NationStates Jolt Archive

Haha, awesome.

The best stoner movie I've seen recently is Harold and Kumar. Fuckin' hilarious.
Napolian Dynamite!!! OMG!

no, but the facts being correct and you ignoring it proves me wrong and proves you ignorant.

Show me your facts... the proof was... where?

Anyone else think she's talking in the mirror right now?

Actually its he, and.... you're talking to a wall.

And your trying to argue something and you dont even know the effects of it? please, save us any more annoying banter and just go away. You clearly dont know what your talking abot and now you've finally admited it.

No, I mentioned that you're banter is contradicting your cause, which convinces me that what is KNOWN about the drugs we're discussing may not be EXCLUSIVE facts.

I said it dumbs your mind to pain. Please, if you want to prove me worng, at least quote me correctly. And, indeed, thats what it does.

I quoted you word for word, and no, it does not "numb your body."

Next, dont expect everyting you read for these 'medical reports' to be ture if theyre from the states. The governemtn has a tendecy on leaning on the effects, along with not letting all studies be made. Expecially with the new bush administration that wont allow studies on marijana unless theyre looking for bad effects.

Firstly, they are reports accepted from the international medical community. Also, you might want to do some research. You keep bringing up "facts" that apparently are true just because you say so, not because there is evidence to support it.

Im a chick and i get it all the time. Infact yesterday I skiped 4th cuz I couldnt get up. (infact i didnt realize 4th started until later and then i decided not to walk in late cuz i was simply too burt out).

YOUR A CHICK?!!

OMG LETS MATE!!!

Girls who smoke weed are rare where I live, it's nice to see a lady who can handle her smoke. :D

then that was laced. Weed is a depressant.
I'm curious as to what you think it was laced with? All of the hallucinogens I can think of degrade under the temperature that weed burns at.

And after you come home from work we should lock you in jail because you look stoned and act stoned and even though you had no weed you belong in jail because that state of mide is bad and....wow... then I can get a good night's sleep... :D

I quoted you word for word, and no, it does not "numb your body."
I NEVER said it numbs your body. And then I made a type so this got way out of hand.



Firstly, they are reports accepted from the international medical community. Also, you might want to do some research. You keep bringing up "facts" that apparently are true just because you say so, not because there is evidence to support it.
um, theres fact to support it. Go do some reasearch yourself buddy. Or go get stoned a few times, you'll realize your wrong.

YOUR A CHICK?!!

OMG LETS MATE!!!

Girls who smoke weed are rare where I live, it's nice to see a lady who can handle her smoke. :D
yeah man. Im gonna fount of youth it on my b-day. Oooh im gonna get so ripped.

LOL.

For some reason I took less offense to that.

Hmmm....

I'm curious as to what you think it was laced with? All of the hallucinogens I can think of degrade under the temperature that weed burns at.
:rolleyes: then you dont have a very good concept of drugs, my friend. It can be laced with next to anything. Meth, coke, heroin, lsd, pcp, you name it. Ive never heard of any drugs degrading...
Infact that doesnt even make any sence. Highschool chemistry. If it does 'degrade' then your just going to inhale it and get the effects cuz whatever it 'degrades' to cant be something as healthy as oxygen.

wow... then I can get a good night's sleep... :D
or you can fess up to the hypocracy. your choice.

LOL.

For some reason I took less offense to that.

Hmmm....
offence to what?

offence to what?

the attitude. I'm a guy sure, hell sometimes pugnacious, but I still get irked quickly by people with agressive attitudes. Maybe I need to change my profession?

the attitude. I'm a guy sure, hell sometimes pugnacious, but I still get irked quickly by people with agressive attitudes. Maybe I need to change my profession?
that depends on what your profession is.

that depends on what your profession is.

Read the sig.

yeah man. Im gonna fount of youth it on my b-day. Oooh im gonna get so ripped.

if you have msn, hit me up jon_ander_i@hotmail.com
:D

Read the sig.
cant. my internet doesnt like me.

:rolleyes: then you dont have a very good concept of drugs, my friend. It can be laced with next to anything. Meth, coke, heroin, lsd, pcp, you name it. Ive never heard of any drugs degrading...
Infact that doesnt even make any sence. Highschool chemistry. If it does 'degrade' then your just going to inhale it and get the effects cuz whatever it 'degrades' to cant be something as healthy as oxygen.
LSD and the myriad chemicals in magic mushrooms break down into inert chemicals under heat. Coke isn't a hallucinogen, I don't think heroin is either (though I could be wrong, it seems to do many different things)....forgot PCP and meth though (surprising, actually....my mate Graeme smoked a joint from a stranger at a festival, and as near as we can figure out from his description of effects it was PCP :p )

Well, seeing how my dad is in charge of the Narcotics Affairs Section of Panama, he knows about this kinda stuff, and this is basically the reason he said:

Well, Marijuana isn't addictive or as bad as other drugs, but it can act as a 'jumping board' for other drugs. Example: Some kid at Something High School takes Marijuana, and he does fine mostly. When some guy comes up to him and offers him Crack, he goes, "Well, they said Marijuana was bad and I'm fine, so what the hey!" So then he becomes a crack head. Why? Because Marijuana acted as his jumping board.

Also, who knows what the marijuana is laced with. Do the drug dealers care about you? Hell no! They probably sprinkle a little "angle dust" or something on it, so you become addicted to it. Not to mention, you get messed up and die.

Now here's my reason for not doing drugs:

Because I want to live past the age of 60. I don't want to pollute my body with drugs, or alchohol, or smoking. They may not be illegal, but they deffinetly screw up my body. How am I to change the world if I'm constantly high, drunk, or coughing my lungs out due to cancer? Frankly, anyone who does any of those things make me sick, seeing how they are killing their body, with which they could achieve so much. However, you can't achieve anything when your brain is fried.

if you have msn, hit me up jon_ander_i@hotmail.com
:D
done. now accept me dam it.

cant. my internet doesnt like me.

Ah. Sorry to hear that.

Enlisted, U.S. Army
currently stationed in S. Korea

(and trumpetist1@hotmail.com) if you want to harass each other thru messenger or email :P

or you can fess up to the hypocracy. your choice.right now... Sleep is more tempting.

and two... there are tests that can and would be performed upon arrest that would clear me.

for one, Blood, they won't find anything.
two upon arrest, Adrenaline will counter the listlessness and make me more alert. not so with weed.
three a thorough search of my premises (with my permission of course) would not turn up one Iota of Weed, or any other types of drugs...

Well, seeing how my dad is in charge of the Narcotics Affairs Section of Panama, he knows about this kinda stuff, and this is basically the reason he said:

Well, Marijuana isn't addictive or as bad as other drugs, but it can act as a 'jumping board' for other drugs. Example: Some kid at Something High School takes Marijuana, and he does fine mostly. When some guy comes up to him and offers him Crack, he goes, "Well, they said Marijuana was bad and I'm fine, so what the hey!" So then he becomes a crack head. Why? Because Marijuana acted as his jumping board.

Also, who knows what the marijuana is laced with. Do the drug dealers care about you? Hell no! They probably sprinkle a little "angle dust" or something on it, so you become addicted to it. Not to mention, you get messed up and die.

Now here's my reason for not doing drugs:

Because I want to live past the age of 60. I don't want to pollute my body with drugs, or alchohol, or smoking. They may not be illegal, but they deffinetly screw up my body. How am I to change the world if I'm constantly high, drunk, or coughing my lungs out due to cancer? Frankly, anyone who does any of those things make me sick, seeing how they are killing their body, with which they could achieve so much. However, you can't achieve anything when your brain is fried.

1) No one jumps that easily from weed to crack. That's a massive exaggeration.

2) Drug dealers don't regularly lace weed. Why? Because it's stupid. It costs money to buy drugs, why would they waste their profit on some kid looking for a good time? Also, why would they want to kill a customer?

The whole "Lacing weed" example is the worst example ever. It doesn't happen alot.

Well, Marijuana isn't addictive or as bad as other drugs, but it can act as a 'jumping board' for other drugs. Example: Some kid at Something High School takes Marijuana, and he does fine mostly. When some guy comes up to him and offers him Crack, he goes, "Well, they said Marijuana was bad and I'm fine, so what the hey!" So then he becomes a crack head. Why? Because Marijuana acted as his jumping board.

Inform your father that only 7% of people actually use pot as a gate-way drug, and thoes that do are failures before they try it.

Also, who knows what the marijuana is laced with. Do the drug dealers care about you? Hell no!
Actually....if you dont like their shit you dont go back. The 'you dont know where its actually comming from' arugment is full of shit.

They probably sprinkle a little "angle dust" or something on it, so you become addicted to it. Not to mention, you get messed up and die.

this is VERY uncommon. Do you have any idea how many dealers there are in the country? Now how many of them actually lace thier shit up so you can get addicted and die. very VERY few. I doubt its even a percentage

Well, seeing how my dad is in charge of the Narcotics Affairs Section of Panama, he knows about this kinda stuff, and this is basically the reason he said:

Well, Marijuana isn't addictive or as bad as other drugs, but it can act as a 'jumping board' for other drugs. Example: Some kid at Something High School takes Marijuana, and he does fine mostly. When some guy comes up to him and offers him Crack, he goes, "Well, they said Marijuana was bad and I'm fine, so what the hey!" So then he becomes a crack head. Why? Because Marijuana acted as his jumping board.

Also, who knows what the marijuana is laced with. Do the drug dealers care about you? Hell no! They probably sprinkle a little "angle dust" or something on it, so you become addicted to it. Not to mention, you get messed up and die.

Now here's my reason for not doing drugs:

Because I want to live past the age of 60. I don't want to pollute my body with drugs, or alchohol, or smoking. They may not be illegal, but they deffinetly screw up my body. How am I to change the world if I'm constantly high, drunk, or coughing my lungs out due to cancer? Frankly, anyone who does any of those things make me sick, seeing how they are killing their body, with which they could achieve so much. However, you can't achieve anything when your brain is fried.

The 'jumping board' argument is an argument for legalisation, not prohibition as is the 'dealer' argument.

It's very possible to do drugs without 'burning out'. Many people have changed the world or done massively constructive things and still get wasted (the Beatles, for instance).

Ah. Sorry to hear that.

Enlisted, U.S. Army
currently stationed in S. Korea

(and trumpetist1@hotmail.com) if you want to harass each other thru messenger or email :P
*adds*

right now... Sleep is more tempting.

and two... there are tests that can and would be performed upon arrest that would clear me.

for one, Blood, they won't find anything.
two upon arrest, Adrenaline will counter the listlessness and make me more alert. not so with weed.
three a thorough search of my premises (with my permission of course) would not turn up one Iota of Weed, or any other types of drugs...
you missed the point. Weather you under the effects of marijuana or not, your still displayign the same effects. By your logic you should be locked up.

And thats where the hypocracy lies.

three a thorough search of my premises (with my permission of course) would not turn up one Iota of Weed, or any other types of drugs...

*hides copious amounts of illegal substances around Nekone's home and phones in the Feds* :P

1) No one jumps that easily from weed to crack. That's a massive exaggeration.

2) Drug dealers don't regularly lace weed. Why? Because it's stupid. It costs money to buy drugs, why would they waste their profit on some kid looking for a good time? Also, why would they want to kill a customer?

The whole "Lacing weed" example is the worst example ever. It doesn't happen alot.
I love you.

1) No one jumps that easily from weed to crack. That's a massive exaggeration.

2) Drug dealers don't regularly lace weed. Why? Because it's stupid. It costs money to buy drugs, why would they waste their profit on some kid looking for a good time? Also, why would they want to kill a customer?

The whole "Lacing weed" example is the worst example ever. It doesn't happen alot.


What are you, blind?

Oh yeah, I forgot. You live in your rich, first world country where all you damnable people want to pollute your body as much as possible.

Let's think, shall we? Who would know more about drugs?

An experience NAS officer, who helped combat and reduce the use of Opium in Pakistan, as well as help the Panamanian Police help to combat drug dealers and smugglers?

Or some drug-advocator who just knows that "drugs are fun".

Trust me, when villages have been raised by drug lords for your drugs, I don't find that "fun."

Oh, and by the way, they don't lace the weed to kill, they lace to weed to make the smoker addicted. Read my post.

*hides copious amounts of illegal substances around Nekone's home and phones in the Feds* :P
rofl
*joins in*

The whole "Lacing weed" example is the worst example ever. It doesn't happen alot.

I think the lacing argument is actually a good argument for legalisation. I've seen it done in my local area (as in citywide, not just a village), so when people buy it they get hooked and keep coming back....then once people are hooked, they stop selling weed and push whatever it was laced with instead. If it was legalised, this wouldn't happen.

What are you, blind?

Oh yeah, I forgot. You live in your rich, first world country where all you damnable people want to pollute your body as much as possible.

Let's think, shall we? Who would know more about drugs?

An experience NAS officer, who helped combat and reduce the use of Opium in Pakistan, as well as help the Panamanian Police help to combat drug dealers and smugglers?

Or some drug-advocator who just knows that "drugs are fun".

Trust me, when villages have been raised by drug lords for your drugs, I don't find that "fun."

Oh, and by the way, they don't lace the weed to kill, they lace to weed to make the smoker addicted. Read my post.

Who would know better, someone who reads from a text book or someone who is out there experiencing. You can read about the war all you want, but you really know nothing compared to someone who's actually been in it.

Dont give me that crap. Textbook deffinitions arent worth shit. Yes, it CAN be a gate-way drug. Yes it CAN be laced. Yes it CAN lead to addiction. BUT NEXT TO NONE OF THEM DO! Do you have any idea how many people try drugs? And out of the population how many people end up in the gutter wasting away being addicted to haroin?

Think before you make statements.

The whole "Lacing weed" example is the worst example ever. It doesn't happen alot.

Actually, people lace it quite frequently, not with more expensive drugs, but with whatever crap they can find that is cheap and will make up the weight so they can sell more. Mostly it gets sold to stupid teenagers who don't know any better.

Personally though, the reason I stopped smoking was because I was losing my memory & was becoming addicted & it freaked me out. I don't think it's wrong to smoke it, I don't think it should be illegal... it's just not for me. I have other vices - caffeine, alcohol, etc. Whatever.
It's a personal decision as far as I'm concerned. You want to smoke? That's your business. Have fun.

Who would know better, someone who reads from a text book or someone who is out there experiencing. You can read about the war all you want, but you really know nothing compared to someone who's actually been in it.

Dont give me that crap. Textbook deffinitions arent worth shit. Yes, it CAN be a gate-way drug. Yes it CAN be laced. Yes it CAN lead to addiction. BUT NEXT TO NONE OF THEM DO! Do you have any idea how many people try drugs? And out of the population how many people end up in the gutter wasting away being addicted to haroin?

Think before you make statements.

What?

If you didn't know, I was with my father in those countries. I saw what was going on. In fact, I live in Panama right now.

Think before you make statements.

Trust me, when villages have been raised by drug lords for your drugs, I don't find that "fun."

Another reason to legalise cannabis; it takes income from the drug lords. If everyone can grow their own, or buy regulated-quality domestic-grown dope, nobody's going to buy a foreign unknown quantity.

What?

If you didn't know, I was with my father in those countries. I saw what was going on. In fact, I live in Panama right now.

Think before you make statements.
We're talking about first world nations here. Keep on topic.

We're talking about first world nations here. Keep on topic.

Just because you live in a first world country the countries that the drugs come from don't matter?

Nice to know you care so much about the lives being destroyed all over the world for that little plant rapped in paper people smoke...

Just because you live in a first world country the countries that the drugs come from don't matter?

Nice to know you care so much about the lives being destroyed all over the world for that little plant rapped in paper people smoke...
I cant say I do, really. I mean i realize I should, but currently theyre 'other' and i dont feel like ovewhelming myself with emotion.

I cant say I do, really. I mean i realize I should, but currently theyre 'other' and i dont feel like ovewhelming myself with emotion.

How remarkably mature and responsible of you.

I cant say I do, really. I mean i realize I should, but currently theyre 'other' and i dont feel like ovewhelming myself with emotion.

...

I have just realised that talking to you is worthless.

You have no compassion for human life, all you care about is the next puff of marijuana.

Has humanity really sunk so low?

How remarkably mature and responsible of you.
oh dont give me that crap. You push extream biased views around as if they were fact and now your trying to guilt trip me. You sound like a tree hugging hippy trying to get me to save the panda bears.

...

I have just realised that talking to you is worthless.

You have no compassion for human life, all you care about is the next puff of marijuana.

Has humanity really sunk so low?
Its sunk so low that you actually think that. Just cuz i support the legalization doesnt mean im smoking it all the fucking time. keep up!

Its sunk so low that you actually think that. Just cuz i support the legalization doesnt mean im smoking it all the fucking time. keep up!

Fine then:

You don't care about human life, just legalising drugs so that others can ruin their lives.

Wow, I think that is actually worse.

you missed the point. Weather you under the effects of marijuana or not, your still displayign the same effects. By your logic you should be locked up.

And thats where the hypocracy lies.No you're missing the Point. The point is I won't be arrested because I DONT DO Marjiuana! Now, If I crash my car due to lack of sleep... that's Inattentive Driving. and yes, I would be Arrested. If I cause an injury while falling asleep. then yes I will be arrested and the charge will be determined by the extent of the injury. however, circumstances can bring about that effect. but with weed, you choose to partake of it. thus the actions that will hamper your ability and impair your judgment is by your choice.

Edited: too close to flaming... sorry. :(

Fine then:

You don't care about human life, just legalising drugs so that others can ruin their lives.

Wow, I think that is actually worse.
the fact that your still not getting it is pathetic.

The fact that I can turn unknown beings in 'other' means that I have the mental strength to keep myself sane and keep my life on track. i can 'turn that off' when I want to, and be compassionate for people i know, but I dont need to cry a river everyt ime someone gets shot (because then id be dying constantly). Im perfectly aware that people are dying all over the place constantly from rapes, and over doses, and cancer, and anything else imaginable. Call me 'numb' to it but I just cant let myself cry all the time.

Next, I am liberal. If people want to throw their lives away to drugs then so be it. If people want to indulge in a joint every once in a while then so be it.

oh dont give me that crap. You push extream biased views around as if they were fact and now your trying to guilt trip me. You sound like a tree hugging hippy trying to get me to save the panda bears.

Which 'extreme biased views' am I 'pushing around', pray tell? I'm not trying to guilt trip you, but we all live on the same planet. If you're too lazy/selfish to help others, don't be surprised if other don't help you.

Fine then:

You don't care about human life, just legalising drugs so that others can ruin their lives.

Wow, I think that is actually worse.


People wouldn't HAVE to smoke it, slap it, snort it or stick it you know. They would just be legalized, not enforced.

No you're missing the Point. The point is I won't be arrested because I DONT DO Marjiuana! Now, If I crash my car due to lack of sleep... that's Inattentive Driving. and yes, I would be Arrested. If I cause an injury while falling asleep. then yes I will be arrested and the charge will be determined by the extent of the injury. however, circumstances can bring about that effect. but with weed, you choose to partake of it. thus the actions that will hamper your ability and impair your judgment is by your choice.

Edited: too close to flaming... sorry. :(

You choose to work long hours and drive while tired. Unless you're hopelessly addicted to your job :rolleyes:

No you're missing the Point. The point is I won't be arrested because I DONT DO Marjiuana!
Um no, i replied to you and you missunderstood what I said.

Ok let me replay this for you

you: oh, marijuana does this to you? sounds like me

me: well then, obviously you must be thrown in jail

you: but i dont do drugs

me: no, but it has the same effect as drugs so by your logic you should be thrown in jail

you: but i dont do drugs

me: but you still are ACTING as if you ARE on drugs and you still LOOK as if you ARE on drugs and since thats what you dot like about the drugs, you should be put in jail any way.


Does it make sence yet?!

the fact that your still not getting it is pathetic.

The fact that I can turn unknown beings in 'other' means that I have the mental strength to keep myself sane and keep my life on track. i can 'turn that off' when I want to, and be compassionate for people i know, but I dont need to cry a river everyt ime someone gets shot (because then id be dying constantly). Im perfectly aware that people are dying all over the place constantly from rapes, and over doses, and cancer, and anything else imaginable. Call me 'numb' to it but I just cant let myself cry all the time.

Next, I am liberal. If people want to throw their lives away to drugs then so be it. If people want to indulge in a joint every once in a while then so be it.so are you admitting that Drugs are Harmful?

Which 'extreme biased views' am I 'pushing around', pray tell? I'm not trying to guilt trip you, but we all live on the same planet. If you're too lazy/selfish to help others, don't be surprised if other don't help you.
Your missing something: it would be very hard to directly affect me. Maybe future generations, but nto quite me.

Ive htough long and hard about this, sweat shops, drugs, and you cant change it. Its throwing money at a situation, not a cause. And until us in the first world are willing to give up everything that makes us us, this is the way its gong to remain. We're high because theyre low. Thats how the world economy works.

Now you trying to convince me other-wise is an extream biased view.

so are you admitting that Drugs are Harmful?
I never said drugs werent harmful. I was the one saying I wont get in the car if the driver has taken any medication recently or smoked a cigarette. Im very picky about it.

My point is that weed doesnt have the affects the government and such try to give it. I dont agree with the 'evil' face people put pot into.

so are you admitting that Drugs are Harmful?


Everything is harmful you dummy. Eating at a fast food restaurant
is bad for you, and if you know it is bad for you why do you eat it? Simple, you like it. If people want to smoke pot and accept the possible consequences then so be it. Just like if you want to eat a cheeseburger dripping with grease and fat and accept the possible consequences... knock yourself out.

Everything is harmful you dummy. Eating at a fast food restraunt
is bad for you, and if you know it is bad for you why do you eat it? Simple, you like it. If people want to smoke pot and accept the possible consequences then so be it. Just like if you want to eat a cheeseburger dripping with grease and fat and accept the possible consequences... knock yourself out.
I could hug and squeeze you.

the fact that your still not getting it is pathetic.

The fact that I can turn unknown beings in 'other' means that I have the mental strength to keep myself sane and keep my life on track. i can 'turn that off' when I want to, and be compassionate for people i know, but I dont need to cry a river everyt ime someone gets shot (because then id be dying constantly). Im perfectly aware that people are dying all over the place constantly from rapes, and over doses, and cancer, and anything else imaginable. Call me 'numb' to it but I just cant let myself cry all the time.

Next, I am liberal. If people want to throw their lives away to drugs then so be it. If people want to indulge in a joint every once in a while then so be it.

They don't want to, dammit! Well, at least I think they don't want their village to be burned, their families slaughtered, and them to be impressed into some drug-lords workforce..

Your missing something: it would be very hard to directly affect me. Maybe future generations, but nto quite me.

Ive htough long and hard about this, sweat shops, drugs, and you cant change it. Its throwing money at a situation, not a cause. And until us in the first world are willing to give up everything that makes us us, this is the way its gong to remain. We're high because theyre low. Thats how the world economy works.

Now you trying to convince me other-wise is an extream biased view.

I'm trying to convince you that everything makes a difference, because that's a fact. You may not be able to see the difference, but it's there, and it becomes visible if enough people make that effort. And I'm surea feeling of self-satisfaction that you've done at least something to end the suffering of millions is better than just feeling 'numb'.

Um no, i replied to you and you missunderstood what I said.
Ok let me replay this for you
you: oh, marijuana does this to you? sounds like me
me: well then, obviously you must be thrown in jail
you: but i dont do drugs
me: no, but it has the same effect as drugs so by your logic you should be thrown in jail
you: but i dont do drugs
Me: but you still are ACTING as if you ARE on drugs and you still LOOK as if you ARE on drugs and since thats what you dot like about the drugs, you should be put in jail any way.
Does it make sence yet?!No.
because of two things. One, as tired as I am, I am still Alert and aware of my surroundings. Not so after weed... by your own admission, it "puts you to sleep" so I won't be falling asleep at the wheel.
Two, the physical appearance is one thing. but Weed... by your own discription, Hampers ability as well.
Three. Sure I can be pulled over, but the Adrenaline shock of being pulled over will wake me up (Has happened before by the way. the officer did ask some very pointed questions but was satisfied that I was only 'Tired.') Not so with Weed.

They don't want to, dammit! Well, at least I think they don't want their village to be burned, their families slaughtered, and them to be impressed into some drug-lords workforce..



The entire reason for drug lords is the VALUE of marijuana since its ILLEGAL. If marijuana was legal you could easily grow your own or go down to 7-11 and buy a pack of it without getting busted. And slaughtered families, villages burned?! Where in the hell do you get this? This is MARIJUANA, first off all while you’re stoned, you can barely do anything as slaughter an entire family let alone light a fire to anything except the object which you use to inhale your weed. Second of all marijuana does not make you violent, in fact it makes you quite peaceful usually. On the other hand, beer makes you very aggressive and I believe if beer is legalized, marijuana should be too.

They don't want to, dammit! Well, at least I think they don't want their village to be burned, their families slaughtered, and them to be impressed into some drug-lords workforce..
what are you talking about? Where did this come in? I jus told you you cant change it. It doesnt matter what they want or dont want, its what theyre born into and unless they can over-throw the US governemtn thats the way its staying.

I'm trying to convince you that everything makes a difference, because that's a fact. You may not be able to see the difference, but it's there, and it becomes visible if enough people make that effort. And I'm surea feeling of self-satisfaction that you've done at least something to end the suffering of millions is better than just feeling 'numb'.
In the grand sceme of things it relaly doesnt.
Look at the world economy babe, look at it from the large picture. Unless they over-throw their master government its not happening.

National debt, have you noticed why the interest rates are where they are? Because that nation now OWNES them. They give them enough money to live and then be their slaves.

Look at the economy. it all has to ballance out. Currently its unballanced, taht why first world nations are up high and third world natoins are low. They cant do anything because we're focing them down. Theyre doing the crappy work so we can do the good work. How many factory workers do you know? Now how many factory workers does the average sumalian know.

Nothigns going to change this unless WE change it here. And we're not going to. So come to the realization that you cant do shit.

No.
because of two things. One, as tired as I am, I am still Alert and aware of my surroundings. Not so after weed... by your own admission, it "puts you to sleep" so I won't be falling asleep at the wheel.
Two, the physical appearance is one thing. but Weed... by your own discription, Hampers ability as well.
Three. Sure I can be pulled over, but the Adrenaline shock of being pulled over will wake me up (Has happened before by the way. the officer did ask some very pointed questions but was satisfied that I was only 'Tired.') Not so with Weed.
Do you have any idea how many people fall asleep at the wheel because theyre tired? Now how many fall asleep at the weel cuz theyre stoned. Think about it. If anything this proves that you should DEFFIANTLY be in jail if your tired and only MAYBE be in jail if your stoned.

Fatigue DOES impare your judgement, it does make you less alert. Whoever told you that is fucking dumb, and your not much more inteligent for believing it.

And yes, you agreed that my description matches you in every way (with the exception of your eyes being red around the eyes, but that happens to, i just didnt explain it very well).

Adrenalin shock? You dont know much about biology either. Adrenalin gets released, then Noradrenalin (anti-adrenalin). Theyre also known as Epenephrin and Norepenephrin. Basically you got no case. Because your still impared.

Now you claim that I havent proved you wrong ever, but I made this as clear as I could so that you could realize that all three of your poitns stand truth only in your head - and hopefully not there any more either. Do you need further explanation? or are you good.

They greatly over estimated the power of it. They thought it was more dangerous then it was for being a gateway drug which could lead to acid, cocaine, etc which caused some people to jump in a leap of faith.

Just over estimation and not as profitable as cigarettes

Nothigns going to change this unless WE change it here. And we're not going to. So come to the realization that you cant do shit.

You really didn't get a word I said, did you? If everyone thinks like you, we're all screwed. However, if you try to make a difference,and others do, then there will be a difference (there is a difference being made in many parts of the world). Once people see this change, they'll start to join in, and once enough people realise the root of the problem then the fundamentals will change. The alternative is that we do fuck-all, in which case the blood is on your hands. And if there is a revolution, your kind will (hopefully) be put to their deaths.

Fatigue DOES impare your judgement, it does make you less alert. Whoever told you that is fucking dumb, and your not much more inteligent for believing it.

Adrenalin shock? You dont know much about biology either. Adrenalin gets released, then Noradrenalin (anti-adrenalin). Theyre also known as Epenephrin and Norepenephrin. Basically you got no case. Because your still impared.

I may think s/he's an asshole, but when s/he's right s/he's right. I'd say the point goes to Istenert on this one.

They don't want to, dammit! Well, at least I think they don't want their village to be burned, their families slaughtered, and them to be impressed into some drug-lords workforce..Whereas having their crops destroyed via the US DEA spraying them with toxic carcinogens being spraying all over the place is so pleasent.

You really didn't get a word I said, did you? If everyone thinks like you, we're all screwed.
If everyone thought like me then we wouldnt be talking on the internet, there would be no internet. But im conforming. Just like you. The difference is that I admit it.

However, if you try to make a difference,and others do, then there will be a difference (there is a difference being made in many parts of the world).

Tell the US govnerment to throw away all its 'inligence' and 'power' and forgive all debt (though it might, since the US is the only covernemtn in the trillions in debt).
Basically, youd have to bring down the US - being the super power - and all other first world nations. But you didnt consider this did you, because, after all, you dont think like me

Once people see this change, they'll start to join in,
There isnt going to be a change.
Yes, Mexico is getting a stronger economy. Thats with the comming of democracy and the internet and the convenient placement right under the states and beign apart of NAFTA.
I agree, changes CAN be made. But liberating Rawanda into a first world nation isnt phesable. Lets think realistically.

and once enough people realise the root of the problem then the fundamentals will change.
ive said the roots of the problem about 3 times already: US. You and your computer. Your car. Your house. Even your keys!!!

The alternative is that we do fuck-all, in which case the blood is on your hands. And if there is a revolution, your kind will (hopefully) be put to their deaths.
my kind? meaning what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis

I may think s/he's an asshole, but when s/he's right s/he's right. I'd say the point goes to Istenert on this one.
*bows*

Finally someone not to proud to admit it.

Im a chick btw.

If everyone thought like me then we wouldnt be talking on the internet, there would be no internet. But im conforming. Just like you. The difference is that I admit it.

Tell the US govnerment to throw away all its 'inligence' and 'power' and forgive all debt (though it might, since the US is the only covernemtn in the trillions in debt).
Basically, youd have to bring down the US - being the super power - and all other first world nations. But you didnt consider this did you, because, after all, you dont think like me


There isnt going to be a change.
Yes, Mexico is getting a stronger economy. Thats with the comming of democracy and the internet and the convenient placement right under the states and beign apart of NAFTA.
I agree, changes CAN be made. But liberating Rawanda into a first world nation isnt phesable. Lets think realistically.


ive said the roots of the problem about 3 times already: US. You and your computer. Your car. Your house. Even your keys!!!


my kind? meaning what?


You're not "just like me" because I actually do something about it. Not as much as I could, but I'm doing more and more every day. Every little helps, as the saying goes.

What the hell is 'inligence'? I normally ignore bad spelling, but I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. I have considered it, and yes the US would need drastic governmental restructuring. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it would never have been built if the builders hadn't bothered because it was "too big". The EU, however, is much closer to a sustainable society, and has a more open and empowered populace to make it happen. And the US will be toppled by its sheer inability to trade with the outside world if it doesn't start stepping in line and resolving their environmental and foreign affairs crises.

Liberating Rwanda is feasible; the '1st world' part comes after the majority of the globe is liberated (including the US). And in that environment, building it into a 1st world nation is entirely feasible.

The problem isn't the objects themselves. It's a) the need for them, which will become much less of a problem when we fix b) the means of production and distribution.

'Your kind' is the apathetic hoi polloi that's slowly but surely dragging this planet to destruction.

I know and i will tell.

The government cannot regulate all of the marijuana. If they could it would be legal; why you ask, because they would make a whole bunch of money if they could tax the sale of marijuana, but because there are so many sellers that would not sell it under the government's watch and they would not report it to them so they will not get taxed. Unless the government can make a lot of money off of something, then its illegal.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.

Only if you already had a pre-existing psychological disability.

You're not "just like me" because I actually do something about it. Not as much as I could, but I'm doing more and more every day. Every little helps, as the saying goes.
you'd like to think that wouldnt you.
Your appart of a fad, thats it.

Did you donate to the tsunami? What abotu Africa? And how often do you donate? And do you know what fund your donating to? Do you know exactly what they do with that money?
And what else do you do? Hm, do tell. Because donations dont do anything for anyone. Call me a consperacy theorist, but your just being scammed.

And until you give up indoor plumbing your not really helping. Your just pretending to help. Your poser-helping. Your making yourself feel better and really making no difference.

What the hell is 'inligence'?
well if you cant figure it out then your one sad creature. Looks like Inteligence to me - and I dont even know what your quoting.

I normally ignore bad spelling, but I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say.
thats a real shame

I have considered it, and yes the US would need drastic governmental restructuring. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it would never have been built if the builders hadn't bothered because it was "too big".
Your not understanding this are you. You dont get to keep what you have. You dont get the good jobs, nice cars, big houses, and cellphones. YOU GIVE UP EVERYTHING YOU KNOW!

The EU, however, is much closer to a sustainable society, and has a more open and empowered populace to make it happen. And the US will be toppled by its sheer inability to trade with the outside world if it doesn't start stepping in line and resolving their environmental and foreign affairs crises.
Yes, many have claimed that the wars are a last attempt from keeping the governmetn from crubling. I missed the details of it, theres a writer that has an excelent outlined theory on it. Gwen Dier or something like that. Look into it, you may like it.

Liberating Rwanda is feasible; the '1st world' part comes after the majority of the globe is liberated (including the US). And in that environment, building it into a 1st world nation is entirely feasible.
No its really not. Unless you feel like turning into Rwanada for a couple of generations so that they can turn into us, its not happening. And then of course we have to do this with every nation...


'Your kind' is the apathetic hoi polloi that's slowly but surely dragging this planet to destruction.
Oh yeah because clearly you know everything about me and im the virus that lives in the planet.

Sweetie, you dont know the first thing about me, my opinoins, and what I know about the world. No, ive never been in a war zone, but dont clump me in with some hated fecies of society because the exact same can be done to you for your blind arrogance and stupidity.

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Nakone deleted this because s/he felt it was too close to flaming. Im replying to it any way. This is an open public discussion and opinons and facts need to get out there for all to see. We cant have people walking away not understanding situations completley now can we.


never said Fatigue didn't
then what were you implying? That driving with fatigue does impare you but thats all right?

and I Made a harmess "I'll end this conversation on a good note" remark but you kept pushing and pulling...
I thought I made one of thoes a few quotes back...hm...

actually no. because of the adrenalin hitting your system, you are given a space of clarity where your situation becomes real.
and then you go back to driving impared

you can then take the precautions needed to insure further risk is minimized.
you shouldnt have gotten in the fucking car to begin with. Just like a drunk shouldnt have gotten in. Just because they didnt die their first drive home, doesnt mean they wont die going back out.

(i.e. pulling off on the side and taking a nap for instance.) when stoned, you don't get that moment of clear thinking.
you've never been stoned.
And its become clear that a stoner thinks more clearly than you do when your solber - if youd drive tired.

However, you too admit that there are dangers in partaking of Weed.
Theres dangers of playing out int he sun! WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POINT

you also admitted that not everyone is as careful as you are.

Yet your presidents the bigest fucking moron to grace parlament.

so why allow something that will hamper and hinder ability and Judgement to be made legalized?

GAH! If i havent said this three times then ive said it 4 times: It makes the substance less exotic and people arent as keen to do it all the time. it raises aware ness.

Have you noticed that the states with the less sex education and states that are harder to get the oral contraseptive are also the state with the highest number of teen pregnancies?

YOU HAVE NO CASE!

as you say, Alcohol does it, Tobacco does it.
yet theyre legal, and will stay that way

so let's add another thing to the list, that's logical.
So lets have some dangerous substances legal, and less dangers substances illigal? thats logical too!

Think clearly here, it makes it less exotic. Look at alcohol. WHo has the bigger alcohol problem? Teens. The people not alowed to drink. Adults already know their limit, know when to drink, and they dont drive around drunk. There are exceptions, but there exceptions to everyting. Just like there are responsible teen drinkers.

hey while we're at it, why no remove the drinking age and lift the smoking ban.

Took the words right out of my mouth
wow thats creepy. Hahha. I didnt read ahead, i saw you quoted me so i quoted you back. rofl

After all its all the same to you and your world view of it "dosn't hurt me that's why."
No thats not what i think. Educatoin is the key, love. educate people and you dont end up with morons. Like i said, there will be exceptions, but your actually lowering the amount of stupid people by giving them choices and educating them - unbiasedly of course.

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I don't have any money to give to charity. If I did, I'd be very careful about which ones I gave to - there are alot of scams, but there are also good charites doing real work which benefits real people. I fail to see how dismantling my home and removing facilities which have no connection to foreign policy will help my cause.

It doesn't involve giving up "EVERYTHING I KNOW!". That's total BS. There's not some universal balance that we all must adhere to; the entire world can live as we do. Efficiency and sustainability do not mean giving up what we have, they mean using less of it to achieve the same outcome. For a start, actually getting rid of possessions won't help anyone, because it's justcreating trash - unless you're planning on shipping the possessions of the West to Africa, in which case I agree it's unfeasible.

I never said I knew everything about you. I used the views you made obvious in your previous posts to get an idea of how you thought, and replied as such.

I don't have any money to give to charity. If I did, I'd be very careful about which ones I gave to - there are alot of scams, but there are also good charites doing real work which benefits real people.

what, like the fucking 'christian childrens fund' that advertizes on TV all the fucking time. You mean they take 2c form your dollar for themselves? Meaning the more you sponsor the more you make. Common now, theyre all scamming.

I fail to see how dismantling my home and removing facilities which have no connection to foreign policy will help my cause.
Thats why you dont think like me, and thats why you dont have my opinoins, thats why your convinced you can make a difference and still have all the luxuries in the world.

Where do you think the money to help these kids out is going to come from? YOU! Wich means all public things are now GONE, prices for EVERYTHIGN will go UP. You wont be able to aford anything and you'll still be paying the government money. You'll also have to forgive all debts from other nations, wich means that all the work your cuontry just did has been for free. And all the money you continue to put it not it, is free.

Next we have things like international trade. As your jobs go down, so will the trade. And so now we have factories. And they're making things like shoes and tables that only the rich will be able to aford because, once again, you can barely aford food. Oh your houes can still have plumbing, but thoes taps are dry.

And I could go on, but its going to take you a while to absorb this much.

It doesn't involve giving up "EVERYTHING I KNOW!". That's total BS. There's not some universal balance that we all must adhere to; the entire world can live as we do.
No it cant. Who does your dirty work? Third world nations. you dont even know how much dirty work they do. People here complain about working at McDonalds and gas prices being to high. In the grand sceme of things, thats nothing. Be happy you can work at a grease joint and yoru lucky if you have a car

Efficiency and sustainability do not mean giving up what we have, they mean using less of it to achieve the same outcome.
It doesnt work like that. You can just give every nation a little bit of money at a time. Hey did you know that Canada gives Foreign Aid to China? WTF is up with that? China is actually considered an emerging super power. Im not sure if the states gives any money to china.

Any way, the entire scenario is fucking shit. Yes, you'd have to give up pretty much everything. Nah, but we'd live about pre-Iraq-War. Actually thats not that bad, thoes kids have swiming pools! Eh, ok, so maybe not that great.

And I dont think you understand the population difference. How many people are in first world nation compared to how many people arent. Isnt it someting like 5/6 of the world is living empoverished?

For a start, actually getting rid of possessions won't help anyone, because it's justcreating trash - unless you're planning on shipping the possessions of the West to Africa, in which case I agree it's unfeasible.
No i ment your not getting new stuff, so the stuff you do have will eventually wear out, break, become unusable, and then you'll have nothing.

I never said I knew everything about you. I used the views you made obvious in your previous posts to get an idea of how you thought, and replied as such.
you assume too much.

You're thinking in terms of everything as buying and selling, everyone making a profit. That is the problem.

Anyhow, this is severe threadjacking. I'm off forsleep....if you want to take this further,start a thread and I'll address it when I wake.

will reply to this because I want to end this day on a nice note.
*edit*Nakone deleted this because s/he felt it was too close to flaming. Im replying to it any way. This is an open public discussion and opinons and facts need to get out there for all to see. We cant have people walking away not understanding situations completley now can we.as long as you didn't take offense. :)

then what were you implying? That driving with fatigue does impare you but thats all right?again nope. getting into an accident is inattentive driving. and that does carry a hefty fine and possible jail time. Don't know what Driving under the influence carries tho.

I thought I made one of thoes a few quotes back...hm...did you? apologies then.

and then you go back to driving imparedactually not right away. you are clear headed and alert for a moment, but long enough to safely find a spot for yourself.

you shouldnt have gotten in the fucking car to begin with. Just like a drunk shouldnt have gotten in. Just because they didnt die their first drive home, doesnt mean they wont die going back out.in a perfect world yes. but I think you can admit that the world is far from perfect.


you've never been stoned.
And its become clear that a stoner thinks more clearly than you do when your solber - if youd drive tired.and you say you never get into a car when someone just smoked. which means you encountered people who do get into cars when they smoked, why else would you take that precaution. You also say you don't drive when stoned which means the thought has occured to you and if it occured to you it occures to others as well. Unfortunatly, not everyone has a full grasp of the situation like you do.

Theres dangers of playing out int he sun! WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POINTthere are dangers in everything, yes. so why not minimize your risks.
Going out in the sun? All Doctors recommend Sunblock for ANY length of exposure.
Eating fast food is bad for you? that is why there are so many nutritional books and news broadcast out there.
Driving while Stoned? Talk to any Traffic Cop. they'll tell you it happens.
so your point is "Since there are alot of things bad for you alread there, why prohibit other things that are bad for you?"


Yet your presidents the bigest fucking moron to grace parlament.Parlament? wrong country. But that is your opinion.

GAH! If i havent said this three times then ive said it 4 times: It makes the substance less exotic and people arent as keen to do it all the time. it raises aware ness. no it doesn't while it might take the money out of the Drug lords, it won't stop usage. why? a little something called peer pressure. Alcohol and Tobbacco use the "Cool" factor, so will weed. There are Famous people that already use Weed, by making it legal, they will be the "cool" people that youngsters will want to emulate. make Weed legal and they have nothing to hide. and kids will have no reason not to emulate their idols.

Have you noticed that the states with the less sex education and states that are harder to get the oral contraseptive are also the state with the highest number of teen pregnancies?and cities that have "Hash bars" have higher users of Weed than those who are Medically Registered?

YOU HAVE NO CASE!neither do you. all your point for legalization is "there are other harmful things out there so why bother with this one?"


yet theyre legal, and will stay that wayyep. so why weed?

So lets have some dangerous substances legal, and less dangers substances illigal? thats logical too!

Think clearly here, it makes it less exotic.and more available. have em right at the counters with the cigs. and the ads... and realize how many people now grow their own, so they become the new salesmen.
Look at alcohol. WHo has the bigger alcohol problem? Teens. The people not alowed to drink. Adults already know their limit, know when to drink, and they dont drive around drunk. again only a small percentage of adults fall in this catagory. and what do Most teens do when they get "of age" they drink. most take their first drink at 21.

There are exceptions, but there exceptions to everyting. Just like there are responsible teen drinkers.but you are counting on the Exceptions to carry your case, now if it was the other way around... where it's the exceptions that are causing the harm... then I would agree with you.

Took the words right out of my mouth
wow thats creepy. Hahha. I didnt read ahead, i saw you quoted me so i quoted you back. roflsee I don't totally disagree with you. I am, for instance, having weed as a CONTROLLED substance because I do know it has some medicinal value. but opening it up like Tobbacco and Alcohol is just too dangerous.


No thats not what i think. Educatoin is the key, love. educate people and you dont end up with morons. Like i said, there will be exceptions, but your actually lowering the amount of stupid people by giving them choices and educating them - unbiasedly of course.unfortunatly, unbiased education works only if the teacher is unbiased. and those are impossible to find. Also we have education on Tobbacco and Alcohol in our health classes, yet people still partake of them.
so I say, educate them on Tobacco and Alcohol first, then I'll believe that education will work on weed.

and on that note... Good night and thanks for the Info.

What are you, blind?

Oh yeah, I forgot. You live in your rich, first world country where all you damnable people want to pollute your body as much as possible.

Let's think, shall we? Who would know more about drugs?

An experience NAS officer, who helped combat and reduce the use of Opium in Pakistan, as well as help the Panamanian Police help to combat drug dealers and smugglers?

Or some drug-advocator who just knows that "drugs are fun".

Trust me, when villages have been raised by drug lords for your drugs, I don't find that "fun."

Oh, and by the way, they don't lace the weed to kill, they lace to weed to make the smoker addicted. Read my post.

Since when is Costa Rica a first world country?

That's right, I live right on top on top of you.

1) It doesn't matter who has more experience, dealers aren't going to go around lacing everyone's weed because a) they will lose big time and b) they can get majorly fucked for it.

2) In your first post you said some dealers will do it without caring if it kills people. They obviously wouldn't lace weed to kill people because dead customers = no money.

again nope. getting into an accident is inattentive driving. and that does carry a hefty fine and possible jail time. Don't know what Driving under the influence carries tho.
well that really depends on what state your in, doesnt it.

did you? apologies then.
for? pfft

actually not right away. you are clear headed and alert for a moment, but long enough to safely find a spot for yourself.
you shouldnt have gotten in the car in the first place. What are you talking about? Youve already been driving impared. If you need sirens you wake you up you should not be driving.

in a perfect world yes. but I think you can admit that the world is far from perfect.
wtf?
So you agree that driving impared is bad. you agree that driving tired is driving impared, you agree that you should pull over if your tired, but only if its after a siren has woken you up?
Theres something wrong with you.


and you say you never get into a car when someone just smoked. which means you encountered people who do get into cars when they smoked, why else would you take that precaution. You also say you don't drive when stoned which means the thought has occured to you and if it occured to you it occures to others as well. Unfortunatly, not everyone has a full grasp of the situation like you do.
Your assuming again.
Actually no, the thought never occured to me. The concept of driving while stoned came as a shock when I was talking to my friend who was waiting for her bf to pick her up so she can smoke a bowl on the way home. I was appauld that she'd do that just in fear of the 'second hand smoke'. You can hotbox a car dam well. She was all right with it. Then I thought of me stoned and figured I could never drive and would never drive.

And I had made a mental note the first time I started smoking cigarettes that I would not drive while smoking them, or even a half hour after smoking one.

And I think you've finally accepted that Im in a responsible stoner. Good. Now Im also not the only one out there, but whatever.

there are dangers in everything, yes. so why not minimize your risks.
everything has risk. You sitting infront of the computer has risk, the cellphone has risk, staned next to a smoker has risk. Are you going to lock yourself in a padded room? Actually, that has risk too.


Eating fast food is bad for you? that is why there are so many nutritional books and news broadcast out there.
Thats a whole nother topic...the phramasudical industry not wanting you to actually get healthy cuz then theyre obsolete. Information out there is generally just a wee bit wrong.

Driving while Stoned? Talk to any Traffic Cop. they'll tell you it happens.
Im the first one to admit it happens.

so your point is "Since there are alot of things bad for you alread there, why prohibit other things that are bad for you?"
I have two points actually. Lets see if you can catch them both and not combine them into one horrible reasoning this time:

1) there is no logical reason to have this baned but other things ok.
2) let people make their own decisions. with the right education thigns are better int he long rung


no it doesn't while it might take the money out of the Drug lords, it won't stop usage. why? a little something called peer pressure. Alcohol and Tobbacco use the "Cool" factor, so will weed. There are Famous people that already use Weed, by making it legal, they will be the "cool" people that youngsters will want to emulate. make Weed legal and they have nothing to hide. and kids will have no reason not to emulate their idols.
You are so wrong. Why dont you understand. Oh your so dumb. Im sorry but ive explain this at least 3 times in many ways. Im not even touching appon this. Go to the netherlans and see for yourself.

and cities that have "Hash bars" have higher users of Weed than those who are Medically Registered?
and you think other places have only medically registered people smoking up?

neither do you. all your point for legalization is "there are other harmful things out there so why bother with this one?"
No its not, and the major things like 'it makes the substance less erotic' dont seem to be sinking in so we're at a stand-still.


yep. so why weed?

*slams head on desk*
Because its less harmfull than either of thoes two and it has every right to be and everyone has evey right to smoke it.

and more available. have em right at the counters with the cigs. and the ads... and realize how many people now grow their own, so they become the new salesmen.
In the netherlands you can buy pot in a cafe. Whats your point?

again only a small percentage of adults fall in this catagory. and what do Most teens do when they get "of age" they drink. most take their first drink at 21.
Are you dumb?
Most take their first drink at 15.
And they enjoy it
And its illigal
And they can do it a lot
And they do do it a lot
And they turn 21
And they buy a lot cuz its legal
And they drink a lot
And then they get bored
And by 30 no one gives a fuck

Thats your problem. You honestly think that illigal = doesnt happen.

but you are counting on the Exceptions to carry your case, now if it was the other way around... where it's the exceptions that are causing the harm... then I would agree with you.
No, im agreeing that the exceptions will bring my case down, but they bring yours down too. Educatoin will make smart people, there will always be exceptions (ie dumb people). Keep up.

see I don't totally disagree with you. I am, for instance, having weed as a CONTROLLED substance because I do know it has some medicinal value. but opening it up like Tobbacco and Alcohol is just too dangerous.
Ok then you missed my point completely. Read it agian, I said open all drugs up to any age and educate at an early age - before they even know what the substance is.

Shit woman, get some sleep or something your lagging on here bad.


unfortunatly, unbiased education works only if the teacher is unbiased. and those are impossible to find. Also we have education on Tobbacco and Alcohol in our health classes, yet people still partake of them.
So? Theres education on marijuana in health class, people still partake in them. Notice how instances are going down?

so I say, educate them on Tobacco and Alcohol first, then I'll believe that education will work on weed.

Have you not noticed that teen smoking and drinking has gone down? (esp in Canada).
Case over. Now you have to agree.

and on that note... Good night and thanks for the Info.
please, go to bed. your just dumb when your tired.

Wow, Istenert has just showed me what is wrong with the planet today. "I can't change anything so why bother?" "I don't care as long as I can get high."

That's a fucking stupid perspective. You're giving up your freedom and you might as well be dead if you think that way. Do you know about something called the 5% Solution? There IS enough money for everyone in the world to have a decent, sustainable lifestyle. The problem is, tons of money is concentrated in very few hands. If even a tiny portion of the wealth owned by the millionaires and billionaires of the world were donated to such a cause, it would be simple to achieve.

And do you honestly think things like shoes and clothes cost however much you pay for them? The prices are so jacked up that if the companies paid minimum wage and wanted to still make their insane profits, then clothing would cost in the hundreds or thousands of dollars.

Sorry, but I hate people who just give up. Makes me sick, that's all.

Wow, Istenert has just showed me what is wrong with the planet today. "I can't change anything so why bother?" "I don't care as long as I can get high."

Sorry, but I hate people who just give up. Makes me sick, that's all.

*watches as the word hypocrit falls fromt he sky and slaps Euraustralasamerica in the face*

teehee. Your rant amuses me. I like hour convinced you know everyone inside out. And I like how you avoid everything ive said that contradicts this. And I like how this has nothing to do with marijuana.

Good question. Now lets think here, alcohol is legal. So is tobacco. Alcohol can kill you from alcohol poisoning, it can also cause you to die by doing stupid things while under influence, tobacco can kill you by just smoking, or chewing it. Mari J can only kill you if you die while driving under influence or something like that. You can not die however from just taking too much of it. Unless you are in a small box and choke from the smoke. That is unlikely though. The reason I think is that it leads to worse drugs like Heroin and coke. Also taking too much marijuana makes you stupid. Its pretty bad for your health.

Good question. Now lets think here, alcohol is legal. So is tobacco. Alcohol can kill you from alcohol poisoning, it can also cause you to die by doing stupid things while under influence, tobacco can kill you by just smoking, or chewing it. Mari J can only kill you if you die while driving under influence or something like that. You can not die however from just taking too much of it. Unless you are in a small box and choke from the smoke. That is unlikely though. The reason I think is that it leads to worse drugs like Heroin and coke. Also taking too much marijuana makes you stupid. Its pretty bad for your health.
teehee. the gateway drug theory isnt correct. only 3% of people that try pot move on to different things. and thoes kids are failures before they try the drug to begin with.

But yes, the entire thing is just the most moronic thing. Whoever decided to keep it illigal had the government and the people wraped around their little finger.

"*watches as the word hypocrit falls fromt he sky and slaps Euraustralasamerica in the face*

teehee. Your rant amuses me. I like hour convinced you know everyone inside out. And I like how you avoid everything ive said that contradicts this. And I like how this has nothing to do with marijuana."

Show me where I was hypocritical. What does "I like hour convinced you know everyone inside out." even mean? That's not even coherent. And I'm not sure what I avoided that contradicted what I said. You said, quite clearly, that you believed nobody was going to change anything so why bother trying. As for pot, I explained my thoughts on it earlier in the thread. I don't like it for the same reason that I don't like cigarettes, passive or second-hand smoke. Drinking does not directly affect those around you, but cigarettes and other smoke do. There are already instances of parents smoking around their children, and marijuana wouldn't make the situation any better.

By the way, where is the doughnut capital of the world? I thought I lived there...we have around 75 Tim Horton's (an extremely popular doughnut chain in Canada) in the city.

Oh come on, the effects caffeine isn't the same as causing 25% of people to go insane. Long term brain damage is a very bad thing. Now, I'm sure you'll try to respond with the example of tobacco, so I'll just lay it out now.
1. It would be impossible. Too mainstreamed.
2. It does not have long term mental effects.

Back up your facts. Post a link to an unbiased source. Marijuana is no more dangerous than caffeine. There are absolutely, positively NO LONG TERM AFFECTS of marijuana. The only negative health affect (other than the ones caused by smoking anything) are that it may affect the amount of sperm a human male produces.

Good question. Now lets think here, alcohol is legal. So is tobacco. Alcohol can kill you from alcohol poisoning, it can also cause you to die by doing stupid things while under influence, tobacco can kill you by just smoking, or chewing it. Mari J can only kill you if you die while driving under influence or something like that. You can not die however from just taking too much of it. Unless you are in a small box and choke from the smoke. That is unlikely though. The reason I think is that it leads to worse drugs like Heroin and coke. Also taking too much marijuana makes you stupid. Its pretty bad for your health.

Actually, if you ask a heroin addict, or coke addict what the first drug they ever tried was, 9 times out of 10 it's nicotine from smoking. The other 1 time it's alcohol.

Marijuana is extremely rare to be the first drug ever used by anybody.