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I am neither a fornicator or an adulteror. Read the Song of Solomon and see just what is in the bible...

I have not committed the sins of which you speak, and you are not a messenger of God, so I shall receive you not, as is commanded, nor shall I wish you Godspeed.

I have read the Song of Solomon.

However, there is a difference between the poetic sensuality of Solomon, and random acts of pornography.

To have the thought, is as doing the deed.

Thus, you have sinned in each of the senses in which I said you had...

So - you continue to lie, on top of your other sins...

In fact, I know why VoteEarly comes here - why he stands out and says he's full of hate.

Because he so desperately wants to be accepted and loved.

So it doesn't matter if I succeed in blocking engrams to become an operating Thetan?

I'm so very confused. Perhaps I should rub more linseed oil on my Holy Skullcap before I bathe in the Holy Waters of bOb next Cabbage Day.

Because he so desperately wants to be accepted and loved.


Wrong...

Wrong...
I don't think so.

Romans 10:9-10 says "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raiseth him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

That's all it takes. God loves you already. You just have to accept His love.

It's not a universe where a vengeful, hateful God is waiting to stick it to you and anyone he doesn't like.

I am neither a fornicator or an adulteror. Read the Song of Solomon and see just what is in the bible...

I have not committed the sins of which you speak, and you are not a messenger of God, so I shall receive you not, as is commanded, nor shall I wish you Godspeed.

Sorry - I just read what this reply was to... and you appear to have accidentally forgotten to reply to any of the points I made...

Here, I'll repost it for you...


Untrue... so now you lie... will you leave the thread?

You have admitted in this thread... that you wrote 'roleplay' scenarios of a sexual nature.

The bible is clear - the thought is the deed.

Thus, you are a fornicator and adulterer in mind... and also spirit, and body.

Or the bible is wrong... you chose.

Also - since you deny the possibility of salvation through grace (favouring salvation through election), you are a heretic... to the rest of the Christian church - which existed long before Calvinism.

You are hoist by your own petard.

I am merely the messenger... beware - your sins HAVE found you out.

Please don't suggest I'm gay, I take that as flamebait. Now I am asking you, politely, please leave my thread, you're not welcome here.


I never said I have no interest in women, I don't have an interest in women who debase themselves by acting like whores and not proper young ladies that they ought to be.


Of course.... gays are pure evil aren't they? Utterly incapable of salvation because of their deviant nature... which is nature by the way, not a choice, nature imbued in their souls by God. Even though some of the gay people I know are far more likely to be beloved of God than you could ever be... I suppose you're against the gay bishop thing as well? Oh woe is me, we bring our damnation down upon ourselves with our heretical actions... yeah.

Another thing, this is not *your* thread, it is not anyone's thread, it is a place for open discussion, for debating a point... in this case it seems to be debating whether or not you're a fundamentalist arsehole with the brainpower of a dead slug, or a prophet of some new god based on Yahweh/Jehovah/God/Him/Whatever... feel free to stone me to death now by the way.

And how are women supposed to behave? No baring of ankles like the slutty whores they all obviously are? Or simply behaving in a sensible and polite manner (as men are also supposed to behave)... and since when does "women" only encompass young ladies?... Please forgive my ignorance in this matter, I simply do not posses the intellectual capacity that sexism obviously affords you.

Catholic Inquistion, witch burnings, etc... Need I go on...

So... if one sect murders people, any old cult has license to do the same?

VoteEarly, why do you run off to moderation every chance you get? You know that putting something like this will annoy people, even if it is your beliefs. If you feel very strongly about these beliefs, why not respond to the mildly agressive posts you get in response, rather than trying to get as many people as possible in trouble with the mods?

To clarify, you have the right to believe in Catholic or Calvinist BS. You would be wrong to believe them, but oh, well, you have the right. You DO NOT have the right to persecute for disputing your atheistic folly. My Gods are real, your triple god is false. As for being less Christian in persecuting people, well, persecution is part of the Christian tradition. This is a cult that teaches that people who oppose Jesus will burn forever in a lake of fire and that they will suffer plagues and be slaughtered at Megiddo. Draw your own conclusions from that. I prefer Gods that don't need to damn people for eternity.

I don't think so.

Romans 10:9-10 says "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raiseth him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

That's all it takes. God loves you already. You just have to accept His love.

It's not a universe where a vengeful, hateful God is waiting to stick it to you and anyone he doesn't like.


God hates most people, why do you hate the fact that God hates most people?

Again, are you afraid you're one of the people He hates?

Vote, you need to pray. In fact, I'll pray with you and for you, because you really need to accept Jesus. You need to know that God loves us all, and has the power to save us all, and that you're not here on this Earth to hate people, or say that one group of people is "reprobate".

You need to find God's love. It's out there. It's where you are right now.

Vote, you need to pray. In fact, I'll pray with you and for you, because you really need to accept Jesus. You need to know that God loves us all, and has the power to save us all, and that you're not here on this Earth to hate people, or say that one group of people is "reprobate".

You need to find God's love. It's out there. It's where you are right now.

Both of you are wrong. The Gods neither love man nor hate man. They treat people according to their merits. I don't accept gods that are masochistic to the extreme of suicide one minute and sadistic to the point of eternal torture the next.

No, I am loved by my father. I am hateful because God wants me to hate reprobate, because God Himself hates them.

How ironic...

Both of you are wrong. The Gods neither love man nor hate man. They treat people according to their merits. I don't accept gods that are masochistic to the extreme of suicide one minute and sadistic to the point of eternal torture the next.

I don't believe that God hates anyone. Regardless of their merits.

Vote, you need to pray. In fact, I'll pray with you and for you, because you really need to accept Jesus. You need to know that God loves us all, and has the power to save us all, and that you're not here on this Earth to hate people, or say that one group of people is "reprobate".

You need to find God's love. It's out there. It's where you are right now.


I've found God when I realized my Election and accepted the 5 Points. I'm quite happy where I am.

And I don't think that the Gods doom people to infinite punishment for finite offenses.

God hates most people, why do you hate the fact that God hates most people?

Again, are you afraid you're one of the people He hates?

I think it very sad that you feel the need to be 'justified' somehow... like... you won't be happy, even in heaven, unless you can hear screams from hell.

I will pray for you.

I've found God when I realized my Election and accepted the 5 Points. I'm quite happy where I am.
Your religion is the right one...because you're happy...

Isn't that hedonism?

I would say that if VoteEarly is right about God, I should start hating God. He really fucked most of us over.

And I don't think that the Gods doom people to infinite punishment for finite offenses.

Indeed. Surely a God who is capable of everything is capable of forgiveness - regardless of what we do.

Personally, I find the idea of a God who wants to screw me hard, and wants his followers to burn me at the stake, nauseating in the extreme.

Then why do you teach the doctrine of eternal damnation to hell?

I would say that if VoteEarly is right about God, I should start hating God. He really fucked most of us over.

I would say that VoteEarly is probably an atheist... I'd say he lost his faith - and this is how he is 'hitting back' at the church.

Sad - because he makes all the Atheists look bad, by dragging them down.

Then why do you teach the doctrine of eternal damnation to hell?

I don't teach that.

I don't teach that.

Well, then you're a rare Christian. I believe in divine justice, but just not everlasting punishment.

As you can tell, I'm a pagan, believing in the old Gods, the true Gods.

I would say that VoteEarly is probably an atheist... I'd say he lost his faith - and this is how he is 'hitting back' at the church.

Sad - because he makes all the Atheists look bad, by dragging them down.

No one would attack the church as revenge because they lost their faith. If they became an atheist rather than an agnostic then they would not regret losing it at all. I don't think he's an atheist, he's an extremist Christian like he appears to be.

My Revelation...

One day I wolk up with impossibly cool blue/green hair and a katana laying next to my bed with a kick ass school uniform.

When I arrived at school every single girl was attractive and all the guys were either a nerd or a jock (no middle ground here). I noticed that every expression had some wierd features. When someone sighed and big tear drop would go down their face, when angry strange little veins would pop up, and when shocked people's eyes would get really small and then they would fall over.

While in Advanced Quantum Mechanics I noticed that a demon was outside eating people, so I jumped out the window and sliced through him. Strangely enough I thought I missed because he was still laughing, rest assured 20 seconds later he fell in half. Then I got some cool nickname and wandered the country side killing demons and saving the day.

Now that's a revelation dammit!

Well, then you're a rare Christian. I believe in divine justice, but just not everlasting punishment.

I like to see myself as a Pentacostal. I believe that God's Love is within our easy grasp - and that no one is going to Hell. Probably not your traditional Pentacostal.

Yes, God may punish us - or we may even be punishing ourselves by the way in which we live (and I'm not talking about the usual "sins" - I'm talking about treating each other badly).

But we're not going to Hell.

I would say that VoteEarly is probably an atheist... I'd say he lost his faith - and this is how he is 'hitting back' at the church.

Sad - because he makes all the Atheists look bad, by dragging them down.

I'd say he is just a very paranoid individual who cast his lot with the only thing he feels confortable with. Over time he has just grown to accept the most extreme and isolated position he could, in order to defend himself from the things he is afraid of.

Which chapter is that in?
5?

I would say that if VoteEarly is right about God, I should start hating God. He really fucked most of us over.

nah, there's nothing wrong with God, whoever or whatever he may be... its those who claim to speak with him and speak for him that are the problem...

ooh yeah, VoteEarly... God (in all apparence) is a being which relies on belief to exist, hence why he says "you must believe in ME and none other"... yet you claim to have actual contact with him.... therefore you KNOW he exists... correct?
however, in knowledge of his existence, you obviously have proof of his existence, aye?
this nullifies any need for belief in Him as knowledge negates belief... God is dead to you mate. so whatever you're talking to now, it certainly isn't God.

I like to see myself as a Pentacostal. I believe that God's Love is within our easy grasp - and that no one is going to Hell. Probably not your traditional Pentacostal.

Yes, God may punish us - or we may even be punishing ourselves by the way in which we live (and I'm not talking about the usual "sins" - I'm talking about treating each other badly).

But we're not going to Hell.

Yeah, you're not a traditional Pentecostal. My fiancee used to be part of the Assembly of God. She was taught that if you sin and don't repent, you burn in hell forever.

I would say that VoteEarly is probably an atheist... I'd say he lost his faith - and this is how he is 'hitting back' at the church.

Sad - because he makes all the Atheists look bad, by dragging them down.


Quit calling me an atheist, and didn't I ask you politely to either stop lying and baiting me, or leave my thread?

Well, calling a devout Calvinist an atheist, is about the worst insult you can lay against me. Please extricate yourself from my thread.

And my dad was a Baptist "hell fire and brimstone" preacher.

Yeah, you're not a traditional Pentecostal. My fiancee used to be part of the Assembly of God. She was taught that if you sin and don't repent, you burn in hell forever.

That's why there are a lot of independent Pentacostal churches in the US. A lot of us don't want to hear the "burn in Hell" crap. We want to hear "good news", not dire warnings.

nah, there's nothing wrong with God, whoever or whatever he may be... its those who claim to speak with him and speak for him that are the problem....

I have no doubt of that, I don't particularly believe in any sort of God in the first place, but I do know that there is no logical way to arrive at VoteEarly's view of God. It can only be based on dementia.

I have no doubt of that, I don't particularly believe in any sort of God in the first place, but I do know that there is no logical way to arrive at VoteEarly's view of God. It can only be based on dementia.

I used to be an atheist, Vittos.

No one would attack the church as revenge because they lost their faith. If they became an atheist rather than an agnostic then they would not regret losing it at all. I don't think he's an atheist, he's an extremist Christian like he appears to be.

No - seriously... the GGOD thing about religion, is it makes it all 'alright', doesn't it?

You get bullied at school... that is okay, the meek shall inherit...

Not enough food... that is okay... Jesus will feed you...

Worried? God will support.... No money? God will provide...

Did something SOOO bad, you couldn't live with that knowledge.... that's okay, god will forgive.

So - for some people... to lose their faith would be to lose all their excuses, all their support, all their validations.

VoteEarly only posts the "hate" and intolerance of the bible... none of the love. And, he has no answers to questions about how that contradicts Jesus' lessons of love...

Which makes me think it's a sham... and that he has 'lost his faith'... and that he hurts, because of that... and THIS is how he 'strikes back' at the church, and at the 'god' he can no longer believe in.

Quit calling me an atheist, and didn't I ask you politely to either stop lying and baiting me, or leave my thread?

Well, calling a devout Calvinist an atheist, is about the worst insult you can lay against me. Please extricate yourself from my thread.

I do believe that this is a public thread and, as long as he stays reasonably on topic, you have know authority to ask him to leave.

Not a moderator, but I did stay at Holiday Inn Express last night.

Hey VoteEarly, you haven't responded to anything else I've said to you on this thread but I hope you respond to this. I just read something you said here that God does not choose the Elect out of their faith or their personality, but some are predestined to be chosen. If that's the case then why do you need to preach your beliefs? Your religion cannot be evangelical, and if you believe that the rest of us are doomed without hope then why not just leave us to our herecies until Judgement Day?

I have no doubt of that, I don't particularly believe in any sort of God in the first place, but I do know that there is no logical way to arrive at VoteEarly's view of God. It can only be based on dementia.

I can't say I believe in the God that most believe themselves to be refering to when using that name.... but there is *something*... and the word God is close enough in meaning to be stuck to it (though its probably called norman)

No - seriously... the GGOD thing about religion, is it makes it all 'alright', doesn't it?

You get bullied at school... that is okay, the meek shall inherit...

Not enough food... that is okay... Jesus will feed you...

Worried? God will support.... No money? God will provide...

Did something SOOO bad, you couldn't live with that knowledge.... that's okay, god will forgive.

So - for some people... to lose their faith would be to lose all their excuses, all their support, all their validations.

VoteEarly only posts the "hate" and intolerance of the bible... none of the love. And, he has no answers to questions about how that contradicts Jesus' lessons of love...

Which makes me think it's a sham... and that he has 'lost his faith'... and that he hurts, because of that... and THIS is how he 'strikes back' at the church, and at the 'god' he can no longer believe in.

Well if he was like that then he would not be a true atheist and would not embrace any of the normal philosophies of atheists, who are happy to lose their faith.

That's why there are a lot of independent Pentacostal churches in the US. A lot of us don't want to hear the "burn in Hell" crap. We want to hear "good news", not dire warnings.



People want to hear things that make them feel all warm and cute inside, so they can go about their sinning and feel that God actually loves them and will forgive them, even though in their hearts, they don't ask for it. They pay lip service to God, and nominally ask for forgiveness.

The truth is a Calvinist truth, and it pains reprobate to hear it, they can't stand it, they hate it. And the Gospels and letters of the apostles are quite clear, in the later times, those who preach the real Gospel, will be hated by those who are following false prophets. And only a tiny number will hold to the true way.

I used to be an atheist, Vittos.

Your point is lost on me. :confused:

I hope you didn't think I was degrading your views on God, because I most certainly wasn't.

I don't think there would be any logical explanation for a God to create a whole society of evil people just to destroy the physical forms of his chosen people. He seems to be suffering from a hatred of things he doesn't understand or simply doesn't like, and it is probably a fight or flight reaction to his paranoia.

As for you, I am sure you have perfectly sane reasons for believing like you do, most religious people do.

Hey VoteEarly, you haven't responded to anything else I've said to you on this thread but I hope you respond to this. I just read something you said here that God does not choose the Elect out of their faith or their personality, but some are predestined to be chosen. If that's the case then why do you need to preach your beliefs? Your religion cannot be evangelical, and if you believe that the rest of us are doomed without hope then why not just leave us to our herecies until Judgement Day?

Because Calvin (and Calvinism) demands that VoteEarly bring the reprobate to be burned alive, as Calvin showed his followers by example.

It's his job to judge and kill - not God's, by Calvin's example.

Because Calvin (and Calvinism) demands that VoteEarly bring the reprobate to be burned alive, as Calvin showed his followers by example.

It's his job to judge and kill - not God's, by Calvin's example.

But he's not going to kill anyone over the internet is he?
(said while looking around nervously)

Because Calvin (and Calvinism) demands that VoteEarly bring the reprobate to be burned alive, as Calvin showed his followers by example.

It's his job to judge and kill - not God's, by Calvin's example.

By the way, have you seen the movie "Frailty"? I was not aware of Calvinistic beliefs before this, but this discussion brings that movie to mind.

If you haven't seen it, it is definitely a good watch.

Quit calling me an atheist, and didn't I ask you politely to either stop lying and baiting me, or leave my thread?

Well, calling a devout Calvinist an atheist, is about the worst insult you can lay against me. Please extricate yourself from my thread.

I didn't "call you" an atheist.. I said I think you are one.

And, I do... this all looks like an act, to me. And not a very well thought-out one, since you keep leaving holes to drop yourself in... and then attempt to brush them away later by simply claiming it 'didn't happen'... although the evidence, unfortunately for you... still remains.

So - I haven't lied... I DO think you are an Atheist.

And, I am ONLY baiting you, if you think that is somehow bait.

Examine for a moment that you have called every other user in this thread a 'reprobate', and perhaps you will understand why I do not expect a flutter of violins at you not liking it, that I think you are a closet Atheist.

Perhaps you are not an Atheist... but that is the appearance you are giving... someone who has lost their faith, and is striking out.

Oh yeah well i found a image of the Virgin Mary in my mac n' cheese......

People want to hear things that make them feel all warm and cute inside, so they can go about their sinning and feel that God actually loves them and will forgive them, even though in their hearts, they don't ask for it. They pay lip service to God, and nominally ask for forgiveness.


And who is without sin, VoteEarly? You?

Surely there must have been one of the Elect present when Jesus asked the question?

Wasn't Jesus certainly one of the Elect? Why then did he not burn the prostitute at the stake? Why did he not stone her to death?

Whose example shall I follow - the example of Jesus, or the example of Calvin?

I feel I must mention my admiration of the skill with which VoteEarly ignores so many posts too.... absolutely incredible!
Seriously, its fantastic that he can sidestep so many crippling arguaments by simply pulling the "I'm right and you're wrong" card or merely ignoring it... I believe this deserves our respect... we should make a statue in his honour!

Well if he was like that then he would not be a true atheist and would not embrace any of the normal philosophies of atheists, who are happy to lose their faith.

Depends on the manner of the conversion....

I was happy to lose my faith, because I had lost faith in what religion was offering me.

I was already taking account of my own actions, etc.

Some people, though... must lose their faith in god, but have no 'backup' mechanism... they'd be suddenly left high-and-dry. Nobody to forgive all their petty evils, nobody to sheild them from life...

I'd imagine that could make some people pretty sad, and pretty vengeful.

In fact, Vote, one might go through the New Testament, and count the number of times that Jesus strikes someone dead, or curses them with disease, or beats them senseless, or burns them alive with fire.

Then we should go through and count how many times he was merciful and forgiving - how many people were cured of disease - were spared from the retribution of the crowd - were raised from the dead - or who were cured of madness.

A few q's

1. Who is this God Calvin we speak of?
2. Why is Calvin's Word any less legitimate than VoteEarly's?
3. Did you eat the mac n' cheese?

A few q's

1. Who is this God Calvin we speak of?
2. Why is Calvin's Word any less legitimate than VoteEarly's?
3. Did you eat the mac n' cheese?

John Calvin, infamous killer of anyone who disagreed with him, usually by burning them alive. Also known as the Pope of Geneva.

Not a God, just another man.

John Calvin, infamous killer of anyone who disagreed with him, usually by burning them alive. Also known as the Pope of Geneva.

Not a God, just another man.

If he's not a God, then why do people worship him?

A few q's

1. Who is this God Calvin we speak of?
2. Why is Calvin's Word any less legitimate than VoteEarly's?
3. Did you eat the mac n' cheese?


John Calvin from the Catholic Encyclopedia (link) (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03195b.htm) I haven't read it all, but I think it'll be a relatively full view rather than total demonisation or making him out to be a saint

It i no less legitimate than VoteEarly's word.... however I wouldn't claim to be giving his words much legitimacy either

No... McDonalds food turns me into a flesh eating demon :P

Would that be how you got your name? And anyway, what's the point of serving a psychotic god who has ADHD?
Comment on the weapons- I can hook you up on some Molotovs, but first you must go through the terrible trial of cleaning out the basement of my house. Minigun- good choice, but I didn't know it was legal to have them. Got any AK-47s? They were probably made by godless peoples.

If he's not a God, then why do people worship him?

Jesus wasnt a god....

And who is without sin, VoteEarly? You?

Surely there must have been one of the Elect present when Jesus asked the question?

Wasn't Jesus certainly one of the Elect? Why then did he not burn the prostitute at the stake? Why did he not stone her to death?

Whose example shall I follow - the example of Jesus, or the example of Calvin?


She was obviously Elected to be saved. Prostitutes can be Elected to be saved, and as we say, she became a follower of Christ. Predestination is what it was.

Because Calvin (and Calvinism) demands that VoteEarly bring the reprobate to be burned alive, as Calvin showed his followers by example.

It's his job to judge and kill - not God's, by Calvin's example.



No, never did I say that and it is God's job to extract revenge against the Reprobate. But the Elect are permitted and indeed encouraged to mock the Reprobate here on Earth.

Hey VoteEarly, you haven't responded to anything else I've said to you on this thread but I hope you respond to this. I just read something you said here that God does not choose the Elect out of their faith or their personality, but some are predestined to be chosen. If that's the case then why do you need to preach your beliefs? Your religion cannot be evangelical, and if you believe that the rest of us are doomed without hope then why not just leave us to our herecies until Judgement Day?



We don't evangelize, we believe it to be a waste of time. You'll likely never see a Calvinist, or at least true Calvinist, missionary mission in say Africa or Asia or anywhere else really. They just go around preaching to those who will listen, for only the Elect will listen.

No, never did I say that and it is God's job to extract revenge against the Reprobate. But the Elect are permitted and indeed encouraged to mock the Reprobate here on Earth.
VoteEarly, that so wrong man in so many ways. Thats not what that verse in Proverbs is about at all.

Well, I personally cannot follow Calvinism. If its doctrines are in fact correct, then oh well. If God's an jerk, I'd rather be on the other side anyway.

To me, the most important part of the bible is as follows "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

I think Calvin was a very intelligent fellow, however, I believe he was incorrect. He also had members of my religion burned at the stake, which is something hard to forgive.

Blessed are the merciful, for mercy shall be theirs.

According to Calvinism, it doesn't matter what the fuck you do, you're still saved. You can be out bitchin' and whorin' all day long everyday, rape children, and watch Orlando Bloom movies and you've still got a free ticket to heaven, whether you repent of your sins or not.

According to Calvinism, it doesn't matter what the fuck you do, you're still saved. You can be out bitchin' and whorin' all day long everyday, rape children, and watch Orlando Bloom movies and you've still got a free ticket to heaven, whether you repent of your sins or not.


Then obviously you don't understand Calvinism as I do. I look to Calvinism for a reason to condemn evil (rapists, murderers, etc). Not as an excuse to commit evil. You are taking everything to the extreme.

Your idea of Calvinism, then, is not the same as my idea of Calvinism.

Then obviously you don't understand Calvinism as I do. I look to Calvinism for a reason to condemn evil (rapists, murderers, etc). Not as an excuse to commit evil. You are taking everything to the extreme.

Your idea of Calvinism, then, is not the same as my idea of Calvinism.
Then I am definantly glad of that. The belief I mentioned above is one that far too many people subscribe too, IMO.

The repeated message throughout the Bible is that God is love. Paul says that God desires that all could be saved. How do you reconcile that with your beliefs?

" Indeed, if man were not free, he could not be accountable either for his thoughts, word, or actions. If he were not free, he would not be capable either of reward or punishment; he would be incapable either of virtue or vice, of being either morally good or bad. If he had no more freedom than the sun, the moon, or the stars, he would be no more accountable than them. On supposition that he had no more freedom than them, the stones of the earth would be as capable of reward, and as liable to punishment, as man: One would be as accountable as the other. Yea, and it would be as absurd to ascribe either virtue or vice to him as to ascribe it to the stock of a tree. "
-John Wesley, founder of the Methodist Church and a bitter opponent of the doctrine of predestination

The repeated message throughout the Bible is that God is love. Paul says that God desires that all could be saved. How do you reconcile that with your beliefs?

All be saved? Surely not!


Matthew 12:32

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Right there! Anybody who speaks against the Holy Spirit shall NOT be forgiven, NOT, they will be damned into Hell! That immediately knocks to hell this false notion that God loves and forgives anybody and everybody! "Shall not be forgiven!"

All be saved? Surely not!


Matthew 12:32

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Right there! Anybody who speaks against the Holy Spirit shall NOT be forgiven, NOT, they will be damned into Hell! That immediately knocks to hell this false notion that God loves and forgives anybody and everybody! "Shall not be forgiven!"

I said that he desired this. This blasphemy of the holy spirit is a state of mind, IMO. Use a different translation than the King James. It has been shown to be the most different in meaning from all other versions.

All be saved? Surely not!


Matthew 12:32

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Right there! Anybody who speaks against the Holy Spirit shall NOT be forgiven, NOT, they will be damned into Hell! That immediately knocks to hell this false notion that God loves and forgives anybody and everybody! "Shall not be forgiven!"

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
"Pride cometh before fall"

Think on these for a while, if you will.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."
"Pride cometh before fall"

Think on these for a while, if you will.

Proverbs 1:25-28

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:



I think God wants us to mock those who turn against Him, it's divine.

Proverbs 1:25-28

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:



I think God wants us to mock those who turn against Him, it's divine.
Okay, he's a troll. That pun is just to horrible to be from a person who isn't trolling.

Proverbs 1:25-28

But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:



I think God wants us to mock those who turn against Him, it's divine.

This passage is referring to wisdom, not salvation. Look at the context.

This is what i was talking about earlier

I, sincerely hope that you will think and pray upon what I have given you. I don't believe that God has called you to prideful and uncompassionate. If you trully believe all others are screwed then you should show pity. That's all I have to say.

Okay, he's a troll. That pun is just to horrible to be from a person who isn't trolling.


I am not a troll, I am 100% behind what I have said. These are my beliefs, if you don't like them, then don't even post in my thread.

I am not a troll, I am 100% behind what I have said. These are my beliefs, if you don't like them, then don't even post in my thread.
Hint: You don't own this board.

Hint: You don't own this board.


Hint: Neither do you. If you don't like me though, don't post in my thread and then complain about me, simply avoid me. If I recall, we always locked heads over Chechnya anyway, didn't we?

Come on people, do you really think that if there is a higher force, IT will favor you if you believe in IT rather than your actions?

So a murdering pedo-necrophiliac that believes in IT is better than a good-willed non-believer in IT's eyes?

That makes no sense at all.

And people who claim that "god spoke to them" are either lying, hallucinating, demented or naive.

And people who claim that "god spoke to them" are either lying, hallucinating, demented or naive.

Or desperate for validation and attention. Feeling the desire to be special, to be better than everyone else.

Personally, God told me to eat a slice of cheesecake. It's true!

"Thou shalt eat of the cake, and the weight therein shall transfer to your bosom, not your behind..."
Or something like that.

(Don't blame me, I ate Maccas. I think they're putting hallucinagens in their food...)

And people who claim that "god spoke to them" are either lying, hallucinating, demented or naive.


You're the sort of person who would have persecuted the prophets of old, for you're blinded to the truth, such that you can't even hear or see the truth of God when it's preached to you, you've been blinded by God. (Read Romans 11:7)

I said that he desired this. This blasphemy of the holy spirit is a state of mind, IMO. Use a different translation than the King James. It has been shown to be the most different in meaning from all other versions.


Which translation would you suggest? I prefer King James 1611.

Since your other thread was locked I thought we might discuss your beliefs in this thread, VE, DecA, or whatever you like to be called.

Since your other thread was locked I thought we might discuss your beliefs in this thread, VE, DecA, or whatever you like to be called.


Here I am, if you have a question, go on, shoot, I'll answer to the best of my abilities.

Here I am, if you have a question, go on, shoot, I'll answer to the best of my abilities.

Do you see any signs of Election in your own life? If so, what are they?

VoteEarly, why do you run off to moderation every chance you get? You know that putting something like this will annoy people, even if it is your beliefs. If you feel very strongly about these beliefs, why not respond to the mildly agressive posts you get in response, rather than trying to get as many people as possible in trouble with the mods?
he runs off to moderation because he doesn't like when people expose the fact that his topics are nothing more than attention-whoring. the only thing he feels strongly about is that people should be paying attention to him; witness the proof in his recent topic claiming that everybody should care about his ethnicity, sexual orientation, and religion. he doesn't believe in anything more strongly than he believes in his own importance.

Do you see any signs of Election in your own life? If so, what are they?


I was irresistibly pulled unto God, away from a life of spiritual void and emptiness, and given the gift of Faith. (Faith is something only bestowed upon the Elect). It is a gift from God, if you have faith, it means the Grace of God is upon you. (I've covered this with biblical passages before, I'm a bit too tired to go find it. But I will produce a passage right in front of me now since my bible is open to it, it confirms Unconditional Election)


Romans 9:22-23 (NIV)

What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction?

What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory.



My commentaries on that, well see, God has made many the objects of his hatred and wrath and a tiny few the objects of His love and mercy. In this way, He makes his power known to the world by showing what happens to those He hates. And then He makes His mercy known to the world by showing what happens to those He loves. Election is Unconditional and totally arbitrary.

he runs off to moderation because he doesn't like when people expose the fact that his topics are nothing more than attention-whoring. the only thing he feels strongly about is that people should be paying attention to him; witness the proof in his recent topic claiming that everybody should care about his ethnicity, sexual orientation, and religion. he doesn't believe in anything more strongly than he believes in his own importance.

So everybody who made a thread about why their race, etc, wasn't important, they're okay though?

Anyway, I've had my fill of you, I'm not going to be replying to anything else you say.

And no, I don't just want attention, you just can't imagine why anybody would believe something you disagree with.

I was irresistibly pulled unto God, away from a life of spiritual void and emptiness, and given the gift of Faith. (Faith is something only bestowed upon the Elect). It is a gift from God, if you have faith, it means the Grace of God is upon you.

Well, yes. I was talking about more specific events in your life. Do you see God working in your own life in specific ways to ensure your Election?

(I've covered this with biblical passages before, I'm a bit too tired to go find it. But I will produce a passage right in front of me now since my bible is open to it, it confirms Unconditional Election)


Romans 9:22-23 (NIV)

What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction?

What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory.

My commentaries on that, well see, God has made many the objects of his hatred and wrath and a tiny few the objects of His love and mercy. In this way, He makes his power known to the world by showing what happens to those He hates. And then He makes His mercy known to the world by showing what happens to those He loves. Election is Unconditional and totally arbitrary.

I'm not concerned about scriptural justifications at this point.

Well, yes. I was talking about more specific events in your life. Do you see God working in your own life in specific ways to ensure your Election?



I'm not concerned about scriptural justifications at this point.


Yes, I do indeed see it. Since God kept me in my youth from engaging in sinful fornication, drugs, etc, it was as though it had to have been predestinated that I not do any of that. For we men are weak, but with God I found my strength. God assures that His Elect will persevere.


If you'd like to see what exactly I had to deal with in my youth, I'll go point you to this link.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=400512


I think it starts around page 2-3 and goes on for a while (we really did sort of get that thread off-topic, but anyway.

Stuff like the below link, is discussed in the thread linked above
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8294779&postcount=44



Despite all my weaknesses and at times faltering will power (I never did give in though) God predestinated me to remain clean, and for that, I take that as a powerful sign of my Election.

Well, yes. I was talking about more specific events in your life. Do you see God working in your own life in specific ways to ensure your Election?



I'm not concerned about scriptural justifications at this point.



Also, I'd like to answer a few things I don't have the chance to since the other thread is locked.

Anyway, in regards to folks thinking that if they're Elect, they can run around raping, killing, stealing, robbing, being gay, etc. I would say that by the very nature of such sins, it would be evidence that they are indeed Reprobate, and not Elect.

God would not Elect men and then make them commit damnable sins, at least not as I understand it, but I could be wrong, I'm not as versed in the bible as I ought to be.

But the way I see it, the Elect are basically an island of righteous folks, surrounded by an ocean of sinners and sociopaths.

Elect will live upright lives and keep the laws of God. For God would not Elect one and then have the one He elects disobey His laws at every chance, like many folks seem to do.

Anyway, in regards to folks thinking that if they're Elect, they can run around raping, killing, stealing, robbing, being gay, etc. I would say that by the very nature of such sins, it would be evidence that they are indeed Reprobate, and not Elect.

God would not Elect men and then make them commit damnable sins, at least not as I understand it, but I could be wrong, I'm not as versed in the bible as I ought to be.

Isn't this the central question of Johnathan Hogg's 1824 Calvinist novel The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner?

VoteEarly, do you consider yourself to be free of sin?

Something I really hate, is how folks suggest Calvinists will go around killing and raping, whilst shouting, "I'm Elect, God saves me no matter what!"

I have NEVER seen such an attitude by any Calvinists. Indeed the Puritans in America did not go around raping and killing Non-Calvinists or even their own whom they may have disliked or considered Reprobate (although the witch burnings were a noteworthy exception to this, but by all accounts, the accused were really witches).

Anyway, they gained a purpose out of their faith, the faith which was a gift from God, and they used the laws of God to live an upright and moral life. But remember, man is never justified (saved) by works, but only by Grace. But as I believe it, if God Elect's you, He will also be seeing to it that you live an upright life. If you are a queer, rapist, murderer, idolater, then there is no hope at all that you are one of God's Elect, for as I see it, God would never Elect one who would not obey and keep His laws.

The Election though is totally arbitrary, you don't have to do anything to get Elected, indeed you have no say in the matter. But by being Elected you will be called by God to lead a life that is an example to all, even though the majority will not care that you're an example, they can't see the truth, remember this, most people are evil and are reprobate.

VoteEarly, do you consider yourself to be free of sin?



No, none are free from sin, but I believe Christ died for the sin's of His Elect, of which I am a part of. Thus I have been called unto God and drawn unto God and I have thus repented and shall be forgiven.


(We all suffer from Original Sin, remember that)

No, none are free from sin, but I believe Christ died for the sin's of His Elect, of which I am a part of. Thus I have been called unto God and drawn unto God and I have thus repented and shall be forgiven.


(We all suffer from Original Sin, remember that)

Ok, I was just checking to see if you had delusions of grandeur. I am still concerned about your original post in this thread. Do you consider that a "vision" or a "dream" or just a daydream?

Ok, I was just checking to see if you had delusions of grandeur. I am still concerned about your original post in this thread. Do you consider that a "vision" or a "dream" or just a daydream?


It was a dream, and I believe it was a vision given unto me as a dream.

So you were sleeping when you had that dream, and you wrote down what you remembered after you woke up?

So you were sleeping when you had that dream, and you wrote down what you remembered after you woke up?


Correct. But I should like to add, I was able to vividly recall it all after I woke up, as though seeing it again.

Have you ever dreamed like that (a vision) in the past? If so, have any of your vision dreams ever come true?

Have you ever dreamed like that (a vision) in the past? If so, have any of your vision dreams ever come true?



Yes, but they involve personal/family matters which are things I will be keeping to myself/within the family.

John 3:16 - 17
For God so Loved the World that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal Life. For God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the World, but to Save the World through Him.

Regards,
Gaar

Romans 4:13 - 17
It was not through Law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the World, but through the righteousness that comes by Faith. For if those who live by the Law are heirs, Faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because Law brings wrath. And where there is no Law there is no transgression.

Therefore, the promise comes by Faith, so that it may be by Grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring-not only those who are of the Law but also to those who are of the Faith of Abraham. He is the Father of us all. As it is written: "I have made you a Father of many Nations."

Then obviously you don't understand Calvinism as I do. I look to Calvinism for a reason to condemn evil (rapists, murderers, etc). Not as an excuse to commit evil. You are taking everything to the extreme.

Your idea of Calvinism, then, is not the same as my idea of Calvinism.

You NEED Calvinism to tell you that Rape is wrong?

Previously, I thought you a troll...

Now, I pity you...

No, none are free from sin, but I believe Christ died for the sin's of His Elect, of which I am a part of. Thus I have been called unto God and drawn unto God and I have thus repented and shall be forgiven.


(We all suffer from Original Sin, remember that)

Surely, "Original Sin" was cleansed in the blood at Calvary?

You NEED Calvinism to tell you that Rape is wrong?

Previously, I thought you a troll...

Now, I pity you...


Obviously most people need to be told what is right and wrong, and how to live and act, or else we wouldn't see such massive crime rates.

I'm not a troll, and I don't want your pity.

Surely, "Original Sin" was cleansed in the blood at Calvary?


Sadly, it has not. If it was, the mere fact men and women are still in a pit of depravity today, would imply Christ's death was in vain. Christ only died for the sins of the Elect. If He died for all, the mere fact that not all live a good and righteous life, would seem to suggest His death was in vain. But it was not, since He did not die for all, "But for some".

You're the sort of person who would have persecuted the prophets of old, for you're blinded to the truth, such that you can't even hear or see the truth of God when it's preached to you, you've been blinded by God. (Read Romans 11:7)

Is that to say that, unlike the person you were just referring to, YOU would not only not persecute, but would believe anyone who said God talked to them personally? Especially on an online forum.

When I don't believe you, is that persecuting you? I don't think so. Instead you assume that anyone who doesn't believe you - which frankly is a lot of people - would be the "persecuting" sort.

You're the sort of person who's got so much ego you name it God. Fair statement?

Sadly, it has not. If it was, the mere fact men and women are still in a pit of depravity today, would imply Christ's death was in vain. Christ only died for the sins of the Elect. If He died for all, the mere fact that not all live a good and righteous life, would seem to suggest His death was in vain. But it was not, since He did not die for all, "But for some".

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2).

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).

"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2).

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).


So you point out 2 passages from John, whereas I have pointed out probably 100 from a dozen different books of the Old Testament, all of the Gospels, letters, etc. The general idea of Christ's message is still a woe unto the world.


Matthew 18:7
Woe unto the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh!


God hates some men so much, He makes them sin, it must cometh.

Obviously most people need to be told what is right and wrong, and how to live and act, or else we wouldn't see such massive crime rates.

I'm not a troll, and I don't want your pity.

Let me walk you through it slowly.... (would you be offended if I ask how old you are?)

" I look to Calvinism for a reason to condemn evil (rapists, murderers, etc"

See, I am not giving you space to use your decadent weasel-words to escape... you cannot disclaim saying something, if I post it IN my reply...

You say you "look to Calvinism for a reason to condemn evil"...

It doesn't take a linguistic expert to see the 'meaning'... if you NEED religion (of any manner) to give you REASONS to condemn evil... then that means you lack reasons of your own... thus - you are at BEST, part of the problem - and at worst - well, the problem, itself.

If you NEED Calvinism to help you condemn Rape - then you are already a flawed character. I need no such emotional 'crutch' to see that rape is CLEARLY not a 'good' thing.


Secondly - let's look at something you just said - that actually lends weight to my argument that you are a troll, MASQUERADING as a Calvinist.

"Obviously most people need to be told what is right and wrong, and how to live and act, or else we wouldn't see such massive crime rates".

Which is insensible, after you have already claimed that most people are PREDESTINED to sin, and to die 'reprobate'.

Effectively - you CLAIM to believe in an 'Elect', but then proceed to admit to evangelism... "...most people need to be told...".

I still suspect you are a troll, really... I just think you are also confused.

And, my friend (after some of your comments), you have my pity, whether you wish it or not.

So you point out 2 passages from John, whereas I have pointed out probably 100 from a dozen different books of the Old Testament, all of the Gospels, letters, etc. The general idea of Christ's message is still a woe unto the world.

The lesson to be learned from all this is that the Bible contradicts itself and is false.

Let me walk you through it slowly.... (would you be offended if I ask how old you are?)



See, I am not giving you space to use your decadent weasel-words to escape... you cannot disclaim saying something, if I post it IN my reply...

You say you "look to Calvinism for a reason to condemn evil"...

It doesn't take a linguistic expert to see the 'meaning'... if you NEED religion (of any manner) to give you REASONS to condemn evil... then that means you lack reasons of your own... thus - you are at BEST, part of the problem - and at worst - well, the problem, itself.

If you NEED Calvinism to help you condemn Rape - then you are already a flawed character. I need no such emotional 'crutch' to see that rape is CLEARLY not a 'good' thing.


Secondly - let's look at something you just said - that actually lends weight to my argument that you are a troll, MASQUERADING as a Calvinist.



Which is insensible, after you have already claimed that most people are PREDESTINED to sin, and to die 'reprobate'.

Effectively - you CLAIM to believe in an 'Elect', but then proceed to admit to evangelism... "...most people need to be told...".

I still suspect you are a troll, really... I just think you are also confused.

And, my friend (after some of your comments), you have my pity, whether you wish it or not.



You're on my ignore list, I'm not going to be insulted by somebody who hates the faith I believe in, and so makes ad hominem attacks against me. Suggesting I need religion to tell me what is right and wrong. No! That is not the case, Calvinism is the ultimate religion of justice, for if you believe in it, than indeed you believe that sinners will be punished for their misdeeds. If you wish to subscribe to a false religion (Catholicism, Arminian Protestantism, etc) then you believe God hands out forgiveness like Satan Claus hands out candy canes.

In your heaven, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are sitting around and chit-chatting with God. In my heaven, only the Elect, the righteous upright beings are there.

Why would God elect an occultist? Why would God elect a communist anti-Christian? And finally, why would God elect a godless communist.

If you are Elected, it will be evidenced by powerful signs and actions in your life.

Sadly, it has not. If it was, the mere fact men and women are still in a pit of depravity today, would imply Christ's death was in vain. Christ only died for the sins of the Elect. If He died for all, the mere fact that not all live a good and righteous life, would seem to suggest His death was in vain. But it was not, since He did not die for all, "But for some".

First: I have seen mention (by yourself) in this very forum, that you also partake in depravity.

You have admitted to writing lewd documents... which is 'depravity', even if you have thus far been restrained from (or unable, or too intimidated), actively following through on your desires.

Second: If Original Sin has NOT been cleansed in the blood of Christ, then you are tainted by sin - just as everyone else. Jesus' blood did not spill on a select few - it fell 'on the earth'. Either ALL are covered in the blood of the lamb, or none.

Whether or not you claim 'Election', doesn't alter the fact that Jesus said he came for all, and died for all.

Strangely - since you are (admittedly, by your own words) 'a pornographer', and I am not... one has to assume that I, of the two of us, is ACTUALLY the 'elect', and you are merely the messenger.

Curious - how do you feel now that you are proved to be 'reprobate'?

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4).

"Who (speaking of Christ) gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:6).

"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead" (2 Corinthians 5:14).

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9).

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30).

"Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life (Romans 5:18).

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).

The word "world" (cosmos) as used in the greek Bible means the whole earth and everyone on it. It is never used in the Bible as referring to God's elect. The word "all" is all inclusive. "All men" encompasses every man.

"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4).

"Who (speaking of Christ) gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:6).

"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead" (2 Corinthians 5:14).

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9).

"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30).

"Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life (Romans 5:18).

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).

The word "world" (cosmos) as used in the greek Bible means the whole earth and everyone on it. It is never used in the Bible as referring to God's elect. The word "all" is all inclusive. "All men" encompasses every man.


I've produced just as many, if not more, where it says Christ came only for the Elect, died only for the Elect, and that God's eternal hatred is fixed against those He doesn't Elect...

You're on my ignore list, I'm not going to be insulted by somebody who hates the faith I believe in, and so make ad hominem attacks against me. Suggesting I need religion to tell me what is right and wrong. No! That is not the case, Calvinism is the ultimate religion of justice, for if you believe in it, than indeed you believe that sinners will be punished for their misdeeds. If you wish to subscribe to a false religion (Catholicism, Arminian Protestantism, etc) then you believe God hands out forgiveness like Satan Claus hands out candy canes.

In your heaven, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are sitting around and chit-chatting with God. In my heaven, only the Elect, the righteous upright beings are there.

Why would God elect an occultist? Why would God elect a communist anti-Christian? And finally, why would God elect a godless communist.

If you are Elected, it will be evidenced by powerful signs and actions in your life.

Second time you have claimed 'ad hominem'. Still wrong... I wonder if you understand what the term means.

I didn't 'suggest you needed religion'. You CLEARLY said it, in as many words, and I included those words in my response.

Ignore me if you wish - I have shown you your own demons, and you do not like what you see.

If you wish to claim that ALL other religions are false, where is the evidence that you feel PROVES yours true?

If it is just that happy vengeful rush - that isn't just reserved for Calvinists.

Oh well, you will have no answer for any of my points in THIS post, just as you have failed to answer satisfactorily ANY of my posts.

Probably just as well you are ignoring me... at least now you don't have to see your own words making a liar of you.

First: I have seen mention (by yourself) in this very forum, that you also partake in depravity.

You have admitted to writing lewd documents... which is 'depravity', even if you have thus far been restrained from (or unable, or too intimidated), actively following through on your desires.

Second: If Original Sin has NOT been cleansed in the blood of Christ, then you are tainted by sin - just as everyone else. Jesus' blood did not spill on a select few - it fell 'on the earth'. Either ALL are covered in the blood of the lamb, or none.

Whether or not you claim 'Election', doesn't alter the fact that Jesus said he came for all, and died for all.

Strangely - since you are (admittedly, by your own words) 'a pornographer', and I am not... one has to assume that I, of the two of us, is ACTUALLY the 'elect', and you are merely the messenger.

Curious - how do you feel now that you are proved to be 'reprobate'?

Christ died for the Elect, of which I am a part of. You are a godless atheist and Christ did not die for you. I am Elect and God will pull me into heaven, period. I am drawn to God, and to put it bluntly, "Once saved, always saved." I have been saved and thus am always saved. You sir, have never been saved, and you never will be saved, and you writhe in agony for all eternity in the pits of hell.

You dare call me a Reprobate, when that term so fits you like a glove, and it is something I am not. You've proven nothing other than your total lack of a moral compass, your lack of Election, and your status as a hellbound heretical reprobate.

The law of God does not tell us what to write and what not to write, and regardless, I cite "Once saved always saved." Even If I did write something that was against the law of God, I am saved, period.

Anyway, you sir, are one of the sort Christ spoke of, who would "If possible, deceive the very elect." But you sir have failed, I am not deceived, I am if anything, made more aware of my Election, and more aware of your Reprobation.

And if you think God forbids writing about sex, see the Song of Solomon.

So you point out 2 passages from John, whereas I have pointed out probably 100 from a dozen different books of the Old Testament, all of the Gospels, letters, etc.

It is sad that you attempt to tie together EVERY use of the word 'elect', or 'elected' - as though they must all be referring to the same thing.

You realise, of course, that George W Bush is the 'Elected' President?

I've produced just as many, if not more, where it says Christ came only for the Elect, died only for the Elect, and that God's eternal hatred is fixed against those He doesn't Elect...

And, it is JUST AS CLEAR, from the scripture - that the 'elect' to which Jesus refers, is ALL who come to him for salvation.

I've produced just as many, if not more, where it says Christ came only for the Elect, died only for the Elect, and that God's eternal hatred is fixed against those He doesn't Elect...

"This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4

"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men." Titus 2:11

And, it is JUST AS CLEAR, from the scripture - that the 'elect' to which Jesus refers, is ALL who come to him for salvation.


Whatever, I've pointed out in Romans where it clearly defines who the Elect are (Those that it pleased God to Elect) and who the Reprobate are (Those that it pleased God to Hate). You just can't stand the notion that God hates people, because you have a very uneasy feeling deep inside you, that you're one of those people God hates.

Your future is bleak and you can't stand it, so you invent a silly little fable that Jesus died for all and God loves and forgives all. You hear what your itching ears seek to hear, and nothing else.


Timothy 4:2-4
2the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

"This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." 1 Timothy 2:3-4

"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men." Titus 2:11


Romans 9:22-23

22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction?

23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory–

Christ died for the Elect, of which I am a part of. You are a godless atheist and Christ did not die for you. I am Elect and God will pull me into heaven, period. I am drawn to God, and to put it bluntly, "Once saved, always saved." I have been saved and thus am always saved. You sir, have never been saved, and you never will be saved, and you writhe in agony for all eternity in the pits of hell.

You dare call me a Reprobate, when that term so fits you like a glove, and it is something I am not. You've proven nothing other than your total lack of a moral compass, your lack of Election, and your status as a hellbound heretical reprobate.

The law of God does not tell us what to write and what not to write, and regardless, I cite "Once saved always saved." Even If I did write something that was against the law of God, I am saved, period.

Anyway, you sir, are one of the sort Christ spoke of, who would "If possible, deceive the very elect." But you sir have failed, I am not deceived, I am if anything, made more aware of my Election, and more aware of your Reprobation.

And if you think God forbids writing about sex, see the Song of Solomon.

Actually - if you had even taken a second to read any of my other posts, on this very forum - you would see that I am "saved".

Bad assumption to make, but you know what they say about 'assume'...

Do you realise that calling me 'reprobate', AND 'hellbound' in the same sentence, is entirely redundant... since 'reprobate' literally MEANS 'hellbound'?

Curious - either way - since you claim to be 'saved', and I KNOW I was saved... so one has to assume that you and I will either BOTH be dead after our living days... or will be continuing this conversation in some other venue.

I don't think I DID call you a reprobate - I just showed that your own words declare you to be 'reprobate'. It saddens me that you cannot stand to be tarred with the same brush you have been using...

Curiously - I am drawn to that last paragraph... "Even If I did write something that was against the law of God, I am saved... ...I am... ...more aware of my Election, and more aware of your Reprobation".

Since you claim to be 'saved', and I know I am 'saved' - something here is making a liar of you... If I am Reprobate, then so are you... since both are 'saved'. If I am 'elect', then so are you... since both are saved.

So - either you are reprobate, as evidenced by your sins...

Or I am 'elect'... in which case I cannot be the 'deciever' you claim for me.


Finally - I didn't say that 'god' had forbidden writing about sex.

You, my friend.. are not the author of the "Song of Solomon".

There is a difference between tawdry hedonism, and the inspired scripture.

Unless, of course, you now choose to claim that the Bible itself is somehow heretical?

This is MY revelation, a vision God gifted me with.
Sounds like you copied Revelation and then tampered with it to me. That's a sin, btw.

Romans 9:22-23

22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction?

23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory–

"Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." Romans 6:3-4

Sounds like you copied Revelation and then tampered with it to me. That's a sin, btw.


Nope, I didn't do it, I honestly had a dream, the followers of God were armed with G-3, MP-5s, and Fn-Fal rifles. It was very clear and very evident it was not the Revelation of John that I was just having a different dream version of. Oh, and they were wearing BDUs.

The devil can quote scripture to suit his purposes.

(I'm having the feeling that my comments are going ignored here. Is it because I'm not taking part in the My God Has a Bigger Dick, the Bible Says So argument?)

"Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life." Romans 6:3-4



Romans 9:10-15
10Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad–in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls–she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”

Whatever, I've pointed out in Romans where it clearly defines who the Elect are (Those that it pleased God to Elect) and who the Reprobate are (Those that it pleased God to Hate). You just can't stand the notion that God hates people, because you have a very uneasy feeling deep inside you, that you're one of those people God hates.

Your future is bleak and you can't stand it, so you invent a silly little fable that Jesus died for all and God loves and forgives all. You hear what your itching ears seek to hear, and nothing else.


Timothy 4:2-4
2the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

How very 'savage' of you... you seemed to really get some pleasure out of telling me what my fate was...

The difference between you and I, it seems - is that you seem to fear your maker.

When I die, I have no fears about what will become of me, or where I will go.

I do not seek the constant reinforcement of assurance... that I am one of a chosen few, that 'god' will not punish me for my many transgressions.

Maybe I have lived a better life, and thus have less to fear?

Maybe I am less insecure, and thus do not constantly crave outside reinforcement?

Maybe I am just a happier person, and can be content in knowledge of what the world is... rather than piling all my hopes on some eternal torment for every person who ever offended my sensibilities?

You are (not too surprisingly) wrong... and your ad hominem attack that I must have an "uneasy feeling"... or your assertion that I "invent a silly little fable" do not upset me.

To me, they are mere symptoms.

I do find it humourous, however - that the person who has 'written a book of prophecy' on the forum, accuses another of inventing fables. :)

with all due respect, how shall we believe you? Who can tell if you had this or made it up? I've had dreams about being an angel of god for a year, who says that those are not an illusion? Who says I'm not crazy?

Christ died for the Elect, of which I am a part of. You are a godless atheist and Christ did not die for you.
Oh, again... read your Bible - Christ died for everyone. He came for the sinners... Otherwise, there would be no point.
Also, I know you're a Calvinist, so what you believe is different from Christians, but generally it's accepted that Christ demands purity of heart. It's not enough to say "once saved, always saved". If you were truly saved, you'd see it in your life every day, and although there's nothing anyone can do to stop God loving them, that doesn't mean you have the right to go out there and do whatever you want. That's what the Bible says, anyway - but past experience has shown that you don't actually follow Biblical teachings; you tend to twist them to suit your own agenda. That includes insulting people on NS forums. Do you really think what you're doing will help anyone? Do you think God wants you to lose your temper repeatedly and berate people? Have you never read the hundreds of verses in the Bible saying "God is love"?
The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control (Galations chapter 5 verse 22). How many of those do you think you're displaying right now?
Anyway, don't bother flaming at me, VoteEarly, because I'm going to bed. You've had my two cents; now I hope you have the SELF CONTROL to read it without exploding at me, and to consider it. If you don't agree with me, fine. Just don't flame.

The devil can quote scripture to suit his purposes.

(I'm having the feeling that my comments are going ignored here. Is it because I'm not taking part in the My God Has a Bigger Dick, the Bible Says So argument?)

More likely the fact that VoteEarly has a habit of hitting the 'ignore' button, on anything he doesn't like.

More likely the fact that VoteEarly has a habit of hitting the 'ignore' button, on anything he doesn't like.

Or just going "you're not elect, youre going to hell ,nah nah nah nah nah."

And for some reason he seems to think tht "most" of us supposed reprobates are criminals... I love how he throws around the word "most."
"Most women are whores"
"Most people are criminals"
etc etc.

And what's with the obsession with weaponry?
That sort of thing frightens me...

"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" - John 1:29

"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

"That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile–the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:9-13

So you point out 2 passages from John, whereas I have pointed out probably 100 from a dozen different books of the Old Testament, all of the Gospels, letters, etc. The general idea of Christ's message is still a woe unto the world.


And yet...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers%2014:19;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%205:10;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%207:9;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%207:13;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Ki%208:23;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Ki%2010:9;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Nehemiah%201:5;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps%2017:7;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa%2016:5;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mat%205:43%20-%2044;&version=31;

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%205:5;&version=31;

There are Many, MANY more, shall I go on?

Regards,
Gaar

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And what's with the obsession with weaponry?
That sort of thing frightens me...
I think you may have answered your own question there.

And what's with the obsession with weaponry?
That sort of thing frightens me...



Luke 22:36

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.



Weapons are so important, Christ tells us to sell our very clothing, to be able to afford to have at least one. (Actually he tells his disciples when they returned with two, "That is enough."

So you point out 2 passages from John, whereas I have pointed out probably 100 from a dozen different books of the Old Testament, all of the Gospels, letters, etc. The general idea of Christ's message is still a woe unto the world.


Matthew 18:7
Woe unto the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh!


God hates some men so much, He makes them sin, it must cometh.
Where do you get that??? Do you not wonder why Bibles are called GOOD NEWS ?! Maybe because Christ's message IS GOOD NEWS?? He came to save us! Are you so ungrateful? Don't set yourself above others or you'll be in for a fall....
God doesn't hate man. He loves man - He made man, He came to save man! How many Bible verses do you need? Perhaps the change just has to come from your heart, or perhaps you've already hardened it too much.
Edit: Has anyone else noticed how he ignores most stuff that's backed up with Biblical evidence? Stuff he can't argue with, but still declares blindly that he is right?

Where do you get that??? Do you not wonder why Bibles are called GOOD NEWS ?! Maybe because Christ's message IS GOOD NEWS?? He came to save us! Are you so ungrateful? Don't set yourself above others or you'll be in for a fall....
God doesn't hate man. He loves man - He made man, He came to save man! How many Bible verses do you need? Perhaps the change just has to come from your heart, or perhaps you've already hardened it too much.
Edit: Has anyone else noticed how he ignores most stuff that's backed up with Biblical evidence? Stuff he can't argue with, but still declares blindly that he is right?


The bible is good news, good news to the Elect, for indeed only they can even see the truth, the rest will hold to false doctrines of devils (Catholicism, non-Calvinist Protestantism, etc)

I keep citing Romans 11:7



Romans 11:7 (Amplified Bible)
7What then [shall we conclude]? Israel failed to obtain what it sought [God's favor by obedience to the Law]. Only the elect (those chosen few) obtained it, while the rest of them became callously indifferent (blinded, hardened, and made insensible to it).


Romans 11:7 (King James Version)
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.




You are not saved by anything other than being Elect, and the rest (Reprobate) are not only not Elect, they're blinded to the truth, and indeed they hate it. Which is why the non-Elect so vigorously attack Calvinism.

Or just going "you're not elect, youre going to hell ,nah nah nah nah nah."

And for some reason he seems to think tht "most" of us supposed reprobates are criminals... I love how he throws around the word "most."
"Most women are whores"
"Most people are criminals"
etc etc.

And what's with the obsession with weaponry?
That sort of thing frightens me...

Unfortunately - from a psychological point of view, the stockpiling of weapons and 'preparing' for Judgement Day type scenarios, entirely fits in with his admitted 'need' to see others suffer punishment.

It worries me... ESPECIALLY in the context of the minorities he attacks.

Some people sometimes feel the need to expediate divine wrath, if they don't see the 'sinners' suffering soon enough...

Unfortunately - from a psychological point of view, the stockpiling of weapons and 'preparing' for Judgement Day type scenarios, entirely fits in with his admitted 'need' to see others suffer punishment.

It worries me... ESPECIALLY in the context of the minorities he attacks.

Some people sometimes feel the need to expediate divine wrath, if they don't see the 'sinners' suffering soon enough...


The Elect will, in the end times, be used by God, as an instrument to punish the Reprobate. But for now, as a show of resolve and testing, God puts His Elect through great punishment and trials. But in the days of the end times, the Elect will be avenged against the Reprobate.

Luke 22:36

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.



Weapons are so important, Christ tells us to sell our very clothing, to be able to afford to have at least one. (Actually he tells his disciples when they returned with two, "That is enough."

If you had cared to quote it in context... it clearly shows WHY those two swords were required.

(I am, of course, assuming that you even KNOW the context...)

And, note - it was two swords between 12 disciples, not two sword PER MAN.

Only ONE of the swords was actually required - and it was ONLY required so that Jesus could perform a miracle of healing:

Luke 22:49-51 "When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword? And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear... And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him".

So - unless you believe that Jesus will heal any wounds you inflict, or unless youwish to go against Jesus express commandment "Suffer ye thus far" - there is no reason to take that passage as a bidding for you to be armed.

On the contrary - Jesus often spoke against conflict of a violent kind.

Perhaps Jesus was not of the 'elect', then?

The Elect will, in the end times, be used by God, as an instrument to punish the Reprobate. But for now, as a show of resolve and testing, God puts His Elect through great punishment and trials. But in the days of the end times, the Elect will be avenged against the Reprobate.

Is it just me or does the above sound an awful lot like "I think I'm better than everybody else, but my life isn't as good as other people's, so I'm going to indulge my fantasy that I'll get to torment everybody who had it better"?

And no, I really don't think it's just me.

The Elect will, in the end times, be used by God, as an instrument to punish the Reprobate. But for now, as a show of resolve and testing, God puts His Elect through great punishment and trials. But in the days of the end times, the Elect will be avenged against the Reprobate.

Pretty much proves my point.

Just can't wait, can you?

Is it just me or does the above sound an awful lot like "I think I'm better than everybody else, but my life isn't as good as other people's, so I'm going to indulge my fantasy that I'll get to torment everybody who had it better"?

And no, I really don't think it's just me.

Either that, or VoteEarly is pure troll.

The jury, I believe, is still out...

I'm torn between "Bullied teenager", or "troll".

Pretty much proves my point.

Just can't wait, can you?

Well I'm just glad there aren't too many people like him around.

Either that, or VoteEarly is pure troll.

The jury, I believe, is still out...

I'm torn between "Bullied teenager", or "troll".

I think that people who have "revelations" that include everybody they don't like or everybody different from them being utterly destroyed need to find better (i.e. creative) outlets for their aggression. And no, I don't consider their RPing the destruction of those aforementioned groups to be better or all that creative.

Well I'm just glad there aren't too many people like him around.

Just stay away from the Bible Belt of the USA, then.

The area I live in... the little know where North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia all crash into each other... and the surrounding territory... Alabama, Tennessee, etc. is FULL of people like VoteEarly. Most of them, however, keep their glee at "the impending destruction of mankind" private.

I find it very sad that so many people hate their lives so much, that they just cannot wait for the world to end...

I think that people who have "revelations" that include everybody they don't like or everybody different from them being utterly destroyed need to find better (i.e. creative) outlets for their aggression. And no, I don't consider their RPing the destruction of those aforementioned groups to be better or all that creative.
So you're suggesting VoteEarly takes up African drumming, abstract art or pottery? :p

I don't think we should encourage him with the blood sports, considering his violent tendencies and all...

I think that people who have "revelations" that include everybody they don't like or everybody different from them being utterly destroyed need to find better (i.e. creative) outlets for their aggression. And no, I don't consider their RPing the destruction of those aforementioned groups to be better or all that creative.

Personally... I would like to see such people medicated... but, that's just my preference.

Infringement of personal liberty, perhaps.

But, I'd rather infringe the occassional liberty, then have to see bodycounts after another 'tormented soul' goes on another rampage...

So you're suggesting VoteEarly takes up African drumming, abstract art or pottery? :p

I don't think we should encourage him with the blood sports, considering his violent tendencies and all...

Actually - the art thing isn't a bad idea...

Hitler wasn't a BAD artist, and if he'd stuck with it....

Which is why the non-Elect so vigorously attack Calvinism.

It should be attacked, like any other dogma of hate and intolerance. If there were to be a poll, put me down for VE as a bullied teen too.

So you're suggesting VoteEarly takes up African drumming, abstract art or pottery? :p

I don't think we should encourage him with the blood sports, considering his violent tendencies and all...


I really used to like to play schoolyard rugby, but I didn't get along too well with the other kids since fights started too easily.

I think abstract art, or "modern" art, is just garbage. I've written poetry before though, mostly about the coming armageddon and the end times.

Actually - the art thing isn't a bad idea...

Hitler wasn't a BAD artist, and if he'd stuck with it....


Yeah, but he had such trouble with perspective. . . . . :)

Personally... I would like to see such people medicated... but, that's just my preference.

Infringement of personal liberty, perhaps.

But, I'd rather infringe the occassional liberty, then have to see bodycounts after another 'tormented soul' goes on another rampage...


I don't need to be medicated, and if they tried to brainwash me to deceive me into thinking I'm not an Elect, then it would be, as the scripture says, the end times. For there shall be great tribulation near the end times, and they shall try to deceive even the very Elect.

I really used to like to play schoolyard rugby, but I didn't get along too well with the other kids since fights started too easily.

I think abstract art, or "modern" art, is just garbage. I've written poetry before though, mostly about the coming armageddon and the end times.

"Fights started too easily" and poetry "about the coming armageddon".

Okay. I am no longer torn between two choices.

Yeah, but he had such trouble with perspective. . . . . :)

:)

And his art suffered the same way...

I don't need to be medicated, and if they tried to brainwash me to deceive me into thinking I'm not an Elect, then it would be, as the scripture says, the end times. For there shall be great tribulation near the end times, and they shall try to deceive even the very Elect.

How humourous.

I didn't say that you did need medication.

You volunteered THAT ONE all by yourself.

So, let me get this straight... you just said that if anyone tried to 'medicate you', it would be "the end times'?

What exactly do you mean by that... you'd go on a rampage, and bring judgement on the non-believer?

Or - do you mean that it would be a 'marker' for the end times.. sort of, like a clue?

Which is funny, really - since doesn't that mean you MUST be medicated? Because, if 'they' don't try to 'deceive' the 'elect', then the end times can't happen?

"Fights started too easily" and poetry "about the coming armageddon".

Okay. I am no longer torn between two choices.

*shudder* That's all I have to say.

And why do far far far far right people always think modern art is crap? Because they can't understand it? I love Anselm Kiefer, Jackson Pollock, Dali etc.

Wow. I'm truly impressed at how readily one will accept self-aggrandizing delusions. I mean, I've had them from time to time in the past, but I've always had the mental stability to separate transient fantasies of vengeance from the reality of the world. But then, I don't believe that the Universe centers on me and my faith.

How humourous.

I didn't say that you did need medication.

You volunteered THAT ONE all by yourself.

So, let me get this straight... you just said that if anyone tried to 'medicate you', it would be "the end times'?

What exactly do you mean by that... you'd go on a rampage, and bring judgement on the non-believer?

Or - do you mean that it would be a 'marker' for the end times.. sort of, like a clue?

Which is funny, really - since doesn't that mean you MUST be medicated? Because, if 'they' don't try to 'deceive' the 'elect', then the end times can't happen?


If they try to deceive the Elect, it is the signal from God that the end times are upon us and the final battles must begin.

And lo, God did look down upon his people; those who had suffered in his Name. The end of times had passed and the Elect were drawn near to hear the word of God. And yea, did God speak unto them, his eyes gazing over his chosen, his Elect. His voice ringing clear in the new day did he speak unto them;

"This is My Elect? I want a recount"

Just a revelation I had whilst napping. There was a conga line afterwards and some crazy Hindu music but that just may be indigestion.

If they try to deceive the Elect, it is the signal from God that the end times are upon us and the final battles must begin.

So, people trying to convince others of different viewpoints means that war is justified? How...convenient for you.

Just a revelation I had whilst napping. There was a conga line afterwards and some crazy Hindu music but that just may be indigestion.
Nah, that was just me watching a Bollywood movie. *turns it down*

Luke 22:36

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.



Weapons are so important, Christ tells us to sell our very clothing, to be able to afford to have at least one. (Actually he tells his disciples when they returned with two, "That is enough."

Yes, but only swords.

You get to be a Psycho-Christian Samurai JackAss.

Also, you appearantly have to run around naked in doing so. Ewwww.

Interesting fact: 44 percent of Americans think Jesus will return to Earth in the next 50 years; i.e. 44 percent of Americans think Jesus will fly to Earth like Superman, kill all the bad people, and reign king over the ultimate theocracy. HAHA

Interesting fact: 44 percent of Americans think Jesus will return to Earth in the next 50 years; i.e. 44 percent of Americans think Jesus will fly to Earth like Superman, kill all the bad people, and reign king over the ultimate theocracy. HAHA

What is your source?

Okay, two things.

One. How can you be sure of the accuracy of the Bible. Here's the reason; translation. Example. The New Testament is originaly written down in Aramaic/Hebrew/Greek then put into Latin then put into various languages then put into updated versions of those languages and then the same done again. One mispelled word could screw up the whole sentence or phrase.

Two. This is all a little silly, as I was talking to God just yesterday at the bar. You know just having a few drinks to relax and enjoy the weekend. By the way, God can really put it away. And I asked him about this and all he said was, people believe what they want and some people need something to believe in. He also said he can't wait to see the faces of those people when they get to Heaven and its not what they expect.

He also said he can't wait to see the faces of those people when they get to Heaven and its not what they expect.


You have to read a book called "waiting for the galactic bus" and "the snake oil wars" by parke godwin. They are out of print now but if you can get your hands on them, they are great, funny as hell reads. All about how we came to be. (Drunken college aliens) The sequel is the trial of Jesus for mis-representation--i.e. why is he arab? I can't recommend them enough, steal them if you have to. :)

One. How can you be sure of the accuracy of the Bible. Here's the reason; translation. Example. The New Testament is originaly written down in Aramaic/Hebrew/Greek then put into Latin then put into various languages then put into updated versions of those languages and then the same done again. One mispelled word could screw up the whole sentence or phrase.

Well apparently when the bible was translated from Hebrew to Greek, th Hewbrew word for "young woman" was mistranslated into the Greek word for "virgin."
Hence the Virgin Mary.

Oh, I came across this while reading the bible. It adds more weight to the idea that God hates the sinner, and not just the sin, and that God doesn't love or forgive all.

2 Peter 2:4-10

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons[b] to be held for judgment;
5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)–
9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority.




If God forgave all, loved all, and hated only sin, He would have spared Lucifer damnation into hell, and instead sent only Lucifer's pride into hell. But what did God do? He did what He pleased and willed to do, He damned the infernal beast into Hell for all time!

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No more special brownies for you!

How do you know it wasn't just a really trippy dream? I've had one of those once. Like the one where a parade of midgets threw dixie cups full of acid on the president of the future.

Honestly, why try to even argue with him? The guy thinks he's some sort of Prophet, either that or he's trolling.

And here I thought my dreams of being an Emperor of an interstellar empire were crazy.

Spartan117 343: You know, through that entire thread you never actually said how the hell you know that God likes you and hates most everyone else.
IntratecAB109mm: read the bible
Spartan117 343: Oh, I have
IntratecAB109mm: Romans 9:22-24 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory–

Spartan117 343: And where does it say you are somehow special?
IntratecAB109mm: Romans 11:4-12But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.


IntratecAB109mm: I have realized my Election, and obtained it
Spartan117 343: Romans 11:4-12But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

So God reserved 7000 people, because they did, or rather, did not do something... He didn't go down the line and pick and choose who is hell-bound.
Spartan117 343: You really can't believe predestionation and the bible at the same time...
Spartan117 343: Give it up
IntratecAB109mm: Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.


IntratecAB109mm: he also did predestinate
IntratecAB109mm: ...
IntratecAB109mm: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%209:10-15;&version=45;
IntratecAB109mm: 15For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion (pity) on whom I will have compassion.(C)

Spartan117 343: And there are at least that many verses that say whoever believes in God is saved
IntratecAB109mm: so, the overall theme of the bible supports Calvinism
Spartan117 343: 1 Tim.2:3-4
"God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved."
Spartan117 343: 2 Pet.3:9
"The Lord is ... not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
Spartan117 343: I have verses too you know...
IntratecAB109mm: Matthew 18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!





IntratecAB109mm: Peter 3:3-8 3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men

Spartan117 343: ...
Spartan117 343: You don't think I can read?
Spartan117 343: Those verses are irrelevant.
IntratecAB109mm: as it was in the days of Lot, so too shall it be when the son of Man is revealed to the world.
IntratecAB109mm: they are totally relevant
IntratecAB109mm: they show God's wrath, and hatefulness to the reprobate world.
IntratecAB109mm: out of 20 billion people, he spared only Noah and 7 others.
Spartan117 343: You are really good at proving your insanity.
Spartan117 343: Exactly.
IntratecAB109mm: scoffing at the flood are you? scoffer...
Spartan117 343: Why did he flood the earth? It was evil
Spartan117 343: Not because he chose Noah ahead of time as an "elect".
Spartan117 343: Because Noah was good.
IntratecAB109mm: 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD

IntratecAB109mm: God hates people and loves other people
IntratecAB109mm: good men are only good because God elected them and compels them to be good, to realize their election.
IntratecAB109mm: i gtg, listening to a sermon

This is MY revelation, a vision God gifted me with.

Well I'm not sure who told you, but sometimes sharing isn't caring.

Honestly, why try to even argue with him? The guy thinks he's some sort of Prophet, either that or he's trolling.

And here I thought my dreams of being an Emperor of an interstellar empire were crazy.

They're not crazy, your Highness. Don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise. They're just jealous of you and your power, and afraid that you will crush them like the miserable swine they know in their hearts themselves to be.

CM, you write good fiction. Nice to see you keeping up on your stories.

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So what?

So what?
Yeah, I didn't really get that either. I would like to take this oppritunity to again remid VE to lay off the special brownies.