NationStates Jolt Archive

(In bold) I don't think there's many in here could plead not guilty to that (myself included). We just tend to assume conflicting evidence=no evidence.
Very true … humans seem to do that in general … but what I was trying to make evident is that many of us do not feel it worth the effort to argue with someone that will refuse to even accept evidence contrary to their belief (I know at times we all do that but most of us at least try)

I don't see any irony...
:confused:

I got the impression that the implication that all men want to opress all women was being made. Whilst complaining about gender stereotypes.

Also, since men are more promiscuous than womyn, and the ones who spread terrible STDs, they should be tested twice a year and given some sort of proof of their disease free status. This would be a good way to stop the spread of diseases that take a terrible toll on the health care system. Vasectomies and STD testing would still be cheaper than raising unwanted children by the state.

How can men be more promiscuous? Overall, for all heterosexual sex acts ever, the ratio of participants must be exactly 1:1 men to women. On average, we are just as promiscuous as each other. What are you on?

And why is the way to deal with oppresshyn to take away freedom of choice with forced vasectomies? They are not completely safe, nor totally reversible.

I am personally suprised Herpower wants men to get vasectomies.
I thought her whole position was to give women more power. Yet she will give men the power to chose when women can get pregnant with the enforcement of vasectomies. Just something to think about.

You people are so hateful! I am just trying to suggest a solution to a very real problem! Why can't you see that womyn are still being oppressed and used as baby-machine or forced to take the consequences alone of unwanted pregnancies when the man is just as guilty? If I have children I will love them and teach them to respect both genders equally. I will not raise my son as so many do to sleep around and never care about it and I will not teach my daughter that she is a slut if she enjoys sex! Yes, women are still being oppressed. But your arguments were very unreasonable, and you seemed to be referring to "civilised" places, like Europe or America (well, maybe not America ;) ), when you were talking about the "patriofascists".

I don't see any irony...
:confused:
All gender stereotypes are coming from men to oppress women.
Pretty nice stereotype about a specific gender.
Reminds me when i was working as a janitor my female colleagues firmly held the stereotype that men just dont get it clean...

Very true … humans seem to do that in general … but what I was trying to make evident is that many of us do not feel it worth the effort to argue with someone that will refuse to even accept evidence contrary to their belief (I know at times we all do that but most of us at least try)
250 replies in just over two hours: how many threads achieve that? :p
She's touched something off at least.

I am personally suprised Herpower wants men to get vasectomies.
I thought her whole position was to give women more power. Yet she will give men the power to chose when women can get pregnant with the enforcement of vasectomies. Just something to think about.
Well, since the whole purpose is trolling, sensible suggestions like this are out of place. ;)

*sings* Bu-hu-hull-shi-iit!
I know a lot of people who grew up in the socialist GDR. Neither men nor women behave any other than those who were raised in the democratic FRG. So, nice theory, but the facts prove you wrong.

That is because the GDR or any of the other corrupt dictatorships which existed around the world have never achieved a true Socialist or Communist society and they were closer to a form of state capitalism. I do believe that in a genuine democratic Socialist or Communist society womyn would eventually achieve complete equality although this is unlikely in an authoritarian society like the USSR or the GDR where one party had too much power and often didn't take the interests of working people into account.

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

well JESUS H CHRIST the moment i read the title i knew who this was. :D

All gender stereotypes are coming from men to oppress women.
Pretty nice stereotype about a specific gender.
Oh! I missed that!
:D

250 replies in just over two hours: how many threads achieve that? :p
She's touched something off at least.
But not debate not argument which is what the posts I quoted originally were calling for (I was explaining why she was not getting serious debate)

well JESUS H CHRIST the moment i read the title i knew who this was. :D
...it does say who created the thread right under the title...

HerPower you are a sad case, so much hate and so much free time to post in. I have a proposal for you, get thee to a nunnery. I mean honestly, you hate men so why not go to the only place where we won’t annoy you.

How can men be more promiscuous? Overall, for all heterosexual sex acts ever, the ratio of participants must be exactly 1:1 men to women. On average, we are just as promiscuous as each other. What are you on?

I believe the key here is the definition of 'promiscuous' being used: ins ome surveys it is used to mean having had more than one sexual partner in a particular period of time.

If we posit a model such that there are 20 people in the world - 10 men and 10 women - and that one of these women works as a sex worker, then we can make the figures work:

Frex:

1 out of the 10 men is celibate.
1 out of the 10 women is celibate.
9 out of the 10 men have had at least one sexual partner in the last year.
9 out of the 10 women have had at least one sexual partner in the last year.
5 out of the 10 men have had more than one sexual partner in the last year (they have slept with the sex worker).
1 out of the 10 women has had more than one sexual partner in the last year (she has been employed as a sex worker and has slept with 6 men).

Thus, if we define promiscuous as 'having more than one sexual partner in the last year' we see that 5 of the men fit into this category, while only one woman fits into it. Therefore, according to this definition more men are promiscuous than women.

All gender stereotypes are coming from men to oppress women.
Pretty nice stereotype about a specific gender.


IF it were the case that all gender stereotypes came from men to oppress women, then this statement wouldn't actually be a stereotype, yes? There is no inherent contradiction (although it may not fit the facts of the world).

That is because the GDR or any of the other corrupt dictatorships which existed around the world have never achieved a true Socialist or Communist society and they were closer to a form of state capitalism. I do believe that in a genuine democratic Socialist or Communist society womyn would eventually achieve complete equality although this is unlikely in an authoritarian society like the USSR or the GDR where one party had too much power and often didn't take the interests of working people into account.
And i do believe that working with what you have and not hunt after some half-mystic utopia. You want gender equality? Do something and dont wait for your ideal society to solve the problem.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but in terms of gender equality, the GDR was on the forefront and certainly more advanced than nearly all existing nations right at this moment.

I believe the key here is the definition of 'promiscuous' being used: ins ome surveys it is used to mean having had more than one sexual partner in a particular period of time.

If we posit a model such that there are 20 people in the world - 10 men and 10 women - and that one of these women works as a sex worker, then we can make the figures work:

Frex:

1 out of the 10 men is celibate.
1 out of the 10 women is celibate.
9 out of the 10 men have had at least one sexual partner in the last year.
9 out of the 10 women have had at least one sexual partner in the last year.
5 out of the 10 men have had more than one sexual partner in the last year (they have slept with the sex worker).
1 out of the 10 women has had more than one sexual partner in the last year (she has been employed as a sex worker and has slept with 6 men).

Thus, if we define promiscuous as 'having more than one sexual partner in the last year' we see that 5 of the men fit into this category, while only one woman fits into it. Therefore, according to this definition more men are promiscuous than women.
but is that an accurate model?

But not debate not argument which is what the posts I quoted originally were calling for (I was explaining why she was not getting serious debate)
True enough.

I got the impression that the implication that all men want to opress all women was being made. Whilst complaining about gender stereotypes.

I was not making that implication and I am a male who certainly doesn't want to oppress womyn. It is however unfortuantely the truth that a large number of men, probably the majority, do want to benefit through the exploitation of womyn and they do so through enforcing gender stereotypes on society. I am not stereotyping men although I believe the attitudes of many men will have to change before we can achieve a society where both men and womyn enjoy complete equality.

HerPower, I'd like to throw something out here and see where it goes.

Ever heard of sexual selection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_selection)? The idea would tend to suggest that secondary sexual traits and behaviors in males evolve due to the sexual preferences of available female mates. I'm curious as to your thoughts on that and how it impacts on your philosophy.

but is that an accurate model?

No. It is pulled steaming out of my ass, but it shows that the question 'who are the men having sex with?' does not demolish the statement about comparative promiscuity rates.

All gender stereotypes are coming from men to oppress women.
Pretty nice stereotype about a specific gender.

I'm still reeling from HerPower coming within a gnat's crotchet on saying that the reason females are pregant and not men is because it is a way for men to assure men's dominion onver women.

I but she loves seahorses.

I but she loves seahorses.

And Black Widows! (Yes, I mean the spiders.)

but is that an accurate model?
It's a stylised version of the classic model. Check this (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=411&Pos=&ColRank=1&Rank=374) out.

It's a stylised version of the classic model. Check this (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=411&Pos=&ColRank=1&Rank=374) out.

Thanks for that. I had forgotten quite how difficult it was to accurately compare pie charts... they really are grossly inefficient methods of display.



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Thanks for that. I had forgotten quite how difficult it was to accurately compare pie charts... they really are grossly inefficient methods of display.
Know the feeling :) percentials on seperate wholes can be confusing at times

Just when i thought you couldnt get any more ridiculous you go and top yourself.... well done!

i agree!

None of this would have happened if the rib was left in Adam's chest. :D

And i do believe that working with what you have and not hunt after some half-mystic utopia. You want gender equality? Do something and dont wait for your ideal society to solve the problem.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but in terms of gender equality, the GDR was on the forefront and certainly more advanced than nearly all existing nations right at this moment.

The limited Socialism which existed in Eastern Europe certainly made much progress toward's womyn's rights (except while Stalin was in power), but the reason why they never enjoyed complete equality in all aspects of society is that the workers state degenerated into an authoritarian state ruled by a small party elite. If Marx's vision had been fully implemented there would have been a completely democratic state run by the working class and in the interests of the working class until all exploitation had been eliminated after which there would be no need for a state and it would wither away.

The limited Socialism which existed in Eastern Europe certainly made much progress toward's womyn's rights (except while Stalin was in power), but the reason why they never enjoyed complete equality in all aspects of society is that the workers state degenerated into an authoritarian state ruled by a small party elite. If Marx's vision had been fully implemented there would have been a completely democratic state run by the working class and in the interests of the working class until all exploitation had been eliminated after which there would be no need for a state and it would wither away.
...you are talking about building a state with humans, right?

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!


Woman, did you forget to take YOUR medication? I haven't seen this kind of crap since the 80's Feme-Nazi movement. Obviously your not the majority and never will be.

None of this would have happened if the rib was left in Adam's chest. :D
But then we'd have a world full of hair stylists and interior designers.

:D

...you are talking about building a state with humans, right?

What else could I be talking about?

Umm we have this option... for pregnancy free healthy sex it's called being gay!!! what are you opinions there is no need for a vecectomies so its cheaper.
It was relying to post like this that killed off Conceptualists.

Oh happy days :(

It was relying to post like this that killed off Conceptualists.

do it... do it... do it...

What else could I be talking about?
I was beginning to wonder after the "elimination of exploitation in a perfect working class democratic state" part. I thought... that can't mean humans. Maybe it's, like, some sort of social insect like termites.

Thanks for that. I had forgotten quite how difficult it was to accurately compare pie charts... they really are grossly inefficient methods of display.



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That's probably one of the reasons it was used - to blur the ambiguities inherent in this sort of statistic.

(Congratulations on your elevation!)

What else could I be talking about?
Well, ants perhaps. They have a system much like communism. Nobody owns anything, everybody does his job for the betterment of the community and gets what he needs in return.

That system just doesn't work with humans. It goes against our genes.

...the male dominated society which attempts to brainwash womyn into holding these attitudes in the interests of men...I have a solution to the problem: Let's brainwash women MORE! A lot more! Until the point where they actually appreciate being brainwashed into this particular direction, and believe that it is good. (and being brainwashed in any other way is evil and discriminating against their right to be brainwashed as they want to be)

*NOTE*: This post is neither serious nor sarcastic, as it does not voice any opinion at all. It merely is a product of my twisted sense of humor.

I was beginning to wonder after the "elimination of exploitation in a perfect working class democratic state" part. I thought... that can't mean humans. Maybe it's, like, some sort of social insect like termites.

Although such a state has never yet been fully been achieved I can't see why it can't be in the future as long as the left learns from the mistakes of the past and implements a fully democratic political system where the interests of all people would be represeneted. I believe that greed and selfishness are not natural human characteristics and these should begin to disappear in a society which exists to benefit all people and not just a small business owning elite.

Although such a state has never yet been fully been achieved I can't see why it can't be in the future as long as the left learns from the mistakes of the past and implements a fully democratic political system where the interests of all people would be represeneted. I believe that greed and selfishness are not natural human characteristics and these should begin to disappear in a society which exists to benefit all people and not just a small business owning elite.
Because we are humans … while I think a lot of the ideas proposed by communism is a good idea I don’t see us being able to apply it to humans … we with all our (seemingly) natural flaws just don’t like to maintain such a state for long

That's probably one of the reasons it was used - to blur the ambiguities inherent in this sort of statistic.

(Congratulations on your elevation!)
ignoring the averages did you notice that their is a higher percentage of men not having any sex? you could therefore argue that women are more promiscuous

I believe that greed and selfishness are not natural human characteristics
Ah. This would be where we differ. In my view, a workable system has to account for greed and selfishness. I would think greed and selfishness are innate human characteristics, part of the natural range of variation in evolved behavioral strategies. After all, greed and selfishness are hardly specific to humans. They can be seen across the spectrum. I would then assume they could never be removed without a massive change to people themselves or by replacing people in the system entirely.

ignoring the averages did you notice that their is a higher percentage of men not having any sex? you could therefore argue that women are more promiscuous
I think that's a little harsh on women. I would set the promiscuity thresheld a tad higher than one sexual partner in a lifetime. I'd rather characterise the results as further evidence that men are sadder than women. :(

Mind you of course, the headline result,: "Men Report Having More Sexual Partners Than Women", could easily have been followed by the sub-heading, "Sensible People Everwhere Fail To Draw Any Great Conclusions From This".

I think that's a little harsh on women. I would set the promiscuity thresheld a tad higher than one sexual partner in a lifetime. I'd rather characterise the results as further evidence that men are sadder than women. :(

Mind you of course, the headline result,: "Men Report Having More Sexual Partners Than Women", could easily have been followed by the sub-heading, "Sensible People Everwhere Fail To Draw Any Great Conclusions From This".
i wasn't stating opinion, i was just ppointing out that these statistics can be presented in any way to suit the opinions of those who presnt them. which fits very well with your 2nd point.

do it... do it... do it...

For some reason I want to post something that might get be deated again. How odd. :confused:

And wow, I've just realised how bad my spelling is getting.

Ah. This would be where we differ. In my view, a workable system has to account for greed and selfishness. I would think greed and selfishness are innate human characteristics, part of the natural range of variation in evolved behavioral strategies. After all, greed and selfishness are hardly specific to humans. They can be seen across the spectrum. I would then assume they could never be removed without a massive change to people themselves or by replacing people in the system entirely.

There is no standard human nature which has existed in all societies and I believe attitudes such as selfishness are mainly a result of the conditions within the society where people live. Although Darwinism applies to most animal species it has not always been present among humans who have a more advanced understanding of society. As the economic systems change so do the conditions which are the main factor which determines the attitudes people hold.

There is no standard human nature which has existed in all societies and I believe attitudes such as selfishness are mainly a result of the conditions within the society where people live. Although Darwinism applies to most animal species it has not always been present among humans who have a more advanced understanding of society. As the economic systems change so do the conditions which are the main factor which determines the attitudes people hold.
You're wrong. Read "The Blank Slate" by Steven Pinker. It provides a strong case for a genetically hard-wired human nature.

There is no standard human nature which has existed in all societies and I believe attitudes such as selfishness are mainly a result of the conditions within the society where people live. Although Darwinism applies to most animal species it has not always been present among humans who have a more advanced understanding of society. As the economic systems change so do the conditions which are the main factor which determines the attitudes people hold.
But greed or selfishness seems enharent in the human condition even down to our young exhibit tendancies to hord or desire for themselfs even before taught to do so (ever see a kid with a toy ... even his first toy ever when another kid tryes to play with it)

We can logicaly understand it but I dont think we can get large groups to follow it
(trying to remember where I got this quote) "yes individuals are smart ... people are stupid" (paraphrased)

Awesome, we've turned a troll-seeming post about giving all males vasectomies into a debate on human nature.
INTELLIGENCE TRIUMPHS AGAIN!!!
:p

Awesome, we've turned a troll-seeming post about giving all males vasectomies into a debate on human nature.
INTELLIGENCE TRIUMPH AGAIN!!!
:p
Whoa, this is weird. How the hell did this happen? Usually threads go the other way.

Awesome, we've turned a troll-seeming post about giving all males vasectomies into a debate on human nature.
INTELLIGENCE TRIUMPHS AGAIN!!!
:p
She wanted serious debate … but she did not want to participate in it herself so we eventually got around to one (at least human nature is close)

I already have a vasectomy.

I also have full custody of all my children from my previous marriages.

I win!

There is no standard human nature which has existed in all societies and I believe attitudes such as selfishness are mainly a result of the conditions within the society where people live.
There is no single standard human nature, of course. There is, as I said, a range of strategies, but humans from other societies hardly behave as incomprehensible aliens, right? People are people.

Although Darwinism applies to most animal species it has not always been present among humans who have a more advanced understanding of society.
IMO, it is just as present as it has always been. All that has changed are the selection criteria, and possibly the rates.

As the economic systems change so do the conditions which are the main factor which determines the attitudes people hold.
But what determines the range of attitudes upon which the selections can act? What determines which economic systems are viable and which ones rot? The way people actually think and how closely those systems model it.

your use of the "word" womyn is flawed. there is no difference between singular and plural. perhaps you should use 'womun' as a singular.


Perhaps this incorrect use of the letter "Y" is a due to jealousy of the lack of the Y chromosone in women....


or perhaps its a neo-feminist ploy to remove the word men from the word women. highly childish when you consider the origin of a word.

Men reffering to to Humen (the plural now being Humans) and as such a pan-gender term not reffering to a single gender specifically.

woman being simply a contraction of wombed man, a man with a womb. Thus making the "womyn" spelling in either the singular or the plural uttertly pointless

Lesbians spell women...womyn. Just so you know.

"some" Lesbians spell it that way. I know a couple that don't-but then, they're Literate, and one of them is a professional writer (open market, not Academia)

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!
Look!! Someone's act slipped a little then!

(I'm sorry if anyone's already posted this, but I don't have time to read through 21 pages - I have read the first seven though, so I have tried!)

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!
i'd like to point out that sex is only healthy within marriage, if u think i'm nuts read 1Corinthians 5-7, i no it's long, but it's very good. if u still think i'm nuts, then tell me and i'll pray for u. if u STILL think i'm nuts, then all i can say is Jesus loves u, and i hope u realise that sometime before u die.

Look!! Someone's act slipped a little then!

(I'm sorry if anyone's already posted this, but I don't have time to read through 21 pages - I have read the first seven though, so I have tried!)
Did not even see that :p

Look!! Someone's act slipped a little then!

(I'm sorry if anyone's already posted this, but I don't have time to read through 21 pages - I have read the first seven though, so I have tried!)

Go you, I got as far as page four before giving up.

i'd like to point out that sex is only healthy within marriage, if u think i'm nuts read 1Corinthians 5-7, i no it's long, but it's very good. if u still think i'm nuts, then tell me and i'll pray for u. if u STILL think i'm nuts, then all i can say is Jesus loves u, and i hope u realise that sometime before u die.
But to take the first proof I have to believe in devine creation to the bible ... the second you are welcome to do as you wish :) I wont stop you ... the third I would have to believe in life after death and Jesus as the son of god. and I probably wont before I die :) gods falt for not building in me the capability ;)

i'd like to point out that sex is only healthy within marriage, if u think i'm nuts read 1Corinthians 5-7, i no it's long, but it's very good. if u still think i'm nuts, then tell me and i'll pray for u. if u STILL think i'm nuts, then all i can say is Jesus loves u, and i hope u realise that sometime before u die.Would you like to take over for Jesussaves?

Womyn. Interesting.

*goes off to do brief survey*

Hmmm... only 1 out of 8 people failed to recognize what the word was, so i may start using this beautiful spelling... unless it has some hidden meaning that i don't know about?

She spells women as womyn because the first spelling includes the word "men" in it...whereas womyn has independence from men

Perhaps this incorrect use of the letter "Y" is a due to jealousy of the lack of the Y chromosone in women....

Is the Y chromosone not just a historically mutated form of the X chromosone?


or perhaps its a neo-feminist ploy to remove the word men from the word women. highly childish when you consider the origin of a word.


Hardly neo-feminist: the word has been in use since the 70's.

woman being simply a contraction of wombed man, a man with a womb.

Nonsense: the word 'woman' comes from 'wif-mann' meaning 'wife-person'.

My 1st HerPower thread! Yay!

i'd like to point out that sex is only healthy within marriage, if u think i'm nuts read 1Corinthians 5-7, i no it's long, but it's very good. if u still think i'm nuts, then tell me and i'll pray for u. if u STILL think i'm nuts, then all i can say is Jesus loves u, and i hope u realise that sometime before u die.

But, marriage is just another tool that the Patriofacists use to oppress womyn. Marriage was originaly just a means for a man to own a women as property.



:p Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
It is partially true, however.

But, marriage is just another tool that the Patriofacists use to oppress womyn. Marriage was originaly just a means for a man to own a women as property.
And for h4x0rz, marriage is just another way for a m4/\/ to pwn his chixx0r

i'd like to point out that sex is only healthy within marriage, if u think i'm nuts read 1Corinthians 5-7, i no it's long, but it's very good. if u still think i'm nuts, then tell me and i'll pray for u. if u STILL think i'm nuts, then all i can say is Jesus loves u, and i hope u realise that sometime before u die.
Jesus doesn't like people who can't spell "you"

Jesus doesn't like people who can't spell "you"
In Soviet Russia, word spells you!

Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child.

sorry to be blunt but thats absolute bollocks (sorry for the pun ;) )


the longer the man's vasectomy has been done the less chance of revering it being successful is - if I remember rightly from when I was a student nurse (am from mental health branch so we dont cover it in that) after 5 years the seccess rate drops to almost nil

it's women like you (I assume you are female) that give the rest of us a bad name

get some facts and stop being a muppet

I gotta question for yall, who's crazier, Jesussaves or HerPower?

I gotta question for yall, who's crazier, Jesussaves or HerPower?
That should be a poll. You should start a new thread with that one.

Lesbians spell women...womyn. Just so you know.

Rubbish.

Lesbian separatists might ....but I certainly don't

Holy crap! How did I miss this one! It's freakin' huge!

Let me just say:

SEXIST! BIGOT!

You are not a feminist, you are a loon. And a troll.

muppet
I love that word.

Mad+puppet in this case:)

That is because the GDR or any of the other corrupt dictatorships which existed around the world have never achieved a true Socialist or Communist society and they were closer to a form of state capitalism. I do believe that in a genuine democratic Socialist or Communist society womyn would eventually achieve complete equality although this is unlikely in an authoritarian society like the USSR or the GDR where one party had too much power and often didn't take the interests of working people into account.
Looks like HerPower has found herself a friend...

I thought you were kidding with your womyn spelling, but I see you do it all through. Wow.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

That's adorable! And here I'd always thought that "castrating bitch" was just a figure of speech.

Rubbish.

Lesbian separatists might ....but I certainly don't

Dont ya just LOVE generalisations... :rolleyes:

She wanted serious debate … but she did not want to participate in it herself so we eventually got around to one (at least human nature is close)

Oh she participated. She stuck to her guns. But then she had to go. But she will return I am sure... It was quite interesting debating the topic with her. :)

I know many people here don't like what I have to say, and I'm sorry about that, but this is just my opinion. Some of you have made fun of my spelling, not just the way I spell womyn, but I am typing fast and I'm sorry if I am making mistakes. I don't usually spell this poorly. I tend to get upset and maybe don't explain myself well, but since I've been here, people have attacked me over and over and very few have seemed willing to even discuss these ideas. I don't know why they bother to respond to the thread if that is the case.

Anyway, I have to go to class now, but I will come back later and hopefully I can find the real questions in the middle of all the hateful comments.
I think you'll find I tried to engage you in intelligent debate about the role of young women and girls in rural communities in Tanzania, but you declined to acknowledge my posts.

I was becoming bored, I was thinking "maybe I won't come to the forum so much from now on" and then I found a Herpower thread. Amazing entertainment to be had once again. Only problem is she seems to have gone away for a time.

Patriofascism Patriofascism
Hallowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
Til men rule earth again.

I find it ironic that it [HerPower's country] uses females as a currency.
Finally!! Someone who gets irony - it's ironic if the double meaning is unintentional. Woo-hoo!!!

Isn't that satire?

ira when you get to this, go to the nation states forum international incidents and read http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=405429 and also the ones that begin with [earth ii] and have my name in it


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*sings* Bu-hu-hull-shi-iit!
I know a lot of people who grew up in the socialist GDR. Neither men nor women behave any other than those who were raised in the democratic FRG. So, nice theory, but the facts prove you wrong.
True. Actually the single biggest guilty party for the role of women (and many other social ills) is God. Most other religions were not only accepting of others' beliefs, but they also had many gods, more often than not with a goddess at the head. Islam, Christianity and Judaism destroyed many of these societies, and replaced them with an exclusive, male-dominated society.

Obviously it's a lot more complicated than that, but it sums it up pretty nicely.

all I can say to this "HerPower", to quote a really good movie, "Keep your hands off my genitals..." (Just so you know, its from the begining of Eurotrip)

Oh she participated. She stuck to her guns. But then she had to go. But she will return I am sure... It was quite interesting debating the topic with her. :)
Well, she stuck to her guns, but she was just spouting bollycks - she wasn't actually listening to anyone else's arguments.

Isn't that satire?
No, satire is intentional.

Go ask a bureaucrat every time you want to have sex :P

Imagine the lines...

See and those are the women to hit on, the ones in the lines, because you know they give up the goods, unlike all those faithful women HerPower keeps talking about.

Well, she stuck to her guns, but she was just spouting bollycks - she wasn't actually listening to anyone else's arguments.

She's had her baptism of fire and come through it: I do actually look forward to her return and continued input.

No, satire is intentional.

And you don't think HerPower making a nation that uses females for currency is HerPower satirizing actual nations?

Also, since men are more promiscuous than womyn, and the ones who spread terrible STDs, they should be tested twice a year and given some sort of proof of their disease free status.
Excuse me? You claim you're acting in the name of equality, but you've immediately compromised that goal through the use of stereotyping. If men are the ones spreading diseases, who are the spreading them with? If you're refering to homosexuals, then, it isn't a problem for the women.

Equality generally consists of, y'know, equality.

Just thought I should mention that Vasectomies arn't always reversable, and reversing one does carry a hefty failure rate after a certain number of years.
vasectomies (http://www.vasectomy.com/ArticleDetail.asp?ArticleId=5&DoctorId=3)

I already have a vasectomy.

I also have full custody of all my children from my previous marriages.

I win!

HA

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

I thought Jesussaves was bad, at least he is Christian.

I read the first 3 pages of this thread, and decided that the subject is complete crap, if not amusing. There's no evidence that men cheat on their girlfriends/wives more than women cheat on their boyfriends/husbands.
The whole thing about the vasectomy...wtf? Yer gonna take the right of choice from every man in the United States? Who're you calling a fascist, hmm? Why not have compulsory tubal ligation's instead of, or maybe with, compulsory vasectomies?

As to vasectomies being reversable...
Yes, the procedure may work, but what if it fails? What if a man and a woman want to have kids, but can't because of a failed procedure? Then, I'd suppose you'd totally get owned with a sniper bullet or somethin'.

According to you, it's basically only the man's fault when an unwanted pregnancy is aroused. I guess then that there was no way for the woman to convince the man to use a condom, or any other birth control device? I'm not saying that the woman would have to use birth control pills, but there are obviously a few choices when going into that field.

I think that you just finally snapped and need to understand that you're a social defect, as are all you crazy, radical feminists. I'm not at all saying feminism is a bad thing, but every time I hear or read something like this nonsense, it makes me feel like pummeling small animals.

This post was a dry read-through (yes, I gave up on page 20).

The whole "womyn" business is just petty, an utterly ridiculous notion.
It doesn't change anything, and it makes your spelling look like crap.

There should be gender equality, yes, but vasectomy.. how is that equal? I fail to see (I'm probably just dim, though :p).
I hope it doesn't surprise anyone, that I have no feasible solution that this problem. I doubt anyone has (and whoever said that there even was a single solution to even part of this?).

The gender inequality problem is, from my point of view, a question of mentality,
and mentality is something that, to some extent, is a personal thing, and one that cannot be stereotyped like that. We're all different.
I'm not any better myself. Actually, I've declared myself a hypocrite (trust me, it makes a lot of things so much easier), and I make stereotypes myself.
I believe I know from somewhere, that people make stereotypes because they simply can't handle not knowing, they have to know, so they make it up. I've got an excellent example of such foolishness. It's called religion.
Stereotypes will always be there because they're part of human nature - and stereotypes would allow for ultimate solutions such as HerPower's proposal.

HerPower; if you want to change anything, get into politics. Oh, wait, that's right - in politics you'll be opressed because of your gender. Well, women did break out of the kitchen, so why not break into politics? You've to start somewhere.

In Denmark, women cannot be drafted into military service.

So there; no ultimate solution.

Also, I'd like to note that I'm a 17 year old Danish student. (My age, ignorance and nationality bundled with my hypocrisy will be my cover for bad spelling and failed logic!)

I laugh at your penis envy silly little flabby buttocked girl.


Really though, you ARE jesusaves and I love you for it!

I laugh at your penis envy silly little flabby buttocked girl.


Really though, you ARE jesusaves and I love you for it!
ROFLMAO :D

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!
Stay away from my nuts. You sicken me. And why should men have to get their stuff mutilated? Why not give the equivelant procedure to women?

The facists of the patriarchy, the ones who actively oppress womyn with their laws and attittudes.
Oh please

I oppress women with my penis.

HERPOWER!

YOU GET YOUR ASS BACK IN THE KITCHEN!!

sheesh. And she wonders why i connected the bedroom to the kitchen...

i apologize for my silly woman wyfe....or waif....or wahtever the hell shes calling herself...or Hyerself....

wow I can't belive I just read all 24 pages well all I have to say is hahahahhahahahhaah your not touching me anytime soon

HERPOWER!

YOU GET YOUR ASS BACK IN THE KITCHEN!!

sheesh. And she wonders why i connected the bedroom to the kitchen...

i apologize for my silly woman wyfe....or waif....or wahtever the hell shes calling herself...or Hyerself....
Mayke mye a sandwish womyn!

yeah herpower!

make me some dinner while i go sleep with your best friends and the neighbor and...god theres gotta be a million womaynmen out there! and im just so SEX CRAZY!


(Drools and foams) I. MUST. HAVE. SEX.

Damnit.
I take my time writing a sensible post, and then the fucking post is devoid of any rational discussion.

I just read the whole entire thread :D (but I did skim a few posts)

I wonder how i'd get along with this "herpower" person? http://img227.exs.cx/img227/8438/pimp4tq.gif :D

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

Psycho.... You never heard of condoms eh?

I thought Jesussaves was bad, at least he is Christian.

At least he is 'forgiven' :D

But then we'd have a world full of hair stylists and interior designers.

:D

Yep. But on the other hand, without women, man would have had no reason to invent alcohol...

Yep. But on the other hand, without women, man would have had no reason to invent alcohol...
What is this nonsense?? How can you say such terrible things!?!? :p

What is this nonsense?? How can you say such terrible things!?!? :p

Fact: In the bible, alcohol is not mentioned until after Eve is created. :D

HERPOWER!

YOU GET YOUR ASS BACK IN THE KITCHEN!!

sheesh. And she wonders why i connected the bedroom to the kitchen...

i apologize for my silly woman wyfe....or waif....or wahtever the hell shes calling herself...or Hyerself....
LOL! *gives Jhenova a cookie*

http://www.allenmugs.com/beads/cookie.jpg

Also, since men are more promiscuous than womyn, and the ones who spread terrible STDs, they should be tested twice a year and given some sort of proof of their disease free status. This would be a good way to stop the spread of diseases that take a terrible toll on the health care system. Vasectomies and STD testing would still be cheaper than raising unwanted children by the state.

Ok femnazi, how bout you insult my gender some more? As a matter of fact, women spread STDs just as often as men do.

As someone said, get back in the kitchen. You're personally setting women's rights back twenty years by just posting this bullshit.

Ok femnazi, how bout you insult my gender some more? As a matter of fact, women spread STDs just as often as men do.

As someone said, get back in the kitchen. You're personally setting women's rights back twenty years by just posting this bullshit.

Read this thread first man
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=405669

Ridiculous I know but at least she spurred the mods to cracking down on puppets a bit.