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I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

you pretty much answered your own question...

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

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I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

Because you think of it in your terms, they think of it in their terms. The USSR thought they were the best country of all time for the entire cold war...

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

LOL

Failed by the education system.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
you were getting close to areal question, and then you hit rhetorical. nice tr

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
Oh, you're new. Otherwise you're a regular with a new name deliberately trying to annoy people. Are there really Americans out there who don't know why people hate their goverment? I find that hard to believe. I suspect you are a troll.

you were getting close to areal question, and then you hit rhetorical. nice tr
I don't hit anythig. What r u trying to say?

I don't hit anythig. What r u trying to say?
Try here (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetorical)

well, most people probably don't hate the U.S. but rather its foriegn policies. Also, the people that actually hate the U.S. are usually more vocal.

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seconded

I don't hit anythig. What r u trying to say?
Deliberately obtuse. Check. Poor speller (by design?), hinting at youth and inexperience. Check. My troll senses are tingling.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
Come on. This is such a generalized and untrue statement.

Have you ever traveled out side the U.S.? Do you know what others think of this country personally? Or are you just repeating a tired old whine that nobody else like us? Do you assume the world is divided up into Americans and everyone else with everyone else all thinking the same thing and having the same opinions?

We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people.

Freest? that's a little subjective. And maybe you should try helping without bombs, someday. The Tsunami thing is a nice start, but the US didn't exactly take the lead on that one.

Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

Ooooh, but this one is great.

Firstly, No, you are not. The USA is (supposed to be) secular; you have no official church.

Secondly, I don't want to hear the word of the Lord. Shut up about it already. I hate that.

Thirdly, you're going to hell, because you didn't type "Lord" with a capital letter. Jesus hates your bad grammar.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

1- We don't hate america(at least I don't).

2- Stopping Hitler and communism is all well and good, but it happened a little while back, and things have changed since then (your political leaders and foreign policies, among other things)

3- Spreading democracy and freedom: sometimes you did, and sometimes you did the opposite. Look up your country's formerly top secret documents about military operations in south america over 25 years ago, and you'll find out that while you did spread democracy to certain parts of the world, in others you toppled decratic regimes and replaced them with murderous puppets who served your economic interests. El Salvador comes to mind.

4- Strongest country, certainly. Freeest is debatable, what with the sudden drop in civil rights and privacy you americans are suffering in the name of fighting terrorists. As for using it to help other poeple... Let's just say the war in Irak is far from having unanimous support, even among americans themselves.

5- What does being a "Christian nation" have anything ever to do with this issue?

I can't undrstand why people hate the America.

Because America makes the baby Jesus cry.

We do so much good for the owrld.

owrld ... hrmmm ....
Assuming you mean "world", name one thing the world could not have done without the US. One thing.

We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom.

Meh ... I think the Russians were doing a fine job against Hitler by the time we stepped in.

We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people.

Strongest? Maybe ...
Free-est? No. If we were truly free, then I could be openly Muslim without getting harrassed.

Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord.

No we're not and no we don't.

Why do you hate us?

Because we can.

Should I also point out that America is also spreading Capitalism? While hiding it behind the word Democracy....? Not every Nation on earth may want Capitalism.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

I think it's because:

1) You do so much good for the world (just butt out).
2) You stopped Hitler (that was actually the Russians and the British).
3) You stopped Communism (that was actually Gorbachev).
4) You spread democracy and freedom (didn't do Iraq much good).
5) You have the freeest and strongest nation (well that's not bragging - and it's wrong)
6) You are a Christian nation (and that's a good thing?).

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
But hey, good topic...everyone likes a good roasting of US policies for breakfast... :p

Edit: whatever you do, don't acknowlege my accusations of flamebaiting.

It's just me having a little fun with you guys.

Or maybe it's not.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. ?

http://homepage.mac.com/onegoodmove...nchboycott.html

O'Reilly on the French Boycott. That is what I hate, he is on the same line as Bush, Rummy and Pearl.

We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. ?
wrong I also hate the ignorant view about WWII in wich Russia did a hell more then the US against Germany. You also forget that the last EU outpost of liberty: the UK fought Germany alone during years after the losing of its Belgian, Dutch, Denish, Norwegian, Polish and French friends. All those nations to killed some 300.000 Germans while fighting them bedfore being concured. Noop, USSR imploded, the role of the US most be seen as a role in Nato.


We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people.


Hahahaha, ever went abroad? EU is much more free in freedom of speach and politics.

It's just me having a little fun with you guys.

Or maybe it's not.
Then again...maybe you just WANT us to think it isn't you, when it really is...or you're trying to make us think it's you when it really isn't...

Owwww...my head hurts. Anyway, *yawn*....

2) You stopped Hitler (that was actually the Russians and the British).
3) You stopped Communism (that was actually Gorbachev).
5) You have the freeest and strongest nation (well that's not bragging - and it's wrong)


2. Yes the Americans only Aided in Europe, the Russians and British did the Major work.
3. Maybe we wanted Communism? Who said it was a bad thing, while not being byest?
5. Strongest yes, i highly doubt Freest.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

What the world hates is your hypocritical government that only really cares about its own well-being. It spreads "freedom" by imposing its own moral code on other countries, but only helps countries it has a vested interest in or when the rest of the world would look down upon it for not doing so. I would go into historical examples if I were not at work and needingt o be back at my desk in 90 seconds (and I don't really want the nit-pickers that inhabit just about every forum ever created to blast any slight mistakes in my examples).

I'm sure there are millions of nice, hard-working Americans. You just have a raving jackass representing you.

Deliberately obtuse. Check. Poor speller (by design?), hinting at youth and inexperience. Check. My troll senses are tingling.

Now I think about it, you're right.

Well, you're arogant beyond reason(i.e. credit yourself with stopping Hitler all by yourself)
You don't count as the freeest nation in the world if you have to be a white christian in order to be free
You also think that your a great country because you force Christianity on people who have the right to choose their own religion.
You make decisions that you assume will benifit the rest of the world even when the rest of the world thinks you are wrong.
And being very strong doesn't make people like you. Take Canada, there are more submarines in the West Edmonton Mall then in our Navy and you don't hear the rest of the world yelling at us.

Being the veteran of this forum that I am, I think this counts as the 34th time someone has posted this thread.

Ok, you convinsed me. the usa sux. When I'm old enough I'm going to go to a nice iland. Maybe jamaca or cuba. Then I'll give the americans the finger from across the ocean.

Now I think about it, you're right.
Notice he never ever defends his honour and declares himself to be on the level...another clue...

Ok, you convinsed me. the usa sux. When I'm old enough I'm going to go to a nice iland. Maybe jamaca or cuba. Then I'll give the americans the finger from across the ocean.

Good for you! Thats the way to handle life, I reccomend Jamaica.

*sigh* Why did I bother trying to answer this? I always fall for it.

You'd think I'd be used to it and stop getting worked up in the face of ignorance and obvious trollery, but I guess I'm not.

It's kind of what 12345...(don't remember the sequence of all his numbers) does...

The america that fought world war two has passed from the earth, the america that the world loathes has brought the loathing completely upon itself with its unending greed and arrogant misuse of power.

The dangerous and uncivilized religious mania of many americans also makes the US deserve its bad reputation.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
>_<

Learn some proper grammar

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

It were indeed the Russians who made Germany surrender. But i think Germany itself did a pretty good job too: Hittler took out some of his finest officers and couldn't be called a good ruler. Perhaps you don't realise that germany developed the first jet, only Hitler didn't want to use it. If he had, not one single paratrooper had made it out of his plane.

You didn't stop communism, look at Vietnam....did a pretty good job stopping communism over there (sorry for the sarcasm)

How can you spread democrasy if you don't have that yourself? The election system the USA has isn't what i can call democratic. Americans don't give their vote directly, which means that in one state, the votes of thousands of people don't even count.

What you call freedom is highly subjective to the kapitalism that basically rules your country. You are free if you can pay for it.

And your definetly not the strongest country. What you think of as strong, is in my opinion some psycho's with mass-destruction weapons. That ain't strong, that's just dangerous, you don't let a kid play with a machinegun...
Personally i think the russians for example are far stronger. Perhaps their economy isn't that great and their techonology ain't really up to date, but their people are incredibly smart and far more patriotic. Just look at Stalingrad, i can't see the Americans do the same as the Russians did there.

And you don't spread the word of God, you just abuse it to justify your actions. Just as so many popes did in the dark ages.

And most of all, you don't do so much good for the world. it's because of your liberalistic regime, poor countries are getting poorer every day. and the worst of all is that you think that it is your right to go and tell somewehere else what to do and what regime to follow, while they didn't ask for that. I heard the last speach of Bush, so....iran's next now....?

I do not hate the Americans, but i hate america because of what it stands for, a kapitalistic regime which imposes its will to others.

Wake up and see reality...

(and sorry if i have offended some of you, but this is what i think of it)

jealousy

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

1. Britain and Russia stopped Hitler - the USA's isolationist attitude was a reason why a second world war broke out.

2. Are you sure oppressing Iraqis, abusing prisoners, going on illegal wars are really good for the world?

3. Are you sure that you are the 'freeest' country - do you really know how much is censored in America, how much you're not told?

4. You seem to spread the word of the Christian Lord, but have little regard for other religions

Hmmmm, I do wonder why other people seem to dislike you.....

I can't undrstand why people hate the America.
You must be joking, anything that is, someone, somewhere, sometime hated it...welcome to reality, hope the landing didnt give you too bigger jolt.

We do so much good for the owrld.
So does death, but I for one prefer to avoid it so long as I can.

We stopped hitler
My grandfathers were not American, are you suggesting that they imagined going off to war and doing their bit to stop Hitler...?

we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom.
Substantiate this statement with facts, evidently how many times has the US prevented democracy and freedom?

We have the freeest and strongest country in the world No you dont, for a conjuction to be true, both conjuncts must be true. I live in a country where greater freedom is enjoyed than is enjoyed by US citizens.

and we use it to help people.
In some cases and hurt them in others.

Plus we are a christian nation
No although I will concede that the US either has a disporportionate level of religious fanatics when compared to most modern industrialised democratically ideolised, or the religious fanatics of the US are particularly loud and attention grabbing.

socities and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
I dont accept that every US citizen is engaged in religious imperialism, in fact I doubt that the majority of them are.

http://homepage.mac.com/onegoodmove...nchboycott.html
Hahahaha, ever went abroad? EU is much more free in freedom of speach and politics.

I think what you're neglecting is that here in America we're free to believe what we want without regard to mountains of evidence that we're completly wrong.

We still have people who think that the invasion of Iraq was retaliation for September 11th.

We have people who think that the only reason we ever went into Iraq was to spread democracy (we're spreading it awfully thin and laying it on awfully thick).

We have people who think that Dubya campaigned on a platform of Social Security reform and that Social Security will be bankrupt in 10 years unless he bankrupts it in 2 years which he'd better do soon.

We have people who think that their chocolate ration was raised to 20 grams per week... Oops, bubbles of "1984" seem to be popping in and out of Oceana...Dammit!.. America more and more these days.

You people in the rest of the world don't have that sort of freedom. You're beliefs are somehow contingent upon some archaic notion of "objective reality." Here we know that it's called objective because we all object to it.

Hahahaha, ever went abroad? EU is much more free in freedom of speach and politics.

except when it comes to censorship over issues like the swatiska and religious symbols, right?

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

Take your pick. Ignorance or jealosy, or both.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
They don't hate Americans, they hate ignorant, savage religious fanatics who think they are god's gift to mankind, who come around not speaking the language, acting snotty, and expecting decent people to believe thier filthy blood and death obsessed jesus superstitions.

This is a joke thread, isn't it?

Me thinks it's a 10 year old rather than a troller.

Take your pick. Ignorance or jealosy, or both.

Probably because of our ignorance. They really can't stand our ignorance and are quite outspoken about it. I almost never hear them accuse us of jealousy except with regard to British accents.

This is a joke thread, isn't it?

Well Im laughing, anyway.

We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom.

Not everyone wants democracy you know. and what about Vietnam? fighting for democracy? Ever wonder how that is when South Vietnam was a military dictatorship? No. Not many Americans do. Its not the American peoples fault its the Presidents. Like Bush. What about invading Iraq too? Suddenly Bush gets all scared that Iraq has WMD. He should know. He gave them to them. Just another reason to start to a war. Thats what keeps him in office.

And your definetly not the strongest country. What you think of as strong, is in my opinion some psycho's with mass-destruction weapons. That ain't strong, that's just dangerous, you don't let a kid play with a machinegun...
Personally i think the russians for example are far stronger. Perhaps their economy isn't that great and their techonology ain't really up to date, but their people are incredibly smart and far more patriotic. Just look at Stalingrad, i can't see the Americans do the same as the Russians did there.
Looking at something that happened over 60 years ago and using it to say Russia could beat the USA today dosen't quite cut it as a good argument.

They don't hate Americans, they hate ignorant, savage religious fanatics who think they are god's gift to mankind, who come around not speaking the language, acting snotty, and expecting decent people to believe thier filthy blood and death obsessed jesus superstitions.

HAHAHA

Not everyone wants democracy you know. and what Vietnam? fighting for democracy? Every wonder how that is when South Vietnam was a military dictatorship? No. Not many americans do. Its not the american peoples fault its the presidents. Like Bush. What about invading Iraq too? Suddenly Bush gets all scared that Iraq has WMD. He should know. He gave them to them.

I think someone needs to learn their presidents! :rolleyes: Talk about American ignorance...

Probably because of our ignorance. They really can't stand our ignorance and are quite outspoken about it. I almost never hear them accuse us of jealousy except with regard to British accents.
Oh, no, the only characteristic Americans have that is irritating is our arrogance. Besides, they are all foreigners, anyway. Who cares what they think? And they don't even think in English? So remind me, why does their opinion matter?

This is not a joke. Everyone is un-grateful to the USA. We invented all kinds of stuff like radio pennicilin jet planes and tv. You would all be living in caves if not for us.

This is not a joke. Everyone is un-grateful to the USA. We invented all kinds of stuff like radio pennicilin jet planes and tv. You would all be living in caves if not for us.

Lol, Lol, Lol

Ok, you convinsed me. the usa sux. When I'm old enough I'm going to go to a nice iland. Maybe jamaca or cuba. Then I'll give the americans the finger from across the ocean.

No need to go to all that trouble! I give the USA the finger from right here in Texas. They like it and ask for more.

I think someone needs to learn their presidents! :rolleyes: Talk about American ignorance...

its the whole bush family im talking about

No need to go to all that trouble! I give the USA the finger from right here in Texas. They like it and ask for more.
U r not patriotic. You need to find Jesus.

U r not patriotic. You need to find Jesus.

being patroitic doesnt mean liking what happening to our country

This is not a joke. Everyone is un-grateful to the USA. We invented all kinds of stuff like radio pennicilin jet planes and tv. You would all be living in caves if not for us.

Radio: Guglielmo Marconi, Italian not American.
Penicillin: Invented by God, discovered by Man. Specifically Alexander Fleming, who was Scottish, not American.
Jet Plane: Sir Frank Whittle, English not American.
Television: Paul Nipkow (German) developed a rotating-disc technology to transmit pictures over wire in 1884. German scientist, Karl Braun invented the cathode ray tube oscilloscope (CRT) in 1897. Vladimir Kosma Zworykin (Russian not American) invented the cathode-ray tube called the kinescope in 1929, a tube needed for TV transmission. Vladimir Kosma Zworykin also invented the iconoscope, an early television camera.

Try again.

U r not patriotic. You need to find Jesus.

Why ... have you gone and lost him again?

Radio: Guglielmo Marconi, Italian not American.
Penicillin: Invented by God, discovered by Man. Specifically Alexander Fleming, who was Scottish, not American.
Jet Plane: Sir Frank Whittle, English not American.
Television: Paul Nipkow (German) developed a rotating-disc technology to transmit pictures over wire in 1884. German scientist, Karl Braun invented the cathode ray tube oscilloscope (CRT) in 1897. Vladimir Kosma Zworykin (Russian not American) invented the cathode-ray tube called the kinescope in 1929, a tube needed for TV transmission. Vladimir Kosma Zworykin also invented the iconoscope, an early television camera.

Try again.
Thats not true. America made all that stuff.

Why ... have you gone and lost him again?
Don't joke about Jesus. He died for our sins. Thats how much he loves you. If you joke about him youl go to hell.

Thats not true. America made all that stuff.

Jesus told me you're stupid.

Why ... have you gone and lost him again?
Nah, we were just hoping you might be able to deliver a message to him...

need new instructions stop last book too confusing stop 2000 years of blood shed and persecution of each other in the name of love stop await your further instruction stop regards to your old man stop

Don't joke about Jesus. He died for our sins. Thats how much he loves you. If you joke about him youl go to hell.

Why did Jesus cross the road?

Don't joke about Jesus. He died for our sins. Thats how much he loves you. If you joke about him youl go to hell.

Nah ... Jesus was a Jew. Jews have great senses of humor.

Everybody stop messing with Jesus. He's our Lord and Savior.

Hey Domici, I had to laugh when I read your post, just finished that book about 5-10 minutes ago...

Everybody stop messing with Jesus. He's our Lord and Savior.

If Jesus doesn't like it, he can tell me himself.

As for the Lord and Savior mess ... take him down off the cross ... it annoys him and somebody might need the wood.

Radio: Guglielmo Marconi, Italian not American.
Penicillin: Invented by God, discovered by Man. Specifically Alexander Fleming, who was Scottish, not American.
Jet Plane: Sir Frank Whittle, English not American.
Television: Paul Nipkow (German) developed a rotating-disc technology to transmit pictures over wire in 1884. German scientist, Karl Braun invented the cathode ray tube oscilloscope (CRT) in 1897. Vladimir Kosma Zworykin (Russian not American) invented the cathode-ray tube called the kinescope in 1929, a tube needed for TV transmission. Vladimir Kosma Zworykin also invented the iconoscope, an early television camera.

Try again.

Okay, Coca-Cola and MS Windows.

Okay, Coca-Cola and MS Windows.
and were meant to thank you for that?

Everybody stop messing with Jesus. He's our Lord and Savior.

you need to get off the jesus stuff buddy

Okay, Coca-Cola and MS Windows.

i hate windows....always going screwy. and coke kills your teeth. its a fact.

Okay, Coca-Cola and MS Windows.

Yes ... those are American inventions ... sort of.

The ingredients to make Coca-Cola were not American developments ... and the technology to put MS Windows into place were not all American developments (hard to run Windows when you don't have 90% of your computer).

I guess Coke and MSW are American innovations rather than inventions.

Okay, Coca-Cola and MS Windows.

Some researchers over in the UK recently unveiled their biodegradable plastic (for use in cell phones). Now THAT's an invention. But Coke? I'd wager we'd all be better off without that stuff.

Don't knock it until you've tried it. Living in America is awesome and I can't think of anything better. Also, you say that our form of democracy is messed up but why would we let uninformed and unqualified people make such great decisions. I think all of you are ignorant...(including the person who started this thread) because you do not even know what you are talking about. Come on over and live in America and see what it is all about. Oh, and you say we aren't patriotic, how do you know? AND on another note correcting someone's grammar on here is soooo 2nd grade of you and it is retarded! ;)

I'm going with the thought that the guy posting is serious and talk about my own "Anti-America" thinkin'.

I don't hate Americans, they are just like everyone else in the world overall. They seem a bit insular and they don't seem to have a very strong public education system, and by that I mean Americans that I've met are NOT stupid, it just seems that the whole culture is made so that people are forced into a way of thinking that generally doesn't help them.

They are told socialism is completely evil it seems (Not true, but like all ideas it's not 100% ideal) they are told to be afraid of something all the time, the claims of a free country but SO many things are illegal even though there appears to be no other reason then "'cuz we don't like it" and of course George W. Bush is in charge over there and is bombed Iraq and killed thousands of innocent people as well as sacrificing ALOT of US troops who's only mistake was to join up in the first place.

And the best part of the whole war thing? All thoughs people that got bombed and killed? It was all done for their own good. And Saddam and Bin Laden seem to be both doing OK at the moment. Saddam was arrested and Bin Laden is going around fairly un-hunted it seems. Despite Bin Laden doing the whole deal with the WORLD TRADE CENTRE! :headbang:

Not Americans overall, it's just that they seem to spend too much thing being scared of things that are of very little threat to them and they react like scared people do, they trust the guy that says they're gonna save them and the people who say that are people like George W. Bush who are running on personal agendas and not for the good of their own people.

I visited America last year and I was genuinly worried about the media reports things! It's crazy.

So in summery, I have no problem with Americans as people (I stress that), I DO have a problem with the government and media for what it tells them and how it treats them. I've got family over there who insist that they keep getting told that the USA is greatest and if people say otherwise they're jealous.

There's only one place on the planet I'm jealous of and that's Amsterdam! God, I want to go and live there...but that's a different story. :D

And for an invention...how about the interent...Where would you be now?

Thats not true. America made all that stuff.
That's the big comeback? If this is a joke thread it's not all that funny.

Everybody stop messing with Jesus. He's our Lord and Savior.

Hay-zeus is not MY savior (my savior is Rafastairfjamdfmajfa'.a)

its the whole bush family im talking about

Im pretty sure it was Reagan who funded Saddam...

I think all of you are ignorant...(including the person who started this thread) because you do not even know what you are talking about. Come on over and live in America and see what it is all about.

I do live in America, was born in America, grew up in America, and will die in America yet I find that its government, its attitude toward the world, and its general "we're better than you" way of life sucks big green donkey dick.

U r not patriotic. You need to find Jesus.

Jesus and patriotism go together how?

And for an invention...how about the interent...Where would you be now?
probably outside, enjoying the evening, maybe playing football, almost certainly with friends.

instead, i sitting here getting fat and lazy

thanks for that








(and it was Swiss anyway)

Jesus and patriotism go together how?
Because America is a Christian country. America gives glory and praise to Jesus and he loves us for it. I thought everybody knew that. :rolleyes:

Don't knock it until you've tried it.
You do realise that some of the posters in this thread have tried it, are Americans and live there in the US right now?
Living in America is awesome and I can't think of anything better.
Well have you actually been anywhere better to find out....?
Also, you say that our form of democracy is messed up Actually I didnt say that, but I have a tendancy to believe that it's probably true.
but why would we let uninformed and unqualified people make such great decisions.
I said the same thing the day Bush got elected...
I think all of you are ignorant..
Aha, and you know enough about us to make such a statement because you are not entirely ignorant about us, and in fact actually even know who 'us' is?

(including the person who started this thread) because you do not even know what you are talking about. Come on over and live in America and see what it is all about.
Is that directed as those of 'us' who already live there, have lived there, have visited, or just those that have not?

Oh, and you say we aren't patriotic, how do you know?
I didnt say that, perhaps that was them rather than us, or only some of us, 'sub us' perhaps...?

AND on another note correcting someone's grammar on here is soooo 2nd grade of you and it is retarded! ;)
Aha, and calling things retarded is so mature and adult like, not to mention sensitive towards others.

Ugh! Come on guys, he is obviously an alias - no person throws a load of notable British/Italian inventions as a reason to think the USA is great and thinks it seriously. If he had said a mixture of American AND European inventions then he might have being believeable, but he is obviously just beign sarcastic.

[talking about the internet] (and it was Swiss anyway)
Incorrect.
English.
http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/

Japanese quote: "60% of the things we taken for granted were invented by the English"

(and it was Swiss anyway)

They made the internet, but I think the US came up with the world wide web.

Jesus and patriotism go together how?

Well ... Jesus was a true patriot. He loved his country and his fellow countrymen, but hated his government.

Just like me. :)

With all this America-bashing you're proving this jesus-guy his point. :rolleyes:

I think we should all pack our bags and go live in Switzerland - they seem to have it pretty much sussed. Best public transport in the world, lots of money, nobody wants to go to war with them, and nice and clean. There's also Liechtenstein, but the Swiss make good chocolate too. :)

With all this America-bashing you're proving this jesus-guy his point. :rolleyes:
Funny how honest opinion and genuine critism are only synomonous with bashing when one doesnt like the opinion expressed...other times it's called dialogue, discussion, debate, the free exchange of ideas, and stuff like that....

LOL

Failed by the education system.



I was thinking the same thing, wow. (sp, and grammar was terrible)
Anyhow, I think its some what natural to dislike others that have it better then you.
For the most part, Canadian's don't dislike our U.S neighbours. I think that's because we are pretty proud of our own country.
Mike

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?


Oh dear. I'm ashamed as an American.

*I* know why people hate our government. But I think (hope) s/he is being facitious.

It's the "we are the best/free-est/most christian/whatever" bullshit we hate. Will you just stop that, please! It's annoying! Name just one of those freedoms the US has, and we in Europe don't. Just one...

Many Americans like their country. Good for you. But that does not make it the best country in the world.

And yes: the US helped defeat Nazi-Germany. Thanks again. And how many democracies were installed by the US in South America? I lost count. Pinochet got some big help from the US. What did the US ever do against dictatorships in Haiti, Cuba (before Castro, I mean), etc.

We like you, but stop that "We are superior" shit!!

I think that this thread is a fake, jesussaves wants only to test the reactions of the forum. I BET he is an anti-american himself, because he writes like he would be the personification of every stereotype there is about the Americans.

EDIT: C'mon guys. Just look what he writes and how he writes it. It's too obvious. Nice one, jesussaves, I don't like the USA neither.^^

I think that this thread is a fake, jesussaves wants only to test the reactions of the forum. I BET he is an anti-american himself, because he writes like he would be the personification of every stereotype there is about the Americans.

EDIT: C'mon guys. Just look what he writes and how he writes it. It's too obvious. Nice one, jesussaves, I don't like the USA neither.^^

Heh. Even I don't like so-called "United" States of America, and I live here!

Heh. Even I don't like so-called "United" States of America, and I live here!
I live here too and I love my country. I'm just not an asshole about it.

Funny how honest opinion and genuine critism are only synomonous with bashing when one doesnt like the opinion expressed...other times it's called dialogue, discussion, debate, the free exchange of ideas, and stuff like that....
No, some people are always bringning America down.
Like it or not, but the US WERE a great help in WWII. Britain wouldn't have survived on a long run without America backing them up in Asia, Africa and Europe.
America IS a land of inventores, it has won the most nobel-prises.
The US DID kick the Brits out and gain independence.
No, I DON'T like Bush nor am I an American.

Just don't call other people arrogant, while acting like one.

No, some people are always bringning America down.
Er some people are always bringing down anything and everything they bring to mind. The point is that rather than censoring people, you should address their points, attempting to shut them up by accusing them of bashing simply leaves the impression that there are no counterarguments, and that their points are valid. If the points are valid, then you have no legitimate reason for complaining about people voicing them (or typing as the case may be), if the points are invalid, accusations of bashing do not demonstrate this, and are counterproductive to doing so.

Like it or not, but the US WERE a great help in WWII.
I dont see whats to like or not like about it. I dont recall too many times seeing anyone say that the US were of no help in WWII (although I dont doubt that there are those who would claim so), but I very often hear statements from US citizens that imply as much about every other nation involved. 'We stopped Hitler' is akin to saying no one else was any help, 'the US didnt stop Hitler alone' is not akin to saying that the US was no help. I think suggesting that the US didnt do it alone, is much less insulting (not to mention entirely accurate) than it is to suggest that it was the US that stopped Hitler.

Britain wouldn't have survived on a long run without America backing them up in Asia, Africa and Europe.
America wouldnt have survived in the long run without allies either, nor any of the other nations involved so far as I can see. Is there some particular reason you singled out Britain? Should I describe this as 'Britain bashing', or would it be more productive to address the points you have raised, instead of trying to censor them?

America IS a land of inventores, it has won the most nobel-prises.
And?

The US DID kick the Brits out.
And?
Don't call other people arrogant, while acting like one.
Acting like one what? And where did I act like whatever 'one' acts like, and where exactly did I call who exactly arrogant?

No, some people are always bringning America down.
Like it or not, but the US WERE a great help in WWII. Britain wouldn't have survived on a long run without America backing them up in Asia, Africa and Europe.
True. They even helped us, the Germans, by defeating us and stop this whole psychotic Nazi bullshit.

America IS a land of inventores, it has won the most nobel-prises.
Although there are many smart ones in the USA, I think that education in common is better in the European states.

America wouldnt have survived in the long run without allies either, nor any of the other nations involved so far as I can see. Is there some particular reason you singled out Britain? Should I describe this as 'Britain bashing', or would it be more productive to address the points you have raised, instead of trying to censor them?

In my opinion, Britain stood more or less alone against Germany before '41. France, Norway or Belgium weren't such a great help.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
It's rhetoric like this. People hate US government arrogance. They assume, and act as if they are perfect and noble.

Wow, you're good at this.Even with the split-quote thing and all. Impressive. Respect, I'm dealing with a pro. :) (no, it's not sarcastic).

Er some people are always bringing down anything and everything they bring to mind. The point is that rather than censoring people, you should address their points, attempting to shut them up by accusing them of bashing simply leaves the impression that there are no counterarguments, and that their points are valid. If the points are valid, then you have no legitimate reason for complaining about people voicing them (or typing as the case may be), if the points are invalid, accusations of bashing do not demonstrate this, and are counterproductive to doing so.
Ok, makes sence, let's skip to the examples I found in this thread.
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I dont see whats to like or not like about it. I dont recall too many times seeing anyone say that the US were of no help in WWII (although I dont doubt that there are those who would claim so), but I very often hear statements from US citizens that imply as much about every other nation involved. 'We stopped Hitler' is akin to saying no one else was any help, 'the US didnt stop Hitler alone' is not akin to saying that the US was no help. I think suggesting that the US didnt do it alone, is much less insulting (not to mention entirely accurate) than it is to suggest that it was the US that stopped Hitler.
When a random American says: we saved your ass in WW2, that probably isn't so objective. But on the other hand, I find answers like "The Russians defeated Nazi-Germany", isn't so objective either and shows some people just hate America above all. I dispise (well, not despise, I like to read their comments :p ) the second group more, because the first said it because they love their country, the second because of hate.

America wouldnt have survived in the long run without allies either, nor any of the other nations involved so far as I can see. Is there some particular reason you singled out Britain? Should I describe this as 'Britain bashing', or would it be more productive to address the points you have raised, instead of trying to censor them?
I chose Britain, because all other countries were already catured (like Frace), were safe because of geographical locations (like Canada, Australia) or just had lots of resources (Russia). "Bashing is a great word, isn't it? ;)

And?
And?
Just refering to previous posts, first the post saying Americans didn't invent all those examples and there after, when proper inventions were given, saying it where American "innovations".
Second one, same point.

Acting like one what? And where did I act like whatever 'one' acts like, and where exactly did I call who exactly arrogant?
No, no I don't think your arrogant, sorry, didn't make that quite clear. I was just giving general advice.

Wow, you're good at this.Even with the split-quote thing and all. Impressive. Respect, I'm dealing with a pro. :) (no, it's not sarcastic).
Yeah but I cant do quotes in quotes....now 'dat clever...


Ok, makes sence, let's skip to the examples I found in this thread.
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When a random American says: we saved your ass in WW2, that probably isn't so objective. But on the other hand, I find answers like "The Russians defeated Nazi-Germany", isn't so objective either and shows some people just hate America above all.
Aha, but the first (in this instance) was a suggestion that aside from the US everyone else's sacrifices were negliable. The second was retalitory. If it annoys you to hear that such and such saved everyone from Hitler (because it denies the efforts of the US), when this is in retalitation for someone denying the efforts of all but the US, how much more galling is it to have the efforts of one's country denied without provocation. I dont think it's objective to suggest that any one country 'stopped Hitler', but I find it more understandable that someone would make such statements in retaliation. The comments disparaging the efforts and sacrifices of all but the US in WWII were unprovoked, and the comments giving credit to Russia were a retalitory response. Mayhap without the unprovoked comments, no retaliation would have occured.

I dispise (well, not despise, I like to read their comments :p ) the second group more, because the first said it because they love their country, the second because of hate.
Or maybe they are just a bit annoyed at the unproked implication that no one but the US contributed to 'stopping Hitler'. Please recall that many people here are from countries that were ripped apart in WWII. To the US Pearl Harbour was an outrage, and dark day in history, well imagine instead of being off shore in Hawai, it was Washington DC being bombed, regularly...imagine the whole country being under the control of a foreign aggresive power, and the bravest of your citizens risking and sacrificing their lives in seemingly hopeless resistence efforts. Then imagine that someone says 'you didnt do squat in WWII, it was all us'. Might you not be a bit miffed and tempted to respond less than reasonably? Would that mean you hated anyone, or would it just make you passionate about the sacrifices and losses incurred by your nation during a dark and tragic episode of recent history?

I chose Britain, because all other countries were already catured (like Frace), were safe because of geographical locations (like Canada, Australia) or just had lots of resources (Russia). "Bashing is a great word, isn't it? ;)
So you see there can be more to singling someone or something out, than hatred and aggression. Whether people are right or wrong about their views, responses like this one that I am replying to, are more productive and clarifying (although admittedly more time consuming) than simply accusing people of bashing...however the extra work required is worthwhile, if the issue is important to you.
As for 'bashing' mmm, not so fussed, personally I have a thing going for synomonous lately, no idea why, but any excuse to post the word synomonous is a good enough excuse for me....


mmm, now if only I could spell the word properly....

I'm not going to honour Jesussaves arguement by quoting it, so I'm just going to laugh at his spectacular and wholly successful attempt at making an idiot of himself from the the little part of the UK i call home.

And here it is:

*Points and laughes at Jesussaves.*

As so many others have stated before, it's not the USA we hate, it's the way the inhabitants act in general. I happen to know some Americans who go against todays stereotype in most conceivable ways so meh.

the US WERE a great help in WWII. Britain wouldn't have survived on a long run without America backing them up.

That is indeed true. As the much beloved Churchill quoted, 'Give us the tools and we will finish the job.' America helped by supplying the tools to begin with. In the end, I'd say the job was pretty much well finished. Although, USA would have done a whole lot more good if they fully entered the war sooner rather than sitting back and watch it unfold in the cinema. Plus, Russia probably did the most damage to the Nazi war machine overall.

The US DID kick the Brits out and gain independence.

Only because the French helped you. It seemed perfect revenge for them after we took Canada from them.

Mekay, seems we're both on the same side, Peopleandstuff, except from a small nuance. I am sleepy, but there is one thing I want to make clear

Or maybe they are just a bit annoyed at the unproked implication that no one but the US contributed to 'stopping Hitler'. Please recall that many people here are from countries that were ripped apart in WWII.
Aight, like Belgium for example. ;)
Ript apart in WWII, but mostly in WWI.

To the US Pearl Harbour was an outrage, and dark day in history, well imagine instead of being off shore in Hawai, it was Washington DC being bombed, regularly...imagine the whole country being under the control of a foreign aggresive power, and the bravest of your citizens risking and sacrificing their lives in seemingly hopeless resistence efforts.
Yeah, we had our share of V1's and V2's. Even had one in my own little townie.
funfact: the only agressive action done against the holocaust was done In Belgium. 4 Guys (They had just one or maybe no gun) stopped a train and saved some jews.

Then imagine that someone says 'you didnt do squat in WWII, it was all us'.
Our small share in WW2 is forgotten by all. Americans and Europeans, and don't let me start on the rest of the world. It's all GI's, Tommy's and Ivan's in WW2. :(

Might you not be a bit miffed and tempted to respond less than reasonably? Would that mean you hated anyone, or would it just make you passionate about the sacrifices and losses incurred by your nation during a dark and tragic episode of recent history?
Well no, but I come from a small country, with little world-value, so I'm pretty modest in our efforts.

Well, we all know Belgium is a cool place (well, at least i do, having been there a few times and rather liking it). I suppose since it was mostly on the receiving end for aggression in both WW's, people tend to forget than Belgians, like many other occupied European peoples, did their bit towards the unsteady peace we now semi-blissfully reside in. Hell, even some Germans played a part in the end of Hitlers regime. Go Europe!!!!

@Haken rider:
^^

Don't missunderstand me, I really like your country, I visit it a couple of times, but...you against us in the WW2...it was a very one-sided story, wasn't it?^^

Mekay, seems we're both on the same side, Peopleandstuff, except from a small nuance. I am sleepy, but there is one thing I want to make clear


Aight, like Belgium for example. ;)
Ript apart in WWII, but mostly in WWI.


Yeah, we had our share of V1's and V2's. Even had one in my own little townie.
funfact: the only agressive action done against the holocaust was done In Belgium. 4 Guys (They had just one or maybe no gun) stopped a train and saved some jews.


Our small share in WW2 is forgotten by all. Americans and Europeans, and don't let me start on the rest of the world. It's all GI's, Tommy's and Ivan's in WW2. :(


Well no, but I come from a small country, with little world-value, so I'm pretty modest in our efforts.
So if the US was small, it would be ok to suggest that their efforts were without value?
The main point I am making, is that no one is accurate when they state that 'x' stopped Hitler, unless 'x' is 'the combined allied forces', however I find it more understandable for someone to make such an unreasonable statement, when they have been provoked by someone making a similar one first.
It's true that a lot of people are somewhat miffed at the US right now, and so I dont doubt this raises the heat in people's passions too. However I feel a lot of the criticism is relevent and valid (although clearly there are always extremists and malcontents, and unfortunately such types are usually the loudest).
I doubt that there is an entity on this earth that some legitimate complaint can not be made of. The US has caused some particular waves of late, and is also a particularly powerful and influential entity. That makes it topical and thus more likely to turn up in criticisms than an entity that has more faults, but is more obscure, and frankly less able to effect the current direction of events. At the same time there is a loud section of US folk who cant accept the earnestness of any criticism...I mean really, is WWII any justification for misbehaviour today?
I tend more to be concerned about the government, than about the person who lives down the block, because the government has more power to effect me. At the moment, I doubt that any entity influences world events as much as the US, so when that influence is percieved as dangerous, people would be idiots to not have a critical opinion. Their well being requires that they pay particular attention to entities that have the greatest ability to impact on them.
No one I know in real life hates the US, or Americans, but just about everyone I know if very concerned with the current admin, it's policy and with increasingly disturbing elements such as religious fanatism amongst certain groups in the populice, an increasingly apparent disregard for human rights, pre-emptive attacks that many believe are counterproductive to security (especially to the security of whoever is next on the hitlist), loss of civil rights and freedom of US citizens, discrimination and bigotry, etc.

The fact is the US is freaking a lot of us out right now.

@Haken rider:
^^

Don't missunderstand me, I really like your country, I visit it a couple of times, but...you against us in the WW2...it was a very one-sided story, wasn't it?^^
Yeah, partycrashers. :D
But in the end we won and you loose. We have some territory that belonged to you pre-WW1.
It's my favourite part of Belgium. :)



@Red Islands Empire II: Go Europe? Don't forget Canada, Australia, America, South-Africa, NZ,... :rolleyes:

@Peopleandstuff: Their intentions are mostly good, but they handel it the wrong way. Probably played too much video games. :gundge:

But in the end we won and you loose. We have some territory that belonged to you pre-WW1.
It's my favourite part of Belgium.
We still can make jokes about your relationships to children. :D

We still can make jokes about your relationships to children. :D
No, you're the only nation, well next to the Vatican, who can't. :D

You people in the rest of the world don't have that sort of freedom. You're beliefs are somehow contingent upon some archaic notion of "objective reality." Here we know that it's called objective because we all object to it.

You must be very ignorant and never been abroad to spread such nonsense, we all know (that went abroad) that we find much more liberties in the EU versus the current US (OK NYC matches the EU). Grow up and read some international papers instead of FOX and other one sided views.

funfact: the only agressive action done against the holocaust was done In Belgium. 4 Guys (They had just one or maybe no gun) stopped a train and saved some jews.


I read it long time ago, those Belgians saved about 220 Belgian Jews. No other nation saved as much Jews as Belgium pro capita, since nations as Holland and Poland were helping the Germans much more in the deportation of there Jewish citizens. It is a disgrace for Israel that they only rewarded the one Jew of the 4 resistance persons in 1946 and awarded the last and only one survivor of the non Jewish Belgians only last year. Guess they have a problem that it were non Jewish persons that did this only one of it's kind action in WWII :rolleyes: .

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld.
No, we do "good". Some people may find it good, some people may not.
We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people.
I'm not sure on the freest there.
Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord.
Well, we're supposed to be a nation not belonging to any religion, but it seems nobody in power has yet been able to read "separation of church and state" for comprehension.
Why do you hate us?
Why do you use "you"? Was this intended for people who do hate America, and should I have not answered?
I hope not, cause then I'd feel like an idiot.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld.

Really? Let's review

We stopped hitler we stopped communism,

Well, lessee... We didn't stop Hitler on our own, we had some help, stopping communism was no favor to the world, and we have people who make arrogant statements like this representing our country.

we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people.

Well... We might spread hypocracy and bloodymindednes, and perhaps even an out of date Industrial Age mindset, but freedom and democracy? Really...

Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

Spreading the word of the lord is reason enough to hate us... I mean, its enough that our politicians are liars, why should we celebrate the fact that we spread the lies of the church?

Need any other reasons to hate our country?

America is just another geographical location with a representative democracy ruled by facism, much like Iraq in the days before Saddam came to power.

Yes ... those are American inventions ... sort of.

The ingredients to make Coca-Cola were not American developments ... and the technology to put MS Windows into place were not all American developments (hard to run Windows when you don't have 90% of your computer).

I guess Coke and MSW are American innovations rather than inventions.

Oh come on. Does everything about US vs THEM need to be so deadly serious?

If you apply the logic that Coke and Windows are innovations because they are built on top of existing technology, then there are many fewer inventions. In fact, you could go on to claim that almost nothing that is built is really an invention if there is a previous theoretical knowledge of the device. Take manned flight, for instance. DaVinci's ideas certainly predated Lillienthal and the Wrights and the others that actually tried to build machines. So was DaVinci the inventor of manned flight? The definition of invention needs to be defined. I would certainly go along with the patent office definition, where an invention is either a new creation or something that improves an existing product.

Now, as far as that 90% of your computer crap, if you want to look at some truly innovative American inventions, don't look too much farther than the computer in front of you. The internet was certainly innovative, American, and, if you apply the definition that I like, invented here. Then take off the cover and look at the chips inside. VLSI was invented here, as was LSI. We couldn't have P5s and G5s without it. Go back a couple more years and realize that the modern computer sprang from a lab at Penn U. in the form of ENIAC.

Ok. Let us just go back to the original quesiton regarding the hatred of the US. I think I can answer it, especially for the Liberal left. Jesussaves, you say that you stopped Hitler and Communism. This is wrong, you did neither. You, the US that is, sat back and watched Hitler invade Czechoslavakia (somethat that your government agreed to prevent Germany from doing in the Treaty of Versailles 1919), watched Hitler annex Austria (same hypocrisy as before), let him invade Poland as well as militarise Alsace-Lorraine and you stood by and did nothing as an openly murderous Facist with world-takeover plans steadily built up his army. By the time America joined the war, the Germans had been fought off by the British, and were already planning an invasion of Russia (that ultimately finished the Nazis off). The US joined for one reason only - Roosevelt had not got rid of the massive economic pitfall after the Wall Street Crash of 1929 and needed the war to bring it back up to scratch.

Regarding Communism, I shall not even go into the fact that stopping it was stupid since the US has got the world where we are now (ie billions in a perpetual state of poverty), and shall point out that far from eradicating it, you probably gave the USSR the will to keep it going. It ended, formally, in the 1990's...the Cold War had no effect on Russian domestic policy. You should stop believing your country's rightwing propaganda. As I assume you were referring to the USSR, I shall hereby point out that Vietnam, Cuba and China (amongst others) are Communist, and much of central and eastern Europe is what we can loosely call Socialist. So, on reflection, you didnt actually get rid of it at all.

And if you think that invading Iraq is spreading the word of the church (a pathetic hypocritical establishment who deliberately opposes the word of the bible in search of self-preservation) then I see now why America has become so sucked into this war on terror, being as Christian as it is.

But basically, the left hates America because of its government. We hate it because it opposes all attempts to curb world poverty and polution, because it invades other countries to hide its appalling domestic sistuation, and that every bloody house needs to have an American flag to confirm its patriocy (pretending that you are actually American, excuse me but I thought the Americans were the ones that you systematically murdered when you emigrated from the rest of the world - ie the non-white indigenous Americans who have a true claim to the country). We also hate it because it is full of ignorant Americans who soak up their government's propaganda like sponges and then proceed to tell the rest of the world that we've got it wrong and that we should be more like them! Some of us also dislike the fact that 80% of the wealth is in the hands of the top 10% of the country, and that it has the complete STUPIDITY to re-elect George Bush who is the only real weapon of mass destruction and has an IQ of less than 100. We object also to the fact that your government is run by corporations who dictate policy and let the public get screwed over time and time again all in the name of profits.

Apart from that, the US is great!

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
....


i don't, but people like you make me want to.

Thats not true. America made all that stuff.
:D
Really...
Jet Plane (http://www.cwn.org.uk/heritage/people/whittle/biography.html)
Penicillin (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/dm28pe.html)
Radio (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blradio.htm)
Television (http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/story085.htm)
I suppose you could argue that television was created in the US...
But none of the others were.

i hate windows....always going screwy. and coke kills your teeth. its a fact.
Coke kills MS Windows too. Ever spill Coke in a laptop?

This is not a joke. Everyone is un-grateful to the USA. We invented all kinds of stuff like radio pennicilin jet planes and tv. You would all be living in caves if not for us.

The US invented a radio pennicilin jet plane! Is that some kind of aircraft that acts as a painkiller whilst playing music softly in the background? My God, if that existed, I'd be very impressed. As it is, I'm not.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

EEErrm. yeah it was all america that did that. no other countries at all? Hmm. there's patriotism and just thinking your country is the one that did everything. what about other countries in the war or was it just america?

it was a scottish bloke that invented TV. John logie baird. so US it was not you.

it was a scottish bloke that invented TV. John logie baird. so US it was not you.
Half-true. He created the world's first working TV, but it was a mechanical device. The tube was invented by an American.

Nice troll, this. Simple (like all the best trolls) and to the point.

You spread the word of the lord? what about non christian countries that dont want the word of the lord? that is oppression and trying to get people to conform to the american ideal.

Half-true. He created the world's first working TV, but it was a mechanical device. The tube was invented by an American.
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i stand corrected

i stand corrected
But he was very wrong about penicillin. The penicillium fungus invented that one.

Penicillin is a CANADIAN invention. Dr. Frederick Banting discovered it, a true Canadian if there ever was one. Just so y'all know.

:p

Penicillin is a CANADIAN invention. Dr. Frederick Banting discovered it, a true Canadian if there ever was one. Just so y'all know.

:p
No, that was insulin, not penicillin.

If you would ever read the bible. You would find that there is no human is going to hell. Instead everyone that has ever lived will be ressurrected and will be judged. There will be the people that will perish from the world forever and the others will be given a second chance at perfection. When this happens satan the devil will be locked in chains for 1000 years. After humans have had the taste of a paradise earth. God will release the devil and satan will try to get as many followers as he can. Then i don't know what will happen because eigher i didnt read it or it was'nt wrote. All this is stated in the bible if you don't believe me then read it yourself. Also only 144,000 people will be going to heaven. These select few will serve as preist and kings from heaven. Everyone else that is saved from armmagedon will help rebuild the earth and live on a paradise earth. This post is for Jesussaves.
There are many sign that the end of this system of things is coming to a end.
In the bible it states that weather will become unpreddictable and violent more than anyone has ever seen on this earth now. The most violent and destructive so far has been the Tsunami in East Asia. Im sure we be seeing much more of things like this. I just can't stand when people try to act like they are a true dedicated person person to god and the Lord Jesus Christ. No one is safe in this world and we will never be safe until the day that Jesus Comes down from the heavens and restores order to this world.

Joder... this topic reminds me of the movie I Spy. Sucky or not, the movie reminds me (metaphorically) of the world. The two main guys, of different personalities but the same goal, tried to save the world and in the end, "calvary time", the snobby super agent comes in and saves the day. Everyone hated that character for his arogant ways of taking the reigns and doing things his own, flashy way. The reason I bring this up, if you haven't caught on already, is that USA is like that. Now using the term "USA" is too vague because it's not every single redneck, "gangster", and patriot that decides what happens, it's the government. So the government of USA is flashy, a head honcho, and in belief that because we are the only superpower (because in one way or another the other super powers were eliminated, USSR being an example of us saying we are the lesser evil) and that all other countries must be inferior.

If there were another country as leniant as laid back as this one is about society, I'd get a plane ticket.

I think it's because:

1) You do so much good for the world (just butt out).
2) You stopped Hitler (that was actually the Russians and the British).
3) You stopped Communism (that was actually Gorbachev).
4) You spread democracy and freedom (didn't do Iraq much good).
5) You have the freeest and strongest nation (well that's not bragging - and it's wrong)
6) You are a Christian nation (and that's a good thing?).
Exactly!
They glorify themselves too much.

EDIT: Modern day America seems like 19th century Britain - An attacking and invading force, minus the empire.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?


America did not stop Hitler, that was Russia. D-Day came when the war was almost over. And it came only because America was afraid that Russia will swoop through to the Atlantic.

America didn't stop communism. As communism comes AFTER capitalism the only way to stop communism is to fight capitalism and go back to God, Country and King.

America is not free.
America dictates, what other people and countries have to be like.
We don't need American missionaries to tell us what to do. We have our own brains.

Better keep to yourselves. And we keep to ourselves.

Yankee go home - sound familiar?

we spread democrasy and freedom.

You mean, like on 9/11, 1973, as an example?

Penicillin is a CANADIAN invention. Dr. Frederick Banting discovered it, a true Canadian if there ever was one. Just so y'all know.

:p
Penicillin was discovered by a Brit. Fleming discovered it sometime prior to 1940. But the US was needed to provide the mass production capability that made it useful.

it was a scottish bloke that invented TV. John logie baird. so US it was not you.

oh yes? because Fleming was scottish too, I'm pretty sure about it... seems the world owes a lot to Scotland, in fact...

The US invented a radio pennicilin jet plane! Is that some kind of aircraft that acts as a painkiller whilst playing music softly in the background? My God, if that existed, I'd be very impressed. As it is, I'm not.
This is the funniest thing, I've read all day... :D
I would likewise be impressed with a painkilling, music playing aircraft... ;)

1- We don't hate america(at least I don't).

2- Stopping Hitler and communism is all well and good, but it happened a little while back, and things have changed since then (your political leaders and foreign policies, among other things)

3- Spreading democracy and freedom: sometimes you did, and sometimes you did the opposite. Look up your country's formerly top secret documents about military operations in south america over 25 years ago, and you'll find out that while you did spread democracy to certain parts of the world, in others you toppled decratic regimes and replaced them with murderous puppets who served your economic interests. El Salvador comes to mind.

4- Strongest country, certainly. Freeest is debatable, what with the sudden drop in civil rights and privacy you americans are suffering in the name of fighting terrorists. As for using it to help other poeple... Let's just say the war in Irak is far from having unanimous support, even among americans themselves.

5- What does being a "Christian nation" have anything ever to do with this issue?
Everyone keeps mentioning the civil rights we have lost here but I as of yet do not know any one who has been infringed upon...But I live in a very sheltered state with only 5 or 6 million people...

Exactly!
They glorify themselves too much.

EDIT: Modern day America seems like 19th century Britain - An attacking and invading force, minus the empire.
It is one thing to dislike the USA but ge tyour history right...If not for US intervention during WWI and WWII Germany would have ruled all of Europe..Admittedly the Brits and the Russkies were there but only because the Americans got involved...Even Brit history will back me up on that...

Two words - "aluminum siding".

Sometimes, democracy isn't what every country likes. And then SOME people attacked SOME countries for no admant reason and now they're pissed.
-Bictor (^_^)

except when it comes to censorship over issues like the swatiska and religious symbols, right?

This is just a question, but isn't it so that a symbol like the pentagram isn't alowed to be worn in public in America?

Symbols like the swastika aren't aprreaciated because of their past, but i haven't seen people getting arrested yet for having such a tattoo and the like

It is one thing to dislike the USA but ge tyour history right...If not for US intervention during WWI and WWII Germany would have ruled all of Europe..Admittedly the Brits and the Russkies were there but only because the Americans got involved...Even Brit history will back me up on that...

I guess, the Russians were there, because they got attacked by Germany. And they didn't like that.

:D
Really...
Jet Plane (http://www.cwn.org.uk/heritage/people/whittle/biography.html)
Penicillin (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/dm28pe.html)
Radio (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blradio.htm)
Television (http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/story085.htm)
I suppose you could argue that television was created in the US...
But none of the others were.

It depends on who you ask. The Chinese will probably claim, they invented it 5,000 years ago.

History of TV (http://members.aol.com/aj2x/tvpionrs.html)

I don’t hate America, just people who can't use spell checkers, or are too retarded to read history books.

Half-true. He created the world's first working TV, but it was a mechanical device. The tube was invented by an American.

Nice troll, this. Simple (like all the best trolls) and to the point.

http://www.picdump.org/albums/dragmire/Troll_XING.jpg

Ok class, sit down and take your pencils and notes.

Today we are going to review the Second World War. Please forget everything about it because it wasn't a chivalric and nice war. Well most people claim that the WW2 started in 1939 when Germany as an aggressor invaded Poland. Now why did Germany do such a bad thing? Was it because they hated the Polish? The Polish peed in their faces?

No, Germany thought some parts of Poland were rightfully their like the Gdansk coastal region. The reason lies in the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. Germany was condemned as the only one responsible for WW1 by our great heroes: France as leading lady for revenge, Great Britain, who smelled sweet colonial gains, US who didn't cared anymore (back to isolationism) and Italy as fifth wheel of the justice wagon. What happened at Versailles: France completely humiliated Germany by demilitairizing it, taking key industry areas like Saar-and Rhineland and splitting it into two bits so that Poland, a newly errected state, could have a sea passage (the Gdansk-region). For your information: the US didn't join until 1917 and their first troops were here in Europe in 1918, the so-called Rainbow-army, it was given a spot in the line. The US troops weren't a key asset in the final assault, that right was given to the French and British by General Foche, who though they deserved such a poisenous gift.

Back to WW2, Germany in '20 and '30 was a economical and political unstable country, where the Weimar-republic proved to be a unable to resolve these problems. So in 1933 the people turned towards the charismatic and driven person of Hitler. He managed to gain complete power by abolishing the democracy in a democratic way.

So in 1939 the war started as the GB and France declared righteous war upon Germany. Poland was overrun, same as poor Danmark and GB aided Norway. The low countries followed in 1940 and after that France. It seemed nothing could stop the German machine of war. And where were our friends of WW1? Italy had joined the Axis, disspirited by Versailles, and the US was picking its nose and sending some equipment in exchange for money. The Battle of Britain proved a slight relief when the German airforce was defeated by the noble RAF. War continued and the Balkan and North Africa fell towards the enemy. Barbarossa long appeared to be another mark on the Axis victory list untill miracliously the panzers of the Third Reich were stopped some kiometres from Moscow in '41-'42. (a more elaborated story by me about this: http://blackclawgames.com/bcforum/viewtopic.php?t=272) One has to admit the US sent some equipment towards the USSR yet this was more secondary equipment like jeeps and supplies.

Suddenly the US became involved in WW2 at the end of 1941 when the wretched Japanese attacked the poor unprepared and defenseless Americains at Pearl Harbor. First of all Japan was forced by the US to launch this attack as they tried to strangle Japan to death by an oil and raw material boycot (Cuba sounds familiar?). Secondly although the poor sailors were unprepared, the presidential staff and US intelligence had to know but they (deliberatly?) neglected the signs like message some hours before the attack to the Japanese embassy "to stop all connections, destroy all evidence and give the war declaraction". One even can argue that the fleet at Pearl was expenable as those were old-fashioned and slow battleships while the real asset were the aircraft carriers who were very lucky and "suddenly" on patrol at the moment of attack.

The year passed and the last great German offensive was launched in 1942 which was stopped in the abbatoir of two dictatorships that was called Stalingrad. Actually the war was now finally over: the German army was defeated and greatly weakened yet Hitler in all his mighty madness decided to stall and prolong the war untill 1945. D-Day was nothing more a precaution that the USSR didn't take all of Europe into communism and the start for the race to Berlin. Mighty weapons like the V(ergeltungs)-weapons and the first jet fighter ME 262 were used wrongly and the war ended. Talking about these weapons and even a A-bomb: they could have been ready in 1941, when they could have been very succesfull against the Allied airforce and armies, yet Hitler decided they weren't needed for the war effort because it would've been over by 1941.

To conclude this lesson let's see what the Allies and Axis have lost in manpower over the years:
GB: some 400 000 both in arms as civilains
Germany: 7 million both civilian as army casualties
USSR: almost 20 million, 13 in arms, 6 in civilian clothes (talking about US winning the war, eh?)
Italy: 400 000 in arms and civilian
Japan: 2 million -sigh- again both civilian and army casualties
many other nations over the world: 60 millions minus these numbers and US casualties
<=>
US: 170 000, only army troops, civilian losses minuscle

Although it was indeed a black day for the US, Pearl is a very small event in WW2 in comparision with other major events. I vomit over the movie Pearl Harbor! Don't get me wrong, I woe every death in this tragic war. But please understand if there is one nation in this World War that doesn't deserve title of "winning the war" it's the US. Russia is head over heels winner, I'm afraid. Britain had its share of war sorrow. And although Germany started it, they were the only ones who actually learnt something out of this. Both US and GB still think waging war is the solutions to their foreign problems. The USSR doesn't have the means but if they could, I think they would. The only "sane in some fields" countries are Germany and France and many other nations who actually felt the losses of WW2.

I don't hate the US (Actually how can one hate a country? It's just land, isn't it?). I HATE the image of the USA. Not its people, not its geography just everything the higher echelons think they stand for.

Sorry for this little big lecture.
To Jesussaves: the time of crusades and theocracies are over. Religion and politics shouldn't have anything to do with each other. When combined, only evil (a simplified term so even you can understand) can come forth.

Tiralon and King Gottsmik I out.

I love the USA. For without it, satirical television programmes would have no material!

*giggles*
come on mods, who's puppet is Jesussaves?

1. Don't start with the "God is supreme, everyone else is not real" thing.
2. The nations of Scandanavia and the Low Countries are much "freer" than the US, we just started the whole thing.
3. People don't hate us, just our goverment. I agree.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
Just open this thread and got as far as the first post!
As some one then said straigh of the bat, your post answers your question. Try inserting the word helped in there a few times, then when you mention democracy say 'continued to'.
I think my annoyance stems from the re writing of history, e.g First to fly, light bulb, etc etc. But it is annoyance rather than hate.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

It's the fact that the American military is unstoppable.

Because of that simple fact, if we go in somewhere to do something now, there's going to be someone who hates that. And if we don't go in somewhere to do something, there's going to be someone who hates that.

Add to that the fact that the rest of the world can't get together on anything, and the UN being a completely ineffective and impotent organization unless the US backs it with the military force it needs, and there are a lot of really unhappy, frustrated people.

They want to have the UN decide things (and if the US had no vote, they would like it better), and then the US could do its military thing ONLY at the behest of the UN.

Of course, if that happened, then everyone would hate the UN instead of the US.

The fact that we have an unstoppable military and act in our own interests instead of the interests of some UN committee makes us hated.

It also makes people afraid. If we show up on the doorstep, we're not the Welcome Wagon.

It really doesn't matter what we believe in - we're just not going to match everyone else's interests. And because we DO have a viable military option, it gets used.

I understand all of your views about the US in WWII, but let's look at some of the facts.

1) Britain and Russian factories were fed by US materials.

2) The mighty T-334 was based on designs by an American

3) The US led allied invasion of Italy was only to relieve pressure from the USSR.

4) Besides minor gains in Burma and India, the US was the only nation to activly defeat the Japanese. The fact that they lost less men then any nation has nothing to do with "victory"

Ok, you convinsed me. the usa sux. When I'm old enough I'm going to go to a nice iland. Maybe jamaca or cuba. Then I'll give the americans the finger from across the ocean.

Good luck with Cuba. Look out though, the US forces there might shoot you if you can't spell anything correctly, because I almost felt like shooting you for that post.

I understand all of your views about the US in WWII, but let's look at some of the facts.

1) Britain and Russian factories were fed by US materials.

2) The mighty T-334 was based on designs by an American

3) The US led allied invasion of Italy was only to relieve pressure from the USSR.

4) Besides minor gains in Burma and India, the US was the only nation to activly defeat the Japanese. The fact that they lost less men then any nation has nothing to do with "victory"
I think you are kidding your self with the T34 thing there. Look at what was coming out of the US at the time. MBTs desigend and used during the war by the British and Russian were good enough to continue service up to the late 60's for the Russian designs even longer. The US Designes were other than a few light tanks a design dead end.
So again other than glory hunting I have no issues with the US.

1) Britain and Russian factories were fed by US materials.

Not completely. And it wasn't an act of charity, the British in particular lost a lot of business holdings in the USA and Canada as a tradeoff.

EDIT- Source (http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/more_facts.html), under "A famous Churchill speech"

2) The mighty T-334 was based on designs by an American

Source?

3) The US led allied invasion of Italy was only to relieve pressure from the USSR.

That wouldn't be the *only* reason, but that's a fair point.

4) Besides minor gains in Burma and India, the US was the only nation to activly defeat the Japanese. The fact that they lost less men then any nation has nothing to do with "victory"

*Ahem* Australian and New Zealander troops (both nations of which had been at war for 2 years) held off the Japanese in Papua New Guinea virtually on their own for almost a year..

It really doesn't matter what we believe in - we're just not going to match everyone else's interests. And because we DO have a viable military option, it gets used.

Starting wars with every nation on "The List" is definitely going to make a ton of people unhappy. Whatever The Leader chooses is correct! If we need to go to war, The Leader will take us there!

If we could have polled the entire world just before the last election, I would say at least 75% of the planet would have voted against George W. Bush. Oh wait, we actually did that. It was an actual website with hundreds of thousands of votes casted.

Starting wars with every nation on "The List" is definitely going to make a ton of people unhappy. Whatever The Leader chooses is correct! If we need to go to war, The Leader will take us there!

If we could have polled the entire world just before the last election, I would say at least 75% of the planet would have voted against George W. Bush. Oh wait, we actually did that. It was an actual website with hundreds of thousands of votes casted.

Oh wait. There isn't a world government, and the United States is a sovereign nation so who the rest of the world would vote for is completely irrelevant.

Oh wait. Any and every nation acts in its own self-interest (one of the first things they teach you in an international relations class). If it can operate militarily or otherwise at will, it will definitely do so.

Oh wait. The US re-elected George Bush.

The rest of you may say what you will, but THIS non-American not only does not hate the United States, he admires it...and one day, God willing, he will live there.

Kanabia - your source for the T-34 reference is found here (http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/bt7reviewcs_1.htm). Although it is a review of a model kit, the site references J. Walter Christie (an American engineer) whom sold his traction "Christie" support system to the Russians in 1931. They designed the BT-7 (predecessor to the T-34) from such designs. Technically the T-34 is a Russian invention, but without the Christie Support, there would be NO such tank (which proved vital in the Eastern Front from 1941 to 1945).

As a side note, the North African campaign was almost solely speared by the American beach invasions in 1942 during 'Operation Torch'. The British and Commonwealth Desert Rats were a thorn in the German and Italian's side, but were by no means the driving force. Anyone who says otherwise should read this (http://www.thehistorynet.com/wwii/bloperation_torch/). So, I'm sorry for all those people out there who believe the U.S. did nothing during World War II.

The rest of you may say what you will, but THIS non-American not only does not hate the United States, he admires it...and one day, God willing, he will live there.

Seconded.

An easier question might have been "Why don't people hate the USA?" It would mean a lot less to write.

It is one thing to dislike the USA but ge tyour history right...If not for US intervention during WWI and WWII Germany would have ruled all of Europe..Admittedly the Brits and the Russkies were there but only because the Americans got involved...Even Brit history will back me up on that...
Talk about a one sided view, exactly what I mean by people glorifying the US.
Part of the reason WWII started was because of the US isolating themselves and ignoring the problem. True though, much of Europe was ravaged by Nazi-Germany, and the only reason I can think of as to why the Nazis didn't invade Britain earlier in the war is because of the fact that Britain was an island, and the English Channel stood in the way.

The Americans helped the British and the Russians by supplying their factories, and Britain practically stood alone until 1941 anyway.
1) Britain and Russian factories were fed by US materials.
As the much beloved Churchill quoted, 'Give us the tools and we will finish the job.' America helped by supplying the tools to begin with.

Kanabia - your source for the T-34 reference is found here (http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/bt7reviewcs_1.htm). Although it is a review of a model kit, the site references J. Walter Christie (an American engineer) whom sold his traction "Christie" support system to the Russians in 1931. They designed the BT-7 (predecessor to the T-34) from such designs. Technically the T-34 is a Russian invention, but without the Christie Support, there would be NO such tank (which proved vital in the Eastern Front from 1941 to 1945).

As a side note, the North African campaign was almost solely speared by the American beach invasions in 1942 during 'Operation Torch'. The British and Commonwealth Desert Rats were a thorn in the German and Italian's side, but were by no means the driving force. Anyone who says otherwise should read this (http://www.thehistorynet.com/wwii/bloperation_torch/). So, I'm sorry for all those people out there who believe the U.S. did nothing during World War II.
The success of the T34 did not rely on its' supension, many tanks during the war used the Christie system. The T34 was revolutionary in armour and turret design, it also ended up with a good good and was easy to mass produce. Yes suspension was an element but other systems worked equally well. The Panther owed it's success from copying the armour design of the T34 not the suspension. Which I think was Porche designed but off the top of my head I could be wrong.

Kanabia - your source for the T-34 reference is found here (http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/bt7reviewcs_1.htm). Although it is a review of a model kit, the site references J. Walter Christie (an American engineer) whom sold his traction "Christie" support system to the Russians in 1931. They designed the BT-7 (predecessor to the T-34) from such designs. Technically the T-34 is a Russian invention, but without the Christie Support, there would be NO such tank (which proved vital in the Eastern Front from 1941 to 1945).

As a side note, the North African campaign was almost solely speared by the American beach invasions in 1942 during 'Operation Torch'. The British and Commonwealth Desert Rats were a thorn in the German and Italian's side, but were by no means the driving force. Anyone who says otherwise should read this (http://www.thehistorynet.com/wwii/bloperation_torch/). So, I'm sorry for all those people out there who believe the U.S. did nothing during World War II.
Also May 1943 was a bigger turning point in the war in Africa.

Just look at the topics in this forum and the answer to the question is there.
Today for example, woman sues girls over biscuit delivery, disney ruins Winnie etc..

Talk about a one sided view, exactly what I mean by people glorifying the US.
Part of the reason WWII started was because of the US isolating themselves and ignoring the problem.

Whoa.

So Europeans aren't supposed to run their own affairs?
So the US is supposed to be the world policeman, even back then?

Boy -

if the US intervenes in a pre-emptive manner we get told that the US is a loose cannon full of crap nation.

if the US doesn't intervene in a pre-emptive manner we get told that the US is to blame because they isolated themselves and ignored the problem.

Ever wonder why the US is now trying to act proactively to do something now?

everyone hates america for the very reason u defend them... u think u did everything single handedly! You didnt beat Hitler on ur own, in fact u have a nasty habbit of turning up late for every war that u dont start! and the other reason is simply George W.Bush. With a retard for a president what do u expect us to think of u?

Bisset: The english word you seem to be misspelling over and over has 'yo' at the front.

"You."
"You."
"You."

Not too hard is it?

I think America, which I happen to live in, is waaayyyyyyy to nosy!

The success of the T34 did not rely on its' supension, many tanks during the war used the Christie system. The T34 was revolutionary in armour and turret design, it also ended up with a good good and was easy to mass produce. Yes suspension was an element but other systems worked equally well. The Panther owed it's success from copying the armour design of the T34 not the suspension. Which I think was Porche designed but off the top of my head I could be wrong.

You're most certainly right about the armour in the Panthers, absolutely no question. However, the Christie System was put to remarkably good use in the design of the T-34 because it took advantage of the Russian/Polish/Hungarian terrain it fought in; that is, mostly cross-country. It's quick conversion for use with relatively mediocre engine units also bred greater success. German tanks such as the Panzer III's and IV's were not so efficient cross-country. They were designed for use along roads or pathes. Fields dominate the Russian country-side and hence the immediate advantage the suspension of the T-34's became apparent.

Also, the 1943 victories in North Africa were simply impossible without the 1942 success' of Operation Torch, undeniably.

You're most certainly right about the armour in the Panthers, absolutely no question. However, the Christie System was put to remarkably good use in the design of the T-34 because it took advantage of the Russian/Polish/Hungarian terrain it fought in; that is, mostly cross-country. It's quick conversion for use with relatively mediocre engine units also bred greater success. German tanks such as the Panzer III's and IV's were not so efficient cross-country. They were designed for use along roads or pathes. Fields dominate the Russian country-side and hence the immediate advantage the suspension of the T-34's became apparent.

Also, the 1943 victories in North Africa were simply impossible without the 1942 success' of Operation Torch, undeniably.
Which goes to the point other are making, no one can say the US did not make valuable contributions in many areas of WWII and areas of science before and since. The recognition of the contribution of others appears to be the differnce between the rest of the world and some (not all) of the US writers.
It was a team effort.
Like the T34 the suspension that was bought before the war was a small but vital part, but it was the design that was good. Like the Mustang, a poor aircraft until the merlin engine was insalled, but the design was good from the start. So a good design that was not performing improved by a great engine.

Which goes to the point other are making, no one can say the US did not make valuable contributions in many areas of WWII and areas of science before and since. The recognition of the contribution of others appears to be the differnce between the rest of the world and some (not all) of the US writers.
It was a team effort.
Like the T34 the suspension that was bought before the war was a small but vital part, but it was the design that was good. Like the Mustang, a poor aircraft until the merlin engine was insalled, but the design was good from the start. So a good design that was not performing improved by a great engine.

Okay, that's fair. I accept that point 'everyone made a contribution'. I'm just sticking up for the U.S. because I'm sick of people jumping on the bandwagon saying, "I hate the U.S. of A. because they're all gun-totting hicks who think they can police the world and have a crazy dictator named Bush olol anus!!1!1!11!!". It just irks me.

Edit: Perhaps, for the sake of conversation, we (as nations in the real world) should all go back to 1919 where no one gave a damn about anyone else. Let's just forget about anyone else's problems and focus on ourselves, despite any horrors that may occur to our fellow man... I'm sure everyone willl love going back there [/sarcasm].

*I'm answering the original post*
I don't think too many other countries hate US, as citizens, but there's plenty of reasons for them to dislike us. The sad thing is, you named most of them already. "We stopped Hitler". We did, along with more than a handful of other countries. Without their assistance we would've lost, miserably. The state of mind that most foreigners see is the contempt, "yeah, we did it!", attitude. Another, major in the sense that this is one of the main reasons for the Middle East "crisis", issue that other places have with us is our majority of Christians that are trying to push the whole nation off as Christian. I'm a Christian, and proud of it, but I am an individual. I recognize that our nation was founded on the idea that religious freedom should not be violated, by any majority or otherwise. Saying that "We love our lord" and "we have god" is--blatantly--retarded. "We" would typically define "all", right? ANd if you live in America then YOU KNOW that "we" are NOT "all" Christian. "We" are thousands of other things. There are different denominations of different religions of different people of different ideas of different backgrounds all living in the same system. So "we" do not "all" have the same "lord", thus you were wrong from the start. I hope that some of the closeminded people like you in other countries don't listen to Americans like you. Sad thing is, I know they do. Other countries are ticked off by our overbearing, "we" attitude, and I can't blame them. "We" are going to go "fix" everbody else because "we" know what's right and what's wrong. "We're" just that superior. Tsch. I live here and I still can't stand "us" sometimes.
So why do other countries hate America? Because America is overloaded with a "we" mentality.

Whoa.

So Europeans aren't supposed to run their own affairs?
So the US is supposed to be the world policeman, even back then?

Boy -

if the US intervenes in a pre-emptive manner we get told that the US is a loose cannon full of crap nation.

if the US doesn't intervene in a pre-emptive manner we get told that the US is to blame because they isolated themselves and ignored the problem.

Ever wonder why the US is now trying to act proactively to do something now?
The US was not wholely to blame, the US isolating themselves was only part of the cause. France and Britain were to blame, instead of acting in a pre-emptive manner they appeased Hitler, gave him what he wanted in hope that he wouldn't invade everybody. The appeasement of Hitler then lead him to believe that he could do whatever he liked and not get penalised (spelling?) for it. And, of course, Hitler was to blame.

Don't get me wrong, I supported the invasion of Iraq and currently support the occupation, it would really annoy me if the coalition just pulled out of Iraq and left the Iraqis to clean up the mess. The coalition made the mess, they need to clean it up.

I'll support the US led invasion and occupation of a country, only if I feel that the national security of my nation is threatened by the country which would be invaded and occupied (Iraq, for example). However, I am against the invasion and occupation of a country of which the purpose is to spread freedom and democracy. Different countries have different cultures, and it should stay that way.

Okay, that's fair. I accept that point 'everyone made a contribution'. I'm just sticking up for the U.S. because I'm sick of people jumping on the bandwagon saying, "I hate the U.S. of A. because they're all gun-totting hicks who think they can police the world and have a crazy dictator named Bush olol anus!!1!1!11!!". It just irks me.
Point accepted. It would boil my P@~s if people bashed the UK too much.
And it does when other claim inventions that came from this fair isle, but again I accept that the area of invention is sometimes shaky historical ground.
Plus I like winding the odd American up (and the not so odd ones). The only one I know this side of the pond is from California and he's great fun to wind up! A little load and enthusiastic but I can forgive that.

everyone hates america for the very reason u defend them... u think u did everything single handedly! You didnt beat Hitler on ur own, in fact u have a nasty habbit of turning up late for every war that u dont start! and the other reason is simply George W.Bush. With a retard for a president what do u expect us to think of u?
....

"Oh beautiful, for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!"

Point accepted. It would boil my P@~s if people bashed the UK too much.
And it does when other claim inventions that came from this fair isle, but again I accept that the area of invention is sometimes shaky historical ground.
Plus I like winding the odd American up (and the not so odd ones). The only one I know this side of the pond is from California and he's great fun to wind up! A little load and enthusiastic but I can forgive that.

I'm not American, I'm an Australian born of Scottish and Welsh parents. I LOATHE the UK with near every fibre of my being. Don't get me started on that train-wreck.

Hang the Queen and her family for their crimes...

I'm not American, I'm an Australian born of Scottish and Welsh parents. I LOATHE the UK with near every fibre of my being. Don't get me started on that train-wreck.

Hang the Queen and her family for their crimes... ;) :p
Australian, Welsh and Scottish :p so I won't mention sheep then!
No let's not start with the whole ancient history thing, coming from an area that suffered because of the Scottish raids my view of history is less slanted to favour the terrorists than others.

everyone hates america for the very reason u defend them... u think u did everything single handedly! You didnt beat Hitler on ur own, in fact u have a nasty habbit of turning up late for every war that u dont start! and the other reason is simply George W.Bush. With a retard for a president what do u expect us to think of u?
You could accept the fact the George Bush is an individual, the policies that he stands by and values dearly is probably not what all Americans stand by and defend. The way I think about George Bush does not reflect the way I think about the American public.

Fair enough, we won't get into the whole history of it (because it will only turn into tit for tat).

On the otherhand, I probably shouldn't mention the genocide English Kings and Queens have ordered upon my family's home.

Oh, you're new. Otherwise you're a regular with a new name deliberately trying to annoy people. Are there really Americans out there who don't know why people hate their goverment? I find that hard to believe. I suspect you are a troll.

100% correct. Are there any americans who don't know why the rest of the world HATE them? I HATE THEM MYSELF !!! (the US, It's not right to blame the brainwashed people that inhabit the country).

I mean... the only reason the US are so "GREAT" and so POWERFUL is because they can't keep their noses out of everyone elses' crap.

<anti-us>vamos fidel !!!</anti-us>

100% correct. Are there any americans who don't know why the rest of the world HATE them? I HATE THEM MYSELF !!! (the US, It's not right to blame the brainwashed people that inhabit the country).

I mean... the only reason the US are so "GREAT" and so POWERFUL is because they can't keep their noses out of everyone elses' crap.

<anti-us>vamos fidel !!!</anti-us>

Yes, but inevitably, when you really do need the help of the U.S., you're the type of person who will be screaming, "and where are the U.S. to help us now?!"

Frankly, I'm kinda inclinded to wonder just whether or not you've been brainwashed to think of the U.S. in only one particular light (which applies to almost everyone who's posted in this thread...). It is truly a sad day, when the populace believe what the media tell them *sigh*. Open your mind; take in all the perspectives and views.

...your Cuban slogan says more than enough...

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

Because of people like you. You have horrible grammar and spelling, showing your stupidity, and you are naive and lack an understanding of other peoples' opinions. Christianity is not a reason to love someone, especially seeing what they're trying to do in Indonesia.....Food if you convert! Assholes. Not to mention, you have this opinion that the USA does everything good. Try reading up on all the attrocities, idiot. You obviously don't know anything. And stop wasting space with all these "Why do people hate the US?" forums. They're over-posted and annoying. And yeah, you pretty much answered your own question with that stupid statement you put up. Use it to help people my ass. God, you're stupid. I can't stress that enough.

Oh, you're new. Otherwise you're a regular with a new name deliberately trying to annoy people. Are there really Americans out there who don't know why people hate their goverment? I find that hard to believe. I suspect you are a troll.

Haha, I heart you Sinuhue!

Christianity is not a reason to love someone, especially seeing what they're trying to do in Indonesia.....Food if you convert!

*loud, awkward cough* SOURCE?

Freest? that's a little subjective. And maybe you should try helping without bombs, someday. The Tsunami thing is a nice start, but the US didn't exactly take the lead on that one.



Ooooh, but this one is great.

Firstly, No, you are not. The USA is (supposed to be) secular; you have no official church.

Secondly, I don't want to hear the word of the Lord. Shut up about it already. I hate that.

Thirdly, you're going to hell, because you didn't type "Lord" with a capital letter. Jesus hates your bad grammar.

I heart you too, Kanabia. You said exactly what I wanted to say.

*loud, awkward cough* SOURCE?

Source? Try the news, misinformed one. Jerry Falwell's organization is cancelling the aid now that they can't bring their bibles in.

Source? Try the news, misinformed one. Jerry Falwell's organization is cancelling the aid now that they can't bring their bibles in.

No sorry, the onus is on you to prove beyond any doubt, the truth of your statement. Otherwise, am I to believe everything you say is canon? Try again...

No sorry, the onus is on you to prove beyond any doubt, the truth of your statement. Otherwise, am I to believe everything you say is canon? Try again...

No, sorry, idiot. You should watch the news. But oh, you're a typical American who doesn't watch the news. Or pay any attention to what anyone says besides their preacher. Otherwise, it's all a lie. Even when the truth is staring you right in the face.

EDIT: And I don't want your anus anywhere near me. Sick bastard.

Originally Posted by Jesussaves
I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?



Uh, not everybody who is in America is Christan, for example I live in America and I'm a Jew.I think that other countrys hate America because of Dubya.Or because how America invaded Iraq.

No, sorry, idiot. You should watch the news. But oh, you're a typical American who doesn't watch the news. Or pay any attention to what anyone says besides their preacher. Otherwise, it's all a lie. Even when the truth is staring you right in the face.

EDIT: And I don't want your anus anywhere near me. Sick bastard.

I'm Australian, not American. And, getting back to the point, you're still dodging the question. You haven't prooved anything. You've just jumped on the bandwagon because, oh dear, you couldn't possibly have a mind of your own! No. That would be too damn hard! Answer the question, idiot. Oh wait. You can't. Never mind, just join the herd. You're just as useful as a sheep.

And what the HELL is wrong with you? My behind is on this chair, not anywhere near you. Sick bastard.

...And yet again, I stumble across another fuckhat representing my religion.

A. This has probably been mentioned somewhere else in the topic, but I decided not to scroll through thirteen pages of material, that's just not my idea of kicks...But obviously, if America were a quote, unquote, everly-devoted "Christian" nation, we wouldn't have 1.) Controversies over the line "One Nation, Under God" in our Pledge 2.) That whole to-do about the ten commandment monument 3.) Seperation of church and state

And, before you pull out the whole "devil working his tricks" bit, consider that all of those stemmed from people exercising their freedoms AKA not being forced to conform to Christian standards.

What would Jesus do? He would most likely remain modest, and shut the fuck up. Become more Christ-like. You don't have to believe, but consider everybody's opinion, and stop telling them they're going to hell.

I love the US! My significant other is American. And three of my best friends are. But I hate Bush, his supporters and anything stronger to the right wing then moderate. (Indeed, I don't really hate or like the moderates... They occasionally have something useful to say, but I don't really love them.) But then again, thats a worldwide thing. I hate all such strong to extreme folks equally. I don't hate the American variant more. Same with religious people. Actually I am very fond of alot of people who are religious. But they aren't the kind of nuts who persecute members of other religions or sexual persuasions. (Quite the opposite.)

So why do I hate them? Why do I hate Bush's sycophants. Why do I hate those annoying folks that constantly yell the 'Personal Responsibility' buzzwords and more such in his triumph. Why do I despise the moral hounds, and consider them human trash? Because they oppose just about everything I am and stand for. So of course I hate them. Its inevitable, and irreconcilable. They indirectly seek my death, or at least to opress me. What am I supposed to feel about them? Indeed, they seek similar harm to many of my good friends. Should any of them keel over, I shan't miss them. Would you miss people who are or at least would be after you and many of yours like that? Ah, they might say they aren't. But its pretty darn clear by their actions.

I also hate Bush for being a thieving warmongering thug. But then again, thats many a head of state of just about any party, sadly enough.

But no, actually I love the US. Vast range of climates, beautiful scenery. But then again, Good old Europe has that too. And at least we have less right wing nutjobs here. But hey, maybe the blue states should just split of, then I'll adore that country, and I'll snort disdainfully at Bushland.

I'm Australian, not American. And, getting back to the point, you're still dodging the question. You haven't prooved anything. You've just jumped on the bandwagon because, oh dear, you couldn't possibly have a mind of your own! No. That would be too damn hard! Answer the question, idiot. Oh wait. You can't. Never mind, just join the herd. You're just as useful as a sheep.

And what the HELL is wrong with you? My behind is on this chair, not anywhere near you. Sick bastard.

So you're from Australia then? Close to home eh? Heard about the children air lifted to Jakarta to be put into a Christian orphanage and raised as Christians? I have. I'm not joining any herd. I'm looking at the facts. Jerry Falwell's organization said to stop collecting aid once they were barred from distributing their shit to people. LOOK IT UP. It's not my responsibility to post things. Try being informed. I haven't jumped on any bandwagon, I think I'm in the minority here. It seems you have. Dumbass.

But no, actually I love the US. Vast range of climates, beautiful scenery. But then again, Good old Europe has that too. And at least we have less right wing nutjobs here. But hey, maybe the blue states should just split of, then I'll adore that country, and I'll snort disdainfully at Bushland.

Yeah, so basically, so long as half the world get to have their say, everything is rosy? Mmmm... now that's just brilliance on paper there... [/sarcasm]

Yeah, so basically, so long as half the world get to have their say, everything is rosy? Mmmm... now that's just brilliance on paper there... [/sarcasm]

Bush sucks. And some people seriously don't deserve a say. I'm all for equal rights, but when it comes to voting, you should have to pass an intelligence test. Or rather, and understanding of the world and how it works test. Cuz seriously, people are fucking stupid in this country. "Hey, let's vote for a stupid crack addict who says he's a Christian, and only for that reason! Forget the fact that he is running this country into financial ruin, that his father and his father's predecessor put most of the judges on the bench who won't overturn abortion, that he is doing nothing for us financially (as most of the people who vote for him are poor white trash), and that he lacks any intelligence!"

EDIT: For all you foreigners not versed in US political history, that predecessor I was referring to was Reagan, ie. the man Bush Sr. served as Vice President under. And yes, it does matter. Unlike Parliamentary systems, the President chooses his VP, hence, they usually get along and share ideologies.

So you're from Australia then? Close to home eh? Heard about the children air lifted to Jakarta to be put into a Christian orphanage and raised as Christians? I have. I'm not joining any herd. I'm looking at the facts. Jerry Falwell's organization said to stop collecting aid once they were barred from distributing their shit to people. LOOK IT UP. It's not my responsibility to post things. Try being informed. I haven't jumped on any bandwagon, I think I'm in the minority here. It seems you have. Dumbass.

Dude, seriously. Australia has to deal with Indonesia's shit every God damn day. We hear about everything on the news. Stuff like this would not have gone on the backburner. For crying out loud, our government's politics with Indonesia has decided the last to elections. Whatever you've heard/read is simply a rumour or bull crap (which I suspect you made up). Australian aid workers are being summarily gaoled in Indonesia weekily. They aren't starving these people to gain a few conversions. Believe me, it would be entirely unwise to be a Christian in Indonesia at the moment. Especially with the Jihad called to wipe out anyone who says any of the Indonesian Mullah's are wrong. Dumbass. Get a clue.

America is two Faced.

On one hand we See America turning up late to a War and going on about how it won such a war.

However on the other Hand we have America doing Preemptive Invasions of Other Nations around the Globe.

It is Ironic or am i the only one here?

Just remember Americans, The European Population has been in Total war, and knows what its Like to be Affected by such wars, The American Population has yet to feel that, however if you keep following down this Road you are going down you Population will feel the Affects of Total war.

America is two Faced.
On one hand we See America turning up late to a War and going on about how it won such a war.

However on the other Hand we have America doing Preemptive Invasions of Other Nations around the Globe.
It is Ironic or am i the only one here?


Only you. I disagree alot. If your talking about the second world war concerning being late. Plus had they not turn up, Russia would/should have taken Germany anyway.

Because America has nothing to do with it. It's fighting on the other side of the atlantic ocean. Plus, it highly undoubtly that Germany, Japan or even Russia could pose a threat so far.

And pre-emptive invasions. My god, your talking about a 50 year difference here. You call US two faced?

Dude, seriously. Australia has to deal with Indonesia's shit every God damn day. We hear about everything on the news. Stuff like this would not have gone on the backburner. For crying out loud, our government's politics with Indonesia has decided the last to elections. Whatever you've heard/read is simply a rumour or bull crap (which I suspect you made up). Australian aid workers are being summarily gaoled in Indonesia weekily. They aren't starving these people to gain a few conversions. Believe me, it would be entirely unwise to be a Christian in Indonesia at the moment. Especially with the Jihad called to wipe out anyone who says any of the Indonesian Mullah's are wrong. Dumbass. Get a clue.

It probably wasn't on the back burner. You just chose not to listen, just like tons of Americans. Fucking idiot. You're so fucking stupid. My God.

EDIT: There's a link, jackass. Fucking airlifting 300 Muslims Indonesian children from Aceh to raise them in a Christian home! Fucking preying on the weak!

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1282067.htm

Thats not true. America made all that stuff.

In your dreams..

It probably wasn't on the back burner. You just chose not to listen, just like tons of Americans. Fucking idiot. You're so fucking stupid. My God.

EDIT: There's a link, jackass. Fucking airlifting 300 Muslims Indonesian children from Aceh to raise them in a Christian home! Fucking preying on the weak!

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1282067.htm

Ow, behave!

If you would ever read the bible. You would find that there is no human is going to hell. Instead everyone that has ever lived will be ressurrected and will be judged. There will be the people that will perish from the world forever and the others will be given a second chance at perfection. When this happens satan the devil will be locked in chains for 1000 years. After humans have had the taste of a paradise earth. God will release the devil and satan will try to get as many followers as he can. Then i don't know what will happen because eigher i didnt read it or it was'nt wrote. All this is stated in the bible if you don't believe me then read it yourself. Also only 144,000 people will be going to heaven. These select few will serve as preist and kings from heaven. Everyone else that is saved from armmagedon will help rebuild the earth and live on a paradise earth. This post is for Jesussaves.
There are many sign that the end of this system of things is coming to a end.
In the bible it states that weather will become unpreddictable and violent more than anyone has ever seen on this earth now. The most violent and destructive so far has been the Tsunami in East Asia. Im sure we be seeing much more of things like this. I just can't stand when people try to act like they are a true dedicated person person to god and the Lord Jesus Christ. No one is safe in this world and we will never be safe until the day that Jesus Comes down from the heavens and restores order to this world.

Hmmm, someone obviously thinks that they're saved....

[QUOTE=Greedy Pig]Only you. I disagree alot. If your talking about the second world war concerning being late.QUOTE]

No, Twist is right, America turned up too late in WWII and claim they won it! whatever!

Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord.

I want to share my favorite quote on this subject with you. You're new so you may not have seen it around before, but it has been posted on these forums a couple of times, only to be ignored by people like you...

"[T]he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion[.]"

--President John Adams (2nd president of the United States)

Now, please knock off this "we are a christian nation" bullshit...

[QUOTE=Greedy Pig]Only you. I disagree alot. If your talking about the second world war concerning being late.QUOTE]

No, Twist is right, America turned up too late in WWII and claim they won it! whatever!

I could understand how WWI might be considered too late, however WWII? Please....there were still 4 more years left in it after the US joined. And they did win WWII.....ever heard of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Yeah, and that's why there's VE Day and VJ Day.

(...)when you really do need the help of the U.S., you're the type of person who will be screaming, "and where are the U.S. to help us now?!"

Frankly, I'm kinda inclinded to wonder just whether or not you've been brainwashed to think of the U.S. in only one particular light (which applies to almost everyone who's posted in this thread...). It is truly a sad day, when the populace believe what the media tell them *sigh*. Open your mind; take in all the perspectives and views.

First of all... the US never help other countries out of the goodness of their hearts... that is a fact, so if I ever needed the help of the US it would never come to me, for I have nothing they are interested in. AND EVEN if I had something the US could get its claws upon I'd rather solve my own problems than have some foreign capitalist nation taking control of my country's resources as a result of a peacekeeping action.

and you are telling me to open my mind? COME ON...
For each good thing about the US that I can think of I come up with 4 or 5 things that make me hate the Empire of The USA.

First of all... the US never help other countries out of the goodness of their hearts... that is a fact, so if I ever needed the help of the US it would never come to me, for I have nothing they are interested in. AND EVEN if I had something the US could get its claws upon I'd rather solve my own problems than have some foreign capitalist nation taking control of my country's resources as a result of a peacekeeping action.

and you are telling me to open my mind? COME ON...
For each good thing about the US that I can think of I come up with 4 or 5 things that make me hate the Empire of The USA.

Aren't you glad some people are just happy where they are?

Why do people hate us, you ask? This is VERY complex. Let us start off with the
arabic people. Due to the recent talk about terrorism, this seems the most obvious choice. First off, the arabs have a personal beef with us, we keep interfering in their culture, trying to lift them to democracy, when they obviously like their current system of theocracy. This is another beef they have with us, because to them, we are "infidels." And the Koran states, quote "If the Infidel cannot be converted, he must be slain. And he shall writhe in the fires of Hell for all eternity." So what we have here is the most radical group of conformists in the world. Conform or DIE! That is why we have all of this: :mp5: and not this :fluffle: between us and the arabs. Now let us move to Europe. They may appear to be our friends, and maybe Britian and Spain are, but not the rest of them. For example, in some european countries, euthanasia is legal when used on a kid under 12 years old. If you do something wrong, they just kill you. We have a beef with them for this reason and others. France, well, they suck. They haven't won a war under their own steam in over 200 years. At least. Africa, well, when I tried to explain last time, I got kicked off the forum for being racist (which I'm NOT btw) so I'll leave that one for a later date. South America, not so much, except for Columbia, because we like shooting their drugboats. Mexico, they love us. We get more immigrants, legal or otherwise, from Mexico than anywhere else. China, they want to reaquire Taiwan, and we have a Mutual Defense Pact with Taiwan, so they can't take it back without fighting us. Which would probably lead to a nuclear war. Russia is our friend. Period. India- need to do research, get back to you on that. Australia is our friend. Period. Hope this clears things up a bit.

Maybe they hate us because we don't know what the return key is for.

Radio: Guglielmo Marconi, Italian not American.
Penicillin: Invented by God, discovered by Man. Specifically Alexander Fleming, who was Scottish, not American.
Try again.
1: Marconi didn't invent radio, get your head out of your ass. He just gave it and upgrade. Tesla actually invented the concept of sending audio through the atmosphere by use of modulating the amplitude and/or frequency of electronic signals.
2:Alexander Fleming. . . and, pray tell, was he an American citizen? I think so. It does not matter where he made the discovery, he was still an American citizen, and therefore American. Once again, get your head out of your ass.

LEARN YOUR FACTS, BUTTMUNCH :headbang:

you pretty much answered your own question...

Uh, dude I think this guy's being sarcastic.

Otherwise, yeah I'd agree with you.

1: Marconi didn't invent radio, get your head out of your ass. He just gave it and upgrade. Tesla actually invented the concept of sending audio through the atmosphere by use of modulating the amplitude and/or frequency of electronic signals.
2:Alexander Fleming. . . and, pray tell, was he an American citizen? I think so. It does not matter where he made the discovery, he was still an American citizen, and therefore American. Once again, get your head out of your ass.

LEARN YOUR FACTS, BUTTMUNCH :headbang:
Excuse me, but I believe that qualifies as flaming.
Flaming is against forum rules here. Please refrain from doing so in the future.
Thank you.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

We hate the USA because they are infidels who hold us in their imperialist grasp with military bases in our countries.

We stopped hitler

this might have already been mentioned i only read half the thread before my eyes started to hurt, but..

correct me if i'm wrong but didnt the US sell weapons to both sides and sit back watching the cash roll in through most of WW2? :confused:

Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord.

the crusades also spread the word of 'the lord', how is this a good thing?

1: Marconi didn't invent radio, get your head out of your ass. He just gave it and upgrade. Tesla actually invented the concept of sending audio through the atmosphere by use of modulating the amplitude and/or frequency of electronic signals.
2:Alexander Fleming. . . and, pray tell, was he an American citizen? I think so. It does not matter where he made the discovery, he was still an American citizen, and therefore American. Once again, get your head out of your ass.

LEARN YOUR FACTS, BUTTMUNCH :headbang:

Sir Alexander Fleming – Biography
Sir Alexander Fleming was born at Lochfield near Darvel in Ayrshire, Scotland on August 6th, 1881. He attended Louden Moor School, Darvel School, and Kilmarnock Academy before moving to London where he attended the Polytechnic. He spent four years in a shipping office before entering St. Mary's Medical School, London University. He qualified with distinction in 1906 and began research at St. Mary's under Sir Almroth Wright, a pioneer in vaccine therapy. He gained M.B., B.S., (London), with Gold Medal in 1908, and became a lecturer at St. Mary's until 1914. He served throughout World War I as a captain in the Army Medical Corps, being mentioned in dispatches, and in 1918 he returned to St.Mary's. He was elected Professor of the School in 1928 and Emeritus Professor of Bacteriology, University of London in 1948. He was elected Fellow of the Royal Society in 1943 and knighted in 1944.

Early in his medical life, Fleming became interested in the natural bacterial action of the blood and in antiseptics. He was able to continue his studies throughout his military career and on demobilization he settled to work on antibacterial substances which would not be toxic to animal tissues. In 1921, he discovered in «tissues and secretions» an important bacteriolytic substance which he named Lysozyme. About this time, he devised sensitivity titration methods and assays in human blood and other body fluids, which he subsequently used for the titration of penicillin. In 1928, while working on influenza virus, he observed that mould had developed accidently on a staphylococcus culture plate and that the mould had created a bacteria-free circle around itself. He was inspired to further experiment and he found that a mould culture prevented growth of staphylococci, even when diluted 800 times. He named the active substance penicillin.

Sir Alexander wrote numerous papers on bacteriology, immunology and chemotherapy, including original descriptions of lysozyme and penicillin. They have been published in medical and scientific journals.

Fleming, a Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons (England), 1909, and a Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians (London), 1944, has gained many awards. They include Hunterian Professor (1919), Arris and Gale Lecturer (1929) and Honorary Gold Medal (1946) of the Royal College of Surgeons; Williams Julius Mickle Fellowship, University of London (1942); Charles Mickle Fellowship, University of Toronto (1944); John Scott Medal, City Guild of Philadelphia (1944); Cameron Prize, University of Edinburgh (1945); Moxon Medal, Royal College of Physicians (1945); Cutter Lecturer, Harvard University (1945); Albert Gold Medal, Royal Society of Arts (1946); Gold Medal, Royal Society of Medicine (1947); Medal for Merit, U.S.A. (1947); and the Grand Cross of Alphonse X the Wise, Spain (1948).

He served as President of the Society for General Microbiology, he was a Member of the Pontifical Academy of Science and Honorary Member of almost all the medical and scientific societies of the world. He was Rector of Edinburgh University during 1951-1954, Freeman of many boroughs and cities and Honorary Chief Doy-gei-tau of the Kiowa tribe. He was also awarded doctorate, honoris causa, degrees of almost thirty European and American Universities.

In 1915, Fleming married Sarah Marion McElroy of Killala, Ireland, who died in 1949. Their son is a general medical practitioner.

Fleming married again in 1953, his bride was Dr. Amalia Koutsouri-Voureka, a Greek colleague at St. Mary's.

In his younger days he was a keen member of the Territorial Army and he served from 1900 to 1914 as a private in the London Scottish Regiment.

Dr Fleming died on March 11th in 1955 and is buried in St. Paul's Cathedral.

From Nobel Lectures, Physiology or Medicine 1942-1962, Elsevier Publishing Company, Amsterdam, 1964

This autobiography/biography was written at the time of the award and later published in the book series Les Prix Nobel/Nobel Lectures. The information is sometimes updated with an addendum submitted by the Laureate. To cite this document, always state the source as shown above.



So... American, eh?

Theres one simple reason that people hat ethe US. Its not because you think you are the best, but because you shout that thought from the rooftops. I happen to like the US (the parts I've been to anyway) and most americans I've met have met have been thoroughly pleasant people. Its just that most Americans don't understand humility. Sure, your the biggest and baddest, but you don'y have to rub everyone elses faces in it.

The United States doesn't rub it anyone's face.
We only talk about how good we are to ourselves. Occasionally, we invade someone.
That's about it. Can't help that other people are listening...

Just as an example take your sports. Why is the baseball finals called the world series when the noly temas are American and Canadian? We invented football (or soccer as you insist on calling it) so how about we change the name of the FA cup to the World series of Football?

Its just a general attitude that Americans have that they are better than everyone else. I'm sure most Americans don't actually think that, but thats how it comes across to the rest of the world. When I went to see a baseball match in New York I was treated with utter disdain because I didn't stand for the Star Spangled Banner. Its not my national anthem! When I saw the USA v England at Wembley about 15 years ago I didn't see many Americans standing for God Save the Queen.

The United States doesn't rub it anyone's face.
We only talk about how good we are to ourselves. Occasionally, we invade someone.
That's about it. Can't help that other people are listening...

If all you're doing is talking to each other, dammit, your amp must be at 11.

this might have already been mentioned i only read half the thread before my eyes started to hurt, but..

correct me if i'm wrong but didnt the US sell weapons to both sides and sit back watching the cash roll in through most of WW2? :confused:



the crusades also spread the word of 'the lord', how is this a good thing?
I love revisionist history.

Whats revisionist? Thats a fact.

If some young Americans keep yelling earnestly how we won WW2, defeated communism and spread Democracy, please forgive them. They were actually taught that in school.

Its part of the feel-good-to-be-American spin doctoring that started after the sixties era protests. The ‘government’ decided fix the future generations by making them more pliable to dogma.

It is part of the teaching belief that you only teach the top 10% of the facts, because children really don’t want to know everything anyway. Each student is then permitted to pick a particular series of subjects to explore on their own in more detail later on. So you spend elective credits to pick up classes you actually like, and then you get taught more details.

So (making up a number here) 80% of the students only know 10% of the details of how the world worked & works currently.

On top of that we have very selective news editing. You have to watch a foreign language news program to get details on most current events.

To answer the question, I believe many nations are taught to hate America because for a 100 years or so we have been manipulating other nations to improve our own position.

We are taught we support democracy, the current President preaches the idea and I do believe we want democracy in Iraq. However we have crushed dozens of democracies when they did not agree to follow our lead. So we have a justifiably bad reputation and none of this is taught outside of college.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

because we go around and start threads whining and asking why everybody hates us

If some young Americans keep yelling earnestly how we won WW2, defeated communism and spread Democracy, please forgive them. They were actually taught that in school.

Well, all of those are verifiably true. It may not be the whole story, but they're all true.

If not for the United States, Nazi Germany and her allies would have won the Second World War (of course, they'd have won if not for Britain or the Soviet Union; remove ANY of those three, and they'd have been victorious. The United States, however, was absolutely essential in defeating Japan).

And debate over the fall of Communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe aside, it was the United States who sent in the Marines to depose the Communist government of Grenada. In that same action, they indeed brought democracy to that island nation, as they did six years later, to Panama -- and indeed, on innumerable other occasions.

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I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?


haha I wonder why? :rolleyes:

We hate the USA because they are infidels who hold us in their imperialist grasp with military bases in our countries.
Sucks to be you.

It is all well and good going in with the marines, removing a communist government such as in Panama, Grenada, El Salvador. But the trouble was that the governments put in place by the US were usually brutal dictatorships that kept communism out by terrorising the general populace and ruling with an iron fist. Hence people started to get pretty pissed off with American intervention in their countries.

It is all well and good going in with the marines, removing a communist government such as in Panama, Grenada, El Salvador. But the trouble was that the governments put in place by the US were usually brutal dictatorships that kept communism out by terrorising the general populace and ruling with an iron fist. Hence people started to get pretty pissed off with American intervention in their countries.
Operations Urgent Fury and Just Cause were welcomed with open arms by the residents of Grenada and Panama, and are directly responsible for those residents having enjoyed over 15 years of democratic rule.

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I could understand how WWI might be considered too late, however WWII? Please....there were still 4 more years left in it after the US joined. And they did win WWII.....ever heard of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't done to win the war, but to force Stalin to a stop in Europe. Japan was already on the verge of surrendering so there wasn't any need to use them in the first place. That wasn't winning, that was just plain slaughtering

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The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't done to win the war, but to force Stalin to a stop in Europe. Japan was already on the verge of surrendering so there wasn't any need to use them in the first place. That wasn't winning, that was just plain slaughtering

Despite whatever opinions you may have on the motives of the bombings, they are regarded as the pivotal point of winning the war. In any case, my point was that the US did indeed win WWII for the Allies.

Why do people hate us, you ask? This is VERY complex. Let us start off with the
arabic people. Due to the recent talk about terrorism, this seems the most obvious choice. First off, the arabs have a personal beef with us, we keep interfering in their culture, trying to lift them to democracy, when they obviously like their current system of theocracy. This is another beef they have with us, because to them, we are "infidels." And the Koran states, quote "If the Infidel cannot be converted, he must be slain. And he shall writhe in the fires of Hell for all eternity." So what we have here is the most radical group of conformists in the world. Conform or DIE! That is why we have all of this: :mp5: and not this :fluffle: between us and the arabs. Now let us move to Europe. They may appear to be our friends, and maybe Britian and Spain are, but not the rest of them. For example, in some european countries, euthanasia is legal when used on a kid under 12 years old. If you do something wrong, they just kill you. We have a beef with them for this reason and others. France, well, they suck. They haven't won a war under their own steam in over 200 years. At least. Africa, well, when I tried to explain last time, I got kicked off the forum for being racist (which I'm NOT btw) so I'll leave that one for a later date. South America, not so much, except for Columbia, because we like shooting their drugboats. Mexico, they love us. We get more immigrants, legal or otherwise, from Mexico than anywhere else. China, they want to reaquire Taiwan, and we have a Mutual Defense Pact with Taiwan, so they can't take it back without fighting us. Which would probably lead to a nuclear war. Russia is our friend. Period. India- need to do research, get back to you on that. Australia is our friend. Period. Hope this clears things up a bit.

You're wrong. Christians are given the title "People of the Book" not infidel. An infidel was a pagan who tried to destroy a muslim, for the most part. At the time in Arabia, Muslims were persecuted and killed by Pagan Arabs. It also says in the Qur'an that if these infidels were kind, be kind in return. I'm tired of people like you spreading your hateful garbage. Also, most Arab countries are nothing remotely like theocracies, and this country, the U.S., is not a democracy. It's a republic, where we elect our congressional representatives, but we don't directly elect our president. These things can be taken by an amendment, as this government is not expressly a democracy. If it was a democracy, it would be easy to change things when the majority of the population favors such changes, and it isn't. For instance, the majority of Americans want national healthcare, but do we have it? No.

1: Marconi didn't invent radio, get your head out of your ass. He just gave it and upgrade. Tesla actually invented the concept of sending audio through the atmosphere by use of modulating the amplitude and/or frequency of electronic signals.
2:Alexander Fleming. . . and, pray tell, was he an American citizen? I think so. It does not matter where he made the discovery, he was still an American citizen, and therefore American. Once again, get your head out of your ass.

LEARN YOUR FACTS, BUTTMUNCH :headbang:

An upgrade would imply that there was already a radio in existence. There wasn't. Marconi invented the actual radio. A concept is useless until it is applied. Leonardo DaVinci came up with the CONCEPT of a helicopter, but if he had invented one 400 years before it was actually invented, the world would be a far different place. You're the one with your head in your ass. And yes, actually, it matters more so where the object was invented, when it comes to people of dual-citizenship. Alexander Graham Bell was both a British (Scottish) citizen and an American citizen. We lay claim to his telephone simply because he invented it here in the U.S. instead of Britain.

For example, in some european countries, euthanasia is legal when used on a kid under 12 years old. If you do something wrong, they just kill you. We have a beef with them for this reason and others
Never have heard such bullshit before. Have you any kind of prove for this? It's your country which has the death penalty and just kills people who did wrong things.

France, well, they suck. They haven't won a war under their own steam in over 200 years. At least.
So that makes them bad people?

You must be very ignorant and never been abroad to spread such nonsense, we all know (that went abroad) that we find much more liberties in the EU versus the current US (OK NYC matches the EU). Grow up and read some international papers instead of FOX and other one sided views.
That's not true. America is more free. We can worship Jesus as we choose. The british have blasphemy laws to protect the angelican church.

You're wrong. Christians are given the title "People of the Book" not infidel.
So are Jews, and that's something that Arabs leaders need to hear, much more than we do.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?
how did you stop communism? and also, have you ever heard of the patriot act?

The british have blasphemy laws to protect the angelican church.
do we?

do we?
IIRC, they were upheld by the highest court as recently as the 70's.

how did you stop communism?
SEND IN THE MARINES!

2. Yes the Americans only Aided in Europe, the Russians and British did the Major work.
3. Maybe we wanted Communism? Who said it was a bad thing, while not being byest?
5. Strongest yes, i highly doubt Freest.


If you didn't need our help why did you ask for it?

Now let us move to Europe. They may appear to be our friends, and maybe Britian and Spain are, but not the rest of them. For example, in some european countries, euthanasia is legal when used on a kid under 12 years old. If you do something wrong, they just kill you. We have a beef with them for this reason and others. France, well, they suck.

This have many intersting thing that you can comment, but I just want to comment on one thing that Spain and England is friends and French sucks. Because I guessed it is based on the recent episode before the Iraq war. There Spain and England did support the invasion but not French. There is it very intesting that all three countries had populaton that was against the war. But if was pretty clear that French that just followed the American principle, of that the goverment should follow the will of people and not the will of foreign state that, got bashied by some Americans.

While Spain and England goverment who went against the people of their country and was instead loyale to a foreign country named USA of course got the Americans blessing. The following up to this is also intresting that the Spanish people got really really pissed that they understand that they I had been atacked by fanatics in their own country because their goverment supported and also sent trops to a war they disliked and also tried to failsy blame ETA for the atacks. That got the result they kicked out that goverment and installed a new goverment in the election they held and that the new goverment pulled out the troops as the oppostion a long time hade promised. But the good things for the USA thas that they wasn't a important coalition partners think o that had happen if they forces had been 25% of the forces then America would have had a very big problem. I don't know if this fact have been reported so much in the USA.

I can't undrstand why people hate the America. We do so much good for the owrld. We stopped hitler we stopped communism, we spread democrasy and freedom. We have the freeest and strongest country in the world and we use it to help people. Plus we are a christian nation and we spread the word of the lord. Why do you hate us?

Why do we hate you? Because u think u rule the world.
O and btw u didnt stop Hitler on ur own. Britain helped, and France and Russia and Canada and Australia, (Bloody Hell the list goes on forever). Anyway just thort id bring that up

This is not a joke. Everyone is un-grateful to the USA. We invented all kinds of stuff like radio pennicilin jet planes and tv. You would all be living in caves if not for us.

So you are telling us that the US invented the house now as well? What's next?? "You'd all be dead now if the US hadn't invented food and water!" That fact that you think you are the greatest country ever to exist is another strike against you. Get over yourself.

What the world hates is your hypocritical government that only really cares about its own well-being. It spreads "freedom" by imposing its own moral code on other countries, but only helps countries it has a vested interest in or when the rest of the world would look down upon it for not doing so. I would go into historical examples if I were not at work and needingt o be back at my desk in 90 seconds (and I don't really want the nit-pickers that inhabit just about every forum ever created to blast any slight mistakes in my examples).

I'm sure there are millions of nice, hard-working Americans. You just have a raving jackass representing you.

A representative that I did not vote for ... either time he was elected. As
far as christianity is concerned ... christianity is a choice ... given to the
entire world. Weather or not you believe in it is your choice, because we
were all given free will by God. All God requires of me is to share it with the
world so you may make that choice ... just remember wrong choices always have bad consequences.

So you are telling us that the US invented the house now as well? What's next?? "You'd all be dead now if the US hadn't invented food and water!" That fact that you think you are the greatest country ever to exist is another strike against you. Get over yourself.

I'm sorry that we have idiots who try to speak for us, Ask Me Again Later. I feel like beating the hell out of that Jesussaves idiot.