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hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.

i could see how to turn this against what ur really trying to do but im nice so i will not :)

I'm really struggling with porn. Give me good links please.

No need to struggle, with a little lotion it should go pretty smoothly.

sorry, couldn't resist.

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.

And self-help comes to NS! You sure you're not just lookin' for a date?

its threads like this that make me need a stiff drink.

Jesus....

*resists urge to make cheap jokes*

*backs out of thread slowly*



awww and i got so many of em too :p

Struggling with Porn? Porn doesn't struggle, my victims do.

thx to teh, i was afraid of people posting porno and stuff. to bunnyducks, i have to ask, do u go to church? if u do, setting up an accountabillity thing with a friend or youth pastor helps ALOT. i must also suggest "Every Young Man's Struggle", a great book that tends to help alot. i haven't read it myself, but i've seen it's work. if u don't go to church, u should try it. other than that, the biggest help is prayer (i'll be praying for u). o, and even though u fail again and again, like us all, don't get duscouraged. my youth pastor took a whole year to quit, so ur not alone.

*resists urge to make cheap jokes*

*backs out of thread slowly*



awww and i got so many of em too :p

i know how you feel :(

Hard-core is illegal here in Oklahoma, so I have to go to Texas to get the good stuff.

And self-help comes to NS! You sure you're not just lookin' for a date?
yes i'm sure. if u could please try to refrain from comments like that...

Hard-core is illegal here in Oklahoma, so I have to go to Texas to get the good stuff.
Are you kidding me? Oklahoma and Iran sure do have alot in common.

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.
Why struggle ... enjoy the beauty that god gave women (well if there is a god)

Hard-core is illegal here in Oklahoma, so I have to go to Texas to get the good stuff.
please, if ur not here to help or be helped, leave, don't interfere. please...

-snip-
I think you may have misunderstood the joke in there actually. He was saying he's struggling with porn, as he can't find any good links, then asked if you had any.

I have advice to people who feel guilty about looking at porn.

Don't. Feel guilty that is. It's a perfectly normal thing for teenage males to do.

please, if ur not here to help or be helped, leave, don't interfere. please...
Who said repression is "helping"

Why struggle ... enjoy the beauty that god gave women (well if there is a god)
trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong. that includes homosexuallity, for those who are unsure.

If you get a bookstand, that will leave both hands free. Or for the internet, get a good voice recognition program.

keep lots of pictures of your mum around your room and on your walls.

I have advice to people who feel guilty about looking at porn.

Don't. Feel guilty that is. It's a perfectly normal thing for teenage males to do.
may be common, but it's neither normal nor right.

trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong. that includes homosexuallity, for those who are unsure.
Masturbation is never mentioned it the Bible.

Actually, scratch that. Dildos are mentioned, and in a neutral light. I know the Bible doesn't mention porn. Although the Song of Solomon is porn.

trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong. that includes homosexuallity, for those who are unsure.
I could argue that the bible does not make that clear

But irregardless I dont hold the bible as truth therefore I dont believe should govern my life (and sorry can not believe you that their is a god out there)

Either way I dont think you have anything to be ashamed of ... make sure you dont get so obsessed that it causes consequences and have fun with it

may be common, but it's neither normal nor right.
Since just about everyone does it, it's normal. Also it ain't wrong.

may be common, but it's neither normal nor right.
Who says? (remember using the bible as proof proves nothing with most of us)

may be common, but it's neither normal nor right.
It is normal to be curious and look at porn. It's a biological instinct.

It is normal to be curious and look at porn. It's a biological instinct.
Not to mention statisticaly "normal" as it fits in the standard bell curve

It is normal to be curious and look at porn. It's a biological instinct.
normal to be courious and look, yes, but not to keep looking after that. this stupid, i'm gonna leave u guys to ur sickness. God bless

trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong. that includes homosexuallity, for those who are unsure.
Link please? Especially about the homosexuality part.

And pray tell, how do you suppose the world managed to survive before marriage as a concept was invented if God only wanted sexuality inside marriage?

I mean, every single human before a certain point has to be in hell, since marriage was not invented.

to bunnyducks, i have to ask, do u go to church? if u do, setting up an accountabillity thing with a friend or youth pastor helps ALOT. i must also suggest "Every Young Man's Struggle", a great book that tends to help alot. i haven't read it myself, but i've seen it's work. if u don't go to church, u should try it. other than that, the biggest help is prayer (i'll be praying for u). o, and even though u fail again and again, like us all, don't get duscouraged. my youth pastor took a whole year to quit, so ur not alone.
Well, to be completely honest with you, I was just messing around. I just worded my post in a way I wouldn't come off as a complete ass - still, I was joking. I don't find masturbation a thing you should have a problem with (ok, I'm being serious here!). I now see you were being serious with this thread. Have fun, I'm gone. Sorry for the interference

normal to be courious and look, yes, but not to keep looking after that. this stupid, i'm gonna leave u guys to ur sickness. God bless
Not sickness ... being human

Are you kidding me? Oklahoma and Iran sure do have alot in common.

If you want a tattoo you also have to go to Texas. They're illegal in Oklahoma. On account of the Talibaptists.

normal to be courious and look, yes, but not to keep looking after that. this stupid, i'm gonna leave u guys to ur sickness. God bless
Have fun with yours as well.

To the thread starter: Please don't spread your puritanical culture of shame and ignorance of human sexuality.

Thank you.

normal to be courious and look, yes, but not to keep looking after that. this stupid, i'm gonna leave u guys to ur sickness. God bless
What, you can't debate and so resort to running away? Typical.

And if porn is a sickness, what's the incubation period? Is there a vaccine? Is there medicine to treat it? I kinda need to know, because I was exposed to it about half an hour before reading this thread.

Aw shucks, we ran him off.

Im struggling to stop. :(

400 times a day is too much , wouldn't you say?

trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong. that includes homosexuallity, for those who are unsure.

Correction. It is okay to be homosexual. But it is wrong to have sexual relationship with a person of the same gender.

If you want to stop taking masturbating/lookingatporn/lust/etc

Cut off your balls. That usually kills the sex drive.

If you want a tattoo you also have to go to Texas. They're illegal in Oklahoma. On account of the Talibaptists.

Damn...I was about to suggest that you tattoo a picture of your mum on your...uhm... *mumble* to prevent wanking and such... Nevermind.

Im struggling to stop. :(

400 times a day is too much , wouldn't you say?
Jesus. How the hell did you manage that?

On second thought, forget that I said that.

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.
If Your Body Is Dirty, The Fault Lies With The Manufacturer.
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hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.
How can you struggle with porn?

The plastic on the girly mags can't be that hard to tear.

Jesus. How the hell did you manage that?

On second thought, forget that I said that.

Perhaps I exaggerated a bit too much. Okay, alot. But two days seems like an eternity and that certainly can't be good..

Link please? Especially about the homosexuality part.

And pray tell, how do you suppose the world managed to survive before marriage as a concept was invented if God only wanted sexuality inside marriage?

I mean, every single human before a certain point has to be in hell, since marriage was not invented.
for homosexuallity, here's a verse.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

marriage was actually created by God in the begginning.

Genisis 2:24-25

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
u must also remember that in hebrew tradition, consumation was what we would call marriage, and marriage was only what we would call engagement.

I also think a support group is an excellent idea.

We all need assistance now and then.

trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong.
Yes, sex is for reproduction only, which is why women have the clitoris. An organ that does nothing but provide pleasure.

Oh, and we're also supposed to do it missionary style, right? Which is of course why the g-spot is on the front wall of the vagina and more easily stimulated by doggy style intercourse.

And of course, men aren't supposed to have sex with other men, which must be why the only way for men to have multiple orgasms is with prostate stimulation... for those who don't know what's involved in that, try google.

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.
Puppet-Boy; The only "struggle" I have (every now and then) requires a tissue.

Please, I beg of you, get fuckkin' laid, man! :p

for homosexuallity, here's a verse.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

The word translated as "homosexuals" is a word made up by Paul, by combing other words. The word is arsenkotai and roughly translates as "male temple prostitute". You lose.

for homosexuallity, here's a verse.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Actually the word homosexual didn't exist back then... it was a mistranslation. It should read effeminate, which had a different meaning back then, basically lazy people who don't contribute to soceity.

marriage was actually created by God in the begginning.

Genisis 2:24-25

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
u must also remember that in hebrew tradition, consumation was what we would call marriage, and marriage was only what we would call engagement.
Doesn't change the fact that marriage existed before judaism or chrisitanity nor did it exist solely in cultures where those religious flourished. Nor was it always male-female pairing.

I suggest we move this thread out of "general" and into the middle ages.

alright, maybe it does seem very childish of me to run away, but i did not come here to debate whether or not porn is wrong, whether or not God exists, whether or not the Bible is truth, i came her for the reasons stated at the beginning. of all the posts i've seen, only one has been even slightly related to this topic in the sense intended.

well one tactic, which i wouldn't go trying since i don't want to deny my humanity because of a old poorly translated book about the ancient societies, but i think a behaviorist answer could be that everytime you really feel like it, damage your body or do something extremly painful to yourself, maybe use needles. everytime, immediately when you start feeling anti-christian feelings.

i think in the long run that would work so that in the end you wouldn't need to use the needle and you would be free of your sickness and accepted by the heavenly god who created us a perfect images of himself.

Hard-core is illegal here in Oklahoma, so I have to go to Texas to get the good stuff.I hear that. I love the giant porn barn goin down I-35 into Texas. I hear there's another bill to legalize tattooing that's getting support because we're the only state left where it's illegal.

Now as for this general topic, I will only say that I wish I had a frying pan and a bunch of you tards in a room. And by tard I mean the ones who are supporting this load of garbage. Porn is fine. Masturbation is fine. People like you are not fine. People like you are why other folks feel bad about their sexuality. Sex should be embraced not treated like the dirtiest most taboo subject ever. If god wanted us so badly not to pleasure ourselves, I think there would be some sort of requirement of another party to orgasm. But there's not. I can do it now or in five minutes or whenever the hell I want.

Let's take a look, shall we?

for homosexuallity, here's a verse.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Offenders being the important word. Homosexuals are fine as long as they are not offending. Just like everyone else, I might add. Also, is female prostitute alright, since it is only male prostitutes that are named in that passage?


marriage was actually created by God in the begginning.

Genisis 2:24-25

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

u must also remember that in hebrew tradition, consumation was what we would call marriage, and marriage was only what we would call engagement.
If we go by the hebrew tradition, anytime there is consumation, there is marriage. Are you saying that I'm married with all my sexual partners I had?

Also, I choose to go by the twisted logic that Adam and Eve were married so, since we come from them, we are okay to engage in sexual activities since we are the result of a legitimate marriage and sex is ok if done in the legitimacy of marriage.

Marrige existed well before Jesus, the romans had it for example. and theres evidence of cultures sepreate from the jews having marrige, the chinese for example. Or did they steal it becuase it was *such* a groovy idea.

... which must be why the only way for men to have multiple orgasms is with prostate stimulation... for those who don't know what's involved in that, try google. I tried Google... and my prostate isn't stimulated AT ALL! *wasted 10 minutes of my life, you bastard*

I hear that. I love the giant porn barn goin down I-35 into Texas. I hear there's another bill to legalize tattooing that's getting support because we're the only state left where it's illegal.

Yeah, it's hilarious. As soon as you cross the Oklahoma/Texas border, there it is.

I tried Google... and my prostate isn't stimulated AT ALL! *wasted 10 minutes of my life, you bastard*

Did you make sure to use protection? I hear you can catch some pretty nasty stuff if you don't use the filter.

:D

Yeah, it's hilarious. As soon as you cross the Oklahoma/Texas border, there it is.
I've never actually gone inside that place. I don't know anyone who has. I do always feel obligated to point it out when I see it though.

I have never had trouble watching porn and/or masturbating.

I have never had trouble watching porn and/or masturbating.
Honestly, it's not like we have to hand crank nickelodeons anymore...

I have never had trouble watching porn and/or masturbating.

And if you do...This may help:
http://daimaoh.kir.jp/ho/menssom.htm

And if you do...This may help:
http://daimaoh.kir.jp/ho/menssom.htm


u rock Crapholistan!

u rock Crapholistan!

Just trying to help...

Now as for this general topic, I will only say that I wish I had a frying pan and a bunch of you tards in a room. And by tard I mean the ones who are supporting this load of garbage. Porn is fine. Masturbation is fine. People like you are not fine. People like you are why other folks feel bad about their sexuality. Sex should be embraced not treated like the dirtiest most taboo subject ever. If god wanted us so badly not to pleasure ourselves, I think there would be some sort of requirement of another party to orgasm. But there's not. I can do it now or in five minutes or whenever the hell I want.
Wasn't it Freud who said the only unnatural sex was having none at all?

As an atheist I don't agree with any religious arguments against pornography but I am opposed to it because I believe it exploits, degrades and dehumanises women. I would advise anyone to read the works of Andrea Dworkin and other radical feminists to find out the truth about pornography and the sex industry and excerpts from some of her books, articles and speeches can be read at: http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/OnlineLibrary.html.

As an atheist I don't agree with any religious arguments against pornography but I am opposed to it because I believe it exploits, degrades and dehumanises women.
What about the men involved in pornography, do you think it exploits, degrades and dehumanises them? Besides, it is voluntary for the porn stars, not forced. They can get another job if they want.

What about the men involved in pornography, do you think it exploits, degrades and dehumanises them? Besides, it is voluntary for the porn stars, not forced. They can get another job if they want.
While true in theory, it is far from the case more often than not.

alright, maybe it does seem very childish of me to run away, but i did not come here to debate whether or not porn is wrong, whether or not God exists, whether or not the Bible is truth, i came her for the reasons stated at the beginning. of all the posts i've seen, only one has been even slightly related to this topic in the sense intended.

But the main purpose of this forum is for political debate (although there is a lot of socialising and stuff as well). If you tried to start any kind of support group here, people would probably try to debate about it.

If you want to start a masturbation support group, I suggest you create an offsite forum on a site like invisionfree.com (http://www.invisionfree.com/). You could link to it in your signature or something and you won't get this kind of debate.

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.
if you're struggling with masturbation, you aren't doing it right.

if you're struggling with masturbation, you aren't doing it right.

:) I allready suggested the perfect solution earlier.

Honestly, it's not like we have to hand crank nickelodeons anymore...


LoL...you are so funny.


"Make porn....not war"

yes i'm sure. if u could please try to refrain from comments like that...

It's only construed as a "comment" because of the guilt eating at you. I prefer to find out someone's qualifications before seeking any form of guidance from them. I've also been on the internet long enough to know that "I'm only trying to help" means "We will end up naked together" 85% of the time.

I prefer to protect my more naive brothers and sisters in that capacity.

for homosexuallity, here's a verse.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

marriage was actually created by God in the begginning.

Genisis 2:24-25

24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
u must also remember that in hebrew tradition, consumation was what we would call marriage, and marriage was only what we would call engagement.


Been used before .... the first one is not even posible for translation ... there was no word for homosexual in hebrew

LoL...you are so funny.


"Make porn....not war"
Ok :) where are we going to make it at?

I already feel the "friction" in this thread already!


Bahahahahhahah puns, :cool:

I already feel the "friction" in this thread already!
Bahahahahhahah puns, :cool:

Don't want to "stroke" anyone the wrong way.... I guess I won't play "hard and fast" with the truth! Ooooo, two bad puns in one post! :cool:

I already feel the "friction" in this thread already!


Bahahahahhahah puns, :cool:

Oh please its Hard enough already :cool:

Oh please its Hard enough already :cool:

I know, this thread gets Longer and Harder to post in! :cool:

my legs are spread and my cock is rock hard. My entire body quivers as I stroke the erect member with my fingers; the nerve endings on my penis scream with pleasure.

How about you just stop repressing yourself?

I know, this thread gets Longer and Harder to post in! :cool:Yeah, these posts are getting a little hard to swallow.

Yeah, these posts are getting a little hard to swallow.

And alot of people come here.

hey have any of you strong mens seen any seamen around?

Here is a wonderful prayer and a short quote from Baha'u'llah. There are many other prayers revealed by Baha'u'llah that I can share with you if you like.


My God, my Adored One, my King, my desire! What tongue can voice my thanks to Thee? I was heedless, Thou didst awaken me. I had turned back from Thee, Thou didst graciously *19* aid me to turn towards Thee. I was as one dead, Thou didst quicken me with the water of life. I was withered, Thou didst revive me with the heavenly stream of Thine utterance which hath flowed forth from the Pen of the All-Merciful.

O Divine Providence! All existence is begotten by Thy bounty; deprive it not of the waters of Thy generosity, neither do Thou withhold it from the ocean of Thy mercy. I beseech Thee to aid and assist me at all times and under all conditions, and seek from the heaven of Thy grace Thine ancient favor. Thou art, in truth, the Lord of bounty, and the Sovereign of the kingdom of eternity.

- Bahá'u'lláh

(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 18)


O SON OF SPIRIT!
I created thee rich, why dost thou bring thyself down to poverty? Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself? Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone beside Me? Out of the clay of love I molded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another? Turn thy sight unto thyself, that thou mayest find Me standing within thee, mighty, powerful and self-subsisting.

(Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)

And alot of people come here.

Unfortunately, people spend too much time playing with their puppets.

Unfortunately, people spend too much time playing with their puppets.

We are flogging a dead horse here...







:eek:

Yep, that's final, I'm done with porn.

*puts on pants*

We are flogging a dead horse here...

:eek:

Yes, I guess it's too hard to handle for some people... no, I'll stop. This has gone too far.... :(

Yes, I guess it's too hard to handle for some people... no, I'll stop. This has gone too far.... :(

Don't stop before I'm done!

trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong. that includes homosexuallity, for those who are unsure.

So I guess that means that the song of Solomon is supposed to be in the apocrypha?

Jesus does say that it's only men who feel that they are able who should make themselves eunuchs. If it's a struggle then you should just get over yourself and crank one out.

trust me, there is a God. but the beauty that He created, as u put it, is supposed to exist inside marriage, and the Bible makes it very clear that porn/lust/masturbation and the like are wrong. that includes homosexuallity, for those who are unsure.

Waaaiiit...Point out the verse in the Bible which says "Thou shalt not look upon the naked visage of a person on your laptop, for that misuse of the Internet is forbidden."

I'm pretty sure the concept of porn wasn't invented until way after the Bible was written.

Waaaiiit...Point out the verse in the Bible which says "Thou shalt not look upon the naked visage of a person on your laptop, for that misuse of the Internet is forbidden."

I'm pretty sure the concept of porn wasn't invented until way after the Bible was written.

It's "cyberius 23:40" : "And a plague on ye oh who stareth upon www dot leathernuns dot cometh on thyne laptopeth. And your house shalleth forever be cursed with the plague of the sticky-mouse syndrome."

And if you do...This may help:
http://daimaoh.kir.jp/ho/menssom.htm
Even though it should, the fact that this was invented in Japan fails to surprise me in the least. My god that place is weird.

Also: Yay porn!

Even though it should, the fact that this was invented in Japan fails to surprise me in the least. My god that place is weird.

Also: Yay porn!

Yeah, I hear there is one in every japanese home.

Don't stop before I'm done!
come on put some effort in this isn't as deep as it could be

Pfft. learn from the pro. Me.

16year old male-- never once had sex/never once jerked off.

Although I did watch a lot of porn, until I figured out that porn alone won't get me off.

I am not sure if it goes for everyone, but a problem I had, is that sexual unsatisfaction has caused my fantasies to pervert slightly. or not so slightly.

Im struggling to stop. :(

400 times a day is too much , wouldn't you say?
not if you drink plenty of water.

not if you drink plenty of water.
I would think you also need to eat a lot, since semen contains a lot of glucose.

I have never had trouble watching porn and/or masturbating.
I have problems. But that's because I have dial-up. Maaan! Talk about struggling with porn!

I would think you also need to eat a lot, since semen contains a lot of glucose.
Sugar and water, then.

If your having so many problems, then find a good friend, thats what my friend did, and she certainly seemed to like it. Not gonna tell the rest of the story which makes it funny as hell, unless asked

come on put some effort in this isn't as deep as it could be

Uh-oh...I just put it in the wrong place

thx to teh, i was afraid of people posting porno and stuff. to bunnyducks, i have to ask, do u go to church? if u do, setting up an accountabillity thing with a friend or youth pastor helps ALOT. i must also suggest "Every Young Man's Struggle", a great book that tends to help alot. i haven't read it myself, but i've seen it's work. if u don't go to church, u should try it. other than that, the biggest help is prayer (i'll be praying for u). o, and even though u fail again and again, like us all, don't get duscouraged. my youth pastor took a whole year to quit, so ur not alone.

Well I hope you realize (just as a point of interest) every time you fail your the same as a homosexual failing in his/her struggle to fight their urges.

Few christians fail to recognize this.. which infact is not a problem as logn as you realize homosexuality is an everday sin to be contended with.. as lust is all consuming ^-^ (my favorite sin is Envy though)

and no im not a liberal but a devout Roman Catholic

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.
There's always castration.

I mean, that way, you can ensure:

You'll never masturbate
You'll never be homosexual
You'll never use contraception
You'll never have pre-marital sex
You'll never take part in an abortion

Kill five birds with one stone.

Because the fact is that abstinence education does not work. However, I fully support castration education... But only for Fundamentalist Christians.

Well I hope you realize (just as a point of interest) every time you fail your the same as a homosexual failing in his/her struggle to fight their urges.

Few christians fail to recognize this.. which infact is not a problem as logn as you realize homosexuality is an everday sin to be contended with.. as lust is all consuming ^-^ (my favorite sin is Envy though)

and no im not a liberal but a devout Roman Catholic
WTF, what if yuo are not christian.

There's always castration.

I mean, that way, you can ensure:

You'll never masturbate
You'll never be homosexual
You'll never use contraception
You'll never have pre-marital sex
You'll never take part in an abortion

Kill five birds with one stone.

Because the fact is that abstinence education does not work. However, I fully support castration education... But only for Fundamentalist Christians.
I don't know about fundamentalist christians, but judaism tells you to have as many kids as possible, thus castration is not allowed.

WTF, what if yuo are not christian.
Then you just have sticky hands.

Then you just have sticky hands.
What if you are not christian, and you don't masturbate because yuor religion forbids it? THere are more than 1 religions, mind you.

16year old male-- never once had sex/never once jerked off.

Don't take this as a personal attack, but I am extremely glad that I am not you.
Although I did watch a lot of porn, until I figured out that porn alone won't get me off.
Quite true, thats why humans were born with hands.

Don't take this as a personal attack, but I am extremely glad that I am not you.

:( :( :( :( :(

At least my hands aren't sticky. And my keyboards last forever.

[snip]
Because the fact is that abstinence education does not work.
[snip]


That really depends on what you consider the goal. Now that the numbers are coming back, the research is showing that abstinence education has been very successful in increasing the age of first sexual intercourse, lowering the teen pregnancy rate, and slowing down the spread of VD among teenagers. However, it has lead to an increase in non-intercourse sexual activity (oral sex for example). If your goal was to slow down the spread of diseases and lower the teen pregnancy rate, abstinence only education has been wildly successful. If your goal was to stop teenagers from engaging in any sexual activity, then abstinence education has been a dismal failure.

That really depends on what you consider the goal. Now that the numbers are coming back, the research is showing that abstinence education has been very successful in increasing the age of first sexual intercourse, lowering the teen pregnancy rate, and slowing down the spread of VD among teenagers. However, it has lead to an increase in non-intercourse sexual activity (oral sex for example). If your goal was to slow down the spread of diseases and lower the teen pregnancy rate, abstinence only education has been wildly successful. If your goal was to stop teenagers from engaging in any sexual activity, then abstinence education has been a dismal failure.
Actually there is s similar amount of venereal disease in those who took abstinence pledges and those who did not. It is believed that although those who did not pledge may have had more partners those who did had no knowledge of protection from disease.

Hooray for porno! :D

*hires a cheerleading team* :D

Actually there is s similar amount of venereal disease in those who took abstinence pledges and those who did not. It is believed that although those who did not pledge may have had more partners those who did had no knowledge of protection from disease.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/03/18/virginitystudy.stds.ap/index.html

Yeah "virgins" and us normal people actually have the same rate of veneral disease. Yeah, who would have thought huh? We'll you might as well go all the way now suckers.

Pfft. learn from the pro. Me.

16year old male-- never once had sex/never once jerked off.

Although I did watch a lot of porn, until I figured out that porn alone won't get me off.

I am not sure if it goes for everyone, but a problem I had, is that sexual unsatisfaction has caused my fantasies to pervert slightly. or not so slightly.
The first time I jerked off I didn't even realize what I was doing. It just felt good to do what I was doing. I was probably 12.

The first time I jerked off I didn't even realize what I was doing. It just felt good to do what I was doing. I was probably 12.

The first time "I popped my cork" I was about 10. I remember, because I was listening to Michael Jackson. No. Not a song, I was getting instructions.

My mother has some reeeeeaallly embarrassing stories of places and times I'd do it as a toddler. :eek:

Pfft. learn from the pro. Me.

16year old male-- never once had sex/never once jerked off.

Although I did watch a lot of porn, until I figured out that porn alone won't get me off.

I am not sure if it goes for everyone, but a problem I had, is that sexual unsatisfaction has caused my fantasies to pervert slightly. or not so slightly.


... sexual predator in the making. :eek:

... sexual predator in the making. :eek:

I was thinking "future serial killer" when I read that.

First off, the whole sex thing is overrated as a sin. It's really old hat these days. It's been clinically proven to improve one's health! A great stress reliever. Why would you do away with a practice that's both normal and GOOD FOR YOU! (Assuming you're careful w/ partners and put a raincoat on ye ol' fireman.)

It's worked great for at least 4 billion years of history too! Where would we be if those hair apes failed to fire their seed willy nilly, as it were, and hopefully land on a target now and then?

Get educated, live your life, and shrug off the useless guilt heaped upon you by those who's thought patterns have ossified into history.

My mother has some reeeeeaallly embarrassing stories of places and times I'd do it as a toddler. :eek:
:eek:

I was thinking "future serial killer" when I read that.

Wasn't some shame in his homosexual urges involved with Jeffery Dahmer getting started?

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.

Ok, if you believe your religion forbids this strictly, you are wrong, but there are numerous realistic reasons to quell this.

Umm lemme try, I have not tried to quell masturbation myself but this might work on it.

Try chants, prayer, or physical cues like pinching yourself, try to suffer a negative feeling when you begin masturbation or when you desire to do it. Try to avoid sexual thoughts altogether and focus on your love of your god. Try to think of the Lord whenever you feel the need or urge to masturbate and think of his love for you and how shameful it would be to masturbate and look at pornography while he is watching over you. When you are desperate and wish to relapse just focus intensely on either your faith or another distraction, preferably something very demanding of your attention (like a fast-paced game or physical exercise, try to tire yourself out with both.) After abstaining for a while, become angry and easily agitated and opinionate yourself strongly on masturbation, make sure that you feel superior for not doing so and be condescending of people who do masturbate. After a while of this you should naturally get distracted and stop thinking much about it. Just be absolutely sure not to relapse.

There ya go. Should help. Should you try this, warn me once you get to the anger phase so that I may keep my distance.

Ok, if you believe your religion forbids this strictly, you are wrong, but there are numerous realistic reasons to quell this.

Umm lemme try, I have not tried to quell masturbation myself but this might work on it.

Try chants, prayer, or physical cues like pinching yourself, try to suffer a negative feeling when you begin masturbation or when you desire to do it. Try to avoid sexual thoughts altogether and focus on your love of your god. Try to think of the Lord whenever you feel the need or urge to masturbate and think of his love for you and how shameful it would be to masturbate and look at pornography while he is watching over you. When you are desperate and wish to relapse just focus intensely on either your faith or another distraction, preferably something very demanding of your attention (like a fast-paced game or physical exercise, try to tire yourself out with both.) After abstaining for a while, become angry and easily agitated and opinionate yourself strongly on masturbation, make sure that you feel superior for not doing so and be condescending of people who do masturbate. After a while of this you should naturally get distracted and stop thinking much about it. Just be absolutely sure not to relapse.

There ya go. Should help. Should you try this, warn me once you get to the anger phase so that I may keep my distance.

This is a scientific experiment, right? To see if the kid explodes, right?

This is a scientific experiment, right? To see if the kid explodes, right?

He asked how to drop a masturbation habit. I am no christian but I still had some ideas on how to help. I wrote that entirely seriously. He asked for a means and I analyzed this as a potential means by remembering my own experiences and what I have analyzed in other humans.

My advice: Stop reading the Bible, there's too much perversion in it. Especially that Song of Solomon, with her breasts like earthworks and so on.

Wear a cilice. I heard it works wonders, but it may send you out in search of crack-whores and turn you into a communist spy as a side effect.

... sexual predator in the making. :eek:
I know! It's scary.....

He asked how to drop a masturbation habit. I am no christian but I still had some ideas on how to help. I wrote that entirely seriously. He asked for a means and I analyzed this as a potential means by remembering my own experiences and what I have analyzed in other humans.
I think making him think shameful thoughts isn't a good thing...

IMO he just needs to lighten up and accept that sexuality is just a part of being human...

This is just bad.

First off, the whole sex thing is overrated as a sin. It's really old hat these days. It's been clinically proven to improve one's health! A great stress reliever. Why would you do away with a practice that's both normal and GOOD FOR YOU! (Assuming you're careful w/ partners and put a raincoat on ye ol' fireman.)

And when you get syphilis, then it really shows improving your health!


Try to think of the Lord whenever you feel the need or urge to masturbate and think of his love for you
Ewww, no.

This is a scientific experiment, right? To see if the kid explodes, right? Pfft, noone explodes from not jacking off.

I think making him think shameful thoughts isn't a good thing...

IMO he just needs to lighten up and accept that sexuality is just a part of being human...

Self control is possible and there is some evidence that celibacy can be healthy in some individuals (just like regular sexual climax can be healthy.)

It is ultimately his choice. It is futile to try and force beliefs on others.

IMO he just needs to lighten up and accept that sexuality is just a part of being human...
Married human being

On other news, I reached the 'deadly' title. Hooray for me.

Married human being

On other news, I reached the deadly title. Hooray for me.
Um er.... You don't miraculously grow a penis or vagina after marriage...

Um er.... You don't miraculously grow a penis or vagina after marriage...

That would be quite... Something, if you did.

I've been struggling a lot with masturbation lately. It just seems like I can never find the time to fit in a quick wank anymore. :(

Um er.... You don't miraculously grow a penis or vagina after marriage...
But you shouldn't use it until marriage. Except for urination, and period.

At least I shouldn't, you do what you want.

I've been struggling a lot with masturbation lately. It just seems like I can never find the time to fit in a quick wank anymore. :(
Whether or not yuo are being sarcastic, this thread is about people who have to deal with not masturbating at all, because it's tabu for them.

But you shouldn't use it until marriage. Except for urination, and period.
Women don't urinate from their vaginas. ;)

And that's YOUR opinion. Most people seem to feel otherwise...

Women don't urinate from their vaginas. ;)

And that's YOUR opinion. Most people seem to feel otherwise...
And men don't have periods.

And i edited my post before you posted yours. read it again.

And when you get syphilis, then it really shows improving your health!

He told you, use *protection* and choose partners carefully... Unless, of course, you think everyone that is single is carrying syphilis?

Women don't urinate from their vaginas. ;)

Actually, some women have defects or clinical conditions which may cause them to urinate from the vagina or even from both openings (vagina and urethra.) This can be caused by things as simple as infections and STDs if they complicate excessively.

He told you, use *protection* and choose partners carefully... Unless, of course, you think everyone that is single is carrying syphilis?
protection can fail.

He told you, use *protection* and choose partners carefully... Unless, of course, you think everyone that is single is carrying syphilis?
Nah, just everyone who has premarital sex. :eek:

BTW, the really sad and sick part of this: my mom gave me an OK to have sex. Don't ask me how it came up. It creeps me out. And I can't even use it.

Actually, some women have defects or clinical conditions which may cause them to urinate from the vagina or even from both openings (vagina and urethra.) This can be caused by things as simple as infections and STDs if they complicate excessively.
Well I assumed we were talking about the normal situation here.. :rolleyes:

Actually, some women have defects or clinical conditions which may cause them to urinate from the vagina or even from both openings (vagina and urethra.) This can be caused by things as simple as infections and STDs if they complicate excessively.
we're talking about an average woman.

protection can fail.

It can...But most likely it won't. In ten years, I haven't cought anything.

BTW, the really sad and sick part of this: my mom gave me an OK to have sex. Don't ask me how it came up. It creeps me out. And I can't even use it.

Any respectable person tells their kids, once they've reached a certain point, that it is OK if they have sex but not OK if they have sex without contraception.

Its the best way to prevent teen pregnency.

BTW, the really sad and sick part of this: my mom gave me an OK to have sex. Don't ask me how it came up. It creeps me out. And I can't even use it.
You're pretty lucky. My mom would castrate me if she found out I had had sex. Good thing she doesn't know I have.

protection can fail.


It rarely ever does though.

The risk is in fact almost non existant.

You probably have a better chance of dying in a car wreck than getting knocked up while on the pill and using condoms.

Any respectable person tells their kids, once they've reached a certain point, that it is OK if they have sex but not OK if they have sex without contraception.

Its the best way to prevent teen pregnency.
Do I really have to remind what's the best way to avoid pregnancy?

Do I really have to remind what's the best way to avoid pregnancy?
Do I have to remind you how non practical that statisticaly some can do it some cant

It rarely ever does though.

The risk is in fact almost non existant.

You probably have a better chance of dying in a car wreck than getting knocked up while on the pill and using condoms.
condom =95%

Pill doesn't prevent from STD's.

Do I really have to remind what's the best way to avoid pregnancy?


We arent talking about fairy fantasy land here.

If you'd rather jesus smile and your kids get pregnent/ knock somone up then by all means forbid them on pain of death to have sex and say nothing else.

It doesnt work.


If you however would rather your kids not have kids while they are kids, any reasonable person would do what was said above and take their chances with jesus smiling.

Do I have to remind you how non practical that statisticaly some can do it some cant
Refrase that please.

We arent talking about fairy fantasy land here.

If you'd rather jesus smile and your kids get pregnent/ knock somone up then by all means forbid them on pain of death to have sex and say nothing else.

It doesnt work.


If you however would rather your kids not have kids while they are kids, any reasonable person would do what was said above and take their chances with jesus smiling.
I'm JEWISH!!! WE KILLED JESUS!!!!111!1!
Why does everyone assume I'm christian.

Oh, and if MY kids had premarital sex, they would either marry that person, or else I would disown them.

condom =95%

Pill doesn't prevent from STD's.


You should be ashamed for being a liar.

The effectiveness of condoms is significanty more than 95%.

False witness.

And men don't have periods.

And i edited my post before you posted yours. read it again.
There is some evidence of a monthly hormonal change associated with a possible "male" period (more just a monthy cycle)

I'm JEWISH!!! WE KILLED JESUS!!!!111!1!
Why does everyone assume I'm christian.


It doesnt matter what you want to believe, the great bulk of the problem is with the christians.

You should be ashamed for being a liar.

The effectiveness of condoms is significanty more than 95%.

False witness.
That's what they told us in health class.

condom =95%

Pill doesn't prevent from STD's.
But together they're damn good. The pill to protect from pregnancy, and the condom for STI's.

There is some evidence of a monthly hormonal change associated with a possible "male" period (more just a monthy cycle)
Ok, fine! Women urinate from vaginas and men have periods! Good. That settled, let's move on.

That's what they told us in health class.


It is immoral and forbidden specifically by god to bear false witness.

You lied and said "condoms are 95% effective."

If you wanted to let us know that your health class was an engine of deceit, you could have said "my health class lied and said the effectiveness of condoms is 95%"

It was your decision and you are responsible.

Now with that out of the way, let the poor guy be, One day he will see what he is missing out on, and deeply regret defending his current views so heavily

That's what they told us in health class.
Let me guess abstinance only? though usualy they tend to lie even more

Last I heard was 99+ on the unbroken condom and about 97-98 on the pill

But together they're damn good. The pill to protect from pregnancy, and the condom for STI's.
Again, while condom+pill make pregnancy almost impossible, the condom alone gives 95% of protection from STD's. And it doesn't even protect from some, like crabs, or herpes, or some forms of syphilis.


BTW, remember, that I am not trying to tell you what to do. You should do what you think is right. I am just defending my view.

Oh, and if MY kids had premarital sex, they would either marry that person, or else I would disown them.

:D If you're for real, then you're even crazier than that mormon guy that used to hang out here.

Now with that out of the way, let the poor guy be, One day he will see what he is missing out on, and deeply regret defending his current views so heavily
True ... I was ... I was simmilar to him for a long time (well less because of a belief) more just to "be safe" and relized how much I was missing

It is immoral and forbidden specifically by god to bear false witness.

You lied and said "condoms are 95% effective."

If you wanted to let us know that your health class was an engine of deceit, you could have said "my health class lied and said the effectiveness of condoms is 95%"

It was your decision and you are responsible.
NO, I have told you that according to my source, effectiveness of condoms is 95%. If you have a better source, lets see it and compare them.

http://peteashton.com/library/pics/god_kills_a_kitten.jpg

Again, while condom+pill make pregnancy almost impossible, the condom alone gives 95% of protection from STD's. And it doesn't even protect from some, like crabs, or herpes, or some forms of syphilis.


BTW, remember, that I am not trying to tell you what to do. You should do what you think is right. I am just defending my view.
Do you know that well over 90 percent of humans have herpies ;) abstinant or not

Also you can be a virgin and still get the std's there are other ways to contract them ... such as just "fooling" around

:D If you're for real, then you're even crazier than that mormon guy that used to hang out here.
im 4 r34l h0|\/|l3

And same is true if any of my kids were gay. Or maried a non-Jew.

Do you know that well over 90 percent of humans have herpies ;) abstinant or not

Also you can be a virgin and still get the std's there are other ways to contract them ... such as just "fooling" around
Which I don't do either

Seriously, me being geeky in RL helps to not have sex.

im 4 r34l h0|\/|l3

And same is true if any of my kids were gay. Or maried a non-Jew.
Your fine to believe that ... though we are fine to believe that he would be better off not being controled by you after you terminated contact

Which I don't do either :(

Seriously, me being geeky in RL helps to not have sex.
If you have EVER had a cold sore ... a canker sore ... even if you havent you have 90 percent chance of having type 1 or 2 anyways :) statistical fact

http://peteashton.com/library/pics/god_kills_a_kitten.jpg
Thank you. Your last picture was so bootlegged.

http://peteashton.com/library/pics/god_kills_a_kitten.jpg
I never liked kittens anyway. ;)

im 4 r34l h0|\/|l3

And same is true if any of my kids were gay. Or maried a non-Jew.

Allright... Have fun with your next 10 years or so of non-wanking and such.

im 4 r34l h0|\/|l3

And same is true if any of my kids were gay. Or maried a non-Jew.


I certainly hope you dont have any kids.

Whackjob religious maniacs shouldnt be allowed to reproduce, it is inhumane to subject children and immoral to subject anyone to things like you intend.

I never liked kittens anyway. ;)
I've gotten a medal from PETA from saving a lot of them ;)

I've gotten a medal from PETA from saving a lot of them ;)
Oh yeah, well I work at a veterinary clinic and probably have saved more than you!

Ok guys I know it is hard lets not make this personal

NO, I have told you that according to my source, effectiveness of condoms is 95%. If you have a better source, lets see it and compare them.
If condoms were 95 percent effective I'd have at least 5 or 6 kids by now. They virtually never fail unless you buy them from a vending machine at a bus stop or don't put them on right or something.

Since you started it...
Well I think that atheists shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. No children should be subjected to such lack of morality and a guideline for life.
Good Thing I am agnostic

Oh yeah, well I work at a veterinary clinic and probably have saved more than you!
go ddamned I'm slow tongiht, I should get back to my homework

go ddamned I'm slow tongiht, I should get back to my homework
Yea, and I should go to sleep. Good night.

I never liked kittens anyway. ;)
*sniff sniff*
Preebles doesn't wuv me. :(

I always feel gutted when I see a thread like this with so many replies before I manage to get involved :(

porn = :)

no porn = :(

im 4 r34l h0|\/|l3

And same is true if any of my kids were gay. Or maried a non-Jew.
You started out as a sane person, but now you're just plain talking crazy. Ask your parents if they would disown you for having premarital sex or marrying a non Jew. I doubt they'd answer the same way.

Do you know that well over 90 percent of humans have herpies ;) abstinant or not


You know, I tell people that all the time, but that's just because I am an ass and want to piss them off. Frankly I thought that it was something I just made up.

If you had a source for that, it would be great.

Here are a few passages from Mere Christianity by CS Lewis. I really enjoy and respect his work, as of course many others do. I realize it's quite long (it's pretty much a whole chapter of the book), but the page it's on isn't very formatted so it would be hard to find the relevent material if I just linked to it.
Anyway, I think the original poster will find this passage interesting (I recommend reading the whole book) and helpful.
Please read the whole post before responding (to prevent knee-jerk reactions).

Edit: the entire book is here: http://lib.ru/LEWISCL/mere_engl.txt
But hardcopies are always better.

"Chastity is the most unpopular of the Christian virtues. There is no
getting away from it; the Christian rule is, 'Either marriage, with complete
faithfulness to your partner, or else total abstinence.' Now this is so
difficult and so contrary to our instincts, that obviously either
Christianity is wrong or our sexual instinct, as it now is, has gone wrong.
One or the other. Of course, being a Christian, I think it is the instinct
which has gone wrong.

But I have other reasons for thinking so. The biological purpose of sex
is children, just as the biological purpose of eating is to repair the body.
Now if we eat whenever we feel inclined and just as much as we want, it is
quite true most of us will eat too much: but not terrifically too much. One
man may eat enough for two, but he does not eat enough for ten. The appetite
goes a little beyond its biological purpose, but not enormously. But if a
healthy young man indulged his sexual appetite whenever he felt inclined,
and if each act produced a baby, then in ten years he might easily populate
a small village. This appetite is in ludicrous and preposterous excess of
its function.

Or take it another way. You can get a large audience together for a
strip-tease act - that is, to watch a girl undress on the stage. Now suppose
you come to a country where you could fill a theatre by simply bringing a
covered plate on to the stage and then slowly lifting the cover so as to let
every one see, just before the lights went out, that it contained a mutton
chop or a bit of bacon, would you not think that in that country something
had gone wrong with the appetite for food? And would not anyone who had
grown up in a different world think there was something equally queer about
the state of the sex instinct among us?

One critic said that if he found a country in which such striptease
acts with food were popular, he would conclude that the people of that
country were starving. He meant, of course, to imply that such things as the
strip-tease act resulted not from sexual corruption but from sexual
starvation. I agree with him that if, in some strange land, we found that
similar acts with mutton chops were popular, one of the possible
explanations which would occur to me would be famine. But the next step
would be to test our hypothesis by finding out whether, in fact, much or
little food was being consumed in that country. If the evidence showed that
a good deal was being eaten, then of course we should have to abandon the
hypothesis of starvation and try to think of another one. In the same way,
before accepting sexual starvation as the cause of the strip-tease, we
should have to look for evidence that there is in fact more sexual
abstinence in our age than in those ages when things like the strip-tease
were unknown. But surely there is no such evidence. Contraceptives have made
sexual indulgence far less costly within marriage and far safer outside it
than ever before, and public opinion is less hostile to illicit unions and
even to perversion than it has been since Pagan times. Nor is the hypothesis
of 'starvation' the only one we can imagine. Everyone knows that the sexual
appetite, like our other appetites, grows by indulgence. Starving men may
think much about food, but so do gluttons; the gorged, as well as the
famished, like titillations.

Here is a third point. You find very few people who want to eat things
that really are not food or to do other things with food instead of eating
it. In other words, perversions of the food appetite are rare. But
perversions of the sex instinct are numerous, hard to cure, and frightful. I
am sorry to have to go into all these details but I must. The reason why I
must is that you and I, for the last twenty years, have been fed all day
long on good solid lies about sex. We have been told, till one is sick of
hearing it, that sexual desire is in the same state as any of our other
natural desires and that if only we abandon the silly old Victorian idea of
hushing it up, everything in the garden will be lovely. It is not true. The
moment you look at the facts, and away from the propaganda, you see that it
is not.
They tell you sex has become a mess because it was hushed up. But for
the last twenty years it has not been. It has been chattered about all day
long. Yet it is still in a mess. If hushing up had been the cause of the
trouble, ventilation would have set it right. But it has not. I think it is
the other way round. I think the human race originally hushed it up because
it had become such a mess. Modern people are always saying, 'Sex is nothing
to be ashamed of.' They may mean two things. They may mean 'There is nothing
to be ashamed of in the fact that the human race reproduces itself in a
certain way, nor in the fact that it gives pleasure' If they mean that, they
are right. Christianity says the same. It is not the thing, nor the
pleasure, that is the trouble. The old Christian teachers said that if man
had never fallen, sexual pleasure, instead of being less than it is now,
would actually have been greater. I know some muddle-headed Christians have
talked as if Christianity thought that sex, or the body, or pleasure, were
bad in themselves. But they were wrong. Christianity is almost the only one
of the great religions which thoroughly approves of the body - which
believes that matter is good, that God Himself once took on a human body,
that some kind of body is going to be given to us even in Heaven and is
going to be an essential part of our happiness, or beauty and our energy.
Christianity has glorified marriage more than any other religion: and nearly
all the greatest love poetry in the world has been produced by Christians.
If anyone says that sex, in itself, is bad, Christianity contradicts him at
once. But, of course, when people say, 'Sex is nothing to be ashamed of,'
they may mean 'the state into which the sexual instinct has now got is
nothing to be ashamed of.

If they mean that, I think they are wrong. I think it is everything to
be ashamed of. There is nothing to be ashamed of in enjoying your food:
there would be everything to be ashamed of if half the world made food the
main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of
food and dribbling and smacking their lips. I do not say you and I are
individually responsible for the present situation. Our ancestors have
handed over to us organisms which are warped in this respect: and we grow up
surrounded by propaganda in favour of unchastity. There are people who want
to keep our sex instinct inflamed in order to make money out of us. Because,
of course, a man with an obsession is a man who has very little
sales-resistance. God knows our situation; He will not judge us as if we had
no difficulties to overcome. What matters is the sincerity and perseverance
of our will to overcome them.
Before we can be cured we must want to be cured. Those who really wish
for help will get it; but for many modern people even the wish is difficult.
It is easy to think that we want something when we do not really want it. A
famous Christian long ago told us that when he was a young man he prayed
constantly for chastity; but years later he realised that while his lips had
been saying, 'Oh Lord, make me chaste,' his heart had been secretly adding,
'But please don't do it just yet.' This may happen in prayers for other
virtues too; but there are three reasons why it is now specially difficult
for us to desire - let alone to achieve - complete chastity.
In the first place our warped natures, the devils who tempt us, and all
the contemporary propaganda for lust, combine to make us feel that the
desires we are resisting are so 'natural', so 'healthy', and so reasonable,
that it is almost perverse and abnormal to resist them. Poster after poster,
film after film, novel after novel, associate the idea of sexual indulgence
with the ideas of health, normality, youth, frankness, and good humour. Now
this association is a lie. Like all powerful lies, it is based on a truth -
the truth, acknowledged above, that sex in itself (apart from the excesses
and obsessions that have grown round it) is 'normal' and 'healthy', and all
the rest of it. The lie consists in the suggestion that any sexual act to
which you are tempted at the moment is also healthy and normal. Now this, on
any conceivable view, and quite apart from Christianity, must be nonsense.
Surrender to all our desires obviously leads to impotence, disease,
jealousies, lies, concealment, and everything that is the reverse of health,
good humour, and frankness. For any happiness, even in this world, quite a
lot of restraint is going to be necessary; so the claim made by every
desire, when it is strong, to be healthy and reasonable, counts for nothing.
Every sane and civilised man must have some set of principles by which he
chooses to reject some of his desires and to permit others. One man does
this on Christian principles, another on hygienic principles, another on
sociological principles. The real conflict is not between Christianity and
'nature', but between Christian principles and other principles in the
control of 'nature'. For 'nature' (in the sense of natural desire) will have
to be controlled anyway, unless you are going to ruin your whole life. The
Christian principles are, admittedly, stricter than the others; but then we
think you will get help towards obeying them which you will not get towards
obeying the others.
In the second place, many people are deterred from seriously attempting
Christian chastity because they think (before trying) that it is impossible.
But when a thing has to be attempted, one must never think about possibility
or impossibility. Faced with an optional question in an examination paper,
one considers whether one can do it or not: faced with a compulsory
question, one must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very
imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question
alone. Not only in examinations but in war, in mountain climbing, in
learning to skate, or swim, or ride a bicycle, even in fastening a stiff
collar with cold fingers, people quite often do what seemed impossible
before they did it. It is wonderful what you can do when you have to. We
may, indeed, be sure that perfect chastity - like perfect charity - will not
be attained by any merely human efforts. You must ask for God's help. Even
when you have done so, it may seem to you for a long time that no help, or
less help than you need, is being given. Never mind. After each failure, ask
forgiveness, pick yourself up, and try again. Very often what God first
helps us towards is not the virtue itself but just this power of always
trying again. For however important chastity (or courage, or truthfulness,
or any other virtue) may be, this process trains us in habits of the soul
which are more important still. It cures our illusions about ourselves and
teaches us to depend on God. We learn, on the one hand, that we cannot trust
ourselves even in our best moments, and, on the other, that we need not
despair even in our worst, for our failures are forgiven. The only fatal
thing is to sit down content with anything less than perfection.
Thirdly, people often misunderstand what psychology teaches about
'repressions'. It teaches us that 'repressed' sex is dangerous. But
'repressed' is here a technical term: it does not mean 'suppressed' in the
sense of 'denied' or 'resisted'. A repressed desire or thought is one which
has been thrust into the subconscious (usually at a very arly age) and now
come before the mind only in a disguised and unrecognizable form. Repressed
sexuality does not appear to the patient to be sexuality at all. When an
adolescent or an adult is engaged in resisting a conscious desire, he is not
dealing with a repression nor is he in the least danger of creating a
repression. On the contrary, those who are seriously attempting chastity are
more conscious, and soon know a great deal more about their own sexuality
than anyone else. They come to know their desires as Wellington knew
Napoleon, or as Sherlock Holmes knew Moriarty; as a rat-catcher knows rats
or a plumber knows about leaky pipes. Virtue - even attempted virtue -
brings light; indulgence brings fog.
Finally, though I have had to speak at some length about sex, I want to
make it as clear as I possibly can that the centre of Christian morality is
not here. If anyone thinks that Christians regard unchastity as the supreme
vice, he is quite wrong. The sins of the flesh are bad, but they are the
least bad of all sins. All the worst pleasures are purely spiritual: the
pleasure of putting other people in the wrong, of bossing and patronising
and spoiling sport, and back-biting, the pleasures of power, of hatred. For
there are two things inside me, competing with the human self which I must
try to become. They are the Animal self, and the Diabolical self. The
Diabolical self is the worse of the two. That is why a cold, self-righteous
prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a
prostitute. But, of course, it is better to be neither."

Here are a few passages from Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.
Well written (obviously), but it seems flawed. I'm not trying to tackle the entire thing; I can't its frikken huge. But I do see some things wrong with it. For example the bits about a food striptease, we don't hide our eating from people. No one is in the bathroom trying to quickly eat a pork chop before someone comes in. Teenagers aren't sneaking upstairs to eat a steak together in the bedroom. If we treated eating the same way we treat sexuality we would have some weird ass things involving food similar to those we have with sex.

Also, repression can come from society as well. A strict atmosphere of sexuality being dirty tends to create more perversity than openness. Just look at places like Europe. They generally have a more open attitude about sex, just look at what they have on TV over there (FYI hot). There are much fewer rapes per capita there than in America.

Also: If he thinks people flaunted sexuality then, his head would explode if he ever saw cable TV. :D

Anyway, I hope this helps. In the future, I don't recommend (for your own sake) to expect much help from the NS board. I'm sure you can see why. It's interesting to see atheists in one thread become upset that Christians always "push there views" on them. However, a thread like this is started and they have no problem pushing their views on you and ridiculing you for yours.

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.
I assume your problem with porn and masturbation is a slow dial up speed? There are several download manager programs that can help, if you can't afford broadband.
If your problem is pain or blistering, I would recommend a better lubricant.
Hope this helps.

You know, I tell people that all the time, but that's just because I am an ass and want to piss them off. Frankly I thought that it was something I just made up.

If you had a source for that, it would be great.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but I remember reading that most of the population is infected with the variety that causes cold sores.
BTW, I've never had a cold sore. :D



The herpes simplex viruses comprise 2 distinct types, HSV-1 and HSV-2. HSV-1 causes oral lesions in approximately 80% of cases and genital lesions in 20% of cases. The reverse is true for HSV-2, which causes genital lesions in 80% and oral lesions in 20%. Herpes viruses cause a wide range of diseases, including the following:

Gingivostomatitis
Keratoconjunctivitis
Encephalitis
Genital disease
Newborn infection
Primary infection

Primary infections usually are mild and in many cases asymptomatic. Patients who are immunocompromised may develop severe infections involving multiple organ systems. Immunocompetent individuals also may have severe primary infections.

There we go.http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic246.htm

Anyway, I hope this helps. In the future, I don't recommend (for your own sake) to expect much help from the NS board. I'm sure you can see why. It's interesting to see atheists in one thread become upset that Christians always "push there views" on them. However, a thread like this is started and they have no problem pushing their views on you and ridiculing you for yours.
Push their views IE legislate abstinence only education.

Thats slightly different than giving opinions on a message board.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but I remember reading that most of the population is infected with the variety that causes cold sores.
BTW, I've never had a cold sore. :D



The herpes simplex viruses comprise 2 distinct types, HSV-1 and HSV-2. HSV-1 causes oral lesions in approximately 80% of cases and genital lesions in 20% of cases. The reverse is true for HSV-2, which causes genital lesions in 80% and oral lesions in 20%. Herpes viruses cause a wide range of diseases, including the following:

Gingivostomatitis
Keratoconjunctivitis
Encephalitis
Genital disease
Newborn infection
Primary infection

Primary infections usually are mild and in many cases asymptomatic. Patients who are immunocompromised may develop severe infections involving multiple organ systems. Immunocompetent individuals also may have severe primary infections.

There we go.http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic246.htm


Cheers, BK.

Well written (obviously), but it seems flawed. I'm not trying to tackle the entire thing; I can't its frikken huge. But I do see some things wrong with it. For example the bits about a food striptease, we don't hide our eating from people. No one is in the bathroom trying to quickly eat a pork chop before someone comes in. Teenagers aren't sneaking upstairs to eat a steak together in the bedroom. If we treated eating the same way we treat sexuality we would have some weird ass things involving food similar to those we have with sex.

You just gave another example of why he thinks that the sex instinct has been blown so out of proportion (and is so perverse and unhealthy).

[/QUOTE]
Also, repression can come from society as well. A strict atmosphere of sexuality being dirty tends to create more perversity than openness. Just look at places like Europe. They generally have a more open attitude about sex, just look at what they have on TV over there (FYI hot). There are much fewer rapes per capita there than in America.

Also: If he thinks people flaunted sexuality then, his head would explode if he ever saw cable TV. :D[/QUOTE]

He doesn't advocate that sex be considered dirty. Just the perversions of sex (he talks about this toward the end of the passage). As far as the cable TV thing, yeah, he would be quite troubled. I wonder if he would be surprised.

Here are a few passages from Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.

What about things like the food channel then? What's that all about? Are we food perverts too now? (And have been since Roman times).

For a well educated man, he doesn't half talk some twaddle. People like eating it's fun, they enjoy it both directly and vicariously.

Same with sex. It's normal.

Push their views IE legislate abstinence only education.

Thats slightly different than giving opinions on a message board.

I was thinking more about unwanted Christian conversion attempts. It doesn't matter, though, a wrong doing, or perceived by any group of people (no matter what the scale of the wrong doing is) does not excuse the rudeness seen in this thread. In fact, nothing could excuse these mean spirited responses. Of course, my original point is that it is hypocritical to do so.

What about things like the food channel then? What's that all about? Are we food perverts too now? (And have been since Roman times).

For a well educated man, he doesn't half talk some twaddle. People like eating it's fun, they enjoy it both directly and vicariously.

Same with sex. It's normal.

It's not the same I you know it. What happens on the food channel is nowhere close to our society's idolization of the perversions of sex.

You just gave another example of why he thinks that the sex instinct has been blown so out of proportion (and is so perverse and unhealthy).
He doesn't advocate that sex be considered dirty. Just the perversions of sex (he talks about this toward the end of the passage). As far as the cable TV thing, yeah, he would be quite troubled. I wonder if he would be surprised.
The problem is that he sees talking about sex in public or using sex to sell as perversions. By creating an atmosphere in which discussion of sex isn't "proper" then the de facto message is that sex is dirty.

It's not the same I you know it.
Same, no. Very similar, yes. We desire food for our survival and we desire sex for the survival of the species. Since they are neccesary, nature saw fit to make these acts pleasurable to us so we would do them alot. Thats basically it in the most basic terms.
What happens on the food channel is nowhere close to our society's idolization of the perversions of sex.
Again, thats because perversion comes from repression. If we were all eating steaks at night when no one was watching and felt shamed for doing so, eating food would be pretty screwed up too.

It's not the same I you know it.

If it's not the same, why did he bring it up?

By creating an atmosphere in which discussion of sex isn't "proper" then the de facto message is that sex is dirty.

He never says the discussion of sex is improper.

Anyway, I have to go. For one, it's bed time. Secondly, if I stay here longer, I'll start to misrepresent his argument. If CS Lewis can't convince you of the goodness of sexual morality, than I highly doubt that I can.

At any rate, I'm sure the original poster will find it useful. At least the rest of you might it an "interesting read".

If it's not the same, why did he bring it up?

To show that it isn't the same???


Ok, now I'm leaving for real.

It's not the same I you know it. What happens on the food channel is nowhere close to our society's idolization of the perversions of sex.

Oh really, have you watched the food channel? They don't do many shows on making kraft macaroni and cheese. A great deal of it is idolized food.

And as for perversion, I suggest you check out Iron-Chef. No-one in their right mind would eat that way. (Sweet and sour fois-gras, blech).

Plus, this food perversion is not just a recent phenomenon. I suggest you check up what the romans used to get up too. And, funnily enough, we know about this becuase the romans used to write books about it and make pottery depicting it - early food porn.

Now, clearly, given lewis's educational background, he was well aware of this when he made this facile argument - who can forget the vomitorium. All I am doing is calling him on it.

To show that it isn't the same???


By asserting that we don't sit around watching food, and eating. But we do. Thus following Lewis, either both our appetite for food and sex are awry, or neither are, as they both manifest in the same way.

As he seems to think there is nothing wrong with out appetite for food, therefore porn is okay too.

Under Christianity neither morality nor religion has any point of contact with actuality. It offers purely imaginary causes ("God" "soul," "ego," "spirit," "free will"--or even "unfree"), and purely imaginary effects ("sin" "salvation" "grace," "punishment," "forgiveness of sins").

Intercourse between imaginarybeings ("God," "spirits," "souls"); an imaginarynatural history (anthropocentric; a total denial of the concept of natural causes);

an imaginary psychology (misunderstandings of self, misinterpretations of agreeable or disagreeable general feelings--for example, of the states of the nervus sympathicus with the help of the sign-language of religio-ethical balderdash--, "repentance," "pangs of conscience," "temptation by the devil," "the presence of God");

an imaginaryteleology (the "kingdom of God," "the last judgment," "eternal life").

--This purely fictitious world, greatly to its disadvantage, is to be differentiated from the world of dreams; the later at least reflects reality, whereas the former falsifies it, cheapens it and denies it. Once the concept of "nature" had been opposed to the concept of "God," the word "natural" necessarily took on the meaning of "abominable"--the whole of that fictitious world has its sources in hatred of the natural (--the real!--), and is no more than evidence of a profound uneasiness in the presence of reality. . .

By asserting that we don't sit around watching food, and eating. But we do. Thus following Lewis, either both our appetite for food and sex are awry, or neither are, as they both manifest in the same way.

As he seems to think there is nothing wrong with out appetite for food, therefore porn is okay too.

Ok, I brushed my teeth can came back and couldn't resist. To avoid misrepresentation, I'll stick close to quotes.

"There is nothing to be ashamed of in enjoying your food:
there would be everything to be ashamed of if half the world made food the
main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of
food and dribbling and smacking their lips."

This quote I agree with. If, as you say, the food channel is the equivalent of what this quote describes:

"half the world made food the
main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of
food and dribbling and smacking their lips."

Then I would assume that Lewis would think that is wrong.

Ok, I brushed my teeth can came back and couldn't resist. To avoid misrepresentation, I'll stick close to quotes.

"There is nothing to be ashamed of in enjoying your food:
there would be everything to be ashamed of if half the world made food the
main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of
food and dribbling and smacking their lips."

This quote I agree with. If, as you say, the food channel is the equivalent of what this quote describes:

"half the world made food the
main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of
food and dribbling and smacking their lips."

Then I would assume that Lewis would think that is wrong.

Okay, well the food network gets consitently higher ratings than the playboy channel.

Also, I have restrained myself from pointing this out, but lewis seems overly fond of indulging in false equivalence. To wit:

"half the world made food the
main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of
food and dribbling and smacking their lips."

Is he implying that half the world makes its main interest of their lives looking at pictures of naked people and masterbating? Because that is clearly not true, not by any stretch. Or is he saying that, only if the world acted that way in respect of food, then the appetite for food has gone awry?

In either case, the two things, as lewis presents them, are not equivalent because: he does not set the same boundaries for what he considers an appetite gone awry; or, he vastly overstates the amount and frequency of use of pornography.

Ultimately this no more than a cheap rhetorical trick and sloppily though out. He is suggesting that our appetite for sex must be awry, becuase our appetite for food manifests itself differently. But in doing so, he misrepresents how people actually behave in respect of both activities. All the while subtly implying everyone except self denying christians are pervert.

And this is what bothers me about Lewis the most. A great writer no doubt - ripping yarns full of moral fibre and all that good stuff - but when writing for the "common" man, he would tend to talk down and use unreasonable anology to try and force his point across. Now given his educational background - I have no doubt he was far better aquainted with the Satryicon and the Epicurean v. Stocism debate than I am - he is well aware that his basic proposition here is flawed. Yet no matter, knowing full well that his lecture here is intended for a radio broadcast to the general public, he has no problem in delivering an argument that would not pass muster in the senior fellows common room. It's very patronizing really.

I could go on, having read Mere Christianity..........

His preface about not really caring about which denomination of christianity are chosen not mattering mistates his position actual too.

But I digress. Nothing in that passage can be taken as valid reason to avoid pornography or "self-abuse" - as lewis would no doubt term it.

Just remember, life is short, man is mortal, and the gods are indifferent.

http://peteashton.com/library/pics/god_kills_a_kitten.jpg
wonderful. I eat kittens for breakfast anyways (im chinese)

Actually there is s similar amount of venereal disease in those who took abstinence pledges and those who did not. It is believed that although those who did not pledge may have had more partners those who did had no knowledge of protection from disease.

First of all, my post was about abstinence education, not abstinence pledges. That is an entirely different topic.

Second of all, let us assume that your assertion that those who take the pledges are just as likely to contract VD as those who dont is true (it may or may not be, Ive yet to read on this topic). You claim that "it is believed that..." these people had no knowledge of protection from disease?!! believed by whom?! That is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Do you know any 13 year old who does not know that condoms protect you from disease?

yes i'm sure. if u could please try to refrain from comments like that...

Actually, due to separation from someone I care for very much, I don't have a normal situation about sex. I find that 1. hard work followed by 2. one or two (no more than two, no fewer than one) good stiff drinks are useful. You probably wondered why many good priests drink a bit, it helps. This is very different from drinking to excess. Alchol depresses the part of the brain most related to sex.
So in a nutshell here it is, go out and scythe the lawn, NO lawnmowers, get a good Austrian scythe of the Turkish not the American pattern and go cut the grass like that, then when you are good and tired, have your shower, and a good stiff drink right after dinner. Believe me no thoughts of sex or desire to view porn will disturb your repose.
Eat a normal diet, do not fast, fasting seems to make lust worse. Ever notice how people in totally famine stricken lands have HUGE numbers if children?

Ever notice how people in totally famine stricken lands have HUGE numbers if children?

I had always assumed it was because of a lack of T.V.

First of all, my post was about abstinence education, not abstinence pledges. That is an entirely different topic.

Second of all, let us assume that your assertion that those who take the pledges are just as likely to contract VD as those who dont is true (it may or may not be, Ive yet to read on this topic). You claim that "it is believed that..." these people had no knowledge of protection from disease?!! believed by whom?! That is a ridiculously ignorant statement. Do you know any 13 year old who does not know that condoms protect you from disease?Typically, the problem isn't that 13 year olds don't know condoms protect but that they're fed misinformation about effectiveness by the schools and consequently chose not to use the condoms. I have no evidence to send you on the VD rates of pledgers v. nonpledgers but I have heard it said on the okie news that the rates are almost identical.

hi. i'm a christian who was recently struggling wiht porn, and am still struggling with lust and masturbation. i just kinda feel like setting this up for support, accountabillity, ideas, prayer etc. i originally had this in mind for christians only, but i guess any1 else can post too as long as ur not being disruptive/distructive. floor's open, God bless.

Struggling against your programming if futile. Accept it and try not to let it get you into trouble.

Typically, the problem isn't that 13 year olds don't know condoms protect but that they're fed misinformation about effectiveness by the schools and consequently chose not to use the condoms. I have no evidence to send you on the VD rates of pledgers v. nonpledgers but I have heard it said on the okie news that the rates are almost identical.

I watched a documentary on the silver ring thing, (bunch of fascists let me tell you)

The kids there were told in lectures, that aids virus's could pass through condoms becuase it was made of fibers.

utter bollucks becuase if that were so NBC(nuclear biological chemical) suits woulnt work.

I don't know about fundamentalist christians, but judaism tells you to have as many kids as possible, thus castration is not allowed.
In Christianity, it's optional. And personally, I think that Jewish interpretation is wrong. God said, "Be fruitful and multiply." They just emphasize the multiply part more often. Living in an overpopulated country, without an agricultural economy, having tons of kids would be a burden, not a blessing.

Biblical times were different from now. Their economies were agriculturally-based, so tons of children would have been a benefit, as there's more people to tend the land. And there wasn't overpopulation, as there is now.

In other words, if you are multiplying, but not living fruitfully, then you're still only keeping half of the commandment.

That really depends on what you consider the goal. Now that the numbers are coming back, the research is showing that abstinence education has been very successful in increasing the age of first sexual intercourse, lowering the teen pregnancy rate, and slowing down the spread of VD among teenagers. However, it has lead to an increase in non-intercourse sexual activity (oral sex for example). If your goal was to slow down the spread of diseases and lower the teen pregnancy rate, abstinence only education has been wildly successful. If your goal was to stop teenagers from engaging in any sexual activity, then abstinence education has been a dismal failure.
Increased amounts of oral sex?

Hey, I take that back. I support abstinence education. I mean, it's ignorant, but if it'll increase the amount of women that give head, that's the price I'll have to pay.

Um er.... You don't miraculously grow a penis or vagina after marriage...
Yeah, it shrinks\wrinkles.

Actually, some women have defects or clinical conditions which may cause them to urinate from the vagina or even from both openings (vagina and urethra.) This can be caused by things as simple as infections and STDs if they complicate excessively.
I really wanted to know that!

im 4 r34l h0|\/|l3

And same is true if any of my kids were gay. Or maried a non-Jew.
I used to be fascinated with Judaism, but after I fell in love with a Pagan stripper who later dumped me, I lost interest.

But it's still interesting. Some of the beliefs people consider wacko, are the same things Christians believe, yet Jews tend to be significantly more educated in their religion, most most of their beliefs are more sensible, and even the ones that aren't, they have a fair amount of reasoning behind them.

However, if you're truly devout (and probably Orthodox), then wouldn't online forums (and the internet, in general) be a haven for lashon harah?

But anyway, for anyone who is trying to refrain from masturbation... Whenever you feel the urge, just remember:

Women have this between their legs!
http://www.costumesandprops.com/graphics/pred%20face%20up320x340.jpg

And if you're a girl:

Just imagine this guy naked!
http://interestingtimes.blogspot.com/ron-jeremy_030303.jpg

He is one of the (if not the #1) top male porn star of all time.

thx to teh, i was afraid of people posting porno and stuff. to bunnyducks, i have to ask, do u go to church? if u do, setting up an accountabillity thing with a friend or youth pastor helps ALOT. i must also suggest "Every Young Man's Struggle", a great book that tends to help alot. i haven't read it myself, but i've seen it's work. if u don't go to church, u should try it. other than that, the biggest help is prayer (i'll be praying for u). o, and even though u fail again and again, like us all, don't get duscouraged. my youth pastor took a whole year to quit, so ur not alone.
Here is some advice. Type out the full words and you have less time for struggling.
Besides, what does going to church have to do with it? Not all churches are sexually repressive.

Did you ever figure anything out? I mean, did any of our solutions help you to stop pulling taffy?

You started out as a sane person, but now you're just plain talking crazy. Ask your parents if they would disown you for having premarital sex or marrying a non Jew. I doubt they'd answer the same way.
No, they would condone me having premarital sex. Which I disagree with.

No, they would condone me having premarital sex. Which I disagree with.


You should go and see a therapist about your sex issues.

Doom777, We should hope that by the time you have kids, you are mature enough to love them.

No, they would condone me having premarital sex. Which I disagree with.
Right. Maybe people who are parents understand a little better what it means to be a parent? Disowning your children because they had sex or are gay pretty much means you going to be a very lonely person.

Stands to reason.

Disown your kids (or even threaten to, i'd assume)
=> wife divorces you
=> kids loathe you back
=> die miserable and alone.

Doom777, We should hope that by the time you have kids, you are mature enough to love them.
I will love them, and it will be very hard for me to disown them, but I'll do it nonetheless because loving G-d is more important than loving kids.

Stands to reason.

Disown your kids (or even threaten to, i'd assume)
=> wife divorces you
=> kids loathe you back
=> die miserable and alone.
maybe, but i'll still have done the right thing.

maybe, but i'll still have done the right thing.
if by "done the right thing" you mean "sacrificed the well-being of my wife and my children in order to satisfy my own ego."

Eat a normal diet, do not fast, fasting seems to make lust worse. Ever notice how people in totally famine stricken lands have HUGE numbers if children?
Actually, that's more likely due to a lack of female literacy.

When women realise they can do more than sit about squeezing out babies, they dont' squeeze out as many of them.

Plus such regions would also generally lack contraception (hell, you think your parents only had sex (insert the number of children in your family here) times? Chances are they spent a good while going at it like bunnies and yet you don't have 40 siblings.

I will love them, and it will be very hard for me to disown them, but I'll do it nonetheless because loving G-d is more important than loving kids.
Wow. What a loving parent you would make.

if by "done the right thing" you mean "sacrificed the well-being of my wife and my children in order to satisfy my own ego."
No, by doing the right thing, I mean following the rules given to us in the Torah.

I will love them, and it will be very hard for me to disown them, but I'll do it nonetheless because loving G-d is more important than loving kids.
Seems greedy to me. You're putting your need for the love of god before other people's need for your love. Somehow I think god would not be so forgiving of you if you abandoned your children. No matter what they did. Unconditional love implies that it can never be lost.

I will love them, and it will be very hard for me to disown them, but I'll do it nonetheless because loving G-d is more important than loving kids.


Like i said, hopefully (for your kids sake, and in mercy for your sake) you will be mature enough one day to understand these things.

Seems greedy to me. You're putting your need for the love of god before other people's need for your love. Somehow I think god would not be so forgiving of you if you abandoned your children. No matter what they did. Unconditional love implies that it can never be lost.
I am sure I won't get penalised too heavily for following the Torah, i.e. the book he has given us.

Seems greedy to me. You're putting your need for the love of god before other people's need for your love. Somehow I think god would not be so forgiving of you if you abandoned your children. No matter what they did. Unconditional love implies that it can never be lost.
So if a wife loves her husband, he can beat her, force her into prostitution, rape her, and she shouldn't do anything because 'Unconditional love implies that it can never be lost'?

I am sure I won't get penalised too heavily for following the Torah, i.e. the book he has given us.


You'll cease to exist just like the rest of us :)

You'll cease to exist just like the rest of us :)
Being that this thread is not about religion, i'll not respond to that.

Being that this thread is not about religion, i'll not respond to that.


Head-in-the-sand doesnt change anything :)

I'm JEWISH!!! WE KILLED JESUS!!!!111!1!
Why does everyone assume I'm christian.

Oh, and if MY kids had premarital sex, they would either marry that person, or else I would disown them.


That is just sad.

So if a wife loves her husband, he can beat her, force her into prostitution, rape her, and she shouldn't do anything because 'Unconditional love implies that it can never be lost'?
Husband and Wife isn't unconditional. Father and son/daughter should be. You can still hate your kids, and they can still hate you. But in the end you should love the unconditionally, even if you don't like them.

That is just sad.
Very much so.

Husband and Wife isn't unconditional. Father and son/daughter should be. You can still hate your kids, and they can still hate you. But in the end you should love the unconditionally, even if you don't like them.
So if a father rapes his daughter multiple times, and beats her, she should still love him?

So if a wife loves her husband, he can beat her, force her into prostitution, rape her, and she shouldn't do anything because 'Unconditional love implies that it can never be lost'?
No, she should have his ass thrown in jail or get him the help he needs (if it's the case that he needs psychaiatric care) that doesn't mean she disowns him necessarily. As well, marital love is different from parental love.

No, she should have his ass thrown in jail or get him the help he needs (if it's the case that he needs psychaiatric care) that doesn't mean she disowns him necessarily. As well, marital love is different from parental love.
read my post above.

so the father rapes his daughter multiple times and beats her she should still love him?
OK, they are getting at normal circumstances, that is far from normal so NO!!!!