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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=8054730
Pope John Paul II has a urinary tract infection that induced an extremely high fever. While he is responding to antibiotics, the damage may have been done. The Annointing of the Sick was administered to the Pope, which was the first time he ever recieved it since he was shot in 1981. Any thoughts?

And btw, say what you want about the Pope, but please, keep it from becoming silly. Otherwise, I'll have this thread locked.

Well, it was a long time in coming. I thought he was going to die a long time ago.

i am not a Catholic, and i have little respect for some of the actions of the Catholic church under the current Pope.....but the man is a human, and if he is going to die soon, i wish him a quick and painless death....which is what i would wish upon anybody

:(

I am saddened by the news that Pope John Paul II has gotten worse. I just pray that if it is his time to leave this earth - he has a painless and quick death. May GOD Bless him.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409131 :rolleyes:

I dislike duplicate threads almost as much as I dislike the pope and I, for one, do not extend my sympathy.

i am not a Catholic, and i have little respect for some of the actions of the Catholic church under the current Pope.....but the man is a human, and if he is going to die soon, i wish him a quick and painless death....which is what i would wish upon anybody

:(
Well, I guess that is better than many non-Catholics. Thank you.

Being a Catholic, I like this Pope. He did a lot to help end communism, expanded the church into Africa and Asia, revitalized it elsewhere, and was very generous. He wasn't perfect, but if he wasn't good, why would he be Pope?

I don't think he'll live another six months.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409131 :rolleyes:

I dislike duplicate threads almost as much as I dislike the pope and I, for one, do not extend my sympathy.
I know that this is a bit of a duplicate. I think that is a healthy aspect of debate.

I don't think he'll live another six months.
Hell, he might not make it through the night.

Althoe I disagry with most of what he dose I must admit I respect him, even in his early preasthood he foght ageanst the nazis in his home nation and showed he has carrictor all thrue out his pappusly.


I respect him and hope he passes soon.

Althoe I disagry with most of what he dose I must admit I respect him, even in his early preasthood he foght ageanst the nazis in his home nation and showed he has carrictor all thrue out his pappusly.


I respect him and hope he passes soon.
Thank you.

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May God make his death quick and painless, may God also give him rest in Heaven.

May God make his death quick and painless, may God also give him rest in Heaven.
Thank you.

I really wish he would resign and let the Church choose another Pope. No offense to the man, but he's clearly near death and is not able to fulfill his duties any more. For the good of the Church, he should resign and live the rest of his life without the burden on his shoulders of being the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.

That being said, I hope he lives the rest of his life painlessly and dies in peace.

While I have little respect for religious leaders, I sure hope that the next pope will be pro-gay marriage. :)

Thank you.

Your welcome, and I am Catholic too, so yea.

Well, all I can say:

He was a brave man who truly sought to do good in the world. He even forgave the man who tried to kill him! He has lived a rewarding life, and although I do not believe as he does, I respect him and wish him only the best.

I really wish he would resign and let the Church choose another Pope. No offense to the man, but he's clearly near death and is not able to fulfill his duties any more. For the good of the Church, he should resign and live the rest of his life without the burden on his shoulders of being the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.
A. He is in good mental health, and as far as most observers can tell, he is clearly at the head of the Catholic Church.
B. The Pope may authorize an interim pope to serve should he be ex communicato for a long time. We don't know if that is the case with this pope, but Pope John XXIV did authorize such a document just in case. However, we did not find out until after his death.

While I have little respect for religious leaders, I sure hope that the next pope will be pro-gay marriage. :)

Keep dreaming. :rolleyes:

Well, all I can say:

He was a brave man who truly sought to do good in the world. He even forgave the man who tried to kill him! He has lived a rewarding life, and although I do not believe as he does, I respect him and wish him only the best.
Again, thank you.

Keep dreaming. :rolleyes:
You're against it, aren't you? :(

Poor pope...

You're against it, aren't you? :(
I'm sorry, but this is turning into a silly degression. Should I have this thread locked?

You're against it, aren't you? :(

Personally I don't care, not pro gay marriage, not anti-gay marriage. I just don't really give a damn about the issue. But don't expect the Catholic Church to change its position just because it changed Popes.

Personally I don't care, not pro gay marriage, not anti-gay marriage. I just don't really give a damn about the issue. But don't expect the Catholic Church to change its position just because it changed Popes.
YOu're right about that... :/

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YOu're right about that... :/

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Good. I won't request this thread locked, then.

I have nil respect for the man. Though for his latest remarks, I think he should be kept alive as long as possible, Robo-Pope anyone?

Well, none of the American news networks are reporting little about the Pope. It is reported sporadically, but they all seem to be fixated on Terri Schaivo. It is as if Terri Schaivo were the only person that ever existed. But I digress.

While I have little respect for religious leaders, I sure hope that the next pope will be pro-gay marriage. :)
A little voice in the back of my head tells me that you might worry if the Dalai Lama had similar health.

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I really wish he would resign and let the Church choose another Pope. No offense to the man, but he's clearly near death and is not able to fulfill his duties any more. For the good of the Church, he should resign and live the rest of his life without the burden on his shoulders of being the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.

That being said, I hope he lives the rest of his life painlessly and dies in peace.

He can't. As far as I know, the only pope to leave the office alive was some probably truly horribly incompetent pope who was impeached and voted out of office several centuries back. Barring that, you're pope until you're dead. Not a nice prospect.

Well, I'm protestant and agnostic, but I can imagine what the man has to go through, and also what he means to those who believe. I hope that his end is painless and with dignity.

He can't. As far as I know, the only pope to leave the office alive was some probably truly horribly incompetent pope who was impeached and voted out of office several centuries back. Barring that, you're pope until you're dead. Not a nice prospect.

there was the hermit Pope guy back in the 14th century. he quit and went off to live in a cave.

and a Pope can be deposed, its happened before...thats how they solved the Schism

there was the hermit Pope guy back in the 14th century. he quit and went off to live in a cave.

and a Pope can be deposed, its happened before...thats how they solved the Schism
But then, the Papacy was as much of a political post as it was spiritual. He who controlled the Papal Throne controlled large chunks of Italy and influenced the rest of Europe. A few popes can even be said to have been the undisputed leaders of all of Europe.

But then, the Papacy was as much of a political post as it was spiritual. He who controlled the Papal Throne controlled large chunks of Italy and influenced the rest of Europe. A few popes can even be said to have been the undisputed leaders of all of Europe.
its probably still possible to resign as Pope

its probably still possible to resign as Pope
It is. But it is very rare. The last time it happened was sometime in the 1400s, and that was in shame. No one wants to carry on the legacy. Maybe they should call it retirement instead. Give him another title to mark that he was once a pope.

Hmm.....A sad day for the catholics, but a victory for the atheists ? , anyway....
Kinda ironic, since he is someone who preaced for God all these years, and now is about to see him, but unfortuantely, no one can substantiate that view...


RIP :)

According to CNN, reports of the Italian media are true that the Pope has just passed away.

I just heard the same.

:eek:
i'm not religious, but this is big news

and this better not be an april fools (link anyone?)

May his soul rest in peace.

And it teaches us that praying helps exactly Zilch :p

Hmm, makes my recent april fools joke seem a little tasteless.

Oh well.

source??

No-its not an April Fool's joke. Its being reported by everyone now.
May he rest in peace.

Fox News is also saying it
God Rest Pope John Paul II

Yahoo news is confirming this

BREAKING NEWS: POPE NOT DEAD YET

according to the bbc and cnn

I hope they get a third world pope to take his place. Maybe from sub-saharan Africa.

BREAKING NEWS: POPE NOT DEAD YET

according to the bbc and cnn


They are confirming his death through Vatican sources.. the pope is cofirmed to be unconcious.

Ok, apparently they have gone back on their earlier reports, it has not been independently confirmed. There are still reports of him shallowly breathing, but it is undoubted he is in his last day.

I may not be as religous as others here, but may the Pope John Paul II rest in peace before God, I hope he died peaceful and content.

May our next Pope be just as good,
The Silver Federation

Meh.

unless this is an april fool he hasnt according to the BBC

BBC and Reuters both currently saying hes not dead yet


Pope John Paul II's health has taken a turn for the worse, the Vatican said.

His breathing is shallow, his blood pressure is low and he is having difficulties with both his heart and his kidneys, a spokesman said.

Millions of Catholics around the world have been praying for the Pope, and a special Mass was being held for him as the latest news was announced.

Cardinals - who will elect a new pope - are arriving in Rome from all over the world, the Italian media have reported.

Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said on Friday evening that the Pope's overall condition had been "notably compromised".

But he added that the Pope was visibly participating in prayers around his sickbed.

The Pope's condition deteriorated on Thursday after he developed a urinary tract infection that later brought on "septic shock and a cardio-circulatory collapse".

He was given the Catholic sacrament for the sick and dying - called the Anointing of the Sick.

But the Pope decided not to return to Rome's Gemelli hospital.

He was being treated in his apartment by a team of four top consultants and his private doctor Renato Buzzonetti.

No body here has said hes dead... The opposite actually.

I may not be as religous as others here, but may the Pope John Paul II rest in peace before God, I hope he died peaceful and content.

May our next Pope be just as good,
The Silver Federation


I concur-well spoken.

Yahoo news has not yet confirmed this...They have an article about his failing health and an article that says that he is ready to die b/c he will not return to the hospital. But as of right now no confirmation.

According to CNN Reuters got their info from the Italians.

OMG!!! the pope died????!!! *collapes* my whole life is over!!!! *breaks out in tears and runs away*

oh never mind... cnn says he's clinging to life. Any ideas who the new pope will be?

Hope it's not a twisted April Fools joke. And suddenly bounce back full health tomorrow.

Wait a second... Hope it's a April fools Joke. We don't want him dead do we?

this is not a very nice thread to go trolling in

Hey, this means Robbie Coltrane has a real shot at becoming Pope now!

:D

Damn! :( I was already beginning to feel happy!
It would be the best if we just got rid of all those religious wackos!
Religious people are put in a mental hospital in my country. That should tell something about my perspective to all those religions.
You are the one who sould be sent to a mental hospital! Do you think it's normal to celebrate a man who's done nothing against you's death?

April Fools

April Fools

I already did this.

TV says he's dead. Turn on Fox, if you don't believe me. :rolleyes:

My thoughts on the dead guy:

Shit. Christian sympathy. We're gonna be faith-based for a bit, here--hold on, everybody.

Oops, guess we're all busted. Trying to help it along--too late. :p

Yahoo news has not yet confirmed this...They have an article about his failing health and an article that says that he is ready to die b/c he will not return to the hospital. But as of right now no confirmation.

Refresh it, the top headline says Pope reportedly Dead.

Oh... Fox it must be right... No news channels I've seen say it

O Father, we now pray for your servant, Pope John Paul II who has faithfully and tirelessly proclaimed in word and deed the Good News of Jesus Christ. As he enters the "autumn" of his wonderful service, Lord, hold Him close to your heart; heal and comfort him, let Him know your deep, intimate presence as He continues to pour himself out for you and, in your Son, for the sake of the world.

well I don't see why they wouldn't confirm it right away.

Refresh it, the top headline says Pope reportedly Dead.

When I posted it wasn't confirmed...I'll check now.

You are the one who sould be sent to a mental hospital! Do you think it's normal to celebrate a man who's done nothing against you's death?
Just think of it. We are nothing but problem waste. The animals in the forest are every way higher beings when compared to us. It's never wrong to celebrate someone's death.

Well According to MSNBC, and CNN. He isn't dead yet. I just checked websites. And I have been watching CBS. I'm sure they would have a special report by now. He is in bad shape, but I haven't heard death.

And if the person who started this thread really did here this from a news source, boy is somebody gonna get suied.

Why is Fox saying that he is dead, when he obviousy isn't. Unless the BBC and Yahoo are holding back. The BBC even keeps on watching the Vatican saying that he's still alive

I won't believe it until the BBC reports it.

Yahoo still has no confirmation...I'm trying to get onto the actual Vatican site but it's loading really slow and I'm on a T1 line. Alot of people trying to see what the deal is I guess.

This is from the Yahoo front page...

Condition worsens; News agency recants on report of Pope's death.

CNN says that the vatican denies the passing of the pope.

Went to Reuters website. They say. Italian News People. RAI made a mistake. They contridicted themselves and our now changing their story. The pope is not dead. Sorry for the alarm.

Thats probably because he isn't dead. What a horrible thing for Fox to get the news wrong on.

The Vatican just said he's not dead. No hope, but he's not gone, yet.

He's Not dead..i got links open to CNN,Sky,FOX, and all the BBC news channles..he's critical but he's not dead yet.

I hope they get a third world pope to take his place. Maybe from sub-saharan Africa.

I don't. The last time I saw a report on the matter, the only "eligible" African Bishop is more hardcore conservative than Ronald Reagan, Jack Chick and Maggie Thatcher combined.

But then again, all his followers are rumoured to be, so who cares. My bet is Kardinal Ratzinger.

Fran

Wow, alot of famous deaths going on right now. Johnnie Cochrain, Terri The Pope and the Iraq WMD intel.

someone must have said he was dead almost an hour ago; yahoo, fox, and nbc all said he was dead, then quickly changed back when they realized they were wrong

Wow, alot of famous deaths going on right now. Johnnie Cochrain, Terri The Pope and the Iraq WMD intel.
and Prince Rainier is going to kick the bucket any time soon

I don't. The last time I saw a report on the matter, the only "eligible" African Bishop is more hardcore conservative than Ronald Reagan, Jack Chick and Maggie Thatcher combined.

But then again, all his followers are rumoured to be, so who cares. My bet is Kardinal Ratzinger.

Fran
Personally I think that's what the catholic church needs. Sort the wheat from the chaff. Drive the liberal catholics to other religions. Let's face it, there's plenty of catholics who just don't feel the need to actually follow the rules of catholicism. Best to get rid of those.

someone must have said he was dead almost an hour ago; yahoo, fox, and nbc all said he was dead, then quickly changed back when they realized they were wrong
local Italian news was saying a while back that his heart had stopped and that there was no brain activity, but the Vatican denied it

http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=124769

.... though I've no doubt it will be soon.

Would it be possible to merge all the pope threads?

I give him a few weeks at best... but I'm morbid

I'm not Catholic or even Christian, but I'll pray for him. I hope he dies peacefully, poor guy. I mean; he's... 84, is it? That's a long time to live, and he's been sick for a while now.

Personally I think that's what the catholic church needs. Sort the wheat from the chaff. Drive the liberal catholics to other religions. Let's face it, there's plenty of catholics who just don't feel the need to actually follow the rules of catholicism. Best to get rid of those.
I agree, I know I dont agree with alot of things the pope says, but if you are Catholic, you are commiting yourself to the belief that he speaks for God. If you believe he speaks for God, you gotta do as he asks. There are plenty of other faiths for those who dont want to behave according to the Pope's laws

Well, I'm not Catholic, but he was a good man. I mean, Catholicism has its flaws, but John Paul II was a pretty good guy in my book.

Even if many arent Catholic or even Christian, he should be looked at as one who assisted the fall of Communism in Europe, he also even spoke out against the Sudan, and Rwanda Genocides before the US got involved. He is the most traveled Pope in history, and has seen the most of the world out of all the Popes. The Pope was good man in my book. He may not have the same beliefs concerning same-sex marriage, or abortion, but still, the accomplishments he has done in his life surpass the majority of us here. May he Rest in Peace when the time comes

According to CNN, reports of the Italian media are true that the Pope has just passed away.

Wrong!

From the Vatican: Pope Not Dead!

At least, not yet.

He won't survive this day in the Eastern US!

May God rest his soul. He was a great man!

Just checked CNN.com...still living.

He doesn't want to go on the cart!

This is from the Yahoo front page...

Condition worsens; News agency recants on report of Pope's death.

Looks like the evidence they used was faulty. The poor man has septic shock though, and the likelyhood of him living more than 2 days is 10-20%

Who cares?

Who cares?

My Grandfather, My aunts and uncles on my dad's side of the family. My ex-gf and her family.

Every catholic basically.

Who cares?

Everyone should. The Pope is someone who wields quite a lot of power, so who occupies the position effects a lot of people.

Im not even catholic and I care.

Im not even catholic and I care.

I'm not either and I also care.

Oh and I forgot my half-sister and her family in my litany.

May the Lord bless his soul and to comfort the people.

In the name of the father, the son, the mother.... oh no.... err.... the..... daughter?..... no?...... OH OH! I know.... The holy spirit

Amen (http://img183.exs.cx/img183/1913/pope7kl.jpg)

I would ask that all of you, even those of you who do not believe in Christianity, and more specifically Catholicism, to pray for Pope John Paul II. He's in his last hours and he needs our prayers.

Please don't turn this into a flame thread.

Looks like the evidence they used was faulty. The poor man has septic shock though, and the likelyhood of him living more than 2 days is 10-20%
I doubt there was evidence.

Legless Pirate, stop with the humor.

Do it in another thread.

I doubt there was evidence.

He means info Seosavists.

I won't pray (I don't pray), but I am thinking about him.

Raised a Catholic, now I don't know what I am.

Legless Pirate, stop with the humor.

Do it in another thread.
He's not dead :rolleyes:

My prayers wouldn't do much good for you.

But I do hope the Pope passes peacefully.

Raised a Catholic, now I don't know what I am.
Same here.

Must pay an awful lot of respect to John Paul II, though, I believe his mistakes are by far outnumbered by his efforts towards peace between different cultures.

He's not dead :rolleyes:

We know he isn't. It won't be long now however.

We know he isn't. It won't be long now however.
As long as he isn't I see no reason not to make a little and harmless joke

He's not dead :rolleyes:
still if you want to joke around don't do it in a serious thread.

The pope is by definition a papist, I'm a protestant and a calvinist, his death is no loss to this world.

The Pope has lost consciousness! :(

Meh.
Come on, I know he was a conservative Catholic but he was a great man as well. Even I as a libertarian atheist can appreciate that!

The pope is by definition a papist, I'm a protestant and a calvinist, his death is no loss to this world.

And I'm methodist whats your point?

This is a time for the Christian Community to come together and mourn the passing of a great man.

Man ... it's like Arafat ...

I'm not dead!
Here, he says he's not dead.
Well he soon will be.
I can't take him like that.

It ain't over 'till they close the door.

I am praying, and have been for many days. I am Catholic, and i also pray that the college of bishops elects a worthy new pope when the time comes, as it soon is coming.

I've gone to each of the pacific's and the RR, and proposed a a stop to recruiting/spaming until the UN-update, so far people are respecting it.

And I'm methodist whats your point?

This is a time for the Christian Community to come together and mourn the passing of a great man.


You don't know much about calvinism do you? The pope is not a great man, he is a mouthpiece for whoever happens to be telling him what to say today. He is barely able to function, he WAS a great man in his youth, now he is nothing more than a shell.

I've gone to each of the pacific's and the RR, and proposed a a stop to recruiting/spaming until the UN-update, so far people are respecting it.

:confused:

Don't you have the wrong thread?

You don't know much about calvinism do you? The pope is not a great man, he is a mouthpiece for whoever happens to be telling him what to say today. He is barely able to function, he WAS a great man in his youth, now he is nothing more than a shell.

Its still a time for the Christian Community to come together.

You sir, are acting in a nonchristian manner.

I am not Catholic however, I respect the pope and what he means to those that do believe in Catholicism.

Even when his health was deterioting he was still doing all he can for people of this planet.

um he's not dead yet

:confused:

Don't you have the wrong thread?
he mean's in respect for the pope I think.

Its still a time for the Christian Community to come together.

You sir, are acting in a nonchristian manner.

I am not Catholic however, I respect the pope and what he means to those that do believe in Catholicism.

Even when his health was deterioting he was still doing all he can for people of this planet.


I am acting according to my beliefs, my beliefs say the pope is not your friend. When the pope dies that is no skin off my nose. Were he other than he is I would most likely mourn his passing, as it is I find that I cannot.

The Pope is not dead yet!

I am acting according to my beliefs, my beliefs say the pope is not your friend. When the pope dies that is no skin off my nose. Were he other than he is I would most likely mourn his passing, as it is I find that I cannot.

Then leave!

The Pope is not dead yet!
We know. Appearantly some of the 24 hour news channels got it wrong.

No. I will speak my mind. The pope is not doing much for the world, other than limiting birth control, making pointless declarations, and serving as a focal point for the center of a near cult. I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this and I can back it up.

he mean's in respect for the pope I think.

yeah, sorry i was in a hurry.

No. I will speak my mind. The pope is not doing much for the world, other than limiting birth control, making pointless declarations, and serving as a focal point for the center of a near cult. I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this and I can back it up.

Just like I can back it up that he has done good in the world. Facts mean nothing when both sides are armed.

Name one "pointless" declaration.

He is the center of the CATHOLIC RELIGION, which is a CHRISTIAN FAITH!!!! I'm methodist, a Christian Faith as well and its taking all of my energy not to flame.

No. I will speak my mind. The pope is not doing much for the world, other than limiting birth control, making pointless declarations, and serving as a focal point for the center of a near cult. I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this and I can back it up.

Yeah ... you and Jack Chick.

God I hate Calvinists. Thank Allah for Methodism.

Why are you even in this thread? Why don't you just make a "Bash the Pope" thread instead? Stop being an attention whore and go watch your kiddie porn.

I would like to remind people that there is a ban on recruiting/spaming until the UN-update, so for the Pope please respect this.

and i don't want everyone thinking i'm an extreme catholic, i haven't gone to chruch in over 4 months (personal problems) and I respect all other religions, also i'm just doing this because the Pope is a great man.
So please just no recruiting/spaming until the UN-update.

This is my message.

No. I will speak my mind. The pope is not doing much for the world, other than limiting birth control, making pointless declarations, and serving as a focal point for the center of a near cult. I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this and I can back it up.

It's a religion. Take it or leave it.

I am a protestant (CofE) but this is equally sad news to me as it is to any Catholic.

No. I will speak my mind. The pope is not doing much for the world, other than limiting birth control, making pointless declarations, and serving as a focal point for the center of a near cult. I know I'm gonna get jumped on for this and I can back it up.


Darn right you'll be jumped on for this, there is a time and place for everything and I in some ways agree with your point of view but please have at least some respect for a man who honestly believes he is doing what is right and has done many great things for our world. The manis dying thats not the right time to be airing your petty grievences and complaints.

Just like I can back it up that he has done good in the world. Facts mean nothing when both sides are armed.

Name one "pointless" declaration.

He is the center of the CATHOLIC RELIGION, which is a CHRISTIAN FAITH!!!! I'm methodist, a Christian Faith as well and its taking all of my energy not to flame.


The catholics are not truly christian, they place more emphasis on intercession from preists than they do on a personal relationship with God, they're almost as bad as mormons and jehovas witnesses.

Yeah ... you and Jack Chick.

God I hate Calvinists. Thank Allah for Methodism.

Why are you even in this thread? Why don't you just make a "Bash the Pope" thread instead? Stop being an attention whore and go watch your kiddie porn.

Amen.

Darn right you'll be jumped on for this, there is a time and place for everything and I in some ways agree with your point of view but please have at least some respect for a man who honestly believes he is doing what is right and has done many great things for our world. The manis dying thats not the right time to be airing your petty grievences and complaints.


I respect the man not the pope, there is a difference.

The catholics are not truly christian, they place more emphasis on intercession from preists than they do on a personal relationship with God, they're almost as bad as mormons and jehovas witnesses.

Prove that they are not true Christians. Be advised that your about to insult my father (former Catholic), His father and his siblings, my ex-gf and her family, and my half-sister and her family.

According to CNN, reports of the Italian media are true that the Pope has just passed away.


May he be with his god.

Actually, according to BBC, CBC, and CNN, he's still alive. Barely, but still alive.

I respect the man not the pope, there is a difference.


If you truly respected him then you wouldn't be celebrating his death. Any life lost but specificly the life of a strong religeous leader, should be mourned. Not celebrated.

May he be with his god.
he's still alive for now, they where mistaken.

Yeah ... you and Jack Chick.

God I hate Calvinists. Thank Allah for Methodism.

Why are you even in this thread? Why don't you just make a "Bash the Pope" thread instead? Stop being an attention whore and go watch your kiddie porn.


Jack chick is not a calvinist you dumbass he is a fundamentalist, calvinism is not fundamentalism. As for kiddie porn I think I'll just hang you by a razor wire if you even suggest that I have anything to do with pedophelia ever again. :D Clear?

If you truly respected him then you wouldn't be celebrating his death. Any life lost but specificly the life of a strong religeous leader, should be mourned. Not celebrated.

Amen to that Cognative

I hope they get a third world pope to take his place. Maybe from sub-saharan Africa.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
GOD, THATS HILARIOUS! oh, wait...youre serious...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
GOD, THATS HILARIOUS! oh, wait...youre serious...

Its a possibility.

Heck, an American could be the next Pope but I don't think that'll happen.

Actually, according to BBC, CBC, and CNN, he's still alive. Barely, but still alive.
Fox News is saying that too. He'll be dead by tonight though

Fox News is saying that too. He'll be dead by tonight though

3-1 odds the next announcement from them is that he is dead.

Prove that they are not true Christians. Be advised that your about to insult my father (former Catholic), His father and his siblings, my ex-gf and her family, and my half-sister and her family.

And my Aunt and Uncle, whats your point? Any way, they are a cult because the do not follow the biblical acceptance of christ as your savior but the ritual of confirmation. They also do not believe in a personal and I mean truly personal relationship with God, all interactions go through the priest. The priest has the ability to absolve sin, but that power lies with God and The Holy Spirit, not a mortal of any denomination.

And my Aunt and Uncle, whats your point? Any way, they are a cult because the do not follow the biblical acceptance of christ as your savior but the ritual of confirmation. They also do not believe in a personal and I mean truly personal relationship with God, all interactions go through the priest. The priest has the ability to absolve sin, but that power lies with God and The Holy Spirit, not a mortal of any denomination.

Prove it!

This is my message.

This is mine, kiss my ass.

given my opinion of the Pope, i think the most appropriate thing i can say is: may he be sent to his God to receive his eternal justice.

This is mine, kiss my ass.


Could you PLEASE drop the stupidity, I'll start a new thread for you if you wnat to argue the Christianity of the Catholic church, but please just keep it out of here, this isn't the place for trolling.

Fox News is saying that too. He'll be dead by tonight though

He could linger, you know. I hope he doesn't - he has suffered enough.

Jack chick is not a calvinist you dumbass he is a fundamentalist, calvinism is not fundamentalism. As for kiddie porn I think I'll just hang you by a razor wire if you even suggest that I have anything to do with pedophelia ever again. :D Clear?

Don't worry about that ... I'm not one of the Elect. :p

He could linger, you know. I hope he doesn't - he has suffered enough.

He isn't suffering right now.

Prove it!


1. There is no way to the father but through me, all men fall short of the glory of God.

2. Same as number 1

3. Same as 1 and 2 plus the Priest is not God, the pope is not God, the bishop, cardinal, and various other ranks in the church are not God, God is the only one who can absolve sin, it's part of being God. They may have declared papal infallability but thats obviously wrong, since he is mortal and therefore is born in sin and not perfect, to be infallible would require perfection.

He's still alive, but apparently 'touching the Lord'. I think he'll go any minute now...

Could you PLEASE drop the stupidity, I'll start a new thread for you if you wnat to argue the Christianity of the Catholic church, but please just keep it out of here, this isn't the place for trolling.

Sorry about that one, but I will not be dictated to by anyone, and that's what he did, by saying there was to be no spamming, etc. he dictated that I should be quite, that is something that I will not allow.

1. There is no way to the father but through me, all men fall short of the glory of God.

Correct. Even I had to accept Jesus Christ as Savior of man.

2. Same as number 1

Same reply

3. Same as 1 and 2 plus the Priest is not God, the pope is not God, the bishop, cardinal, and various other ranks in the church are not God, God is the only one who can absolve sin, it's part of being God. They may have declared papal infallability but thats obviously wrong, since he is mortal and therefore is born in sin and not perfect, to be infallible would require perfection.

I have not heard one person state that the pope wasn't infallible, not in my family nor in my ex-gf's family. I have grown up around catholicism and I haven't heard anyone state that the Pope wasn't Infallible.

The catholics are not truly christian, they place more emphasis on intercession from preists than they do on a personal relationship with God, they're almost as bad as mormons and jehovas witnesses.

Exactly how are Catholics not truly Christian, Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church you know?

1. There is no way to the father but through me, all men fall short of the glory of God.

2. Same as number 1

3. Same as 1 and 2 plus the Priest is not God, the pope is not God, the bishop, cardinal, and various other ranks in the church are not God, God is the only one who can absolve sin, it's part of being God. They may have declared papal infallability but thats obviously wrong, since he is mortal and therefore is born in sin and not perfect, to be infallible would require perfection.



Hammer, I agree with you on most of these things but who are you to decide who is of His fold? God chooses who he wishes to save and if ou make attempts to try to usserp this authority, you will suffer His concequences.

p.s. 'you' is not refering directly to mr. Hammer, rather it is a basic overview of all who fall under this rule i.e. everyone

I want to say it was in the latter 17th century the church declared papal infallability, but I'm not positive about the century, it may have been the 16th or 18th.

According to CNN and MSN, he's still alive but his breathing is shallow.

I can't say I didn't see it coming.

Exactly how are Catholics not truly Christian, Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church you know?


beware of false facts Cottonmouth, the church that was created by christ when he asked peter to tend his flock was the early christian church, Catholicism brewed out of that.

1. There is no way to the father but through me, all men fall short of the glory of God.

2. Same as number 1

3. Same as 1 and 2 plus the Priest is not God, the pope is not God, the bishop, cardinal, and various other ranks in the church are not God, God is the only one who can absolve sin, it's part of being God. They may have declared papal infallability but thats obviously wrong, since he is mortal and therefore is born in sin and not perfect, to be infallible would require perfection.
They never claim to be God, they want to deliever Gods message.

Exactly how are Catholics not truly Christian, Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church you know?


No a roman founded catholicism. Christ founded christianity, big, big, big, big, BIG difference.

I want to say it was in the latter 17th century the church declared papal infallability, but I'm not positive about the century, it may have been the 16th or 18th.

Everyone knows the Pope is just as infallible as any human being.

The Vatican will make an announcement shortly. I suspect he's dead.

The Vatican will make an announcement shortly. I suspect he's dead/

I suspect this as well. :'(

The Vatican will make an announcement shortly. I suspect he's dead.
I heard the opposite, they won't make a statement till tommorrow, but we'll know he's dead if the light goes off in (I forget where).

Yeah ... you and Jack Chick.

God I hate Calvinists. Thank Allah for Methodism.

Why are you even in this thread? Why don't you just make a "Bash the Pope" thread instead? Stop being an attention whore and go watch your kiddie porn.


He gives you a true statement and you accuse him of being a pedophile... That in't very christian of you..

I heard the opposite, they won't make a statement till tommorrow, but we'll know he's dead if the light goes off in (I forget where).

The Papal Apartment! As well as a ringing of bells.

Sorry about that one, but I will not be dictated to by anyone, and that's what he did, by saying there was to be no spamming, etc. he dictated that I should be quite, that is something that I will not allow.
I strongly suggest you go read the rules of the forums you greed upon by posting here. No flaming, spamming, etc. is allowed. Your right to say anything you want is limited here and you agreed to it by posting.

So, I'd suggest to put your ego in your back pocket, look over your posts to see if his criticism is warranted and act according to the rules and etiquete of the forum. If you find that you did nothing wrong, then kindly ignore criticism and don't let it degenerate in a deletable offense.

I heard the opposite, they won't make a statement till tommorrow, but we'll know he's dead if the light goes off in (I forget where).

What channel are you watching? I'm watching Television New Zealand News, not sure where they are getting their information...

I strongly suggest you go read the rules of the forums you greed upon by posting here. No flaming, spamming, etc. is allowed. Your right to say anything you want is limited here and you agreed to it by posting.

So, I'd suggest to put your ego in your back pocket, look over your posts to see if his criticism is warranted and act according to the rules and etiquete of the forum. If you find that you did nothing wrong, then kindly ignore criticism and don't let it degenerate in a deletable offense.


There is no right for any regular member of this site to be telling other regular members to stop posting. He was not flaming, only missplacing his post. No reason to tell him to go away.

I'm hearing any moment now.

As for tomorrow, is that tomorrow our time or theirs? It is close to 1130 At night at the Vatican!

I bet they are waiting till midnight their time to announce it.

What channel are you watching? I'm watching Television New Zealand News, not sure where they are getting their information...
BBC news

They never claim to be God, they want to deliever Gods message.

But their actions make them de-facto gods, by making others commune with the priest you prevent a truly personal relationship with God. The essence of calvinism is that you and God can have direct interaction without priestly intercession. Also, by removing the public profession of faith and replacing it with the confirmation they remove one of Christs requisites for being saved, paraphrased it goes something like this: you must profess your faith before men or it shall be as though you had not done so.

LOL
and you thought the NS april fool's joke was good!

The pope is as fit as in his goal keeping days. He never was ill!

given my opinion of the Pope, i think the most appropriate thing i can say is: may he be sent to his God to receive his eternal justice.


You are wise.

Even the Muslims are offering up prayers for the ailing Pontiff.

From the Clerics to anti-western Demonstrators.

BBC news

TVNZ is getting their stuff from BBC also... odd. Do you keep getting shots of the Vatican with annoying and repetitive voiceovers?

There is no right for any regular member of this site to be telling other regular members to stop posting. He was not flaming, only missplacing his post. No reason to tell him to go away.
Begging your forgiveness but I didn't read the original exchange. I just read the comment I quoted and let it be know that the "you can't stop me! I can say anything I bloody well want!" attitude is not true when it comes to forums. I even made it clear to think about it and look at what he posted. I never said he was wrong or anything of the sort.

Also, it has been established that the poster who starts a thread has the right to ask people not to post in his thread. It has been a longstanding tradition. So, regular member have a right to say to others not to post in certain circumstances.

Besides, I strongly believe in moderating ourselves without having to go to the mods for every offense, so if poster tell you "Dude, stop flamming" you might want to consider looking over your previous posts to see if you didn't went too far. It's not a right so much as a suggestion.

I strongly suggest you go read the rules of the forums you greed upon by posting here. No flaming, spamming, etc. is allowed. Your right to say anything you want is limited here and you agreed to it by posting.

So, I'd suggest to put your ego in your back pocket, look over your posts to see if his criticism is warranted and act according to the rules and etiquete of the forum. If you find that you did nothing wrong, then kindly ignore criticism and don't let it degenerate in a deletable offense.


He has no right to tell anyone wether or not they can post, as such he was out of line. My response was also out of line. I am not flaming, I am expressing an opposing viewpoint, if that is flaming then this board serves no purpose.

He has no right to tell anyone wether or not they can post, as such he was out of line. My response was also out of line. I am not flaming, I am expressing an opposing viewpoint, if that is flaming then this board serves no purpose.
Then consider my post to be a statement that disagree with your assertion that nobody can tell you what to post or not. We have mods for that very specific purpose.

Sorry if I seemed harsh.

But their actions make them de-facto gods, by making others commune with the priest you prevent a truly personal relationship with God.
I don't agree

The essence of calvinism is that you and God can have direct interaction without priestly intercession. That's fine got nothing wrong with it. I have nothing wrong with you being indifferent, you just don't have to go around announceing it.
Also, by removing the public profession of faith and replacing it with the confirmation they remove one of Christs requisites for being saved, paraphrased it goes something like this: you must profess your faith before men or it shall be as though you had not done so.
It doesn't stop you from professing your faith openly.

Then consider my post to be a statement that disagree with your assertion that nobody can tell you what to post or not. We have mods for that very specific purpose.

Sorry if I seemed harsh.

He was not a mod and lacked authority, that was my only point. It's okay about the harsh thing too, it happens.

I said that we SHOULD stop spaming/recruiting until the UN update, not that you HAVE to, and yes I can't tell you what to do, but please like another member said, "Put your ego in your pocket", everyone else (barring about 4 people) has agreed to give a day of no spam.

Remember this is for the POPE not the religion.

just to let u know that catholocism is NOT the only representation of christianity in FACT god actually warns christians in the bible of seperatism and religion ( sorry folks this is addressed to the guy that said close the catholic church down!!!!!) ( it states that religion is when man takes spirituality and adds his own slant and customs that have nothing to do with pure teachings of Jesus) i know this sounds odd and far fetched but thats cos we are all brainwashed by organised man made religion like the pharisees and sajicess ( is that how u spell it) of the bible were and Jesus told them they were totally wrong...... and no im not a nutter its just that christianity was meant to be one thing and mankind turned it into a farce........

that said i am sorry for the popes passing but no more than i would be of any other man that had tried to live a spiritual life according to his beliefs....

the christian message is NOT being upheld properly, with men and women fighting about what is right and wrong and using the popes death to do it.

anyway just thought i would have a small rant.....


you cant find the truth about christianity unless u read the bible... you wont get it from catholocism, church of scotland or any other denomination that has man made laws and rules.... the only place u will find it is in churches that are truly directed by the bible and THATS IT......


sigh sorry about that folks




so please all stop arguing :(

He gives you a true statement and you accuse him of being a pedophile... That in't very christian of you..
Keru is Muslim..

I don't agree
That's fine got nothing wrong with it. I have nothing wrong with you being indifferent, you just don't have to go around announceing it.

It doesn't stop you from professing your faith openly.


I believe that in the interest of peace we will have to agree that neither will ever convince the other, as such I will no longer attempt to prove my beliefs, if you do not demonize me for them.

I said that we SHOULD stop spaming/recruiting until the UN update, not that you HAVE to, and yes I can't tell you what to do, but please like another member said, "Put your ego in your pocket", everyone else (barring about 4 people) has agreed to give a day of no spam.

Remember this is for the POPE not the religion.


I have not agreed, your actions do not affect mine, so be quiet and take yourself elsewhere, as I will shortly be doing to prevent further conflict.

<snip>
so please all stop arguing :(
You do know that post is most likely only going to create more arguement.

I believe that in the interest of peace we will have to agree that neither will ever convince the other, as such I will no longer attempt to prove my beliefs, if you do not demonize me for them.
Agreed.

I have not agreed, your actions do not affect mine, so be quiet and take yourself elsewhere, as I will shortly be doing to prevent further conflict.

You can't tell him what to do just like he or I can't tell you what to do.

Now your acting like a hypocrit. You complained when someone told you to be quiet then you turn around and tell him to be quiet.

Practice what you preach.

Damn! :( I was already beginning to feel happy!
It would be the best if we just got rid of all those religious wackos!
Religious people are put in a mental hospital in my country. That should tell something about my perspective to all those religions.
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--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Rest In Peace....


And I hope that even those who are not part of the Church and perhaps have negative feelings toward it can remain respectful of the fact that a human is dying...

I am, this is good-bye.

He gives you a true statement and you accuse him of being a pedophile... That in't very christian of you..

Good thing I'm not Christian, then!

May he go peacefully, despite being a severe extremist as pope.

His death is projected within the next 24-36 hours...I hope he doesn't die. He's cool, so old and crippled and yet he still can talk and control one-sixth of the world.

I'm a Catholic Christian. You know, in between a Christian and Catholic. I know that if the Pope dies he will find peace in Heaven.

His Holiness John Paul II

Short Biography

[Updated: 25.02.2005]


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Karol Józef Wojtyła , known as John Paul II since his October 1978 election to the papacy, was born in Wadowice, a small city 50 kilometres from Cracow, on May 18, 1920. He was the second of two sons born to Karol Wojtyła and Emilia Kaczorowska. His mother died in 1929. His eldest brother Edmund, a doctor, died in 1932 and his father, a non-commissioned army officer died in 1941.
He made his First Holy Communion at age 9 and was confirmed at 18. Upon graduation from Marcin Wadowita high school in Wadowice, he enrolled in Cracow's Jagiellonian University in 1938 and in a school for drama.

The Nazi occupation forces closed the university in 1939 and young Karol had to work in a quarry (1940-1944) and then in the Solvay chemical factory to earn his living and to avoid being deported to Germany.

In 1942, aware of his call to the priesthood, he began courses in the clandestine seminary of Cracow, run by Cardinal Adam Stefan Sapieha, archbishop of Cracow. At the same time, Karol Wojtyła was one of the pioneers of the "Rhapsodic Theatre," also clandestine.

After the Second World War, he continued his studies in the major seminary of Cracow, once it had re-opened, and in the faculty of theology of the Jagiellonian University, until his priestly ordination in Cracow on November 1, 1946.

Soon after, Cardinal Sapieha sent him to Rome where he worked under the guidance of the French Dominican, Garrigou-Lagrange. He finished his doctorate in theology in 1948 with a thesis on the topic of faith in the works of St. John of the Cross. At that time, during his vacations, he exercised his pastoral ministry among the Polish immigrants of France, Belgium and Holland.

In 1948 he returned to Poland and was vicar of various parishes in Cracow as well as chaplain for the university students until 1951, when he took up again his studies on philosophy and theology. In 1953 he defended a thesis on "evaluation of the possibility of founding a Catholic ethic on the ethical system of Max Scheler" at Lublin Catholic University. Later he became professor of moral theology and social ethics in the major seminary of Cracow and in the Faculty of Theology of Lublin.

On July 4, 1958, he was appointed Auxiliary Bishop of Cracow by Pope Pius XII, and was consecrated September 28, 1958, in Wawel Cathedral, Cracow, by Archbishop Baziak.

On January 13, 1964, he was nominated Archbishop of Cracow by Pope Paul VI, who made him a cardinal June 26, 1967.

Besides taking part in Vatican Council II with an important contribution to the elaboration of the Constitution Gaudium et spes, Cardinal Wojtyła participated in all the assemblies of the Synod of Bishops.

Since the start of his Pontificate on October 16, 1978, Pope John Paul II has completed 104 pastoral visits outside of Italy and 146 within Italy . As Bishop of Rome he has visited 317 of the 333 parishes .

His principal documents include 14 encyclicals , 15 apostolic exhortations , 11 apostolic constitutions and 45 apostolic letters. The Pope has also published five books : "Crossing the Threshold of Hope" (October 1994); "Gift and Mystery: On the 50th Anniversary of My Priestly Ordination" (November 1996); "Roman Triptych - Meditations", a book of poems (March 2003); "Rise, Let Us Be On Our Way" (May 2004) and "Memory and Identity" (pubblication spring 2005).

John Paul II has presided at 147 beatification ceremonies ( 1,338 Blesseds proclaimed ) and 51 canonization ceremonies ( 482 Saints ) during his pontificate. He has held 9 consistories in which he created 231 (+ 1 in pectore) cardinals . He has also convened six plenary meetings of the College of Cardinals .

From 1978 to today the Holy Father has presided at 15 Synods of Bishops : six ordinary (1980, 1983, 1987, 1990, 1994, 2001), one extraordinary (1985) and eight special (1980, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998[2] and 1999).

No other Pope has encountered so many individuals like John Paul II: to date, more than 17,600,000 pilgrims have participated in the General Audiences held on Wednesdays (more than 1,160). Such figure is without counting all other special audiences and religious ceremonies held [more than 8 million pilgrims during the Great Jubilee of the Year 2000 alone] and the millions of faithful met during pastoral visits made in Italy and throughout the world. It must also be remembered the numerous government personalities encountered during 38 official visits and in the 738 audiences and meetings held with Heads of State , and even the 246 audiences and meetings with Prime Ministers .
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From me-

Pope John Paul II has been one of the greatest Popes of all time and one of the world's greatest figures. He was the force behind the fall of communism, and he demonstrated the loving forgiveness of Christ himself not only when he forgave his would-be assasin, but when he has traveled the world, speaking out against the evils of poverty, war, abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, murder, secularization, perversion, genocide, ect. He has stood firm in his defense of the Catholic Church and her people, yet has also opened arms to Jews (apologizing for past crimes against them), Muslims, and Protestants, in an effort to unite us all under the Lord God. He has protected sacred tradition and scripture from liberalism/secularization, refusing to give in to heretical ideals like tolerating infanticide (abortion), homosexuality, and a new priesthood. He puts his faith in Jesus Christ the Lord, not political correctness. He has made the Catholic Church the biggest donater to charity in the entire world. He helped the Vatican II council and has punished self-proclaimed "traditionalists" who deny the validity of that council. He has made bold and brave statements, standing up for the children when other countries have allowed them to be massacred in the womb. When we lose Pope John Paul II the world will have not only lost the Vicar of Christ, but an exteremely great man who will be remembered as a hero for all of time to come.

PJPII is a hero and the representitive of God on earth. May he continue to spread the word if the Lord!

Commando3']PJPII is a hero and the representitive of God on earth. May he continue to spread the word if the Lord!
Hmmm, he is not, he is only a hero for uninformed or really right wing extremists, don't forget all the African aids deads or the centrists that stand against the South American dictatures and were killed by those regimes that this Reaganesque Adolf pope supported. Popie Jopie was no hero, surely not for the poor that only saw and felt a enemy with him, only uninformed people or extreme right subjects see a hero in him.

One of the worst popes ever for the third world and centrist catholics.
One of the best for Pinochet, Reagan, Mobutu, the killers of Romero, and other extremists.

God give us a more humble and a pope of the people now!

Hmmm, he is not, he is only a hero for uninformed or really right wing extremists, don't forget all the African aids deads or the centrists that stand against the South American dictatures and were killed by those regimes that this Reaganesque Adolf pope supported. Popie Jopie was no hero, surely not for the poor that only saw and felt a enemy with him, only uninformed people or extreme right subjects see a hero in him.

One of the worst popes ever for the third world and centrist catholics.
One of the best for Pinochet, Reagan, Mobutu, the killers of Romero, and other extremists.

God give us a more humble and a pope of the people now!

The pope is a hero you liberal heretic. He stands by the babies, disabled, faithful, and poor while the secular world abandons them and leaves them to the wrath of Satan.

May he go peacefully, despite being a severe extremist as pope.
Can't agree more.

How is he now? Anyone know more specifics on his status...? Poor man. He has suffered so much, and done so good. He deserves to rest with the Lord.

Enough with the inflaming.

I don't care if you agreed with him or not. However, show some respect for a dying man for God's sake.

This isn't a time for politics. This is a time to come together to mourn the passing of the Pope.

We as Christians need to put aside our religious backgrounds and come together as one.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims are praying for a peaceful passage of this man.

May he go with God and may he go Peacefully.

In the name of the Lord,

Amen.

How is he now? Anyone know more specifics on his status...? Poor man. He has suffered so much, and done so good. He deserves to rest with the Lord.

Still clinging to life but worsening

Pope Condition Worsens (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152147,00.html)

But their actions make them de-facto gods, by making others commune with the priest you prevent a truly personal relationship with God. The essence of calvinism is that you and God can have direct interaction without priestly intercession. Also, by removing the public profession of faith and replacing it with the confirmation they remove one of Christs requisites for being saved, paraphrased it goes something like this: you must profess your faith before men or it shall be as though you had not done so.

Calvinism? hahahah the denomination with the heretical, unbiblical belief of predestination.

Commando3']Calvinism? hahahah the denomination with the heretical, unbiblical belief of predestination.

Commando3,

Please try and not bash other religions please. There's been enough of that for one day here.

The catholics are not truly christian, they place more emphasis on intercession from preists than they do on a personal relationship with God, they're almost as bad as mormons and jehovas witnesses.

Calvinists are not truly Christian, as they blatently go against Catholic teaching, and the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ upo St. Peter the Rock. God has given us the 7 sacraments, and there are biblical statements supporting every Catholic practice. Jesus himself established confession, by giving the Pope (Peter) and priests (disciples) to forgive sins. However Calvinism is a bunch of un-biblical heresy made by a fanatic named John Calvin who enjoyed burning people alive and whose religion murdered innocent Catholics all over Europe.

Commando3,

Please try and not bash other religions please. There's been enough of that for one day here.

I'm sick of Calvinists preaching their heresy and hate.

I got really ticked off by that early morning false alarm. The media went crazy screaming "The Pope is dead!", sending me into sorrow, and then they take it all back. It's like some sick april fool's joke.

While I have little respect for religious leaders, I sure hope that the next pope will be pro-gay marriage. :)

The Catholic Church will never pervert and stain the sacrament of marriage for a bunch of perverted sodomites.

Commando3']I'm sick of Calvinists preaching their heresy and hate.

I don't care! It really is inappropriate and he isn't coming back to respond. And it is a good way to start a religious war here on the forums and that we don't need.

Commando3']The pope is a hero you liberal heretic. He stands by the babies, disabled, faithful, and poor while the secular world abandons them and leaves them to the wrath of Satan.

Sorry, ego te absolvum, I am in the church, you are not!
So it is my right to say that you are a extremist fascist heretic. Vade retro satanas and go back to your banned friends in hell: Adolf, Pinochet aso..

VADE RETRO SATANAS!
You extremist thug and enemy of the common people!

I got really ticked off by that early morning false alarm. The media went crazy screaming "The Pope is dead!", sending me into sorrow, and then they take it all back. It's like some sick april fool's joke.

Considering I missed the early reports, I can agree with you.

Sorry, ego te absolvum, I am in the church, you are not!
So it is my right to say that you are a extremist fascist heretic. Vade retro satanas and go back to your banned friends in hell: Adolf, Pinochet aso..

VADE RETRO SATANAS!
You extremist thug and enemy of the common people!

Via, please stop flaming.

Sorry, ego te absolvum, I am in the church, you are not!
So it is my right to say that you are a extremist fascist heretic. Vade retro satanas and go back to your banned friends in hell: Adolf, Pinochet aso..

VADE RETRO SATANAS!
You extremist thug and enemy of the common people!

coughliberalcough

Via, please stop flaming.

Who are you to decide that my response towards that ridiculous joke was flaiming. I could say the same (if I wanted to from your posts). BTW, you like to be a MOD but you aren't one.
Corneliu, that extremist guy is a joke and my post towards that Adolf or freak is appreciated by informed people, (thought you were one.. :) )

Via, please stop flaming.
Yeah Via, knock it off!

Who are you to decide that my response towards that ridiculous joke was flaiming. I could say the same (if I wanted to from your posts). BTW, you like to be a MOD but you aren't one.
Corneliu, that extremist guy is a joke and my post towards that Adolf or freak is appreciated by informed people, (thought you were one.. :) )

I'm not an extremist, I have morals unlike you lust-driven secular liberal scum.

Who are you to decide that my response towards that ridiculous joke was flaiming. I could say the same (if I wanted to from your posts). BTW, you like to be a MOD but you aren't one.
Corneliu, that extremist guy is a joke and my post towards that Adolf or freak is appreciated by informed people, (thought you were one.. :) )

I may not be a mod but I do know the rules regarding flaming and that was flaming.

I may not be a mod but I do know the rules regarding flaming and that was flaming.

Tell me about it.

Commando3']I'm not an extremist, I have morals unlike you lust-driven secular liberal scum.

Commando, knock off the flaming as well.

Its people like you that give us conservatives a bad name.

Yeah Via, knock it off!
Please Commando3 and Super-power, stop flaiming and spamming the thread. You guys are really hijacking the thread with extremisme. Let the people have their say without your flaiming please. If not this will have to go to the moderation forum.

Cheers.

Please Commando3 and Super-power, stop flaiming and spamming the thread. You guys are really hijacking the thread with extremisme. Let the people have their say without your flaiming please. If not this will have to go to the moderation forum.

Cheers.

We are here to honor the Vicar of Christ not bash him heretic.

Commando, knock off the flaming as well.

Its people like you that give us conservatives a bad name.

Sorry if you feel that way, however you have to fight fire with fire.

First of all, the liberal cracks are offensive..you CAN be a liberal (or democrat..I prefer that title) and be in the christian church so thats very inappropriate. Second, let's not turn the topic into a flame war..third, lets stay on topic and keep your comments to yourself...if you dont like the Pope, fine. But keep it to yourself..go start another topic about it if you want to rant about him.. Im not a huge fan of him either but I respect the guy and I respect his life and work so it is a rather sad thing to see him die. Im Protestant but I still feel sad for other christians in the Catholic belief.

Commando3']Sorry if you feel that way, however you have to fight fire with fire.

No you don't.

Please Commando3 and Super-power, stop flaiming and spamming the thread. You guys are really hijacking the thread with extremisme. Let the people have their say without your flaiming please. If not this will have to go to the moderation forum.

Cheers.

Commando3 was flaming but Super-Power was not.

First of all, the liberal cracks are offensive..you CAN be a liberal (or democrat..I prefer that title) and be in the christian church so thats very inappropriate.

Well, its not that simple anymore. You can certainly be a democrat and be a part of the Christian church, although you will be a minority by far thanks to the hijacking of the democratic party by liberal and leftist idealology.

To be a proud member of the liberal movement, it is bad form to proclaim yourself as a Christian since there is a core conflict of interest with sensitive issues such as abortion, gay marriage, creationism vs. evolution, etc.

ok Im anti-gay marriage..and pro-life..people give democrats the liberal title..However, I am a christian democrat and not because of those issues am I a democrat. I agree with their economic and political ideals for the most part. And creationism and evolution really isnt a political battle except for the whole courthouse thing..I agree with seperation of church and state but no one's arguing between creationism and evolution trying to figure out which is true..

in the government I mean..

When I read the title of this thread it wasn't "Come Praise The All Mighty Pope!" so as far as I can tell people can say whatever they want.

Personally, I have enough respect for a dieing man not to kick him while he's down, but just because you're offended by what these people are saying doesn't mean they can't say it. This is a public forum.

On a final note, just because someone is a liberal, democrat, etc. doesn't mean they have no morals, a point that's lost on most conservatives. Key word there is most, not all, most, I have met some very well educated conservatives.

Thank you very much Silent Truth for the ending of your post there. It is true it is a public forum and you can say whatever you want but people should have the decency to not bash someone who seems to mean a lot to people on the board. They can say it..Im just saying its kind of poor taste.

Commando3']The Catholic Church will never pervert and stain the sacrament of marriage for a bunch of perverted sodomites.

We are here to honor the Vicar of Christ not bash him heretic.
[NS]Commando3, you've lost at least two nations for flaming and trolling. You're about to lose another one.

If you had stopped writing before the portions I bolded, this conversation would be fine. By adding personal insults and flamebait to the mix, you stepped over the line of acceptable behavior. You've had multiple threads locked for this, and I tire of having to be the policeman here.

Sorry if you feel that way, however you have to fight fire with fire.
Not here you don't. Around here we fight fire with water. Go cool off for a week. You're forumbanned.

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Next time somebody wants to start a flamefest here, just report them to moderation and let us deal with it, please. We don't want to see remembrance threads trashed any more than the rest of you.

Who cares? He is JUST a man, right? I don't recall the bible ever mentioning a "Pope" , in fact if there is a god, you can almost bet that the Catholics have it wrong, because the pope to me falls under "worshiping false idols" Whoever said the Pope was gods rep on earth? Other men? That don't cut the mustard by any means. I do think the man, was a good man and I hope he doesn't suffer and dies soon, so that he doesn't suffer. But lets face it, if there is a god, the Catholics are wrong.

Verry strange, in post 230, Via Ferrata talks to Corneliu and in post 232, N ational S ocialist (if that is not fascist) Commando3 talks back :eek: . Busted? Same person, puppet :confused: .

My opinion as a protestant, get a Cardinal Daneels and forget the "Panzerkardinal" Ratzinger. A decent figure between the extreme right and center conservatisme can bring the Catholic churc somewhat back to their faithfull and the poor. Persons like him or others can help the world to forget what was done in South America and other regions, remember Romereo aso.and other deep links between extreme right goverments and the Vatican.


BTW, for Corneliu, I allways find it strange when you say that people flame when they use the terms: "fascist" (Franco, Mussolini adn the Allianza Nationale wich is part of the government in Italy and has as frontwomen Alessandra Mussolini, a die hard fan of GW. Bush) or use the term Nazi (a regime, awfull and bad but linked to your own presidents family and a lot of South American dictators sponsored by the US in the 70ies till early 90ies). I never saw you acting the same when a extremist accuses other people for beiing a communist or "liberal".

You have a double standard, if people like Via and many others here are accused by you and other rightwingers for flaiming because they use the terms "fascist" .A movement wich is still a very friendly and powerfull, now pro Israel, pro US republican and anti Arab- party in Eastern and Western EU towards the US and also in the US itself by local extremist republicans. Same goes when those guys use the term "Nazi", I never see you or other right wing extremists condemning the opposite of spectre: communists. When people call one a fascist or nazi, the rightwingers that have a lot in common with those species (the "extremist" I mean) never point out other rightwing extremist like superpower or NS Commando and many others when they accuse centrists people or centre left people for being "communist", for me a regime that is as bad as Nazisme.

A double standard, when you say that a person is flaiming when he points out the fascist intentions or worse, nazi intentions, you have to do so when extremist point people by "communist".

Never saw you doing that.
Well, I am not often on NS but my eye fell on that before. I wish you all a good debate. :) and I really hope that NS becomes somewhat more centre, even late PINOCHETwould feel at home here now, a counterballance and debate is needed more then ever.

Verry strange, in post 230, Via Ferrata talks to Corneliu and in post 232, N ational S ocialist (if that is not fascist) Commando3 talks back :eek: . Busted? Same person, puppet :confused: .

Don't know! I doubt it.

My opinion as a protestant, get a Cardinal Daneels and forget the "Panzerkardinal" Ratzinger. A decent figure between the extreme right and center conservatisme can bring the Catholic churc somewhat back to their faithfull and the poor. Persons like him or others can help the world to forget what was done in South America and other regions, remember Romereo aso.and other deep links between extreme right goverments and the Vatican.

We'll see who the Conclave elect as the new Pope.

BTW, for Corneliu, I allways find it strange when you say that people flame when they use the terms: "fascist" or use the term Nazi.I never saw you acting the same when a extremist accuses other people for beiing a communist or "liberal".

Maybe I've gotten wiser as to the flames that have been spouting. Passions are running high and I don't want things to spiral out of control. Alot of times the throwing of commi or liberal that occur is in friendly jousting. I've seen it used in friendly context. However in this case, it wasn't and it really was flaming. That is why I said something. Normally I let it go when I know an arguement isn't going to spiral out of control but here it would have because of the religious aspect of this.

You have a double standard, if people like Via and many others here are accused by you and other rightwingers for flaiming because they use the terms "fascist" .A movement wich is still a very friendly and powerfull, now pro Israel, pro US republican and anti Arab- party in Eastern and Western EU towards the US and also in the US itself by local extremist republicans. Same goes when those guys use the term "Nazi", I never see you or other right wing extremists condemning the opposite of spectre: communists. When people call one a fascist or nazi, the rightwingers that have a lot in common with those species (the "extremist" I mean) never point out other rightwing extremist like superpower or NS Commando and many others when they accuse centrists people or centre left people for being "communist", for me a regime that is as bad as Nazisme.

It was more than the word Fascist actually. I advise you to read all posts before making an assumption such as that. Also, I am not a right wing extremist. I like to know where you pulled that one from :confused: I have never been a right wing extremist nor will I ever be. I have condemned Communism. I've stated it on these boards when it was appropriate to do so. When NS Commando3 flamed, I called him on it as well. I guess you missed my that goes for you too Commando3 post. Don't make assumptions about me.

A double standard, when you say that a person is flaiming when he points out the fascist intentions or worse, nazi intentions, you have to do so when extremist point people by "communist".

Never saw you doing that.

:confused:

Well, I am not often on NS but my eye fell on that before. I wish you all a good debate. :) and I really hope that NS becomes somewhat more centre, even late PINOCHETwould feel at home here now, a counterballance and debate is needed more then ever.

Counterbalance is always needed in debate. However, trashing someone for a different viewpoint isn't counterbalance. That happens alot on these forums.