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Which do you preffer?

Microsoft all the way, Macs suck ass.

Macintosh.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation

Which country do you like better: the U.S. or the United States?

Microsoft all the way, Macs suck ass.
Prove it.

neither

Microsoft all the way, Macs suck ass.
I hate Microsoft. IT's crap top to bottom.

macintosh, yep. Proud owner of 4

Macs are way better, as soon as I move out, I'm getting a Mac.

There are no known virii for Macs, and they're not bloated, buggy or made by a monopolistic monolith of a company.

Mac! Mac! Mac!
Hee hee. I sleep with my ibook. :p

How is Microsoft beating Mac? That's impossible.

Anybody who likes Macs should just give up and use Linux. It's free, and you get more flexibility with your choice of hardware.

Anybody who likes Macs should just give up and use Linux. It's free, and you get more flexibility with your choice of hardware.
Linux is good, but macs are better.

How is Microsoft beating Mac? That's impossible.

Probably because Macs do infact suck.

Macs are way better, as soon as I move out, I'm getting a Mac.

There are no known virii for Macs, and they're not bloated, buggy or made by a monopolistic monolith of a company.


there was one a few months back... i forgot all about it though.. just remember that there was one.


the only reason there aren't many, is because there is not a big enough of a market share for a mac virus to even matter.

Linux is good, but macs are better.
They're not $3,000 better.

Prove it.

simple.. microsoft is supported by more hardware.. you can build your own computer to your specs and still use microsoft OP... besides the fact that basic PC hardware is cheaper then apples hardware, and there is more software avalible from Microsoft...

sure there are no virius for mac.. not because its not vonerable to a viral attack, but because Microsoft owns 90% of the industry... no one wastes their time with mac.

maybe when apple brings down its prices and makes its hardware more standarized so I can build my own computer and still use an Apple OS, and when they release more sofware ill consider it... they only thing they got going for them is the niffty tech look

I'm having flashbacks of the last election.
Hmmmmm, which is the lesser of two evils?
I'll go with MS, and feel dirty.

Probably because Macs do infact suck.
Actually, Macs are faster, and more reliable than Microsoft.

There are hardly any Mac viruses. mac computer look cool, too.

Actually, Macs are faster, and more reliable than Microsoft.

There are hardly any Mac viruses. mac computer look cool, too.

They're also alot more expensive, have crappy hardware and barely any software worth bothering with.

Apple makes better hardware, and thats not an opinion, it's a fact.

Linux is to geeky.

Windows sucks to bad.

OSX is just right!

Apple makes better hardware,

Shame there's no software to run on this wonderous hardware eh?

They're also alot more expensive, have crappy hardware and barely any software worth bothering with.
Hardware is not crappy. I've had the Mac I'm on now for about 6 months. never crashed, never failed me.

My microsoft one, simply died on me when I tried to open Internet Explorer.

Well, considering I'm currently typing on an eMac G4, and that it hasn't given me any real problems...I'd have to say that Macs are better. They just seem to run smoother, run better, and have fewer glitches. Something I find hard to say for Microsoft hardware I've used.

(Hugs eMac)

Macs are alot better looking too!

When you look at a computer, you need to think how sleek, and sexy it is (Mac OS X G5), not how huge, pointy and bulky it is (Microsoft hardware)!

There are no known virii for Macs,

Actually that is not true.

There are about 40 known.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

Apple makes better hardware, and thats not an opinion, it's a fact.

*coughs* the cube *coughs*

Actually that is not true.

There are about 40 known.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
Bt what are teh chances of tem hitting you?

Bt what are teh chances of tem hitting you?

It's not a statement of whose better. Just correcting the statement of no known....

Shame there's no software to run on this wonderous hardware eh?
Funny you should say that.

A G5 is the fastest computer you can buy, it's faster than both the Intel Pentium 4 EE and the AMD FX 55.

OSX is also a UNIX based Operating system making it more stable and faster than windows or linux.

The cube is almost 5 years old now. The G5 is the worlds fastest home processor.

ANd an OSX system can run windows programs with Vitrual PC, and any linux program.

There is no Microsoft hardware - aside from keyboards, maybe, so you can't really say that Mac hardware is better than Microsoft hardware.

Anyway, I have no problems at all with my Windows rig, nor did I have them under Linux. At least none that weren't due to user error. In 90% of cases the problem sits in front of the PC.

Granted, MS is "teh ebil", but I don't think Apple is much better. Especially not after that whole "iPod's dirty secret"-story. Secondly, I absolutely hate not to be able to choose my hardware effectively.
Also, aside from Photoshop and a few other programs, there really isn't anything interesting for the Mac.

But as soon as the whole TCPA-stuff is implemented, we're all doomed, anyway.

Fran

OSX is also a UNIX based Operating system making it more stable and faster than windows or linux.
Come again?

Funny you should say that.

A G5 is the fastest computer you can buy, it's faster than both the Intel Pentium 4 EE and the AMD FX 55.

OSX is also a UNIX based Operating system making it more stable and faster than windows or linux.

The cube is almost 5 years old now. The G5 is the worlds fastest home processor.

ANd an OSX system can run windows programs with Vitrual PC, and any linux program.
I own a G5...Best thing that's ever happened to me.

G5, my baby (http://www.hubblemac.com/analysis/visuals/G5-main.jpg)

I voted for Mac.

Even though I use Windows Me at home (ughhh) and Windows 2000 at school. My last school had some Macs, and they never never never crashed.

Though, I might try for Linux.

OSX is also a UNIX based Operating system making it more stable and faster than windows or linux.

I think OSX is the biggest reason that I still run a Mac OS instead of Linux. It's just as good as linux, but is has all the polish of a commercial OS. Have you ever used the software tools that are FREE? I don't see MS giving away MS Basic.

Mac all the way.

You guys here about Jobs getting another $1 salary? You don't see Gates do that, he just goes and gets knighted.

Mac all the way.

You guys here about Jobs getting another $1 salary? You don't see Gates do that, he just goes and gets knighted.
lol

To the one who asked, yes OSX Panther is based on a modified UNIX Kernal.

I have a G5, I wub it!

Funny you should say that.

A G5 is the fastest computer you can buy, it's faster than both the Intel Pentium 4 EE and the AMD FX 55.

OSX is also a UNIX based Operating system making it more stable and faster than windows or linux.

The cube is almost 5 years old now. The G5 is the worlds fastest home processor.

ANd an OSX system can run windows programs with Vitrual PC, and any linux program.

The point of the cube comment is that they don't always make better hardware.

I haven't looked at OSX. In our industry there are next to no Macs. ( It's EDA if you know what that is.)

Many companies tossed the Macs and haven't let them back(where I live). They have a tiny foot print at best.

They aren't going to make a major hit as they are also the most expensive now. For the cost of 1 G5 I can get 2-3 High Powered Dells. May not be as fast but it still gets work done. But again in our industry I don't know of any Macs doing Chip design. Not saying there aren't. Just haven't heard of them. Our customers haven't asked for Mac solutions either.....

The point of the cube comment is that they don't always make better hardware.

I haven't looked at OSX. In our industry there are next to no Macs. ( It's EDA if you know what that is.)

Many companies tossed the Macs and haven't let them back(where I live). They have a tiny foot print at best.

They aren't going to make a major hit as they are also the most expensive now. For the cost of 1 G5 I can get 2-3 High Powered Dells. May not be as fast but it still gets work done. But again in our industry I don't know of any Macs doing Chip design. Not saying there aren't. Just haven't heard of them. Our customers haven't asked for Mac solutions either.....
What's your industry in?

To the one who asked, yes OSX Panther is based on a modified UNIX Kernal.
That's not my objection. The objection is to your claim that this magically makes it faster and more stable than Linux.

I haven't used Macs enough to really prefer one or the other, but I'd take a Windows computer for compatability reasons. I'm writing this in Fedora Core 3 from a computer that also has XP.
made by a monopolistic monolith of a company.Didn't Macs miss out on getting the monopoly because they wanted a monopoly on their hardware? I could be wrong, but I think that's what I read...

neither

The man has sense

I own a G5...Best thing that's ever happened to me.

G5, my baby (http://www.hubblemac.com/analysis/visuals/G5-main.jpg)
Isn't the case on that computer just great? The variable speed fan, the serial ATA drives...It is easily the best designed computer enclosure, ever. Except maybe the oil-filled Crays.

Didn't Macs miss out on getting the monopoly because they wanted a monopoly on their hardware? I could be wrong, but I think that's what I read...
Yes. The same thing happened to them as to Betamax.

Macs all the way. I personally own a Macintosh eMac G4. One of the BEST self-contained units in the world.

They look cool, they are sooooo easy to use, and they have much better graphic designing and music lab capabilities than Windows. Also, they have much much better icons on the desktop and other places.

The downside is that there isn't as much software. But, you must remember, it is the software makers that are behind, not the Macs.

I would like to invite you all to the region 0 Apple and Macintosh Users (yes that's a zero.) I am the founder (my nation is The eMac) and we are growing and love to talk about Macs. Hey, we even have a couple of Windows and Linux users.

The Titanian Democracy of Aornia

What's your industry in?

Electronic Design Architecture

Our company make Synthesis software.....

Isn't the case on that computer just great? The variable speed fan, the serial ATA drives...It is easily the best designed computer enclosure, ever. Except maybe the oil-filled Crays.
It is awesome. I'm staring at mine right now. It's a beauty.

Yes. The same thing happened to them as to Betamax.Okay, thanks.
t's a beauty.Funny, I was thinking the opposite...:D

That's not my objection. The objection is to your claim that this magically makes it faster and more stable than Linux.
Because I have a Linux machine, and a G5, and OSX is faster and it is more stable.

Microsoft all the way, Macs suck ass.

I'd rather suck ass than have it stuck up my ass by microsoft.

I'd rather suck ass than have it stuck up my ass by microsoft.
Damn straight.

The point of the cube comment is that they don't always make better hardware.

I haven't looked at OSX. In our industry there are next to no Macs. ( It's EDA if you know what that is.)

Many companies tossed the Macs and haven't let them back(where I live). They have a tiny foot print at best.

They aren't going to make a major hit as they are also the most expensive now. For the cost of 1 G5 I can get 2-3 High Powered Dells. May not be as fast but it still gets work done. But again in our industry I don't know of any Macs doing Chip design. Not saying there aren't. Just haven't heard of them. Our customers haven't asked for Mac solutions either.....
Apple uses PPC based chips made by IBM.

Dell? Dells are pure shit, if you want a proper computer, you should build your own, or save up and buy a mac.

there was one a few months back... i forgot all about it though.. just remember that there was one.


the only reason there aren't many, is because there is not a big enough of a market share for a mac virus to even matter.

That virus was made redundant by a pretty quick secuirity patch. And the real reason the mac doesn't get virus writers excited is that it isn't as annoying to use as a pc.

Apple uses PPC based chips made by IBM.

Yes. Mac branched off from Microsoft, to make better computers.

Dell? Dells are pure shit, if you want a proper computer, you should build your own, or save up and buy a mac.
Amen!!!!

Dell? Dells are pure shit, if you want a proper computer, you should build your own, or save up and buy a mac.

Depends on the model you buy. We are one of the largest Precession customers and the run great. We also have a rule to leave the OS as vanilla as possible. Blue screens are very rare.

Macs don't work in this industry. Our customers don't have them so why should we?

Macs don't work in this industry. Our customers don't have them so why should we?

Because they are good computers

Or get a job and get a mac.

Or get a job and get a mac.
The best way to do it.

Because I have a Linux machine, and a G5, and OSX is faster and it is more stable.
And you've narrowed down the list of causes to "OSX is based on a UNIX kernel."

I'm sure the hardware is identical on those two computers. I'm also certain that you've optimized your Linux installation (e.g. using reiser4 FS, tmpfs, disabling services, etc.).

A couple years ago, I had a Windows machine that was better than any Mac you can buy today. How? I had my own choice of hardware: multiple processors, SCSI RAID, multiple monitors, etc. Does this mean that Windows is a better OS than Mac? Nope. It's completely unrelated.

Yes. Mac branched off from Microsoft, to make better computers.

Whoa! Apple and MS were never combined. Jobs and Wozniak built the Apple in 197? and started into production. I'll assume they used a Motorola 6800 or something in it. The Lisa was "adapted" from a Xerox prototype around 79/80 maybe. The Macintosh was introduced in 1984. Remember the Superbowl ad?

Apple engineers have always been smart enough to stay away from Intel processors. Motorola processors have always been superior, both in computational and physical characteristics. You will never see the giant heatsinks and heatsink fans on PPC processors. In fact, the 68000 series didn't need to be heatsinked at all.

Depends on the model you buy. We are one of the largest Precession customers and the run great. We also have a rule to leave the OS as vanilla as possible. Blue screens are very rare.

Macs don't work in this industry. Our customers don't have them so why should we?
Computers are just tools. What industry are you in?

Whoa! Apple and MS were never combined. Jobs and Wozniak built the Apple in 197? and started into production. I'll assume they used a Motorola 6800 or something in it. The Lisa was "adapted" from a Xerox prototype around 79/80 maybe. The Macintosh was introduced in 1984. Remember the Superbowl ad?

Apple engineers have always been smart enough to stay away from Intel processors. Motorola processors have always been superior, both in computational and physical characteristics. You will never see the giant heatsinks and heatsink fans on PPC processors. In fact, the 68000 series didn't need to be heatsinked at all.
I'm postitive they had some connection. I could be wrong though.

simple.. microsoft is supported by more hardware.. you can build your own computer to your specs and still use microsoft OP... besides the fact that basic PC hardware is cheaper then apples hardware, and there is more software avalible from Microsoft...

sure there are no virius for mac.. not because its not vonerable to a viral attack, but because Microsoft owns 90% of the industry... no one wastes their time with mac.

maybe when apple brings down its prices and makes its hardware more standarized so I can build my own computer and still use an Apple OS, and when they release more sofware ill consider it... they only thing they got going for them is the niffty tech look

Sure, you can use any cheap and crappy hardware in a PC, but it won't have the same quality gaurantee.
There is more software available with Windows, about 10 000 viruses more.
So Peter Jackson, the film director of Lord of the Rings and King Kong is no one? Maybe Steriogram are nobodies?

If you want a cheap mac, get the mini mac, all you need is a keyboard, mouse and monitor and $500 US (I assume you're just another dumb american from the way you're complaining.)
Building your own computer is usually going to cost more time than the money you save, but the hardware has used computer industry standard parts for the best part of a decade.

If you don't care about the Gui, you can get the FreeBSD base (Darwin) for PCs for free download.

Sure, you can use any cheap and crappy hardware in a PC, but it won't have the same quality gaurantee.
There is more software available with Windows, about 10 000 viruses more.
So Peter Jackson, the film director of Lord of the Rings and King Kong is no one? Maybe Steriogram are nobodies?

If you want a cheap mac, get the mini mac, all you need is a keyboard, mouse and monitor and $500 US (I assume you're just another dumb american from the way you're complaining.)
Building your own computer is usually going to cost more time than the money you save, but the hardware has used computer industry standard parts for the best part of a decade.

If you don't care about the Gui, you can get the FreeBSD base (Darwin) for PCs for free download.

The Mac Minis aren't very giid compared to their other products.

Anyone seen "The Incredibles"? All animation was done with a mac.

Sure, you can use any cheap and crappy hardware in a PC, but it won't have the same quality gaurantee.
There is more software available with Windows, about 10 000 viruses more.
So Peter Jackson, the film director of Lord of the Rings and King Kong is no one? Maybe Steriogram are nobodies?

If you want a cheap mac, get the mini mac, all you need is a keyboard, mouse and monitor and $500 US (I assume you're just another dumb american from the way you're complaining.)
Building your own computer is usually going to cost more time than the money you save, but the hardware has used computer industry standard parts for the best part of a decade.

If you don't care about the Gui, you can get the FreeBSD base (Darwin) for PCs for free download.

What the hell is Steriogram?

Apple and Microsoft both want to dominate everything you buy and use.

Open source is the future, and the only way toget freedom.

Plus it's moslty free.

Apple and Microsoft both want to dominate everything you buy and use.

Open source is the future, and the only way toget freedom.

Plus it's moslty free.
You must be enlightened.

Because they are good computers

You see it's catch-22.

In order to use the computer the customer has to have them. The customer would use them if the software existed for them.

They may be great computers but the fact there is no demand in our industry to write software for them. When you have to debug a problem you have to run the system as close to the customers as possible. If we had Macs runing virtual PC and didn't see the bug the user did.

I tried to defend Mac eliminations in my last job. Apple could'nt help so my rep took a hit as the macs aged and started failing more. I remember talking somebody into an appleshare server. Called up got a PPC, apple said the latest appleshare would run on it. It didn't. No fix offered.

I ended up leading the effort to eliminate the Macintoshes.

If a company spent the money to eliminate macs, it will be awhile before they will consider returning them.

We only have one and it's for the marketing department.

I'm postitive they had some connection. I could be wrong though.
They had a connection in the mid-80s to develop a GUI, but then MS made it's Windows thing and dropped Apple. Then Apple sued MS over the "look and feel" thing.

They had a connection in the mid-80s to develop a GUI, but then MS made it's Windows thing and dropped Apple. Then Apple sued MS over the "look and feel" thing.
Oh. Cool, thanks.

Or get a job and get a mac.

If you are aiming that at me. I am employeed. Over 600 PCs, Linux, and Unix.....

Whoa! Apple and MS were never combined. Jobs and Wozniak built the Apple in 197? and started into production. I'll assume they used a Motorola 6800 or something in it. The Lisa was "adapted" from a Xerox prototype around 79/80 maybe. The Macintosh was introduced in 1984. Remember the Superbowl ad?


The Apple I and II CPU was the MOS Technologies 6502, the same one featured in the C-64.

The Lisa came out in 1982 and it was hideously expensive. That's why they went back to the design board and came out with the Mac in 1984.

But the best computer series ever actually appeared in 1985 in the sleek form of the Amiga 1000. Everybody knows that the history of personal computing reached its peak in 1992 with the introduction of the Amiga 1200 and 4000.

Computers are just tools. What industry are you in?

Software. For Electronic Design Architecture(EDA). Our packages are SUN(HP is vanishing), Linux, and PC based. No demand for Macintosh.....

No demand for Macintosh.....
That's a pity

Macs rule!! Windows suck!

Macs rule!! Windows suck!
Amen, man!!!!

Macs rule!! Windows suck!

or, more accurately

Macs suck, Windows sucks!

or, more accurately

Macs suck, Windows sucks!
I'll have to disagree, but ok.

I'll have to disagree, but ok.

hell, if you want to be manipulated by a company that sues bloggers for finding out about upcoming products, go for it.

I prefer freedom.

I edit video footage, for that the mac is the best. That and I don't like dicking around with the minutia on my computer, updating this piece of hardware, coding this bit-I need to get to work so I want a computer that will work the way I need it to when I turn it on. If I want to game, I have a PS2 because when I want to play a game I want to be able to press "On" and have the damn game start. I'll leave the tweaking to others...

Macs might have good features, but that doesn't change the fact that 95% of the software that's been manufactured over the past twenty years has been manufactured for Microsoft systems. Also, macs cost about $500 more for what you're getting. If you just want the bug freeness, go with Linux, but it has the same problem: no software.

Then again, if you are into video or photo editing macs work a lot better for that.

hell, if you want to be manipulated by a company that sues bloggers for finding out about upcoming products, go for it.

I prefer freedom.

Trade secrets are just that. Being a blogger doesn't mean you get to dispense any and all information just because you receive it. Especially when it's illegal.

Trade secrets are just that. Being a blogger doesn't mean you get to dispense any and all information just because you receive it. Especially when it's illegal.

it's all about freedom.

Open source software,
open access publishing

it's the way of the future

Microsoft.
The species known as the 'mac gamer' does not exist, but the 'windows gamer' continues to flourish.

it's all about freedom.

Open source software,
open access publishing

it's the way of the future
Are you a journalist?

it's all about freedom.

Open source software,
open access publishing

it's the way of the future

Nothing wrong with that.

However, Apple isn't open source and the information in question was obtained from a violation of a confidentialty agreement. At least as I understood it.....

Microsoft.
The species known as the 'mac gamer' does not exist, but the 'windows gamer' continues to flourish.
Mac stocks in the US more than quadrupled in a month...

Are you a journalist?

nope, scientist

Mac stocks in the US more than quadrupled in a month...

Ipods are selling well.

However, their music side might take a hit. Some big players are coming back. Why pay a buck a song when you get unlimited downloads for so much a month?

Ipods are selling well.
Ok. I admit, that is teh main reason.

However, their music side might take a hit. Some big players are coming back. Why pay a buck a song when you get unlimited downloads for so much a month?
Yet it's illegal.

Ok. I admit, that is teh main reason.


Yet it's illegal.

Napster is doing it and that's their campaign.....

As someone who knows his way around a computer(to a degree), I think that it depends what you want.

I want gaming fun: Microsoft. Now, Mac is catching up in terms of games(World of Warcraft, for example, is playable on both systems), but Microsoft just blows Max away in this category.

I want to edit media: Go with a Mac. No one beats Mac's video, music, and picture editing software.

I wanna fix the computer(phsically) by myself: MICROSOFT. A Mac is impossible to fix by yourselves. There are so many wires that don't even need to be there that are. To fix a PC, it requires skill, but not as much skill as a Macintosh.

*shudders*

I hate that memory...

I want something thats cheap, can use a bit(key word: BIT) of everything, and can be moded to do whatever you want to do: Linux. Now, it's games(which are few, and even then you hafta use WINE) are O.K., it's graphic editing stuff is ok(GIMP, for example), it's safer from viruses than any other OS, and it's free(which is better than what Mac and Micro can offer), but it's not all happy sunshine. It's hard at detecting hardware, it's near imposible to intall(except for when you are either A. Using a LiveCD or B. Using an easier-to-install-but-has-less- stuff distro, such as XandrOS), it's hard to fix certain distros(Gentoo=ARGH!), and it's mainly for "nerds".

So, depending on what you want, choose whichever one. However, in the choices I put, Microsoft has two victories(over the other two choices), but that in no way means that Microsoft is all around "better". Just choose whats right for you.

Napster is doing it and that's their campaign.....
Still...It's illegal. I'm not saying I don't do it... :rolleyes: ;)

I wanna fix the computer(phsically) by myself: MICROSOFT. A Mac is impossible to fix by yourselves. There are so many wires that don't even need to be there that are. To fix a PC, it requires skill, but not as much skill as a Macintosh.

True, but how many times do you have to repair a Mac, compared to how many times you have to repair a Microsoft?

Still...It's illegal. I'm not saying I don't do it... :rolleyes: ;)

How is it illegal? They are supposed to be legit now.

How is it illegal? They are supposed to be legit now.
Noo...Most artists are sueing people that use it.

True, but how many times do you have to repair a Mac, compared to how many times you have to repair a Microsoft?

Microsoft doesn't make computers. IBM does. Windows crashes more, but that usually doesn't have anything to do with the computer itself.

Noo...Most artists are sueing people that use it.

I'm fairly sure you're wrong.

It's a legal business nows.

Are you thinking of kazaa?

Microsoft doesn't make computers. IBM does. Windows crashes more, but that usually doesn't have anything to do with the computer itself.
I know. But you have to fix the computers with Microsoft in them.

I'm fairly sure you're wrong.

It's a legal business nows.

Are you thinking of kazaa?
I use "LimeWire" and I'm sure it's illegal.

They both suck, but at least MS allowed for reverse engineering so other companies can create compatible programs without having to pay huge licensing fees... and all of the macs i have ever used DO freeze up.

I use "LimeWire" and I'm sure it's illegal.

napster is legal though

Since ACAD ARCH 2005 is available in full suite for Mac now, Im ready to make the switch - and can't wait to do so with all the problems system instability gives me using the various PC's I use right now. I worry a little about being able to stay properly mated to other users of ACAD on PC's that I will have to exchange DWG files with - but I don't think it will be a problem. I have to force myself to wait though, since I only built my PC a year ago and it still smokes along pretty good (now if only windows didnt hang so often when I wanted to render a huge file while simultaneously running other programs in the background... I might be speaking differently right now... and no, for the naysayers, its not as issue with my setup either, Ive got this thing built.)

They both suck, but at least MS allowed for reverse engineering so other companies can create compatible programs without having to pay huge licensing fees... and all of the macs i have ever used DO freeze up.
The old ones are pretty bad. The new ones are extremely good.

napster is legal though
Really?

I hate Macs. Microsoft all the way. The only advantage is there are very few viruses for macs because few people have them because they're terrible.

I hate Macs. Microsoft all the way. The only advantage is there are very few viruses for macs because few people have them because they're terrible.
Macs are not terrible.

Really?

yep. But you must pay.

yep. But you must pay.
Oh, that explains it.

Limewire is not illegal by the way. Things like www.xolox.com are

Oh, that explains it.

Limewire is not illegal by the way. Things like www.xolox.com are

i am currently inhabiting an entirely copyright observing world. No illegal copies of software or music on my pcs at all

i am currently inhabiting an entirely copyright observing world. No illegal copies of software or music on my pcs at all
Really? Can't say I do...

i am currently inhabiting an entirely copyright observing world. No illegal copies of software or music on my pcs at all
You've reminded me of the Chris Rock bit about people who brag about things you're supposed to do.

"I've never been to jail."
"I take care of my kids."

I hate Macs. Microsoft all the way. The only advantage is there are very few viruses for macs because few people have them because they're terrible.

That's part of it. It's also the OS. Unix is not an easy system for Viruses. Windows has many many holes.

I still cringe from the time Microsoft said "hey lets open office up for scripting"

"I've never been to jail."
I hope you haven't

That's part of it. It's also the OS. Unix is not an easy system for Viruses. Windows has many many holes.

I still cringe from the time Microsoft said "hey lets open office up for scripting"
Anyone seen that commercial where the poeple are like:
"My computer is only half-protected, but then I live for danger"
"Hello virus
Hello Computer
Come on in virus
AHHHHHHHHHH"

lol Funny commercial

Software. For Electronic Design Architecture(EDA). Our packages are SUN(HP is vanishing), Linux, and PC based. No demand for Macintosh.....
I do FPGA firmware and some digital design. I'd celebrate the day that Xylinx and Orcad unveiled a Mac OS application so I could get rid of the no-name POS on my desk. Well, out from under, anyway.

I hate Macs. Microsoft all the way. The only advantage is there are very few viruses for macs because few people have them because they're terrible.
What the heck does the MS operating system do that you like? Crash frequently? Make you reboot every time you install an application? Scold you every time you remove your USB flash drive without "making it safe" to remove? There are more examples of bad engineering in a MS operating system that I can count. Maybe it's the helpful customer service that makes you like MS?

What the heck does the MS operating system do that you like? Crash frequently? Make you reboot every time you install an application? Scold you every time you remove your USB flash drive without "making it safe" to remove? There are more examples of bad engineering in a MS operating system that I can count. Maybe it's the helpful customer service that makes you like MS?
Linux and Mac have the same restrictions on a flash device, unless you've got a journalling file system on it. They just don't remind you.

What the heck does the MS operating system do that you like? Crash frequently? Make you reboot every time you install an application? Scold you every time you remove your USB flash drive without "making it safe" to remove? There are more examples of bad engineering in a MS operating system that I can count. Maybe it's the helpful customer service that makes you like MS?

Windows XP is perfectly stable.

I objectto it on moral (and financial) grounds

Everyone knows MS kicks ass and Mac just wishes it was that good. Sure there are more viruses for MS cuz more people have them. Its like how cell phones get viruses now, its cuz people made them cuz people have them. Plus contrary to popular belief, XP kicks ass if you know how to make it so it runs well. As to weakness in MS against viruses, just use Mozilla Firefox instead of IE, and get a firewall. Not that hard. Macs suck cuz they freeze and i personally think they look rediculous, PCs are much more practical.

And if anyone is wondering why there are so many pro-mac comments here, its cuz Windows users don't care, and Mac users just want to feel important.

Mac OS X:

Pros: Quick Time and Pro Tools.
Digital Performer
Easy to tamper with system settings
Lightning fast network performance
Anything to do with creating media

Cons: OS X
Crappy user interface
If one thing crashes, everything crashes. At least it isnt nearly as bad as OS7 in this respect, I guess. Thank god for memory protect.
iTunes
Anything to do with playing media

MS XP:

Pros: Stable and easy to use. Looks nicer too, if you use Classic as opposed to new themes.
WebMessenger runs on it.
DirectX
Amazingly difficult to bring down, and recovers from most things that can happen to it.
Hardware support.
Windows Media Player and support for a pentium 4 architecture (media playback)

Cons: Overcomplicated safeguards and processes make it uberslow when doing simple tasks across networks.
Fustrating to deal with issues sometimes.
Certain system settings can be hard to reach.

Oh yah, and just to remind everyone, Bill Gates is probably the most generous person on Earth, he may just do it for publicity, but hes given more to charity than you all have ever given in your lives. As for XP crashes vs. Apple crashes, At least u have Task Manager so you can just end a program rather taking the like 10 minute reboot that Apple goes through.

Oh yah, and just to remind everyone, Bill Gates is probably the most generous person on Earth, he may just do it for publicity, but hes given more to charity than you all have ever given in your lives. As for XP crashes vs. Apple crashes, At least u have Task Manager so you can just end a program rather taking the like 10 minute reboot that Apple goes through.
He also has more money than anyone.

macs don't freeze. I'v ehad my mac for 6months and nothing, I repaeat NOTHING, has happened. My Microsoft...I'm at the point where I'll take a bat and smash it to pieces.
Apples don't crash there is always the "Finder" that ALWAYS works. It has a Force Quit option. My Mac takes less than 2minutes to strat up. My Microsoft,(the newest version) takes around 10minutes.

He also has more money than anyone.

macs don't freeze. I'v ehad my mac for 6months and nothing, I repaeat NOTHING, has happened. My Microsoft...I'm at the point where I'll take a bat and smash it to pieces.
Apples don't crash there is always the "Finder" that ALWAYS works. It has a Force Quit option. My Mac takes less than 2minutes to strat up. My Microsoft,(the newest version) takes around 10minutes.

firstly, it's not 'a microsoft'. Unlike Apple, microsoft do not beat you into buying their hardware.

Secondly, if XP takes 10 mins to boot, you've broken it

mac, although i love linux

firstly, it's not 'a microsoft'. Unlike Apple, microsoft do not beat you into buying their hardware.

Secondly, if XP takes 10 mins to boot, you've broken it
Well, then I broke my XP. Why shoudl it break anyways?

Actually that is not true.

There are about 40 known.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

Yes, for Mac OS 9, not Mac OS X. Mac OS X is radically different. And I'll bet that there were also viruses on System 7. System 7 sucked. But Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9, and Mac OS X are a lot better.

What the hell is Steriogram?

Steriogram is a very good and popular rock band. Their latest music video <Walkie Talkie Man> cost NZ$500k to make (about the same amount as all the other NZ bands combined spending on music videos)

My comp takes half a minute to boot. What have you done to your poor computer?

Maybe its time you bought a new one? Mine works fine and its 3 years old, and my '95 (or sumthing like that) IBM 166 mhz works fine too, except for the fact it has no RAM so i cant play any games on it. I took about 2 minutes to boot, and it had that whole text interface going. I think the people at Apple need to face facts and realize to just stick to Ipods, which are amazing btw, i got nothing against them.

Well, then I broke my XP. Why shoudl it break anyways?
With control over your computer comes the ability to do something stupid to your computer. Anybody who's ever written an init script can tell you that.

With control over your computer comes the ability to do something stupid to your computer.
I only use it for my PowerPoint projects.

You can easily break a mac too, just end some processes, its not hard.

i prefer the soft grey of microsoft to the bright white of macintosh

My comp takes half a minute to boot. What have you done to your poor computer?

Maybe its time you bought a new one? Mine works fine and its 3 years old, and my '95 (or sumthing like that) IBM 166 mhz works fine too, except for the fact it has no RAM so i cant play any games on it. I took about 2 minutes to boot, and it had that whole text interface going. I think the people at Apple need to face facts and realize to just stick to Ipods, which are amazing btw, i got nothing against them.

Mine sucks. I'm not buying a new piece of shi* Microsoft. I'm fine with my excellent, G5s

i prefer the soft grey of microsoft to the bright white of macintosh
The G5's are grey.

Firefox= solution to MS virus problems

How old is your MS? Its obviously not that new or you've done something to make it that way. I fool around with my computer so much, its broken a couple of times, but it was a cinch to fix. When I had a mac, which i despised, it took forever to figure out problems.

Firefox= solution to MS virus problems

How old is your MS? Its obviously not that new or you've done something to make it that way. I fool around with my computer so much, its broken a couple of times, but it was a cinch to fix. When I had a mac, which i despised, it took forever to figure out problems.
Mine isn't that old...I bought it 2 years ago, and barely use it.

Macs are just very different...

This is way too vague to be a poll IMP. What are we voting for? which one we prefer alltogether? well, I pick Macintosh, because I think microsoft are a few patches short of a stable release (ironic word play ;) ) what I mean is, I think microsoft are extremely immoral, and happen to think macintosh are less so, so I pick macintosh.

Microsoft have a better OS, sure, but why should I praise them for that? they make enough money as it is with or without my vote here. I think their actions speak louder than their software. :)

Either that or I just like defending the impossibly undefendable *shrug* if I don't, who will? and if macintosh go bye bye....can anyone say mon-op-oly? ;)

I edit video footage, for that the mac is the best. That and I don't like dicking around with the minutia on my computer, updating this piece of hardware, coding this bit-I need to get to work so I want a computer that will work the way I need it to when I turn it on. If I want to game, I have a PS2 because when I want to play a game I want to be able to press "On" and have the damn game start. I'll leave the tweaking to others...

My dad's video business demands the reliability you get with macs. He can't stand dumb software errors that make windows video editing unreliable.
I only play a few games, Freeciv, Stronghold, Unreal Tournament & UT2004.

Firefox= solution to MS virus problems

How old is your MS? Its obviously not that new or you've done something to make it that way. I fool around with my computer so much, its broken a couple of times, but it was a cinch to fix. When I had a mac, which i despised, it took forever to figure out problems.

Windows XP is perfectly stable.

I objectto it on moral (and financial) grounds
I use XP at work and every time I install something, the application installer tells me to restart the computer. That doesn't even make sense.

sorry about the repeat. Jolt forums just denied me something and didnt tell me i already posted it.

This is way too vague to be a poll IMP. What are we voting for? which one we prefer alltogether? well, I pick Macintosh, because I think microsoft are a few patches short of a stable release (ironic word play ;) ) what I mean is, I think microsoft are extremely immoral, and happen to think macintosh are less so, so I pick macintosh.

Microsoft have a better OS, sure, but why should I praise them for that? they make enough money as it is with or without my vote here. I think their actions speak louder than their software. :)

you think because steve jobs does press releases in a t-shirt that apple are any less immoral? They want crush the opposition just like microsoft. Just look at the shit they released in the first round of iPods. Batteries that died really fast, and then they charged you the same price as a new iPod just to replace the battery.

And there's the suing of the bloggers...

They're both scum. That's why I moved Open Source,

Nothing like a bunch of german nerds writing software for free

They're both the same:


Commercial
Closed Source
Unsecure
Bloated
Privacy Invadors


Linux is the way to go!!! It may not look as slick but it's:


Free
Open Source
Secure
Efficient
Respects privacy
Is the best ever!!!

you think because steve jobs does press releases in a t-shirt that apple are any less immoral? They want crush the opposition just like microsoft. Just look at the shit they released in the first round of iPods. Batteries that died really fast, and then they charged you the same price as a new iPod just to replace the battery.

And there's the suing of the bloggers...

They're both scum. That's why I moved Open Source,

Nothing like a bunch of german nerds writing software for free
Open Source?

you think because steve jobs does press releases in a t-shirt that apple are any less immoral? They want crush the opposition just like microsoft. Just look at the shit they released in the first round of iPods. Batteries that died really fast, and then they charged you the same price as a new iPod just to replace the battery.

And there's the suing of the bloggers...

They're both scum. That's why I moved Open Source,

Nothing like a bunch of german nerds writing software for free

I agree, I guess i'm just voting for what I think is the lesser evil.

Oh yah, and just to remind everyone, Bill Gates is probably the most generous person on Earth, he may just do it for publicity, but hes given more to charity than you all have ever given in your lives. As for XP crashes vs. Apple crashes, At least u have Task Manager so you can just end a program rather taking the like 10 minute reboot that Apple goes through.

Mac OS X has force quit, so you can end a program when you want.

I use XP at work and every time I install something, the application installer tells me to restart the computer. That doesn't even make sense.
That's because you don't know how your computer works.

I agree, I guess i'm just voting for what I think is the lesser evil.
Which was? Sorry, remind me again.

That's because you don't know how your computer works.
Or, because it's just crap

Open Source?

search google

search google
What is that?

search googleWhat is that?
You have hereby invalidated anything you had to say.

You have hereby invalidated anything you had to say.
I don't get it. I know what google is, but it isn't a software, is it?

You have hereby invalidated anything you had to say.

not really. As a die hard apple fan he is more concerned with how his computer looks than what it does or costs

Which was? Sorry, remind me again.

I voted macintosh. I'm not looking for an insane political debate over this btw, this is just my opinion, I may be wrong, but I dont think microsoft are exactly angels ;)

I regret my vote, should have picked "they're the same" they're as bad as each other.

I don't get it. I know what google is, but it isn't a software, is it?
Nobody said it was, but it is.

Mac OS X:

Pros: Quick Time and Pro Tools.
Digital Performer
Easy to tamper with system settings
Lightning fast network performance
Anything to do with creating media

Cons: OS X
Crappy user interface
If one thing crashes, everything crashes. At least it isnt nearly as bad as OS7 in this respect, I guess. Thank god for memory protect.
iTunes
Anything to do with playing media

You can change the UI for OS X if you really want to.
If one thing crashes, it only takes out that program. You just get a dialogue asking if you want to send a crash report to Apple.
iTunes is better than that crappy WinAmp on Windows.
You probably haven't heard of ANT, the RSS video downloader.
MS XP:

Pros: Stable and easy to use. Looks nicer too, if you use Classic as opposed to new themes.
WebMessenger runs on it.
DirectX
Amazingly difficult to bring down, and recovers from most things that can happen to it.
Hardware support.
Windows Media Player and support for a pentium 4 architecture (media playback)

Cons: Overcomplicated safeguards and processes make it uberslow when doing simple tasks across networks.
Fustrating to deal with issues sometimes.
Certain system settings can be hard to reach.
I have WMP 9 for Mac OS X, and the G4 & G5 have altivec video processing built in.

not really. As a die hard apple fan he is more concerned with how his computer looks than what it does or costs
Not true

I'm lost.

Nobody said it was, but it is.
Ok...Never heard of it...

Ok...Never heard of it...
Yes, you have.

Yes, you have.
Where?

Where?
Here:

"I know what google is"

Ok...Never heard of it...

google is a search engine. try http://www.google.com

Open Source is a reference to software with open and freely available source code, so people can modify it. That is where Linux comes from. There isn't really a group of programmers sitting together building it, people make what they need and contribute to the pot.

Of course, some companies DO develop linux, but it's very nature makes it highly advanced, versatile, complicated and usually free.

google is a search engine. try http://www.google.com

Open Source is a reference to software with open and freely available source code, so people can modify it. That is where Linux comes from. There isn't really a group of programmers sitting together building it, people make what they need and contribute to the pot.

Of course, some companies DO develop linux, but it's very nature makes it highly advanced, versatile, complicated and usually free.
Oh, I see. Sorry about that...Got a bit confused :D Thank for clearing up...

This forum would be 20X better as a chat, 1 word posts?

This forum would be 20X better as a chat, 1 word posts?
There's always the IRC channel.

Whats that? IRC channel is new to me.

Firefox bizatches

Whats that? IRC channel is new to me.

Firefox bizatches
Firefox isn't bad. It's great

ya, firefox rules, im using it now. But anyways, has anyone noticed that Microsoft just makes the OS, not the computers, yet this forum seems to be debating hardware?

I think you missed what i said. I love firefox. Tab browsing rules. Its better than any browser in history and its FREE!

ya, firefox rules, im using it now. But anyways, has anyone noticed that Microsoft just makes the OS, not the computers, yet this forum seems to be debating hardware?

that's because Apple users have no choice about the hardware to use

ya, firefox rules, im using it now. But anyways, has anyone noticed that Microsoft just makes the OS, not the computers, yet this forum seems to be debating hardware?
I realize that.

Whats that? IRC channel is new to me.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378125

I think you missed what i said. I love firefox. Tab browsing rules. Its better than any browser in history and its FREE!
I thought you said Firfox is a Bitc*...

Sorry, msunderstanding

ya, firefox rules, im using it now. But anyways, has anyone noticed that Microsoft just makes the OS, not the computers, yet this forum seems to be debating hardware?

That's because with Microsoft you are free to use any old crap for your hardware, but with Apple they have always provided quality hardware.

Thats why I think Microsoft is better. It all has to do with anti-communism and you. As a strong anti-communist and a believer in russian conspiracy I support Microsoft because its more capitalist than Apple. Apple controls what you use, yet Microsoft lets you use whatever you want. The Apple communists just want you to conform. All in all Apple is just another brick in the wall.


I realize how idiotic i sound

Thats why I think Microsoft is better. It all has to do with anti-communism and you. As a strong anti-communist and a believer in russian conspiracy I support Microsoft because its more capitalist than Apple. Apple controls what you use, yet Microsoft lets you use whatever you want. The Apple communists just want you to conform. All in all Apple is just another brick in the wall.


I realize how idiotic i sound
WOW!! Congrats. You just turned hardware into politics

it's near imposible to intall(except for when you are either A. Using a LiveCD or B. Using an easier-to-install-but-has-less- stuff distro, such as XandrOS)Fedora Core 3 wasn't so much hard to install as hard to make boot up...:D Now that it's working, I can play some games in it without WINE (I actually have yet to play any with WINE).
I know. But you have to fix the computers with Microsoft in them.How would having Windows (Microsoft is the company that makes Windows, not the operating system or the computer) installed make a computer physically break?
Crash frequently?I think I get just a few crashes a year...What do you do to your computer? :\
Make you reboot every time you install an application?Every time? The last time I had to do that was when I was updating the video card driver.
i prefer the soft grey of microsoft to the bright white of macintoshEw...Windows uses a very ugly grey for the classic theme. :p

Thanks. I owe it all to my lord jesus christ. Damn commies, and dont think Im some redneck cuz i live in massachusetts, I JUST HATE EVERYONE SO MUCH.

Thanks. I owe it all to my lord jesus christ. Damn commies, and dont think Im some redneck cuz i live in massachusetts, I JUST HATE EVERYONE SO MUCH.
I just love that song...

That's because with Microsoft you are free to use any old crap for your hardware, but with Apple they have always provided quality hardware.

historically apple hardware has been a joke.

The modern stuff is better, but their refusal to separate their hardware and software make them far too controlling. I prefer the freedom of hundreds of hardware manufacturers and Open Source software

that's the cheapest and most cost efficient option. Plus the software is generally better - take FireFox for example

Exactly, Apple is just a bunch of communist hippy sympathizers. :) IT ALL MAKES SENSE. THE SOVIET UNION DESTROYED ITSELF AND BECAME THE ENTITY CALLED APPLE INC.

Cuz I love that dirty water, ohhh Boston your my home

Exactly, Apple is just a bunch of communist hippy sympathizers. :) IT ALL MAKES SENSE. THE SOVIET UNION DESTROYED ITSELF AND BECAME THE ENTITY CALLED APPLE INC.

Cuz I love that dirty water, ohhh Boston your my home
You did it once again...

I could just be the craziest person you've ever heard of, or I could be right. Oh doesn't that just scare the bejebus out of you.

What you are saying is very true...It has been very annoying, when I try to downlaod online ames, and it turns out they are a Windos script only, but Mac is simply faster and nicer. I'm not a compuuter game person anyways so I don't care...

macintosh does 'force' you to use ceratin things, but not always. They have Word, Power Point, Excell...All the bascs. You don't need anymore.

Cuz appleworks sucks, everyone figured that out the second they saw it. Don't get me started with safari.

What code is Mac OSX written in?

Cuz appleworks sucks, everyone figured that out the second they saw it. Don't get me started with safari.
Safari is very bad. I immediately replaced it with Firefox, as soon as I got the chance.

What code is Mac OSX written in?

as it's a BSD rip-off I guess probably C, but I could be wrong

Cuz i know how windows works, cuz i know Visual BASIC, but I'm trying to figure out how MacOs works. I find It Ironic that the co-founder of both apple and microsoft and the chairman of microsoft both came up with the same code, but one was too dumb to use it.

What code is Mac OSX written in?
Mostly C++ and Objective C.

Macs for sure! I love my new imac.. Go the people at apple.. The software is funky and the hardware is so sophisticated.. :)

If someone preffers microsoft it is probably because they are "good" at "computers" but dont take the time to learn how to use a mac(as simple as it is) and becuase they cant use it.. they think it is bad -.-

Yay, i didnt realise there were so many mac lovers..

I almost bought an ibook this week. But I decided to stick to the microsoft....bought a brand new compaq presario v2000 laptop. it is big pimpin. :D

If someone preffers microsoft it is probably because they are "good" at "computers" but dont take the time to learn how to use a mac(as simple as it is) and becuase they cant use it.. they think it is bad -.-

A lot of people prefer Microsoft as an OS because a lot of Mic games don't like Mac. Like, for instance, will there ever be a legitimate Halo for Mac? Think not. Empire Earth? No. Sims? No. Almost no game I like runs on Mac. "Hardcore" gamers use Microsoft PCs because they want the games. The hardware is the same, really. And Macs rely on aesthetic appeal ... really. Although for apps where unrestricted power is necessary (the mac OS is much less processor-intensive) Mac is preferred. Extreme starting power (no upgrades) plus software that works on Macs and Mics, minus minimal base processor use = winner. But the software often doesn't work ... :D :D :D

Macs for sure! I love my new imac.. Go the people at apple.. The software is funky and the hardware is so sophisticated.. :)

If someone preffers microsoft it is probably because they are "good" at "computers" but dont take the time to learn how to use a mac(as simple as it is) and becuase they cant use it.. they think it is bad -.-

Yay, i didnt realise there were so many mac lovers..

When my PC crashed and burned, I used my nephew's MAC laptop and I loved it!!!! It actually was easy to get used to, too, so I agree with you - as simple as it is.

Microsoft is good for all the gaming. Can you think of a single good game for MAC. Maybe Warcraft, but I don't like it particularly. I prefer Command & Conquer.

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Wow, you still exist.

I prefer Microsoft.

Its more readily supported than the various Unix-based systems.

It doesn't force me to buy candy-colored crap machines. I can get exactly what I want. Gasp.

It doesn't rely on snazzy ad campaigns and toy-like machines to get sales.

It's not run by someone who used to do heavy drugs and abuse his employees (Bill Gates mostly abuses his competition).

It does not monopolize, ironically enough, while Apple does.

Everything apple does, Microsoft will usually catch up to, for less money, with less BS.

It doesn't have so high a ratio of rabid fans. They're just MACHINES. Use whichever one you like best. Its not a fricking lifestyle unless you're a programmer.

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Now, Windows does have more viruses and such. Because many people hate it (in that they want to harm people who like it), and because, gasp, its the most common one. You have any idea how easy it would be to make a virus for an open source system, or how much more likely it is that a Windows machine will hook up to your virus site?

Now, if I was a graphic designer, sure, Apple. Its better for that. But I'm not. My work is largely text, and net-surfing. Windows is great for that. XP is also very stable, much moreso than 95 back in the day. It works for me.

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Apple is known for having crappy batteries. There was a story about laptop batteries dying faster and faster a few years ago, last I actually read a computer magazine.

My comp takes half a minute to boot. What have you done to your poor computer?

Maybe its time you bought a new one? Mine works fine and its 3 years old, and my '95 (or sumthing like that) IBM 166 mhz works fine too, except for the fact it has no RAM so i cant play any games on it. I took about 2 minutes to boot, and it had that whole text interface going. I think the people at Apple need to face facts and realize to just stick to Ipods, which are amazing btw, i got nothing against them.

3 years old? Then it has to be clocked at about 500mhz or more. 166mhz Pentiums are about 12 years old now.


I take that and raise you this.

Dual 64-Bit G5 Processors each clocked at 2.5ghz.
8 Gigabytes of System RAM
Dual 500 Gigabyte Hard Drives
Dual 6800 Ultra Video Cards
30 Inch LCD Display.
DVD Burner
Logitect MX 900 Mouse
Boots OSX 3 in about 12 seconds.

BOTH CHOICES ARE WRONG! Linux is where it's at. It's open source, so you can change it to meet your desires, and it runs BOTH microsoft and Mac programs WITH NO ERROR like microsoft would have, and because you can use ANY program on it, it has the choice that Mac users generally are left without.

Microsoft.

Apple products cost way too much for what they're worth, and Macintosh computers take up too many system resources to be useful for gaming and audio editing.

Microsoft.

Apple products cost way too much for what they're worth, and Macintosh computers take up too many system resources to be useful for gaming and audio editing.

Not really, the G5 may seem expensive, but considering NO OTHER DESKTOP comes close, i think it's a fair price.

My boyfriend is quite fond of Amigas....

Not really, the G5 may seem expensive, but considering NO OTHER DESKTOP comes close, i think it's a fair price.

HAH, you're the same guy who keeps saying Digital is better than Analogue. Shows how much you know, eh?

A G5 does *not* out-perform my Pentium 4 3.4 rig. It doesn't even perform close to my A64 3200+ rig.

MICROSOFT ALL THE WAY BABY

how many games are on macs? seriouly Macs are crap except for business or educational puposes...microsoft can do both and actually score some games.

You have any idea how easy it would be to make a virus for an open source system, or how much more likely it is that a Windows machine will hook up to your virus site?
Have you ever used Wikipedia? It doesn't have many errors. Why? Because they're easy to fix. In fact, this has been tested. People deliberately introduce errors and see how long they take to get fixed. Usually, it happens within hours.

Similarly, it's a lot harder to find exploitable errors in open source projects than you would think. Really, I challenge you to try.

HAH, you're the same guy who keeps saying Digital is better than Analogue. Shows how much you know, eh?

A G5 does *not* out-perform my Pentium 4 3.4 rig. It doesn't even perform close to my A64 3200+ rig.
So VERY, very true my friend. AMD processors SMOKE Mac processors, and there is NOTHING better than a good old fashioned Raideon 9600 baby!

So VERY, very true my friend. AMD processors SMOKE Mac processors, and there is NOTHING better than a good old fashioned Raideon 9600 baby!

That ye olde 9600 can't touch my 6800 GTO!

MICROSOFT ALL THE WAY BABY

how many games are on macs? seriouly Macs are crap except for business or educational puposes...microsoft can do both and actually score some games.
Yes, but it's also GLITCHY AS HELL, and made for old people who are intimidated by computers. XP has so many lines of code that are stupid/dead-end/unecessary it's not even funny, trust me. I'm not saying I like Mac, I'm saying LINUX is the best.

Linux all the way. Why? Because if you want, you could look just like OS 10, and even run some of the same software. They're both Unix based. Its the OS that runs a whole bunch of web servers, you're PS2, and you're TiVo. And you can change it to look, feel, and do whatever you like.

Which country do you like better: the U.S. or the United States?
DUH! The United States! :p

Linux all the way. Why? Because if you want, you could look just like OS 10, and even run some of the same software. They're both Unix based. Its the OS that runs a whole bunch of web servers, you're PS2, and you're TiVo. And you can change it to look, feel, and do whatever you like.
EXACTLY Kudos to you, friend.

Macs are much harder to crash because of the almost tyrannical control of the OS over hardware resources, and the careful balance between OS and hardware.

When you pair Windows XP with reliable hardware from a good manufacturer, updated drivers, and only use well behaved applications that follow MS guidelines, you have an almost crashproof system. I enjoy better than 99% uptime with my XP, playing games, music, burning CDs, recording TV, surfing the internet, etc., many things at the same time, for weeks without having to reset. I've never been hit by a virus, and that's without an antivirus installed, just following safe computing, which anyone should anyway.

Sure, most applications ask you to restart the system after installation or some updated. But have you ever tried using your computer without restarting? Most times you can start using your application right away, and some updates only require you to restart a service manually (mind you, SP2 is much worse, asking you to restart every 10 minutes or so, but I bet that even for that there must be an option in the registry).

Plus, it's much easier to tweak XP in case I want to, unlike OS X which is a nightmare to get under the hood.

No OS is perfect, Mac, Windows and all the Open Source alternatives, can be improved. But XP is not that bad, if you know what you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, just get a Mac, it's much simpler. And if you really, really know what you're doing, go for Open Source, new versions of Linux are not that hard to install. In fact, Fedora Core 3 lives happily alongside my Windows, though it's barely used.

MACs only w/OS X

it runs BOTH microsoft and Mac programs WITH NO ERROR like microsoft would have, and because you can use ANY program on it, it has the choice that Mac users generally are left without.Linux can't run Windows or Mac programs...:\

Linux can't run Windows or Mac programs...:\
Very true, but it still is very good. Can't beat Mac though :)

well, a few people quoted and responded on my last post, so...

I see that you have to have apple hardware with Mac OSX, but this is about the OS's isnt it? the arguments of hardware and software can't work together because microsoft only has software, so they arnet comparrable. You should either compare operating systems or hardware, but not both. Some people say my mac never crashes, but my windows does etc. Its true, macs are better then every other computer ive ever used (which isnt that many) but by saying that your assosiating the hardware with the OS, or the OS with the hardware. Any OS runs bad on low-quality hardware, and any hardware can only preform as good as its OS. So the two arnet connected the same in the different machines.

Anyways, Bakc to your regularly schedueled arguments.

btw-quote this post!

HAH, you're the same guy who keeps saying Digital is better than Analogue. Shows how much you know, eh?

A G5 does *not* out-perform my Pentium 4 3.4 rig. It doesn't even perform close to my A64 3200+ rig.

Are you aware of the difference between x86 and PPC?
Think about piping for a second. There are " pipes " in processors. They are called stages. The data has to get through all of them.



An Intel Pentium 4 is a very inefficient processor. And if it's the presscott, your looking at almost 30 pipelines. Which explains why Intel processors are clocked up to 3.8ghz, otherwise they could not compete with AMD or PowerPC

AMD is a efficient X-86 based processor. Based on x86 as is the pentium 4. An AMD FX 55 has 12 Pipelines, and this explains why the fastest AMD chip is clocked at 2.2ghz. But they can match up to Intel Chips.

PowerPC G5 is the G5 chip, PPC is a very efficient and only has about 5 pipelines in the entire chip, giving it a much higher bandwith.

The Dual 2.5ghz G5 does outperform your P4.

For example, an 1.4ghz mac mini G4 can match up to a 2.8ghz PEntium 4.

The last time I used a mac was grade 7 keyboarding class. The monitors were 8 inches and yeah... it seemed pretty crappy.

I have never owned a Mac, based on style alone, they seem to beat out many other computers. Unfortunately, if I ever want to hand in some things for school (there are some electronic submissions) I need microsoft software, so I don't think I'll be trying a Mac anytime soon.

I wonder if there are trial periods on computers like that. They should let you have test drives or something for a week or two and see how you like it.

Are you aware of the difference between x86 and PPC?
Think about piping for a second. There are " pipes " in processors. They are called stages. The data has to get through all of them.



An Intel Pentium 4 is a very inefficient processor. And if it's the presscott, your looking at almost 30 pipelines. Which explains why Intel processors are clocked up to 3.8ghz, otherwise they could not compete with AMD or PowerPC

AMD is a efficient X-86 based processor. Based on x86 as is the pentium 4. An AMD FX 55 has 12 Pipelines, and this explains why the fastest AMD chip is clocked at 2.2ghz. But they can match up to Intel Chips.

PowerPC G5 is the G5 chip, PPC is a very efficient and only has about 5 pipelines in the entire chip, giving it a much higher bandwith.

The Dual 2.5ghz G5 does outperform your P4.

For example, an 1.4ghz mac mini G4 can match up to a 2.8ghz PEntium 4.

You are quite correct about that. But, I'm talking about the system as a whole. A G5 will not come close to my P4 rig. They have two of them at Fry's Electronics in Houston, and they're loaded with Battlefield 1942. Old game, yes, but on such a "powerful" PC, it has slowdown!

I could run Battlefield 1942 with no slowdown on my Athlon XP 2000+ PC.

Macs are far superior in all technical aspects to x86 based PCs. This is a no-brainer no serious IT professional would deny. However, when you count the entire consumer experience, you have to admit that Windows running on x86 is the superior platform. This isnt due to any technical reasons. The Mac wins hands down on every technical category. It has everything to do with the availability of software. Nothing beats being able to go to the mall and select any one of thousands of software titles. So, for the typical consumer, Windows on the x86 is the preffered platform.

well, a few people quoted and responded on my last post, so...

I see that you have to have apple hardware with Mac OSX, but this is about the OS's isnt it? the arguments of hardware and software can't work together because microsoft only has software, so they arnet comparrable. You should either compare operating systems or hardware, but not both. Some people say my mac never crashes, but my windows does etc. Its true, macs are better then every other computer ive ever used (which isnt that many) but by saying that your assosiating the hardware with the OS, or the OS with the hardware. Any OS runs bad on low-quality hardware, and any hardware can only preform as good as its OS. So the two arnet connected the same in the different machines.

Anyways, Bakc to your regularly schedueled arguments.

btw-quote this post!
To quote, there is a button on the buttom of teh post that you wish to quote, or you could just copy and paste it as such:
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Macs are far superior in all technical aspects to x86 based PCs. This is a no-brainer no serious IT professional would deny. However, when you count the entire consumer experience, you have to admit that Windows running on x86 is the superior platform. This isnt due to any technical reasons. The Mac wins hands down on every technical category. It has everything to do with the availability of software. Nothing beats being able to go to the mall and select any one of thousands of software titles. So, for the typical consumer, Windows on the x86 is the preffered platform.
I honestly wouldn't say that being able to select from thousands of different software is good. You don't know what is good, and what's not.

With Mac, you have to get that extremely good software.

3 years old? Then it has to be clocked at about 500mhz or more. 166mhz Pentiums are about 12 years old now.


I take that and raise you this.

Dual 64-Bit G5 Processors each clocked at 2.5ghz.
8 Gigabytes of System RAM
Dual 500 Gigabyte Hard Drives
Dual 6800 Ultra Video Cards
30 Inch LCD Display.
DVD Burner
Logitect MX 900 Mouse
Boots OSX 3 in about 12 seconds.

No, that one is like 10 years old now. My 3 year old one is 2.2 Ghz and Pentium 4.

I like my PC... lets me play WoW with style...

Microsoft but I hear Mac is better.

You are quite correct about that. But, I'm talking about the system as a whole. A G5 will not come close to my P4 rig. They have two of them at Fry's Electronics in Houston, and they're loaded with Battlefield 1942. Old game, yes, but on such a "powerful" PC, it has slowdown!

I could run Battlefield 1942 with no slowdown on my Athlon XP 2000+ PC.

That game is just laggy on macs, the lazy porters didn't optimize it.

An G5 chip out performs all PC chips, by alot.

That game is just laggy on macs, the lazy porters didn't optimize it.

An G5 chip out performs all PC chips, by alot.
The G5 is amazing...

I have a dual processor G5...I don't play games on my computers, because I'm not the computer game type...

Macintosh has a con for not being able to play computer games such as www.roseon.com

That game is just laggy on macs, the lazy porters didn't optimize it.

An G5 chip out performs all PC chips, by alot.

not by as much as apple tell you. I've seen objective stats, and they are only a little ahead of the AMDs, which will work with cheaper other hardware.

Linux can't run Windows or Mac programs...:\

sure it can. You use wine for windows programs.

Macintosh all the way. Everyone else seems to have stated the reasons pretty well.

I will say that I haven't noticed any slowdown which can be attributed to my G5 in Battlefield:1942. Just lots of lag, but that's the Internet's fault.

Hell, my G4 ran BF:1942 without any slowdown...

Macintosh. There are no viruses, it is much more stable, just as fast, and it can run PC apps.

Macintosh. There are no viruses, it is much more stable, just as fast, and it can run PC apps.

that all applies equally to linux, which is free and runs on cheaper hardware

I'd go with Macs for ease of use. Not because there are no viruses etc. because there are. Most viruses for Macs are Trojen meaing you have to actually open them manuely for them to affect the computer. As for poor hardware, all I've found is the lack of a two-button mouse - which Apple plans on fixing soon.

What really bugs me though is that people say Macs or so expensive. I just ask what do you spend in antivirus software each year? Most of my friends spend 100s of dollars each year trying to keep their PC virus free. This includes fire walls (macs have those built in).

Now for a fun fact: Of the 80% of microsoft employees who own digital musci players, 80% of those are Apple IPods.

sure it can. You use wine for windows programs.That's not Linux...That's WINE...And WINE can't run every Windows program, anyway.

That's not Linux...That's WINE...And WINE can't run every Windows program, anyway.

it's wine, which runs under linux. it can run pretty much everything i want it to.

it's wine, which runs under linux.If Linux with WINE counts as Linux, then Windows can use Mac, Nintendo, GameBoy, and other programs.
http://www.mess.org/
it can run pretty much everything i want it to.Everything I've tried with WINE didn't work properly...:(

If Linux with WINE counts as Linux, then Windows can use Mac, Nintendo, GameBoy, and other programs.
http://www.mess.org/
Everything I've tried with WINE didn't work properly...:(

quite correct, emulators make the OS less important.

Shame you haven't got wine working, have a look on the help boards

my parents won't let me get linux.

Linux Open Source ownz all your base.
MicroHard just sucks.
Mac isn't as bad, but still isn't as compact, efficient, or varied.
Plus:
"What can your PC do that my Mac can't?
Double-click."

Shame you haven't got wine working, have a look on the help boardsI just tried an old Windows program (I played it on either Windows 95 or 98), and that works, so I guess WINE just isn't ready to run new Windows stuff. :(

They're not $3,000 better.
They aren't that expensive

Here's the real way to solve it:
Operating systems suck. Use your computer by reading the data into the hard drive one bit at a time with a toggle switch.


Or, program your own OS that doesn't suck.


:D

Here's the real way to solve it:
Operating systems suck. Use your computer by reading the data into the hard drive one bit at a time with a toggle switch.


Or, program your own OS that doesn't suck.


:D
Meh, too much work.

Here's the real way to solve it:
Operating systems suck. Use your computer by reading the data into the hard drive one bit at a time with a toggle switch.


Or, program your own OS that doesn't suck.


:D
I have :) (made my own OS) essentialy ... :)

Mac OK. Microsoft evil. But since computer games for Mac are far more difficult to come by, Microsoft better than Mac.

Translation: I don't like either, but my gaming habits force me towards Micro$hit.

Mac OK. Microsoft evil. But since computer games for Mac are far more difficult to come by, Microsoft better than Mac.

Translation: I don't like either, but my gaming habits force me towards Micro$hit.
Forced to keep 1 windows machine for the same reason

I'm fairly happy with the state of Mac gaming at the moment. There's enough to keep me happy, and I've got a PS2 to tide me over if need be.

I'm fairly happy with the state of Mac gaming at the moment. There's enough to keep me happy, and I've got a PS2 to tide me over if need be.
Then you are not a true gaming geek :) most of the stuff CAN be done with a mac but at absorbetent pricing for hardware moding for some

Though I did find a version of freebsd that worked on mac hardware ... :-D

Then you are not a true gaming geek :) most of the stuff CAN be done with a mac but at absorbetent pricing for hardware moding for some

Though I did find a version of freebsd that worked on mac hardware ... :-D
Really?