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Hypothetical Scenario.

The Earth had entered what we shall deem a severe Class 3 Zombie Infection, bordering on Class 4.

Zombies have risen up in all major cities and also infect many rural areas.

Most military and police services have been infected or destroyed.

The zombies have primarily come from hospitals and are fanning out in all direction from these hotspots.

General panic has struck, roads out are jammed, public services such as water and electricty has been cut off.

What do you do?

Glass the planet.
*deranged smile*

Get me one of these...http://www.montysminiguns.com/miniand4kcan.jpg

breed them and use them to bolster my army

Becareful, if you're a student you could be suspended if those zombies get near a school...

Get me one of these...http://www.montysminiguns.com/miniand4kcan.jpg

That is a nice weapon, but it's impractical for several reasons:

1) Difficult to aquire - You would not have one lying around the house, and getting one would be extremely hard, particularly with zombies roaming the streets.

2) Heavy - A weapon of that much mass would not only potentially break your spine/cause a hernia, it would drastically slow you down. Speed and brains are the greatest advantages you have against your undead foe.

3) Insanely innacurate - The only way to kill a zombie is by either destroying the brain or seperating the brain from the rest of the body. A minigun pumps out bullets at a ridiculously fast rate, but is wildly innaccurate. Thus it would be unlikely you could land direct head-shots on a zombie consistently.

4) Rapid-Use of Ammo - With such a rapid rate of fire, the weapon would very quickly run out of ammo, especially if you were being attacked by hordes of the unholy dead. Minigun ammo is also extremely difficult to come by.

carm then with a song from the cheeky girls (it's mindless garbage... like the song) and then instruct them to go and join the post office staff.

breed them and use them to bolster my army

Unlikely.

Zombies are typically extremely unintelligent and have no possibility of training or domestication. It would be on par with attempting to teach an insect.

Also, zombies do not technically breed. All reproductive functions have ceased as well as most other organ-based activity.

They would most likely simply devour your army and then promptly disembowl you.

Becareful, if you're a student you could be suspended if those zombies get near a school...

OT, but I'll address it.

The student in question did actually NOT write about zombies in his original story, he merely claimed it. Upon inspection, authorities determined there had been no mention of the undead.

carm then with a song from the cheeky girls (it's mindless garbage... like the song) and then instruct them to go and join the post office staff.

As stated before, zombies are extremely unintelligent and such activities would not only waste valuable escape and planning time, but would merely attract the shuffling horrors to fresh meat - yours!

http://www.jestmag.com/3-5/zombie.html

i think this covers most of your questions

Use clerics to turn/command them (depending on the clerics alignment)
oops wrong game
lol

As stated before, zombies are extremely unintelligent and such activities would not only waste valuable escape and planning time, but would merely attract the shuffling horrors to fresh meat - yours!
nothing like killing a joke...... does that make it an undead joke??

http://www.jestmag.com/3-5/zombie.html

Whilst filled with some marginally good advice, much of this so-called "guide" is vastly impractical and most likely get you eaten while you wasted time looking around the house for a shotgun or katana.

This is a REAL hypothetical scenario guys, try and think of something. Have a little fun, but aim to survive!

Zombies are slow, stupid and their only real method of attack is to bite you, right (going by Shaun of the Dead). so i drive down to Cardiff castle, nab myself (and my mates) a suit of armour (aha no biting, see) and go looting! HMV is my first stop, then Virgin Megastores, then anywhere else I fancy :)

That is a nice weapon, but it's impractical for several reasons:

1) Difficult to aquire - You would not have one lying around the house, and getting one would be extremely hard, particularly with zombies roaming the streets.

2) Heavy - A weapon of that much mass would not only potentially break your spine/cause a hernia, it would drastically slow you down. Speed and brains are the greatest advantages you have against your undead foe.

3) Insanely innacurate - The only way to kill a zombie is by either destroying the brain or seperating the brain from the rest of the body. A minigun pumps out bullets at a ridiculously fast rate, but is wildly innacurate. Thus it would be unlikely you could land direct head-shots on a zombie consistently.

4) Rapid-Use of Ammo - With such a rapid rate of fire, the weapon would very quickly run out of ammo, especially if you were being attacked by hordes of the unholy dead. Minigun ammo is also extremely difficult to come by.

ahem...it was a joke... :rolleyes:...i wasn't even being remotely serious, but "allow me to retort" (sorry watched Pulp Fiction last night...its a great line)

1) True

2) Mount it on a land rover, speed, power and a huge gun :D

3) Who needs accuracy at 3,000 RPM? You gonna spray so many bullets in the direction of the zombies a great many of them are gonna be head shots.

4) Once out of ammo, lump it off the back of the Landrover and make a break for it having caused enough carnage to give me/others a head start, preferably to a marina to get a boat and head out to see to live off fish for the remainder of the zombie infestation :D

Break into the local hunting store and take all black powder they have available, muzzle loaders are to slow anyway. Get to bomb making.

ok i'l steal from the "eternal darkness", i'd cast a Mortroc reviel invisable spell (which makes me invisable) and sneak

Zombies are slow, stupid
Correct!
their only real method of attack is to bite you
Anything which gets their fluids in contact with yours. One drop of zombie blood is enough to infect a human.
so i drive down to Cardiff castle
The roads are a horrific mess, cars jam all major exits as masses of people attempt to escape.
nab myself (and my mates) a suit of armour
Ah yes armour, the classic percieved protection. Unfortunately, in reality the armour is both extremely heavy and cumbersome. (Speed, remember) Not only that, it offers no real assured protection from the undead. Sure, one zombie might have a hard time getting to you, but five, ten or twenty would have no trouble ripping the armour from your body and feasting on your internal organs. You would also take a helm, I presume, to avoid them reaching your face. Doing so would drastically restrict your vision which is very dangerous when zombies are around.
and go looting!
Looting for resources and supplies is a very good idea, (money is at the moment effectively worthless) but doing it for extraneous purposes is not only foolish, but downright suicidal.

Keep in mind guys, I'm not being a dick on purpose, I'm just curious as to what people would actually do should zombies rise and walk this earth.

4) Once out of ammo, lump it off the back of the Landrover and make a break for it having caused enough carnage to give me/others a head start, preferably to a marina to get a boat and head out to see to live off fish for the remainder of the zombie infestation :D

Is it possible to get zombie fish? Personally I'd rather stay on land. Less chance of being attacked by a zombie whale there.

Ah yes armour, the classic percieved protection. Unfortunately, in reality the armour is both extremely heavy and cumbersome. (Speed, remember) Not only that, it offers no real assured protection from the undead. Sure, one zombie might have a hard time getting to you, but five, ten or twenty would have no trouble ripping the armour from your body and feasting on your internal organs. You would also take a helm, I presume, to avoid them reaching your face. Doing so would drastically restrict your vision which is very dangerous when zombies are around.


I would like to point out that armour isn't that heavy (Historical battle armour as found in the Royal Armouries and in various private collections rarely exceeds about 40-50lbs, lighter than the gun i chose...) and a fit person can easily walk and run in it.

Correct!

Anything which gets their fluids in contact with yours. One drop of zombie blood is enough to infect a human.

The roads are a horrific mess, cars jam all major exits as masses of people attempt to escape.

Ah yes armour, the classic percieved protection. Unfortunately, in reality the armour is both extremely heavy and cumbersome. (Speed, remember) Not only that, it offers no real assured protection from the undead. Sure, one zombie might have a hard time getting to you, but five, ten or twenty would have no trouble ripping the armour from your body and feasting on your internal organs. You would also take a helm, I presume, to avoid them reaching your face. Doing so would drastically restrict your vision which is very dangerous when zombies are around.

Looting for resources and supplies is a very good idea, (money is at the moment effectively worthless) but doing it for extraneous purposes is not only foolish, but downright suicidal.

Keep in mind guys, I'm not being a dick on purpose, I'm just curious as to what people would actually do should zombies rise and walk this earth.
What are the odds of this happening???

Whilst filled with some marginally good advice, much of this so-called "guide" is vastly impractical and most likely get you eaten while you wasted time looking around the house for a shotgun or katana.

This is a REAL hypothetical scenario guys, try and think of something. Have a little fun, but aim to survive!


If this was a 'real' hypothetical scenario I would laugh at the idiots who think the dead can rise.

1) True
This effectively negates all your further points.

I actually wrote a huge reply to this, but the god-damn server screwed me, so you'll just have to take my word for it!

I'll gather together a few grasscutters tie them to my car.. and augment it to be one giant Zombie decapitating machine.

(Drawing picture now)

The only flaw to this, would be petrol.. which hopefully I can tank up somewhere safe and secured. :(

I would like to point out that armour isn't that heavy (Historical battle armour as found in the Royal Armouries and in various private collections rarely exceeds about 40-50lbs, light than the gun i chose...) and a fit person can easily walk and run in it.
1) Is he fit enough?
2) Can he fit INTO it?
3) He could walk and run, but he'd get tired pretty quickly.
4) It would be very uncomfortable, most armour on display these days is lacking the vital clothing which was worn by knights underneath.
5) You didn't respond to my point about more than one zombie. I'll assume this means you concede to it. :)

This effectively negates all your further points.

I actually wrote a huge reply to this, but the god-damn server screwed me, so you'll just have to take my word for it!

Nah, caus if we are in a world of unlikely events like the zombie outbreak...then i 'could' find a minigun...the possibility is there.

Oh and as a little idea, caus the server sometimes buggers up, i always copy long posts so if the server does screw up then you can just paste the stuff back in...

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
*starts munching on Falhaar* hmmmm tastes like chicken *keeps munching*

I live on an island, so I guess we'd just blow up the bridge and hope to God they hadn't got to us. Personnally I'd raid the supermarket and then hole up in the Norman church near me - small, reinforced doors and tiny windows. The graveyard makes a perfect dead-zone (ha ha)

What are the odds of this happening???
This is a hypothetical scenario. Granted, an EXTREMELY unlikely one, but a scenario nonetheless.

If this was a 'real' hypothetical scenario I would laugh at the idiots who think the dead can rise.
Well if it was 'real' then zombies would be around, and laughing would be healthy for you in the short term, but not quite so healthy when the ravenous hordes of the undead feast on your bones!

1) Is he fit enough?
2) Can he fit INTO it?
3) He could walk and run, but he'd get tired pretty quickly.
4) It would be very uncomfortable, most armour on display these days is lacking the vital clothing which was worn by knights underneath.
5) You didn't respond to my point about more than one zombie. I'll assume this means you concede to it. :)


1) I was just pointing out that wearing armour isn't too bad

2) You could wear normal clothes underneath, thats not a problem, esp if its made to fit right. but for now we can assume it won't and that he will only be able to wear parts of it, thus negating the whole purpose of it

3) He would be less tired than looting all the time...it really isn't that big a deal wearing armour...trust me i've tried it, its just like walking around with a heavy backpack on.

and as for the one drop of zombie blood into your blood stream yeah...thats just unlucky :D

Nah, caus if we are in a world of unlikely events like the zombie outbreak...then i 'could' find a minigun...the possibility is there.
The only thing different about the world in this scenario is that zombies have attacked, all other factors remain the same (albeit not for long!)

If I had wanted to include miniguns I would have written "Zombies attack, and a minigun miraculously appears in your hands, what do you do?"

I don't think that would have been as interesting. :)

http://artpad.art.com/?ide58n2lyvc

I'll get my Humvee.. Tie a airplane propeller to the front, and put some shielding at the side for the zombie parts to slide to the side.. and push through a crowd. Muahahah.

Thats just for my vehicle..

This is a hypothetical scenario. Granted, an EXTREMELY unlikely one, but a scenario nonetheless.


Well if it was 'real' then zombies would be around, and laughing would be healthy for you in the short term, but not quite so healthy when the ravenous hordes of the undead feast on your bones!


If the zombies can happen, it's equally likely that it turns out I am God, and turn the zombies into rocks, then bread, then burgers. Then, less magically, crap.

I'll gather together a few grasscutters tie them to my car.. and augment it to be one giant Zombie decapitating machine.
Whilst I like your picture, (it's cool!), this machine is vastly impractical to implement.

Fuel would not only be a major concern, the time to construct it would severly hamper your chances of survival. Also, where would you get those propellor blades and tractor shield?

Also, you have a Humvee?!

Only in America!

If the zombies can happen, it's equally likely that it turns out I am God, and turn the zombies into rocks, then bread, then burgers. Then, less magically, crap.
*sigh* This is hypothetical, thus it is not likely to occur, however there is an EXTREMELY remote chance of it happening. ;)

Whilst I like your picture, (it's cool!), this machine is vastly impractical to implement.

Fuel would not only be a major concern, the time to construct it would severly hamper your chances of survival. Also, where would you get those propellor blades and tractor shield?



Propeller blades, I can find.. No problem. If not I can use multiple blades from grasscutters. Just have to rig it up to the engine fan. Same as the shield, using the tractors scooper which I would have to chop into 2. Just have to find a welding machine to piece them all unto my car.

Probablly can do it all in a day or two.

Also, you have a Humvee?!

Only in America!

Thats so true. :(

However I have a Frontera easily at my disposal. 2.2 Litre's. Not too shabby. But not as rough and tough. And less petrol consuming.

Probablly can do it all in a day or two.
Hopefully zombies will not have heard the sounds of somebody loudly welding, otherwise you could be in trouble.

I'll assume that since you have access to a tractor scooper, you live on a rural property, in which case, congratulations! You have a far higher chance of survival than your urban counterparts!

Once you get this death-car, how do you plan to survive?

If the zombies can happen, it's equally likely that it turns out I am God, and turn the zombies into rocks, then bread, then burgers. Then, less magically, crap.

Mock not the Zombie Apocalypse. Or else they'll catch you off guard. Perhaps tonight around 10pm... you hear a groan, a moan from outside your window. You peek out to the ground floor, and see hoards of zombies approaching your house door. And one zombie rings the doorbell.

But because you are unprepared.. Your mom foolishly opens the door, and gets bitten and ravaged by the zombies soon joining amongst the hoard.

When that time happeneds. What do you do? Who will come save you? You better be prepared for the worst case scenario.

I'd just get myself one of these suckers:
http://www.freefoto.com/preview.jsp?id=07-37-5&k=Combine+Harvester
Sharpen the blades, fire it up and go Zombie Harvesting!

Once you get this death-car, how do you plan to survive?

I stay around the edge of the city. Something like the suburbs.. I haven't really decided.. I have thought of barricading myself with a few survivors in the nearby shopping mall, the 'Jaya Supermarket' (not a big shopping mall, but has all necessities, from food, electrical parts, car repair, etc etc. (Few entrances and exits for easier barricading)

And my car-o-chopper as a emergency escape that I can ride down from the second floor.

There is no realistic way of staying at a fixed location for long periods. Having A mode of transportation is always a necessity nevertheless to escape the horde. Plus being a 4-wheel drive. I can go through tougher terrains and carry more food and water.

That is a nice weapon, but it's impractical for several reasons:

1) Difficult to aquire - You would not have one lying around the house, and getting one would be extremely hard, particularly with zombies roaming the streets.

Get a Class III permit in the US, and about 25,000 dollars.

2) Heavy - A weapon of that much mass would not only potentially break your spine/cause a hernia, it would drastically slow you down. Speed and brains are the greatest advantages you have against your undead foe.

Mount it on a car, and drive around having fun.

3) Insanely innacurate - The only way to kill a zombie is by either destroying the brain or seperating the brain from the rest of the body. A minigun pumps out bullets at a ridiculously fast rate, but is wildly innaccurate. Thus it would be unlikely you could land direct head-shots on a zombie consistently.

It would work by completely disassembling the zombie into pieces parts. BTW, these are very accurate - you won't miss the zombie - he'll be chopped into pieces smaller than the tip of your thumb.

4) Rapid-Use of Ammo - With such a rapid rate of fire, the weapon would very quickly run out of ammo, especially if you were being attacked by hordes of the unholy dead. Minigun ammo is also extremely difficult to come by.
Minigun ammo (for the M134) is 7.62 NATO (308 Winchester). Fairly common in the US - almost as common as 30-06 ammo.

Get a Class III permit in the US, and about 25,000 dollars.
Am I the only one who is a little depressed by this? :(
I'm pretty certain he DOESN'T have a minigun lying around, most people wouldn't.

Minigun ammo (for the M134) is 7.62 NATO (308 Winchester). Fairly common in the US - almost as common as 30-06 ammo.

How much would ammo you need for this weapon?

How soon would you run out of ammunition?

I can see the minigun being used, quite concievably, for short term defence, but it wouldn't really be practical to lug it around, even by car. Using a car would not only be noisy, the roads would be jammed, and there are many places you could not reach by other means of transportation. The sound of a loud weapon would also attract zombies from miles around.

I'm a zombie expert, not a weapons expert ;)

You have to admit it would be fun.

As for me, I found it was expensive enough just to get an HK-21.

That in itself is accurate enough, and it's full auto. Still a lot of fun, and you can cut the zombie's head completely off at extended range.

Yes, it will attract zombies from miles around, but that's the idea.

You have to admit it would be fun.

As for me, I found it was expensive enough just to get an HK-21.

That in itself is accurate enough, and it's full auto. Still a lot of fun, and you can cut the zombie's head completely off at extended range.

Yes, it will attract zombies from miles around, but that's the idea.

Isn't that the MG thats based on the MP5, but its belt fed, can take 7.62mm shells and has a much longer barrel and tripod right?

Grab my weapons & armour, camping, fishing and outdoor gear and head out to remote areas, via mountainbike. On the way i would try to outmaneuver any zombie and avoid fights. Later i would try hunting and gathering and avoid any settlements. That is all, planning for Zombie Apocalypses isnt very high on my priorities.

I stay around the edge of the city. Something like the suburbs.. I haven't really decided.. I have thought of barricading myself with a few survivors in the nearby shopping mall, the 'Jaya Supermarket' (not a big shopping mall, but has all necessities, from food, electrical parts, car repair, etc etc. (Few entrances and exits for easier barricading)

Unfortunately whilst this might seem "ideal" at the time, the reality would be far less so.

Going somewhere like a shopping mall or centre is not only failing to plan for the long term, but it's creating a deathtrap.

THOUSANDS of other people would immediately head to places like shopping malls and the place would most likely become nothing more than one gargantuan feeding area. Chaos would rule, and chaos spreads death and violence like nothing else.

A shopping centre is ok for the short term, although you'd have to barricade all and any glass. But in the end, you've effectively trapped yourself and those zombies won't just go away!

Also, all water and electricity would be cut off, so all frozen foods would quickly go rotten, giving you a very real risk of disease (just as much a threat as any zombie!) not counting the stench.

Added to this, not only would you need fuel for your death-vehicle, you would need to make sure you had an easy escape available, and face the likely possibility of blocked roads due to mass panic, mass traffic, and mass feeding brought on by the latter points.

Stopping the car at any time would be very hazerdous, as zombies would most likely tip your car or break in through your windows. Or both.

Unlikely.

Zombies are typically extremely unintelligent and have no possibility of training or domestication. It would be on par with attempting to teach an insect.

Also, zombies do not technically breed. All reproductive functions have ceased as well as most other organ-based activity.

They would most likely simply devour your army and then promptly disembowl you.
obviously you've never seen Dead Alive with the zombie breeding scene and the demonic zombie baby

Grab my weapons & armour, camping, fishing and outdoor gear and head out to remote areas
This is the MOST practical idea I have heard yet.
Can I just ask what weapons and armour you have?
via mountainbike.
Congratulations! Yes a mountain bike is not only one of THE BEST vehicles, but it's realistic and easily aquirable!
On the way i would try to outmaneuver any zombie and avoid fights.
Hopefully they wouldn't clog the road but yes, overall avoiding fights is a realistic and good option for survival. Need I remind everyone else that this is a Global Class III scenario, bordering on Class IV! You merely waste time by actively going after them until you have properly secured a base of operations.
Later i would try hunting and gathering and avoid any settlements.
Again, good idea. I would hope you have a good knowledge of vegetation. Also, planning for crops is a way to ensure food for the future. You would also have to remain very vigilant! NEVER let your guard down! I don't envy you trying to sleep!
That is all, planning for Zombie Apocalypses isnt very high on my priorities.[/
Since zombies don't exist, I can hardly blame you :D

BTW, for those interested in what a HK-21 looks like: HK-21!! (http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://world.guns.ru/machine/hk23e_on_tripod.jpg&imgrefurl=http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg18-e.htm&h=273&w=450&sz=32&tbnid=4mHCZBV66MEJ:&tbnh=75&tbnw=124&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHK-21%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG)

So far, I would bet Whispering Legs actually stands the highest chance of survival. His military service grants him a massive advantage over others. I may personally not be in favour of joining the military, but should the zombie apocalypse come about, I'll certainly regret I didn't!

BTW, for those interested in what a HK-21 looks like: HK-21!! (http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://world.guns.ru/machine/hk23e_on_tripod.jpg&imgrefurl=http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg18-e.htm&h=273&w=450&sz=32&tbnid=4mHCZBV66MEJ:&tbnh=75&tbnw=124&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHK-21%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG)

Yup thats the one i was thinking off...nice...

id do the whole woods survivor thing for awhile but id work my way to a boat yard and hijack me a big fuck boat and stock it full of fuel and supplys and wait the situation out for awhile

1st question. Are these zombies aquatic capable?
2nd Question. Since it seems they need brains to function, would electrical currents do the trick? (I live near a dam)

im assuming that even if zombies are aquaticly active, the smell of rotting flesh from them would attrack numorous sharks...oh god... ZOMBIE SHARKS??!!

obviously you've never seen Dead Alive with the zombie breeding scene and the demonic zombie baby
Well over here it's called "Braindead", but yes I have.

I guess I've been unfair in defining the zombies, as it leaves too much open.

ZOMBIE TYPE: "REAL"

Zombies which exist and are created via transmutation brought on by the virus "Solaneum". This virus has so far proven to be 99.99% fatal and 99.99% catchable.

Solaneum is a virus which directly attacks the central brain function. It's usual incubation period is roughly 3-4 hours, following this, the human subject passes through several phases:

4-8 hours - Dizzy spells, hot and cold flashes

8-12 hours - Skin begins to turn greyish-blue, muscle contraction, headaches

12-14 hours - Delirium, vomiting, spasms

15th hour - Body enters coma phase, all functions effectively shut down except for brain activity (often mistaken for death)

22nd hour - Re-animation

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This incredible virus mutates the brain so that it basically becomes a different organ, not dependent on oxygen for survival. As a result, all bodily functions except for VERY basic lung capacity and muscular movement are permantly shut down.

The virus not only suspends the need for other organs, but it drastically reduces the rate of decomposition, as Solaneum secrets a toxin throughout the body that kills 95% of all bacteria.

[QUOTE=Falhaar]Well over here it's called "Braindead", but yes I have.

I guess I've been unfair in defining the zombies, as it leaves too much open.

ZOMBIE TYPE: "REAL"

Zombies which exist and are created via transmutation brought on by the virus "Solaneum". This virus has so far proven to be 99.99% fatal and 99.99% catchable.

Solaneum is a virus which directly attacks the central brain function. It's usual incubation period is roughly 3-4 hours, following this, the human subject passes through several phases:

4-8 hours - Dizzy spells, hot and cold flashes

8-12 hours - Skin begins to turn greyish-blue, muscle contraction, headaches

12-14 hours - Delirium, vomiting, spasms

15th hour - Body enters coma phase, all functions effectively shut down except for brain activity (often mistaken for death)

22nd hour - Re-animation

--------------------------

This incredible virus mutates the brain so that it basically becomes a different organ, not dependent on oxygen for survival. As a result, all bodily functions except for VERY basic lung capacity and muscular movement are permantly shut down.

The virus not only suspends the need for other organs, but it drastically reduces the rate of decomposition, as Solaneum secrets a toxin throughout the body that kills 95% of all bacteria.[/Q

dude you cant just make that general of a statement about zombieness, there are so many diffrent kind of zombies, you got night of the living dead style, 28 days later style, crazy smart zombies in night of the livng dead 3 which are mist activated, you just cant assume a normal zombie gestation period, because zombie activity is extreamly abnormal

dude you cant just make that general of a statement about zombieness, there are so many diffrent kind of zombies, you got night of the living dead style, 28 days later style, crazy smart zombies in night of the livng dead 3 which are mist activated, you just cant assume a normal zombie gestation period, because zombie activity is extreamly abnormal

True, one COULD make assumptions. However I've just laid down the ground-rules to correct that problem.

id do the whole woods survivor thing for awhile but id work my way to a boat yard and hijack me a big fuck boat and stock it full of fuel and supplys and wait the situation out for awhile

All generally very good, though I'd prefer somewhere more open for my refuge (you can see them coming). However, to all of your ideas, can I just ask "how"?

1st question. Are these zombies aquatic capable?
Excellent question. If by "aquatic capable" you mean "can they swim" then the answer is a whole-hearted NO. Zombies lack the co-ordination required to swim. Swiming is something you have to learn. Zombies cannot learn.

HOWEVER, zombies can float on the surface of the water and can be carried vast distances by currents. Zombies can also end up "walking on the bottom" since they don't need to breathe. There could be literally thousands, maybe even millions of them just wandering aimlessly along the bottom. That's why even if you have an island hide-away, one must ALWAYS be vigilant. You never know if one of them might rise to the surface...

2nd Question. Since it seems they need brains to function, would electrical currents do the trick? (I live near a dam)
If you delivered enough electrical power to fry their brains, then yes, electricity could work. Don't forget, zombies are unaffected by pain, emotion or bloodloss, and will only stop once the brain ceases to function (or ceases to exist).

im assuming that even if zombies are aquaticly active, the smell of rotting flesh from them would attrack numorous sharks...oh god... ZOMBIE SHARKS??!!

Not a risk. Zombie flesh is extremely toxic (this is how they slow decomposition), animals would either naturally avoid zombies, or would simply die whenever they had a "zombie snack".

HOWEVER, zombies can float on the surface of the water and can be carried vast distances by currents. Zombies can also end up "walking on the bottom" since they don't need to breathe. There could be literally thousands, maybe even millions of them just wandering aimlessly along the bottom. That's why even if you have an island hide-away, one must ALWAYS be vigilant. You never know if one of them might rise to the surface...


That would depend on where your island hideaway is. If it's in the middle of the Pacific, there's probably not a lot to worry about (other than zombies floating and being carried by currents) because even zombies would have problems with the pressure in deep water, not to mention getting up to your island (because zombies can't climb).

However, if you're hiding on a little island just off the coast you may have trouble with zombies.

How about an offshore oil rig? Zombies can't climb and if the ladders were hacked off, they'll be stuck. Food would be a problem though.

Congregate my mates together. We've all got our individual contingency plans, so each persons chances for survival are pretty high. Once we congregate, we move fast.

Hanwell motorcycle shop - grab fully tanked motorcycles that are always left outside. If they're not there, we can double time it, but it's better to ride, no?

Ealing Air Cadet Sqdn 302 base - I managed to steal the codes for the armory and the supply room years ago and they haven't changed for thirty years. This gives us access to a selection of bolt action rifles, a crapload of ammo, a massive pile of ration packs and cans as well as the keys to the sqdn mini-bus. Regulations always keep it fully fuelled.

The bus is armoured like a freakin' tank. I don't know who they bought it from, but we once used it to shunt a range rover back onto the road out of a mud hole. This thing is a beauty. We keep off the motorways and use the back roads to head out of London.

Our objective is Wales. We'll avoid the motorways and head into the mountains. The best objective would be the village my grandparents were born in, although of course this would just be a supply base and storage depot. For the most part we'd keep mobile in the mountains, sweeping the village occasionally when we head in.

This is only the main thrust of the plan. Contingencies exist for most parts, but the main objective remains the same - head for the Welsh mountains, live survivalist. There are enough military bases scattered about the mountains to provide us with weaponry if we feel the need, as well as plenty of villages to raid for food. And since zombies don't seem to go for sheep, we will always be guaranteed lamb on a sunday.

Congregate my mates together. We've all got our individual contingency plans, so each persons chances for survival are pretty high. Once we congregate, we move fast.

Hanwell motorcycle shop - grab fully tanked motorcycles that are always left outside. If they're not there, we can double time it, but it's better to ride, no?

Ealing Air Cadet Sqdn 302 base - I managed to steal the codes for the armory and the supply room years ago and they haven't changed for thirty years. This gives us access to a selection of bolt action rifles, a crapload of ammo, a massive pile of ration packs and cans as well as the keys to the sqdn mini-bus. Regulations always keep it fully fuelled.

The bus is armoured like a freakin' tank. I don't know who they bought it from, but we once used it to shunt a range rover back onto the road out of a mud hole. This thing is a beauty. We keep off the motorways and use the back roads to head out of London.

Our objective is Wales. We'll avoid the motorways and head into the mountains. The best objective would be the village my grandparents were born in, although of course this would just be a supply base and storage depot. For the most part we'd keep mobile in the mountains, sweeping the village occasionally when we head in.

This is only the main thrust of the plan. Contingencies exist for most parts, but the main objective remains the same - head for the Welsh mountains, live survivalist. There are enough military bases scattered about the mountains to provide us with weaponry if we feel the need, as well as plenty of villages to raid for food. And since zombies don't seem to go for sheep, we will always be guaranteed lamb on a sunday.

Let me guess, you also have this plan for war, mass panic, terrorist attacks etc? Nicely thought out too, although the getting to Wales might be tricky...your could always go to the mendips or salisbury plain if need be...

Let me guess, you also have this plan for war, mass panic, terrorist attacks etc? Nicely thought out too, although the getting to Wales might be tricky...your could always go to the mendips or salisbury plain if need be...

:D Yep.

Although it's gotta be Wales. I mean, virally produced preservative or not, a zombie in welsh rain for more than a week is gonna be so soggy it can't move, let alone bite anyone.

Also, possibility of being on location for potential return of King Arthur is higher in Wales than any other UK location. It's a very minor factor, but important.

Well, I don't like the class III, but there may still be some airforce around.

In a situtation like this, it may be better to cut your loses and run, and by this I mean using the one way to kill zombies that hasnt been discussed so far: copious amounts of fire.

The ideal solution would be to Napalm existing areas of high infection, while using armoured vehicles in areas of less infection.

Personaly, 'd try to make it out at the first warning signs. I live in Toronto, so I'd pretty much be dead if I didn't get out quick enough, but I would be able because:

1) I know what the beginnings of a zombie attack would look like, how it would appear on the news etc.

2) Me and my friends frewuent the local Second Cup, which is in a hospital, so we would be some of the first and only to see a 'lone' starter zombie.

After this, head north east. Norther Qubec is all forest, and I'm pretty sure the Quebecer north of Montreal and Quebec could take them out.

And on the way out, I'd be tempted to set a few fires.

How about an offshore oil rig? Zombies can't climb and if the ladders were hacked off, they'll be stuck. Food would be a problem though.

In terms of safety from zombies, few places can match the offshore oilrig. There is no way they could ever get to you, once the ladders are gone. Oil could also potentially be drilled for powering generators (but I wouldn't try it unless you knew something about refining). A zombie only has a 1 in 4 chance of being able to climb a ladder, with those removed, zombies cease to be a problem.

However, other issues could arise.

1) Food. Oil rigs are well stocked, but rely on supplies from the mainland, without these, surviving would be difficult. (If you were REALLY prepared, you could bring fertiliser, wooden restraints etc and grow vegetables hydroponically, in which case you'd be set food-wise. Hope you like sea-food though!

2) Stability. The oil rig will withstand any zombie, but nature is another matter entirely. A large storm can even tip over the largest rigs, your endless exposure to salt would also render many electronic and metal devices useless after a while. I don't think you'd have a risk of the entire rig rusting away for nearly a century.

Congregate my mates together. We've all got our individual contingency plans, so each persons chances for survival are pretty high. Once we congregate, we move fast.

This is the BEST plan I have heard so far. You and your friends have obviously considered the possibility of a zombie apocalypse and have a great advantage over others.

If any of you are wondering where I got the idea for this thread from, have a lookHERE (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400049628/qid=1110894495/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-6737335-6500706).

I highly reccommend it, very entertaining and surprising informative.

:D Yep.

Although it's gotta be Wales. I mean, virally produced preservative or not, a zombie in welsh rain for more than a week is gonna be so soggy it can't move, let alone bite anyone.

Also, possibility of being on location for potential return of King Arthur is higher in Wales than any other UK location. It's a very minor factor, but important.

I think you'll find the best place for the return of King Arthur would be Alderly Edge in Cheshire, where according to legend he and his knights will ride forth from one more time to defend England in its darkest hour... :D

...which just so happens to be 30mins from where i live... :D

But hey...its just a legend...right?

Can the zombie T virus be transmittable to other hameoglobic animals?

But hey...its just a legend...right?
About as much as zombies are ;)

The ideal solution would be to Napalm existing areas of high infection, while using armoured vehicles in areas of less infection.
One would hope there were enough military personnel alive to do SOMETHING, but being a class III outbreak would make things very nasty.

Going into the forest is a sound plan. Generally with zombies, it's a good idea to go where the people aren't.

Can the zombie T virus be transmittable to other hameoglobic animals?
I wouldn't know. I'm talking about Solaneum.

Ok, I'm off to watch "Last House on the Left", but I shall be back to appraise your zombie-survival skills later! :D

Hmm.
An hour's drive from my house is a rather large lake, which has some rather nice boats on it. I suppose if the infestation got too bad on land, one could cast out and wait it out for a bit.

This is the MOST practical idea I have heard yet.
Can I just ask what weapons and armour you have?
Two knives, one more for combat, the other more general purpose, a falchion, a handaxe and a longbow. For armour, i have a padded gambeson and chainmail plus reinforced leather pant and studded leather underarm guards.

Congratulations! Yes a mountain bike is not only one of THE BEST vehicles, but it's realistic and easily aquirable!
Yes, its in my basement.

Again, good idea. I would hope you have a good knowledge of vegetation. Also, planning for crops is a way to ensure food for the future. You would also have to remain very vigilant! NEVER let your guard down! I don't envy you trying to sleep!
I have some basic knowledge about edibles and toxic plants. My grandfather took me hiking quite often and showed me what they had eaten during the late year of the war and directly after, how they produced oil etc.
As for sleeping, i guess a hammock between two trees should suffice against zombies. But the concept is to get away from the hordes, after all the cities and towns are going to be the grazing grounds for zombies, not some backwater woods.

Regarding the stability issue of the oil rig, if memory serves there are 2 kinds of offshore rigs. The mobile type which can be moved off once a field is dry, and the fixed type which is close enough to shore to have a pipeline connecting it to the refinery (not sure). In the case of the latter, that would mean that the rig is bolted to the sea floor. Very stable. Preventing zombies from using the pipeline to access the facility is accomplished by hacking of the maintainence ladders. Unless the zombies can punch climbing holes into steel supports, no way up for them either.

Now, onto the power issue. Yes, oil could be drilled for power, but that means refining yes? Refining oil doesn't need a huge ass refinery if your doing it small scale, but you do have to watch out for the temperature. Aside from that, the power issue is solved.

Additionally, most rigs have heliports. Assuming I can fly one. It makes for a decent escape measure. Unless of course the last crew flew off with it, in which case I'm stuck with whatever transport I used to get there.

Now onto food. Yes, bringing hydroponic equipment to set up a small vegetable farm would be very, very smart. Also bring enough boards to create a makeshift ladder if I ever need to access the pipeline.

Regarding the issue of corrosion. Yes, that will be a problem over time, but I think it would be safe to say that I will be dead of one cause or another (old age hopefully) before the facility falls apart.

Ah yes, and I would bring a small number of likeminded people since a facility that size needs more than 1 person to run even the most basic of functions. Preferably experienced drillers.

Just as an aside, I know what weapons we'll carry in the US when the zombies come, but what will people in the UK do?

Use bad language?

To be honest if you wait until late into a class 3 to start defending you deserve to die. In that situation I would be screwed as I live in one of the most densly populated states in the United States. So the only way i could possably survive is to steal a boat in a nearby harbor. Taking with me extra fuel, some food, water, fishing gear, and of course a handgun or some form of low penetration firearm (don't want a hole in the boat ;) ). Would only need to have enough supplies for a year or 2 as the zombies would eventually decompose.

If dogs can get the T virus. I wonder if Rats can. That would screw us up really bad.

My first action would be to wait in my attic with my supplies ready to go. My supplies would include:
1: .308 bolt-action rifle w/ 150 rounds of ammo. :sniper:
2: .45 semi-automatic Colt pistol w/ 50 rounds of ammo
3: Steel crowbar (for use and as a hand-to-hand combat weapon)
4: 2x 1/2 gallon canteens
5: 12 MREs
6: Backpack
7: Pistol Belt
8: Bean, carrot, and corn seed. (I'll explain later)
The moment I hear of a outbreak I will call several of my buddies and gather my gear. (I already have it all at my house.) We would then arrange to meet up near the county jail. Then upon arriving we would get into the jail. Depending on weather or not the convicts have been released we could form a large shelter. Now we would go on a raid into the jail armory and then a small raid into the local area to obtain as many nessesities as possible like toilet paper, shovels, hoes, matchs, ammo, ect. We would then fortify one of the inner cell blocks as a fall back point. I would then have everyone pick a specilization like farming, basic first aid, ect... and have the study extesivly. Thus the start of a new civlization would rise from the ashes of a little jail house. Now had the convicts been realesed then my buddies and I will just make due the way we are. (Now obviously we will bring members of the oppisite sex alog with diffrent bloodline to allow for a larger gene pool.) Just an idea. :)

need to have enough supplies for a year or 2

Zombie decomposition rates vary widely, but they roughly last 2-3 years. If they exist in tundra regions, they can last for decades, I'm not sure about the ocean.

I'd say a decade would be a safe waiting time. That way, the people who weren't eaten straight away, but were devoured years later would be long dead.

Of course, by then the entire zombie problem would have extended to a Class IV outbreak. Most of humanity would be dead, the world would be ruined and it would take many years to ever get things working again.

http://www.jestmag.com/3-5/zombie.html

i think this covers most of your questions

i like the ending instructions :)

The moment I hear of a outbreak I will call several of my buddies and gather my gear. (I already have it all at my house.) We would then arrange to meet up near the county jail. Then upon arriving we would get into the jail. Depending on weather or not the convicts have been released we could form a large shelter. Now we would go on a raid into the jail armory and then a small raid into the local area to obtain as many nessesities as possible like toilet paper, shovels, hoes, matchs, ammo, ect. We would then fortify one of the inner cell blocks as a fall back point. I would then have everyone pick a specilization like farming, basic first aid, ect... and have the study extesivly. Thus the start of a new civlization would rise from the ashes of a little jail house. Now had the convicts been realesed then my buddies and I will just make due the way we are. (Now obviously we will bring members of the oppisite sex alog with diffrent bloodline to allow for a larger gene pool.)

You've read "The Zombie Survival Guide" as well, haven't you? :D

Just as an aside, I know what weapons we'll carry in the US when the zombies come, but what will people in the UK do?

Use bad language?

You never seen "Shaun of the Dead"? We'll use cricket bats and old LPs, plus anything else that might be useful...


Bow and arrow....don't laugh...caus at least you can make more ammo after you have run out, unlike shells which would be harder to make...

Hypothetical Scenario.

The Earth had entered what we shall deem a severe Class 3 Zombie Infection, bordering on Class 4.

Zombies have risen up in all major cities and also infect many rural areas.

Most military and police services have been infected or destroyed.

The zombies have primarily come from hospitals and are fanning out in all direction from these hotspots.

General panic has struck, roads out are jammed, public services such as water and electricty has been cut off.

What do you do?

First it depends on the observed capabilities of this strain of zombie. Are they slow moving shufflers like the primitive strains, or are they fast-moving pack hunters? If the latter, I probably kiss my ass goodbye along with the rest of human civilization.

But, if the former there might just be a chance.

First, I find my Zombie Apocalypse Buddies. We live within walking distance (it's a hike but doable) and have previously decided to meet beforehand. That way I avoid the usual bit where I have to make new friends with random survivors before any defensive action can be taken.

Similarly, we retreat to an isolated location in the mountains where there is a great cistern of water, storage for lots of supplies, and only a small, single, rural mountain road leading up to it. The location is elevated 20 or 30 feet and there is a "keep" which can only be reached by ladder, and easily defended with hand weapons.

I doubt very much there'd be many zombies in that area, but if there were they'd only have a chance of breaking through the defenses by dying in so many numbers they can walk over their fallen undead comrades to the top.

The main problem is sustainability. How many of my ZAB team mates have made it this far? If all of them we are probably undersupplied, but luckily have a good range of skills and can probably make daring raids for food at some point.

Then the real question comes: how long? Is it a true zombie apocalypse, leading to a world totally populated by zombies? In that case we live out there the rest of our lives, probably dying to some easily preventable disease or infection.

You never seen "Shaun of the Dead"? We'll use cricket bats and old LPs, plus anything else that might be useful...


Bow and arrow....don't laugh...caus at least you can make more ammo after you have run out, unlike shells which would be harder to make...

Oh, and a digital camera...

Oh, and a digital camera...

:confused:

An hour's drive from my house is a rather large lake, which has some rather nice boats on it. I suppose if the infestation got too bad on land, one could cast out and wait it out for a bit.

If we're talking Class III going on Class IV, then you'd sadly die.

OK, so zombies are just animated hunks of dead and decaying flesh, right?
If so, then they would be very, very dry.

Burn them. Flamethrowers, lighters, torches, whatever. Just burn them.

Flamethrowers are legal in the US. You would need a supply of gas and detergent, and a means of compressing air for the tanks.

Just as an aside, I know what weapons we'll carry in the US when the zombies come, but what will people in the UK do?

Most of them would probably die. There are gun and weapon shops in the U.K., but they are very rare. It's even worse in Australia, but we've got a blessedly small population and a huge, largely empty, landmass.

To be honest if you wait until late into a class 3 to start defending you deserve to die. In that situation I would be screwed as I live in one of the most densly populated states in the United States. So the only way i could possably survive is to steal a boat in a nearby harbor. Taking with me extra fuel, some food, water, fishing gear, and of course a handgun or some form of low penetration firearm (don't want a hole in the boat ). Would only need to have enough supplies for a year or 2 as the zombies would eventually decompose.

I hope you're accurate with a pistol. You'd have to wait until they got pretty close and there'd be a lot of them.

Generally, close combat with the walking undead is to be avoided. The danger of contact with the virus is simply too high. If one MUST engage in physical combat with a zombie, the following weapons are reccomended:

1) Machete
2) Crowbar
3) Trench Spike
4) Shaolin Spear
5) Katana (Sharp, NOT A REPLICA)

The best way to approach killing a zombie at close range is simply to think like a mass-murderer. Which weapon can kill the most, fastest, put the user in the least amount of danger, is easiest to carry and is the most durable.

Zombies are a little more than decaying flesh. Don't take the easy way out and underestimate the zombie!

The zombie is reanimated corpses, yes, but they are given a new kind of animation. This new animation includes some sort of preserving ability that enables the zombie infection to provide workarounds for ordinary processes - processes like movement and coordination, sight, hearing, and the body's ability to fight off foreign bacteria. If not for this, zombies would collapse into useless piles of jelly after a few days, a week at most.

This is obviously not the case as any true zombie lorehunters know, so you can't count on such cheap tricks to save you. And it's a lot harder to light someone on fire when they're trying to eat you, trust me on that one.

Simple, burn them

Better be careful, the only thing more dangerous than a zombie trying to eat you is a zombie that's on FIRE while it tries to eat you.

Oh yeah, and here's MY choice of weapons.

http://jazsplace.tripod.com/pictures/spear.gif
http://www.fisk-knives.com/Mace.jpg

Best to fight in two man teams. Have someone bait the zombie and spear it. The spear prevents the zombie from easily or quickly moving any closer to the wielder, and enabls the wielder to pin the zombie down. Meanwhile the second man comes in with the mace and crushes the zombie's head.

No ammo requirements.

You could even wield both weapons at once, hoplite style. In fact you may want to go all out and get a shield, though maybe not depending on weight and utility needs.

5) Katana (Sharp, NOT A REPLICA)

You could take any sword not just a Katana. They aren't any lighter than most 'western' swords anyways and certainly no better so. And any knife with a cross hilt attached to a piece of wood would do as a spear. Have to have the cross section though otherwise it would get stuck.

If you want a sword take one of these (http://www.atrimasa.com/WesternSwords.html).

And any knife with a cross hilt attached to a piece of wood would do as a spear. Have to have the cross section though otherwise it would get stuck.

True enough, but purposely built spears are better than makeshift weapons, last longer, less likely to break.

I was wondering about halberds and other polearms too. Still haven't made up my mind. Certainly anti-cavalry pikes are a bit ridiculous, but halberds... well, they're cool...

Medieval weaponry rox.

Chainsaw...

There's nothing as nervewracking as the sudden spluttering of the engine right when you need that to work...

True enough, but purposely built spears are better than makeshift weapons, last longer, less likely to break.

I was wondering about halberds and other polearms too. Still haven't made up my mind. Certainly anti-cavalry pikes are a bit ridiculous, but halberds... well, they're cool...

Medieval weaponry rox.

Well if we are going medieval, halberds are the way to go, can be used like an axe/spear/staff...mmmm multi purpose! :D sword as back up...like one of the ones in the link above :D :D :D

Well if we are going medieval, halberds are the way to go, can be used like an axe/spear/staff...mmmm multi purpose! :D sword as back up...like one of the ones in the link above :D :D :D

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pentagondefense/ukhalligantool.html

Good all-around tool. Great for bashing zombies, or prying open doors and containers during your scrounging.

Works on old car doors, etc.

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pentagondefense/ukhalligantool.html

Good all-around tool. Great for bashing zombies, or prying open doors and containers during your scrounging.

Works on old car doors, etc.

Nice, very useful

Well if we are going medieval, halberds are the way to go, can be used like an axe/spear/staff...mmmm multi purpose! :D sword as back up...like one of the ones in the link above :D :D :D
True, halderds would be very useful.
And I still think fire would be good.

Or better yet...a FLAMING halberd...

But seriously, any sort of flaming arrow should be good.

True, halderds would be very useful.
And I still think fire would be good.

Or better yet...a FLAMING halberd...

But seriously, any sort of flaming arrow should be good.

Well the Armouries in london used to keep 6000 halberds coated in oil ready for war between early 1400s and the late 1600s, when pikes replaced them, so flaming halberds here we come!!! :D

Just as an aside, I know what weapons we'll carry in the US when the zombies come, but what will people in the UK do?

Use bad language?

I've got a bokken (wooden sword) on my mantelpiece, which I would probably use if there was a zombie apocalypse. Brilliant for taking on individual zombies - it's light, easy to swing and has a decent reach. However, I wouldn't want to use it against a mob of zombies.

What do you do?

Jump on the bandwagon, I guess...

"Braaaaaaaiiiiins..."

I've got a bokken (wooden sword) on my mantelpiece, which I would probably use if there was a zombie apocalypse. Brilliant for taking on individual zombies - it's light, easy to swing and has a decent reach. However, I wouldn't want to use it against a mob of zombies.

I got two of them, one in either hand....if i was skilled enough...that said i have 2 Bokkens, 1 Shinai (just to prod them away with, won't do much damage), 2 very handy knives and a Arming (most call em knightly or broad) sword.

So close combat is my game, just need to wrap up and hope i can get away quickly!

You could take any sword not just a Katana. They aren't any lighter than most 'western' swords anyways and certainly no better so. And any knife with a cross hilt attached to a piece of wood would do as a spear. Have to have the cross section though otherwise it would get stuck.

Home-made weapons are ok if you want to use them for short periods of time, but eventually they break, and you sure don't want that happening when you're in the midst of a mighty zombie-slaying frenzy.

I think katanas are typically lighter than their western counterparts. But that's just based on my experience of working at a sword shop for three years.

To be honest. Finding real versions of both would take time and require a substantial amount of risk (barring if you already own one), it depends if you think having a sword is worth it.

"Braaaaaaaiiiiins..."

Sadly for you, the zombies I am talking about are not the one we see in "Shaun of the Dead", they have an acute sense of smell and can detect the faintest whisp of living human flesh.

Enjoy having your intestines ripped out of your abdomen and your trachea torn open!

I got two of them, one in either hand....if i was skilled enough...that said i have 2 Bokkens, 1 Shinai (just to prod them away with, won't do much damage), 2 very handy knives and a Arming (most call em knightly or broad) sword.

So close combat is my game, just need to wrap up and hope i can get away quickly!

So you do kendo or something? You would probably last longer then me, I'm completely untrained in that respect.

Home-made weapons are ok if you want to use them for short periods of time, but eventually they break, and you sure don't want that happening when you're in the midst of a mighty zombie-slaying frenzy.

I think katanas are typically lighter than their western counterparts. But that's just based on my experience of working at a sword shop for three years.

To be honest. Finding real versions of both would take time and require a substantial amount of risk (barring if you already own one), it depends if you think having a sword is worth it.

I've bought several swords (including having one made for me), and the main problem I have is that if you actually hit another metal object that is substantial (another sword, a steel railing, etc), the blade can be chipped, bent, or broken.

I haven't the confidence in any of these swords that I have in my Halligan tool. It's good enough for bashing someone's head in, and it won't bend, break, or chip.

Stock up on the food and the guns, lock myself up and hope that the zombies will go elsewhere so I can get my ass to an island. (Preferably with several other folks, namely some women)

I got two of them, one in either hand....if i was skilled enough...that said i have 2 Bokkens, 1 Shinai (just to prod them away with, won't do much damage), 2 very handy knives and a Arming (most call em knightly or broad) sword.

I have an Arming as well! But anyway, the weapons you are talking about would be ok for quick fights, assuming you could take a zombie down quickly (remember, it's like killing a human being, there's bones and muscles and lots of icky fluids), but consistent use against a large number of the ravenous unholy masses would not only wear you down to the point of exhaustion, your weapons would be worse for wear as well.

Hypothetical Scenario.

The Earth had entered what we shall deem a severe Class 3 Zombie Infection, bordering on Class 4.

Zombies have risen up in all major cities and also infect many rural areas.

Most military and police services have been infected or destroyed.

The zombies have primarily come from hospitals and are fanning out in all direction from these hotspots.

General panic has struck, roads out are jammed, public services such as water and electricty has been cut off.

What do you do?
Either
a) Get a Ham Radio powered from a solar panel (I have a panel somewhere) and organise some form of resistance movement against the zombie apocalypse. Get everyone to meet on the site of a massive arsenal (not the team) and proceed the blow the undead shit out of the following zombies. How we'd get there, I have no idea. Possibly by cars with the last bit of petrol.
Or
b) Cower in my house and keep a bullet for myself

Best to fight in two man teams. Have someone bait the zombie and spear it. The spear prevents the zombie from easily or quickly moving any closer to the wielder, and enabls the wielder to pin the zombie down. Meanwhile the second man comes in with the mace and crushes the zombie's head.

That's an ok option for a single zombie. But generally there are more than one. Especially in a Class III/Class IV outbreak.

Hey falaar, you seem to know a lot about this - would we need goggles and masks? In case of 'spray' from the zombies i.e. when my shotgun goes off in its chest, or can I not get infected that way?

a) Get a Ham Radio powered from a solar panel (I have a panel somewhere) and organise some form of resistance movement against the zombie apocalypse. Get everyone to meet on the site of a massive arsenal (not the team) and proceed the blow the undead shit out of the following zombies. How we'd get there, I have no idea. Possibly by cars with the last bit of petrol.

1) Not everybody has cars, many of the roads have either been destroyed or blocked by the huge traffic jam that arose from people trying to escape (which led to a hideous zombie banquet).
2) Fuel is hardly all-pervasive, pumps no longer work and the world is a big-ass place.
3) In the case of a Class II Outbreak, this would be a realistic option. But when faced with a Class III/Class IV outbreak, then we're talking millions of zombies.

b) Cower in my house and keep a bullet for myself
Aww, that's sad. Still, better than horrible death by gutting I guess.

I'd get a needle, thread, and some kevlar(which I do have laying around here somewhere) and create bodyarmor. I'd then take my massive collection of combat knives and walk to the nearest gun shop and loot any semi-auto pistols and ammo. I'd then hunt down each and every one of these zombies until I die. :mp5: :sniper:

Hey falaar, you seem to know a lot about this - would we need goggles and masks? In case of 'spray' from the zombies i.e. when my shotgun goes off in its chest, or can I not get infected that way?

Decent question. Unfortunately, it doesn't hold a very pleasant answer. Yes, if the Solaneum Virus in a zombie's fluids comes into contact with your fluids, then infection is assured. It would not pass through your skin, but if you were to get it in your eye (ala 28 Days Later), or a drop was to fall into an open wound, then you'd be doomed.

I'd then hunt down each and every one of these zombies until I die.

Estimated lifespan following this course of action: 42 hours maximum.

Potential percentage of zombie population destroyed: 0.0000000056%

Stock up on the food and the guns, lock myself up and hope that the zombies will go elsewhere so I can get my ass to an island. (Preferably with several other folks, namely some women)

Hoping never did anyone much good, particularly when zombies are involved.

Estimated lifespan following this course of action: 42 hours maximum.

Potential percentage of zombie population destroyed: 0.0000000056%

Not if you're a Kali specialist such as someone who is similar to myself, and has taken notes and training tips from ex Marines, Army Rangers, and Navy SEALS on Urban Combat, Guerilla Warfare Tactics, and CQB.

I'd use up all my bullets first then stab them and slice them up and add in a bit of neck cracking and spine twisting. I'd give myself a probable 62% survival chance for 6 days.

Ah, Falhaar, you have made a new friend today. My room-mate and I have spent many a hour thinking or what to do in case of zombie uprisings.
Currently I'm at college. I've determined three different places on campus that I believe could be suitable forts to hold off the zombies. The first thing to do, though is raid the campus ROTC department for guns and ammo. I've learned where they store all that stuff.
THen I'd probably hide on the upper floor of the campus gym. All the doors metal, and there's not a single window that an adult human can get through easily. There's a cafe inside that has enough food stocked to provide for myself and friends for a while. If worse comes to worse, and the zombies storm the building and break in, I can escape to the roof where there are multiple ways to get back down to the ground without going inside. From there, I'd move on to another of my planned bases with multiple escape routes.

Not if you're a Kali specialist such as someone who is similar to myself, and has taken notes and training tips from ex Marines, Army Rangers, and Navy SEALS on Urban Combat, Guerilla Warfare Tactics, and CQB.

You can be as pro as you like, in the case of a Class III/Class... oh hell let's just basically call it Class IV Outbreak. You go looking for zombies, they'll come from miles around, from all directions... endlessly. Not only would you risk running out of ammo within about an hour (and I'm being generous!), but exhaustion would take you down as sure as any zombie would.

1) find a zombie
2) get bitten
3) Congrats, you're on the winning team!

From there, I'd move on to another of my planned bases with multiple escape routes.

Care to elaborate? I'm just curious. So far you've planned everything out pretty well.

I also HIGHLY reccommend you get THIS BOOK (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400049628/qid=1110894495/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-6737335-6500706) , as it will help you and your room-mate enormously should the dead ever walk the earth.

2) get bitten
That part isn't going to be much fun. Also, getting bitten by a zombie is effectively suicide. Nothing of your personality, mind, emotions or memories would remain. You'd basically just become this... thing.

That part isn't going to be much fun. Also, getting bitten by a zombie is effectively suicide. Nothing of your personality, mind, emotions or memories would remain. You'd basically just become this... thing.
I didn't say it was the BEST team, but better then other alternatives. Plus I get to eat brains.

That part isn't going to be much fun. Also, getting bitten by a zombie is effectively suicide. Nothing of your personality, mind, emotions or memories would remain. You'd basically just become this... thing.
Yeah, and what's worse, you'd be forced to dance with Michael Jackson!

*has thriller flashbacks*

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this exact same situation a few days ago, and I came up with this plan:

1. Rally military forces
2. Establish strongholds in areas such as underground military bases, mountinous regions - ie Cheyenne Mountain, Parris Island etc
3. Gather airforce remnants and napalm each city that has definitely been infected.
4 Continuous bombing of infected areas until major cities are simply broken shells and nothing moves. If needed, deployment of nuclear weapons in urban areas to eliminate large concentrations of zombies
5. Maintain contact with villages, towns etc that have managed to become strongholds and link up with convoys and air-supplies, eventually withdrawn these people into military bases
6. Eventually, gather up military strength and begin systematic elmination of zombie threat by retaking every square mile of land through carpet-bombing and close-quarters fighting

THE BOTTOM POSTER ON THIS PAGE (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2736&p=6)

We should distribute these worldwide!

Care to elaborate? I'm just curious. So far you've planned everything out pretty well.

I also HIGHLY reccommend you get THIS BOOK (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400049628/qid=1110894495/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3/104-6737335-6500706) , as it will help you and your room-mate enormously should the dead ever walk the earth.
Already there, man. My room-mate got his gf that book for Christmas, and I immediately confiscated it and read it myself.

More elaboration, all right.
The Richter Center is the school gym. It's where all the basketball games are. There are 2 floors, and a basement. Every single door is made of metal, and the windows are braced with metal wire on top of being too small or high for a human to easily get in. There's also a single stairwell that leads to the roof. The first floor is not that secure. There's gotta be 2 dozen doors. Upstairs, though, is another story. There are only 4 stairwells, and each can be braced by stretching a 6' beam or something from the door to the opposite wall.
The first thing to do would be to get the Army ROTC M-16s and pistols from their supply closet. Then, make a rush for the 2nd floor of the Richter. This will be the most dangerous part. This is a small campus, though, so you can run from the armory to the Richter at a sprint without stopping. Once I'm at the second floor, and doors are braced, I sweep through every room and hall, and clear out any zombies.
Then there will have to be raids similar to the ones in the original Dawn of the Dead when they first arrive in the mall. That cafe is downstairs. Another dangerous part, but I'm quick and quiet, and it's a short path.
Next, if conditions are right...enough ammo, enough food, I have my friends with me... I clear out the bottom floor.
If ever there are too many, I evac to the 2nd floor. If they follow me up, and actually break those doors down, I retreat up the single narrow stairwell to the roof.
If I need to retreat further, there are three different ways to get down from the roof to the ground safely.
Gotta go to lunch now. If I haven't bored you too much, I'll share my plans for my secondary bases.
Cheers, Falhaar.

You can be as pro as you like, in the case of a Class III/Class... oh hell let's just basically call it Class IV Outbreak. You go looking for zombies, they'll come from miles around, from all directions... endlessly. Not only would you risk running out of ammo within about an hour (and I'm being generous!), but exhaustion would take you down as sure as any zombie would.

Now let's say for the sake of entertainment, I took some speed before and during the battle and become even more bloodythirsty and bezerked without reguard for my own personal safety, with one goal in mind. To kill anything that moves in sight. How would that help me?

Oddly enough, I was thinking about this exact same situation a few days ago, and I came up with this plan:
Personally, I'd be looking for ways to SURVIVE before running out to be Jesus.

All very noble ideas, but you'd be a little busy tring to stay alive to even think about something like that for some time.

Now let's say for the sake of entertainment, I took some speed before and during the battle and become even more bloodythirsty and bezerked without reguard for my own personal safety, with one goal in mind. To kill anything that moves in sight. How would that help me?
Short answer? It wouldn't.

Short answer? It wouldn't.

Not even if I were ripping off zombie heads one after the other with my bare hands?

Ah, i see. You meant your own plans, rather than a general survival plan then?

Well, in that case, I'm basically done for. I have no guns which seem to be so handy for when zombies attack, and I'm not that good with a manual weapon, ie spade, hammer etc. I'd probabaly try and get to my school and get in the janitors basement, lock the door, but that has no food in it, so thats not really good.

In that case, get in the car and head away from the zombies towards somewhere remote, like Wales. Having seen all of Romero's films, I know to avoid all shoping malls, deserted airfields, cabins that look defensible and basically head towards the nearest military place.

Not even if I were ripping off zombie heads one after the other with my bare hands?
I don't doubt your enthusiam, but no. Besides, using your bare hands when dealing with zombies is extremely dangerous.

Ah, i see. You meant your own plans, rather than a general survival plan then?
Yes. I posted a link earlier to a certain book. Look it up, read it. Then YOU KNOW you are prepared should the zombie apocalypse.

I don't doubt your enthusiam, but no. Besides, using your bare hands when dealing with zombies is extremely dangerous.

I'd be protected by a kevlar/steel wire mesh suit, and a scarf layered with carbon filter material wrapped around my head with goggles underneath. No blood can get into my bodily fluids, and I can't be scratched or bitten.

Zombies are slow, stupid and their only real method of attack is to bite you, right (going by Shaun of the Dead). so i drive down to Cardiff castle, nab myself (and my mates) a suit of armour (aha no biting, see) and go looting! HMV is my first stop, then Virgin Megastores, then anywhere else I fancy :)

dont forget something you can hit (or shoot) police-that-have-turned-into-zombies with.

Alrighty i live in an area near the ocean and also surrounded with lots of forest areas, I'm not certain about this class 3 business so I'll assume it's right after all the panic and fleeing has set in ... well... I would probably try to see about contacting anyone i know first hand and meeting up in an area that is close by with some sort of signal to let the others know that they are alright upon arrival once there we would head to a government building like a post office or a school to get our plans straight.

i say a government building because they tend to have fairly good security and metal doors and shatter resistant windows. chances are that upon deciding to meet up we all would have grabbed your basic last resort things around the house weapons such as those metal pole lamps, base ball bats, hunting rifles, and possibly a chainsaw. however based on it being a virus based zombie attack chainsaw is a bad idea, sending zombie chunks and misty dust into the air... no good. for arguments sake we met up in a school, so we'd break into the gym equipment for anything that could be helpful for example football padding and helmets as well you could take the barbells and use the rod as a pole arm perhaps sharpening it in the shop room. you'd also have access to hammers and screw drivers and anything else that you can club or stab into a head with... true close combat is undesirable but it beats fisticuffs. also while in the shop room you could mace up your wooden weapons with long nails. and the A.V. department may have radios which you could use to keep in contact with each other. vending machines make for quick and light sugary energy boosts and though not the best food it is highly transportable. thanks to cable in the classroom if the power is still on you may be able to find out a meeting place for evacuation.

now that you have yourself stocked up it is time to go to the chem lab and try preparing some fire bombs to clear out a pathway to your getaway car to by burning zombies at your closest exit possibly from an open window, alternatively open a door to the gymnasium and try luring them there for a big arse wooden gym floor fire.

upon exit drive the car as far as you can avoiding the main roads as much as possible, hopefully making it to the highway, which lets face it would be mostly empty most of the way until you come across your obligatory traffic jam, then take what you can carry and go it by foot if you come across a house with a car in the drive way then everyone scouts the area and breaks in looking for keys and supplies, using the buddy system.

if you come across a walmart or a canadian tire then grand they are excellent places to get valuable tools/weapons such as crowbars and guns, ammo, or if you are traditional machete type knives and bows+arrows, and again sporting equipment as makeshift armour which is light. again buddy system the whole time try checking security cameras on the backup generator, or if you are in canadian tire on one of their generators in store there is bound to be at least one wind up generator. also a good place to grab backpacks to fill with supplies for extended travel by foot, everyone can also get a medical kit here as well, and finally some basic fishing gear just in case.also camping gear is allways good to have.

for the 2-3year wait period mentioned for zombies to die of old age, thats a tad extreme the weather would probably beat them up pretty bad and even the dead would require some sore of energy source, anyone getting eaten will be so by the end of the first year.

I'd be protected by a kevlar/steel wire mesh suit, and a scarf layered with carbon filter material wrapped around my head with goggles underneath. No blood can get into my bodily fluids, and I can't be scratched or bitten.
Yeah, but you'd be crushed by the gigantic zombie pile-on as they all try to eat you :p

One thing i've never understood...

Zombies - slow
Humans - fast.

Why not just stay in an open space and just walk away from them? They walk half as fast as humans walk. If they get too close, jog.

Yeah, but you'd be crushed by the gigantic zombie pile-on as they all try to eat you :p

Not if I'm ripping their heads off while high on speed, shooting them with guns, slicing and stabbing them up with combat knives, and breaking their spines and necks with my bare hands.

Not if I'm ripping their heads off while high on speed, shooting them with guns, slicing and stabbing them up with combat knives, and breaking their spines and necks with my bare hands.

Wow. Who are you, Rambo? :D

Why not just stay in an open space and just walk away from them? They walk half as fast as humans walk. If they get too close, jog.
Here are a few reasons:

Numbers - There are millions of zombies
Omnipresence - They are everywhere
Resilience - They never tire

Not if I'm ripping their heads off while high on speed, shooting them with guns, slicing and stabbing them up with combat knives, and breaking their spines and necks with my bare hands.
lets assume you have 5 arms so you can grab a shoulder and pull off the head while shooting with one hand and slicing with another, and using your 5ith to break spines/necks... is they are coming at you all at once you can kill maybe 4 at a time with a refractory period of a second and a half to turn and grab another zombie.... if 20 attack you at once then you probably will get taken out pretty quick

Wow. Who are you, Rambo? :D

lol, think of Blade, Rambo, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tony Jaa, Jason Bourne from "The Bourne Identity" and "The Bourne Supremecy", Worf from ST:TNG, Benecio Del Toro's character from "The Hunted", and Christian Bale from "Equalibrium" all put together. Except add US Marines, Navy SEALS, and Army Rangers training and combat experience on top of all that. You have the perfect zombie killing machine! :mp5: :sniper:

I' have to head off to the Uni and get some of the research guys there working on how these zombies survive. Might take them weeks, but if they can come up with a chemical weapon of some sort then the world is saved.

that and the psychotic rampage mentioned by someone above. Hell, if we all did it, maybe we'd win?

We need to breed siafu ants people. Zombies can't fight with all their ligaments eaten away by bugs that they won't brush off because they're immune to pain.

Now we just need to figure out how to stop the zombie siafu ants.

We need to breed siafu ants people. Zombies can't fight with all their ligaments eaten away by bugs that they won't brush off because they're immune to pain.

Now we just need to figure out how to stop the zombie siafu ants.
Bug spray. By the tonne

Ant-eaters of course- then gorillas to kill the ant-eaters...

Now we just need to figure out how to stop the zombie siafu ants.
hmm... perhaps we could use some sort of accelerated growing maggots they only eat dead things any way... and zombie maggots would... be easy enough to clean up with fire and or a shoe

We need to breed siafu ants people. Zombies can't fight with all their ligaments eaten away by bugs that they won't brush off because they're immune to pain.

Now we just need to figure out how to stop the zombie siafu ants.

I don't think the Zombie virus can spread through bugs,Because they don't carry red blood cells. Am I correct? rodents yes.. Hence I'm scared shitless of zombie rats.

That's an ok option for a single zombie. But generally there are more than one. Especially in a Class III/Class IV outbreak.

The first real rule of zombie fighting: never take on more than you can handle!

I'd be fighting from the top of a ladder which could have a maximum of one zombie per time anyway, as described in my first post.

Or, if in the open (and moving, of course) hopefully several teams armed with spears. Spears can also go through the head directly, but the two-man combo works best if safety is a concern and you don't have mobs of zombies or spearmen.

can zombies duck to go under low beams?

Question:
Would a sound based weapon or distraction work?
For example there is a large group of zombies in your path and they have not noticed you. Instead of mowing them down you chuck a portable radio set with a 30 second delay. After it activates all the zombies go after the radio leaving your pathway empty. Easy enough to make and find more of these. Even better could be used with a homemade bomb to kill large groups.

can zombies duck to go under low beams?
yeah most likely if they can walk they can probably bend and crawl... why planning on hiding under a table till things blew over?

yeah most likely if they can walk they can probably bend and crawl... why planning on hiding under a table till things blew over?

well, apparently they can't climb, so I was wondering what limitatiosn there were...

I was thinking more like ropes over all the roads to confuse them

(Yes, I know this is a bump - but I'm interested - sue me. :p)

I am intrigued by this topic (how much more amusing than the polarized man vs. woman (womyn?), right vs. left, etc vs. et al posts!)

Has anyone discussed the possibilities of a stockpiled underground resource?
I'm thinking underground caverns - source of water, plus - if it's been mapped (no small leap of logic, considering that just about EVERYTHING is mapped now-days) - you can isolate and either fortify or use the exits.

I'm taking as done the whole "find a core group of buds / take the backroads" approach - that's been rehashed to the point of "given" by now.


Taking this hypothetically, a cave in a secluded area of the world (a countryside somewhere, days away from any decent sized city) would be removed enough from the infestation proper to keep them from "smelling" (or otherwise being attracted to) your hiding place.

A properly selected underground cave would provide a way of blockading all but one entrace, and the ability to heavily fortify that would make it immensely secure. (I'm thinking the "entrance" would require wading AGAINST a heavy currented stream - humans could use, say, iron hand-grips mounted into the rock, while a mindless zombie would just be swept away)

I'm thinking that, above ground, pallisades of some sort could be constructed to "fence in" a garden area - a way to grow foods, and yet withstand any "attack" long enough for the gardeners (who would only be out for the minimum required time) to retreat back into the hold, should need be.

The need for "water" is already considered - the stream through the cavern.

If this were within a forest, a properly equiped team might be able to hunt to provide meat, as a variance to the garden - taking this a step further, if the zombies in question aren't attracted to any "flesh" except humans, then it would be feasable to have a holding pen next to the farm-grounds to hold stock animals.

The main problem I can see with the location would be dampness - still, by virtue of people being able to be out and about in the daylight (albeit for short times, and at lengths between such paroles) they wouldn't become "sun-starved". In addition, if a secondary area of the cave were likewise inspected/secured, but far enough away from the water source to be dry, that would be preferable.

Fires should be alright, as most caves (again, hypothetically, this would be the case) have some convoluted air-space to the outer world - not a huge opening (that would have been blocked off), but some crack issuing out, somewhere up/down the water path.

Finally, I'm talking about a true granite cave - not the soft-stone or mud variants, that would probably just bury us all alive.

-snip-


Your cave idea just gave me a thought... there's a house near I live with a nuclear bunker underneath it. Some civil servant had it built during the Cold War, apparently. Assuming the owner has been mauled by zombies and left the door open, that would make a perfect refuge. Except it isn't very roomy (not enough space to store years of supplies, anyway) and there's no escape route.



By the way, the stream enters the cave somewhere, right? Wouldn't zombies be able to enter it that way (it's unlikely, but possible)?

Just out of interest, when do zombies stop functioning? I mean, they'd have to stop moving once bacteria ate through their tendons, and they couldn't exactly bite you if their jaw fell off...

EDIT: Also, where do they get their energy from? I mean ATP as opposed to food. You have to make ATP (in sufficient quantities to survive) using aerobic respiration. If a zombie stops breathing, it can create no ATP, so no bodily functions could realistically occur...

Just out of interest, when do zombies stop functioning? I mean, they'd have to stop moving once bacteria ate through their tendons, and they couldn't exactly bite you if their jaw fell off...

EDIT: Also, where do they get their energy from? I mean ATP as opposed to food. You have to make ATP (in sufficient quantities to survive) using aerobic respiration. If a zombie stops breathing, it can create no ATP, so no bodily functions could realistically occur...

I guess if you render them physically unable to move any of their limbs, they 'stop functioning' (i.e. cut through muscles, tendons, etc). However, to actually kill one you have to destroy the brain or remove the head.

As for where they get energy from...I'd say pixiedust, for want of a better explanation.

As for where they get energy from...I'd say pixiedust, for want of a better explanation.
You...you mean....

...Tink makes zombies? Oh, wait, that's fairy dust. My mistake.

By the way, the stream enters the cave somewhere, right? Wouldn't zombies be able to enter it that way (it's unlikely, but possible)?

I'm assuming that this is an underground source, or that the entrance of the stream is physically very small - both common enough in underground formations.

I'm assuming that this is an underground source, or that the entrance of the stream is physically very small - both common enough in underground formations.

Oh yeah. Besides, I guess if you did get a few zombies floating downstream, you could always install a grille over the stream. It's definitely a good plan. You won't attract hordes of zombies and you'll be able to start a new community relatively quickly.

You...you mean....

...Tink makes zombies? Oh, wait, that's fairy dust. My mistake.

I wouldn't rule it out, Longton, I wouldn't rule it out...

...and you'll be able to start a new community relatively quickly.


And quietly. ;)

That's the part I like best about it - it's VERY removed, without being "secluded" - a fine line to walk.

I agree with your "grille" option - In my "best case cave scenario", I'm going to say the stream is DEEP (referencing the "fast moving stream" in my original post), and that, seeing as how it's a granite cave, the stream "walls" would be pretty much vertical and slick - un-climbable.

Even if they (zombies) DID manage to float/river-ground-walk in, they'd just overshoot the colony, and continue on floating to wherever the river ends.

It comes to my mind that if the survivors had to spend a decade underground, to wait out the zombie infestation, then a cave would also be ideal for its expandability. As the group grew (from survivors, or whathave you), scouting expeditions could take place - with all the required precautions against a zombie encounter, of course.

That would open up new areas for living, and perhaps new exits to the "upgrounds" area - a way to start a second "farm" area, for example, to increase food production.

Remind me to find you in case of a zombie apocolypse.

Remind me to find you in case of a zombie apocolypse.

Hmm...I was thinking the same thing, until I saw that he lives in Kansas. I'm sure there are some suitable caves on Dartmoor or something...in fact, I remember talking to Longton about caving in Somerset a while ago...

I'd actually have a route for this.

1st: Jump in my little Jeep scrambler, and go up my rural road, go on a couple others, and steal from the local gun club OR the gun store down the road from it.
2nd: Pick up my buds, and some hot chicks.
3rd:Go down the highway in this tiny jeep, in a tiny state, down a huge highway.
4th: Go to my marina, get in the boat, and drive to this island accessible only by ferry.
5th: Live the rest of my life on an island with no zombies, its own water supply, massive mansions, a golf course, and electricity.

Remind me to find you in case of a zombie apocolypse.

I can't help it if I like caves. :p

I'll be easy to spot - Kansas has a DISTURBING lack of underground caves, so I'll be the only one speeding TOWARDS Arkansas (seriously - everyone else LEAVES, wether it's a zombie attack or otherwise. ;)) on the backroads. :p

Wouldn't zombies be stuck on one continent/island/whatever? If they can't think, how are they going to get over water?

Wouldn't zombies be stuck on one continent/island/whatever? If they can't think, how are they going to get over water?
Maybe they'll go through Canada in the winter. Who knows.

Wouldn't zombies be stuck on one continent/island/whatever? If they can't think, how are they going to get over water?

All it would take is for an airplane (on auto-pilot), or a ship, or anything to have ONE infection aboard. Then, when it reaches its destination, curious onlookers gather - only to be chomped. It only takes one, then you're toast.

Wouldn't zombies be stuck on one continent/island/whatever? If they can't think, how are they going to get over water?

the information earlier suggested they would walk under water (not being able to drown, apparently)

the information earlier suggested they would walk under water (not being able to drown, apparently)
Well excuse me for reading too little. Anyways, caves are okay. Bit dark though.

the information earlier suggested they would walk under water (not being able to drown, apparently)

I don't think zombies could walk between continents, even if they are unable to drown. The pressure gets pretty high in deep water.

Apparently they could float on currents though. Personally, I reckon they would just hang about and go for the most convenient source of food (i.e. people on the same landmass as them).

Well excuse me for reading too little. Anyways, caves are okay. Bit dark though.

Of course. Stock in combustables (for heating AND lighting) would be a requirement. One more reason to look for a cave in a forest - supplies close at hand.

Well...if you can reach a naval ship yard(or any shipyard)you can find a ship.Clean it of zombies and ta da!Better yet a sub would due much better especially a nuclear sub,it has its own power source and whenever supplies are needed you can surface and send a party(well armed) to land to retrive supplies.

Maybe the thread creator is assuming that the outbreak was caused as a weapon. Being shot at all the world centers, it wouldn't be long for a full fledged outbreak. And on Spartin's comment, I'd probally take the naval base after I got set up on the island. After all, the island I'm talking about in particular is only about a mile away from one of the worlds largest.......

One problem with a cave, food? Plants normally need sunlight to grow...

Land mines! If you placed them around places zombies would be most likely to get in, you would be slightly safer.

Explosives are fun... :D

Land mines! If you placed them around places zombies would be most likely to get in, you would be slightly safer.

Explosives are fun... :D

One problem with a cave, food? Plants normally need sunlight to grow...

Nah, he mentioned that in his first post. There would be an area for growing food outside, with a palisade around it.

But would you really have the time to find/retrive/and plant the mines before the zombies came.and if you were to leave would you rember where they were?

Remember where they are? Bah.

You just mark it on a map. Simple, as you don't really have to worry about it being discreet. As for placing them, its not like you would put them down in the city. You would probally place them surrounding a fort in the forest or something.

You just mark it on a map. Simple, as you don't really have to worry about it being discreet. As for placing them, its not like you would put them down in the city. You would probally place them surrounding a fort in the forest or something.
Stick them on poles with bits of meat on the end. Zombies see meat, converge, grope, depress the mine trigger....

...zombie shower :D

hmmm...i think we need to start a good 'ol zombie thread now.Kinda like the old resident evil ones

Perfect example of a Zombie mine. I still have the best idea though. Nothing beets a stranded island with mansions on it. :)

Perfect example of a Zombie mine. I still have the best idea though. Nothing beets a stranded island with mansions on it. :)
Yeah...until you discover the mansions were created by some multinational conglomerate who did bio-research in the laboratory basements of the mansions, and are actually the site of the original outbreak...

Perfect example of a Zombie mine. I still have the best idea though. Nothing beets a stranded island with mansions on it. :)

Caves!

Nah, none of the mansions are that big. That kind of stuff would be going on about five miles away, in an animal research lab. Duh.
Its still perfect. :)

Caves!
Yeah, cause living in a cold, dark, damp hole filled with limestone is way more fun then a huge house on the beach with a golf course in the backyard.

Caves!
Orbital space station with thermonuclear capability and giant frickin' laser beams!

Orbital space station with thermonuclear capability and giant frickin' laser beams!

Da*n that Powers.. he wins, every time.
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Ooh! Ooh! Preceeding zombie outbreak:

1. Get fscking rich.

2. Get a self-sustaining space station built and launched.

3. Escape to space station.

As far as I know you'll be pretty safe from zombies in outerspace. To be even safer build a space ship (self sustaining) and go live on Mars. I mean, sure you might die from plenty of other things, and you might get bored, lonely (bring people?) and go crazy. But hey! No zombies.

EDIT: Aaw. Somebody beat me to it by a few minutes. :(

You do win every time. Heres a crown for making t3h ub3r z0mb13 5urv1v41 p14n.
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Hypothetical Scenario.

The Earth had entered what we shall deem a severe Class 3 Zombie Infection, bordering on Class 4.

Zombies have risen up in all major cities and also infect many rural areas.

Most military and police services have been infected or destroyed.

The zombies have primarily come from hospitals and are fanning out in all direction from these hotspots.

General panic has struck, roads out are jammed, public services such as water and electricty has been cut off.

What do you do?
Sit back and enjoy a job well done.

Unlikely Option #2: Become a vampire first.

Unlikely option #3: Get in Gundam suit, whoop some rotting ass

Oh crud! How could I forget my true calling? I discussed it with my friend even!

Unlikely Option #4: Counteract Zombie Apocalypse with Kiwi Apocalypse.

Genetically engineer a race of giant, carnivorous kiwi birds, loyal to self. Train and breed them to extreme numbers. Release upon the globe.

Possible consequences:
a. I win at life!
b. Zombki Apocalypse. Fear.

http://kevan.org/proce55ing/zombies/

Go there.It rules.Zombie infection sim.

http://zombies.insertdisc.com/mattcordes/

Same thing, but people fight back!

http://www.hardcorepawn.com/zombie3/

Same thing, but you nuke the city :D

http://members.csinet.net/bernice/zomb3.html

The incredible zombie machine :D

Oh crud! How could I forget my true calling? I discussed it with my friend even!

Unlikely Option #4: Counteract Zombie Apocalypse with Kiwi Apocalypse.

Genetically engineer a race of giant, carnivorous kiwi birds, loyal to self. Train and breed them to extreme numbers. Release upon the globe.

Possible consequences:
a. I win at life!
b. Zombki Apocalypse. Fear.
Unlikely option #5: Breed giant Keas which are super-intelligent and immune to solanum - Keas are a pain in the arse for pulling stuff apart anyway, so zombies should be no match for giant keas

I won the Nuke-dropping zombie sim! All the people died except for one, and the zombies decomposed!
1 15 1337

I won the Nuke-dropping zombie sim! All the people died except for one, and the zombies decomposed!
1 15 1337

:D

I won with a casualty # of only 804

Am I the only one who is a little depressed by this? :(
I'm pretty certain he DOESN'T have a minigun lying around, most people wouldn't.



How much would ammo you need for this weapon?

How soon would you run out of ammunition?

I can see the minigun being used, quite concievably, for short term defence, but it wouldn't really be practical to lug it around, even by car. Using a car would not only be noisy, the roads would be jammed, and there are many places you could not reach by other means of transportation. The sound of a loud weapon would also attract zombies from miles around.

I'm a zombie expert, not a weapons expert ;)

well just to reply to this because i might shed some light on this for you 308 ammo is really cheap and easy to aquire in large quantitys plus factor in the fact that each bullet is going to hit 5-7 zombies odds are not as many rounds as you would think. take about 45 minutes for me to get my hands on 35-40,000 rounds of ammo it's about 100 bucks for a case of 1000 i think havn't checked in a while. i could go into the ballistics of it but that takes to long.
as for the noise go with sub-sonic ammo lots easier. plus foctor in mobilty and a few more people and some reloading gear and your set as long as you have powder primers and bullets which are all low bulk low wieght items and also are easy to obtain
:gundge:

Out of curiousity, what do you need for a class III permit?

no felony convictions and pass the test and approtate checks as i dont have one i not sure i could look it up if you like but that would take time.

US Citizen.
No felonies.
No misdemeanor convictions for domestic abuse.
Signature of local law enforcement official.
200 dollar tax for each Class III item.
Appropriate forms.
90 days or more for FBI background investigation

It can take as long as six months. It's also recommended that you have a safe, and an alarm system, although those are not required.

Some states will not let you buy Class III.

Additionally, you give up your right to have your property protected from search. They no longer need a warrant to show up to see if you still have it. They can roust you at 3 AM and demand to see it.

Want to know something? Since 1934, no NFA registered firearm has ever been used in the commission of a violent felony.

Any illegal use a machinegun you see in the news was not a NFA (Class III) firearm - it must have been smuggled into the country.

Zombie Apocalypse in Alaska?

1. get the heck out of suburbs, make sure knives, swords, guns are with more or those who are with me.
a. Also make sure I got the rations I have in my car or in my room..
2. Head for the hills. As for as I know, zombies are stupid. They have no sense of smell, and can only see ... heat?
3. Lose the zombies in the Chugiak hills (mountains actually)
4. Continue running.

US Citizen.
Want to know something? Since 1934, no NFA registered firearm has ever been used in the commission of a violent felony.

Any illegal use a machinegun you see in the news was not a NFA (Class III) firearm - it must have been smuggled into the country.

so true so true yet so UNREPORTED by the media

I feel that if you're making a list, you have to be restricted to what you can legally and easily obtain. So, no Class III for Americans, and no guns for you UK people (no explosives for anyone).

No jet planes, submarines, etc.

I feel that if you're making a list, you have to be restricted to what you can legally and easily obtain. So, no Class III for Americans, and no guns for you UK people (no explosives for anyone).

No jet planes, submarines, etc.
Why not? Its not like the Groton Sub base is the most secure place in the world. The military would be called away anyways, no ones going to stop you.

But yes to oil rigs? Providing you know where they are and are reasonably close that is.

Why not? Its not like the Groton Sub base is the most secure place in the world. The military would be called away anyways, no ones going to stop you.

OK. If you live in Groton, or Barrow in Furness, you can have a sub.

Same goes for you in the Gulf of Mexico or the North Sea for oil rigs - provided you can get to it in a reasonable fashion.

OK. If you live in Groton, or Barrow in Furness, you can have a sub.

Same goes for you in the Gulf of Mexico or the North Sea for oil rigs - provided you can get to it in a reasonable fashion.
I don't live in Groton, but I can get there easily enough. Not part of my plan anyways, except in long term.

Well, the airport is only about an hours ride away. Or I could always steal the local tv stations heli.

Getting by boat is also possible. We have a fair number of jettys along here and I know where the local coast guard parks their boats.

Jeepers, this thread has done well in my absence!

Quick reminder to those who planned to use "flesh-eating bugs" or the the like against the zombie menace. Keep in mind that undead flesh is highly toxic as a result of the virus Solaneum. Animals would either instincively avoid eating the flesh of the unholy horrors, or would die within about three hours of injesting zombie meat.

Also, keep in mind that only chemical weapons which can damage the brain, or harm the senses will do any good against zombies. They have no need of a respiratory, circulatory or digestive system.

For the person who asked how the zombie brain generates ATP given it's lack of oxygen. I mentioned that the presence of the Solaneum Virus causes massive changes in the human brain. Effectively transforming it into a different organ which is not dependent on oxygen.

I'm not sure how it generates ATP, but then there are many mysteries of biology we are as yet unable to explain.

Underground caves are all well and good, but unless you live near them, and have already prepared a stronghold, then you're going to be risking a lot while zombies roam the lands.

And to the person who asked where the zombies outbreaks have came from... Let's just say that some shadowy, well-funded terrorist organisation has succesfully deployed biological bombs in and around all major cities. They've been planning this for nearly a hundred years. Today is the day when their hideous goal comes to fruition. :D

Hey look at my previous post, I wanna be prepared when they come to Alaska. Also, the zombies..how smart are they? DO they have a pack mentality? How do they communicate? What/how do they see?

Well, chances are that I'd be on the USS Kitty Hawk, so I'd be safe until we ran out of provisions or fuel (it's a conventional carrier). I think that it would be safe to assume that Australia, Japan, the Phillippines and all those other Pacific ports would be safe for a while, so I guess we'd just live off of supplies from them.

I don't see how the zombies could spread to any of those places. Am I mistaken?

Well, according to Falhaar, it would be widespread. A global case. So that means most ports as well. Hmmm, I think i'll be stuck in the rig for quite a while. You'd be welcome to show up for fuel Ryanania. I'll trade it for guns and ammo if you've got any. :p

Just make sure you keep the sides of the hull clean. Don't want zombies clinging onto it and spreading the infestation.

Coincidently, is it possible to acquire a sample of the virus from zombie corpses? It would aid the research in creating a counter virus.

Well, according to Falhaar, it would be widespread. A global case. So that means most ports as well. Hmmm, I think i'll be stuck in the rig for quite a while. You'd be welcome to show up for fuel Ryanania. I'll trade it for guns and ammo if you've got any. :pI think refining the fuel would present a problem. But yes, ships still have armories.

My question is, how would the Zombies get to, say, the Phillippines for instance?

Well, your right about refining being a problem. Doing it small scale for the on board generators would eat up a lot of pipes and gas for the heating process. Doing it large scale would mean taking over the refineries located on shore. I hope you have a marine detachment. Maybe you can acquire enough parts to start up a smaller refinery on board?

As for getting across the oceans, Falfaar mentioned that they can float so that means they can get anywhere the current pushes them.

You can nuke the zombies with my subs. Then you can take over the refineries, but you'll have to pay me a 30% "protection" fee. I mean, I would essentially control the worlds seas.

Well, your right about refining being a problem. Doing it small scale for the on board generators would eat up a lot of pipes and gas for the heating process. Doing it large scale would mean taking over the refineries located on shore. I hope you have a marine detachment. Maybe you can acquire enough parts to start up a smaller refinery on board?

As for getting across the oceans, Falfaar mentioned that they can float so that means they can get anywhere the current pushes them.How many Marines we would have with us would vary, depending on if we had an amphib with us with an MEU embarked. You can always send armed detachments of sailors ashore to augment the Marines you do have.

We can't stay at sea forever, though, because ships do need to put into drydock every so often. Especially the Kitty Hawk... So eventually we'd need to find a safe haven somewhere. Luckily, we'd have a huge bargaining chip, since we could always hire ourselves out to whatever nation might still be running. We could go raid other shores for things that said nation would need, in exchange for safe harbor.

Subs implies you have more than one, and missle boats at that. Unless they were in dock, how did you get your hands on one? Much less the arming codes? Those are transmitted on presidential authority alone no?

Given that my place of residence is rather near Brunei, I could get to one of the numerous offshore rigs there. Either by boat or by helicopter. (Although I would probably land it in a building than where I want it to go.)

Hmmm, Ryanania. How many armed soldiers would it take to secure an oil refinery? Those things are quite large. Transporting the crude there would be a problem though. I doubt airlifting the crude would be effective or efficient. But would it be enough?

You can nuke the zombies with my subs. Then you can take over the refineries, but you'll have to pay me a 30% "protection" fee. I mean, I would essentially control the worlds seas.Your subs... So you're an admiral? Because that's the only way you'd be able to get control of a flotilla of subs. Even if you were to steal a sub, you'd need to have a rather large crew with the technical skills to run it, which seems rather unlikely unless you're part of a sub crew.

Subs implies you have more than one, and missle boats at that. Unless they were in dock, how did you get your hands on one? Much less the arming codes? Those are transmitted on presidential authority alone no?

Given that my place of residence is rather near Brunei, I could get to one of the numerous offshore rigs there. Either by boat or by helicopter. (Although I would probably land it in a building than where I want it to go.)

Hmmm, Ryanania. How many armed soldiers would it take to secure an oil refinery? Those things are quite large. Transporting the crude there would be a problem though. I doubt airlifting the crude would be effective or efficient. But would it be enough?Unless it was a refinery with a direct pipeline to an oil rig, we couldn't transport the crude. At least not without outside help.

I'll make sure I bring a hacker with me. Just kidding. Those codes are made out of 3453454353 didget prime numbers or something like that. Scary.

Of course it has more than one. I'm sure that they wouldn't take the subs, I mean they repair them there all the time, and its not like the non-existant goverment is going to need a navy against a bunch of zombies. I forgot about those codes though, you would need them. Maybe just conventional then?

Your subs... So you're an admiral? Because that's the only way you'd be able to get control of a flotilla of subs. Even if you were to steal a sub, you'd need to have a rather large crew with the technical skills to run it, which seems rather unlikely unless you're part of a sub crew.
I'm sure a bunch of teenagers will figure it out somehow. ;)
That post was made in jest, you must realize.

Unless it was a refinery with a direct pipeline to an oil rig, we couldn't transport the crude. At least not without outside help.

Hmmm, that limits my choices to nearby rigs then. Still possible, but with reduced security since the zombies could walk on the pipes. Hmmm, still, cutting of the maintanence ladders in that sector will more or less secure the facility. Now the only question that remains is do we have enough personel to operate the refinery?

As for drydocks, that would be hard. Most drydocks around here from what i've seen aren't easily secured, not without lots of armed guards. And there's the question of whether its big enough to accomodate a carrier. Even if it was, we'd have to watch out for zombie attacks.

on an oil rig... you could well grease up the pipes thus the uncoordinated zombies would fall off

Hmmm, that limits my choices to nearby rigs then. Still possible, but with reduced security since the zombies could walk on the pipes. Hmmm, still, cutting of the maintanence ladders in that sector will more or less secure the facility. Now the only question that remains is do we have enough personel to operate the refinery?

As for drydocks, that would be hard. Most drydocks around here from what i've seen aren't easily secured, not without lots of armed guards. And there's the question of whether its big enough to accomodate a carrier. Even if it was, we'd have to watch out for zombie attacks.Where are you, anyway?

The pipe would probably be underwater, and even if it were above, I doubt the zombies would keep their balance. I'm sure that we could find enough people in the carrier strike group with the technical skills to help operate the refinery.

The drydock would be an unsafe area which would only be used if the ship was in dire need of repair, no doubt. If it needed to be used, I'm sure that a tight perimeter would be created around it, and access to the ships would be secured at the first sign of unholiness.

Where are you, anyway?

The pipe would probably be underwater, and even if it were above, I doubt the zombies would keep their balance. I'm sure that we could find enough people in the carrier strike group with the technical skills to help operate the refinery.

The drydock would be an unsafe area which would only be used if the ship was in dire need of repair, no doubt. If it needed to be used, I'm sure that a tight perimeter would be created around it, and access to the ships would be secured at the first sign of unholiness.

Where do i live? South East Asia, right off the South China Sea and the undersea oil fields they have there so getting to the rigs means just finding a boat or helicopter and being able to use either of them.

Ah, that reminds me. The Singaporean drydocks should be big enough to accomdate carrier sized vessels so no problems finding one. Just securing it.

By the way, you say carrier strike group, so how many ships and crew altogether?

Where do i live? South East Asia, right off the South China Sea and the undersea oil fields they have there so getting to the rigs means just finding a boat or helicopter and being able to use either of them.

By the way, you say carrier strike group, so how many ships and crew altogether?Oh, the Kitty Hawk is right in your back yard then. Although that reminds me, it wouldn't be good if us and a Chinese fleet both decided that we wanted the same oil rig. I mean, obviously the Kitty Hawk Carrier Group would win, but we wouldn't be able to afford to take much damage.

By the way, you say carrier strike group, so how many ships and crew altogether?It varies. But in this scenario, most, if not all, of 7th Fleet would be sailing together.

Well, if the Chinese fleet and the 7th fleet both wanted to use the oil, I think it should be able to make enough for them to walk away happy. It will just mean waiting while one tanks up. Sort of like a gas station no? The only problem is when they want exclusivity or priviledge rights. Then it gets messy. Hmm, I better make sure I end up on a large field though. Otherwise when the tap runs dry, i'm a goner.

Zombie Apocalypse in Alaska?

Running is ok, but you'd get tired quite quickly, zombies don't.

Solaneum Virus zombies have a VERY acute sense of smell.

With luck, the zombies would freeze in the winter, giving you ample time to either escape, or try and kill as many of them as possible.

It's always best to be prepared and have a set location in mind when on the move.

And yes, even places like australia and the philippines would be infected.

Show off...you and your stupid naval groups.

Get the good old crowbar out and get to work

What? No HEV suit? :D

So Falfaar. How does the new agreement between Ryanania and me sound? How would the zombies fair against it anyway?

BTW, how susceptible is the brain matter to fire?

Hypothetical Scenario.

The Earth had entered what we shall deem a severe Class 3 Zombie Infection, bordering on Class 4.

Zombies have risen up in all major cities and also infect many rural areas.

Most military and police services have been infected or destroyed.

The zombies have primarily come from hospitals and are fanning out in all direction from these hotspots.

General panic has struck, roads out are jammed, public services such as water and electricty has been cut off.

What do you do?

Talking like "Dawn of the Dead" style, right?

Take over the nearest military base in all the confusion, and use everything at your disposal to kill everything you can... either that or try to escape to some uninhabited island

So you do kendo or something? You would probably last longer then me, I'm completely untrained in that respect.

I did Kendo for a short while...but uni interrupted that...and i have also do classical fencing too (sabre)...and now I am studying traditional western martial arts, mainly longsword, but also a little dagger work along with quarter staff and methods of walking stick defence (don't laugh...Link (http://www.the-exiles.org/manual/lang/lang.htm) )

So Falfaar. How does the new agreement between Ryanania and me sound? How would the zombies fair against it anyway?

Do you know how to drill for oil? It's not just a matter of pressing a button.

how susceptible is the brain matter to fire?

It would take about five minutes for the flames to burn the brain, or boil it within the skull of the zombie, before that you'd basically just have a zombie which was also on fire.

Ugh, I'd want to avoid places like China or India. There'd be uber-numbers of zombies there.

I did Kendo for a short while...but uni interrupted that...and i have also do classical fencing too (sabre)...and now I am studying traditional western martial arts, mainly longsword, but also a little dagger work along with quarter staff and methods of walking stick defence (don't laugh...Link )

Ten years fencing, specialising in foil and epee' (Made the national team), five years kendo, three years quarterstaff, two and a half years bastard and longsword, not to mention eight years Shaolin Kung-Fu. :D

Hypothetical Scenario.

The Earth had entered what we shall deem a severe Class 3 Zombie Infection, bordering on Class 4.

Zombies have risen up in all major cities and also infect many rural areas.

Most military and police services have been infected or destroyed.

The zombies have primarily come from hospitals and are fanning out in all direction from these hotspots.

General panic has struck, roads out are jammed, public services such as water and electricty has been cut off.

What do you do?

I'd put down the trashy horror novel and get a life. :p

Ten years fencing, specialising in foil and epee' (Made the national team), five years kendo, three years quarterstaff, two and a half years bastard and longsword, not to mention eight years Shaolin Kung-Fu. :D


:eek: And you can still walk?! ;) I jacked in fencing after 2 years as it is too much of a sport and I wanted a more historically based martial art. Took kendo for a year before uni interrupted :( The quarter-staff (as in the English method, to be honest its more half staffing than quarter staff, but when you say half staff hardly anybody knows what you mean) i'm still learning that as well as the hand and a half (longsword, warsword or bastard sword, what ever you wish to call it!), which group in Oz did you study the longsword with as there are a fair few down there?

which group in Oz did you study the longsword

Both the Society for Creative Anachronisms and Circle of the Sword.

Working at a sword shop for three years helped too.

I'd put down the trashy horror novel and get a life.

Ennjoy it! With zombies around you wouldn't have it for long!

Both the Society for Creative Anachronisms and Circle of the Sword.

Working at a sword shop for three years helped too.

Awwwwwwwww man! *Goes green with envy!* I know of the SCA through the book by Terry Brown, looked them up on their website...as soon as I get back home in july its down to some hard practice again...

...as for working in a sword shop! damn you!!! I want that job!!! :p :D

Do you know how to drill for oil? It's not just a matter of pressing a button.

Assuming that the facility was already tapped into a well with the cap lifted, it is less problematic. If the well is drilled into but the cap not removed, that is more problematic as it would involve diving to the cap while guiding the crane hook to the cap, securing it and evacuating the water before the crane can pull up the cap. That's a two man job in the least with just diver and crane operator. Of course setting up the system so it can actually begin transferring the crude takes quite a few people.

Needless to say, I would at least attempt to recruit the few miners I know who come back on shore during their leave.


It would take about five minutes for the flames to burn the brain, or boil it within the skull of the zombie, before that you'd basically just have a zombie which was also on fire.

Hmmm, that rules out the short range inciendary approach. Their skulls aren't any harder are they?


Ugh, I'd want to avoid places like China or India. There'd be uber-numbers of zombies there.

True, but on an oil rig?

How about a prision? Big high solid walls, plenty of space in the yards and on the roofs for growing food, with alittle luck you could dig a well of some kind. The obvious problem is the prisioners themselves, get rid of them and you are laughing.