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Okay, I saw that "Ask a Latter Day Saint" thread and thought "Why not do the same?"

A lot of people are clueless as to the practices and beliefs of Judaism. I don't claim to be a master of the subject (I don't speak Hebrew, I need a calendar to remember when all the Holidays are, and I don't know even a tiny percentage of the history and teachings) but I am better informed than the majority of Earths populace.

So, if you have any questions about Judaism feel free to ask them here. I will answer to the best of my knowledge, but please do not expect exact and perfect explanations. What I don't know I will attempt to look up for you, and if I can't find it I will tell you so. I'll try not to make up to much stuff, but I make no promises ;)

Who's first?

I think its time to bring this thread back, I figure the more knowledge spread the better.

EDIT: The original thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=361180&

EDIT2: Frequently Asked Questions

1) What is 'Kosher' food?

Kosher food is food that is 'clean' (legal) to eat in the Jewish religion. The source of the food has to fit a number of specific criteria, it has been prepared a certain way, and it even has to be eaten a certain way. Pork is the most commonly known Un-Kosher food, since pigs do not have cloven hoofs (one of the requirements of the source animal) or chew their cud (another requirement).

2) What's the difference between Orthodox Judaism and other forms?

Unless you want to discuss minute and individual branches that are caused mainly by isolation from the rest of Judaism or extreme local situations the only differences are the level of observance. The same laws exist for Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform and we use the same holy books (Unlke the seperate branches of the Christian religion) but each level down the followers are less and less strict. For example, the Orthodox will not even turn on their stove to cook meals on Saturday, even going so far as to ask passer-bys outside to come in and do it for them (I'm serious here, I know Orthodox who do this). The Conservative will not spend the entire day inside doing massive amounts of physical labor and paper work on Saturday, but we'll turn on a microwave if we need to.

3) What's your stance on Israel?

Though Israel is officially a Jewish nation and the majority of the nations population is Jewish I view it as simply one of hundreds of governments on Earth and judge it no differently. I judge it based on its actions, not on whether or not its supporting Judaism. I do often root for it when it comes into conflict with other nations and neither side is clearly right, but not when it is obviously in the wrong.

No questions?

What are the differnces between the different sects?

No questions?
Is that Kaballah stuff, with the red string a bona fide part of judaism or is it just a scam to take stupid celebrity's money?

To be perfectly honest I really don't know of any seperate 'sects' of Judaism (Except for one minor one that I actually only heard of in the previous thread).

What I've noticed about the different ways people practice Judaism (What people confuse for independent sects) is just how strictly they follow the laws. I, a Conservative, don't have any different sources or beliefs than than an Orthodox member, he just follows every law while I kinda skip some of the smaller ones.

Is that Kaballah stuff, with the red string a bona fide part of judaism or is it just a scam to take stupid celebrity's money?

Its real, I'm told it takes years of training and thought and work to join, unless you're from Hollywood.

Ah, my first show of ignorance. Here's where my general knowledge comes to an end, I don't really know what Kaballah is (Except what I just learned on-line right now). Sorry.

I can name two sects: safardic and ashkanardic, though neither are spelt right and I can't name the difference between the two.

I can probably tell you more but my mind has gone dead in the morning.

If I may chime in here, Kaballah isn't considered part of Judaism. Judaism is a religion whereas Kaballah is a form of mysticism not associated with the religion. At least, so far as I've experienced.

PS: I'm not a Kabbalist. LOL

Oh, and as to the "sects," there are about 5 different recognaizable practices of Judaism: Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, Reconstructionist, and the Chasidim. The first four are just varying levels of intensity in following the rules, but the Chasidim are what one could say are a different "sect," as they have their own version of the Pope, known as the Rebbe, and the rest of Judaism at large doesn't hold to the belief in a human voice of God

Ah, my first show of ignorance. Here's where my general knowledge comes to an end, I don't really know what Kaballah is (Except what I just learned on-line right now). Sorry.

Kabbalah is the mystical side of Judaism and encompasses the secrets whispered into Adam's ear at Creation. In most Jewish circles, one doesn't embark on learning such things until 40 unless you're Hassid, who begin the study of Zohar and Tanya at age 3. One should note, however, that Zohar and Tanya are not considered part of the Judaica by anyone except the very "Orthodox".

Women are actually not permitted to learn Kaballah and, from what I've seen of the "New Age Mystical Spirituality Pay Me Now For Enlightenment" side of Kabbalah brought to you by the likes of Madonna (now Esther) is, in fact, not true Kabbalah.

I can name two sects: safardic and ashkanardic, though neither are spelt right and I can't name the difference between the two.

I can probably tell you more but my mind has gone dead in the morning.

Just helpin' ya out here, I've seen 'em spelt the following ways:
Sefardic, Sephardic, or Sfardic
Ashkenazic

And they're not really sects either, more like differing cultures. Sfardic culture refers to most Western European Jewish communities, as well as the culture of Middle Eastern Jews. Ashkenazic culture is typefied by Eastern European Jewish communities like the one depicted in "Fiddler on the Roof," as well as most Jews in New York City, and the majority of German Jews.

Oh, right, I forgot to mention that.

Oftentimes its actually the culture of the Jewish population that differs it from others rather than their actual religious beliefs, similar to the differences between nationalities even though we're all human.

Just adding on to my last post: the major noticeable difference between the two is in their pronunciation of Hebrew. While Sfardic Jews pronounce Hebrew close to how it is spoken today in Israel, Ashkenazic Jews tend to make vowel sounds more rounded ("ah" becomes "aw") and even pronounce whole letters differently (a "t" becomes as "s," most noticeably). Things like gefilte fish and a lot of what people would consider "Jewish cuisine" are largely Ashkenazic in origin.

Just helpin' ya out here, I've seen 'em spelt the following ways:
Sefardic, Sephardic, or Sfardic
Ashkenazic

And they're not really sects either, more like differing cultures. Sfardic culture refers to most Western European Jewish communities, as well as the culture of Middle Eastern Jews. Ashkenazic culture is typefied by Eastern European Jewish communities like the one depicted in "Fiddler on the Roof," as well as most Jews in New York City, and the majority of German Jews.
Where do all the ethiopian jews fit in?

I think they would be considered Sfardic Jews. Ashkenazic culture is much more specifically classified than Sfardic culture. I know Jews in Uganda are Sfardic, so Ethiopian Jews seem to fit in there also.

How many sheckels for a good jewish prostitute?

I'm guessing at least thirteen, they don't come cheaply now-a-days.

What are the differnces between the different sects?
I wonder why people are so desperate to classify everyone into neat categories.

There are Jews from all over the world, Eastern europe, India, Etheopia, Iraq, Spain, Italy, etc. and obviously, each group had (or still has) very different cultural practices; both religious, linguistic, ritualistic, traditions, etc. The two big categories, Ashkenazic and sephardic, loosly reperesent Jews of European origin, and everyone else, respectively. but really, the distinctions are on a counry/city/community level, even. For instance, in Israel, where I live when I visit, there is a greek synagogue, a syrian one for ppl. from Damascus, another syrian one for ppl. from Aleppo, and a couple ones for different parts of europe all within a 3-block radius!! And they all have different melodies, variations on prayers, etc.

The whole conservative/reform/orthodox thing is again, seperate- any of those traditions above have more and less observant members, and of course teachings can be interpreted differently. Egalitarian rights for women is a large part of the conservatice and reform movements. Right now, its mostly ashkenazic communities that have diversified this way...most sephardic synagogues are still orthodox.

What'd you think of the new film adaptation of The Merchant of Venice?

What'd you think of the new film adaptation of The Merchant of Venice?

I liked it. Though I did a better Shylock with Playhouse 1960. ;)

Eep! "Ask a"-thread

*hides*

Oh I have a question. Why?

Oh I have a question. Why?

Why not?

Why not?
I'm not Jewish so I'm not allowed to answer any questions in this thread :rolleyes:

I'm not Jewish so I'm not allowed to answer any questions in this thread :rolleyes:

Oh answer anyway. It could be fun!

Oh answer anyway. It could be fun!
But I want to keep all my bits.....

Question:

What is the view of a Jew marrying a non-Jew?

I must say, this entire thread is very funny. (Just before you wonder why, I am Jewish) Besides from reform, conserative, orthodox, and all those, there are also different dialects of Hebrew that different places have. There is just regular hebrew, yiddish, which is a combination of hebrew and German, and I believe that there is also a combination of Hebrew and Spanish, but I don't remember the name. That's it for my history lesson.

I've been studying Israel in Middle Eastern class, History Major. Do you believe that the current and past government has side tracked from the original intention of Israel?

Legless Pirates, I made this because I've always felt that the best way to combat ignorance is knowledge, many people are simply ignorant of religions besides their own and I think its a crime to miss out on the varied history that others have. Also, I really like all the attention.

Affenfelsen, culture-wise it's frowned upon (Just as pretty much all inter-racial marriage and inter-religion marriages are) but I think officially it's okay as long as the children are raised Jewish. Heck, my uncle married a Goy and she's perfectly okay.

German Kingdoms, I don't know what the 'original intention' is. Do you mean the intention of Ancient Israel (the one conquered and destroyed millenia ago and turned into Palestine) or Modern Israel (The one created in '48). They both control generally the same land but they differ quite drastically in most of their other respects.

How many sheckels for a good jewish prostitute?


Israeli? Or Jewish? There is a difference...from what i hear Israeli girls are very aggressive, and will beat the crap out of you for no reason whatsoeve....and if they like you, the beatings only get worse...although i think the person was making that up...i hope. Oo

Question:

What is the view of a Jew marrying a non-Jew?

Generally the same view of all religions...you shouldn't do it. But if the Non-Jew converts, or the Jew is the mother, people might look the other way a bit, provided you give your kids a Jewish Education and not a Non-Jewish one.

But I want to keep all my bits.....

It's just a foreskin. You don't need it. :)

It's just a foreskin. You don't need it. :)
I think I'll keep it thankyouverymuch

It's just a foreskin. You don't need it. :)

I see.

"Just a little off the top, please."

"I see you have a special! Ten percent off!"

I liked it. Though I did a better Shylock with Playhouse 1960. ;)
I'm sure yours was fantastic, but Pacino's was one of the best acted roles of his career.

A career involving the godfather movies.

I think I'll keep it thankyouverymuch

Are you sure? I could probably get you a great deal

Are you sure? I could probably get you a great deal


What we really do with Jewish foreskin... (http://www.cirp.org/news/1996.05.07_dermagraft/)


Didja really think it goes to waste? ;), our Jewish love is being used to help burn victims and such. =D

Surely somebody else must have question.

I been trying to find this out for sometime and everybody thinks i'm just messing with them but I SWEAR I REALLY WANT TO KNOW!!!! If you're not curcumzied can a jewish girl give u a bj or a hand job or are u considered unclean?

Sorry, but that question just doesn't make any sense. I really don't see what being circumcised has anything to do with the 'cleanliness' of sexual acts. It's symbolic of being inducted into the Jewish religion, nothing more.

It's been theorised that it was originally meant to be a substitution for human sacrifice, which was the norm when Judaism came around, so that the Jewish population could grow at a larger pace than if they were killing off half their numbers every year, but there's no real proof of that.

I must say, this entire thread is very funny. (Just before you wonder why, I am Jewish) Besides from reform, conserative, orthodox, and all those, there are also different dialects of Hebrew that different places have. There is just regular hebrew, yiddish, which is a combination of hebrew and German, and I believe that there is also a combination of Hebrew and Spanish, but I don't remember the name. That's it for my history lesson.

Yeah, Hebrew's split into all sorts of things. Yiddish is actually a totally different language, as is Ladino, the mix of Hebrew and Spanish you're thinking of. Then the Modern Hebrew spoken in Israel today is very different from Biblical Hebrew... it's a very complicated deal.

Oh, just lettin' ya know, Klonor, I'm Jewish too. Didn't wanna seem like I'm comin' outta nowhere here. ;)

As to marriage with non-Jews, I've never seen it frowned upon in my congregation - my rabbi marries Jews and non-Jews all the time and it doesn't seem to bother him or the families involved. I'd have to ask him what the official attitude toward it is, of course. That, and we're a Reform congregation. I know people are a lot more bothered by it in Orthodox congregations, but then, that comes with the territory, just like Orthodox Catholics frowning upon marrying Protestants or something.

not to kill it but arnt these banned, they put up a sticky somewhere

That was a temporary bann when these started flooding the boards and appearing everywhere. They rescinded it once the fad died down.

Sorry, but that question just doesn't make any sense. I really don't see what being circumcised has anything to do with the 'cleanliness' of sexual acts. It's symbolic of being inducted into the Jewish religion, nothing more.

It's been theorised that it was originally meant to be a substitution for human sacrifice, which was the norm when Judaism came around, so that the Jewish population could grow at a larger pace than if they were killing off half their numbers every year, but there's no real proof of that.


so............... i can hook up with a jewish girl :D I'm so happy. GTG!!!!....................................................................

How old were you when they removed your horns and claws?

If I may chime in here, Kaballah isn't considered part of Judaism. Judaism is a religion whereas Kaballah is a form of mysticism not associated with the religion. At least, so far as I've experienced.

PS: I'm not a Kabbalist. LOL

Oh, and as to the "sects," there are about 5 different recognaizable practices of Judaism: Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, Reconstructionist, and the Chasidim. The first four are just varying levels of intensity in following the rules, but the Chasidim are what one could say are a different "sect," as they have their own version of the Pope, known as the Rebbe, and the rest of Judaism at large doesn't hold to the belief in a human voice of God

i hate it when there are different levels of a religin...i dont believe in any form of religion but i dont mind people beleiving in what they do but come, on it isnt a religion if it has been modified really... :headbang:

So what do the Jews do with all that Christian baby's blood around Passover?

Why are Jewish people so funny?

Jewish people are funny because... um... uh... we're jewish?

BTW, I was just kidding in my earlier post about the blood libel. I hope nobody took offense, and if you did, I appologize.

So what do the Jews do with all that Christian baby's blood around Passover?

Ever have tomato soup? :eek:

Ever have tomato soup? :eek:

ewww...

What's your contingency plan for when the neo-Nazis blitz this thread?

in the olden days jews couldn't eat meats and milk at the same time, is that the same now? and in the olden days they couldn't work on sundays, that included maked fire/light so can jewish people turn on lights on sundays?

What's your contingency plan for when the neo-Nazis blitz this thread?

One word: Golem.

in the olden days jews couldn't eat meats and milk at the same time, is that the same now? and in the olden days they couldn't work on sundays, that included maked fire/light so can jewish people turn on lights on sundays?

The kashrut laws are still in effect as are the halachos concerning the Sabbath - which is not Sunday, but rather Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown.

One word: Golem.
ooh! I forgot that that's where golems come from!
Soft, squishy human + fist of golem = pain.

One word: Golem.
What if they attack on Saturday?

What if they attack on Saturday?

It's ok. Golems are soulless and can violate all manner of mitzvot.

They will be our warriors in the Zombie apocalypse.

It's ok. Golems are soulless and can violate all manner of mitzvot.

They will be our warriors in the Zombie apocalypse.
I thought they go crazy when asked to work on saturday and destroy everything in sight. The conflict between their need to obey god's law and man's command screws them up.

my mentor who is jewish once told me that muslisms and jewish were closly related, i told this to the jewish girl i like and she said i was dead wrong. can u clear things up alil for me

why do jews clam 6 Six Million jews were killed in WW2 when there are no records that support that number. Now I can see 1 Million, Hell I will even go and give you 2 Million just to be a nice guy. But 6 Million? If that was the case then all the jews would be dead and not one of them would of lived to tell the tale.

my mentor who is jewish once told me that muslisms and jewish were closly related, i told this to the jewish girl i like and she said i was dead wrong. can u clear things up alil for me
At least in Keruvalia's case they are not just closely related, they are the same!

look at census records...there were 6 million.

why do jews clam 6 Six Million jews were killed in WW2 when there are no records that support that number. Now I can see 1 Million, Hell I will even go and give you 2 Million just to be a nice guy. But 6 Million? If that was the case then all the jews would be dead and not one of them would of lived to tell the tale.

You are completely right, there are even FACTS backing that up. It's impossible to kill that many people in that short of time, using the tactics that the Nazis used. Lies lies lies!!!!!

The kashrut laws are still in effect as are the halachos concerning the Sabbath - which is not Sunday, but rather Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown.

Yeah... well, it really depends. This all comes back to the sects. Let's put it this way:

We have Orthodox, Conservative, Reform.
(Actually, you could call them Modern Orthodox.)

Modern Orthodox: Follow Judaism basically the way the Bible, Talmud, the Rabbis, and even today's commentators have said to follow.

Conservative: Women have more mitzvot available to them that men do. Also stay true to the law though. But if you need to drive to your nearest Synagogue on Shabbat, that's okay. Don't believe in inter-marriage.

Reform: I don't know.

Okay, so Shabbat is 25 hours long, from Friday night to saturday night.

Okay, now to Kabbalah: I don't know about it, the great rabbis (the gedolim) would learn it, its mystic. I condone the celebrities that feel they are ready to jump right in without any basic knowledge of Judaism.

Now, the actual "sects" go like this. The only differences are in background and culture, and some have different traditions.

For example: On Passover, you may not eat leavened bread and stuff. Ashkenaz can't eat (I think they're called) Melanges (Kitniot) but Sefardim can.

Cultural difference: The night when Passover ends Morrocan Jews will have a sort of "leavened bread party" called a Meemona. Its actually really cool. Great food too.

Is part of Judaism not taking a shower? Why else would everyone call you "d'em dirty jewhs!"

That, was terrible.

why do jews clam 6 Six Million jews were killed in WW2 when there are no records that support that number. Now I can see 1 Million, Hell I will even go and give you 2 Million just to be a nice guy. But 6 Million? If that was the case then all the jews would be dead and not one of them would of lived to tell the tale.


Well, how it goes is that at the time there was a really big Jewish population,. They were really thriving in Europe. In the Holocaust, two-thirds of the Jewish population died.

i dunno all the animals in the world so is there another one other then the pig that has a closed cliff and that jews cannot eat? and by the way wat does kushier mean? is there a rabbi involved?

Is part of Judaism not taking a shower? Why else would everyone call you "d'em dirty jewhs!"

That, was terrible.

Actually, on Shabbat you're not allowed to take a shower or a bath.

i dunno all the animals in the world so is there another one other then the pig that has a closed cliff and that jews cannot eat? and by the way wat does kushier mean? is there a rabbi involved?

See Levitcus Chapter I don't know.

How Kashrut goes is:

Mammals: Has to have a split hoof and chews its cud.

Birds: Can only eat birds that are prey, no predators.

Fish: Has to have scales and fins.

look at census records...there were 6 million.

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/scan2.html

Enrich your minds and look at the proof that Poland just dropped the numbers of people who died in the Holocaust.

Actually, on Shabbat you're not allowed to take a shower or a bath.

EWWW

I don't know about that, you could be right, but next time could you try not to cite info from a website that could so obviously biased. I mean, "White Free Speech"? Come on!

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/scan2.html

Enrich your minds and look at the proof that Poland just dropped the numbers of people who died in the Holocaust.

Wow, such an UNBIASED report. I HAVE to believe this. Idiot. :rolleyes:

I don't know about that, you could be right, but next time could you try not to cite info from a website that could so obviously biased. I mean, "White Free Speech"? Come on!

It's a friggin NEWS PAPER CLIPPING. They didn't just make up the information.

EWWW

Calm down, we take a shower on Friday right before Shabbat starts, and then one on Saturday night when it ends. Not a big deal.

Wow, such an UNBIASED report. I HAVE to believe this. Idiot. :rolleyes:

OHHH name calling, very mature. ;)

It's a friggin NEWS PAPER CLIPPING. They didn't just make up the information.

Funny how it doesn't show the newspaper name, or date, or anything that would allow us to trace the story. Funnnnney.

wat does kushier mean? is there a rabbi involved?

OHHH name calling, very mature. ;)

A guy whos nation name is "The White Nation" is calling me immature, yeah, ok.

Funny how it doesn't show the newspaper name, or date, or anything that would allow us to trace the story. Funnnnney.

Well, ummm.... Don't mean to burt your bubble, but in the tiny tiny font size article it says Toronto Sun. Not like I'm on White Nations side on this.

A guy whos nation name is "The White Nation" is calling me immature, yeah, ok.

I think it's a good name. I've seen immature names like ... Nation of a Fat Hungry Man. At least my nation actually goes along with politics. And I'm a girl, not a guy.

wat does kushier mean? is there a rabbi involved?

Kosher means that you follow the dietary laws stated in Leviticus and better explained by our Rabbis.

Often, when you need someone to oversee the making of your product to give you permission to put a Kashrut symbol on it, a Rabbi called a Mashgiach oversees it.

why do jews clam 6 Six Million jews were killed in WW2 when there are no records that support that number. Now I can see 1 Million, Hell I will even go and give you 2 Million just to be a nice guy. But 6 Million? If that was the case then all the jews would be dead and not one of them would of lived to tell the tale.

I am not sure where that figure cam about, but it is clearly an estimate. I think this was done by looking at overall world Jewish population changes before and after the war, NAZI documents, and probably many other ways. Yad Vashem, an organization that has tried to document the Holocaust, has the names and other info of about 3 million Jews who perished in the Holocaust. Furthermore, do not forget that an estimated 5 million non-Jews (such as gypsies, homosexuals) were killed with the Jews. I have heard the the 6 million figure is a minimum estimate too, although I do not know if this is true. I can tell you that in the country where I was born, Latvia (on the Baltic Sea next to Russia), less than 10% of the Jewish population from some major cities survived WWII.

As for Jewish sects. Most sects of Judaism were wiped out by the Romans. The Judaism we see today is simply the descendant of one or two major sects that survived war with the Romans. There are Jews, however, in more isolated parts of the world who go to where they are before Roman intervention in what is now Israel and therefore practice very differently from what many see as modern Judaism. Today, there aren't really any major sects in my opinion, but rather levels of how much people practice (ultra-orthodox, orthodox, conservative, reform, reconstructionist). It is peculiar to note that for most orthodox Jews to recognize the state of Israel, the less orthodox Jews had to convince them by exempting orthodox Jew from the draft. Some (ultra-orthodox) Jews, even today, do not recognize Israel.

Is Israel today, what it was planned to be 50 years ago? Yes and no. Yes, because it is a haven for any Jew oppressed in the world and it is a democracy. No, because democracy has not been fully granted to non-Jews in Israel, therebye making a sort of contradiction of the purpose for Israel. However, one must note that Israel is a country still struggling for its existence and has been at war (offical and unofficial) since its creation. It is also a very young country. It is impossible for a country to fully implement democracy and freedom in such a short time while constantly being hated and at war. It took the US 200+ years to become a truly free nation and it is still struggling sometimes with granting freedom to all. So in that sense, Israel has made enormous progress, but it still has a long road ahead of it to show that it truly is a free country. With a new Palestinian government and democratic movements in country around it, I think Israel will be able to lift some of its freedom restrictions, although in the long run, it may end up having to give up its label as a "Jewish" state in order to grant completely equal rights to those of others religions. I am not saying Israel purposely or actively oppresses other religions, I am just saying that at the moment it is prioritizing Judaism. If a country wants to be completely free, it must treat all religions equally.

Well, ummm.... Don't mean to burt your bubble, but in the tiny tiny font size article it says Toronto Sun. Not like I'm on White Nations side on this.

Now what I find fuunnnnyyy is that the name of the newspaper IS on the clipping. FUUNNNNYYY!

Well, I think that the Nitoorai Carta are the only ones that do not recognize Israel, because they don't believe there should be a State of Israel until the Messiah comes and it is total Jewish. I think these people are a shame to the rest of us. Its a disgrace that they stand with the side-by-side Palistinian protesters of Israel at the Salute to Israel Parade in New York.

1). How long does it take to cremate a body?

Answer: According to crematory operators today, it takes more about two hours to completely cremate a body.

2). How long did it take to cremate a body during World War II?

Answer: Cremation was a relatively new thing in the early 40s and therefore it took more than four hours to cremate a single body. It would have been impossible to cremate more than one body at a time, for with more bodies the time needed to create the bodies would increase with each body. From one body and four hours to three bodies and eight hours, four bodies and 12 hours and etc.

3). How much residue and ashes are left after a body is cremated?

Answer: Today there is about 10 to 12 pounds of residue, depending upon the size of the body; and that is with the residue being run through a grinder to reduce the larger bone fragments into smaller one. In the 40s there would have been 40 to 50 pounds of residue and no grinding to reduce the larger bone and meat fragments, so there would have no other reduction in the size of the body.

4). How much weight in ashes and bone fragments would it take to fill a box car or hopper car?

Answer: The European rail cars are about 2 the size of the ones in the United States, then and now. So it would have taken about 20,000 pounds of residue to fill a box car.

5). How many men would it have taken to transfer the residue from the ovens to the rail siding where they would have been loaded out on?

Answer: With one man and one wheel borrow which would have held about 50 pounds of residue it would have taken about 200 hundred men to transfer the 20,000 pounds that would fill the box car. These men would have had to move constantly and therefore would have had to be relieved every few hours to let them rest so that they could work again. Thus the number of men would have to be 600 at the rate of 200 men changing shifts every 8 hours.


Now slave labor, as history has shown, is the worst sort of labor; because there is no incentive to produce more and more. Instead the slaves move less and less as time progresses. This would have added another 600 to the work force thus causing the Germans to have use 1200 men for one box or hopper car per day, just to move the residue from the ovens to the rail sidings. Of course we have not taken into consideration the distance that the men would have to travel with their wheel barrow; and thus would have added substantially more men to the work force.

6). How many men would have taken to load the residue in the box or hopper cars after the transfer from the ovens?

Answer: Due to the fact that the European cars are about 2 the size of American ones, it would have take at least 4 men on each side of the car shoveling the residue up into the car. Then it would have taken 4 men, two on each side to throw the residue from the door to the back of the car. This would have taken at least 8 men, and since they would have to be relieved every few hours that would increase the work forces from 8 to 24 men. Then just as we had to double the work force because of the slowdown in the movement of the slave labor, it would therefore take 72 men to load the cars. Again we are not taking into consideration the sickness and accidents which would necessarily happen because of humans being just that: humans. Which would also increase the work force.

7). How many cars could be loaded at the same time? And how many cars would a siding hold?

Answer: Only about 10 cars could be loaded at one time because if more than that were loaded, the workers would be getting into each others way, thus causing both a slowdown and additional workers to the work force. Therefore, it would take about 1300 men to load 10 cars in one days 24 hours time.

8). How many pounds of residue would 4,000,000 bodies produce?

Answer: At the rate of 40 to 50 pounds per body; and we will use the lesser weight of 40 pounds, it would produce 4,000,000 x 40 pounds = 160,000,000 millions of pounds of residue.

9). How many rail cars would it take to move 160,000,000 pounds of residue?

Answer: At the rate of 20,000 pounds per car, and that is really filling the car up because the car would probably not hold more than 15,000 pounds, it would take about 16,000 cars. Which would not have been possible because the allied bombers were bombing everything in sight day and night and would have destroyed that many cars in raids.

10). How long would it take at the rate of 10 cars per day to move 16000 cars?

Answer: It would have taken 16000 days.

11). How many years would it have taken to move these cars at the rate above mentioned?

Answer: it would have taken 16000 days divided by 365 days in a year = 54 years.



Therefore, it would not have been possible to cremate 4,000,000 people and move their ashes and residue in 3 years time.

You are completely right, there are even FACTS backing that up. It's impossible to kill that many people in that short of time, using the tactics that the Nazis used. Lies lies lies!!!!!

Um, yeah. You're a freaking idiot.

It's called a DEATH CAMP. As in, a camp where people go TO DIE. As in, worked TO DEATH. It's pretty self explanatory after that point. If you could profer facts, as stated above, that'd be freaking wonderful, thank you very much.

-DRP

Um, yeah. You're a freaking idiot.

It's called a DEATH CAMP. As in, a camp where people go TO DIE. As in, worked TO DEATH. It's pretty self explanatory after that point. If you could profer facts, as stated above, that'd be freaking wonderful, thank you very much.

-DRP

READ all I just wrote and LOOK at the news paper clipping, thank you very much.

The White Nation, I suggest you quit trying to be a White Supremist wannabe. All it does is make you look ignorant, and stupid. You will not get any respect ANYWHERE in the world trying to be a White Supremist, also, please find God and Jesus. (Yes I know the Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah, and most of the form member is not Christian, just give me this one, then on the other thread you can go back to saying this and that about Jesus.)

Kosher means that you follow the dietary laws stated in Leviticus and better explained by our Rabbis.

Often, when you need someone to oversee the making of your product to give you permission to put a Kashrut symbol on it, a Rabbi called a Mashgiach oversees it.


so going back to my BJ question, is it ok for a uncircumsized male to get oral sex from a jewish girl, or are u unkoshered?

The White Nation, I suggest you quit trying to be a White Supremist wannabe. All it does is make you look ignorant, and stupid. You will not get any respect ANYWHERE in the world trying to be a White Supremist, also, please find God and Jesus. (Yes I know the Jews don't believe Jesus was the messiah, and most of the form member is not Christian, just give me this one, then on the other thread you can go back to saying this and that about Jesus.)

LOL White supremist wannabe ... I don't think 'wannabes' would be here taking all this crap from you people. 'wannabes' walk around with iron crosses and tall black boots but they do nothing to back their claims up with actual words or facts.

Why don't you stop assuming things about people who you don't even know?

http://www.whitefreespeech.com/sub/scan2.html

Enrich your minds and look at the proof that Poland just dropped the numbers of people who died in the Holocaust.

They don't look at every concentration camp56` to get the death toll. They look mostly at demographics! It would be rather odd if one third of all Holocaust victims died at just one concentration camp. There were hundreds of Ghettos and dozens of concentration camps. Furthermore, the final solution was only created in 1942. This means that for 3 years before this, the infamous gas chambers and showers of concentration camps didn't exist. Millions were murdered with bullets before 1942, although the German high command deemed this ineffeicient. And also, remember, not all those who perished in Aushwitz were Jewish.
Of course, you are a white supremist who would immediately believe without any consideration what a white supremist website might say. Have you considered trying to do unbiased research yourself rather than using a small portion of a newspaper clipping to support your beliefs?

They don't look at every concentration camp56` to get the death toll. They look mostly at demographics! It would be rather odd if one third of all Holocaust victims died at just one concentration camp. There were hundreds of Ghettos and dozens of concentration camps. Furthermore, the final solution was only created in 1942. This means that for 3 years before this, the infamous gas chambers and showers of concentration camps didn't exist. Millions were murdered with bullets before 1942, although the German high command deemed this ineffeicient. And also, remember, not all those who perished in Aushwitz were Jewish.
Of course, you are a white supremist who would immediately believe without any consideration what a white supremist website might say. Have you considered trying to do unbiased research yourself rather than using a small portion of a newspaper clipping to support your beliefs?

On the page before this I JUST posted more facts.

READ all I just wrote and LOOK at the news paper clipping, thank you very much.


Yeah. I did. I also remember something about, "this did not affect the total Jewish death rate as accepted at 6 million" or something to that effect. Deny it all you want, but the bodies still count that high. I lost over 30 at Baba Yar myself. do the math now, ignoramus.

Why is it that there are all these Jewish posters on the Internet who always type "G-d" instead of God?

I know that according to Jewish tradition, the name of God isn't supposed to be spoken, but that isn't his name! That's a proper title, not a name. His name is Yaweh. I would understand if a person of the Jewish faith typed "Y---h", or something to that effect, but typing "G-d" just seems silly.

Then there's the point that everything on these boards is written, and as far as I know, there is no proscription against writing the name of God...

my mentor who is jewish once told me that muslisms and jewish were closly related, i told this to the jewish girl i like and she said i was dead wrong. can u clear things up alil for me

As a Muslim Jew, I can tell you that they are very closely related.

Same prophets (except Muslims have a couple extras), same deity, same basic practices in cleanliness and dietary laws, same basic cultural identity. Muslims (descendants of Ishmael) and Jews (descendants of Israel) are cousins.

LOL White supremist wannabe ... I don't think 'wannabes' would be here taking all this crap from you people. 'wannabes' walk around with iron crosses and tall black boots but they do nothing to back their claims up with actual words or facts.

Why don't you stop assuming things about people who you don't even know?

Well you still need to find God and Jesus. BTW: Jesus said Love thy neighbor, and guess what, the entire earth is your neighbor. If you don't like it, then too bad.

Face it 6 million jews did died in Hitler's camps, and probably more non-jews died in the camps. Remeber, Hitler didn't just kill Jews. He also killed Catholics, Gypies, Homosexuals, blacks etc. Anyone who didn't fit into the Aryan race ideology, they were killed.

so going back to my BJ question, is it ok for a uncircumsized male to get oral sex from a jewish girl, or are u unkoshered?

Rofl ... cute question. Yes, it's ok, if the girl consents. Humans are not considered in the kashrut laws as we are not considered food. Semen/Sperm is automatically considered Kashrut Pareve (kosher neutral).

Well you still need to find God and Jesus. BTW: Jesus said Love thy neighbor, and guess what, the entire earth is your neighbor. If you don't like it, then too bad.

Face it 6 million jews did died in Hitler's camps, and probably more non-jews died in the camps. Remeber, Hitler didn't just kill Jews. He also killed Catholics, Gypies, Homosexuals, blacks etc. Anyone who didn't fit into the Aryan race ideology, they were killed.

I realize that, but I'm speaking of only the Jews. I never said that the Nazi's didn't kill MORE people, they just did not kill 6 million JEWS in total. I'm not denying the Holocaust, it is obvious it happened.

See Levitcus Chapter I don't know.


Ch. 11 :)


Mammals: Has to have a split hoof and chews its cud.

Birds: Can only eat birds that are prey, no predators.

Fish: Has to have scales and fins.

Also, the food must be prepared in a kosher kitchen. Placing kosher food in a non-kosher kitchen renders it automatically treif (unclean).

Kosher basically means "clean" or "proper".

As a Muslim Jew, I can tell you that they are very closely related.

Same prophets (except Muslims have a couple extras), same deity, same basic practices in cleanliness and dietary laws, same basic cultural identity. Muslims (descendants of Ishmael) and Jews (descendants of Israel) are cousins.

i thought muslims couldn't eat cow, and thats y there was a huge revolt in 1875 in India

I realize that, but I'm speaking of only the Jews. I never said that the Nazi's didn't kill MORE people, they just did not kill 2 million JEWS in total. I'm not denying the Holocaust, it is obvious it happened.

You know those numbers they tattoo onto people that entered into the camps? they weren't there just to be there. They were tracking numbers. If they were tracking numbers, then its pretty obvious they have a record of who was in what camps, when and why. My guess is the 6 million figures came from the records of tracking numbers.

Why is it that there are all these Jewish posters on the Internet who always type "G-d" instead of God?

Tradition, mostly. It's something done out of respect.

Personally, however, we Muslims call God the same thing Abraham called God: Allah. Many of the world's Jews also refer to God as Allah or Elaw, though most Jews in the West call God "Hashem" for prayer purposes.

i thought muslims couldn't eat cow, and thats y there was a huge revolt in 1875 in India
...India is mostly Hindu...

i thought muslims couldn't eat cow, and thats y there was a huge revolt in 1875 in India

You're thinkin' of Hindus. :)

...India is mostly Hindu...

There's a little Hindu in us all. :D

Tradition, mostly. It's something done out of respect.

Personally, however, we Muslims call God the same thing Abraham called God: Allah. Many of the world's Jews also refer to God as Allah or Elaw, though most Jews in the West call God "Hashem" for prayer purposes.

Actually the original name for God, for the jewish people was Yaweh (correct me if I spelled it wrong). But since no one knows how to pronouce it, they just say God or "The Lord". Maybe this stemed from this?

You know those numbers they tattoo onto people that entered into the camps? they weren't there just to be there. They were tracking numbers. If they were tracking numbers, then its pretty obvious they have a record of who was in what camps, when and why. My guess is the 6 million figures came from the records of tracking numbers.

I accidently wrote 2 but I meant 6. Anyway, that is only your guess as you have said. We both obviously differ on opinions.

I accidently wrote 2 but I meant 6. Anyway, that is only your guess as you have said. We both obviously differ on opinions.

Actually I come from German descent, and because I reasearched my family tree, and I reasearched German History. From its creation in the 1700's to present, I believe I have a better understanding of the camps than you.

What is the book of numbers called? Where a certain letter equals a certain number...and by adding these numbers certain words equal other words...and therefore you are able to come to some type of conclusion. I remember learning about it in class when we read The Chosen but I don't remember what it's called.

I accidently wrote 2 but I meant 6. Anyway, that is only your guess as you have said. We both obviously differ on opinions.

Numbers aren't opinions. They're facts. Jeez, 6 million Jews died, alright?! Along with 5 million catholics, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally retarded, and disabled people. Hell, 20 million Russian peasants died! Just because you didn't experience it personally doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Actually the original name for God, for the jewish people was Yaweh (correct me if I spelled it wrong). But since no one knows how to pronouce it, they just say God or "The Lord". Maybe this stemed from this?

Nah. That name wasn't used until Moses ... long after the days of Abraham. The YHWH thing (which some of do know how to pronounce, we just refuse to do so) is the mystical "true" name, but Elaw/Allah is the name we are permitted to use and should use.

What is the book of numbers called? Where a certain letter equals a certain number...and by adding these numbers certain words equal other words...and therefore you are able to come to some type of conclusion. I remember learning about it in class when we read The Chosen but I don't remember what it's called.

Numbers in Hebrew is "b'Midbar." but the english name just comes from the fact that the book starts with a census. the process of finding meaning in certain phrases by assigning the letters in them with numbers is called gematria, but its not related to the book.

Just because you didn't experience it personally doesn't mean it didn't happen.

A-freakin'-men!

Actually I come from German descent, and because I reasearched my family tree, and I reasearched German History. From its creation in the 1700's to present, I believe I have a better understanding of the camps than you.

OMFG what is your problem, I've FINALLY come down to act civil and not in some raging "I'm going to try and offend you cause I hate you" attitude, and you continue with that same bull s***? Get a life buddy, I'm German too, AND Polish so yea, my history goes back as well, eventhough I have no Jewish blood in me (I continue to count my blessings). CHILL OUT!

What is the book of numbers called? Where a certain letter equals a certain number...and by adding these numbers certain words equal other words...and therefore you are able to come to some type of conclusion. I remember learning about it in class when we read The Chosen but I don't remember what it's called.



are you sure thats not one of those annoying math games that you find in those problem books???? THe things you learn about your own religon on a site like this




Oh, and the 6 mil came from records from the nazis. They took good records

my history goes back as well, eventhough I have no Jewish blood in me (I continue to count my blessings).

That was not necessary. I mean, come on! You can't rant about low blows and then take a pot shot yourself!

-DRP

OMFG what is your problem, I've FINALLY come down to act civil and not in some raging "I'm going to try and offend you cause I hate you" attitude, and you continue with that same bull s***? Get a life buddy, I'm German too, AND Polish so yea, my history goes back as well, eventhough I have no Jewish blood in me (I continue to count my blessings). CHILL OUT!

Well your embarrasing me, and the rest of the German population. You are an embarrasement because of your damn White Supremist act. Get it through your head, the White Race ideology is dead! The Nazis are not coming back, and, I stick by my statement of calling you a wannabe. Your just like the rest of the Neo-Nazis wannabe here in America. You just think your all badass, and you think you know the whole deal with Hitler and the REAL Nazi party, but you don't. My bet is that your nothing more than just some punk kid who is trying to be "rebellious". So after watching the History Channel, you come across the Nazi party and the Aryan Race Ideology. I am ashame to even regonize you as German. I think you need to get your head out of your ass and realize that the whole Aryan ideology is dead, and until your realize that. You will be stuck on a downward spiral.

so is this for all jewish people or is this a generic theory, jewish people belived there was a man name jesus but he wasn't there savior..... or wat? if thats not it i don't get it then......... oh and was he really jewish, b/c my friend told me that and then he laughed and said "yea he must of been sudicidal"

That was not necessary. I mean, come on! You can't rant about low blows and then take a pot shot yourself!

-DRP

I'm not arguing with you guys, I'm aiming this at the *sadly I cannot write what I am thinking* on here who has, twice, decided to step outside of the actual topic and try to take personal stabs at me by ASSUMING s***.

so is this for all jewish people or is this a generic theory, jewish people belived there was a man name jesus but he wasn't there savior..... or wat? if thats not it i don't get it then......... oh and was he really jewish, b/c my friend told me that and then he laughed and said "yea he must of been sudicidal"

The Jewish population believe that he was real, and that he was a good man. But Jesus is not their messiah.

Well your embarrasing me, and the rest of the German population. You are an embarrasement because of your damn White Supremist act. Get it through your head, the White Race ideology is dead! The Nazis are not coming back, and, I stick by my statement of calling you a wannabe. Your just like the rest of the Neo-Nazis wannabe here in America. You just think your all badass, and you think you know the whole deal with Hitler and the REAL Nazi party, but you don't. My bet is that your nothing more than just some punk kid who is trying to be "rebellious". So after watching the History Channel, you come across the Nazi party and the Aryan Race Ideology. I am ashame to even regonize you as German. I think you need to get your head out of your ass and realize that the whole Aryan ideology is dead, and until your realize that. You will be stuck on a downward spiral.

Wrong, for one, the History Channel is biased, for two, there are some MAJOR White Power and Aryan Supremacy groups out there, it is far from being dead. Nothing can die unless all the believers die as well.

I'm not arguing with you guys, I'm aiming this at the *sadly I cannot write what I am thinking* on here who has, twice, decided to step outside of the actual topic and try to take personal stabs at me by ASSUMING s***.

What the hell are we suspose to assume with a name like "The White Nations, and you being part of the Aryan Nation region, and with the White Cross on your flag. Your obviously a White Supremist. If you truly are German, then I am ashame of you.

And just what is wrong with White free speech? Equal right applies to all you know.....Not just blacks, not just Jews, but Whites to. If you disagree then YOU’RE the one with the closed mind.

Don’t believe everything your told. Don’t blindly follow everything the media force-feeds you. Question everything, search for the truth. And maybe one day, if you’re lucky, you will find it.

Well your embarrasing me, and the rest of the German population. You are an embarrasement because of your damn White Supremist act. Get it through your head, the White Race ideology is dead! The Nazis are not coming back, and, I stick by my statement of calling you a wannabe. Your just like the rest of the Neo-Nazis wannabe here in America. You just think your all badass, and you think you know the whole deal with Hitler and the REAL Nazi party, but you don't. My bet is that your nothing more than just some punk kid who is trying to be "rebellious". So after watching the History Channel, you come across the Nazi party and the Aryan Race Ideology. I am ashame to even regonize you as German. I think you need to get your head out of your ass and realize that the whole Aryan ideology is dead, and until your realize that. You will be stuck on a downward spiral.

Hey German Kingdoms: the funny thing is, Germany is one of the most progressive nations in Europe today. I agree with you totally.

I am finished arguing pointlessly on here. If you have some kind of 'problem' with me, or any 'issues', feel free to contact me via msn, yahoo, or aim. I'm not taking up more space on this thread.

Nothing can die unless all the believers die as well.

Works for me. Maybe then we can stop the shame of Germany.

thats to Meanings Queastion

Of course he was Jewish'
Born Jewish. Died Jewish



And if he didnt go around saying he was theson of god, than he could have been accepted as a prophet, but he did claim to be the son of god and thats when we decided not to have him as a prophet



And hes, Jews believe he was a radical Jew who lived and died on the cross. He is not a saior, just a man with some bad luck

What the hell are we suspose to assume with a name like "The White Nations, and you being part of the Aryan Nation region, and with the White Cross on your flag. Your obviously a White Supremist. If you truly are German, then I am ashame of you.

You assumed I was a 'wannabe', and you assumed you knew more than me about the Holocaust.

And just what is wrong with White free speech? Equal right applies to all you know.....Not just blacks, not just Jews, but Whites to. If you disagree then YOU’RE the one with the closed mind.

Don’t believe everything your told. Don’t blindly follow everything the media force-feeds you. Question everything, search for the truth. And maybe one day, if you’re lucky, you will find it.

Wow, another white Supremist. Now hes preaching about "equality". I am just laughing my ass off now. You White Supremist wouldn't know true equality if it bit you in the ass. If you really were going for true equality, you wouldn't even be in something as stupid as the Aryan Nation, or whatever WS group you are in.

You assumed I was a 'wannabe', and you assumed you knew more than me about the Holocaust.

You are a wannabe, because you never were a part of the original Nazi Party. If your not the original, then your just a copycat, a wannabe.

Mosses wasn't a god right? b/c in south park they made all the jewish people like pry and make offerings to him, i now south park is full of shit sometimes, like that story klye's mom tells him when he gets a hemmrod.

You are a wannabe, because you never were a part of the original Nazi Party. If your not the original, then your just a copycat, a wannabe.

Um, I am PRETTY certian I never said I was a Nazi. Nazis are either all dead or dying. I am, however, a white supremist. White Surpemists can be involved in any white power/white pride group, not only the Nazi party.

what makes you say I am a White Supremist? Did I say I was? Nope, I dont recall saying that. So I am white, and I speak my mind, and I am for free speech. That makes me a White Supremist? O wait,its my name right? A white Man...well damm, if thats the way you Veiw all White men then your the one with your head up his ass.

what makes you say I am a White Supremist? Did I say I was? Nope, I dont recall saying that. So I am white, and I speak my mind, and I am for free speech. That makes me a White Supremist?


your nice little confederate flag desn't help. flag of a nation dedicated to freedom solely for the purpose of propagating an institution that is economically and morally unsound? hmm.

what makes you say I am a White Supremist? Did I say I was? Nope, I dont recall saying that. So I am white, and I speak my mind, and I am for free speech. That makes me a White Supremist?

Well given the fact that your Nations solgan is "White and Proud". You are part of the Aryan Nations region, and you post some intresting comments in the region message section. I think its safe to say that you are indeed a WS.

This person just likes to assume things. He seems to have some sort of habit with it.

This person just likes to assume things. He seems to have some sort of habit with it.

I am pretty sure you are a White Supremist. Why else would you have

1. the Confederate flag
2. Be in the Ayran Nations region (A region full of White Supremist)
3. have the solgan "White and Proud"
4. and post some really intresting comments in the message section of your region. I'll let the poster see it for themselves, I won't post them here.

Yea, I think the evidence of your White Supremist view are undeniable.

Mosses wasn't a god right? b/c in south park they made all the jewish people like pry and make offerings to him, i now south park is full of shit sometimes, like that story klye's mom tells him when he gets a hemmrod.

Hilarious episode. I love that they made Moses the MCP from Tron. Yes, by the way, that is farse and humour. Moses was just a man, no better than you or I, and not worthy of worship.

Now, I think this argument is interesting but... take a look at the title. Take this argument outside, in another topic if you need to. I mean, if you want you can ask if Jews believe that you guys are White Supremists, I don't care. Just don't go off topic.

I am pretty sure you are a White Supremist. Why else would you have

1. the Confederate flag
2. Be in the Ayran Nations region (A region full of White Supremist)
3. have the solgan "White and Proud"
4. and post some really intresting comments in the message section of your region. I'll let the poster see it for themselves, I won't post them here.

Yea, I think the evidence of your White Supremist view are undeniable.

I just said I WAS a white supremist. I am in no way shape or form denying it. I am not, however, a wannabe. Not all white supremists are in the Nazi party. Nazis are either all dead or dying, like I said. There are White Supremacy parties here in America as well.

I just said I WAS a white supremist. I am in no way shape or form denying it. I am not, however, a wannabe. Not all white supremists are in the Nazi party. Nazis are either all dead or dying, like I said. There are White Supremacy parties here in America as well.

ugh don't remind me. The KKK is still here in the South. And it was to "The White Man", not to you.

Ok,well lets get the facts all clear then. I am a proud white man who speaks his mind. My family died in the Civel war, and I fly that flag with pride and Honor of fallen kin. If you dont like that you can shove it up your ass.

I am apart of the AN because I have friends who told me to sign up to it. I say what I want, if I dont belive the Jew Lie of 6 million thats is MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT. Who are you to pass judgement on me? Have I passed Hudgement on you? Did I come in here yelling KILL THE JEWS. Nope, I asked one easy question to see what responce I got. Now I see what kind of a brain dead retard you are.

Belive all the Lies you want. I will not, and I will keep searching for the truth. And when I find it I will preach it STRONG AND LOUD! And if THAT offends you then buddie, you need thicker skin.

Okay, next question:

So, anybody hear that the Chief Rabbis in Israel called a fast day tomorrow? Anybody fasting?

Now, I think this argument is interesting but... take a look at the title. Take this argument outside, in another topic if you need to. I mean, if you want you can ask if Jews believe that you guys are White Supremists, I don't care. Just don't go off topic.

You are right, we are off topic, I am done here. If anyone would like to 'bash' me more on what I stand for, or debate, I have my msn, aim, and yahoo links to the left.

-14/88

I am pretty sure you are a White Supremist. Why else would you have

GK, I've learned something in my time on the planet that has gotten me through a lot of obnoxious threads and saved me a lot of headaches:

Don't take the bait. I'm sure you're just continuing out of academic exercise, but be careful arguing with idiots ... someone watching may not be able to tell the difference.

Just ignore them. They'll go away. White Nationalists, Separatists, Supremacists, or whatever they're calling themselves these days, will crawl back into their sweaty child-porn filled worlds known as "Mom's Basement" if you simply do not acknowledge their very existence.

in the olden days jews couldn't eat meats and milk at the same time, is that the same now? and in the olden days they couldn't work on sundays, that included maked fire/light so can jewish people turn on lights on sundays?

Another jew stepping in...

On meats and milk...
You're referring to the dietary practice of keeping Kosher (kashrut). In modern America (largest extant jewish community outside of Israel), keeping kosher is mostly limited to orthodox and more stringent conservative jews.* Some reform and even reconstructionist temples also follow kosher rules to some extent, but it is generally a practice limited to the 'more devout' divisions of modern judaism. Most of the rules were apparently developed specifically for the arid desert environment that was home to our ancestors in Israel, the Sinai, and perhaps even as far back as Egypt.** Most are just smart rules to avoid unhealthy foods or foods which may have signs of diseases. Others are basically a matter of probability--you shouldn't eat fish with meat because both have a danger of illness...eating both at once increases your chance of food poisoning. In order for food to be considered 'kosher', an orthodox rabbi (religious leader equivalent to a priest or minister, although lacking the overarching hierarchy above him) must bless the food, check for kosher ingredients and processes, and then sign off on the food's kosher nature (you can often spot food marked as kosher by the K or The dietary laws that define what is 'kosher' are varied and are constantly under debate, but a quick outline follows (the rule followed by an explanation and the origin):

- "Do not eat meat cooked in milk, even that of its mother" (exodus, somewhere) (don't eat milk and meat at the same time or prepared with the same utensils. There's a time limit between eating...usually about 2-4 hours (I think it's shorter for milk->meat than meat->milk). Those that keep strictly kosher will have 2 sets of plates, cookwear, and utensils...one for dairy meals and one for meat meals. Fish are counted ok for dairy but not meat meals. Eggs land in a vague middle ground, but are not allowed if they have a 'blood spot' (indicates that it's really an aborted fetus, instead of a non-inseminated egg).

- No blood of any animals may be consumed. Blood must be completely removed. In meats it must be boiled or salted out. Special slaughterers and means of slaughtering cattle must be employed to both limit the pain to the animal (it is stunned or killed with a large hammer blow to the back of the neck/head and then its throat is slit, in rough summary of the process). Relatedly, the limbs of living animals may not be eaten (torturing...). The practitioner is called a Shochet (trained kosher slaughterer).

- Meat must not be taken from animals (specifically cattle) that have signs of disease or deformities. A 'special' level of 'super-kosherness' is called 'glatt kosher' (Lit. smooth kosher) and indicates that the lungs of the animal are smooth as well as that there are no spots or such on any of the organs. Normally, most spots are forbidden with a few being ignored...glatt kosher is just that much more special (sarcasm, yes).

- No pig, camel, hare, hyrax. (Pigs are not even allowed to be raised "in the land of israel"...israel oddly has a large pork industry. How? The pigs are raised on platforms raised above the ground.). Trichinosis is the main reason...it's hard to tell that these meats are properly cooked and the disease is a bad one. Pork also needs good refrigeration to prevent it from going bad. In the desert, all of this is difficult so it was banned. Pigs were also considered to be generally unclean. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/trichinosis/factsht_trichinosis.htm

- Meat, in general. Special parts of the animal must be excluded from the meat, such as some nerves, fats, and blood vessels. There are also a number of rules defining what is or is not a kosher animal. Quickly, an animal that chews its cud and has a cloven hoof is okay.

- Fish. Must have scales and fins. No shellfish. Again, these things go bad rather quickly in hot environments. Basically no eel, nothing that bears a shell.***

- Other rules: http://www.ahavat-israel.com/ahavat/torat/kosher.asp and http://www.ahavat-israel.com/ahavat/torat/treif.asp

- Pesach: Pesach, or passover, has additional rules for being kosher and forbids the use or possession of leavened bread (bread that has risen thanks to yeast) and related products. This is why you might see "Kosher for Pesach" written on some containers.

*- Commenting where some have already done, Ashkenazi (almost literally Eastern-german, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Ashkenazim.html) and Sephardim (the descendants of those expulsed from Spain in 1492, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Sephardim.html. Basically these are all jews who have heritages from around the mediterranean. Also refers to many middle eastern and North African jews.) are the main groups of Jews (by cultures). Ethiopian Jews (Beit Falasha) and jewish communities in china, SE asia, and india (called by some the 'lost tribes', normally just the distant descendants of jews involved in the silk road trading community) are different and so shouldn't really be called by one or the other of these names. The Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and (much less significantly) the "reconstructionist" groups are jews who have different levels of observance of the traditional torah laws. Contrary to the belief of some, the Conservative Movement (as it is called) is the most direct descendant from the traditional European Jewish practices. The 'Orthodox' (sometimes Hasidim or other sub-groups) were a fundamentalist response to modern judaism that began relatively recently (in a 4000yr+ history) and the Reform movement was the response of more secular jews. Over time, the Conservative movement has adapted to modern social movements and beliefs (including women rabbis, homosexual marriages, etc.) while the most conservative of the Conservatives have become Orthodox, the so-called "Modern Orthodox" or "Conservadox." One main indicator of what type of temple you are in is how much hebrew is in the service relative to how many songs (orthodox have more chanting and expect you to know the hebrew while some reform services are almost completely without hebrew and focus on songs as prayer). These groups are less sects than general groupings and the actual practice of religion varies greatly (some reform temples have more hebrew and expect a better understanding of the hebrew than some conservative temples). Many larger temples have several congregations that include a combination of different levels of observance. My own ranges from a quite liberal form of Conservatism well into conservadoxy.

**- It is believed by some historians that the practice of circumcision was developed or adopted in Egypt as a sanitary measure (it is considered so to this day and foreskins are often just asking for infection, since they are hard to clean properly...especially important if you live in the desert...just think of all of that sand!). The practice (known as the 'Bris' or Brit Milah) became a ritual of acknowledging the new life of a (male) child on the 8th day of life (think: baptism). If you're a non-jew married to a jew, a really good way of pissing off your in-laws is not having your male children circumcised (since it means that the child WILL NOT be raised jewish). Uncircumcised converts are supposed to be circumcised in order to convert to Judaism. Additional reading (from GIS) http://www.ahavat-israel.com/ahavat/torat/britmila.asp (this site also has a good general overview of jewish practices and customs...too bad I found it AFTER I wrote everything above...). BTW, the practitioner is called a mohel (MOY-el).

***- The biggest reasons why many jews break kosher are for cheeseburgers, lobster, sushi, and chinese food. Some have (famously) called chinese food the third group of kosher foods.

[b]The Sabbath[/i]
The sabbath, or shabbos or shabat, for Jews is on Saturday (not Sunday or the "Christian Sabbath", which was specifically changed to Sunday to distinguish Christianity from Judaism). The sabbath begins friday night sundown and ends saturday night when the first stars are seen. During this time, observant jews (esp. orthodox and some conservative movement members) will refrain from doing any 'work'. This forbids jews from doing any work or acting in such a way (such as flipping a light switch) that will cause work to be done. For this reason, if you want a light to be on you must turn it on friday afternoon before dark and leave it on. Food should be prepared earlier and is often placed on a stove that is kept on at a low flame to heat the food. Orthodox and conservatives walk to their temple, although some conservative congregations allow members to drive, so long as the driving is only to get to and from the temple...and as long as the driving doesn't include trips to the dry cleaners' and the mall, etc. Trade is forbidden on the sabbath and religious jews will not carry any money as they are forbidden to deal in it (some wise jews in the shtetls would pay vendors in advance for fruit or such food and would collect it on the sabbath for lunch).

Some thing which are NOT forbidden: sex (which is generally considered to be good in judaism, as opposed to some religions), study (especially of the Torah), debate (especially of the Torah), some songs (although playing an instrument is often considered to be 'work' and so is only seen in reform temples. If you see a 'conservative' temple that has the rabbi or the cantor (congregational singer/song leader) armed with a guitar then the temple should be considered 'reform'...conservative temples usually frown on the playing of instruments, no matter the cause, during the sabbath (although a famous story relates a shepard boy who played a flute in temple 'because he did not otherwise know how to pray' and the boy's playing was accepted for its religious cause...I like this idea, but still cannot accept the idea of the rabbi or cantor as lead guitarist...).

The 'Sabbath Goy' (in yiddish) is the non-jew who is usually employed at temples to guard and open doors, turn on or off light switches, and who is in charge of any audio equipment related to the church.


I hope this has all been helpful...

Belive all the Lies you want. I will not, and I will keep searching for the truth. And when I find it I will preach it STRONG AND LOUD! And if THAT offends you then buddie, you need thicker skin.

Quickly here: what are you defining as the truth here? All the CREDIBLE evidence supports the claims of 6 million dead.

Okay, next question:

So, anybody hear that the Chief Rabbis in Israel called a fast day tomorrow? Anybody fasting?

Anybody? No more questions?

GK, I've learned something in my time on the planet that has gotten me through a lot of obnoxious threads and saved me a lot of headaches:

Don't take the bait. I'm sure you're just continuing out of academic exercise, but be careful arguing with idiots ... someone watching may not be able to tell the difference.

Just ignore them. They'll go away. White Nationalists, Separatists, Supremacists, or whatever they're calling themselves these days, will crawl back into their sweaty child-porn filled worlds known as "Mom's Basement" if you simply do not acknowledge their very existence.

Ok, but I would just like to say this. These people do NOT respsent presant day Germany. Today Germany is a progressive nation, and they frown upon White Supremist. Ok, I'm done.

<--- is Shephardim, by the way.

Nicely informative post, Western Asia!

Ok, but I would just like to say this. These people do NOT respsent presant day Germany. Today Germany is a progressive nation, and they frown upon White Supremist. Ok, I'm done.

Oh, no worries. I know. :) Most White Separatists/Nationalists are in the US. I know Germany does still have its skinhead and neo-Nazi groups, but they don't represent Germany any more than the Klan represents America.

To comment on some of the things stated above:

I go to a relatively conservative "Conservative" shul, and most people there keep
kosher.

Quickly here: what are you defining as the truth here? All the CREDIBLE evidence supports the claims of 6 million dead. Thats the only truth I am looking for. Facts, I belive facts not what what someone "thinks" is the truth. If I am shown something that supports a clam then cool. After I research it and I find more facts that support then clame even better. But just because someone says "Hey, you can belive me,its the 'truth" does not mean I will belive him.

Hilarious episode. I love that they made Moses the MCP from Tron. Yes, by the way, that is farse and humour. Moses was just a man, no better than you or I, and not worthy of worship.


wow i've learned some stuff today. well i just got a couple of question more then i'll be tapped. Ok so i was watching this freespeech channel and it talked about how being gay was frowned down on when ur a jew. just like in america (thank u republicans for saying who people can marry). But where do jews stand on abortion?/ when does a fetus become a person accourding to jewdism. ohh wat is a driving pryer? my friend has one but i have no idea wat it is..... she can't even drive yet. so jewish people don't belive in a hell but they do belive people pay for there sins.... how then? ohhh and i'm cuban and our diet is almost 100% pork b/c off beef shortage in cuba, so how can a jeban (cuba jew) live?

<--- is Shephardim, by the way.

Nicely informative post, Western Asia!
Thanks Keruvalia.


Remember, people...Don't Feed the Trolls!


LeTuar,
I hadn't heard of a fast. Where'd you hear from? (Haaretz Daily doesn't seem to have any report on it).

Thats the only truth I am looking for. Facts, I belive facts not what what someone "thinks" is the truth. If I am shown something that supports a clam then cool. After I research it and I find more facts that support then clame even better. But just because someone says "Hey, you can belive me,its the 'truth" does not mean I will belive him.

But thank you for the civel question.

Thanks. I've often been quick to accept everything I hear; only recently have I *really* begun to come to my own conclusions. It would be interesting, however, to compare the "credible" evidence for 6 million with the "credible" evidence for less. Just a thought.

wow i've learned some stuff today. well i just got a couple of question more then i'll be tapped. Ok so i was watching this freespeech channel and it talked about how being gay was frowned down on when ur a jew. just like in america (thank u republicans for saying who people can marry). But where do jews stand on abortion?/ when does a fetus become a person accourding to jewdism. ohh wat is a driving pryer? my friend has one but i have no idea wat it is..... she can't even drive yet. so jewish people don't belive in a hell but they do belive people pay for there sins.... how then? ohhh and i'm cuban and our diet is almost 100% pork b/c off beef shortage in cuba, so how can a jeban (cuba jew) live?

it really depends on the jew you ask. Orthodox and Chasidic will tell you that, as the Torah says, homosexuals should be stoned (as should adulterers, by the way). Reform jews, like me, are 99% of the time completely accepting of homosexuality ( i can think of three good jewish friends off the top of my head who are gay; there are growing numbers of gay jewish rabbis in the reform rabbinate)

<--- is Shephardim, by the way.

Nicely informative post, Western Asia!

Yeah, very informative. Though I'm not so sure about your history of Orthodox, Conservative, Reform. I think that when you say Orthodox, you are talking about
Hasidim, Lebavitch, etc. While, from my environment, when I think Orthodox, I'm thinking of something called Modern Orthodox, but its different from your Modern
Orthodox as stated in your thread.

This is all I know:

There was Modern Orthodox. (Orthodox.)

Then the Reform Movement came along for Jews that wanted to "change" and "adapt" and "modernize" Judaism.

Then the Conservative Movement came along, for Jews that wanted to find a
middle ground.

I think that Conservative shuls have a wide variety, from some that lean towards Orthodox, to those that are close to Reform.

Thanks. I've often been quick to accept everything I hear; only recently have I *really* begun to come to my own conclusions. It would be interesting, however, to compare the "credible" evidence for 6 million with the "credible" evidence for less. Just a thought.
To be honest with you I can not find any "credible" evidence one way or the other. I have no doupt that ALOT of people,not only jews died in WW2. But I do find it very hard to belive out of them all 6 million of them were Jews. I have seen no real proff to back that clame. Like I said tho. I have no doupt that ALOT of jews did die in camps and what not. But 6 Million? That I find very hard to belive.

Attention all white supremists:

You are wrong. The holocaust was one of the most terrible acts mankind has ever witnessed. Europe was home to many of the world's Jews, especially Germany because before the Nazis, Germany had one of the most tolerant policies toward Jews, unlike the neighboring French and Russians. Jews historically have been a persecuted group, whether it be from Gulags, Cossacks, Alfred Dreyfus affair, lynchings, Inquisition, etc.

Because so many Jews died in the Holocaust and so many in the 20th Century in general, it shouldn't surprise you that there are more people in New York City than Jews on the planet.

As for burning, they used large furnaces and burned people alive, and had plenty of time to do it. Many died from starvation, disease, and being shot all before much of the rest were being marched to the gas chambers or the furnaces. The gas chambers at Auschwitz alone gassed 2,000 a pop. And considering the constant stream of killing plus the innumerable number of concentration camps and ghettos, it adds up to about 6 million. If you could have seen these camps you would shoot yourself for slandering the name of those dead. Or maybe you wouldn't because you're just a bunch of cold, heartless, amoral, cowardly racists, cowering behind a computer monitor.

My grandfather was the sole survivor of his family from the Holocaust, and he had quite a large family before the holocaust. He was a farmer of a vineyard, just a quiet man, and his family was murdered by Adolf Hitler. Ever heard of Crystalnacht? That was right before the mass murdering began, when Jews were rounded up, their property destroyed, and many beaten to death. Jews were targeted more in speeches than any other group, and were killed more than any other group. The nazis were ruthlessly evil and butchered many Jews, and yes they did kill others, but right now I am defending that 6 million Jews were killed. Go on and be hateful you white supremacist, because after all, you are well informed of your own ignorance now.

[QUOTE=The Philosophes] Orthodox and Chasidic will tell you that, as the Torah says, homosexuals should be stoned (as should adulterers, by the way)./QUOTE]

Woah, woah, woah! Slow down there, cowboy!

You guys keep mistaking Orthodox Jews for Ultra-Orthodox. The Bible says that gays should be stoned, but then again, it says a lot of people should be stoned. That's why we have Rabbis and Talmud to interpret.

And you really can't base Jewish views on Reform Judaism.

Western Asia:

I thought that kosher slaughtering went without the hammer blow, just the severing of the blood vessels in the neck. The quick loss of blood leads to almost immediate loss of consciousness, and death follows quickly. The knive has to be extremely sharp, with no nicks, dents or bends in the blade. The Hammer method is pretty imprecise, as a glancing blow can really hurt without doing mortal damage.


hammer... great, now I have Mahler's 6th in my head.

Ok so i was watching this freespeech channel and it talked about how being gay was frowned down on when ur a jew. just like in america (thank u republicans for saying who people can marry).

Not exactly. It's frowned upon in Torah, but Jewish people aren't allowed to judge. Homosexual Jews pray, sing kaddish, and enjoy the Sabbath alongside heterosexual Jews all the time. It is up to Allah, not to men, to judge a person.

But where do jews stand on abortion?/ when does a fetus become a person accourding to jewdism.

According to most Torah scholars, a person is a person when they are 51% out of the woman's body. There is some reference in the Tanya and in some bits of the Talmud that says the soul doesn't technically enter the body until the brit milah for boys and at birth for girls. That's part of mysticism, though.


ohh wat is a driving pryer? my friend has one but i have no idea wat it is..... she can't even drive yet.

It's a special prayer for people who are travelling.

so jewish people don't belive in a hell but they do belive people pay for there sins.... how then?

That's complicated. In reality, we don't know. Asking where the soul goes when you die is like asking where a dream goes when you wake up.

ohhh and i'm cuban and our diet is almost 100% pork b/c off beef shortage in cuba, so how can a jeban (cuba jew) live?

You'd have to ask a Cuban Jew. :) If it is necessary for survival, a Jew can eat pork. However, one doesn't need to eat meat to survive. How's the chicken population? Maybe they just eat plenty of chicken and fish.

Cuba, eh? I've always wanted to visit Cuba.

Western Asia:

In school today one of the rabbis who keeps extremely up to date with Israeli news announced this. Its not a mandatory fast, though.

...I have no doupt that ALOT of people,not only jews died in WW2. But I do find it very hard to belive out of them all 6 million of them were Jews...
No, about 12 million people died as a result. of those 12 million, half of them (6 million) were Jews. The rest were Poles, Slavs, gays, cripples, POWs, gypsies, and others.

Thanks. I've often been quick to accept everything I hear; only recently have I *really* begun to come to my own conclusions. It would be interesting, however, to compare the "credible" evidence for 6 million with the "credible" evidence for less. Just a thought.


101 minutes ago The Dictatorship of A White Man Lets have some fun with these jew basterds. Keep things civel so you dont get banned. But lets put them jew pricks in there place and get them to come clean on the jew backed lies of WW2....who knows, we may even get one of them to relize that there Jew brothers are a pack of lieing scum.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8458191&posted=1#post8458191

from the white mans region......... just felt like posting it ..... made me sick

[QUOTE=The Philosophes] Orthodox and Chasidic will tell you that, as the Torah says, homosexuals should be stoned (as should adulterers, by the way)./QUOTE]

Woah, woah, woah! Slow down there, cowboy!

You guys keep mistaking Orthodox Jews for Ultra-Orthodox. The Bible says that gays should be stoned, but then again, it says a lot of people should be stoned. That's why we have Rabbis and Talmud to interpret.

And you really can't base Jewish views on Reform Judaism.


sorry! generalizing so as to be partial to my own beliefs. You are right, of course. It is VERY unacceptable in orthodox communities though, yes? i believe nowadays you are shunned or something to that effect.

Western Asia:

In school today one of the rabbis who keeps extremely up to date with Israeli news announced this. Its not a mandatory fast, though.
Well, *yes*, but what's it for? the failure of peace talks? that seems to be pretty popular.

[QUOTE=LeTuar]


sorry! generalizing so as to be partial to my own beliefs. You are right, of course. It is VERY unacceptable in orthodox communities though, yes? i believe nowadays you are shunned or something to that effect.

Well, I've never really encountered the issue before. We haven't gotten up to it in Bible study, or in Talmud study, but I'm sure that the issue is confronted.

wow i've learned some stuff today. well i just got a couple of question more then i'll be tapped. Ok so i was watching this freespeech channel and it talked about how being gay was frowned down on when ur a jew. just like in america (thank u republicans for saying who people can marry). But where do jews stand on abortion?/ when does a fetus become a person accourding to jewdism. ohh wat is a driving pryer? my friend has one but i have no idea wat it is..... she can't even drive yet. so jewish people don't belive in a hell but they do belive people pay for there sins.... how then?

Different Jewish communities have different opinions on current social issues. I believe that the Conservative movement in America is currently in support of stem cell research and allows for homosexual congregants and even congregational leaders, although the concept of same-sex marriage is, generally, up for debate (as a rule, in judaism, almost any ruling or belief that comes out of interpretations of the Torah is up for debate.) My temple is very accepting of homosexual members, to my knowledge, but many are not.

Abortion is a tricky issue. Normally, one would not like to see life taken away, but while abortion is, I believe, traditionally disliked it is not forbidden as in catholicism or as in some other forms of Christianity. Life begins, in Judaism, at the moment of viability (somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd trimesters, when most abortions are already banned or not done for other reasons)...or simply at birth (Christianity views life as beginning at the moment of conception). There are some very good writings on this that I encourage you to look for, although I am not read up on the subject.

Judaism is focused more on doing good deeds (mitzvot) than on avoiding the bad (sins and such). There are earthly and heavenly punishments for transgressions, sins, and crimes (each is different in meaning) and there are, in fact, a few crimes for which the Torah allows for or proscribes the death penalty. The rabbis have developed an understanding of the existence of several hundred mitzvot (good deeds, individually a mitzvah), which range from having a bris (see my previous post) to having a bar/bat mitzvah to having children to remembering certain holidays to simply being a good person. Sins or transgressions are viewed as bad things, but G-d is considered to be forgiving (for the most part) and so there is almost no mention of hell in traditional Judaism (I've only heard one of our rabbim mention it once, and that was examining why there is no hell in judaism). Instead of confessional, which entrusts knowledge of the sins and forgiveness for them to a priest, the Jewish new year has a special period where one asks forgiveness for their sins (of god) and for the wrongs they have done to others (of those subjects, if possible. Generally, one is advised to ask all of one's acquaintances for forgiveness of any wrongs done to them over the past year.) This purification process seeks to remind people to avoid bad deeds and seek to do the good instead.

As far as special prayers go, we have prayers for just about everything (from different types of food to one for waking and seeing G-d's creations to praying for a quick recovery from illness to a blessing said when one hears the sirens of an ambulance or fire engine, which wishes the people aboard success in their mission). Driving is just another prayer opportunity and some more religious folks may say that prayer before they drive.

No, about 12 million people died as a result. of those 12 million, half of them (6 million) were Jews. The rest were Poles, Slavs, gays, cripples, POWs, gypsies, and others.
Prove it,then I will belive it. Untill then.........

Well, *yes*, but what's it for? the failure of peace talks? that seems to be pretty popular.

Its because the Israelis are handing over full Palistinian control of Gush Katif and Jericho tomorrow. I think this fast is extremely left-wing, though.

Abortion is a tricky issue. Normally, one would not like to see life taken away, but while abortion is, I believe, traditionally disliked it is not forbidden as in catholicism or as in some other forms of Christianity. Life begins, in Judaism, at the moment of viability (somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd trimesters, when most abortions are already banned or not done for other reasons)...or simply at birth (Christianity views life as beginning at the moment of conception). There are some very good writings on this that I encourage you to look for, although I am not read up on the subject.


The way my rabbi explained it to me, the mother's life is ALWAYS more important than that of the unborn foetus. The life already in existence is more important than that that has yet to be born. BUT that does not answer the question of abortions because people feel like it, just that the foetus should be aborted if the woman's life is in danger or if she would not be able to support it.

You do all know that "A White Man" has publically stated he is trolling on hi region's messageboard?

You'd have to ask a Cuban Jew. :) If it is necessary for survival, a Jew can eat pork. However, one doesn't need to eat meat to survive. How's the chicken population? Maybe they just eat plenty of chicken and fish.

Ah, you beat me to it all! :) Good work.

FYI to others: breaking almost any rule, including the restrictions on working during Shabbat and on certain holidays (such as Yom Kippur) is allowed if it promotes the preservation of life (especially of that person). This is one of the reasons why the 1973 Yom Kippur war was launched on that date: The Arab leadership knew that most Jews would not be on guard for a military attack and they hoped that it would take too long for the Israeli armed forces to respond...so much for that!

White and Proud punk!

And I hope you enjoy that fealing you have right now. :upyours:

Western Asia:

In school today one of the rabbis who keeps extremely up to date with Israeli news announced this. Its not a mandatory fast, though.

Yes, well, technically nothing a Rabbi says is mandatory. Every educated man has within him the capacity to interpret Torah. A Rabbi is just the one who everyone else said, "Ah let him do it, I have other things to tend to."

:D

Sieg Heil! :p


Seek Help! :p

Sieg Heil! :p

I hope you enjoy that fealing you have right now. :upyours:
What feeling would that be?

You do all know that "A White Man" has publically stated he is trolling on hi region's messageboard?

wow, you're right. and i thought he was being civilized!
:(

ohhhh last one there is said to be a code in the tora have people alway thought this, or this just a new fad? Is there a code only in the tora b/c its the most orginial bibio? ohhh and did moses write the tora?l

Seek Help! :p
sorry,the Doc said there was no help for me so I killed him. :mp5:

wow, you're right. and i thought he was being civilized!
:(
I am Civel to anyone who is civel to me.

I am Civel to anyone who is civel to me.

yeah, so much for that one, bucko. That boat's officially sailed.

101 minutes ago The Dictatorship of A White Man Lets have some fun with these jew basterds. Keep things civel so you dont get banned. But lets put them jew pricks in there place and get them to come clean on the jew backed lies of WW2....who knows, we may even get one of them to relize that there Jew brothers are a pack of lieing scum.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8458191&posted=1#post8458191

from the white mans region......... just felt like posting it ..... made me sick

Thanks Meaning. For those who have problems understanding the above, a translation is provided below:

"Let's have some fun harassing these Jewish [censored]. Keep things under wraps so that the moderatorss don't catch on and ban us for flaming and being so foolish as to make postings including our nefarious plans on our regional message board. In any case, let's work to demean these people, who I suppose are homosexual (since I don't like them either) and try to get them to admit to the 'facts' that we have 'discovered' in the readings of our fellow white supremacists, the ultimate authority for all things relating to race, sexual orientation, religion, and the general superiority of whatever group it is that I come from (matters of wisdom, education, economics, and class aside). If we are supremely fortunate, we may even convince one of them that they, themselves, are 'lying' and they might be brainwashed into accepting our twisted doctrines. Farewell, my brethren, and godspeed.

Your most humble servant and friend, &etc.
- The Authoritarian Centrist Government of a Singular Caucasian Male

Post Scriptum: The directions to the forum thread is attached."


PS
For reference:
(Improper English)=(Proper English)

There=Their (plural possessive), or They're (plural descriptive), or There (location)

Lieing=Lying

Basterds=Bastards

Relize=Realize

Civel=Civil

yeah, so much for that one, bucko. That boat's officially sailed.
I was not rude to you was I? Nope, you asked me a question in a Civel manner and I answerd it in a Civel manner. Just because I dont belive what you belive does not mean I can not have a civel discusion on it. ;)

ohhhh last one there is said to be a code in the tora have people alway thought this, or this just a new fad? Is there a code only in the tora b/c its the most orginial bibio? ohhh and did moses write the tora?l

It's relatively new. Torah is "codified", but that doesn't mean it's in code. There is mystical meaning to each individual character of Hebrew, but it doesn't create a whole new Torah when examined one character at a time, but rather re-enforces the message.

As for Moses writing Torah, it is generally accepted that it was dictated to Moses by Allah and, in turn, dictated to various scribes by Moses. I believe it wasn't compiled until after Moses's death. Incidently, Moses also wrote the book of Job.

Thanks Meaning. For those who have problems understanding the above, a translation is provided below:

"Let's have some fun harassing these Jewish [censored]. Keep things under wraps so that the moderatorss don't catch on and ban us for flaming and being so foolish as to make postings including our nefarious plans on our regional message board. In any case, let's work to demean these people, who I suppose are homosexual (since I don't like them either) and try to get them to admit to the 'facts' that we have 'discovered' in the readings of our fellow white supremacists, the ultimate authority for all things relating to race, sexual orientation, religion, and the general superiority of whatever group it is that I come from (matters of wisdom, education, economics, and class aside). If we are supremely fortunate, we may even convince one of them that they, themselves, are 'lying' and they might be brainwashed into accepting our twisted doctrines. Farewell, my brethren, and godspeed.

Your most humble servant and friend, &etc.
- The Authoritarian Centrist Government of a Singular Caucasian Male

Post Scriptum: The directions to the forum thread is attached."
you can take it anyway you want. I realy dont care. Its there for all to read, I have nothing to hide.

I am Civel to anyone who is civel to me.

Well, one would have to define "civility" in this capacity. That which is civil to me may, or may not, coincide with your relative definition of that which is civil.

*shrug*

do jews hate commuinist b/c they are atheist?

do jews hate commuinist b/c they are atheist?

I'm a communist and I'm not atheist. :)

I don't think Jews hate communists. Not that I'm aware of, anyway.

Well, one would have to define "civility" in this capacity. That which is civil to me may, or may not, coincide with your relative definition of that which is civil.

*shrug*
I define it as haveing an open discusion without resorting to name calling and flaming just because someone else belives something differnt from you.

ohhhh last one there is said to be a code in the tora have people alway thought this, or this just a new fad? Is there a code only in the tora b/c its the most orginial bibio? ohhh and did moses write the tora?l
always. al-ways. the only thing that's changed is the interpretation. The laws come from the Torah, Genesis through Deuteronomy. The resulting practices mostly come from the Talmud, rabbinic interpretations on the meanings for the 613 mitzvot. Every inch of the Talmud is filled with debates and arguments. Example:

Rabbi A, son of B says: 1 and 2 are permissible, but 3 is not.

Rabbi C, who taught in the name of D says: all are permissible.

Rabbi E (who apparently is not related to anyone) says: none are permissible except under certain circumstances.

Different branches have different views on the authorship of the Torah. The really observant people say Yes, Moses Wrote It, Even Of His Own Death. The less observant have different Theories. Deuteronomy seems to have been written much later (style, idioms, all that).

Any other questions about Judaism, so that the flame:information ratio can be improved?

I define it as haveing an open discusion without resorting to name calling and flaming just because someone else belives something differnt from you.

Ah ... well I wouldn't worry too much about that from me.

Okay, listen Keruvalia. Your great and all for participating, but I've got to set some facts straight.

Muslims call God Allah.

Most Orthodox Jews, and some Conservative, believe that God transcribed the Torah to Moses.

No hard feelings.

About the code:

I think what he is talking about is The Bible Code that mathematicians discovered. They found patterns in the letters that can spell out the future. They enter something into the search database and they get matches. What's cool is that this only works with the Bible. Also, the guy who discovered it saw the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin predicted in the Bible, and actually warned Rabin that he would be killed.

do jews hate commuinist b/c they are atheist?
No. I'm communist AND Jewish! In fact, I go to a communist Jewish summer camp with lots of other people like me and am part of that camp's youth movement! http://www.habonimdror.org

The anti-communism is either a result of growing up in cold war US or growing up in the USSR, which was extremely unfriendly towards the soviet Jews.

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PS
For reference:
(Hatespeak)=(Proper English)

There=Their (plural possessive), or They're (plural descriptive), or There (location)

Lieing=Lying

Basterds=Bastards

Relize=Realize

Civel=Civil

i agree with most u said but, the last part no...... I can't speel goods and i'm not white surperminist :(

ok. Here, I've some questions for you:

1) Christians will claim that the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. Is this the case with all Jews, no Jews, or are there dissenting opinions?

2) The Books of Moses and those that followed have well documented the works of the prophets. Are Jews looking for prophets? Are there Jewish equivelants to Nashville Televangelists?

3) Solomon's Temple was leveled several times, and subsequently rebuilt. The last time it was leveled by the Romans. Do you know why it has not been rebuilt? Does anyone know what to do with it if it were rebuilt?

Ok. there's something for you.
tHanks

Deuteronomy seems to have been written much later (style, idioms, all that).

For those that believe that God transcribed the Torah to Moses, they believe that Moses actually wrote Dueteronomy. It's basically a long speech before his death.

Okay, listen Keruvalia. Your great and all for participating, but I've got to set some facts straight.

Muslims call God Allah.

Most Orthodox Jews, and some Conservative, believe that God transcribed the Torah to Moses.

No hard feelings.


What hard feelings? You've said nothing I haven't already said.


I think what he is talking about is The Bible Code

Well that's actually been debunked as hooey. The same can be done with any text written in any language.

They ran tests on other books and it only works with the Torah.

And Keruvalia, I just wanted to make sure you weren't offended by what I said.

1) Christians will claim that the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. Is this the case with all Jews, no Jews, or are there dissenting opinions?

True. Jews are still waiting patiently.

2) The Books of Moses and those that followed have well documented the works of the prophets. Are Jews looking for prophets? Are there Jewish equivelants to Nashville Televangelists?

The time of the Prophets has ended and, according to Judaism, there will be no new Prophets until the Messiah. As far as I know, there are no Jewish equivalents to televangelists. Judaism does not allow active conversion. Jews cannot go out and preach to people.

3) Solomon's Temple was leveled several times, and subsequently rebuilt. The last time it was leveled by the Romans. Do you know why it has not been rebuilt? Does anyone know what to do with it if it were rebuilt?

The Temple was only leveled twice. :) It hasn't been rebuilt because Jews were exiled from Israel by God and it is only by God, not military might, that the Jews may return.

And Keruvalia, I just wanted to make sure you weren't offended by what I said.

Meh ... I am very, very difficult to offend. :)

ok. Here, I've some questions for you:

1) Christians will claim that the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. Is this the case with all Jews, no Jews, or are there dissenting opinions?

2) The Books of Moses and those that followed have well documented the works of the prophets. Are Jews looking for prophets? Are there Jewish equivelants to Nashville Televangelists?

3) Solomon's Temple was leveled several times, and subsequently rebuilt. The last time it was leveled by the Romans. Do you know why it has not been rebuilt? Does anyone know what to do with it if it were rebuilt?

Ok. there's something for you.
tHanks

1 Some Jews belive in Messiah, some don't. Some Jews believe in Jesus.

2 I have no clue.

3 Religious Jews belive that the Temple was holy. It was only rebuilt once. They belive that there will be three temples: Solomon's, the 2nd one, which was not as holy as Solomon's, and the one that will be built when the messiah comes. This will be the holiest of them all and won't be destroyed.

do jews hate commuinist b/c they are atheist?

Karl Marx, whose socialist beliefs became the foundation for the radical form of socialism known as Marxism or Marxist Communism, was a German Jew, as were many of his original followers. Jews under Soviet rule, however, met varied levels of treatment. Sometimes they were oppressed and at other times they were given free reign. In any case, when they were allowed, many soviet Jews fled to Israel.

Some early communist leaders tried to set up a new "Homeland" for the Jews within the Soviet Union (I believe somewhere on the edge of Siberia...) but it had limited appeal (it wasn't Israel, after all).

Jews don't tend to hate other religious groups or orders so much as fear most of them (for the potential for radicalism). Atheists are just considered to be not-jews, and that's just about the end of it.

ok. Here, I've some questions for you:

1) Christians will claim that the Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. Is this the case with all Jews, no Jews, or are there dissenting opinions?
lots of dissenting opinions. as far as I know, there are lots of theories on the nature of the Messiah; person, concept, or what?

2) The Books of Moses and those that followed have well documented the works of the prophets. Are Jews looking for prophets? Are there Jewish equivelants to Nashville Televangelists?
can't really answer the first one. as to the second... Abe Foxman? Other than that, not really, because of the nature of Judaism.

3) Solomon's Temple was leveled several times, and subsequently rebuilt. The last time it was leveled by the Romans. Do you know why it has not been rebuilt? Does anyone know what to do with it if it were rebuilt?

Ok. there's something for you.
tHanks
the main reason why it hasn't been rebuilt is that there's a HUGE MOSQUE ON TOP OF IT. You might have seen pictures of it, it's got a gold roof, and it's round. Dome of the Something... Stone? Rock? Silicon Element?

The Neturei Karta, really really religious people who don't even recognize the State of Israel, and other people are preparing for the building of the Beit haMikdash. There's this solid gold candelabra in the Old City waiting to be put in the Temple, among other things. In fact, I think a perfectly red calf was born a couple years ago (think really obscure mitzvah).

i agree with most u said but, the last part no...... I can't speel goods and i'm not white surperminist :(

Duly noted. I've fixed it. Sorry about that!

Who would have thought that an "Ask a ..." thread would have devolved into spam and flaming? Wow. What a surprise.Wow, such an UNBIASED report. I HAVE to believe this. Idiot. :rolleyes:

I think you need to get your head out of your ass

You White Supremist wouldn't know true equality if it bit you in the ass.well damm, if thats the way you Veiw all White men then your the one with your head up his ass.

If you dont like that you can shove it up your ass.

Now I see what kind of a brain dead retard you are.
German Kingdoms and A White Man, you are both Officially Warned for flaming.
my history goes back as well, eventhough I have no Jewish blood in me (I continue to count my blessings).
The White Nations, statements like that are considered trolling here, even if they represent your true feelings. Knock off the trolling aspects. The rest of you trolling in the opposite direction, you need to knock it off too. It is Official Forum Policy that everyone has a right to their opinion, provided that they stay within the rules of the forums. For the most part, everyone has done so except the two officially warned.

A suggestion: Why not start yet another thread on the whole supremacy bit and give this thread back to Klonor. None of this is truly 'on-topic'.


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What do Jews think of the House of Rothchild?

*for those not in the know, Rothchild is a conspiracy theory that claims that Jewish bankers are controling the world. Last guy who told me about this (and sadly he believed it) told me about Jews in control in hollywood- and that Jews everywhere take on the nationality of their adopted country but always owe true alligiance to Israel.

(Please do not attack me, I like to read about conspiracy theories and can tell you just as much about the Christian and Muslim conspiracy theories)

ok i have to go for a short time but i want to know who was David and why does he have a star/ named after him?

Jesus H Christ, I'm gone for a few hours and we get ten new pages! Wow, even the old thread never lept like that.

Since I see many of the same quesions being asked over and over again (What is Kosher, the differences between Orthodox and Reform, etc.) I'm gonna edit those answers into the first post so more specific questions can be asked.

For people who've asked stuff over the past ten pages and haven't yet been answered it's probably not going to happen, I can't get through everything that's been posted. Sorry. Anyway, most of you were probably helped anyway since there's a lot of posters on here answering questions along with me and they're quite a bit more educated on those topics.

So, new questions'd be great, but let's try to keep it clean.

Jews don't tend to hate other religious groups or orders so much as fear most of them (for the potential for radicalism). Atheists are just considered to be not-jews, and that's just about the end of it.

Hence the saying, "Scratch a goy and you'll find an antisemite."

Keruvy! I am back! Did ya miss me??? :fluffle:

ok i have to go for a short time but i want to know who was David and why does he have a star/ named after him?

David was a great King of Israel - many say the greatest. He wrote the Psalms.

Keruvy! I am back! Did ya miss me??? :fluffle:

HOORAY!!

How's the new job goin'?

1). How long does it take to cremate a body?

...

11). How many years would it have taken to move these cars at the rate above mentioned?

Answer: it would have taken 16000 days divided by 365 days in a year = 54 years.



Therefore, it would not have been possible to cremate 4,000,000 people and move their ashes and residue in 3 years time.

So lets see now, you did that in eleven steps, most of which involved estimation. Fudge the estimate a little bit on each step, and you can come up with just about any number you want. Good 'ol statistics.

Who would have thought that an "Ask a ..." thread would have devolved into spam and flaming? Wow. What a surprise.

Heh ... well ... you know.

HOORAY!!

How's the new job goin'?

Its good. I just bought a new laptop tonight and have managed to latch on to someone elses wireless connection in my building lol.

It's a friggin NEWS PAPER CLIPPING. They didn't just make up the information.

Odd that none of the text shows up in a google search. But then, they couln't have just written up a fake news story, printed it out, and then scanned it to look like a newspaper, could they?

What do Jews think of the House of Rothchild?

*for those not in the know, Rothchild is a conspiracy theory that claims that Jewish bankers are controling the world. Last guy who told me about this (and sadly he believed it) told me about Jews in control in hollywood- and that Jews everywhere take on the nationality of their adopted country but always owe true alligiance to Israel.

(Please do not attack me, I like to read about conspiracy theories and can tell you just as much about the Christian and Muslim conspiracy theories)

The Rothschilds (also Rothchild) were a Jewish family that basically invented international banking and credit (in that you could get money in one country even if your bank was in another, since the money was still in the Rothschild family) sometime before WWII. Over time, their network expanded greatly and while some of the family members provided money for the initial new settlements in Israel c. 1880, they did not all agree on the idea of a Zionist movement and so many withheld their support.

Since most of the Rothschilds were either killed in the Shoah (Holocaust) or fled from their European homes, their banking basis in Europe is currently non-existant, although some Rothschilds remain and remain quite wealthy. Jewish involvement in international banking is currently greatly reduced from where it was at its peak somewhere before the start of the 20th Century.


As a Jew who lives in Hollywood, and whose family and many friends have been involved in "The Business", I will say that many Jews exist in powerful places...but if it is supposed to make Jews in general in charge of it all, or if it benefits other Jews, then you're just talking junk.


As far as where a Jew's allegiance may lie, we always identify ourselves first as people of that nation, then as Jews...as a man might first identify himself as an American before he says that he is a protestant. Just because he is a Protestant or a Catholic or a Buddhist or a Muslim does not prevent someone from being loyal to his country, being a Jew (even if it has ethnic, cultural, and religious aspects to the title) does not mean that one is not loyal to his own country...even against others of his same group.

Heh ... well ... you know.
I blame the Jews.

http://www.internationaljewishconspiracy.com/

ok i have to go for a short time but i want to know who was David and why does he have a star/ named after him?

The star's named after him beause it was the decoration he wore on his shield when he went into battle. It was only long after he died that it became representative of Judaism as a whole.

ok i have to go for a short time but i want to know who was David and why does he have a star/ named after him?

Aside from what Keruvalia already covered, the Star of David (Mogen David) is basically the sign for Jews (much as the sign for Christians is a cross and that for muslims is a Crescent). Like the Red Cross and Red Crescent, there is a Red Star of David (Magen David Adom), although the ICRC refuses to acknowledge it if only on the grounds that it is associated with Israel (since it follows all of the rules and does not discriminate in providing care to patients).

The Star of David is basically just a symbol of the old Jewish state of Israel, although it now has a more secularized role as the symbol for modern Israel.

So, why is it named after David? I don't really know, but he was considered to be one of the best Kings of Israel and so as he is a symbol of the Jewish kingdom, the Star is a symbol of the Jews.

were jews always nomans? where was the orginal homeland? were they like the frist civilastion like messophotamia or babalonya. and where that place if physicaly able u have to visit b4 death, and wats speaical about it?

Keruvy! I am back! Did ya miss me??? :fluffle:HOORAY!!

How's the new job goin'?Would you two have your conversations somewhere else, please? Like in the Spam forum or something? Can we not have a single topic without social spam in it?

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Moderator Team

I think you mean nomads, and yes. They did eventually settle in what is now Israel and form their own nation for quite a while, but they didn't start with their own homeland and have never really belonged anywhere.

New question:

When did the Jewish Nation Begin?

Why is there such a preocupation with Geneology in Moses' work?

Do Modern Jews associate themselves with every tribe of Israel or only Judah (from whence we get their modern namesake)?

so jews have their belifes and their ideas.... they don't seem to get into fights with anybody........ it seems great. i dunno why people seem to hate jews. it doesn't seem like u guys hate anyone. so thanks for answering all my questions and big thanks about the BJ one u dunno how long i've been looking for that answer. next time i see someone like white nation i'm try extra hard to defend u guys. and thanks again good night to all.

New question:

When did the Jewish Nation Begin?

There have been many throughout history. Modern Israel (Officially Jewish) began in 1948, the others began several millenia ao. I don't think there's any one official date.

Why is there such a preocupation with Geneology in Moses' work?
I have no idea, I've had no experience with the Geneology in Moses' work.

Do Modern Jews associate themselves with every tribe of Israel or only Judah (from whence we get their modern namesake)?

It depends where you're from, different people are descended from different ancestors. I'm sure somewhere you'll find people who claim to be descended from different tribes, but since I view Judaism as more of a religion than a race I don't pre-occupy myself with determining which one I'm from, I figure it will only seperate us farther from the rest of humanity.

ok. I can see that. Ruth was pretty much a convert to Judaism. Naaman was something like that too, and in either case race wasn't an issue.

I've just heard some odd conjectures. Like Denmark was settled by descendents of Dan, or that the lost tribes of Israel are in Ethiopia.

the previaling theory is that only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and part of Levi survived, and the rest were ??????ed after the Kingdom of Israel was taken over and left the Kingdom of Judah behind,

The kingdom of Israel was taken North. that's all we're told.
I've just heard details that cannot be confirmed (Like Denmark or Ethiopia)
If the word Jew is related to Judah only, then ironically enough, Moses was a Levite and wouldn't technically be Jewish.

But there were plenty of Levites left in Judah after Israel was taken away, so he may have descendants among modern Jews.

Would you two have your conversations somewhere else, please? Like in the Spam forum or something? Can we not have a single topic without social spam in it?


Humans are social creatures, Fris. Hence, socialization is not spam. It is the standard norm. :)


Do Modern Jews associate themselves with every tribe of Israel or only Judah (from whence we get their modern namesake)?

I know I'm a Benjaminite. However, in the modern sense, I recognize all Jews as being of the same tribe. We're all Jews. Many of the political divisions of the past have been cast aside for the sake of cultural unity.

What do Jews think of the House of Rothchild?

I don't pay them much mind, but it looks like the question's already been answered.

What is the deal with the IJBC?

What is the deal with the IJBC?

The International Journal of Bifurcation and Chaos?

I have a question... is it true that married Jewish women have to wear a wig to cover their real hair?

Humans are social creatures, Fris. Hence, socialization is not spam. It is the standard norm. :)
Allow me to strongly disagree. Would you walk into the middle of a business meeting, lecture, or church, and immediately start having an unrelated conversation that EVERYONE else was forced to listen to? For most people, the answer would be "no". If you answer "yes", then you are far ruder than 99% of the people I know.

Forum topics are "on-topic" for a reason. When you and the other social spammers interrupt that for your private chat sessions, it is disruptive. That is why I consider it spam, and against the rules of the NationStates forum.

Out of the thousands of active NS nations who participate in the Forums, you and perhaps a dozen others are the primary instigators of this ‘social spam’. You personally have responded to me twice, indicating that you didn’t feel my interpretation to be correct or appropriate. I’m interpreting this to mean that you have chosen to ignore a moderation ruling, and have every intention of continuing this practice. I’m going to give you this one opportunity to reconsider your choice.

From now on, such social spam, when inserted into the middle of unrelated topics, will be not just be deleted on sight but will also be considered a warning offense. This will also be mentioned in an upcoming revision of the General rules. Consider this a polite notification of said intent.

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NationStates Forum Moderator



Apologies for interrupting "Ask a Jew". Nothing further to see here. Move along. Move along.

I have a question... is it true that married Jewish women have to wear a wig to cover their real hair?

It is a practice in many Orthodox movement households for married women to wear wigs over their own hair when in public (on the basis that hair is a sign of a woman's beauty and so is inappropriate for anyone but her husband and family members to see). This seems oddly close to the Islamic practice of wearing headcoverings (albeit with a different solution to the issue).

Other quirky Orthodox practices: Women wear skirts that go down past their knees (most often to their feet), so the orthodox girls around my neighborhood are easily spotted since they all wear the (unfashionable, for Los Angeles) long skirts. Women (especially married women, I believe) are not supposed to have physical contact with men outside of their immediate family, so many Orthodox women won't shake the hands of men or boys that they are not somewhat closely related to. It doesn't mean that they can't socialize, but they can't shake hands or any such thing.

What is the deal with the IJBC?

I don't know, but I certainly haven't received my cut!

P.S. IJBC=International Jewish Banking Conspiracy, based on the Rothschilds (see above). From what I've seen, most of it is based on conjecture and misquotation of various sources. It often consists of a mix of hearsay; a few, actual wise business decisions; and a great deal of conspiracy undertones. About as reliable as the idea of the International Zionist Conspiracy or ZOG.

As I said above, if it exists it's doing a poor job of things...after all, wouldn't a Jewish Banking Conspiracy (JBC) cut off funds to the Palestinian uprising and work to destroy the finances of the surrounding Arab states (not that the Saud family needs any help wasting its money...)? Wouldn't this same conspiracy try to manipulate Europe to a more Jew- and Israel-friendly political view? There are too many 'why nots' (which, of course, conspiracy believers will say is 'planned').

What's all this about banking? I was talking about Dan Bern's back-up band.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf700/f786/f78633rlmp2.jpg

Are they Jewish, or what?

What's all this about banking? I was talking about Dan Bern's back-up band.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf700/f786/f78633rlmp2.jpg

Are they Jewish, or what?

Hahaha, I dunno, but he beat me to it. GIS shows he's jewish and an Iowan, native-born american to immigrant parents...not too much else.

Okay, I have to know, which posts over the past page are serious questions and which aren't, cause I'm a bit confused. We've got Keruvalia duking it out a Mod, hair, and Dan Bern's back-up band. I'm a bit lost.

We've got Keruvalia duking it out a Mod
That portion has moved to Moderation. How you deal with hair and Dan Bern I leave up to you. Good luck. I think you'll need it.

Oooh! Ohh! Can I help answers questions? After all my current citizenship is Israeli. I can answer, debate, etc... but unfotunetly I am not able to type in Hebrew on an english keyboard.

Oooh! Ohh! Can I help answers questions? After all my current citizenship is Israeli. I can answer, debate, etc... but unfotunetly I am not able to type in Hebrew on an english keyboard.

Of course. I don't see why not. If you have an answer, make it. Just as they are not oppressed in the Synagogues, opinions should not be oppressed here.

Being Jewish is as much a cultural experience as it is a religious one and every Jew takes away from it what they see. There are no hard and fast rules to the Jewish experience. It's what makes us such a spectacular people. :)

So, yes, answer away!

What is a bar mitzva?

What is a bar mitzva?

It's the ceremony where a Jewish boy becomes a Jewish man in the eyes of God and the Temple - your local laws may vary. Traditionally, this is at 13. It means the boy can now lead prayers and sing kaddish in the synagogue.

"Bar Mitzvah" means "Son of the Covenant" and it is what you become at the ceremony where you read haftorah and get a lot of pen sets.

Technically, you *become* a bar miztvah, you don't have one.