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I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.

Endangered my life by increasing, in my opinion, the scope and appeal of anti-Western terrorist groups in the Middle East by his policies there.

He supports the removal of most of my rights as a human being. He absolutely sickens me.

He supports the removal of most of my rights as a human being. He absolutely sickens me.

Ok, its easy to say something like that. What evidence do you have to support this? Anyone can say some BS. Tell me why and how he is going to do this? Convince me...

He cut my taxes
(and I like it :p )

Ok, its easy to say something like that. What evidence do you have to support this? Anyone can say some BS. Tell me why and how he is going to do this? Convince me...

Patriot Act.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? Two out of three. My kitten is doing fine... after he scratched her and tried to shit on her.

Ok, its easy to say something like that. What evidence do you have to support this? Anyone can say some BS. Tell me why and how he is going to do this? Convince me...

PATRIOT acts, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, supports phamacist's right to not fill prescriptions for birth control pills, pushes abstinence-only sex education, openly supports Christianty over other religions, is a spineless bastard who is willing to use propaganda and misdirection to fool his country into following him into a war that may lead to the deaths of people I know.

I'd continue, but it's 11:30am and I've been up since 2pm yesterday. And yes, I know many aren't 'basic human rights', but they only add to my disgust with him, so I figured I'd throw them into the mix too.

Not to mention creating a deficit so incredibly huge that it's considered a threat to the stability of the global eceonomy... not to mention that, at the rate it's increasing, the mere interest on our loans will be greater than the entire US tax revenue in around 10-15 years...
I mean, seriously, how can anyone justify increasing spending and lowering taxes at the same time...? It just doesn't make sense :headbang:

I think the only thing I need to say right now is his Social Security plan. One of a few... dozen reasons why I don't like him.

I think the only thing I need to say right now is his Social Security plan. One of a few... dozen reasons why I don't like him.

We are getting robbed on the current plan. I saw abolish the whole damn thing. Give me my money. I can get a better return out of it than SSI.

He shot my kitty. :(

PATRIOT acts, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, supports phamacist's right to not fill prescriptions for birth control pills, pushes abstinence-only sex education, openly supports Christianty over other religions, is a spineless bastard who is willing to use propaganda and misdirection to fool his country into following him into a war that may lead to the deaths of people I know.


I'd like to add to this that his response to things like the lack of WMDs and other such things is to shrug and say, "Oops, sorry, didn't know" instead of getting the fuck OUT of the country he wrongfully invaded, giving them the money to rebuild (instead of giving it to the military), getting on his knees and apologizing for raping their country, and then resigning the Presidency.

Nixon (yes, Nixon) had more integrity than this man.

We are getting robbed on the current plan. I saw abolish the whole damn thing. Give me my money. I can get a better return out of it than SSI.

How do you know? Got a fool proof plan to predict the stock market? You sure the money you invest will still be there if something goes horribly wrong and a bubble bursts? How many dotcom millionaires are now homeless?

The operative word in Social Security is Security.

Bush has wasted government money on a pointless war, continues to threaten my human rights, is horribly biggoted towards non-christians, refuses to reckognize any other beleifs than his, and has endangered my life by increasing the hate of Americans worldwide.

How do you know? Got a fool proof plan to predict the stock market? You sure the money you invest will still be there if something goes horribly wrong and a bubble bursts? How many dotcom millionaires are now homeless?

The operative word in Social Security is Security.


If the stock market crashes we are all screwed. Dont think SSI would be around to bail you out after that anyway. As far as investing. His plan would allow you to invest in realestate. Which is a very safe investment vehicle. Also SSI can disappear with a stroke of a pen from any president from Bush on... The entitlement is not as safe as you may think.

He cut my taxes
(and I like it :p )
You must be a very cynical or selfish person if you think that is the most important thing in the world.

You must be a very cynical or selfish person if you think that is the most important thing in the world.

I want people to post stuff like that. He is just stating a fact. You could use that quote of yours on several other posts.

You must be a very cynical or selfish person if you think that is the most important thing in the world.
I said it was the most important thing in the world?

Q : What has Bush done to you?
A : He cut my taxes

Seems simple enough.

We are getting robbed on the current plan. I saw abolish the whole damn thing. Give me my money. I can get a better return out of it than SSI.

Marrakech II, reply to the whole of everyones comments if you please. So far you've only commented on SS, what about everything else people have listed? These are things that people are angry with Bush about.

You can't pick and choose to shoot down only what you want. You've asked what people are pissed about, and you only responded to one thing. I really am curious what you have to say about the other points people have listed.

EDIT: Well, you can pick and choose what you want to reply to. Doesn't help any of us understand you any better though.

Marrakech II, reply to the whole of everyones comments if you please. So far you've only commented on SS, what about everything else people have listed? These are things that people are angry with Bush about.

You can't pick and choose to shoot down only what you want. You've asked what people are pissed about, and you only responded to one thing. I really am curious what you have to say about the other points people have listed.

EDIT: Well, you can pick and choose what you want to reply to. Doesn't help any of us understand you any better though.

Well I chose the SSI to respond to because I know a bit about the whole operations of the SSI system. The reason I dont respond to everyone is because they are stating a personal opinion. Which is fine. But when a subject comes up and they start talking facts. Thats when I post. Especially if they post something I think they are wrong on. Hope that clears it up

I like that despite all the Michael Moore-loving lefties and their anti-Bush campaigns in 2004, he was still re-elected. He clearly cannot be as bad as he is often painted here on NS.

Honestly now, SS would probably be the most opinionated of them all. So far I haven't seen anyone back it up with facts.

Here are some facts people have listed: (paraphrased)

"PATRIOT acts, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, supports phamacist's right to not fill prescriptions for birth control pills, pushes abstinence-only sex education

Not to mention creating a deficit so incredibly huge...

(how can anyone justify increasing spending and lowering taxes at the same time...?)

He shot my kitty."

The first and second are completely verifiable and will definitely affect everyone in the US in one way or another. I don't consider them personal opinion.

Everyone's ANGRY!!!!

Of course. . .if John Kerry (or even Al Gore) had been elected. . .I might be angry, too. Heck, I'm angry now anyways.

AARRRGGHHH! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.
What did Clinton do to anyone: people still hate him.

Bush lowered my Pell Grant(I looked it up a few months ago) causing me to have less money fior school. That directly affected me.

Sure he has done a a good thing (not more than three though), but he has still done bad.

How do you know? Got a fool proof plan to predict the stock market? You sure the money you invest will still be there if something goes horribly wrong and a bubble bursts? How many dotcom millionaires are now homeless?

The operative word in Social Security is Security.



Security? What security? The social security plan put forth by Roosevelt has been one massive failure from the beginning. Social Security is a joke. Both parties agree for the most part that it needs to be reformed, if not abolished entirely.

:headbang:

I said it was the most important thing in the world?
No, but you seem quite prepared to support his destructive policies just because he cut your taxes.

Security? What security? The social security plan put forth by Roosevelt has been one massive failure from the beginning. Social Security is a joke. Both parties agree for the most part that it needs to be reformed, if not abolished entirely.

:headbang:

I hate to go off subject but it irks me when people refer to Roosevelt like this. There is a reason why he made social security. How quickly it seems we forget.

At least we're a democracy still.

Anyways, off-subject, lets stay on it.

What did Clinton do to anyone: people still hate him.
Gave corporations free reign to pursue globalisation.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.
I had to be moved from home and then come live in America becuase of him. This cost me my old job.

Gave corporations free reign to pursue globalisation.
I assume you mean globalization. For someone who has probably and will probably any postition of such high rank and deal with all the stress that goes with it, you seem pretty cocky.

Pretty much eveything I'd say has been mentioned, so I'll cap it with "He kicked my dog, damnit!" :)

The USA is a powerful country and the only nation capable of doing "world police work". Mantaining world stability is important for the US citizens too, so it can be seen as a tactical role. The problem here is who is leading this juggernaut. With the right, open-minded, peacefull (yet practical) leadership, the US can do very good things. When led by a conservative, a dumb conservative, all this power is badly used. That's what's pissing everybody all over the world.

I am European. Not american-lover nor anti-american. I live in a country wich has been governed by many Bush-like persons (religious, intolerant) during it's fascist period (1933-1974). That puts any country to it's knees.
Americans: beware.

His moronic "Clear Skies" BS is trashing the air that I breathe. His policy on climate change is going to screw my entire generation over. I'm now convinced that most of my classmates are going to get drafted and sent off to die in Tehran. He's pushing an amendment to directly discriminate against many of my closest friends.


That enough for ya?

His moronic "Clear Skies" BS is trashing the air that I breathe. His policy on climate change is going to screw my entire generation over. I'm now convinced that most of my classmates are going to get drafted and sent off to die in Tehran. He's pushing an amendment to directly discriminate against many of my closest friends.


That enough for ya?
This may sound strange but are you a Democrat? I have to agree with you, but that does apply to everyone and also the climate wont entirely screw over the millenials, but the ones after the next will be f@$%ed.

What has President Bush done to you?

He has greatly increased my hatred of the USA and everything it stands for.

Bush set my house on fire.

Seriously though. The liberals keep saying how terrible things are, but whenever Bush tries to change something (ie: social security), they shoot it down. The liberals seem to know that things are wrong, but don't seem to know that to make them right, they have to change something.

Nukes were a bad idea. When nukes were invented, war become less of an option, simply because you didn't want to piss off a country with nukes, whether you were going after them directly or not. I actually have no idea what that has to do with this thread.

I didn't need for Saddam to have WMD's to go after him. Something ought to have been done over there a long time ago. The guy could have killed someone, shooting off those guns into the air like that.

I don't really get Social Security anyway, so maybe I shouldn't be talking about it. I guess people weren't responsible enough with their money to hold onto it themselves?

Lowering taxes is supposed to increase investor confidence, because they have more money. People with a lot of money don't worry about losing a bit on a busted stock right? No. They start their own clothing line.

I never really understood the economy either. Isn't it run by the people? So if the people want the economy to be good, shouldn't they just by stuff? I guess it's kind of a selfish kind of thing, because they figure they can watch their own back and everyone else will take care of making the economy good. But when everyone does it....Seriously, I mean if everyone just bought a bunch of stuff from Wall Street, the economy would get better right? So people would by more stuff, and it's just a cycle of buying stuff and making the economy better? There must be something I'm missing....

Everything previously said, most notably the Patriot Act and the anti-abortion stance he takes. In addition, I would like to comment that he is quoted as saying that he believes that "God wants him to be president." This is enough to turn me off of ever voting for him.

[unimportant for this purpose]

He has greatly increased my hatred of the USA and everything it stands for.


You mean football? I really don't understand how people can hate football, what with the passes and the runs and the interceptions. You're cheering one minute and crying the next. It's an emotional roller coaster. All sports are like that, except golf, and bowling, and tennis and such. I don't like those one person sports because there's too much to keep track of, and it's pretty much all static.

I assume you mean globalization. For someone who has probably and will probably any postition of such high rank and deal with all the stress that goes with it, you seem pretty cocky.
That fact that you corrected my spelling to conform to the American spelling is an example of cultural globalisation, which IMO is worse than economic globalisation.

What are you talking about - ranks?

Patriot and other "we can deport you to Syria to be tortured" laws make sure that I'm not going to vacation in USA. I think I'll go to vacation in a freer country like Russia instead.

Thanks in part to Bush's policies, going to visit Middle Eastern countries may not be as safe as before, because everyone with a lighter skin is "obviously" an American and could be a target for a terrorist strike. Terrorist organizations are more popular thanks to Bush's "they can hate, as long as they fear" policies.

Wars in oil-producing regions cause rising oil prices, which increase the price of transportation (buses, trains, etc.), which in turn increases the prices of all goods.

The influx of Fox-brainwashed people to the net forums. A minor annoyance, really.

Bush wants to ban stem cell research, which would slow down the development in the entire field of bioengineering. I haven't yet decided if this is a good thing. Of course, innovations will be lost, because Bush wants back to the Middle Ages value-wise. On the other hand, when work is not done in USA, it's done elsewhere. This might mean job opportunities for me in the future, as I study a chemical science.

As an Oregonian, he's passed laws which have made our forests helluh more chance to catch fire, by simply clearcutting many places instead of actually taking care of the forests, and passed laws that kill of salmon, and even take many animals off the endagered species list, even though they are still very much in danger.

Unbalancing an ecosystem is very detrimental to everyone's health. The middle east used to be a jungle.

Ussama didn't do anything to me, and I hate him.

Bush didn't do anything to me, and I hate him.

They both hurt other people to further their agenda. And I hate them both for it.

They needn't hurt me to make me hate them. I'll hate them if they hurt others.

:headbang: He killed my best friend that bastard. I was walking down the street talking with and Bush just came up and shot and then raped his corpse, laughing all the while and saying "That'll teach those liberal, muslim, druid, vegan, tree-hugging, terrorist, pagan bastards!" It was the most traumatizing experience of my life. I'll get him if its the last thing I do! :headbang: :gundge:

Bush set my house on fire.

Seriously though. The liberals keep saying how terrible things are, but whenever Bush tries to change something (ie: social security), they shoot it down. The liberals seem to know that things are wrong, but don't seem to know that to make them right, they have to change something.

Nukes were a bad idea. When nukes were invented, war become less of an option, simply because you didn't want to piss off a country with nukes, whether you were going after them directly or not. I actually have no idea what that has to do with this thread.

I didn't need for Saddam to have WMD's to go after him. Something ought to have been done over there a long time ago. The guy could have killed someone, shooting off those guns into the air like that.

I don't really get Social Security anyway, so maybe I shouldn't be talking about it. I guess people weren't responsible enough with their money to hold onto it themselves?

Lowering taxes is supposed to increase investor confidence, because they have more money. People with a lot of money don't worry about losing a bit on a busted stock right? No. They start their own clothing line.

I never really understood the economy either. Isn't it run by the people? So if the people want the economy to be good, shouldn't they just by stuff? I guess it's kind of a selfish kind of thing, because they figure they can watch their own back and everyone else will take care of making the economy good. But when everyone does it....Seriously, I mean if everyone just bought a bunch of stuff from Wall Street, the economy would get better right? So people would by more stuff, and it's just a cycle of buying stuff and making the economy better? There must be something I'm missing....

So basicly you are completly ignorant on everything, like you have stated, yet you feel you are right despite not understanding anything.

Social Security, for example. It isn't broke, yet Bush wants to fix it. If privatization occurs, people will not get the money that they have put into the system already, and will not get the same amount of money that they would get normally. And it would completly dismantle the system.

See... YOU... want privatization, despite not knowing what the hell your talking about. I, don't want it, because I know exactly what it entails.

Ignorance like yours is a dangerous thing. I'm also assumng you've never had a job either, since you know nothing about social security.

He saved me many thousands of dollars in taxes and in the process improved the US economy (thus probably causing my income to increase - but I can't prove that) and also made me a lot safer by instilling some fear of America in the bad guys. Other than that, he did not really do much to me.

So basicly you are completly ignorant on everything, like you have stated, yet you feel you are right despite not understanding anything.

Social Security, for example. It isn't broke, yet Bush wants to fix it. If privatization occurs, people will not get the money that they have put into the system already, and will not get the same amount of money that they would get normally. And it would completly dismantle the system.

See... YOU... want privatization, despite not knowing what the hell your talking about. I, don't want it, because I know exactly what it entails.

Ignorance like yours is a dangerous thing. I'm also assumng you've never had a job either, since you know nothing about social security.

So the fact that its going to run out by 2040 or so doesn't mean its broken? Something has to be done whether it privitization or whatever, but we can't just ignore the problem and hope that it goes away. Actually, I take that back, we can. Thats basically what American's did to terrorism before we got uber-pwnd on 9/11. Then we were all like, "how did this happen?" and "why didn't we stop it." Lets not make a similar mistake with soc sec.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.

1. endangered my life by starting wars that did nto need to be fought while i was in the service.

2. Emberassed my coutnry with his complete disregard for the English language

3. Assualted every last bit of my patience with his backwards agenda that will take our country back into the stone age if we let him ( oh wait 51% of America is retarded enough too vote for the fucktard) so i guess we did let him... for now
4. I have never met the man personally however the fact that he represents my coutnry as chief embassador leads me too beleive he shoudl put our best foot forward and not say thing too terrorists like " bring it on ". OR declare sovereign nations "axis of evil " powers and " rogue states" . Then alone start bombing a sovereign nation without even attempting diplomacy under the guise of declaring them an "immenent threat". Then a year later telling us too forget about that arguement ( which was a lie) and think of the "good" we ahve done citing that there will be no more mass graves . Which is fine and dandy accept for the "coalateral damage" that we have wrought which has killed more people than Saddam ever did.

so yes I take offense too George Bush although its not fair too blame him in total. After all he isn't much more than a puppet for the Neocon scum. And yes i think the country woudl be better off if they were not in power. I am appaled that these good ole boy big business tycoon souless empty suits are mascarading as "men of god".

would Jesus advocate war over peace? Woudl he advocate the death penalty? woudl he support big business over the homeless?

most of all i feel sorry for the ill informed people who were mislead into voting for him. however they deserve everything their vote brought them from this moron who is unfit too shine my boots then alone run my great nation!!!

3. Assualted every last bit of my patience with his backwards agenda that will take our country back into the stone age if we let him ( oh wait 51% of America is retarded enough too vote for the fucktard) so i guess we did let him... for now

More like 25 percent, since he got 51 percent of the 50 or so percent that voted.

So basicly you are completly ignorant on everything, like you have stated, yet you feel you are right despite not understanding anything.

Social Security, for example. It isn't broke, yet Bush wants to fix it. If privatization occurs, people will not get the money that they have put into the system already, and will not get the same amount of money that they would get normally. And it would completly dismantle the system.

See... YOU... want privatization, despite not knowing what the hell your talking about. I, don't want it, because I know exactly what it entails.

Ignorance like yours is a dangerous thing. I'm also assumng you've never had a job either, since you know nothing about social security.

There's no need for hate. Hatred like yours is a dangerous thing. Makes people shoot people just for not understanding stuff.

Bush made it nearly impossible for my mom to get a job (she's a teacher) due to his No Child Left Behind Act, therefore forcing my family to live off of a substiture teacher's salary. That's what he's done to me.

He made me a lot safer by instilling some fear of America in the bad guys.
...And this is where the average Bush supporter goes drastically wrong. Do you think the average suicide terrorist gives a crap about how scary the US is? The US won't do anything to him after he's dead in his own attack.

Bush has in my opinion, done a lot to increase the number of these bomb-weilding fanatics with his "give every reason for Arabs to hate the west" foreign policies.

More like 25 percent, since he got 51 percent of the 50 or so percent that voted.
I forgot too denote that not all Americans vote my apologies . I stand corrected. However in my guesstimations ( and this is jsut oppinion) there were more idiots who did not vote than otherwise. So actually the Idiot count may be alot higher than 51%. Any way you look at it this neocon menace has to go away hopefully in due time the voting process will address this issue. I am not that optimistic though considering the corruption that is rampant in the US political system. Too include special interests groups ( on both sides) paying for votes, haveing too ahve connections in order too even get elected to an office and adding "Pork" too budgets too appease those before mentioned connections and special interests.

oh and no one has mentioned this yet so i figured I would. Bush and company lowered the budget for the Dept. of Veterans affairs. yet i still hear veterans ( which I am an 8 year vet of the military) singing the praises of those neo-con scum. So basically the conservatives want too send our boys too war get them hurt or killed and screw the vets and their families and yet cry "support the troops" and make million off sales of gay ass yello magnet ribbons. Thats another thing that pisses me off. America stop being so naive . Do you think you are helping the troops or jsut helping yourselves feel a little better when you buy those retarded things?
IF you wanted too support the troops you woudl ahve never voted for the Republican scum in the first fucking place GRRRRRRRRRR.

as you can see I am a bit frustrated by the whole situation. And the Democrats are not innocent. They are the lesser of the two evils because they atleast are up too date on some views. some of the ones mentioned in teh first response post on here .

...
Paul Martin is the prime minister of Canada, just to let you know.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Paulmartin1.jpg

As far as blaming the 25% of people who voted Bush back in power I think that it's a flawed argument. If you tell a child constantly it's good to eat bizzare mushrooms and then they eat one and they get poisoned then you wouldn't blame the child would you? No you would blame the people telling it that the mushroom is safe and good!!! Likewise I think we/you should be blaming Fox and friends for brain washing the sub-intelligent people of america when it comes to politics (and that's not a dig there are many, many things in the world that i'm not intelligent with).

Also being Scottish and not understanding completely the whole impeachment thing answer this question -

Bush,
1. Lies about WMD,
2. goes against the UN,
3. sends how many thousand troops to Iraq with how many dead so far?
4. Goes to war to capture OBL (where is he??).
5. Camp x-ray?
6. Read's a kids book (or at least looks at the pictures) for 6 minutes and 55 seconds too long during the biggest moment of crisis in American history.
7. Turns around a record surplus to a record deficit in erm....record time.

And then there's Clinton

1. Has some fun with a Cigar!
2. Leaves a wee bit of a stain on a dress!!!

Doesn't quite add up does it??? :confused:

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.
Screw over my future in the U.S.
Trashed the view of America by the world
Made Muslim terrorists look like god-sends compared to invading Americans
Throwing my parent's tax money away on a war that didn't need to be paid for in full

etc. etc.

This "Bush is endangering my life!!" nonsense is ... well, nonsense! Are you idiots the same people that want drugs legalized, drink regularly, drive cars, OR STAND IN THE SUN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD? I promise you there are FAR more things out there that have a much greater chance of killing you than any reputation Bush has given you as an American.

the biggest moment of crisis in American history.

I'm sorry but that right there just destroyed any credit your whole point just had

This "Bush is endangering my life!!" nonsense is ... well, nonsense! Are you idiots the same people that want drugs legalized, drink regularly, drive cars, OR STAND IN THE SUN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD? I promise you there are FAR more things out there that have a much greater chance of killing you than any reputation Bush has given you as an American.
I'm not scared about Bush killing me
I'm scared for my future.


Unlike you, I look forward and not just in the present.

I'm not scared about Bush killing me
I'm scared for my future.


Unlike you, I look forward and not just in the present.

I'm scared for my future too but not because of Bush. I'm scared because with each generation the entire WORLD just gets more and more stupid and disgusting.
So I'll tell you what, how about instead of assuming what I look at and what I don't when you really don't know jack about me, you open your god damn eyes and realize what on this planet is the REAL threat to society. You DO know Bush can't run for another term, right? That's the whole PURPOSE of electing new presidents. If there happens to be one you don't like, he won't be around to ruin your entire life. So quit blowing crap out of proportion and acting like the world is comming to an end when the truth is you're just being a brat because everything isn't going your way.

I'm not scared about Bush killing me
I'm scared for my future.


Unlike you, I look forward and not just in the present.

i'm scared for my kids and grand kids futures also....Kyoto can not be under estimated and America's roe in this is huge!!!

The global destabalising that is happening at the moment will last for the next hundred years....we were 10 years ago on the cusp of a lasting peace that in the last four years has been blown to smithereens (sp)....

This "Bush is endangering my life!!" nonsense is ... well, nonsense! Are you idiots the same people that want drugs legalized, drink regularly, drive cars, OR STAND IN THE SUN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD? I promise you there are FAR more things out there that have a much greater chance of killing you than any reputation Bush has given you as an American.



I'm sorry but that right there just destroyed any credit your whole point just had

short of missing the word recent....expand please....

So I'll tell you what, how about instead of assuming what I look at and what I don't when you really don't know jack about me, you open your god damn eyes and realize what on this planet is the REAL threat to society.
It's not nice being in my shoes is it?

I can say the same exact things about you.

George Bush gave me herpes.
*nods vigorously*
:D

It's not nice being in my shoes is it?

I can say the same exact things about you.

I don't think you can. I'm pretty certain I haven't pulled any bs out of thinair and then accused you of it just yet.

hey does anyone what bush's top 5 axis of evil people are?, I'm sure castro and the korean guy are in it.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.

close- crapped on my favorite cd and wiped with my cat...the 'miaos' could be heard for miles...

I don't think you can. I'm pretty certain I haven't pulled any bs out of thinair and then accused you of it just yet.
Oh for the love of God...

This "Bush is endangering my life!!" nonsense is ... well, nonsense! Are you idiots the same people that want drugs legalized, drink regularly, drive cars, OR STAND IN THE SUN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD? I promise you there are FAR more things out there that have a much greater chance of killing you than any reputation Bush has given you as an American.

Calm your ass down and read it and tell me you aren't accusing me of anything. Tell me you aren't putting words in my mouth.

I'm sorry but that right there just destroyed any credit your whole point just had
:D, I swear to God, I laughed when I read that.

I'm scared for my future too but not because of Bush. I'm scared because with each generation the entire WORLD just gets more and more stupid and disgusting.
So I'll tell you what, how about instead of assuming what I look at and what I don't when you really don't know jack about me, you open your god damn eyes and realize what on this planet is the REAL threat to society. You DO know Bush can't run for another term, right? That's the whole PURPOSE of electing new presidents. If there happens to be one you don't like, he won't be around to ruin your entire life. So quit blowing crap out of proportion and acting like the world is comming to an end when the truth is you're just being a brat because everything isn't going your way.
Actually, he can quite easliy ruin my life, regardless of who is elected next. If his policies hurt the economy and the environment, then that will continue to haunt us, because it is a lot harder to help the environment than to hurt it. If someone I know dies because of a war that never should have happened, he's going to stay dead regardless of who replaces him.

Paul Martin is the prime minister of Canada, just to let you know.

[IMAGE SNIPPZORD!!!1!]

Thank you very much. I probably should have known that. Well, I do now anyway. Thanks again.

What has G. W. Bush done to me? Not anything I can think of?

hey does anyone what bush's top 5 axis of evil people are?, I'm sure castro and the korean guy are in it.

syria,
Iran,
North Korea,
Cuba,

(I think Iraq but no doubt they will have been relegated and someone else will be applying for that position, France maybe?)

syria,
Iran,
North Korea,
Cuba,

(I think Iraq but no doubt they will have been relegated and someone else will be applying for that position, France maybe?)

hey you forgot a couple;

haiti
gayland (W: *scratches head* That there's a real country 'n I'll be danged if it aint! YEEHAW! *swigs from cider jug with three 'x's*)

I think Condi was talking about Belarus...

They don't like the taste of a Soviet Redoubt in Eastern Europe.

i'm scared for my kids and grand kids futures also....Kyoto can not be under estimated and America's roe in this is huge!!!

The global destabalising that is happening at the moment will last for the next hundred years....we were 10 years ago on the cusp of a lasting peace that in the last four years has been blown to smithereens (sp)....
If you're angry about Kyoto, blame the US Senate, not Bush. Blame each of the Republican and Democratic senators, who voted 95-0, to reject Kyoto.

I don't like the part of him that seems to make him want to push his morals down everyone's throat. Aside from that, he is a pain in the ass when he was in town due to the temporary flight restrictions.

As far as blaming the 25% of people who voted Bush back in power I think that it's a flawed argument. If you tell a child constantly it's good to eat bizzare mushrooms and then they eat one and they get poisoned then you wouldn't blame the child would you? No you would blame the people telling it that the mushroom is safe and good!!! Likewise I think we/you should be blaming Fox and friends for brain washing the sub-intelligent people of america when it comes to politics (and that's not a dig there are many, many things in the world that i'm not intelligent with).

Also being Scottish and not understanding completely the whole impeachment thing answer this question -

Bush,
1. Lies about WMD,
2. goes against the UN,
3. sends how many thousand troops to Iraq with how many dead so far?
4. Goes to war to capture OBL (where is he??).
5. Camp x-ray?
6. Read's a kids book (or at least looks at the pictures) for 6 minutes and 55 seconds too long during the biggest moment of crisis in American history.
7. Turns around a record surplus to a record deficit in erm....record time.

And then there's Clinton

1. Has some fun with a Cigar!
2. Leaves a wee bit of a stain on a dress!!!

Doesn't quite add up does it??? :confused:

Bush:
1) No one can prove he was lying or not. Speculation and dislike for a man does not equal evidence.
2) The UN is not the ultimate power in the world. Syria doesnt listen to the US. Israel doesnt listen to the UN. Plenty of folks dont listen to the UN
3) 1,400 dead in close to two years of fighting..as far as wars go in US history this isnt as bad as others.
4) Just because you no longer hear about it on the news doesnt mean it no longer happens. Honestly you expect news agencies to care about Afganistan anymore when you've got a suicide bombing in Iraq every day?
5) What about it?
6) And what did you expect him to do? Find a phonebooth and turn into Superman? The Presidents power only goes so far and frankly if he moved faster there is little chance anything would have changed.
7) Umm..the tech bubble which created the projected surplus through taxes bursted in 2000. That record surplus was getting smaller and smaller before Bush took the oath of office.

Clinton:
1) Committed a crime (perjury is a crime)
2) Bosnia-Ignored the situation for a long time before moving to help
3) Rawanda-Ignored the situation and didnt bother helping
4) Somalia-Nineteen americans die, we run out and leave the country to tear itself apart. Many terrorists believe the US to now have a weak jaw and step up attacks in the future.
5) Sudan-He hits a pharmacutical plant in the Sudan. A legit pharmacuitcal plant.
6) Iraq-Bombs Iraq for 48 hours straight after they eject weapons inspectors. If Clinton had stuck with his guns maybe he would have actually gotten them back in. But people seem to forget Clinton had a more violent presidency than Bush has thus far because of prejudices...
7) Haiti-1994, puts Aristide back into power through use of intervention..big flipping mistake as Bush has to clean up this mess.
8) Afganistan-Refuses to risk the lives of military personnel even though he knows the position of OBL(keep in mind this is after several attacks against US targets have been linked to him.)
9) 1st WTC attack-The truck bombing occured on his watch, and he treated it like nothing. The folks were arrested and tried but no follow up into terrorism ever occured.
10) If he could have had a third term we would have all seen just how well he would have handled an economic crisis in the US and better yet how he would have handled 9/11. I garuntee you folks it wouldnt have been holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
11) North Korea, in 1994 Clinton came dangerously close to hitting multiple targets in North Korea to stop their nuclear program. However a diplomatic solution was reached. One which the North Koreans immediately broke and continued on in secret.
12) The Kyoto treaty..this was masterful of Clinton who knew he had no chance in hell of getting it by the Senate. Clinton took on the treaty and left it to the next inline to take the fall for it not passing.
13)Wag the Dog. Look at Kosovo and look at where Clinton was at in terms of the sex scandle. We got involved in Kosovo around the time he got impeached. We ignore Croatia, Bosnia, but suddenly take interest in Kosovo? Seems strange to me.

As far as everything goes...Clinton was a medicore president who was at the right place at the right time..like Calvin Coolidge without the morale decency.

Clinton was the strongest anti-terrorist president until his time. Read ch. 15 of Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, by Al Franken. Sure, he is very far to the left, but it is hard to make up what a president did or didn't do, right? Policies and actions are not easy to fabricate well. Read, and you shall learn.

Clinton was the strongest anti-terrorist president until his time. Read ch. 15 of Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, by Al Franken. Sure, he is very far to the left, but it is hard to make up what a president did or didn't do, right? Policies and actions are not easy to fabricate well. Read, and you shall learn.

Umm...what world are you living in? Clinton slashed intelligence budgets left and right. Al Fraken is a mouth piece for the left, not a neutral source of anything.

Clinton failed on multiple fronts, his policies and actions did not protect the country. Otherwise the Cole wouldnt have been attacked, US troops wouldnt have been in Saudi Arabia any longer than they had to be. (G. H.W. Bush) would have removed them in his second term or moved them to Kuwait. WTC 2001 planning occured under his watch. And guess what? Foreign terrorism in the US in a new concept. There really arent any other Presidents before Clinton you can compare him to in that issue :rolleyes:

Clinton was the strongest anti-terrorist president until his time. Read ch. 15 of Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, by Al Franken. Sure, he is very far to the left, but it is hard to make up what a president did or didn't do, right? Policies and actions are not easy to fabricate well. Read, and you shall learn.
Franken isn't far left, but he's a partisan hack. I've read that book, and most of his stats are so obviously spun and doctored, just from reading them. Franken is only a source of comedy not news.

Bush:
1) No one can prove he was lying or not. Speculation and dislike for a man does not equal evidence.
2) The UN is not the ultimate power in the world. Syria doesnt listen to the US. Israel doesnt listen to the UN. Plenty of folks dont listen to the UN
3) 1,400 dead in close to two years of fighting..as far as wars go in US history this isnt as bad as others.
4) Just because you no longer hear about it on the news doesnt mean it no longer happens. Honestly you expect news agencies to care about Afganistan anymore when you've got a suicide bombing in Iraq every day?
5) What about it?
6) And what did you expect him to do? Find a phonebooth and turn into Superman? The Presidents power only goes so far and frankly if he moved faster there is little chance anything would have changed.
7) Umm..the tech bubble which created the projected surplus through taxes bursted in 2000. That record surplus was getting smaller and smaller before Bush took the oath of office.

Clinton:
1) Committed a crime (perjury is a crime)
2) Bosnia-Ignored the situation for a long time before moving to help
3) Rawanda-Ignored the situation and didnt bother helping
4) Somalia-Nineteen americans die, we run out and leave the country to tear itself apart. Many terrorists believe the US to now have a weak jaw and step up attacks in the future.
5) Sudan-He hits a pharmacutical plant in the Sudan. A legit pharmacuitcal plant.
6) Iraq-Bombs Iraq for 48 hours straight after they eject weapons inspectors. If Clinton had stuck with his guns maybe he would have actually gotten them back in. But people seem to forget Clinton had a more violent presidency than Bush has thus far because of prejudices...
7) Haiti-1994, puts Aristide back into power through use of intervention..big flipping mistake as Bush has to clean up this mess.
8) Afganistan-Refuses to risk the lives of military personnel even though he knows the position of OBL(keep in mind this is after several attacks against US targets have been linked to him.)
9) 1st WTC attack-The truck bombing occured on his watch, and he treated it like nothing. The folks were arrested and tried but no follow up into terrorism ever occured.
10) If he could have had a third term we would have all seen just how well he would have handled an economic crisis in the US and better yet how he would have handled 9/11. I garuntee you folks it wouldnt have been holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
11) North Korea, in 1994 Clinton came dangerously close to hitting multiple targets in North Korea to stop their nuclear program. However a diplomatic solution was reached. One which the North Koreans immediately broke and continued on in secret.
12) The Kyoto treaty..this was masterful of Clinton who knew he had no chance in hell of getting it by the Senate. Clinton took on the treaty and left it to the next inline to take the fall for it not passing.
13)Wag the Dog. Look at Kosovo and look at where Clinton was at in terms of the sex scandle. We got involved in Kosovo around the time he got impeached. We ignore Croatia, Bosnia, but suddenly take interest in Kosovo? Seems strange to me.

As far as everything goes...Clinton was a medicore president who was at the right place at the right time..like Calvin Coolidge without the morale decency.

Home run. I can't put it any better.

What has President Bush done to you?

He's fathered my children.

Or mothered them.

Whichever is more disturbing.

To answer the topic:

He made my grades lower by signing the No-Child Left Behind Act and making it federal law.

Kids who do their homework, but don't understand a damn thing being taught to them make better grades now than those kids who don't do their homework, but are actually capable of understanding the material that is presented to them. Its quite irritating.

To answer the topic:

He made my grades lower by signing the No-Child Left Behind Act and making it federal law.

Kids who do their homework, but don't understand a damn thing being taught to them make better grades now than those kids who don't do their homework, but are actually capable of understanding the material that is presented to them. Its quite irritating.
Thats the way schools usually are, NCLBA or not...

Not so, at least for my school district.

Prior NCLB:
Homework 10% - 15%
Classwork 15% - 40%
Tests/Quizzes 50% - 70%
After NCLB
Homework 20% - 30%
Classwork 30% - 50%
Tests/Quizzes 20% - 50%

Homework weighting increased by a solid 100% while everything else dropped about 25% to balance out the weighting. At the same time, the grades of the kids who did their homework and didn't understand anything went up, and the grades of the kids who understood most everything and rarely did their homework went down. Not to mention the AP classes are taught below the lever they are supposed to be taught at.

1. endangered my life by starting wars that did nto need to be fought while i was in the service.


Wow, you joined the military and now you are whining about going into action. I give up on this species. OMG...what do you think we have you for?


2. Emberassed my coutnry with his complete disregard for the English language


Clinton embarrassed my country with his complete disreguard of the office of the president by getting a bj in the oval office. I still supported him, so basically what you said is useless


3. Assualted every last bit of my patience with his backwards agenda that will take our country back into the stone age if we let him ( oh wait 51% of America is retarded enough too vote for the fucktard) so i guess we did let him... for now


Backwards agenda that is bringing us back into the stone age. Hmm.....i still drive a car. Tolerance.....hmmm.....ou scream tolerance, yet you won't provide your own religeos tolerance. You call christians fundies left and right. and you assume that all people who love god are evil fanatics. Aren;t we allowed to have our beliefs too. Say we are all bigots. Things that are bigotedd are things like Black history month. Where is Latino history month, Asian-American? Native American? Why don;t we have those? I am a conservative and i have wanted something like that for years. But we don;t have it.


4. I have never met the man personally however the fact that he represents my coutnry as chief embassador leads me too beleive he shoudl put our best foot forward and not say thing too terrorists like " bring it on ". OR declare sovereign nations "axis of evil " powers and " rogue states" . Then alone start bombing a sovereign nation without even attempting diplomacy under the guise of declaring them an "immenent threat". Then a year later telling us too forget about that arguement ( which was a lie) and think of the "good" we ahve done citing that there will be no more mass graves . Which is fine and dandy accept for the "coalateral damage" that we have wrought which has killed more people than Saddam ever did.


I see a few ignorant statements here. where shold i start. Didn't attempt deplomacy? How many sanctions....i seem to hav e lost count. How many times were weopon ins-ectors in there? How many placeswere they not allowed to go? The argument that was a lie? Something that is uncertain is not a lie. And recent intelligence supports the idea that saddam was making it apparent that he had WMD to deter an attackby the Saudis. What about the Al Hussein Missles in Iraq. One was fired as a "test" in early 2000, these have an effective rance of ~600 kilometers. The acceptable limit was 150 kilometers. Sry the US doesn't like to sit on their hands and impose more sanctions.

The biggest fallcay you claimed to be true really burned me. How you say that "collateral damage" has led to more deaths than sddam ever casued. BS...definitely BS...here is but one source, i can offer many more, but i worked all day and i am tired
http://wais.stanford.edu/Iraq/iraq_deathsundersaddamhussein42503.html


most of all i feel sorry for the ill informed people who were mislead into voting for him. however they deserve everything their vote brought them from this moron who is unfit too shine my boots then alone run my great nation!!!

Apparently you dont think this is a great nation if it's people are indicators of the nation. You said
( oh wait 51% of America is retarded enough too vote for the fucktard)

I guess you don;t think it is a great nation..please refrain from sticking our foot in your mouth.

Bush:
1) No one can prove he was lying or not. Speculation and dislike for a man does not equal evidence.
2) The UN is not the ultimate power in the world. Syria doesnt listen to the US. Israel doesnt listen to the UN. Plenty of folks dont listen to the UN
3) 1,400 dead in close to two years of fighting..as far as wars go in US history this isnt as bad as others.
4) Just because you no longer hear about it on the news doesnt mean it no longer happens. Honestly you expect news agencies to care about Afganistan anymore when you've got a suicide bombing in Iraq every day?
5) What about it?
6) And what did you expect him to do? Find a phonebooth and turn into Superman? The Presidents power only goes so far and frankly if he moved faster there is little chance anything would have changed.
7) Umm..the tech bubble which created the projected surplus through taxes bursted in 2000. That record surplus was getting smaller and smaller before Bush took the oath of office.

Clinton:
1) Committed a crime (perjury is a crime)
2) Bosnia-Ignored the situation for a long time before moving to help
3) Rawanda-Ignored the situation and didnt bother helping
4) Somalia-Nineteen americans die, we run out and leave the country to tear itself apart. Many terrorists believe the US to now have a weak jaw and step up attacks in the future.
5) Sudan-He hits a pharmacutical plant in the Sudan. A legit pharmacuitcal plant.
6) Iraq-Bombs Iraq for 48 hours straight after they eject weapons inspectors. If Clinton had stuck with his guns maybe he would have actually gotten them back in. But people seem to forget Clinton had a more violent presidency than Bush has thus far because of prejudices...
7) Haiti-1994, puts Aristide back into power through use of intervention..big flipping mistake as Bush has to clean up this mess.
8) Afganistan-Refuses to risk the lives of military personnel even though he knows the position of OBL(keep in mind this is after several attacks against US targets have been linked to him.)
9) 1st WTC attack-The truck bombing occured on his watch, and he treated it like nothing. The folks were arrested and tried but no follow up into terrorism ever occured.
10) If he could have had a third term we would have all seen just how well he would have handled an economic crisis in the US and better yet how he would have handled 9/11. I garuntee you folks it wouldnt have been holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
11) North Korea, in 1994 Clinton came dangerously close to hitting multiple targets in North Korea to stop their nuclear program. However a diplomatic solution was reached. One which the North Koreans immediately broke and continued on in secret.
12) The Kyoto treaty..this was masterful of Clinton who knew he had no chance in hell of getting it by the Senate. Clinton took on the treaty and left it to the next inline to take the fall for it not passing.
13)Wag the Dog. Look at Kosovo and look at where Clinton was at in terms of the sex scandle. We got involved in Kosovo around the time he got impeached. We ignore Croatia, Bosnia, but suddenly take interest in Kosovo? Seems strange to me.

As far as everything goes...Clinton was a medicore president who was at the right place at the right time..like Calvin Coolidge without the morale decency.


*claps*

Bravo...Bravo.....someone ahas the time to write all that...and actually o their homework....good job.....

i hope poeple eventually stop seing the clintons as Jesus and Mary.

Sounds like most of you guys are just spouting the usual talking points of the typical Bush opponent. Get some new arguments.

He cut my taxes
(and I like it :p )


Yay the tax cuts and tax rebates. I recieved something like a DOLLOR a day in tax rebates, oh joy, screw the country, and screw the poor, and lets get the National Debt to $10trillion, I honestly think President W. Bush Oilman can get us there, AWWWEESOME :D Gotta Love our President of the Wealthy/Rich, and Manipulator of the poor and stupid :headbang:

I think the only thing I need to say right now is his Social Security plan. One of a few... dozen reasons why I don't like him.

Where did you hear that social security is a basic right to life?

funny how this thread died when we started talking about clinton.

You mention about Clinton in many of your points about Clinton ignoring helping some countries, have you watched the news, many places are in need of help like Dulfur(spelling might be wrong) and some other countries, i see them ever so often, but the Conservative news media does't cover it often as past when Clinton was in office.

Plus the Bush administration has more White House news corp media in there now, look at that Gannon who recieved all sorts of privaliged informaation over evry White House correspondants. It Gannon wasn't even the guys real name, but some how he passed background checks by the secret service, recieved all sorts of privi from President Bush, and the Press Sec. and the guy was a Gay escort provider, i wonder if he has somthing on the Bush adminisrtaion, or on who ever leaked him info, and got him cleared on the background checks despite providing false identification.

Imagine if this had happen under Clinton, all hell would be breaking loose, but not anymore with the Media being manipulated by whoever it is.



Bush:
1) No one can prove he was lying or not. Speculation and dislike for a man does not equal evidence.
2) The UN is not the ultimate power in the world. Syria doesnt listen to the US. Israel doesnt listen to the UN. Plenty of folks dont listen to the UN
3) 1,400 dead in close to two years of fighting..as far as wars go in US history this isnt as bad as others.
4) Just because you no longer hear about it on the news doesnt mean it no longer happens. Honestly you expect news agencies to care about Afganistan anymore when you've got a suicide bombing in Iraq every day?
5) What about it?
6) And what did you expect him to do? Find a phonebooth and turn into Superman? The Presidents power only goes so far and frankly if he moved faster there is little chance anything would have changed.
7) Umm..the tech bubble which created the projected surplus through taxes bursted in 2000. That record surplus was getting smaller and smaller before Bush took the oath of office.

Clinton:
1) Committed a crime (perjury is a crime)
2) Bosnia-Ignored the situation for a long time before moving to help
3) Rawanda-Ignored the situation and didnt bother helping
4) Somalia-Nineteen americans die, we run out and leave the country to tear itself apart. Many terrorists believe the US to now have a weak jaw and step up attacks in the future.
5) Sudan-He hits a pharmacutical plant in the Sudan. A legit pharmacuitcal plant.
6) Iraq-Bombs Iraq for 48 hours straight after they eject weapons inspectors. If Clinton had stuck with his guns maybe he would have actually gotten them back in. But people seem to forget Clinton had a more violent presidency than Bush has thus far because of prejudices...
7) Haiti-1994, puts Aristide back into power through use of intervention..big flipping mistake as Bush has to clean up this mess.
8) Afganistan-Refuses to risk the lives of military personnel even though he knows the position of OBL(keep in mind this is after several attacks against US targets have been linked to him.)
9) 1st WTC attack-The truck bombing occured on his watch, and he treated it like nothing. The folks were arrested and tried but no follow up into terrorism ever occured.
10) If he could have had a third term we would have all seen just how well he would have handled an economic crisis in the US and better yet how he would have handled 9/11. I garuntee you folks it wouldnt have been holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
11) North Korea, in 1994 Clinton came dangerously close to hitting multiple targets in North Korea to stop their nuclear program. However a diplomatic solution was reached. One which the North Koreans immediately broke and continued on in secret.
12) The Kyoto treaty..this was masterful of Clinton who knew he had no chance in hell of getting it by the Senate. Clinton took on the treaty and left it to the next inline to take the fall for it not passing.
13)Wag the Dog. Look at Kosovo and look at where Clinton was at in terms of the sex scandle. We got involved in Kosovo around the time he got impeached. We ignore Croatia, Bosnia, but suddenly take interest in Kosovo? Seems strange to me.

As far as everything goes...Clinton was a medicore president who was at the right place at the right time..like Calvin Coolidge without the morale decency.

I would rather have some one read my emails,listen to my phone convos. rather than the risk that there are somepeople talking about building a nuke or something and no one listening to them. And any ways if you dont have any thing to hide then why would you worry about the Patriot Act.

i'm scared for my kids and grand kids futures also....Kyoto can not be under estimated and America's roe in this is huge!!!

The global destabalising that is happening at the moment will last for the next hundred years....we were 10 years ago on the cusp of a lasting peace that in the last four years has been blown to smithereens (sp)....


I agree that the NEo-cons have greatly diminished global stability with their cowboy foreign policy. Too demonstrate this one time staunch allies are now ridiculed daily by the ignorant Bush alleigent. France , Germany, and our neighbor too the north Canada are bad mouthed by these retards every day. When i ask the majority of them why this despise these countries so much they say stupid things like " they support terror" or"if your not with us your against us". I find myself at times wanting too remove these engrates heads from their shoulders but then i remind myself that that would put me on the same level they are on.I can only imagine what the rest of the worlds perceptions are of our foreign policy since the neocons took over.

OUr country is being bamboozzled , Hoodwinked out of everything that makes it great by a trigger happy spoiled brat who is at the beck and call of a souless conglomerate of money hungry business suits.

They have numbed your wits with fear. The odds of being killed in a terror attack in the United States are lower than being hit by lightning. Not too mentoin in the alst election those most likely too be hit voted overwhelmingly for John Kerry. So all of you soccer moms and nascar dads in Podunk USA pelase stop using the "war on terror" as a justification for voting for these people who are willing to trade your sons and daughters for the benefit fo their businesses.

a few facts for you.
1. the most tax write offs passed by Bush went too people who made over 250 thousand dolalrs a year.
2. The war in Iraq was not sold too congress as "the war of liberation"
if it was the United States duty too "liberate" every nation on earth why woudl we start in Iraq when there are countries in our own hemisphere that coudl use our help?
3. desptie popular belief u cannot lower taxes and raise expenditures
4.in order too do his social security plan Bush is goign too have to borrow 2-3 trillion dollars thus raising our nations dept to astronomical proportions.
5. 911 does not need too change everything!!! grab your nuts and live with a little dangerous fun ( as George Carlin said before 911) or jsut keep trading your freedoms for the semblance of security.

If the stock market crashes we are all screwed. Dont think SSI would be around to bail you out after that anyway. As far as investing. His plan would allow you to invest in realestate. Which is a very safe investment vehicle. Also SSI can disappear with a stroke of a pen from any president from Bush on... The entitlement is not as safe as you may think.
You mean something like this......

http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/floor07-16-03.htm

In just the past 12 months, you have increased the national debt by $544 billion. More importantly, you have stolen $371 billion from the Social Security trust fund. Mr. Speaker, the reason I say stolen is if you take it back and you do not have a plan to repay it, it is stealing. If someone pays on their payroll taxes toward Social Security, they fully expect it to be put in a trust fund just for Social Security and that it is going to be sitting there for when they need it.

That is not the plan, Mr. Speaker. I would encourage you or any of my colleagues to tell me the name of the bank account that the Social Security trust fund is put in. Because you know and I know there is not a dime in it. It is nothing but IOUs, government securities.

Also borrowed money from Medicare and Military retirement, and of course other countries:

You borrowed $314 billion from foreign investors, and my buddy from Cuba will love this one, because you have borrowed $52.5 billion from Communist China. You have borrowed $122 billion from Japan. We now owe $1.3 trillion to foreign nations and investors, including $122 billion to Communist China. Tell me you are proud of that. Tell me the Republican majority is proud that we owe $122 billion to China and that $50 billion a year of American tax dollars go to pay interest on what we owe just to foreigners like the Communist Chinese.

Our children will have to pay back China, Japan, our foreign creditors before they can even get back to paying what we should have paid all along to Social Security, Medicare and the retirement funds. They have to repay our debts before they ever repay theirs.

WTG Georgie boy!!

and lets not forget that the bush administration was caught bribing media peopel too speak well of his "no student left behind program" had clinton done this Gengritch/Starr and company woudl ahve been up his ass so fast he would not have known what was going on . Bush is a lying shitbag just face it . He is nto held to the same standard as any other president because he owns the big money intrests ( or should i say they own him) . And i swear the next idiot who tlaks abotu morals or christianity and even includes the neocons I am going too scream. These people are not people of god (even though thhey invoke god every other word out of their mouth) thats all part of the smoke screen. They are smiling in your face reassuring you that freedom is bad and all the while behind closed doors they are laughing and smacking their lips which are covered with the blood of our troops and rubbign their hands which are as full as their pockets with money. Stop trading our freedoms too line their pockets please America!!!! Wake up and SMELL THE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!You mention about Clinton in many of your points about Clinton ignoring helping some countries, have you watched the news, many places are in need of help like Dulfur(spelling might be wrong) and some other countries, i see them ever so often, but the Conservative news media does cover it often as past when Clinton was in office.

Plus the Bush administration has more White House news corp media in there now, look at that Gannon who recieved all sorts of privaliged informaation over evry White House correspondants. It Gannon wasn't even the guys real name, but some how he passed background checks by the secret service, recieved all sorts of privi from President Bush, and the Press Sec. and the guy was a Gay escort provider, i wonder if he has somthing on the Bush adminisrtaion, or on who ever leaked him info, and got him cleared on the background checks despite providing false identification.

Imagine if this had happen under Clinton, all hell would be breaking loose, but not anymore with the Media being manipulated by whoever it is.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you?

All I can say is No Child Left Behind. People seem to have no idea how much we are going to hurt in the future because of this. It seems good at first glance, yes, but have you actually read it? Talked to people who would know its effects (like educators)? It is too complicated to go into depth here; suffice to say the next generation to come out of public schools is totally screwed.

I would like to see every one who hates Bush be the president. You try pleasing everyone in the world and have your every move scrutinized by critics. You try and be "leader of the free world" for four years and tell me your not exausted from the countless nights of sleep you lose over knowing that you are sending American men to their deaths in hostile places of the world.

I would rather have some one read my emails,listen to my phone convos. rather than the risk that there are somepeople talking about building a nuke or something and no one listening to them. And any ways if you dont have any thing to hide then why would you worry about the Patriot Act.

so far as your statement abotu the patriot act. Do you recall reading about the old communist black lists of the 50's? Or perhaps the hollocauhst in Gremany during the 30's and 40's? The law as it is written woudl allow Bush and the neocon shitbags too declare whoever they woudl like an "enemy combatant". What constitutes an enemy combatant you may ask? well no body knows congtress neglected too clearly define what that woudl be. So you sir coudl be picked up in the middle of the nite and taken too soem secluded palce where you woudl be tortured or perhaps jsut held indefinatly without any right to a lawyer or a speedy trial. Sounding unconstiutional yet? I hope so but if not. You are as dense as i thought you were before i waisted my tiem writting this.

you are actualyl williing too trade our freedoms for this "security" that u think exists. I gues the terrorists ahve already won... thats all i can say too you sir.
Fascism seemed like a good idea too Hitler too and look what that got his country. Now look at the world view on the United states and how drastically it has changed in teh last 4 years.... any resemblences?

All I can say is No Child Left Behind. People seem to have no idea how much we are going to hurt in the future because of this. It seems good at first glance, yes, but have you actually read it? Talked to people who would know its effects (like educators)? It is too complicated to go into depth here; suffice to say the next generation to come out of public schools is totally screwed.
Do you actually think the Neocons want an educated America???

The statistics show overwhelmingly that educated people favor progressive viewpoints. This means gay marriage etc etc ( things that do not harm those who oppose them and yet the opposition still stand strongly based on religious beliefs and prejudices)

The fact is that getting the United states piss poor education system up too par would be too much like a wake up call. and we can't have that...

His tax breaks sent lowly student me some $$$$$ in the mail.

The Patriot act was not just to take away your rights to privicy read the patriot act (http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html)
so far as your statement abotu the patriot act. Do you recall reading about the old communist black lists of the 50's? Or perhaps the hollocauhst in Gremany during the 30's? The law as it is written woudl allow Bush and the neocon shitbags too declare whoever they woudl like an "enemy combatant". What constitutes an enemy combatant you may ask? well no body knows congtress neglected too clearly define what that woudl be. So you sir coudl be picked up in the middle of the nite and taken too soem secluded palce where you woudl be tortured or perhaps jsut held indefinatly without any right to a lawyer or a speedy trial. Sounding unconstiutional yet? I hope so but if not. You are as dense as i thought you were before i waisted my tiem writting this.

you are actualyl williing too trade our freedoms for this "security" that u think exists. I gues the terrorists ahve already won... thats all i can say too you sir.
Well we might as well give up then, right?
fuck yes i would give up a bit of freedoms for those "securities" that "dont exsist" support and enhance the technical support and tactical operations of the FBI, $200,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2002, 2003, and 2004.

i guess that 600 mil went no where right?
no there arnt any resembleces. Hitler was a DICTATOR. Bush is a PRESIDENT of a DEMOCRAY. Hitler began shipping off and killing helpless millions because he was on meth all the time and he thought he could make the "perfect" race. bush however has spread democracy around the world. Yea the more dictators we have the better. As long as no one dies under them. oh wait lots of people did die because of these dictators. And show me how the U.S.'s has become more hated sence we attacked Iraq. When did 9/11 happen what about the bombing of the Cole?

this is more fun then watchin tom & jerry cartoons.. i never knew wich one was right on pickin on the other one..;)
basicly i understood that the americans are split in 2.
some that give examples with what they know is wrong in their country.. and some that ignore all that and go on singing themes like "Cuba is threatening our democracy with their.. err .. err .. their cigarrs!"
Its funny to see how the ignorant side doesnt care about any proof the others may give to make them understand why a bush politic may be wrong..
Someone said that only 1400 soldiers died in 2 years of confruntations.. .that just makes me laugh my ass off in sorrow and pity..
probably this data is another act of manipulation and the real figures will never be found.
you all forgot about the victims of 9/11? thouse are victims of your warring politics dont u ever though of that?;)
anyway.. the fun never ends with the americans.. :headbang:

He made me quit the republican party and become an independant. Actually, that was a good thing.

Everything else he's done, aside from the generally acceptable squashing in Afghanistan (Which we should still be IN, fixing, right now, rather than attacking his daddy's foe), has been against me.

Tax cuts aren't my concern. My family has never been so dirt ass poor that 300 bucks would mean anything to us, except future taxes and reduced quality of country.

The war on terror is a bunch of crap. All we've done so far with the Homeland Security thing is put Bacteria Labs in OUR country, and fund expensive parties in fricking Hawaii. Most of the world hates our guts, including parts of the world I care about, while we're still being buddies with several countries I wouldn't entirely mind seeing nuked.

The country's going to the churches, against a large chunk of this country's reason to exist. We were founded mostly by DEISTS for crying out loud.

Thanks to the patriot act II, I can be randomly hurled out of the country for being "un-American", despite the fact that I'd give my life to defend my home from any invading army, or that I'm the fricking relative of late president John Adams.

He's screwed up the future of myself and everyone I know, but screwing education up. Education is half of WHY America is at all great.

He's done all he can to ruin my future.

That enough?

The Patriot act was not just to take away your rights to privicy read the patriot act (http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html)

Well we might as well give up then, right?
fuck yes i would give up a bit of freedoms for those "securities" that "dont exsist" support and enhance the technical support and tactical operations of the FBI, $200,000,000 for each of the fiscal years 2002, 2003, and 2004.

i guess that 600 mil went no where right?
Are you dense man? the amount of money we have spent on the terror issue and will continue to spend is astronomical. I woudl be more than willng too support policies that did not infringe upon my freedoms. however this whole mentality of "give up a few freedoms and let the government make me safe" is sadening. Our government is corrupt on all levels. Do you really want them deciding what is best for you or too ahve hte ability too infringe upon you rights without any recourse? The deck was stacked agianst the common man before the patriot act but now they don't even have to plant evidence or use typical government tactics too put you in a very secluded palce for a long time. and the saddest part is u don't even get your day in front of the judge. I will grant you this ahs not been abused ... yet ( so far as we know but since they do not have too tell us when they ahve a new "enemy combatant" ther eis no way of knowing that for sure) but teh potential is there for great abuses and ghestopo type tactics.

On a humorous aside. The Republican party is always preaching abotu smaller government. yet they always seem too increase the size of the military and intelligence agencies everytiem they are in power. These entities do constitute as "government" but they do not benefit the American people directly. Unless they are definitively fighting the good fight or gathering relevent intelligence.The war in IRaq and tappign peoples phones and looking through our E-mails and instant messages seems to me too be an abuse on privacy and a form of control and a way too make a quick oil buck and piss the rest of the world off. Not a way too "protect and serve".

BTW WAKE up and smell the Bullshit ;)

here are a few thigns that look pretty fishy jsut form the table of contents of the patriot act.
Sec. 225. Immunity for compliance with FISA wiretap
Sec. 223. Civil liability for certain unauthorized disclosures.
Sec. 220. Nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence.
Sec. 217. Interception of computer trespasser communications.
Sec. 216. Modification of authorities relating to use of pen registers and trap and trace devices.
Sec. 214. Pen register and trap and trace authority under FISA.
Sec. 212. Emergency disclosure of electronic communications to protect life and limb.
Sec. 210. Scope of subpoenas for records of electronic communications.
Sec. 209. Seizure of voice-mail messages pursuant to warrants.
Sec. 206. Roving surveillance authority under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978.
Sec. 204. Clarification of intelligence exceptions from limitations on interception and disclosure of wire, oral, and electronic communications.
Sec. 202. Authority to intercept wire, oral, and electronic communications relating to computer fraud and abuse offenses.
Sec. 104. Requests for military assistance to enforce prohibition in certain emergencies.

Security? What security? The social security plan put forth by Roosevelt has been one massive failure from the beginning. Social Security is a joke. Both parties agree for the most part that it needs to be reformed, if not abolished entirely.

:headbang:

Have you even read about Roosevelt? Or is this some political garbage you have been reading.

My grandparents liked it just fine.

The only problem with SSI is the fact both parties use it as their personal slush fund.

Left alone it does just fine.

yea i guess we should hate Lincoln, Teddy, FDR, LBJ. Because oh say 4 million men (give or take) died because of them. That justifies hateing them right.

look how we got into WW1 man bush must have copied Teddy........

You mention about Clinton in many of your points about Clinton ignoring helping some countries, have you watched the news, many places are in need of help like Dulfur(spelling might be wrong) and some other countries, i see them ever so often, but the Conservative news media does't cover it often as past when Clinton was in office.

Plus the Bush administration has more White House news corp media in there now, look at that Gannon who recieved all sorts of privaliged informaation over evry White House correspondants. It Gannon wasn't even the guys real name, but some how he passed background checks by the secret service, recieved all sorts of privi from President Bush, and the Press Sec. and the guy was a Gay escort provider, i wonder if he has somthing on the Bush adminisrtaion, or on who ever leaked him info, and got him cleared on the background checks despite providing false identification.

Imagine if this had happen under Clinton, all hell would be breaking loose, but not anymore with the Media being manipulated by whoever it is.

It depends on what news you pay attention to. Plenty of news agencies pay attention to Dafur, but its hard to keep up with the Sudan when the nation is at war elsewhere and our attention is focused on other things. Tell me what war did we fight during Rawanda?

As for stuff happening under Clinton, Whitewater Scandal. How much attention did that recieve? The phony real estate deal in which two very close associates of Clinton went to jail but refused to name names. Why do you think the Starr Report was originally intended for? It went from one thing and then led to something else. Heck Starr did what any lawyer would have done in an attempt to discredit Clinton publically and make him seem like a liar(mission accomplished by that) but when it was all said and done Whitewater was ignored and who Clinton screwed wasnt.

Also being from NY maybe you didnt hear of this but I did. Apparently some of Clintons money from her Senatorial race wasnt exactly reported. Big investigation going into the misappropriations of campaign funds and so on by a high level worker in Hillary Clintons office.

Bush supported Arnold S, who in turn is doing horrible with the school budgets. My teachers are protesting every morning before school starts.

I said it was the most important thing in the world?

Q : What has Bush done to you?
A : He cut my taxes

Seems simple enough.

Wow he gave me $600 what a hell of a guy!

Too bad COL wipes it all out.

Taxes are a fact of life. People have bitched about them and will bitch about them long after you are dead.

Have you even read about Roosevelt? Or is this some political garbage you have been reading.

My grandparents liked it just fine.

The only problem with SSI is the fact both parties use it as their personal slush fund.

Left alone it does just fine.

No left alone it doesnt do just fine. I have serious doubts that FDR invisioned that Social Security would reach the point where we're taking on more seniors than our working force isnt exactly keeping up with how much money is being put in. Take a look at life expectany 60 years ago and those same numbers today. More seniors mean a greater strain. Social Security needs to be adjusted to cut payment off to people who earn more than a certain amount currently or are worth more than a certain amount by the time they hit 65. Major changes need to be made. And every other G8 country with a similiar system is facing this exact same problem.

The problem is ever politican is to scared to deal with it.

Bush supported Arnold S, who in turn is doing horrible with the school budgets. My teachers are protesting every morning before school starts.

Get in line. Bad education occurs no matter what party you belong to.

If the stock market crashes we are all screwed. Dont think SSI would be around to bail you out after that anyway. As far as investing. His plan would allow you to invest in realestate. Which is a very safe investment vehicle. Also SSI can disappear with a stroke of a pen from any president from Bush on... The entitlement is not as safe as you may think.

Ahh the wealthy are wiped out by a crash? Hmmm 6 CEO's defraud the investors of over 12 billion and how many of them are going to prision?

How many people have seen no money from SSI? None. How many people see their investments wiped out? Many.

Real estate? Sure there has never been bad real estate investments. :rolleyes:

SSI will never simply go POOF; the people won't go for it.

SSI is far more safer then the stock market.

yea i guess we should hate Lincoln, Teddy, FDR, LBJ. Because oh say 4 million men (give or take) died because of them. That justifies hateing them right.

look how we got into WW1 man bush must have copied Teddy........
Irish perhaps u have not been paying attention too anythign for the past few years. First of all it was Woodrow Wilson not Teddy Roosevelt who got us into world war 1 ( THe great war). Secondly that war was not a premptive strike on a potential imminent threat (which coincidentally did not pan out and whats funny is that the neocons expect you people too beleive our intellegence organizations are really inept that they would give faulty intelligence on that scale). There is some controversy as too the credibility of the Zimmerman note. However our involvement in world war one was decided long before that the only question was which side we would be assisting.

Are you dense man? the amount of money we have spent on the terror issue and will continue to spend is astronomical. I woudl be more than willng too support policies that did not infringe upon my freedoms. however this whole mentality of "give up a few freedoms and let the government make me safe" is sadening. Our government is corrupt on all levels. Do you really want them deciding what is best for you or too ahve hte ability too infringe upon you rights without any recourse? The deck was stacked agianst the common man before the patriot act but now they don't even have to plant evidence or use typical government tactics too put you in a very secluded palce for a long time. and the saddest part is u don't even get your day in front of the judge. I will grant you this ahs not been abused ... yet ( so far as we know but since they do not have too tell us when they ahve a new "enemy combatant" ther eis no way of knowing that for sure) but teh potential is there for great abuses and ghestopo type tactics.

On a humorous aside. The Republican party is always preaching abotu smaller government. yet they always seem too increase the size of the military and intelligence agencies everytiem they are in power. These entities do constitute as "government" but they do not benefit the American people directly. Unless they are definitively fighting the good fight or gathering relevent intelligence.The war in IRaq and tappign peoples phones and looking through our E-mails and instant messages seems to me too be an abuse on privacy and a form of control and a way too make a quick oil buck and piss the rest of the world off. Not a way too "protect and serve".

BTW WAKE up and smell the Bullshit ;)


ok Brothers up in arm's lets get our m4's and get in our abrems and put em in our c-1 cargo planes being escorted by the jets we bought.
oh wait we cant because we cant afford that. it saddens me that you would give up a little privacy inorder to protect your country (unless you're not from the us well.... someone else can take your place). Yea i deffinitly feel that oil flowing the prices are at an all time low. :rolleyes: yea and the french arnt there for the oil... why fight when another country can do it for you and then we just calm to want to help but let america do all the work. And we get oil cheap... Control would be if they told you what to write. It's not like they would read every one of your emails they would just do a word scan for specfic word i mean they dont have to to do shit like read everyone of your emails.

Irish perhaps u have not been paying attention too anythign for the past few years. First of all it was Woodrow Wilson not Teddy who got us into world war 1 ( THe great war). Secondly that war was not a premptive strike on a potential imminent threat (which coincidentally did not pan out and whats funny is that the neocons expect you people too beleive our intellegence organizations are really so poorly run that they woudl give faulty intelligence of that scale). Ther eis some contreversy as too the credibility of the Zimmerman note. However our involvement in world war won was decided long before that the only question was which side we would be assisting.

I wasnt talking about Iraq. yea your right about who it was though.

I'm enjoying the tax cut. I'm enjoying being safe, Thanks Bush!

ok Brothers up in arm's lets get our m4's and get in our abrems and put em in our c-1 cargo planes being escorted by the jets we bought.
oh wait we cant because we cant afford that. it saddens me that you would give up a little privacy inorder to protect your country (unless you're not from the us well.... someone else can take your place). Yea i deffinitly feel that oil flowing my prices are at an all time low. :rolleyes: yea and the french arnt there for the oil... why fight when another country can do it for you and then we just calm to want to help but let america do all the work. And we get oil cheap... Control would be if they told you what to write. It's not like they would read every one of your emails they would just do a word scan for specfic word i mean they dont have to to do shit like read everyone of your emails.
The point is not what they do or do not do it is what they can do!!! you ahve to udnerstand its the pricipal. And by the way we ahd an army before Bush and this war and we will continue too ahve 1 logn after he is dead. What are you on about with the French statement or the military equipment stuff? BTW have you ever served our country sir? I am an 8 year veteran and ahve served over seas. So if you want too discuss military i can do that. my freedoms are what i was fighting for and willing to lay my life down for. Nt so that some numb skulls coudl trade my hard fought rights away for what they perceive to be security. Like i said u never know they could be monitoring this converstaion right now. and yes I am form the United States.

It depends on what news you pay attention to. Plenty of news agencies pay attention to Dafur, but its hard to keep up with the Sudan when the nation is at war elsewhere and our attention is focused on other things. Tell me what war did we fight during Rawanda?


Attention drawn elsewhere? Ahhhm? I don't think so. We are talking about poor countries with little too offer. Rwanda has nothing and so the UN rep was instructed not to use the dreaded G word as it would force action. Even after the slaughter we investigated the possibility of genocide. :rolleyes: Clinton failed on this one. It is one thing I will always hold against him as I lost 2 friends in the killings.

As to your question of attentions and war. Bosnia had no sway in this matter. The amount of troops needed to stop it were tiny. General Daliere said he only needed 5000 well armed and well trained men and the slaughter could have been avoided. Most of the killing was done with spears, machettes, etc.

Somalia took the fight out of the people. Clinton was a poll driven President and so the slaughter was allowed.

What soldiers that were sent; went in to get the whites out.

To the Rwandan's credit of the vow of never again; they managed to send a contingent of soldiers to the Sudan.

Hmmm now lets' see if the shrub will keep his vows of the US preventing people from being oppressed.

The point is not what they do or do not do it is what they can do!!! you ahve to udnerstand its the pricipal. And by the way we ahd an army before Bush and this war and we will continue too ahve 1 logn after he is dead. What are you on about with the French statement or the military equipment stuff? BTW have you ever served our country sir? I am an 8 year veteran and ahve served over seas. So if you want too discuss military i can do that. my freedoms are what i was fighting for and willing to lay my life down for. Nt so that some numb skulls coudl trade my hard fought rights away for what they perceive to be security. Like i said u never know they could be monitoring this converstaion right now. and yes I am form the United States.


well im glad that your in the millitary. What branch?.Any way i was talking about equipment because we cant do any thing about it between elections (unless the pres goes on a rampage) so we have to leave it up to the government to decide what path we go down. the french thing was just a little rant of mine. :) as i said earlier if you dont have any thing to hide then you wouldnt need to worry. im going to bed now cause im tired as hell.
so \\_// live long and prosper lol. sorry

Bush has wasted government money on a pointless war, continues to threaten my human rights, is horribly biggoted towards non-christians, refuses to reckognize any other beleifs than his, and has endangered my life by increasing the hate of Americans worldwide.


I don't like this war anymore than most people; although I don't think this war was a complete waste...atleast there could have been a valid reason in the mist. That reason is the Oil for Food program. A lot of money was shifting around in it, and it's been suggested that money has gone into banks whom are friendly to Al-Qaeda. If million or billions got to All-Qaeda, that could lead to a small nuke purchase or years of endless funding for the continuence/training of terrorism.

If there was any valid reason to take out Saddam regime, that would be one. I hope nothing proves that has happened, but America's government should have definitely thrown political clout on ending the Oil for Food program, immediately. Just the chance of the above consequences is unthinkable.

No left alone it doesnt do just fine. I have serious doubts that FDR invisioned that Social Security would reach the point where we're taking on more seniors than our working force isnt exactly keeping up with how much money is being put in. Take a look at life expectany 60 years ago and those same numbers today. More seniors mean a greater strain. Social Security needs to be adjusted to cut payment off to people who earn more than a certain amount currently or are worth more than a certain amount by the time they hit 65. Major changes need to be made. And every other G8 country with a similiar system is facing this exact same problem.

The problem is ever politican is to scared to deal with it.


Well I don't buy the doom and gloom Karl Rove has people spewing.

I forget the group but it's a mixture of Demos and Repubs that are supposedly neutral. They said SSI will last until 2056 or 8 (I forget).

That's time to do some planning vs Turn it over to big business as it would never do anything unethical.

Savings and Loan, the dot com bust and the recent accounting frauds tend to suggest privatization is bad thing.

Attention drawn elsewhere? Ahhhm? I don't think so. We are talking about poor countries with little too offer. Rwanda has nothing and so the UN rep was instructed not to use the dreaded G word as it would force action. Even after the slaughter we investigated the possibility of genocide. :rolleyes: Clinton failed on this one. It is one thing I will always hold against him as I lost 2 friends in the killings.

As to your question of attentions and war. Bosnia had no sway in this matter. The amount of troops needed to stop it were tiny. General Daliere said he only needed 5000 well armed and well trained men and the slaughter could have been avoided. Most of the killing was done with spears, machettes, etc.

Somalia took the fight out of the people. Clinton was a poll driven President and so the slaughter was allowed.

What soldiers that were sent; went in to get the whites out.

To the Rwandan's credit of the vow of never again; they managed to send a contingent of soldiers.

Hmmm now lets' see if the shrub will keep his vows of the US preventing people from being oppressed.

Iraq had oil bottom line . I can list a few other countries in crisis or that ahve been in crisis in recent years. Tibet is still occupied by China. Seirra Leone and a host of other African nations coudl ahve used our aid in their civil unrests and wars. more importantly lets recap which countries have been "assisted" with a military contingent in the last several years.

in order.
1. Kuwait (has oil)
Somalia ( short lived excurion Bush Sr. put us in at the last minute as a gift to Clinton)
2. Bosnia (UN backed and popular in the polls after press exposure so Clinton said go )
3. Afghanistan(most of the world agrees the Taliban had to go since they were harboring terrorists)
4. Iraq ( a sovereign nation attacked without validation of faulty intelligence in an orchestrated posturing attempt by the neocons that worked and the (amnesiac)American people are now convinced it was too "liberate" the nation.

He's turned my country into a slobbering lapdog.

We won't even sign ENVIRONMENTAL treaties without prior approval from Washington.

This in turn has led to a huge step up in animosity towards Australia from our neighbours- putting me and those around me at gater risk...

He has made the lives of thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan a living hell. His government's economic policies mire poor countries even further in poverty. That affects me because I have this thing called compassion. It enables me to dislike someone who inflicts pain on someone else...

I don't like this war anymore than most people; although I don't think this war was a complete waste...atleast there could have been a valid reason in the mist. That reason is the Oil for Food program. A lot of money was shifting around in it, and it's been suggested that money has gone into banks whom are friendly to Al-Qaeda. If million or billions got to All-Qaeda, that could lead to a small nuke purchase or years of endless funding for the continuence/training of terrorism.

If there was any valid reason to take out Saddam regime, that would be one. I hope nothing proves that has happened, but America's government should have definitely thrown political clout on ending the Oil for Food program, immediately. Just the chance of the above consequences is unthinkable.

The only flaw in the reasoning is that the oil for food scandal was not discovered until after the fact. Its easy too jsutify somethign after its done but that does not chagne the fact that we went too war because we were bamboozled. The neocons threw the bait we took it and whats too stop them form doing the same thing in a situation that we cannot legitimize after the fact?

The only flaw in the reasoning is that the oil for food scandal was not discovered until after the fact. Its easy too jsutify somethign after its done but that does not chagne the fact that we went too war because we were bamboozled. The neocons threw the bait we took it and whats too stop them form doing the same thing in a situation that we cannot legitimize after the fact?

I never took the bait in. If all else fails, and they do find or can prove that money was laundered to Al-Queda,...then Bush will get a thumbs-up...if not, then he's just the common moron. I'm not sure if he planned this or didn't, but I lean to the former. I just hope he stops at this point, and doesn't make any futher mistakes. That's all we can really hope for.

He wishes to abolish my rights as a citizen of the United States of America, as well as a human being.

He also refuses to help our economy by limiting some foreign imports (steel, mainly). He also does not wish to help the less fortunate. In fact, he wants to take away funding for Social Welfare, which is the sole system that barely supports the poor.

He wants to conquer any nation that doesn't agree with the views of the United States. Look out, Cuba... I'll feel sorry for you in a few months if Bush's redneck, brain-fucked agenda goes through.

In short, George W. Bush is a very bad, unintelligent person. He's an extremely low form of Human life, one which should be kept in a cage. A very small, uncomfortable cage.

I never took the bait in. If all else fails, and they do find or can prove that money was laundered to Al-Queda,...then Bush will get a thumbs-up...if not, then he's just the common moron. I'm not sure if he planned this or didn't, but I lean to the former. I just hope he stops at this point, and doesn't make any futher mistakes. That's all we can really hope for.
All i will say too that is that you give Bush too much credit with the plan statement. Also no links ahve been foudn too Iraq and Al Queda (prior too our invasion atleast). We ahve created a terrorist breeding pit from which will come people who will sucessfully attack the United States in the future. Can we prevent that from hapening ? No even Bush admits we will eventually get hit again. Shoudl we let that keep us awake at nite? No because the odds of being killed by a terrorist are astronomical. Is it insane that peopel voted for the idiot based on this issue? Yes it is because ther eis nothing he can do about the before mentioned facts.

I dislike Bush for these reasons:

1) He starts a war based on a 'lie' (it still remains to be seen if he really didnt know that his intelligence network was soo flawed and so politically biased, that the information on WMD's was totally fake. A top respected agent of Australia, even the American CIA respects him, told on the news that his reports were censored and the cia picked only a few sentences to help the americans claim that Iraq has WMD's)

2) He goes against the UN, an organisation that America helped to create but when it doesnt want to work for him, he steps around it. Thats an abuse of authority and disrepectful and destabilizing for an organisation that is meant to be the voice of the world.

3) There are several nations out there with definite WMD's but it seems he ignores them and not doing his famous 'preemptive strikes', probably it would prove non-profitable. Or the Korean issue, maybe he doesnt want a repeat of the korean war where the Americans were forced into a stalemate. And when china stepped in. This prove his bully mentality, when faced with a stronger or equal opponent, he will back down.

I am an Australian and although it may not seem it, I would support the military, BUT only if it was for a just cause. I also think i know why the Americans seem to interfere with other countries more often than not with military force since 1947.

It is basically providing real battlefield testing on their vehicles and equipment, plus providing combat experiance for potential leaders and officers. You can only do so much with simulation and live firing exercises. This is very logical, because humans always have technological leaps when they face adversity on a life threatening scale. (after all, thats how we got our jet aircraft and radar) Now current estimates that america is 25 yrs ahead in military technology.

So no more references on oil please, it may sound valid, but it is tried and quite old. I really dont mind war, in fact i condone it although as a last resort. People die in war, that is a fact, but with Iraq, we now know that the m-16 is old and outdated and not suited for such conditions, the m1a2 abrams are incredible pieces of technology, that there is no WMD's, that the american own ammunitions, the depleted uranium SABOT tank round is very dangerous to its own troops as well as to the enemy due to radiation.

I dont condone combat or operations in cities due to the civilian casualties, they should be cordoned off and evacuate the civilians leaving the enemy forces within, say like a month has passed, before the military should begin operation without civilians involved. That way you wont have troops mistakenly kill innocents and that everyone in the city from then on in are enemies. Plus the troops wont longer be traumitized from the deaths of innocents.

Bush has gone things the wrong way, with world opinion on him very low, he should have said it was a war of liberation instead of WMD's or terrorists, that way he wouldnt have the problems he has now. But at least his soldiers have combat experience and military technology has been tested. That is always a plus if you want to maintain a strong military. although the rest of the world will always see them in suspicion now instead of the famous liberators of WW2.

All i will say too that is that you give Bush too much credit with the plan statement.

I would never give him credit for this, under this context. I just know others would.

Personally, it would make me feel better if that was found out. I don't like the idea that my money went to go kill many innocent people. I guess that's a fact either way. :(

Also no links ahve been foudn too Iraq and Al Queda (prior too our invasion atleast). We ahve created a terrorist breeding pit from which will come people who will sucessfully attack the United States in the future. Can we prevent that from hapening ?

I'm hoping that Bush is right, and Iraq does become a shining light in the Arab world. If he's wrong, then 'god' help us all.

No even Bush admits we will eventually get hit again. Shoudl we let that keep us awake at nite? No because the odds of being killed by a terrorist are astronomical. Is it insane that peopel voted for the idiot based on this issue? Yes it is because ther eis nothing he can do about the before mentioned facts.

Well, the only true terrorist threat lies in nukes, and state funding. Not to say 9/11 didn't kick us in the ass. I don't think anything bad will happen to the bulk of the American people,...just as long as we don't allow state sponspored terrorism. That's truely the biggest threat. That and North Korea.

I didn't vote for Bush...or Kerry. ; )

OKay, I don't know where this argument has gone, since I only read the first five pages, but let me just put myself up in the defense of Bush.

First off, how the hell do you know what's REALLY going on in Iraq? Do you have accessed to classified information? Perhaps bush could have some credible, very reasonable reason to go to war in Iraq, but can't release it for some reason. It's a possibility. Michael Moore doesn't have access to classified information, so he can't know what's going on either, no matter how convincing his evidence is.

Secondly, he's not "slaughtering" civilians and soldiers in Iraq. First off, when you sign up for the military, you are obligating yourself to possibly go fight and serve duty in a warzone somewhere. These people shouldn't be complaining because they brought it upon themselves to an extent, because when you sign up for the military, you should be prepared to serve duty wherever it is needed. Now, if it is absolutely clear, with solid evidence, that the war is on false and power-hungry pretences then yes, you have every reason to be mad, but I doubt you can find sure, 100% convincing evidence that the reasons for this war are unjust and power-hungry. Sure, I don't have 100% convinving evidence that it wasn't, but that's not really the point here. If you want to argue the point, bring it on.

The economy is not fucked up either. Obviously, the stock market and hte economy started faultering after 9/11. Well, what the hell did you expect? Did you expect our economy to bolster after 9/11. With the panic associated with the stock market, under most any other president, IMO, the economy would havre crashed...we would have been thrown into a depression. Bush avoided that, and now the stock market is higher than it's ever been and unemployment is dropping rapidly.

Also, why shouldn't we just go and kick the asses of all of the terrorists? Seriously, it's a problem that Clinton did not deal with seriously. He set us up for 9/11 by not taking care of Osama when he had the perfect opportunity to do it. You should be glad that Bush is going in and trying to deal with them. Also, Al Qaeda's operations are smaller than they have been in years, and they are more disorganized than they ever have been. They're in a panic. Also, we can't control all of Iraq 100% of the time, so of course there's going to be terorrist attacks! If someone attacked your country do you think that the invaders wouldn't face any terrorist attacks?

You should also be glad that the people in Iraq are getting the opportunity to recieve free and open elections. Why shoulnd't they? Voter turnout was higher in Iraq than it was here, meaning that those people care about having free and open elections, and most likely most of them are glad that Bush came in and freed them. If they're voting, that means they wanted to. With Saddam Hussein in power, it never would've happened, and if Bush wouldn't have come in and taken him out of power, Saddam would still most likely be in power, meaning that those people should be glad for the opportunity that Bush has provided for them.

Besides, it's war, of course there's going to be casualties! Nobody goes into a war going "we expect 0% casualties to civilians and troops." The troops that commit crimes are not "ordered by teh government" to do it (ala Abu Ghraib), like those people believe. It's just ludicrous and I refuse to believe that the government should be held responsible for the criminal acts that random, twisted, sick soldiers commit (and I'm not just talking about Abu Ghraic here).

On another note, of course debt and deficit are higher than they've ever been! Our total GDP is higher than it's ever been! It's kind of sad that people miss the most obvious answer.

And the whole world does not hate America. My geography teacher travels to South Asia every year, and most of the people there respect and envy America.

On the whole, I agree with most of the things that Bush has done. It just sickens me to think that eveveryone blames Bush for everything wrong with the government and country right now, and that he screwed up every part of the invasion and our international relations (and if they don't think that, they sure make it seem like it).

We're giving Iraq national healthcare with our tax money. Why? Why this war when we can improve our own country? And while our country is ahead of many others in the world, still we could improve our country to great lengths. I am not a democrat or a republican, but I am against Bush's policies and dislike him as an individual in office. His average good ol' boy appearance gets him elected while riding along Christian conservativism when he is more like your average guy who doesn't really want to go to church on Sunday.

Globalization, while a good thing in many ways, is bad for American jobs. I think it's fine to buy things overseas, but tariffs were put in place by our founding fathers for a reason. If things imported from China cost as much as things produced in the US, things would be much better, and unemployment would be much less. When you read "Made in England", "Made in America" or "Made in Italy" you think, "oh, how nice!" When you read "Made in China" you think, "oh." Same goes for our jobs that are exported overseas - you shouldn't get a tax cut for giving some guy in another country a job, you should get a tax cut for adding jobs here, regardless of how much they pay, as long as they pay minimum wage and are full-time or something, I'm not really sure.

Bush also put America in its greatest deficit of all time. This is not because of a new stock market "crash", but because he wants to add things to the budget.

Enough rambling.

OKay, I don't know where this argument has gone, since I only read the first five pages, but let me just put myself up in the defense of Bush.

It's a dirty job, but someones got to do it?

First off, how the hell do you know what's REALLY going on in Iraq? Do you have accessed to classified information? Perhaps bush could have some credible, very reasonable reason to go to war in Iraq, but can't release it for some reason. It's a possibility. Michael Moore doesn't have access to classified information, so he can't know what's going on either, no matter how convincing his evidence is.

You know...I would like to think our president could share that info,...when going to WAR. I acknowledge that I don't know everything going on,... but I humbly request that I have no obligation towards the payment of this war. I don't believe in social welfare, and I don't believe in unjustified warfare. I'll pay when I get a real reason.

*oops, it doesn't work that way...I'm robbed by the tax man*


Secondly, he's not "slaughtering" civilians and soldiers in Iraq.

What did Stalin say...something like, 'If you kill one man it's murder, if you kill millions, it's a statistic.'


First off, when you sign up for the military, you are obligating yourself to possibly go fight and serve duty in a warzone somewhere. These people shouldn't be complaining because they brought it upon themselves to an extent, because when you sign up for the military, you should be prepared to serve duty wherever it is needed.

To some point...I agree with this.


The economy is not fucked up either.

It's not the economy perse, it's something else.


Obviously, the stock market and hte economy started faultering after 9/11. Well, what the hell did you expect? Did you expect our economy to bolster after 9/11. With the panic associated with the stock market, under most any other president, IMO, the economy would havre crashed...we would have been thrown into a depression. Bush avoided that, and now the stock market is higher than it's ever been and unemployment is dropping rapidly.


I don't believe presidents are the primary influence in this. Our current economic problems come from:

1)China's currency pegging.
2)Our monetary policies.
3)Our trade agreements.
4)The leaning and pressure of political/economic groups worldwide.

That and we had a large bubble in value, which is caused by number 2 on some part.


Also, why shouldn't we just go and kick the asses of all of the terrorists? Seriously, it's a problem that Clinton did not deal with seriously. He set us up for 9/11 by not taking care of Osama when he had the perfect opportunity to do it. You should be glad that Bush is going in and trying to deal with them. Also, Al Qaeda's operations are smaller than they have been in years, and they are more disorganized than they ever have been. They're in a panic. Also, we can't control all of Iraq 100% of the time, so of course there's going to be terorrist attacks! If someone attacked your country do you think that the invaders wouldn't face any terrorist attacks?

Most people think that Bush had a proper response after 9/11, but not in Iraq.


You should also be glad that the people in Iraq are getting the opportunity to recieve free and open elections. Why shoulnd't they? Voter turnout was higher in Iraq than it was here,

Proportional Representation tends to do that. But I guess anythings better than a dick tator.

It's just ludicrous and I refuse to believe that the government should be held responsible for the criminal acts that random, twisted, sick soldiers commit (and I'm not just talking about Abu Ghraic here).

That would be a heavy accusation...one which I won't even try.

On another note, of course debt and deficit are higher than they've ever been! Our total GDP is higher than it's ever been! It's kind of sad that people miss the most obvious answer.

It wouldn't be so bad if Medicare and Social Security were fazed out, but that debt is a very scary thing.

Globalization, while a good thing in many ways, is bad for American jobs. I think it's fine to buy things overseas, but tariffs were put in place by our founding fathers for a reason.
Enough rambling.

American jobs are going to change, and nothing is going to stop that. Although, I would deeply love to see China's currency on the free-market, and not pegged. We would see a huge flux in trade and many more jobs here.

And I missed the part where our founding father talked about having tariffs to dominate trade...could you perhaps lead me to that writing, so I can enlighten myself?

Sorry for the delay in responding to this - Had to sleep.

Bush:

1) No one can prove he was lying or not. Speculation and dislike for a man does not equal evidence.
Sorry our more balanced (only slightly) media have confirmed, hell even our pm, bush's lap dog, has come out and there aren't WMD.
2) The UN is not the ultimate power in the world. Syria doesnt listen to the US. Israel doesnt listen to the UN. Plenty of folks dont listen to the UN

3) 1,400 dead in close to two years of fighting..as far as wars go in US history this isnt as bad as others.
Is one life not enough???
4) Just because you no longer hear about it on the news doesnt mean it no longer happens. Honestly you expect news agencies to care about Afganistan anymore when you've got a suicide bombing in Iraq every day?
Sorry but I'm sure you'll agree that doesn't really answer the question does it?? 4 years on and where is OBL?? It must be the longest period in the last 10 to 20 years that he hasn't heard from him.
5) What about it?
How many human rights is Camp X-Ray breaking?? Again our slightly more balanced (only slightly) media has shown several examples of innocent people being held without the basic rights, infact the basic constitutional rights that americans hold so dear!!!
6) And what did you expect him to do? Find a phonebooth and turn into Superman? The Presidents power only goes so far and frankly if he moved faster there is little chance anything would have changed.
No but I think I and many others expected him to say "erm....ladies and gentleman....excuse me I am the president of America and now more than ever in my short reign.....my people need me....I'm sure you will all understand when you see the news tonight..." Don't think that it's much to ask!!!
7) Umm..the tech bubble which created the projected surplus through taxes bursted in 2000. That record surplus was getting smaller and smaller before Bush took the oath of office.
I'm not going to embarrass myself by pretending to understand economics fully, shit I can barely spell, however the following seems to contradict - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_economy/411973.stm. Again it's from our more balanced (only slightly) media .

Clinton:
1) Committed a crime (perjury is a crime)
Think we should put this one in context!! (lied to save a marrige? v's lied to send a number of countries to war!!!)
2) Bosnia-Ignored the situation for a long time before moving to help
I agree the whole international community should be condemmed for dragging heels on this one. Even their methods of winning this war were questionable. (the whole carpet bombing thing).
3) Rawanda-Ignored the situation and didnt bother helping
Sorry to repeat myself but I agree the whole international community should be condemmed for dragging heels on this one. I think at the moment they rightfully are but that doesnt make up for the 900,000 dead in 6 weeks.
4) Somalia-Nineteen americans die, we run out and leave the country to tear itself apart. Many terrorists believe the US to now have a weak jaw and step up attacks in the future.
I agree.
5) Sudan-He hits a pharmacutical plant in the Sudan. A legit pharmacuitcal plant.
I agree.
6) Iraq-Bombs Iraq for 48 hours straight after they eject weapons inspectors. If Clinton had stuck with his guns maybe he would have actually gotten them back in. But people seem to forget Clinton had a more violent presidency than Bush has thus far because of prejudices...
7) Haiti-1994, puts Aristide back into power through use of intervention..big flipping mistake as Bush has to clean up this mess.
Don't know enough about I will research.
8) Afganistan-Refuses to risk the lives of military personnel even though he knows the position of OBL(keep in mind this is after several attacks against US targets have been linked to him.)
I think the International community could be accused of being wrong to not act with this one, and by that I mean the Taliban (not OBL). However how o we decide what oppressive regime we are going to over throw?? And how do we commit further lives to it?? what makes the Taliban more paramount in the over throwing stakes than say Mugabe? Or Sudan? Or the House of Saud? Or Israel? Or China? Or....in fact where do we stop?? I think that most people would agree that all of these regime's are guilty of unbearable atrocities to the human race but where do you start??? Please tell me where and how do you order them....infact i'm on a run now this point kind of answers your points 6, 4, 3 & 2.
9) 1st WTC attack-The truck bombing occured on his watch, and he treated it like nothing. The folks were arrested and tried but no follow up into terrorism ever occured.
What is the follow up?? With the risk of nailing myself to a particular place on the political compass how can you wage war against terrorism?? My country has tried for the best part of 30 years and failed!!!
10) If he could have had a third term we would have all seen just how well he would have handled an economic crisis in the US and better yet how he would have handled 9/11. I garuntee you folks it wouldnt have been holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
It wouldn't have happened on so many scales (not to mention your constitution wouldn't have allowed it!!)
11) North Korea, in 1994 Clinton came dangerously close to hitting multiple targets in North Korea to stop their nuclear program. However a diplomatic solution was reached. One which the North Koreans immediately broke and continued on in secret.
Don't know enough about I will research. However the day that a diplomatic solution is the least preferrable option is the....well....were already there aren't we!!!
12) The Kyoto treaty..this was masterful of Clinton who knew he had no chance in hell of getting it by the Senate. Clinton took on the treaty and left it to the next inline to take the fall for it not passing.
Didn't take much to carry it forward just some progressive thinking!!! And yes I will blame the entire america on the back of what was said in another response
13)Wag the Dog. Look at Kosovo and look at where Clinton was at in terms of the sex scandle. We got involved in Kosovo around the time he got impeached. We ignore Croatia, Bosnia, but suddenly take interest in Kosovo? Seems strange to me.
See above for the answers

As far as everything goes...Clinton was a medicore president who was at the right place at the right time..like Calvin Coolidge without the morale decency.

I never intimated that I thought Clinton was a saint, I just found it strange what he was impeached for compared to what Bush has done.

sorry for the length of time in reply :p

Lets say I think that you have a dog. It turns out that you don't. Does that make me a liar?(I think some posted something like this earlier, but I felt it needed to be restated.) I don't think anyone is protesting that he was wrong. They are protesting the assumption that said incorrectness makes him a liar. And when you get down to it, thats something we'll really never be able to know.

Lets say I think that you have a dog. It turns out that you don't. Does that make me a liar?(I think some posted something like this earlier, but I felt it needed to be restated.) I don't think anyone is protesting that he was wrong. They are protesting the assumption that said incorrectness makes him a liar. And when you get down to it, thats something we'll really never be able to know.

I answered this self same defence in another thread with the following.

Ignorance isn't a defence, didn't work at the end of WW2 for the SS it certainly ain't gonna work for the man in charge of the biggest (metaphorically speaking) most powerful country in the world!!!

Maybe it isn't a valid defense, but it still doesn't mean that he lied. You must remember that the SS was doing stuff they knew to be wrong, but claimed they were just following orders, basically claiming that they didn't know right from wrong. These are two very separate cases.

President Bush broke my car window and won't give back my Placebo cd...

Oh wait, no, I've got him confused with my ex-girlfriend.

This board is using the same ideals as saying "What has Osama done to you?" He hasn't done a thing to you, his ideals and control did, just as Bushes did.

he gave me a hand job. no questions asked.

he gave me a hand job. no questions asked.
How Christian.

How Christian.

not really, he made me suck him off first.

OKay, I don't know where this argument has gone, since I only read the first five pages, but let me just put myself up in the defense of Bush.

First off, how the hell do you know what's REALLY going on in Iraq? Do you have accessed to classified information? Perhaps bush could have some credible, very reasonable reason to go to war in Iraq, but can't release it for some reason. It's a possibility. Michael Moore doesn't have access to classified information, so he can't know what's going on either, no matter how convincing his evidence is.

Secondly, he's not "slaughtering" civilians and soldiers in Iraq. First off, when you sign up for the military, you are obligating yourself to possibly go fight and serve duty in a warzone somewhere. These people shouldn't be complaining because they brought it upon themselves to an extent, because when you sign up for the military, you should be prepared to serve duty wherever it is needed. Now, if it is absolutely clear, with solid evidence, that the war is on false and power-hungry pretences then yes, you have every reason to be mad, but I doubt you can find sure, 100% convincing evidence that the reasons for this war are unjust and power-hungry. Sure, I don't have 100% convinving evidence that it wasn't, but that's not really the point here. If you want to argue the point, bring it on.

The economy is not fucked up either. Obviously, the stock market and hte economy started faultering after 9/11. Well, what the hell did you expect? Did you expect our economy to bolster after 9/11. With the panic associated with the stock market, under most any other president, IMO, the economy would havre crashed...we would have been thrown into a depression. Bush avoided that, and now the stock market is higher than it's ever been and unemployment is dropping rapidly.

Also, why shouldn't we just go and kick the asses of all of the terrorists? Seriously, it's a problem that Clinton did not deal with seriously. He set us up for 9/11 by not taking care of Osama when he had the perfect opportunity to do it. You should be glad that Bush is going in and trying to deal with them. Also, Al Qaeda's operations are smaller than they have been in years, and they are more disorganized than they ever have been. They're in a panic. Also, we can't control all of Iraq 100% of the time, so of course there's going to be terorrist attacks! If someone attacked your country do you think that the invaders wouldn't face any terrorist attacks?

You should also be glad that the people in Iraq are getting the opportunity to recieve free and open elections. Why shoulnd't they? Voter turnout was higher in Iraq than it was here, meaning that those people care about having free and open elections, and most likely most of them are glad that Bush came in and freed them. If they're voting, that means they wanted to. With Saddam Hussein in power, it never would've happened, and if Bush wouldn't have come in and taken him out of power, Saddam would still most likely be in power, meaning that those people should be glad for the opportunity that Bush has provided for them.

Besides, it's war, of course there's going to be casualties! Nobody goes into a war going "we expect 0% casualties to civilians and troops." The troops that commit crimes are not "ordered by teh government" to do it (ala Abu Ghraib), like those people believe. It's just ludicrous and I refuse to believe that the government should be held responsible for the criminal acts that random, twisted, sick soldiers commit (and I'm not just talking about Abu Ghraic here).

On another note, of course debt and deficit are higher than they've ever been! Our total GDP is higher than it's ever been! It's kind of sad that people miss the most obvious answer.

And the whole world does not hate America. My geography teacher travels to South Asia every year, and most of the people there respect and envy America.

On the whole, I agree with most of the things that Bush has done. It just sickens me to think that eveveryone blames Bush for everything wrong with the government and country right now, and that he screwed up every part of the invasion and our international relations (and if they don't think that, they sure make it seem like it).


I have a suggestion read all of my posts and get a clue . Or atleast stop regurgitating what you ahv ebeen trained too say.

Wow. 10 pages of input against and for Bush and I still cant decide if I would have voted for him in this past election.

I have a suggestion read all of my posts and get a clue . Or atleast stop regurgitating what you ahv ebeen trained too say.

Trained to say? What the hell are you talking about? Please, enlighten me. ANd it would be great if you put up more of an argument than "go back and read my previous posts."

Trained to say? What the hell are you talking about? Please, enlighten me. ANd it would be great if you put up more of an argument than "go back and read my previous posts."

You yourself admit in post number 129, that you only read the 1st five pages. Everything you have said has been used, regurgitated and recycled. No point getting pissed off if he decides to point it out to you. What you have said adds nothing to the argument as everything has been heard before. Please make an effort to read ALL the posts before so that you know what is happening. I am not bagging you, this is just some advice.

But i do have to refute one thing you have said in that post:

And the whole world does not hate America. My geography teacher travels to South Asia every year, and most of the people there respect and envy America."

You said 'MOST' when that is a false statement to make. I live in the region, (actually i was born there but now i live in Australia) and have maintained my links with family and friends over there. ALL my asian friends, which is quite a few, think that george bush is gonna plunge us into armageddon. Even their friends agreed. They are not only muslims who say this but christians as well.
Although my friends wouldnt actually kill white people for no reason, escpecially americans, I do know that when you go to an asian country, pretend your a local. Its so much safer ;)

Maybe your teacher may not know it, but tourists are generaly duped. You would laugh your ass off if you understand their language when they are talking about you. I know i do.

And no, not all of them respect or envy america, alot of them want to immigrate to England, australia and canada if they have a choice. I asked most of my friends and the only reason they would ever go to america is for disneyland and perhaps hawaii for a holiday if possible. So please dont assume that your country is loved at all in the world, i know i personally dont hate americans, its just your nation's government has a history of using military actions to achieve THEIR own means under the guise of helping others. And i am talking about what most mainstream asians believe, that is why you are viewed in such suspicion and the occasional hatred.

I know people want some facts, but how on earth are you gonna to show facts about hate levels? Escpecially amongst the most populace nations in the world? But i was borned and raised in the region so you get to judge the mood of people on certain topics like the 'American problem'. So i will just say that my large family and friends are MODERATES. (i have 30+ 1st cousins on my mom side.....dont ask) So i believe that if this is what moderates thinks, then the hardcore will go beyond that.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.

there was an old poem written by a man in germany during the 1940's

first they came for the communists, and i said nothing.

i was not one, so why should i care?

then they came for the jews and i said nothing.

i was not one, so why should i care?

then they came for me.

and nobody said anything.


i'm not gay, but i am opposed to the rabid homophobia that has taken a stronghold in our nation's government anyway.

i'm not in the military, but i am opposed to the rabid militarism and lack of value for human life that has taken hold of our nation's government anyway.

i'm not an outdoorsman or hiker, but i am opposed to the uncontrolled waste of our natural resources at the hands of our nation's government anyway.

i'm hoping that when he infringes on all that i hold dear, i will have some freinds on my side.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.

What you fail to realize is that liberals are not motivated entierly by self interest. We are able to balance our concern for our interests against those of others and the country as a whole.

There is also the enlightened self interest that liberals tend to practice and conservatives tend to espouse. e.g. If helping another person to double their income each helps me to improve my income by only 10% well then I win because if I do that 9 more times I double my income too.

This is in contrast to the unenlightened self-interest that conservatives tend to practice e.g. if loosing 200 billion dollars and thousands of lives ends up causing Iraq to loose all its resources and hundreds of thousands of lives then we win because they lost more than we did, but we're still worse off than we were.

That is why we hate Bush. If he improved America a lot by hurting other countries a little, or helped America a little by helping other countries a lot we'd like him better. But as Al Franken says (when spouting liberal talking points from liberal pundits I always like to cop to it) "we're all going down the same toilet.

President Bush broke my car window and won't give back my Placebo cd...

Oh wait, no, I've got him confused with my ex-girlfriend.

!!!

GET IT BACK, i'll help you myself... ive got a plan... you get the paste and ill find the egg whisks... it cant fail.

Bush gave me $6027 just because, while Clinton took $12452 in one year. That makes Bush an ok guy to me. Keeps me from having to work two jobs like I did during the Dictator Clinton regime.

Bush gave me $6027 just because, while Clinton took $12452 in one year. That makes Bush an ok guy to me. Keeps me from having to work two jobs like I did during the Dictator Clinton regime.
of course when your children die because of him the extra job will seem more appealing.

First off, how the hell do you know what's REALLY going on in Iraq? Do you have accessed to classified information? Perhaps bush could have some credible, very reasonable reason to go to war in Iraq, but can't release it for some reason. It's a possibility. Michael Moore doesn't have access to classified information, so he can't know what's going on either, no matter how convincing his evidence is.

for as long as he outlaws pictures of flag draped coffins, tortures human beings, bans the use of cameras in said facailites when it becomes a problem, lies to the american people about why he went to war in the first place, and continues to paint a picture of nothing but sunshine and roses, i will oppose it.

Secondly, he's not "slaughtering" civilians and soldiers in Iraq. First off, when you sign up for the military, you are obligating yourself to possibly go fight and serve duty in a warzone somewhere. These people shouldn't be complaining because they brought it upon themselves to an extent, because when you sign up for the military, you should be prepared to serve duty wherever it is needed. Now, if it is absolutely clear, with solid evidence, that the war is on false and power-hungry pretences then yes, you have every reason to be mad, but I doubt you can find sure, 100% convincing evidence that the reasons for this war are unjust and power-hungry. Sure, I don't have 100% convinving evidence that it wasn't, but that's not really the point here. If you want to argue the point, bring it on.

what about the ones who retired after fighting in the gulf war, and are being recalled? the ones who had their contracts extended after their TOD was over and wanted to come home?

The economy is not fucked up either. Obviously, the stock market and hte economy started faultering after 9/11. Well, what the hell did you expect? Did you expect our economy to bolster after 9/11. With the panic associated with the stock market, under most any other president, IMO, the economy would havre crashed...we would have been thrown into a depression. Bush avoided that, and now the stock market is higher than it's ever been and unemployment is dropping rapidly.

right.

the economy starts to drop, we're losing money fast and the first thing he can think to do is not to give a flat-out tax cut to the working people who need it most, but he gives it to the rich ones who were still well off, and then spends hundreds of billions of dollars to go to war, and even has the curtosey to borrow against social security to such an extent that he is now required to spend even more billions now fixing it.

:rolleyes:

Also, why shouldn't we just go and kick the asses of all of the terrorists? Seriously, it's a problem that Clinton did not deal with seriously. He set us up for 9/11 by not taking care of Osama when he had the perfect opportunity to do it. You should be glad that Bush is going in and trying to deal with them. Also, Al Qaeda's operations are smaller than they have been in years, and they are more disorganized than they ever have been. They're in a panic. Also, we can't control all of Iraq 100% of the time, so of course there's going to be terorrist attacks! If someone attacked your country do you think that the invaders wouldn't face any terrorist attacks?

1: iraq has nothing to do with the terrorists who attacked us.
2: clinton did do something about it.

at least... he started to.

but then the republican holyroller machine started blaming him of using it as a ploy to distract them from the monica lewinsky thing.

You should also be glad that the people in Iraq are getting the opportunity to recieve free and open elections. Why shoulnd't they? Voter turnout was higher in Iraq than it was here, meaning that those people care about having free and open elections, and most likely most of them are glad that Bush came in and freed them. If they're voting, that means they wanted to. With Saddam Hussein in power, it never would've happened, and if Bush wouldn't have come in and taken him out of power, Saddam would still most likely be in power, meaning that those people should be glad for the opportunity that Bush has provided for them.

i'd rather see 30 million people in sudan not die each year than a couple million in iraq vote.

priorities, man.

Besides, it's war, of course there's going to be casualties! Nobody goes into a war going "we expect 0% casualties to civilians and troops." The troops that commit crimes are not "ordered by teh government" to do it (ala Abu Ghraib), like those people believe. It's just ludicrous and I refuse to believe that the government should be held responsible for the criminal acts that random, twisted, sick soldiers commit (and I'm not just talking about Abu Ghraic here).

but why a war in the first place?

no war=no casualties

On another note, of course debt and deficit are higher than they've ever been! Our total GDP is higher than it's ever been! It's kind of sad that people miss the most obvious answer.

i'll answer you when i remember exactly what GDP stands for, it's late here

And the whole world does not hate America. My geography teacher travels to South Asia every year, and most of the people there respect and envy America.

of course they do

it's for the same reason they followed us into iraq.

they are third world countries who just hope to gain something by trailing behind america.

if they hated us, they'd be dead by now.

On the whole, I agree with most of the things that Bush has done. It just sickens me to think that eveveryone blames Bush for everything wrong with the government and country right now, and that he screwed up every part of the invasion and our international relations (and if they don't think that, they sure make it seem like it).

yes, he did fuck up foriegn relations.

saying 'we want your support on this' and then flip-flopping and saying 'screw you, we're invading anyway' to the rest of the world when they disagree with us sends a pretty clear message, doesn't it?

Lets say I think that you have a dog. It turns out that you don't. Does that make me a liar?(I think some posted something like this earlier, but I felt it needed to be restated.) I don't think anyone is protesting that he was wrong. They are protesting the assumption that said incorrectness makes him a liar. And when you get down to it, thats something we'll really never be able to know.
No, its similar but different.
Here is what you meant to mean:
Let us pretend- I say that you have a dog to your apartment headquarters. You live in a apartment that doesn't allow dogs. The Apartment headquarters tells you that you can't have a dog in a note. If a dog is found you will be thrown out. You says, "I don't have one. What the (Beep)!" Yu protest this to headquarters, but hey like me better. Months of Apartment security checking your apartment turns out that you don't seem to have a dog. But just to be on the safe side, Apartment headquarters throws you out. Later about three months or so, headquarters realizes that you didn't have a dog ever. Does that make me a liar for saying something that turns out to be untrue?

My response, yeah, yeah it does. It would make you a liar.
If Bush apologized most of anger against him would be gone. But he is stiff-necked and stubborn. Just like in Babylon of old, who the scriptures spoke against...

Endangered my life by increasing, in my opinion, the scope and appeal of anti-Western terrorist groups in the Middle East by his policies there.

Isn't it safe to say that the middle east is going to hate us irregardless of who runs our country or what we do? I mean, when Clinton was president we had no less than 5 terrorist attacks on us. And what did he do to provoke the middle east? Nothing, well, he shot some missles into an asprin factory...

To bad I couldnt bottle all this hate up. Bet I could sell it to the Terrorist!

The No Child Left Behind Act. It isn't all bad, but the whole testing part is torture.

he's a luciferian worshipping butt boy puppet of satan's

he's a luciferian worshipping butt boy puppet of satan's

Yet another soul going to hell i guess

I'd like him better if he'd just stop doing one thing.
















Breathing.

Isn't it safe to say that the middle east is going to hate us irregardless of who runs our country or what we do? I mean, when Clinton was president we had no less than 5 terrorist attacks on us. And what did he do to provoke the middle east? Nothing, well, he shot some missles into an asprin factory...


To be honest it doesnt matter the President. They cant get along with each other much less foreigners.

How do you know? Got a fool proof plan to predict the stock market? You sure the money you invest will still be there if something goes horribly wrong and a bubble bursts? How many dotcom millionaires are now homeless?

The operative word in Social Security is Security.

The history of the stock market has always been....up. Although I do think we're going to experience some economic problems in the future, which have a lot to do with gov intervention than anything.

There is no security if there's no stock market...there will be no social security, regardless of the stock market. Not unless we ultra tax the rich or we kill off the old people. In this world, and in this circumstance, I doubt it's existence will be permanent...not in my lifetime. Medicare will kill it.

I'm not for Bush's plan...I want it to be fazed out over a decade or so.

Everything I would like to say against Mr. Bush has been said already.

That makes me mad. I wanted to rant.

Oh well... I think I'll reclude into my gamemaker 6 program and make a game where you get to kill Bush... my irrational fantasy.

i think i'd rather kill Bush than have sex, but that's me.

Everything I would like to say against Mr. Bush has been said already.

That makes me mad. I wanted to rant.

Oh well... I think I'll reclude into my gamemaker 6 program and make a game where you get to kill Bush... my irrational fantasy.

i think i'd rather kill Bush than have sex, but that's me.

Dude, thats kinda.....sad. But its perfectly ok if you really want to kill people, just as long as its not reality....right? :p How bout having his head pop out of one of three cowboy hats at irregular times and shoot at it with a water pistol full of piss? Then you win a prize of irridiated iraqi soil to own and fill in your garden. mmmmmm radiation, irridiated lettuce and cabbage.

And no every1 i am not a sadist, just letting my imagination run wild. :p

Dude, thats kinda.....sad. But its perfectly ok if you really want to kill people, just as long as its not reality....right? :p How bout having his head pop out of one of three cowboy hats at irregular times and shoot at it with a water pistol full of piss? Then you win a prize of irridiated iraqi soil to own and fill in your garden. mmmmmm radiation, irridiated lettuce and cabbage.

And no every1 i am not a sadist, just letting my imagination run wild. :p

I have a pipe tobacco tin full of Iraqi soil. Nothing wrong with it. Looks like the boxed brownie mix you can buy.

I have a pipe tobacco tin full of Iraqi soil. Nothing wrong with it. Looks like the boxed brownie mix you can buy.

hahahaha aitez then ;) But i was thinking more along the lines of the soil from under destroyed iraqi tanks. Depleted Uranium dust of 236 from a sabot tank round in the soil aint not gonna be good for your health. :p Are you an army personnel perhaps?

hahahaha aitez then ;) But i was thinking more along the lines of the soil from under destroyed iraqi tanks. Depleted Uranium dust of 236 from a sabot tank round in the soil aint not gonna be good for your health. :p Are you an army personnel perhaps?

No, my brother is. Just got back on Monday from a 6 month tour.

No, my brother is. Just got back on Monday from a 6 month tour.

I am glad for you that your brother made it back alive. Me, if it was my brother, i would forcefully enlist him into the army so that i can have some peace in the damn house ;) But seriously, as long as he doesnt develope iraq syndrome in the next few years, then your brother is pretty much in the clear.

My brother is in Kuwait right now. They're sending part of his unit to Iraq, but he's not sure if he's going. My mom's really worried he'll get shot, but I told her not to worry. As big of a klutz as he is, he'll break his leg getting out of a jeep long before anyone shoots at him. He's already broken three bones while in the army. He was going to go skiing, but the army told him they'd courtmarshall him if he did.

My brother is in Kuwait right now. They're sending part of his unit to Iraq, but he's not sure if he's going. My mom's really worried he'll get shot, but I told her not to worry. As big of a klutz as he is, he'll break his leg getting out of a jeep long before anyone shoots at him. He's already broken three bones while in the army. He was going to go skiing, but the army told him they'd courtmarshall him if he did.

hahahaha, ahhhh, life in the army :p so are you americans? Me, i am an Australian. My mom told me if i joined the army, i would probably fall out of a chopper or be very sick in one ;) I wish i was in the army though not serving in iraq though. that place is very unsafe when it comes to radiation poisoning. tell your bro to wear a RAD suit.

of course when your children die because of him the extra job will seem more appealing.


How is my childern going to die because of Bush? My childern have more of a chance of dying with a liberal POS in office than with Bush. Atleast Bush will not do a draft, while liberals seem to love bringing them to the floor for a vote. Not once but twice they have done this in the past year. You guys have to get over yourself and move on with your lives. America will never be a socialist country the public will not allow such blatant disreguard for a work ethic or laziness to take that strong of a hold.

I am glad for you that your brother made it back alive. Me, if it was my brother, i would forcefully enlist him into the army so that i can have some peace in the damn house ;) But seriously, as long as he doesnt develope iraq syndrome in the next few years, then your brother is pretty much in the clear.

He's hardly "in the clear". He's got leave until April 1st, at which point he has to return to drills and could be sent back out whenever they feel like it. He's still got 3 years left on his contract. He's not quite all set yet.

He's hardly "in the clear". He's got leave until April 1st, at which point he has to return to drills and could be sent back out whenever they feel like it. He's still got 3 years left on his contract. He's not quite all set yet.

That sounds bad. Thats 3 yrs of potentially dodging bullets and avoiding traps. Erghhh. Thats some things that is bad about joining the army, unless of course you were 'borned' to do this sort of thing. Well, I hope his luck holds out for you, it seems like there is some poor american bastard dead on the news over here everyday.

That sounds bad. Thats 3 yrs of potentially dodging bullets and avoiding traps. Erghhh. Thats some things that is bad about joining the army, unless of course you were 'borned' to do this sort of thing. Well, I hope his luck holds out for you, it seems like there is some poor american bastard dead on the news over here everyday.

619th Transportation. I think it's 619th. Anyway, he drives trucks. Trucks full of spare parts or ammunition or hazardous waste, etc. He said he'd been shot at repeatedly, but driving big armoured big rigs at 45 mph, he was never really worried about being hit.

To bad I couldnt bottle all this hate up. Bet I could sell it to the Terrorist!
Why would they buy it when they keep getting it for free?

I wish i was in the army though not serving in iraq though. that place is very unsafe when it comes to radiation poisoning. tell your bro to wear a RAD suit.

There was a doco on SBS (for all the Aussies) on DU a while back. Last week maybe? It was so disturbing. People are living and working in areas that, when a Geiger counter is turned on, trigger an alarm telling you to leave immediately. And children are being born with terrible birth defects.

And the great thing is the governments knew about the risks, yet never bothered to warn personell or issue radiation gear until after the fact.

619th Transportation. I think it's 619th. Anyway, he drives trucks. Trucks full of spare parts or ammunition or hazardous waste, etc. He said he'd been shot at repeatedly, but driving big armoured big rigs at 45 mph, he was never really worried about being hit.

Ahhh, Logistics eh? That sounds much safer than having just a bullet proof vest on. And walking. But me, i want to be an australian infantry officer, of course hopefully the iraq issue will be over and we can go back to the old days of peacekeeping. Peace is soo much better than war dont u think?

Ahhh, Logistics eh? That sounds much safer than having just a bullet proof vest on. And walking. But me, i want to be an australian infantry officer, of course hopefully the iraq issue will be over and we can go back to the old days of peacekeeping. Peace is soo much better than war dont u think?

Not much safer. Those convoys are nice big targets, and one of the insurgents' favorite tactics are roadside bombs. I doubt there's any MO that's safe.

There was a doco on SBS (for all the Aussies) on DU a while back. Last week maybe? It was so disturbing. People are living and working in areas that, when a Geiger counter is turned on, trigger an alarm telling you to leave immediately. And children are being born with terrible birth defects.

And the great thing is the governments knew about the risks, yet never bothered to warn personell or issue radiation gear until after the fact.

Yeah, but come on, i even knew about it before the damn doco which i decide to watch for new info, and i am a bloody civilian in australia who made a guess that DU is not all the american military makes it up to be. Contrary to them, it is radioactive, escpecially when u ask ur chemistry teacher about it Uranium 236 which is created after the tank shell hits its target.

Yeah, but come on, i even knew about it before the damn doco which i decide to watch for new info, and i am a bloody civilian in australia who made a guess that DU is not all the american military makes it up to be. Contrary to them, it is radioactive, escpecially when u ask ur chemistry teacher about it Uranium 236 which is created after the tank shell hits its target.

I knew that too. Well duh. But I just wanted to give some examples... No need to get snarky. :p

Not much safer. Those convoys are nice big targets, and one of the insurgents' favorite tactics are roadside bombs. I doubt there's any MO that's safe.

True, and airlifting supplies would be more expensive, so it seems that your bro has to go do it the old fashion way. on the bright side, i thought the yanks were gonna make it more 'bomb proof' or was that just conjecture? well then i am gonna sleep now. ta then

I knew that too. Well duh. But I just wanted to give some examples... No need to get snarky. :p

;) i wasnt being snarky. Just wondering what the world is doing though if such supposedly wide spread information is soo hard to come by. good nite by the way

hahahaha, ahhhh, life in the army :p so are you americans? Me, i am an Australian. My mom told me if i joined the army, i would probably fall out of a chopper or be very sick in one ;) I wish i was in the army though not serving in iraq though. that place is very unsafe when it comes to radiation poisoning. tell your bro to wear a RAD suit.

Yep, Americans. *ducks thrown object*
He's in communications. He asked if the HumVee was going to be armored and they just laughed at him. It turns out his vehicle will be lined in magnesium, which burns very hot. So if it looks like capture is imminent the thing will burn down nicely. It keeps stuff from falling into enemy hands.

He cut my taxes
(and I like it :p )
this is the kind of mentality that we dont need...

He's sending thousands of our troups over to get killed for a problem that is not ours. Now we're going to attack Iran so they don't produce nuclear missiles... but no... its ok... he lowers your taxes. That's what's important to you, and you have a frightingly narrow-minded view of what's going on.

This election wasn't about domestic issues, but these god damn American Patriots who love their country but not their neighbor, and who don't realize that, yes there are other countries in the world... they're ignorant, and they are not going to change. They don't realize what Iraq's going through and they don't care because they're not there. I have several friends who have gone to Iraq. I can't stand to think of what they're fighting for. Now that they have this bulls@#t excuse of "liberation from tyranny. Installing democracy." etc, they'll be able to brainwash any slightly forgetful hick who knew they were voting for the right man.

You seriously have to be a complete fool not to notice the difference from the Republican party to the Democratic party... and still vote for Bush. Clinton lowered the deficit to 3.2 trillion. Bush's little war has hiked it up to 8.0 trillion (rounded). Now that our Social Security is rapidly depleting, we can start saving up for our own retirements on 5 digit saleries. I'm sure it's fine though. Start saving now people; Even though most of my friends are living vicariously through their parents, I'm sure they'll be fine. They just need to work harder, get their resumes out sooner, so they arn't one of the millions of jobless americans.

"Wars create jobs." Not this one...

But... now that there's God in the whitehouse, everything will be better right? F@#$ing Evangelicals! I can't stand the average american... I hope you have the magnificent power of praying food onto your children's plates because that's what you're gonna need.

(Bonus Bush quote at a PETA protest: "I'm glad I had my bacon this morning." Great job, way to be even more inhumane...)

Bush sucks, but if I have to list all the reasons why, my hands will terminally cramp before I'm 1/10th through. :p

I was locked in a dark closet for my entire childhood , yet I fail to see what this has got to do with me hating President Bush. Though hate is a strong word , I dislike him intensely. Yet it does not interfere with my general life. I don't dwell on it. How could I ? Its the demons in the fucking closet.

this is the kind of mentality that we dont need...

He's sending thousands of our troups over to get killed for a problem that is not ours. Now we're going to attack Iran so they don't produce nuclear missiles... but no... its ok... he lowers your taxes. That's what's important to you, and you have a frightingly narrow-minded view of what's going on.

This election wasn't about domestic issues, but these god damn American Patriots who love their country but not their neighbor, and who don't realize that, yes there are other countries in the world... they're ignorant, and they are not going to change. They don't realize what Iraq's going through and they don't care because they're not there. I have several friends who have gone to Iraq. I can't stand to think of what they're fighting for. Now that they have this bulls@#t excuse of "liberation from tyranny. Installing democracy." etc, they'll be able to brainwash any slightly forgetful hick who knew they were voting for the right man.

You seriously have to be a complete fool not to notice the difference from the Republican party to the Democratic party... and still vote for Bush. Clinton lowered the deficit to 3.2 trillion. Bush's little war has hiked it up to 8.0 trillion (rounded). Now that our Social Security is rapidly depleting, we can start saving up for our own retirements on 5 digit saleries. I'm sure it's fine though. Start saving now people; Even though most of my friends are living vicariously through their parents, I'm sure they'll be fine. They just need to work harder, get their resumes out sooner, so they arn't one of the millions of jobless americans.

"Wars create jobs." Not this one...

But... now that there's God in the whitehouse, everything will be better right? F@#$ing Evangelicals! I can't stand the average american... I hope you have the magnificent power of praying food onto your children's plates because that's what you're gonna need.

(Bonus Bush quote at a PETA protest: "I'm glad I had my bacon this morning." Great job, way to be even more inhumane...)


/rant on

First off, Bush is not going to invade Iran. That is more liberal talking points to get the base going. He has stated many times that Iran can be dealt with through diplomatic channels. If those fail, then yeah I can see the US going in.

Second Clinton had republicans that wanted the budget Balanced, the Republicans fought to control spending. It was bi-partisan effort that brought the budget down; at least you didn't spout off the mythical figure of a surplus that always ticks me off to no end. How can a surplus be, when it is projected 10 years out with static spending? God liberals are so f&%$*&@ brainwashed.

Third Clinton in 1998 said SS was going bankrupt, all the Kerry's, Kennedy's Daschles, Boxers etc. Jumped aboard and said yes we need to fix it. Look at thisPress release (http://clinton6.nara.gov/1998/07/1998-07-27-remarks-by-president-via-satellite-to-social-security-forums.html) from a meeting Clinton did in New Mexico. Then again maybe you are under the impression that somehow from 1998 to 2000 SS fixed itself and then only in 2001 did it suddenly become another system that is broken?

Like I said liberals are so brainwashed it is not funny. Yet they claim to be intelligent, my 18 month old son has more intelligence than I have seen in this thread

Fourth- 2004 latest job numbers are 2.2 million jobs created. Not 2.2 million lost and you can not say that they are all service industry jobs. Clinton did create jobs and a lot of them were people working two jobs. When Commander Clinton was in charge I had to work two jobs to support my family. Due to me being taxed so heavily, Bush got into office I was able to quit my second job and spend that extra time with my family. That is worth more to me than anything else. Why should I worry about some country that does not help pay my bills, feed my kids or put gas in my car? I even bought a Hybrid so I could save on resources. I am a conservative; I do not agree with everything Bush does and hate some of it. But I truly hate liberals that refuse to look at every angle because it doesn't fit into their preconceived notion of how things should be.

Fifth- Why would we need to pray food on our children’s plates? Do you not realize that the American Farmer produces enough food to feed the world? Do you not realize that those families that need the help can get it? There are programs like Women, Infants and Children. Family Independence Agency and churches that give aid when needed by poor families, Of course we should condemn the church right? I mean how they dare help out the suffering of others. How dare they build shelters for the homeless, How dare the Church actually give a damn when the rest of the democrat party only looks for some new tax to levy? You are correct there are major differences between the democrats today and the republicans. Democrats do not care for the middle class and look to harm it by signing into law NAFTA and raising taxes to the point of absurdity. Republican on the other hand give families the benefit of tax cuts, increased child credit, increase jobs by 2.2 million for a year through said tax cuts. Who makes the jobs by the way, The Government or the individual Corporations? Not sure what planet you live on but I know this answer, even my teenage daughter understands the basics of Job growth and who creates what.

Lastly PETA is a group I would not worry about offending, considering that even plants feel pain when you cut them. Using their reasoning we should then not eat plants because they feel it when you pick their fruits. Use a blade to cut down their stalks. Plants have feelings too and therefore should be protected from the scourge of man.

All this hatred for the evangelicals is amusing seeing that they are gaining power by the fact of you complaining about them and trying to suppress them over the last 40 years in America. You reap what you sow and the liberals in America are finally getting their due. It is only a matter of time before the rest of the “average Americans” wake up and stops supporting the party of true hate and fear mongering. I look forward to that day when Democrats loose all those they take for granite

/rant off

doomed my kids to freezing winters by pulling out of kyoto

he killed my friend and another friends' son. he is sending my cousins fiance to iraq. he might die. he has threatened the future of my country and brought us on the dark path of war. that is what he has done to me.

Peace be with you.

Threatened my life by inviting terrorism, relaxing environmental standards, etc.
Weakened my spending medium.

I have the best job I've had since the Internet bubble burst under Clinton.

Libya essentially surrendered to US demands to stop making WMD without a shot being fired.

Syria and Iran are quaking in their boots, because we invaded Iraq, which is as things should be. If we're fighting a "war on terror", then nations that support our enemies in the "war on terror" should experience terror on a constant basis.

Iraq is beginning to stabilize. The insurgency has no offensive capability other than to bomb their own people. They can't kidnap a real US soldier, so they have to buy a GI Joe doll and claim it's real. They can't engage in direct attack because it results in annihilation. The Viet Cong could, all the way through the Vietnam War, engage in direct attack against US forces in groups of hundreds - the Iraqi insurgency has no such capability anymore.

Today, as we speak, the Marines are cleaning out the western suburbs of Baghdad. Last fall, an insurgent attempt to draw US troops into a killing zone in Fallujah resulted in the annihilation of the insurgent stronghold - even though the US troops did not have numerical superiority and did not use massive bombardment to dislodge the insurgents.

The Palestinian - Israeli peace process seems to be on track. Bush was right - there was no sense in trying to negotiate with Arafat.

Oh, and I have the right to carry a pistol everywhere I go.

Fifth- Why would we need to pray food on our children’s plates? Do you not realize that the American Farmer produces enough food to feed the world?

Hmmm... can you back that up with numbers ? And if so.. why do people still starve ? If it is a question of distribution problems.. shouldn't those be addressed ?

/rant on

First off, Bush is not going to invade Iran. That is more liberal talking points to get the base going. He has stated many times that Iran can be dealt with through diplomatic channels. If those fail, then yeah I can see the US going in.

Second Clinton had republicans that wanted the budget Balanced, the Republicans fought to control spending. It was bi-partisan effort that brought the budget down; at least you didn't spout off the mythical figure of a surplus that always ticks me off to no end. How can a surplus be, when it is projected 10 years out with static spending? God liberals are so f&%$*&@ brainwashed.

Third Clinton in 1998 said SS was going bankrupt, all the Kerry's, Kennedy's Daschles, Boxers etc. Jumped aboard and said yes we need to fix it. Look at thisPress release (http://clinton6.nara.gov/1998/07/1998-07-27-remarks-by-president-via-satellite-to-social-security-forums.html) from a meeting Clinton did in New Mexico. Then again maybe you are under the impression that somehow from 1998 to 2000 SS fixed itself and then only in 2001 did it suddenly become another system that is broken?

Like I said liberals are so brainwashed it is not funny. Yet they claim to be intelligent, my 18 month old son has more intelligence than I have seen in this thread

Fourth- 2004 latest job numbers are 2.2 million jobs created. Not 2.2 million lost and you can not say that they are all service industry jobs. Clinton did create jobs and a lot of them were people working two jobs. When Commander Clinton was in charge I had to work two jobs to support my family. Due to me being taxed so heavily, Bush got into office I was able to quit my second job and spend that extra time with my family. That is worth more to me than anything else. Why should I worry about some country that does not help pay my bills, feed my kids or put gas in my car? I even bought a Hybrid so I could save on resources. I am a conservative; I do not agree with everything Bush does and hate some of it. But I truly hate liberals that refuse to look at every angle because it doesn't fit into their preconceived notion of how things should be.

Fifth- Why would we need to pray food on our children’s plates? Do you not realize that the American Farmer produces enough food to feed the world? Do you not realize that those families that need the help can get it? There are programs like Women, Infants and Children. Family Independence Agency and churches that give aid when needed by poor families, Of course we should condemn the church right? I mean how they dare help out the suffering of others. How dare they build shelters for the homeless, How dare the Church actually give a damn when the rest of the democrat party only looks for some new tax to levy? You are correct there are major differences between the democrats today and the republicans. Democrats do not care for the middle class and look to harm it by signing into law NAFTA and raising taxes to the point of absurdity. Republican on the other hand give families the benefit of tax cuts, increased child credit, increase jobs by 2.2 million for a year through said tax cuts. Who makes the jobs by the way, The Government or the individual Corporations? Not sure what planet you live on but I know this answer, even my teenage daughter understands the basics of Job growth and who creates what.

Lastly PETA is a group I would not worry about offending, considering that even plants feel pain when you cut them. Using their reasoning we should then not eat plants because they feel it when you pick their fruits. Use a blade to cut down their stalks. Plants have feelings too and therefore should be protected from the scourge of man.

All this hatred for the evangelicals is amusing seeing that they are gaining power by the fact of you complaining about them and trying to suppress them over the last 40 years in America. You reap what you sow and the liberals in America are finally getting their due. It is only a matter of time before the rest of the “average Americans” wake up and stops supporting the party of true hate and fear mongering. I look forward to that day when Democrats loose all those they take for granite

/rant off

I agree-but I wouldnt call it a rant-you were able to state is clearly without all the childlike emotional screeching that people who dont agree with you will use in their responses. Good job.

Threatened my life by inviting terrorism, relaxing environmental standards, etc.
Weakened my spending medium.

Threatening your life with terrorism? What kind of whining child are you? If you develop cancer, do you try to pander it and make it feel good about itself to try to coexist with it, or surgically remove as much as possible and follow with radiation and chemo? You annihilate it-destroy it wherever you find it. And thats what Bush's intentions are with terrorism. Kill them, break all their shit, seize all assets-as well as the assets of those that do business with and support them.

Made the world a lot unsafer by promoting terrorism. Gave a bad name to the West, to which I belong. Gave a bad name to human rights, in which I believe. Gave a bad name to christianity, my religion. Decredibilised the UN (yet an american initiative, basically). Launched stupid propaganda slandering campains against my country. (Well. against half the globe too, to be honest.)

he killed my friend and another friends' son. he is sending my cousins fiance to iraq. he might die. he has threatened the future of my country and brought us on the dark path of war. that is what he has done to me.

Peace be with you.

What a totally idiotic statement. Did they join the military to simply reap the benefits? I'm sure the deceased soldiers you refer to dont share your limited views-they take an oath when they serve. And they dont bicker and debate over the validity of the mission. They are heros-they served and gave the ultimate sacrafice- and any one of us could die on a plane or in a skyscraper right here on US soil-if our miltary doesnt destroy our enemies and those who support them.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.

He encouraged you to make this thread. THis is really a stupid thread, you are saying that if Bush nuked every other country besides the US I would have to say, "well he didnt nuke me, so how can I hate him?" Bush has done a lot of harm to the world, such as the Iraq war. So why shouldnt I hate him. The funny thing is, you think that its better to hate someone for scratching a 15$ cd that belonged to you, than hating someone for killing over 1000 of your fellow Americans. And that is what seperates the Bush supporters from the supporters of everyone else.

Bush has wasted government money on a pointless war, continues to threaten my human rights, is horribly biggoted towards non-christians, refuses to reckognize any other beleifs than his, and has endangered my life by increasing the hate of Americans worldwide.

Bush wasted it? Last time i checked he had the approval of all of congress, as well as the support of democrats such as the clintons, etc. And to say its a waste is a slap in the face to the Iraqis who voted in their first free election.

Threatening your life with terrorism? What kind of whining child are you? If you develop cancer, do you try to pander it and make it feel good about itself to try to coexist with it, or surgically remove as much as possible and follow with radiation and chemo? You annihilate it-destroy it wherever you find it. And thats what Bush's intentions are with terrorism. Kill them, break all their shit, seize all assets-as well as the assets of those that do business with and support them.

Yeah you are right! I mean, ignore the terrorists in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia! target the terrorists in Iraq, im sure there was at least one! But now there are so many more who came to Iraq to kill the US troops! Yes! Bush is so smart! "Break their shit" that'll show them! Neither Al Gore, or John Kerry, were planning to make the terrorists feel good about themselves. Al Gore wouldnt have gone into Iraq, he wouldve stayed in Afghanistan and killed all the terrorists. Maybe he wouldve worked up the courage to attack the Saudis.

Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever, a nice change after that corrupt lying sack of shit adulterer Bubba Clinton.

Social security badly needs to be reformed, and what Bush proposes now in terms of personal investment accounts is EXACLY what Franklin Roosevelt proposed in 1935.

Bush is a man of high moral convictions as opposed to the terrorist loving democrats who put communist traitor Kerry up as their candidate and will try next time with ultra leftist Marxist Hillary Clinton who tries to fool us by positioning herself as 'moderate'.

Liberals loved Saddam Hussein despite that he killed millions of people, liberals loved Stalin despite that he killed millions of people, liberals love Castro despite that he killed thousands of people.

Bush wasted it? Last time i checked he had the approval of all of congress, as well as the support of democrats such as the clintons, etc. And to say its a waste is a slap in the face to the Iraqis who voted in their first free election.

My motto is "screw the Iraqis." Yeah, thats my motto, "why?" you ask, "how could you be so cruel!" The US should not be spending all its money freeing other countries and making them better. let things work themselves out. If the Iraqis cared so much they could have rebeled. Yes they would have lost men. But who cares? We shouldnt! Thats the point Im trying to make! Its time for the US to turn in its badge!

Honestly now, SS would probably be the most opinionated of them all. So far I haven't seen anyone back it up with facts.

Here are some facts people have listed: (paraphrased)

"PATRIOT acts, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, supports phamacist's right to not fill prescriptions for birth control pills, pushes abstinence-only sex education

Not to mention creating a deficit so incredibly huge...

(how can anyone justify increasing spending and lowering taxes at the same time...?)

He shot my kitty."

The first and second are completely verifiable and will definitely affect everyone in the US in one way or another. I don't consider them personal opinion.

he decreased spending significantly in his 2005 budget, just so you know

the patriot act was passed with bi-partison support, so you cant really complain about Bush being the only one passing it. And anyways it's been very important in keeping a terrorist act form occuring again. Due to its use, it has already stopped numerous terrorist plots.

Being pro-life is his opinion, just likes its your opinion to be anti-life. Thats what makes america great, we're entitled to these views.

Most americans support banning gay marriage, so youre gonna be losing on that one anyways

doomed my kids to freezing winters by pulling out of kyoto

Kyoto was the invention of a bunch of lying wacko ultra lefty environmentologists in order to scam governments out of $$$$$$

http://www.dailynexus.com/opinion/2003/4593.html

'nuff said.

Yeah you are right! I mean, ignore the terrorists in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia! target the terrorists in Iraq, im sure there was at least one! But now there are so many more who came to Iraq to kill the US troops! Yes! Bush is so smart! "Break their shit" that'll show them! Neither Al Gore, or John Kerry, were planning to make the terrorists feel good about themselves. Al Gore wouldnt have gone into Iraq, he wouldve stayed in Afghanistan and killed all the terrorists. Maybe he wouldve worked up the courage to attack the Saudis.

We still have troops in Afghanistan-they were there before Iraq. Why do you think the taliban isnt back? Saudi Arabia is supposedly an ally and continue to assure us that they are dealing with terrorists-though we dont trust them and still watch.
al gore and john kerry were to worried about what the rest of the world thought-they would never have made any decisions without france's ok- france who was dealing secretly with iraq and whom saddam hussein owned large interests in companies based in france.
I know you're hysterical and emotional, but I never declared "Bush is so smart", though I believe he is smart and makes decisions based on what he feels is right. (Unlike his philandering predecessor, who governed by polling and hollywood). Bush makes an informed decision and then follows through. he does what he feels is in the US best interest first and that why everyone else is so inimidated.

Bush is one of the greatest presidents ever, a nice change after that corrupt lying sack of shit adulterer Bubba Clinton.

Social security badly needs to be reformed, and what Bush proposes now in terms of personal investment accounts is EXACLY what Franklin Roosevelt proposed in 1935.

Bush is a man of high moral convictions as opposed to the terrorist loving democrats who put communist traitor Kerry up as their candidate and will try next time with ultra leftist Marxist Hillary Clinton who tries to fool us by positioning herself as 'moderate'.

Liberals loved Saddam Hussein despite that he killed millions of people, liberals loved Stalin despite that he killed millions of people, liberals love Castro despite that he killed thousands of people.

I will try not to laugh, and not to get pissed off. First off. Maybe Clinton lyed, but who cares? It was his business. What his sex life has to do with the country I have no idea. Clinton helped this country so much. Much more than your saviour Bob Dole would have done. Clinton got us a surplus, and for those who think he didnt do anything with terrorism. Ask the Isrealis. he worked with Palestine and Israel to make peace.

Second of all. How was Kerry a traitor? Are you refering to the Viet Nam war? First of all, yeah! Screw him! That traitor showing up for duty! Why didnt he just show up for the Alabamian national guard than get fired like the non-traitor Bush! second of all, the viet nam war happened 40 years ago, why is it so hard for all the Bush supporters to let it go?

How did Kerry love terrorists? How was he a communist.

Actually a post as stupid as yours does not deserve any more of a responce. Go back to watching Nascar. Maybe have a few beers.

We still have troops in Afghanistan-they were there before Iraq. Why do you think the taliban isnt back? Saudi Arabia is supposedly an ally and continue to assure us that they are dealing with terrorists-though we dont trust them and still watch.
al gore and john kerry were to worried about what the rest of the world thought-they would never have made any decisions without france's ok- france who was dealing secretly with iraq and whom saddam hussein owned large interests in companies based in france.
I know you're hysterical and emotional, but I never declared "Bush is so smart", though I believe he is smart and makes decisions based on what he feels is right. (Unlike his philandering predecessor, who governed by polling and hollywood). Bush makes an informed decision and then follows through. he does what he feels is in the US best interest first and that why everyone else is so inimidated.

Heres a wake up call for you! The Saudis school system teach children to hate America!

Kyoto was the invention of a bunch of lying wacko ultra lefty environmentologists in order to scam governments out of $$$$$$

Yeah, I did agree with Bush not to sign Kyoto.

I just disagree with almost everything else he did.

[QUOTE=Americasland]he decreased spending significantly in his 2005 budget, just so you know

the patriot act was passed with bi-partison support, so you cant really complain about Bush being the only one passing it. And anyways it's been very important in keeping a terrorist act form occuring again. Due to its use, it has already stopped numerous terrorist plots.

Being pro-life is his opinion, just likes its your opinion to be anti-life. Thats what makes america great, we're entitled to these views.


I agree with you.

The Patriot Act is a response to those whom take advantage of all the freedom we have here. I can still take out books on how to build pipe bombs, or look it up on the internet. But now they can track that-if needed.
Is you're right to build a bomb being oppressed by the Act? I dont care if it is.

Also-Bush is personally pro life, but has never made that political. The only abortion practice he has opposed is the wonderful "partial birth abortion" which is when a fully developed and viable- baby is killed during the birthing process-deliberately. I think any rational adult on the planet would agree that pratice is barabaric and savage. To make it clear, he has never signed anything to limit early term abortion.

What a totally idiotic statement. Did they join the military to simply reap the benefits? I'm sure the deceased soldiers you refer to dont share your limited views-they take an oath when they serve. And they dont bicker and debate over the validity of the mission. They are heros-they served and gave the ultimate sacrafice- and any one of us could die on a plane or in a skyscraper right here on US soil-if our miltary doesnt destroy our enemies and those who support them.

I joined the military. Army infantry, actually. My older brother is in the military still, as are most of my friends from high school. None of us joined the military "simply to reap the benefits"....but the oath we all took was to "support and defend." This war seems a bit of a stretch about the support, and has nothing to do with "defend." More americans are dying every month from terrorist attack than has ever happened before, save for a single month. yeah, september. When you look at avarage total deaths, this doesn't seem to be doing much for defense.
And before anyone quotes the "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States," yeah, we all obeyed, but the oath does not mention "agree with", any more than it mentions "will not angrily denounce when out of uniform."
We need more angry denouncements of policy that causes so many useless deaths of americans, especially those who have sworn to stake their lives on DEFENDING our nation.

I will try not to laugh, and not to get pissed off. First off. Maybe Clinton lyed, but who cares? It was his business. What his sex life has to do with the country I have no idea. Clinton helped this country so much. Much more than your saviour Bob Dole would have done. Clinton got us a surplus, and for those who think he didnt do anything with terrorism. Ask the Isrealis. he worked with Palestine and Israel to make peace.

Second of all. How was Kerry a traitor? Are you refering to the Viet Nam war? First of all, yeah! Screw him! That traitor showing up for duty! Why didnt he just show up for the Alabamian national guard than get fired like the non-traitor Bush! second of all, the viet nam war happened 40 years ago, why is it so hard for all the Bush supporters to let it go?

How did Kerry love terrorists? How was he a communist.

Actually a post as stupid as yours does not deserve any more of a responce. Go back to watching Nascar. Maybe have a few beers.

Clinton didn't get us a surplus, the republican congress did. Clinton squandered it by inflating it to support his massive ego.

Clinton was more concerned with getting queers in the military than with actually keeping up our military superiority.

And do you know about Clinton's long history of having his long time political associates suddenly die on him (during his tenure as gov. of Arkansas) just when they were about to reveal the dirt? His corruption and involvement in the Whitewater real estate property scam? A man who tried to sell us out to international control by trying to sign us up to that nonsensical Kyoto protocol (which has recently been discredited as a fraud and a sham and a scare tactic to shake down gullible governments).

Clinton didn't do anything about the terrorist threat except to bomb some baby milk factory. He pandered to our enemy Castro (the communist who killed his political opponents).

Clinton's the worst president we ever had. A liar, an adulterer, a terrorist appeaser.

How was he a communist?

It's a matter of public record now that Kerry, while still in uniform, met with senior North Vietnamese people, including the head of their intelligence service.

It's a matter of public record now that in Ho Chi Minh City, in the People's War Museum, one of the three national heroes is John Kerry (there's a little exhibit for him there).

Why? Because he testified before the Senate and made egregiously false allegations about US "war crimes".

Maybe not a Communist politically, but for someone who was wearing the uniform, and had sworn an oath to support the US against its enemies, he certainly went overboard to help the enemy, now didn't he?

We still have troops in Afghanistan-they were there before Iraq. Why do you think the taliban isnt back? Saudi Arabia is supposedly an ally and continue to assure us that they are dealing with terrorists-though we dont trust them and still watch.

the taliban isn't back? maybe you haven't been watching the news. The US sponsored government controls maybe a third of afghanistan now. Here's the first story I could find; poke through the CNN or BBC archives for 5 min and you will find more.

http://www.sundayherald.com/33037

Clinton's the worst president we ever had. A liar, an adulterer, a terrorist appeaser.
..good golfer though

[Liberals loved Saddam Hussein despite that he killed millions of people, liberals loved Stalin despite that he killed millions of people, liberals love Castro despite that he killed thousands of people.[/QUOTE]

YEAH!!

I want to know where the civil liberties people were while saddam was raping torturing gassing and maiming for years and years? I guess the Iraqi people have no civil liberties.
Unless of course a US Soldier pulls a pair of women's panties over their head.

..good golfer though

Dang Clinton lovers! He was barely better than mediocre!! (LOL)

Dang Clinton lovers! He was barely better than mediocre!! (LOL)
I'm just pointing out that he had his good points. You know, a decent swing, kept his head still, followed thr...

Ok I'm stopping there, my trains of thought are getting a bit sick

It's a matter of public record now that in Ho Chi Minh City, in the People's War Museum, one of the three national heroes is John Kerry (there's a little exhibit for him there).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/museum.asp

It's not as true as you might like.

Certainly no more treasonous than this photo:

http://www.gmu.edu/library/specialcollections/acsnic6_12_13f.jpg

..good golfer though

He was the best Republican President since Ronald Reagan.

1) He destroyed welfare and helped stereotype single moms making less than minimum wage as "leeches" of this society.

2) He passed NAFTA, even though he ran for President with support from labor. Thousands lost their jobs in America, especially in Michigan, and farmers were kicked off their in Mexico igniting a revolution in Chiapas. Some talk about how the South West USA is being Mexicanized, well Mexico has put its own inustries out of business with American corporations taking over, Walmart, Home Depot, McDonalds, KFC, Coca Cola, Pizza Hut, Burger King, etc. Labor unions also lost lots of power as only 11 percent of all workers are unionzed and minimum wage is the lowest it's been since the 70's (adjusted with inflation).

3) Affirmitive Action was desmantled during his watch and he did nothing to stop it. He did however say he supported it, but he never did anything about it. He also never helped out any communities of color, they were worse of with him than with George Bush Sr. The only law he passed for minorities was a housing act, that's it.

4) Operation Gatekeeper. He spent millions on the border and turned it into a militarized zone. Thousands have died on the border because the militarized parts in San Ysidro forced them to cross on the east, were many have died.

5) Soft Money, he raised more money than Bob Dole when he ran and he set a new precedent with Democrats. He sold out to various corprations and was given more than 50 million of dollars in campaign contributions. Now the only "electable" Democrat is a moderate one.

6) He continued the trend of Republicans by continuing to spend Billions of dollars on the military. The military base in Japan alone, could pay for the college tuition of every kid in America, but I guess we're still in World War II.

7) He never once considered dropping sanctions on Iraq which killed thousands of people.

8) Attacking seven different countries without provocation.

9) Firing missiles at a pharmaceutical plant after claiming it was a WMD site.

It's a matter of public record now that Kerry, while still in uniform, met with senior North Vietnamese people, including the head of their intelligence service.

It's a matter of public record now that in Ho Chi Minh City, in the People's War Museum, one of the three national heroes is John Kerry (there's a little exhibit for him there).

Why? Because he testified before the Senate and made egregiously false allegations about US "war crimes".

Maybe not a Communist politically, but for someone who was wearing the uniform, and had sworn an oath to support the US against its enemies, he certainly went overboard to help the enemy, now didn't he?

Kerry gave for free what US servicemen-POWs didnt give up under torture.

I see so many people rambling about "rights" that it's either laughable or disgusting, I don't know which. Get this: YOU ONLY HAVE THE RIGHTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO YOU. The next time your five-year-old goes to school, have him tell the bully that he doesn't have the right to hurt him, and see what the bully does. It is ironically similar to the world. Welcome to reality. It's not going to change.
You're free to hate Bush, I'm free to criticize you for it and you're free to think I'm an idiot for saying any of this. Argue morals as you will and ask history how well moral codes helped the world. BTW if you want to cite Martin Luther King (apparently cheating on your spouse is acceptable to a "moral leader") I'll cite the USSR.

I see so many people rambling about "rights" that it's either laughable or disgusting, I don't know which. Get this: YOU ONLY HAVE THE RIGHTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO YOU. The next time your five-year-old goes to school, have him tell the bully that he doesn't have the right to hurt him, and see what the bully does. It is ironically similar to the world. Welcome to reality. It's not going to change.

Nah, you only are listing half the rights you have. you have the rights other people give you, and other people defend, and the rights that you give your self and that you yourself defend. Take America, for example. We did not have the right to representation before taxation. No one gave us that right. We took it.
An anallagy (cursed spelling) would be telling your (and I'm upping the age a bit) 12 year old to a boxing gym a couple times a week, while telling him that he has the right to be free from bullying. then, when the bully gets a broken nose, telling the principal the same thing. Your son would then have taken (and defended) his rights.
And this anallagy (argh!) is from personal experience. My son does have the right to be free from bullying, as does every other kid in school. But they need to take it.

not really, he made me suck him off first.

He made me deflower his daughters and mother.

I can find a lot of reasons to dislike Bush. I am only going put a couple of things that are obvious or that I have researched. Bush is a very religious man and that has to much of a role in his decision making.

Gay marriage should be legal and Bush should be fighting to make it that way, since everyone is supposed to be equal in America. Gay people should have the same rights as straight people. There is nothing complicated about that.
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Abstinence only education is stupid. It leaves teens and kids misinformed or just uninformed. Education is important, it is just stupid not to teach kids what they need to know.
"You see, for all the carnage in President Bush's budget, one program is being showered with additional cash - almost three times as much as it got in 2001. It's "abstinence only" sex education, and the best research suggests that it will cost far more lives than the Clinton administration's much more notorious sex scandal."

"For that reason, almost all sex-ed classes in America already encourage abstinence. But abstinence-only education isn't primarily about promoting abstinence - it's about blindly refusing to teach contraception.

To get federal funds, for example, abstinence-only programs are typically barred by law from discussing condoms or other forms of contraception - except to describe how they can fail. So kids in these programs go all through high school without learning anything but abstinence, even though more than 60 percent of American teenagers have sex before age 18." - NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF (NY Times)
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Stem-Cell research should be legal. America will fall behind in medical technology. Some other countries and private orginizations, a lot of useful things are going to come from stem-cell research and America will be paying a lot for them in the future.
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Bush is spending a lot of money and cutting taxes... enough said, it's stupid.
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Bush lies. I'd have to find it all again, but he lied a lot in the election. Both sides lie, but his seemed to lie the most. And sometimes not really lie, but change the facts around a lot.
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That's what I can think of right now, but I'm sure there is plenty more.

He keeps subordinates that insult my heritage, incedentally their own heritage (Rumsfeld), he tried to lower the amount of money I have to earn before I have to pay taxes (overseas citizens), and he gets a lot of people to insult my heritages (Americans and non-Americans alike) by polarizing the world between the two.

Certainly no more treasonous than this photo:

http://www.gmu.edu/library/specialcollections/acsnic6_12_13f.jpg

Hmm, not really, considering how Dick was the president, and a darn good one as well.

Hmm, not really, considering how Dick was the president, and a darn good one as well.

They were both visiting the respective countries as official representatives of the US government.

He lied to me. He lied to the whole world. Is that a start?

Cut my taxes. Kept the country from swinging wildly farther toward socialism. Did the right thing in Afganistan, screwed up in Iraq, harmed freedoms with the Patriot Act and Homeland security. Made my wait to get on airplanes longer. And he's still 10 times better than Gore or Kerry. Oh for a President that actually is capable of doing more good than harm. I don't expect to see one in my lifetime.

Cut my taxes. Kept the country from swinging wildly farther toward socialism. Did the right thing in Afganistan, screwed up in Iraq, harmed freedoms with the Patriot Act and Homeland security. Made my wait to get on airplanes longer. And he's still 10 times better than Gore or Kerry. Oh for a President that actually is capable of doing more good than harm. I don't expect to see one in my lifetime.

Very well put. Agree with this 100%

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.
Bush has:

-cut funding to a program i credit with getting me through high school
-increased funding to programs proven to INCREASE teen STD infection rates, putting my little brother in direct danger
-spent nearly $200 billion tax payer dollars on a war in a country that never attacked America, and did not even have the capability to attack America, at a time when those funds are urgently needed for numerous domestic issues
-lied publicly to the American public (and, therefore, to me) on numerous documented occasions
-embarassed me and my country in virtually every major diplomatic effort of his career, and helped America become an international joke

plus, he killed my kitten.

He made me constipated.

He made me constipated.

Maybe John Kerry can help you with that. Seems he spews crap out of his mouth. Doesnt have a problem at all getting it out

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.
Well, let's see... he lied about the No Child Left Behind Act, and now refuses to give it the funds he said he would. This affects me very directly since I'm in high school. Teachers spend so much time teaching to the test and we never learn anything new becuase all we do is practice taking multiple-choice tests for like a week before the standarized tests come.

And why? becuase if we fail the impossibly hard daedlines to meant yet again, we will lose even more funding. It's ironic how the schools with the least resources and money have the hardest time meeting the requirements to get that tiny bit of cash from the Feds. And what happens to these needy schools when not enough students do well enough for the school to meet requirements? More money is taken away. The schools that need it the most get it taken away. THAT"S what he's done to me personally.

I just remembered something else he did to me. He sent to 19 year old kids from my school off to die in Iraq. They just left high school in 2003 and their lives are over already. Thank's Dubya!, you fucking bastard.

:sniper: :p To me personally, nothing. To the world, well, let's just say I wouldn't have room to print all the crap he's done thus far. Sorry, he lies and thinks he's perfect---that's bad enough.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.
Charles Manson never killed me nor anyone in my family but that doesn't mean he wasn't bad

Just because he hasn't done anything directly to me as such, that doesn't stop me from judging his actions and reacting to them. Being that he IS President, he puts himself in that position.

E.g. Ted Bundy or Hitler never did anything to me but ofcourse I still think they are monsters. I'm not saying Bush is as bad as these two, or that bad at all really. I'm just pointing out that someone doesn't have to do something to you directly for it to disgust you.

Maybe John Kerry can help you with that. Seems he spews crap out of his mouth. Doesnt have a problem at all getting it out

I need to poop not vomit [or reverse poo], damnit!

I need to poop not vomit [or reverse poo], damnit!

Didnt you ever see that South Park episode where they figured out how to crap out there mouth? It proves that it can be done!
:p

Well. this is my first post on here, and i am immediately seeing the smileys :)

time for some integration.

I think Bush is not suited to be the president, but i would choose him over kerry any day. Sure, he is doing some pretty screwed up things, but those things may be able to be repaired. He went and screwed America in favor of Iraq. Why? I have no clue. He should have :sniper: 'd osama and sadam in the beginning and just denied the whole thing. but noooooo, we have to invade.

i'm indifferent towards bush

He met my grandpa.

And now my grandpa is dying.

Its all his fault.

:D

Maybe John Kerry can help you with that. Seems he spews crap out of his mouth. Doesnt have a problem at all getting it out

John who?

Let it go, his 15 minutes is over.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.

Supported a consitutional amendment to deprive me of equality under the law and in effect, supported making me a second class citizen.

John who?

Let it go, his 15 minutes is over.

John? Who said anything about... Who the hell was I talking about? Oh well...

The fact of the matter is that Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He grew up with everything money could buy and more. Because his father was the president he had certain privliges that would find anyone else in prison. If bush found something too hard or time consuming he would quit and it would be alright because of who he is. I certainly wouldn't want a president who was a quitter.
By giving up alcohol and accepting Jesus he won the evangelical vote. He makes decisions based on what the christian would like instead of deciding what's best for the individual citizens who may have a different religion (although you can hardly blame him. The primary goal of the government is to be re-elected).
I think that peoples opinions of Bush were swayed a bit by Michael Moore's propaganda films.

Hey, did anyone notice even before he was re-elected, people around the globe died? Some very shocking and drastic deaths occurred. First, on 2 November, Theo van Gogh (assasinated by extremist). Arafat (disease or heart failure). Prince Bernard (old age). Nelson Mandela's son (AIDS). The Chinese ex-premier (old age, probably). The Queen of Luxemburg.

What's more, Castro breaks his leg, Harry shows up in a Nazi costume, Charles is engaged with the woman that caused his divorce and the Pope has serious health problems. I think God is trying to tell Dubya something.

Hey, did anyone notice even before he was re-elected, people around the globe died? Some very shocking and drastic deaths occurred. First, on 2 November, Theo van Gogh (assasinated by extremist). Arafat (disease or heart failure). Prince Bernard (old age). Nelson Mandela's son (AIDS). The Chinese ex-premier (old age, probably). The Queen of Luxemburg.

What's more, Castro breaks his leg, Harry shows up in a Nazi costume, Charles is engaged with the woman that caused his divorce and the Pope has serious health problems. I think God is trying to tell Dubya something.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic...

Hey, did anyone notice even before he was re-elected, people around the globe died? Some very shocking and drastic deaths occurred. First, on 2 November, Theo van Gogh (assasinated by extremist). Arafat (disease or heart failure). Prince Bernard (old age). Nelson Mandela's son (AIDS). The Chinese ex-premier (old age, probably). The Queen of Luxemburg.

What's more, Castro breaks his leg, Harry shows up in a Nazi costume, Charles is engaged with the woman that caused his divorce and the Pope has serious health problems. I think God is trying to tell Dubya something.

hahahahhahahahaahahhahahaha omg. yeah i tink he is trying to tell dubya something ;) "YOURE NEXT!!!!" lolz!! omg. neway, I still dislike bush. had loads of reason but cant remember it now. soooo sleepy. i hat....bush.....cuz....my cows....and the donkeys.....u sick bastard......yuck

Supported a consitutional amendment to deprive me of equality under the law and in effect, supported making me a second class citizen.

By giving up alcohol and accepting Jesus he won the evangelical vote. He makes decisions based on what the christian would like instead of deciding what's best for the individual citizens who may have a different religion (although you can hardly blame him. The primary goal of the government is to be re-elected).
I think that peoples opinions of Bush were swayed a bit by Michael Moore's propaganda films.
I think Pracus' point was in reference to concerns of the 'evangelical/Christian vote'' point there. Correct?

I don't know about the rest of the world, but watching Fahrenheit 9/11 didn't particularly make me dislike Bush any more than I did already. In parts it made me feel sorry for him and for what he has to put up with. E.g. The lady whose son was killed in Iraq: a tregedy yes, but first of all she supports the war then denounces it! Huh? Anyone with the opinion that a soldier going to war has a 100% chance of coming back alive really needs to be slapped.

I see alot of hate Bush postings lately. What personally has he done to you? Did he kill your kitten? Crap in your toilet and didnt flush? Scratched your favorite CD? I mean really what the hell is wrong with people to have so much hatred? Were you not held as a child? Did your parents lock you in a dark closet your whole childhood? Really this baffles me... He has done alot of good things i think. Im not a Republican either. Enlighten me on these crazed haters of Bush.
I don't think I hate him, but I certainly don't like him. Anyway, the big thing that I don't like about him is that he launched an illegal unecessary war killing >100,000 Iraqis and over 1000 US troops. He's also massively expanded government spending. There are too many reasons for dissaproving of his presidency to list.

Nixon (yes, Nixon) had more integrity than this man.
Absolutely, without question. If Bush had been in Nixon's place he wouldn't have resigned.