NationStates Jolt Archive

Canada is flawless!

Now here's a false and arrogant and ignorant statement!

Canada is flawless!
Oh come on, don't get carried away by your nationalist extremism!

well not really(reuseing your words),


but it shows you are a hypocrite


Not really putting politics aside. :rolleyes:

Oh, I see where your coming from. Well, people that hate America I probably won't get along with. The non-christian/conservative friends of mine don't hate America.

Hmm, where to start...well, the format just begs to get broken down, so how about we do so?

Fine by me.

I'm a Straight, Humanist Deist White Male Semi-Liberatarian, nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too.

Well, I wouldn't say I'm proud of my views, heritage, and beliefs, I'm actually rather indifferent.

That's fine -- I don't hate you for it.

Well, that's good for you. I wouldn't exactly call any society immoral, seeing as morals are quite arbitrary, but I would call it generally satanist in the sense that it is quite self-centered and self-worshipping.

So we agree on the fact something's wrong, yet disagree on the degree of the problem.

Oh, I can guarantee you that you have some degenerated DNA strands in you, everyone does, most all DNA is flawed in some way. Though, of course, I don't see how your two comments above are connected, you should probably have put a period instead of a comma and made the second part a new sentence.

Actually, I personally feel that DNA strands making someone homosexual are subhuman. When I say this, though, people instantly think I hate homosexuals, and no matter what I say, they don't get the facy I hate homosexual-ity, not homosexuals.

Well, I can certainly say I'm proud to be and Irish-American, but I'm thinking its for different reasons than you're proud of your heritage.

If you're beating around the bush calling me a racist, you're wrong.

Yetch, haters of any kind put a sour taste in my mouth. Why can't people just kind of, you know, live together without being at each other's throats?

Good luck with that one. :)

This is where we're going to have to agree to disagree. I think, social conservatism (AKA authoritarianism) as a whole is quite dis-tasteful. I probably would agree with you on economic issues, though, if it weren't for the fact that I'm hedging on you actually being a neo-conservative and, thus, quite fiscally liberal.

Wrong, I am in NO WAY a fiscal liberal. Also, I don't consider myself an authoritarian. I believe a society needs a basic moral code to survive. Freedom comes hand in hand with responsibiliy, per se. We may diagree, but I feel political and economic freedoms have a symbiotic relationship. The more of one you have, the more of the other. Problem is, though, if you have TOO much of one, society collapses.

Amen brother, though it's a shame how it never has really reached its potential, getting especially worse since the very brief golden age after the gilded age. I can only imagine the horrors we have in store for us if it continues down the path of opression and hate its begun on in the last several years.

Meh. I personally think the US needs another Ronald Reagan. The 1980's were some of the best years in US history, economically. It would be better nowadays since we have a Republican Congress to actually get some real stuff done to the nation to make it prosper, instead of the Democrat Congress Reagan had to deal with.

Oh my, you seem to have been greatly mis-informed on the actions of the ACLU. Shall I dig up the links I have that show the numerous cases the ACLU has taken in great defense of the rights of Christians to freely practice their religion in America?

Yes, I think you should, actually.

Pro-death? Did NOW become some kind of suicide cult when I started ignoring it?

Pro-death = Pro-abortion.

While I really don't pay attention to the homosexual activist groups, from the way you put it they're just looking for equality. Nothing wrong with that, especially here in America, a country built on equality.

I'm fine with equality for them, but I don't want them getting married sanctioned by the governmnet. Actually, I want government OUT OF MARRIAGE and I want marriage given back to the Churches, where it belongs.

Bleh, I also dislike people who seem to think they're something special for being a minority. When will people understand that equality means everyone is equal, not just the formerly unequal being more equal than the formerly greater.

Tell that to Ted Kennedy and the Liberal Activists, specifically the NAACP.

I'm sure Georgey boy has asked more than once in the conversations he holds with the big man upstairs...*snicker*

Indeed. :D

God bless humanity.

That too. ;)

See? There IS a such thing as a civilized debate, contrary to just about everything you see in the General Forum. :D

See? There IS a such thing as a civilized debate, contrary to just about everything you see in the General Forum. :D
:eek:
And I thought it was just a myth!
Now I can die happy!
:D

How can you go so long on this forum without learning what socialism is? They're more socialist than Republicans, but they are fundamentally capitalist. Socialists want to get rid of capitalism. Democrats/liberals just want to regulate it a bit.

The Demoncats' (refer to previous posts for definition) agenda is HIGHLY anticapitalist. They want to rid of it. They're trying to take it a step at a time. First it's minor regulation, then it's majour, then they get rid of it completely.

No, he's not a Republican because Republicans are not for a free market, they're for subsidising their corporate friends.

I'm a Republican, and I am not for government subsidies. If you can't survive on your own, you're outa luck.

The Democrats have become less socialist, especially in the past 25 years. No Democrat president today would implement anything like the "Great Society.[/qoute]

They would, but not all at once. They haven't desocialized, they've just gotten more deceptive.

[quote]You think they are socialist because Republicans have moved so far right that their views are skewed. Socialists want to get rid of capitalism. Democrats/liberals just want to regulate it a bit.

They ARE socialist, and the Republican party is not THAT far right. I'm further right than most Republicans in Congress -- and Bush, for that matter.

PS, Derscon I am still waiting for your proof that the ACLU is out to eliminate Christianity.

Told you I'd forget. ;)

LA County to remove cross from county seal after ACLU challenge. (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/8816520.htm?1c)

(you might not be able to access it, I don't know)

ACLU Against Christianity (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/30/154824.shtml)

(You'll probably ignore this as it's not a mainstream, liberally biased news network, but I hope you're smarter than that)

ACLU and the Ten Commandments (http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/religion/030830/ten.shtml)

(from a local newspaper in Tennessee)

Alabama Ten Commandments contro. (http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/)

(ACLU not mentioned in this article, but both of us know it was them orchestrating it)

ACLU Fights Louisiana for "religious-based" Abstinence Program (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/008/11.14.html)

(again, not a mainstream, liberally-biased website)

ACLU Fights "Intelligent Design" Taught in Classroom (http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17207&c=139)

(I think both Chaos and Intelligent Design should be taught, and this is fighting Christianity)

Pentagon Removes backing of Hundreds of Boy Scout Troops (http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17023&c=141)

(Why? Because they swear oath to God. This is silencing religion, not promoting religious freedom)

According to Pope Gregory the Great (d. 604), it is. And before you ask, yes, I am aware Catholics and Protestants are different, however, the Protestant religion is a derivative of the Catholic church (thank you, Martin Luther, for speaking against indulgences), and I'm pretty sure the same seven deadly sins apply.

I do not recognize the athourity of the Pope. And no, there are no "deadly sins."

All I'm saying is, don't parade your religion off as being so much more superior than other's beliefs while contradicting it.

I'm not.

Uhm, no, no you could not. You are either attracted to a gender or you aren't. The whole 'homosexuality is a choice" bunk is ridiculous. Why would a person choose to be shunned by the majority of society? They wouldn't.

I actually think it's a bit of both, but that's my NSHO. :)

By the by, I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just having a discussion with you. ^^

I know. If you'd be trying to start a flame war, you'd get bitched at, as only intelligent people are remaining in this thread. :)

...LA County to remove cross from county seal after ACLU challenge. (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/8816520.htm?1c)

(you might not be able to access it, I don't know)...
This link will work http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/060204ap_nw_county_seal.html

What are you talking about? Where do you get this idea the the Democrats are bringing about a new segregation? Besides, most of their candidates are white male christians.

AA, NAACP trying to keep blacks in poverty to establish powerbase. A few others, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.


That is a terrorist-supporting church. Ian Paisley supports loyalist terrorists in Northern Ireland. But it's OK to be a terrorist when you're a white male christian, right? :rolleyes:

No. The Church does not support terrorism, neither does Paisley. He agrees with their message, but not their deleverance of that message. And I do not support terrorism.

LA County to remove cross from county seal after ACLU challenge. (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/8816520.htm?1c)

(you might not be able to access it, I don't know)

ACLU Against Christianity (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/30/154824.shtml)

(You'll probably ignore this as it's not a mainstream, liberally biased news network, but I hope you're smarter than that)

ACLU and the Ten Commandments (http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/religion/030830/ten.shtml)

(from a local newspaper in Tennessee)

Alabama Ten Commandments contro. (http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/)

(ACLU not mentioned in this article, but both of us know it was them orchestrating it)

ACLU Fights Louisiana for "religious-based" Abstinence Program (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/008/11.14.html)

(again, not a mainstream, liberally-biased website)

ACLU Fights "Intelligent Design" Taught in Classroom (http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17207&c=139)

(I think both Chaos and Intelligent Design should be taught, and this is fighting Christianity)

Pentagon Removes backing of Hundreds of Boy Scout Troops (http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17023&c=141)

(Why? Because they swear oath to God. This is silencing religion, not promoting religious freedom)

Ok do explain how this prevented you from going to Church or read the Bible?

Let me tell you something: it's obviously not only your DNA that's degrading. You are the world's worst human trash.
PS: get fucked.

Really? Thank you, I appriciate that. As they say, one man's trash is another's treasure. At least, my girlfriend thinks that I'm a treasure, and it goes the other way, too. ;)

And you are a pathetic, horny little bastard if you think I need to have sex.

1. The Demoncats' (refer to previous posts for definition) agenda is HIGHLY anticapitalist. They want to rid of it. They're trying to take it a step at a time. First it's minor regulation, then it's majour, then they get rid of it completely.

2. I'm a Republican, and I am not for government subsidies. If you can't survive on your own, you're outa luck.

3. They would, but not all at once. They haven't desocialized, they've just gotten more deceptive.

4. They ARE socialist, and the Republican party is not THAT far right. I'm further right than most Republicans in Congress -- and Bush, for that matter.

1. Proof? (I mean other than paranoid feelings about their agenda.)

2. If this is your position, then,
www.lp.org

3. See point #1.

4. Democrats are not socialist, and the Republican party is that far right. And how do I know? It's because I know the parties in my country, the UK and most other European countries, and some of Canada and Australia's too. The Democrats' ideology would make for a centrist party in the Western world (other than the USA). The Republican policies, on the other hand, are far far FAR to the right of anyone else in mainstream western-world politics.

You are not more conservative than Bush...

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/USelection2004.gif

You were +4 on both axes. In fact you are closer to Kerry than Bush. (More conservative than Kerry, but less so than Bush.)

LA County to remove cross from county seal after ACLU challenge. (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/8816520.htm?1c)

This is for separation of church and state. Theres a difference between taking religion out of government, and abolishing religious freedom. To be religiously "free" the government can't support one religion or another. If you're Jewish and your government has a cross on it, that wouldn't make you feel very religiously free. Placing christianity on par with other religions isn't abolishing it, it's allowing for a diversity or tolerance of different beliefs.


ACLU and the Ten Commandments (http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/religion/030830/ten.shtml)

(from a local newspaper in Tennessee)

Once again there's this principle in something called the constitution, you might have heard of it. It's called separation of church and state. You can't put your religion in a federal or state court room. Not everyone believes in the same invisible man that you do, and this might offend them. The purpose of this isn't to destroy christianity, but to prevent christianity from monopolizing it's power and to influence the government. Freedom of religion doesn't mean you get to hang crosses in the courthouse and everyone else has to deal with it.


ACLU Fights Louisiana for "religious-based" Abstinence Program (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/008/11.14.html)

Personally I don't believe in any abstinence program because research shows they fail miserably. All they do is make teens unprepared when they finally do succumb to their hormones. This could result in *gasp* an abortion.

As for alternate means of learning about creation, if you wan't to believe the story with the snakes and naked ladies and magic apples or whatever else that's fine, but please don't teach this kind of nonsense to children in a public school. They're impressionable.

Like the framers of the constitution say, religion should be free, and it should stay out of government. End of story. We use the bill of rights, not the ten commandments. You wouldn't like it if we put the pillars of islam in a courthouse, so don't whine when you can't defile it with your religion.

It's called the constitution, read it before you complain about people who are just enforcing it.

The Angry Junkies

I am a gay Christian American, and I share your pride

Except for the homo thing. I will admit that I agree with Quinten Crisp, who said, "Even the lowest of heterosexuals has more dignity that the most noble of homosexuals." So, go ahead and crow.

Now, as a non-roman catholic christian, yes, my religion is better than yours, because mine is right, and yours is wrong. Why in God's name would I ever follow and believe in a religion that I didn't think was right; so, if I am right, you must be wrong.

I am proud of America, and I, like most Americans don't give a hoot about Europe and foreign policy. You want to know why? Because we are all foreigners, even the Indians are misplaced siberians. If we gave a damn about foreign policy we would have all stayed in Europe, or Asia, or wherever the hell we came from, but we left those countries to get away from your "domestic policies", which are now our "foreign policies" that we don't give a damn about. Up yours Europe. My ancesters ran away to get away from you assholes, and we are perfectly content to not deal with you, period. I am only proud of my "displaced" European ancestry, i.e. the decendants of those smart enough to get out of your worthless socialist societies!

Now, as a non-roman catholic christian, yes, my religion is better than yours, because mine is right, and yours is wrong. Why in God's name would I ever follow and believe in a religion that I didn't think was right; so, if I am right, you must be wrong.

Let us not start a holy war here Amish Children! No religion is better than anyone elses. To make a statement shows your just as much an idiot as the next person. I'm not a Roman Catholic either but I don't think my religion is better than his or anyone elses. Besides, he ain't Catholic either.

i saw the title to the topic and thought 'fair play, why should he be ashamed of his culture simply because it isn't the one the media is encouraging us to accept in a patronisingly over-enthusiastic fashion. on closer inspection i noticed that the word conservative had slipped in there and thought, 'hmmmm, although i never insult anyone on the basis of race, gender or sexual orientation, i will despise your polictical opinions with a vengance if they're anything further right than... well me. but i was still willing to give the topic on the benefit of the doubt y'know, because everyone is entitled to their own political beliefs, and as far as i could tell, it was still just a guy who was proud of his heritage. however i read the topic and *sigh*... they really don't have a strong enough word for ignorant.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

THAT is the worst piece of shit I ever heard in a NS forum, and I'd heard lot of republican crap on the last few months. Honestly, I can't believe that God allows Republicans to use His name to defense themselves, or even that He allows them to exist!! He should do them the same they done to the Iraquis, the Agfans, the prisioners of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, the gays, the muslims, etc., etc.

Pentagon Removes backing of Hundreds of Boy Scout Troops

(Why? Because they swear oath to God. This is silencing religion, not promoting religious freedom)

tsk tsk, making assumptions before looking at the real issue

Let me explain: A boy scouts is a very unfriendly organization to athiests and most non-christain groups. They reguard reverance to God as one of their 18 points of the Scout Law. Some ranks in Cub Scouts even require that one do religious service, Eagle Boards of Review often ask about ones reverence, and every rank requires daily adherence to the Scout Oath ("To do my duty to God...") and Scout Law (A Scout is Reverent).

Furthermore, while they try to hide it, Boy Scouts believes Christianity is the only true religion. Official benedictions and prayers that are "non-denominational" are often Christain, while some try to hide it by being "Judeo-Christain". Furthermore, BSA hires many religious leaders, almost all Christain, who PREACH to kids, without a care to denomination. These "vespers" and "non-denominational services" are actually quite denominational, as they either use Christain prayer or teach Christain morals and ideas.

Maybe the DoD just wanted to not support an obviously religious organization. It makes perfect sense to me.

THAT is the worst piece of shit I ever heard in a NS forum, and I'd heard lot of republican crap on the last few months. Honestly, I can't believe that God allows Republicans to use His name to defense themselves, or even that He allows them to exist!! He should do them the same they done to the Iraquis, the Agfans, the prisioners of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, the gays, the muslims, etc., etc.

Here here.

Not to be cliche but that sounds like nazi propoganda with the words "white", "european" and "heterosexual" in place of "aryan". Blood doesn't make you better than anybody else, and thinking that way is stupid. Being stupid makes you worse than anybody else.

The Angry Junkies

I am a gay Christian American, and I share your pride

Except for the homo thing. I will admit that I agree with Quinten Crisp, who said, "Even the lowest of heterosexuals has more dignity that the most noble of homosexuals." So, go ahead and crow.

Now, as a non-roman catholic christian, yes, my religion is better than yours, because mine is right, and yours is wrong. Why in God's name would I ever follow and believe in a religion that I didn't think was right; so, if I am right, you must be wrong.

I am proud of America, and I, like most Americans don't give a hoot about Europe and foreign policy. You want to know why? Because we are all foreigners, even the Indians are misplaced siberians. If we gave a damn about foreign policy we would have all stayed in Europe, or Asia, or wherever the hell we came from, but we left those countries to get away from your "domestic policies", which are now our "foreign policies" that we don't give a damn about. Up yours Europe. My ancesters ran away to get away from you assholes, and we are perfectly content to not deal with you, period. I am only proud of my "displaced" European ancestry, i.e. the decendants of those smart enough to get out of your worthless socialist societies!
Wow, a gay republican. You don't see one every day.

The Angry Junkies said:
As for alternate means of learning about creation, if you wan't to believe the story with the snakes and naked ladies and magic apples or whatever else that's fine, but please don't teach this kind of nonsense to children in a public school. They're impressionable.

you forgot that it was a talking snake.

tsk tsk, making assumptions before looking at the real issue.

:rolleyes:

Let me explain: A boy scouts is a very unfriendly organization to athiests and most non-christain groups.

Wow. Thanks for insulting the organization I belong to and have climbed to the highest of ranks.

They reguard reverance to God as one of their 18 points of the Scout Law.

Seventeen, actually. :p

Some ranks in Cub Scouts even require that one do religious service, Eagle Boards of Review often ask about ones reverence, and every rank requires daily adherence to the Scout Oath ("To do my duty to God...") and Scout Law (A Scout is Reverent).

I am well aware of the requirements.

Furthermore, while they try to hide it, Boy Scouts believes Christianity is the only true religion. Official benedictions and prayers that are "non-denominational" are often Christain, while some try to hide it by being "Judeo-Christain". Furthermore, BSA hires many religious leaders, almost all Christain, who PREACH to kids, without a care to denomination. These "vespers" and "non-denominational services" are actually quite denominational, as they either use Christain prayer or teach Christain morals and ideas.

Where have you been? I've been to many a service where Jesus wasn't mentioned once.

Maybe the DoD just wanted to not support an obviously religious organization. It makes perfect sense to me.

What's wrong with supporting an organization that's religious-based? There IS no seperation of Church and State. The clause states that the government cannot establish an official religion.

tsk tsk, making assumptions before looking at the real issue

Let me explain: A boy scouts is a very unfriendly organization to athiests and most non-christain groups. They reguard reverance to God as one of their 18 points of the Scout Law. Some ranks in Cub Scouts even require that one do religious service, Eagle Boards of Review often ask about ones reverence, and every rank requires daily adherence to the Scout Oath ("To do my duty to God...") and Scout Law (A Scout is Reverent).

Furthermore, while they try to hide it, Boy Scouts believes Christianity is the only true religion. Official benedictions and prayers that are "non-denominational" are often Christain, while some try to hide it by being "Judeo-Christain". Furthermore, BSA hires many religious leaders, almost all Christain, who PREACH to kids, without a care to denomination. These "vespers" and "non-denominational services" are actually quite denominational, as they either use Christain prayer or teach Christain morals and ideas.

Maybe the DoD just wanted to not support an obviously religious organization. It makes perfect sense to me.

You are making assumptions as well. Not all BSA troops are based on Christianity. Our troop had Buddiests, Muslims, Christians, and we even had gay scouts.

Yes. Religion is a factor of it. Baden-Powell didn't say you had to be Christian. He simply thought Relgion was a good thing to have. Athiests are left out but that is the choice they make. The organization never hid the fact.

Now, having said that. Yes there are some hard core Christians on the main council right now and their rulings are wrong(ie a gay scoutmaster getting tossed eventhough all parents knew about it and were ok with it).

But to suggest the BSA is only about Christianity is wrong.

Says one who was a cub scout, a weblo, and is an Eagle Scout.

PS. I never had to do any Relgious services in any of my Ranks.

I will base my response to you off of your post, as obviously, since you are clearly unintelligent as to bring insults instead of arguments, I figured you might need something from your level.


"You are the worst piece of shit I ever heard in a NS forum, and I'd heard lot of liberal crap for all of the forum's existance. Honestly, I can't believe that God allows people like you to exist!"

What's wrong with supporting an organization that's religious-based? There IS no seperation of Church and State. The clause states that the government cannot establish an official religion.

actually there is. Madison himself spoke of it. You misunderstand the establishment clause if you only think it says there can't be a state religion.

There is nothing wrong with supporting a Religous based organization as long as it doesn't discriminate against other Religions.

Wow. Thanks for insulting the organization I belong to and have climbed to the highest of ranks.


How is it insulting to say that the Scouts are not Atheism-friendly?

I will base my response to you off of your post, as obviously, since you are clearly unintelligent as to bring insults instead of arguments, I figured you might need something from your level.


"You are the worst piece of shit I ever heard in a NS forum, and I'd heard lot of liberal crap for all of the forum's existance. Honestly, I can't believe that God allows people like you to exist!"

This piece of aggression aimed at anyone in particular?

Or just a random offering to the gods of moderation?

There is no Seperation of Church and State in the Constitution of the United States. The only thing the Constitution says on Religion is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the worship thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grieances."

That is all the Constitution says regarding religion.

"What's wrong with supporting an organization that's religious-based? There IS no seperation of Church and State. The clause states that the government cannot establish an official religion."

In 1947, in the case Everson v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court declared, “The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state." Although not directly stated the modern interpretation of the constitution does not allow for the government to fund, support, or endorse religious groups. I'm not overly familiar with the boy scouts, but maybe they are too religious to be backed by the government.

What's wrong with supporting an organization that's religious-based? There IS no seperation of Church and State. The clause states that the government cannot establish an official religion.
You didn't really answer anything the other person posted, but that's up to that dude to lay that out-it's this badly formed notion that irks me.

You are right, the government cannot establish a official religion. There is more than one way to establish a religion, and one way-pay attention now-is to endorse one religion preferentially such as putting it's symbols in official seals, it's commandments in judicial buildings, and providing federal assistance to groups that are exclusively one religion.

This is there to protect you, if you'd get over yourself for a second you could see that. Try this little experiment: Imagine that, say, teacher led prayer is allowed, but it's to Allah. Your little tantrum would logically allow it, but I'm certain, having read your opening post, you would be in a tissy.

No one, I repeat, NO ONE is keeping you from going to church, adorning yourself with crosses, or even coming to my door and telling me all about how you feel someone killed by Romans 2000 years ago still somehow loves me or hates me depending on how you have decided to interperate an overtranslated text.

I have my reasons to hate the United States Federal government -in general- and, mainly, the republicans. I dont believe that using the eye by eye, thoot by thoot law is nazi at all, because god created it, it's in the Holy book of two of the biggest religions of the world, and Bush used it. I didn´t used any of the words you compare whit arian, and I'm a Jew, so thank you so much for calling me nazi.

There is no Seperation of Church and State in the Constitution of the United States. The only thing the Constitution says on Religion is:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the worship thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grieances."

That is all the Constitution says regarding religion.

And it's a beautiful piece of writing. It both prohibits and protects the Christians.

You were +4 on both axes. In fact you are closer to Kerry than Bush. (More conservative than Kerry, but less so than Bush.)

I gave those coordinates awhile ago -- my opinions tend to change as I continue my Journey.

My actual coordinates are:

Economic Left/Right: 8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.00

Please accept my appologies, I havent really mentioned how many points of the Scout Law there are since I was in the weblos. Anyway, I too am a Boy Scout (star, one MB to life), but I see the organization as rather descriminitory, as when I mentioned to anyone that any number of things could be offensive to any number of religious groups, they tell me how they don't count and how it's completely obvious that God exists.

I have met a couple "Chaplains". Some are kind and understanding, others are not. Yet none of them has come up with a service that is completely nuetral. I don't care if they ignore the name "Jesus", the mere mention of God (in the sense it is often used) is actually descriminitory to most non-western religions. Nevermind the idea of "asking God for forgiveness", which I have heard in a BSA summer camp sermon (manditory attendance), which in many cases is incorrect according to Jewish teachings. I'm sorry, but when a "non-denominational" service completely controdicts my denomination's belief, I tend to think it may not be so nuetral.

As a Jew who has been in Boy Scouts since Tiger Cubs and has been forced to attend countless services (not including the ones I was pressured to go to, but ignored), Boy Scouts is a Christain Organization

This doesn't include being scolded for not selling Christmas Wreaths at my parents suggestion (it's the crown of thorns)

Or the OFFICIAL decision to ban gay leaders, which controdicts my religious law

And it's a beautiful piece of writing. It both prohibits and protects the Christians.

It doesn't prohibit anything except Congress declaring a religion to be the religion of the state.

I have my reasons to hate the United States Federal government -in general- and, mainly, the republicans. I dont believe that using the eye by eye, thoot by thoot law is nazi at all, because god created it, it's in the Holy book of two of the biggest religions of the world, and Bush used it. I didn´t used any of the words you compare whit arian, and I'm a Jew, so thank you so much for calling me nazi.

I was talking about Dercson's use of the words being similar to nazi rhetoric. The whole my blood is better than your blood thing. I was agreeing with you.

This piece of aggression aimed at anyone in particular?

Or just a random offering to the gods of moderation?

O_o

It WAS directed at someone, but I forgot to put the name, and now I don't remember who it was for. :(

Or the OFFICIAL decision to ban gay leaders, which controdicts my religious law

This has me curious. How does banning gay leaders contradict Jewish Law?

It doesn't prohibit anything except Congress declaring a religion to be the religion of the state.

Sure it does. You don't see the 10 commandments plastered everywhere.

We have had this discussion before. The goverment is supposed to be Religious Neutral.

As mentioned before if that idiot in Alabama had a monument that involved all Relgions, then the ACLU wouldn't have been able to do much. But a Christian monument in a state building is an endorsement of a Religion.

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!
Good for you. I would congratulate you on this if you hadn't shat on others in the process of expressing your pride. For instance:

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)
^This is what makes you a jackass.

This has me curious. How does banning gay leaders contradict Jewish Law?

This deals with the concept that all men were created in God's image (b'tzelem Elohim). Since the seventies, when the issue was first raised, the URJ (aka UAHC), which is the organization comprising all Reform congregations and 2 million Jews in the US and Canada, decided that discrimination against gays was controdictory to b'tzelem Elohim, and stopped it, lifting the criminalization of homosexuality and the ban on gay marrige.

This has also, to a lesser degree, been imposed in some Conservative temples and completely embraced and far surpassed by the Reconstructionist Movement

I was talking about Dercson's use of the words being similar to nazi rhetoric. The whole my blood is better than your blood thing. I was agreeing with you.
ow sorry

Please accept my appologies, I havent really mentioned how many points of the Scout Law there are since I was in the weblos. Anyway, I too am a Boy Scout (star, one MB to life), but I see the organization as rather descriminitory, as when I mentioned to anyone that any number of things could be offensive to any number of religious groups, they tell me how they don't count and how it's completely obvious that God exists.

If you were the one I said you were one up on the amount of laws, it was a correction meant as a humourous joke to lighten the mood :). No need to apologize.


I have met a couple "Chaplains". Some are kind and understanding, others are not. Yet none of them has come up with a service that is completely nuetral. I don't care if they ignore the name "Jesus", the mere mention of God (in the sense it is often used) is actually descriminitory to most non-western religions. Nevermind the idea of "asking God for forgiveness", which I have heard in a BSA summer camp sermon (manditory attendance), which in many cases is incorrect according to Jewish teachings. I'm sorry, but when a "non-denominational" service completely controdicts my denomination's belief, I tend to think it may not be so nuetral.

In my summercamp, there's a non-denominational, there's a Catholic, a General Protestant, A Lutheran, and a Jewish. Guess you're just in a poorly funded council. :D

As a Jew who has been in Boy Scouts since Tiger Cubs and has been forced to attend countless services (not including the ones I was pressured to go to, but ignored), Boy Scouts is a Christain Organization

It is a religious organization, no doubt, founded on the Christain beliefs. Of course you were forced to go, remember the tweveth point (Yeah, dumbass mistake on my part, there's twelve points, not seventeen. O_o) A scout is reverent? You shouldn't have to go to a service you personally disagree with, though.

This doesn't include being scolded for not selling Christmas Wreaths at my parents suggestion (it's the crown of thorns)

I don't sell them because they're too goddamned expensive and no one buys. :) But you shouldn't have been scolded for doing it based on your religious beliefs.

Or the OFFICIAL decision to ban gay leaders, which controdicts my religious law

It's the BOY scouts, not the gay scouts. I fully support this decision. I wouldn't want a gay scoutmaster within fifty miles of me.

Sure it does. You don't see the 10 commandments plastered everywhere.

I see them at the Supreme Court. I used to see them at most Court Houses till the ACLU got their hands on it and got them to be declared Unconstitutional because it violates the so called "Seperation of Church and state"

We have had this discussion before. The goverment is supposed to be Religious Neutral.

And the Government is Religious Neutral. Otherwise, we would've had a state religion by now and we don't!

As mentioned before if that idiot in Alabama had a monument that involved all Relgions, then the ACLU wouldn't have been able to do much. But a Christian monument in a state building is an endorsement of a Religion.

And I don't consider him an idiot. I consider him standing up FOR the constitution of the United States and the principles that this nation was founded on. Here's something else for you to chew on. In florida, they had relics from all 3 religions, the ACLU wanted the Christian one gone but not the other 2. They don't mind the Koran to be taught but heaven forbid you teach *gasp* the bible in school. Don't get me started on the ACLU!

The Ten Commandments are not Christian, they are Hebrew. They are also believed in all 3 major monothiestic faiths, AND, they adorn the Supreme Court's chambers!! The establishment clause only concerns itself with Congress, and the Federal Goverment, and it only prohibits the creation of a national religion.

The Ten Commandments are not Christian, they are Hebrew. They are also believed in all 3 major monothiestic faiths, AND, they adorn the Supreme Court's chambers!! The establishment clause only concerns itself with Congress, and the Federal Goverment, and it only prohibits the creation of a national religion.

Here Here!

Good for you. I would congratulate you on this if you hadn't shat on others in the process of expressing your pride. For instance:


^This is what makes you a jackass.

Why, because I disagree and condemn organizations you probably belong to?

Please accept my appologies, I havent really mentioned how many points of the Scout Law there are since I was in the weblos. Anyway, I too am a Boy
*SNIP*


Which state are you in? Is it one of the Bible Belts?

I wouldn't want a gay scoutmaster within fifty miles of me.

I'd be more afraid of a catholic priest

This deals with the concept that all men were created in God's image (b'tzelem Elohim). Since the seventies, when the issue was first raised, the URJ (aka UAHC), which is the organization comprising all Reform congregations and 2 million Jews in the US and Canada, decided that discrimination against gays was controdictory to b'tzelem Elohim, and stopped it, lifting the criminalization of homosexuality and the ban on gay marrige.

This has also, to a lesser degree, been imposed in some Conservative temples and completely embraced and far surpassed by the Reconstructionist Movement

But doesn't it fly in the face of the Jewish Holy Book?

The Ten Commandments are not Christian, they are Hebrew. They are also believed in all 3 major monothiestic faiths, AND, they adorn the Supreme Court's chambers!! The establishment clause only concerns itself with Congress, and the Federal Goverment, and it only prohibits the creation of a national religion.

I know -- I completely agree (excpet the Hebrew part. They ARE Hebrew, but they're also part of the Christian, too).

Problem is, as they are associated with Christianity, they must burn.

I'd be more afraid of a catholic priest

HAHAHAHA!!!! :D

Why, because I disagree and condemn organizations you probably belong to?
No, I'm not part of any of those organizations. I think you only mentioned two... NOW and the ACLU. Given that I'm not american and those are american organizations... Even if you ignored the fact that I'm not even a part of any organization...

You're a jackass for acting like being white is better than being any other race, your'e a jackass for acting like women don't deserve equality, you're a jackass for calling pro-choice pro-death. I'm going to guess that you support the death penalty and the war in Iraq, so I wouldn't be calling yourself pro-life anytime soon. Furthermore, you're a jackass for equating atheism and religiously neutral society with satanism, you're a jackass for your rant about homosexuals.

Basically, you're a jackass because you seem proud of your ignorance and opinions that do not accurately reflect the world as it is.

Also, as has been stated a number of times since your initial post in this thread... just because you're proud of who you are doesn't mean you have to put others down. You are a jackass for putting others down.

It's the BOY scouts, not the gay scouts. I fully support this decision. I wouldn't want a gay scoutmaster within fifty miles of me.

The gay scouts? do you deny that there are gay boy scouts? or gay boys?
Have you slept in the same room as a woman? Did they rape you? Did they make unwelcome sexual advances? I didn't think so.


Which state are you in? Is it one of the Bible Belts?

I'm from New Jersey, though I've been to camps in New York


But doesn't it fly in the face of the Jewish Holy Book?

It depends on your interpretation. Jews are big on interpretation. Much of our law comes from it. The Talmud, Mishna, and most Jewish traditions are.

No, I'm not part of any of those organizations. I think you only mentioned two... NOW and the ACLU. Given that I'm not american and those are american organizations... Even if you ignored the fact that I'm not even a part of any organization...

Oh, well, okay. :)

You're a jackass for acting like being white is better than being any other race,

And you're ignorance is astounding. You obviously chose not to read all of my refutations against the fact I'm a racist, which I am not.

your'e a jackass for acting like women don't deserve equality,

See above, only replace racist with sexist.


you're a jackass for calling pro-choice pro-death.

Abortion is Genocide.

I'm going to guess that you support the death penalty and the war in Iraq, so I wouldn't be calling yourself pro-life anytime soon.

I do support both of these.

DEATH PENALTY: These are useless scum to society. They need to die. Abortion kills of babies that have potential.

IRAQ: Anyone NOT supporting the war in Iraq is pro-death. What's wrong about ridding of a genocidal maniac?

Furthermore, you're a jackass for equating atheism and religiously neutral society with satanism,

It is not "religiously neutral," -- it is staunchly antiChristian. At least, that's what the media protrays it as.

I believe the conservatives are the silent majourity in this nation. They have been silenced for too long by the liberal media and every other special intrest group in America. We reelected Bush, made it a dominantly Republican congress, and ousted the Democratic Majourity Leader. The Conservatives are finally removing the duct tape from our mouths placed there by the liberals, and we shall fight back, and take or great nation back!

you're a jackass for your rant about homosexuals.

See number Two.

Basically, you're a jackass because you seem proud of your ignorance and opinions that do not accurately reflect the world as it is.

I'm not ignorant, for the 3460984360934680th time. YOU seem to be the ignorant one, here.

And you're ignorance is astounding. You obviously chose not to read all of my refutations against the fact I'm a racist, which I am not.



See above, only replace racist with sexist.

Your*

I havent' got through the entire thread yet... however moving on...

Abortion is Genocide.

No it is not. Look up the definition of both words.

I do support both of these.

DEATH PENALTY: These are useless scum to society. They need to die. Abortion kills of babies that have potential.

IRAQ: Anyone NOT supporting the war in Iraq is pro-death. What's wrong about ridding of a genocidal maniac?
1. What about the wrongly convicted? Also, they don't need to die, killing those who killed others does not somehow bring their victims back to life, it only satisfies some primal vengance.
2. What about all the other genodical maniacs? Also, haven't more iraqis been killed since the war than Saddam would have killed? Not to mention that many of the Iraqis who died under Saddam's reign probably wouldn't have died if not for sanctions...

3. In either case, what are you doing for the children who are born, but are born into poverty? Have you adopted any starving african children under those plans where you send them money to help their entire village? Have you adopted any neglected children placed in foster care in your own country? Have you supported welfare and better education for existing children? Then don't tell me you're pro-life. All it makes you is pro-birth.

It is not "religiously neutral," -- it is staunchly antiChristian. At least, that's what the media protrays it as.

Lol. Being a person who gets the Buffalo news, you guys are not anti-chrsitian.

I'm not ignorant, for the 3460984360934680th time. YOU seem to be the ignorant one, here.
Uh huh... where's the emoticon for a skeptical look?

believe the conservatives are the silent majourity in this nation. They have been silenced for too long by the liberal media and every other special intrest group in America.

Really! Conservatives have been silenced by Rush, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Fox News, The NRA, The Christain Coalition, the God-knows-how-many year House majority of Republicans, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, the Electoral College (which caters to small, conservative states), ect.

What exactly had been silencing the "silent majourity"

Are you serious?

They have been silenced for too long by the liberal media and every other special intrest group in America.

The liberal media that cries for an impeachment when a democrat lies about sex, but doesn't care when a republican lies about a war where tens of thousands die? Liberal media like Rush Limbaugh will tell you on air why torture is good and balck quarterbacks are overrated, then hire an immigrant to get him oxycontin? Liberals on air like Ann Coulter who think that the entire african/asian/arab world needs to be converted to christianity through force? Yeah, it's so hard to find that right-wing voice in today's media. They're all so liberal!

I"m sorry, where's this part where you defend yourself against allegations or racism and sexism, all I've found is some gay bashing in which you claimed they were subhuman, but you didn't hate homosexuals, you hated homosexuality... even though their dna makes them subhuman and all that... :roll:

Really! Conservatives have been silenced by Rush, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Fox News, The NRA, The Christain Coalition, the God-knows-how-many year House majority of Republicans, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, the Electoral College (which caters to small, conservative states), ect.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, all of the talk shows you spoke of liberal front groups have tried to take off the air.

Ronald Reagan rocks, thank you. :)

George H. W. Bush caved in to the Democrats.

You didn't read the whole post, did you (reffering to your comment about the current president)

Fox News is kinda iffy. While not centrist, it's not really that conservative, either.

What exactly had been silencing the "silent majourity"

The multiple years of Democrats in Congress, and the "mainstream" media. We've been coming back from our silent trip, though, thankfully.

Well, if I'm not mistaken, all of the talk shows you spoke of liberal front groups have tried to take off the air.

They tried to take Limbaugh off the air because during the prison abuse scandal he claimed torture was "pretty effective" and supported it's merits. Also, he was being broadcast to soldiers in Iraq. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that.

The liberal media that cries for an impeachment when a democrat lies about sex, but doesn't care when a republican lies about a war where tens of thousands die?

He used the same intelligence every other nation in the world had during the Clinton admin, and no one complained when Clinton bombed Iraq, did they?

And, if I'm not mistaken, the media was the front group for trying to discredit Bush at all possible moments.

Also, The Clinton Sex Scandal was just too big of a story to pass up. If they didn't cover it, people would wonder.

Liberal media like Rush Limbaugh will tell you on air why torture is good and balck quarterbacks are overrated, then hire an immigrant to get him oxycontin?

When I refer to "liberal media," I refer to TV/Newspaper media. The Talk Shows are the Conservative voice, and every attempt to go national with a liberal talk show failed (Save Air America, which is only predominant in very liberal areas)

Liberals on air like Ann Coulter who think that the entire african/asian/arab world needs to be converted to christianity through force?

Never heard that before from a media source, but she's not really right up in the noggin.

No, I'm not part of any of those organizations. I think you only mentioned two... NOW and the ACLU. Given that I'm not american and those are american organizations... Even if you ignored the fact that I'm not even a part of any organization...

You're a jackass for acting like being white is better than being any other race, your'e a jackass for acting like women don't deserve equality, you're a jackass for calling pro-choice pro-death. I'm going to guess that you support the death penalty and the war in Iraq, so I wouldn't be calling yourself pro-life anytime soon. Furthermore, you're a jackass for equating atheism and religiously neutral society with satanism, you're a jackass for your rant about homosexuals.

Basically, you're a jackass because you seem proud of your ignorance and opinions that do not accurately reflect the world as it is.

Also, as has been stated a number of times since your initial post in this thread... just because you're proud of who you are doesn't mean you have to put others down. You are a jackass for putting others down.
AYE AYE TO THAT! RIGHT ON!

They tried to take Limbaugh off the air because during the prison abuse scandal he claimed torture was "pretty effective" and supported it's merits. Also, he was being broadcast to soldiers in Iraq. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that.

No, a LONG time beforehand -- his first couple years -- they tried to. Also, his book publisher was blackmailed for publishing Rush Limbaugh's books, and they tried to bully the publisher into denying Rush's books.

Also, frankly, he shouldn't be taken off the air for that -- that's censorship.

And what's wrong with broadcasting to our men in Iraq? You mean you don't want a voice of support going to our troops, just the liberal media complex constantly bashing and degrading our troops?

I"m sorry, where's this part where you defend yourself against allegations or racism and sexism, all I've found is some gay bashing in which you claimed they were subhuman, but you didn't hate homosexuals, you hated homosexuality... even though their dna makes them subhuman and all that... :roll:

In many places in this thread I claim I am only proud I'm white. I NEVER ONCE said I thought all other races were inferior. You can be proud of your race while not saying others are inferior.

Also, I NEVER said women don't deserve equal rights. I said I don't like the feminazi's trying to give women special rights over men.

Also, I do believe homosexuality is subhuman. I hate homosexuality. I NEVER ONCE said I hate the homosexuals themselves. (Except the radical ones who want me to think that homosexuality is the norm in society and for me to accept it that way)

I feel ashamed to be an American when most of the people in my country are as ignorant as you or even more ignorant by not voting at all.

Also, I NEVER said women don't deserve equal rights. I said I don't like the feminazi's trying to give women special rights over men.
Show me where NOW does this, please, this should be interesting.

Also, I do believe homosexuality is subhuman. I hate homosexuality. I NEVER ONCE said I hate the homosexuals themselves. (Except the radical ones who want me to think that homosexuality is the norm in society and for me to accept it that way)
If you don't believe it to be subhuman, then why did you say that?

I don't care how many groups want to get consevative pundits off the air. They still spread their lies. Another thing, why do you think the mainstream media is liberal? Find Proof.

Air America is only in liberal areas, but it's for stupid liberals. It's conservative talk shows for liberals. Same format, same screaming, same distortion. If you want liberal talk, NPR is everywhere and is a liberal format. No angry call-ins, no lies, interesting topics, analysis instead of punditry, ect. If you want a real liberal talk show, listen to This American Life at www.thislife.org. That is one of the few remaining true liberal talk shows left.

He used the same intelligence every other nation in the world had during the Clinton admin, and no one complained when Clinton bombed Iraq, did they?

Clinton didn't occupy Iraq for a period of years costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars.


Never heard that before from a media source, but she's not really right up in the noggin.

I heard her say it on Hannity and Colmes, mainly speaking about the arab religion and how it was too violent to allow to exist. She's more than not right in the noggin, sometimes I wonder if it's not a publicity act considering how crazy and unbasised some of her claims are. I heard her say that George W Bush's SAT score of 1210 (somewhere around there) was plenty high enough to get him into Yale. Also she thinks claims that there is racism and poverty in america are a fabrication of the "liberal media" i've been hearing so much about.

I heard her say it on Hannity and Colmes, mainly speaking about the arab religion and how it was too violent to allow to exist. She's more than not right in the noggin, sometimes I wonder if it's not a publicity act considering how crazy and unbasised some of her claims are. I heard her say that George W Bush's SAT score of 1210 (somewhere around there) was plenty high enough to get him into Yale. Also she thinks claims that there is racism and poverty in america are a fabrication of the "liberal media" i've been hearing so much about.
It's also in a column she wrote that's posted on her website. (the kill the arab leaders and convert the rest to christianity thing)

I don't care how many groups want to get consevative pundits off the air. They still spread their lies. Another thing, why do you think the mainstream media is liberal? Find Proof.

Air America is only in liberal areas, but it's for stupid liberals. It's conservative talk shows for liberals. Same format, same screaming, same distortion. If you want liberal talk, NPR is everywhere and is a liberal format. No angry call-ins, no lies, interesting topics, analysis instead of punditry, ect. If you want a real liberal talk show, listen to This American Life at www.thislife.org. That is one of the few remaining true liberal talk shows left.
the "conservatives" aren't all that conservative and the "liberals" aren't liberal enough! just call is republican and democrat cause calling it liberal and conservative makes no sense when neither lives up to its name!

the "conservatives" aren't all that conservative and the "liberals" aren't liberal enough! just call is republican and democrat cause calling it liberal and conservative makes no sense when neither lives up to its name!

If you've ever seen the political compass diagram of Kerry and Bush thats all over the forums, you'd know that both parties are conservative, at least compared to Europe

I don't care how many groups want to get consevative pundits off the air. They still spread their lies. Another thing, why do you think the mainstream media is liberal? Find Proof.

Air America is only in liberal areas, but it's for stupid liberals. It's conservative talk shows for liberals. Same format, same screaming, same distortion. If you want liberal talk, NPR is everywhere and is a liberal format. No angry call-ins, no lies, interesting topics, analysis instead of punditry, ect. If you want a real liberal talk show, listen to This American Life at www.thislife.org. That is one of the few remaining true liberal talk shows left.

I kind of like Air America when I'm in an angry mood. Theres nothing wrong with being as vicious and hateful as republicans, if democrats were they'd have done better in the last election. Karl Rove runs circles around the bumbling democratic strategists these days who are so busy trying to appeal to everybody they end up without any clear message. Also I think Bill Maher is great, he hates religion as much as I do. He's intelligent and opinionated as opposed to just opinionated.

I've never heard of Bill Maher

If you've ever seen the political compass diagram of Kerry and Bush thats all over the forums, you'd know that both parties are conservative, at least compared to Europe
Yes, I know, but really neither are very conservative.

No, a LONG time beforehand -- his first couple years -- they tried to. Also, his book publisher was blackmailed for publishing Rush Limbaugh's books, and they tried to bully the publisher into denying Rush's books.

Also, frankly, he shouldn't be taken off the air for that -- that's censorship.

And what's wrong with broadcasting to our men in Iraq? You mean you don't want a voice of support going to our troops, just the liberal media complex constantly bashing and degrading our troops?

I don't think the voice going to our troops should be telling them that torture is OK. The military shouldn't be told that they should sidestep the Geneva Conventions when it can land them in prison. And please, show me where the liberal media once criticized the troops and not the leadership. Even the buddhists in this country are sporting "I support the troops" ribbons. Who doesn't support the troops, christ.

I've never heard of Bill Maher

Politically Incorrect? Currently he does Real Time on HBO, also he does comedy.

Someone needs a big bear hug.

I may be to late, but I'd like to say, this topics poster is the reason why I despise Americans.


Kthnxbye.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!


Er... I'm glad you're proud of something... I'm sorry that the things you are proud of are so inconsequential, but that's ok. We all need something to be proud of, if it makes you feel better... Well. Rock on.

Personally... I'm proud of being human. After all this is the single most intelligent species that currently exists on earth (I've heard that Homo Neadertalis might have been more intelligent, but my source wasn't very sure of themselves on that one.)

I'm proud of being part of a species that can choose to be religious... Or not, if they so desire.

I'm proud of the fact that people think out their opinions and are willing to take a stand, whether or not I think they are correct.

I'm not particularly proud of the bastion of intollerance, economic opression, and religious dogmatism that America has become. I'm not proud of foolish following of outdated Lassaise Faire ideals. I'm not proud to count myself part of the same citizenry that elected George Bush. I'm not proud to call people like Ann Coulter, or Bill O'Rielly part of my nation... Let alone my species.

That doesn't mean I don't love America. I think that this nation has many good ideas, people, and freedoms. That doesn't mean that I am willing to leave it as it is. As long as there is room for improvement I will continue to fight to change my country.

Actually, for liberal media, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart is great


As for the "Support Our Troops" magnets:

Those people wouldnt know support if it mauled them into a bloody pulp

How do you support troops by putting a magnet on your car? You support a very creative person who invented them.

Do you want to support our troops? Bring them home. END WAR. We have the UN and a strong financial situation, we should use them both.

Yeah, that is an interesting point how at all these press conferences Rumsfeld and Bush talk about how much they appreciate/support/honor/respect the troops. If they really cared though, wouldn't they buy them body armor? What could be more trivial than paying lip service to someone who's being shot at. Thanking them doesn't make the mortar fire any more pleasant. Verbally appreciating the military doesn't stop them from getting shot. Bringing them home, or at the very least supplying them adequately might do that.

What's wrong with supporting an organization that's religious-based? There IS no seperation of Church and State. The clause states that the government cannot establish an official religion.
Why should the government support an organisation like scouts? There's no point to it other than to waste taxpayer money.

Wow, a gay republican. You don't see one every day.
Where did he say he was Republican?

I gave those coordinates awhile ago -- my opinions tend to change as I continue my Journey.

My actual coordinates are:

Economic Left/Right: 8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.00
Thanks for the update, soon enough you'll be just like our friend VoteEarly!

It's the BOY scouts, not the gay scouts. I fully support this decision. I wouldn't want a gay scoutmaster within fifty miles of me.
What about the Boys who are also gay?

50 miles? Oh no, you don't hate gays at all. :rolleyes:

And the Government is Religious Neutral.
How is endorsing Christianity, "religious neutral"?

DEATH PENALTY: These are useless scum to society. They need to die. Abortion kills of babies that have potential.
Pro-"justified"-death is still pro-death (penalty).

I believe the conservatives are the silent majourity in this nation. They have been silenced for too long by the liberal media and every other special intrest group in America. We reelected Bush, made it a dominantly Republican congress, and ousted the Democratic Majourity Leader. The Conservatives are finally removing the duct tape from our mouths placed there by the liberals, and we shall fight back, and take or great nation back!
When did liberals ever get rid of the 1st Amendment for conservatives?

For decades Democrats enjoyed majorities. That's not because conservative voting rights or free speech rights were stripped away. It's because most people wanted Democrats in power. Things have changed and they want more Republicans.

Maybe you can't see it, but the way many liberals see the "conservative" movement is one that wants to create a pro-corporate moralist dictatorship. Not easy to swallow.

Also, I do believe homosexuality is subhuman. I hate homosexuality. I NEVER ONCE said I hate the homosexuals themselves. (Except the radical ones who want me to think that homosexuality is the norm in society and for me to accept it that way)
What's so radical about wanting to be accepted?

Actually, for liberal media, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart is great

So I've heard!

As for the "Support Our Troops" magnets:

Those people wouldnt know support if it mauled them into a bloody pulp

This I have a problem with! I'm sure they fully well know Support Avalya.

How do you support troops by putting a magnet on your car? You support a very creative person who invented them.

Economics yea but it shows that you support the troops. Alot of the money goes to charities for fallen soldiers.

Do you want to support our troops? Bring them home. END WAR.

Yes I support our troops. My dad is over there right now. Comes home in March then leaves again 2 months later. I agree bring them home but not until the job is done. The war is over. It ended when the Statue of Saddam Fell. Now its reconstruction period and us training their security. We leave now it'll cause 10 kinds of hell.

We have the UN and a strong financial situation, we should use them both.

UN is worthless.

Do you want to support our troops? Bring them home. END WAR. We have the UN and a strong financial situation, we should use them both.
I agree. It's pretty scary that neocons have tried to make troop-supporting, patriotic people look like traitors for not supporting a war.

Since when is pacifism treachery? Since when is to protest to be unpatriotic?

Pacifism isn't treachery. And it isn't unpatriotic.

It's boring and it sucks. Don't you get any satisfaction from kicking peoples' asses? I love that feeling. I can only imagine what it's like to fire a missile at someone. It's probably like kicking ass times a million.

Also- in reference to the guy being proud about being white and protestant and straight...why is that a topic? :headbang:

It's boring and it sucks. Don't you get any satisfaction from kicking peoples' asses? I love that feeling. I can only imagine what it's like to fire a missile at someone. It's probably like kicking ass times a million.

Also- in reference to the guy being proud about being white and protestant and straight...why is that a topic? :headbang:
No, I don't think I would really enjoy killing someone.

There were a flurry of "I am *insert sexuality, nationality, religion, politics, whatever* and proud of it!" threads recently. All the others were not expressing extremist views like this one, which is why they died.

Hmm, uber cool. :cool:

I myself am a gay agnostic scout, working on getting my Eagle rank...(and I'm 18 now, so, dont ask for explanations ><)

the Scouts, around here at least, are very much based on Christian beliefs. I'm having a hard time getting my board of review because I'm not reverent...and because I dont have "Scout Spirit" (even though I've been in it since I was a TIGER CUB)....But, yeah...it is rather intolerant, so stfu please those who say otherwise, even if you are a scout...

And im disgusted you would associate yourself with Europe.

Not to sound intolerant but, we don't want your sort round here, there's no need to mention us along with yourslef.

hell im disgusted that hes part of the human race >_>

Clinton didn't occupy Iraq for a period of years costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars.

True, but all occupations cost money. Besides, when we occupied Nazi Germany, they said it couldn't be done. Big whoop. Iraq will be fine in a few years. Hell, they've got everything back they had under Saddam's reign, and more -- including elections.

I heard her say it on Hannity and Colmes, mainly speaking about the arab religion and how it was too violent to allow to exist. She's more than not right in the noggin, sometimes I wonder if it's not a publicity act considering how crazy and unbasised some of her claims are. I heard her say that George W Bush's SAT score of 1210 (somewhere around there) was plenty high enough to get him into Yale.

Admissions are not soley on SAT scores. I don't know what the rankings, per se, of SAT scores is, though, so that number really means nothing to me.

Also she thinks claims that there is racism and poverty in america are a fabrication of the "liberal media" i've been hearing so much about.


Well, that's bogus, but the solutions the lib's are proposing won't do anything.

gay Muslim? I think not....being gay and Muslim would be a paradox. I don't have a problem with gays, but I don't find their behavior to be moral. I hope you will just let my point of view be, and not harass me for it. As I said, gays are fine as people. But to be gay and Muslim is not possible.

I think you are relying on a specific interpretation of Islam that excludes homosexuality in order to claim something like "No true muslim is gay". In practice a great many people who consider themselves muslims are gay, just like many people who consider themselves christian are gay.

In fact, european culture has long seen Muslim culture as very gay-friendly, and europeans have gone to north africa to indulge homosexual desires for hundreds of years.

hope that helped to distract from the pointlessness of this thread.

I myself am a gay agnostic scout, working on getting my Eagle rank...(and I'm 18 now, so, dont ask for explanations ><)

Wait....

How are you working getting your Eagle when you're eighteen already?

And aren't gays banned from scouts?

the Scouts, around here at least, are very much based on Christian beliefs. I'm having a hard time getting my board of review because I'm not reverent...and because I dont have "Scout Spirit" (even though I've been in it since I was a TIGER CUB)....But, yeah...it is rather intolerant, so stfu please those who say otherwise, even if you are a scout...

Well, that's part of the Scout Law. Reverence. If you can't live up to it, well, I'll let you fill in the blanks.

I'm a white, male, strait Shiite Muslim and I say...
'Sup?
Would that be the Bering Strait or the Strait of Magellan?

Why should the government support an organisation like scouts? There's no point to it other than to waste taxpayer money.

I'll give you this one. There's a lot of programs government supports/runs, and they need to be removed from the budget. It's a shame though that the ones teaching children decent moral values are the first ones to go.

Where did he say he was Republican?

He did, but I don't remember where.

Thanks for the update, soon enough you'll be just like our friend VoteEarly!

Communist Mississippi is an aquaitence of mine. I'm trying to become friends with him, but he's too involved in his RPs. :)

What about the Boys who are also gay?

They don't count. ;) In all honesty, though, I wouldn't want to have to tent with a homosexual, just like a homosexual probably wouldn't want to tent with me. He'll have the gay pride flag, I'll have a little cross and altar. We probably won't get along. :) Although, I wouldn't have to worry about it, seeing as I'm ASPL. :D

50 miles? Oh no, you don't hate gays at all. :rolleyes:

I don't want a gay scoutmaster in charge of my troop. That is an insult to Baden Powell and the Scout Law.

How is endorsing Christianity, "religious neutral"?

Not sure on that one. :)

Pro-"justified"-death is still pro-death (penalty).

Meh. Some people just don't deserve to live.

Maybe you can't see it, but the way many liberals see the "conservative" movement is one that wants to create a pro-corporate moralist dictatorship. Not easy to swallow.

That's unfortunate, because I know that isn't my dream of America, and a lot of people share my dream for America. What you just stated is the liberal propoganda against Republican Conservatism.

What's so radical about wanting to be accepted?

Nothing. What I don't like is the fact they want people to accept them as norm.

Now, as I don't want to miss the bus, I have to go. :D

I'll give you this one. There's a lot of programs government supports/runs, and they need to be removed from the budget. It's a shame though that the ones teaching children decent moral values are the first ones to go.

What place does the government have in teaching "moral" values anyway? That's the responsibility of parents... Keep the government out of it.

I was a scout as a child right until my Webelo (I misspelled that I'm sure.) year. That was the year I realized the scouts were little more than a recruiting front for the right-wing, and decided there were better uses for my time than supporting a biggoted organization. The thing that convinced me was the requirement that a scout speak to a religious leader. Seeing a distinct lack of athiest leaders... Well... I was screwed anyway.


I don't want a gay scoutmaster in charge of my troop. That is an insult to Baden Powell and the Scout Law.

And I don't want a facist, neo-con, fat cat, warmonger as my president. Its an insult to the founding fathers and the United States.


Not sure on that one. :)

I hate to break it to you, but that's what most Right-wing bigg- er I mean christians seem to want. I'm not saying that you do, but I'm saying that supporting the conservative agenda means supporting that as well.



Meh. Some people just don't deserve to live.

I'm glad that some people among us feel they have the high ground from which to decide who lives and who dies [/extreme sarcasm]. We don't have the right to decide who dies. We just don't.



That's unfortunate, because I know that isn't my dream of America, and a lot of people share my dream for America. What you just stated is the liberal propoganda against Republican Conservatism.

Not really. I mean... It's evident to anyone watching that Republican Conservatavism is based mostly off of supporting the "faith". If you look at the characteristics of a facist system, the Bush Administration shows signs of all 14 (some more so than less... but all 14 all the same.)



Nothing. What I don't like is the fact they want people to accept them as norm.


I know! Its outrageous that people have the sheer gall to demand the right to beleive what they want to. [/sarcasm]. You can't hear me, but I'm wretching in disgust at your blatant homophobia. Who gives you the right to tell them how to live? Is it not their right? Are they hurting you? Are they hurting anyone? No. Is it your business? No. So just back off. They probably don't care if you accept them, as long as you get your noses out of where they don't belong.

I'll give you this one. There's a lot of programs government supports/runs, and they need to be removed from the budget. It's a shame though that the ones teaching children decent moral values are the first ones to go.

They don't count. ;) In all honesty, though, I wouldn't want to have to tent with a homosexual, just like a homosexual probably wouldn't want to tent with me. He'll have the gay pride flag, I'll have a little cross and altar. We probably won't get along.

Meh. Some people just don't deserve to live.

That's unfortunate, because I know that isn't my dream of America, and a lot of people share my dream for America. What you just stated is the liberal propoganda against Republican Conservatism.

Nothing. What I don't like is the fact they want people to accept them as norm.
Moral values are so subjective, and not the government's business either.

Not all gays are rainbow-waving atheists and not all Christians are militant homophobes. Why you are insulted by a little flag, and why he would be insulted by a cross is beyond me.

Maybe they don't (as a Christian surely you would say that that is for only God to decide?), but because the justice system is supposed to hold the moral high ground, and is supposed to be more civilised than the criminal, I think that they should be allowed to live. In prison. :D

What is your dream for America? Because a lot of liberals/libertarians see it is as Republicans wanting to take away some of their rights.

You are OK with accepting them, but not as the norm? What other way is there to accept people?

That's funny. Anyone notice how he's kind of bashing himself in his tyrade?

sorry to break it to ya m8 but protestant is church of england!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! also it was just made up but henry 8th

sorry to break it to ya m8 but protestant is church of england!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! also it was just made up but henry 8th
The Church of England is a protestant church, but not the only one. The Protestant movement was started by Martin Luther in 1517 in Germany.

The Church of England is a protestant church, but not the only one. The Protestant movement was started by Martin Luther in 1517 in Germany.

And here I thought it was the Lutheran movement that started in 1517 :D

Good for you.

I'm a straight, white, open-minded moderate Christian. I'm also mortal, as are you to the best of my knowledge, which makes us both imperfect along with the rest of mortal life. (End seriousness.)

All of us are on the whole lacking in common sense, but we're usually too proud to admit it. Yep, that's something to be proud of, all right.

*passes out grains of salt to take with the preceding sarcasm*

Thank you for sharing your views with us. It is nice to see someone expressing their 1st Amendment Rights. On a side note, the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) is an organization dedicated to protecting that right, and all the other rights given to us in the Bill of Rights. They don't discriminate when it comes to defending someones liberties, so maybe that is why you don't like them. These laws must bind all men, or they are not laws at all.

I have said what i intended to say, and i shall leave it at that.
Peace be with you.

Abortion is Genocide.


No it isn't.

Genocide is the attempt to destroy an entire gene pool, usually used to refer to acts of 'ethnic cleansing'.

Abortion is the inducement of a miscarriage.

The ONLY way in which abortion COULD be genocide - is if an entire gene-pool were ONLY contained in embryonic form, and you forced ALL of those embryonic forms to be artifically miscarried.

That seems to be rather far from what is usually assumed under the aegis of the term 'abortion'.

No it isn't.

Genocide is the attempt to destroy an entire gene pool, usually used to refer to acts of 'ethnic cleansing'.

Abortion is the inducement of a miscarriage.

The ONLY way in which abortion COULD be genocide - is if an entire gene-pool were ONLY contained in embryonic form, and you forced ALL of those embryonic forms to be artifically miscarried.

That seems to be rather far from what is usually assumed under the aegis of the term 'abortion'.
Silly :fluffle:
You and your correct use of … what do they call them?

Ummm
OH YEAH!!!!111!!!
Words

Also, The Clinton Sex Scandal was just too big of a story to pass up. If they didn't cover it, people would wonder.


I suspect a little bias, here.

For me, that wasn't the 'big' story.

Please, compare:

The (Democrat) President (who has already admitted to illicit liaisons), has oral pleasure at the hands (or mouth) of an office assistant, who then decided to keep her stained dress for another year, without washing it...

Versus:

A (Republican) Senator who takes his wife to sex clubs (his television and movie actress wife, who played "7 of 9" - the Borg crewmember in StarTrek: Voyager) and tries to 'lend her out' to the other patrons... until, eventually, she files for divorce.

Silly :fluffle:
You and your correct use of … what do they call them?

Ummm
OH YEAH!!!!111!!!
Words

Tee Hee...

Morning, Mr Thrust. :)

:fluffle:

I know, I know... I'm just so picky about the use of the... what do they call it... language?

Tee Hee...

Morning, Mr Thrust. :)

:fluffle:

I know, I know... I'm just so picky about the use of the... what do they call it... language?
Yup :) and rightly so :fluffle: :fluffle:

And here I thought it was the Lutheran movement that started in 1517 :D
And here I thought the correct term was Protestant Reformation :rolleyes:

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.
>>>>snip<<<<<<<<<<<



hahah. i have had many a nazi go against that one when confronted with certain *ahem* temptations.

I love it when liberals go on about how tolerant they are, then as soon as somebody disagrees with them, their ideas or their worldview, they break out into screaming hissy-fits of personal abuse.

Oh well, nobodies ever accused liberals of being objective...

While not an American, i do share the original posters pride in many things.

Proud to be straight.

Proud to be white.

Proud to be English

Proud to be Protestant.

What the hell you gonna do about it?

:D

I love it when liberals go on about how tolerant they are, then as soon as somebody disagrees with them, their ideas or their worldview, they break out into screaming hissy-fits of personal abuse.

Oh well, nobodies ever accused liberals of being objective...

While not an American, i do share the original posters pride in many things.

Proud to be straight.

Proud to be white.

Proud to be English

Proud to be Protestant.

What the hell you gonna do about it?

:D
uhhh. nothing. i am a true believer in free speech. so i havent an issue with neos, wn- ists, and so on. but whati want to know is , as demonstrated in the last sentence of the quoted post..... why do you guys always act sop threatened. i dont see many of you that are actually proud. i do see a lot that appear to be runing scared. maybe thats why the supremacy movements never gain any steam. because your statements always sound afraid.

I love it when liberals go on about how tolerant they are, then as soon as somebody disagrees with them, their ideas or their worldview, they break out into screaming hissy-fits of personal abuse.

Oh well, nobodies ever accused liberals of being objective...

While not an American, i do share the original posters pride in many things.

Proud to be straight.

Proud to be white.

Proud to be English

Proud to be Protestant.

What the hell you gonna do about it?

:D
uhhh. nothing. i am a true believer in free speech. so i havent an issue with neos, wn- ists, and so on. but whati want to know is , as demonstrated in the last sentence of the quoted post..... why do you guys always act so threatened. i dont see many of you that are actually proud. i do see a lot that appear to be runing scared. maybe thats why the supremacy movements never gain any steam. because your statements always sound afraid.

I love it when liberals go on about how tolerant they are, then as soon as somebody disagrees with them, their ideas or their worldview, they break out into screaming hissy-fits of personal abuse.

Oh well, nobodies ever accused liberals of being objective...

While not an American, i do share the original posters pride in many things.

Proud to be straight.

Proud to be white.

Proud to be English

Proud to be Protestant.

What the hell you gonna do about it?

:D
uhhh. nothing. i am a true believer in free speech. so i havent an issue with neos, wn- ists, and so on. but whati want to know is , as demonstrated in the last sentence of the quoted post..... why do you guys always act so threatened. i dont see many of you that are actually proud. i do see a lot that appear to be running scared. maybe thats why the supremacy movements never gain any steam. because your statements always sound afraid.

And here I thought the correct term was Protestant Reformation :rolleyes:

Duh! Didn't you see the :D by my remark?

I know full well it was the Protestant reformation! I was cracking a joke.

And im disgusted you would associate yourself with Europe.

Not to sound intolerant but, we don't want your sort round here, there's no need to mention us along with yourslef.

What's wrong with Europe? :( I'm European...

What's a protestant?

What's a protestant?
Form of Christianity

uhhh. nothing. i am a true believer in free speech. so i havent an issue with neos, wn- ists, and so on. but whati want to know is , as demonstrated in the last sentence of the quoted post..... why do you guys always act so threatened. i dont see many of you that are actually proud. i do see a lot that appear to be running scared. maybe thats why the supremacy movements never gain any steam. because your statements always sound afraid.X 3

I think he would get the point after the first one. ;)

What's wrong with Europe? :( I'm European...
thats not what he's saying read it again...


And im disgusted you would associate yourself with Europe.

Not to sound intolerant but, we don't want your sort round here, there's no need to mention us along with yourslef.

He meant he finds something wrong with Derscon and he doesn't want him to associate himself with us europeans.

I see them at the Supreme Court. I used to see them at most Court Houses till the ACLU got their hands on it and got them to be declared Unconstitutional because it violates the so called "Seperation of Church and state"

Exactly my point.


And the Government is Religious Neutral. Otherwise, we would've had a state religion by now and we don't!

The Goverment is no longer Relgious neutral, the shrub favors Christianity. He now tries to enforce Christian views on other issues(ie the UN's report on woman equality. The US wants them to remove the right to an abortion, money for aids programs have to talk about abstinance).


And I don't consider him an idiot. I consider him standing up FOR the constitution of the United States and the principles that this nation was founded on.

This nation was not founded for Christianity. He is an idiot and he stands against the Constitution. He didn't announce that statue. He had it installed late at night. He was asked what about changing it to include other laws such as Hamurabi which guides todays laws. He said absolutely not!


Here's something else for you to chew on. In florida, they had relics from all 3 religions, the ACLU wanted the Christian one gone but not the other 2. They don't mind the Koran to be taught but heaven forbid you teach *gasp* the bible in school. Don't get me started on the ACLU!

I know where you stand. You are a Christian so the ACLU is evil. You overlook the cases where the ACLU actually stood up for *shock* Christians.

The Florida case? Post a link. I am sure there is more to the story then you suggest.

As to the Koran, there is more to that story as well. But you knew that didn't you.....

I'm a bisexual, pagan, gun-loving, Nature-loving, swinging, tax-hating, anti-spending, anti-NOW, anti-Moral Majority, libertarian white American male! Now, THAT is a minority! :) :sniper: :headbang:

I love it when liberals go on about how tolerant they are, then as soon as somebody disagrees with them, their ideas or their worldview, they break out into screaming hissy-fits of personal abuse.

Meh, we're still better than conservatives on free speech.

What's a protestant?
It's what you are if you are Christian but not Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.

Meh, we're still better than conservatives on free speech.

No doubt. I am somewhat amazed at peoples views about the shrub. You are almost a traitor to judge him. Say nastythings about him. And yet, bashing Clinton is justified.

I'm a bisexual, pagan, gun-loving, Nature-loving, swinging, tax-hating, anti-spending, anti-NOW, anti-Moral Majority, libertarian white American male! Now, THAT is a minority! :) :sniper: :headbang:

If I loved you anymore, I'd already be in your bedroom.

Hmm...well, I AM in an open relationship.... :)

No doubt. I am somewhat amazed at peoples views about the shrub. You are almost a traitor to judge him. Say nastythings about him.
Wow, has it really gotten that bad?

I suppose starting a war is one way to keep your loyalty up!

What place does the government have in teaching "moral" values anyway? That's the responsibility of parents... Keep the government out of it.

That's one of the reasons I'm conceding my point. Personally, though, it is a sad reflection on society that funds are withdrawn from the Boy Scouts instead of , but hell, you've got to start somewhere.

Of course, starting implies you intend on finishing the job, which the government will never do, unless you get another Reagan in office. All the other Repub's are spinelacking to do the economic reforms required to make this nation prosper.

I was a scout as a child right until my Webelo (I misspelled that I'm sure.) year.

Who cares? I can't spell worth crap.

That was the year I realized the scouts were little more than a recruiting front for the right-wing, and decided there were better uses for my time than supporting a biggoted organization.

Well, I'm glad to see that you think right-wingers and Christians are biggots.

The thing that convinced me was the requirement that a scout speak to a religious leader.

A scout is [i]reverent, my friend.

Seeing a distinct lack of athiest leaders... Well... I was screwed anyway.

:) How would that work? "First Church of Atheism." :confused: I guess New Age is the closest thing you can get, but I don't think scouts recognizes that. :D I know I don't.

And I don't want a facist, neo-con, fat cat, warmonger as my president.

And you don't, assuming you're talking about Bush. If you're talking about me, I'm not facist, I'm a TRUE Conservative (neo-cons suck), and I'm not fat. :p

I hate to break it to you, but that's what most Right-wing bigg- er I mean christians seem to want.

Again, you seem to think all right-wing Christians are biggots.

I'm not saying that you do, but I'm saying that supporting the conservative agenda means supporting that as well.

So, if I'm a conservative,I'm a biggot? I don't remember what you quoted here, so if I totally blew this out of porportion, I apologize.

I'm glad that some people among us feel they have the high ground from which to decide who lives and who dies [/extreme sarcasm]. We don't have the right to decide who dies. We just don't.

If you had to pick one, which would you rather die, a serial killer or an unborn baby? Most liberals seem to be picking the last one -- by choice, mind you, not because they're forced to.

Not really. I mean... It's evident to anyone watching that Republican Conservatavism is based mostly off of supporting the "faith".

Some of it is. Republicanism is supposed to be supporting capitalism and national defence, but there are too many spineless Republicans out there. I thought there was hope in Georgie, but I feel I'm being let down by him.

If you look at the characteristics of a facist system, the Bush Administration shows signs of all 14 (some more so than less... but all 14 all the same.)

What are the charateristics of facism? I know very well Bush isn't a facist, otherwise you'd be dead. :)

I know! Its outrageous that people have the sheer gall to demand the right to beleive what they want to. [/sarcasm]. You can't hear me, but I'm wretching in disgust at your blatant homophobia. Who gives you the right to tell them how to live? Is it not their right? Are they hurting you? Are they hurting anyone? No. Is it your business? No. So just back off. They probably don't care if you accept them, as long as you get your noses out of where they don't belong.

Frankly, if they want to be a homosexual, fine, just don't try to:

A) Force it on me

B) Tell me it's normal

derscon. also waiting for you over at the white nationalist thread.

Meh, we're still better than conservatives on free speech.

Care to place a bet?

It's what you are if you are Christian but not Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.

LOL but accurate though what about Baptists, Lutherans and the other Christian faiths?

Frankly, if they want to be a homosexual, fine, just don't try to:

A) Force it on me

B) Tell me it's normal
A) Who is trying to force it on you? That's right nobody.

B) Sorry, you don't have a right not to be offended. It's funny that Democrats want political correctness to avoid offending minorities, and the Republicans criticise them for it. Meanwhile Republicans want political correctness to avoid offending right-wing Christians.

Care to place a bet?

LOL but accurate though what about Baptists, Lutherans and the other Christian faiths?
No, I don't really believe that conservatives want to get rid of free speech. It just seemed like a quick and incendiary answer.

Don't Baptists and Lutherans fall under the Protestant umbrella? I suppose I forgot to include Quakers and Mormons. They are separate.

A) Who is trying to force it on you? That's right nobody.

B) Sorry, you don't have a right not to be offended. It's funny that Democrats want political correctness to avoid offending minorities, and the Republicans criticise them for it. Meanwhile Republicans want political correctness to avoid offending right-wing Christians.

Political Correctness offends me! Therefor, its politicall incorrect to be politically correct

Political Correctness offends me! Therefor, its politicall incorrect to be politically correct

So... not being able to use racial insults offends you?

So... not being able to use racial insults offends you?

Hey, I have friends that I can get away with doing that too. Ofcourse, they also know that I use it jokingly and not in a mean way.

As for racial insults, depends if it insights a riot or not.

Frankly, if they want to be a homosexual, fine, just don't try to:

A) Force it on me

B) Tell me it's normal

A) Aww somebody try to recruit you for the gay lifestyle club again. Hmmm Lets see, somebody forcing somebody to be gay.....How about NOBODY!

B) My how judgemental. And to think you were labeling other people about doing that. Finally, you don't have a right to not be offended. Just because you are offended by homosexuality doesn't make it wrong.

Everything that Derscon said applies to me too. I support him 100%. It's time we expressed ourselves. Soooo, ya'll can just kiss it! :P

Political Correctness offends me! Therefor, its politicall incorrect to be politically correct
Uh...yeah

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!


u r the SUCK !!!!!!!111!!!!!!111 One one one

Wait....

How are you working getting your Eagle when you're eighteen already?

And aren't gays banned from scouts?



Well, that's part of the Scout Law. Reverence. If you can't live up to it, well, I'll let you fill in the blanks.

as I said, it's a long story. Everything is done EXCEPT my board of review, which can be done after I'm 18 smartarse... and no we arent banned from scouts, twit.

As for reverence - I have my own beliefs which dont correlate to any major religion really, so, what then, hmm?

Check the news, gays actually are banned from scouts.

On my Honor,
I will do my best,
To do my duty,
To GOD and my country, <------Right there, Athiests aren't liked
To obey the Socut law and to help other people at all times:
To keep myself physically strong,
Mentally awake,
AND MORALLY STRAIGHT. <----Right there.

And yes, I'm working on my Eagle Project (Derscon, you better help), so I have the right to scold you. Boy Scouts are a private org., so they can be selective.

*cough* if they're out, which I'm not...within scouts at least...

and I choose not to say the "To God" part of the Oath, as well as "Under God" when doing the Pledge. Tis my choice to do so, and if anyone has a problem with it...then they should keep it to themselves...

Check the news, gays actually are banned from scouts.

On my Honor,
I will do my best,
To do my duty,
To GOD and my country, <------Right there, Athiests aren't liked
To obey the Socut law and to help other people at all times:
To keep myself physically strong,
Mentally awake,
AND MORALLY STRAIGHT. <----Right there.

And yes, I'm working on my Eagle Project (Derscon, you better help), so I have the right to scold you. Boy Scouts are a private org., so they can be selective.


Which is fine as long as the government isn't supporting the Boy Scouts.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

forgive me, you must be kidding. well, I can't help myself - you seem to lack tolerance which is supposed encouraged by the american way, which you seem to hold quite dear. gays aren't trying to shove some radical belief down your throat, they're trying to prove an important point, and although i am not gay, i support their cause. the constitution, bill of rights, and declaration of independance together say that all people should be garneteed eqal legal rights, and trust me, marriage licences are issued by the state, not the pope, so they deserve to have marriage like everyone else. you support bush, does that mean that you support the killing of little kids, and their mothers and fathers in "danger zones" in Iraq? your bible doesn't sancion the killing of small children simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and "might be terrorists" THAT'S A LOAD OF BULL!!!!!!!

The constitution states that the government will not favor one religion. our constitution was what made us a great nation - before all of this christion stuff statred coming into the admistration. if the government can't support/favor any one religion, what is with the jesUSAves? I'm not christian, jewish, muslim, atheiest, hindu, buddist, ect. and if you saw stars of davis all over, you'd be appalled wouldn't you? I think i would, simply because no religion should guide the actions of an admistration.

homosexuality does not come from DNA either. It come from social situations, like overpopulation - go watch some Yu-Gi-Oh! - you might learn something about the fact that most religions teach THE SAME MORALS!!!!!!!!!! (yes, some pagen cartoons would do good for the majority of the american population, they might teach soem tolerance.....)

As an American, I am ashamed of my county, for its leadership, and for its actions twords other countries. I am ashamed that I share a contry with people who are proud of being biggots, and I hope that other counties will simply remember that we are not all like that. I was proud of America when you could vote and have your vote counted, but that hasn't happened in the past 2 elections, so George Bush isn't really presidnet anyway. He did a lot of drinking and drugs, and he is not a good Christian man, no matter what he says about "God telling him to strike'.

Yeah it's pretty amazing that the people of 11 different states voted to change their constitutions just to say that "we hate fags".

Which is fine as long as the government isn't supporting the Boy Scouts.

The government doesn't support them.

forgive me, you must be kidding. well, I can't help myself - you seem to lack tolerance which is supposed encouraged by the american way, which you seem to hold quite dear. gays aren't trying to shove some radical belief down your throat, they're trying to prove an important point, and although i am not gay, i support their cause. the constitution, bill of rights, and declaration of independance together say that all people should be garneteed eqal legal rights, and trust me, marriage licences are issued by the state, not the pope, so they deserve to have marriage like everyone else. you support bush, does that mean that you support the killing of little kids, and their mothers and fathers in "danger zones" in Iraq? your bible doesn't sancion the killing of small children simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and "might be terrorists" THAT'S A LOAD OF BULL!!!!!!!

The constitution states that the government will not favor one religion. our constitution was what made us a great nation - before all of this christion stuff statred coming into the admistration. if the government can't support/favor any one religion, what is with the jesUSAves? I'm not christian, jewish, muslim, atheiest, hindu, buddist, ect. and if you saw stars of davis all over, you'd be appalled wouldn't you? I think i would, simply because no religion should guide the actions of an admistration.

homosexuality does not come from DNA either. It come from social situations, like overpopulation - go watch some Yu-Gi-Oh! - you might learn something about the fact that most religions teach THE SAME MORALS!!!!!!!!!! (yes, some pagen cartoons would do good for the majority of the american population, they might teach soem tolerance.....)

As an American, I am ashamed of my county, for its leadership, and for its actions twords other countries. I am ashamed that I share a contry with people who are proud of being biggots, and I hope that other counties will simply remember that we are not all like that. I was proud of America when you could vote and have your vote counted, but that hasn't happened in the past 2 elections, so George Bush isn't really presidnet anyway. He did a lot of drinking and drugs, and he is not a good Christian man, no matter what he says about "God telling him to strike'.

Well, then move! No one's forcing you to stay here. And if your feeling such that way, then you don't deserve to be an American. If you can't feel proud about your homeland, then get the hell out.

Bush won his elections fairly just like any other president. You should learn of the electorial college. You're just being a sore loser, and no one likes them.

Homosexuality actually is genetic. IF it came from overcrowding, we'd have a problem, I go to a school of 2500 kids, 30 per class, and I sure as hell ain't gay. There are no other "social situations" that could cause that. Read some science journals.

The government isn't favoring any religions. You don't see churchs getting grants, or any of the such. I got news for you, America was founded by christians.

And we aren't killing inoccent children and women in Iraq. I know people fighting in Iraq, in fact some of my family is in Iraq, so I've heard their accounts. They sure as hell didn't say any of that crap. Don't say stuff unless you've got proof.

Well, then move! No one's forcing you to stay here. And if your feeling such that way, then you don't deserve to be an American. If you can't feel proud about your homeland, then get the hell out.

Bush won his elections fairly just like any other president. You should learn of the electorial college. You're just being a sore loser, and no one likes them.

Homosexuality actually is genetic. IF it came from overcrowding, we'd have a problem, I go to a school of 2500 kids, 30 per class, and I sure as hell ain't gay. There are no other "social situations" that could cause that. Read some science journals.

The government isn't favoring any religions. You don't see churchs getting grants, or any of the such. I got news for you, America was founded by christians.

And we aren't killing inoccent children and women in Iraq. I know people fighting in Iraq, in fact some of my family is in Iraq, so I've heard their accounts. They sure as hell didn't say any of that crap. Don't say stuff unless you've got proof.


Proof?

"I go to a big school and I'm not gay" is proof that homosexuality is not a function of overcrowding?

"My family is in Iraq and they didn't say they had killed any children" is proof that no children have been killed by coalition forces in Iraq?

"I went to africa and I didn't see a lion" is proof that there are no lions in africa?

Hey, I have friends that I can get away with doing that too. Ofcourse, they also know that I use it jokingly and not in a mean way.

As for racial insults, depends if it insights a riot or not.

Which is why PC is not really a 'about your friends' issue... since within the company of your friends, you are pretty much free to say whatever you all please... that's PART of friendship.

Racial insults, sexual insults, etc in public, are a different matter.

THAT is what the PC concept is 'designed' to deal with... the issue of why someone has to suffer the barbs of another, in a supposedly free society, in a public arena.

Yes - it CAN be taken too far... people complaining about a dog named 'Blackie'... but, ultimately... there are a large number of people incapable of being respectful or tolerant to other people... unless they are pretty much COMPELLED to be so.

The government isn't favoring any religions. You don't see churchs getting grants, or any of the such. I got news for you, America was founded by christians.



What a day to say that. Have you read about the faith based initiatives President Bush has been sponsering? Are you aware of what they are? Quick hint... Their little more than a typical Fundie grab at the government's pocketbook.

Of course America was founded by christians, after all Thomas Jefferson was clearly a very religious man [/sarcasm]. Or perhaps you mean the colonies themselves? 90% of which were funded by greedy business owners in England.

You're misconstruing facts. The fact of the matter is that the government does have a religious bias, and the right-wing is all for allowing it to grow in the name of "freedom" and "morality", which are really just fronts for power-hungry clergy.

Which is why PC is not really a 'about your friends' issue... since within the company of your friends, you are pretty much free to say whatever you all please... that's PART of friendship.

Racial insults, sexual insults, etc in public, are a different matter.

THAT is what the PC concept is 'designed' to deal with... the issue of why someone has to suffer the barbs of another, in a supposedly free society, in a public arena.

Yes - it CAN be taken too far... people complaining about a dog named 'Blackie'... but, ultimately... there are a large number of people incapable of being respectful or tolerant to other people... unless they are pretty much COMPELLED to be so.

But PC goes to far. Its getting to the point where I can't say Merry Christmas without insulting someone. Its getting to the point that Holloween is becoming politically offensive. Hell, even thanksgiving is becoming offensive to some people.

There is a point where PC goes to far. We are at that point. I shall say what I want, when I want to. That is the purpose of Free Speech. The only thing I can't do, is incite a riot or cause a panick. That IS NOT protected under free speech.

But PC goes to far. Its getting to the point where I can't say Merry Christmas without insulting someone. Its getting to the point that Holloween is becoming politically offensive. Hell, even thanksgiving is becoming offensive to some people.

There is a point where PC goes to far. We are at that point. I shall say what I want, when I want to. That is the purpose of Free Speech. The only thing I can't do, is incite a riot or cause a panick. That IS NOT protected under free speech.

So - 'PC' isn't wrong... it is the extremism.

I am an Atheist, but I wish Happy Christmas to those who wish it to me.

But then... most of the sorts of things that PC opposes, are NOT the sort of things I would say, anyway.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

I'm sorry for your delusion.

political correctness has gone to the extreme it has because people have lost the fortitude to defend themselves in the face of adversity.

But PC goes to far. Its getting to the point where I can't say Merry Christmas without insulting someone. Its getting to the point that Holloween is becoming politically offensive. Hell, even thanksgiving is becoming offensive to some people.

There is a point where PC goes to far. We are at that point. I shall say what I want, when I want to. That is the purpose of Free Speech. The only thing I can't do, is incite a riot or cause a panick. That IS NOT protected under free speech.

I tend to notice when people mean a label as an insult or are just being funny.

Or sometimes, they're trying to be nice.

The problem today is that some people are way too thin-skinned, and want everything their way.

Which is why PC is not really a 'about your friends' issue... since within the company of your friends, you are pretty much free to say whatever you all please... that's PART of friendship.

Racial insults, sexual insults, etc in public, are a different matter.

THAT is what the PC concept is 'designed' to deal with... the issue of why someone has to suffer the barbs of another, in a supposedly free society, in a public arena.

Yes - it CAN be taken too far... people complaining about a dog named 'Blackie'... but, ultimately... there are a large number of people incapable of being respectful or tolerant to other people... unless they are pretty much COMPELLED to be so.
personally, i think all ideas of encouraging or enforcing "PC" language are completely counter productive. if somebody has racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise bigotted ideas, i want them to SAY SO. i want everybody to hear what they are really all about. i want everybody to see what kind of person they are. i don't want them to feel at all compelled to hide their feelings, because having them be open about their bigotry is the best way to render them utterly ineffectual.

the horrid reality today is that people have gotten to the point where they use PC language reflexively, and they tend to be more subtle about their bigotry. this makes it harder to catch them on it, and much harder to pin down their racism, because the language is ambiguous enough to let them slither out of most situations. i want them to say ******, bitch, faggot, and any other slur that comes into their head, because then the world can hear what kind of filth they really are.

(...)I love you! In a non-homosexual way. Finally someone who can be NORMAL. Instead of the "btw im homosexual" or the out-of-the-blue "im hetrosexual so what" he tells us he's proud to be American, Christian, straight and a supporter of Bush.

Go!

Soooo, ya'll can just kiss it! :P
No thanks, hey didn't he say he was straight? ;)
I'm sure someone will take your offer though.

The bottom line is that homosexuals are being denied the right to marry each other. That's not a special right; it's a right that we heterosexuals enjoy. It's only fair that they have the same rights as straights.


Marriage is not a right, it is a privilege. There are laws that prevent some heterosexuals from marrying. Cannot marry a sibling and in some states cannot marry a first cousin

It seems we have a large problem here. I've seen it when a minority person comes on stating that he/she's proud of what he/she is. Then, they get all sorts of support from people, saying they're proud of their courage to state what they are. However, when someone of the "majority", if you will, comes on saying that they're proud of what they are, they get all sorts of rebutal from the population. Immedeatly, there are people calling that person racist, a biggot, intolerant, and a jackass. Isn't there something wrong with this picture? People stereotype the "majority" way to fast. Instead of listening to that person, they stereotype. Listen, it takes a lot of courage to stand up and say "I'm one of the majority" these days because of all the stereotyping. That's why I'm proud of Derscon for creating this thread.

Therefore, I say to you, stereotype ALL, or more favorably, show acceptance to ALL who have the courage to stand up and announce what they are. Give EVERYONE an EQUAL response!!!!!

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

good for you. be proud of who you are. but don't you think those radicals are proud of who they are too? whatever happened to tolerance?

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

That beacon of hope only shines for people like you though, right? Gay people or people of other religions shouldn't expect to be treated equally, afterall to do so would take . . . well, nothing away from you.

That beacon of hope only shines for people like you though, right? Gay people or people of other religions shouldn't expect to be treated equally, afterall to do so would take . . . well, nothing away from you.

He's speaking for himself, not the nation. The nation still stands for what it originally did. You're mistaking one person's beliefs for an entire nation, a very sad mistake indeed.

gay Muslim? I think not....being gay and Muslim would be a paradox. I don't have a problem with gays, but I don't find their behavior to be moral. I hope you will just let my point of view be, and not harass me for it. As I said, gays are fine as people. But to be gay and Muslim is not possible.

To be homosexual and Christian is impossible too, but there are those who claim to be, wether they are or not. Just my .02 USD.

A) Who is trying to force it on you? That's right nobody.

No one is. I was mostly referring to point "B."

B) Sorry, you don't have a right not to be offended.

Tell your liberal bud's that.

It's funny that Democrats want political correctness to avoid offending minorities, and the Republicans criticise them for it. Meanwhile Republicans want political correctness to avoid offending right-wing Christians.

I never said that -- I HATE Political cleansing/Thought Police (Political correctness/hate crimes). You can say that it's normal, I have the right not to believe you. I have a problem when you say I'm a bigot and/or a homophobe when I say "You're not normal, even if you keep telling yourself that. You're knowhere NEAR normal." Personally, I think homosexuality is part choice part genetic fuckup.

Therefore, I say to you, stereotype ALL, or more favorably, show acceptance to ALL who have the courage to stand up and announce what they are. Give EVERYONE an EQUAL response!!!!!

What I’ve noticed in many NS posts is the people who claim to be liberal and preach acceptance and tolerance are the first to attack conservatives. They preach one thing while practicing another. :(

To be homosexual and Christian is impossible too, but there are those who claim to be, wether they are or not. Just my .02 USD.

Actually thats not true - the Bible says that homosexual practice should be banned and the thoughts not entertained. Ditto adultary etc etc. As Jesus says, if we break one law we break them all. Paul admits that he struggled with the flesh and did things that he didn't want to do, therefore he breaks Gods code as much as a homosexual.

Therefore by your argument, Paul wasn't a Christian. No that is incorrect, Paul was a Christian. What matters is that we are saved by faith, not by works. Being gay might be offensive to God but it doesn't affect the fact that if our trust is in him then we are saved. That doesn't say that we should be gay, in the book of James it talks about our actions being representative of our faith.

So, our actions can never affect whether we are Christian or not, but we should try to follow Gods teachings, which I believe include those against practicing any sexual relationship outside of heterosexual marriage.

Can I just say this.

PC is a load of crap, it's bullshit that people use to cover up their own discriminatory attitudes. What we need to work on is not HAVING those attitudes in the first place.

That way, using language that is accurate and not offensive will come naturally.

He's speaking for himself, not the nation. The nation still stands for what it originally did. You're mistaking one person's beliefs for an entire nation, a very sad mistake indeed.

I'm referring to his belief of what this nation should be. He has caused me abnormal and my DNA "degrading." Forgive me if I'm not exactly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Derscon's Rants on Political Correctness

Political correctness can be taken one of two ways (or both, actually):

Political correctness is the Great Idea Gone Wrong

or

It is the liberal attempt to create the Thought Police.

Frankly, I think it was intro'd as the first, but metamorphisized into the second.

Shall I explain?

First off, we should no longer call it "Political Correctness." That is too nice of a term for what it really is. We shall now call it "Political Cleansing." This of course a play of "ethnic cleansing," only the leftists want to rid of conservative thought, not a race. (Although the white male might be next, who knows?) The leftist Thought Police are the first to talk about "free-speech," yet the first to clamp down on conservative viewpoints.

Want an example?

Let us take the story of a college student named Eden Jacobowitz, a hard-working student, minding his own business, then suddenly an event happens and you are now a racial harrasser.

The following is a letter written January 13, 1993 (That's how long this BS has been going on) from Eden Jacobowitz to Rush Limbaugh.

On Wednesday night, members of a sorority were outside my window stomping their feet, and making a "woo-woo" noise, and shouting and singing at an extremely loud and noisy level. It was almost midnight and I was trying to study. I went to the window and shouted "Shut up you water buffalo!" And since they were singing something about a party, I said "If you're looking for a party, there's a zoo a mine from here."

Later, racial-harassment charges were brought against me because the sorority women were black. True I know the colour of their skin, but it was a matter of absolute indifference to me. All I cared about was the fact that I was trying to study and my concentration was completely disrupted by the extremely loud stomping and shouting.

Next thing I knew, the police came by the dormitory asking questions. Knowing I didn't do anything that actually should concern the police, I volunteered my information to them. Other people were shouting curses and racial slurs out their windows the same time I was shouting, but all I shouted was "water buffalo." I though this would be the last I heard about the case, but I couldn't have been more wrong.

The police came by next morning and I skipped class to talk to them. On that day I offered to speak to the women to explain my truly harmless intentions, but this was never granted to me, not by the police or by the judicial inquiry office. The next day, Jan 15, I told President [Sheldon] Hackney about the entire incident, asking him to make sure that this case doesn't turn into one where the defendant is considered guilty from the second he's accused only because the case is under a racial-harassment policy.

I was notified by Robin Reed, an assistant JI officer, that the case had been assigned to her and she'd conduct the investigation…She decided my words meant "big black animals that live in Africa." First off, water buffalo are indigenous to Asia. Second, that was the furthest meaning from my mind. "Water buffalo" described the noise they were making and is a direct English translation of the Hebrew word behema, or "fool." This word is used Jew to Jew without any racial connotations.

Oh, and a sidenote, Sheldon Hackney was at that time a friend of Hillary Clinton and a nominee for National Endowment for the Humanities. When Rush Limbaugh and the Wall Street Journal published the story, charges were mysteriously dropped. The sorority said that the "media attention would not bring about a fair trial."

Look at the attention, though, that was required for PSU to find common sense. And had Shackney not been up for a high=profile job, Eden probably would have been shafted. Who knows how many Eden's are out there?

Also, when radical homosexual whackos chalked sexually explict and anti-religious graffiti of a campus sidewalk, Hackney insured it was never cleaned up, as it was free expression.

Don't you just love Political Cleansing?

Actually thats not true - the Bible says that homosexual practice should be banned and the thoughts not entertained. Ditto adultary etc etc. As Jesus says, if we break one law we break them all. Paul admits that he struggled with the flesh and did things that he didn't want to do, therefore he breaks Gods code as much as a homosexual.

Therefore by your argument, Paul wasn't a Christian. No that is incorrect, Paul was a Christian. What matters is that we are saved by faith, not by works. Being gay might be offensive to God but it doesn't affect the fact that if our trust is in him then we are saved. That doesn't say that we should be gay, in the book of James it talks about our actions being representative of our faith.

So, our actions can never affect whether we are Christian or not, but we should try to follow Gods teachings, which I believe include those against practicing any sexual relationship outside of heterosexual marriage.

if you continue to indulge in your sins without regret, though, you will not be saved. You can't just kill thirty people and rape their husbands and wives, ask forgiveness, and do it again. That doesn't cut it.

Homosexuals must overcome their homosexuality. I do not believe it is entirely thier choice, but again, it is not entirely DNA, either. You can overcome it if you try.

If racism is "conservative thought", than I'm ashamed to be considered an economic conservative.

if you continue to indulge in your sins without regret, though, you will not be saved. You can't just kill thirty people and rape their husbands and wives, ask forgiveness, and do it again. That doesn't cut it.

Homosexuals must overcome their homosexuality. I do not believe it is entirely thier choice, but again, it is not entirely DNA, either. You can overcome it if you try.

Yup, it's all a matter of the heart. (Which only God truly knows). If someone has truly turned to God then they will repent, which means as you point out asking forgiveness, but also trying to turn from previous sinful ways.

I believe that it is possible for people to overcome the craving for homosexual relationships. Just as I don't believe in sex before marriage and my girlfriend and I have to wait for that, we don't give in, hard as that may be, so I believe that God will grant strength to those who ask him to overcome any sin.

Homosexuals must overcome their homosexuality. I do not believe it is entirely thier choice, but again, it is not entirely DNA, either. You can overcome it if you try.

You are intermixing Bi-Sexuals with homosexuals. If a person "converted" they were probably a Bi-Sexual in the first place.

Homosexuality exists in the animal world so it is not simply a choice......

If racism is "conservative thought", than I'm ashamed to be considered an economic conservative.

It is not a conservative thought at all. The leftist propoganda makes you want to think that, but it is not. I abhore racism.

It is not a conservative thought at all. The leftist propoganda makes you want to think that, but it is not. I abhore racism.

Are all conservatives Racists? Off course not.

But have you heard a Lefty scream ******? I haven't. The claim can probably be traced back to the slave days since most if not all slave owners tended to be conservative......

Homosexuality...so it is not simply a choice......

It has not been scientifically proven if the cause of homosexuality is genetic or environmental. Without this proof you cannot say it is a not a choice nor can you say it is a choice.

It has not been scientifically proven if the cause of homosexuality is genetic or environmental. Without this proof you cannot say it is a not a choice nor can you say it is a choice.

I just love how people say something can be scientifically proven. Science can never prove anything--all it can do is support or disprove. So far, homosexuality has very little support as a choice and a lot of support as a combination of genetics and environment.

It has not been scientifically proven if the cause of homosexuality is genetic or environmental. Without this proof you cannot say it is a not a choice nor can you say it is a choice.

True. But the examples in the wild tend to suggest genetic over environment.

Hmmm nature vs nurture. Ever read the case of that Candian guy that was mutilated and raised as a girl?

if you continue to indulge in your sins without regret, though, you will not be saved. You can't just kill thirty people and rape their husbands and wives, ask forgiveness, and do it again. That doesn't cut it.

Homosexuals must overcome their homosexuality. I do not believe it is entirely thier choice, but again, it is not entirely DNA, either. You can overcome it if you try.

You can overcome breathing, too... if you try.

Doesn't mean you SHOULD.

What I’ve noticed in many NS posts is the people who claim to be liberal and preach acceptance and tolerance are the first to attack conservatives. They preach one thing while practicing another. :(

I'm a conservative dumbass.

I'm a conservative dumbass.
LOL, here's a comma use it: ,

Are all conservatives Racists? Off course not.

But have you heard a Lefty scream ******? I haven't. The claim can probably be traced back to the slave days since most if not all slave owners tended to be conservative......


They were of course also Democrats... But they were most definantly conservatives...

Gotta love the way the parties switched roles.

I'm a conservative dumbass.
LOL ... better take that comma offered below :)

Derscon's Rants on Political Correctness

Political correctness can be taken one of two ways (or both, actually):

Political correctness is the Great Idea Gone Wrong

or

It is the liberal attempt to create the Thought Police.

...yadda yadda yadda...


Don't you just love Political Cleansing?

If you define political correctness as "either a bad thing or another bad thing" it is quite easy to then go on to say that it is a bad thing.

I define political correctness as making an effort to ensure that your words and deeds reflect equity of treatment and respect for all people, even when you come from a society or environment that takes inequity and disrespect for granted, and indeed habitually uses words and practices which denigrate people.

And I don't think that's a bad thing.

If you define political correctness as "either a bad thing or another bad thing" it is quite easy to then go on to say that it is a bad thing.

I define political correctness as making an effort to ensure that your words and deeds reflect equity of treatment and respect for all people, even when you come from a society or environment that takes inequity and disrespect for granted, and indeed habitually uses words and practices which denigrate people.

And I don't think that's a bad thing.

And I define Political Correctness as a form of Newspeak, an Orwellian restriction of free speech by social pressure and rhetoric.

And I define Political Correctness as a form of Newspeak, an Orwellian restriction of free speech by social pressure and rhetoric.

There are things that you just don't say. Political correctness is just not using discriminative and racist terms. Guess that's sorta hard for most conservatives though.

If you define political correctness as "either a bad thing or another bad thing" it is quite easy to then go on to say that it is a bad thing.

I define political correctness as making an effort to ensure that your words and deeds reflect equity of treatment and respect for all people, even when you come from a society or environment that takes inequity and disrespect for granted, and indeed habitually uses words and practices which denigrate people.

And I don't think that's a bad thing.

The problem is that in its current incarnation, that's not what PC speech is.

PC speech is currently any effort to ensure that your words and deeds reflect the bashing of any gender, ethnic group, or religion that now, or in the past, ever held any political power, and that towards those groups you will enforce inequity and disrespect and habitually use words and practices that denigrate the people who identify with those groups.

That's much, much closer to how PC speech is in reality.

Homosexuality is NOT evil. It is perfectly natural. I'm sorry that you and your girlfriend are missing out on lovemaking, but don't drag us down with yourselves. Sex, whether for love or lust, married or not, gay or straight, is perfectly natural and wholesome. What's unnatural is celibacy. Paul was the unnatural one, not the "sodomites" he wrongfully condemned. Incidentally, I think that Paul himself was a repressed, self-hating homosexual, like most of the extreme homophobes (they're usually either secretly gay or secretly bisexual). Note in the first chapter of his letter to the Romans how he lingers over the part about male homosexuality as if both attracted to it and repulsed by it at the same time. He hated the flesh, he hated his own homosexual impulses, and he looked for a religion that provided a loophole in the Mosaic prohibition of sodomy that would allow to condemn it without condemning himself, so he seized on Christianity as convenient for his purposes. That was his "road to Damascus" epiphany, not some blinding vision of a "risen" Jesus. It was pragmatic on his part.

There are things that you just don't say. Political correctness is just not using discriminative and racist terms. Guess that's sorta hard for most conservatives though.

It's not just racist or sexist speech that you censor, although the racists and sexists still have their First Amendment rights (was it not intended to protect unpopular views?). It's also anything that offends anyone, which is impossible to avoid in life. You can't please everyone, and you'll be mad or miserable if you try.

It's not just racist or sexist speech that you censor, although the racists and sexists still have their First Amendment rights (was it not intended to protect unpopular views?). It's also anything that offends anyone, which is impossible to avoid in life. You can't please everyone, and you'll be mad or miserable if you try.

That's political correctness taken too far. Moderate political correctness, avoiding unfair and derogatory slurs in public, is not an unreasonable thing. However, its not a thing the government should be involved in. Its a matter of personal choice, otherwise in infringes on the First Amendmant.

Homosexuality is NOT evil. It is perfectly natural. I'm sorry that you and your girlfriend are missing out on lovemaking, but don't drag us down with yourselves. Sex, whether for love or lust, married or not, gay or straight, is perfectly natural and wholesome. What's unnatural is celibacy. Paul was the unnatural one, not the "sodomites" he wrongfully condemned. Incidentally, I think that Paul himself was a repressed, self-hating homosexual, like most of the extreme homophobes (they're usually either secretly gay or secretly bisexual). Note in the first chapter of his letter to the Romans how he lingers over the part about male homosexuality as if both attracted to it and repulsed by it at the same time. He hated the flesh, he hated his own homosexual impulses, and he looked for a religion that provided a loophole in the Mosaic prohibition of sodomy that would allow to condemn it without condemning himself, so he seized on Christianity as convenient for his purposes. That was his "road to Damascus" epiphany, not some blinding vision of a "risen" Jesus. It was pragmatic on his part.


Hmmm, not trying to "drag you down" in any way. See, this is where we differ. I'm happy trying to live under Gods standards, even though I find some of them hard to deal with. You want to put people at the centre, not God. Fine, thats what you're doing. You saying that celibacy isn't natural though doesn't ring with your argument. You're saying that anything goes as long as it feels natural. What if being celibate feels natural.

I think you'll find that I was expressing the general Christian reading of homosexuality...that the Bible says that it is as bad as adultary (same thing in many respects) and so should be treated the same as that adn we should do all we can to avoid practicing it. Christians believe that sex is great...in the context of a heterosexual marriage.

That's political correctness taken too far. Moderate political correctness, avoiding unfair and derogatory slurs in public, is not an unreasonable thing. However, its not a thing the government should be involved in. Its a matter of personal choice, otherwise in infringes on the First Amendmant.

That's just my point. That's why PC has become hated. It has gone so far to the extreme left that people despise any attempt at it. What you call "moderate political correctness", I prefer to call common courtesy.

Hmmm, not trying to "drag you down" in any way. See, this is where we differ. I'm happy trying to live under Gods standards, even though I find some of them hard to deal with. You want to put people at the centre, not God. Fine, thats what you're doing. You saying that celibacy isn't natural though doesn't ring with your argument. You're saying that anything goes as long as it feels natural. What if being celibate feels natural.

I think you'll find that I was expressing the general Christian reading of homosexuality...that the Bible says that it is as bad as adultary (same thing in many respects) and so should be treated the same as that adn we should do all we can to avoid practicing it. Christians believe that sex is great...in the context of a heterosexual marriage.

It would be a most unusual person indeed, perhaps a genetic mutant, who found celibacy to feel natural. As for God, I believe in many gods, and, as they put themselves first, I put people first indeed. We co-operate for our own benefit. I'm not interested in living under the "standards" of your god. I don't believe that the "context of heterosexual marriage" is wide and open enough for everyone. Also, Jesus and Paul both made statements preferring celibacy and basically insinuating that sexuality is a lesser path for lesser people. That's not a healthy attitude to sex. Sexual abstinence is a "dangerous dietary prescription" following the "religious neuroses" as Nietzsche put it. He also referred to the "hair-shirted despisers of the body", which I happen to find an apt description for Jesus and Paul (although Paul deviated a bit from Jesus's teachings too).

It would be a most unusual person indeed, perhaps a genetic mutant, who found celibacy to feel natural. As for God, I believe in many gods, and, as they put themselves first, I put people first indeed. We co-operate for our own benefit. I'm not interested in living under the "standards" of your god. I don't believe that the "context of heterosexual marriage" is wide and open enough for everyone. Also, Jesus and Paul both made statements preferring celibacy and basically insinuating that sexuality is a lesser path for lesser people. That's not a healthy attitude to sex. Sexual abstinence is a "dangerous dietary prescription" following the "religious neuroses" as Nietzsche put it. He also referred to the "hair-shirted despisers of the body", which I happen to find an apt description for Jesus and Paul (although Paul deviated a bit from Jesus's teachings too).

Paul and Jesus say that most people would find it easier to dedicate more time and effort to God if they were celibate (ie not married by their standards). Which makes sense.
I haven't found any dangerous side effects to not having sex. And once again, the Bible spends a lot of time saying how good sex is in the right context.
Ps I don't believe that "you shall not kill" is wide enough and open for everyone, as there are people who want to kill. Still, God knows best so following his guidelines makes more sense.

Paul and Jesus say that most people would find it easier to dedicate more time and effort to God if they were celibate (ie not married by their standards). Which makes sense.
I haven't found any dangerous side effects to not having sex. And once again, the Bible spends a lot of time saying how good sex is in the right context.
Ps I don't believe that "you shall not kill" is wide enough and open for everyone, as there are people who want to kill. Still, God knows best so following his guidelines makes more sense.

They basically endorse celibacy (Jesus so much as admits that his reversal of the Mosaic provision on divorce was done to discourage marriage in the first place). I have no interest in "dedicating" myself to your god. There are plenty of dangerous side effects of celibacy, among them prostatitis, increased stress, a reduction of potential cardiovascular exercise, increased cortisol levels, and the sublimation of sexual energy into religious or political fanaticism. Your "right context" is not enough for me. Your god doesn't know what's best for me, because he doesn't exist. He's a figment of your imagination. Not all killing is evil, either. The Mosaic prohibition was of murder, not war, execution, or self-defense. (Though, of course, the infanticide involved in the capture of those Canaanite cities was mass murder in my view.) Anyway, you Christians are quite convenient in your quotations of the Torah. You only quote passages that suit your dogmas. Here's a quote for you: Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD thy God which I command you." In other words, Malachi, Jesus, Paul, and anyone else who altered the Torah in ANY way, was guilty of breaking the Torah.

I recommend that you read the rest of that chapter...seeing as it is about obedience to God, and not just about who said what.

I recommend that you read the rest of that chapter...seeing as it is about obedience to God, and not just about who said what.

I HAVE read that Chapter! How do you think I came across that passage in the first place! Anyway, as long as you Christians disobey the commandment in Deuteronomy 4:2, you have no room to lecture me about what the Torah or the rest of your bible teaches! You're in breach of the Mosaic Law, as was your god! I don't claim to be Jewish, Muslim, or Christian, so the Mosaic Law has no jurisdiction over me.

"Then, why do you alter the Law to suit yourselves? In a thousand ways, you have perverted not only Moses but the Nazarene, and you have done so ever since the blasphemous Paul of Tarsus said 'Christ is the end of the Law'! You are neither Hebrew nor Galilean but opportunists!" from Julian by Gore Vidal.

I love that quote. Here's another from the same book:

"Not I. You. I worship as men have worshipped since the beginning of time. It is you who have abandoned not only philosophy but God himself!"

:) Just checking :cool: as a lot of people quote lines like that out of context

So you realise that in that passage, Moses is talking about the law before it is fulfilled. So what is the problem with Malachi (who added nothing to the law), Jesus (who was the fulfillment of the law) or Paul (who pointed to Jesus)? Moses is telling the Israelites (Hear Oh Israel), that he giving them the law as commanded by God.

:) Just checking :cool: as a lot of people quote lines like that out of context

So you realise that in that passage, Moses is talking about the law before it is fulfilled. So what is the problem with Malachi (who added nothing to the law), Jesus (who was the fulfillment of the law) or Paul (who pointed to Jesus)? Moses is telling the Israelites (Hear Oh Israel), that he giving them the law as commanded by God.

Jesus did not "fulfill" the Law. That's just the excuse given for his violations of the law. The Law was a permanent covenant between Yahweh and Israel, not a temporary, universal deal. Malachi was guilty of altering the Mosaic Law on divorce. Jesus broke the Law several times, including the rule about changing the Law (again, the example of divorce comes to mind). Paul twisted the Law into a conveniently dispensational device to "lead us to Christ". It was no such thing! It was a permanent code of law, intended to be in effect for all time. That's where Judaism and Christianity disagree, of course, but we pagans tend to agree more with the Jews on this issue. Moses said nothing about the Law being "fulfilled" by anyone. I would think Moses the final human authority over his own body of law.

The problem is that in its current incarnation, that's not what PC speech is.

PC speech is currently any effort to ensure that your words and deeds reflect the bashing of any gender, ethnic group, or religion that now, or in the past, ever held any political power, and that towards those groups you will enforce inequity and disrespect and habitually use words and practices that denigrate the people who identify with those groups.

That's much, much closer to how PC speech is in reality.

that's what you think, and you're wrong. Maybe lots of other people are wrong with you. In all my life I have occasionally experienced incidences of over zealous political correctness, ie worrying that things are offensive that aren't offensive, but I have never ever experienced an incidence of deliberate offense against a traditional powerful majority.

Like some council one worried that Baa Baa Black Sheep might offend black people, but they didn't change the words to Baa Baa White Imperialist Bastard.

Jesus did not "fulfill" the Law. That's just the excuse given for his violations of the law. The Law was a permanent covenant between Yahweh and Israel, not a temporary, universal deal. Malachi was guilty of altering the Mosaic Law on divorce. Jesus broke the Law several times, including the rule about changing the Law (again, the example of divorce comes to mind). Paul twisted the Law into a conveniently dispensational device to "lead us to Christ". It was no such thing! It was a permanent code of law, intended to be in effect for all time. That's where Judaism and Christianity disagree, of course, but we pagans tend to agree more with the Jews on this issue. Moses said nothing about the Law being "fulfilled" by anyone. I would think Moses the final human authority over his own body of law.

Somewhere in the gospel, I think in John, Jesus says "I come to change not one iota of the law". ie leave the law as it is, it's fine.

As you say, it was Paul who decided that gentile converts didn't have to obey jewish law.

Somewhere in the gospel, I think in John, Jesus says "I come to change not one iota of the law". ie leave the law as it is, it's fine.

As you say, it was Paul who decided that gentile converts didn't have to obey jewish law.

Jesus said one thing and did another, just like the "hypocritical" Pharisees he denounced. He was a hypocrite himself, and more of a political, self-appointed rabbi than a true scholar or Messiah.

Paul was looking for a way out of the Torah's ban on "sodomy", since he was probably a closet gay himself. Christianity offered him a loophole.

Jesus said one thing and did another, just like the "hypocritical" Pharisees he denounced. He was a hypocrite himself, and more of a political, self-appointed rabbi than a true scholar or Messiah.

Show me where Jesus was a hypocrit!

Paul was looking for a way out of the Torah's ban on "sodomy", since he was probably a closet gay himself. Christianity offered him a loophole.

Oh brother!

Show me where Jesus was a hypocrit!



Oh brother!

Let me see! He spoke of "not resisting evil", then used violence in the Temple, despite the prohibition of violence there! He flip-flopped and evaded the issue on taxes (assuming you can buy the "coin in the fish's mouth" story, which seems farfetched to me). He said "Blessed are the peacemakers" one minute, and then "Think not that I have come to bring peace to the Earth, for I have not come to bring peace, but the SWORD! For I will set every man at variance with his fellow!". He said to obey the scribes and Pharisees, but defied them more than once, including the rule on washing hands. Jesus told the disciples to get swords, and then rebuked Peter for using his, saying "Those that live by the sword shall die by the sword!". In short, he didn't practice what he preached. He couldn't even keep his message consistent. He was a politician, as proved by his flip-flops. (John Kerry must have taken his example here.)

As for Paul, the way he lingered over the first chapter of his letter to the Romans demonstrates his fascination with homosexuality.

Let me see! He spoke of "not resisting evil", then used violence in the Temple, despite the prohibition of violence there! He flip-flopped and evaded the issue on taxes (assuming you can buy the "coin in the fish's mouth" story, which seems farfetched to me). He said "Blessed are the peacemakers" one minute, and then "Think not that I have come to bring peace to the Earth, for I have not come to bring peace, but the SWORD! For I will set every man at variance with his fellow!". He said to obey the scribes and Pharisees, but defied them more than once, including the rule on washing hands. Jesus told the disciples to get swords, and then rebuked Peter for using his, saying "Those that live by the sword shall die by the sword!". In short, he didn't practice what he preached. He couldn't even keep his message consistent. He was a politician, as proved by his flip-flops. (John Kerry must have taken his example here.)

Since when should a temple be used to collect taxes and to be used as a market? A temple is a Religious place. They weren't using it for religion. Therefore, Jesus was not a hypocrit here. May I have the bible verse plese so that I can read it for myself in its full context so I can come up with a rebuttal to this. I'm sure though that someone far more rehearsed in religion than me will be able to explain this to you. Where did Jesus say to his disciples to take swords? He's right though regarding the use of a sword. Live by it and die by it. Can say the samething of guns. Live by the gun and die by it. Explains gang members.

As for Paul, the way he lingered over the first chapter of his letter to the Romans demonstrates his fascination with homosexuality.

I guess your forgetting the part where God punished these people for their sodomy? Yea I though you might've.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

and whats your point ?

Since when should a temple be used to collect taxes and to be used as a market? A temple is a Religious place. They weren't using it for religion. Therefore, Jesus was not a hypocrit here. May I have the bible verse plese so that I can read it for myself in its full context so I can come up with a rebuttal to this. I'm sure though that someone far more rehearsed in religion than me will be able to explain this to you. Where did Jesus say to his disciples to take swords? He's right though regarding the use of a sword. Live by it and die by it. Can say the samething of guns. Live by the gun and die by it. Explains gang members.



I guess your forgetting the part where God punished these people for their sodomy? Yea I though you might've.

The Temple NEEDED such things for proper money that had no graven images and for animals to sacrifice. There was no rule against necessary commerce in the Temple, but there was a rule against violence in the Temple.

Paul, like I said, lingered a bit over the descriptive parts before sanctimoniously returning to justifying unjustified punishments of homosexuals.

As for the comment about being the 2 swords, I'll concede the point that it was meant as a way of APPEARING to fulfill the lament of Isaiah, which was NOT a prophecy, but a lament over a contemporary's death. It's in Luke 22:36

As for the "Think not I have come to bring peace to the Earth..." quote, it's in
Luke 12:51 through 53 and Matthew 10:34 through 36.

The Temple NEEDED such things for proper money that had no graven images and for animals to sacrifice. There was no rule against necessary commerce in the Temple, but there was a rule against violence in the Temple.

Paul, like I said, lingered a bit over the descriptive parts before sanctimoniously returning to justifying unjustified punishments of homosexuals.

As for the comment about being the 2 swords, I'll concede the point that it was meant as a way of APPEARING to fulfill the lament of Isaiah, which was NOT a prophecy, but a lament over a contemporary's death. It's in Luke 22:36

As for the "Think not I have come to bring peace to the Earth..." quote, it's in
Luke 12:51 through 53 and Matthew 10:34 through 36.

Thanks for providing the verses. I shall look these up after I write a paper, pack, and get a hair cut. Spring break and dont want to look like a rag a muffin. LOL!!

personally, i think all ideas of encouraging or enforcing "PC" language are completely counter productive. if somebody has racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise bigotted ideas, i want them to SAY SO. i want everybody to hear what they are really all about. i want everybody to see what kind of person they are. i don't want them to feel at all compelled to hide their feelings, because having them be open about their bigotry is the best way to render them utterly ineffectual.

the horrid reality today is that people have gotten to the point where they use PC language reflexively, and they tend to be more subtle about their bigotry. this makes it harder to catch them on it, and much harder to pin down their racism, because the language is ambiguous enough to let them slither out of most situations. i want them to say ******, bitch, faggot, and any other slur that comes into their head, because then the world can hear what kind of filth they really are.
I absolutly agree.

Why this thread 31 pages long? Is there an actual debate going on here? Or has every NS'er decided to give their kudos and hatred towards him now?

Marriage is not a right, it is a privilege. There are laws that prevent some heterosexuals from marrying. Cannot marry a sibling and in some states cannot marry a first cousin
Well I am not a social authoritarian so rather I should say that it should be a right.

However, when someone of the "majority", if you will, comes on saying that they're proud of what they are, they get all sorts of rebutal from the population. Immedeatly, there are people calling that person racist, a biggot, intolerant, and a jackass.
In this case he wasn't slammed just for being in the racial majority, but for filling his first post not only with pride, but also with "I hate this and that" type statements.

No one is. I was mostly referring to point "B."

Tell your liberal bud's that.

I never said that -- I HATE Political cleansing/Thought Police (Political correctness/hate crimes). You can say that it's normal, I have the right not to believe you. I have a problem when you say I'm a bigot and/or a homophobe when I say "You're not normal, even if you keep telling yourself that. You're knowhere NEAR normal." Personally, I think homosexuality is part choice part genetic fuckup.
a) Maybe then you shouldn't have used a completely misleading and mendacious phrase like "Force it on me".

b) I don't like political correctness either because it's censorship. I think I've been pretty clear on that. As for my "liberal buds", I have told them that they don't have a right not to be offended. You seem to assume that every liberal person here who is slamming you for your views also wants your views to be banned. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of them don't want that.

Of course you have the right to think that homosexuality isn't normal. My probelm is that you appear to want the government to legislate to ensure that gay rights activists cannot tell you that it is normal.

What I’ve noticed in many NS posts is the people who claim to be liberal and preach acceptance and tolerance are the first to attack conservatives. They preach one thing while practicing another. :(
Vocally disagreeing with conservatives isn't the same as being intolderant of them.

To be homosexual and Christian is impossible
Not true. Homosexuality is a sin, but being a sinner does not disqualify one from being Christian. Almost every Christian pretty freely admits to being a sinner. (Except those like VoteEarly who have grand delusions of perfection.)

We shall now call it "Political Cleansing." This of course a play of "ethnic cleansing," only the leftists want to rid of conservative thought, not a race. (Although the white male might be next, who knows?) The leftist Thought Police are the first to talk about "free-speech," yet the first to clamp down on conservative viewpoints.
Your analysis is very one-sided and a bit overly paranoid. I've seen political correctness coming from all over the political chart, not just the left.

I also think that it is not an attempt to eradicate conservative or any other political thought. I think it's just an attempt to ban racism and homophobia.

Homosexuals must overcome their homosexuality. I do not believe it is entirely thier choice, but again, it is not entirely DNA, either. You can overcome it if you try.
How exactly can this be done? In fact, maybe you should tell me how I could go about making myself gay. I seriously can't imagine ever being attracted to anyone but girls, but you seem to know that way to change your sexuality! Please, do tell!

Are all conservatives Racists? Off course not.

But have you heard a Lefty scream ******? I haven't. The claim can probably be traced back to the slave days since most if not all slave owners tended to be conservative......
To be fair, and this goes out to a lot of people, I don't think Derscon has expressed any racist views in this thread. I think he is homophobic, but definitely not racist, so please stop flogging him on this baseless charge.

Why this thread 31 pages long? Is there an actual debate going on here? Or has every NS'er decided to give their kudos and hatred towards him now?

Well, it's only 24 for me, but I'm not sure. I just got back, and I have a bit of catching up to do. :)

That's just my point. That's why PC has become hated. It has gone so far to the extreme left that people despise any attempt at it.
The way people throw around the "extreme left", I wonder if the phrase has any defined meaning at all anymore.

What you call "moderate political correctness", I prefer to call common courtesy.
Could is be the politically correct way of saying "common courtesy"? ;)

It's evident that I will never convince the Christians on this forum, and they will never convince me. We'll just have to agree to disagree on religion. On social issues, I will continue to debate as much as I please. I have fundamentally different views on religion from them and other Abrahamic faiths, but I will respect their right to believe what they please.

It's evident that I will never convince the Christians on this forum, and they will never convince me. We'll just have to agree to disagree on religion. On social issues, I will continue to debate as much as I please. I have fundamentally different views on religion from them and other Abrahamic faiths, but I will respect their right to believe what they please.
Why then did you bring this topic back to the first page by posting in it?! :rolleyes:

no answers to my posts then?

I just love how people say something can be scientifically proven. Science can never prove anything--

Ok! I'll concede, the Earth is flat. Science cannot prove it is round. :headbang:

Homosexuality is NOT evil. It is perfectly natural. I'm sorry that you and your girlfriend are missing out on lovemaking, but don't drag us down with yourselves. Sex, whether for love or lust, married or not, gay or straight, is perfectly natural and wholesome. What's unnatural is celibacy. Paul was the unnatural one, not the "sodomites" he wrongfully condemned. Incidentally, I think that Paul himself was a repressed, self-hating homosexual, like most of the extreme homophobes (they're usually either secretly gay or secretly bisexual). Note in the first chapter of his letter to the Romans how he lingers over the part about male homosexuality as if both attracted to it and repulsed by it at the same time. He hated the flesh, he hated his own homosexual impulses, and he looked for a religion that provided a loophole in the Mosaic prohibition of sodomy that would allow to condemn it without condemning himself, so he seized on Christianity as convenient for his purposes. That was his "road to Damascus" epiphany, not some blinding vision of a "risen" Jesus. It was pragmatic on his part.

OK. It must be true because you said it. :D

To be fair, and this goes out to a lot of people, I don't think Derscon has expressed any racist views in this thread. I think he is homophobic, but definitely not racist, so please stop flogging him on this baseless charge.

You read more into my intent. He implied that liberals were really racist in their actions. I was not suggesting he was a racist.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Wait, you're serious? i thought this was a joke!

Holy shit, you're serious! I thought you were roleplaying the typical conservative american!

holy shit! I thought that people had progressed beyond that type of thinking!

again, holy shit!

^^nice nation name!

bump

I always wonder why god would bless something as abstract as a country, or a guy who can't even speak his native language correctly...

Proud of being a male, I find that amusing. Why's that? Cause he has that little peepee between his legs? And that makes him better why? I mean, technically the only thing males do when it comes to reproduction is knocking us up, the rest of the work is left to us. Congrats, that's really something to be proud of. Also... one kick in the nuts and he'd be down for the count anyway...

But anyway, wanna know what?

I'm a straight (I think, though I'm not sure, the gf of my best friend is quite a pretty girl; she's Japanese, he's white and technically could be considered to be the prototype of Hitler's aryan), Taoist, liberal female of Chinese descent and Non-american. And I'm proud of that. Wanna know why? Easy...

For once, when I see people like that guy I'm usually happy and proud that I'm not like them.

Taoism is more a philosophy than a dogmatic religious movement that usually only leaves its own opinion as the right one (while all others are usually declared to be wrong or misled).

Straight, bi, homosexual, who has the right to judge anyway (if he'd know the bible he'd know that judging is somewhat of a sin anyway)? What's "normal" anyway? There are enough "normal" married men who fuck their nieces or nephews.

Non-American and happy about it. Otherwise I would have had to go through the really messed up school system over there, where little kids have to pull similar things as the Hitler Youth in Nazi-germany (little kids and an oath to a flag *shakes head* talk about brainwashing).

Liberal, yep, because all this conservative crap only leads to nationalism and nationalism already brought us two world wars. So keen on getting a third? Also, what makes the US (or any other western country) better than any other? Load of bull.

Chinese, yep, well, I wasn't born there, but my parents are Chinese, and the only things I can say in Kantonese are hello and good bye (or something along that line). But hey, the Chinese writing for example hasn't changed for quite some time, etc etc. So we didn't win every war, well, since when does violence prove anything anway.

"... who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see!" <-- tell that the native Americans, the Wounded Knee massacre really showed the great hope...

"I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline." <-- I hope he realizes that most of the European countries are filled with crossbreeds and mutts as well. I mean, what's a pure German? Doesn't exist, sorry. Or a pure Austrian (yeah, especially with the fact that they had the Austro-hungarian monarchy, a huge basket filled with all kinds of nationalities). France, Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Denmark, Sweden, etc etc... They all mixed with other nationalities at one point in time (or more than once). I wonder what's so great about the whole "white" deal anyway, it's not that the "whites" actually invented culture or anything... So he's white (big f*cking deal), another one is black, then a third one is red and I'm yellow... And that means what? Nothing. He's judging by the outside, that's really intelligent and mature and shows a great deal of education... not. ('lil detail, my bf's white too, but I wouldn't care whether he'd be black, red, yellow, purple or polka-dotted.)

You know, I have friends in the US, some voted for Kerry, others voted for Bush, some of them can be considered really conservative, but eh, none of them has the Starsprangled Banner as high up their ass as he does (doesn't it tingle in the throat having this piece of cloth so far up?).

So much arrogance, so little time... It's been some time since I've seen such a little anachronistic and chauvinist pig... And that in the 21st century... hooray mankind...

Now I feel like burning a US flag...

Greater Yubari, marry me :fluffle:

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Continue.

I guess your forgetting the part where God punished these people for their sodomy? Yea I though you might've.

If you can find someone to borrow a bible from, you might want to actually check your source here.

It is perfectly clear, in the text, that 'sodomy' (as it is now called) was NOT the 'crime' that led to the destruction of Sodom.

If you can find someone to borrow a bible from, you might want to actually check your source here.

Sodom and Gamorrah! Destroyed by fire in the Book of Genisis.

It is perfectly clear, in the text, that 'sodomy' (as it is now called) was NOT the 'crime' that led to the destruction of Sodom.

It was one of the crimes they were punished for.

Sodom and Gamorrah! Destroyed by fire in the Book of Genisis.



It was one of the crimes they were punished for.


Not according to one of the later prophets (Isaiah I believe, but perhaps Ezekiel or one of the others) or according to Jesus who quoted the same prophet. The crime of Sodom and "Gamorrah" [sic] was that they had plenty and did not take care of those in need and that they were inhospitable to strangers.

heh, damned religions. They've done all they can by now. that MLK guy used religion to free the black peeps, but now bushie is using religion to opress the gay peeps. damned religions.

I say get rid of em. Read 3001: the final odyssey by arthur c clarke (its the 4th in the 2001: a space odyssey series) and ull see by then they've nixed religions. Thank Deus.

but hey, as to the above post, didnt know that. learn a few new things every day.

And you know what? I'm proud of it! I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society. I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood. I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline. I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW. And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too! God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult! God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

I am a Straight, Protestant, White American Moderate and Proud of it... but so what?

Never met a feminazi, and I have been around a long time working in social work which I guarantee you is chock full of liberals of all sorts. I bet you haven't either.

I have met liberals who are so far into dreamland as to have completely unreal views on what the people they actually champinion deal with on a daily basis. I have met conservatives who are so smugly self superior and self rightious that they have no idea what the people they so willingly condemn because of differences in sexual orientation, economic level or hardships actually deal with that Jesus, who as a Christian you believe (as do I) is watching us all would strongly condemn.

Jesus preached acceptance, forgiveness and the God is a loving God. A note noticably absent in your smug self rightous statement of moral supremacy.

What WOULD Jesus say about you?

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I love contributing nothing constructive.
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Anyway:

In a debate
there is no good and no bad
only sides
there is no truth and no fiction
only perspectives
there is no winner and no loser
only opinions

Now, play nice. :)

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

This is a strange turn of events, a Satanist standing up for a Christian. Anyway I'm glad there are proud conservatives (like myself) here. We need more right-wingers here to make this place more fair and balance, because it always seems that 90% of the people here are left-wingers. He is proud of who he is and I've seem alot of proud left-wingers, who post why they are proud. So why hate this right-winger just because he has a different view on issues then you. Just because you have different opinions then someone doesn't make your own opinion better.

And just because someone is a conservative doesn't mean that person is a racist, rednecks, or stupid! But that doesn't mean I don't disagree with this guy's point of view. Which I do on many things, but I'm too damn sleepy right now to list them all...

Posted by the Satanic Priest, Lord Medivh

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Anyway:

In a debate
there is no good and no bad
only sides
there is no truth and no fiction
only perspectives
there is no winner and no loser
only opinions

Now, play nice. :)

Sanest reason I've heard in this thread in awhile.

Sanest reason I've heard in this thread in awhile.

Maybe, but not entirely true, there are some absolutes, as you well know my dear.

Nobody is perfect.

Sodom and Gamorrah! Destroyed by fire in the Book of Genisis.

It was one of the crimes they were punished for.

No - still wrong, I'm afraid.

Some people say that the men of Sodom were trying to take the angels to 'know' them sexually... which is debatable, but irrelevent.

The angels were ALREADY in Sodom for the destruction of the city - and 'sodomy' was not one of the reasons they were there.

Genesis 13:13 "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the lord exceedingly".

Isaiah 1 compares Judah to Sodom, and lists the sins of Sodom: "...Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me... Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth... Wash you, make you clean... Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow... Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them".

Isaiah clearly illustrates that the sins of Sodom were vanity, intolerance and spiritual confusions - such as wrong sacrifices.

Jeremiah 23:14 gives the sins of Sodom as: "they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers".

Ezekiel 16:49-50 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy... And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good".

Again, Ezekiel clearly illustrates that the sins of Sodom are vanity and intolerance.

Even Jesus seems to have believed that the sin of Sodom was that it did not kindly receive strangers, as shown in Matthew 10:14-15 "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet... Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


In fact, as far as I can tell - the ONLY reason that anyone believes that the 'sin' of Sodom was homosexuality, is the fact that the mob is described as all men (a mistranslation of "anshei ha'ir, anshei S'dom" - the people of the city, the people of Sodom), and that they asked to have the angels brought out so they could 'know' them. It is also worth noting that the Hebrew word for 'know' (Ya,da´) appears more than 900 times in the Bible (943, according to Strong's Concordance) - and is ONLY used in sexual context about a dozen.

So - the people of Sodom (most likely) literally wanted Lot to bring the Angels out, so that they could meet them... after all, these were strangers in a city JUST having been at war.

Sodom and Gamorrah! Destroyed by fire in the Book of Genisis.
Maybe they were just destroyed *by* Genesis itself - what I mean, though, is the GENESIS superlaser.

Maybe, but not entirely true, there are some absolutes, as you well know my dear.
:eek: Stephistan is AGAINST me! Well I never!

:eek: Stephistan is AGAINST me! Well I never!


NEVERAH! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

NEVERAH! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
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It always amazes me that people who claim to be Christian have the nerve to use hate speech. In the first place, it is contrary to the words and behavior of Jesus, which should be enough in itself to give them pause. Furthermore, Beyond that, they believe that they will have to give an accounting for our actions and attitudes when they die, and yet apparently get enough of some kind of thrill running off at the mouth to let the chips fall where they may on judgement day. Seems to me like more guts than brains. I guess we should pray for them.

Another thing I find astonishing is pride in the shade of one's complexion. Being of Irish extraction, I am about as white as a non-albino can get. Why would I be proud of this? I didn't cause it or do anything to develop it. It is just a fact, not an accomplishment. If a someone put his Caucasian male self to work to do something useful for his fellow men, then maybe he could be forgiven a little pride. Just being pale and standing up to pee doesn't seem like too much of a much, really, now does it?

Just for the record folks. The reason those of us who are more liberal get angry with posts like the original one here isn't because he is proud of who he is. That's fine--I'm proud of who I am. Yeah, I'm even proud I'm white because we have a beautiful (though sometimes destructive history).

No, the reason we get angry is that they make it seem to be bad to be something else. Whites are superior to blacks--only different. Every race, every religion, every sexual orientation, every person has that same right to be proud of their heritage, but that doesn't mean you have to insult or think more lowly of others.

I'm white, I'm gay, I'm now an atheist (or more appropritately a non-theist), I'm Southern, I'm a medical student, I have green eyes, I work in a free clinic, I'm of average height.

I'm proud of all that. But that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with people who aren't all that. They are people too, every bit as deserving of my respect and of having their own pride.

So that's why we get angry, not because you are proud to be yourself, but because you have to denigrate others in the process--particularly about things that they cannot control.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!


I'm going to use a big word that might not be in your vocabulary[list of words that you know] the word my friend is hypocrit and it means saying something and then doing the exact opposite. if you haven't noticed, you just did that. i hate people like you that don't understand tolerance, you say you love god and love the country, well first of all god and the bible say nothing about gay people second of all god and jesus and all of the prophets of the old testement preach the golden rule, which would be treat others as you would like to be treated. so from your post, apparently you want to be treated like a degernerate. stop putting yourself on a pedistle. stop putting your race on a pedistle, the original cradle of civilization is in modern day iraq so every american, european, asian, native american, etc is technically an iraqi and a middle eastern person. stop putting you gender on a pedistle also. big deal your a dude u have a penis instead of a vagina, i am a dude also but u dont hear me bitching about how evil women are (i highly doubt that you are not gay because of the way u bitch about women...you've probably never gotten any pussy before in ur life.) how do you know that christianity is the right religion, for all we know it could be judaism or mormonism or muslim. if you died and went up there and found out that christianity was the wrong religion and the right religion was muslim than you would look like an ass, even more than you look like here

so shut the fuck up stop bitching about how crappy the WASP gets treated and dont pretend you know latin...cause you dont

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I'm going to use a big word that might not be in your vocabulary[list of words that you know]

I don't like to bash people for spelling, etc, but seriously, if you are going to start insulting my intelligence, type correctly.

the word my friend is hypocrit

-e.

and it means saying something and then doing the exact opposite.

I know what hypocrite means, thank you.

if you haven't noticed, you just did that.

Whether I did or not, I'm sure you're about to tell me why.


i hate people like you that don't understand tolerance,

I do understand tolerance. I just don't show it to some people. An example of this would be you.

you say you love god and love the country, well first of all god and the bible say nothing about gay people

What bible/god are you talking about?

second of all god and jesus and all of the prophets of the old testement preach the golden rule, which would be treat others as you would like to be treated.

I'd follow that, but if I did, I'd get nowhere in life. If you follow this rule today, you will probably amount to nothing. Morally superior, maybe, but I have a lot of things I'd like to do in life, and if I follow the golden rule when no one else is....

so from your post, apparently you want to be treated like a degernerate.

No, you're just twisting my words, just like every other person (except Swimmingpool, one of the few intelligent people, including me, Corneliu, Celtund, and there's another liberal that I don't remember the name of) that came into this thread.

stop putting yourself on a pedistle.

If I wanted to say I'm superior than everyone else, I'd use a throne, not a pedestal. :D

stop putting your race on a pedistle,

I didn't.

the original cradle of civilization is in modern day iraq so every american, european, asian, native american, etc is technically an iraqi

No, not really. Iraq wasn't established until around the 1800-1900s.

and a middle eastern person.

Again, no.

stop putting you gender on a pedistle also.

Again, I didn't.

but u dont hear me bitching about how evil women are

When did I say women were evil? I said feminazis are evil. There's only around twenty of them to-date.

(i highly doubt that you are not gay because of the way u bitch about women...you've probably never gotten any pussy before in ur life.)

Well, I am straight, and again, I did not say women are evil. Also, I'm fourteen years old, so you'd be correct, I never had sex, and have no intention of doing so until marriage.

how do you know that christianity is the right religion, for all we know it could be judaism or mormonism or muslim.

It's a matter of faith. Frankly, though, I'm better off than an athiest, as an athiest has NO chance.

if you died and went up there and found out that christianity was the wrong religion and the right religion was muslim than you would look like an ass,

Not really. If Islam was correct, I'd still get to heaven, according to Muhammed.

so shut the fuck up

Obviously, you do not support First Amendment rights, traitor.

dont pretend you know latin...cause you dont

Did I ever say I knew Latin? No. I know a few phrases, and that's about it. I never said otherwise.

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Ice burn. Super Slam.

Dis.

There's probably some other phrases to decribe how you just owned that scrub, but I think those three are the best.

Edit: For a fourteen year old, that's bonus points.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!


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i am a white straighter than straight, worship whatever male......it works :D

i am the same...but british :D

(i highly doubt that you are not gay because of the way u bitch about women...you've probably never gotten any pussy before in ur life.)

Okay, next person to call my friend gay will have to speak to me. And it WILL hurt. *Pulls out rusty cheese-grater*

And what? YOU'VE gotten pussy? Like hell you have. Shame on you, trying to make yourself look better. Like that. What woman would want to be anywhere near you? Loser.

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i am a white straighter than straight, worship whatever male......it works :D

i am the same...but british :D

Curious phrase - I wonder what it means.

As far as I can tell... 'gay' means that you feel attraction toward your OWN gender...

And... 'straight' means that you feel attraction towards the OTHER gender...

So - to be 'straighter than straight'... wouldn't you have to be attracted to something more 'other' than just the mere OTHER gender?

Like... aliens, or something?


Also - the phrase 'worship whatever male' looks like it could cause some confusion...