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English Saxons
23-02-2005, 00:16
In 20 years Europe will be 40% Muslim! :eek:



HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :P.
DontPissUsOff
23-02-2005, 00:17
Dontcha like how your post just goes unanswered.

I'm smart, me! Yay! :D

Aye, I do. It just helps show the laughable ignorance and poor arguing ability of these people. It's all good.
Sinuhue
23-02-2005, 00:18
A traitor to WN, but not a Jew.
Even though you practice the Jewish faith? Isn't that kind of weird? "I'm a Jew, but I'm not Jewish!"
DontPissUsOff
23-02-2005, 00:19
Even though you practice the Jewish faith? Isn't that kind of weird? "I'm a Jew, but I'm not Jewish!"

No stranger than "whites are superior! Except those who don't agree!"
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:19
You'd be confined to Opposing Views at Stormfront by now...

The Jews are the root of the White people's problems.

I don't go on stormfront, or any of those places.

Jews are not responsible for the decline of western culture, the hordes are.
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:20
Dontcha like how your post just goes unanswered.

I don't speak with DPUO.
Naryna
23-02-2005, 00:20
This thread just keeps getting funnier....
Sweetfloss
23-02-2005, 00:22
Not good (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-02/23/content_2606376.htm)

Not good.... I bet most of those 53% born in latin America are illegals. They should be kicked out and sent back to mexico.


Bit of a damning/sweeping statement to raise there isn't it?

Specially since 99% of Americans have decended from Europeans...

But by all means if you're 100% Sioux...
DontPissUsOff
23-02-2005, 00:22
I don't speak with DPUO.

Why, might I ask? Because I've stated that I despise the Far Right wing, that makes me somehow unworthy of your time? Or is it that amusing little episode where, after I provided at least 3 good reasons, you declared what I was doing to be for "OOC reasons," in spite of the fact I clearly stated why I was acting as I was (in and out of character) and have already explained on numerous occasions that I run my nation in much the way I would in RL?
Sinuhue
23-02-2005, 00:24
Jews are very good at deception and squeezing shekels out any way they can, I'll give you that.
Shekels? What century are you living in? And BTW...HAHAHAHAHAA!
Sinuhue
23-02-2005, 00:27
I don't speak with DPUO.
Why not? His/her? Post was pretty reasonable...
Servus Dei
23-02-2005, 00:27
I don't go on stormfront, or any of those places.

Jews are not responsible for the decline of western culture, the hordes are.
The Jew opened the gate.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 00:28
Shekels? What century are you living in? And BTW...HAHAHAHAHAA!
In his defense, the Israeli currency is the New Shekel.
Sinuhue
23-02-2005, 00:28
Good night everyone...and Kahta, Servus Dei...don't go saying anything you'll regret in the morning...
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:30
Good night everyone...and Kahta, Servus Dei...don't go saying anything you'll regret in the morning...

Its only 630!
Bastard-Squad
23-02-2005, 00:30
Foreign-Born? All Americans that are not descended from Native American Indians are descended from European colonists. You "Amercans" long ago persecuted and all but destroyed the only truly Native Americans because they held different beliefs and had a different skin colour to you.

"Yeehaaw" was your state policy then and it is your foreign policy now.
Sweetfloss
23-02-2005, 00:31
Its only 630!

Not in lil ol' England it's not. It's 1130 here. PM that is. Not AM
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:32
The Jew opened the gate.

Thats BS, its misguided businessmen that want the immigrants to keep coming, because the illegals will work for less money.
Servus Dei
23-02-2005, 00:34
Thats BS, its misguided businessmen that want the immigrants to keep coming, because the illegals will work for less money.
The Jews control the media, the corporations, and the government. Of course the Jews want non-White immigrants to keep coming providing them with more cashflow, sitting in their mansions in Occupied Palestine.
Sweetfloss
23-02-2005, 00:36
The Jews control the media, the corporations, and the government. Of course the Jews want non-White immigrants to keep coming providing them with more cashflow, sitting in their mansions in Occupied Palestine.

I can't believe there is so much intolerance of different cultures even today.

Saying "the jews" own everything is ridiculous.

Immigration has been around for hundreds of years. People make it an issue just because they need a scapegoat for their own misfortune.
Khudros
23-02-2005, 00:37
I'm smart, me! Yay! :D

Aye, I do. It just helps show the laughable ignorance and poor arguing ability of these people. It's all good.

You make good points my friend, but the people you are debating don't care much for sensibility. That is part of the reason why they are here in the first place, unleashing their bigotry in these forums. I sincerely hope that your post was copied and pasted, b/c otherwise you have succeeded only in wasting precious moments of your life.

Honestly, I see no reason why you should desire to wade through humanity's cesspools. Ideologies of hatred should be of concern only when they threaten to contaminate a noble soul, and I assure you that is not the case here.

Please, just call it poetic justice and leave it be.
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:39
The Jews control the media, the corporations, and the government. Of course the Jews want non-White immigrants to keep coming providing them with more cashflow, sitting in their mansions in Occupied Palestine.

Rupert Murdoch, and Ted Turner, the two largest media moguls are Jews? Thats news to me.

How about George Bush, and the Republican controlled Congress, Jews have a history of being Democrats.

Corporations? They only get where they are with hard work.
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:40
Why not? His/her? Post was pretty reasonable...


Because I have him on my ignore list for OOCism in RP's. I will however, look at his posts from now on, in General.
Equus
23-02-2005, 00:40
Interesting.

Servus Dei, why is it worse for Jews to "control the media, the corporations, and the government" than it is for rich white men to "control the media, the corporations, and the government"?
Refused Party Program
23-02-2005, 00:41
I wonder...do racists go to sleep or do they stay awake all night stroking a rifle, waiting for the (darker skinned) intruder who isn't coming?
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 00:45
No, you cannot convert to be a Jew,
The Israeli Supreme Court -- not to mention halakhah -- would disagree.
Khudros
23-02-2005, 00:45
Why, might I ask? Because I've stated that I despise the Far Right wing, that makes me somehow unworthy of your time? Or is it that amusing little episode where, after I provided at least 3 good reasons, you declared what I was doing to be for "OOC reasons," in spite of the fact I clearly stated why I was acting as I was (in and out of character) and have already explained on numerous occasions that I run my nation in much the way I would in RL?

:rolleyes:
Must I remind you that you are wasting your time? This guy couldn't fix a straw if it was bent, and I doubt he would listen even if you told him the sky was blue. He's an idiot
:rolleyes:
Servus Dei
23-02-2005, 00:46
Rupert Murdoch, and Ted Turner, the two largest media moguls are Jews? Thats news to me.

The old Jewish power thread... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349094)

Jewish-controlled media outlets, as of 2000:

Walt Disney Company(including Touchstone/BuenaVista),CEO Michael Eisner, Jew
Walt Disney Picture Company(incl. ABC), Joe Roth, Jew
Miramax Films, Weinstein brothers, both Jews
Time Warner Inc., Gerald Levin, Jew
Viacom Inc.(incl. CBS, MTV), Murray Rothstein(aka Sumner Redstone), Jew
Paramount Pictures, Sherry Lansing, Jewess
News Corporation(incl. Fox), Murdoch, TV & Movie production headed by Peter Chernin, Jew;
Sony Corporation of America,Michael Schulhof, Jew
Sony Pictures ,Alan Levine, Jew
New World Entertainment, owner Ronald Perelman, Chairman Brandon Tartikoff, Jews
DreamWorks SKG, David Geffen, Jeffrey Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, Jews
MCA/Universal Pictures Edgar Bronfman (president of World Jewish Congress), Jew
Newsweek/ Washington Post Katherine Meyer Graham, Jewess
U.S. News & World Report/ NY Daily News Mortimer Zuckerman, Jew
Random House Publishing Newhouse, Jew
NBC News, Andrew Lack, Jew
Newhouse Media, incl. 26 newspapers, led by Newhouse family Jews
New York Times/ Boston Globe + 32 other newspapers, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., Jew
Wall Street Journal Peter Kann, Jew

The following are just some of their subsidaries:
Time Magazine
MTV
Nickelodeon
Prentice Hall
Simon & Schuster
Warner Books
Little, Brown
Disney Channel
HBO
Showtime
CNN
Fox News
ABC
NBC
CBS
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 00:46
I wonder...do racists go to sleep or do they stay awake all night stroking a rifle, waiting for the (darker skinned) intruder who isn't coming?
As a firearms enthusiast and RKBA advocate, I resent that.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 00:47
CBS
Which reminds me, there's a new NCIS tonight...
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:48
I wonder...do racists go to sleep or do they stay awake all night stroking a rifle, waiting for the (darker skinned) intruder who isn't coming?

I go to sleep with a club and a knife next to my bed. Someone tried to break into my house one night during december, I was in my room on my computer, and I heard the back screen door open (it makes a creaking sound thats audible throughout the house), but the main door was locked (deadbolted) and about 15 seconds later, I heard the door open again, so I grabbed my knife and club, and went downstairs, turned the light on, and opened the door, but no one was there. I should have looked for footprints on the ground, but I didn't think of it. If it wasn't for my anti-gun mother, who I live with (before you jump on this, I'm a 17 year old high school junior), I'd walked down with a K-98k and 5 rounds in the mag. I'll post a list of guns that I want to get in another thread.
Neo-Anarchists
23-02-2005, 00:50
-snip-
And we all know that every Jew is in contact with all the others, and they're pooling all their money for the Jewish World Domination Fund.
Kahta
23-02-2005, 00:51
snip

Whats your point? Or do you not have one?

You're just one of those WN's that give the rest of them a bad name by being full of hate, not facts.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 00:51
"Then the Jews who make up 20% of Congress, yet make up 2% of the U.S. population"

11 Jewish senators == 11% of the Senate.
26 Jewish representatives == 5.977% of the House of Representatives
37 Jews == 6.91589% of the Congress

...guh?
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 00:51
And we all know that every Jew is in contact with all the others, and they're pooling all their money for the Jewish World Domination Fund.
I knew I shouldn't have sent that cheque in to the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership...
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 00:52
I go to sleep with a club and a knife next to my bed. Someone tried to break into my house one night during december, I was in my room on my computer, and I heard the back screen door open (it makes a creaking sound thats audible throughout the house), but the main door was locked (deadbolted) and about 15 seconds later, I heard the door open again, so I grabbed my knife and club, and went downstairs, turned the light on, and opened the door, but no one was there. I should have looked for footprints on the ground, but I didn't think of it. If it wasn't for my anti-gun mother, who I live with (before you jump on this, I'm a 17 year old high school junior), I'd walked down with a K-98k and 5 rounds in the mag. I'll post a list of guns that I want to get in another thread.
Why the hell would you use an 7.92mm bolt-action rifle for home defense?
Khudros
23-02-2005, 00:53
I go to sleep with a club and a knife next to my bed. Someone tried to break into my house one night during december, I was in my room on my computer, and I heard the back screen door open (it makes a creaking sound thats audible throughout the house), but the main door was locked (deadbolted) and about 15 seconds later, I heard the door open again, so I grabbed my knife and club, and went downstairs, turned the light on, and opened the door, but no one was there. I should have looked for footprints on the ground, but I didn't think of it. If it wasn't for my anti-gun mother, who I live with (before you jump on this, I'm a 17 year old high school junior), I'd walked down with a K-98k and 5 rounds in the mag. I'll post a list of guns that I want to get in another thread.

I don't think he's joking. This guy is schitzoid. Claims there was an intruder and he never even saw anyone...
Sweetfloss
23-02-2005, 00:53
The old Jewish power thread... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349094)

Jewish-controlled media outlets, as of 2000:
...


Sorry but there are tens of thousands of companies in the world - you have listed a tiny minority, who just happen to have a Jewish person working for them. Doesnt mean they own everything ... :rolleyes:

And if a person who happens to folow Judaism runs a well respected company, good for them... although bigots wouldnt accept this
Refused Party Program
23-02-2005, 00:55
I go to sleep with a club and a knife next to my bed. Someone tried to break into my house one night during december, I was in my room on my computer, and I heard the back screen door open (it makes a creaking sound thats audible throughout the house), but the main door was locked (deadbolted) and about 15 seconds later, I heard the door open again, so I grabbed my knife and club, and went downstairs, turned the light on, and opened the door, but no one was there. I should have looked for footprints on the ground, but I didn't think of it. If it wasn't for my anti-gun mother, who I live with (before you jump on this, I'm a 17 year old high school junior), I'd walked down with a K-98k and 5 rounds in the mag. I'll post a list of guns that I want to get in another thread.

1)You have admitted to being a racist.
2)You have admitted extreme paranoia.
3)You justify your paranoia with fabrications.

If the story is true (okay, let's pretend), could it not simply be that you were mistaken and you didn't hear the door being opened but in your rabid state of "alertness" (mouth foaming, no doubt), you mistook another sound for that of the door opening?
Equus
23-02-2005, 00:55
The old Jewish power thread... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349094)

Jewish-controlled media outlets, as of 2000:

[snip for brevity]


A rhetorical follow up question for Servus Dei:

As supporters of a capitalist, free market economy, shouldn't we be celebrating the successes of the rich and powerful as examples of what is possible if you are industrious?
CSW
23-02-2005, 01:11
11 Jewish senators == 11% of the Senate.
26 Jewish representatives == 5.977% of the House of Representatives
37 Jews == 6.91589% of the Congress

...guh?
11+6=17. We've had this discussion before.

(Yes, we really have. Yes, that's what SD said.)
Kahta
23-02-2005, 01:20
Why the hell would you use an 7.92mm bolt-action rifle for home defense?

Because it killed people defending their country against the communist hoardes, and I'll use it to defend my house against low class hoardes trying to take my possesions.

Actually, I'd rather use a shotgun, maybe a Mossberg 500, with slugs, that'll stop anyone trying to break in.
Refused Party Program
23-02-2005, 01:22
Because it killed people defending their country against the communist hoardes, and I'll use it to defend my house against low class hoardes trying to take my possesions.

Actually, I'd rather use a shotgun, maybe a Mossberg 500, with slugs, that'll stop anyone trying to break in.

Yes, your possessions are more important than a human life. Remind me where it says that in the Bible, would you?

HOLY SHIT SON! YOU'VE JUST BEEN REFUSED PARTY PROGRAMMED.
Kahta
23-02-2005, 01:24
I don't think he's joking. This guy is schitzoid. Claims there was an intruder and he never even saw anyone...


I heard it, is that good enough? Or should I get a security system complete with cameras installed?

When I have my own house, it'll be custom built... meh, I'll make a new thread.
CSW
23-02-2005, 01:25
I heard it, is that good enough? Or should I get a security system complete with cameras installed?

When I have my own house, it'll be custom built... meh, I'll make a new thread.
It's called 'the wind'. My screen door opens and shuts all the time, because of 'the wind'.
Refused Party Program
23-02-2005, 01:26
It's called 'the wind'. My screen door opens and shuts all the time, because of 'the wind'.

That sounds like an evil Commie conspiracy.
Servus Dei
23-02-2005, 01:27
Yes, your possessions are more important than a human life. Remind me where it says that in the Bible, would you?

But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.
(Gospel According to Saint Luke xixXXVII)
CSW
23-02-2005, 01:29
But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.
(Gospel According to Saint Luke xixXXVII)
Uhuh. Where does that say "shoot the bastards who look like their trying to take my property"?


(Oh, and a piece of advice, don't try it Kahta, you'll get charged with murder and convicted of it. You can't shoot to kill to protect property.)
Kahta
23-02-2005, 01:30
1)You have admitted to being a racist.
2)You have admitted extreme paranoia.
3)You justify your paranoia with fabrications.

If the story is true (okay, let's pretend), could it not simply be that you were mistaken and you didn't hear the door being opened but in your rabid state of "alertness" (mouth foaming, no doubt), you mistook another sound for that of the door opening?

1. Thats a buzzword.
2. When?
3. No, I really heard it.

The story did occur, I would not have hallucinated.

Another time, I was starting my mom's car, and two people, I don't remember their race, but I suspect they were black, walked by my house, and were talking, then they slowed down, when the other one said "Lets jack that goody-two shoes", so I shut the car off, walked into the house, and got my knife. Then I started it again, and sat in it. I live in a place where there are hoards of white trash, its 90% white, and the median income is $25,000. In the paper today, there was an article about 2 losers that were randomly attacking people.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 01:30
Yes, your possessions are more important than a human life. Remind me where it says that in the Bible, would you?

Exodus 22:2 "If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

:)
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 01:37
(Oh, and a piece of advice, don't try it Kahta, you'll get charged with murder and convicted of it. You can't shoot to kill to protect property.)
Not in MA, that is. That said, if pointing a firearm at someone was insufficient to dissaude them, I would become intensely fearful for my life. ;)
Equus
23-02-2005, 01:39
Exodus 22 is great! Take heed, for example, Exodus 22:21:

"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

So the Bible is a-ok with immigration. Whew! What a relief!


...please don't remind Servus Dei that the Old Testament was written by Jews...
Refused Party Program
23-02-2005, 01:40
Exodus 22:2 "If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

:)

Ah, the Exodus, luvvly jubbly.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

When was the last time you killed a witch?

Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Sweet.
Kahta
23-02-2005, 01:41
It's called 'the wind'. My screen door opens and shuts all the time, because of 'the wind'.

Mine is latched, and the handle must be pushed in with a thumb, or like object to open it. To open it from the inside, it must be pushed. (Note that there is a small enclosed area between the screen door and oak door.) That is where I keep the bag of salt and shovels.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 01:41
Exodus 22 is great! Take heed, for example, Exodus 22:21:

"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

So the Bible is a-ok with immigration. Whew! What a relief!

It's one of my favourite chapters. :)
Kahta
23-02-2005, 01:42
Uhuh. Where does that say "shoot the bastards who look like their trying to take my property"?


(Oh, and a piece of advice, don't try it Kahta, you'll get charged with murder and convicted of it. You can't shoot to kill to protect property.)

They shouldn't try to break in. If it happens, it was predestined to happen.

Then I'll use a small caliber gun.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 01:43
Ah, the Exodus, luvvy jubbly.



When was the last time you killed a witch?
Sweet.
I've never had the need to. You were wrong, stop trying to change the subject. Accept it, and move on.
Equus
23-02-2005, 01:44
How about Exodus 22:29-30:

Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats. "You must give me the firstborn of your sons. Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.

I think we need to be giving up a few more of our first born to the churches.
CSW
23-02-2005, 01:44
They shouldn't try to break in. If it happens, it was predestined to happen.

Then I'll use a small caliber gun.
Wrong ^.^.


Read up on your self defense law.
Refused Party Program
23-02-2005, 01:46
I've never had the need to. You were wrong, stop trying to change the subject. Accept it, and move on.

"be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

What does this mean?

EDIT: If you met a person of the Wiccan faith, would you kill them?
CSW
23-02-2005, 01:47
"be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

What does this mean?
Sounds to me more like that no one should die...
Bodies Without Organs
23-02-2005, 01:58
11+6=17. We've had this discussion before.

(Yes, we really have. Yes, that's what SD said.)

Great Days.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 02:00
"be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him."

What does this mean?

It means that a person who uses lethal force to repel an intruder shall not be held [morally or legally] culpable for that person's death.


EDIT: If you met a person of the Wiccan faith, would you kill them?
The Bible, in Exodus 22 or anywhere else, does not grant individuals the right or responsibility to execute its laws. That is the responsibility of the legal system.
VoteEarly
23-02-2005, 02:08
It means that a person who uses lethal force to repel an intruder shall not be held [morally or legally] culpable for that person's death.


The Bible, in Exodus 22 or anywhere else, does not grant individuals the right or responsibility to execute its laws. That is the responsibility of the legal system.


Genesis 9:6
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Man is tasked to execute the law, as it is clearly stated, "BY MAN".
VoteEarly
23-02-2005, 02:14
They shouldn't try to break in. If it happens, it was predestined to happen.

Then I'll use a small caliber gun.



You can kill carjackers in Louisiana, but you can't use lethal force to stop rapists in Illinois...
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 02:16
Genesis 9:6
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Man is tasked to execute the law, as it is clearly stated, "BY MAN".
After he has been duly convicted and sentenced by the courts.
CSW
23-02-2005, 02:32
You can kill carjackers in Louisiana, but you can't use lethal force to stop rapists in Illinois...
Wrong.
VoteEarly
23-02-2005, 02:38
Wrong.


Wow, you're lying, I'm right, you just can't say, "wrong", I know I'm correct.
Sel Appa
23-02-2005, 02:38
ship'em back to cuba and mexico, but the arabs can stay.
Roach-Busters
23-02-2005, 02:39
I see nothing wrong with having a large foreign-born population, it's just the high number of illegals that bothers me. I think all illegals should be deported; legals, of course, are more than welcome to stay.
VoteEarly
23-02-2005, 02:39
Louisiana Carjacking: http://www.survival-center.com/edit/carjack.htm

Illinois: http://pages.prodigy.net/fhattys/page10.html

Under the language of Illinois law, since a rape won't kill you, you can't use lethal force to stop it. You can only use equal force, what the hell does that mean? Rape them back? What crap!
Roach-Busters
23-02-2005, 02:41
Under the language of Illinois law, since a rape won't kill you, you can't use lethal force to stop it. You can only use equal force, what the hell does that mean? Rape them back? What crap!

That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.
CSW
23-02-2005, 02:41
Louisiana Carjacking: http://www.survival-center.com/edit/carjack.htm

Illinois: http://pages.prodigy.net/fhattys/page10.html

Under the language of Illinois law, since a rape won't kill you, you can't use lethal force to stop it. You can only use equal force, what the hell does that mean? Rape them back? What crap!
Um...no. You can use deadly force (especially if they are attacking you with a deadly weapon) against rape. It's a forcible felony. See below.

In Illinois, a person has a lawful right to use deadly force "only if he reasonably
believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself, or another, or the commission of a forcible felony
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 03:10
Wrong.
I can't speak for Louisiania, but I know for a fact that you can, regardless of circumstances, in Arizona.
Battlestar Christiania
23-02-2005, 03:11
Um...no. You can use deadly force (especially if they are attacking you with a deadly weapon) against rape. It's a forcible felony. See below.

In Illinois, a person has a lawful right to use deadly force "only if he reasonably
believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself, or another, or the commission of a forcible felony
In Illinois, a person cannot carry a loaded gun.
Whispering Legs
23-02-2005, 03:46
In Illinois, a person cannot carry a loaded gun.

You can carry openly in Virginia, or if you're not a felon, you can get a concealed carry permit.
CSW
23-02-2005, 03:53
In Illinois, a person cannot carry a loaded gun.
Source?
Refused Party Program
23-02-2005, 09:34
It means that a person who uses lethal force to repel an intruder shall not be held [morally or legally] culpable for that person's death.


It does not say "intruder". It says "thief". A person is only a thief after they have left your property with your possession(s). If you shoot an 'intruder', you are morally culpable for that person's death.
You Forgot Poland
23-02-2005, 16:13
Marion Barry-mayor of Washington DC loved his crack. He likely still does.
I dont often hear of "frat boys" killing their girlfriend's kids or carjacking. The lifestyle that accompanies crack users is more often violent and desperate.
The statistics can be used to prove an arguement either way-it all depends on what YOU WANT THEM TO PROVE.

It's probably too late to reply to this, but in case you weren't aware of it, murder and car-jacking are separate crimes which have their own sentencing guidelines. If someone in possession of any drug does these things, they'll serve time for all the offenses. But you're advocating sentencing someone based on the "lifestyle" their drug implies, whether or not those additional crimes are actually committed. Thankfully, the courts are a little more with it than you and don't assume that someone is guilty of murder because of hasty generalizations about the comparative violence and desperation of various drug users.

And why do you bring Marion Barry into this? He doesn't support your theory about murder and car theft.

For the record, the sentencing guidelines have been equalized, because previously, possession of one gram of crack was held to be equivalent to possession of 100 grams of cocaine. WTF? How does that make sense?

And yeah, I'm aware that numbers can be twisted, but you aren't proving much of anything at all.
VoteEarly
23-02-2005, 16:17
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