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It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?

Same way as I would treat any child. What does it matter?

I'd probably become that much more enthusiastic about moving to Canada though.

I would go on a jihad, of course.

Beat them up daily, starve them, throw Barbie dolls at them...[/sarcasm]


We need AT LEAST one sicko answer, don't we?

I would rip off its limbs and use them to beat you to death for reviving this incredibly overdone topic.

I'd treat them the same as I'd always treated them, which hopefully is with kindness and love... They're still the same person after all.
Being gay is just another facet of who they are, and I'd be grateful to know them more fully.

that depends. if it was a boy, i'd cook him and eat him. if it was a girl, id force her into the porn industry.

seriously though, my father is gay, so alls that would happen is i would make fun (good naturedly) of their grandfather's genes, and give them the support they would need.

If it were a son, I wouldn't act any differently.

If it were a daughter, I'd probably be a little more relieved that she wouldn't be dating guys like me anymore. :)

I would shoot him/her. Definitely, Homos don't deserve to live.[/sarcasm]


Did you actually think anyone would post anything other than:


I would give them a pony and ice cream and be the most wonderful person ever.

I would shoot him/her. Definitely, Homos don't deserve to live.[/sarcasm]


Did you actually think anyone would post anything other than:

There are plenty of people here who are very proud about their distaste of homosexuals. They won't be afraid to say they'd disown their child.

If your thread was trite, would you let it die?

Like the human being that they are.

Son: Get him to cook dinner and iron my clothes.
Daughter: Get her to do all the handyman stuff.

Kidding, kidding. (Just 'cause I can't do any of the above) :D

Son: Get him to cook dinner and iron my clothes.
Daughter: Get her to do all the handyman stuff.

Kidding, kidding. :D
And if they turned out straight....

...

Son: Get him to cook dinner IN an apron
Daughter:....well I dunno what the hell would undignify them...

I've heard people say that they would disown their children for being gay before, so I think the thread topic is valid.
However, I have a feeling none of the violent anti-gays are going to post.
oh well...

And if they turned out straight....

...

Son: Get him to cook dinner IN an apron
Daughter:....well I dunno what the hell would undignify them...

Hmm, strap her to a chair and make her watch sport?

Move to Sydney.

LOL, hang on, can I ask HOW THE HELL can your Dad be gay? WTF happened there? Forced marrige or something?

I would have to have them committed to a mental home. ;) j/k
I wouldn't care. In fact, that would remove the change of him or her getting knocked up or knocking someone up. XD

Move to Sydney.
lol.
Awww, I miss Sydney. :(

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?
No child of mine would turn out gay - I'd raise them right and teach them the correct core morals.

No child of mine would turn out gay - I'd raise them right and teach them the correct core morals.

Well you see, theres a minor problem with that. You cant just teach someone to be straight or gay. Its a natural thing (at least it was for me anyway). But hey, I think it would be better off if a child was able to get out of a family that doesnt like them, no matter their sexuality.

No child of mine would turn out gay - I'd raise them right and teach them the correct core morals.
And if being gay wasn't a choice (and it probably isn't) and they were gay despite your moral teachings, what would you do?
Or even if it was a choice, and they descided to be gay anyway, what would you do?

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?
No change

No child of mine would turn out gay - I'd raise them right and teach them the correct core morals.
That will work ... just have them living in fear of you untell they move away and can express who they really are in the end the same thing except they will hate you

And if being gay wasn't a choice (and it probably isn't) and they were gay despite your moral teachings, what would you do?
Or even if it was a choice, and they descided to be gay anyway, what would you do?
Well, I guess I would be very disappointed, but it's hard to say. Whether I accepted it or disowned them would be dependant on their attitude, I suppose. Just because I find homosexuality to be wrong doesn't mean I hate gays.

Well, I guess I would be very disappointed, but it's hard to say. Whether I accepted it or disowned them would be dependant on their attitude, I suppose. Just because I find homosexuality to be wrong doesn't mean I hate gays.
Fair enough ... there are no rules saying you have to like something

That will work ... just have them living in fear of you untell they move away and can express who they really are in the end the same thing except they will hate you
You raise your kids your way, I'll raise my kids my way. I don't see how teaching a child a set of morals is "having them living in fear"...what, your kids would be unruly hooligans with no set of guidelines to live by, running rampant with no guidance other than "do whatever you feel like"?

You raise your kids your way, I'll raise my kids my way. I don't see how teaching a child a set of morals is "having them living in fear"...what, your kids would be unruly hooligans with no set of guidelines to live by, running rampant with no guidance other than "do whatever you feel like"?
Not talking about disapline I am talking if it is not a choice (which I should have explained in my post) but time and time again trying to force them to be compleatly opposite of who they are will just send them underground with it and cause them misery

(again coming from the pov that this is not a "choice")

Well, if I had a son that was gay I'd force him to redecorate the house and give me fashion tips.

If I had a daughter that was gay, I'd ask her if she could put me in touch with any of her lesbian friends that liked the idea of "performing" in front of a dirty old man :p

Seriously, I'm kidding.

Maybe not about the redecorating though...

You raise your kids your way, I'll raise my kids my way. I don't see how teaching a child a set of morals is "having them living in fear"...what, your kids would be unruly hooligans with no set of guidelines to live by, running rampant with no guidance other than "do whatever you feel like"?
Because having your parents telling you that homosexuality is evil and abhorrent makes you hate yourself for having those feelings. They live in fear of you, and what would happen if you found out. They are sad and depressed because they don't want to disappoint you, but can't change the way they feel. Clear enough?

Well, if I had a son that was gay I'd force him to redecorate the house and give me fashion tips.

If I had a daughter that was gay, I'd ask her if she could put me in touch with any of her lesbian friends that liked the idea of "performing" in front of a dirty old man :p

Seriously, I'm kidding.

Maybe not about the redecorating though...
If he was good at it hell yeah! (wouldn’t want to assume he was good just because he was gay) hell I would work on his car/computer/network for him for paybacks lol that’s what I’m good at lol

I would definately NOT tell them about these forums. Reckon that the last thing I would want them subjected to is the abuse and flaming against gays that goes on here!

I'm not against gay people, and if a gay person was interested in me i would respectively decline.

If my child were gay I wouldn't mind, maybe my dreams of his/her family will be squashed but they are still my child.

But what I am against is people saying homosexuality is natural, it simply isnt, a man was meant to have sex with a woman, homosexuality is a mistake. I'm not saying its a mentall ilness, definately not, its just one of those things in humans that don't work out right.

Because having your parents telling you that homosexuality is evil and abhorrent makes you hate yourself for having those feelings. They live in fear of you, and what would happen if you found out. They are sad and depressed because they don't want to disappoint you, but can't change the way they feel. Clear enough?
Same way a kid would feel guilty about torturing puppies if I had told him it was wrong? Every parent (should) instill their own morals on their children - no two people will have the same set of morals, however. I guess the easiest thing is just to sit back and take no interest in teaching your child anything, and let them grow up the best way they can.

His opinion is based on the idea that being gay is not a choice. It would in that case be like teaching a black child you had adopted that black people were horrible abominations.

Also, you would compare being gay to torturing puppies? how does that work out.

I would be dissapointed. There's a certain romantic image I have in my head of my son or daughter in a happy relationship with a member of the opposite sex, with plenty of grand-children. It's traditional, and kind of ridiculously sugar-coated. But it's there.

But you learn to live with it. And my child is my child. That never changes.

I would be very sad and would try to dissuade him or her, but in the end I guess I'd jsut suck it up and deal with it. Certainly wouldn't abuse them, verbally or physically.

You could always have your son or daughter in a happy relationship with a member of the same sex, with plenty of adopted grandchildren.

Same way a kid would feel guilty about torturing puppies if I had told him it was wrong? Every parent (should) instill their own morals on their children - no two people will have the same set of morals, however. I guess the easiest thing is just to sit back and take no interest in teaching your child anything, and let them grow up the best way they can.
What in the holy hell are you talking about? Toturing puppies? Where the hell did that even come from?

No not the same way a kid would feel bad about toturing puppies. Gayness doesn't hurt anyone or any puppy, you can't compare the two. Besides that if I had been told repeatadly that toturing puppies was wrong and yet I still did it, that would be something I intentionally disobeyed. I should feel bad for that.

I have no control over who I am attracted too. I don't want to be gay, because you said it was wrong, but I can't change it. I am afraid of what would happen if you ever found out, and thats depressing as hell.

I would be dissapointed. There's a certain romantic image I have in my head of my son or daughter in a happy relationship with a member of the opposite sex, with plenty of grand-children. It's traditional, and kind of ridiculously sugar-coated. But it's there.

But you learn to live with it. And my child is my child. That never changes.

Here Here! That was some quality speaking.

Republican Australia']I'm not against gay people, and if a gay person was interested in me i would respectively decline.

If my child were gay I wouldn't mind, maybe my dreams of his/her family will be squashed but they are still my child.

But what I am against is people saying homosexuality is natural, it simply isnt, a man was meant to have sex with a woman, homosexuality is a mistake. I'm not saying its a mentall ilness, definately not, its just one of those things in humans that don't work out right.

Actually, homosexuality is natural - it occurs in nature. A human male is only "meant to" have sex with a human female for the purpose of breeding. Beyond that, everything else is fair game.

When I'm reborn, I wouldn't half mind coming back as a Bonobo chimp. My understanding is that for them sex is a way of saying "Hi", "Thanks", "So... how was your day?", "I haven't seen you here recently", "Uhhh... I think it's about 3PM", "Have you seen Bob?" and even "What?"

I would be dissapointed. There's a certain romantic image I have in my head of my son or daughter in a happy relationship with a member of the opposite sex, with plenty of grand-children. It's traditional, and kind of ridiculously sugar-coated. But it's there.

But you learn to live with it. And my child is my child. That never changes.

I know a lesbien couple that have a daughter - one is the biological mother - and they're doing a great job. It might not be completely traditional but you can still have grandchildren. Sergent parents, children from earlier relationships (they could be bi as well), etc. It's not completely traditional but it doesn't rule out grandchildren and a happy home my a long shot.

I know a lesbien couple that have a daughter - one is the biological mother - and they're doing a great job. It might not be completely traditional but you can still have grandchildren. Sergent parents, children from earlier relationships (they could be bi as well), etc. It's not completely traditional but it doesn't rule out grandchildren and a happy home my a long shot.

OH NOES!!!one!! Teh daughter will get teh gays off them! OMG!!!!!one!!!eleven!!

You could always have your son or daughter in a happy relationship with a member of the same sex, with plenty of adopted grandchildren.
I know a lesbien couple that have a daughter - one is the biological mother - and they're doing a great job. It might not be completely traditional but you can still have grandchildren. Sergent parents, children from earlier relationships (they could be bi as well), etc. It's not completely traditional but it doesn't rule out grandchildren and a happy home my a long shot.
Certainly, I realize that. But that's more a consolation prize. You know? I have this picture in my head, an ideal. The reality could never meet the ideal anyway, but a homosexual child would be farther away from the ideal than a heterosexual child with all the same qualities. Do you understand? I think that's why many parents are dissapointed to hear that their child is gay. There's a certain image they had in their imaginations, and now that image - nurtured for who knows how long - doesn't really make sense any more. It can never be.

It's not a matter of tolerance or even acceptance for me. I'm down with homosexuality. Sign me up. But I have dreams too, you know?

Here Here! That was some quality speaking.
Thanks!

I would definately NOT tell them about these forums. Reckon that the last thing I would want them subjected to is the abuse and flaming against gays that goes on here!

Actually these fourms aren't so bad at all compared to one other I used to frequent. It was so bad I couldn't distinguish it from stormfront.org at most times. Over the years I hung out there I saw a lot... of mostly psychotic crap and extremely poor moderation. This was no small site either, and given the nature of its focus, was very popular among younger people. They didn't seem capable or intelligent enough to know what shit they were contributing to so I let em have it and made a formal complaint to one of their major partners stating as long as you do business with them you won't see a dime from me. Sounds a bit harsh but I openly warned the admins one year prior that would occur if they didn't smarten up.

I would beat and abuse them just like all the straight ones. j/k

LOL, hang on, can I ask HOW THE HELL can your Dad be gay? WTF happened there? Forced marrige or something?
i'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you're talking to me. no, at the time of his marriage, my and my sisters conception and birth, and the first 14 years of my life, he was going under the mistaken impression that he was a straight man. then when that proved to be untrue, my folks divorced, and yeah. now he dates a texan. FYI, his semi-conservative libertarian father handled it very well. his very conservative baptist granmother guessed even though we tried to hide it from her, and was both incredably tactful and immeasurably sweet about it.

What in the holy hell are you talking about? Toturing puppies? Where the hell did that even come from?

No not the same way a kid would feel bad about toturing puppies. Gayness doesn't hurt anyone or any puppy, you can't compare the two. Besides that if I had been told repeatadly that toturing puppies was wrong and yet I still did it, that would be something I intentionally disobeyed. I should feel bad for that.

I have no control over who I am attracted too. I don't want to be gay, because you said it was wrong, but I can't change it. I am afraid of what would happen if you ever found out, and thats depressing as hell.
Some people have no control over sadistic urges against living things. Morals are morals - if we say everything is preprogammed into our genes and we have no choices in life, we might as well just pack it in now. Long live free will.
I WILL teach my kids that homosexuality is wrong, and I can't see a thing wrong with that. That's the way I was raised, and I'm a perfectly normal, happy person. I was raised with a strong sense of wrong and right, and I am a decent, clean living individual. I couldn't have asked for a better upbringing.

i'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you're talking to me. no, at the time of his marriage, my and my sisters conception and birth, and the first 14 years of my life, he was going under the mistaken impression that he was a straight man. then when that proved to be untrue, my folks divorced, and yeah. now he dates a texan. FYI, his semi-conservative libertarian father handled it very well. his very conservative baptist granmother guessed even though we tried to hide it from her, and was both incredably tactful and immeasurably sweet about it.

I see girls and im like UGHHH MY GOD SHES HOT, does this mean that i still can be mistaken, or can i assume im a safe bet at being the way i want to be?

Republican Australia']I see girls and im like UGHHH MY GOD SHES HOT, does this mean that i still can be mistaken, or can i assume im a safe bet at being the way i want to be?
Just don't let the Pink Mafia brainwash you with their propganda machine!

[j/k]

Republican Australia']I see girls and im like UGHHH MY GOD SHES HOT, does this mean that i still can be mistaken, or can i assume im a safe bet at being the way i want to be?
nope. you seem pretty gay. :D

Some people have no control over sadistic urges against living things. Morals are morals - if we say everything is preprogammed into our genes and we have no choices in life, we might as well just pack it in now. Long live free will.
I WILL teach my kids that homosexuality is wrong, and I can't see a thing wrong with that. That's the way I was raised, and I'm a perfectly normal, happy person. I was raised with a strong sense of wrong and right, and I am a decent, clean living individual. I couldn't have asked for a better upbringing.
So how would your adolescence have been if you were told that it was wrong and immoral for you to have feelings for women?

I'd say, "Your fathers will always be here to help if people give you crap..."

Some people have no control over sadistic urges against living things. Morals are morals - if we say everything is preprogammed into our genes and we have no choices in life, we might as well just pack it in now. Long live free will.
I WILL teach my kids that homosexuality is wrong, and I can't see a thing wrong with that. That's the way I was raised, and I'm a perfectly normal, happy person. I was raised with a strong sense of wrong and right, and I am a decent, clean living individual. I couldn't have asked for a better upbringing.
Ok well there is still a difference between having an attraction to the same sex and having sadistic urges, namely one of those two doesn't hurt anything or anyone.

Go ahead and be happy with your morals, they don't affect me, but you did ask how that would be making them live in fear. Trust me it would.

So how would your adolescence have been if you were told that it was wrong and immoral for you to have feelings for women?
That's hardly the same - that's like being told that going to the toilet was wrong and immoral. It's a nonsensical argument.

Ok well there is still a difference between having an attraction to the same sex and having sadistic urges, namely one of those two doesn't hurt anything or anyone.

Go ahead and be happy with your morals, they don't affect me, but you did ask how that would be making them live in fear. Trust me it would.
You call it fear, I call it respect.

Nothing would change

You call it fear, I call it respect.
So self hatred and depression are signs of respect? Remind me not to respect you.

That's hardly the same - that's like being told that going to the toilet was wrong and immoral. It's a nonsensical argument.

Well, you see...the feelings you had for girls when you where a kid is the same as a gay child would have for the same sex. So it wouldn't be a to big difference to that you would have been told that have feelings for the other sex was immoral.

That's hardly the same - that's like being told that going to the toilet was wrong and immoral. It's a nonsensical argument.
To gay people, it is the same. Being gay for most people is as natural as being straight. Gay people are they way they are and cannot change. It is like you are telling your gay son that going to the toilet is wrong and immoral. To him it seems the most natural thing in the world.

To gay people, it is the same. Being gay for most people is as natural as being straight. Gay people are they way they are and cannot change. It is like you are telling your gay son that going to the toilet is wrong and immoral. To him it seems the most natural thing in the world.
Well, frankly, I disagree. How about that!

So self hatred and depression are signs of respect? Remind me not to respect you.
Ditto. BTW, you're getting worked up over your OWN skew of what I originally said.

Well, frankly, I disagree. How about that!
You could disagree and say the world is flat, but that doesn't make you right.

Well, frankly, I disagree. How about that!
Wow, why don't you go and ask a gay person? That may have a little more weight than your opinion...

You could disagree and say the world is flat, but that doesn't make you right.
And you could say the world is cuboid, wouldn't make you right either.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. ;)

Wow, why don't you go and ask a gay person? That may have a little more weight than your opinion...

OOOh goodie there's a horde of us here too. :D

do you have any facts behind your disagreement, or is it just a matter of opinion?

Wow, why don't you go and ask a gay person? That may have a little more weight than your opinion...
Then again, they might not. :eek:

Ditto. BTW, you're getting worked up over your OWN skew of what I originally said.
Ok fine then, so fear=respect to you? Hows that work?

And you could say the world is cuboid, wouldn't make you right either.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. ;)
My asshole smells perfectly fine, thank you. Although, my opinions do stink.

do you have any facts behind your disagreement, or is it just a matter of opinion?
If I had the time and inclination, I'd show you plenty of reports that suggest that no tests have been able to prove that homosexuality is genetic or otherwise predestined in an individual. Maybe when I'm back tomorrow.

Then again, they might not.
Why? :eek: Oh all knowing one...

Then again, they might not. :eek:
Nah, I'll stick with the fact that I'm gay means I have a better opinion of what it is to be gay then a straight person...

If I had the time and inclination, I'd show you plenty of reports that suggest that no tests have been able to prove that homosexuality is genetic or otherwise predestined in an individual. Maybe when I'm back tomorrow.

Just because it hasn't YET been conclusively proven doesn't mean it is not innate... You'd know that if you were a science student...

And I could show you studies that may demonstrate a possible biologicall link between hypothalamus size and sexual orientation... I think there were more too, including intra-uterine environment.

Let's think here.

If my child were gay...

:Theoretical:

"Dad, I'm gay."

"What?"

"I'm gay."

"Whatever. Just get back doin' yer chores, I just dun' give enuff o' a crap."

"But arent' you going to support my alternative lifestyle?"

"The hell I don't, I'm makin' steaks tonight, if that ain't s'pport i dun' know what is!"

"But what about all my rights? Don't they matter to you?"

"Rights, my ass, yer still in the will, ain't yeh?"

"I mean rights to marry a man as I please!"

"Sure, right, talk to Pastor Zehnder, he's the guy yeh wanna talk ter about marriage."

"But he's a conservative Christian! He'll never marry me to my lover!"

"Well too friggin' bad, if ye want him ter marry yeh, buy his church offa him. Until then, it's his damn church."

"Will you at least meet my lover with and say hello to him?"

"Is he comin' to the poker match tonight?"

"Certainly not, he is far too cultured!"

"Screw that then, I cain't stand artsy types."

"But Dad-"

"I said ye could be gay, I dun give a crap. But now, yer just tryin' to git out o' yer chores, aren't ye. Get back scrubbin' that mule or I'm gonna slap yeh one."

Any gay person can tell you that their feelings have been the way they are forever. Gays don't turn out gay out of nowhere. And we do not chose to be gay - just like you do not chose to be heterosexual. The problem is, that homosexuality is being demonized (especially in the U.S.) for no valid reason and this is a direct attack on the core of the people who are gay and - at least I think this is the case - are happy to live their life the way they are. It hurts to be discriminated for something as unchangeable and natural as one's sexual preference. This is why the gay rights movement exists. It's exactly the same with the blacks rights movement. Discrimination against people who are black, who are jews, who are gay, etc. is wrong and needs to be removed from this planet. Until gays have achieved this for themselves at least, the battle must continue.

If I had the time and inclination, I'd show you plenty of reports that suggest that no tests have been able to prove that homosexuality is genetic or otherwise predestined in an individual. Maybe when I'm back tomorrow.

Please do but keep in mind all those studies in genetics, psychology etc. leave equally as many questions as to the development of heterosexual orientation.

Let's think here.

If my child were gay...

:Theoretical:

"Dad, I'm gay."

"What?"

"I'm gay."

"Whatever. Just get back doin' yer chores, I just dun' give enuff o' a crap."

"But arent' you going to support my alternative lifestyle?"

*snip*

"I said ye could be gay, I dun give a crap. But now, yer just tryin' to git out o' yer chores, aren't ye. Get back scrubbin' that mule or I'm gonna slap yeh one."
that was the greatest thing ever.

There is a difference. You can tell if a guy is black or not just by looking at him. But with gays... well, sometimes you can't tell. Plus those pride parades piss me off. All those bright colors and happy people... ick.

Also, being black never resulted in a bleeding anus.

Nothing against gays, just setting the record straight. Pardon the expression. I have a number of gay friends, and I respect their life choices the way I respect anyone elses.

Also, being black never resulted in a bleeding anus.
obviously, you haven't heard of how some of those southern sherrif's used to use their shotguns.


dear god I hope that's not true.

There is a difference. You can tell if a guy is black or not just by looking at him. But with gays... well, sometimes you can't tell. Plus those pride parades piss me off. All those bright colors and happy people... ick.

Also, being black never resulted in a bleeding anus.

Nothing against gays, just setting the record straight. Pardon the expression. I have a number of gay friends, and I respect their life choices the way I respect anyone elses.
Personally I don't like anal sex, since I'm afraid that it hurts ;) But whatever anyone else likes to do in their bed, is none of my business. The pride parades are to show that gays are happy with their way of life. For many, it's not just about being gay, but about the whole package that sometimes comes with it. Especially as a gay in larger cities, you have a whole different environment compared to the heterosexual "world". Men are naturally more sexually active, that's why gay men almost always think about sex and every good-looking guy is a potential sex object *smirk*

I guess, that is what the heterosexual guys are afraid of.

Other than that, happy people should not be reason to say "ick". Unless of course, you are jealous that they are happy and showing it, and you are not due to living a normal and uneventful life? There's gotta be some reason why happy people annoy you so...

Nah, they mostly just shoot first, ask later. If they bother to ask at all.

I love rednecks. Technically, I am one- tons of manual labor, dropped out of highschool at 16, drives a truck around in the mud, and loves America to death. In some of the most idiotic circles, I would be rejected for who I am. But they don't have to like me- if I have to tolerate them, they have to tolerate me.

It'd be nice if they'd stop tolerating me though, so I could just run 'em over in the Chevy and get it over with.

obviously, you haven't heard of how some of those southern sherrif's used to use their shotguns.


dear god I hope that's not true.
It doubt it is true. Cops usually use night sticks or broom handles for forced sodomy. Its tradition mostly.

it isn't their happiness. It's mostly their flamboyance about it all. Imagine some guy running around yelling about how happy they are after you've been hefting fifty-pound bags of fertilizer or corn for ten hours. It'd get a bit annoying, wouldn't it? Almost make me pick one of those bags back up again... to use as a flail, or possibly just chuck it at em....

Seriously, I have no problem with gay people.

it isn't their happiness. It's mostly their flamboyance about it all. Imagine some guy running around yelling about how happy they are ....

ummkay... I am now finding it extremely hard to take you seriously.

Whatever. I don't care enough... to be perfectly honest...

I'm me. That's all I am. Whether you love me, hate me, take me seriously, or not, I fail to care.

it isn't their happiness. It's mostly their flamboyance about it all. Imagine some guy running around yelling about how happy they are after you've been hefting fifty-pound bags of fertilizer or corn for ten hours. It'd get a bit annoying, wouldn't it? Almost make me pick one of those bags back up again... to use as a flail, or possibly just chuck it at em....

Seriously, I have no problem with gay people.
Your reaction implies that you indeed have a problem with gay people. If not with their sexuality, but for their courage to proudly exclaim that their way of life is not less worthy than that of heterosexuals. If gays had the same rights as heterosexuals - and that means *all* rights - then such parades would not be necessary. Otherwise people might get the impression that gays are something remote that does not concern them. Something in the big cities, that they do not need to concern themselves with. But the opposite is true. Discrimination concerns everyone and should be fought. The gay pride parades mean to remind everyone that gays are not a small silent minority that accepts it's 2nd class role in society.

I do believe he was joking.

Also, being black never resulted in a bleeding anus.


You do know that many straight couples also have anal sex ;) ?

To the original question: explain to them that many people in the world cannot accept it, based on books written by men claiming to be conveying the words of an invisible being whose existence, benevolence and worthyness of following are indetermined and debateable.

Well.. actually, I expect him to have read the bible and the Qu'ran by that time and know these things already. If he had chosen a faith that condems him I would try to offer support..

Whatever. I don't care enough... to be perfectly honest...

I'm me. That's all I am. Whether you love me, hate me, take me seriously, or not, I fail to care.

What I meant was centered around the 'running around being annoyingly happy' gay thing. I know a lot of gay guys and only the rare uber-flamer might behave like that *if* they drank too much. Lotsa gay guys are so butch you'd never dream they're gay.

Oooh, vultures. Get out the shotguns.

Humor seems wasted on most people these days, doesn't it?

I did not state it had to be a gay really happy guy running around shouting about how happy he was after my long day at work to annoy me, it merely had to be a really happy guy. Oh my, I used a horrible politically incorrect term preferencing males over females. Time for me to be crucified now. Should I use the oak cross or the maple cross? Maybe instead of carrying it, I can simply put it in my truck?

That should produce interesting results. Funny how some people can still get p.o.ed at you even when you agree with them on important issues and have no problem with their choices.

Actually, i have noticed most of the gay men I've seen seem rather buff. But most of that is "muscle" gained in the gym- supposed to look cool, but not be necessarilly useful. I arm-wrestled my friend lance the other day- yes, he is gay- and he's got enormous arms. But I flattened him. Why? Because I excercise practically, not just for looks.

Kinda like sports cars. They look neat, but trucks go way better off road.

And no, I'm not saying all gays are really pushovers, for the extremely, extremely sensitive out there.

Why is it that people want to continuely talk about gay people? Before all this gay controversy came up, did you hear heterosexuals making threads on how they should be treated? No.

Jeez, I live around San Fran, and people just can't get enough of this...I don't hate gay people, but why do I have to continuely hear about your plights? Is this topic so important that we have to take focus off things that truely matter? You lived without marriage many years...now the world is in an uproar of sh*t and you got to bring that subject to the lime light as though the average american gives a f*ck. What do you think they're think about?

Whether you get to be Mr and Mr or whether the central bank is lending far too much and the dollar is running thin...or the war in Iraq...or social security...or medicare...or a dozen other things that could actually mean life or death.

To the neocons and the lefties...just let it go. Move on to the real important things and don't get stuck on this speed bump.

i give him/her my support
i never forget that he/she is part of my body, blood of my blood

Straight to the Navy that should Straighten them out. :rolleyes:

Differently.

If gays had the same rights as heterosexuals - and that means *all* rights - then such parades would not be necessary.
*quoted for emphasis* I know in Sydney the Mardi Gras started out as basically a protest, so that explains a lot doesn't it?

Why is it that people want to continuely talk about gay people? Before all this gay controversy came up, did you hear heterosexuals making threads on how they should be treated? No..

ahem..these threads are nearly always started by straight people

ahem..these threads are nearly always started by straight people

I know...thus the rest of my message and 'why is it that people want to continuely talk about gay people?'

It was addressed to anyone and everyone...even the neocons if you look all the way through it.

Probably with ice cream! ice cream is always a nice treat!!!

Why is it that people want to continuely talk about gay people? Before all this gay controversy came up, did you hear heterosexuals making threads on how they should be treated? No.

Jeez, I live around San Fran, and people just can't get enough of this...I don't hate gay people, but why do I have to continuely hear about your plights? Is this topic so important that we have to take focus off things that truely matter? You lived without marriage many years...now the world is in an uproar of sh*t and you got to bring that subject to the lime light as though the average american gives a f*ck. What do you think they're think about?

Whether you get to be Mr and Mr or whether the central bank is lending far too much and the dollar is running thin...or the war in Iraq...or social security...or medicare...or a dozen other things that could actually mean life or death.

To the neocons and the lefties...just let it go. Move on to the real important things and don't get stuck on this speed bump.

Half the time these boards are started in reaction to a republican "No gay marriage" board or something. People seem to enjoy flinging shit at us for talking about being gay when their not prepared to fling shit at people for talking about being straight and how much better it is. Same with feminism.

I know what you mean though. I'm gay and I would prefer not to see so many boards that would like to identify my whole personality over the fact I'm gay. I often wonder why straight people are so obsessed though...

in the unlikely event of me having children, it would be a wee bit odd if i were to shun them for being gay

I'd treat them like the asshole kid ive inevitably raised, gay or not. They'd probably be on the street at 16 before they got to come out to me. Fucking kids. Wheres my stick?

in the unlikely event of me having children, it would be a wee bit odd if i were to shun them for being gay

I'd beat 'em bug ugly with a hairbrush for being younger and better looking than me, thus my competition. :mad:

Either way, I'd try to squirm out of paying for the wedding. It could come in real handy with a daughter. "No, let her parents pay for the wedding. You get to be the groom."

I'd probably feel a lot better about my child telling me he's a homosexual than if he didn't and I read about it in a suicide note because he was ashamed of what I might think of him.

But then again, I AM the crazy one here. :p

My own opinion is not the one my Son should worry about, tbh I could care less as to his sexual orientation. Its my missus and her family that he would have the trouble with... This is the problem when you marry into a deeply religious family when your own background is largly non denominational... If he did come to me, I would be very worried for him regarding their actions.

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?


I can only speculate what I would do, being I don't have any kids and haven't been put in that situation. But when I was younger my parents use to threaten to disown me if I ever dated outside my race. I never appreciated that and rebelled against them simply for them threateneing me I believe.

It still bothers me at the age of 30 that they would even imply such a thing to thier own child. Looking back at alot of things they did, how they thought and acted.. I think they didn't know any better and were down right ignorant in knowing how to raise a child.

So by me knowing how it feels and how it has effected me being threatened of not being loved if I did this or that.. I Hope I would do the right thing, and tell them I will love them no matter who they choose to date, marry etc.

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?

My child didn't have to "come out". I could already tell. And it doesn't make any difference.

And just because I'm observant and caring doesn't make me any better than anyone else. It doesn't entitle me to be on Oprah, or to write a book giving other people advice on how to raise their children.

I would not tolerate it. I would kick them out of the family. No longer would they be welcome in my home. No holiday dinners, birthdays, and family gatherings. I would totally disown them, heck I wouldn't even go to their funerals when they would die from the AIDs.

I would not tolerate it. I would kick them out of the family. No longer would they be welcome in my home. No holiday dinners, birthdays, and family gatherings. I would totally disown them, heck I wouldn't even go to their funerals when they would die from the AIDs.
But you can always have in mind that it was your genes that made them gay ;) (that or if you think it is a moral lack ... which I don’t agree with) then it was how you rased them ;)

I would not tolerate it. I would kick them out of the family. No longer would they be welcome in my home. No holiday dinners, birthdays, and family gatherings. I would totally disown them, heck I wouldn't even go to their funerals when they would die from the AIDs.

"when they die from the AIDs."

I should probably be offended by that, but I'm laughing too hard to care.

But you can always have in mind that it was your genes that made them gay ;) (that or if you think it is a moral lack ... which I dont agree with) then it was how you razed them ;)
why would you want to do a terrible thing like that? :eek:

i'd probably discipline them... i'd be upset, not the fact that they were gay... but the fact they had lied to the rest of the family for such a long time. there's absolutely no excuse for lying or leading a double life and if they don't understand that they should.

why would you want to do a terrible thing like that? :eek:
Fixed :-D

i'd probably discipline them... i'd be upset, not the fact that they were gay... but the fact they had lied to the rest of the family for such a long time. there's absolutely no excuse for lying or leading a double life and if they don't understand that they should.

Oh, come now. Do you expect "I'm gay" to be the first words out of his/her mouth? Sexuality takes a while to come to terms with.

I think it's a pretty good excuse for leading a double life, that our world is full of bigotry and hate that might turn your child into an outcast just for how he was born.

by *keeping it secret* they are already making themselves an *outcast* and they are also giving their closest friends and family a reason not to trust them. i have no idea what sort of society/area you come from, but where i live *being gay* isn't a problem. i don't agree with it but it's not my choise. also people aren't born gay, they develop into homosexuals. it's all about enviroment and upbringing. i actually have a friend who is gay and he must have told me after knowing me for say... hmmm a week and a half, it wasn't a problem.

children need to be able to talk to someone and if they can't trust you, their parent of all people. then they need to be told otherwise.

by *keeping it secret* they are already making themselves an *outcast* and they are also giving their closest friends and family a reason not to trust them. i have no idea what sort of society/area you come from, but where i live *being gay* isn't a problem.

But regardless of how nice your area is, coming out is still an incredibly difficult thing to do, and I don't think you appreciate that. Have a little sympathy.

My "area" was cool with it, but it still took me about four years.

also people aren't born gay, they develop into homosexuals.
Thats what you say. Other people, among them scientist and homosexuals, say otherwise, so maybe you should show unrefutable proof or refrain from absolutes. This issue is still undecided.

Anyway, if my still imaginary kids came out to me i would have them attend martial arts classes. Because they might need it.

Sorry but I don't think I could accept it.

Would drive me over the edge so to speak.

Just the way I have been brought up I suppose. :)

also people aren't born gay, they develop into homosexuals. it's all about enviroment and upbringing.
thats not what gay people say

Sorry but I don't think I could accept it.

Would drive me over the edge so to speak.

Just the way I have been brought up I suppose. :)
Fair enough but they will be what they are with or without your approval :)

How would I treat them? Like I treat them now. With all the love in my heart, support,respect,did I mention love? Their sexual preference doesnt make a hill of beans to me as long as they are healthy and happy. They will always be my children and I will always love them and support them....gay or not gay.

How would I treat them? Like I treat them now. With all the love in my heart, support,respect,did I mention love? Their sexual preference doesnt make a hill of beans to me as long as they are healthy and happy. They will always be my children and I will always love them and support them....gay or not gay.
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man, you can tell i'm new to this forum by how hard i find it to understand some peoples attitudes towards anyone different to themselves. although i assume that that johnny wadd guy was kidding. my set of morals is basically: if it doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't hurt anyone.

WHO DOES BEING GAY HURT?

also i saw that some guy said 'my kid wouldn't be gay 'cause i'd raise him proper like a good prejudice idiot'

kids in religious families come out every day. what makes you any better than their parents.
seriously, sometimes i fell like intelligence has rapidly gone out of fashion.

I'm gay and my parents are pretty supportive and it doesn't seem that it makes a difference to them.

I won't lie. It would be difficult to take, at first.

After a while though, I am certain that I would grow to accept it.

man, you can tell i'm new to this forum by how hard i find it to understand some peoples attitudes towards anyone different to themselves. although i assume that that johnny wadd guy was kidding. my set of morals is basically: if it doesn't hurt anyone, it doesn't hurt anyone.



No I was actually serious.

When my mum found out that I was bisexual, she properly hit the roof. She came to the pub where I was with my (now ex-) girlfriend and shouted and pointed and pretty much said that she (my ex) was an abomination and that the whole thing was thoroughly disgusting and abnormal and that I was being led astray etc... etc... that she just didn't understand "the lesbian mentality", that gay people, or more specifically gay sex, was abhorrent and wrong and against nature etc... (all of this in the pub)...

...but she got over it after a bit. We talked, and she kinda came around... now whenever my stepdad starts bitching about how my brother (who is at the same school I went to) has to "put up with" everyone knowing that one of his sisters is bisexual, she sticks up for me.

so it all turned out ok

"Join the club."

When my mum found out that I was bisexual, she properly hit the roof. She came to the pub where I was with my (now ex-) girlfriend and shouted and pointed and pretty much said that she (my ex) was an abomination and that the whole thing was thoroughly disgusting and abnormal and that I was being led astray etc... etc... that she just didn't understand "the lesbian mentality", that gay people, or more specifically gay sex, was abhorrent and wrong and against nature etc... (all of this in the pub)...

...but she got over it after a bit. We talked, and she kinda came around... now whenever my stepdad starts bitching about how my brother (who is at the same school I went to) has to "put up with" everyone knowing that one of his sisters is bisexual, she sticks up for me.

so it all turned out ok
In my neck of the woods having a bisexual sister would make me the most popular kid in school (they would be all trying to get with her) LOL

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?

at first i would say disown them and write out from will
then i would think about it
then my wife would probably force me to apologise :p

I would hug them, and tell them that I still love them just as much as I did before. Our relationship wouldn't change at all. As a matter of fact, the whole situation would probably end up bringing us closer together in the end. Someone's sexual preference shouldn't change who they are as a person and what people think of them. They are still the same person, personality-wise whether they like men or women.

Well, they can't help it, I'd have to just kill them.

Well, they can't help it, I'd have to just kill them.
If they knew this before hand they would probably kill you first ... before they told anyone :rolleyes:

No different then before.....

They would be disowned, like the vermin they are.

I know what you mean though. I'm gay and I would prefer not to see so many boards that would like to identify my whole personality over the fact I'm gay. I often wonder why straight people are so obsessed though...

No insult to you...You have your thing, I have mine. I just wish it wasn't a issue in mainstream America, because it's really nothing in comparison to many other things. America has far too many things to be concerned about.

I know it's mostly the neo-cons posting this on here. I suppose they just have a thing against the whole marriage thing. But personally, most straight people should mind their own business. And personally, I think most gay people should just do the same. If they want change, they should email or write to their state representatives...

Legislation is much more powerful than words. Unfortunately, I think Newsom and politicians like him don't understand that if you don't do it the legit way, you'll make a whole bunch of neo cons jump all over the place, rather than just grubble.

They would be disowned, like the vermin they are.
Why would you want to dispwn somebody? I like pwning them, not dispwning them!

No insult to you...You have your thing, I have mine. I just wish it wasn't a issue in mainstream America, because it's really nothing in comparison to many other things. America has far too many things to be concerned about.

I know it's mostly the neo-cons posting this on here. I suppose they just have a thing against the whole marriage thing. But personally, most straight people should mind their own business. And personally, I think most gay people should just do the same. If they want change, they should email or write to their state representatives...

Legislation is much more powerful than words. Unfortunately, I think Newsom and politicians like him don't understand that if you don't do it the legit way, you'll make a whole bunch of neo cons jump all over the place, rather than just grubble.

Any large institution that relies on people's allegiance has always had to create a scapegoat so that people would turn to the institution in fear of it. In the cold war the government had communism. Now we have terrorism. Pre-civil rights conservative churches were able to scare people into churches by telling them that black people brought crime, poverty and drunkenness with them, and that for some reason their daughters would find themselves powerless to resist those black sexual wiles. They'd complain about those liberals trying to force you to accept the n____ race into your reteraunts, swimming pools, etc (ok, that was Strom Thurmond, but the churches did the same).

Well, that sort of crap is considered a bit declasse these days so now they're trying to scare the sheep into thinking that gays bring with them drugs, STD's, and your sons will be powerless to resist their sexual wiles. It's how churches create their identities and keep people from figuring out how worthless they are. This is especially important for protestant religions which are based on the idea that you can read the bible for yourself and don't need a church to teach you what right and wrong are.

I'm proud to be a lesbian, and if I were to have a kid and he/she would turn out to be a homosexual, I'd give them a pat on the back and wish them the best of luck in finding the best possible mate that they can, just as I would do if they'd turn out to be heterosexual or bisexual. But I'm never going to have kids willingly, so it'll probably never be an issue.
Homosexuals deserve to be treated like everybody else and the damn Church needs to get its head out of its ass and realize that people are going to continue to have their own opinions. Because you know what people who try to force others to convert to their views are called, regardless of the method they use? Terrorists. You know what the Church tries to do? Force everybody to convert their opinion to that of "homosexuality is EVIL!" You know what that makes the Catholic Church and those who devoutly follow it? Terrorists.

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?
I would probably still nag this hypothetical kid to find someone nice to settle down with. The only difference is I wouldn't have to convince a straight kid to find a suitable surrogate/sperm donor so I can have some grandkids.

I would treat them no exactly the same. He/She is still my child, and I would love them no matter what their sexuality may be.

I would treat it with varnish for a shiny finish....

Exactly the same, except on it's 18th, I'd have to get the correct gender of hilariously overweight stripper in.

I would have them stand in front of my house and scare Jehovah's Witnesses away.

I would go on a jihad, of course.
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I would kill myself after having to watch "what not to wear" in my old age. :(

Fair enough but they will be what they are with or without your approval :)

Very true, I was speaking from the perspective of what I would think of them and how it would be accepted by me, if they turn gay there is not alot I could do about it.

I would have them stand in front of my house and scare Jehovah's Witnesses away.
Nows THATS what i call good thinking.

I would treat them like my child. I would also tell them that they were in for a lot of pain when they got out into the world but that honor and courage should guide their lives. And also to avoid the mustache parade every year but I would never explain why so they would have something to be confused about and maybe resentful toward me when they got older.

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?

Other than expressing my concern over possible health issues (and not as a constant nagging thing either, just the once, probably) I'd treat them absolutely the same way I always had. They'd still be the same person -- it would just be my perception of them that had changed.

Well if they came out while a sexually active teen I'd be very pleased. It would mean no chance of them getting pregnant/getting their girlfriend pregnant accidently.

In general though I'd hope I'd be okay with it. I don't see the problem with it now so I don't see how I'd develop a problem with it between now and then. I think I'd just try and pursuade them to adopt kids so that I could have grandchildren to spoil :p

Homosexuals deserve to be treated like everybody else and the damn Church needs to get its head out of its ass and realize that people are going to continue to have their own opinions...." You know what that makes the Catholic Church and those who devoutly follow it? Terrorists.

Ok, I agreed with everything you wrote until your last two sentences. As a Catholic, I have to say I think that calling me a terrorist is hardly fair and definitely untrue.

here is his/her place

http://www.cafepress.com/thewhitehouse.13658475?zoom=yes#zoom

Ok, I agreed with everything you wrote until your last two sentences. As a Catholic, I have to say I think that calling me a terrorist is hardly fair and definitely untrue.
well, to be fair, the Catholic Church is engaging in deliberate genocide at this very moment by knowingly distributing flat-out lies regarding the effectiveness of condoms at preventing AIDS. i don't know if that counts as "terrorism," but (in my opinion) it puts them on the same level as terrorists. you personally might not be engaging in these activities, but if you financially contribute to the Catholic Church then i have to admit i see you as a contributer to their acts.

I'm not planning on having kids - irrelevent *g*

Although... if being gay is environmental, how would that explain me being a raging dyke (Mardi Gras on Saturday YAY!) and my brother being straight as a ruler? We're not genetically identical (obviously!) but we DID have the EXACT same upbringing.

Okay, maybe not exact. My brother was treated like a tough little boy, and I was treated like a delicate little girl. My father's fairly conservative (thankfully his sorry arse is out the door) and my Mum's more open-minded but not particularly militant in her views. I always had plenty of dresses and dolls. So I should be straight... right? ;)

I'm not planning on having kids - irrelevent *g*

Although... if being gay is environmental, how would that explain me being a raging dyke (Mardi Gras on Saturday YAY!) and my brother being straight as a ruler? We're not genetically identical (obviously!) but we DID have the EXACT same upbringing.

Okay, maybe not exact. My brother was treated like a tough little boy, and I was treated like a delicate little girl. My father's fairly conservative (thankfully his sorry arse is out the door) and my Mum's more open-minded but not particularly militant in her views. I always had plenty of dresses and dolls. So I should be straight... right? ;)

:eek: You had a mother AND a father?!? No wonder you're so screwed up. ;)

:eek: You had a mother AND a father?!? No wonder you're so screwed up. ;)

Wait, which one did you have?

Wait, which one did you have?

Well, I started out with a mother and a father. Or so I have been led to believe by sex ed classes. Most of my formative years were spent with a mother only. Later I had a step father whom I am rather distant with.

And look how I turned out. :D

Well, I started out with a mother and a father. Or so I have been led to believe by sex ed classes. Most of my formative years were spent with a mother only. Later I had a step father whom I am rather distant with.

And look how I turned out. :D

disliking your step father is soooooo cliche :p

If I remember correctly, you turned your violent streak into a humour streak. I've done the same thing, only I did it earlier and to a lesser effect (I'm now not violent and only mildly funny.)

*wants to go to Mardi Gras*

*stamps foot*

disliking your step father is soooooo cliche :p

If I remember correctly, you turned your violent streak into a humour streak. I've done the same thing, only I did it earlier and to a lesser effect (I'm now not violent and only mildly funny.)

Dislike is a bit strong. Just distant.

Indeed I did. I had a wicked temper. And you have a good memory. *nod*

Dislike is a bit strong. Just distant.

Indeed I did. I had a wicked temper. And you have a good memory. *nod*

I actually wrote 'hating' and then thought it was a bit harsh and changed it :( . I have a friend who refers to her 'family' being according to her, "my dad, younger sister, older brother and that bitch" The later being her dads partner after her mother died several years ago :(

on a lighter note, something in this room just started beeping and I'm not sure what :confused:

on the topic, i wouldnt treat them any different. they would recieve the same amount of support as any other child i would have

I actually wrote 'hating' and then thought it was a bit harsh and changed it :( . I have a friend who refers to her 'family' being according to her, "my dad, younger sister, older brother and that bitch" The later being her dads partner after her mother died several years ago :(

on a lighter note, something in this room just started beeping and I'm not sure what :confused:

Overreact. Run out of the house screaming. It'll be fun. :)

Overreact. Run out of the house screaming. It'll be fun. :)

heheh could do. It stoped, I think it was coming from the smoke alarm, but it was kind of quiet and there doesn't seem to be any sort of fire going on. Maybe its the low battery warning or something. :confused: I'm not sure how pleased my sleeping family would be if I ran out of the house screaming. I'm trying to stay on their good side as much as I can, as it means living here for free and using my dads car. I'll go flatting at some stage, but I'm mooching for a bit longer.

heheh could do. It stoped, I think it was coming from the smoke alarm, but it was kind of quiet and there doesn't seem to be any sort of fire going on. Maybe its the low battery warning or something. :confused: I'm not sure how pleased my sleeping family would be if I ran out of the house screaming. I'm trying to stay on their good side as much as I can, as it means living here for free and using my dads car. I'll go flatting at some stage, but I'm mooching for a bit longer.

:eek: Egad. No wonder you're so screwed up!

Doesn't anybody have a normal upbringing anymore? *sigh*

:eek: Egad. No wonder you're so screwed up!

Doesn't anybody have a normal upbringing anymore? *sigh*

Nope, I'm one of the freaks whos parents are still together :( We even eat dinner around the table with napkins like you see on TV, no matter how much I insist we sit on the couch watching TV like a normal family.

Same way as I would treat any child. What does it matter?
I agree :)

on the topic, i wouldnt treat them any different. they would recieve the same amount of support as any other child i would have

Agreed

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It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?
As most Albertans I support the person but NOT the lifestyle. One of my bestfriends sons has just come out and I still like and support him and his boyfriend but that does not mean that I am going to be marching in any gay pride parades or supporting them getting married legally.

As most Albertans I support the person but NOT the lifestyle. One of my bestfriends sons has just come out and I still like and support him and his boyfriend but that does not mean that I am going to be marching in any gay pride parades or supporting them getting married legally.
i agree with the first part. things like gay pride and other 'minority' parades are starting to become a joke, and seem to be trying to provoke a reaction. on the other hand, i do support their right to be legally married. since marrage is almost treated like a joke these days by hetrosexuals, it would be good to see a couple that would make it a lasting union, instead of the old 'trip to los vegas, get married, then divorce 6 months later'.... or in some cases later that night.

Proper upbringin' looks something like this.

A bit' o makin' the kids work, yes by work I mean liftin' the heavy loads and helpin' clean.

Lots of steak & chicken to grow some muscle, eat the veggies too so you don't get sick, drink milk so yer bones don't break, no candy unless ye buy it yerself. That helps cut back on kids turnin' into piggies if they have to buy it themselves.

Schoolin' of some kind. But if they'd rather not do schoolin' till they graduate high school, don't make 'em. We all learn the important lessons of life anyway- honesty and hard work, shuttin' up when it's best to shut up, respectin' folks who are older than ye, and doin' unto others what you'd want them doin' to you.

A job o' some kind, so instead of whinin' at their momma or their daddy to buy them somethin', they can learn how it's gonna work when they're on their own and they have to buy everything for themselves.

Some good times spent with their dad out learnin' to hunt, fish, play sports, and the ways of the land.

At least three months with no technology, just a tent and a knife, out in the mountains. It turned me from a boy to a man in three months flat. Yes, yer a bit hungry and exhausted at first. But then you grow strong, lean, smart, and in-tune with God's wilderness.

Some church, synagogue, mosque, whatever. Get some love of God into those kids. Not hatred using religion as an excuse. Religion's for gettin' us into heaven and makin' us feel nice without havin' ter smoke anything. Not for hatin'.

Learnin' how to play the guitar. Not all that crappy classical stuff, but how to play the guitar and write yer own songs. Nothin' beats writin' yer own song.

A good dog, one that's smart and big and beautiful, that loves the outdoors and ain't gun-shy, who'll fetch the duck without eatin' it, who won't bark at a 12-point buck, who you can trust to sleep at the end o' the bed.

Good friends, who also know the outdoors and the simple pleasures of life, who you can play football and go fishin' with, who live within a few miles, so it's only a short walk to go have some fun.

Way I see it, we've got a bunch o' morons whose parents bought 'em everything runnin' the whole show, hell I respect Bush as the president but he sure as hell didn't do it all on his own. We got a bunch o' idiots who whine constantly 'bout the environment but they've never planted a field o' corn, only two or three trees which they trample anyway in their demonstrations, so they don't know nothin' about what it really takes to keep the grass green. We see a bunch o' morons yappin' bout hows they needs to be given special rights on account o' they a different color or religion or sexual orientation, but when you get right down to the fact that we're all here together whether we like it or not and rights don't mean dick when you're out seein' God's wilderness first-hand. People shouldn't be freakin' about trees, but we should all know the outdoors. When we get out of touch with the land we grew up on, and reject the lands of God for corporate high-rises and abortion clinics and those disgustin' modern arts schools, we get out o' touch with what's really important. Who cares if the kid's gay, the main things are- is he honest? Does he work hard? Does he love his Country and thank God every day for what he's got? The measure of a man ain't his sexual preference or his race or any o that other political correctness horse crap, it's whether he's a man who's got some decency in him, who does what's right even when no one else is lookin'. It's called integrity. And nature shows you that, that's what God built it for, so we could learn from it. The deer eat the grass whether yer' watchin or not, they don't have anything to hide. It doesn't take too much to look out the windows o the high rise and see the birds feedin' their young, or to go out to a lake and catch a fish. We should all stop bein' so worried about the little things, because they're all little things.

That's how God made it.

you really like your SUV dont you?

I'm just going to make one post, my answer, and then that'll likely be all, since I don't want to get drawn into, or provoke, a big argument.

I'd simply point to the door and say one word, "bye" and that's all.

I'm just going to make one post, my answer, and then that'll likely be all, since I don't want to get drawn into, or provoke, a big argument.

I'd simply point to the door and say one word, "bye" and that's all.


wow- I cant believe youd turn you own child away. If your reason for that is because you think its a sin, then looks like you would minister to them and let them know you love them unconditionally. Or just accept them for who they are.

Your own flesh, and ye'd turn him out on account o he's a bit diff'rent then you. That takes a man without a heart. It really does. I'd never do that to my kid, not even if he saluted the Nazi flag. He'd still be my son, and I'd love him anyway.

One of my sons is gay. I noticed it a long time ago. There was no "coming out" - it's just the way he is.

I don't see it as "sin". It's just the way he is.

wow- I cant believe youd turn you own child away. If your reason for that is because you think its a sin, then looks like you would minister to them and let them know you love them unconditionally. Or just accept them for who they are.


I'm a Calvinist, we believe if somebody is gay, it's a very, very, infinite sign of their reprobation. Homosexuality, to a Calvinist, is a sign of predestination to damnation to hell, there is nothing that can save them, they won't even be allowed to repent because God won't allow for it.

I hope that clears things up for you on that matter.

I'd never do that to my kid, not even if he saluted the Nazi flag. He'd still be my son, and I'd love him anyway.



I'd remind him he's an American and tell him to support pure Americanism and get off the nazi foreign stuff.

If he got mixed in with the communists, then it'd be a sign he didn't have the right inclinations (since most Nazis are obviously right-wing folks, they just support a dead foreign system, which is wrong, you have to support your own nation)

I'm a Calvinist, we believe if somebody is gay, it's a very, very, infinite sign of their reprobation. Homosexuality, to a Calvinist, is a sign of predestination to damnation to hell, there is nothing that can save them, they won't even be allowed to repent because God won't allow for it.

I hope that clears things up for you on that matter.


I won't flame yeh because I don't like gettin' flamed, and i respect religions above all else. But still, you might need this...

*hands you several fire extinguishers*

See, with the system I outlined fer raisin' em, he wouldn't s'pport the nazis or the commies. Communism's evil and the polar opposite of what the US of A is all about, Naziism's just evil and flat-out stupid. That's how I was raised, that's how my kid's bein' raised, that's how my dad and my gramps and my great-gramps, and all them before through to the origin o' the family name. It's how we do it. And we all turn out good.

I'm a Calvinist, we believe if somebody is gay, it's a very, very, infinite sign of their reprobation. Homosexuality, to a Calvinist, is a sign of predestination to damnation to hell, there is nothing that can save them, they won't even be allowed to repent because God won't allow for it.

I hope that clears things up for you on that matter.


No, I just wouldnt let my religious beliefs allow me to exile my children. I will always love them and be there for them no matter who or what they are.

how my dad and my gramps and my great-gramps, and all them before through to the origin o' the family name.

Hahaha. Your ancestors must have had extraordinary premonitionary abilities for hundreds of years to effectively pre-empt both Facism and Communism!

"Don't forget, Communism is evil!"
"What's Communism?"
"Well it won't be around for another 250 years, but it's evil!"
"How do you know that?"
"I am Superman."
"Who's Superman?"
...

No, the previous page I had a whole system o' Proper upbringin'.

I could imagine the look on great-gramps' face though. "What's communism, father? Is it a new crop?"

Ok, I wasn't going to weigh in on this, but I've changed my mind.

My children will always be my children. They will always be able to say, with complete honesty, "My dad loves me unconditionally." They may do things that make me weep. They may make wrong decisions. They may choose an entirely different path for their lives than the one I chose for myself. They may reject my values. They may even reject me.

They are still my children and I will always, always love them regardless.

Will I try to counsel them on their choices? Of course. Will I express my concerns about the paths they choose? Most definitely. Will I allow them to live with the consequences of their choices? Yes, although their mother would probably denounce me. Will I ever renounce them? Probably not.

There are only a very few things they could possibly do that would make me disown them; turning on their mother, betraying their family or nation, molesting or killing a child, are some of the reasons I might turn my back on them, but maybe not even then. Would I still love them, even though they did some of these things? Yes, although my heart would be crushed. I know my children, and would like to believe they would never do any of those things, but even if they did I would still always love them.

Please note that "being gay," choosing a different political outlook, or having an abortion ( all hotly debated issues on here ) are not among the list of things for which I would disown my children.

This, my friends, is what love is really all about ... when you love someone so much that there's virtually nothing which could destroy that love. That is how I feel about my children. And it's one of the primary reasons I have strong, self-confident, happy children. :)

wow- I cant believe youd turn you own child away. If your reason for that is because you think its a sin, then looks like you would minister to them and let them know you love them unconditionally. Or just accept them for who they are.

Well, having read the attitude that VoteEarly projects in the forum.. if he is REALLY that way in real life...

I don't think we are going to need to worry about he might treat his 'children'.

If I have a kid, they are going to learn to be decent human beings. They will learn not to stay out late in bad neighborhoods and will learn how to respect others, even if others decide not to respect them.

If they are gay, they will be treated the same as if they are straight. I might have to let them know in a bit more detail of how many hardships they will have if they are gay, but they won't be enduring any hardships for me.

That said, I don't quite believe in unconditional love. If I have a kid who's a serial killer, then he can damn well bet that I will testify against him in court and see to it that he spends the rest of his life behind bars.

If I have a kid, they are going to learn to be decent human beings. They will learn not to stay out late in bad neighborhoods and will learn how to respect others, even if others decide not to respect them.

If they are gay, they will be treated the same as if they are straight. I might have to let them know in a bit more detail of how many hardships they will have if they are gay, but they won't be enduring any hardships for me.

That said, I don't quite believe in unconditional love. If I have a kid who's a serial killer, then he can damn well bet that I will testify against him in court and see to it that he spends the rest of his life behind bars.
I would also testify as witness against any of my children, in the unlikely event they did something illegal, but I would still love them.

I would kick him out the house and tell him not to come back

There are plenty of people here who are very proud about their distaste of homosexuals. They won't be afraid to say they'd disown their child.


I wouldn't disown him/her..., i would just get him/her rehabilitated complete with a psychologist and such.

Yes i'm actually serious about that.

I wouldn't disown him/her..., i would just get him/her rehabilitated complete with a psychologist and such.

So you'd, um, basically brainwash your kid rather than accept him/her?

So you'd, um, basically brainwash your kid rather than accept him/her?


Yup, may be strange to you, but to me that is good parenting.

Plus it's not like a severe brainwashing, it's just normalizing his/her sexuality.

Well, having read the attitude that VoteEarly projects in the forum.. if he is REALLY that way in real life...

I don't think we are going to need to worry about he might treat his 'children'.

Although a license is not needed to reproduce, I've never met a woman who would listen to that sort of attitude, and I run in some very conservative circles.

Unless you're going to donate to a sperm bank, you usually need the consent of a woman (if you're a man) in order to reproduce.

You also need to have sex - which might fall into the reprobate category.

Yup, may be strange to you, but to me that is good parenting.

Plus it's not like a severe brainwashing, it's just normalizing his/her sexuality.
Although the proof isn't 100%, there's evidence of a genetic component to homosexuality. Counseling is seldom effective.

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?
I'd show my support, and treat him/her the same as before. It might make me a little uncomfortable at first, but that's my problem, not my kid's.

Although a license is not needed to reproduce, I've never met a woman who would listen to that sort of attitude, and I run in some very conservative circles.
You might be surprised. There are even women who are attracted to serial killers! :(

I'd show my support, and treat him/her the same as before. It might make me a little uncomfortable at first, but that's my problem, not my kid's.
Good for you! :D

You might be surprised. There are even women who are attracted to serial killers! :(

That still doesn't get him past the "sex" part. Not sure if you can have sex and not be reprobate.

Unless you don't enjoy it at all, perhaps.

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?

I would cast him/her out into the night and tell them not to come back.

That still doesn't get him past the "sex" part. Not sure if you can have sex and not be reprobate.

Unless you don't enjoy it at all, perhaps.
Hmmm. Well, not being familiar with the poster you mentioned, I would have to agree.

I would cast him/her out into the night and tell them not to come back.
That only makes me question whether you loved your child in the first place. :(

It's a cliche question, I know, but it must be asked. What would you do if your child came out to you as a homosexual one day?

Give him/her a list of gay bars

Although the proof isn't 100%, there's evidence of a genetic component to homosexuality. Counseling is seldom effective.


There's supposed to be lots of genetic components on lots of things... it may be proven one day, that the gene for homosexuality is actually a mutation..an active one, but technically still a mutation. Time can only tell.

Give him/her a list of gay bars
OMG! Just because you love your child doesn't mean you have to encourage them to be promiscuous! :(

That said, I don't quite believe in unconditional love. If I have a kid who's a serial killer, then he can damn well bet that I will testify against him in court and see to it that he spends the rest of his life behind bars.


If my kid killed somebody, a great deal would depend on who/why/how, etc. Killing can be justified. And if I thought he was right to do it, I'd lie under oath to try to get him off, if it got that far (I'd initially try to help him cover it all up)

If my kid raped, I'd kill him myself, that's never justifiable.

it may be proven one day, that the gene for homosexuality is actually a mutation..an active one, but technically still a mutation.

So is being a redhead.

There's supposed to be lots of genetic components on lots of things... it may be proven one day, that the gene for homosexuality is actually a mutation..an active one, but technically still a mutation. Time can only tell.
When and if that happens, the question then becomes, should it be considered a "defective" gene and should gene therepy be instituted? Talk about a conundrum! :eek:

If my kid killed somebody, a great deal would depend on who/why/how, etc. Killing can be justified. And if I thought he was right to do it, I'd lie under oath to try to get him off, if it got that far (I'd initially try to help him cover it all up)

If my kid raped, I'd kill him myself, that's never justifiable.
Sigh. Neither option would display your love for your child, IMHO.

All gays should be chopped up and used for fertilzer. Should one my children choose to go gay - and it is a choice - then I'd be certain to use them in my own yard as a sympathtic gesture. :headbang:

Hey, I'm pretty sure that if you got a ghey man to hang alone, in a locked room, with women like the ones we see on the chick thread that will try to turn him straight, then he might get those "straight instincts" and maybe even turn straight. Being ghey is not an instinct, but being straight is, so I'm pretty sure it would work.

OMG! Just because you love your child doesn't mean you have to encourage them to be promiscuous! :(


How is that encouraging them to be promiscusous? And what is wrong with being promiscuous anyway? Gay bars are one of the best places to meet other gay people. Well if they already had a lover then I wouldnt give them ideas as to where to meet someone. And I really wouldnt just point them towards bars but gay events, if they didnt already know where to go. I was basically saying with my short statement , that I would accept them no matter what they desire to do or be and encourage them to follow their hearts.

But no matter as I will never have kids. I have no inclination to do have kids and the thought of it makes me somewhat ill.

Hey, I'm pretty sure that if you got a man to hang alone, in a locked room, with s like the ones we see on the thread that will try to turn him straight, then he might get those "straight instincts" and maybe even turn straight. Being is not an instinct, but being straight is, so I'm pretty sure it would work.
The certainty of your opinions is exceeded only by their lack of reality orientation. :(

How is that encouraging them to be promiscusous? And what is wrong with being promiscuous anyway? Gay bars are one of the best places to meet other gay people. Well if they already had a lover then I wouldnt give them ideas as to where to meet someone. And I really wouldnt just point them towards bars but gay events, if they didnt already know where to go. I was basically saying with my short statement , that I would accept them no matter what they desire to do or be and encourage them to follow their hearts.

But no matter as I will never have kids. I have no inclination to do have kids and the thought of it makes me somewhat ill.
Oh. Well then the point is moot. :)

Sigh. Neither option would display your love for your child, IMHO.


I think being willing to commit perjury for a child would show love for them. I'd also be open to the idea of perjury for the sake of my wife, should I have one someday.

It doesn't matter if you're lying to ungodly authorities if you're advancing the cause of righteousness. Indeed God would command an Elect to lie under oath, to get a fellow Elect off, if the court was run by non-Elect.

All gays should be chopped up and used for fertilzer. Should one my children choose to go gay - and it is a choice - then I'd be certain to use them in my own yard as a sympathtic gesture. :headbang:


hmmm so if it is a choice in your mind then you must have chosen to go straight and avoided your sexual lust of other men.

The certainty of your opinions is exceeded only by their lack of reality orientation. :(

Ok, look. You have the instinct to eat right? Well, every man has this instinct that tells him to make love to a Woman If a straight woman tried to turn him straight, he would realize his instincts again, and then... :fluffle:

Hey, I'm pretty sure that if you got a ghey man to hang alone, in a locked room, with women like the ones we see on the chick thread that will try to turn him straight, then he might get those "straight instincts" and maybe even turn straight. Being ghey is not an instinct, but being straight is, so I'm pretty sure it would work.

Yeah, I'm sure that explains why that works in prison. Lock two men up who are not gay when they go in, and after 5 years, they're boning each other up the ass. Yeah, being straight is one hell of an instinct.

Ok, look. You have the instinct to eat right? Well, every man has this instinct that tells him to make love to a Woman
Stop right there. Nope. Wrong.

1. I think being willing to commit perjury for a child would show love for them. I'd also be open to the idea of perjury for the sake of my wife, should I have one someday.

2. It doesn't matter if you're lying to ungodly authorities if you're advancing the cause of righteousness. Indeed God would command an Elect to lie under oath, to get a fellow Elect off, if the court was run by non-Elect.
1. I taught my children to be honest. How then can I display dishonesty to them?

2. This is wrong on so many different levels that I would hijack the thread by getting into it with you. :(

Ok, look. You have the instinct to eat right? Well, every man has this instinct that tells him to make love to a Woman If a straight woman tried to turn him straight, he would realize his instincts again, and then... :fluffle:



lmfao! parody right? please say yes.

Ok, look. You have the instinct to eat right? Well, every man has this instinct that tells him to make love to a Woman If a straight woman tried to turn him straight, he would realize his instincts again, and then... :fluffle:
There are examples of homosexual behavior in animals. Did they choose to be gay???

Stop right there. Nope. Wrong.

Sex, and in particular, getting off, is instinctual. That's why throughout history, men who are isolated (in prison, on sea voyages, in combat) for months often resort to homosexuality - even if they are predominantly heterosexual.

Homosexuals can't be "converted" to hetero unless they were bi to begin with. And then you're not converting them - you're just giving them another chance to get off.

Hey, I'm pretty sure that if you got a man to hang alone, in a locked room, with women like the ones we see on the chick thread that will try to turn him straight, then he might get those "straight instincts" and maybe even turn straight. Being ghey is not an instinct, but being straight is, so I'm pretty sure it would work.

Bullshit. I went to a Performing Arts College, which had a large number of both gays and hot chicks. You can't change a person's orientation unless you brainwash them, (which I think is wrong).

Homosexual people think exactly like straight people do regarding their sexuality. People can't just snap their fingers and become "straight" or "gay", it's born within them. Think about it, can you help seeing a hot chick and instantly thinking "damn she is fine"? It works the same way with homosexuals, they see a hot guy/girl (respective to their gender), and they are interested.

BTW, animals have homosexuals as well. This is hardly a specifically human phenomenon.

i would stab myself 3.14 times and eat a pie

Sex, and in particular, getting off, is instinctual. That's why throughout history, men who are isolated (in prison, on sea voyages, in combat) for months often resort to homosexuality - even if they are predominantly heterosexual.

Homosexuals can't be "converted" to hetero unless they were bi to begin with. And then you're not converting them - you're just giving them another chance to get off.
ROFLMAO!!! Coudn't have said it better myself! :D

All gays should be chopped up and used for fertilzer. Should one my children choose to go gay - and it is a choice - then I'd be certain to use them in my own yard as a sympathtic gesture. :headbang:
How do you know it's a choice? Have you run an experiment? Here's one for you to try. Buy some gay porn, try to jerk off to it. If you can't, it's not a choice. If you can, you're gay.

Ok, look. You have the instinct to eat right? Well, every man has this instinct that tells him to make love to a Woman If a straight woman tried to turn him straight, he would realize his instincts again, and then... :fluffle:
you couldnt be more wrong....

Or Bi-Sexual.

How do you know it's a choice? Have you run an experiment? Here's one for you to try. Buy some gay porn, try to jerk off to it. If you can't, it's not a choice. If you can, you're gay.
Aahahahahahahahhaha! Priceless! :D

How do you know it's a choice? Have you run an experiment? Here's one for you to try. Buy some gay porn, try to jerk off to it. If you can't, it's not a choice. If you can, you're gay.

Better yet.

You say you're hetero, right?

And I bet you like porn - not just girl-on-girl stuff, but a real man really giving it to a woman with a really big, hard....

oops...

and you really have to have terrific cum shots in your porn....

oops...

could it be? that deep down inside you're really...

could it be? that deep down inside you're really...

A woman?

A woman?

Could be! But if you look down between your legs, and see your own erect penis, then perhaps you're...

It's not really the man himself which turns hetro people on when watching pornography. I believe it's a combination of both projection (Imagaining that it is them banging that hot porn starlet) and seeing the woman enjoy herself (although of course this is hardly real) from a hard fucking. They never quite move the same way without a dick ;)

Could be! But if you look down between your legs, and see your own erect penis, then perhaps you're...

A hermaphrodite?

A hermaphrodite?

Well, you could be a bisexual...

And another question for you hetero guys out there...

Have you ever put your hand around a man's erect penis and brought it to orgasm? If so, you've had sex with a man!

Well, you could be a bisexual...

Like me. ^_^

Anyway, if my son or daughter would come up to me and say "Dad, I'm gay." I'd be pretty surprised. Seeing as, as far as I know, all my kids are in my testicles right now.

I would treat him just as I did before, with love and care. It wouldn't make a difference the slightest bit.

Same if it was a daughter.

And another question for you hetero guys out there...

Have you ever put your hand around a man's erect penis and brought it to orgasm? If so, you've had sex with a man!
Really??? OMG! Noooo! LOL!

And another question for you hetero guys out there...

Have you ever put your hand around a man's erect penis and brought it to orgasm? If so, you've had sex with a man!
You're not counting your own penis, right?

You're not counting your own penis, right?

So you HAVE had sex with a man!

So then... 95.7% of all men are homo!

So then... 95.7% of all men are homo!

No, but they have had a homosexual experience or homosexual thoughts.

Most men, despite what many say, are bisexual. Very few are completely hetero or homo.

So you HAVE had sex with a man!
Only myself.

No, but they have had a homosexual experience or homosexual thoughts.

Most men, despite what many say, are bisexual. Very few are completely hetero or homo.

Well, I've heard plenty of them state they will have sex with anything that has a hole, so maybe the term 'omnisexual' is more appropriate?

Only myself.

Monosexual?
:confused:

Only myself.
And wouldn't you describe your member in glowing terms?