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The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

You sure this is in the correct forum?

And are you sure that's how you spell "womyn"?

Also, since men are more promiscuous than womyn, and the ones who spread terrible STDs, they should be tested twice a year and given some sort of proof of their disease free status. This would be a good way to stop the spread of diseases that take a terrible toll on the health care system. Vasectomies and STD testing would still be cheaper than raising unwanted children by the state.

You sure this is in the correct forum?

And are you sure that's how you spell "womyn"?
This is the general forum, right? And yes, this is how I spell womyn.

Patriofascist?

Patriofascist?

Those possessing the faces (beards) of the fathers?

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

Just when i thought you couldnt get any more ridiculous you go and top yourself.... well done!

Patriofascist?
The facists of the patriarchy, the ones who actively oppress womyn with their laws and attittudes.

In modern days, though, pregnancy is more a tool of women to gain power over men. The legal requirement for financial support can make or break.

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women.
That was the funniest sentence I read today.
This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child.
Wait, vasectomies are reversible?
If so, cool.

long been a tool
*chuckles like an adolescent*

Long!

*chuckles again*

Tool!!

*chuckles uncontrollably*

The facists of the patriarchy, the ones who actively oppress womyn with their laws and attittudes.

What is a facist?

This is the general forum, right? And yes, this is how I spell womyn.
Womyn. Interesting.

*goes off to do brief survey*

Hmmm... only 1 out of 8 people failed to recognize what the word was, so i may start using this beautiful spelling... unless it has some hidden meaning that i don't know about?

I think you might be paranoid.

Just when i thought you couldnt get any more ridiculous you go and top yourself.... well done!
Surely this method is even cheaper than the cost of womyn's birth control? Don't men too want to be free of the fear of impregnating a womyn? this way no one can be tricked into pregnancy or forced into it, or have it happen by accident. When the man and womyn are ready to have children, the procedure can be reversed until they are done having them!

Uh... that seems a little... unbalanced? And erm... obsessive?

When the man and womyn are ready to have children, the procedure can be reversed until they are done having them!
Hmm, having children in reverse. A novel idea...

Oh god, someone please kill me.

The facists of the patriarchy, the ones who actively oppress womyn with their laws and attittudes.

Is there a logical rationality for calling them fascists or is that just an emotive buzzword?

your use of the "word" womyn is flawed. there is no difference between singular and plural. perhaps you should use 'womun' as a singular.

Surely this method is even cheaper than the cost of womyn's birth control? Don't men too want to be free of the fear of impregnating a womyn? this way no one can be tricked into pregnancy or forced into it, or have it happen by accident. When the man and womyn are ready to have children, the procedure can be reversed until they are done having them!

You want to know why I wouldnt want to be forced to have a vasectomy for no reason? If you dont know the answer already I dont think theres anything i can say that would satisfy you.

Here's some advice: You'd do a lot more to advance to cause of feminism if you'd just shut up.

Oh god, someone please kill me.
At last!!

A stoning on NS. Now, where's me whistle?

Also, since men are more promiscuous than womyn, and the ones who spread terrible STDs, they should be tested twice a year and given some sort of proof of their disease free status. This would be a good way to stop the spread of diseases that take a terrible toll on the health care system. Vasectomies and STD testing would still be cheaper than raising unwanted children by the state.

I think that STD testing should be strongly encouraged for both sexes, although compulsory testing may be taking things a little too far.

The idea of compulsory vasectomies, though, is crazy. There is no way that you will persuade more than a tiny proportion of people to have vasectomies. I suspect that giving the entire male population vasectomies will cost the NHS a great deal more than abortions and unwanted pregnancy, too.


Also, I would just like to note that your concept of men being 'more promiscuous' doesn't appear to be based off any facts. Could you show some statistics to back this up?

Is there a logical rationality for calling them fascists or is that just an emotive buzzword?
Their intent is to keep the patriarchy going by whatever means possible, oppressing womyn and forcing us into second citizen status. They use their politics, their violence and their religion to do this.

You want to know why I wouldnt want to be forced to have a vasectomy for no reason? If you dont know the answer already I dont think theres anything i can say that would satisfy you.

Here's some advice: You'd do a lot more to advance to cause of feminism if you'd just shut up.
You don't think she's OOC, do you? Shirley not?

My body, my choice. No vasectomy.

Their intent is to keep the patriarchy going by whatever means possible, oppressing womyn and forcing us into second citizen status. They use their politics, their violence and their religion to do this.
Hmm, you mean their political apathy, their general ambivalence and their agnosticism, surely?

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

Umm we have this option... for pregnancy free healthy sex it's called being gay!!! what are you opinions there is no need for a vecectomies so its cheaper.

your use of the "word" womyn is flawed. there is no difference between singular and plural. perhaps you should use 'womun' as a singular.

See also 'fish' and 'sheep'.

Umm we have this option... for pregnancy free healthy sex it's called being gay!!! what are you opinions there is no need for a vecectomies so its cheaper.
Rejoice!!

We shall all go forth and bat for the other team!!!

You want to know why I wouldnt want to be forced to have a vasectomy for no reason? If you dont know the answer already I dont think theres anything i can say that would satisfy you.

Here's some advice: You'd do a lot more to advance to cause of feminism if you'd just shut up.
Why wouldn't you want a vacectomy? It is a safe procedure, and until you are ready to have children, you are free to enjoy your sex life without fear! It is good for men and womyn, and it would stop the number of abortions and abandoned children! Are you so selfish that you think only the womyn should have to worry abotu pregnancy?

Also, since men are more promiscuous than womyn, and the ones who spread terrible STDs, they should be tested twice a year and given some sort of proof of their disease free status. This would be a good way to stop the spread of diseases that take a terrible toll on the health care system. Vasectomies and STD testing would still be cheaper than raising unwanted children by the state.

SO let me get this straight... men are more promiscuous with ... who? Since the women are faithful don't sleep around...

You don't think she's OOC, do you? Shirley not?

OOC?

Their intent is to keep the patriarchy going by whatever means possible, oppressing womyn and forcing us into second citizen status. They use their politics, their violence and their religion to do this.
Because we all know every single man on Earth wants to oppress women!
Oh, and somehow spelling it "womyn" is going to change something, i'm not sure quite what yet, but it will! It will!

Why wouldn't you want a vacectomy? It is a safe procedure, and until you are ready to have children, you are free to enjoy your sex life without fear! It is good for men and womyn, and it would stop the number of abortions and abandoned children! Are you so selfish that you think only the womyn should have to worry abotu pregnancy?
My body, my choice. If I was sexually active, I'd get one, but I'm not. As such, I don't need one. You have no right to force this on me.

OOC?
Out of character, ie, being herself

SO let me get this straight... men are more promiscuous with ... who? Since the women are faithful don't sleep around...
Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.

SO let me get this straight... men are more promiscuous with ... who? Since the women are faithful don't sleep around...
She must be talking about gay men. Heterofascist.

Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.
So then if the majority of women are faithful, the question still stands. Who exactly are the men sleeping with?

I suppose they're all secretly gay or something...

Out of character, ie, being herself

Well i dont know. I thought she must be a parody at first but then you see all the fascists, extreme christians etc, that NS gets and she fits right in so who knows?

Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.
You've never been to university, have you?

My body, my choice. If I was sexually active, I'd get one, but I'm not. As such, I don't need one. You have no right to force this on me.
But you will likely be sexually active at some point. The operation would be done at puberty, and for some men, never be reversed if they did not want to father children.

Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.

So explain to me who they sleep with while they're busy spreading STDs... it takes 2 to be promiscuous - and if all men cheat on theyre partners - who are they cheating on them with, since women don't sleep around...

Womyn. Interesting.

*goes off to do brief survey*

Hmmm... only 1 out of 8 people failed to recognize what the word was, so i may start using this beautiful spelling... unless it has some hidden meaning that i don't know about?

Lesbians spell women...womyn. Just so you know.

Well i dont know. I thought she must be a parody at first but then you see all the fascists, extreme christians etc, that NS gets and she fits right in so who knows?
Maybe if I ask her to spend the night I'll find out...

Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.
You clearly haven't been to my hall.

Hell, it's a femanist Jesusaves! Who can't speel, or carn't be bothered....

And HerPower thanks for this, I needed a laugh.

Why wouldn't you want a vacectomy? It is a safe procedure, and until you are ready to have children, you are free to enjoy your sex life without fear! It is good for men and womyn, and it would stop the number of abortions and abandoned children! Are you so selfish that you think only the womyn should have to worry abotu pregnancy?

When you put it like that, it sounds pretty selfish of us men. However, you are ignoring other forms of birth control which don't involve surgery. You are assuming that all men regularly have unprotected sex. You are assuming that the proportion of unwanted pregnancies is high enough to justify such measures.


Provide some facts to back up your argument. As it happens, I don't think there are very many abandoned children or abortions in this country. Prove me wrong.

But you will likely be sexually active at some point. The operation would be done at puberty, and for some men, never be reversed if they did not want to father children.
My body, my choice.

You've never been to university, have you?
I am in University right now, thank you very much. Go ahead and call me ignorant. If you can't see the oppression of womyn the way I do it is because you enjoy the fruits of the patriarchy and resist change!

See also 'fish' and 'sheep'.
but if 'women' is the root of 'womyn' why not change the word 'woman' too?
if that word isn't changed i'll be forced to oppress womyn with my use of it and every womAn who crosses my path will be accidentally be brought under the yoke of the patriarchy i am supposedly a part of.

So explain to me who they sleep with while they're busy spreading STDs... it takes 2 to be promiscuous - and if all men cheat on theyre partners - who are they cheating on them with, since women don't sleep around...
for many of those womyn, this cheating man will be their only partner.

If you can't see the oppression of womyn the way I do it is because you enjoy the fruits of the patriarchy and resist change!
"If you're not with me, you're against me!"
Classic tactic! Good one.

So explain to me who they sleep with while they're busy spreading STDs... it takes 2 to be promiscuous - and if all men cheat on theyre partners - who are they cheating on them with, since women don't sleep around...
It is possible that more men are promiscuous than women. But it must then follow that they are all cheating with the same women (sorry, womyn).

Therefore, there are less women being promiscuous, but they are being more promiscuous than the promiscuous men.

My God!!!

Prostitutes!!!!!

Lesbians spell women...womyn. Just so you know.
That's not so, it's a generalization.

Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.

That hilarious... any particular evidence? If I remember rightly it's more than women are being more sexually active now than men... (not to do with STD's) but thats just my educated mind remembering something I read a year or so back.

Would you like it if a man suggusted having all women neutered at puberty? I suspect not... think about it from the reverse angle.

Oh, and whats with the werid spellings...

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

no, fuck that, super fuck that, dont fuck with nature, im man who makes babies, its what i do, dont snip my cords

I am in University right now, thank you very much. Go ahead and call me ignorant. If you can't see the oppression of womyn the way I do it is because you enjoy the fruits of the patriarchy and resist change!
I try and get my recommended five daily portions of "fruit".

but if 'women' is the root of 'womyn' why not change the word 'woman' too?
if that word isn't changed i'll be forced to oppress womyn with my use of it and every womAn who crosses my path will be accidentally be brought under the yoke of the patriarchy i am supposedly a part of.

One of the strategies used in the 70's was to use 'womyn' as a singular form and 'wimmin' as a plural form.

How come I'm the only one worried by the still unexplained word 'facist'?

I am in University right now, thank you very much. Go ahead and call me ignorant. If you can't see the oppression of womyn the way I do it is because you enjoy the fruits of the patriarchy and resist change!

Of course. Everyone who's against you is utterly, utterly wrong without a hope of redemption. Just keep thinking like that and you'll go far.

for many of those womyn, this cheating man will be their only partner.

And this cheating man will be sleeping with who? Since women aren't promisucous.

It doesn't add up. Are all these men sleeping with each other? Because it takes 2 to have sex, and since there are basically balanced mumbers of each sex, it means that they are equally promisucous. Do the math!!!

for many of those womyn, this cheating man will be their only partner.
Don't you see the mathematical fallacy here?
Given that there are equal numbers of men and women, and given that the only one's who cheat are men, then that would dictate, that only a few men are having sex at all.

Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.

And who are these multiple partners that they wil have? It takes two to tango.

Where do they get the STDs from?

Vasectomised men will have no self interested reason to use condoms, hence an increase in STDs

Women are naturally as unfaithful as men. It is part of our nature as humans. We seek the best possibilities for our genes to survive, which means combining them with as many other sets of genes as possible. Fidelity in women is culturally created, by means I am sure that you, of all people, would be aware of. So stop arguing against yourself.

Originally Posted by HerPower
If you can't see the oppression of womyn the way I do it is because you enjoy the fruits of the patriarchy and resist change!
What are "the fruits of patriarchy"?

for many of those womyn, this cheating man will be their only partner.
You are an excellent question dodge.
Riddle me this, Batman:
If the majority(if not all) of men are promiscuous, as you seem to be saying, and a small minority of women are promiscuous, who do the men sleep with?
Are they all sleeping with the same group of women?
Somehow I dobt it.

For on who preaches "equality", you seem to advocate inequality at every turn.

werid spellings...

Irony.

Oh, and whats with the werid spellings...
i think its to get rid of the man in woman, because feminizm says its ok to be a poor speller

How come I'm the only one worried by the still unexplained word 'facist'?
Have you looked in the mirror lately?

Irony.
It's not irony if it was intended.

What are "the fruits of patriarchy"?

Tomatos and bananas probably

What are "the fruits of patriarchy"?

I'm guessing that they are bananas and that they function as phallic symbols indicating the possibility of possessing the phallus around which the patriarchal logophallocentric system rotates.



Then again, they could be plums.

Tomatos and bananas probably
Those and apples. :D

It's not irony if it was intended.

Damn. I normally add a question mark when I make that kind of post. This time I left it off - the one time it really should have been there. Curses.

i think its to get rid of the man in woman, because feminizm says its ok to be a poor speller
Not feminism, humanity.

(Excuse me... hymynity.)

One of the strategies used in the 70's was to use 'womyn' as a singular form and 'wimmin' as a plural form.

How come I'm the only one worried by the still unexplained word 'facist'?

I am not because just about everyone calls me one, simply because I am Intelligent Right wing.

Besides Fascist (along with Nazi (or Facist as she can't spell clearly) is a overly used insult for anyone of an authoritarian or right wing viewpoint.

Clearly she is a relic from the 70's then... :D

That's not so, it's a generalization.

I'm just speaking from my own experience. Of course not everyone does everything. That's like saying blondes are dumb because they are dumb.

My body, my choice.
A choice that is legally denied many womyn around the world...we are forbidden safe abortions. Your body, your choice? don't be a hypocrite. not when you deny the choice to womyn.

I'm guessing that they are bananas and that they function as phallic symbols indicating the possibility of possessing the phallus around which the patriarchal logophallocentric system rotates.
Perhaps it is actually the "assorted fruits and nuts of the patriarchy".
Bananas and walnuts.

:eek:
I just realized my banana bread recipe calls for walnuts! IT'S A PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSOR!

I'd better eat it really fast.

You are an excellent question dodge.
Riddle me this, Batman:
If the majority(if not all) of men are promiscuous, as you seem to be saying, and a small minority of women are promiscuous, who do the men sleep with?
Are they all sleeping with the same group of women?
Somehow I dobt it.


You are ignoring the fact that there are more women in the world than there are men, and so, all other things being equal (such as the proportion of exclusively homosexual men and women) then it is possible for males to be more promiscuous than females.

Imagine there are 3 women in the world and only 2 men: one man sleeps with one woman, and the other sleeps with two women. Thus the average man sleeps with 1.5 women, while the average woman sleeps with one man.

Surely this method is even cheaper than the cost of womyn's birth control? Don't men too want to be free of the fear of impregnating a womyn? this way no one can be tricked into pregnancy or forced into it, or have it happen by accident. When the man and womyn are ready to have children, the procedure can be reversed until they are done having them!

Theres a little thing called a condom. See what it is, is a little rubber tube that the guy puts over his weiner. And it collects the semen before it gets into the women uterus.

If you think I'm going to through two surgeries. One to turn off my pipes and another to turn them back on. Then I think you better keep on dreaming. Because I've been through 33 surgeries in my lifetime, and I'm not going through two more just because a woman can't remeber to take her damn pills! If she'll talke the damn pills, I'll wear the condom!

don't be a hypocrite. not when you deny the choice to womyn.
Ooh, a psychic! You can read his mind to tell he's not an abortion supporter!

Oh wait, what's that?
Right, you can't.
Perhaps Andaluciae is pro-choice? Perhaps you should ask him?

A choice that is legally denied many womyn around the world...we are forbidden safe abortions. Your body, your choice? don't be a hypocrite. not when you deny the choice to womyn.

Uh, as far as I know, the only abortions permitted in my country are safe... but ya know. I must be wrong :rolleyes: If a woman decides to sleep with someone, without taking precautions she HAS made a choice, that she doent care if she falls pregnant.

That hilarious... any particular evidence? If I remember rightly it's more than women are being more sexually active now than men... (not to do with STD's) but thats just my educated mind remembering something I read a year or so back.

Would you like it if a man suggusted having all women neutered at puberty? I suspect not... think about it from the reverse angle.

Oh, and whats with the werid spellings...
This is typical patriofacist propoganda, calling womyn sluts and saying they are the ones being promiscuous. Around the world, womyn are being murdered by husbands, sons, fathers for the suspicion of cheating, but th eman has always been free to sleep around as much as he want.s Womyn who enjoy sex are called whores, and men who are the real whores are admired. That attitude still hasn't changed even in our countries.

You are ignoring the fact that there are more women in the world than there are men
Because we all know Chinese parents prefer female babies!

:D

A choice that is legally denied many womyn around the world...we are forbidden safe abortions. Your body, your choice? don't be a hypocrite. not when you deny the choice to womyn.
Do you even know my position on abortion? No you don't. And you know what, my position has been that I CANNOT deny the right of a woman to choose whether they want an abortion or not. Abortion is your body, your choice. A vasectomy is my body, my choice.

Or are you implying that I should pay for others misdeeds?

And who are these multiple partners that they wil have? It takes two to tango.

Where do they get the STDs from?

Vasectomised men will have no self interested reason to use condoms, hence an increase in STDs

Women are naturally as unfaithful as men. It is part of our nature as humans. We seek the best possibilities for our genes to survive, which means combining them with as many other sets of genes as possible. Fidelity in women is culturally created, by means I am sure that you, of all people, would be aware of. So stop arguing against yourself.
Damn, overlooked that argument!

On the naturally unfaithful issue, this can be judged by the size of my, *ahem*, our testicles.

Observe that the gorilla has very small testicles. He is very faithful (as is his partner), and so does not need to compete with other males on sperm production.

The let's take the chimpanzee, who is the proud possessor of gargantuan nads. He is very unfaithful, and his multiple partners are utter whores.

I, however, have rather average-sized plums. I like to have a little taste of many of the dishes, but am likely to settle for a course that suits my palate best, as is my eventual partner.

I hope that makes sense.

may i point out that vasectomy is not a guaruntee. if you tie a knot in a biological channel it will try to counteract that by growing past the knot. this would result in unplanned pregnancies as well. also it is contrary to many religions to block the natural workings of nature. not only would you be oppressing we of the y chromosone but those whose beliefs are compromised by your strategy. Dingsbum.

no, fuck that, super fuck that, dont fuck with nature, im man who makes babies, its what i do, dont snip my cords
Yes, go around making babies and not caring for them. Force womyn to raise your unwanted children. selfish and irrisponsible

This is typical patriofacist propoganda, calling womyn sluts and saying they are the ones being promiscuous. Around the world, womyn are being murdered by husbands, sons, fathers for the suspicion of cheating, but th eman has always been free to sleep around as much as he want.s Womyn who enjoy sex are called whores, and men who are the real whores are admired. That attitude still hasn't changed even in our countries.

Perhaps you'd like to point out a single place in the post you replied to where he implied that there was anything wrong with women sleeping around. I didnt see it.

A choice that is legally denied many womyn around the world...we are forbidden safe abortions. Your body, your choice? don't be a hypocrite. not when you deny the choice to womyn.

So instead of fighting for the rights of women, you'ld rather take away the rights of men?

Because we all know Chinese parents prefer female babies!

:D

This has yet to make a significant dent on the statistics.

patriofacist

In the name of all things good, please at least try and spell 'faScist' correctly in the midst of your language reform.

This is typical patriofacist propoganda, calling womyn sluts and saying they are the ones being promiscuous. Around the world, womyn are being murdered by husbands, sons, fathers for the suspicion of cheating, but th eman has always been free to sleep around as much as he want.s Womyn who enjoy sex are called whores, and men who are the real whores are admired. That attitude still hasn't changed even in our countries.

Now, I consider myself an intelligent person. Should I be worried that I don't feel oppressed?

Ooo... a good replacement for "patriofacist" might be patriarchal, if you insist on using such an argument...

Yes, go around making babies and not caring for them. Force womyn to raise your unwanted children. selfish and irrisponsible

She was there too.

And who are these multiple partners that they wil have? It takes two to tango.

Where do they get the STDs from?

Vasectomised men will have no self interested reason to use condoms, hence an increase in STDs

Women are naturally as unfaithful as men. It is part of our nature as humans. We seek the best possibilities for our genes to survive, which means combining them with as many other sets of genes as possible. Fidelity in women is culturally created, by means I am sure that you, of all people, would be aware of. So stop arguing against yourself.
Men should be tested twice a year for STDs too to stop that probelm. Womyn are not allowed to be as unfaithful as men. for them it often means death or a beating at the least. Womyn and men should be free to both have as many partners as they want, but it has always been men who set the limits for womyn and set none for themselves.

A choice that is legally denied many womyn around the world...we are forbidden safe abortions. Your body, your choice? don't be a hypocrite. not when you deny the choice to womyn.
Since when has abortion been illegal?

This is typical patriofacist propoganda, calling womyn sluts and saying they are the ones being promiscuous. Around the world, womyn are being murdered by husbands, sons, fathers for the suspicion of cheating, but th eman has always been free to sleep around as much as he want.s Womyn who enjoy sex are called whores, and men who are the real whores are admired. That attitude still hasn't changed even in our countries.

I think I will show my fiance this, I think she'd piss herself laughing.

Hell, I am.

Anyone else?

Now, I consider myself an intelligent person. Should I be worried that I don't feel oppressed?



You're oppressed to the point that you don't even know your being oppressed. :)

Men should be tested twice a year for STDs too to stop that probelm. Womyn are not allowed to be as unfaithful as men. for them it often means death or a beating at the least. Womyn and men should be free to both have as many partners as they want, but it has always been men who set the limits for womyn and set none for themselves.

Are you laying down some rules on women now?

You're oppressed to the point that you don't even know your being oppressed. :)

Thats damn oppressed... :P

You are an excellent question dodge.
Riddle me this, Batman:
If the majority(if not all) of men are promiscuous, as you seem to be saying, and a small minority of women are promiscuous, who do the men sleep with?
Are they all sleeping with the same group of women?
Somehow I dobt it.

For on who preaches "equality", you seem to advocate inequality at every turn.
i am not dodgin I am trying to keep up with all the resopnses. obviously not all men are promiscuous past a certain age, but men will sleep with womyn of any age. so you have a small group of men sleeping around within a large population of womyn. It is possible for each of those womyn to have just one partner, but the men have many.

Hmm.. It's probably been stated already, but a vasectomy should not be considered reversible, because often, it is not. Sometimes things just don't work right, even if you gear all the wires up the way they used to be.

Just use condoms people.

Men should be tested twice a year for STDs too to stop that probelm. Womyn are not allowed to be as unfaithful as men. for them it often means death or a beating at the least. Womyn and men should be free to both have as many partners as they want, but it has always been men who set the limits for womyn and set none for themselves.

OK fine, howabout mandatory testing for both. How would you advertise it? Tattoos on the forhead or on the arm?

Thats damn oppressed... :P

The Marxists call it 'false consciousness'.

Men should be tested twice a year for STDs too to stop that probelm. Womyn are not allowed to be as unfaithful as men. for them it often means death or a beating at the least.
Not in the country I live in...

OK fine, howabout mandatory testing for both. How would you advertise it? Tattoos on the forhead or on the arm?

Go ask a bureaucrat every time you want to have sex :P

Imagine the lines...

Uh, as far as I know, the only abortions permitted in my country are safe... but ya know. I must be wrong :rolleyes: If a woman decides to sleep with someone, without taking precautions she HAS made a choice, that she doent care if she falls pregnant.
so the man is allowed to make a mistake but the womyn is the one who pays for the consequences. that is ridiculous and biased.

i am not dodgin I am trying to keep up with all the resopnses. obviously not all men are promiscuous past a certain age, but men will sleep with womyn of any age. so you have a small group of men sleeping around within a large population of womyn. It is possible for each of those womyn to have just one partner, but the men have many.

Not really, because the women will have to remain promiscuous for that every replensihing stock of young men.

Either way, men are going to be sleeping with an equal number of women as the women with men. It's MATH. (obviously give or take a minute percentage, to allow for minute differences in population...)

Also, since men are more promiscuous than womyn, and the ones who spread terrible STDs, they should be tested twice a year and given some sort of proof of their disease free status. This would be a good way to stop the spread of diseases that take a terrible toll on the health care system. Vasectomies and STD testing would still be cheaper than raising unwanted children by the state.
Ha. Unfortunately, the facts are against you on this one. Men may be more promiscuous than woMEN, but woMEN are far less likely to show signs of disease early on, and so spread their disease to many more people before they know they are sick. Men are kinda SOL in this department, since as soon as they get sick, they usually have something like a festering sore on their intimate parts.
Sorry about the capitalization, I couldn't help myself.

i am not dodgin I am trying to keep up with all the resopnses. obviously not all men are promiscuous past a certain age, but men will sleep with womyn of any age. so you have a small group of men sleeping around within a large population of womyn. It is possible for each of those womyn to have just one partner, but the men have many.
No, because that implies that men are more promiscuous than women, whereas you were saying that more men are promiscuous than women. Your argument now actually suggests that more women sleep around than men.

so the man is allowed to make a mistake but the womyn is the one who pays for the consequences. that is ridiculous and biased.

No, that's biology.

so the man is allowed to make a mistake but the womyn is the one who pays for the consequences. that is ridiculous and biased.
They both made a mistake.

so the man is allowed to make a mistake but the womyn is the one who pays for the consequences. that is ridiculous and biased.

so the woman is blameless if she has unprotected sex?!

Perhaps you'd like to point out a single place in the post you replied to where he implied that there was anything wrong with women sleeping around. I didnt see it.
that is not just the opinon of one, it is the opinoin of our whole society. the world looks at womyn that way as a whole even though individuals might think differently.

i think its to get rid of the man in woman, because feminizm says its ok to be a poor speller
lol

so the man is allowed to make a mistake but the womyn is the one who pays for the consequences. that is ridiculous and biased.
Er, if she chose not to take precautions then she also made a mistake.

Hey HerPower you nerver answered my question... since (accourding to you) all men want to lower womans rights and dominate them in the bed room.... what about homosexuals?? gay men have nothing to do with women, and lesbiens one is going to be dominate..... so answer me please!!! personal i think she is a pupet nation

So instead of fighting for the rights of women, you'ld rather take away the rights of men?
it is not denying the right sof man it is freeing him!

it is not denying the right sof man it is freeing him!
It's my choice to be freed or not to be freed. Not yours.

Since when has abortion been illegal?
Abortion is illegal in many countries around the world and it is illegal in some states in the US.

It's my choice to be freed or not to be freed. Not yours.

*applause*

it is not denying the right sof man it is freeing him!

So when a female has to undergo a medical procedure due to an unwanted pregnancy she is being oppressed, but when a male has to undergo a medical procedure due to the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy he is being freed?

it is not denying the right sof man it is freeing him!

You what?

You are deluded my dear...

Read your own posts and pray tell me how on earth men or even women for that matter would be free?

I think I will show my fiance this, I think she'd piss herself laughing.

Hell, I am.

Anyone else?
you laught about womyn being murderd? You are truly sick.

Abortion is illegal in many countries around the world and it is illegal in some states in the US.

Name a few. Just so we know you're talking fact, not drawing stats out the air...

I have no doubt you're right. But I just want to know that you know what you're talking about. And that you're opinion is based on fact all the way, not just the propognda you've obviously been pumped with

Are you laying down some rules on women now?
Don't be ridiculous you took my quote out of context. Society does not allow womyn to be unfaithful but it is okay for men to be. That is what I meant

it is not denying the right sof man it is freeing him!

To be even more promiscuous than you claim and spread more STD's?

you laught about womyn being murderd? You are truly sick.

You know, there is something disturbingly phallic about those long thrusting lines that HerPower uses to emphasise her posts.

you laught about womyn being murderd? You are truly sick.

Not really, I am laughing at you in actuality.

Abortion is illegal in many countries around the world and it is illegal in some states in the US.
And you live in?

OK fine, howabout mandatory testing for both. How would you advertise it? Tattoos on the forhead or on the arm?
If both womyn and men were tested they should have a health card that shows when they were last tested and whether they were clear of STDs.

Abortion is illegal in many countries around the world and it is illegal in some states in the US.
They're legal in all states of the US. Ever heard of Roe v. Wade and the fourteenth amendment?

The threat of pregnancy has long been a tool of the patriofacists to control and oppress women. When womyn could finally stand no more, birth control was developed to allow us to escape the constant fear of unwanted pregnancy and abandonment. However, these methods were created by the patriofacists themselves as a clever way of offering freedom with one hand and taking it away with the other. Methods like the IUD can have serious health consequences. The pill plays havoc with womyn's natural hormones. The more permanent surgical procedures are extreme and can have terrible health consequences. Over all it is the womyn's responsibility to avoid pregnancy, her life that is most affected by unwanted pregnancies. Men are free to enjoy sex with no fear, no alterting of their hormones, no consequences if a pregnancy occurs except sometimes financial.

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!
How would you stop pregnancy then?

Don't be ridiculous you took my quote out of context. Society does not allow womyn to be unfaithful but it is okay for men to be. That is what I meant

Which society? Amsterdam? Burundi? USA? Pitcairn Islands?

you laught about womyn being murderd? You are truly sick.
Someone yesterday started a thread claiming "HerPower" and "Jesussaves" are the same person. I am inclined to agree. This post (with correct spelling of women) is exactly like something Jesussaves would say, and the spelling mistakes are similar. A very clever troll, but a troll nonetheless.

it is not denying the right sof man it is freeing him!

If somebody started a thread advocating compulsory female vasectomies (I'm not sure if that's the proper name for it...) you would strongly disagree, right? Even though compulsory female vasectomies would set them free from the oppression of pregnancy.

so the woman is blameless if she has unprotected sex?!
the man already is blameless. This way neither could accidentally have sex resulting in a pregnancy. It would take the blame away from both.

If both womyn and men were tested they should have a health card that shows when they were last tested and whether they were clear of STDs.

Isn't that infringing civil rights a tad? People could just demand to see these card's for random reasons.

Maybe every bed should have a swipe station for these cards, and a big alarm if they have an STD, just so the other person knows... :rolleyes:

I really can't believe what I'm hearing here. I'm going to get lunch. I'll be back.

Someone yesterday started a thread claiming "HerPower" and "Jesussaves" are the same person. I am inclined to agree. This post (with correct spelling of women) is exactly like something Jesussaves would say, and the spelling mistakes are similar. A very clever troll, but a troll nonetheless.
Not really. A clever troll would make people think she is being serious. Whereas this is so daft everybody's just taking the piss.

the man already is blameless. This way neither could accidentally have sex resulting in a pregnancy. It would take the blame away from both.

So you're advocating not facing up to the consequences of poor decisions?

Sorry, I got a little lost... is the point that wome- womy- oh, that XX-chromosomed people should be allowed to sleep around as well, or that XY-chromosomed people should not? I gather it's the first, and if so, why not pour all the money that could be spent on birth control into developing a reliable, reversable procedure for rendering XXers sterile as well? I mean, if /everyone/ gets surgically hacked to bits... what, twice? Three times?... as an official policy, no one can really complain.

Right?

the man already is blameless. This way neither could accidentally have sex resulting in a pregnancy. It would take the blame away from both.
what, so neither of them should take any responsibility for pregnancy, STIs, HIV, the emotional heartache of discovering your partner is cheating on you...

If both womyn and men were tested they should have a health card that shows when they were last tested and whether they were clear of STDs.

Get tested at any clinic (many for free) and you can get one of those. Maybe if individuals accepted personal responsibility for thier own actions (sleeping w/ someone they barely know) there would be less of a problem.

But you'ld rather legislate away personal freedoms.

the man already is blameless. This way neither could accidentally have sex resulting in a pregnancy. It would take the blame away from both.

Not true: vasectomies have been known to naturally heal back to a fully functional state.

Actually, Abortion is (fortunatly or not, depending on your POV) legal in all 50 states (not sure about Guam etc. though) due to Roe v. Wade of 1973. You may have heard of it.

Personally, I think the most ironic thing is how HerPower is saying that men are Patriofascists (is that what she called us?) for having sex with women and possibly getting them "with child," a fairly avoidable circumstance most easily avoided by saying "no." If the woman says no and the guy keeps going "yes" then she can go "HELP!" and he'll be Bubba's Love Slave for 20-odd years for rape. But I digress. It's ironic because after stating that we're fascists for having consensual sex, she demands that every teenage boy has a vasectomy (I know I spelled that wrong, stay with me). What ever happened to "my body, my choice" that women, or at least feminists, are usually so up in arms about? Is it really "my body, so I get to oppress you and remove your choice?"

Name a few. Just so we know you're talking fact, not drawing stats out the air...

I have no doubt you're right. But I just want to know that you know what you're talking about. And that you're opinion is based on fact all the way, not just the propognda you've obviously been pumped with
Here is a link to where abortion is illegal in countries around the world:

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-1020.245-en.html

I meant to say that many people are trying to make abortion illegal again in the US

If somebody started a thread advocating compulsory female vasectomies (I'm not sure if that's the proper name for it...) you would strongly disagree, right? Even though compulsory female vasectomies would set them free from the oppression of pregnancy.
The operation to make a womyn infertile is much more complicated and irreversable than the operation a man can have. If you have a histerectomy you will have menopause earlier, and you can't reverse the surgery. A man can have his reversed.

Not true: vasectomies have been known to naturally heal back to a fully functional state.
this is so rare as to be laughable.

here's a few situations to consider:

a) a couple and another woman

Let's assume the man has slept with both his lover and the other woman. Let us also assume that the lover finds out about it. Either she's going to leave him because he's not worth her trust or she's going to stay with him and forgive him this time.

Do you think that in either case he'll be truly forgiven for what he did? In my society, she'd most likely leave him unless she had a really good reason (not talking about the man oppressing the woman either) to stay with him. He'd have one hell of a time explaining himself (and if they really are a couple, she Will find some suitable way of punishing him).

b) two couples
If one man sleeps with the other man's woman, do you think the other man is only going to be pissed at his wife/lover? I sure as hell would go and beat up the other guy first (if I couldn't manage to restrain myself).

c) a couple and another man

the woman goes off to sleep with another man... hmm... quite possible really, and most likely the first man is going to be pissed at both.


Well, I did leave out quite a bit, but my point is: it's not just the woman who gets the blame if she's unfaithful, the man too does get the blame and he sure as hell isn't admired by anyone. Know why? Because men don't like other men sleeping with their lovers and I bet that you women don't like us men sleeping with other women.

And please, the word womyn is woefully misspelled and constantly hurts my eyes for the simple fact that there is no way that that word can be pronounced in any meaningful way. Why don't we just say lady and gentleman from now on? it's more elegant afterall.

Here is a link to where abortion is illegal in countries around the world:

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-1020.245-en.html

I meant to say that many people are trying to make abortion illegal again in the US

Nice little backtrack you made there... not.

The operation to make a womyn infertile is much more complicated and irreversable than the operation a man can have. If you have a histerectomy you will have menopause earlier, and you can't reverse the surgery. A man can have his reversed.

Not true. Many vasectomies are irreversible. I cant beleive youre still pushing the vasectomies thing. What happened to my body, my choice?

HerPower, a word of advice.

Don't ever, ever ,ever have a child. Please! Don't! I shudder to think how the poor child will suffer its it turns out to be a boy. You might force the boy to go for a vascetomy....*shudders*


Don't procreate, go stay along in a nunnery or something, away from the world. Thank You.

HerPower, a word of advice.

Don't ever, ever ,ever have a child. Please! Don't! I shudder to think how the poor child will suffer its it turns out to be a boy. You might force the boy to go for a vascetomy....*shudders*


Don't procreate, go stay along in a nunnery or something, away from the world. Thank You.

And after all... why would you sleep with a man anyway? They're all promiscuous and disease-spreading... :rolleyes:

this is so rare as to be laughable.

It is rare, but you are making absolutist statements and so marginalising those incidents which surround the mainstream. In what way does this differ from fascism?

Actually, Abortion is (fortunatly or not, depending on your POV) legal in all 50 states (not sure about Guam etc. though) due to Roe v. Wade of 1973. You may have heard of it.

Personally, I think the most ironic thing is how HerPower is saying that men are Patriofascists (is that what she called us?) for having sex with women and possibly getting them "with child," a fairly avoidable circumstance most easily avoided by saying "no." If the woman says no and the guy keeps going "yes" then she can go "HELP!" and he'll be Bubba's Love Slave for 20-odd years for rape. But I digress. It's ironic because after stating that we're fascists for having consensual sex, she demands that every teenage boy has a vasectomy (I know I spelled that wrong, stay with me). What ever happened to "my body, my choice" that women, or at least feminists, are usually so up in arms about? Is it really "my body, so I get to oppress you and remove your choice?"
If they know how to say "no." In many countries they don't. They learn from society they they can't refuse sex, but if they say "yes" straight away then they are a prostitute. So they say "no", which really means "ask me a few more times and I'll capitulate". Then of course, boys learn that when a girl says "no" she really means "yes".

So the girls don't have a clue how to say "no". They can't get the tone of their voice or their body language right at all. I spent bloody ages in a Tanzanian primary school classroom trying to get the girls in a class to take part in role plays where they get to say "no" properly. It's really hard work.

Of course, the point that HerPower completely misses is that the boys are part of the solution too. You need to engage them and get them to understand that when they grow up it's not good to have six wives and let them do all the work and look after the children while they sit around drinking bamboo juice all day. And you're not going to achieve that by giving them the snip. Particularly, as has been pointed out, as that would make the problem of STIs and Aids in particular even worse - no one would use condoms then.

The operation to make a womyn infertile is much more complicated and irreversable than the operation a man can have. If you have a histerectomy you will have menopause earlier, and you can't reverse the surgery. A man can have his reversed.
but they don't always work i can't remeber how sucssful but in the nature of the poster HerPower here is one right out of my ass ......10% of reversals work..... any you still have not answered my questiong on the prevous post.... or could you not reed it... are you comptuer skills lacking?

And after all... why would you sleep with a man anyway? They're all promiscuous and disease-spreading... :rolleyes:


Well....she could go to a sperm bank......

HerPower, a word of advice.

Don't ever, ever ,ever have a child. Please! Don't! I shudder to think how the poor child will suffer its it turns out to be a boy. You might force the boy to go for a vascetomy....*shudders*


Don't procreate, go stay along in a nunnery or something, away from the world. Thank You.
You people are so hateful! I am just trying to suggest a solution to a very real problem! Why can't you see that womyn are still being oppressed and used as baby-machine or forced to take the consequences alone of unwanted pregnancies when the man is just as guilty? If I have children I will love them and teach them to respect both genders equally. I will not raise my son as so many do to sleep around and never care about it and I will not teach my daughter that she is a slut if she enjoys sex!

Here is a link to where abortion is illegal in countries around the world:

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-1020.245-en.html

I meant to say that many people are trying to make abortion illegal again in the US
You misspelt "womyn" in that link.

but they don't always work i can't remeber how sucssful but in the nature of the poster HerPower here is one right out of my ass ......10% of reversals work..... any you still have not answered my questiong on the prevous post.... or could you not reed it... are you comptuer skills lacking?
what was the question?

Well....she could go to a sperm bank......

Would the turkey baster need a "health card"? :)

You misspelt "womyn" in that link.

Brilliant! :p

Well....she could go to a sperm bank......

And touch man-juice? She'd never be clean again. After all, that man probably slept with more than one woman and the world's going to end... ¬_¬

You people are so hateful! I am just trying to suggest a solution to a very real problem! Why can't you see that womyn are still being oppressed and used as baby-machine or forced to take the consequences alone of unwanted pregnancies when the man is just as guilty? If I have children I will love them and teach them to respect both genders equally. I will not raise my son as so many do to sleep around and never care about it and I will not teach my daughter that she is a slut if she enjoys sex!
It's not a solution. You're merely suggesting that women should oppress men, instead of the other way around.

You misspelt "womyn" in that link.

...pure quality...

You people are so hateful! I am just trying to suggest a solution to a very real problem! Why can't you see that womyn are still being oppressed and used as baby-machine or forced to take the consequences alone of unwanted pregnancies when the man is just as guilty? If I have children I will love them and teach them to respect both genders equally. I will not raise my son as so many do to sleep around and never care about it and I will not teach my daughter that she is a slut if she enjoys sex!


Hateful? me? I have a great respect for women okay? Just not feminazis' like you....who frankly pose some kind of danger to society. Seriously go to a Nunnery...its the best solution for you.

It's not a solution. You're merely suggesting that women should oppress men, instead of the other way around.

In a truly egalitarian world women would oppress men on the basis of their gender and men would oppress women on the basis of their gender.

So, HerPower, do you intend to sleep around yourself? I'm fairly sure you've said that womeyauon are being opressed because they aren't allowed to. Do you think it will provide your children with a healthy home environment? Perhaps they can place bets on whether mummy or daddy can sleep with the most people in a week.

Of course, daddy will probably have had enforced surgery by then. Will mummy only sleep with people who've had the aforementioned surgery? Will she check first?

-- wow, actually, I wish I'd grown up in a house like that. It sounds like fun.

(Sorry, is 'mummy' an opressive word? Would you prefer us to say 'The All Powerful Womyn Of The House'? Only I think the kiddies would have trouble with that)

And touch man-juice? She'd never be clean again. After all, that man probably slept with more than one woman and the world's going to end... ¬_¬


Your right....oh well then I can sleep at night peacefully knowing that she will never procreate.

In a truly egalitarian world women would oppress men on the basis of their gender and men would oppress women on the basis of their gender.
She says tomato, I say tomato, let's call the whole thing oh shit, that does work when written down, does it?

Men should be tested twice a year for STDs too to stop that probelm. Womyn are not allowed to be as unfaithful as men. for them it often means death or a beating at the least. Womyn and men should be free to both have as many partners as they want, but it has always been men who set the limits for womyn and set none for themselves.

1) Men are promiscuous. They have sex with many partners.
2) Testing men twice a year for STDs wouyld stop the spread of them mpore effectively than condoms.

1 + 2 = contradiction.

Men have always been beaten and killed for being unfaithful as well, by your premises. Women have one partner. (All of them apparently) this partner denies them the pssibility of promiscuity. How. By beating the woman, maybe, but also by beating the other man. No gender difference here. Promiscuity = pain and death from your arguments, for everyone.

If I have children I will love them and teach them to respect both genders equally. I will not raise my son as so many do to sleep around and never care about it and I will not teach my daughter that she is a slut if she enjoys sex!

No you'll just teach them that women don't have to accept responsibility for their own actions, that it is mens' fault for all the ills in the world and that they should have a medical procedure done to them because they have the potential of being promiscous and spreading disease.

There's equality for you.

Your right....oh well then I can sleep at night peacefully knowing that she will never procreate.
Let's not get too personal, shall we?

She says tomato, I say tomato, let's call the whole thing oh shit, that does work when written down, does it?

Um... ever-so-nearly-but-not-quite? :p

what was the question?
i'l take that as a yes then, in a prevous post you said the gentalman want to opress ladies not only in the bed room but also in society, but what about homosexuals? gay gentalmen will have nothing to do with ladies and lesbians one of them will be dominate in bed.

Also should gay men have the vesectemity?

In a Matriarchy, people would have more respect for their bodies and form more loving relationships not just based on sex, like we seem to have now. I dont' think men and womyn should sleep around, but I do think a womyn should be able to enjoy sex without having gential mutilation, or constatnly being afraid of being pregnatn. In most countries, womyn still often die in childbirth so it is a life and death situation for them. In our countries this is not so serious anymore, but there are still consequences taht the womyn have to deal with while the men run off.

we should respell "men" and "man" as "myn"

that would really piss her off

Let's not get too personal, shall we?

My sincere apologies.

I was just making the point along with New Endenia that her views are contradictory and impractical

we should respell "men" and "man" as "myn"

that would really piss her off

I'm game...

In a Matriarchy, people would have more respect for their bodies and form more loving relationships not just based on sex, like we seem to have now.


Evidence for this assertion, if you please?

we should respell "men" and "man" as "myn"

that would really piss her off


Good idea! So now i'm a myn!

Evidence for this assertion, if you please?

blind faith? Its good enough for most people on NS.

i'l take that as a yes then, in a prevous post you said the gentalman want to opress ladies not only in the bed room but also in society, but what about homosexuals? gay gentalmen will have nothing to do with ladies and lesbians one of them will be dominate in bed.

Also should gay men have the vesectemity?
Why not? Men will claim to be gay to not get them which would defeat the purpose. Gay men are not part of the patriarchy. They are oppressed just as womyn are, but the operation would not damage them, it would be simple, and they probably wont want children anyway, so they should have even less of a problem with it than straight men.

The problem is that you forget the many other options out there.

If the man is responsible, he could wear a condom. If the woman doesn't want to take pills, she could tell the man that she'd only go to bed with him if he wears a condom. Now his choice is either condom or rape and I think a majority would choose the condom. Seeing as how rape would still exist with your solution, obviously the proposed solution doesn't present more problems than yours does. Did you know that just the plastic bit of the condom gives you a 99% chance of avoiding pregnancy? The only times anything bad happens is usually if the condom rips (an unfortunate possibility).

Hmm... but let's say the man has worn a condom and that failed anyway, the women isn't left pregnant, because pills can be taken the day after! and most likely you'd take them if you knew that the condom had ripped.

So with these less extreme solutions that work fine and even have numerous back-up systems (should you be really worried), why on earth would you want to force men into doing something which is generally unpleasant, costly and potentially dangerous (definitely more so than pills and condoms)?

I say you seem more like trying to impose your will upon us men here and in case you haven't noticed, we're on the defensive side.

(oh, and carrying a condom around with you isn't too hard if you're expecting to have sex... if you're not expecting to have sex, chances are you won't, but even then, does a condom really weigh that much? For that matter, the woman could carry a condom around too, in case the man "forgot", that wouldn't give him reasons to argue around using a condom).

In a Matriarchy, people would have more respect for their bodies and form more loving relationships not just based on sex, like we seem to have now. I dont' think men and womyn should sleep around, but I do think a womyn should be able to enjoy sex without having gential mutilation, or constatnly being afraid of being pregnatn. In most countries, womyn still often die in childbirth so it is a life and death situation for them. In our countries this is not so serious anymore, but there are still consequences taht the womyn have to deal with while the men run off.
A problem in many areas of the world, but not one that should be taken out on people on this board, as it is not a problem on my street, as far as I can tell.

While we're at it, I have extensive knowledge on the problem of Child Domestic Workers (ie housegirls) from the region of Iringa in southern Tanzania, and on the use of corporal punishment in Tanzanian primary schools and the different way boys and girls are treated at home in Hehe villages, if you fancy a grown-up conversation any time soon.

Why not? Men will claim to be gay to not get them which would defeat the purpose. Gay men are not part of the patriarchy. They are oppressed just as womyn are, but the operation would not damage them, it would be simple, and they probably wont want children anyway, so they should have even less of a problem with it than straight men.
I imagine quite a few do want kids...

Why not? Men will claim to be gay to not get them which would defeat the purpose. Gay men are not part of the patriarchy. They are oppressed just as womyn are, but the operation would not damage them, it would be simple, and they probably wont want children anyway, so they should have even less of a problem with it than straight men.
so let's deny them the choice, shall we?

we should respell "men" and "man" as "myn"

that would really piss her off
Nah, if she doesn't want the syllable "man" in any noun describing her, why not just use "bird" or "chick"?

HerPower: Solely responsible for the destruction of the human race.

How would that sound on a resume?

My sincere apologies.

I was just making the point along with New Endenia that her views are contradictory and impractical
No problem, it's just more fun to pick her argument apart piece by piece rather than take cheap shots.

Nah, if she doesn't want the syllable "man" in any noun describing her, why not just use "bird" or "chick"?
well, if men are known as "myn", she wont want to be using the oppressive patriarchal word "womyn"

...Hehe villages, if you fancy a grown-up conversation any time soon.

Sorry... but I have a childish side and found that amusing. Hehe.... :p

HerPower: Solely responsible for the destruction of the human race.

How would that sound on a resume?


Simply LOVELY! Although i was thinking 'Entirely Responsible For the Extinction of The Human Race.'

I say you seem more like trying to impose your will upon us men here and in case you haven't noticed, we're on the defensive side.
Some of us aren't even men, and we oppose her...
Like me, and I think some others.


BWO, are you a guy or a gal? Did I ask you that already yesterday?

I imagine quite a few do want kids...
Well then they could adopt the unwanted children from the vasectomies that everyone is saying would reverse themselves somehow. :D

BWO, are you a guy or a gal? Did I ask you that already yesterday?

Irrelevant to the matter at hand.

Simply LOVELY! Although i was thinking 'Entirely Responsible For the Extinction of The Human Race.'

It would be such a shame if no-one was left to read it :p

Irrelevant to the matter at hand.
Okay.

Why not? Men will claim to be gay to not get them which would defeat the purpose. Gay men are not part of the patriarchy. They are oppressed just as womyn are, but the operation would not damage them, it would be simple, and they probably wont want children anyway, so they should have even less of a problem with it than straight men.

How would men pretend to be gay? would there be a test for them to do?? acturaly I do want children one day...... i know it will be expensive (all that drink i would need to sleep with on.... ugh)

This would not stop rape, and it might not even stop STDs but it would slow down the spread of disease. As for rape, we need to castrate the men who rape. I don't believe in capital punishment. Once they're sexual drive is gone they can be useful members of society. They will not be able to dominate womyn sexually any more and they will learn to respecty womyn.

Men will have multiple partners and cheat on their girlfriends and wives, but the majority of womyn do not sleep around like that. It is this natural tendency to be unfaithful in men that spreads STDs so quickly.

No one has said it yet but it must be said. You, my friend, are a sexist biggot. You are also fairly looney.

The fabled quintuple-post!

No one has said it yet but it must be said. You, my friend, are a sexist biggot. You are also fairly looney.

Just a heads up, it's bigot, not biggot.

But a true comment...

This inequality must stop. Men should have vacectomies during puberty. It is a safe, simple procedure that can be reversed later in life when both the man and womyn decide to have a child. Surely this is cheaper than abortions, child care payments, abandonded children supported by the state? It would free both men and womyn from the fear of pregnancy, and allow them to enjoy healthy sex!

I'll keep my bollycks thynkyou vyry mych.

As for rape, we need to castrate the men who rape. ... They will not be able to dominate womyn sexually any more and they will learn to respecty womyn.

Ah so, in this new society genital mutilation will be used by one sex in order to teach the other to respect them. This is, of course, completley different from the society you are fighting against, wherein genital mutilation is used by one sex in order to teach the other to respect them. Yes?

castration has been attempted to amend the sex drives of rapists and they found that even if you remove the means, the drive is still there. Currently they are attributing this to a chemical imbalance in the brain.

castration has been attempted to amend the sex drives of rapists and they found that even if you remove the means, the drive is still there. Currently they are attributing this to a chemical imbalance in the brain.

Then we must remove the brain.

Ah so, in this new society genital mutilation will be used by one sex in order to teach the other to respect them. This is, of course, completley different from the society you are fighting against, wherein genital mutilation is used by one sex in order to teach the other to respect them. Yes?
No. Womyn are forced to have genital mutilation for no reason. Men would only be castrated for rape. They commit a violent crime and are punished appropriately for it.

It would be such a shame if no-one was left to read it :p


True...well Aliens could read it and find out how the Human Race died out.

This would not stop rape, and it might not even stop STDs but it would slow down the spread of disease. As for rape, we need to castrate the men who rape. I don't believe in capital punishment. Once they're sexual drive is gone they can be useful members of society. They will not be able to dominate womyn sexually any more and they will learn to respecty womyn.
And studies show that castration does not even slow down the rate of molestation nor halt the cause behind rape. (btw notice you spell woman with a y so it does not say man ... but your forum name has he in it ;) maybe you should be hyrpower)

No. Womyn are forced to have genital mutilation for no reason. Men would only be castrated for rape. They commit a violent crime and are punished appropriately for it.
what about forcing vasectomys?

like BWO said...
Ah so, in this new society genital mutilation will be used by one sex in order to teach the other to respect them. This is, of course, completley different from the society you are fighting against, wherein genital mutilation is used by one sex in order to teach the other to respect them. Yes?

Then we must remove the brain.

your username has never been so appropriate ! :p

castration has been attempted to amend the sex drives of rapists and they found that even if you remove the means, the drive is still there. Currently they are attributing this to a chemical imbalance in the brain.
I have heard the same

No. Womyn are forced to have genital mutilation for no reason.


No, there are reasons, they might be cultural and quite possibly invalid in your eyes, but there are reasons.

Men would only be castrated for rape. They commit a violent crime and are punished appropriately for it.

But you are also suggesting that men are forced to undergo vasectomies against their will, yes?

In line with removing the testicles of rapists are you also in favour of removing the hands and feet of people who engage in other acts of violence?

What surgical measures will be employed against women who carry out acts of male rape?

Then we must remove the brain.
The mind is a terrible thing.

The mind is a terrible thing.
A mime is a terrible thing to waste

The mind is a terrible thing.

We could always employ the Dahmer method of pouring acid into holes drilled through the skull in order to alter the subject's sexual behaviours.

I know many people here don't like what I have to say, and I'm sorry about that, but this is just my opinion. Some of you have made fun of my spelling, not just the way I spell womyn, but I am typing fast and I'm sorry if I am making mistakes. I don't usually spell this poorly. I tend to get upset and maybe don't explain myself well, but since I've been here, people have attacked me over and over and very few have seemed willing to even discuss these ideas. I don't know why they bother to respond to the thread if that is the case.

Anyway, I have to go to class now, but I will come back later and hopefully I can find the real questions in the middle of all the hateful comments.

I know many people here don't like what I have to say, and I'm sorry about that, but this is just my opinion. Some of you have made fun of my spelling, not just the way I spell womyn, but I am typing fast and I'm sorry if I am making mistakes. I don't usually spell this poorly. I tend to get upset and maybe don't explain myself well, but since I've been here, people have attacked me over and over and very few have seemed willing to even discuss these ideas. I don't know why they bother to respond to the thread if that is the case.

Anyway, I have to go to class now, but I will come back later and hopefully I can find the real questions in the middle of all the hateful comments.
I get the feeling you are either the best troll ever, or someone touched you in a bad place once and you haven't worked through it properly. If it's the latter, get help.

I know many people here don't like what I have to say, and I'm sorry about that, but this is just my opinion. Some of you have made fun of my spelling, not just the way I spell womyn, but I am typing fast and I'm sorry if I am making mistakes. I don't usually spell this poorly.


I just picked up on 'facist' because it is endemic here on NationStates and has started to really grate on my nerves.


I tend to get upset and maybe don't explain myself well, but since I've been here, people have attacked me over and over and very few have seemed willing to even discuss these ideas. I don't know why they bother to respond to the thread if that is the case.

Anyway, I have to go to class now, but I will come back later and hopefully I can find the real questions in the middle of all the hateful comments.

If nothing else you are presenting some ideas which haven't been done to death here on the forum, and that is always a good thing.

I get the feeling you are either the best troll ever, or someone touched you in a bad place once and you haven't worked through it properly. If it's the latter, get help.
This is exactly what I am talking about. If you don't want to discuss anything, why bother insulting me? Go away.

I know many people here don't like what I have to say, and I'm sorry about that, but this is just my opinion. Some of you have made fun of my spelling, not just the way I spell womyn, but I am typing fast and I'm sorry if I am making mistakes. I don't usually spell this poorly. I tend to get upset and maybe don't explain myself well, but since I've been here, people have attacked me over and over and very few have seemed willing to even discuss these ideas. I don't know why they bother to respond to the thread if that is the case.

Anyway, I have to go to class now, but I will come back later and hopefully I can find the real questions in the middle of all the hateful comments.
Don’t worry about the spelling I am bad as well … (when time permits I run it through word)
As for the discussion … you are unwilling to use either facts nor modify your personal opinion even if an overwhelming amount of evidence supports another view … it is hardly worth us spending time doing a serious debate when you will just spit back hate and ingrained opinions … not facts or theories

You are right it is your opinion … and you cant debate opinion vs opinion without facts coming in there somewhere and proving which opinion more resembles reality … but even if yours doesn’t that does not make it wrong (sorry I am confusing but it will all boil down to “this is my opinion and I have a right to have it” while I agree this is hardly grounds for a good debate)

I have seen some interesting trolls over the years, but this is just stupid.

spelling on NS might be god-awful, but at least we don't have to put up with mis-pronunciation.

You really do have some....interesting....ideas. And by interesting, I mean misguided. First off, pregnancy should never be viewed as a threat by men. Pregnancy is a blessing from God. The gift of life is more valuable than you can possibly imagine. What about those women who cannot get pregnant? You have the choice to get pregnant, they don't. Until the possibility of it is taken away, you have no idea how precious it is.

Secondly, IUD's aren't used anymore, or have you not done your research? The pill plays havoc on your emotions....why yes it does...I will agree with you there, but then you have the choice not to take it. You did miss the most obvious form of birth control, though: abstinance....ever heard of that? There is more to 'waiting until marriage' than you think. It is not simply a form of oppression as I am sure you are seething about just reading this.

And I'm sorry, but if you think you're responsible enough to have sex, then you'd better be responsible enough to have a child. That's all there is to it.

I would like to ask you what you were thinking when you wrote that men should get vasectomies? Have you not just taken a choice away from them? How can you be so adamant about human rights and equality when you are taking away their rights? And you also seem to think that men have more STD's, hmmm....sorry, wrong! It's actually a pretty close statistic. If you were actually a responsible person having safe and responsible sex, you would get both YOURSELF and your partner tested before doing so.

I think you've got a lot of growing up to do, and should not have sex until you do.

Then we must remove the brain.
hey that is the internets job *points at Herpower* I present "exibit A"

This is exactly what I am talking about. If you don't want to discuss anything, why bother insulting me? Go away.
It wasn't an insult, it was advice. Plus, I like messing with sexist, confused little girls.

Secondly, IUD's aren't used anymore, or have you not done your research?

Nonsense.

Why am I not surprised that HerPower's country has "Below Average" civil rights?

hey that is the internets job *points at Herpower* I present "exibit A"

Ad Hominem?

As a Communist I agree with most of HerPower's arguments about the position of womyn in this capitalist male dominated society and I strongly support the fight for womyn's equality. I don't however believe that all men should be forced to have a vystectomy and although this may help some problems it will not get to the root of womyn's oppression. It is the whole society and the attitudes of men that must be changed and I believe this can only take place under Socialism where no one group would be in a higher position to anyone else. I also believe it is very important to fight against the sex industry which encourages men to treat womyn as sexual commodities and not as members of the human race deserving equality and respect.

Ad Hominem?
No, Ad Womynem

The mind is a terrible thing.Well, it you wouldn't have any mind, you would be uncapable of: 1. Experiencing anything. 2. Conciously causing anything. So, if you (beware of crappy pun) completely lost your mind, you would: 1. Never (conciously) cause any problems for anyone/anything. 2. Not mind loosing your mind (*insert laugher here*) at all.

Why am I not surprised that HerPower's country has "Below Average" civil rights?

I find it ironic that it uses females as a currency.

As a Communist I agree with most of HerPower's arguments about the position of womyn in this capitalist male dominated society and I strongly support the fight for womyn's equality. I don't however believe that all men should be forced to have a vystectomy and although this may help some problems it will not get to the root of womyn's oppression. It is the whole society and the attitudes of men that must be changed and I believe this can only take place under Socialism where no one group would be in a higher position to anyone else. I also believe it is very important to fight against the sex industry which encourages men to treat womyn as sexual commodities and not as members of the human race deserving equality and respect.
so its nothing to do with the attitudes of teenage girls who force each other into gender stereotypes (its the same with teenage boys) and everything to do with the attitudes of men?

Ad Hominem?
I'm sorry what does that mean??

I find it ironic that it uses females as a currency.
It's a time honored tradition. I'm just confused as to how many brunettes to give as change for a redhead.

so its nothing to do with the attitudes of teenage girls who force each other into gender stereotypes (its the same with teenage boys) and everything to do with the attitudes of men?

Didn't you know? In a world where everyone is equal, everything is men's fault.

I'm sorry what does that mean??

Attacking the person, rather than their argument.

I don't however believe that all men should be forced to have a vystectomy and although this may help some problems it will not get to the root of womyn's oppression.
"vysectomy"?
Is the "y" spelling getting to you too?
:p

I'm sorry what does that mean??
It's a latin term that is used to describe an attack on the person rather than the person's argument. It means "at the man" or something. I have no latin skills.

Didn't you know? In a world where everyone is equal, everything is men's fault.
i should have known

Attacking the person, rather than their argument.
i apolagise... then i could not resist i'm only human

The operation to make a womyn infertile is much more complicated and irreversable than the operation a man can have. If you have a histerectomy you will have menopause earlier, and you can't reverse the surgery. A man can have his reversed.
Er... women don't have to have go so far as to have a hysterectomy. There's tubal ligation. I don't know which is more easily reversed, the tubal ligation or the vasectomy.

I will say, however, that cutting people open is a serious business. Mandatory surgery for every male is going to carry a death rate, even for low-risk surgeries. Infection with nosocomials, for instance. Vancomycin resistant enterococcus and the like.

so its nothing to do with the attitudes of teenage girls who force each other into gender stereotypes (its the same with teenage boys) and everything to do with the attitudes of men?

The attitudes of some womyn are also to blame although this arises as a result of the male dominated society which attempts to brainwash womyn into holding these attitudes in the interests of men. I am opposed to all gender stereotypes and they only exist to benefit men at the expense of the rights of womyn.

Don’t worry about the spelling I am bad as well … (when time permits I run it through word)
As for the discussion … you are unwilling to use either facts nor modify your personal opinion even if an overwhelming amount of evidence supports another view … it is hardly worth us spending time doing a serious debate when you will just spit back hate and ingrained opinions … not facts or theories

You are right it is your opinion … and you cant debate opinion vs opinion without facts coming in there somewhere and proving which opinion more resembles reality … but even if yours doesn’t that does not make it wrong (sorry I am confusing but it will all boil down to “this is my opinion and I have a right to have it” while I agree this is hardly grounds for a good debate)
(In bold) I don't think there's many in here could plead not guilty to that (myself included). We just tend to assume conflicting evidence=no evidence.

The mind is a terrible thing.
To taste?

MINISTRY! YAY!
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It is the whole society and the attitudes of men that must be changed and I believe this can only take place under Socialism where no one group would be in a higher position to anyone else.
*sings* Bu-hu-hull-shi-iit!
I know a lot of people who grew up in the socialist GDR. Neither men nor women behave any other than those who were raised in the democratic FRG. So, nice theory, but the facts prove you wrong.

attempts to brainwash womyn into holding these attitudes in the interests of men. I am opposed to all gender stereotypes and they only exist to benefit men at the expense of the rights of womyn.

Oh, bitter irony.

Oh, bitter irony.
I don't see any irony...
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