made the comment about him/her being small-minded (I can't see it looking through the thread, but admittedly I am only skimming), then I apologise for singling you out. As for standing up for someone who hates kids, don't worry, I will be keeping it up. I am fully in favour of people's rights to express their opinions without having to be insulted for it. That does not mean not arguing against the point made - indeed, it would be very dull were that not the case - but rational, level-headed arguments really make your case much stronger. They would be welcomed, not criticised.

<snip>Sorry Sinuhue, I went offline shortly after my last post. I'm sorry you had to wait :)

It's actually precisely for the reasons you outlined that I don't like children. I understand their developmental needs, and I understand they are not adults - they can't help that, no, but I fail to see why parents seemingly always have to impose them on the rest of us. The kid, as you say, may well be bored and fed up with a trip around a supermarket. Indeed, that's not his/her fault - but neither is it mine. I find that kind of trip stressful enough as it is without having to listen to the kid's screaming and crying.

Also, you state that they do their best to adapt to stressful situations. Maybe, but why do some of them consistently disobey their parents? I am happy to accept this will happen from time to time - they're exploriong boundaries - but a lot of children I've met do it on a majority of occasions. They need to be told what's right and wrong, unlike one's adult peers, otherwise they won't be properly socialised and capable of functioning well in society. Granted, it must be confusing for them on occasion for the reasons you cite, but let us not pretend that sometimes they are unaware of the damaging effects of their behaviour.

OUR KIDS BECOME OUR LIVESI know that, and I certainly don't resent any parent for their children being their priorities. That's the way it should be once you have a kid. But it's yet another reason why I don't wish to have any children. I want my life to be about me - about the identity I myself have developed, about things I want to do and things I like to do, without having to worry about someone being completely dependant on me. It may be a selfish point of view, but that's how it is for me. And I certainly don't want to end up resenting a child because it prevented me from doing all I want to do. (NB - not saying that always applies, but I'd say that, for the most part, it certainly delays it/makes it more difficult).

Ugh. Kids. I hate them, and I hate the social expectations of going gaga over kids. Like someone's cranking out another one, and I'm supposed to say "congratulations" at the news. Or everyone is on about how "cute" they are, how "special" and "unique" and "precious." Well, I don't buy it. I hate kids. Don't we have enough kids? I mean GREAT, just what the world needs: more people. We only have 6 billion as it is - crank the kids out, there aren't enough humans on the planet! And then some people have multiples, because their genes are just so fucking special that we need to have a larger percentage of them in the 'pool. And it's all politically correct for males to want kids so they can show off their metrosexual new age fathering instinct. And it's all politically correct for women not to want them, or to work full time and let someone else raise their damn rugrats. There aren't any family values nowadays, just politically correct 'statements.' It's not a kid, it's a "statement" of how liberated you are since you can manage to work a job while neglecting a child. Yeah, way to go. Meanwhile people blame everything BUT this. Ohhhh the problem must only be them ILLEGALS. Or no no, it's them TERRORISTS. It couldn't possibly be because there are too many people, because there are too many kids, because you need a liscense to buy or sell practically anything, to fill out a form to vote or join the military or get a job anywhere, but all you need to pump out a kid is some sperm and a vagina, could it? Never!

Blah. What do you think about kids?


I love kids. And when raised well, they're a joy. It's the parents that fail to raise them that are causing the problems.

Sure, I'd love to impose a licensing scheme on parents. But I doubt that I'd ever get elected on a platform like that.

If you don't like kids, don't have them. Don't hang around them. Tell your parents to stop bugging you about settling down and pumping out a few kids.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my children.

i admit kids are annoying, but thats just their questionable nature, they are on a learning curve to get to adult life. anyways, i cnt wait to have kids (wonders if girlfriend hears him)

IF someone else made the comment about him/her being small-minded (I can't see it looking through the thread, but admittedly I am only skimming), then I apologise for singling you out. As for standing up for someone who hates kids, don't worry, I will be keeping it up. I am fully in favour of people's rights to express their opinions without having to be insulted for it. That does not mean not arguing against the point made - indeed, it would be very dull were that not the case - but rational, level-headed arguments really make your case much stronger. They would be welcomed, not criticised.

I think your intentionally making a mountain out of a molehill, so I wont bother with you on this anymore.

Kids are NOT innocent. You're really fooling yourself. At the least, they're benevolently malicious (a la Dennis the Menace), but most of the time they're self-centered, conniving brats. Having been a kid up until the last 6 or so years, I would know. Also flamebait on the second account.

So, you're saying, when you were born, you born with all the malicious intent that you've exercised your entire life up to this point. That's probably the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever heard. I'm 24 years old, so I remember what it was like being a kid. I never had any malicious intent in my life, other than the usual sibling rivalry.

So don't you DARE tell me I wasn't innocent as a child. And like it or not, ALL CHILDREN ARE BORN INNOCENT! This is a fact. Deal with it.

I like my kid - the rest of them kind of piss me off. Always running around, touching things and breathing.

ugh.

Although to be fair, at 19 months even my daughter is very immature and quite undependable.

Oh, human children are the most innocent? Why's that? Because you say so? Please. And I like how you criticize me for having "hostility" and the next sentence tell me "people like you" shouldn't be "breeding."

This is probably this most moronic piece of logic I have ever come across. Your reasoning for hating children is moronic and pointless. In fact, I'm willing to go so far as to say, the reason you hate children, is because you have no hope of having them period. Mostly because you cannot attract a person long enough to remain in a committed relationship to even get far enough long to have children. So, you take your frustrations out on them. And yes, children *are* the most innocent creatures (other than animals) on this earth. And no amount of ranting on your part is going to change that fact.


Oh yeah. I forgot. I was a kid. How can I forget? Man, I was posting and during that time I'd completely lost knowledge and memory of the basic facts of biological existence. Good thing I have people like YOU to remind me. Maybe your silly ideas about my motivations have no relevance because they're obvious and baseless speculation.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You accuse me of making points based on "baseless speculation". Isn't your original post more or less the same thing? And you're right, it is a good thing that there are people like me around.


Ah yes. It couldn't be because they're raised by people who WANT children, want to have LOTs of them, and can't AFFORD them, and the children grow up to be crack addicts because their parents were so eager to 'contribute' to the world that they forgot that theres more to reproduction than pregnancy and childbirth. It has to be because of people like me - people who obviously want nothing to do with kids, let alone fill the world up with ones who "smoke and do drugs and sex."

If children have to put up with old, bitter, useless adults like you, then yes, people like you are the reason children go bad. And don't expect me to believe that you haven't been around children at some point in your life.

You know, I hate to be a cliche here, but I think the problem is caused by people like YOU since you think it's your god-given duty to procreate. Just like the parents of crack babies do.

Hunny, I am gay. So, as far as idiots like you are concerned, I can't "procreate" because I sleep with men. Goes to show how little you know about life, society, and human beings.


Ah, so you assume that intelligence genes can never be recessive?

You obviously know nothing of genetics either.

Thanks, I will. It makes me look a lot better to put you in your place.

ROFLMAO - This is the most self-absorbed comment you've made so far. Put me in my place? PLEASE! I'm probably far more confident in my lifestyle, intelligence, and personality, than you ever were. You haven't done anything to put me in my place. But you are a great source of amusement.

And I'm pretty sure you're only posting since you're concerned about how well YOU look. People like you who feel the need to 'defend' commonly held beliefs against every minor opinion are mostly all about that.

Girlfriend, I don't give a shit what people like you think about me. If I did, I wouldn't have come out about my sexuality. The fact that I did, clearly indicates that I am comfortable with who and what I am. And I'm not "defending commonly held beliefs". I'm going by the way I was raised. Which apparently was far better than the way you were raised. And while I try to respect opinions, I only respect opinions based on scientific fact. I am a biologist after all, so I've studied everything from microbes to human beings. I know more about biology than you and most other people on the planet. I can tell you the difference between a monocot and dicot plant, and the signs to tell you the difference. I know what the Central Dogma of Genetics is. I know how to identify a tissue sample based on cellular structure. I know how to perform a PCR experiment, and what the results are. I know what a Southern, Northern, and Western Blot Analysis are. Hell, I even know how your sense of smell works, and can even name the biologists that won the Nobel Prize for that research. So don't you fucking assume that I'm doing anything to look good. My points of view are based on facts from research topics that I've done/studied in school, plus my own personal experiences.

I'd respond to some of the other flames, like Rheins Bow's bleating and senseless moaning about how I'm an idiot, or people trying to corner me with their cute perceptions of logic like "kids will keep coming," but it's no sense arguing with kids as they just insist and insist and insist and cannot be reasoned with.

The only children I see on this thread are you and all the "Child Haters". Hell, even the one 13 year old who posted in defense of children sounds and acts far more maturely than you do. You truly must have a blissful existence, because your ignorance is stagaring.

Now *that* is how you put someone in their place. Have a good day, it looks like you'll need it.

This is probably this most moronic piece of logic I have ever come across. Your reasoning for hating children is moronic and pointless. In fact, I'm willing to go so far as to say, the reason you hate children, is because you have no hope of having them period. Mostly because you cannot attract a person long enough to remain in a committed relationship to even get far enough long to have children. So, you take your frustrations out on them. And yes, children *are* the most innocent creatures (other than animals) on this earth. And no amount of ranting on your part is going to change that fact.


...you seem to think that in my quoted post I was giving reasoning for hating children. What a strawman! Yes, I didn't give reasoning, and as such my 'reasoning' was 'moronic.' Brilliant.

I was actually criticizing why YOU insisted they were "the most innocent creatures," as the only reasoning YOU gave for that statement was - your statement.

And you did it again. Still not very convincing. If you expect me to get upset because you don't know how to argue, think again, my confused friend.


Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You accuse me of making points based on "baseless speculation". Isn't your original post more or less the same thing? And you're right, it is a good thing that there are people like me around.

No, my original post (which offends you so much you pretend not to be offended) was my opinion of kids in general. Your post was an argument wherein I was wrong, and the basis of that argument were your speculations about my character (something you seem to do frequently).

And hey it's good that you have such self confidence and self love, because no one else seems to think you're as hot shit as you do.


If children have to put up with old, bitter, useless adults like you, then yes, people like you are the reason children go bad. And don't expect me to believe that you haven't been around children at some point in your life.

Does responding to you count?

Blah blah, old, bitter, blah blah. If it wasn't original or effective the first time you said it... or the times other like-minded geniuses have reached the same 'conclusion'... it's not going to be the second time you say it.


Hunny, I am gay. So, as far as idiots like you are concerned, I can't "procreate" because I sleep with men. Goes to show how little you know about life, society, and human beings.

Wait, I must be ignorant about life, society, and human beings, because I didn't know you liked the cock? Good reasoning, asshole.

People LIKE you - who think children are "the most innocent creatures on earth" etc - are the reason there are so many children and too few real parents and hence many of them go bad. It doesn't matter if you're gay or not, but that sure is at least as relevant to the discussion as whether I am old and bitter or not. (i.e, not relevant at all.)


You obviously know nothing of genetics either.


Oh, obviously. It's so obvious, I'll just let your well-founded statements stand and everyone can draw their own conclusions, or not, about my knowledge-base (which seems to be of supreme importance to people who disagree with me).


ROFLMAO - This is the most self-absorbed comment you've made so far. Put me in my place? PLEASE! I'm probably far more confident in my lifestyle, intelligence, and personality, than you ever were. You haven't done anything to put me in my place. But you are a great source of amusement.

Yes, standard reply, well done. But you're so emotionally torn up over this it's too late to try and fake me. And I like how you're now hedging your bets. You're "probably" far more confident. Wonder how you calculate probabilities with a total lack of data? Anyway, I can agree with that! I'm not confident that I'm 100% always right. I'm quite sure there exist more intelligent people, with better lifestyles, and more interesting personalities than me.

But one thing I can do well is draw out people like you and force you to make asses of yourselves by making appeals to emotion, ad hominems and strawman arguments, and basically stupid arguments for no other reason than amusement. Fine by me - I wouldn't be here if it wasn't amusing to me as well - but I can only wonder where you think getting upset and losing an argument is such 'amusement' to you. ;)


Girlfriend, I don't give a shit what people like you think about me. If I did, I wouldn't have come out about my sexuality.The fact that I did, clearly indicates that I am comfortable with who and what I am. And I'm not "defending commonly held beliefs". I'm going by the way I was raised.

Really, I think the fact that you did shows you DO give a shit what people think about YOU. Otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it, the question of your sexuality being irrelevant. You want me to go "oh, he came out, he's such a fucking rebel" or something. Sorry, not buying it. It just so happens you care about me enough to make not one, but at least two lame posts trying to defend against my offensiveness.


Which apparently was far better than the way you were raised. And while I try to respect opinions, I only respect opinions based on scientific fact.

Oh REALLY. So, your opinion that you were raised "far better" than me is based on what scientific fact? That I'm "old and bitter," based on what scientific fact? That I only dislike children because I "don't have a chance to have them" [or whatever your dumbass opinion was] - also scientific fact?

You just torpedoed yourself there. At least, you shouldn't have any respect for your own opinions, what with them not being based on anything but your own emotive based 'reasoning' powers.


I am a biologist after all, so I've studied everything from microbes to human beings. I know more about biology than you and most other people on the planet. I can tell you the difference between a monocot and dicot plant, and the signs to tell you the difference. I know what the Central Dogma of Genetics is. I know how to identify a tissue sample based on cellular structure. I know how to perform a PCR experiment, and what the results are. I know what a Southern, Northern, and Western Blot Analysis are. Hell, I even know how your sense of smell works, and can even name the biologists that won the Nobel Prize for that research. So don't you fucking assume that I'm doing anything to look good.

LOL!

You just typed a whole paragraph trumpeting your own minor achievements and then you finish it with trying to pretend you're just a humble guy who doesn't trumpet yourself!

Classic.


Now *that* is how you put someone in their place.

Yes, by doing exactly what I expect and saying nothing new and continuing to make an ass out of yourself, "someone" is indeed being put in their place. It's just that that someone is you.

Have a good day, it looks like you'll need it.


Everyone could always use a good day - even me. Thanks and same to you!

They're okay, but I sure as hell don't want any.

sb- were you abused outright as a child, or just ignored?
for the record, i have none, and want none, but i realize every one was a kid at some point. apparently, the threadf starter popped out of his moms vag, aged 18. lucky guy.


ps- sb, you obviously arent gettiing any, or not enough.i guarantee you that when you meet the right person, kids will seem like a very good idea, if thats what they want. or perhaps you will die bitter. whichever works for ya.

What if your parents never decided to have YOU? Answer that my friends.


I really dislike kids unless they are someone elses and I only have to deal with them for a few minutes. Beyond that I want to smack them good. All these people have kids and they can barely take care of them and if they can or not they usually pass on some psycological disorder from bad parenting.

I have wished many times that I was never born. If I had been asked whether I wanted to be born or not, I would have said "I'll pass".

sb- were you abused outright as a child, or just ignored?
for the record, i have none, and want none, but i realize every one was a kid at some point. apparently, the threadf starter popped out of his moms vag, aged 18. lucky guy.

ps- sb, you obviously arent gettiing any, or not enough.

I can usually count on you to make all the wrong arguments already made in the thread, in one tiny post.

To recap, disliking kids does not mean one believes kids do not exist, or that one was not a kid oneself. Nor does it mean I was "abused" or "ignored." And whether I am having sex or not is also irrelevant to whether I like children. Posting your stupid irrelevant speculations about my sex life or past history shows you do like kids, enough to think like one. While you're at it, why don't you change your potty and go play in traffic or something.

i guarantee you that when you meet the right person, kids will seem like a very good idea, if thats what they want. or perhaps you will die bitter. whichever works for ya.

Kids aren't a good idea just because they "seem" like one. Hitler's mother thought Adolf was a good idea. Maybe if less people churned out kids just because they thought they met the "right" person and kids "seemed" like a good idea, there would be fewer millions of starving, abused, neglected and useless children.

sb- were you abused outright as a child, or just ignored?
for the record, i have none, and want none, but i realize every one was a kid at some point. apparently, the threadf starter popped out of his moms vag, aged 18. lucky guy.


ps- sb, you obviously arent gettiing any, or not enough.i guarantee you that when you meet the right person, kids will seem like a very good idea, if thats what they want. or perhaps you will die bitter. whichever works for ya.


lol hey OM welcome back!!!

I've met the right person because she doesnt want kids and neither do I! yay!

Everyone is hellbent on us having kids too. We would rather spend time with each other and doing what we want when we want rather than giving up our lives to raise a little brat.

I can usually count on you to make all the wrong arguments already made in the thread, in one tiny post.

To recap, disliking kids does not mean one believes kids do not exist, or that one was not a kid oneself. Nor does it mean I was "abused" or "ignored." And whether I am having sex or not is also irrelevant to whether I like children. Posting your stupid irrelevant speculations about my sex life or past history shows you do like kids, enough to think like one. While you're at it, why don't you change your potty and go play in traffic or something.
perhaps if insulting me had any effect, that would have been a personal victory for you. but trustme, dont count on it. i can expect nothing less from the most uptight person on this forum. you obviously cannot take a joke, and therein, lies your problem. as for me thinking like a kid, its gotten me great success in this life, far more than you will ever hope to see. i sense great amounts of anger and frustration in every one of your posts, and its just sad. i feel bad for people like you, honestly, i do.



Kids aren't a good idea just because they "seem" like one. Hitler's mother thought Adolf was a good idea. Maybe if less people churned out kids just because they thought they met the "right" person and kids "seemed" like a good idea, there would be fewer millions of starving, abused, neglected and useless children.
first of all, there are many people who think AH was just great, and his mom was most likely one of them.. and perhaps you should do some research on the human condition. people will continue neglect, starve and abuse things in this life, no matter how many or few of them there are. one child that is badly treated is no worse than millions that are. are you saying lower population, (which i support) means less societal problems? wrong. many zero pop. growth countries in europe still have the same murder, crime, suicide ,drug rates, however underreported they may be. children are useless? well, thats interesting, as i would love to see the mark you make on this life. what do you do every day , beyond attempt personal victories on a chat forum?
EDIT_ you said my arguments are wrong? nice try. there are more people here that agree with me on many things, rather than side with you, buddy. sometimes its not what the person has to say ( really, you THINK people read your long winded huffy posts) , but how it is said. take a poll.

perhaps if insulting me had any effect, that would have been a personal victory for you. but trustme, dont count on it. i can expect nothing less from the most uptight person on this forum. you obviously cannot take a joke, and therein, lies your problem.

Oh, it was a JOKE. Maybe you should have clarified that by adding HUMOR.

as for me thinking like a kid, its gotten me great success in this life, far more than you will ever hope to see.

OMGLOLOLOLOL THATS FUNNY.

i sense great amounts of anger and frustration in every one of your posts, and its just sad. i feel bad for people like you, honestly, i do.

OMG ROFL WHERE DO U COME UP WITH THIS MY SIDES OOF!

first of all, there are many people who think AH was just great, and his mom was most likely one of them.. and perhaps you should do some research on the human condition. people will continue neglect, starve and abuse things in this life, no matter how many or few of them there are. one child that is badly treated is no worse than millions that are. are you saying lower population, (which i support) means less societal problems? wrong. many zero pop. growth countries in europe still have the same murder, crime, suicide ,drug rates, however underreported they may be.

It is erroneous to assume lower population = zero population growth.

children are useless? well, thats interesting, as i would love to see the mark you make on this life. what do you do every day , beyond attempt personal victories on a chat forum?

LOOLOLOLOMGROLF.

God damn you, OM, for being so hilariously light-hearted and funny all the time! You're absolutely right that I need to enjoy myself more, and laughing at you is the best way to start.

EDIT_ you said my arguments are wrong? nice try. there are more people here that agree with me on many things, rather than side with you, buddy. sometimes its not what the person has to say ( really, you THINK people read your long winded huffy posts) , but how it is said. take a poll.

It doesn't matter who "sides" with you on "many things." That doesn't make you king shit, and counting on your internet popularity here is fucking sad. What do YOU do, besides have silly popularity contests on the forum? Pot, kettle, black?