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And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

*Taking cover from imminent backlash*

And im disgusted you would associate yourself with Europe.

Not to sound intolerant but, we don't want your sort round here, there's no need to mention us along with yourslef.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Oh yes...I hate it when people try to shove views down your throat...Isn't pride a sin.

Thats fine and all, Im conservative too, but it isn't just liberals who wish to "destroy" this nation... There are plenty of conservative people (called reactionists) that would have this nation that we live in "destroyed"


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Ignorance leads to intolerance and hatred.

OMG! YOUR AN INTOLERANT EVIL PERSON! YOU SHOULD BE CASTRATED AND SHOT FOR YOUR BELEIFES WHICH ARE NO MORE EXTREME THAN ANYBODY ELSES BUT CONFLICT WITH MY VIEW OF WHAT THE WORLD SHOULD BE!
And so forth :)

Good for you Derscon. Have a virtual lollipop.

OMG! YOUR AN INTOLERANT EVIL PERSON! YOU SHOULD BE CASTRATED AND SHOT FOR YOUR BELEIFES WHICH ARE NO MORE EXTREME THAN ANYBODY ELSES BUT CONFLICT WITH MY VIEW OF WHAT THE WORLD SHOULD BE!
And so forth :)

Has your home got a picket fence?

Thats nice, you go express yourself girlfriend! I don't argee with a word of it but good luck to you all the same!

GET INTO THE BUNKERS! WOMEN AN CHILDREN FI-

AUGH! IT'S TOO LATE! NOOOOOO!!!

*Huge explosion*

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Isn't it a shame that so many American fascists spell just about as well as Dubya? Their grammar isn't so hot either....
Some examples!
"degrating"
"feminazis" - what this word means I'm not sure...
"who's" - oh dear, was someone not paying attention in what you Americans pass for "English grammar"?
"shined" - it's shone, honey.

All disrespect to your fascist, unaccepting and racist views.

Wow kitten, you sure are cute when you get all biblical and stuff!

:fluffle:

Has your home got a picket fence?
No, I live in Arizona. Wood has tendacy to disentigrate rapidly here.
Our fence is cinderblock coated in adobe. Its not white, either. Its a sort of brownish colour.

Weak troll. 2/10 for originality.
7/10 execution

Overall, 4.5/10

Better luck next time. :D

You know, my first reaction to this post was an intense desire to heap some much deserved insult and denigration upon it's author.... but then I considered it some more and there's really nothing I can say that would paint a more unflattering picture of that indivudual than the contents of the post itself. I mean really, what more is there to say when someone just comes right out and says for themselves that they're a racist chauvinistic bible-thumping homophobe who thinks possessing any other genetic heritage would be "degrating"?

I mean, I just can't top that. I'm good, but I've got limits.

Oh well... I'll have to find some other way to occupy myself this afternoon.

*sigh* This thread died the instant it was up. :headbang:

No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)


What I say to you is: everyone who grows angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment
Matthew 5:22

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I love contributing nothing constructive.

gay Muslim? I think not....being gay and Muslim would be a paradox. I don't have a problem with gays, but I don't find their behavior to be moral. I hope you will just let my point of view be, and not harass me for it. As I said, gays are fine as people. But to be gay and Muslim is not possible.

I think the initial post of this thread it one of the funniest posts I have ever read, here or anywhere else. Thank you for the laughs.

Isn't it a shame that so many American fascists spell just about as well as Dubya? Their grammar isn't so hot either....
Some examples!
"degrating"
"feminazis" - what this word means I'm not sure...
"who's" - oh dear, was someone not paying attention in what you Americans pass for "English grammar"?
"shined" - it's shone, honey.

All disrespect to your fascist, unaccepting and racist views.

Oh, so if someone disagrees with you, that makes them a fascist? I fail to understand your logic. I do not agree with the extremism of some of Derscon's view, nor I agree with the format in which he presented them, but he is no more a fascist than, oh, 98% of Americans, no matter who they voted for.

I like how anyone who expresses an opinion different from the majority here automatically is labelled as "racist, fascist, intolerant, homophobic, etc." no matter the extremity of their views. Nowhere did Derscon say he was racist. All he said was that he was proud of his heritage. Nothing wrong with that. Nor did he say he hated gays. He said he hated the ones who try to force their philosophies on him.

And a sidenote: 'feminazi' is a derogatory term for extreme feminists (not the "women should get equal pay," I'm talking about the "men are evil and should be sent to camps and killed!" kind.) here in the U.S. of A.

Isn't it a shame that so many American fascists spell just about as well as Dubya? Their grammar isn't so hot either....
Some examples!
"degrating"
"feminazis" - what this word means I'm not sure...
"who's" - oh dear, was someone not paying attention in what you Americans pass for "English grammar"?
"shined" - it's shone, honey.

All disrespect to your fascist, unaccepting and racist views.

He is quite the jerk. And a horrible speller. However, feminazi is a legitimate term. It's a coined term by some conservatives used to refer to the ultra-liberal feminists. Janet Reno is a good example.

Isn't it a shame that so many American fascists spell just about as well as Dubya? Their grammar isn't so hot either....
Some examples!
"degrating"
"feminazis" - what this word means I'm not sure...
"who's" - oh dear, was someone not paying attention in what you Americans pass for "English grammar"?
"shined" - it's shone, honey.

All disrespect to your fascist, unaccepting and racist views.

So, I'm not the best at spelling -- that's all you can hit me for? Oh, and thanks for the namecalling -- typical liberal response.

Feminazis are radical feminists such as NOW -- not to be confused with regular feminists. It was a term made by Rush Limbaugh.

How am I a facist? Because I'm a Christian conservative? I'm a racist because I'm white?

Fairly closeminded yourself. Typical of liberals.

So, I'm not the best at spelling -- that's all you can hit me for? Oh, and thanks for the namecalling -- typical liberal response.

Feminazis are radical feminists such as NOW -- not to be confused with regular feminists. It was a term made by Rush Limbaugh.

How am I a facist? Because I'm a Christian conservative? I'm a racist because I'm white?

Fairly closeminded yourself. Typical of liberals.
I am a Christian conservative, as well, and the extremism you are expressing leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

I don't see how you can worship the same God I do and practice racism. And you did express it- "that I have no degrating DNA in my blood."

So, I'm not the best at spelling -- that's all you can hit me for? Oh, and thanks for the namecalling -- typical liberal response.

Feminazis are radical feminists such as NOW -- not to be confused with regular feminists. It was a term made by Rush Limbaugh.

How am I a facist? Because I'm a Christian conservative? I'm a racist because I'm white?

Fairly closeminded yourself. Typical of liberals.

So you retaliate to his insults by insulting the "typical" liberal? That sounds pretty closed-minded to me. Of course, I'm not the best judge of hypocrisy, but still...

I'm a white, male, strait Shiite Muslim and I say...
'Sup?

I always wonder why god would bless something as abstract as a country, or a guy who can't even speak his native language correctly...

Proud of being a male, I find that amusing. Why's that? Cause he has that little peepee between his legs? And that makes him better why? I mean, technically the only thing males do when it comes to reproduction is knocking us up, the rest of the work is left to us. Congrats, that's really something to be proud of. Also... one kick in the nuts and he'd be down for the count anyway...

But anyway, wanna know what?

I'm a straight (I think, though I'm not sure, the gf of my best friend is quite a pretty girl; she's Japanese, he's white and technically could be considered to be the prototype of Hitler's aryan), Taoist, liberal female of Chinese descent and Non-american. And I'm proud of that. Wanna know why? Easy...

For once, when I see people like that guy I'm usually happy and proud that I'm not like them.

Taoism is more a philosophy than a dogmatic religious movement that usually only leaves its own opinion as the right one (while all others are usually declared to be wrong or misled).

Straight, bi, homosexual, who has the right to judge anyway (if he'd know the bible he'd know that judging is somewhat of a sin anyway)? What's "normal" anyway? There are enough "normal" married men who fuck their nieces or nephews.

Non-American and happy about it. Otherwise I would have had to go through the really messed up school system over there, where little kids have to pull similar things as the Hitler Youth in Nazi-germany (little kids and an oath to a flag *shakes head* talk about brainwashing).

Liberal, yep, because all this conservative crap only leads to nationalism and nationalism already brought us two world wars. So keen on getting a third? Also, what makes the US (or any other western country) better than any other? Load of bull.

Chinese, yep, well, I wasn't born there, but my parents are Chinese, and the only things I can say in Kantonese are hello and good bye (or something along that line). But hey, the Chinese writing for example hasn't changed for quite some time, etc etc. So we didn't win every war, well, since when does violence prove anything anway.

"... who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see!" <-- tell that the native Americans, the Wounded Knee massacre really showed the great hope...

"I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline." <-- I hope he realizes that most of the European countries are filled with crossbreeds and mutts as well. I mean, what's a pure German? Doesn't exist, sorry. Or a pure Austrian (yeah, especially with the fact that they had the Austro-hungarian monarchy, a huge basket filled with all kinds of nationalities). France, Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Denmark, Sweden, etc etc... They all mixed with other nationalities at one point in time (or more than once). I wonder what's so great about the whole "white" deal anyway, it's not that the "whites" actually invented culture or anything... So he's white (big f*cking deal), another one is black, then a third one is red and I'm yellow... And that means what? Nothing. He's judging by the outside, that's really intelligent and mature and shows a great deal of education... not. ('lil detail, my bf's white too, but I wouldn't care whether he'd be black, red, yellow, purple or polka-dotted.)

You know, I have friends in the US, some voted for Kerry, others voted for Bush, some of them can be considered really conservative, but eh, none of them has the Starsprangled Banner as high up their ass as he does (doesn't it tingle in the throat having this piece of cloth so far up?).

So much arrogance, so little time... It's been some time since I've seen such a little anachronistic and chauvinist pig... And that in the 21st century... hooray mankind...

Now I feel like burning a US flag...

Now I feel like burning a US flag...

I will bring the hotdogs! ;)

I always wonder why god would bless something as abstract as a country, or a guy who can't even speak his native language correctly...

Proud of being a male, I find that amusing. Why's that? Cause he has that little peepee between his legs? And that makes him better why? I mean, technically the only thing males do when it comes to reproduction is knocking us up, the rest of the work is left to us. Congrats, that's really something to be proud of. Also... one kick in the nuts and he'd be down for the count anyway...

But anyway, wanna know what?

I'm a straight (I think, though I'm not sure, the gf of my best friend is quite a pretty girl; she's Japanese, he's white and technically could be considered to be the prototype of Hitler's aryan), Taoist, liberal female of Chinese descent and Non-american. And I'm proud of that. Wanna know why? Easy...

For once, when I see people like that guy I'm usually happy and proud that I'm not like them.

Taoism is more a philosophy than a dogmatic religious movement that usually only leaves its own opinion as the right one (while all others are usually declared to be wrong or misled).

Straight, bi, homosexual, who has the right to judge anyway (if he'd know the bible he'd know that judging is somewhat of a sin anyway)? What's "normal" anyway? There are enough "normal" married men who fuck their nieces or nephews.

Non-American and happy about it. Otherwise I would have had to go through the really messed up school system over there, where little kids have to pull similar things as the Hitler Youth in Nazi-germany (little kids and an oath to a flag *shakes head* talk about brainwashing).

Liberal, yep, because all this conservative crap only leads to nationalism and nationalism already brought us two world wars. So keen on getting a third? Also, what makes the US (or any other western country) better than any other? Load of bull.

Chinese, yep, well, I wasn't born there, but my parents are Chinese, and the only things I can say in Kantonese are hello and good bye (or something along that line). But hey, the Chinese writing for example hasn't changed for quite some time, etc etc. So we didn't win every war, well, since when does violence prove anything anway.

"... who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see!" <-- tell that the native Americans, the Wounded Knee massacre really showed the great hope...

"I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline." <-- I hope he realizes that most of the European countries are filled with crossbreeds and mutts as well. I mean, what's a pure German? Doesn't exist, sorry. Or a pure Austrian (yeah, especially with the fact that they had the Austro-hungarian monarchy, a huge basket filled with all kinds of nationalities). France, Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Denmark, Sweden, etc etc... They all mixed with other nationalities at one point in time (or more than once). I wonder what's so great about the whole "white" deal anyway, it's not that the "whites" actually invented culture or anything... So he's white (big f*cking deal), another one is black, then a third one is red and I'm yellow... And that means what? Nothing. He's judging by the outside, that's really intelligent and mature and shows a great deal of education... not. ('lil detail, my bf's white too, but I wouldn't care whether he'd be black, red, yellow, purple or polka-dotted.)

You know, I have friends in the US, some voted for Kerry, others voted for Bush, some of them can be considered really conservative, but eh, none of them has the Starsprangled Banner as high up their ass as he does (doesn't it tingle in the throat having this piece of cloth so far up?).

So much arrogance, so little time... It's been some time since I've seen such a little anachronistic and chauvinist pig... And that in the 21st century... hooray mankind...

Now I feel like burning a US flag...
I can say little more than: <333

Being proud of who you are does not mean you have to denegrate others in the process, you know. Nobody has a problem with White Pride - I mean, I'm very proud to be Irish - but it's when you have to use White Pride as a way of saying "Niggers suck and should go back to Africa" that people have a problem.

Same with Straight Pride ... as long as it isn't used to say "God hates Fags", then there isn't a problem.

Same with Male Pride ... as long as it isn't used to say "Women need to get back in the kitchen", then there isn't a problem.

See where I'm going with this?

Being proud of who you are does not mean you have to denegrate others in the process, you know. Nobody has a problem with White Pride - I mean, I'm very proud to be Irish - but it's when you have to use White Pride as a way of saying "Niggers suck and should go back to Africa" that people have a problem.

Same with Straight Pride ... as long as it isn't used to say "God hates Fags", then there isn't a problem.

Same with Male Pride ... as long as it isn't used to say "Women need to get back in the kitchen", then there isn't a problem.

See where I'm going with this?

Preach on, Brother Keruvalia, preach on.

who cares?

be who you are and do what you want, who cares what other people think

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

You want a medal?

Oh yes...I hate it when people try to shove views down your throat...Isn't pride a sin.

But isn't that what the other side has been doing? Come now, the other side of the coin, the liberal/athiests/left wing/politically correct has been pushing into society to tolerate this, that, say this, that ect ect ect.

This guy has a right to publish his views too.

Non-American and happy about it. Otherwise I would have had to go through the really messed up school system over there, where little kids have to pull similar things as the Hitler Youth in Nazi-germany (little kids and an oath to a flag *shakes head* talk about brainwashing).

That's one of the great things about America, y'know? You don't have to salute the flag if you don't want to. I have an Iranian girl and a Korean boy in my homeroom who refuse to stand up during the flag salute, because they don't believe in the principles of it. And they have a right to. If you tried to do that in Nazi Germany, chances are they would've taken you out back and shot you.


Liberal, yep, because all this conservative crap only leads to nationalism and nationalism already brought us two world wars. So keen on getting a third?

You're Chinese, correct? China's headed on a crash-course for conflict with the US sometime within the next 50 years, which will undoubtedly bring about a Third World War. And China's just about as crazy about patriotism as the US is, they have a right to be, their economy's growing by leaps and bounds and the country is better off than it's been for the past 100 years. Americans (conservatives, at least) feel the same way about our own country. Don't start lashing at me for saying that, I know the economy's hit a bumpy road, I know we're not as well-off as we've been, but I still feel as patriotic about my country as ever.

So we didn't win every war, well, since when does violence prove anything anway.

Violence has proved quite a few things. A big one would be 500,000 American soldiers, 500,000 British soldiers, 20,000,000 Russian soldiers, countless millions of Chinese soldiers, and hundreds of thousands of Polish, French, Belgian, Dutch, Austrialian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, Norwegian, Danish, Greek, Filipino, Yugoslavian, and Brazilian soldiers who sacrificed their lives in order to stop two of the most horrifying regimes the world has ever seen. Lessee here... tons of other examples I could use, but it would take me a couple days to write them all. Bottom line is, violence and wars change the course of history drastically. And it's simple human nature to fight. You see it in the animal world, from hawks fighting over territory to ants raiding other colonies and capturing other ants to serve as slaves. Only difference between us and them is that we're inteligent. Some say that because we're intelligent we should be able to realize that it's wrong, but it really makes it worse, since we can manipulate the surrounding the environment to fashion weapons, whereas ants and hawks cannot.


"... who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see!" <-- tell that the native Americans, the Wounded Knee massacre really showed the great hope...

So America has its faults. Yes, they're horrible, but every country has them. Look at all the genocides going on in Africa, look at the Arab countries, hell, even look at Europe's past. Yes, what we did to the Native Americans was horribly wrong, I'm absolutely disgusted that we did many of the things we did. But you have to look at the times. In the mid-1800s, the general notion was that they were primitive savages and, believe it or not, moving them West was just as good for us as it was for them, since the belief was that by limiting their contact with whites, you wouldn't spread things like diseases and alcoholism into their societies. Sickening, but that's what the people believed then.

"I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline." <-- I hope he realizes that most of the European countries are filled with crossbreeds and mutts as well. I mean, what's a pure German? Doesn't exist, sorry. Or a pure Austrian (yeah, especially with the fact that they had the Austro-hungarian monarchy, a huge basket filled with all kinds of nationalities). France, Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Denmark, Sweden, etc etc... They all mixed with other nationalities at one point in time (or more than once). I wonder what's so great about the whole "white" deal anyway, it's not that the "whites" actually invented culture or anything...

The one common feature that most European nationalities have is that they're white. Obviously, the closer to the Mediterranean you get, the darker the people look, but typically most of the European ethnicities are all classed as "white." But I do agree with you on the bloodline thing... not many Americans can count their background nationalities on one hand; I myself am German, Polish, Irish, English, Scottish, Italian, and Argentinian.

You know, I have friends in the US, some voted for Kerry, others voted for Bush, some of them can be considered really conservative, but eh, none of them has the Starsprangled Banner as high up their ass as he does (doesn't it tingle in the throat having this piece of cloth so far up?).

Actually, he's nothing compared to what I am. I'm just controlling myself. Which is starting to get really hard to do after sitting here responding to your post for the past half hour.... ;)

So much arrogance, so little time... It's been some time since I've seen such a little anachronistic and chauvinist pig... And that in the 21st century... hooray mankind...

Now I feel like burning a US flag...

Uh-oh, big words! I'm a conservative, so obviously I'm an unsophisticated, swamp-dwelling, shotgun-toting, redneck hick who commands so little mastery of the English language that I can't understand words more than two syllables.

Which is the image liberals oh-so-lovingly paint us as, which couldn't be further from the truth.

So I'll try to keep my equanimity here and simply say that with such a verbose comment you're obviously trying to get a 'thick-headed conservative' to misconstrue the meaning and post something rancorous ;)

All right, that's it for my caustic response. I'm inured to this type of thing from being surrounded by liberal classmates all day ::rolls eyes::

Ah, yes, just to let everyone know, I'm straight, white, male, Catholic, conservative, and American.

He. I'm straight, male, and British, and proud of all three. Yep, we're a great nation. Doesn't mean we're the only one. I'm white too, but here's the thing: I couldn't give a toss. Therein lies the problem, or rather, the solution.

I see an increasing number of these threads. The problem is always the same: the implication is that "America rules OK." Aside from the obvious fact that if it weren't for a lot of other nations it would certainly NOT rule in the slightest, what does it matter? OK, you think America's great. I'm happy for you, and it's got a lot of good points about it. I think Britain's great too, but I have immense admiration for Russia, Germany, Japan... You're happy to be white. Well, so am I, I like my skin colour. It shows up spots a little too well though. I'm happy with being male (though I do wonder what it's like being female on occasion) and I'm happy to be straight. I don't find the thought of gay sex the least bit edifying, but if they want to do that, fine - just don't push it on me or anyone else, thankyou.

Do you see the contrast? Your post is militantly pro-American, a recruiting poster for the US army. Mine says exactly the same things yours does, with not half of the baggage.

All peoples, all nations are great, in their own little ways. And just because you're afraid of new modes of thought doesn't make them "inferior," "corrupting" or "degenerate."

Incidentally, I'm a conservative. I vote Tory, read the Times and Telegraph, support a great many Tory policies. I'm no liberal, and am perpetually cautious in many of my deeds. But I recognise that no matter what I find great about my country and my ideals, there is always some merit in something else, a different culture or a different idea. The difference between us, two "conservatives," is that I wish to conserve the freedom won from the Enlightenment and beyond; you wish to conserve your own culture, even as it changes beneath your feet.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Congratufuckinglations for your non shovel related achievement. (C)Dalasmartone 2005

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.
Have a medal-shaped cookie.

Hear hear, Derscon!

You should always be proud of what you believe, no matter what it is. And while I certainly don't believe the same, and I don't see the point of you telling everyone, I have complet respect for the fact that you have values and opinions that you hold in high regard.

"Well, sir, while I may dissagree with what you're saying, I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Peter Griffin, Family Guy

I'm a racist because I'm white?
No, but "I have no degrating DNA in my blood" and "I will never go against my bloodline" are more usually heard from neo-Nazis.

I am a Christian conservative, as well, and the extremism you are expressing leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

I don't see how you can worship the same God I do and practice racism. And you did express it- "that I have no degrating DNA in my blood."
Well said.

And you know what I'M PROUD OF IT! (except the American part)

I'm proud of the fact that I have the ability to accept others regardless of their gender, race, sexual oreantation or religion.

Who I can't accept is people like you. People who choose to hate just because people are different. People who think the United States is a great nation helping the world. People who think that gays are evil.

Homosexuality is a fact of life and it's people like you who will have to learn to accept it.

The ACLU is one of the greatest organizations today and they even help the people like you defend their right to have big guns. They defend CIVIL LIBERTIES, what exactly is wrong with that.

Also, aren't you just a little bit of a hippocrite saying you hate gays that shove their beliefs down your throat when you're doing the exact same thing.

God Bless Freedom of Religion

God Bless all accepting people

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!


Well, I'm proud of my university degrees, because that's what I did for myself and had some influence in.

I'm not proud of my DNA, since there is nothing to be proud of. It's like being proud of the weather in my city.


God bless, Bush and god bless America - they will need it, since Americans seem to have an inferiority complex.

I'm trying to decide if that guy was being satirical or serious...

If it's satire, it's a little too realistic. If it's real it's just a bit disturbing.

I'm trying to decide if that guy was being satirical or serious...

If it's satire, it's a little too realistic. If it's real it's just a bit disturbing.
I have a feeling that Derscon is deliberately paddig up his beliefs in this thread to sound more extreme than he actually is.

Hoohah!! I'm a white straight male radical moderate American Christian. And I love all of it.

White: During my time of pizza delivery, every once in a while I'd have to deliver to a place that was flying the Confederate flag, and I don't live in the South. Those times, I'm not ashamed to say I was glad I was white. OK...that's about all I can come up with there...

Straight male: I love women. I love teasing them, and I especially love it when they tease back. And I love that heady stuff called testosterone that naturally is coursing through my body. It might get me in trouble sometimes, but I don't think I'd feel so alive without it. And did I mention that I love women?

Radical moderate: If you have to ask how that possible, you won't understand. In any case, I'm one of the few in this country who can vote for any party's candidate without any guilt. I am one of the few who truly decides the outcome of the U.S. presidential election. I HAVE ABSOLUTE POWER!! BOW BEFORE ME!!! MWAHAHAHAHA*cough*cough* Dang! Ruined the moment.

American: In spite of the many mistakes we've made, I am still passionately in love with my country. I love the decent compassionate nature of most of the people around me, I love the diversity, and I love being in a small Midwestern town and living within walking distance of a really great authentic Mexican restaurant, whose owner is just one of the awesomest ladies you'll ever meet.

Christian: Which variety? Errr, lessee. Not Catholic or Orthodox. Technically Protestant, though that's misleading. "Evangelical" is confused with "fundamentalist" so often. "Born again" isn't really understood unless you're in. But I love my God desperately. He has saved my life, and I am eternally (literally) grateful.

What I say to you is: everyone who grows angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment
Matthew 5:22

They are not my brothers.

They are not my brothers.
Not technically, but they are your fellow Americans. (You are patriotic, right?)

You know, my first reaction to this post was an intense desire to heap some much deserved insult and denigration upon it's author.... but then I considered it some more and there's really nothing I can say that would paint a more unflattering picture of that indivudual than the contents of the post itself. I mean really, what more is there to say when someone just comes right out and says for themselves that they're a racist chauvinistic bible-thumping homophobe who thinks possessing any other genetic heritage would be "degrating"?

I mean, I just can't top that. I'm good, but I've got limits.

Oh well... I'll have to find some other way to occupy myself this afternoon.

Agreed. This troll deserves not a cookie.

No, but "I have no degrating DNA in my blood" and "I will never go against my bloodline" are more usually heard from neo-Nazis.

Ah, I see. Well, I can understand where you get that point, but I am no facist, and no racist.

On a side, note, though (to whoever brought this up -- I don't remember), I should not have used the word "typical" -- I'll concede that. I should have used "mainstream" -- in quotes, of course -- or "radical" -- not in quotes.

Anyways....

I see homosexuality as a degradation of DNA and blood, yet I do not hate homosexuals -- I hate homosexuality. There's a difference. And I will NEVER accept homosexuality as the norm.

Also, Shlaga, The ACLU is launching a crusade against Christianity, being backed by the leftist whackos (not the normal liberals -- I mean the far left ones -- such as Billary, Kennedy, etc). The ACLU is doing all it can to completely remove Christianity from the face of the United States. THAT is why I cannot stand them. There's a few other reasons, but meh.

Freedom of religion?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." -- Establishment Clause of the First Amendment

Very simple, yet monsters like the ACLU and the radical leftists in Congress have twisted its meaning.

The Government cannot pass a law/ruling/Executive Order making a religion the "state" religion, and it cannot pass a law/ruling/Executive Order removing religion.

The liberals have twisted "Freedom of Religion" to "Removal of Religion" -- and I will not tolerate it.

Not technically, but they are your fellow Americans. (You are patriotic, right?)

THey are not American if they wish to destroy America.

Agreed. This troll deserves not a cookie.

Troll? You mean, because I put up opinions that you disagree with, I'm a troll?

I see homosexuality as a degradation of DNA and blood, yet I do not hate homosexuals -- I hate homosexuality. There's a difference. And I will NEVER accept homosexuality as the norm.
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even though there is growing thought that homosexuality is caused by hormone influences in the womb and not by DNA?

you ROCK! :cool: This IS gods great world, i'm white, european heritage too! :p :p

I'm glad that you are proud of your heritage, gender, and who you are. I applaud you for saying so even though you knew you would take some serious flak from the “tolerant” liberals and leftists out there. Congratulations.

Troll? You mean, because I put up opinions that you disagree with, I'm a troll?

Don't mind Fass. He sometimes goes to extremes. No your not a troll for having an opposing view point. If that was the case, I would've been tossed out of here long time ago.

Thanks for standing up for what you believe.

But to be gay and Muslim is not possible.

I hate to be the one to tell you this but yes, it is possible. Oh, and before you ask, I am neither. I just wanted to let you know it is possible for a person of any race or religion to be homosexual.

I'm a white bisexual agnostic male...and I think I might be in the wrong place.

It's a coined term by some conservatives used to refer to the ultra-liberal feminists. Janet Reno is a good example.

It was coined by Rush Limbaugh if I'm not mistaken.

Troll? You mean, because I put up opinions that you disagree with, I'm a troll?

You're a troll on account of the way you express yourself and how you choose the sort of "pride" that goes more to denigrating others than actually being proud of yourself, and you do it on purpose to be "shocking", in an attention whore sort of way.

You only end up shaming yourself, fortunately.

Derscon, everybody knows you are a queer fag. In fact, you're the gayest faggot since gay came to gay town. :D

even though there is growing thought that homosexuality is caused by hormone influences in the womb and not by DNA?

Never heard that one, actually.

I'm glad that you are proud of your heritage, gender, and who you are. I applaud you for saying so even though you knew you would take some serious flak from the “tolerant” liberals and leftists out there. Congratulations.

Thank you. God Bless.

You're a troll on account of the way you express yourself and how you choose the sort of "pride" that goes more to denigrating others than actually being proud of yourself, and you do it on purpose to be "shocking", in an attention whore sort of way.

You only end up shaming yourself, fortunately.

I suggest you look up the definition of a Troll then look in the mirror.

Derscon isn't trolling in anyway shape or form.

He can have his opinions just like you can have yours and I can have mine.

It was coined by Rush Limbaugh if I'm not mistaken.

You are absolutely correct.

Derscon, everybody knows you are a queer fag. In fact, you're the gayest faggot since gay came to gay town. :D

:eek: Well, you found me. Looks like I'll have to come out of the closet now. :D So, about that date we had in mind, there's a gay bar up the street.... ;)

Just kidding, but hell, if you can't laugh at yourself, you need a life.

Being proud of who you are does not mean you have to denegrate others in the process, you know. Nobody has a problem with White Pride - I mean, I'm very proud to be Irish - but it's when you have to use White Pride as a way of saying "Niggers suck and should go back to Africa" that people have a problem.

Same with Straight Pride ... as long as it isn't used to say "God hates Fags", then there isn't a problem.

Same with Male Pride ... as long as it isn't used to say "Women need to get back in the kitchen", then there isn't a problem.

See where I'm going with this?

I did not see him use the N word or even imply the blacks should go back to Africa.

I did not see him say or imply that either he or God hates Fags.

I did not see him say or imply that women should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.

What I did hear him say is he is proud of his heritage and who he is. What I see is people who are supposed to tolerant of others jumping on him and implying he said things he did not. :headbang:

Do I see where you are going with this? Frankly, I do not.

I suggest you look up the definition of a Troll then look in the mirror.

Derscon isn't trolling in anyway shape or form.

He can have his opinions just like you can have yours and I can have mine.

Oh, he's entitled to his opinions - have I said otherwise? No, I haven't. His flame-bait style of trolling goes very much to how he expresses himself, as I said, by denigrating others and purposefully doing it in such a way as to incite flames or cause anger in others, with statements of "denigrating DNA" and other vile sayings that can be found in the original post.

He didn't do this to proclaim his pride of who he is. He did it to spite and to upset by defining more what he isn't and why what he isn't is bad. It's evident, and deserves but contempt, and a dose of I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons.

Oh, he's entitled to his opinions - have I said otherwise? No, I haven't. His flame-bait style of trolling goes very much to how he expresses himself, as I said, by denigrating others and purposefully doing it in such a way as to incite flames or cause anger in others, with statements of "denigrating DNA" and other vile sayings that can be found in the original post.

He didn't do this to proclaim his pride of who he is. He did it to spite and to upset by defining more what he isn't and why what he isn't is bad. It's evident, and deserves but contempt, and a dose of I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons.

No, I DID do this to proclaim that I am proud of who I am -- you are not me, stop putting words in my mouth.

And obviously, since you know so much more than me in your infinite wisdom [/extreme sarcasm], why don't you tell me how I should have said what I did?

Oh, he's entitled to his opinions - have I said otherwise? No, I haven't. His flame-bait style of trolling goes very much to how he expresses himself, as I said, by denigrating others and purposefully doing it in such a way as to incite flames or cause anger in others, with statements of "denigrating DNA" and other vile sayings that can be found in the original post.

Its his opinion and who he is! How is he flamebaiting. First you said he was trolling now your saying he's flamebaiting. Which is it? Your almost as inconsistent as John Kerry is.

He didn't do this to proclaim his pride of who he is. He did it to spite nd to upset by defining more what he isn't and why what he isn't is bad. It's evident, and deserves but contempt, and a dose of I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons.

Care to prove this statement?

What I did hear him say is he is proud of his heritage and who he is. What I see is people who are supposed to tolerant of others jumping on him and implying he said things he did not. :headbang:


When you learn the meaning of the English words "if" and the phrase "as long as", then we'll talk. Until such time, please leave this discussion to the grown ups.

Also, Shlaga, The ACLU is launching a crusade against Christianity, being backed by the leftist whackos (not the normal liberals -- I mean the far left ones -- such as Billary, Kennedy, etc). The ACLU is doing all it can to completely remove Christianity from the face of the United States. THAT is why I cannot stand them. There's a few other reasons, but meh.
If you think the Clintons and Kennedys are "far left liberals"... who do you think the moderate ones are? George Bush? Zell Miller? :lol:

I think there are several cases you could find where the ACLU has defended Christians. What evidence of the "anti-Christian purge" have you in mind?

Since you claim to be all for freedom of religion and not forcing your religion on others, I'm sure you're OK with gay marriage?

THey are not American if they wish to destroy America.
Indeed, American liberals are not trying to destroy America. They're trying to change it, yes, but not destroy it. Unless I'm wrong and by "liberal" you mean bomb-toting Muslim fundamentalists.

Kadmark you are my hero

But anyway, how come when white people say they are proud to be white they are labled racist? I dont hear anything when a black person says "Black Power". Isnt that a racist statment? No only when it's White Power it's racist.

Being a white, male, protestant/chatholic is harder then any other match up. Everyone is against us becuase we are not a minority, so we dont get special treatment-What happend to the equal rights everyone is talking about, a kid can get a scholarship for being black but a kid cannot get one for being white?(This is true so don't try and say it isnt) This is bullshit, being black is not a disadvantage, there has been enough on this topic to fill the grand cayon yet I see it every day. No one is disadvantaged anymore, being black,asian,hispanic,jewish,musilim is no reason to get "special treatment" me and my black,asian,hispanic,jewish,musilim friends talk about this all the time. Being a white, male, protestant/chatholic sucks in todays world

Never heard that one, actually.
ill look up a link for you at some point, bit busy now :)

Its his opinion and who he is!

So, just because it's an opinion it cannot be formulated as a troll?

How is he flamebaiting.

Reading comprehension isn't that difficult. Read the parts about how liberals are this and that, and how homosexuals are this and that, and how feminists - or, as he so shamefully said it "feminazis" - are this and that. You're telling me he didn't do that to spite and to incite anger in others?


First you said he was trolling now your saying he's flamebaiting. Which is it? Your almost as inconsistent as John Kerry is.

Again, reading comprehension isn't that difficult. "His flame-bait style of trolling..."

And if you really think anybody outside the US would find allusions to John Kerry relevant in any shape or form, you are mistaken.

When you learn the meaning of the English words "if" and the phrase "as long as", then we'll talk. Until such time, please leave this discussion to the grown ups.

Actually, I think you two are on the same side about this -- which also happens to be mine.

When you learn the meaning of the English words "if" and the phrase "as long as", then we'll talk. Until such time, please leave this discussion to the grown ups.

I fully understand the meaning of "if" and "as long as." I'm not Bill Clinton. However, the way I read your post was, you were insinuating he wanted the blacks to go back to Africa, etc. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

Oh, he's entitled to his opinions - have I said otherwise? No, I haven't. His flame-bait style of trolling goes very much to how he expresses himself, as I said, by denigrating others and purposefully doing it in such a way as to incite flames or cause anger in others, with statements of "denigrating DNA" and other vile sayings that can be found in the original post.

He didn't do this to proclaim his pride of who he is. He did it to spite and to upset by defining more what he isn't and why what he isn't is bad. It's evident, and deserves but contempt, and a dose of I.G.N.O.R.E. cannons.
So let me see if I've got this straight ... because what he says makes you angry, he's either a troll or is flamebaiting? If I used the same criteria, about 99% of all Europeans ( among others ) would be "trolls."

Kadmark you are my hero

But anyway, how come when white people say they are proud to be white they are labled racist? I dont hear anything when a black person says "Black Power". Isnt that a racist statment? No only when it's White Power it's racist.

Being a white, male, protestant/chatholic is harder then any other match up. Everyone is against us becuase we are not a minority, so we dont get special treatment-What happend to the equal rights everyone is talking about, a kid can get a scholarship for being black but a kid cannot get one for being white?(This is true so don't try and say it isnt) This is bullshit, being black is not a disadvantage, there has been enough on this topic to fill the grand cayon yet I see it every day. No one is disadvantaged anymore, being black,asian,hispanic,jewish,musilim is no reason to get "special treatment" me and my black,asian,hispanic,jewish,musilim friends talk about this all the time. Being a white, male, protestant/chatholic sucks in todays world

Well said.

Being a white, male, protestant/chatholic sucks in todays world
Oh, poor baby. Looks like you're a prime candidate for God to "turn into a black woman for a week". I don't agree with affirmative action, but to say that your life sucks, when you are in the dominant majority and (probably) rich/middle class, it's just bullshit whining.

Oh boy! A liberal that actually wishes to argue intellgently instead of just saying "all conservatives are facist assholes." Wonderful. [/not sarcasm]

If you think the Clintons and Kennedys are "far left liberals"... who do you think the moderate ones are? George Bush? Zell Miller? :lol:

No. Honestly, I don't think there ARE any true moderates in the US government.

I think there are several cases you could find where the ACLU has defended Christians. What evidence of the "anti-Christian purge" have you in mind?

It'll take a bit to find them, I'll post it later. I may forget, so you'll have to remind me.

Since you claim to be all for freedom of religion and not forcing your religion on others, I'm sure you're OK with gay marriage?

Yes and no. I think the state should back out of marriage completely, and return it to the churches, where it belongs. If two males (note, not men, males) decide they want to love each other, fine, but if you try to tell me that I have to accept them, you better expect an outburst.

Indeed, American liberals are not trying to destroy America. They're trying to change it, yes, but not destroy it. Unless I'm wrong and by "liberal" you mean bomb-toting Muslim fundamentalists.

Whether they are trying or not, they are. Their process of change will bring about America's destruction.

Why do these so called "conservatives" declare that liberals are unpatriotic? Don't they realise that Nazis, communists and fascists did the same thing 60 years ago to their political opponents?

Oh, poor baby. Looks like you're a prime candidate for God to "turn into a black woman for a week". I don't agree with affirmative action, but to say that your life sucks, when you are in the dominant majority and (probably) rich/middle class, it's just bullshit whining.

Well, SP, I'll have to go with you on this one. I don't say my life sucks, but I must say, I'm not rich. You don't have to be rich to be a conservative.

Why do these so called "conservatives" declare that liberals are unpatriotic? Don't they realise that Nazis, communists and fascists did the same thing 60 years ago to their political opponents?

If i had been generalizing by calling all liberals unpatriotic, I apologize -- that was not my intent. Just the radical ones. Problem is, more and more liberals are radicalizing.

So let me see if I've got this straight ... because what he says makes you angry, he's either a troll or is flamebaiting? If I used the same criteria, about 99% of all Europeans ( among others ) would be "trolls."

Haha! Well said.

And obviously, since you know so much more than me in your infinite wisdom [/extreme sarcasm], why don't you tell me how I should have said what I did?

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

"I'm proud in my belief in God because my religion is the one I find most appealing, and I think that others might do well in learning a bit more about it."

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

"I'm proud that I'm straight, because I like women and I like being straight." The part on degrading DNA is too vile to be improved.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

"I'm am proud of my European heritage because I think that Europe is a nice continent that has contributed some wonderful things to the world." The part about bloodlines and whiteness is blatantly racist and just unworthy of anyone.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

"I'm proud that I am a male, because being male is in some form something to be proud of, becuase it is somehow something I've achieved. I support equal rights and opportunities for men and women, but I do not care for certain parts of feminism that seem to be more of placing men in the situation that women are/used to be in."

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see!

This is just sheer hubris and hubris goes before a fall.

No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

Now this is just hateful, spiteful and plain old just out to degrade, deminish, belittle and/or anger. It does not reflect well on you, and very much a flame-bait style of trolling.

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

Again, you should speak of why you are proud of whom you are, and not try to make it some sort of post where, to raise yourself, you lower others. If you truly are proud of yourself you should be able to find reasons for why you are proud of yourself instead of flinging poo on other people.

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Here, again, the hubris (and heresy!)to think that your deity should bless anyone you want it to bless. Also, for someone proud of American culture, it's ironic that you resort to Latin (which I seriously doubt you have a much deeper understanding of other than loose phrases and quotes) to express what you should be able to express in the main language of the culture that you claim to be proud of.

Just a few suggestions.

Yes and no. I think the state should back out of marriage completely, and return it to the churches, where it belongs. If two males (note, not men, males) decide they want to love each other, fine, but if you try to tell me that I have to accept them, you better expect an outburst.

You don't have to accept them. That doesn't really have anything to do with legalising gay marriage. As for the state backing out of marriage, I agree that's probably a good idea. There are churches out there who will wed gay couples given the chance. Would you oppose them?

Do you oppose gay civil unions?
Whether they are trying or not, they are. Their process of change will bring about America's destruction.
Plenty of liberals think the same thing about Republicans, but they don't declare them to be "unpatriotic" or "unAmerican".

Why do these so called "conservatives" declare that liberals are unpatriotic? Don't they realise that Nazis, communists and fascists did the same thing 60 years ago to their political opponents?

Meh, but the accusations by the fascists, et al. were false, largely. Conservatives calling liberals 'unpatriotic' is of course absurd sometimes, but when you have people like Ward Churchill saying the people in the Twin Towers deserved 9/11, or websites like MoveOn.org hoping for American defeat in Iraq, well, people like that aren't doing a whole lot to prove conservatives wrong.

I'm not saying that conservatives are right to label liberals unpatriotic, but I am saying that there are some liberals who are.

If i had been generalizing by calling all liberals unpatriotic, I apologize -- that was not my intent. Just the radical ones. Problem is, more and more liberals are radicalizing.
Calling radical liberals unpatriotic is still completely unfair, especially as you have an extremely wide definition of what that is. (I don't count Bill Clinton as a lefty. The guy invented NAFTA!)

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't radical liberals that smashed planes into New York 3 years ago. They're not trying to destroy your country, they're trying to improve it. Even if you don't agree with their ideas, you should accept that.

So let me see if I've got this straight ... because what he says makes you angry, he's either a troll or is flamebaiting? If I used the same criteria, about 99% of all Europeans ( among others ) would be "trolls."

"Purposefully" being the key word.

You don't have to accept them. That doesn't really have anything to do with legalising gay marriage. As for the state backing out of marriage, I agree that's probably a good idea. There are churches out there who will wed gay couples given the chance. Would you oppose them?

If they are a Christian church, then yes, I would oppose them, and I'd want the head of that church excommunicated from whatever denomination he belongs to.

Do you oppose gay civil unions?

No.

Plenty of liberals think the same thing about Republicans, but they don't declare them to be "unpatriotic" or "unAmerican".

That's because they know that they cannot get away with it, as those liberals usually are the ones who know THEY are the ones who are going against American ideals, not the conservatives.

Meh, but the accusations by the fascists, et al. were false, largely. Conservatives calling liberals 'unpatriotic' is of course absurd sometimes, but when you have people like Ward Churchill saying the people in the Twin Towers deserved 9/11, or websites like MoveOn.org hoping for American defeat in Iraq, well, people like that aren't doing a whole lot to prove conservatives wrong.
I've never heard of Ward Churchill, but you get nutcases everywhere. How about Ann Coulter, who thinks that liberals deserve genocide?

I've never heard of Ward Churchill, but you get nutcases everywhere. How about Ann Coulter, who thinks that liberals deserve genocide?

I have to meet this Ann Coulter

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Yes, and I see you are a very proud inbred heretic.

If you don't get the heretic part, then you really are inbred.

Calling radical liberals unpatriotic is still completely unfair, especially as you have an extremely wide definition of what that is. (I don't count Bill Clinton as a lefty. The guy invented NAFTA!)

Not unfair, no. But Clinton is a lefty. 'sides, NAFTA promotes globalization, if I know it correctly. That's a leftist concept.

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't radical liberals that smashed planes into New York 3 years ago.

Even if it was, you'd never hear anything on it on the media. But you are correct.

They're not trying to destroy your country, they're trying to improve it. Even if you don't agree with their ideas, you should accept that.

Some liberals ARE trying to improve the country, while some are trying to destroy it. Unofortunately, those trying to help are going to lead us to destruction, whether they know it or not.

Yes, and I see you are a very proud inbred heretic.

If you don't get the heretic part, then you really are inbred.

Inbred? So, I'm a redneck because I'm a conservative, I see. You're retarded.

I think I get the heretic part -- the fact I'm not a Catholic. Frankly, Catholic teaching is heresy, often, and the papacy is the antichrist, but that's for another thread.

That's because they know that they cannot get away with it, as those liberals usually are the ones who know THEY are the ones who are going against American ideals, not the conservatives.
You still think that radical liberals are out to get America, huh?

Your mind is obviously set.

I've never heard of Ward Churchill, but you get nutcases everywhere. How about Ann Coulter, who thinks that liberals deserve genocide?

I've never heard of Ward either.

And frankly, I think Ann Coulter needs to be shot, IMNSHO.

"Purposefully" being the key word.
Very difficult to prove that what someone posts on here is "purposefully" intended to make someone else angry. I have often posted things which were nothing more than my heartfelt opinion, only to be accused of the very same thing.

You still think that radical liberals are out to get America, huh?

Your mind is obviously set.

Some are, some aren't. Either way, they're headed on parallel paths.

I've never heard of Ward Churchill, but you get nutcases everywhere. How about Ann Coulter, who thinks that liberals deserve genocide?

Churchill is the guy who said that all the people who died on 9/11 were "little Eichmanns" who deserved to die for the sins of the American government.

Coulter is the woman who said, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity," about Arab nations.

Very difficult to prove that what someone posts on here is "purposefully" intended to make someone else angry. I have often posted things which were nothing more than my heartfelt opinion, only to be accused of the very same thing.

From what I gather from people like Fass, if you disagree with him, you're flamebaiting.

Very difficult to prove that what someone posts on here is "purposefully" intended to make someone else angry. I have often posted things which were nothing more than my heartfelt opinion, only to be accused of the very same thing.

I suggest you take a look at how he chose to express himself. If you can truly then say that his formulation isn't out to degrade others, then you may very well be of the same caliber, which I was hoping you weren't.

Churchill is the guy who said that all the people who died on 9/11 were "little Eichmanns" who deserved to die for the sins of the American government.

Coulter is the woman who said, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity," about Arab nations.

They both need to be shot and dragged through the streets. The former needs to be dragged in NYC, at Ground Zero, and the other -- well, you pick a spot.

From what I gather from people like Fass, if you disagree with him, you're flamebaiting.
If so, he's certainly not alone!

They both need to be shot and dragged through the streets. The former needs to be dragged in NYC, at Ground Zero, and the other -- well, you pick a spot.

Mecca?

From what I gather from people like Fass, if you disagree with him, you're flamebaiting.

I have posted a long post for you to respond to, if you care to leave your boringly simplistic "with me, or against me" tirades.

I'm British. Am I proud of it? Well I didn't put any effort into achieving it so, no. I'm not ashamed of it, but I'm but I'm not proud either.
I'm a straight male. Same as above.
I'm white. I don't really see why coming from a certain branch of the human genome that evolved to have pale skin to aid the synthasizing of certain nutrients in dimmer light is anything to get teary eyed about.

Now, the stuff that I actually did something to achieve, I'm proud of that. No offence, but maybe all you guys should try to accomplish some things you can be really proud of.

I suggest you take a look at how he chose to express himself. If you can truly then say that his formulation isn't out to degrade others, then you may very well be of the same caliber, which I was hoping you weren't.

My mind is not set to degrade others (except maybe you, just in spite of you), it was simply expressing opinions that you happen to think are controversial and wrong, hence because you do not agree with them in your "total acceptance other than conservatism and christianity" mindset, they are flamebaiting.

Ok I disagree with most of your opinions and I think you're entitled to have them.

But why bother creating a thread with that statement?

I have posted a long post for you to respond to, if you care to leave your boringly simplistic "with me, or against me" tirades.

Oh. Forgot, sorry.

I suggest you take a look at how he chose to express himself. If you can truly then say that his formulation isn't out to degrade others, then you may very well be of the same caliber, which I was hoping you weren't.
Don't start making uwarranted assumptions. If I had agreed with everything he said, I would have told you so.

But why bother creating a thread with that statement?

Why not?

I suggest you take a look at how he chose to express himself. If you can truly then say that his formulation isn't out to degrade others, then you may very well be of the same caliber, which I was hoping you weren't.
I don't think Derscon is really trolling. Unlike most trolls he is articulate and explains his opinions.

My mind is not set to degrade others (except maybe you, just in spite of you), it was simply expressing opinions that you happen to think are controversial and wrong, hence because you do not agree with them in your "total acceptance other than conservatism and christianity" mindset, they are flamebaiting.

Even in this post you do it - you degrade me by claiming that I cannot accept conservatism or christianity, and in your original post you drag those different from you in the dirt. If you cannot see how you degrade people in doing that, then I have nothing more to say to you, since you will have confirmed the shameful first impression that you made.

Even in this post you do it - you degrade me by claiming that I cannot accept conservatism or christianity, and in your original post you drag those different from you in the dirt. If you cannot see how you degrade people in doing that, then I have nothing more to say to you, since you will have confirmed the shameful first impression that you made.

wow, you found a way to shut Fass up, congrats!

maybe all you guys should try to accomplish some things you can be really proud of.
I was a counterinsurgency operations officer in Vietnam for about 15 months. I am inordinately proud of that. Warranted, or not?

I was a counterinsurgency operations officer in Vietnam for about 15 months. I am inordinately proud of that. Warranted, or not?

Warrented *Saluting Eutrusca*

Don't start making uwarranted assumptions. If I had agreed with everything he said, I would have told you so.

I am not claiming that you agree with what he wrote. I am just saying that it is incredulous that you should not see in what way the way he chose to express his pride is hateful, hurtful and spiteful, and also purposefully so. He could not in any credible way not have realised that in expressing himself in that way would be incendiary.

Inbred? So, I'm a redneck because I'm a conservative, I see. You're retarded.

I think I get the heretic part -- the fact I'm not a Catholic. Frankly, Catholic teaching is heresy, often, and the papacy is the antichrist, but that's for another thread.
No he didn't mean catholic! And you can not say that is not a flamebait! Just Feck off and don't insult any religion again!

I was a counterinsurgency operations officer in Vietnam for about 15 months. I am inordinately proud of that. Warranted, or not?

Yes, because it's something that you accomplished. Being proud of being a male, or white, is like being proud of your height or the weather in your hometown.

wow, you found a way to shut Fass up, congrats!

As someone already said - leave this to the big boys. Pip-squeaks like you are unworthy of my time.

No he didn't mean catholic! And you can not say that is not a flamebait! Just Feck off and don't insult any religion again!

This is what I hate about Liberals, you love the first amendment untill someone you dont agree with tries to use it

belief in God because my religion is the one I find most appealing, and I think that others might do well in learning a bit more about it."

But the problem is, I believe this society is satanist. You have to understand something about me -- I don't sugarcoat things. I tell it how I see it -- period. You can't handle the truth? Toughen up.

"I'm proud that I'm straight, because I like women and I like being straight." The part on degrading DNA is too vile to be improved.

Really? too bad I actually think homosexual DNA IS a degradation to society.

"I'm am proud of my European heritage because I think that Europe is a nice continent that has contributed some wonderful things to the world." The part about bloodlines and whiteness is blatantly racist and just unworthy of anyone.

WRONG! Saying I'm proud that I'm white is not racist. I said I was proud of European heritage because the Europeans that came to America were white -- it was simply to reinforce the position I'm proud of being white. Besides, I can be proud of my whiteness and not say "blacks suck" -- which they don't.

"I'm proud that I am a male, because being male is in some form something to be proud of, becuase it is somehow something I've achieved. I support equal rights and opportunities for men and women, but I do not care for certain parts of feminism that seem to be more of placing men in the situation that women are/used to be in."

You are taking potshots at me. I'm not even going to bother with this.



In other words, you disagree with it, hence it must be censored.

[quote]Now this is just hateful, spiteful and plain old just out to degrade, deminish, belittle and/or anger. It does not reflect well on you, and very much a flame-bait style of trolling.

See above.

Again, you should speak of why you are proud of whom you are, and not try to make it some sort of post where, to raise yourself, you lower others. If you truly are proud of yourself you should be able to find reasons for why you are proud of yourself instead of flinging poo on other people.

I didn't lower anyone. I said "Fine! Well, I'm proud of what I am, too!" That means -- "That's fine, but I'm proud of what I am too!"

Here, again, the hubris (and heresy!)to think that your deity should bless anyone you want it to bless. Also, for someone proud of American culture, it's ironic that you resort to Latin (which I seriously doubt you have a much deeper understanding of other than loose phrases and quotes) to express what you should be able to express in the main language of the culture that you claim to be proud of.

I know I don't know much Latin. And? Besides, the Latin phrases are more catchy.

It is not heresy -- it is an open declaration/prayer. When people say "God Bless America!" it is a prayer to God, asking his blessing, which He has Given, and will continue to give as long as the radical liberals do not take over.

As someone already said - leave this to the big boys. Pip-squeaks like you are unworthy of my time.

Cool down Fass I was joking, you know, humor? I in no way want you to shut up becuase I live for arguing and you are very good at it. But why dont I have a right to talk and you do, you are being very hypocritical

I am not claiming that you agree with what he wrote. I am just saying that it is incredulous that you should not see in what way the way he chose to express his pride is hateful, hurtful and spiteful, and also purposefully so. He could not in any credible way not have realised that in expressing himself in that way would be incendiary.
Want to know what I saw in his post? I saw a sense of frustration at those he saw as attacking everything in which he believes, and a bit of overreaction to those attacks.

This is what I hate about Liberals, you love the first amendment untill someone you dont agree with tries to use it
number 1: Who said I was a liberal?
number 2 this is an online forum that has rules you can not break those rules. I believe he has broken one of those rules

Yes, because it's something that you accomplished. Being proud of being a male, or white, is like being proud of your height or the weather in your hometown.
Then why "black pride" but not "white pride?" (I have my own ideas as to why, but I'd like to hear yours. )

number 1: Who said I was a liberal?
number 2 this is an online forum that has rules you can not break those rules. I believe he has broken one of those rules

You sound like one, as of rules which have I broken?

Then why "black pride" but not "white pride?" (I have my own ideas as to why, but I'd like to hear yours. )

I don't understand what you're asking. I've seen "black pride" and I've seen "white pride."

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

I'm a center-right Christian myself, but if you agree that homosexuality is biological, why call it "degrading" when it is clearly an act of God?

I don't understand what you're asking. I've seen "black pride" and I've seen "white pride."
Promoted to the same extent?

But the problem is, I believe this society is satanist. You have to understand something about me -- I don't sugarcoat things. I tell it how I see it -- period. You can't handle the truth? Toughen up.



Really? too bad I actually think homosexual DNA IS a degradation to society.



WRONG! Saying I'm proud that I'm white is not racist. I said I was proud of European heritage because the Europeans that came to America were white -- it was simply to reinforce the position I'm proud of being white. Besides, I can be proud of my whiteness and not say "blacks suck" -- which they don't.



You are taking potshots at me. I'm not even going to bother with this.



In other words, you disagree with it, hence it must be censored.



See above.



I didn't lower anyone. I said "Fine! Well, I'm proud of what I am, too!" That means -- "That's fine, but I'm proud of what I am too!"



I know I don't know much Latin. And? Besides, the Latin phrases are more catchy.

It is not heresy -- it is an open declaration/prayer. When people say "God Bless America!" it is a prayer to God, asking his blessing, which He has Given, and will continue to give as long as the radical liberals do not take over.

The first impression was, unfortunately, true to the character you seem to want to project on this forum, especially the one of purposeful belittlement and closed-mindedness. I shall not facilitate your continued shaming any further.

Promoted to the same extent?

Well maybe white pride isn't promoted as publicly, but I've certainly seen both in equal amounts.

You sound like one, as of rules which have I broken?
he I said not you.
What do you mean I sound like one? I was offended because he insulted my religion, do only liberals get offended in the US or something??

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Be proud of your place, I was sayign on an other thread that this isGods country , they people there must all be unAmerican thogh because they got angry. :rolleyes:

Waht is wrong with these people!! Lord Jesus give me STRENGTH to deal with these Sinnres!!! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

he I said not you.
What do you mean I sound like one? I was offended because he insulted my religion, do only liberals get offended in the US or something??

Mainly, and I was talking about the "dont say anything again" or whatever you said

Cool down Fass I was joking, you know, humor? I in no way want you to shut up becuase I live for arguing and you are very good at it. But why dont I have a right to talk and you do, you are being very hypocritical

Don't resort to inventing what I should have said - never have I claimed in any way that you should not be able to express yourself. Do not take opposition to what you say and how you say what you say, to be an opposition to your right to say it (forum rules exempted, of course).

I'm leaving this thread because I do not see the point in arguing with the original author who, despite my attempts to make him refrain from it, continues to belittle and degrade others. It is a waste of time, it seems, to try to find common ground and for him to own up to the fact that such behaviour is not worthy of anyone.

I also take the opportunity before I leave to excuse myself for the flame I directed at you. While not completely out of the blue, it was most certainly out of line, unwarranted, and not meant. I am sorry.

he I said not you.
What do you mean I sound like one? I was offended because he insulted my religion, do only liberals get offended in the US or something??
Hardly! I get offended quite often on here by the ureasoning hatred many Europeans display toward my Country.

Want to know what I saw in his post? I saw a sense of frustration at those he saw as attacking everything in which he believes, and a bit of overreaction to those attacks.

The wrong-doing of others excuses not one's own wrong-doing.

I think I get the heretic part -- the fact I'm not a Catholic. Frankly, Catholic teaching is heresy, often, and the papacy is the antichrist, but that's for another thread.

Careful Derscon or I WILL jump down your throat the next time I hear a comment like this from you again.

My gf is catholic as is my dad's side of the family as well as my gf's family too. Watch it.

Don't resort to inventing what I should have said - never have I claimed in any way that you should not be able to express yourself. Do not take opposition to what you say and how you say what you say, to be an opposition to your right to say it (forum rules exempted, of course).

I'm leaving this thread because I do not see the point in arguing with the original author who, despite my attempts to make him refrain from it, continues to belittle and degrade others. It is a waste of time, it seems, to try to find common ground and for him to own up to the fact that such behaviour is not worthy of anyone.

I also take the opportunity before I leave to excuse myself for the flame I directed at you. While not completely out of the blue, it was most certainly out of line, unwarranted, and not meant. I am sorry.

By saying leave it to the big boys you did, dont worry about the flame this is an intense post with emotions on the fritz

wow, you found a way to shut Fass up, congrats!

That's a feat worth applauding!

*Hands Derscon a Cookie for good work*

Mainly, and I was talking about the "dont say anything again" or whatever you said
I said don't insult any religion again. Which I think is reasonable advice.

Hardly! I get offended quite often on here by the ureasoning hatred many Europeans display toward my Country.
Thats ok then, so long as you're not mistakeing hatred with critisism. (i'm sure you're not)

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth!

Isn't it a bit 'silly'... to be proud of only the things YOU haven't done?

You are straight... but, not by choice, one assumes. You are white - and again, that is how you were born, as is your region of origin.

You are male - which MUST have been how you were born, unless you used to be a hermaphrodite, or are Post-Op.

So - all the things you are proud of... someone else did.

It must be sad, being you.

By saying leave it to the big boys you did, dont worry about the flame this is an intense post with emotions on the fritz

I factored the "big boys" comment in to the flame, and by it I did not mean that you should not write here - just that you shouldn't ambush. For this, I extend my sincere apologies once more.

And leave the thread like I told I would! *makes himself leave the thread... by... hmm... looking for porn! Yeah, that's the ticket!*

I'm golf clapping for you.

Let me be one of the few to say "I see what you did there ;) "

I factored the "big boys" comment in to the flame, and by it I did not mean that you should not write here - just that you shouldn't ambush. For this, I extend my sincere apologies once more.

And leave the thread like I told I would! *makes himself leave the thread... by... hmm... looking for porn! Yeah, that's the ticket!*

Im gonna follow in Fass's footsteps-To Porn!

Then why "black pride" but not "white pride?" (I have my own ideas as to why, but I'd like to hear yours. )
Being proud of being black is also like being proud of your height or the weather in your hometown.

This is what I hate about Liberals, you love the first amendment untill someone you dont agree with tries to use it
No don't worry; it's not like that at all. Most of us are not political correctness freaks.

Just the radical ones. Problem is, more and more liberals are radicalizing.

You bet. Look who they elected as the head of the DNC. They need to move back to the center with people like Liberman and Miller.

You bet. Look who they elected as the head of the DNC. They need to move back to the center with people like Liberman and Miller.

I agree Celtlund. Dean is not that person! Alwell, should be an interesting few years.

You don't have to accept them. That doesn't really have anything to do with legalising gay marriage.

I'll disagree with you here. Leagalizing gay marriage means the state of which I am a member by law accepts the union. As a citizen of the state, I must accept the union. I have no choice in the matter.

You bet. Look who they elected as the head of the DNC. They need to move back to the center with people like Liberman and Miller.
Liberman is conservative, not centrist, and Miller was extremely so.

Dean is not far left as you think, he is a fiscally conservative tax-cutter, which makes him centrist.

I'll disagree with you here. Leagalizing gay marriage means the state of which I am a member by law accepts the union. As a citizen of the state, I must accept the union. I have no choice in the matter.
No it doesn't you don't have to agree with laws, plenty of people don't agree with some laws, like the speed limits.

I'll disagree with you here. Legalizing gay marriage means the state of which I am a member by law accepts the union. As a citizen of the state, I must accept the union. I have no choice in the matter.
No. You don't have to agree with everything your government does.

They both need to be shot and dragged through the streets. The former needs to be dragged in NYC, at Ground Zero, and the other -- well, you pick a spot.

Ok, what did Ann do to upset you so much?

To hell with liberalism, the left should stop being such wussies.

When someone says they're "proud to be white", the solution is a bat to the face.

No "tolerance" for Neo-Nazis, of any kind. Homophobes, sexists and racists, deserve no sympathy.

Mecca?

Infadels are not allowed in Mecca. Why not? As far as I know no one is excluded from Holy sites of other religions. Maybe we should start a new thread on that.

I'll disagree with you here. Leagalizing gay marriage means the state of which I am a member by law accepts the union. As a citizen of the state, I must accept the union. I have no choice in the matter.

Not at all.

You wouldn't be able to actively 'object' to such a union, legally - but there is no capacity of the Constitution that can MAKE you 'accept' it.

Infadels are not allowed in Mecca. Why not? As far as I know no one is excluded from Holy sites of other religions. Maybe we should start a new thread on that.

And yet, Israel wouldn't let Arafat be buried in Jerusalem...

But you are probably willing to ignore that... since they are 'on your side'?

I was a counterinsurgency operations officer in Vietnam for about 15 months. I am inordinately proud of that. Warranted, or not?

Thanks for your service and welcome back. I was in Thialand with the B-52s during the war. And I am proud of my service to my country.

*turned off the minute the word "Feminazi" was mentioned*

Anyone who uses such a meaningless term doesn't deserve my wrath. :)

Infadels are not allowed in Mecca. Why not? As far as I know no one is excluded from Holy sites of other religions. Maybe we should start a new thread on that.
Start your thread on that and stop driving this one off topic.

"I'm am proud of my European heritage because I think that Europe is a nice continent that has contributed some wonderful things to the world." The part about bloodlines and whiteness is blatantly racist and just unworthy of anyone.

Then Black Pride, Hispanic Pride, gay pride, etc are racist. I always thought that and am very glad that a European confirmed it.

I don't understand what you're asking. I've seen "black pride" and I've seen "white pride."

I think the question is; Why is Black Pride acceptable to society, but White Pride is not?

No he didn't mean catholic! And you can not say that is not a flamebait! Just Feck off and don't insult any religion again!

Aww, did I hurt your feeling? Toughen up. Us conservatives deal with liberal shit all the time -- you don't hear us complaining our feelings are hurt.

if you can't take it, don't dish it.

The first impression was, unfortunately, true to the character you seem to want to project on this forum, especially the one of purposeful belittlement and closed-mindedness. I shall not facilitate your continued shaming any further.

In other words, I proved you wrong, but you're ego is too big, so you won't admit it.

The wrong-doing of others excuses not one's own wrong-doing.

And what is my wrongdoing? Expressing my opinions?

Aww, did I hurt your feeling? Toughen up. Us conservatives deal with liberal shit all the time -- you don't hear us complaining our feelings are hurt.
Aren't you whining right now?
And conservatives around here do plenty of whining...
"OMG, they disproved all my points." *sniffle*

Aren't you whining right now?
And conservatives around here do plenty of whining...
"OMG, they disproved all my points." *sniffle*

Whining? No. Stern advice? Yes. :)

*ACHOO!*

Oh, sorry. I'm allergic to bullshit.

Thanks for your service and welcome back. I was in Thialand with the B-52s during the war. And I am proud of my service to my country.

May God Bless you for your service to this Great Nation (assuming you're an American. If not, God Bless you all the same).

Eutrusca, God Bless you too. I think I mentioned that at least once in a different thread, though. :) God Bless you all the same.

No it doesn't you don't have to agree with laws, plenty of people don't agree with some laws, like the speed limits.

I did not say I could not disagree with the law, I said I must accept the law. There is a big difference between agreement and acceptance. For example, if I am own a business and homosexual marriage is law, I must provide the same benefits to all my employees. I may not agree with the law but I am compelled to abide by it or pay the consequences.

Careful Derscon or I WILL jump down your throat the next time I hear a comment like this from you again.

My gf is catholic as is my dad's side of the family as well as my gf's family too. Watch it.

I understand this, and I meant no offence. It is what I believe.

I did not say I could not disagree with the law, I said I must accept the law. There is a big difference between agreement and acceptance. For example, if I am own a business and homosexual marriage is law, I must provide the same benefits to all my employees. I may not agree with the law but I am compelled to abide by it or pay the consequences.

Better idea -- stop government from regulating Free Enterprise.

Done! More money for everyone, and a better world for tomorrow.

*ACHOO!*

Oh, sorry. I'm allergic to bullshit.
You are the very soul of wit. [/sarcasm]

Better idea -- stop government from regulating Free Enterprise.

Done! More money for everyone, and a better world for tomorrow.

Amen!

I did not say I could not disagree with the law, I said I must accept the law. There is a big difference between agreement and acceptance. For example, if I am own a business and homosexual marriage is law, I must provide the same benefits to all my employees. I may not agree with the law but I am compelled to abide by it or pay the consequences.

Seems fair.

That, then... is your choice.

You don't HAVE to 'accept' the law, but you have to pay consequences if you don't.

Of course, accepting the law regarding discrimination, is an entirely different matter to being force to 'accept' homosexual marriage.

Personally, my sense of fairness would make me offer the same deal (or as similar as I could make it) to ALL employees, regardless of sex, sexuality, race or age.

Perhaps that's just me.

It makes me wonder if your prejudices really ARE defined by what it will cost you, financially?

It isn't too hard (as fass pointed out) to express one's opinions and views without degrading someone else.

The first post is clearly degrading, as you're saying that the society of the USA is immoral and satanistic, this means that the majority of people who live in the USA must therefore be immoral and satanistic in your view. Wouldn't you find it very insulting if I called you immoral and satanistic without backing my statement up with something?

hmm... and no degrading DNA, heh, that's funny, we have thousands of pretty useless genomes that are usually the result of virus from centuries (if not longer) ago, I doubt it if any of us are perfect. So are you calling homosexuality a disease or degrading? If you are, then obviously you are calling the homosexuals sick or lesser. There's no reason to make that comment if you're proud about being straight. You could just leave it at: I'm proud about being straight.

Actually, just generally, half of your comments (which had nothing to do with you being proud and much more to do with degrading others) could have been left out. Of course, if you actually believe those things, you're going to have to tolerate being called intolerant. Some people are intolerant, but in the society of the western world, we have done everything we can to avoid intolerance degrading our society. I do believe intolerance degrades our society. The point about seeking neutral ground with ideas such as secular governments is that these aren't intolerant: Sure, christianity (or whichever religion happens to be considered the state religion) doesn't have a word to say on state matters, but ideally, the state shouldn't have anything to say on religious matters.

If the government wants to marry homosexuals, let them.

If the church doesn't want to marry homosexuals, let them.

Conclusion: if you express your views in an intolerant way, expect to be seen as intolerant. If you're going to be talking about being proud, keep to the subject (just look at this post and you'll see how much good it would have done if I had kept to the subject). If you're going to be saying how you hate other people, you can do that too, but it probably won't gather much support, which I believe is a good thing. Why should we celebrate hating others and ourselves when we can celebrate loving others and ourselves?

Start your thread on that and stop driving this one off topic.

Yes Sir. Done Sir. :D

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8308264#post8308264

Better idea -- stop government from regulating Free Enterprise.

Done! More money for everyone, and a better world for tomorrow.
Good, and while they're at it they should STOP regulating our personal lives!.

U R A DISGRACE 2 ALL FREEDOM, DIVERSITY LOVING PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD!
How can u hate others?
How can u denounce the NOW and the ACLU when both organizations have spread a progressive, hopeful agenda throughout our nation?
How can u spread hate and destruction throughout our great country?
WHO R U, A WHITE SUPREMIST WHO GOES AROUND WITH THE KU KLUX KLAN?
Its because of ppl like u that genocide happens! Its because of ppl like u that this world is in its position right now, falling apart!
How can u be so intolerant and spread hateful messages throughout the intenet?
How do u hav the right 2 bash homosexuals when they're doin whut they're doin and not bothering u?
When u bash ppl that r different than you, your not following g-d's way's. So why should g-d bless America and Bush as u said when their are people like u around destroying g-d's work!
Im disgusted at conservatives like u who pride about being white supremists and go around with the Confederate flag hoping to bring our country back to the days before ORGANIZED LABOR, before privacy rights, before child labor laws, minimum wage laws, before regulation of our foods and drugs so we know their safe, before Social Security- and u get your hands on that program millions of seniors will be dumped on the street into a life of poverty.
EVERYTHING WE HOLD DEAR U WANT 2 DESTROY. (and Bush as well. G-d i fear for this nation because if the dollar keeps sinking we're gonna have a depression)
I HOPE U GET IT BUT BY BEING RACIST AND SEXIST, YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS RACIST SINCE U CLAIM THAT U ADORE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND BUSH.
BUT U KNOW WHUT- THERE WILL NEVER BE A DAY WHEN US LIBERALS CEDE 2 YOUR HATING, DESTRUCTING AGENDA. I WILL NEVER BE A BYSTANDER 2 PPL LIKE U AND I CALL UPON EVERYONE 2 STAND UP AND UNITE OUR VOICES TOGETHER AGAINST HATRED AND BIGOTRY! BECAUSE IF WE DONT CONDEMN RACISM AND SEXISM ETC. WHEN IT STARTS, IT WILL JUST GET STRONGER AND STRONGER AND STRONGER!
THANX FOR YOUR TIME...

-snip-
If you want to post here, please:

1. Write in English, not text sp33k.

2. Do not flame.

3. Break your passages into paragraphs! It's bloody unreadable otherwise!

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!


BAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!! Who would have thought my joke thread would spawn such silliness????

Jesus, and people complain about ME having bad spelling and grammar. Anyways, not the point. To respond (with translations)

You, Derscon, are a disgrace to all freedom and diverity-loving people in the world!

That's nice. I love freedom, but diversity is perversity. At least, the liberals' twisted view of diversity. (NOTE: When I say liberal, I mean radical liberals.)

How can u hate others? (NOTE: I've decided I will not offer translations any more)

Very easily -- they piss me off. I don't hate a lot of people though -- just their lifestyles. I guess "Love the person, hate the sin" comes to mind, but I don't exactly "love" them.

How can u denounce the NOW and the ACLU when both organizations have spread a progressive, hopeful agenda throughout our nation?

Uh...bullshit? They have oppressed the Christians (ACLU) and the men (NOW) of society.

How can u spread hate and destruction throughout our great country?

I'm not.

WHO R U, A WHITE SUPREMIST WHO GOES AROUND WITH THE KU KLUX KLAN?

No, I'm a Pennsylvanian Conservative who likes capitalism and Christianity. And the First and Second Amendments. Sorry, you're WRONG.

Its because of ppl like u that genocide happens! Its because of ppl like u that this world is in its position right now, falling apart!

Since when did I say I want concentration camps in America? It's people like you that give liberals a bad name.

How can u be so intolerant and spread hateful messages throughout the intenet?

They are not hateful at all.

How do u hav the right 2 bash homosexuals when they're doin whut they're doin and not bothering u?

I am not bashing all homosexuals, I am speaking out against homosexuality and the radicals of the Homo front group that are trying to shove acceptance as norm down our throats. (refrains from making satire comments)

When u bash ppl that r different than you, your not following g-d's way's. So why should g-d bless America and Bush as u said when their are people like u around destroying g-d's work!

*sigh* You just don't get it. I'm not bashing the people, just the lifestyles. There IS a difference.

I am not destroying God's work -- I am preserving it by fighting those who wish to destroy God altogether.

Im disgusted at conservatives like u who pride about being white supremists and go around with the Confederate flag hoping to bring our country back to the days before (censored for boringness and total bullshit)

I'm not a white supremacist -- I am just proud I'm white. Just like blacks have the right to be proud thier black. I have a decent amount of black friends, mind you, and they know my opinions, and they understand that I am not a supremacist. Obviously, you don't.


before Social Security- and u get your hands on that program millions of seniors will be dumped on the street into a life of poverty.

Uh...wrong? Social Security is a Great Idea Gone Wrong. The Government has fucked it up beyond belief. We need to abolish SS and have people invest in their own private IRAs, away from the prying hands of the government.


EVERYTHING WE HOLD DEAR U WANT 2 DESTROY. (and Bush as well. G-d i fear for this nation because if the dollar keeps sinking we're gonna have a depression)

A) What you hold dear will destoy America. I ADVOCATE the destruction of what you hold dear, as it will destroy America.

B) THe economy is climbing, in case you forgot. By the way, considering the WTC were HUGE economic centres, their destruction caused the econ to slump, nevertheless consumer confidence dropped after the Towers fell. It wasn't Bush's fault. if you want to blame anyone, blame the radical "Muslims." (The terrorists don't deserve to be called that. I'm a Christian and I know that Islam is a peaceful religion)

I HOPE U GET IT BUT BY BEING RACIST AND SEXIST, YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS RACIST SINCE U CLAIM THAT U ADORE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND BUSH.

Nope, you're just not getting the point. Your bias that all Republicans are racist extremists is clear here in this post. You came in with the mindset that I was a racist, and I believe I have clearly proved you wrong. You are twisting my words and incorrectly interpreting them.

BUT U KNOW WHUT-

What?


THERE WILL NEVER BE A DAY WHEN US LIBERALS CEDE 2 YOUR HATING, DESTRUCTING AGENDA.

That will be the day America falls, even though I have no hating, destructive agenda.

I WILL NEVER BE A BYSTANDER 2 PPL LIKE U AND I CALL UPON EVERYONE 2 STAND UP AND UNITE OUR VOICES TOGETHER AGAINST HATRED AND BIGOTRY!

Okay. Let's start by getting rid of you.


BECAUSE IF WE DONT CONDEMN RACISM AND SEXISM ETC. WHEN IT STARTS, IT WILL JUST GET STRONGER AND STRONGER AND STRONGER!

That's great. I condemn both of those. I also condemn the radical leftists using them and exploiting the women and blacks of society to advance their own political agenda. You want to free the blacks from oppression? Assassinate Jessie Jackson and the entire NAACP leadership, and teach blacks that they CAN overcome their problems WITHOUT government help. They have been brainwashed to thinking that they NEED government support to survive, which is bullcrap. They need to be taught the fact that if you have confidence in yourself, and self-reliance, YOU WILL SUCCEED! We need to stop punishing the achievers in society, the rich, because if they don't invest capital to create jobs and wealth, who will? No one.

THANX FOR YOUR TIME...

You're quite welcome.

BAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!! Who would have thought my joke thread would spawn such silliness????

That was a JOKE thread? HAHAHA! I didn't bother reading it, but whatever. :D

That was a JOKE thread? HAHAHA! I didn't bother reading it, but whatever. :D
Well cripes...it said, I'm gay, black and muslim when I actually happen to be native/Irish, female, straight and aethist...I don't think many people read it, they just started posting their own silly threads...though the vast majority seem to be I'm White threads....I guess they thought the black, gay, muslims were getting too uppity?

Well cripes...it said, I'm gay, black and muslim when I actually happen to be native/Irish, female, straight and aethist...I don't think many people read it, they just started posting their own silly threads...though the vast majority seem to be I'm White threads....I guess they thought the black, gay, muslims were getting too uppity?
I noticed that too. Poor straight, white men. The world really is out to get them isn't it? :p

And "Diversity is perversity?" Derscon... That's one of the lamest catchphrases I've ever heard, not to mention is it blatantly not true...

Well cripes...it said, I'm gay, black and muslim when I actually happen to be native/Irish, female, straight and aethist...I don't think many people read it, they just started posting their own silly threads...though the vast majority seem to be I'm White threads....I guess they thought the black, gay, muslims were getting too uppity?

Heh.

Well, this wasn't ETNIRELY based on your thread -- actually, your thread had a 23% affect on this thread's creation. I've been wanting to do this for awhile, but you just pushed it to the "I'm posting this thread under any circumstances" point. ;)

I noticed that too. Poor straight, white men. The world really is out to get them isn't it? :p

And "Diversity is perversity?" Derscon... That's one of the lamest catchphrases I've ever heard, not to mention is it blatantly not true...

In the literal sense, no it is not. THe radical liberals have taken it way too far, though, and their "diversity" is going to aid in the destruction of America.

Too tired to explain now. Maybe tomorrow.

In the literal sense, no it is not. THe radical liberals have taken it way too far, though, and their "diversity" is going to aid in the destruction of America.

Too tired to explain now. Maybe tomorrow.
Ay, the radical EVERYTHING have taken things too far...but I don't judge any group by their radicals, or dismiss the rest of the more sane majority that are actually trying to enact positive changes. The destruction of America? Well I've heard lots of opinions on that one...I guess you need to define what that destruction would mean. One person's destruction might be the majority's salvation...

THe radical liberals have taken it way too far, though, and their "diversity" is going to aid in the destruction of America.


THE RADICAL LIBERALS. Now it's the "radical liberal conspiracy..." (Radical liberals like me! even though I'm not a "liberal" I'm sure you think I am...) And isn't radical liberal somewhat of an oxymoron?

And IMO it's not diversity, it's unity. We're all human after all.

B) THe economy is climbing, in case you forgot. By the way, considering the WTC were HUGE economic centres, their destruction caused the econ to slump, nevertheless consumer confidence dropped after the Towers fell. It wasn't Bush's fault. if you want to blame anyone, blame the radical "Muslims." (The terrorists don't deserve to be called that. I'm a Christian and I know that Islam is a peaceful religion)

Not to mention Clinton screwed the economy over his last year in office. And everybody, of course, blames it on Bush ::rolls eyes::

ACLU: Anti-Christian Loser's Union, as I once saw it called in a comic :P

How can you be truly Conservative and Protestant?
Protestants are allways changing their doctrine and knowlege of the supposed truth. They seem to think the truth changes, and that the Church founded AND PROCLAIMED BY THE APOSTLES is wrong?
Librilism is essentially the belief that the truth changes as well.

All true Catholics are true conservatives. ;)

So while I agree with everything else (except the racist thing) I hope you will take the Protestant thing out of the equation.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!



thats too bad.

Isn't it a shame that so many American fascists spell just about as well as Dubya? Their grammar isn't so hot either....
Some examples!
"degrating"
"feminazis" - what this word means I'm not sure...
"who's" - oh dear, was someone not paying attention in what you Americans pass for "English grammar"?
"shined" - it's shone, honey.

All disrespect to your fascist, unaccepting and racist views.


Feminazi - a pejorative term coined by conservative radio host Ruch Limbaugh to refer to the feminists that he personally finds the most obnoxious. According to Limbaugh, "a feminazi is a woman to whom the most important thing in life is seeing to it that as many abortions as possible are performed."

All true Catholics are true conservatives. ;)

Are you trying to tell me that Vatican II did not change some of the "truths" taught by the Catholic Church prior to Vatican II? :confused:

Ay, the radical EVERYTHING have taken things too far

I'll give you that one.

...but I don't judge any group by their radicals, or dismiss the rest of the more sane majority that are actually trying to enact positive changes.

I try not to either, but I know very few liberals that are not radicalized.

The destruction of America? Well I've heard lots of opinions on that one...I guess you need to define what that destruction would mean. One person's destruction might be the majority's salvation...

I know what you are saying here. I don't mean the physical destruction of America. I meant the destruction of the constitution, the destruction of God, Country, American Values, and capitalism -- the things this nation was founded on and meant to preserve.

Aww, did I hurt your feeling? Toughen up. Us conservatives deal with liberal shit all the time -- you don't hear us complaining our feelings are hurt.

if you can't take it, don't dish it.
like what what liberal shit have you been dealing with? Huh? The only shit I see here is yours.
So have fun with your Straight, Protestant White Male Conservative American friends because you won't have any from outside your little group from the shit I'm reading off you, thats only if they don't have a problem with your hatered of groups of people.
Go join the UVF they'll be happy to have you.

Not to mention Clinton screwed the economy over his last year in office. And everybody, of course, blames it on Bush ::rolls eyes::

ACLU: Anti-Christian Loser's Union, as I once saw it called in a comic :P
Might be some truth in that, you needed a good president to fix the problems and you got Bush, hate that!

THE RADICAL LIBERALS. Now it's the "radical liberal conspiracy..." (Radical liberals like me! even though I'm not a "liberal" I'm sure you think I am...) And isn't radical liberal somewhat of an oxymoron?

In the sense i'm using it, no. If you took the word "liberal" literally, then yes it would be. "Liberal" is commonly used to describe the left wing. When I use it in this manner, no, it is not an oxymoron. I can see where you're coming from, though.

And IMO it's not diversity, it's unity. We're all human after all.

Hey, national unity is great. Problem is, a lot of the Demoncats (read as: radical liberals of the Democrat party) ARE treating it as diversity, but yet still twisting it. They are trying to isolate the cultures -- separate them -- while degrading the white male christian.

How can you be truly Conservative and Protestant?
Protestants are allways changing their doctrine and knowlege of the supposed truth.

You obviously are not too well educated on this, are you. On my quest for Divine Truth, I have changed my perspective many times, even *gasp* was a communist agnostic for part of my life. :eek:

Now, though, I believe I have found it in the Free Presbyterian Church.

They seem to think the truth changes, and that the Church founded AND PROCLAIMED BY THE APOSTLES is wrong?

The Catholic Church before the papacy was fine -- THAT was the church that was founded by Christ and the apostles. The papacy has corrupted the Church, which is why Martin Luther posted his theses in the first place.

The office of the papacy did not exist until WELL AFTER the foundation of the Christian Church.

Librilism is essentially the belief that the truth changes as well.

Not really.

All true Catholics are true conservatives. ;)

I agree. Let me put it to you this way.

True Conservatism is a triangle. True Catholics are isosceles trianges. Catch what I'm sayin'?

So while I agree with everything else (except the racist thing) I hope you will take the Protestant thing out of the equation.

No I will not, and again, I am not a racist.

Weak troll. 2/10 for originality.
7/10 execution

Overall, 4.5/10

Better luck next time. :D

More like 1/10; he pulled it straight off some wacko's blog most likely

Excecution was more average than anything else, I'd say about 5.5

in total: 6.5/20 or 3.25/10. Subpar to say the least

like what what liberal shit have you been dealing with? Huh? The only shit I see here is yours.

Of course you think so. one does not smell their own body odor unless it's VERY wretched. Once they smell their own odor, they think it is someone else's.


So have fun with your Straight, Protestant White Male Conservative American friends

I will, thanks. :)

because you won't have any from outside your little group from the shit I'm reading off you, thats only if they don't have a problem with your hatered of groups of people.

You're too goddamned dense if you still believe I'm a bigot. I'm not even going to bother reexplaining all of that to you when I've done it plenty of times throughout the thread.

Oh, and by the way, half of my friends are liberal, and I have a few "card-carring" Communists.

Go join the UVF they'll be happy to have you.

I know they would, but I'm not going to as they are across the lake.

More like 1/10; he pulled it straight off some wacko's blog most likely

Excecution was more average than anything else, I'd say about 5.5

in total: 6.5/20 or 3.25/10. Subpar to say the least

.....

Oh well. If you are too dense to pick it up within the first eight pages, you're hopeless. I'm not going to bother with you.

How strange.
No, really... it's so weird. Maybe it's an Americanism, that religion is associated with politics.
I don't understand Christians who talk about other people as if they're inferior. Fortunately, there are far more "normal" ones.
It's good to be proud of who you are, but... that's just kind of angry and strange. Sorry.

Oh no not against catholics at all, just say the pope is the anti-christ

Oh no not against gays at all just tell them they're all going to hell

wow you're such an understanding non bigoted guy [/sarcasm]

thats too bad.

*sniffle* I'm so hurt. [/sarcasm]

Oh no not against catholics at all, just say the pope is the anti-christ

Oh no not against gays at all just tell them they're all going to hell

wow you're such an understanding non bigoted guy [/sarcasm]

I am not against the people, I am against the establishment that they follow. There's a difference.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

Oh the irony.

Have fun with that. When I'm writing a description of myself, I normally include my interests. You seem to include how you hate gays.

Why are you proud of your nationality or your religion? They don't make you who you are - your intolerance and ignorance does.

I wonder, should I wear the "Dumb Liberal" or the "Facist" nametag....hmmmm

I am not against the people, I am against the establishment that they follow. There's a difference.
How do feel about people who hate America?
Now think about your views and how others would feel, and no it's not different plenty of people hate America but not the people.

I'm a straight, Protestant White Male Conservative. And you know what? I'm proud of it!

That's fantastic, but isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? *shrug* Hey, maybe I'm mistaken, you're the Protestant. ^^

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

Again, pride and arrogance. Bad.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

So you are proud of being born without the "degrading" genetic trait to be homosexual, something you had no control over nor worked to achieved? Interesting...

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

Now, I'm assuming either two things by this. My first thought is that you mean you would never date/love/marry someone of another race, or that you would never deny your heritage. I'll assume the former for the moment. It's your right not to marry into other races, stupid in my opinion, but hey, whatever.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

Here I can almost sympathise. Most feminists scare me. (I am a woman.) I don't see why people can't just treat other people like-get this-other people. Do we really have to do this battle of the sexes? Look at science, people. Women, by nature, are built differently than men for REASONS. Women can do things men can't, men can do things that women can't. End of story.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the HomoFront, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

You're right, NO ONE can take away your love of God and Country, it's a beautiful thing. However, although I can understand your feelings against ACLU as they are extremists, there are extremists on both sides, if you hate them and all they stand for, you gotta accept some of them will hate you and everything you stand for. That's America.

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

Good, and now, like them, you get the oppurtunity to be ridiculed for your ridiculous post. ^_^

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

Heh, this reminds me of Fiddler on the Roof. "...may God bless and keep the czar...far away from us!" XD

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

I have to say, this is the only part of your post I agree with entirely. ^.^

That's fantastic, but isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? *shrug* Hey, maybe I'm mistaken, you're the Protestant. ^^

I don't think pride is a sin.

Again, pride and arrogance. Bad.

Pride is good. And it is not arrogance. It is my observation.

So you are proud of being born without the "degrading" genetic trait to be homosexual, something you had no control over nor worked to achieved? Interesting...

And? What's your point. Technically, if I worked hard enough, I could go against my DNA and become homosexual, but frankly, I really don't feel like it -- I like women too much. ;)


Now, I'm assuming either two things by this. My first thought is that you mean you would never date/love/marry someone of another race, or that you would never deny your heritage. I'll assume the former for the moment. It's your right not to marry into other races, stupid in my opinion, but hey, whatever.

Actually, you're wrong. It IS the second one. And I agree with you it is someone's right not to interbreed.



Here I can almost sympathise. Most feminists scare me. (I am a woman.)

Feminists are okay -- they want equal rights. It's the feminazis we have to be wary of. They want women's dominance over men.

I don't see why people can't just treat other people like-get this-other people. Do we really have to do this battle of the sexes?

I don't -- feminazis do.

Look at science, people. Women, by nature, are built differently than men for REASONS. Women can do things men can't, men can do things that women can't. End of story.

Thank you. I agree.

You're right, NO ONE can take away your love of God and Country, it's a beautiful thing.

I know. :D


However, although I can understand your feelings against ACLU as they are extremists, there are extremists on both sides, if you hate them and all they stand for, you gotta accept some of them will hate you and everything you stand for. That's America.

I did. I also accept the fact I can denounce them. :)



Good, and now, like them, you get the oppurtunity to be ridiculed for your ridiculous post. ^_^

Rediculos? I think not? Controversial? Let yourself be the judge. (read as: duh. ;))

And I accept that -- I also take my right to defend myself --which I'm doing now.


Heh, this reminds me of Fiddler on the Roof. "...may God bless and keep the czar...far away from us!" XD

Ha! I know where you're coming from, but I support Bush, so I disagree, but there's 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 other threads to discuss Bush -- let's not do it here. :)



I have to say, this is the only part of your post I agree with entirely. ^.^

:D Gotta start somewhere.

I am a "Liberal" but not in the USA sense, I don't know why US "liberals" are called and and call themselves that. Socialists would be more apt.

To me "liberal" government is one that insures basic freedoms and protects it's citizens from outside attack. Sounds alot like the good ol' USA.

How do feel about people who hate America?

How do I feel about people that hate America? I can probably get along with them, as long as we don't touch on politics, etc. I'll hate their beliefs, yet still be friends. Why? I put politics aside. Simple, eh?

Now think about your views and how others would feel.

Why? Because you disagree, or you might be offended, I should keep my mouth shut? Over my dead body.

plenty of people hate America but not the people.

Actually, you just backed up my point. Thank you.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I agree with you generally, but what do you refer to when you speak of "degrading DNA"? And why would you care about your bloodline? It makes no difference. You should be proud of your culture, but because you're descended from Western Europeans doesn't make much difference genetically.

Why? Because you disagree, or you might be offended, I should keep my mouth shut? Over my dead body.


How do I feel about people that hate America? I can probably get along with them, as long as we don't touch on politics, etc. I'll hate their beliefs, yet still be friends. Why? I put politics aside. Simple, eh?

Actually, you just backed up my point. Thank you.

Actually, you just backed up my point. Thank you.

:confused:

You'll have to explain that one.

:confused:

You'll have to explain that one.
well not really(reuseing your words),


but it shows you are a hypocrite
Why? I put politics aside. Simple, eh?
I should keep my mouth shut? Over my dead body.
Not really putting politics aside. :rolleyes:

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!


Hmm, where to start...well, the format just begs to get broken down, so how about we do so?

I'm a Straight, Protestant White Male Conservative American!

I'm a Straight, Humanist Deist White Male Semi-Liberatarian, nice to meet you.

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

Well, I wouldn't say I'm proud of my views, heritage, and beliefs, I'm actually rather indifferent.


I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

Well, that's good for you. I wouldn't exactly call any society immoral, seeing as morals are quite arbitrary, but I would call it generally satanist in the sense that it is quite self-centered and self-worshipping.


I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

Oh, I can guarantee you that you have some degenerated DNA strands in you, everyone does, most all DNA is flawed in some way. Though, of course, I don't see how your two comments above are connected, you should probably have put a period instead of a comma and made the second part a new sentence.


I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

Well, I can certainly say I'm proud to be and Irish-American, but I'm thinking its for different reasons than you're proud of your heritage.


I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.


Yetch, haters of any kind put a sour taste in my mouth. Why can't people just kind of, you know, live together without being at each other's throats?

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth!

This is where we're going to have to agree to disagree. I think, social conservatism (AKA authoritarianism) as a whole is quite dis-tasteful. I probably would agree with you on economic issues, though, if it weren't for the fact that I'm hedging on you actually being a neo-conservative and, thus, quite fiscally liberal.

No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see!

Amen brother, though it's a shame how it never has really reached its potential, getting especially worse since the very brief golden age after the gilded age. I can only imagine the horrors we have in store for us if it continues down the path of opression and hate its begun on in the last several years.

No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity,

Oh my, you seem to have been greatly mis-informed on the actions of the ACLU. Shall I dig up the links I have that show the numerous cases the ACLU has taken in great defense of the rights of Christians to freely practice their religion in America?

the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks

Pro-death? Did NOW become some kind of suicide cult when I started ignoring it?

or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

While I really don't pay attention to the homosexual activist groups, from the way you put it they're just looking for equality. Nothing wrong with that, especially here in America, a country built on equality.


I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

Bleh, I also dislike people who seem to think they're something special for being a minority. When will people understand that equality means everyone is equal, not just the formerly unequal being more equal than the formerly greater.


God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

I'm sure Georgey boy has asked more than once in the conversations he holds with the big man upstairs...*snicker*


God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

God bless humanity.

You seem to include how you hate gays.

He did not say he hated homosexuals. He said he hated the homosexual agenda. There is a difference you know. :headbang:

I am a "Liberal" but not in the USA sense, I don't know why US "liberals" are called and and call themselves that. Socialists would be more apt.

They don't call themselves socialists here because that is a bad word in America. The Democratic party has become a Socialist party but it wasn't always that way.

I don't think pride is a sin.

According to Pope Gregory the Great (d. 604), it is. And before you ask, yes, I am aware Catholics and Protestants are different, however, the Protestant religion is a derivative of the Catholic church (thank you, Martin Luther, for speaking against indulgences), and I'm pretty sure the same seven deadly sins apply. And they are:

1. Superbia - Pride
2. Invidia - Envy
3. Ira - Anger
4. Avaritia - Avarice
5. Accidia - Sloth
6. Gula - Gluttony
7. Luxuria - Lust

All I'm saying is, don't parade your religion off as being so much more superior than other's beliefs while contradicting it.

And? What's your point. Technically, if I worked hard enough, I could go against my DNA and become homosexual, but frankly, I really don't feel like it -- I like women too much.

Uhm, no, no you could not. You are either attracted to a gender or you aren't. The whole 'homosexuality is a choice" bunk is ridiculous. Why would a person choose to be shunned by the majority of society? They wouldn't.

By the by, I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just having a discussion with you. ^^

They don't call themselves socialists here because that is a bad word in America. The Democratic party has become a Socialist party but it wasn't always that way.

Bad word in America? O_o

As an American, I have no idea what you're talking about. The socialists are good people with good ideals that might work, I just prefer a free market and, you know, low taxes.

And the Democratic party is highly NOT socialist.

While I really don't pay attention to the homosexual activist groups, from the way you put it they're just looking for equality. Nothing wrong with that, especially here in America, a country built on equality.

They have equal rights. Because they are American citizens or guests in this country they are afforded the same rights as any other American citizen. Their agenda is "special rights." :( Maybe you should pay more attention to them.

I wish I could wander into an IKEA store and just pet the people shopping there. They wouldn't get to run or yell at me. Most of all they couldn't call the police. They'd just have to let me treat the store like a petting zoo. I'd really like that.

Excuse me. I have to call up IKEA again.

Bad word in America? O_o

As an American, I have no idea what you're talking about. The socialists are good people with good ideals that might work, I just prefer a free market and, you know, low taxes.

And the Democratic party is highly NOT socialist.

If you prefer a free market and low taxes you must be a Republican. :)

Yes, much of the Democratic platform and much of what the Democrats have done in the past is Socialism. Some examples; The WPA, TVA, Social Security, Johnson's Great Society. I'm not saying all these ideas are bad, I'm saying they are Socialists. The Democratic Party is, and has become more, Socialist than it was just 50 years ago.

Hey, national unity is great. Problem is, a lot of the Demoncats (read as: radical liberals of the Democrat party) ARE treating it as diversity, but yet still twisting it. They are trying to isolate the cultures -- separate them -- while degrading the white male christian.
What are you talking about? Where do you get this idea the the Democrats are bringing about a new segregation? Besides, most of their candidates are white male christians.

Now, though, I believe I have found it in the Free Presbyterian Church.
That is a terrorist-supporting church. Ian Paisley supports loyalist terrorists in Northern Ireland. But it's OK to be a terrorist when you're a white male christian, right? :rolleyes:

In the literal sense, no it is not. THe radical liberals have taken it way too far, though, and their "diversity" is going to aid in the destruction of America.

Too tired to explain now. Maybe tomorrow.

Actually - I quite like the inverse.. I think we may be really onto something...

Perversity is diversity...

Hey guys guess what? I am myself. How interesting.


I am what I am by the grace of God.

He did not say he hated homosexuals. He said he hated the homosexual agenda. There is a difference you know. :headbang:

Ah... yes, the 'homosexual' agenda.

That sick twisted ambition of people wanting to live with other people that they like.

HOW DARE THEY!!!

Ah... yes, the 'homosexual' agenda.

That sick twisted ambition of people wanting to live with other people that they like.

HOW DARE THEY!!!And if we let homosexuals marry they will have babies and take over the world with their subversive lifestyle. HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE IS DANGEROUS!

I met a gay guy once. He had seven children from his life partner. All of them were suicide bombers. The killed my Patrick Mini too many times to count.*

*Seven is the standard number of times that is too many to count. This corelation may or may not have to do with the number of fingers I have on my left hand.

They don't call themselves socialists here because that is a bad word in America. The Democratic party has become a Socialist party but it wasn't always that way.
How can you go so long on this forum without learning what socialism is? They're more socialist than Republicans, but they are fundamentally capitalist. Socialists want to get rid of capitalism. Democrats/liberals just want to regulate it a bit.

Their agenda is "special rights." :( Maybe you should pay more attention to them.
Why do people who say things like this always so deliberately vague? It's because your homophobic arguments are bullshit and you know it. If you were for real you would point out what "special rights" the homosexuals want.

If you prefer a free market and low taxes you must be a Republican. :)

Yes, much of the Democratic platform and much of what the Democrats have done in the past is Socialism. Some examples; The WPA, TVA, Social Security, Johnson's Great Society. I'm not saying all these ideas are bad, I'm saying they are Socialists. The Democratic Party is, and has become more, Socialist than it was just 50 years ago.
No, he's not a Republican because Republicans are not for a free market, they're for subsidising their corporate friends.

The Democrats have become less socialist, especially in the past 25 years. No Democrat president today would implement anything like the "Great Society".

You think they are socialist because Republicans have moved so far right that their views are skewed. Socialists want to get rid of capitalism. Democrats/liberals just want to regulate it a bit.


PS, Derscon I am still waiting for your proof that the ACLU is out to eliminate Christianity.

Ah... yes, the 'homosexual' agenda.

That sick twisted ambition of people wanting to live with other people that they like.

HOW DARE THEY!!!

No, the part of the agenda that wants me to force people to accept their lifestyle as normal and acceptable. The part of their agenda that wants to teach school children their lifestyle is perfectly normal and acceptable.

If you want to have sex with someone of the same sex, I don't give a damn. Just don't try to get me to accept it.

And if we let homosexuals marry they will have babies and take over the world with their subversive lifestyle. HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE IS DANGEROUS!

I met a gay guy once. He had seven children from his life partner. All of them were suicide bombers. The killed my Patrick Mini too many times to count.*

*Seven is the standard number of times that is too many to count. This corelation may or may not have to do with the number of fingers I have on my left hand.

They killed me, too!

(erm.. I got better...)

No, the part of the agenda that wants me to force people to accept their lifestyle as normal and acceptable. The part of their agenda that wants to teach school children their lifestyle is perfectly normal and acceptable.

If you want to have sex with someone of the same sex, I don't give a damn. Just don't try to get me to accept it.

I don't want to have sex with someone of the same gender, but thanks all the same...

However, what about the evil 'Celtlund' agenda? The one that wants us to accept YOUR lifestyle as normal and acceptable?

Personally - I would rather teach tolerance than hatred, and love rather than prejudice.

But hey - this is america. You are guaranteed the freedom to your agenda... and so, it's only fair, everyone else should be free to pursue THEIR agenda too, right?

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!
Let me tell you something: it's obviously not only your DNA that's degrading. You are the world's worst human trash.
PS: get fucked.

No, the part of the agenda that wants me to force people to accept their lifestyle as normal and acceptable. The part of their agenda that wants to teach school children their lifestyle is perfectly normal and acceptable.
Who's forcing you to think that it's normal? They are merely trying to force you to stop interfering in their personal lives.

The bottom line is that homosexuals are being denied the right to marry each other. That's not a special right; it's a right that we heterosexuals enjoy. It's only fair that they have the same rights as straights.

You don't have to accept their lifestyle. You just have to tolerate their right to marry each other. I don't see what's so bad about that.

Your position is that of forcing other people to live by your religious belief system. It's not right.

Let me tell you something: it's obviously not only your DNA that's degrading. You are the world's worst human trash.
PS: get fucked.
Umm, I don't think an insult was quite justified there. It might be a good idea to be a bit slower with the flaming, there.

Just a thought, but I'm not a Mod, so feel free to ignore me.

*Seven is the standard number of times that is too many to count. This corelation may or may not have to do with the number of fingers I have on my left hand.
:confused:
But I have eleven fingers on your left hand!

And you know what? I'm proud of it!

I'm proud of my belief in God in this immoral satanist society.

I'm proud that I'm straight, that I have no degrating DNA in my blood.

I'm proud of my White, European heritage, and I will never go against my bloodline.

I'm proud that I am a male, and I refuse to succumb to the feminazis of NOW.

And I'm proud of the fact I am a Conservative on the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth! No one can strip me of my love of God, my love of the United States of America, who's beacon of hope has shined since its creation, offering the greatest potential to people the world has ever and will ever see! No one can take away my pride. No one can take away the hatred I have of the liberals who wish to destroy this nation, the ACLU and its crusade against Christianity, the NOW for its degrating of men and it's forcing upon the world its pro-death outlooks, or of the Homosexual Front, trying to push upon the world to force acceptance of homosexuality as normal. I will not tolerate it EVER! (Note: It's not homosexuals I don't tolerate, it's the radical ones who are trying to shove their views down our throats -- no pun intended)

I've seen many a thread praising the fact that they're gay, or they're muslim, or they're a gay muslim. You know what? Fine, but I'm proud of who I am, too!

God Bless President George Walker Bush! Deus Vult!

God Bless the United States of America! Deo Vindice!

you're a fucking moron. by the way your god is dead :)

you're a fucking moron.
You might care to lay off on the insults. The forum rules (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=381334) forbid flaming others. Be a bit more careful in the future.

*is not a Moderator*
by the way your god is dead :)
Ah, existentialist, I see?

you're a fucking moron. by the way your god is dead :)
Shut the hell up. You're making us look bad. What your doing is against forum rules.

If you prefer a free market and low taxes you must be a Republican. :)

Yes, much of the Democratic platform and much of what the Democrats have done in the past is Socialism. Some examples; The WPA, TVA, Social Security, Johnson's Great Society. I'm not saying all these ideas are bad, I'm saying they are Socialists. The Democratic Party is, and has become more, Socialist than it was just 50 years ago.


Right...laying aside the frankly sickening things the original post was made of I just want to clarify a couple of points.

As a revolutionary democratic socialist (the fact i have to put those three words together shows the broadness of the left movement and how common it is to be mis-understood - I am not a communist for example, before some nationalistic prat shouts me down as a stalinist) I am really very insulted that you would confuse the democratic agenda with a socialist one. Everything you name (and more) was brought about not through the generosity of a socialist Government but was fought for, bled for, died for and killed for by people who wanted to make their world a better place. The Democratic Party differ very little in real terms from the Republicans (as in England our New Labour and Conservative parties are now practically indistinguishable).

My own two pence worth is simply that, while I dislike liberals myself for various reasons I won't go into now, it is not they who are destroying your beloved country (or the world for that matter) it's the capitalist system which is fuelled by greed, sustained by lies and results in death, destruction, war, famine and intolerance.

I'll be glad to receive comments and rational arguments on the above topics.

Cheers,

Al

:rolleyes:

Ok, i think that people here should chill out a bit and maybe do an interesting thing: stop listening to the media (i mean, any media) for a while and try getting first hand experiences for most issues.
If you can spend some time traveling abroad this will help greatly the process.

A few "picks" (most would say facts) about the most hyped issues:

Homosexuality: No matter for what you think about it (i'm for live and let live) the whole controversy started for financial issues.
Recognizing the gau marriage would mean for the government giving the same tax benefits to gay couples as families.
Of course you will never hear the thing debated this way because both parties have little interest on settling the matter down and getting to a compromise (civil marriages without tax breaks?).
Socially speaking is just that most people believes in what they are educated to, take a look at ancient Greece and the like, you'll see how the environment we live in dictates our belief (the bible does an excellent picture of the thing by talking about sheeps ;))

Democrats and liberals: This is a shameful example of how the media distorts the language.
Only in the US liberal equals to a left-ish position.
The warped use we see today comes from it's classical use in opposition of conservatives.
Let me give you a bit of history of political evolution (as unbiased as it can be)...

Historically the liberals were groups that favoured a laissez faire economic policy ("pure" capitalism) with minimal goverment intervention meant as basic constitutional rights (european 19th century political view) and mostly unconcerned with the rest.

Historically conservatives were monarchy supporters, socially conservatives and unconcerned about government intervention on economy as long as the services needed for the national agenda were functional.

What is the problem?
The parties have mixed and evolved since then, and the arisal of labour organization and socialist parties changed the cards quite a bit.
Both liberal and conservatives were "pushed" on the right by the entrance of the new player and the church entered (again) in politics supporting the old system, which in turn started to collaps into a single party (pratically a fusion of the old ideals).

So, ironically, liberal is a term more on par with what the republican party is today than anything else (small government and conservative social policies).

Meanwhile, in the 1920-30s the more extreme forms of both left and right wings appeared.
They were communism (Marxism-Leninism, stalinism was a corrupted totalitarian aberration) for the left side and corporativism (the final stage of fascism, resulting in a system where private corporations had total control of the society, including labour organizations) for the right wing.

After the great depression and WWII the modern politics started to look like they are today.
In western Europe prevailed a compromise between both ideologies, something that can be called Socialdemocracy.
What is socialdemocracy?
In short it's a political ideal where the government promotes a regulated form of capitalism (with minimum wage/maximum working hours laws and the like) and manages the vital services (Healthcare, Education, Retirement. In many countries it included energy, transports and some other basic industrial activities) in a mild form of Socialism.
This whole system was created after the large unrests created by the less regulated forms of capitalism which caused tremendous social disequalities (and that's why the Europeans, while privatizing many services themselves, are not too keen on the republican massive market deregulation, which you can also be seen referred as liberism).

So, where can we put the Democrats in this political system?
While i'm not an US politics expert i'll try to define it by their apparent attributes (feel free to correct me there):

1) Economically they are strong supporters of free market economy with a variable but usually light degree of regulation (which would be classified as mildly right in Europe)

2) Socially, differently from the classical liberals which were unconcerned they are active supporters of freedom of choiche whenever is possible, and so more in line with riformism.

All in all i think outside US the Dems would be more or less a centrist party.


About the church positions:
The last century has been all about change, so it's natural that there is conflict about social reforms.
Rather than post any specific position other than live and let live i'll just say a friendly reminder:

Until a few generations ago left handed people was seen with scorn and often forced into the use of the "right" hand with a whole set of issues.
The left was "the hand of the devil" in church's opinion so "measures" had to be taken to "correct" the problem (actually my grandma still looks me not too kindly when i write using the "wrong" hand ;)) :rolleyes:

As for most issues today's debates will drop, even just for the sake of peaceful living, so don't eat your liver on that, you surely have plenty of better things to do in life than debate...
If there is an afterlife and you did well you won't have to worry regardless of anyone's else behaviour, so be happy of this and carry on your own way :)

I hope that reading all this stuff helps some of you in getting a clearer view of the things, at least i wouldn't have wasted some good sleep :p

Ugh. Again with the feminazis.

I would consider myself a feminist, and I have NO desire to put women above men. WTF Derscon, are you that insecure? You can't stand the fact that there are strong, assertive women out there?

Believe me, I know feminism, and I know feminists and all they/we are after is equality and humanity for women. There may be a couple of extremists, but they are so few as to be irrelevant.

I have some quotes here.

"Emancipation should make it possible for woman to be human in the truest sense. Everything within her that craves assertion and activity should reach its fullest expression; all artificial barriers should be broken, and the road towards greater freedom cleared of every trace of centuries of submission and slavery." (Emma Goldman)

Now what exactly is the problem with that?

When you consider that women make up the majority of the world's poor and are usually the first to be exploited in situations of displacement or war. Even working and social conditions in the countries of the North is not ideal. There is still a long way to go.

Edit: And on liberals vs radicals, look them up in a dictionary, preferably not an american one. Liberals are at the best reformist and at the worst conservative. Radicals are copletely different.

They killed me, too!

(erm.. I got better...)
They turned me into a newt! But I got better too :D

Isn't it a shame that so many American fascists spell just about as well as Dubya? Their grammar isn't so hot either....
Some examples!
"degrating"
"feminazis" - what this word means I'm not sure...
"who's" - oh dear, was someone not paying attention in what you Americans pass for "English grammar"?
"shined" - it's shone, honey.

All disrespect to your fascist, unaccepting and racist views.
It's pretty sad when all you can do is make fun of his spelling! ;)

I'm a Homosexual, Atheist White Female Liberal Canadian!

I'm a Homosexual, Atheist White Female Liberal Canadian!

*Applause* As a heterosexual, Christian, white female liberal Canadian I salute you. In our country, everyone is free to be themselves - or at least we're working on it.

Yay, Canada! I don't know about America being a "beacon of hope" since it was founded - but then again, in my mind hope = free health care. :p

*Applause* As a heterosexual, Christian, white female liberal Canadian I salute you. In our country, everyone is free to be themselves - or at least we're working on it.

Yay, Canada! I don't know about America being a "beacon of hope" since it was founded - but then again, in my mind hope = free health care. :p
Canada is flawless!