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Just thought to ask a controversial question.

Because the hemp industry threatened to put King Cotton out of business ... that's why.

Because tobacco is legal.

politics

any politician sincerely trying to legalize it and regulate it in a rational manner would be tossed out of office.

Because tobacco is legal.
:confused:

One would think cigarette companies and shit would love to have weed legal... just more revenue for them.

Because tobbacco was already an established industry before marijuana came about. Protect tobbacco jobs and go after marijuana instead.

Also another reason film. Early american black and white films portrayed marijuana as a dangerous hallucinogen. Around the same time as tobbacco was becoming popular in films.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.

Because the hemp industry threatened to put King Cotton out of business ... that's why.

I think the oil industry had a lot to do with it. At least that's one of the reasons The Emperors New Clothes said. I also like this author's take on it-http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/books/aint/303b.htm#marijuana

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.
Even if that were true, how does that justify illegalizing it?

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.

Whatever. :rolleyes:

Even if that were true, how does that justify illegalizing it?
It is true. There was a huge hubbub about in the news a few weeks back. It's justified to illegalize it as it is to illegalize any dangerous substance.

It is true. There was a huge hubbub about in the news a few weeks back. It's justified to illegalize it as it is to illegalize any dangerous substance.
Let's illegalize tobacco and alcohol too, then. And anything else that can have a negative effect.
How about caffeine? Caffeine increases stomach acid production and steps up heart rate and respiration. That could be very bad for some people. Should it be illegalized?
How about some artificial sweeteners, which are carcinogenic in some cases?

Actually, looking back at what I just typed, it all depends on how you define "dangerous". How exactly do you define "dangerous"?

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What sort of "psychological disorders" does it supposedly cause, anyway?

It is true. There was a huge hubbub about in the news a few weeks back. It's justified to illegalize it as it is to illegalize any dangerous substance.

Were you watching Fox or the 700 Club? 'Cause the whole claim is insane. If it were true I'd know tons of insane people. I don't think medical science backs this up.

Oh come on, the effects caffeine isn't the same as causing 25% of people to go insane. Long term brain damage is a very bad thing. Now, I'm sure you'll try to respond with the example of tobacco, so I'll just lay it out now.
1. It would be impossible. Too mainstreamed.
2. It does not have long term mental effects.

One would think cigarette companies and shit would love to have weed legal... just more revenue for them.

No, it's not. Tobacco takes huge fields and requires constant supplies of fertilizer. It's really hard to grow unless you have a large agricultural company. That's why people will pay through the nose for it. Well, that and because it's addictive.

You can grow really good weed in a windowbox for nothing, and it's not addictive so people won't pay $8.00 a pack for it.

Oh come on, the effects caffeine isn't the same as causing 25% of people to go insane. Long term brain damage is a very bad thing. Now, I'm sure you'll try to respond with the example of tobacco, so I'll just lay it out now.
1. It would be impossible. Too mainstreamed.
2. It does not have long term mental effects.

Um, you know Reefer Madness wasn't a documentary, right?

Were you watching Fox or the 700 Club? 'Cause the whole claim is insane. If it were true I'd know tons of insane people. I don't think medical science backs this up.
No, I'm serious. It was an actual medical study conducted. It relates to the fact that THC causes brain veins to contract, thus permanently (over time) slowing the blood flow to the brain, and therefore causing long term damage by starving the brain of oxygen.

Oh come on, the effects caffeine isn't the same as causing 25% of people to go insane. Long term brain damage is a very bad thing. Now, I'm sure you'll try to respond with the example of tobacco, so I'll just lay it out now.
1. It would be impossible. Too mainstreamed.
So because something has been done one way for a long time exempts it?
Double-standards...
2. It does not have long term mental effects.
True, instead it has long-term physical effects. Like killing you with lung cancer...

Again, what are the supposed "psychological disorders" that marijuana causes, and why is it that the government should have a say in whether we get to damage our own bodies if we so choose? You never actually provided a reason.

It is true. There was a huge hubbub about in the news a few weeks back. It's justified to illegalize it as it is to illegalize any dangerous substance.

Damn. I guess I gotta clean my oven now before oven cleaner gets banned.

Because the people in charge are complete and total idiots.

Hey, Armandian Cheese, I found a study saying marijuana caused psychological disorders. But it was at the dose of 10-22 marijuana cigarettes per day...
That's the only study I can find as of yet, but I'm still searching.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.
No it can't. I don't know what drug you're talking about but it sure as shit isn't mary jane.

It is true. There was a huge hubbub about in the news a few weeks back. It's justified to illegalize it as it is to illegalize any dangerous substance.
Why's alcohol legal then? It's a hell of a lto easier to overdose on alcohol than to overdose on pot... which is pretty fuckign impossible short of extractign the thc from like 100,000 lbs of pot and injecting it or something.

No, I'm serious. It was an actual medical study conducted. It relates to the fact that THC causes brain veins to contract, thus permanently (over time) slowing the blood flow to the brain, and therefore causing long term damage by starving the brain of oxygen.

There are tons and tons of studies that show marijuana has all sorts of benifits too.

There are cancer patients who would be dead if not for the relief marijuana provided for their chemotherapy. M.S. patients who can walk and hold their children because of marijuana.

Virtually all medical studies not funded by fundies and the DEA show that there is no long term damage from marijuana. Plus virtually all antihistamines, you know, Benadryll, Nyquil, Tylennol cold and sinus, also constrict blood vessels. They're still on the market.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.

No it can't. I don't know what drug you're talking about but it sure as shit isn't mary jane.

I think what he means is that if you smoke it in public one in four people will flip out on your ass.

It is prohibited because the Government doesn't tax it.

Which is why I want the government to start taxing it. They tax it, I get to open up a business growing mass amounts of weed. I grow the weed, package it in little plastic pouches and distribute via supermarkets in the impulse section right there next to cash register.

Open up "specialty" stores selling different strains and brands of marihuana. Stick it in cigars, get Castro to make some Cuban ones. etc...

Marijuana is big business just waiting happen. Come on guys, solve the debt crisis and legalize marijuana!

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind posting a link to ANY information which might support this wild assed claim?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth10.shtml

CLAIM #10:
MARIJUANA-RELATED MEDICAL EMERGENCIES ARE INCREASING

As evidence of its harmful effects, prohibition advocates point to dramatic increases in emergency room episodes related to marijuana ingestion.

THE FACTS

Data gathered by the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) show a recent increase in "marijuana mentions" by people seeking treatment in hospital emergency rooms. Using a one-page form, emergency-room personnel record "drug abuse episodes," note the presence or absence of alcohol as a contributing factor, and list up to four other drugs recently consumed by the patient.

Although DAWN began compiling data in the 1970s, recent changes in recording procedures, the hospital selection, and methods of statistical estimation prevent comparisons of data gathered prior to 1988 with those gathered recently. Thus, discussion of emergency-room trends is limited to the years 1988 to 1993. 67
The lowest number of marijuana-mentions, recorded in 1990, was 15,706 (7.1 mentions per 100,000 population). The highest was 29,166 (12.7 per 100,000 population), recorded in 1993.

Using these figures, an increase of 86% has been reported. However, if 1988 is used as the "base year" instead - a year in which there were 19,962 marijuana mentions - the increase is reduced immediately by more than half, to 42%.
Despite marijuana being the most frequently used illicit drug, in emergency rooms, it remains the least often mentioned illicit drug.
In 1993, marijuana accounted for 6.25% of mentions, compared to 15.3% for cocaine and 9.8% for heroin. Even over-the-counter pain medications were mentioned more often than marijuana - comprising 9% of the total.
For youth aged six to 17, there were more mentions of marijuana than of heroin and cocaine - not because marijuana is more harmful to them but because these latter drugs are used so infrequently by young people. In this age group, mentions of over-the-counter pain medications were substantially higher than those for marijuana. While marijuana accounted for 6.48% of drug mentions by youth, over-the-counter pain medications accounted for 47%.

For the total population, not only is marijuana mentioned less frequently than other recreational drugs, it is seldom mentioned alone. In 1992, in more than 80% of the drug-abuse episodes involving marijuana, at least one other drug was mentioned; and, in more than 40%, two or more additional drugs were mentioned.
Of 24,000 marijuana mentions in 1992, more than 13,000 involved alcohol and nearly 10,000 involved cocaine.
Despite recent increases in marijuana mentions, hospital emergency rooms are not flooded with marijuana users seeking medical attention. In 1992, of 433,493 total drug mentions, only 4,464 - about 1% - involved the use of marijuana alone.

Oh come on, the effects caffeine isn't the same as causing 25% of people to go insane. Long term brain damage is a very bad thing. Now, I'm sure you'll try to respond with the example of tobacco, so I'll just lay it out now.
1. It would be impossible. Too mainstreamed.
2. It does not have long term mental effects.

Yeah, neither does Marijuana...

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth8.shtml

CLAIM #8:
MARIJUANA CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE

Critics state that marijuana has been shown to damage brain cells and that this damage, in turn, causes memory loss, cognitive impairment, and difficulties in learning.

THE FACTS

The original basis of this claim was a report that, upon postmortem examinations, structural changes in several brain regions were found in two rhesus monkeys exposed to THC. 51 Because these changes primarily involved the hippocampus, a cortical brain region known to play an important role in learning and memory, this finding suggested possible negative consequences for human marijuana users.

Additional studies, employing rodents, reported similar brain changes.
However, to achieve these results, massive doses of THC - up to 200 times the psychoactive dose in humans - had to be given . In fact, studies employing 100 times the human dose have failed to reveal any damage. 52

In the most recently published study, rhesus monkeys were exposed through face-mask inhalation to the smoke equivalent of four to five joints per day for one year. When sacrificed seven months later, there was no observed alteration of hippocampal architecture, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. The authors conclude:
"while behavioral and neuroendocrinal effects are observed during marijuana smoke exposure in the monkey, residual neuropathological and neurochemical effects of marijuana exposure were not observed seven months after the year-long marijuana smoke regimen." 53
Thus, 20 years after the first report of brain damage in two marijuana-exposed monkeys, the claim of damage to brain cells has been effectively disproven.
No postmortem examinations of the brains of human marijuana users have ever been conducted. However, numerous studies have explored marijuana effect on brain-related cognitive functions. Many employ an experimental design - in which subjects are given marijuana in a laboratory setting, and then compared to controls on a variety of measures involving attention, learning and memory.

In a number of studies, no significant differences were detected. 54 In fact, there is substantial research demonstrating that that marijuana intoxication does not impair the retrieval of information learned previously. 55 However, there is evidence that marijuana, particularly in high doses, may interfere with users' ability to transfer new information into longterm memory. 56
While there is general agreement that, while under the influence of marijuana, learning is less efficient, 57 there is no evidence that marijuana users - even longterm users - suffer permanent impairment. Indeed, numerous studies comparing chronic marijuana users with non-user controls have found no significant differences in learning, memory recall or other cognitive functions. 58

Hmm. Well, from everything I could find, it appears that marijuana used in normal doses rather than extreme ones doesn't mess you up permanently. It appears that it takes more marijuana to do permanent damage than it would, say, ibuprofen or acetaminophin.

Half the people I know that smoke pot are degreed professionals. This includes attorneys, doctors, nurses, journalists and an electronics engineer with three patents.

Well, why it's currently illegal is related to:
a) The relations between marijuana and the drug barons.
b) Concerns about health risks to the general population.
c) Because I feel like it.

Because the hemp industry threatened to put King Cotton out of business ... that's why.

So the WTO ruling on cotton subsidies could be just what is needed to legalise Mary Jane in the US.

Anecdotal evidence is for all intents and purposes, useless.

99% of the professionals I know(of the same group previously described) don't smoke pot now. Is this conclusive proof? No.

Meanwhile, the laziest and most foul smelling people I know all smoke it.

This proves nothing. It's just silliness.

Actually these people all currently smoke pot, and three of them are over fifty, so they've been smoking for a long time. I'm glad they have it to mellow them out, because they're serious type A personalities. Sure I know people who smoke pot and have never done anything with their lives, but they aren't all like that. And if your going to complain about anecdotal evidence, don't use it.

Let's illegalize tobacco and alcohol too, then. And anything else that can have a negative effect.
How about caffeine? Caffeine increases stomach acid production and steps up heart rate and respiration. That could be very bad for some people. Should it be illegalized?
How about some artificial sweeteners, which are carcinogenic in some cases?

Actually, looking back at what I just typed, it all depends on how you define "dangerous". How exactly do you define "dangerous"?

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What sort of "psychological disorders" does it supposedly cause, anyway?

We should ban fattening foods and sugars, too. Sugar rots your teeth, that's bad for you. And fattening stuff makes you fat and puts you at high risk for high blood pressure/cancer/diabetes/etc.

Actually, we should make public health totally mandatory. Screw giving funding to healthcare, we'll cut back on a ton on how much we spend on doctors if living healthy is mandatory. Let's put everyone on exactly the same diet of healthy foods and drinks and make that standard and make it illegal to disobey those rules. While we're at it, we should ban other things that can cause damange, emotional or physical: smoking, alcohol, caffiene, sex, going outside on a cold day without a jacket, etc.

And if your going to complain about anecdotal evidence, don't use it.
With the "evidence" he was using, he was making the point that anecdotal evidence doesn't matter, not arguing against you.

With the "evidence" he was using, he was making the point that anecdotal evidence doesn't matter, not arguing against you.

:gundge: Quit ruining my fun. :p

Actually these people all currently smoke pot, and three of them are over fifty, so they've been smoking for a long time. I'm glad they have it to mellow them out, because they're serious type A personalities. Sure I know people who smoke pot and have never done anything with their lives, but they aren't all like that. And if your going to complain about anecdotal evidence, don't use it.

*complains about anecdotal evidence*

Actually, this whole anecdotal evidence thing is reeking from both sides of the issue on this subject. More research on this needs to be cited and less "well, my friend uses pot and she's rel smart lol."

*complains about anecdotal evidence*

Actually, this whole anecdotal evidence thing is reeking from both sides of the issue on this subject. More research on this needs to be cited and less "well, my friend uses pot and she's rel smart lol."
No one has actually done a sufficiently broad demographic study on the use of marijuana, so we don't really know.

But, why is marijuana prohibited? Well, all I really feel like saying is that the issue is far more complex than I feel like going into. There's a nice balance of all sorts of stuff going into why, and I'm tired.

Because the hemp industry threatened to put King Cotton out of business ... that's why.


Hemp is a cousin of mary jane they are not the same plant.

I don't agree with the war on drugs, but I think making weed illegal is the stupidest law contrived by man.

Hemp is a cousin of mary jane they are not the same plant.
Cannabis is a leafy plant which grows wild in many of the tropic and temperate areas of the world. It is cultivated both indoors and out for the production of its flowering tops. The most commonly used form of cannabis are the leaves and flowering tops (buds) which may be either smoked or eaten; It also comes in a more concentrated resinous form called hashish, and as a sticky black liquid called hash oil. There are three distinct species of cannabis: Cannabis sativa, Cannabis indica, and Cannabis ruderalis, though there is some argument as to whether these should be considered varieties rather than species. Most recreationally used cannabis is the result of interbreeding between these three types. The term 'hemp' is generally used to describe low-thc varieties of cannabis which are grown for industrial uses.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_basics.shtml

First of its not marihuana (perhapse you were stoned?)
that leads to piont 2 stoned ppl suck they arent productive and The IDC will not tolerate that. Secondly banning fatty foods... caloric intake is nessisary for life some ppl need more than others. Being stoned off your ass is never nessisary. This being said it should probably be legal. I hate myself for that however becaused needy ppl suck ass. And drug use is the symptom of a weak indevidual who cant find more constructive activities. The thought of some long haired sandle wearing 50 year old hippie sickens me...

I like the people on the survey that put that...lmao. A high person is the least dangerous person. I've seen those moronic commercials where kids are driving high. Any drug is dangerous while driving...from certain medicines to alcohol...their arguements against it, are bullshit.

By the way, I don't smoke tobacco or weed.

Freeing the industry would lead to billions in tax revenue and business; instead of filling prisons, overbloating state/federal budgets, and illegal behaviors surround by now current nature.

This being said it should probably be legal. I hate myself for that however becaused needy ppl suck ass.
Where do needy people come in?
And drug use is the symptom of a weak indevidual who cant find more constructive activities.
If doing things that aren't constructive is so bad, then we should get rid of television and computer games while we're at it. Porn too, and all sorts of other stuff.
The thought of some long haired sandle wearing 50 year old hippie sickens me...
Where do hippies come in?

thanks Neo-Anarchists for the repost... the other quote says the samthing I did the drug plant and the hemp plant are seperate varieties (i.e. cousins)

thanks Neo-Anarchists for the repost... the other quote says the samthing I did the drug plant and the hemp plant are seperate varieties (i.e. cousins)
No, if you read it, they are both varieties of cannabis, it is simply that hemp is bred to produce less THC.

The thought of some long haired sandle wearing 50 year old hippie sickens me...

What about a long haired cowboy boot wearing 65 year old hippie? :p

I'm sorry I just happen to think that the drug culture is repulsive and that for a person to need assistance in "relaxing" and finds that assistance in a mind altering substance (and the inhilation of smoke NEVER A GOOD THING) qualifies as needy. You can get by just fine without being a user. you body is not phisicaly dependant but you can become psycologicaly depedant. Becomeing adicted to the inhilation of smoke WILL NEVER BE A GOOD THING.

What about a long haired cowboy boot wearing 65 year old hippie? :p


that too. i think we can safely say any footware and age can by applied here... i guess they could even cut thier hair...

I'm sorry I just happen to think that the drug culture is repulsive and that for a person to need assistance in "relaxing" and finds that assistance in a mind altering substance (and the inhilation of smoke NEVER A GOOD THING) qualifies as needy. You can get by just fine without being a user. you body is not phisicaly dependant but you can become psycologicaly depedant. Becomeing adicted to the inhilation of smoke WILL NEVER BE A GOOD THING.
The thing is that you're tarring all drug users with the same brush. I am quite certain that there are many people who use drugs simply for fun and ar not psychologically addicted to them.

No, if you read it, they are both varieties of cannabis, it is simply that hemp is bred to produce less THC.


did you see the word varietites in bolth my qoute and your statement?

did you see the word varietites in bolth my qoute and your statement?
:confused:
I do not understand what you are asking.

The thing is that you're tarring all drug users with the same brush. I am quite certain that there are many people who use drugs simply for fun and ar not psychologically addicted to them.

To seek out something fun over and over IS a psychological addiction.

:confused:
I do not understand what you are asking.


My point is we were saying the same thing "different varieties".

To seek out something fun over and over IS a psychologically addiction.
Ah, that's where we differ then. I feel that one can do something pleasurable repeatedly without being addicted to it.

My point is we were saying the same thing "different varieties".
Oh! I understand now!
I thought you meant an entire different species of plant that was similar.
Okay, that all makes a whole lot more sense now.

Doesn't addiction imply dependence or problems withdrawing? I did a lot of drugs recreationally when I was younger but never had a problem quitting. The only things I became addicted to was nicotine and caffeine.

I will say I think it should be leagal simply on the grounds of the old prohibition expirement failure and the crime the the black market fosters. And at its heart it's not the governmanets place to tell you what to do or not do to yourself no matter how daft it my be. I also believe there is no place for alcahol usage but eh the only ppl that support me on that one are overly religious folk who would claim me as blasphemous for claiming that the details of the story dont matter just the puch-line... So I will remain correct and opposed to 99.95% of the worlds views.

Alot of people seem to be jumping on the "Marijuana is not addictive" or "Marijuana is not harmful" bandwagon. What I wonder is, is this ignorance, or denial?

Everyone who has been in the marijuana subculture knows that the class of people reffered to as potheads arent all there mentally. They all know that marijuana causes brain damage because they can see the obvious effects on the people they know. They also know its addictive because they know people who said they were quitting 10+ times and still smoke. Ive been part of that subculture, so I understand the ignorance that comes with youth. But I wonder what excuse the older people who continue to be in that subculture have? It can no longer be chalked up to youth and lack of experience. Once they have lived in that environment for long enough to see the effects first hand, what keeps them in denial?

I'm for bad for health. Well, I regard it the same as smoking.

Because of USA's cotton farmers and the end of alcohol prohibition..

Alot of people seem to be jumping on the "Marijuana is not addictive" or "Marijuana is not harmful" bandwagon. What I wonder is, is this ignorance, or denial?

Everyone who has been in the marijuana subculture knows that the class of people reffered to as potheads arent all there mentally. They all know that marijuana causes brain damage because they can see the obvious effects on the people they know. They also know its addictive because they know people who said they were quitting 10+ times and still smoke. Ive been part of that subculture, so I understand the ignorance that comes with youth. But I wonder what excuse the older people who continue to be in that subculture have? It can no longer be chalked up to youth and lack of experience. Once they have lived in that environment for long enough to see the effects first hand, what keeps them in denial?

Perhaps you should stop feeding your own ignorance on the matter?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth.shtml

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance...for it...attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes."

Perhaps you might show me where YOU garner ANY Right to Legislate Morals from the Constitution?

Regards,
Gaar

[QUOTE=Neo-Anarchists]The thing is that you're tarring all drug users with the same brush. I am quite certain that there are many people who use drugs simply for fun and ar not psychologically addicted to them.

To seek out something fun over and over IS a psychological addiction.

Neo-Anarchists has it right. Addiction isn't necessarily represented by all users of any type of drug. Have you ever had a beer? What about 5 beers? If you've had five beers, you're an alcoholic. Have you ever had a cigarette? What about a pack of cigarettes? If you've ever smoked a pack of cigarettes (regardless of how long it took you), you're a chain smoker. A lot of people consider their drug use a problem, and that they should probably quit. However, there are people like me who don't consider "occasional" and "weekend" use an addiction. It might be an addiction if you think about it all the time, but your garden variety person isn't going to be thinking every instant about their next drink, or their next cigarette, or their next joint. They'll be thinking about their next lay.

To say that all users are wasting away everything good about themselves is both degrading and immoral. Who are you to judge?

Everyone who has been in the marijuana subculture knows that the class of people reffered to as potheads arent all there mentally. They all know that marijuana causes brain damage because they can see the obvious effects on the people they know.

Question of what is Cause and what is Effect. Are they mentally not there because they smoke pot, or did they start smoking pot because they were mentally not there ? And is truly everyone that smokes pot a pothead ?To draw a parallel: many homeless people are addicted to alcohol. A lot of them however started drinking after they got homeless to forget their sorrows and feel warm. At the same time the richest people of the country are probably also sipping their wine. Saying "alcohol is bad because all alcoholics I see are homeless bums" is therefor a logical fallacy - even though some of them probably are homeless due to their addiction.

Once they have lived in that environment for long enough to see the effects first hand, what keeps them in denial?

I live in a country where softdrugs are legalized. I do not observe these problems. I do observe that most people I know that smoke weed are well educated and intelligent. Of course, I do not know everyone - but you were asking what motivates indivduals.
Aside: I do not smoke since I dislike the smell. Of both tabacco and weed.

Question of what is Cause and what is Effect. Are they mentally not there because they smoke pot, or did they start smoking pot because they were mentally not there ? And is truly everyone that smokes pot a pothead ?

Of course not everyone who smokes is a pothead. But I was only talking about potheads. People who smoke it occasionally dont suffer the consequences any more than a person who smokes a cigarette once in a while. You wouldnt expect a person who smokes a cigarette once in a while to exhibit the blackened lungs that a smoker does. Neither should you expect an occasional marijuana smoker to exhibit the brain damage that a pothead exhibits. The question of cause and effect is answered quite easily when you have grown up with these people and seen the transformation.



I live in a country where softdrugs are legalized. I do not observe these problems. I do observe that most people I know that smoke weed are well educated and intelligent. Of course, I do not know everyone - but you were asking what motivates indivduals.
Aside: I do not smoke since I dislike the smell. Of both tabacco and weed.

If you do not smoke then my post does not apply to you. I was reffering to people who have experienced the marijuana sub culture first hand. If you do not smoke, then that is not you.

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Perhaps you might show me where YOU garner ANY Right to Legislate Morals from the Constitution?
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Who said I want to legislate anything? Actually, I support legalization of marijuana, but that doesnt mean I have to believe all the NORML propaganda. They spread as many lies as all the other propaganda groups. I am for legalization but Im not going to pretend that marijuana is harmless. I am for legalization because it should be your choice whether you want to kill your brain cells, blacken your lungs, and increase your risk of mental problems and cancer. You are an idiot if you choose to do so, but being an idiot should not be illegal.

The question of cause and effect is answered quite easily when you have grown up with these people and seen the transformation.
Adide: note that I am not claiming you are wrong by saying pot makes people crazy, just that your argument to support that claim seemed flawed.

However, I say 'seemed', because if you have actually seen people that were "good" before starting to smoke and "bad" afterwards, without there happening anything else that could have had a negative influence on them there is indeed no fallacy that I can see in your reasoning. So to make it absolutely clear: you have seen exactly that ?

If you do not smoke then my post does not apply to you. I was reffering to people who have experienced the marijuana sub culture first hand. If you do not smoke, then that is not you.
So growing up amongst marijuana users/tabacco smokers without actually participating myself does not count ? If I had not disliked the smell I probably would have smoked pot since I have seen no negative effects. Not tabacco though, cause I did observe negative effects that make the short moment of "pleasure" obtained from a cigarette seem irrelevant there.

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So to make it absolutely clear: you have seen exactly that ?


Yes. As Im sure have (or will) most people who have been (or are) in that subculture.


So growing up amongst marijuana users/tabacco smokers without actually participating myself does not count ? If I had not disliked the smell I probably would have smoked pot since I have seen no negative effects. Not tabacco though, cause I did observe negative effects that make the short moment of "pleasure" obtained from a cigarette seem irrelevant there.

You admitted to not knowing any potheads, so no it does not count. I was not reffering to people who smoke in moderation, I was reffering to potheads.

I remember reading that, when growing of hemp first started, the cotten farmers saw it as competition and pulled strings left right and centre to get it banned. I don't think they'd even considered smoking it by then, that came a short while later.

I do not smoke since I dislike the smell. Of both tabacco and weed.I disbelieve you. Weed is possibly the sweetest smell ever. Or is that just because i know what the smell means? :D

I quit smoking over a year ago. When i used to smoke there was me and this guy called Alex (the were others too, but right now let's focus on us two). Alex would roll a joint like so: Rizla king-skin, roach, BIG FAT BALL OF TABACCO, cannabis, roll, twist n smoke. I wold roll like so: Rizla king-skin, roach, tiny strand of tabacco (just enough to actually hold the joint together), a shitload of cannabis, roll, twist n smoke.

My joints were a lot more popular with the crowd, because very few of us liked tabacco. These "potheads" hated smoking tabacco and avoided it whenever possible. And they're fine. But Alex, who was one of the ones that also smoked cigerettes, was/is a complete mess.

Because the hemp industry threatened to put King Cotton out of business ... that's why.
that and the evil Harry Anslinger (think it was 'Harry' anyway)

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.
That's simply not true. Trust me, we studied this at uni. Marijuana, like other psycoactive drugs CAN precipitate psychosis, although this only occurs in individuals who are already predisposed to these disorders. They would have developed them anyway, they just do earlier.

And this does not happen in very many people at all.

That's simply not true. Trust me, we studied this at uni. Marijuana, like other psycoactive drugs CAN precipitate psychosis, although this only occurs in individuals who are already predisposed to these disorders. They would have developed them anyway, they just do earlier.

And this does not happen in very many people at all.
ok what about causing depression - can marijuana cause it? i smoke, and some people i know say it definatley is a cause. i am also depressed, though i am pretty sure i started smoking weed to help with the depression, not the other way around.

ok what about causing depression - can marijuana cause it? i smoke, and some people i know say it definatley is a cause. i am also depressed, though i am pretty sure i started smoking weed to help with the depression, not the other way around.
Not sure on this. Hmmm... *runs off to check the literature* I can't say I've ever heard of that happening, but I don't know almost everything so... :p

*checks*

Apparently there may be a link between heavy cannabis use and depression, manly in young women. But it may be protective for strokes. Wow, you learn something new every day. Although just because more depressed young women happen to smoke doesn't mean much. They could be smoking to cope. And I mean, we're talking young people, who are the most likely groups to try drugs AND be depressed. So yeah, the answer is "maybe." :p

Not sure on this. Hmmm... *runs off to check the literature* I can't say I've ever heard of that happening, but I don't know almost everything so... :p

*checks*

Apparently there may be a link between heavy cannabis use and depression, manly in young women. But it may be protective for strokes. Wow, you learn something new every day. Although just because more depressed young women happen to smoke doesn't mean much. They could be smoking to cope. And I mean, we're talking young people, who are the most likely groups to try drugs AND be depressed. So yeah, the answer is "maybe." :p
"maybe"... great :rolleyes: :p

"maybe"... great
Maybe try not smoking for a few weeks and see how you feel? It would need to be for a few weeks because that's how long it takes for the neurotransmitters/receptors in your brain to change.

Yeah, sorry for the uselessness. :p

It is prohibited because the Government doesn't tax it.

Which is why I want the government to start taxing it. They tax it, I get to open up a business growing mass amounts of weed. I grow the weed, package it in little plastic pouches and distribute via supermarkets in the impulse section right there next to cash register.

Open up "specialty" stores selling different strains and brands of marihuana. Stick it in cigars, get Castro to make some Cuban ones. etc...

Marijuana is big business just waiting happen. Come on guys, solve the debt crisis and legalize marijuana!


That seems like one of the options in the issues. :eek:

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/53/61380.htm

According to that article it can lead to schizophrenia and depression. Here is a short excerpt.

Nov. 21, 2002 -- Three newly published studies link frequent marijuana use at a young age to an increased risk of depression and schizophrenia later in life. The studies offer some of the best evidence yet that smoking marijuana can influence the progression of mental illness.

Just as an aside, the active ingredient in marijuana is THC. It acts at the THC receptor. And we have a chemical in our bodies that acts at the same receptor, which would produce similar effects to marijuana. It's called Anandamide. Should we ban that too? :D

I see random blood tests!

According to that article it can lead to schizophrenia and depression. Here is a short excerpt.
I've addressed this already. It doesn't LEAD to schizophrenia, it can facilitate the onset in susceptible individuals. There are a whole lot of things, including anatomical abnormalities, that contribute to the onset of schizophrenia. As for depression, I think the jury is still out.

Maybe try not smoking for a few weeks and see how you feel? It would need to be for a few weeks because that's how long it takes for the neurotransmitters/receptors in your brain to change.

Yeah, sorry for the uselessness. :p
lol np :)

yeah i have tried not smoking (went without for about 3 months last summer) but the depression stays (it actually got worse at times), so i'm gonna keep toking. sadly i'm not getting (as) high anymore (smoking the same amount of the same quality stuff as i used to) which really really sucks :( :(

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I've addressed this already. It doesn't LEAD to schizophrenia, it can facilitate the onset in susceptible individuals. There are a whole lot of things, including anatomical abnormalities, that contribute to the onset of schizophrenia. As for depression, I think the jury is still out.

The article states it increases your chances of acquiring schizophrenia in addition to facilitating the onset. You didnt read it did you?

The article states it increases your chances of acquiring schizophrenia in addition to facilitating the onset. You didnt read it did you?
No, but I did my major assignment last year on schizophrenia, and marijuana was barely mentioned. I also did a case study on schizophrenia. I found that the link to marijuana was tenuous, much weaker than to other hallucinogens.

In science, if you run enough trials, soon enough you'll get a positive.

The reasons why it is prohibited...

1. It causes cancer.

2. It inhibits the user up to 24 hours after it is inhaled, meaning that motor skills most notably are affected even 24 hours after inhalation.

3. It causes impotence. (though I doubt the government cares about that aspect in relation to individuals)

4. It damages sperm.

5. Short term memory impairment.

...

There are others reason but those are the 5 most significant in my view

Sources of information:

1. British Medical Journal, Jan 12, 2002 v324 i7329 p105(4). Title: Cannabis control: costs outweigh the benefits.(Education and Debate)
2. *
3. *
4. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3186686.stm
5. Pediatrics, Feb 2002 v109 i2 p284(6). TITLE: Marijuana: a decade and a half later, still a crude drug with underappreciated toxicity


Additional Sources:
A. The Lancet, Nov 14, 1998 p1611(6). Title: Adverse effects of cannabis.(includes list of resources on the health aspects of marijuana)(Seminar)
B. Rodale's Scuba Diving, August 2002 v11 i7 p22(2). Title: Diving under the influence: why recreational drugs and recreational scuba don't mix. (Dive Medicine).
C. The Western Journal of Medicine, May 1990 v152 n5 p525(6). Title: Pulmonary complications of smoked substance abuse.
D. British Medical Journal, May 3, 2003 v326 i7396 p942(2). Comparing cannabis with tobacco: smoking cannabis, like smoking tobacco, can be a major public health hazard. (Editorials).


*=Information on these topics does exist, just not sure off hand which source you will find it in though New England Journal of Medicine is probably your best and most respected source.

1. It causes cancer. true, but you smoke less of it, gram for gram, than tobacco. smoking 20 (or 40 or whatever) cigarettes a day is going to be more cancerous (spelling?) than smoking a few joints a day

2. It inhibits the user up to 24 hours after it is inhaled, meaning that motor skills most notably are affected even 24 hours after inhalation.
bull. shit.

3. It causes impotence. (though I doubt the government cares about that aspect in relation to individuals)

4. It damages sperm.

5. Short term memory impairment.
yeah ok

Tobacco smoking causes impotence too (along with all the other health problems it causes...). So why isn't that illegal?

No, but I did my major assignment last year on schizophrenia -snip-Best presentation i ever saw on schizophrenia went something like this:

Here is what schizophrenia is, it's a mental condition. Here's what schizophrenia isn't. Schizophrenia is not a type of pasta. Schizophrenia is not a woodland flower. Schizophrenia is not a London nightclub. etc.

Well. okay he probably didn't actually say it in the end, but he was threatening to, minutes before it was due in. :p

Just thought to ask a controversial question.

William Ranolf Hearst slandered Marijuana in the 20's furiously after the Mexican's didn't give him back 800,000 square miles of land during that spanish american war thing. He never let up until the day he died. He won over the religious and god-fearing and that's all he needed to do. In 1927 California was the first to criminalize it. (Or was that 1917... It was right in there...)

We are fighting a dead mans war against mexicans. Stupid us.

In regards to your response to #1 -Actually it has been proven to be more cancer causing than tobacco. Read the source information for yourself.




In regards to your response to #2 -*groan* IF you want add me to your dossier. I know that research exists, I just need to find it, it has been a few years since I researched this topic. Add me to your dossier and when I find it I will pass you the source info as I know that that information is true.

I don't agree with the war on drugs, but I think making weed illegal is the stupidest law contrived by man.

Citizen Kane is a movie about him, watch it. In fact, I don't doubt Orson Welles would do a story on the biggest example of fat cat's pissin on the little guy there ever was. The guy who got rid of weed justa few years before? I hoped he died alone and unhappy. ;P :gundge:

lol np :)

yeah i have tried not smoking (went without for about 3 months last summer) but the depression stays (it actually got worse at times), so i'm gonna keep toking. sadly i'm not getting (as) high anymore (smoking the same amount of the same quality stuff as i used to) which really really sucks :( :(

that's cause your brains happiness receptors start to wear away from having too much go to it when you do a drug.

PopularFreedom, are you as vehemently opposed to tobacco (which causes a huge number of deaths in terms of cancer, emphysema and other airway disease) and alcohol as you are to marijuana? Both these drugs cost society far more than marijuana.


that's cause your brains happiness receptors start to wear away from having too much go to it when you do a drug.
Um.. er... yeah. I could launch into a spiel about dopamine here, but it's irrelevant as marijuana doesn't act in that area of the brain, in the way that chemically addictive drugs do.

Wow. 18 retards think it's dangerous and addictive. I'm so changing my mind now.

People like them spoil the fun for everyone.

Wow. 18 retards think it's dangerous and addictive. I'm so changing my mind now.

People like them spoil the fun for everyone.

The retard here is the person who thinks the poll is asking your opinion on marijuana. It isn't, its asking why you think it is illegal, not if you agree with that reasoning or not.

Marijuana is illegal because the fact cats in Washington wanted to make it look like they are tough on drugs. So thus they ban marijuana and proescute anyone they catch using it to ridiculous extents of the law and many of the more foolish people of America sit around bowing and praising them for keeping "evil drugs" off the street, then go in the back and down a few beers or light up a cig. Hyppocrites

-snip- praising them for keeping "evil drugs" off the street, then go in the back and down a few beers or light up a cig. Hyppocrites
Ever heard the song "Spawn" by Sliverchair? Used in the soundtrack to the film "Spawn", based on the comic book "Spawn".

Drink up, drink up. look down on junkies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4305783.stm


Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, researchers say.
The New Zealand scientists said their study suggested this was probably due to chemical changes in the brain which resulted from smoking the drug.

The study, published in the journal Addiction, followed over 1,000 people born in 1977 for 25 years

But of course, you can come up with a brilliant rebuttal such as:

Whatever. :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4305783.stm


Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, researchers say.
The New Zealand scientists said their study suggested this was probably due to chemical changes in the brain which resulted from smoking the drug.

The study, published in the journal Addiction, followed over 1,000 people born in 1977 for 25 years

But of course, you can come up with a brilliant rebuttal such as:
Were they studying people SOLELY on marijuana and controlled they had nothing else?

Were you watching Fox or the 700 Club? 'Cause the whole claim is insane. If it were true I'd know tons of insane people. I don't think medical science backs this up.

It does, and I know a few insane people myself. I wouldn't want my kids to run the risk. :(

Were they studying people SOLELY on marijuana and controlled they had nothing else?

Well it seems very much like they took all other factors in account (and if it's a serious study as it looks, they certainly have):

The researchers also took into account factors such as family history, current mental disorders, and illicit substance abuse.

(...)

Writing in Addiction, he added: "Even when all factors were taken into account, there was a clear increase in rates of psychotic symptoms after the start of regular use.

ok what about causing depression - can marijuana cause it? i smoke, and some people i know say it definatley is a cause. i am also depressed, though i am pretty sure i started smoking weed to help with the depression, not the other way around.

Yes, I have seen this in myself and others. It seems to affect people differently, but depression seems to be a very common result from smoking pot. It might very well feel like it gives you a break from the depression, but in the long run it doesn't help, just makes you worse and inhibits natural processes in your mind, that could eventually have brought you out of the depression.

Well it seems very much like they took all other factors in account (and if it's a serious study as it looks, they certainly have):

The researchers also took into account factors such as family history, current mental disorders, and illicit substance abuse.

(...)

Writing in Addiction, he added: "Even when all factors were taken into account, there was a clear increase in rates of psychotic symptoms after the start of regular use.
I'd like to see those numbers and how they based them solely on marijuana, as opposed to acid or something

Because of stupid racism, at least in the US. Economics also played a significant part. http://www.cannabis.com/faqs/hemp2.shtml

Much the same happened with other drug prohibitions, such as opiates and cocaine.

Those who are citing health risks are, note the dates on the studies you are posting. Then note the time frame in which cannabis (as well as opiates and coca products) were prohibited. The time frame for the prohibition is well before the dates of the studies. Thus health cannot have been the reason for cannabis prohibition.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.


Well, maybe, but it's really nice for all of those poor cancer patients in pain.....I think that at least the cancer patients should be allowed to have some.... ;p

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4305783.stm


Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, researchers say.
The New Zealand scientists said their study suggested this was probably due to chemical changes in the brain which resulted from smoking the drug.

The study, published in the journal Addiction, followed over 1,000 people born in 1977 for 25 years



Not. The. Government's. Business.

My body, my liberties, my life - even if it was fatal - I can go buy a bottle of rat poison right now and drink the lot of it and die without breaking any laws. Medical harms are totally IRRELEVANT.

All this stuff manifestly fails to pass the 'do I give a sh*t?' test.

Not. The. Government's. Business.

My body, my liberties, my life - even if it was fatal - I can go buy a bottle of rat poison right now and drink the lot of it and die without breaking any laws. Medical harms are totally IRRELEVANT.

All this stuff manifestly fails to pass the 'do I give a sh*t?' test.

Suicide is illegal. And should be. The government doesn't have a say in the health of its citizens? Just what exactly DOES the government have a say in?

Just thought to ask a controversial question.

cigarettes are legal, even though they are more unhealthy for you than marijuana. but the government can tax cigarettes, because people can' t make them on their own. it's possible to grow your own marijuana, but if you do have a weed stash in your backyard, the government can't tax you for it, cuz you're not buying it.

Hemp is a cousin of mary jane they are not the same plant.
completely wrong. the notion of cousin means nothing to a biologist.

The weird name of marijuana was a slang world carried out of Mexico by the prohibitionnists in the 30's, to put people to believe that it was 2 diferent plants. Apparently, 70 more years later they've succeeded, even in france. In France the medias use the word cannabis, not marijuana, and many people would tell u Hemp and cannabis are 2 different plants. According to the biological classification of species, worldwidely admitted :
English common name : Hemp (french Chanvre)
Familly: Cannabinacées, ( the only 2 plants of this family are hemp and hop (humulus Lupulus) used for flavoring beer). Funny fact: they only use the female buds of hop, just like for hemp, so all beer drinkers get high with the one and only plant that belongs to hemp's family
Gender : Cannabis
Species : only three : Sativa, Indica or Ruderalis. The three species contain THC. Sativa is nowadays the only specie used for the fiber with may be some ruderalis producer, but the three species are used to smoke, although ruderalis, coming from cold Hungria is not as potent as the two others.
varieties or cultivar : hundreds of them, usually inter-specie hybrid created by man's hand, especially by dutch, american and canadian gardeners. Some were develloped to maximize thc potent or find new flavors ("Orange Bud", "Jack Herer", etc are cultivars), some develloped to maximize the fiber contained in the main stem of the plant and lower thc rate and to be used by the textile industry
I agree 100% with the 1st response to this post : Hemp was forbade because the cotton culture was far more profitable for the big business (petrol, chemicals, synthetic textils,cotton these industries are linked for they need one another) than a plant like hemp, who don't need so much fertilizer as cotton (look howmuch fertilizers are used only for cotton in the us, it's astonishing)
Add to that the wood industry : One acre of hemp produce as much paper as thre acres of trees, and add that a tree takes 25 years to grow, but every year you can harvest hemp. And the paper produced is far more reliable (the chinese invented paper with hemp and the 1st draft of the us constitution is written on hemp paper, as was the Gutenberg Bible).
Hemp to smoke was forbidden in order to marginalize fiber hemp production, and not becaus it was so teribly harmfull that it should be illegall.
Many aware and positive posts on this forum though! Yep brothers, remember mister Marley said " we know we shall win, as we're confident in the victory of good over evil" .Keep the faith and the fight, United we'll Stand.
Peace out!
Oh and another thing : the legal drugs : Alcool, tobacco and pills are the traditionnal and socially admitted drugs of rich and dominants countries.The illegal drugs : Hemp, Coca, and poppy are plants traditionnaly used by peoples of the poor and exploited countries...

Legalize it :) :) :)

I smoke it every day

Suicide is illegal. And should be.

???? :eek: holy shit! Suicide illegal??? You mean in the USA? Seriously?

(I'd be curious to know what the punishment is, by the way? because, if you actually committed suicide, you're dead so one can't do much to you. So - death penalty?)

???? :eek: holy shit! Suicide illegal??? You mean in the USA? Seriously?

(I'd be curious to know what the punishment is, by the way? because, if you actually committed suicide, you're dead so one can't do much to you. So - death penalty?)

:eek: It's not illegal in your country? Scary!

As for punishment, I think it's usually court-ordered counselling, stuff like that.

:eek: It's not illegal in your country? Scary!

As for punishment, I think it's usually court-ordered counselling, stuff like that.

Of coursee killing oneself isn't illegal in my country, I would find it intolerable ... Helping someone to die is illegal, however, which I don't approve of, but I guess assisted suicide is legal under strict conditions (like a terminal stade of a lethal disease) in other european countries.

???? :eek: holy shit! Suicide illegal??? You mean in the USA? Seriously?

(I'd be curious to know what the punishment is, by the way? because, if you actually committed suicide, you're dead so one can't do much to you. So - death penalty?)
Punishment for suicide? Life in jail :rolleyes: Probably

I think Marijuana is bad for society. The more we prevent use, the better off we are. I've seen what it does to people. They abuse it and cause problems for themselves and everyone around them. Maybe not all people are like this but it's enough for me. Why legalize another drug that is dangerous to users and people around them? Tobacco does nothing but bad but it is too common to make illegal. Alcohol also creates problem when certain people use it unresponsibly. Again, it is too common to make illegal and I don't have many problems with Alcohol because most people can drink without causing a problem.

There is so much misinformation out there, and political spin forged by the "war" on drugs that it's obvious here on NS.

Marijuana is one of the safest drugs known to mankind.
Coffee has killed people. Of course alcohol and tobacco have killed people.

There's never been one death in all of history directly related to marijuana.

Please, pot detractors, keep from sounding like fingershaking whackjobs, and do us all a favor:
Read the most comprehenbsive, no BS book ever written on the subject, Understanding Marijuana by Mitch Earlywine, Professor of Clinical Science at USC. He does a great job at providing an unbiased seperation of science and opinion.

HIghly recommended for fascists and stoners alike. Just educate yourselves before you post something ignorant, please.

The banning of marajuana is anti-capitalist.

The government realised that a genuinely free market would hurt their corporate lobbyists (alcohol, tobacco, cotton companies), so they instituted draconian protectionism.

I think Marijuana is bad for society. The more we prevent use, the better off we are. I've seen what it does to people. They abuse it and cause problems for themselves and everyone around them. Maybe not all people are like this but it's enough for me. Why legalize another drug that is dangerous to users and people around them? Tobacco does nothing but bad but it is too common to make illegal. Alcohol also creates problem when certain people use it unresponsibly. Again, it is too common to make illegal and I don't have many problems with Alcohol because most people can drink without causing a problem.
You think that marajuana is not common? I don't think I've been to a party where no-one had any since I was 16. Hell, even when I go to pubs someone is usually smoking some outside.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.

And just where did you get these numbers? What is your source? You are making this up, aren't you?

???? :eek: holy shit! Suicide illegal??? You mean in the USA? Seriously?

(I'd be curious to know what the punishment is, by the way? because, if you actually committed suicide, you're dead so one can't do much to you. So - death penalty?)


Simple. The punishment for committing suicide is that you are brought back to life and sent to France.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4305783.stm


Smoking cannabis virtually doubles the risk of developing mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, researchers say.
The New Zealand scientists said their study suggested this was probably due to chemical changes in the brain which resulted from smoking the drug.

The study, published in the journal Addiction, followed over 1,000 people born in 1977 for 25 years

But of course, you can come up with a brilliant rebuttal such as:
Umm... pot only triggers schizophrenia in people who would have already had it anyways. It causes the condition to surface, it does not casue the condition itself.

You think that marajuana is not common? I don't think I've been to a party where no-one had any since I was 16. Hell, even when I go to pubs someone is usually smoking some outside.
Yeah. In high school, I know that at least 50% of the males had smoked it a few times, and many of them smoked semi-regularly at parties. And last time I checked, most of them are doing fine.

Yes, I have seen this in myself and others. It seems to affect people differently, but depression seems to be a very common result from smoking pot. It might very well feel like it gives you a break from the depression, but in the long run it doesn't help, just makes you worse and inhibits natural processes in your mind, that could eventually have brought you out of the depression.
Withdrawl can cause mild depression if I'm not mistaken, however withdrawl symptoms for marijuana use tend to last a couple of weeks. If you're already depressed and smoking pot to help you feel better, then it won't help and when you stop smoking, you're still going to be depressed unless you've fixed the underlying cause of the depression.

Marijuana is one of the safest drugs known to mankind.
Coffee has killed people. Of course alcohol and tobacco have killed people.

There's never been one death in all of history directly related to marijuana.


I appreciate your reference. Were you also aware that there has never been a single death directly related to handguns, as well? No, really, it's true. I was reading in this book, "Stop the Madness" by Dr. Timothy Leary at Harvard University, and he said that no one has ever been killed by a handgun. He sites a lot of professional studies in which handguns were placed really really close to people and nothing. No one died. He does a pretty good job of separating cause and effect. Turns out that bullets are really the culprit.

I appreciate your reference. Were you also aware that there has never been a single death directly related to handguns, as well? No, really, it's true. I was reading in this book, "Stop the Madness" by Dr. Timothy Leary at Harvard University, and he said that no one has ever been killed by a handgun. He sites a lot of professional studies in which handguns were placed really really close to people and nothing. No one died. He does a pretty good job of separating cause and effect. Turns out that bullets are really the culprit.
Not one person in history ever had their skull bashed in with a handgun and died? I don't think so. Even if marijuana directly killed 10 people a year it would still be far safer than alcohol. (Based on how many people die)

I appreciate your reference. Were you also aware that there has never been a single death directly related to handguns, as well? No, really, it's true. I was reading in this book, "Stop the Madness" by Dr. Timothy Leary at Harvard University, and he said that no one has ever been killed by a handgun. He sites a lot of professional studies in which handguns were placed really really close to people and nothing. No one died. He does a pretty good job of separating cause and effect. Turns out that bullets are really the culprit.
I'll make sure to pack my bowl with only pot, and refrain from sparking up any artillery from now on.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Umm... pot only triggers schizophrenia in people who would have already had it anyways. It causes the condition to surface, it does not casue the condition itself.
Marry me! :p
I've been saying this over and over...

And to he person who thinks suicide should be illegal? WTF? Ok, someone attempting suicide is obviously mntally unwell, thus excluding them from criminal charges. They should be helped, not punished.

And having a daddy-state is bad. I mean, doctors are being taught to drop the paternalism, so should the state.

Three words: cotton industry lobbyists.

Genesis 1:12 "I have given you all of the seed bearing plants and animals to use."
I'm just obeying a mandate from God.
Seriously, there seems to be a lot of misinformed people out there. Just answer me this: If marijuana is so harmful and deadly, why isn't Jamaica a "ghost town"? Shouldn't mortality rates/birth defects be through the roof? Something for you to think about while I light up (again)!

The thing is that you're tarring all drug users with the same brush. I am quite certain that there are many people who use drugs simply for fun and ar not psychologically addicted to them.

To seek out something fun over and over IS a psychological addiction.

You mean like masturbating? :eek:

Don't be foolish.

Marijuana is prohibited because the government is making a fortune on it. The learned a very valuable lesson during prohibition on the lengths at which people will go to get fucked up. Take it away, see what happens, give it back, see what happens... take notes.

Next time people find something simple to pleasure themselves (apart from masterbation... can't put cameras in the johns) then the government can step in and levy extreme taxes (in the form of criminal fines and jail fees, etc.) to make money hand over fist. This way, organized crime stays occupied and everyone gets filthy stinking rich, except for you poor dumb pot smoking bastards... you get to get high until you become a nuisence... then it's off to jail where you become a money making cog on the other side of the machine. Wake up you bunch of fucking pawns!

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One thing I really hate about this forum is that some threads that I'm interested in responding too get way too big way too fast and I can't read everything in it to determine whether or not what I'm about to say has already been covered. Apologies if someone has touched on this before, but I'm going to do it again in case they didn't.

The actual reason for marijuana prohibition ["illegalization" is not a word] is because the DuPont corporation had patented a machine for harvesting $CROP [either cotton or tobacco] and at some time during this process, hemp had surpassed this crop as the number one cash crop in the states. Several years ago Dead Kennedys frontman Jello Biafra petitioned our government through the Freedom of Information Act todig up the transcripts from the congressional hearing wherein it was first decided marijuana should be outlawed.

It took them a while to find it; both Jello and the congressional records monkey were confused for a few days until at last the problem was solved: the folder was so thin that it had slid out of the back of the filing cabinet and onto the floor behind it. The folder contained less than one page of testimony from one man--from the DuPont corporation.

So essentially we have launched a massive campaign to crack down on the "evils" of marijuana based on one guy bitching about it for about thirty minutes back in the 30's somewhere. If there is one thing that the American government will never do under any circumstances, it's admitting their mistakes.

One thing I really hate about this forum is that some threads that I'm interested in responding too get way too big way too fast and I can't read everything in it to determine whether or not what I'm about to say has already been covered. Apologies if someone has touched on this before, but I'm going to do it again in case they didn't.

The actual reason for marijuana prohibition ["illegalization" is not a word] is because the DuPont corporation had patented a machine for harvesting $CROP [either cotton or tobacco] and at some time during this process, hemp had surpassed this crop as the number one cash crop in the states. Several years ago Dead Kennedys frontman Jello Biafra petitioned our government through the Freedom of Information Act todig up the transcripts from the congressional hearing wherein it was first decided marijuana should be outlawed.

It took them a while to find it; both Jello and the congressional records monkey were confused for a few days until at last the problem was solved: the folder was so thin that it had slid out of the back of the filing cabinet and onto the floor behind it. The folder contained less than one page of testimony from one man--from the DuPont corporation.

So essentially we have launched a massive campaign to crack down on the "evils" of marijuana based on one guy bitching about it for about thirty minutes back in the 30's somewhere. If there is one thing that the American government will never do under any circumstances, it's admitting their mistakes.


That's interesting. I never heard any of that before. (Except for the part about the government never admitting making mistakes, that is pretty much a given.) Do you have anything to support this assertion? I would really like to see it.

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There's never been one death in all of history directly related to marijuana.



Actually there was one death directly related to marijuana, My friend died in a car accident, they attributed his loosing control of the vehicle solely because he was high. It was the only thing found in his system, that could of impaired his reaction time taking that corner. So according to my local sheriffs department, one death has been caused because someone smoked to much and got behind the wheel. I am sure there are other statistics that can be related, if you do some searching.

On the question why it is illegal in the US

1) Alcohol companies lobby to keep it illegal, why you ask? Well when you smoke pot you drink very little alcohol. Meaning if people were able to get it legally at a local shop. They wouldn't need to drink alcohol to get the same mind numbing feeling.

2) Tobacco Companies lobby to keep it illegal, why you ask? Because when you smoke a joint you do not want to smoke a cig either. Therefore it will harm their sales if people are able to go and buy a much better product

3) Textile industy lobbies to keep it illegal, why? Because hemp is more versatile and cheaper to grow than most other textiles.

4) The government can not tax it 100%, it can be grown anywhere and in any conditions. Therefore it will make it a nightmare for the government to try and collect taxes on everything grown.

I think pot is bad because no matter what people say Pot is a gate way drug, Everyone I know started out smoking a join or two a day. Then later on decided ahh what the hell lets try some acid, or coke. It puts you into that type of crowd and therefore you are exposed to more and harder drugs. I know I was. I was also robbed to many times to count because my druggy friends wanted or needed some money for their habit. I am doing much better, even managaed to meet my wife and have a family, since I stopped the drugs. Definetly made my life much better once I stopped.

Dude, you have the wrong friends then. I smoke regularly with all my buddies and they would never rob me.

Let's set aside all the legal, health, and social issues of Marijuana and focus on something else.

If someone is sent to JAIL for posessing Marijuana, is that right? I can't believe that people are actually jailed for CHOOSING to use pot. The punishment for the "crime" is so outrageous. How is jail supposed to "help" marijuana users?

The government, and everyone else living on this Earth, should let people make their own decisions about their OWN lives. Especially in regards to something as personal as marijuana. These moral and social convictions are fine, and i'm glad people still have them. But let people decide for THEMSELVES.

You can grow really good weed in a windowbox for nothing, and it's not addictive so people won't pay $8.00 a pack for it.

Where are you getting 20 plus joints for less than 8$????

Yeah. In high school, I know that at least 50% of the males had smoked it a few times, and many of them smoked semi-regularly at parties. And last time I checked, most of them are doing fine.

and then there are countries where it isnt a criminal offense, here everyone does daily regardless of sex and we do jsut fine

I appreciate your reference. Were you also aware that there has never been a single death directly related to handguns, as well? No, really, it's true. I was reading in this book, "Stop the Madness" by Dr. Timothy Leary at Harvard University, and he said that no one has ever been killed by a handgun. He sites a lot of professional studies in which handguns were placed really really close to people and nothing. No one died. He does a pretty good job of separating cause and effect. Turns out that bullets are really the culprit.

Bullets do not come out of herbs.

Bullets do not come out of herbs.

Wouldn't it be so cool if they did?

:p

Easy, pot is illegal because america was founded by puritans. For example, we have one of the highest ages for the drinking age. Because we were founded by puritans most americans have that puritan logic of this "We can't legalize marijuana, Heh, Perish the thought. Cause if we legalized marijuana...people would smoke it"
If marijuana was legalized it could be seen through the slipper sloap reasoning of what would come next. Weed for the most part is harmless. While, ecstacy, cocaine, herion and shrooms can do a lot of damage.

It's illegal because parents remember their youth with sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, and are terrified their childen will do the same. With a powerful block of voters being neurotic parents, this translates to political suicide for anyone who suggests it should be legal.

It does, however, have some rather unpleasent connections with various mental illnesses, though it is vastly less dangerous than tobacco.

Actually there was one death directly related to marijuana, My friend died in a car accident, they attributed his loosing control of the vehicle solely because he was high. It was the only thing found in his system, that could of impaired his reaction time taking that corner. So according to my local sheriffs department, one death has been caused because someone smoked to much and got behind the wheel. I am sure there are other statistics that can be related, if you do some searching..

So car crashes dont jsut happen because people are bad drivers? sorry about the freind.

On the question why it is illegal in the US

1) Alcohol companies lobby to keep it illegal, why you ask? Well when you smoke pot you drink very little alcohol. Meaning if people were able to get it legally at a local shop. They wouldn't need to drink alcohol to get the same mind numbing feeling. .
the feelings of alcohol and pot are toatally different. pot supresses your gag reflex-you can drink moire when you are hi. it also muchises you, sop you want to eat or drink anything you can get your hands on

2) Tobacco Companies lobby to keep it illegal, why you ask? Because when you smoke a joint you do not want to smoke a cig either. Therefore it will harm their sales if people are able to go and buy a much better product.
Tobacco and nicatine inhance the effects of pot, anyone who smokes alot knows this and they start cigaretting. this causes them to get addicted to highly addictive tobacco and then they smoke cigs all the time


I think pot is bad because no matter what people say Pot is a gate way drug, Everyone I know started out smoking a join or two a day. Then later on decided ahh what the hell lets try some acid, or coke. It puts you into that type of crowd and therefore you are exposed to more and harder drugs. I know I was. I was also robbed to many times to count because my druggy friends wanted or needed some money

Having sleevy freinds and acting irresponsibly will have negative consequences not matter what you are doing. the drugs jsut exposed your groups fundamental problems, much like it exposes ppls schitzophrenia. Sounds like more of a truth telling plant than a terrible killing plant

HAHA, dangerous and addictive. Physically, it is in no way addictive, however, psychologically it could be addictive. Dangerous? if you're dangerous when high, then you're dangerous sober. im sure most people saying it's dangerous and addictiv have never smoked before, therefore they just listen to the tube.

Ok, here's my half-assed reason that everyone will jump all over. First off, I don't smoke or do drugs. I can't stand the smell of cigarette or marijuana smoke. I do drink however, but I hate cigarettes and marijuana because of the smoke. When you're drinking, it's not like it's directly affecting the people around you - sure, your behaviour may change, but it's not like they're getting drunk just becuase you're drinking. But when you're smoking, it's getting into the lungs of everyone else in the room. If they legalized pot, it would be even worse. I mean, people already smoke cigarettes in their homes in many places, and it's not great for their kids. I doubt marijuana would make things any better.

So car crashes dont jsut happen because people are bad drivers? sorry about the freind.


the feelings of alcohol and pot are toatally different. pot supresses your gag reflex-you can drink moire when you are hi. it also muchises you, sop you want to eat or drink anything you can get your hands on


Tobacco and nicatine inhance the effects of pot, anyone who smokes alot knows this and they start cigaretting. this causes them to get addicted to highly addictive tobacco and then they smoke cigs all the time




Having sleevy freinds and acting irresponsibly will have negative consequences not matter what you are doing. the drugs jsut exposed your groups fundamental problems, much like it exposes ppls schitzophrenia. Sounds like more of a truth telling plant than a terrible killing plant

it does not 'expose' schizophrenia, it induces it in suseptible people. without pot those people may never get schizophrenia

it does not 'expose' schizophrenia, it induces it in suseptible people. without pot those people may never get schizophrenia

So? Driving a car risks getting you killed, but no one seems to want to ban that. Eating brings the risk of choking and obesity.

So? Driving a car risks getting you killed, but no one seems to want to ban that. Eating brings the risk of choking and obesity.

I was merely correcting a statement that could be misconstrued

As with everything in life, the prohibitionists are aimed the wrong way. Drug use isn't a problem at all, in any country, at any location on the globe. Drug abuse is, and that's something which stems from the motivations of the users. Those looking to fuck themselves up in new ways, or using drugs as a form of escapism, will always find a way to destroy themselves. However, those seeking to use the same drugs, but in a responsible manner, are relatively safe. The health risksare still there, but those aren't a risk to society - merely a personal risk, to be weighed up with the advantages of drug use (trust me, there are advantages - anybody who says you can experience the same levels of thought while sober has obviously never tried drugs.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/53/61380.htm

According to that article it can lead to schizophrenia and depression. Here is a short excerpt.

Nov. 21, 2002 -- Three newly published studies link frequent marijuana use at a young age to an increased risk of depression and schizophrenia later in life. The studies offer some of the best evidence yet that smoking marijuana can influence the progression of mental illness.

Here's another, from that same article.

"We cannot be certain that the increased risk we saw is due to cannabis use, but it is the most likely explanation," psychiatrist and lead researcher Stanley Zammit tells WebMD. "It is important to point out that the risk is still quite small. If your lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia is 1% then frequent use of cannabis would increase that risk to 3%."

Just thought to ask a controversial question.
Because people suck. :cool:

I'd be willing to bet that if marijuana were legalized, drunk driving incidents would fall drastically.

i was under the impression that it is illeagal because that newspaper tycoon guy from citizen kane (cant remember real name) thought that hemp paper or something would cut into his profits so he went crusading.

apparently he got away with murdering some hollywood producer as well.

nice guy.

Just thought to ask a controversial question.

because "marihuana" doesn't exist
marijuana isn't legal because of the "stepping stone" theory. people beleive that pot is a gateway drug into use of harder drugs, such as cocaine or MDMA. while there are those who use marijuana and then progress to harder drugs, there are far more who only use pot and never continue on to harder drugs. which is why this theory is not completely flawless.

HAHA, dangerous and addictive. Physically, it is in no way addictive, however, psychologically it could be addictive. Dangerous? if you're dangerous when high, then you're dangerous sober. im sure most people saying it's dangerous and addictiv have never smoked before, therefore they just listen to the tube.
TCH is addictive...however...you are correct about the havoc that people supposedly wreak when high....they'd be still likely to do so when sober.....ever heard of the movie "Reefer Madness"? yeah-nuff said...that movie is complete propaganda

TCH is addictive
If I remember correctly, two US government studies have ranked THC as less addictive than even caffeine.
It IS addictive, but rather weakly so.

*runs off to try and figure out where she remembers that from*

EDIT:
Bah, it was in a library book I read. I'll go look at it next time I'm there and post the info here, because it was interesting.

If I remember correctly, two US government studies have ranked THC as less addictive than even caffeine.
It IS addictive, but rather weakly so.

*runs off to try and figure out where she remembers that from*

Indeed...I beleive that you are right-just saying there is an addictive component...but then it begs the question, why, if caffeine is more addictive than TCH, is pot illegal and soda/coffee/chocolate etc. legal? hmmmm

It's THC, not TCH.

And the reason it's illegal in the US has to do with racism and conservative propaganda.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.
Link.

It is true. There was a huge hubbub about in the news a few weeks back. It's justified to illegalize it as it is to illegalize any dangerous substance.
Ok well thank you for telling me that. Now its clear that it is bullshit. Another fake new thing fed to all media.

FUCK I HATE YOUR GOD DAM MEDIA FEEDING YOU BLLSHIT!!!!!

No, I'm serious. It was an actual medical study conducted. It relates to the fact that THC causes brain veins to contract, thus permanently (over time) slowing the blood flow to the brain, and therefore causing long term damage by starving the brain of oxygen.
thats a load of crap.
How ignorant do you have to be to believe this?!

Hey, Armandian Cheese, I found a study saying marijuana caused psychological disorders. But it was at the dose of 10-22 marijuana cigarettes per day...
That's the only study I can find as of yet, but I'm still searching.
rofl.
I slipt a joint with a friend of mine last night and I was baked for hours. Youd have to be some sick smoker to go past 10 joints a day. And joints are smaller than cigarettes, that would need to be a fucking blunt.
Now smoke that many cigarettes a day and lets see what its like in comparison. Or drink that much alcohol (one join = one shot of 40% vodka). Lets see what becomes of you then.

Fucking morons.

There was a pruposal to examin the positive effects of Marijuana. It was striken down. Then it was worded differently so it sounds like its searching for negative effects. That was passed.

fucking US government.

Why's alcohol legal then? It's a hell of a lto easier to overdose on alcohol than to overdose on pot... which is pretty fuckign impossible short of extractign the thc from like 100,000 lbs of pot and injecting it or something.
I threw up twice yesteday, but Im pretty sure it was laced with K.

There was a conspiracy by the logging industry to eliminate hemp and replace all hemp products with lumber ones. They succeded

Half the people I know that smoke pot are degreed professionals. This includes attorneys, doctors, nurses, journalists and an electronics engineer with three patents.

1) marijuana is NOT a gate way drug. Very few people that try marijuana try anything else

2) peopel who go into harder drugs are faiulures before they do it.

3) university/collage students that do marijuana do just as good - if not better - in school.

because "marihuana" doesn't exist
marijuana isn't legal because of the "stepping stone" theory. people beleive that pot is a gateway drug into use of harder drugs, such as cocaine or MDMA. while there are those who use marijuana and then progress to harder drugs, there are far more who only use pot and never continue on to harder drugs. which is why this theory is not completely flawless.
Its like saying "driving a car leads to car crashes".

Well yes of course it does, but that doesnt mean you'll get into a car crash.

10-22 joints a day? Holy hell, I only wish I could smoke that much.

10-22 bowls in a day, now that's something doable. :D

What do you folks reckon the chances are of getting Ketamine legalised?

10-22 joints a day? Holy hell, I only wish I could smoke that much.

10-22 bowls in a day, now that's something doable. :D
*grin*
come visite me we'll smoke a few bowles.

and theyre cigarette joints, not just 1-papes.

What do you folks reckon the chances are of getting Ketamine legalised?
rofl. depends on what you use it for.

Let's illegalize tobacco and alcohol too, then. And anything else that can have a negative effect.
How about caffeine? Caffeine increases stomach acid production and steps up heart rate and respiration. That could be very bad for some people. Should it be illegalized?
How about some artificial sweeteners, which are carcinogenic in some cases?

Agreed.

What do you folks reckon the chances are of getting Ketamine legalised?
Well, you're in luck if you happen to be an animal, because ketamine is marketed as an animal anaesthetic.

Oh, what's that you say? You're human? Well, out of luck I guess.
:D

*grin*
come visite me we'll smoke a few bowles.

and theyre cigarette joints, not just 1-papes.

I'd definitely be up for that.

See people, this is just another example of how weed brings people together. And they say marijuana is bad.

Well, my own personal experience has been that smoking the occasional joint is pretty harmless. On the other hand, the people I've known who smoked more regularly (at least daily) really did seem to get noticeably stupider to me, and I entirely believe that the marijuana was causing them brain damage. Maybe the damage isn't enough to stop them from functioning in society, but it can come close to that.

I think that people on both sides of the argument are taking extreme views. Those who are anti-marijuana want to believe that any marijuana at all is bad, and the pro-marijuana people want to believe that it's harmless. Both groups are obviously wrong.

I personally think marijuana should be legal. After all, alchohol can give you brain damage too if you drink enough, and there are plenty of people who do, but both alchohol and Marijuana, if used moderately, have no serious consequences. But, I also think that anyone who smokes pot regularly is being really stupid, and as a society we should discourage that.

Hey, Armandian Cheese, I found a study saying marijuana caused psychological disorders. But it was at the dose of 10-22 marijuana cigarettes per day...
That's the only study I can find as of yet, but I'm still searching.
I don't think I know any potheads that hardcore.

Well, my own personal experience has been that smoking the occasional joint is pretty harmless. On the other hand, the people I've known who smoked more regularly (at least daily) really did seem to get noticeably stupider to me, and I entirely believe that the marijuana was causing them brain damage. Maybe the damage isn't enough to stop them from functioning in society, but it can come close to that.


Did you ever consider that they might be stoned when theyre not functioning properly? Or they really enjoy their high and like to act stoned to fool themselves of this?

:( There are some pathetic stoners out there....

rofl. depends on what you use it for.

To explore my own psyche. I wonder what you'd have to do to get yourself reclassified as an animal....

To explore my own psyche. I wonder what you'd have to do to get yourself reclassified as an animal....
The Great Ape project'll help you with that.

Well, my own personal experience has been that smoking the occasional joint is pretty harmless. On the other hand, the people I've known who smoked more regularly (at least daily) really did seem to get noticeably stupider to me, and I entirely believe that the marijuana was causing them brain damage. Maybe the damage isn't enough to stop them from functioning in society, but it can come close to that.

I think that people on both sides of the argument are taking extreme views. Those who are anti-marijuana want to believe that any marijuana at all is bad, and the pro-marijuana people want to believe that it's harmless. Both groups are obviously wrong.

I personally think marijuana should be legal. After all, alchohol can give you brain damage too if you drink enough, and there are plenty of people who do, but both alchohol and Marijuana, if used moderately, have no serious consequences. But, I also think that anyone who smokes pot regularly is being really stupid, and as a society we should discourage that.

I disagree with the weed smokers being more stupid. (HAH! A stoner got that and you didn't!) My friends who smoke are super smart and have the highest marks in the whole grade.

I am pro-marijuana and I have never said that it is harmless, but I do think that its effects are exaggerated terribly.

I consider myself a regular smoker, I light up at least once a week and I'm fine, I've got pretty good grades and I'm not dysfunctional or anything like that. I recently stopped toking every day though, I feel pretty good about that. Two straight months of smoking isn't that cool.

It is illegal because it clouds your judgement and awareness. Which is why I think it should be legal in the privacy of your own home, just not in public places.

We cannot be certain that the increased risk we saw is due to cannabis use, It is important to point out that the risk is still quite small. If your lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia is 1% then frequent use of cannabis would increase that risk to 3%.

your own link.

AUSTRALIANS USED AS LAB RATS??? that is intolerable.

Why is weed prohibited? because proabition works

Why is weed prohibited? because proabition works
rofl
clearly.

Why is weed prohibited? because proabition works

Sarcasm I presume? If so, I laugh with you...if not, I laugh at you.

The Great Ape project'll help you with that.

0_o I read that as grape.

Sarcasm I presume? If so, I laugh with you...if not, I laugh at you.

It was sarcasum, relax

0_o I read that as grape.
The grapes will help you too! Dont underestimate the intelect of tiny round juicy sweet objects that burst into flavor in your mouth.

*dances*

It is illegal because it clouds your judgement and awareness. Which is why I think it should be legal in the privacy of your own home, just not in public places.

I concur. It's the same with alcohol - no drinking in the streets. I presume you'd extend 'privacy of your own home' to lisenced hash bars?

I concur. It's the same with alcohol - no drinking in the streets. I presume you'd extend 'privacy of your own home' to lisenced hash bars?Interesting concept... but how do you prevent a 'Stoned' person from getting behind the wheel of a car?

Or worse, if they're at home and they have guns...?

How do you prevent second hand smoke from affecting your family members or anyone walking past when the doors are opened?

Smoking Cigs is still a proven Health hazzard, how can you justify Marijauna Leagality?

You still have underage smoking... are you willing to switch them to Pot? How would you prevent Minors from getting weed? Would you prevent them from Getting weed?

Would you like Stoned Emergency Personnel to answer your emergency...
(now days, Drinking on the job is illegal but it still happens. how are you going to insure Smoking on the job will not occur?)

I think anyone making an argument for Marijauna is on dope.

Interesting concept... but how do you prevent a 'Stoned' person from getting behind the wheel of a car?

Or worse, if they're at home and they have guns...?

How do you prevent second hand smoke from affecting your family members or anyone walking past when the doors are opened?

Smoking Cigs is still a proven Health hazzard, how can you justify Marijauna Leagality?

You still have underage smoking... are you willing to switch them to Pot? How would you prevent Minors from getting weed? Would you prevent them from Getting weed?

Would you like Stoned Emergency Personnel to answer your emergency...
(now days, Drinking on the job is illegal but it still happens. how are you going to insure Smoking on the job will not occur?)


I'd deal with them in the same way tobacco and alcohol are. If Emergency Personnel are doing anything mind-altering on the job, they should be fired and fined at the least.

I think anyone making an argument for Marijauna is on dope.

Thanks for your enlightening commentary on the subject :rolleyes:

Interesting concept... but how do you prevent a 'Stoned' person from getting behind the wheel of a car?

Or worse, if they're at home and they have guns...?


You still have underage smoking... are you willing to switch them to Pot? How would you prevent Minors from getting weed? Would you prevent them from Getting weed?



how do you prevent a drunk person getting behind the wheel of a car, or messing around with guns in their home? how do you prevent minors from getting tobacco or alcohol?

same sort of deal for weed

How do you prevent second hand smoke from affecting your family members or anyone walking past when the doors are opened?

Smoking Cigs is still a proven Health hazzard, how can you justify Marijauna Leagality?
obviously you can't prevent second hand smoke. its a choice that people have to make when they have kids - i know a number of big-time pot smokers who decided to give up when their kids were born; others only smoke in the evening. it seems to be the done thing. people change & mature/accept new responsibilities when they have kids - this goes for many areas of their lives, and so it does for pot too. but ultimatley its a personal choice. as for non-kid family members, again its a personal choice they'll have to make between themselves.

marijuana legalisation can be justified precisely because tobacco and alcohol are legal. the fact that these dangerous drugs are legal sets a precedent - a level - at which drugs are 'ok', and weed is arguably no more harmful than either of those two commonly available drugs. if you think otherwise then thats your opinion, don't go shoving it down my throat. conversely there are plenty of people who (frankly, wrongly) still believe, or choose to believe, that marijuana has no negative health disbenefits at all.

Its like saying "driving a car leads to car crashes".

Well yes of course it does, but that doesnt mean you'll get into a car crash.

Precisely...it is a flawed argument
I hate that marijuana is on Schedule 1 here (in the US) so we can't even do research on it.

Thanks for your enlightening commentary on the subject :rolleyes:

You're quite welcome. Usually people on this forum aren't as polite as you. If I had to guess, I'd say you weren't hooked on dope. Or Heroin for that matter. Just my impression.

EDIT: MAYDE A GRAMMATIKLE ARROR.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.


Totally agree with your statement speaking from experience. Mentall instability can lead to addiction, dependance. Over consumption can lead psychological disorders.

I'd deal with them in the same way tobacco and alcohol are. If Emergency Personnel are doing anything mind-altering on the job, they should be fired and fined at the least.of course, but scant comfort to the poor soul who gets that stoned person. There can be Random Mandatory Drug Testing by all personnel. but that won't catch all of them. And smoking Tobacco on the job is not a Firing offense unless they a) tamper with smoke detectors, b) cause Harm to others (smoking outside of designated areas is not a firing offense unless done repeatedly. this covers starting of fires or the setting off of previously mentioned detectors.) and can you determine the difference between Pot and Tobacco? (realize that should they be legal, they would end up looking like normal Tobbacco Cigs unless you force them to be different looking.)

Interesting concept... but how do you prevent a 'Stoned' person from getting behind the wheel of a car?
same way you do for alcohol. Besides, many people say theyre more allert while stoned. I personally wont get into a car with someone who's smoking a cigarette but thats because im very strict on the emparment thing.

Or worse, if they're at home and they have guns...?
Wow, pot makes you fall asleep, not shoot people. You clearly have never touched the stuff to have any idea what your talking about.

How do you prevent second hand smoke from affecting your family members or anyone walking past when the doors are opened?

The most they get is second-hand munchies. And its not like it affects their health. But if your really that paranoid, send em outside.

Smoking Cigs is still a proven Health hazzard, how can you justify Marijauna Leagality?

because its proven not to be a health hazzard

You still have underage smoking... are you willing to switch them to Pot? How would you prevent Minors from getting weed? Would you prevent them from Getting weed?

Thats the one bad thing with the Liberals in Canada looking to legalize marijuana. It would be +19 and at +19 people have already finished experimenting with pot and know what its like. You need to legalize it for 15 year olds when they actually start.

You have no point, Im under 19, i cant buy cigarettes, yet I smoke. No one is supposed to have pot yet so many people smoke. 3% of teenagers smoke on a daily basis.

If anything, legalizing it will delete the 'exoticness' of pot and less peopel will be smoking. Yes, there will be an innitial spurt, but then it will die down

Would you like Stoned Emergency Personnel to answer your emergency...

Wow you have no idea what pot is do you. The most that can happen on pot is you throw up and then your fine. Ive thrown up yesterday and that was the first time ever. I dont know anyone else who has. And im convinced it was laced with something any way.

(now days, Drinking on the job is illegal but it still happens. how are you going to insure Smoking on the job will not occur?)
the same way you ensure drinking. morality, send them home, fire them, whatever. People still go to work stoned.

Ok you honestly have no case. You clearly have no idea what your talking about, as if your deciding if an alien product should be brought to earth, we have no idea what wil happen. Buddy, we do know what will happen, we do know how it will happen, we do know what is happening, and you've missed all of that.

You're quite welcome. Usually people on this forum aren't as polite as you. If I had to guess, I'd say you weren't hooked on dope. Or Heroin for that matter. Just my impression.

EDIT: MAYDE A GRAMMATIKLE ARROR.
your clumping pot and heroin into the same category? You dont have a right to speak your opinion on the subject, im sorry. Its like asking an athiest to be pope, you cant do it. just leave. or listen and educate yourself. whatever opinion you have on the subject is so scewd its worth nothing.

Totally agree with your statement speaking from experience. Mentall instability can lead to addiction, dependance. Over consumption can lead psychological disorders.
I like how the one post you have is this one. Stop making new accoutns to agree with yourself when you've already been proven wrong. 25% of the peopel who do pot are mentaly disabled. Maybe you missed the fact that 25% of americans are considered mentally disabled in some way to begin with, since things like caffeein addiction and add are on the list of menal disabilities. You have no case - ever. shut up and go away.

of course, but scant comfort to the poor soul who gets that stoned person. There can be Random Mandatory Drug Testing by all personnel. but that won't catch all of them.


You have no idea what your talking about. Have you ever even SEEN weed?

your clumping pot and heroin into the same category? You dont have a right to speak your opinion on the subject, im sorry. Its like asking an athiest to be pope, you cant do it. just leave. or listen and educate yourself. whatever opinion you have on the subject is so scewd its worth nothing.

The category I was clumping them into was drugs, actually, that impair your judgement. I thank you for informing me of my rights. Judging from your spelling and grammar, I would have to say English is not your first language(not an insult by the way). You're from Amsterdam I take it?

The category I was clumping them into was drugs, actually, that impair your judgement. I thank you for informing me of my rights. Judging from your spelling and grammar, I would have to say English is not your first language(not an insult by the way). You're from Amsterdam I take it?
No, english isnt my first language, and i have no wish to expand my knowldedge and conform to your idiocy. English is the most idiotic language out there, that is internationally accepted.

Next, I like it how every time In in an arugment with someone over the internet they have to bring up my spelling and grammar - as if them pointing out i cant conform to the worst language somehow proves thier unrelated statement correctly and thus i must be wrong. Id say you're very religious because the use arguments like that all the time - but you may not be.

And yes, your right to shut up. I suggest you use it because your being dumb. You cant clump weed in with heroin unless you clump tylonol in with it to.

how do you prevent a drunk person getting behind the wheel of a car, or messing around with guns in their home? how do you prevent minors from getting tobacco or alcohol?

same sort of deal for weedReally? is Weed detectable on a person's Breath?
And because you really cannot prevent Drunk Driving, why add more to the problem of people doing stupid and dangerous things while under the influence.
obviously you can't prevent second hand smoke. its a choice that people have to make when they have kids - i know a number of big-time pot smokers who decided to give up when their kids were born; others only smoke in the evening. it seems to be the done thing. people change & mature/accept new responsibilities when they have kids - this goes for many areas of their lives, and so it does for pot too. but ultimatley its a personal choice. as for non-kid family members, again its a personal choice they'll have to make between themselves.But once you are addicted to it, quitting is Hard, not impossible (my Father gave up Smoking Years after I was born, I saw what he went through and while it does explain alot of things that drove us apart, I am proud of what he did.... Wish I knew so that I could've been more supportive tho.) and not everyone (unfortunatly) takes that responsibility seriously enough.

marijuana legalisation can be justified precisely because tobacco and alcohol are legal. the fact that these dangerous drugs are legal sets a precedent - a level - at which drugs are 'ok', and weed is arguably no more harmful than either of those two commonly available drugs. if you think otherwise then thats your opinion, don't go shoving it down my throat. conversely there are plenty of people who (frankly, wrongly) still believe, or choose to believe, that marijuana has no negative health disbenefits at all.While Alcohol and Tobacco are regulated in Public areas, the dangers they pose cannot outweigh any benifits they have. Both were Legal before the Hazzards were reconized and when they were it was too late to do anything about them. Prohibition failed because Alcohol use was too widespread. Tobacco could not be banned for the same reason. Marijuana however, was studied and thus the dangers found and banned before its use became wide spread. same with Cocaine and other drugs.

Now can you name me all of Majiuana's health benifits?
I know it can dull the pain of certain Cancers (not a cure but to relieve the pain of cancer so some can argue if it is a Health Benifits, I'll give it that.) but what else?

As for shoving my opinion down your throat, the title of this thread is WHY IS MARIJUANA PROHIBITIED, so that is my answer... now please be sure to follow your own suggestion.

No, english isnt my first language, and i have no wish to expand my knowldedge and conform to your idiocy. English is the most idiotic language out there, that is internationally accepted.

Next, I like it how every time In in an arugment with someone over the internet they have to bring up my spelling and grammar - as if them pointing out i cant conform to the worst language somehow proves thier unrelated statement correctly and thus i must be wrong. Id say you're very religious because the use arguments like that all the time - but you may not be.

And yes, your right to shut up. I suggest you use it because your being dumb. You cant clump weed in with heroin unless you clump tylonol in with it to.

Actually, weed and heroin are both mind-altering substances... they are related.

One has the right to shut up, the other has the right to never have spoken >.> I think you're now generalizing your response based on past experiences... which implies a lack of security and confidence in both your argument and personality. You should calm down.

Actually, weed and heroin are both mind-altering substances... they are related.

no theyre not. what does 'mind altering' substance even mean? If you want to put them in categories then weed is a depressant and heroin is a halucinagenic. get your facts strait.

One has the right to shut up, the other has the right to never have spoken >.> I think you're now generalizing your response based on past experiences... which implies a lack of security and confidence in both your argument and personality. You should calm down.
lack of security? what? No, im trying to convey my idea to thers by proving it in other ways their mind might comprehend.

And dont tell me to calm down. This is an issue i take seriously, and will take seriously as long as theire are arrogant misinformed peopel spewing off unimformed ideas.

Now can you name me all of Majiuana's health benifits?
I know it can dull the pain of certain Cancers (not a cure but to relieve the pain of cancer so some can argue if it is a Health Benifits, I'll give it that.) but what else?
It can stimulate appetite in chemotherapy patients and combat AIDS wasting syndrome. It can relieve intraocular pressure in glaucoma sufferers. It is being invvestigated for possible use as an anticonvulsant or something.
I forgot about the other use I heard.

You have no idea what your talking about. Have you ever even SEEN weed?Yep... and been around alot of people who smoked regularly... Left that group after we spent months sitting around doing nuthing while they smoked and litterally spent the days 'away'...

It can stimulate appetite in chemotherapy patients and combat AIDS wasting syndrome. It can relieve intraocular pressure in glaucoma sufferers. It is being invvestigated for possible use as an anticonvulsant or something.
I forgot about the other use I heard.
not sure if its medical or not, but i know a bunch of people smoke it to 'combat depression'.

Yep... and been around alot of people who smoked regularly... Left that group after we spent months sitting around doing nuthing while they smoked and litterally spent the days 'away'...
i find that hard to believe since you have no idea what your talking about. Your not even getting the fats right, let alone the relative lingo.

no theyre not. what does 'mind altering' substance even mean? If you want to put them in categories then weed is a depressant and heroin is a halucinagenic. get your facts strait.

It means that, much like sedatives, they alter one's state of mind in a way to interfre with normal processing of information in the brain. Alcohol, for example, is a mind-altering substance. Weed, in being a depressant, and Heroin, by causing halucinations, BOTH affect the normal processing of information within the brain, thus a mind-altering substance. Those are facts.

lack of security? what? No, im trying to convey my idea to thers by proving it in other ways their mind might comprehend.

And dont tell me to calm down. This is an issue i take seriously, and will take seriously as long as theire are arrogant misinformed peopel spewing off unimformed ideas.

Telling people that they have the right to shut up because THEY are explaining something that is FACT in a way -you- might understand does not convey yours. You are more misinformed by believing that two substances which both have a related affect cannot be categorized similarly. The Pope and an Athiest are two opposites. A Pope and a Jew are also different, yet they both have a common relationship: religious faith. Weed and Heroin are two different drugs, yes, but the type of effect they cause are comparable.

Or worse, if they're at home and they have guns...?


HAHAHA! That made me laugh really hard.

You can't stop a stoned person from getting behind a car, but hopefully they have the sense not to drive while high.

Who cares if they have guns?? They also have knives, lighters, rope, etc. Weed doesn't make you violent or want to kill people, it chills you out.

Second hand smoke? Don't smoke around family members, obviously. Me and my mom toke up together once in a while but we never do it around my brother cause that would just be stupid. When I have friends over we smoke outside.

If I had kids I would much rather have them smoking dope than smoking cigs. Definitely.

And I don't think an emergency personnel would get stoned, that's fucking retarded. And if they did then they should be fired for being stupid. Being high while working at a convenience store or something like that doesn't really matter because when you're stoned you can still control your actions.

It can stimulate appetite in chemotherapy patients and combat AIDS wasting syndrome. It can relieve intraocular pressure in glaucoma sufferers. It is being invvestigated for possible use as an anticonvulsant or something.
I forgot about the other use I heard.I heard about the Stimulation of Appetite and about the Glaucoma Sufferes, but the Aides Wasting Syndrome is more with the Appitite or is it actually something in the Pot?

Now all those can be regulated through Medical use. Alot of Narcotics are done that way while the narcoitic is still Illegal to own outside of Medical Perscription. Medical Use I can see. but are you avocating the Legalizing Pot to the same point of Tobacco and Alcohol?

not sure if its medical or not, but i know a bunch of people smoke it to 'combat depression'.
Well, seeing as it does cause euphoria, one certainly could use it to combat depression, although I doubt it is as practical for prescribed use as are antidepressant medications.

It means that, much like sedatives, they alter one's state of mind in a way to interfre with normal processing of information in the brain. Alcohol, for example, is a mind-altering substance. Weed, in being a depressant, and Heroin, by causing halucinations, BOTH affect the normal processing of information within the brain, thus a mind-altering substance. Those are facts.


ok then you missed my point earlier: tylonol is too. Now sit down and shut up.


Telling people that they have the right to shut up because THEY are explaining something that is FACT in a way -you- might understand does not convey yours.

or they could be out right wrong or, in your case, saying a biased fact. Just like weed can cause brain dammage - after 20 joints a day every day.

You are more misinformed by believing that two substances which both have a related affect cannot be categorized similarly.
The day you put tylonol on your list of mind-altering drugs is the day i'll accept this statement. The jump between weed and haroin is so great that its closer to jump from weed to tylonol.....far closer.

The Pope and an Athiest are two opposites.
so is a depresent and a halucinagenic

A Pope and a Jew are also different, yet they both have a common relationship: religious faith. Weed and Heroin are two different drugs, yes, but the type of effect they cause are comparable.
no its not.

I heard about the Stimulation of Appetite and about the Glaucoma Sufferes, but the Aides Wasting Syndrome is more with the Appitite or is it actually something in the Pot?
It is the appetite stimulating effects.
Now all those can be regulated through Medical use. Alot of Narcotics are done that way while the narcoitic is still Illegal to own outside of Medical Perscription. Medical Use I can see. but are you avocating the Legalizing Pot to the same point of Tobacco and Alcohol?
I wasn't using the medicinal argument to suggest that marijuana should be legalized for everything. I do advocate the legalization of marijuana, although not using the medicinal argument.

HAHAHA! That made me laugh really hard.

You can't stop a stoned person from getting behind a car, but hopefully they have the sense not to drive while high.

Who cares if they have guns?? They also have knives, lighters, rope, etc. Weed doesn't make you violent or want to kill people, it chills you out.
THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE HAS A BRAIN!!!!

See? SEE??? This is why i told the kid to sit down and shut up, this is why i said he has no idea what he's talking about. Because he made statemnts like that. It makes you fall asleep, it chills you out, you dont care about your problems, everythings good in the world.

*hugs zarbia*

stoners unite!
And you've braught some of my credibility back cuz anything i say infront of these kids has to be backed up by 3 government studies before they'll even consider it a possibility.


If I had kids I would much rather have them smoking dope than smoking cigs. Definitely.
*resists urge to say stoner things*

And I don't think an emergency personnel would get stoned, that's fucking retarded. And if they did then they should be fired for being stupid. Being high while working at a convenience store or something like that doesn't really matter because when you're stoned you can still control your actions.
All hail!!!!

Well, seeing as it does cause euphoria, one certainly could use it to combat depression, although I doubt it is as practical for prescribed use as are antidepressant medications.
people spend so much on fucking zoloft and prozak. Just sit back and rock the ganje.

HAHAHA! That made me laugh really hard.Glad to help... hope it made your day! :D

You can't stop a stoned person from getting behind a car, but hopefully they have the sense not to drive while high. and people still drive while Drunk.

Who cares if they have guns?? They also have knives, lighters, rope, etc. Weed doesn't make you violent or want to kill people, it chills you out.and impairs judgment. but A point I'll concede.

Second hand smoke? Don't smoke around family members, obviously. Me and my mom toke up together once in a while but we never do it around my brother cause that would just be stupid. When I have friends over we smoke outside.and unfortunatly, not everyone is as carefull as you are. it's those that aren't that spoil the whole deal.

If I had kids I would much rather have them smoking dope than smoking cigs. Definitely.

And I don't think an emergency personnel would get stoned, that's fucking retarded. And if they did then they should be fired for being stupid. again, people do drink on the job, and when they are caught it's usually after something happens. by keeping it illegal (or Controlled anyway) the chances of that happening will be almost none.

Being high while working at a convenience store or something like that doesn't really matter because when you're stoned you can still control your actions.yep but increases the chances of, giving the wrong change... Giving poor customer service... not being careful (selling acohol to minors) but again, you are correct, not as drastic as emergency personnel... but more of an irritation to the business owner.

The day you put tylonol on your list of mind-altering drugs is the day i'll accept this statement. The jump between weed and haroin is so great that its closer to jump from weed to tylonol.....far closer.
Huh buh wha?
Tylenol isn't mind-altering. Is it?
I thought it was an analgesic and antipyretic.
so is a depresent and a halucinagenic
Erm, I didn't think marijuana was a hallucinogenic. Also, wouldn't depressants and euphoriants be opposites, rather than depressants and hallucinogenics?

ok then you missed my point earlier: tylonol is too. Now sit down and shut up.

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Firstly, you want people to shut up so bad, why? So they can't prove you wrong? Secondly, I said NOTHING about anything causing permanent brain damage, you clearly have my mistaken for someone else, or ASSUMING something.

Also, tylenol does not affect the way information is processed in the brain. What it DOES is release a chemical into your blood system which allos blood to flow to your brain with less constriction. Blood constriction is in fact what a headache is. The chemical in the blood reacts with the viens to relax the constrictions. Thus not altering the brains function, but rather its ability to recieve and release blood, encouraging bloodflow.


You stated earlier that you took this issue seriously. Maybe you should do more research on what a "mind altering substance" is before you post something that has no medical foundation, trying to divide two relationed drugs because they're called two different names. You could also work on your manners. I never attacked you, yet you seem intent to do everything you can to make yourself feel bigger/better/more correct than I am. If you can't handle an adult conversation, don't go to adult forums.

and people still drive while Drunk.

You CANT compare the two. though youre getting closer, alochol is also a depresant, but it makes you more violent, it doesnt chill you out or slow you down like pot does. Even for whatever fucked up reason you held a grudge while stoned, you wouldnt have the energy to stab the kid.

and impairs judgment. but A point I'll concede.
I agree with you on this, though many argue that it actually makes them more alert. But like I said, I wont get in a car with the driver who's smoking. I hate taking public transit cuz most of thoes drivers smoke


again, people do drink on the job, and when they are caught it's usually after something happens. by keeping it illegal (or Controlled anyway) the chances of that happening will be almost none.

And I'll say this again, because i said it to you before: you think your introducing a substance that doesnt exisit into an environment that does. Your wrong. There are people going to work stoned.

According to some research, Cannabis/Marijuana can be damaging to the brain in the long term. More importantly (in my opinion) it is damaging in the same way as tobacco.

Huh buh wha?
Tylenol isn't mind-altering. Is it?
I thought it was an analgesic and antipyretic.

It has an effect on the brain, you can over dose with it, your body can become immune to it. In many european countries you cant drive if your on any kind of meds because it, indeed, does impare you.

You learn something new ever day. So do you retract your statement of comparing weed to heroin? or are you going to take the keys away next time someone takes an advil.

Erm, I didn't think marijuana was a hallucinogenic. Also, wouldn't depressants and euphoriants be opposites, rather than depressants and hallucinogenics?
wouldnt a cigarette that increases yoru heart rate not be a depressant.
Drugs work in odd ways like that.

Its also good to note that 1 depressant + 1 dperessant does not = 2 depressants. It ='s a lot more. Its almost like they compound.

wouldnt a cigarette that increases yoru heart rate not be a depressant.
Drugs work in odd ways like that.


No, Depressants SLOW the heart rate.


Its also good to note that 1 depressant + 1 dperessant does not = 2 depressants. It ='s a lot more. Its almost like they compound.

1=1=2 is Compounding. >.> but you're looking at the total value, not the value of the compounds in it.

100mg + 100mg = 200mg, but if it takes 1 hour to process 50mg of a chemical, then you are quadrupling (x4) the time needed.

And, btw, its not the tynelol that impares the ability to drive. RESEARCH before you POST!

See? SEE??? This is why i told the kid to sit down and shut up, this is why i said he has no idea what he's talking about. Because he made statemnts like that. It makes you fall asleep, it chills you out, you dont care about your problems, everythings good in the world.

Yeah, it chills you out... slows reaction time... slows thinking too. Spaces you out for a while... so you don't pay as much attention to what's around you... you don't care about your problem... or anyone elses... everythings good in the world... just not the real world.
And you've braught some of my credibility back cuz anything i say infront of these kids has to be backed up by 3 government studies before they'll even consider it a possibilityNah, thats required for everything argued here. Everyone wants Proof in tripicate, validated by 10 top scientists, and reported on all forms of Media except Fox News. :D

Firstly, you want people to shut up so bad, why? So they can't prove you wrong?
no. infact every time i said it was after i proved you wrong. You have nothign on me. You dont even know what your talking about.

Secondly, I said NOTHING about anything causing permanent brain damage, you clearly have my mistaken for someone else, or ASSUMING something.

Im sorry if ive directed an argument on you that wasnt there. So many people have been saying it that i figured you must have too (im combining people now)

Also, tylenol does not affect the way information is processed in the brain. What it DOES is release a chemical into your blood system which allos blood to flow to your brain with less constriction. Blood constriction is in fact what a headache is. The chemical in the blood reacts with the viens to relax the constrictions. Thus not altering the brains function, but rather its ability to recieve and release blood, encouraging bloodflow.

relaxes constriction, what else do you think it does, hm? what else does it relax? It cant possibly just target the cells immidatly that make up the walls of the blood stream in the brain. Infact, it would affect the rest of the body too, wouldnt it. Oh no, your brain is numb abd now your body is too...


You stated earlier that you took this issue seriously. Maybe you should do more research on what a "mind altering substance" is before you post something that has no medical foundation,

hypocrit. sit down. No medical foundation? Ok that is just dumb. even the jesus humpers know that its used for things medically.

trying to divide two relationed drugs because they're called two different names.
like tylonol and weed

You could also work on your manners.

your stupidity is getting annoying. leave and i'll be nice again.

I never attacked you, yet you seem intent to do everything you can to make yourself feel bigger/better/more correct than I am.
Its clear that I am, your bringing 'facts' that dont exist here, and the rest of them are biased so theyre wrong any way.
Get to know the world of narcotics and drugs first, then make an argument.

If you can't handle an adult conversation, don't go to adult forums.

I cant. What I cant handle is people who are proven worng, and act like children and insist their right any way. I can sit here and pound facts into your brain all day your going ot be stubborn and turn a blind eye to it.

It has an effect on the brain, you can over dose with it, your body can become immune to it. In many european countries you cant drive if your on any kind of meds because it, indeed, does impare you.
Tylenol overdoses kill you by destroying your liver.

However, it appears you are right that Tylenol does affect the brain. It brings down fever by affecting the heat-regulating center of the brain. So I suppose it all really depends on one's definition of 'mind-altering' then. Huh.
You learn something new ever day. So do you retract your statement of comparing weed to heroin? or are you going to take the keys away next time someone takes an advil.
:confused:
I never said anything of the sort. Nekone did.
wouldnt a cigarette that increases yoru heart rate not be a depressant.
Drugs work in odd ways like that.
If by cigarette you mean a tobacco cigarette, as far as I know they are stimulants.

You're quite welcome. Usually people on this forum aren't as polite as you. If I had to guess, I'd say you weren't hooked on dope. Or Heroin for that matter. Just my impression.

EDIT: MAYDE A GRAMMATIKLE ARROR.

Nope, not hooked. I get stoned when I want to (oh, the benders I've had....), but I can go for months without.

No, Depressants SLOW the heart rate.
THATS MY POINT!
Cigarettes are depressatns but they increase heart rate. Drugs are fucked up like that. You have to know what it is, not just take whatever the tv tells you as fact.


1=1=2 is Compounding. >.> but you're looking at the total value, not the value of the compounds in it.

100mg + 100mg = 200mg, but if it takes 1 hour to process 50mg of a chemical, then you are quadrupling (x4) the time needed.
ok you werent paying attention to what I was saying. Your bringing math into something that doesnt require - nor have anything to do with - math. This is what happens to depressants, they compound. And it has nothign to do with math, but it has everythign to do with biology and what your body can handle and deal with quicker.

And, btw, its not the tynelol that impares the ability to drive. RESEARCH before you POST!
yes it is. Do your own research babe. All drugs do ;)

Tylenol overdoses kill you by destroying your liver.

However, it appears you are right that Tylenol does affect the brain. It brings down fever by affecting the heat-regulating center of the brain. So I suppose it all really depends on one's definition of 'mind-altering' then. Huh.

and so we go back to my first statement when you first said the word "wtf does 'mind altering' actually mean".

:confused:
If by cigarette you mean a tobacco cigarette, as far as I know they are stimulants.
depressants last time I checked.

You CANT compare the two. though youre getting closer, alochol is also a depresant, but it makes you more violent, it doesnt chill you out or slow you down like pot does. Even for whatever fucked up reason you held a grudge while stoned, you wouldnt have the energy to stab the kid. Or step on the break... or turn the wheel in time... or pick up the ringing phone...

Actually the type of drunk a person is depends on the person. I've seen Quiet Drunks as well as the violent types. and anything that can hamper judgment is still hampering Judgment, but now, you are admitting it's also hampering ability as well.

I agree with you on this, though many argue that it actually makes them more alert. But like I said, I wont get in a car with the driver who's smoking. I hate taking public transit cuz most of thoes drivers smokeOhh... I smell lawsuit against the Public transport service. I'll admit. I know alot of People who drink and they do so responsibily, Designated Driver or they purposly hide their keys in a box that requires manual dexterity to open. the sad thing tho is the whole lot more that don't.
err... question. How long are the affects of Marjiuana and is there easy Tell tales for others to see if they are 'Stoned'?

And I'll say this again, because i said it to you before: you think your introducing a substance that doesnt exisit into an environment that does. Your wrong. There are people going to work stoned.and how many more will there be when it's legalized?

Weed is considered a hallucinigenic (fuck i can't spell that word) and I know because I've hallucinated like mad.

Also, if you're ever stoned and you want to trip out hard listen to the Aphex Twins, this band is amazing!

Now, can't we all just get along? http://www.weed.com/images/smilies/bong.gif

Just thought to ask a controversial question.

Because: Hemp competed with cotton, an extablished revenue empire in this country, William Randolph Hearst, who owned many newspapers, was concerned about hemp's possible competition with paper production, and thus, he demonized it in the media, tobacco companies would lose money with the introduction of a legalized unregulated smoking substance, and psychotic bible thumpers actually believed that it would make you jump out of windows, and thus, forced their considerable influence on politicians of the day to make and keep it illegal.

Simple: it has about 25% chance of causing psychological disorders. In other words, pot can make you go crazy.


im already crazy

no. infact every time i said it was after i proved you wrong. You have nothign on me. You dont even know what your talking about.


You haven't proven me wrong, You've done nothing but repeat the same false "facts" without a shred of evidence to the contrary. Repeating what you're saying doesn't prove me wrong by a shred, quite the contrary.


Im sorry if ive directed an argument on you that wasnt there. So many people have been saying it that i figured you must have too (im combining people now)


Ah yes, because everyone is the same. Except for you of course, you're the only one who's right. ;)


relaxes constriction, what else do you think it does, hm? what else does it relax? It cant possibly just target the cells immidatly that make up the walls of the blood stream in the brain. Infact, it would affect the rest of the body too, wouldnt it. Oh no, your brain is numb abd now your body is too...


Tylenol does not numb the brain at all. What the HELL are you talking about. Go do some damned research about the full effects of chemicals in medicines before you talk about something you know nothing aboutl.



hypocrit. sit down. No medical foundation? Ok that is just dumb. even the jesus humpers know that its used for things medically.

Where am I being a hypocrit? I haven't contradicted myself at all. Marajuana is not ONLY used medicinally. But that is not the topic of the thread....


like tylonol and weed

Almost, take out Tylenol and you'd be 100% correct.


your stupidity is getting annoying. leave and i'll be nice again.


Your ignorance, complete idiocy and inability to act maturely leads me to believe there are even MORE dangerous side effects to drugs.


Its clear that I am, your bringing 'facts' that dont exist here, and the rest of them are biased so theyre wrong any way.
Get to know the world of narcotics and drugs first, then make an argument.


I get all my facts from REAL MEDICAL and SCIENTIFIC reports. You must know a lot about drugs to know tylenol numbs your body. :rolleyes:


I cant. What I cant handle is people who are proven worng, and act like children and insist their right any way. I can sit here and pound facts into your brain all day your going ot be stubborn and turn a blind eye to it.

Or step on the break... or turn the wheel in time... or pick up the ringing phone...
or turn on the car and press the gas and remove the hand break and...

Actually the type of drunk a person is depends on the person. I've seen Quiet Drunks as well as the violent types. and anything that can hamper judgment is still hampering Judgment, but now, you are admitting it's also hampering ability as well.
clearly judgement hampers with ability. Whats your point?


err... question. How long are the affects of Marjiuana and is there easy Tell tales for others to see if they are 'Stoned'?

teehee. have son your suspicious of?

Depends on how potent it is. But it usually wont last longer than a few hours. Thogh the first time I did it I smoked a half ounce with three girls (basically this means fucked out of your mind even to a regular stoner). I was still burnt out the next day.

Really weak stuff will give you a buzz and you'll still feel fine.

So the length is somewhere between thoes two :P

And do you mean sighns that soneones stoned? The skin around their eyes are red, their eyes are bloodshot, their purples are huge, they cant stop smiling, theyre mellow about anything, they dont talk as much (or talk far too much...they'll burn out soon), they arent jumping up to do everything, prefer sitting on the couch and listening to usic or something.

and how many more will there be when its legalized

less, actually. Its evident in other countries where weed is common-place. people arent stoned 24/7, they usually only save it for large events like new years. Its not a 'oh wow its so exotic' thing. Its more of a "oh yeah, i know what thats like. So who wants to go bowling" kind of thing.

Weed is considered a hallucinigenic (fuck i can't spell that word) and I know because I've hallucinated like mad.
then that was laced. Weed is a depressant.

I never said anything of the sort. Nekone did.I never compared Weed to Heroin.

I did say that like Cocaine, Weed was Quasi Legal... it wasn't illegal. Did you know that Coke first formula had Cocaine in it? Because Cocaine was considered a Health Medicine, Coca-cola added small doses in their drinks to produce a 'Healthy' soda.

I also Mentioned that I can see Weed being a Medically controlled substance like most Narcotics are. but I never compaired weed to Heroin.

then that was laced. Weed is a depressant.
In large amounts it can be hallucinogenic, as can tobacco.

I remember the first time I smoked weed, that was funny shit. I bought three subway sandwiches cause it was me and two of my friends. I went to his house and he had three homemade pipes ready to go. They had tried it a week before and so I was smoking and they told me to keep smoking and smoking and I must have smoked about 1/8th of an oz before it hit me hard and I flew into the room (cause we were smoking in the bathtub which is in the bathroom thats attached to his room) And then we ate and laughed and had a merry time.

No dude, weed can make you hallucinate. It's classified as a hallucinigenic.

You haven't proven me wrong, You've done nothing but repeat the same false "facts" without a shred of evidence to the contrary. Repeating what you're saying doesn't prove me wrong by a shred, quite the contrary.
no, but the facts being correct and you ignoring it proves me wrong and proves you ignorant.


Your ignorance, complete idiocy and inability to act maturely leads me to believe there are even MORE dangerous side effects to drugs.

Anyone else think she's talking in the mirror right now?

And your trying to argue something and you dont even know the effects of it? please, save us any more annoying banter and just go away. You clearly dont know what your talking abot and now you've finally admited it.

I get all my facts from REAL MEDICAL and SCIENTIFIC reports. You must know a lot about drugs to know tylenol numbs your body. :rolleyes:
I said it dumbs your mind to pain. Please, if you want to prove me worng, at least quote me correctly. And, indeed, thats what it does.

Next, dont expect everyting you read for these 'medical reports' to be ture if theyre from the states. The governemtn has a tendecy on leaning on the effects, along with not letting all studies be made. Expecially with the new bush administration that wont allow studies on marijana unless theyre looking for bad effects.

teehee. have son your suspicious of?Nah... Just Curious. After all, how else am I suppose to Learn without actually partaking of it. Besides, I read some of the affects of Weed and wanna know How accurate it is.

Depends on how potent it is. But it usually wont last longer than a few hours. Thogh the first time I did it I smoked a half ounce with three girls (basically this means fucked out of your mind even to a regular stoner). I was still burnt out the next day.

Really weak stuff will give you a buzz and you'll still feel fine.

So the length is somewhere between thoes two :P That's what I've heard and read... Thanks.

And do you mean sighns that soneones stoned? The skin around their eyes are red, their eyes are bloodshot, their purples are huge, they cant stop smiling, theyre mellow about anything, they dont talk as much (or talk far too much...they'll burn out soon), they arent jumping up to do everything, prefer sitting on the couch and listening to music or something.except for the skin around the eyes, you described me after a normal day's work. :D Thanks.

In large amounts it can be hallucinogenic, as can tobacco.
its still categorized as a depressant. the categories suck, just like alcohol is a depressant too.

I remember the first time I smoked weed, that was funny shit. I bought three subway sandwiches cause it was me and two of my friends. I went to his house and he had three homemade pipes ready to go. They had tried it a week before and so I was smoking and they told me to keep smoking and smoking and I must have smoked about 1/8th of an oz before it hit me hard and I flew into the room (cause we were smoking in the bathtub which is in the bathroom thats attached to his room) And then we ate and laughed and had a merry time.

No dude, weed can make you hallucinate. It's classified as a hallucinigenic.
:D
"Dude... I gotta tell you this... I see dead people."
"Really?"
"Uh huh"
"Wow... that must be some great shit!"
"[laughs] yeah it is... wanna hit?"
Quote from Scary Movie

I remember the first time I smoked weed, that was funny shit. I bought three subway sandwiches cause it was me and two of my friends. I went to his house and he had three homemade pipes ready to go. They had tried it a week before and so I was smoking and they told me to keep smoking and smoking and I must have smoked about 1/8th of an oz before it hit me hard and I flew into the room (cause we were smoking in the bathtub which is in the bathroom thats attached to his room) And then we ate and laughed and had a merry time.

No dude, weed can make you hallucinate. It's classified as a hallucinigenic.
Link me to this hallucinagenic stuff. Everything ive ever read and been told was that it was a depressant, and it makes just as much sence - if not more.

and 1/8 of an ounce? whast oz?

I'd like to point out that weed doesn't 'sap your energy'. The only study I've seen to support this stated that only teenage males experienced this (although it couldn't explain why), and even then only rarely. What occurs is that you have a heightened sense of what you're doing; if you're just sitting aroundwhen it hits you, you'll probably stay sitting down for the duration because it's so much fun. If you're being more animated when it hits you, you'll continue to do what you're doing. And if you get a crazy idea, odds are you'll do it, unless you're busy sitting down or are too wasted for adequate motor function.

I never compared Weed to Heroin.

I did say that like Cocaine, Weed was Quasi Legal... it wasn't illegal. Did you know that Coke first formula had Cocaine in it? Because Cocaine was considered a Health Medicine, Coca-cola added small doses in their drinks to produce a 'Healthy' soda.

I also Mentioned that I can see Weed being a Medically controlled substance like most Narcotics are. but I never compaired weed to Heroin.


I hate to say it, but the coke in coke was there to give a buzz, and get people to keep drinking it, and as time went on even a while before it was taken out alltogether it was in such miniscule amounts per bottle. like theyd only add a tiny but of the coca leaf extract to the batch being made.

Nah... Just Curious. After all, how else am I suppose to Learn without actually partaking of it. Besides, I read some of the affects of Weed and wanna know How accurate it is.

That's what I've heard and read... Thanks.

except for the skin around the eyes, you described me after a normal day's work. :D Thanks.
And after you come home from work we should lock you in jail because you look stoned and act stoned and even though you had no weed you belong in jail because that state of mide is bad and....

I'd like to point out that weed doesn't 'sap your energy'. The only study I've seen to support this stated that only teenage males experienced this (although it couldn't explain why), and even then only rarely. What occurs is that you have a heightened sense of what you're doing; if you're just sitting aroundwhen it hits you, you'll probably stay sitting down for the duration because it's so much fun. If you're being more animated when it hits you, you'll continue to do what you're doing. And if you get a crazy idea, odds are you'll do it, unless you're busy sitting down or are too wasted for adequate motor function.
Im a chick and i get it all the time. Infact yesterday I skiped 4th cuz I couldnt get up. (infact i didnt realize 4th started until later and then i decided not to walk in late cuz i was simply too burt out).

:D
"Dude... I gotta tell you this... I see dead people."
"Really?"
"Uh huh"
"Wow... that must be some great shit!"
"[laughs] yeah it is... wanna hit?"
Quote from Scary Movie

Haha, awesome.

The best stoner movie I've seen recently is Harold and Kumar. Fuckin' hilarious.