NationStates Jolt Archive

What is so special about your country? It is no different to any other community and yet people manage to get so worked up about it. Many people seem to think that they are more alike all of the people in their country than any foreigners. There are many people living in other countries that are far more similar to you than many people in your own country. Why can't people be patriotic about their continent, or about the whole world? Does everyone really need to hate someone else to define who they are themselves?

You don't have to "hate" another country to be Patriotic. I don't hate other countries and I'm extremely patriotic. I just happen to believe that the U.S. is the greatest place to live.

You don't have to "hate" another country to be Patriotic. I don't hate other countries and I'm extremely patriotic. I just happen to believe that the U.S. is the greatest place to live.

yes and i'm sure it is....


I wouldn't say i'm patriotic but i think that englands a great place to live (not the best but good)

You don't have to "hate" another country to be Patriotic. I don't hate other countries and I'm extremely patriotic. I just happen to believe that the U.S. is the greatest place to live.

Ok, that doesn't mean you hate other countries but it does mean you are putting them down. You are saying your country is superior to theirs.

An immature patriot will believe his/her country is the greatest country in the world and thinks there are seveal reasons for it being so. These reasons when analysised will be unquantifiable and largely rehotoric based

A mature patriot will believe that their country is one of the greatest countries in the world (although will not claim to be the greatest) and will have several sensable thought out reasons as to why.

You don't have to "hate" another country to be Patriotic. I don't hate other countries and I'm extremely patriotic. I just happen to believe that the U.S. is the greatest place to live.

do you believe you definitely would still believe that if you'd been born somewhere else?

........or is it just a result of major brainwashing from your government?

Ok, that doesn't mean you hate other countries but it does mean you are putting them down. You are saying your country is superior to theirs.

Or it could be like saying that angels are good, and God is better. Do the angels become less because they are not as good as God? I don't think so, personally. It seems to me that it is only our perceptions of the entities that change because we compare the two.

An immature patriot will believe his/her country is the greatest country in the world and thinks there are seveal reasons for it being so. These reasons when analysised will be unquantifiable and largely rehotoric based

A mature patriot will believe that their country is one of the greatest countries in the world (although will not claim to be the greatest) and will have several sensable thought out reasons as to why.

But that doesn't answer my question of why their country? Why are so many people far more patriotic about their country than their town, or their continent? And why do they say that their country must remain independant from all others? Unification has been going on for thousands of years, and the country is just the size of community we happen to be at at the moment. There is nothing 'great' about it.

I'm a patriot. Why? Because my country has the biggest economy of any single country, many talented people, a strong military, a constitution that protects people's rights very well (although I'd like to see an ammendment banning the death penalty), has made great progress in ensuring equality for all, Takes an active leadership role in world issues (although not everything we've done has been right), and is loyal to it's allies. Plus I love the culture and many subcultures to be found here in the USA.

........or is it just a result of major brainwashing from your government?

There give is us no money brainwashing.

Or it could be like saying that angels are good, and God is better. Do the angels become less because they are not as good as God? I don't think so, personally. It seems to me that it is only our perceptions of the entities that change because we compare the two.

Well, actually, now you mention it... I have always thought that the Christian thing about God and angels and stuff is far too dictator like, and not democratic enough. If I believed in it, I would be trying to change that too.

Santa Barbara gives Texan Hotrodders money.

I'm a patriot. Why? Because my country has the biggest economy of any single country, many talented people, a strong military, a constitution that protects people's rights very well (although I'd like to see an ammendment banning the death penalty), has made great progress in ensuring equality for all, Takes an active leadership role in world issues (although not everything we've done has been right), and is loyal to it's allies. Plus I love the culture and many subcultures to be found here in the USA.

Do you feel more loyalty to your country than your species?

Ok, that doesn't mean you hate other countries but it does mean you are putting them down. You are saying your country is superior to theirs.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that I'd rather live in the U.S. There ARE other great places to live, but I would much rather live here. What is so wrong with loving your country, may I ask?

Ok, that doesn't mean you hate other countries but it does mean you are putting them down. You are saying your country is superior to theirs.
You know, some countries really are inferior by many standards. For instance, Afghanistan under the taliban and Sudan both failed to ensure basic human rights for all their citizens, Swaziland has poverty and more HIV than anyplace else on earth, and Russia is backsliding into totalitarianism.

i just want to point out patriots are just people that put their country first, they don't have to not like other countrys.

Russia is backsliding into totalitarianism.


What makes you think that?

Do you feel more loyalty to your country than your species?
Any threat to my species is also a threat to my country. All Americans are Homo sapiens.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that I'd rather live in the U.S. There ARE other great places to live, but I would much rather live here. What is so wrong with loving your country, may I ask?

It's something that isn't wrong at first but can very easily become dangerous. When it leads to hatred or just distrust of other countries and a distrust of unification.

Well, actually, now you mention it... I have always thought that the Christian thing about God and angels and stuff is far too dictator like, and not democratic enough. If I believed in it, I would be trying to change that too.

It was an analogy, and your discussion in regards to a democratic model as it relates to the heirarchy believed in by Christians is rather irrelevant to the actual point. Maybe you could start another thread in which we can talk about how the Christian God-concept is too authoritarian for your tastes.

Any threat to my species is also a threat to my country. All Americans are Homo sapiens.

Does that mean other countrys arn't

What makes you think that?
Putin's control of the media, his seizing of assets from private companies, and the fact that some of his political opponents suddenly find themselves convicted and imprisoned (on charges totally unrelated to their political stance, of course :rolleyes: )

Any threat to my species is also a threat to my country. All Americans are Homo sapiens.

Oh, that's really asking for a snide comment about Bush but I won't.

I meant why can't we try and do things for the good of our species rather than our country?

I'm a patriot. Why? Because my country has the biggest economy of any single country.

Define "Bigest" and I think the US being in recession, the UK has the up on you there


many talented people, a strong military, a constitution that protects people's rights very well (although I'd like to see an ammendment banning the death penalty), has made great progress in ensuring equality for all, Takes an active leadership role in world issues (although not everything we've done has been right), and is loyal to it's allies.


I think that all those things can be said equally of the UK, although the constitiution is unwritten and there is no death penalty


Plus I love the culture and many subcultures to be found here in the USA.

No accounting for personal preferance in that regard (not an insult, just an observation)

Putin's control of the media, his seizing of assets from private companies, and the fact that some of his political opponents suddenly find themselves convicted and imprisoned (on charges totally unrelated to their political stance, of course :rolleyes: )


thats a dictator ship

Does that mean other countrys arn't
No, only that there is no conflict between loyalty to my species and my country.

It's something that isn't wrong at first but can very easily become dangerous. When it leads to hatred or just distrust of other countries and a distrust of unification.

What the heck is "distrust of unification"? Is sovereignty now evil or something? if so I missed the memo.

Well, actually, now you mention it... I have always thought that the Christian thing about God and angels and stuff is far too dictator like, and not democratic enough. If I believed in it, I would be trying to change that too.

Then obviously you know nothing about God...yes, he is the creator of the universe and everything, but it's not like a dictator AT ALL. He's not enslaving the world, opressing them, or anything a dictator would do. God wants to have a personal relationship with you, he's a loving master. If you don't, then you don't.

thats a dictator ship
Ok, fine.

Any threat to my species is also a threat to my country. All Americans are Homo sapiens.

But not all homo sapians are American (good job too, wouldnt it be boring)

Define "Bigest" and I think the US being in recession, the UK has the up on you there



Actualy sweeden is, the guy that owns ikea is now the richest in the world due to the drop in the doller.

Oh, that's really asking for a snide comment about Bush but I won't.

I meant why can't we try and do things for the good of our species rather than our country?
We can do good things for both.

It was an analogy, and your discussion in regards to a democratic model as it relates to the heirarchy believed in by Christians is rather irrelevant to the actual point. Maybe you could start another thread in which we can talk about how the Christian God-concept is too authoritarian for your tastes.

Sorry, you're right, I shouldn't have said it here.

Ok, fine.

also thats the kind of neg part of comunism so it happens any way

Why do I love my country? Be cause I honestly believe it is the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth. It was founded and still is a beacon of hope prosperity in the world. Unfortunately, the liberals are trying to remove this beacon by forcing "equality" on us, which is bullcrap.

More later -- I have dinner to attend to. :)

I don't think America is "better" nor any other country for that matter, except when speaking about economic terms because they're more concrete. I believe nationalism can be dangerous and often idiotic. I try to live by a quote by Voltaire, " I am free of all prejudices, I hate everyone equally."

Define "Bigest" and I think the US being in recession, the UK has the up on you there

The U.S. came out of recession quite a while back. The economy is slwoly regaining steam.

The U.S. came out of recession quite a while back. The economy is slwoly regaining steam.


Not if you look at the power of the dollar compeared to the pound

What the heck is "distrust of unification"? Is sovereignty now evil or something? if so I missed the memo.

Unification is inevitable and desirable. Do you live in the UK? My comments were mainly based on my observations of British people's attitudes towards Europe which I think are highly dangerous.

Define "Bigest" and I think the US being in recession, the UK has the up on you there



I think that all those things can be said equally of the UK, although the constitiution is unwritten and there is no death penalty



No accounting for personal preferance in that regard (not an insult, just an observation)
1 Biggest = biggest GDP
2 Yes, you have a great system of government too. I didn't say the US has a monopoly on good government, only that ours is high-quality.

Then obviously you know nothing about God...yes, he is the creator of the universe and everything, but it's not like a dictator AT ALL. He's not enslaving the world, opressing them, or anything a dictator would do. God wants to have a personal relationship with you, he's a loving master. If you don't, then you don't.

I've said I won't discuss it on this thread because someone had a go at me for that, although at some point I should start a thread about it and we can discuss it then.

Why do I love my country? Be cause I honestly believe it is the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth. It was founded and still is a beacon of hope prosperity in the world. Unfortunately, the liberals are trying to remove this beacon by forcing "equality" on us, which is bullcrap.

More later -- I have dinner to attend to. :)
As abolishing slavery and granting civil rights were forcing equality? I do disagree with liberals on somethings but now you're just playing politics.

I'm going now so just to finish off with going back to the issue:

Patriotism was originaly a way of recruiting people in to the army. Also to encorage people to fightin battles

Isn't it $1.30 or so for one Euro?

Why do I love my country? Be cause I honestly believe it is the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth. It was founded and still is a beacon of hope prosperity in the world. Unfortunately, the liberals are trying to remove this beacon by forcing "equality" on us, which is bullcrap.

More later -- I have dinner to attend to. :)

Equality is bullcrap? When you come back from your dinner I would like to take you up on that one.

Isn't it $1.30 or so for one Euro?
I think so. What's your point?

I'm going now so just to finish off with going back to the issue:

Patriotism was originaly a way of recruiting people in to the army. Also to encorage people to fightin battles
Both of those things are important.

I read something about the exchange rate a few post back.

Both of those things are important.

Not in a peaceful world.

Not in a peaceful world.
No such thing. People fight. It's in our nature. Nations are made up of people, and therefore have the whole spectrum of human virtues and vices.

I am extremely patriotic. This is my home and I would fight for it any day against any nation and/or person that does it or my people harm.
If we ever go to war you would probably see me first in line to join up.
It's the nation, history, people and the land I love. I now what dreams my forefathers had for this land and it's people when they came here and it is my obligation and honor to keep that dream alive and pass it on to my children in the future.
We live in a new world but it is the old world what made it and if we forget that then there will be no more tomorrow just the fall of what we once had.

Why do I love my country? Be cause I honestly believe it is the Greatest Nation on God's Green Earth. It was founded and still is a beacon of hope prosperity in the world. Unfortunately, the liberals are trying to remove this beacon by forcing "equality" on us, which is bullcrap.

More later -- I have dinner to attend to. :)

what's your problem with equality? who do you think should be more important than others, and why? I'm curious, because to me it seems incomprehensible to beleive equality is 'bullcrap'.........is it not better for everybody to have equal chances, opportunities and generally equal everything than for soem to be considered of more highly than others

also, I'd like to point out, as a side point, that equality in society barely exists anywhere in the world, there is nowhere I can think of at least that is entirely free from certain prejudices

I am extremely patriotic. This is my home and I would fight for it any day against any nation and/or person that does it or my people harm.
If we ever go to war you would probably see me first in line to join up.
It's the nation, history, people and the land I love. I now what dreams my forefathers had for this land and it's people when they came here and it is my obligation and honor to keep that dream alive and pass it on to my children in the future.
We live in a new world but it is the old world what made it and if we forget that then there will be no more tomorrow just the fall of what we once had.

do you love it more than all other countries?

I am extremely patriotic. This is my home and I would fight for it any day against any nation and/or person that does it or my people harm.
If we ever go to war you would probably see me first in line to join up.


What if you're country was fighting a war of agression?

A question for nationalists and patriots, would you love your country or support it if you knew it was doing something inhumane or threatening to other nations?

do you love it more than all other countries?
Yes.

No such thing. People fight. It's in our nature. Nations are made up of people, and therefore have the whole spectrum of human virtues and vices.

But humans can improve themselves and reduce their virtures and vices. There are no wars within countries, so if the whole world could be peacefully unified it would put an end to war yes?

What if you're country was fighting a war of agression?

It's my home. Why do you think most Germans fought so well for their home Germany? It was not for Hitler the Reich or the Nazi's, they were patriots and fought for their home, land and people against it's enemys. I would do the sam thing.

It's my home. Why do you think most Germans fought so well for their home Germany? It was not for Hitler the Reich or the Nazi's, they were patriots and fought for their home, land and people against it's enemys. I would do the sam thing.

WHY? Why can't you fight for peace? Why can't you place the good of humanity above the good of your country?

It's my home. Why do you think most Germans fought so well for their home Germany? It was not for Hitler the Reich or the Nazi's, they were patriots and fought for their home, land and people against it's enemys. I would do the sam thing.
They started the bloody war. So you would kill millions, put them in camps, and such all for your country?

Nationalism has consistantly held back the Anarchist Revolution. There is no reason to be proud of a fake establishment such as a nation. People, however, often get their pride of origin (I am very proud of where I come from.) confused with nationalism. Anarchists of the world unite!

A question for nationalists and patriots, would you love your country or support it if you knew it was doing something inhumane or threatening to other nations?
I wouldn't support the inhumane or needlessly threatening action, but I would still love my country. To change that the nation would have to screw up pretty badly.

WHY? Why can't you fight for peace? Why can't you place the good of humanity above the good of your country?
The good of my country and people is what comes first. Why must you question this?

But humans can improve themselves and reduce their virtures and vices. There are no wars within countries, so if the whole world could be peacefully unified it would put an end to war yes?
How do you get them all to peacefully unite? Some people think peacefull unity will only come when everyone either accepts their version of islam, or submits to being a dhimmi living under sharia. I don't want peace if it means that. I prefer war to that.

Nationalism has consistantly held back the Anarchist Revolution. There is no reason to be proud of a fake establishment such as a nation. People, however, often get their pride of origin (I am very proud of where I come from.) confused with nationalism. Anarchists of the world unite!
Nations aren't artificial constructs. Humans evolved to be gregarious. They lived in small bands and tribes. Nations are tribes taken to a bigger and better level.

A question for nationalists and patriots, would you love your country or support it if you knew it was doing something inhumane or threatening to other nations?
Yes, but would I agree with the decsions of my nations leaders? NO. I am a patriot, but my patriotism is based on the values and ideals of my nation, values and ideals that have never been fully realized, and which some leaders of my nation claim to hold but may or not as their actions may or may not be based on trying to promote those values and ideals. I know for a fact, that some in leadership have an agenda to do things that are against those values, and willl lead to taking steps away from the possibe attaining of those values and ideals.

Unification is inevitable and desirable. Do you live in the UK? My comments were mainly based on my observations of British people's attitudes towards Europe which I think are highly dangerous.

Unification is not inevitable. In fact, while there are some global trends towards unification (EU), there are also equally powerful trends towards smaller, more local-authority and micro-states.

Nor is it desirable in most cases.

And no, I'm not British. I'm American. But good for them for opposing further consolidation in the EU.

They started the bloody war. So you would kill millions, put them in camps, and such all for your country?
Ah, the argument of the ignorent.
Like I said I would fight for my nation, people and land, just like the normal soldier in Germany did, and defend it from the invasion of it's enemy/s no matter the cause. I would not want to be part of killing millions etc.
If we were to have a hard government like Germany did then my idea would be to first fight the enemy and then try to annex the country from the inside and form another government that would not do such things.

As abolishing slavery and granting civil rights were forcing equality? I do disagree with liberals on somethings but now you're just playing politics.

You Abolished Slavery? Good for you.

But humans can improve themselves and reduce their virtures and vices. There are no wars within countries, so if the whole world could be peacefully unified it would put an end to war yes?

Have you ever heard of a civil war? Y'know, wars within countries? If you somehow forced unification on the whole world, international wars would just become civil wars, mostly likely against a tyrannical despot that would be an inevitability in such a system.

Equality is bullcrap? When you come back from your dinner I would like to take you up on that one.

I have a short time, unfortunately, as I had some errands to run and my computer was hogged up by someone else.

And yes, the current American liberal term of "equality" is bullshit.

You see, their goal is not equality, but complete government control over your lives by forcing you to live off off the government -- forced dependancy. They are socialists in a very bad way. They try to punish the achievers and successful, spewing propoganda saying that all rich people are evil and greedy, etc, etc, which is bullshit. They got to where they are because they worked hard.

The liberals in government know that no matter what they do, they must ensure that whatever they do they CANNOT solve the problems that are existing. If they do, people will realize that they don't need the government -- that relying on the government gets you nowhere -- and the Democratic party (liberals) loses its support base.

Unfortunately, it's late, and I can't think fully, so I won't be able to carry an intelligent conversation for much longer. :D Catch me tomorrow, and we can continue, eh?

And for the good of England, don't join the goddamned European Nation.

Fuck The USA!!! You think your country can tell other countries how to live? Your empire is going down, prepare for the III world war, let`s see if you can kill the whole world, fucking nazis. PD: China, and Northern Korea have great armies too! Bastards

Personally, I think pretty much all countries have their great points, and poor points.

Me, I love my country. I love the views that built it... I however am having serious problems with our officials, and the "leader" of it. Absolutely love the US, would fight to the death if we ever were really invaded to defend it- but wish the elections had gone differently.

I won't say it's the best country in the world, we definitely have our issues that need to be worked out!!! However- it is the best one for me.

Well, at least he can't run again.

A question for nationalists and patriots, would you love your country or support it if you knew it was doing something inhumane or threatening to other nations?

I'd love my country and protest my government/try to raise awareness to be able to get some sort of changes made. There's a difference between loving your country and blindly following the government.

patriotism does not equal arrogance......saying hat it does only shows that you have insecurities. I believe that for me, i can't think of anywhere better to be. Doesn't make me arrogant..

I love my country, not because it's a special piece of dirt, but because the system we currently have allows for more opportunity to succeed then any other currently in existence. If the system in my country becomes less wonderful and another country's system becomes better, I'll bail and go to the country with the better system.

There give is us no money brainwashing.
You speaky goodly engrish.

Define "Bigest" and I think the US being in recession, the UK has the up on you there

The recession has been over since 2001. Ever since, GDP has been experiencing positive growth. We are in recovery and have almost completley recovered and are close (if not already) beginning to move back into expansion.

thats a dictator ship
Which is a form of totalitarianism.

Actualy sweeden is, the guy that owns ikea is now the richest in the world due to the drop in the doller.
Sweden has the largest economy in the world because of ONE rich guy? You can't be serious. Sweden is FAR from having the world's largest economy. Truth be told, neither does America, that honor belongs to Japan with America in a close second.

Not if you look at the power of the dollar compeared to the pound
Currency comparisson has nothing to do with whether an economy is in a period of growth, recovery or recession. America has had almost no inflation since 2001 (about 1% as compared with our average 4.5%) while Europe has had a great deal. Thus, the Euro has been gaining value in comparisson to the Dollar.

Nations aren't artificial constructs. Humans evolved to be gregarious. They lived in small bands and tribes. Nations are tribes taken to a bigger and better level.
And one of the traits of a tribal mentality is xenophobia, the fear and hatred of those not in your group. This comes from the day when resources were scarce and securing those resources meant survival. That is no longer the case, but those things are VERY deeply engrained into us. I believe we can purposefully rationalize passed it, but that takes lots of time, education and inner reflection.

Somehow this dragged my mind to that night at the Republican Convention when thousands of onlookers were chanting "U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!" every time Bush stopped talking.

For a moment it sounded like they were chanting "Sieg Heil!" Only for a moment though...

Ah, the argument of the ignorent.
Like I said I would fight for my nation, people and land, just like the normal soldier in Germany did, and defend it from the invasion of it's enemy/s no matter the cause. I would not want to be part of killing millions etc.
If we were to have a hard government like Germany did then my idea would be to first fight the enemy and then try to annex the country from the inside and form another government that would not do such things.
Germany wasn't defending anything until the last year of WW2. Until then, they waged a strictly offensive war. Attacking Austria, Poland, France, Russia and England were not defensive acts. Rouding up jews, gypsies, homosexuals and jehovah's witnesses was not a defensive act, it was an act of revenge and "ethnic cleansing" (euphamism for genocide).

how can i invade others

Fuck The USA!!! You think your country can tell other countries how to live? Your empire is going down, prepare for the III world war, let`s see if you can kill the whole world, fucking nazis. PD: China, and Northern Korea have great armies too! Bastards
You're condemning me, my country and my countrymen because we have an asshole for a leader right now (whom I did not vote for and do not support)? Thanks a bunch. :mad:

But that doesn't answer my question of why their country? Why are so many people far more patriotic about their country than their town, or their continent? And why do they say that their country must remain independant from all others? Unification has been going on for thousands of years, and the country is just the size of community we happen to be at at the moment. There is nothing 'great' about it.

People are patriotic for their country because we live in an era of nation-states. That is the group category we identify with. Think of it this way, people are organized into groups, starting from the smallest to the largest:
Individual
Family
Kin
Neighborhood
City
Region

Ancient Greece is a good example of an era of city-states. People were patriotic of their city. They all spoke the same language, but each city was different and independent. Much later, after the medieval period, people were patriotic in their countries. That is a collection of various ethnic groups. With the coming of the 20th century this patriotism began to move towards a nation-state as countries were becoming established with only one major ethnic group.

I hope that came out allright and not a bunch of incomprehensible babbling. Damn that flu...

What is so special about your country? It is no different to any other community and yet people manage to get so worked up about it. Many people seem to think that they are more alike all of the people in their country than any foreigners. There are many people living in other countries that are far more similar to you than many people in your own country. Why can't people be patriotic about their continent, or about the whole world? Does everyone really need to hate someone else to define who they are themselves?

No one is writing patriotic songs about any given continent, and the handful of people who write songs about how happy they are to live on Earth get laughed at by people who aren't hippies.

People have been honing the fine art of getting people to pledge their lives for an irrelevant political entity ever since the dawn of civilization. They say that the first emperor of a unified China over 2000 years ago fought one battle specifically because he wanted to claim the territory in which lived the songwriter he wished to commission to write a national anthem.

People have a natural instinct to fight for the sake of their families. There are still some hunter/gatherer societies where if two strangers meet they will first engage in a lengthy discussion of their family trees in the hopes that they will turn out to be distant cousins. That way they won't have to kill each other.

The function of a state or an organized religion is to take that instinct for family loyalty and redirect it to state and church loyalty, the same way that we take a dogs instinct for accepting a role in a pack hierarchy and redirecting it to make them accept a role imposed by a human.

In other words unthinkingly patriotic people have been domesticated, like an abused dog who will still fight to protect his lousy master.

People are patriotic for their country because we live in an era of nation-states. That is the group category we identify with. Think of it this way, people are organized into groups, starting from the smallest to the largest:
Individual
Family
Kin
Neighborhood
City
Region

Ancient Greece is a good example of an era of city-states. People were patriotic of their city. They all spoke the same language, but each city was different and independent. Much later, after the medieval period, people were patriotic in their countries. That is a collection of various ethnic groups. With the coming of the 20th century this patriotism began to move towards a nation-state as countries were becoming established with only one major ethnic group.

I hope that came out allright and not a bunch of incomprehensible babbling. Damn that flu...

but don't you think it's narrow-minded to believe that your country is greater than others, before spending any real amount of time in any others?

but don't you think it's narrow-minded to believe that your country is greater than others, before spending any real amount of time in any others?

No.

What is so special about your country? It is no different to any other community and yet people manage to get so worked up about it. Many people seem to think that they are more alike all of the people in their country than any foreigners. There are many people living in other countries that are far more similar to you than many people in your own country. Why can't people be patriotic about their continent, or about the whole world? Does everyone really need to hate someone else to define who they are themselves?

Out group biases tend to be less important to personal identity than in group ones. Most people like to have a sense of belonging and Patriotism/Nationalism are frequently a part of that. It is possible to be a patriot without hating other countries.

Fuck The USA!!! You think your country can tell other countries how to live? Your empire is going down, prepare for the III world war, let`s see if you can kill the whole world, fucking nazis. PD: China, and Northern Korea have great armies too! Bastards


this is what happens when things get out of hand

what's your problem with equality? who do you think should be more important than others, and why? I'm curious, because to me it seems incomprehensible to beleive equality is 'bullcrap'.........is it not better for everybody to have equal chances, opportunities and generally equal everything than for soem to be considered of more highly than others

also, I'd like to point out, as a side point, that equality in society barely exists anywhere in the world, there is nowhere I can think of at least that is entirely free from certain prejudices

There's a reason I put equality in quotes.

You see, the Constitution guarentees equality of oppertunity -- NOT outcomes, as the liberals would like you to believe. You see, in the liberals' quest for equality, they have forced government dependency on people, and punished the achievers -- the rich. That is a BAD THING TO DO.

You see, we need the rich -- we need to stop punishing success. The rich create jobs, but to do that they have to risk capital, and if you do, you will probably gain success. If you punish the achievers and the successful, there is no incentive to invest capital, hence no jobs are created. If people rely on the government, there is no incentive to rise above their current state. The liberals get their votes dealing with economics because they have convinced people to rely on the government -- and that's bad for the little guy.

People need to realize that they CAN overcome on their own -- the government will only hinder you. It's called personal responsibility and self-reliance.

People need to realize that they CAN overcome on their own -- the government will only hinder you. It's called personal responsibility and self-reliance.
Not all the time.

There's a reason I put equality in quotes.

You see, the Constitution guarentees equality of oppertunity -- NOT outcomes, as the liberals would like you to believe. You see, in the liberals' quest for equality, they have forced government dependency on people, and punished the achievers -- the rich. That is a BAD THING TO DO.

You see, we need the rich -- we need to stop punishing success. The rich create jobs, but to do that they have to risk capital, and if you do, you will probably gain success. If you punish the achievers and the successful, there is no incentive to invest capital, hence no jobs are created. If people rely on the government, there is no incentive to rise above their current state. The liberals get their votes dealing with economics because they have convinced people to rely on the government -- and that's bad for the little guy.

People need to realize that they CAN overcome on their own -- the government will only hinder you. It's called personal responsibility and self-reliance.

yes I agree, sorry - I didn't realise the quote marks meant anything

yes I agree, sorry - I didn't realise the quote marks meant anything

No problem.

And Kervoskia, all capable people can overcome their difficulties if they put their heart, mind, and spirit to it. Those literally incapable do need government help, but not welfare-wise. Those mentally insane need to be institutionalized (I shouldn't say this, though, as many liberals believe I am insane for being a conservative :D, but what the hell), and those who are physically handicapped need to get jobs that they can do. Like I said -- education of the oppertunities in life. Many people just don't know what the US has to offer -- many more don't know that the radical (note: RADICAL) liberals in congress are trying to take it away.

Fuck The USA!!! You think your country can tell other countries how to live? Your empire is going down, prepare for the III world war, let`s see if you can kill the whole world, fucking nazis. PD: China, and Northern Korea have great armies too! Bastards
The USA will be here long after you're dead and buried. N. Korea? Pussies. China? May become a superpower someday, but not now. You? Probably a closet pedophile.

but don't you think it's narrow-minded to believe that your country is greater than others, before spending any real amount of time in any others?
By many measures my country is better than many others. We have freedom of religion, which many countries like China and Saudi Arabia don't have. We have a stronger economy than most. We have the strongest military of all. We have a more diverse culture than most. It's a great nation to live in. I love the USA.

By many measures my country is better than many others. We have freedom of religion, which many countries like China and Saudi Arabia don't have. We have a stronger economy than most. We have the strongest military of all. We have a more diverse culture than most. It's a great nation to live in. I love the USA.

but it's all a matter of opinion: I like green eyes, you may like blue....same applies for global politics....also, many countries have the same freedoms, etc........why aren't they as good? the USA has the most gun crime in the world, that's good is it?

Why do I love my country? Because it might not be much, but it's mine. And that makes all the difference.

Why do I love my country? Difficult question.
I love what my country is now... to small corner shops, kebab takeaways, fish'n'chips and the delightful smell from the pubs, chinese restaraunts and curry houses as I stroll home. It's everyone speaking English (except glaswegians) and policemen outside Parliament pointing out that my shoelace is undone and telling me to "mind how you go". Its the statues on the Embankment and small country churches. It's the snow on Snowdon and the coastline of Scotland. It's the thousand years or so of history that beats up from the soil into your feet. It's the Imperial War museum and the Welsh valleys. It's the way all of this man made or naturally forged beauty shapes the people.

I love what my country was... the myths, the legends, the bardic song, the myriad tiny superstitions that ripple in the air in the tiniest village or largest city. It's the medieval castles, the victorian banks, the stone circles. Hell, it's the throne of Britain, forged in blood and steel and a living monument to what we were and have the potential to be again.

And then theres the future, I guess, and love for what might be... Theres the hope that one day people don't take all this for granted. That we'll remember who we are; that we stand on the soil of a country, are served by a work of a state and are all of us the people of one nation.

If my life is the price that all of this survives, or at the very least is remembered for all the ages in it's resplendent glory, then I pay it gladly.

By many measures my country is better than many others. We have freedom of religion, which many countries like China and Saudi Arabia don't have. We have a stronger economy than most. We have the strongest military of all. We have a more diverse culture than most. It's a great nation to live in. I love the USA.
Diverse culture? Can we please refrain from using the Dictionary for Liberal Propagandists?
"Diverse culture" is a ridiculous oxy moron. Diversity is the anti-culture. The more a culture is exposed to others, the more watered-down it becomes. The only way for a culture to remain strong is to protect itself from others. True American culture is disappearing because of the push for multi-culturalism....which is another word straight out of the Dictionary for Liberal Propagandists. There cannot be more than one culture within a defined area, it is theoretically and (as we've seen) physically impossible. For instance, a few years back, an Arab man was fired from the NYPD because he refused to wear the standard-issue cap. Instead he wanted to wear his turban. Now this is where the tricky part comes in. In any decent society, we would acknowledge our irreconcilable cultural differences and move on. However, the Arab dragged the NYPD through the courts and eventually convinced a weak-minded judge that his freedoms were being oppressed. Really, what the case came down to, was a my culture vs your culture battle. Given that American culture is host to the Arab man, should he not obey our culture? Allowing the man to wear a turban while on duty as an officer of the NYPD is in direct violation of our culture. It starts with small things, but it will snowball. First its a turban-wearing NYPD officer, then the next thing you know they'll be allowed to stone people to death. Our culture is being replaced with a mix of foreign cultures, which is not what any decent American wants.

It is important to recognize the difference between internal and external cultural struggles. For example, the gay marriage debate is internal. It has been somewhat of an enigma for centuries and now it is coming to a head. Things like the NYPD officer are culture vs culture struggles, and dont need to exist. We shouldnt have sacrifice our culture, and the Arab man shouldnt have to sacrifice his. The cultural struggles and racism problems are caused by forcing "multi-culturalism" upon people. No one is happy with it. Black groups in Toronto, Canada are lobbying to get Black only schools. Thats right, they actually want segregation. All this struggle could be avoided if all nations could adopt foreign policies of isolationism. Racism, whether it be against blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, etc. will only end when the races separate. Think about all the energy and hate and money our society spends trying to resolve the racial and cultural issues. If we were free from all that, every nation could focus on building and maintaining the beauty of their own culture.

No ones culture is better than others, they are all different. Just like individuals, cultures have their strengths and weaknesses. And despite what the ADL or other special interest groups may tell you, having pride in one's culture does not mean they believe in the superiority of their culture.

So be proud of your culture and stand up for it.......no, more than that....you must defend it.

but it's all a matter of opinion: I like green eyes, you may like blue....same applies for global politics....also, many countries have the same freedoms, etc........why aren't they as good? the USA has the most gun crime in the world, that's good is it?
I'm not saying there aren't other great countries out there. Just that there are plenty of nations with less freedom, more poverty, a less influential culture, and weak armed forces. BTW, I don't mind the gun crime.

Diverse culture? Can we please refrain from using the Dictionary for Liberal Propagandists?
"Diverse culture" is a ridiculous oxy moron. Diversity is the anti-culture. The more a culture is exposed to others, the more watered-down it becomes. The only way for a culture to remain strong is to protect itself from others. True American culture is disappearing because of the push for multi-culturalism....which is another word straight out of the Dictionary for Liberal Propagandists. There cannot be more than one culture within a defined area, it is theoretically and (as we've seen) physically impossible. For instance, a few years back, an Arab man was fired from the NYPD because he refused to wear the standard-issue cap. Instead he wanted to wear his turban. Now this is where the tricky part comes in. In any decent society, we would acknowledge our irreconcilable cultural differences and move on. However, the Arab dragged the NYPD through the courts and eventually convinced a weak-minded judge that his freedoms were being oppressed. Really, what the case came down to, was a my culture vs your culture battle. Given that American culture is host to the Arab man, should he not obey our culture? Allowing the man to wear a turban while on duty as an officer of the NYPD is in direct violation of our culture. It starts with small things, but it will snowball. First its a turban-wearing NYPD officer, then the next thing you know they'll be allowed to stone people to death. Our culture is being replaced with a mix of foreign cultures, which is not what any decent American wants.

It is important to recognize the difference between internal and external cultural struggles. For example, the gay marriage debate is internal. It has been somewhat of an enigma for centuries and now it is coming to a head. Things like the NYPD officer are culture vs culture struggles, and dont need to exist. We shouldnt have sacrifice our culture, and the Arab man shouldnt have to sacrifice his. The cultural struggles and racism problems are caused by forcing "multi-culturalism" upon people. No one is happy with it. Black groups in Toronto, Canada are lobbying to get Black only schools. Thats right, they actually want segregation. All this struggle could be avoided if all nations could adopt foreign policies of isolationism. Racism, whether it be against blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, etc. will only end when the races separate. Think about all the energy and hate and money our society spends trying to resolve the racial and cultural issues. If we were free from all that, every nation could focus on building and maintaining the beauty of their own culture.

No ones culture is better than others, they are all different. Just like individuals, cultures have their strengths and weaknesses. And despite what the ADL or other special interest groups may tell you, having pride in one's culture does not mean they believe in the superiority of their culture.

So be proud of your culture and stand up for it.......no, more than that....you must defend it.
I must start by saying Screw You. Now that that's out of the way, I can go to Kansas City Missouri and get the world's best Barbecue while listening to country music. I can go to New York City and catch a theater performance, eat a "dirty water dog" from a street vendor, and check out the people milling around Manhattan. Or I could go to Key West (Key Largo sherrif's department warned me not to go back to their island) and party with a bunch of parrotheads. Yes, we have different cultures and I'm proud of that.

The Hitler Jugend, while I do not agree with your solution, your assessment on "multi-culturalism" I almost completely agree with.

I'm a patriot. Why? Because my country has the biggest economy of any single country, many talented people, a strong military, a constitution that protects people's rights very well (although I'd like to see an ammendment banning the death penalty), has made great progress in ensuring equality for all, Takes an active leadership role in world issues (although not everything we've done has been right), and is loyal to it's allies. Plus I love the culture and many subcultures to be found here in the USA.


Hahahaha, loyal to its Allies. After the government changed in Iran 1979,where was American loyalty? After WW2, what happened to American loyalty towards Poland and other eastern European countries? Or indeed the USSR. After they gave Saddam Hussein the green light for an invasion of Kuwait, was your country loyal to him? Where was American loyalty when Batista's regime was about to be overthrown by Castro? Or what about the Zairian dictator Mobutu who was overthrown by Kabila in the mid 90s?

Or what about their loyalty towards communist resistance groups throughout south east Asia who fought the Japanese in World War 2?

I don't know about you but I see a pattern emerging here...

Wahts special about America is its Gods Country. Jesus will show us are way, we don't need special interests ruinng our faundement.

Hahahaha, loyal to its Allies. After the government changed in Iran 1979,where was American loyalty? After WW2, what happened to American loyalty towards Poland and other eastern European countries? Or indeed the USSR. After they gave Saddam Hussein the green light for an invasion of Kuwait, was your country loyal to him? Where was American loyalty when Batista's regime was about to be overthrown by Castro? Or what about the Zairian dictator Mobutu who was overthrown by Kabila in the mid 90s?

Or what about their loyalty towards communist resistance groups throughout south east Asia who fought the Japanese in World War 2?

I don't know about you but I see a pattern emerging here...

The alliance with the communists was a matter of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Hahahaha, loyal to its Allies. After the government changed in Iran 1979,where was American loyalty? After WW2, what happened to American loyalty towards Poland and other eastern European countries? Or indeed the USSR. After they gave Saddam Hussein the green light for an invasion of Kuwait, was your country loyal to him? Where was American loyalty when Batista's regime was about to be overthrown by Castro? Or what about the Zairian dictator Mobutu who was overthrown by Kabila in the mid 90s?

Or what about their loyalty towards communist resistance groups throughout south east Asia who fought the Japanese in World War 2?

I don't know about you but I see a pattern emerging here...
Iran's islamic republic government was never a US ally. Nor was the USSR. The US is still a steadfast enemy of Castro. The other nations you spoke of, well, I don't know what their status was with the US, but from the examples you provided that were known to me, I'll assume it's just more bullshit.

Wahts special about America is its Gods Country. Jesus will show us are way, we don't need special interests ruinng our faundement.
You're not Jesussaves. Stop stealing his material.

Who?

Who?
Go to the upper right hand corner of the screen and click Search Forum. Type in Jesussaves. That should clue you in.

I'm not saying there aren't other great countries out there. Just that there are plenty of nations with less freedom, more poverty, a less influential culture, and weak armed forces. BTW, I don't mind the gun crime.

yeah gun crime is great, isn't it? I love how the majoirty of people who die by gun-crime don't actually deserve it...that's great...I love how easy it is to purchase a gun in the USA, and cause bloodshed, I love it so much

The alliance with the communists was a matter of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

It was still an alliance though.

Iran's islamic republic government was never a US ally. Nor was the USSR. The US is still a steadfast enemy of Castro. The other nations you spoke of, well, I don't know what their status was with the US, but from the examples you provided that were known to me, I'll assume it's just more bullshit.

Iran WAS an US ally during the reign of the Shah. Then, suddenly, when the regime changed, Iran was no longer an ally because the US government happened to not like the revolutionary government.

The USSR was a vital ally of the USA during WW2. The point is the US used to be an ally of Batista until some time before the revolution.

You're bullshit.

yeah gun crime is great, isn't it? I love how the majoirty of people who die by gun-crime don't actually deserve it...that's great...I love how easy it is to purchase a gun in the USA, and cause bloodshed, I love it so much
1 The figures for gun crimes are inflated by adding suicides. Suicides will kill themselves with or without a gun.

2 Canada has more guns per capita than the USA. So does Switzerland. They have less gun crime. You can't blame guns for crime.

3 I'm not a sheep. If you attack me I fight back. I have no problem with using a gun. I will not stand for having that right taken from me. You don't like it, don't come to America.

Iran WAS an US ally during the reign of the Shah. Then, suddenly, when the regime changed, Iran was no longer an ally because the US government happened to not like the revolutionary government.

The USSR was a vital ally of the USA during WW2. The point is the US used to be an ally of Batista until some time before the revolution.

You're bullshit.
Alliances are with governments, not pieces of land. When the Shah's government dissappeared, so did the alliance.

The second example is bull. It was a temporary alliance to defeat Hitler.

I love how easy it is to purchase a gun in the USA, and cause bloodshed, I love it so much

I do too. Imagine in totalitarian dictatorships, where the only thing you can get to defend yourself with is a pitch fork or baseball bat. The soldiers and secret police can of course, get whatever guns they want, and use them to rape and torture and kill anyone who disagrees with the government. And you can't do shit about it. You get to watch your family get executed...

But at least you can't get a gun in a commercial store! Whew! You'll be happy for that.

1 The figures for gun crimes are inflated by adding suicides. Suicides will kill themselves with or without a gun.

2 Canada has more guns per capita than the USA. So does Switzerland. They have less gun crime. You can't blame guns for crime.

3 I'm not a sheep. If you attack me I fight back. I have no problem with using a gun. I will not stand for having that right taken from me. You don't like it, don't come to America.

canada and switzerland have more guns, but those guns aren't as readily available to the everyday people

I do too. Imagine in totalitarian dictatorships, where the only thing you can get to defend yourself with is a pitch fork or baseball bat. The soldiers and secret police can of course, get whatever guns they want, and use them to rape and torture and kill anyone who disagrees with the government. And you can't do shit about it. You get to watch your family get executed...

But at least you can't get a gun in a commercial store! Whew! You'll be happy for that.
Or how about a society that's completely disarmed so that a big, strong guy who fights well can pretty much rob, rape and kill all he wants without fear of anybody defending themselves. I could live in such a place, I'm a big, strong guy who fights pretty well. I doubt most anti-gunners could last long in such a place.

canada and switzerland have more guns, but those guns aren't as readily available to the everyday people
Bullshit. The Swiss have military rifles in their homes. Canadians can keep rifles and shotguns in their homes, and if they have a prospector's licence they can even keep them in their cars.

Are you just going to keep making stuff up or are you going to finally shut up about things you obviously know nothing about?

I do too. Imagine in totalitarian dictatorships, where the only thing you can get to defend yourself with is a pitch fork or baseball bat. The soldiers and secret police can of course, get whatever guns they want, and use them to rape and torture and kill anyone who disagrees with the government. And you can't do shit about it. You get to watch your family get executed...

But at least you can't get a gun in a commercial store! Whew! You'll be happy for that.

The percentage of USA gun use that is attempting to defend a home is around the 20% mark, that's a whole 80% for just killing or hurting people for the sake of it. Now obviously, a good defense is a good defense, adn I'm sure the majoritry of those 20% found the gun a useful weapon, but that's small in comparison.

Why do I love my country? Because it might not be much, but it's mine. And that makes all the difference.

Why do I love my country? Difficult question.
I love what my country is now... to small corner shops, kebab takeaways, fish'n'chips and the delightful smell from the pubs, chinese restaraunts and curry houses as I stroll home. It's everyone speaking English (except glaswegians) and policemen outside Parliament pointing out that my shoelace is undone and telling me to "mind how you go". Its the statues on the Embankment and small country churches. It's the snow on Snowdon and the coastline of Scotland. It's the thousand years or so of history that beats up from the soil into your feet. It's the Imperial War museum and the Welsh valleys. It's the way all of this man made or naturally forged beauty shapes the people.

I love what my country was... the myths, the legends, the bardic song, the myriad tiny superstitions that ripple in the air in the tiniest village or largest city. It's the medieval castles, the victorian banks, the stone circles. Hell, it's the throne of Britain, forged in blood and steel and a living monument to what we were and have the potential to be again.

And then theres the future, I guess, and love for what might be... Theres the hope that one day people don't take all this for granted. That we'll remember who we are; that we stand on the soil of a country, are served by a work of a state and are all of us the people of one nation.

If my life is the price that all of this survives, or at the very least is remembered for all the ages in it's resplendent glory, then I pay it gladly.

But can you not love these sort of things about all countries. Why confine your love to just the country you live in. Also, don't say 'have the potential to be again'. People who are nostalgic about Britain's glorious past usually follow it up with explaining why we should remain an independant country and stay away from the EU. I see that you are a monarchist. Britain's 'glorious' past was based on agressive warmongering. The most we can hope for now is too be part of a greater Europe, and I think that is a better thing to be patriotic about than our country. Best of all, be patriotic about all of humanity.

The percentage of USA gun use that is attempting to defend a home is around the 20% mark, that's a whole 80% for just killing or hurting people for the sake of it. Now obviously, a good defense is a good defense, adn I'm sure the majoritry of those 20% found the gun a useful weapon, but that's small in comparison.
How many are suicides? How many are self defense when not at home? How many are shootings by police? How many are NHI shootings? You have a much higher risk of being killed in a car accident than being shot. Especially if you're not a cop or criminal. You are really gullible to beleive the statistics of the kind put out by HCI and Million Mom March.

Oh, to the people talking about guns- 65 gun related deaths in Britain each year, over 11,000 in America. Nuf said.

Bullshit. The Swiss have military rifles in their homes. Canadians can keep rifles and shotguns in their homes, and if they have a prospector's licence they can even keep them in their cars.

Are you just going to keep making stuff up or are you going to finally shut up about things you obviously know nothing about?

Who is speaking the bullshit here? The fact remains, USA has the most gun crime [or very, very, very, very close to the most]. Call it disbehaviour, call it a lot of misunderstanding, call is a lot of easy-to-purchase guns, USA has one of the highest gun-deaths in the world (which, by the way, was my original argument)

Oh, to the people talking about guns- 65 gun related deaths in Britain each year, over 11,000 in America. Nuf said.

yes, precisely.

The percentage of USA gun use that is attempting to defend a home is around the 20% mark, that's a whole 80% for just killing or hurting people for the sake of it. Now obviously, a good defense is a good defense, adn I'm sure the majoritry of those 20% found the gun a useful weapon, but that's small in comparison.

How much of gun use is for hunting or target-shooting?

I would imagine that these two activities would take a rather large bite out of the remaining 80%.

Oh, to the people talking about guns- 65 gun related deaths in Britain each year, over 11,000 in America. Nuf said.
Let's make it per capita rather than just the numbers because that's misleading. The US has some 280 million people.

Who is speaking the bullshit here? The fact remains, USA has the most gun crime [or very, very, very, very close to the most]. Call it disbehaviour, call it a lot of misunderstanding, call is a lot of easy-to-purchase guns, USA has one of the highest gun-deaths in the world (which, by the way, was my original argument)
My original argument is that I don't mind the gun crime. Then you tried a lame-ass sarcastic insult. The fact is the level of gun crime is still too low to matter. It's riskier to cross a street than be around guns.

How many are suicides? How many are self defense when not at home? How many are shootings by police? How many are NHI shootings? You have a much higher risk of being killed in a car accident than being shot. Especially if you're not a cop or criminal. You are really gullible to beleive the statistics of the kind put out by HCI and Million Mom March.

the statistics I recieve are not from those kind of organisations and crap, they are from honest people who wish the world were a better place........I wonder if I can guess your opinion on Michael Moore?

My original argument is that I don't mind the gun crime. Then you tried a lame-ass sarcastic insult. The fact is the level of gun crime is still too low to matter. It's riskier to cross a street than be around guns.

too low to matter? sorry, but I personally believe that any gun-crime of a vast amount is an issue

Who is speaking the bullshit here? The fact remains, USA has the most gun crime [or very, very, very, very close to the most]. Call it disbehaviour, call it a lot of misunderstanding, call is a lot of easy-to-purchase guns, USA has one of the highest gun-deaths in the world (which, by the way, was my original argument)

No way at all is true, thats is just more America-bashing. America is Gods country, other countries are jealous!! You probably forgetting countries like Iraq where theres WAR on, your argument is not too strong in the face of it, too!

Theres the highest gun-deaths in the world, not in America!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

the statistics I recieve are not from those kind of organisations and crap, they are from honest people who wish the world were a better place........I wonder if I can guess your opinion on Michael Moore?
I have a mixed opinion on him. I liked the documentary he did on GM's impact on Flint Michigan. I forget what that one was called. The "Bowling for Columbine" thing was partly good, mostly crap. Farenheit 911 was poorly made. Too much pandering to emotion, too little information.

too low to matter? sorry, but I personally believe that any gun-crime of a vast amount is an issue
Vastly more people are killed by cars. Ban them first. Until then Fuck off.

Let's make it per capita rather than just the numbers because that's misleading. The US has some 280 million people.

And UK has about 60 million. That means UK has approximatley 1 gun related death per million people, while the US has 39 gun related deaths per million people. Still quite a discrepancy.

And UK has about 60 million. That means UK has approximatley 1 gun related death per million people, while the US has 39 gun related deaths per million people. Still quite a discrepancy.
39 gun deaths per million. Pretty low odds. Factor in the fact that cops carry guns here, and sometimes have to shoot criminals, the number dropps even more. Then subtract the number killed in legitimate self-defense. The odds of being shot are too low to even think about.

Vastly more people are killed by cars. Ban them first. Until then Fuck off.

Cars are a useful thing. Guns are not. The only purpose of a gun is to kill someone or something.

No way at all is true, thats is just more America-bashing. America is Gods country, other countries are jealous!! You probably forgetting countries like Iraq where theres WAR on, your argument is not too strong in the face of it, too!

Theres the highest gun-deaths in the world, not in America!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

lmao lmao, this person has the point!

Vastly more people are killed by cars. Ban them first. Until then Fuck off.

cars are useful in other circumstances though


and btw; chill, dude

39 gun deaths per million. Pretty low odds. Factor in the fact that cops carry guns here, and sometimes have to shoot criminals, the number dropps even more. Then subtract the number killed in legitimate self-defense. The odds of being shot are too low to even think about.

Why do cops need to shoot people? They don't need to in Britain. Anyway, no-one is saying that America's gun related deaths are causing a larfe dent in the poulation, but they are still way higher than every other country, so there is still room for improvement.

How much of gun use is for hunting or target-shooting?

I would imagine that these two activities would take a rather large bite out of the remaining 80%.

and hunting is okay, right, because it's only animals, not people... :rolleyes:
I mean, it's a natural thing to eat other animals, but not in such a nasty fashion.

Cars are a useful thing. Guns are not. The only purpose of a gun is to kill someone or something.
Really? I use mine mostly for shooting targets. Killing isn't always wrong either. Hunting is a usefull and beneficial hobby. Killing in self defense reduces crime. Both legitimate uses for guns. Cars can be replaced by public transportation.

Why do cops need to shoot people? They don't need to in Britain. Anyway, no-one is saying that America's gun related deaths are causing a larfe dent in the poulation, but they are still way higher than every other country, so there is still room for improvement.
We are a more violent people. People here will on occasion attack a cop with a knife or a club. Our cops defend themselves with guns.

and hunting is okay, right, because it's only animals, not people... :rolleyes:
I mean, it's a natural thing to eat other animals, but not in such a nasty fashion.
Do you know what happens if you don't hunt deer? People die. People die in traffic accidents when a large deer runs in front of their car. Also deer eat crops that are intened for humans. Hunting is the most effective way to prevent those deaths and that loss of income for farmers.

lmao lmao, this person has the point!

Thank you for saying something nice, no one is nice here...

We are a more violent people. People here will on occasion attack a cop with a knife or a club. Our cops defend themselves with guns.

Yeah, same here. And the police manage fine with truncheons.

We are a more violent people. People here will on occasion attack a cop with a knife or a club. Our cops defend themselves with guns.

And do you think maybe the reason that you are a more violent country is that you have such easy access to weapons, so they become part of your culture?

I am a patriot, yet I do not hate the rest of the world. While I believe a global community would be nice, I just think that I have one of the greatest countries in the world, and that I would lay my life on the line for it, even die for it. I would do this because of the many great things my country has done for the world, and although it isn't the perfect nation, I believe what it stands for(freedom, justice, and equality) are worth dying for.

Of course, that's just my two cents.

Yeah, same here. And the police manage fine with truncheons.
Let's see them use truncheons in some of our more violent regions. Your cops would get massacred. Like I said, Americans are a more violent people. I take pride in that.

Thank you for saying something nice, no one is nice here...

I know, moaning bastards

Thank you for saying something nice, no one is nice here...

Oh, sorry. I was going to comliment your post too but I got distracted. Both me and Cressland were about to rise in a rage about it before we saw the irony.

Let's see them use truncheons in some of our more violent regions. Your cops would get massacred. Like I said, Americans are a more violent people. I take pride in that.

You take pride in being violent? You sick, sick person!

And do you think maybe the reason that you are a more violent country is that you have such easy access to weapons, so they become part of your culture?
I've been in a couple of knife fights. You can get access to knives even in England (that is where you're from, isn't it). How many knife fights have you been in?

Do you know what happens if you don't hunt deer? People die. People die in traffic accidents when a large deer runs in front of their car. Also deer eat crops that are intened for humans. Hunting is the most effective way to prevent those deaths and that loss of income for farmers.

I'd love to be a deer with people like you in the world

I've been in a couple of knife fights. You can get access to knives even in England (that is where you're from, isn't it). How many knife fights have you been in?

None. Your point?

You take pride in being violent? You sick, sick person!
Being ready to use violence is a source of strength. Knowing when to use it and when not to use it is a sign of wisdom and strength.

Why do cops need to shoot people? They don't need to in Britain.

American criminals are tougher and not as easily dispatched?

None. Your point?
We both have access to the same weapon. Americans are just more likely to use them.

American criminals are tougher and not as easily dispatched?

It's their healthy diet.

Let's see them use truncheons in some of our more violent regions. Your cops would get massacred. Like I said, Americans are a more violent people. I take pride in that.

you take that in pride? what about it do you love so much, or are you trying to start a heated debate, I think it must be the latter as no such idiots exist in the world who take pride in mass violence of the people. Not any idiots worth regarding as human, anyway.

We both have access to the same weapon. Americans are just more likely to use them.

You also have access to guns.

I've been in a couple of knife fights. You can get access to knives even in England (that is where you're from, isn't it). How many knife fights have you been in?

zero, we're calmer over here, because weapons aren't part of our culture!!! it all comes full-circle.

you take that in pride? what about it do you love so much, or are you trying to start a heated debate, I think it must be the latter as no such idiots exist in the world who take pride in mass violence of the people. Not any idiots worth regarding as human, anyway.
It makes us a stronger nation. It makes us better in war.

Oh, sorry. I was going to comliment your post too but I got distracted. Both me and Cressland were about to rise in a rage about it before we saw the irony.

I dont understand... I wasnt writing irony, so you are making fun?

American criminals are tougher and not as easily dispatched?

Orrrrrr, English policemen are more intelligent at solving problems without violence..

It makes us a stronger nation. It makes us better in war.

And we are better at avoiding war.

zero, we're calmer over here, because weapons aren't part of our culture!!! it all comes full-circle.
You love your culture, I love mine. I'm a patriot because my country encourages self-defense and self-reliance. Those are values I share.

And we are better at avoiding war.
What makes you think wars can always be avoided?

Orrrrrr, English policemen are more intelligent at solving problems without violence..
Or English criminals are less likely to grab a knife or club, less likely to have a large gang backing them up, and less likely to fight the police to begin with.

You love your culture, I love mine. I'm a patriot because my country encourages self-defense and self-reliance. Those are values I share.

so does ours, but in order to self-defend we don't need guns as much, because everybody sees beyond that...I'm not patriotic by the way, I fidn it narrow-minded

I dont understand... I wasnt writing irony, so you are making fun?

So why did you put in 5 sarcastic smilies?

Or English criminals are less likely to grab a knife or club, less likely to have a large gang backing them up, and less likely to fight the police to begin with.

so now you're agreeing with me that the English aren't as violent? Wow, you give up easily

What makes you think wars can always be avoided?

Well most countries manage to avoid having wars.

so does ours, but in order to self-defend we don't need guns as much, because everybody sees beyond that...I'm not patriotic by the way, I fidn it narrow-minded
Let's face it. You can't defend yourself against a large group of attackers or against a strong attacker who fights better than you without a weapon. A gun is a great weapon. If self-defense is one of your values, you will recognize the value of being well armed.

so now you're agreeing with me that the English aren't as violent? Wow, you give up easily
I've said from the beginning that Americans are more violent. Do you even read other's posts or do you just type random stuff?

Well most countries manage to avoid having wars.

do they!?!?!?!!?!??!?! How frequently are we talking here?

Well most countries manage to avoid having wars.
Not forever. The history of any people is periods of peace broken by occasional war.

Let's face it. You can't defend yourself against a large group of attackers or against a strong attacker who fights better than you without a weapon. A gun is a great weapon. If self-defense is one of your values, you will recognize the value of being well armed.

You can find ways to make sure that no-one attacks you oin the first place.

do they!?!?!?!!?!??!?!

at the moment they do

Not forever. The history of any people is periods of peace broken by occasional war.

It has been up until now. Now we have a new way-called peace. Don't diss it till you've tried it.

at the moment they do

lol sorry, note my edit......was done before I read this!

So why did you put in 5 sarcastic smilies?

Was "rolling eyes" meaning to say (I can not believe it!!)

You can find ways to make sure that no-one attacks you oin the first place.
I hang out with friends who live in the ghetto. I go to bars and clubs. If you live life you will encounter some risk.

It has been up until now. Now we have a new way-called peace. Don't diss it till you've tried it.
Name one nation that hasn't engaged in war.

Was "rolling eyes" meaning to say (I can not believe it!!)

Well in that case I will have to rant.

Well in that case I will have to rant.

?? :confused: ??

Patriotism or nationalism are just the logical extension of the primates urge to procreate. The basic need of us all is to ensure "our" genes pass into the future.Its the closest we get to immortality.
Loyalty to family, clan , village , citystate , nation etc is no more than that.Those around you generally come from the same stock (read ethnic background in modern terminology) and if your unique DNA does not survive..at least your "type" will. Need an example graphically illustrated...talk to any (read most) U.S. residents/citizens..they will define themselves as IRISH- American , AFRO-American etc.Not simply American.

As for the statement "this is Gods' Country" that I read earlier...Do you mean your god, my god or maybe the Romans gods?

With regard to wars, guns etc etc...ever watched Chimpanzees wage war. No? then do so and remember...Its not HUMAN nature to wage war(though we do it so well,clever little hairless monkies that we are)..its just another way for nature to winnow out the dead ends.

All of our grand achievements amount to nothing on a geological timescale..so kickback and relax..just enjoy your share of "our" species 15 minutes of fame.

Was "rolling eyes" meaning to say (I can not believe it!!)

so, you were beign serious when you said that Iraq has the most gun crime, due to the war? I really hope not, because then you need to think about the cause of the iraw war: USA! thus, indirectly, it is their gun-crime.

Name one nation that hasn't engaged in war.

switerland?

No way at all is true, thats is just more America-bashing. America is Gods country, other countries are jealous!! You probably forgetting countries like Iraq where theres WAR on, your argument is not too strong in the face of it, too!

Theres the highest gun-deaths in the world, not in America!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Right, for anyone else reading this, the reason that this responce is slighty late is that at first I thought he was being sarcastic. Here goes...
I think maybe block capitals.
Must start ranting now.

YOU STUPID STUPID PERSON!!! THE REASON THERE IS A WAR IN IRAQ IS THAT AMERICA STARTED IT!!! THE IRAQIS DID NOT DECIDE TO WALK AROUND WITH GUNS SHOOTING ONE ANOTHER SO THE AMERICANS THOUGHT THEY'D GO OVER AND DO IT FOR THEM!!! AMERICA CAN BE GOD'S COUNTRY!!! YOU AND CHRISTIANITY SUIT ONE ANOTHER!!! YOU SELF CENTERED SMUG LITTLE EVIL PERSON!!!

Calm down, calm down...

As for the statement "this is Gods' Country" that I read earlier...Do you mean your god, my god or maybe the Romans gods?
.

There is only God. Romans gods were false idols why are you mention them now they are ancient history. Jesus showed us the Way to Gods Plan. This is Gods country. We are inehriting the Earth as God intendned.

I'm not saying lies, its all coming true now today. You can lie to yourselfs but you cannot stop God. Be Godly in His nation, or go else where. This is His nation, and Im proud to be.

so, you were beign serious when you said that Iraq has the most gun crime, due to the war? I really hope not, because then you need to think about the cause of the iraw war: USA! thus, indirectly, it is their gun-crime.
Plenty of nations are at war without direct US involvement. Want a short list?
Sudan (genocidal war against people of Darfur)
Nepal (civil war between Maoist rebels and the kingdom)
Israel/Palestine
India/Pakistan (sporadic conflict over Kashmir)
Ethiopia/Eritrea
Russia/Chechnia
Algeria (civil war between government and GIA)

There is only God. Romans gods were false idols why are you mention them now they are ancient history. Jesus showed us the Way to Gods Plan. This is Gods country. We are inehriting the Earth as God intendned.

I'm not saying lies, its all coming true now today. You can lie to yourselfs but you cannot stop God. Be Godly in His nation, or go else where. This is His nation, and Im proud to be.

AGAIN!!! DAMN YOU CHRISTIAN AMERICAN FUNDAMENTALISTS!!!

Who are you to say that the Christian God is true while the Roman ones aren't?

Plenty of nations are at war without direct US involvement. Want a short list?
Sudan (genocidal war against people of Darfur)
Nepal (civil war between Maoist rebels and the kingdom)
Israel/Palestine
India/Pakistan (sporadic conflict over Kashmir)
Ethiopia/Eritrea
Russia/Chechnia
Algeria (civil war between government and GIA)



Russia is actualy at war with the terrorists of Chechnia not the governers/goverment in power (not that theirs much difference)

switerland?
They're neutral and pacifist now, but not always. Civil war in 1847 for example.
And Neutrality comes with a complete lack of influence in world politics.

There is only God. Romans gods were false idols why are you mention them now they are ancient history. Jesus showed us the Way to Gods Plan. This is Gods country. We are inehriting the Earth as God intendned.

I'm not saying lies, its all coming true now today. You can lie to yourselfs but you cannot stop God. Be Godly in His nation, or go else where. This is His nation, and Im proud to be.

If i didn't know better, I would say you were Jesussaves. Except for your grammar is too good to be his...

so, you were beign serious when you said that Iraq has the most gun crime, due to the war? I really hope not, because then you need to think about the cause of the iraw war: USA! thus, indirectly, it is their gun-crime.

The cause of the Iraq war was the idolator Saddam Hussein and his terrorism links with Al Qaida

:rolleyes:

We gave the Iraq people freedom and they respond by shooting, shooting, shooting. Each other, their liberators - and then theres hostages with beheadings. They are enemies of God.

:rolleyes:

We are better off destroying enemies of God, they are America's enemy too!!

If i didn't know better, I would say you were Jesussaves. Except for your grammar is too good to be his...
Trust me, he's not Jesussaves. Jesussaves has taken Saturday off.

AGAIN!!! DAMN YOU CHRISTIAN AMERICAN FUNDAMENTALISTS!!!

Who are you to say that the Christian God is true while the Roman ones aren't?

Hmm well the Romans who worshipped those gods lost. Whereas Christ won... by dying! So there's a huge difference.

Infidel.

The cause of the Iraq war was the idolator Saddam Hussein and his terrorism links with Al Qaida

:rolleyes:

We gave the Iraq people freedom and they respond by shooting, shooting, shooting. Each other, their liberators - and then theres hostages with beheadings. They are enemies of God.

:rolleyes:

We are better off destroying enemies of God, they are America's enemy too!!
Dude, please quit using Jesussaves' material.

The cause of the Iraq war was the idolator Saddam Hussein and his terrorism links with Al Qaida

:rolleyes:

We gave the Iraq people freedom and they respond by shooting, shooting, shooting. Each other, their liberators - and then theres hostages with beheadings. They are enemies of God.

:rolleyes:

We are better off destroying enemies of God, they are America's enemy too!!

yes, you gave them freedom alright, along with a few hundred thousand parentless children, childrenless parents, and annihilation of their homes

The cause of the Iraq war was the idolator Saddam Hussein and his terrorism links with Al Qaida

:rolleyes:

We gave the Iraq people freedom and they respond by shooting, shooting, shooting. Each other, their liberators - and then theres hostages with beheadings. They are enemies of God.

:rolleyes:

We are better off destroying enemies of God, they are America's enemy too!!


Just to let ye know, most Iraqi's are happy that we liberated them from Saddam, and it's just a few that want to kill us. Of course, alot of Iraqi's are pissed we've been there for almost two years and the violence has continued, but hey, what are ye gonna do?

yes, you gave them freedom alright, along with a few hundred thousand parentless children, childrenless parents, and annihilation of their homes
It's a fair trade. :rolleyes:

They're neutral and pacifist now, but not always. Civil war in 1847 for example.
And Neutrality comes with a complete lack of influence in world politics.


This is civil wars between a country and terrorist organisation this technicaly doesn't coun't as a war. same with the list you gave a minuet ago, the funny thing is gorge bush has prommised to fight all terrorist organisations which, and it'll be interesting what he actualy does.

yes, you gave them freedom alright, along with a few hundred thousand parentless children, childrenless parents, and annihilation of their homes
Actually considering the scale of what we did civilian casualties were quite light. I just don't think it was worth doing in the first place.

Patriotism or nationalism are just the logical extension of the primates urge to procreate. The basic need of us all is to ensure "our" genes pass into the future.Its the closest we get to immortality.
Loyalty to family, clan , village , citystate , nation etc is no more than that.Those around you generally come from the same stock (read ethnic background in modern terminology) and if your unique DNA does not survive..at least your "type" will. Need an example graphically illustrated...talk to any (read most) U.S. residents/citizens..they will define themselves as IRISH- American , AFRO-American etc.Not simply American.

As for the statement "this is Gods' Country" that I read earlier...Do you mean your god, my god or maybe the Romans gods?

With regard to wars, guns etc etc...ever watched Chimpanzees wage war. No? then do so and remember...Its not HUMAN nature to wage war(though we do it so well,clever little hairless monkies that we are)..its just another way for nature to winnow out the dead ends.

All of our grand achievements amount to nothing on a geological timescale..so kickback and relax..just enjoy your share of "our" species 15 minutes of fame.

Ah, I feel as a humanist I must protest. We could be much better. We don't have to be a dead end.
We have proved that we can overcome some of our natural instincts. Inter-racial children mean that eventually we can all be part of a great melting poy of genes, we don't need to divide ourselves into groups. If you say that it is human instinct to reproduce within your group then how come now nearly everyone feels comfortable rep[roducing outside of their family, clan, village, citystate?

It's a fair trade. :rolleyes:

Like the trade with the native americans. We gave them life threatening desieses and they gave us tabbaco.

Plenty of nations are at war without direct US involvement. Want a short list?
Sudan (genocidal war against people of Darfur)
Nepal (civil war between Maoist rebels and the kingdom)
Israel/Palestine
India/Pakistan (sporadic conflict over Kashmir)
Ethiopia/Eritrea
Russia/Chechnia
Algeria (civil war between government and GIA)

I didn't say that other countries avoid war without the Us?!!? you're changing subject, because you obviously lack depth into your argument

Like the trade with the native americans. We gave them life threatening desieses and they gave us tabbaco.
They might have given us syphilis too. That one's still disputed.

I'm not Jesussaves, but from you responses it sound like all you could use more of a positive message about God.

Pure and simlpe, God LOVES YOU. God loves America, why do you all hate? the Roman gods are all dead and they were ROMAN, too - not worshipped today in America. They were false idols and God punished each and evrey one of their poor deluded followers.

Don't fall in to the same trap. We all know better nowadays...

They're neutral and pacifist now, but not always. Civil war in 1847 for example.
And Neutrality comes with a complete lack of influence in world politics.

And lots of money when you don't bother to join the EU. Sorry, ranting again. It's like when I called all the Swiss bastards under Marshallsay's nose isn't it Wally?
(Sorry, that 2nd comment directed at Redy Yellow Flames not Drunk Commies)

yes, you gave them freedom alright, along with a few hundred thousand parentless children, childrenless parents, and annihilation of their homes

Thats Gods way of testing their faiths!

Hmm well the Romans who worshipped those gods lost. Whereas Christ won... by dying! So there's a huge difference.

Infidel.

so that's the dividing point? death?
is it just me or do fundamentalist christians believe in an afterlife? hm?

I didn't say that other countries avoid war without the Us?!!? you're changing subject, because you obviously lack depth into your argument
The post I was originally responding to, not one of yours by the way, was something along the lines of "there's a new thing called peace, you should give it a try." I responded by saying that there isn't any nation that never goes to war. I even provided a short list of current wars that the US isn't fighting in. I think I proved my point.

Thats Gods way of testing their faiths!

no, no, no, no, no, it's not! It's America's way of testing it's power!

Thats Gods way of testing their faiths!


not that they belive in your god...

so that's the dividing point? death?
is it just me or do fundamentalist christians believe in an afterlife? hm?

??? Of course there is an afterlife ???

I'm not Jesussaves, but from you responses it sound like all you could use more of a positive message about God.

Pure and simlpe, God LOVES YOU. God loves America, why do you all hate? the Roman gods are all dead and they were ROMAN, too - not worshipped today in America. They were false idols and God punished each and evrey one of their poor deluded followers.

Don't fall in to the same trap. We all know better nowadays...
I still worship Mars.

not that they belive in your god...

If they did maybe they wouldnt make us go to war against them, hmmm?

The post I was originally responding to, not one of yours by the way, was something along the lines of "there's a new thing called peace, you should give it a try." I responded by saying that there isn't any nation that never goes to war. I even provided a short list of current wars that the US isn't fighting in. I think I proved my point.

you didn't prove your point though, because I sad,m if you remember, that pyromanstahn had said 'now', thus eliminating the past parentheses of those countries....so...where's your argument now?

so that's the dividing point? death?
is it just me or do fundamentalist christians believe in an afterlife? hm?

No, the dividing point is the success rate of a particular deity's followers' cultures. For example, some people often point out that the Ancient Egyptian gods, at least, didn't have much power or concern for their followers - where is Ancient Egypt today?

Similarly, the fact that Jesus's followers - Roman-era Jewish and Pagan converts - so totally dominate the world today is a testament that at least, Christ cares more and can do more to make his followers survive and thrive!

;)

There is only God. Romans gods were false idols why are you mention them now they are ancient history. Jesus showed us the Way to Gods Plan. This is Gods country. We are inehriting the Earth as God intendned.

I'm not saying lies, its all coming true now today. You can lie to yourselfs but you cannot stop God. Be Godly in His nation, or go else where. This is His nation, and Im proud to be.

Ahhh! I see the light! Gods plan was for man to sink into a pit of his own debauchery.
Incidentally inheriting and taking by "force of arms" are not nor ever will be the same thing.
And if there is only one god..what make you think he is "your" god. Correct me if I'm mistaken but is he not in fact then also the Moslem god, ergo this "Great nation" is committing the greatest sin of all by stopping Gods chosen people from committing acts of savagery?
There is no god/gods there never were...religion is/was and forever shall be the greatest political tool ever devised. In no other way could ANY leader get a man to commit suicide for the "greater good".
You wish to believe..then more power to you.But please stop with the "gods Country" rhetoric its patently untrue.

you didn't prove your point though, because I sad,m if you remember, that pyromanstahn had said 'now', thus eliminating the past parentheses of those countries....so...where's your argument now?
Ok, so no country without direct US involvement will ever go to war again? Sorry, that's just ignorant.

the fact that Jesus's followers - Roman-era Jewish and Pagan converts - so totally dominate the world today is a testament that at least, Christ cares more and can do more to make his followers survive and thrive!
;)

or it shows how influencing brainwashing from birth can be

If they did maybe they wouldnt make us go to war against them, hmmm?
I like where you're going with this. Let's make war on all countries that don't have a christian majority. That will certainly please my god. Then we can start on the christian countries too. We'll make up a reason. Maybe they're not devout enough. Maybe it's the wrong sect of christianity. We'll be at war forever, just like Mars intended.

Ok, so no country without direct US involvement will ever go to war again? Sorry, that's just ignorant.

that's not what I'm saying! jesus, go back, read each post, from the beginning, and take little baby steps until you get it in your head, I don't want to waste my time on this thread explaining everything to some six year old.

??? Of course there is an afterlife ???
Not for ordinary mortals. Only for Caesar. He is a living God.

or it shows how influencing brainwashing from birth can be

You are not Christian, then. Okay, you can still be saved. What you mean to say brainwashed?

that's not what I'm saying! jesus, go back, read each post, from the beginning, and take little baby steps until you get it in your head, I don't want to waste my time on this thread explaining everything to some six year old.
I have no time for your bullshit. If you can't make your point quickly and coherently, I'm not going to bother with you.

The post I was originally responding to, not one of yours by the way, was something along the lines of "there's a new thing called peace, you should give it a try." I responded by saying that there isn't any nation that never goes to war. I even provided a short list of current wars that the US isn't fighting in. I think I proved my point.

It was my post you responded to. It proved nothing. The fact that the US cannot yet seem to grasp the concept of peace does not mean there is no such thing as peace. There has been a major decrease in the number of wars since the founding of the UN. This is not just a trend, it is a new way, and yet you refuse to believe it is happening and cling to war, because it is what you know best.

You are not Christian, then. Okay, you can still be saved. What you mean to say brainwashed?

I am saved, mate, I am saved. To be honest........I was never captured.

I like where you're going with this. Let's make war on all countries that don't have a christian majority. That will certainly please my god. Then we can start on the christian countries too. We'll make up a reason. Maybe they're not devout enough. Maybe it's the wrong sect of christianity. We'll be at war forever, just like Mars intended.

You two are perfectly suited for one another aren't you? The mad raving Christian and the mad raving warmonger.

I have no time for your bullshit. If you can't make your point quickly and coherently, I'm not going to bother with you.

says somebody who's had 4000 posts since december last year....talk about making your point quickly.

It was my post you responded to. It proved nothing. The fact that the US cannot yet seem to grasp the concept of peace does not mean there is no such thing as peace. There has been a major decrease in the number of wars since the founding of the UN. This is not just a trend, it is a new way, and yet you refuse to believe it is happening and cling to war, because it is what you know best.
There has been a trend towards less war since hunter/gatherer days. It doesn't mean that war will become obsolete. The US is prepared for times when war becomes neccessary. It's our way. It's one of the reasons I love my country.

I like where you're going with this. Let's make war on all countries that don't have a christian majority. That will certainly please my god. Then we can start on the christian countries too. We'll make up a reason. Maybe they're not devout enough. Maybe it's the wrong sect of christianity. We'll be at war forever, just like Mars intended.

Are you making fun I think so. Mars is a planet.

Oh okay I see you making joke. War doesnt last forever, evil will be defeated and then Gods country will receive Lord Jesus and rule for next thousand years.

War is just the way to acheivning Gods Plan for His people. We will inhernit the Earth!!

If they did maybe they wouldnt make us go to war against them, hmmm?

They didn't! One man did! Don't condemn people because they have an evil leader. If I did that I would have to condemn every American.

Are you making fun I think so. Mars is a planet.


No, Mars was the Roman god of war. You should hate this guy. He is a polytheist. Although it does prove that you were wrong when you said the Roman gods are dead.

says somebody who's had 4000 posts since december last year....talk about making your point quickly.
On numerous different threads regarding numerous different subjects. Plus it's past 6 pm, and I need to get going soon. Oh, and I have plenty of people on this board who like my posts. So don't criticize my post count. It's appreciated by many.

I am saved, mate, I am saved. To be honest........I was never captured.

Satan has you, I am sorry for you too but it sound like you actaully want Gods wrath. I can not make you see but maybe what I said will sometime make its way to your soul and you will know truth.

There has been a trend towards less war since hunter/gatherer days. It doesn't mean that war will become obsolete. The US is prepared for times when war becomes neccessary. It's our way. It's one of the reasons I love my country.

OK, be prepared, but why does that mean you have to actually invade other countries that have not invaded you or even threatend to? And why does it mean you all have to be armed to the teeth, even the civilians?

There has been a trend towards less war since hunter/gatherer days. It doesn't mean that war will become obsolete. The US is prepared for times when war becomes neccessary. It's our way. It's one of the reasons I love my country.

Hate to disagree..but the trend is in fact the opposite...nomadic tribes simply kill intruders (xenophobia)..Gatherers kill to aqquire dominate and possess...(war)

On numerous different threads regarding numerous different subjects. Plus it's past 6 pm, and I need to get going soon. Oh, and I have plenty of people on this board who like my posts. So don't criticize my post count. It's appreciated by many.

I never claimed it was on this one thread.....whatever, I'm sure you're alright.

No, Mars was the Roman god of war. You should hate this guy. He is a monotheist. Although it does prove that you were wrong when you said the Roman gods are dead.
Actually I'm an atheist. I look at Mars like the Church of Satan looks at Satan. The symbol for the wild and untamed part of the human psyche. Not as a real living being.

Not for ordinary mortals. Only for Caesar. He is a living God.

Only God and Lord Jesus are immortal, Caesar burns in Hell for all eternity for his false pride and Sinning.

Satan has you, I am sorry for you too but it sound like you actaully want Gods wrath. I can not make you see but maybe what I said will sometime make its way to your soul and you will know truth.

I want God's wrath. My friends and I recently decided I may be the second coming of Lucifer. Bring it on God.

Satan has you, I am sorry for you too but it sound like you actaully want Gods wrath. I can not make you see but maybe what I said will sometime make its way to your soul and you will know truth.
fuck! Satan has me! what shall I do! ohhhh I know! what I did before.

Name one nation that hasn't engaged in war.

How about three?

Antigua and Barbuda
Barbados
Tuvalu

Satan has you, I am sorry for you too but it sound like you actaully want Gods wrath. I can not make you see but maybe what I said will sometime make its way to your soul and you will know truth.

Satan doesn't have him..Satan isn't real. And neither is an omnipotent superbeing with your best interest at heart.