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This is funny, check it out:

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/01/012805straightPride.htm
(Edmond, Oklahoma) Student Republicans at the University of Central Oklahoma say gay students are trying to take away their right to free speech.

The UCO College Republicans says it will go ahead with "Straight Pride Week" on campus despite criticism. The group says it has every right to celebrate.

"The general gist is that if you are a straight student on campus be proud, be loud, this is your time to shine," College Republican Kyle Houts told Oklahoma City's channel 5.
The group has posted fliers on campus that read, "we're here, we're conservative, we're out."

Members of the UCO Gay Alliance for Tolerance and Equality say they consider the event an attack on LGBT students.

"What is there to say about it, 'I'm proud, and I'm straight and I guess white,' I don't know?" said GATE member Jennifer Rodriguez. "I think they definitely are being discriminatory because there's probably a lot of gay Republicans out there."

University officials have given the College Republicans permission to put up their fliers, but say their approval does not constitute an endorsement.


I think that these Reps are right for once, even if they are making themselves look slightly stupid. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your sexuality. I think that the LGBT groups are being overly-sensitive about this. As far as I know these proud straight people will not be waving around hateful placards or anything like that, so what's the problem?

Roflmao

So, they're celebrating being straight.

Errr... w00t?

That's gonna be the dullest parade ever.

Rediculous. People still follow Stalin's veiws on freedom of speech
"I absolutely believe in freedom of speech. You have the right to say whatever you like, as long as I agree with it."

"YEAH YEAH SEX WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX, YEAH YEAH"

These people are a bunch of faggots.

unless they have naked girls dancing on polls thats the most fucktarded stupid lame discriminatory parade ever

I'm guessing thats going to be a very unfestive parade, with little fashion sense.

unless they have naked girls dancing on polls thats the most fucktarded stupid lame discriminatory parade ever
hows it discriminatory?

hows it discriminatory?
they are purposefully mocking homosexuals and homosexuality, it is not a straight pride parade its a "haha look at the gay people" parade

they are purposefully mocking homosexuals and homosexuality, it is not a straight pride parade its a "haha look at the gay people" parade
no....its a straight parade, not a "haha look at the gay people" parade

is a gay pride parade discriminatory? its the same thing, just for a different sexuality

i hope they have a great time.
i doubt they'll ever have a second one

Yeah only gay people are aloud to be proud of who they are! Any one else doing the same thing would be discrimination!

That about sums up your logic?

There's nothing discriminatory about it. I guess the people holding it could be holding it out of spite, but discrimination it is not. Gay republicans are allowed to be gay and republican. They don't have to be able to participate in a straight pride week that happens to be run by republicans. It's sort of like saying a female pride week would be discriminatory because only people that get to participate are women.

I think that could be a great parade. What do straight men like? Women, beautiful women. Scantly clan women. Oh, I can see the parade now, and it is a thing of beauty. Just use your imagination.

Only downside I can see is that there's also straight republicans that are women. Maybe the parade can be split into two parts so you know when to close your eyes.

no....its a straight parade, not a "haha look at the gay people" parade

is a gay pride parade discriminatory? its the same thing, just for a different sexualitythats differnet than this, you arnt reading between the lines. they are NOT celebrating their heterosexuality, they are celebrating the fact they arnt gay and are doing it SOLELY to mock homosexuals

thats differnet than this, you arnt reading between the lines. they are NOT celebrating their heterosexuality, they are celebrating the fact they arnt gay and are doing it SOLELY to mock homosexuals
then a gay pride parade is doing exactly the same thing

can i ask, are you gay or straight?

thats differnet than this, you arnt reading between the lines. they are NOT celebrating their heterosexuality, they are celebrating the fact they arnt gay and are doing it SOLELY to mock homosexuals

I'd like to see you demonstrate some proof of this.

"reading between the lines" meaning, putting words in their mouths.

then a gay pride parade is doing exactly the same thing

can i ask, are you gay or straight?
NO ITS NOT YOU FUCKING IDIOT

and fine not discriminatory "homophobic"

the gay people are celebrating yay we're gay we're different, these uptight assholes are celebrating yay we're not gay, haha at yo ugay people

im sure everyone would be so gungho over nazis marchnig around for aryan pride

"Hey Honey, look! A bunch of white guys walking down the street!"

NO ITS NOT YOU FUCKING IDIOT

and fine not discriminatory "homophobic"

the gay people are celebrating yay we're gay we're different, these uptight assholes are celebrating yay we're not gay, haha at yo ugay people

im sure everyone would be so gungho over nazis marchnig around for aryan pride
thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard

"gay people are celebrating yay we're gay"
"uptight assholes are celebrating yay we're not gay"

and somehow theres a difference?

how can one be discrimination and not the other?

I'd like to see you demonstrate some proof of this.
"The general gist is that if you are a straight student on campus be proud, be loud, this is your time to shine," College Republican Kyle Houts told Oklahoma City's channel 5.
The group has posted fliers on campus that read, "we're here, we're conservative, we're out."
read "we don't like gay people, haha we're not gay"

read "we don't like gay people, haha we're not gay"
no...its "were straight and proud of it" in the same way a gay pride parade isnt "we dont like straight people, haha were not gay"

then again, i suppose thats exactly what you think a gay pride parade is?

thats the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard

"gay people are celebrating yay we're gay"
"uptight assholes are celebrating yay we're not gay"

and somehow theres a difference?

how can one be discrimination and not the other?
i said change discriminatory to homophobic

and yes, there is a difference between celebrating the fact you are somethnig and celebrating the fact you arnt something, especially when the something is despised and shunned in the society

NO ITS NOT YOU FUCKING IDIOT

and fine not discriminatory "homophobic"
"Homophobic" would be fleeing in terror from the gay pride parade, sorry not that either.

I wonder if they'll have a float featuring knocked-up 13-15 year olds.

i said change discriminatory to homophobic

and yes, there is a difference between celebrating the fact you are somethnig and celebrating the fact you arnt something, especially when the something is despised and shunned in the society
gay pride parade - "were gay, not straight"
straight pride parade - "were straight, not gay"

and someone only one of them isnt discrimination?

are you gay?

"Homophobic" would be fleeing in terror from the gay pride parade, sorry not that either.
homophobia:
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

www.dictionary.com

and yes, there is a difference between celebrating the fact you are somethnig and celebrating the fact you arnt something, especially when the something is despised and shunned in the society
So your saying theres certain groups that should not be able to be proud of who they are. That they're individuality is not something of value. Yeah, totally against discrimination.

gay pride parade - "were gay, not straight"
straight pride parade - "were straight, not gay"

and someone only one of them isnt discrimination?

are you gay?
no im not, which means im apparently the only one with a clue

ok in nazi germany is there a differne between a german pride parade and a jewish pride parade

yeah one can get you killed or at least hated

So your saying theres certain groups that should not be able to be proud of who they are. That they're individuality is not something of value. Yeah, totally against discrimination.
I DONT CARE IF THERE IS A STRAIGHT PRIDE PARADE, as long as the purpose of it is STRAIGHT PRIDE not homophobia

read "we don't like gay people, haha we're not gay"

Read: "We're tired of the needless pompous gay pride and our way of countering such pretention that is shoved in our faces (because we're republicans.. at a college) is to match it with an equal dose of gross exaggeration."

I DONT CARE IF THERE IS A STRAIGHT PRIDE PARADE, as long as the purpose of it is STRAIGHT PRIDE not homophobia

Then you admit that it is possible for this not to be homophobia.

It's so obvious. Because we have straight week 51 weeks out of the year!
:rolleyes:

Read: "We're tired of the needless pompous gay pride and our way of countering such pretention that is shoved in our faces (because we're republicans.. at a college) is to match it with an equal dose of gross exaggeration."
does the school have a gay pride parade?

does the school have a gay pride parade?

I have no idea. There are gay pride parades though. Maybe there was one in the area and this is a response to it. You're right, I could be wrong. We really can't tell one way or another.

no im not, which means im apparently the only one with a clue

ok in nazi germany is there a differne between a german pride parade and a jewish pride parade

yeah one can get you killed or at least hated
i would suggest youre the one without a clue

homophobia:
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

www.dictionary.com\
Are they fleeing the gays? Certainly not, sorry not Homophobic.

i would suggest youre the one without a clue
ys because irecognize this as a parade for homophobic reasons instead of straight pride

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Are they fleeing the gays? Certainly not, sorry not Homophobic.
are you really that stupid after reading that? one would hope not

ys because irecognize this as a parade for homophobic reasons instead of straight pride
no....its a straight pride parade. if it was and anti-gay parade youd be right, but its not and you arent

ys because irecognize this as a parade for homophobic reasons instead of straight pride
Because you make generalizations and judgements on people you have not met. By your gross extreminizations of peoples arguments, I could equate gay pride with gay supremecism :rolleyes:

Because you make generalizations and judgements on people you have not met.
and you dont even know what homophobia is after reading the definition, you opinion is moot

i would suggest youre the one without a clue

Right. First, what nazi germany did in their parades and what college republicans are doing are uncomparable. They were parading for two very different reasons. Second, nazi germany was openly discriminatory. These republicans are not.

Right. First, what nazi germany did in their parades and what college republicans are doing are uncomparable. They were parading for two very different reasons. Second, nazi germany was openly discriminatory. These republicans are not.
thats....pretty much what i said, youre arguing with the wrong person

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Are they fleeing the gays? Certainly not, sorry not Homophobic.

Phobia:
1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.
2. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.

Fear:
1. A feeling of agitation and anxiety caused by the presence or imminence of danger.
2. A state or condition marked by this feeling.
3. A feeling of disquiet or apprehension.
4. Extreme reverence or awe, as toward a supreme power.
5. A reason for dread or apprehension.

You don't have to flee things to fear them.

Right. First, what nazi germany did in their parades and what college republicans are doing are uncomparable. They were parading for two very different reasons. Second, nazi germany was openly discriminatory. These republicans are not.
.... i wont even justify that with an intelligent response

and you dont even know what homophobia is after reading the definition, you opinion is moot
I used the definition in websters, not your definition of bowing to Gay superiority.

.... i wont even justify that with an intelligent response
You haven't justified anything with an intellegent responce.

and you dont even know what homophobia is after reading the definition, you opinion is moot

There's a difference between a dictionary definition and the commonly used definition. It'd make things a whole lot easier if we stuck with dictionary definitions, but that's not in the cards.

For example, the word fag. Look it up. A gay person is not the official definition of it.

I used the definition in websters, not your definition of bowing to Gay superiority.
homophobia: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=homophobia&x=0&y=0

then a gay pride parade is doing exactly the same thing

no. there is a vast difference between an oppressed and marginalized group creating a space for themselves and celebrating that they don't have to be ashamed of themselves no matter what the dominant culture says, and the dominant culture having 'pride' parades for itself. this just the dominant group further asserting its dominance. every week of the year is 'straight pride week' - heterosexuality is the cultural norm, it needs no 'pride week' to keep it from being marginalized. but up until just this past year, it was fucking illegal to be gay in a number of states. including oklahoma, where this 'pride parade' is being held.

.... i wont even justify that with an intelligent response

I don't know why you'd want to justify it since you're on the opposing side of the argument.

There's a difference between a dictionary definition and the commonly used definition. It'd make things a whole lot easier if we stuck with dictionary definitions, but that's not in the cards.

For example, the word fag. Look it up. A gay person is not the official definition of it.
are you trying to justify the definition of homophobia as "running away from homosexuals" ? please tell me you arnt

This is just rich! I was waiting for something like this to happen.

homophobia: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=homophobia&x=0&y=0
And so a group, not questioning the right to gay pride or overtly attacking them, is homophobic. Guess that means St. Patrick's day is racist :rolleyes:

And so a group, not questioning the right to gay pride or overtly attacking them, is homophobic. Guess that means St. Patrick's day is racist :rolleyes:
your getting ignored

no. there is a vast difference between an oppressed and marginalized group creating a space for themselves and celebrating that they don't have to be ashamed of themselves no matter what the dominant culture says, and the dominant culture having 'pride' parades for itself. this just the dominant group further asserting its dominance. every week of the year is 'straight pride week' - heterosexuality is the cultural norm, it needs no 'pride week' to keep it from being marginalized. but up until just this past year, it was fucking illegal to be gay in a number of states. including oklahoma, where this 'pride parade' is being held.

Perhaps our morals differ, but I see nothing wrong with having pride in who you are regardless of how many other people are just like you.

your getting ignored
I have no time to deal with LOGIC, and RATIONALITY! I'm too busy being offended! :mad: :p

your getting ignored

You're

And so a group, not questioning the right to gay pride or overtly attacking them, is homophobic. Guess that means St. Patrick's day is racist :rolleyes:

I don't get it. Say that again?

OH NO!
Straight people are going to march down the street shouting clever slogans! HIDE THE CHILDREN!

Seriously, since when does freedom of speech only apply to minorities?
If the KKK can march down Pennsyviania avenue, I dont see why a group of students shouldnt be allowed to have a parade, even IF its just to make fun of gays.
Perhaps the LGB's should develope a sense of humour?

Perhaps our morals differ, but I see nothing wrong with having pride in who you are regardless of how many other people are just like you.

when 'straight pride' is being pushed in direct opposition to gay pride, the subtext is quite clear. it is exactly the same subtext we see when certain groups push 'white pride' in direct opposition to "say it loud, i'm black and i'm proud!'.

Is heterosexuality shunned? Is it preached against? Are people afraid of getting beaten up for practicing heterosexuality? Are people being made ashamed of their heterosexuality? Are there any bills or amendments being written to descriminate heterosexuality? Are their dominant sectors of society that opress heterosexuality?

No?

Isn't society itself set up to cater distinctly to heterosexuals? Is not heterosexuality so dominant that default assumption goes to people being heterosexuals?

Yes?

So this parade is then a celebration of the dominant group, celebrating-in essense, thier dominance. They are proud that they are the default and are demonstrating that even though there is nothing that prevents them from essentially celebrating it in their day to day existance. In fact, if no one says anything, the assumption is they are heterosexual.

That last bit is why there are gay pride parades, it allows them to step out of the default and rather than be ashamed, sheltered, be who they are-something more effective, safer, and builds a community when done in a public demonstration. Since straight people get that by walking out the door, the purpose for the parade becomes suspect. Which means Reaper2K3's assumptions about the motives are pretty well deserved.

Cause the need for a parade because you want pride, too-that's the logic of a 12 year old. ("But I want a lollipop, too daddy...")

I'm straight, I'm just not stupid.

What's so bad about fleeing from gay people?

when 'straight pride' is being pushed in direct opposition to gay pride, the subtext is quite clear. it is exactly the same subtext we see when certain groups push 'white pride' in direct opposition to "say it loud, i'm black and i'm proud!'.

Unsavory, but not really oppression.

Homosexuals are queer!

I don't get it. Say that again?
Well, logically, if a strait pride parade was homophobic, that would make an Irish pride parade would be anti-black. Of course this being silly, would make a rational person realise theirs nothing wrong with a straight pride parade, but asking for a rational person is a bit much from Reaper_2k3

This is funny, check it out:

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/01/012805straightPride.htm


I think that these Reps are right for once, even if they are making themselves look slightly stupid. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your sexuality. I think that the LGBT groups are being overly-sensitive about this. As far as I know these proud straight people will not be waving around hateful placards or anything like that, so what's the problem?
It's an odd idea, but they have every right to celebrate if they feel like it.

im sure everyone would be so gungho over nazis marchnig around for aryan pride
That's because being a Nazi is not just about being proud of being white, it's about hating everyone who is not, and therein lies the problem.

Being proud of being straight (not a political ideology anyway) is just that. It is not about hating those who are not straight.

I think that could be a great parade. What do straight men like? Women, beautiful women. Scantly clan women. Oh, I can see the parade now, and it is a thing of beauty. Just use your imagination.
Actually, considering that these are conservative Republicans, they will probably be heterosexual in the least hot, sexual way possible. Which is why they will look silly. But I say "good for them!"

Heck everyone has a parade nowadays anyway. Let's have a straight parade, next week a flaming gay parade, then a NAMBLA parade, then a butch lesbo parade, finally we could have a Local Donkey Lovers (#1265) parade. Then everyone can be happy.

Why do gays always have to cry the blues about being oppressed? They cry cause they are gay, I forgot!

Well, logically, if a strait pride parade was homophobic, that would make an Irish pride parade would be anti-black. Of course this being silly, would make a rational person realise theirs nothing wrong with a straight pride parade, but asking for a rational person is a bit much from Reaper_2k3

This is true, but I think the argument as moved on to assumption of guilt based on what we know of the steriotypical white man that would hold a straight week and subtext and what not.

I will concede that the steriotypical straight man holding this is probably doing it in spite, but I'm assuming steriotypes are just that and should be applied to this case without better reason.

Why do gays always have to cry the blues about being oppressed? They cry cause they are gay, I forgot!

I don't think any gay person I've ever known was predisposed to crying. That didn't add much.

That's because being a Nazi is not just about being proud of being white, it's about hating everyone who is not, and therein lies the problem.

Being proud of being straight (not a political ideology anyway) is just that. It is not about hating those who are not straight.


Actually, considering that these are conservative Republicans, they will probably be heterosexual in the least hot, sexual way possible. Which is why they will look silly. But I say "good for them!"

You've never been to a Republican party then! Those girls they used to get were damn hot!

This is true, but I think the argument as moved on to assumption of guilt based on what we know of the steriotypical white man that would hold a straight week and subtext and what not.

I will concede that the steriotypical straight man holding this is probably doing it in spite, but I'm assuming steriotypes are just that and should be applied to this case without better reason.
what the genisu you qutoed doesnt understand is im not maknig a sweeping generalization that because it is straight pride its homophobic, im saying that this is straight pride for the PURPOSE of mocking homosexuals.

then again he thinks homophobia is fleeing from gay people

Homosexuals are queer!
That's a bit like saying "Yellow is a color."
:D

They should just have a parade dedicated to straight people to flee from gay people. It sets a good example. Gay people will be left alone and not bothered by straight people. In the end we will all get along.

what the genisu you qutoed doesnt understand is im not maknig a sweeping generalization that because it is straight pride its homophobic, im saying that this is straight pride for the PURPOSE of mocking homosexuals.

You can say it all you want. It doesn't mean it is. That sort of renders the whole argument moot due to lack of facts.

then again he thinks homophobia is fleeing from gay people

I don't see what that proves.

That's a bit like saying "Yellow is a color."
:D


Well i call a cat a cat!

How do you know when your best friend is gay?

Well i call a cat a cat!

How do you know when your best friend is gay?
when he tells you?

when he tells you?

No, when his D**k tastes like poop!

No, when his D**k tastes like poop!
ingenius

In this day and age it is just safer to assume your best friend is gay.

No, when his D**k tastes like poop!
It seems someones subconcious is discussing its desire to falate a man.

"Homophobic" would be fleeing in terror from the gay pride parade, sorry not that either.


Yeah, because all the assholes who flock to pride parades with their 'god hates fags' signs are so not homophobic :rolleyes:

That's gonna be the dullest parade ever.

Indeed. The LGBT group is being overly sensitive - they should let the Republicans look like tools if they feel so moved.

i said change discriminatory to homophobic

and yes, there is a difference between celebrating the fact you are somethnig and celebrating the fact you arnt something, especially when the something is despised and shunned in the society

Precisely. Pride events -whether based on sexuality, race, religion, etc - are a gathering of people who have been shunned, oppressed, and denied rights by a society. It is a statement about not given in to the intolerance.

It seems someones subconcious is discussing its desire to falate a man.

Sorry Freud, but I am as straight as an arrow. Besides that joke is from a Truely Tasteless joke book. Nice try Poindexter!!


BTW-You bring up the gay thing. Are you by chance a pillow muncher?

Heck everyone has a parade nowadays anyway. Let's have a straight parade, next week a flaming gay parade, then a NAMBLA parade, then a butch lesbo parade, finally we could have a Local Donkey Lovers (#1265) parade. Then everyone can be happy.

Why do gays always have to cry the blues about being oppressed? They cry cause they are gay, I forgot!

Hey, if it's good enough for Republicans to cry about oppression because they're "conservative," it's good enough for gays to cry about being gay. Maybe people should just stop bitching. GLBTs - stop acting as if every little thing is a significant attack against you and being so damned serious. Republicans - stop acting as if someone taking your extra cookie away is oppression.

There, now everyone should be happy.

It seems someones subconcious is discussing its desire to falate a man.Sorry Freud, but I am as straight as an arrow. Besides that joke is from a Truely Tasteless joke book. Nice try Poindexter!!

BTW-You bring up the gay thing. Are you by chance a pillow muncher?

Welcome to dueling insecurities! We have two categories tonight, "You're gay" and "No, you're gay!" IJ, you won the dirty dice toss, so you go first!

So this parade is then a celebration of the dominant group, celebrating-in essense, thier dominance. They are proud that they are the default and are demonstrating that even though there is nothing that prevents them from essentially celebrating it in their day to day existance. In fact, if no one says anything, the assumption is they are heterosexual.

That last bit is why there are gay pride parades, it allows them to step out of the default and rather than be ashamed, sheltered, be who they are-something more effective, safer, and builds a community when done in a public demonstration. Since straight people get that by walking out the door, the purpose for the parade becomes suspect. Which means Reaper2K3's assumptions about the motives are pretty well deserved. So you can't be racist against whites? Can't be sexist against men?

I could yell "Whites are all evil" and it wouldn't be racist or "Men are all stupid" and it wouldn't be sexist?

Discrimination does not only apply to minorities.

I wonder if the glbt alliance at this university in central Okalahoma is planning a copy cat parade of some more flamboyant conservative antics, and isn't there enough "straight pride" already? :D

So you can't be racist against whites? Can't be sexist against men?

I could yell "Whites are all evil" and it wouldn't be racist or "Men are all stupid" and it wouldn't be sexist?

Discrimination does not only apply to minorities.
This is a non-sequitor argument. The fact of the matter is, no one is descriminating against straights.

A solitary black man or gay man can both yell all about whitey and breeders on the corner all they like, and while it may offend most who hear it, that's all the damage those two are going to do.

Not the same when a dominant group in the culture does it, and certainly not the same when that same dominant group legislates against the minority group, something that has been done to both groups.

The difference is the power to act on those words.

Why do gays always have to cry the blues about being oppressed? They cry cause they are gay, I forgot!
Crying? Gay pride parades are normally rather happy events!

I wonder if the glbt alliance at this university in central Okalahoma is planning a copy cat parade of some more flamboyant conservative antics, and isn't there enough "straight pride" already? :D
Show up at the straight parade like the homophobes do at thiers, only now with signs that say "Breeders are idiots" and "Are you this incapable of a complex understanding of social issues?"

I'ts official, reaper's gay.....

This is a non-sequitor argument. The fact of the matter is, no one is descriminating against straights.And this parade isn't discriminating against gays...

I can't see how anyone finds a "Gay Pride" parade acceptable, but a "Straight Pride" parade unacceptable.

A solitary black man or gay man can both yell all about whitey and breeders on the corner all they like, and while it may offend most who hear it, that's all the damage those two are going to do.

Not the same when a dominant group in the culture does it, and certainly not the same when that same dominant group legislates against the minority group, something that has been done to both groups.

The difference is the power to act on those words.So freedom of speech shouldn't apply unless yours is a minority viewpoint?

It doesn't matter how many people agree with you or not, you have the right to express your ideas.

I'ts official, reaper's gay.....
i know some girls that would disagree with that, as well as probably kick your ass

They should have a flee from gay pride parades parade.

Welcome to dueling insecurities! We have two categories tonight, "You're gay" and "No, you're gay!" IJ, you won the dirty dice toss, so you go first!
Might I be so original to add 'you're mom!'

And this parade isn't discriminating against gays...

I can't see how anyone finds a "Gay Pride" parade acceptable, but a "Straight Pride" parade unacceptable.

So freedom of speech shouldn't apply unless yours is a minority viewpoint?

It doesn't matter how many people agree with you or not, you have the right to express your ideas.
This is the disconnect, and speaks legions to the inherent problem I see in a lot of things.

When I point out that this is a dominant group celebrating thier dominance and that the need and underlining motivation for this parade is suspect, I am not saying that they should be barred or banned from doing it, I am merely pointing out that what they are doing is ill-concieved. I did not say they can't, I said (more or less) that they are not very bright and laid out the reasons for thinking that.

If you are not prepared to have your motives questions or your stance countered or examined by others, then shut up. That's not censorship, you are free to say and do whatever dumbass thing that floats into your mind, but we are free to point and say, "Now there goes a real dumbass."

But you, it seems, cannot concieve of dessent as anything other than people saying people shouldn't be allowed to say anything. That is troubling, as it means that you do not understand one of the tenants and underlying reasons for free speech to begin with.

Your right. They should just come out and say they are doing at least partly to mock homosexuals for gathering in groups and proclaiming their pride to the world that they are homosexuals.

I don't care that they're doing it, though I consider all celebrate me! parades silly (though I can understand the gay side of the coin more because, you know, muchos discrimination). And the reason they're doing it is a bit wanky.

Personally, I feckin' hate parades. Die, thanksgiving, die.

Not the same when a dominant group in the culture does it, and certainly not the same when that same dominant group legislates against the minority group, something that has been done to both groups.

The difference is the power to act on those words.

i will never understand what makes this concept so difficult to grasp.

Well the way things are going in America most of the babies poppin out of the womb these days end up gay so its not impossible that gays will be the majority. Although I did here on Mtv today that gayness in the media is no longer trendy and the ratings for Queer Eye for the Straight Guy are on the decline.

i will never understand what makes this concept so difficult to grasp.
So by your logic, its unfair that we have July 4th off and not March 19th? After all, its oppression when the majority celebrates being the majority.

This is what I don't like about gays, they always whine over everything. When somebody starts doing something that doesn't sit well with the gay rights agenda they start throwing their toys around the pram like a load of spoilt children. I love it when this sort of thing happens!

If they find something inherant in straight guys to celebrate, fine.
If they go on about straight culture, dandy.
If they're just trying to make gay people feel stupid and left out, then that's a problem.
I guess I could have a "Red haired people pride day" But since red haired people tend not to be discriminated against, it would be rather pointless.

I just wish gay people would get a sense of humor. They never laugh at my jokes.

So by your logic, its unfair that we have July 4th off and not March 19th? After all, its oppression when the majority celebrates being the majority.
Who's being exculded on July 4th? British tourists?

People who disagree with the constitution. Diverting the question, is by your definition any display for love of freedom, discriminating against those favoring autocracy.

You wanna talk about feeling left out. Take a stack of Bibles to a gay pride parade.

You wanna talk about feeling left out. Take a stack of Bibles to a gay pride parade.

Take a stack of bibles to any parade and you'd be shunned. No one likes fanatics.

Thats the gayest thing ive ever heard.

People who disagree with the constitution. Diverting the question, is by your definition any display for love of freedom, discriminating against those favoring autocracy.
Ooookay......

So, just to play along here-though this is more non-sequtor.....(assuming you're responding to me, though I'm not sure where you're getting the definition...)

More than a few people have thier say on the 4th of July and I don't have any problem with them doing that. Plenty of people who descent with what the 4th stands for or what nationalism have brought us come out on the 4th and have thier say, which is pretty consitant with what I've been saying.

But, and this is important, the 4th of July celebrates our independence and our dogma of inclusion and freedom, including speech. So it even covers those who are against it under it's umbrella, as freedom of speech is freedom to dissent. So, this little side road is another dead end.

"YEAH YEAH SEX WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX, YEAH YEAH"

These people are a bunch of faggots.

Hilarious.

Ooookay......

So, just to play along here-though this is more non-sequtor.....(assuming you're responding to me, though I'm not sure where you're getting the definition...)

More than a few people have thier say on the 4th of July and I don't have any problem with them doing that. Plenty of people who descent with what the 4th stands for or what nationalism have brought us come out on the 4th and have thier say, which is pretty consitant with what I've been saying.

But, and this is important, the 4th of July celebrates our independence and our dogma of inclusion and freedom, including speech. So it even covers those who are against it under it's umbrella, as freedom of speech is freedom to dissent. So, this little side road is another dead end.
No you didn't because you replied in Non-sequitor. I did not address those that feel the 4th of July is about nationalism. I adressed those that disagree with the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Do you feel that group is being opressed.

No you didn't because you replied in Non-sequitor. I did not address those that feel the 4th of July is about nationalism. I adressed those that disagree with the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Do you feel that group is being opressed.
Do you believe that a political idealogy is the same thing as a cultural group like GLBT or ethnic minorities?

The correlation is shaky, and therefore a non-sequitor.

No its not, if the logic that the majority acerting its majority by being proud is true, it should hold true for all things, not just sexuality. Thats called being arbitrary.

No its not, if the logic that the majority acerting its majority by being proud is true, it should hold true for all things, not just sexuality. Thats called being arbitrary.
Alright there, non-sequitor boy. Back it up and try again. What are you arguing here, exactly? What point are you trying to make, what are you trying to counter?

That you got a lot of groups to be going after if your going to say that the majority is not aloud to be proud to be such. To shun the majorities right to be proud would require a new scale of tyrranny, and until you're willing to go after majorities for the sake of being majorities on the whole, you're argument is based on arbitrary bullshit.

No offense but I would have to second that notion.

That you got a lot of groups to be going after if your going to say that the majority is not aloud to be proud to be such. To shun the majorities right to be proud would require a new scale of tyrranny, and until you're willing to go after majorities for the sake of being majorities on the whole, you're argument is based on arbitrary bullshit.
You've got a pretty shakey and sophmoric understanding of the issue at hand and are creating enough strawmen to keep the wizard busy for a while.

Political dissent is part of the freedom of speech and people who dissent politically are therefore not excluded on the 4th of July. Your example does not hold water. It does not correlate.

Second of all-you are still ranking dissent as demanding something be silenced. Again, this is a shakey and sophmoric understanding of freedom of speech.

Sorry, but you are having an argument against a construction of your own making.

But the MAJORITY IS CELEBRATING! that means the minority has to be oppressed. :rolleyes: Shouldn't you be running off to fight a crusade against it!

Are you suggesting that gay pride parades are not actually as advertised? That they are actually acts of political dissent rather than acts of celebrating being gay?

They should change the name of Gay Pride parades to the gay million man march.

Are you suggesting that gay pride parades are not actually as advertised? That they are actually acts of political dissent rather than acts of celebrating being gay?

in a country where being gay was illegal in many states until a year and a bit ago (and is still on very unstable political ground), celebrating being gay is the same thing as political dissent. and pride parades in general are held in remembrance of the stonewall riot. it's entirely political.

They should change the name of Gay Pride parades to the gay million man march.


You should use the quote button or name the person you're replying to. :p

Yeah and the American people voted against gay marriage overwhelmingly. Go on having parades but don't be surprised if people mock the fact that you are going out in public and yelling your sexual preference to the world.

Yeah and the American people voted against gay marriage overwhelmingly. Go on having parades but don't be surprised if people mock the fact that you are going out in public and yelling your sexual preference to the world.
do all the angry conservatives make puppet accoutns so they can pretend they have alot of supporters or do alot of the american bigots know how to use the internet

Now you resort to name calling when someone finds it funny that a group of people have to gather together and tell everyone their sexual preference.

Yeah and the American people voted against gay marriage overwhelmingly.

Civil rights issues are never resolved at the ballot box. That's where they're usually created.

I have no doubt that eventually gay marriage will be forced onto the American people. There are probably just too many activist judges for it not to happen.

in a country where being gay was illegal in many states until a year and a bit ago (and is still on very unstable political ground), celebrating being gay is the same thing as political dissent. and pride parades in general are held in remembrance of the stonewall riot. it's entirely political.

Its illegal in quite a few states to give or receive oral sex as well as anal sex. I don't recall any of these laws being in enforced in quite some time.

Hwn are they going to have the "Anti-Sex Pride parade"?

Hwn are they going to have the "Anti-Sex Pride parade"?Clicky (http://www.catholic.org/)

I have no doubt that eventually gay marriage will be forced onto the American people. There are probably just too many activist judges for it not to happen.

Uhh yeah those activists jusdges are gonna make you all marry someone with matching genitals.

Its illegal in quite a few states to give or receive oral sex as well as anal sex. I don't recall any of these laws being in enforced in quite some time.

the supreme court struck them down in 2003. they had the chance because some guys in texas were charged and fought it. and lo, did the conservatives freak right the hell out. check out scalia's dissenting opinoin on the case - you can practically see him foaming at the mouth over it. he goes off about bestiality and 'the homosexual agenda'. it'd be funny if he wasn't so goddamn powerful.

the supreme court struck them down in 2003. they had the chance because some guys in texas were charged and fought it. and lo, did the conservatives freak right the hell out. check out scalia's dissenting opinoin on the case - you can practically see him foaming at the mouth over it.

Who exactly is scalia?

Clicky (http://www.catholic.org/)
What the hell does the church have to do with it? Anyway, if gays and straights are allowed to celebrate their sexuality, why can't I celebrate my non-sexuality? I'm being discriminated against!

But the MAJORITY IS CELEBRATING! that means the minority has to be oppressed. :rolleyes: Shouldn't you be running off to fight a crusade against it!
Since, by design, it includes the whole of the country, including those who dissent, even by your imaginary construction (even some of the founding fathers who did not believe in the Bill of Rights are included in the celebrations, so...) then the only one who is not included in this national celebration are people who are not US citizens, which is actually a majority of the population. So...the celebration is actually a celebration of a minority group (Americans) in the population of the world.

But none of this speaks to what I had said, only the imagined argument you are trying to have.

This is just silly. Straight people have parades all the time - I can't go out my door without seeing straight pride.

It's obvious this parade is just out of spite. But, let them have it. It'll look just like the rest of society already does, glorifying heterosexuality.

Uhh yeah those activists jusdges are gonna make you all marry someone with matching genitals.


I personally don't care if you want to consider yourself married to someone with the same genital structure as yourself but have a little pride and quit yelling out your sexual preference to everyone. Believe it or not most of us don't care.

I personally don't care if you want to consider yourself married to someone with the same genital structure as yourself but have a little pride and quit yelling out your sexual preference to everyone.

Why should gay people do something straight people don't do? Straights yell out their sexual preference all the time. It's constant background noise.

Since, by design, it includes the whole of the country, including those who dissent, even by your imaginary construction (even some of the founding fathers who did not believe in the Bill of Rights are included in the celebrations, so...) then the only one who is not included in this national celebration are people who are not US citizens, which is actually a majority of the population. So...the celebration is actually a celebration of a minority group (Americans) in the population of the world.

But none of this speaks to what I had said, only the imagined argument you are trying to have.

Actually the logic he is using is trying to say that the majority are celebrating by have a straight-pride parade. That there is nothing oppressive or wrong about that celebration simply because it is the majority doing the celebrating.

Indeed why someone is proud of being gay or straight is a foolish thing. Be proud of your accomplishments not of which hole you stick it in.

What the hell does the church have to do with it? Anyway, if gays and straights are allowed to celebrate their sexuality, why can't I celebrate my non-sexuality? I'm being discriminated against!Lol, it was a joke. A good place to find people who share your view on sex. Why not email them and organize a parade!

Most of the people that are constantly selling their sexuality are also subject to mockery of some form although I will grant you that America is producing an alarming number of pre-pubescent frat boy types.

This is just silly. Straight people have parades all the time - I can't go out my door without seeing straight pride.

It's obvious this parade is just out of spite. But, let them have it. It'll look just like the rest of society already does, glorifying heterosexuality.
The rest of society glorifies it because it is normal. Straight pride is normal. I am sorry you don't possess it, but that is your choice.

The rest of society glorifies it because it is normal. Straight pride is normal. I am sorry you don't possess it, but that is your choice.What do you define as "straight pride"? What do straight people do that "glorifies" it?

I can think of a few examples, but it's mostly dickhead guys shooting their mouths off.

Would you include couples showing affection in public?

EDIT: My view is that it really doesn't matter what your sexual oreintation is. If everyone had this view, we wouldn't need "gay pride" or "straight pride," it'd just be one characteristic of someones personality.

Kinda like we don't have "Brunette pride" and "Redhead pride"

gay pride parade - "were gay, not straight"
straight pride parade - "were straight, not gay"

and someone only one of them isnt discrimination?

are you gay?

D'ya know why gay pride marches started?

It was the first chance in centuries for gay people to be themselves. It was also a chance to explode certain stereotypes by mocking them to the extreme - the leather-wearing fag with the lisp, for instance.

Tell me, exactly what point is this parade going to have? Apart from being a gimmick with an undertone of "haha, look at the fags"? Are you saying straight people are somehow being oppressed?

Oh hang on, I guess I must hate them evil heterosexual people because I saw through the paper-thin plot of the parade organisers! Ah well, guess I've been rumbled.

That said, it'll be interesting to see how the parade goes ahead.

Lol, it was a joke. A good place to find people who share your view on sex. Why not email them and organize a parade!
Nah, the Pope doesn't say sex is evil and worthless. It's just a "pleasure" they're supposed to give up, but they don't think of it like I do. I will start a parade, however.

What do you define as "straight pride"? What do straight people do that "glorifies" it?

I can think of a few examples, but it's mostly dickhead guys shooting their mouths off.

Would you include couples showing affection in public?

EDIT: My view is that it really doesn't matter what your sexual oreintation is. If everyone had this view, we wouldn't need "gay pride" or "straight pride," it'd just be one characteristic of someones personality.

Kinda like we don't have "Brunette pride" and "Redhead pride"
Actually I mostly agree with you. I was trying, with a little tooo much satire, to point out how ludicrous Fass's statement was.

Most of the people that are constantly selling their sexuality are also subject to mockery of some form although I will grant you that America is producing an alarming number of pre-pubescent frat boy types.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the pervasiveness of the heterosexual norm. Turn on your TV. How many of the characters are straight? How many of them express their heterosexuality? Go outside. Take a look around.

The reason gay people stand out when they act like straight people - ie are not ashamed of who they are and proclaim their sexuality as forcefully - is because they are gay. Straight people are so used to everything in society being about them, that when something isn't, it is immedatelly spotted and percieved as so much louder than it really is.

And this is why this parade is so silly; it'll be no different than every other day of the week. It isn't needed - it's just a homophobically tinted reaction to something that bothers them; the absence of heterosexuality in gay parades.

These people are a bunch of faggots.This is the line of the thread! :D

The rest of society glorifies it because it is normal. Straight pride is normal. I am sorry you don't possess it, but that is your choice.

Don't be sorry, I'm not in the least. I'm just saying straight people flaunt themselves all the time. Apparantly they are so insecure that they have to encroach on yet another way of doing it.

I personally don't care if you want to consider yourself married to someone with the same genital structure as yourself but have a little pride and quit yelling out your sexual preference to everyone. Believe it or not most of us don't care.

I don't recall announcing my sexual preference and you are barking more than anyone here. I'm just here for the amusement. :D

I don't know anytime a group of people get together and have to proclaim their sexuality to somebody else that is not of their same group just strikes me as amusing wether it is gays or heterosexuals. If the Gay Pride Parades were really just about gay people getting together and enjoying each others company I could understand it. It's the whole we have to get together and let the whole world know we are gay and we are proud of it that I don't understand. I think that is the aspect that makes Gay Pride Parades the subject of mockery. I guess I just don't understand the political aspect of it.

I don't recall announcing my sexual preference and you are barking more than anyone here. I'm just here for the amusement. :D


I apologize. I thought you were implying you wanted to marry someone with the same genitals as yourself.

I don't know anytime a group of people get together and have to proclaim their sexuality to somebody else that is not of their same group just strikes me as amusing wether it is gays or heterosexuals. If the Gay Pride Parades were really just about gay people getting together and enjoying each others company I could understand it. It's the whole we have to get together and let the whole world know we are gay and we are proud of it that I don't understand. I think that is the aspect that makes Gay Pride Parades the subject of mockery. I guess I just don't understand the political aspect of it.

yeah, i don't get it either. and why don't those colored folk sit at the back of the bus like they're supposed to? they're always getting together and having parades to proclaim that they are fully human. that's all fine and dandy, but why must they be so public about it? why don't they just politely stay out of my white heterosexual male world and stick to their own drinking fountains?

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I don't know anytime a group of people get together and have to proclaim their sexuality to somebody else that is not of their same group just strikes me as amusing wether it is gays or heterosexuals.

That's the whole point. Straight people just assume everyone else is straight.

If the Gay Pride Parades were really just about gay people getting together and enjoying each others company I could understand it. It's the whole we have to get together and let the whole world know we are gay and we are proud of it that I don't understand. I think that is the aspect that makes Gay Pride Parades the subject of mockery. I guess I just don't understand the political aspect of it.

I think it's much about the fact that straights never have to proclaim they're heterosexual, since it is assumed that everyone is.

Don't be sorry, I'm not in the least. I'm just saying straight people flaunt themselves all the time. Apparantly they are so insecure that they have to encroach on yet another way of doing it.

I don't see how behaving normally is flaunting it. Walking down the street isn't flaunting it. A guy and a girl kissing on TV isn't flaunting anything. The only "flaunting" that is done is in strip bars :p

A Gay Pride Parade is flaunting. Two gays walking hand in hand isn't flaunting, nor is two gays kissing. But a parade? Thats flaunting. The normal general idea behind Straight Pride Parade is to show how stupid it is to have a Straight or Gay Pride Parade.

I don't see how behaving normally is flaunting it. Walking down the street isn't flaunting it. A guy and a girl kissing on TV isn't flaunting anything. The only "flaunting" that is done is in strip bars :p

A Gay Pride Parade is flaunting. Two gays walking hand in hand isn't flaunting, nor is two gays kissing. But a parade? Thats flaunting. The normal general idea behind Straight Pride Parade is to show how stupid it is to have a Straight or Gay Pride Parade.But they're so fun!

I don't see how behaving normally is flaunting it. Walking down the street isn't flaunting it. A guy and a girl kissing on TV isn't flaunting anything. The only "flaunting" that is done is in strip bars :p

Normalcy for heterosexuals is flaunting their heterosexuality. It just doesn't seem so obvious to you because it happens all the time.

A Gay Pride Parade is flaunting.

Of course it is; that's the whole point. For those hours the parade lasts heterosexuals get to see how it is when someone elses sexuality is thrust upon them and a lot of them don't like it.

Two gays walking hand in hand isn't flaunting, nor is two gays kissing. But a parade? Thats flaunting. The normal general idea behind Straight Pride Parade is to show how stupid it is to have a Straight or Gay Pride Parade.

No, the idea behind it is the complete absense of understanding of the heteronormativity and heterosexism of society. Or, it could just be complete understanding of it and just wanting it that way.

Normalcy for heterosexuals is flaunting their heterosexuality. It just doesn't seem so obvious to you because it happens all the time.

Nein, walking down the street and doing heterosexual things that aren't vulgar isn't flaunting it. Likewise walking down the street and doing homosexual things that aren't vulgar isn't flaunting it.

Of course it is; that's the whole point. For those hours the parade lasts heterosexuals get to see how it is when someone elses sexuality is thrust upon them and a lot of them don't like it.

No one is thrusting heterosexuality on anyone.

No, the ideas behind it the complete absense of understanding the heteronormativity and heterosexism of society. Or, it could just be complete understanding of it and just wanting it that way.

Nein, being someone who actually has participated in the formation of one of these strait pride weeks I think I might know the reasons why the group I participated in did it.

Yes, because straight people are the most discriminated-against group in all of history. How about just a "Homophobia Pride Week"?

Actually the logic he is using is trying to say that the majority are celebrating by have a straight-pride parade. That there is nothing oppressive or wrong about that celebration simply because it is the majority doing the celebrating.

Indeed why someone is proud of being gay or straight is a foolish thing. Be proud of your accomplishments not of which hole you stick it in.
Gay pride is in contrast to being ashamed of or forced to hide your homosexuality. Doesn't transfer the other way.

Nein, walking down the street and doing heterosexual things that aren't vulgar isn't flaunting it. Likewise walking down the street and doing homosexual things that aren't vulgar isn't flaunting it.

Oh, really. I'll tell you what. Walk down the street with a same sexed friend of yours and act like heterosexuals do every day. Try replacing all the heterosexual imagery you see around you with homosexual imagery. We'll see how far you'll come before you're accused of flaunting.

No one is thrusting heterosexuality on anyone.

Now that is just a horribly ignorant and untrue thing to write.

Nein, being someone who actually has participated in the formation of one of these strait pride weeks I think I might know the reasons why the group I participated in did it.

You already said it: spite. To show the others how silly you think they are. And that's why the "straight" parades are just another way of thrusting heterosexuality on others.

The normal general idea behind Straight Pride Parade is to show how stupid it is to have a Straight or Gay Pride Parade.
No, it's because the black gay liberals are taking over and we need to protect moral values and...

Yes, because straight people are the most discriminated-against group in all of history. How about just a "Homophobia Pride Week"?

I don't think you understand. You say gay is equivalent to heterosexuality, which is normal. Gay is not. Gay IS equivalent to bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia. Do those items produce offspring? No.

God Bless Antonin Scalia. And God Bless George Bush.

I don't think you understand. You say gay is equivalent to heterosexuality, which is normal. Gay is not. Gay IS equivalent to bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia. Do those items produce offspring? No.

God Bless Antonin Scalia. And God Bless George Bush.
Bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia do not involve consent. Gay sex does, they are not the same. You lose.

yeah, i don't get it either. and why don't those colored folk sit at the back of the bus like they're supposed to? they're always getting together and having parades to proclaim that they are fully human. that's all fine and dandy, but why must they be so public about it? why don't they just politely stay out of my white heterosexual male world and stick to their own drinking fountains?

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Man you should try being a white person in this world if you think it is easy. Everyone at college assumed because I was white I was given everything and I never had to work for anything and I washed dishes to help pay for college. I met many people there that hated me just because I was white. Instead of joining a parade to further my political ambitions and proclaiming myself to be oppressed. I just decided those aren't the kind of people I want to be around so I avoid them as much as possible. Noone can stop you from being human and just because people generally think marriage is between a man and a woman doesn't mean they are out to get you.

Bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia do not involve consent. Gay sex does, they are not the same. You lose.

They are equal on the count that none of them continue the human species.

Oh, really. I'll tell you what. Walk down the street with a same sexed friend of yours and act like heterosexuals do every day. Try replacing all the heterosexual imagery you see around you with homosexual imagery. We'll see how far you'll come before you're accused of flaunting.

What you mean *cough* advertising? Advertising that is directed at straight males to buy stuff? Whats that got to do with flaunting heterosexulaity?

Now that is just a horribly ignorant and untrue thing to write.

Please do explain to me, with specific detials, how heterosexuality is being thrusted on anyone.

You already said it: spite. To show the others how silly you think they are. And that's why the "straight" parades are just another way of thrusting heterosexuality on others.

You can't seem to seperate whose doing something from the act itself. In fact it'd be better if it was a bunch of gays getting together and doing a straight pride week. It has *NOTHING* to do with thrusting heterosexuality on anyone. It has to do with pointing out the foolishness of a parade about who you fuck.

I don't think you understand. You say gay is equivalent to heterosexuality, which is normal. Gay is not. Gay IS equivalent to bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia. Do those items produce offspring? No.

God Bless Antonin Scalia. And God Bless George Bush.

You're a dumba--

They are equal on the count that none of them continue the human species.
Neither does oral/anal sex between heterosexuals and no one is rushing to stop that.

They are equal on the count that none of them continue the human species.
lots of things dont continue the human species. If your morality is based on fucking women...you've got issues to work out.

I don't think you understand. You say gay is equivalent to heterosexuality, which is normal. Gay is not. Who made you decide? Homosexuality is as old human sexuality in general. Just because some half-wits three thousand years ago said homosexuals should be stoned doesn't mean anything is more "normal".
God Bless Antonin Scalia. And God Bless George Bush.
For using the Bible to serve as the basis for constitutional law? NO. Shame on them for trying to write discrimination into the constitution. And last I saw, there were some pretty "lefty" ideas in the Bible. What ever happened to helping the poor? Or is that not "normal".

Neither does oral/anal sex between heterosexuals and no one is rushing to stop that.
I'll bet HE is. Part of getting big government off our backs means letting them into the bedroom of consenting adults. Or so I'm told by certain individuals.

In Laymen's term, I think Chenia needs to get laid.

:headbang:

Obviously, they don't understand why minority groups need to create and celebrate a sense of self. It's not about if you get to throw a parade or not.

If there was even remotely a place for this it would certainly not be in Oklahoma... Maybe in a gay neighborhood of San Fran, or Boystown in Chicago or Chelsea in NYC for the few straight people who actually live there... but Oklahoma?!

Come on people (the ones in the article). Why don't you give straight people a good name for once and not be ignorant about why other people who don't live like you do things the way they do (like put on parades).... or, right, that would entail talking to them!

-straight girl basically living in a gay neighborhood

:headbang:

Obviously, they don't understand why minority groups need to create and celebrate a sense of self. It's not about if you get to throw a parade or not.

And you need to throw a parade to do that? I've got several "selfs" Californian, German Descendent, White, American, Male, Middle Class, Car Guy, College Student, Real Estate Person etc... etc... I don't partcipate in any parades to help my sense of self in any of those.

If there was even remotely a place for this it would certainly not be in Oklahoma... Maybe in a gay neighborhood of San Fran, or Boystown in Chicago or Chelsea in NYC for the few straight people who actually live there... but Oklahoma?!

Why would a straight pride parade occur in a gay neighborhood? Nevermind that they hold straight pride weeks and parade in all sorts of places...

Come on people (the ones in the article). Why don't you give straight people a good name for once and not be ignorant about why other people who don't live like you do things the way they do (like put on parades).... or, right, that would entail talking to them!

What they put on parades to develope a sense of self? Are you suggesting all gay people can't have any sense of self without getting together and holding parades to shout out "I'm Gay and Proud."? Sounds like you don't have much respect for them as indaviduals...

And you need to throw a parade to do that? I've got several "selfs" Californian, German Descendent, White, American, Male, Middle Class, Car Guy, College Student, Real Estate Person etc... etc... I don't partcipate in any parades to help my sense of self in any of those.



Why would a straight pride parade occur in a gay neighborhood? Nevermind that they hold straight pride weeks and parade in all sorts of places...



What they put on parades to develope a sense of self? Are you suggesting all gay people can't have any sense of self without getting together and holding parades to shout out "I'm Gay and Proud."? Sounds like you don't have much respect for them as indaviduals...


The reason is you are part of the majority and as a member of the majority you are never oppressed or discriminated against or done any harm to in any way. Your life is all peaches and cream at the expense of everyone else. Being that you are never oppressed or discriminated against by anyone you are not entitled to throw the same kind of parades that the minority groups of society get to throw.

The reason is you are part of the majority and as a member of the majority you are never oppressed or discriminated against or done any harm to in any way. Your life is all peaches and cream at the expense of everyone else. Being that you are never oppressed or discriminated against by anyone you are not entitled to throw the same kind of parades that the minority groups of society get to throw.
Really? In California there are very restricting laws regarding what can and can't be done to old cars even though they ignore that most modifications improve their environmental friendly factor compared to stock. Likewise being of German descent I am actually a minority because I certainly identify more with "German" than with the umbrella term of "white."

Likewise my life is certainly not all "peaches and cream" and It is quite easy for someone to discriminate against me seeing as there is a certain “law” *cough* Affirmative Action *cough* that makes it legal to do so.

Oh and of course there is that I’m right of center compared to California and while I’m smart enough to not put a Bush sticker on my car 4 out of 6 people that I know who did had their cars keyed and indeed admitting to being a right wing in college is immediate grounds to discriminate against you. Never mind I had to argue an essay all the way to an informal hearing with the dean to get the damn teacher to not discriminate. Yep, no discrimination here.

But then again your reply had nothing to do with what I said in my post anyway.

The reason is you are part of the majority and as a member of the majority you are never oppressed or discriminated against or done any harm to in any way. Your life is all peaches and cream at the expense of everyone else. Being that you are never oppressed or discriminated against by anyone you are not entitled to throw the same kind of parades that the minority groups of society get to throw.

I agree with what you are saying, but isn't that discriminating against the majority. Just because they are the majority they can't parade.

I hope ppl don't take them seriously.

Sounds like you don't have much respect for them as indaviduals...

I respect that some people who are gay need validation from a group of like-minded people or people that choose to love and/or live the way they do. I certainly don't think that the only way a gay person can be proud and/or OK with their sexuality is by being in a parade.

I respect the ways gay people love each other, regardless the amount of stereotypical "Parade-Pride" displays of their sexuality.

And I totally agree with the first person that responded to you. Certainly non of your identities have ever endangered your personal safety or caused you to possibly lose people you love. It ain't the same thing.

I wish I could beam you to Chelsea in NYC and show you what a truely OUT gay neighborhood looks like, it's not about parades or people "not minding" if someone likes the same sex.

I respect that some people who are gay need validation from a group of like-minded people or people that choose to love and/or live the way they do. I certainly don't think that the only way a gay person can be proud and/or OK with their sexuality is by being in a parade.

Uh huh thats great. But I suppose they're so fragile they can't take a group of people who think its foolish setting up something to give voice to their viewpoint? Seeing as thats the idea being these straight pride weeks and parades and people are discussing of doing it.

I respect the ways gay people love each other, regardless the amount of stereotypical "Parade-Pride" displays of their sexuality.

And I totally agree with the first person that responded to you. Certainly non of your identities have ever endangered your personal safety or caused you to possibly lose people you love. It ain't the same thing.

Check up there where it endangered my ability to recieve an honest and fair grade in a simple english class where recieving an overall D instead of an A requires retaking and greatly tarnishes my ability to get a job and attend graduate school.

Really? In California there are very restricting laws regarding what can and can't be done to old cars even though they ignore that most modifications improve their environmental friendly factor compared to stock. Likewise being of German descent I am actually a minority because I certainly identify more with "German" than with the umbrella term of "white."

Likewise my life is certainly not all "peaches and cream" and It is quite easy for someone to discriminate against me seeing as there is a certain “law” *cough* Affirmative Action *cough* that makes it legal to do so.

Oh and of course there is that I’m right of center compared to California and while I’m smart enough to not put a Bush sticker on my car 4 out of 6 people that I know who did had their cars keyed and indeed admitting to being a right wing in college is immediate grounds to discriminate against you. Never mind I had to argue an essay all the way to an informal hearing with the dean to get the damn teacher to not discriminate. Yep, no discrimination here.

But then again your reply had nothing to do with what I said in my post anyway.


Either I am missing the fact that you are being sarcastic or you missed the fact that I was being sarcastic because I was just joking around in my previous post. I am part of the majority W.A.S.P.'s and I have been discriminated against in many ways. I have even have had gay people discriminate against me for being heterosexual.

Either I am missing the fact that you are being sarcastic or you missed the fact that I was being sarcastic because I was just joking around in my previous post. I am part of the majority W.A.S.P.'s and I have been discriminated against in many ways. I have even have had gay people discriminate against me for being heterosexual.

That I did actually... but then again Out on a Limb and Planners thought you were serious as well.

Really? In California there are very restricting laws regarding what can and can't be done to old cars even though they ignore that most modifications improve their environmental friendly factor compared to stock. Likewise being of German descent I am actually a minority because I certainly identify more with "German" than with the umbrella term of "white."

Likewise my life is certainly not all "peaches and cream" and It is quite easy for someone to discriminate against me seeing as there is a certain “law” *cough* Affirmative Action *cough* that makes it legal to do so.

Oh and of course there is that I’m right of center compared to California and while I’m smart enough to not put a Bush sticker on my car 4 out of 6 people that I know who did had their cars keyed and indeed admitting to being a right wing in college is immediate grounds to discriminate against you. Never mind I had to argue an essay all the way to an informal hearing with the dean to get the damn teacher to not discriminate. Yep, no discrimination here.

But then again your reply had nothing to do with what I said in my post anyway.

When was the last time being German made someone not talk to you or not give you the time of day in the least?

Wow, you must be really materialistic if you think someone keying your car is a violation of your personal safety.

If not being able to put a Bush sticker on your car in liberal CA bothers you that much you should start a parade of peope with Bush stickers, etc.

As for a affirmative action, you haven't come close to what many people have had to deal with to be listened to or hired. Being historically priviledged does not give you more rights or less reponsibilites.

They are equal on the count that none of them continue the human species.

Neither does post-menopausal sex, sex using contraceptives, sex while pregnant, oral sex or sex during most of the month. Women are only fertile a few days a month. Should we outlaw them, or consider them all perversions?

I have no problem letting the dim-wits have their parade. I'd just like to have film, so I don't accidently associate with any of them. My biggest problem is-AARGHH! I went to UCO. I may have to peel the sticker off my car.

Fuck, that'll be a fun parade. Bunch of fat ugly men walking around asking there wives for beer.

Really? In California there are very restricting laws regarding what can and can't be done to old cars even though they ignore that most modifications improve their environmental friendly factor compared to stock. Likewise being of German descent I am actually a minority because I certainly identify more with "German" than with the umbrella term of "white."

Likewise my life is certainly not all "peaches and cream" and It is quite easy for someone to discriminate against me seeing as there is a certain “law” *cough* Affirmative Action *cough* that makes it legal to do so.

Oh and of course there is that I’m right of center compared to California and while I’m smart enough to not put a Bush sticker on my car 4 out of 6 people that I know who did had their cars keyed and indeed admitting to being a right wing in college is immediate grounds to discriminate against you. Never mind I had to argue an essay all the way to an informal hearing with the dean to get the damn teacher to not discriminate. Yep, no discrimination here.

But then again your reply had nothing to do with what I said in my post anyway.


Poor baby. :rolleyes:

Really? In California there are very restricting laws regarding what can and can't be done to old cars even though they ignore that most modifications improve their environmental friendly factor compared to stock. Likewise being of German descent I am actually a minority because I certainly identify more with "German" than with the umbrella term of "white."

Likewise my life is certainly not all "peaches and cream" and It is quite easy for someone to discriminate against me seeing as there is a certain “law” *cough* Affirmative Action *cough* that makes it legal to do so.

Oh and of course there is that I’m right of center compared to California and while I’m smart enough to not put a Bush sticker on my car 4 out of 6 people that I know who did had their cars keyed and indeed admitting to being a right wing in college is immediate grounds to discriminate against you. Never mind I had to argue an essay all the way to an informal hearing with the dean to get the damn teacher to not discriminate. Yep, no discrimination here.

But then again your reply had nothing to do with what I said in my post anyway.
Maybe you're just not a good student. Because I, too, am in California and know that Affirmative Action was voted out over five years ago. I also know that all cars manufactured before 1975 do not have to have smog checks to be registered, though I'm not sure what car restrictions have to do with anything.

So-and I'm just guessing based on how much you got wrong about the state you live in-you may just be a bad student.

But I'm sure you'll respond with a litany of reasons you are, grades recieved and praise lumped on by your teachers, etc. ah well...

Isn't every parade celebrating war a straight parade?

Trips me out that people took me serious and even agreed with what I said. I thought I was being so blatantly ridiculous that it would be easy to see.

Check up there where it endangered my ability to recieve an honest and fair grade in a simple english class where recieving an overall D instead of an A requires retaking and greatly tarnishes my ability to get a job and attend graduate school.

Well you weren't that specific in your first post. Some people are bigots the other way, that's no excuse either. If you think you should have gotten the A, the job or into the school instead because you are white-ish (being German and all), then I think you have a totally bogus arguement.. But you seem like fairly intelligent person so I'm sure your argeument was based on more than the color of your skin.

Well, congrats on winning your arguement to re-take the test! Good luck with getting a job and grad school. If you fought that hard to have the opportunity I'm sure you won't waste it.

*(last 3 sentences = totally sincere and not at all sarcastic)

I don't think you understand. You say gay is equivalent to heterosexuality, which is normal. Gay is not. Gay IS equivalent to bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia. Do those items produce offspring? No.

God Bless Antonin Scalia. And God Bless George Bush.

Indeed? So if not reproducing is the judgement for where something is equal to your list, tell me, are the following also equal to necrophilia, bestiality, and homosexual sex? (I'll return to pedophilia in a moment)

Heterosexual anal sex?
Heterosexual oral sex?
Sex between infertile partners?
Sex with birth control?
Post-menopausal sex?

Now, if reproduction is what makes heterosexual sex superior, are the following acceptable?

Incest which produces children?
Pedophilia that produces chilren, as it can at times?
Rape that produces offspring?
Affairs that produce offspring?

I wanted to run this by you because if offspring potential is the only measure of whether sexual activity is "good" you legitimize things I am guessing you would object to while condemning some things I would be willing to bet you have no problem with.

Maybe you're just not a good student. Because I, too, am in California and know that Affirmative Action was voted out over five years ago. I also know that all cars manufactured before 1975 do not have to have smog checks to be registered, though I'm not sure what car restrictions have to do with anything. So-and I'm just guessing based on how much you got wrong about the state you live in-you may just be a bad student. But I'm sure you'll respond with a litany of reasons you are, grades recieved and praise lumped on by your teachers, etc. ah well...

I was hoping for some California clarification on those assertions.

I haven't lived there in 14 years and I couldn't vote then, so I've lost track signfigantly.

I would also seriously like to hear the answers to Xhadam's questions.

Indeed. The LGBT group is being overly sensitive - they should let the Republicans look like tools if they feel so moved.
Ignoring also the fact that when they do it they look like tools as well, of course :rolleyes:

I was hoping for some California clarification on those assertions.

So as not to totally believe the person that would back my perspective up... Can either of you cite your sources?

the supreme court struck them down in 2003. they had the chance because some guys in texas were charged and fought it. and lo, did the conservatives freak right the hell out. check out scalia's dissenting opinoin on the case - you can practically see him foaming at the mouth over it. he goes off about bestiality and 'the homosexual agenda'. it'd be funny if he wasn't so goddamn powerful.
Hey now, Scalia's only as funny as Al Gore. Actually, he's less funny than Gore because Gore looks pretty fucking funny when he has a full beard.

D'ya know why gay pride marches started?

It was the first chance in centuries for gay people to be themselves. It was also a chance to explode certain stereotypes by mocking them to the extreme - the leather-wearing fag with the lisp, for instance.

Tell me, exactly what point is this parade going to have? Apart from being a gimmick with an undertone of "haha, look at the fags"? Are you saying straight people are somehow being oppressed?

Oh hang on, I guess I must hate them evil heterosexual people because I saw through the paper-thin plot of the parade organisers! Ah well, guess I've been rumbled.

That said, it'll be interesting to see how the parade goes ahead.
There's a Monty Python skit in that somewhere. :D

There's a Monty Python skit in that somewhere. :D

Yes there is! :)

Either we are going to get very long responses... or they have given up...

So as not to totally believe the person that would back my perspective up... Can either of you cite your sources?
Who has to smog (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm#BM2535)
They just changed some laws, so it's a good thing I had to look that up. I'm registering my '67 VW Bus tommorrow....

AA article from 1997 (http://www.statenews.com/editionsfall97/110497/p1_action.html)

I think it's much about the fact that straights never have to proclaim they're heterosexual, since it is assumed that everyone is.
No it's not. I know someone who has been mistaken for being gay on at least two separate occasions. It didn't help his self esteem much. It especially didn't help when the rest of us started laughing the first time when he vehemently denied it.

Who has to smog (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm#BM2535)
They just changed some laws, so it's a good thing I had to look that up. I'm registering my '67 VW Bus tommorrow....

AA article from 1997 (http://www.statenews.com/editionsfall97/110497/p1_action.html)

...so as long as all of that Affirmative Action business happened pre-1997 he could be right... but it doesn't sound like it.

Bravo, you good student you! :) Good luck with the car registration!

When was the last time being German made someone not talk to you or not give you the time of day in the least?

Wow, you must be really materialistic if you think someone keying your car is a violation of your personal safety.

If not being able to put a Bush sticker on your car in liberal CA bothers you that much you should start a parade of peope with Bush stickers, etc.

I don't see how any of the things people have complained about, having heterosexuality "thrusted" on you is a violation of personal saftey.

As for a affirmative action, you haven't come close to what many people have had to deal with to be listened to or hired. Being historically priviledged does not give you more rights or less reponsibilites.

Right... because there were no poor white people and white people don't make up the majority of the poor today...

Maybe you're just not a good student. Because I, too, am in California and know that Affirmative Action was voted out over five years ago. I also know that all cars manufactured before 1975 do not have to have smog checks to be registered, though I'm not sure what car restrictions have to do with anything.

If its been voted out, great. However seeing as it was by congress and not by California, California hasn't voted it out. There have been changes that I'm aware of, but its certainly not gone.

Likewise old cars doesn't simply include pre-1975 cars. Seeing as almost ALL Porsche 930s are 1976+. These cars benefit greatly from newer turbos/exhausts and various other pieces. But these modifications can be illegal on occasion because original smog equipment is replaced.

So-and I'm just guessing based on how much you got wrong about the state you live in-you may just be a bad student.

Uh right.....

But I'm sure you'll respond with a litany of reasons you are, grades recieved and praise lumped on by your teachers, etc. ah well...

I've got no reason to bring up a litany of reasons because the teacher was reprimanded for being biased.

Well you weren't that specific in your first post. Some people are bigots the other way, that's no excuse either. If you think you should have gotten the A, the job or into the school instead because you are white-ish (being German and all), then I think you have a totally bogus arguement.. But you seem like fairly intelligent person so I'm sure your argeument was based on more than the color of your skin.

Well, congrats on winning your arguement to re-take the test! Good luck with getting a job and grad school. If you fought that hard to have the opportunity I'm sure you won't waste it.

*(last 3 sentences = totally sincere and not at all sarcastic)

It was based more on me getting the written opinions and grades from two other English professors and have those opinions and grades compared with the grade my professor gave me.

...so as long as all of that Affirmative Action business happened pre-1997 he could be right... but it doesn't sound like it.

Bravo, you good student you! :) Good luck with the car registration!
Thanks, as long as they don't ask about the brakes, I'm gravy.

Interesting snapshot of California? Same ballot where the voters did away with Affirmative Action they legalized Medical Marijuana. Go figure.

I don't see how any of the things people have complained about, having heterosexuality "thrusted" on you is a violation of personal saftey.



Right... because there were no poor white people and white people don't make up the majority of the poor today...



If its been voted out, great. However seeing as it was by congress and not by California, California hasn't voted it out. There have been changes that I'm aware of, but its certainly not gone.

Likewise old cars doesn't simply include pre-1975 cars. Seeing as almost ALL Porsche 930s are 1976+. These cars benefit greatly from newer turbos/exhausts and various other pieces. But these modifications can be illegal on occasion because original smog equipment is replaced.



Uh right.....



I've got no reason to bring up a litany of reasons because the teacher was reprimanded for being biased.



It was based more on me getting the written opinions and grades from two other English professors and have those opinions and grades compared with the grade my professor gave me.
Hmm. Seems like the institution backed you up. What the hell are you bitching about?

Having also had a Porsche, I know that all you need to do when updating the car is go to the referee and get a waiver.

And I still don't understand what the hell car registration has to do with anything.

Hmm. Seems like the institution backed you up. What the hell are you bitching about?

Having also had a Porsche, I know that all you need to do when updating the car is go to the referee and get a waiver.

And I still don't understand what the hell car registration has to do with anything.

You can get waivers on *some* things, doesn't mean they can't fail you on the visual inspection.

You can get waivers on *some* things, doesn't mean they can't fail you on the visual inspection.
Gosh, you're right. It's hard to modify an early model 930. I guess straight guys should have a parade.

Hmm. Seems like the institution backed you up. What the hell are you bitching about?

Having also had a Porsche, I know that all you need to do when updating the car is go to the referee and get a waiver.

And I still don't understand what the hell car registration has to do with anything.

The institution backed me up after quite some time. Currently the institutions are backing gays up on virtually everything, so much so that institutions illegaly gave out gay marriage certificates remember? They're bitching quite a bit...

You can get waivers on *some* things, doesn't mean they can't fail you on the visual inspection. It doesn't have to do with anything. I'm just bothering to bring up something that is discriminatory.

Who has to smog (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/smogfaq.htm#BM2535)
They just changed some laws, so it's a good thing I had to look that up. I'm registering my '67 VW Bus tommorrow....

AA article from 1997 (http://www.statenews.com/editionsfall97/110497/p1_action.html)

Why thanks for the info on AA.

-note: The forum is giving me some strange error messages resulting in some off-timed posts.

The institution backed me up after quite some time. Currently the institutions are backing gays up on virtually everything, so much so that institutions illegaly gave out gay marriage certificates remember? They're bitching quite a bit...

You can get waivers on *some* things, doesn't mean they can't fail you on the visual inspection. It doesn't have to do with anything. I'm just bothering to bring up something that is discriminatory.
Since those where overturned, the institution didn't really back them up, now did it?

California is riddled with cars. We also have a city so choked with cars that sometimes there are alerts that the air is not safe to breath. Under those circumstances it seems perfectly reasonable that the smog requirements might be a little tighter in California. This has nothing to do with anything.

This kind of crap is ridiculous. Ones sexuality should be private, its not a part of public domain. Its nobodyelse's business, keep it to your godd-mn selves. Gay pride parades are stupid and so is this.

Since those where overturned, the institution didn't really back them up, now did it?

California is riddled with cars. We also have a city so choked with cars that sometimes there are alerts that the air is not safe to breath. Under those circumstances it seems perfectly reasonable that the smog requirements might be a little tighter in California. This has nothing to do with anything.

Never mind that those "safe air" limits keep on getting dropped lower and lower because if they're not the agency would have no reason to exist... But you're right it has nothing to do with anything regarding this thread. But somehow no one has managed to reply to the request of explaining to me in detail how exactly heterosexuality is flaunted on a daily basis.

-side note- I hate this buggy (as in computer bugs) forum

Never mind that those "safe air" limits keep on getting dropped lower and lower because if they're not the agency would have no reason to exist... But you're right it has nothing to do with anything regarding this thread. But somehow no one has managed to reply to the request of explaining to me in detail how exactly heterosexuality is flaunted on a daily basis.

-side note- I hate this buggy (as in computer bugs) forum
They've gotten tighter (SMOG II) but have allowed older cars through, so it's a slide.

but anyway

Heterosexuality is the assumed norm. At least half of our commerce is driven by it. Magazines, movies, tv, on and on. Even that car you keep talking about...sold on premise of heterosexual relationships (you don't see Miata's advertised as a great car for gay guys to pick up other gay guys....)

The parade does not challenge anything that is not out of the norm. Heterosexuality is the default norm so the parade could equally celebrate Tuesday.

The GLBT pride parades are about not being ashamed of not being part of that assumed norm. Now, if you can find me an institutioanlized instance where heterosexuals felt that they had to feel ashamed or deny thier sexuality, maybe...but otherwise I have to maintain that this parade is ill-concieved, the sort of thing that passes for clever amongst the "Gallahger crowd" that still thinks the driveway/parkway thing doesn't make sense.

Heterosexuality is the assumed norm. At least half of our commerce is driven by it. Magazines, movies, tv, on and on. Even that car you keep talking about...sold on premise of heterosexual relationships (you don't see Miata's advertised as a great car for gay guys to pick up other gay guys....)

I'm interested in 930s and Miatas actually, and my reasons have nothing to do with women, especially since women like Miatas more than 930s lol.

That aside, simply because something is the assumed norm does not mean it is thrusted upon you. Advertisers target heterosexuals because it makes financial sense, not because they're thrusting heterosexuality on gays.

The parade does not challenge anything that is not out of the norm. Heterosexuality is the default norm so the parade could equally celebrate Tuesday.

The GLBT pride parades are about not being ashamed of not being part of that assumed norm. Now, if you can find me an institutioanlized instance where heterosexuals felt that they had to feel ashamed or deny thier sexuality, maybe...but otherwise I have to maintain that this parade is ill-concieved, the sort of thing that passes for clever amongst the "Gallahger crowd" that still thinks the driveway/parkway thing doesn't make sense.

On college campuses anyway a Straight Pride Parade does challenge the accepted norm seeing as it is a conservative idea in an area where liberalism is the norm and indeed being Gay is almost an instant ticket to being accepted by the majority at most college campuses. I'm not even concerned with the parade right now, I just want some specific examples of society at large (not certain religious extremists) running around thrusting heterosexuality on gays.

This is awesome. And the girl in the news post who was against it made no sense at all. Anyhow, I think the parade will be very festive. Imagine it - posters being held up of naked women and soft/hard core pornography. Free beer for hot women. And ..gosh...if I wasn't a christian I would book a ticket and join them.

I'm interested in 930s and Miatas actually, and my reasons have nothing to do with women, especially since women like Miatas more than 930s lol.
Cars being another subject...

That aside, simply because something is the assumed norm does not mean it is thrusted upon you. Advertisers target heterosexuals because it makes financial sense, not because they're thrusting heterosexuality on gays.
When the culture overwhelmingly is catering to one group, the left out group can feel a little thrust upon. You only have to deal with homosexual 'thrusting' for the occasional parade and you can't handle just that. Imagine if you where on the other end.



On college campuses anyway a Straight Pride Parade does challenge the accepted norm seeing as it is a conservative idea in an area where liberalism is the norm and indeed being Gay is almost an instant ticket to being accepted by the majority at most college campuses. I'm not even concerned with the parade right now, I just want some specific examples of society at large (not certain religious extremists) running around thrusting heterosexuality on gays.
Are you upset that in college the gay kids are cooler than you?

This kind of crap is ridiculous. Ones sexuality should be private, its not a part of public domain. Its nobodyelse's business, keep it to your godd-mn selves. Gay pride parades are stupid and so is this.
I think that's the end point they're trying to make.

When the culture overwhelmingly is catering to one group, the left out group can feel a little thrust upon. You only have to deal with homosexual 'thrusting' for the occasional parade and you can't handle just that. Imagine if you where on the other end.

I don't particularly care about homosexual parades, I just think they're rather stupid and pointless. Right now I'm merely asking for something specific that shows heterosexuality being *thrusted* upon gays. Something you decided to avoid doing by saying...

Are you upset that in college the gay kids are cooler than you?

Ohhh way to stay above board and stay away from the realm of flame-bait and personal attacks. I applaud you for your cool head and ability to control yourself :rolleyes: In any case the point is obvious though you decide to run away from it instead. Most straight-pride parades/weeks are held locally on university campuses/surrounding community to protest the gay-pride parades and weeks. Seeing as those in favor of straight-pride parades are actually a minority where the protest is being held they certainly fall under the same kind of minority of these homosexuals who are supposedly having heterosexuality thrusted on them by the majority.

Advertisers targeting certain groups, people kissing or holding hands, TV shows featuring heterosexuals and other such things are not thrusting heterosexuality on anyone. I don't run around complaining about two gay guys holding hands or kissing one another or shows like Queer Eye as if they are thrusting homosexuality on me, because they're not. Likewise I wouldn't act as if advertising focused on gays was thrusting homosexuality on me either. So once again I ask for some shred of evidence that heterosexuality is being thrusted on gays.

Meh. It's been done before. I agree with their point that it's ridiculous to take such pride in your sexuality that you would actually hold a parade for it (and if that's not their point, it ought to be), but I think this is one case in which the point would be more effectively made without the mockery.

I also think that we should stop using the word "thrusting" in this context.

This whole parade thing is the most awesome thing I've seen in months. If I were there, I'd go. The idea that this is different than Gay rights parades. The only people who should have a problem with this are liberals who wage holy war against anyone who does not qualify as being in a special-interest group" a.k.a. Normal people.

I don't particularly care about homosexual parades, I just think they're rather stupid and pointless. Right now I'm merely asking for something specific that shows heterosexuality being *thrusted* upon gays. Something you decided to avoid doing by saying...



Ohhh way to stay above board and stay away from the realm of flame-bait and personal attacks. I applaud you for your cool head and ability to control yourself :rolleyes: In any case the point is obvious though you decide to run away from it instead. Most straight-pride parades/weeks are held locally on university campuses/surrounding community to protest the gay-pride parades and weeks. Seeing as those in favor of straight-pride parades are actually a minority where the protest is being held they certainly fall under the same kind of minority of these homosexuals who are supposedly having heterosexuality thrusted on them by the majority.

Advertisers targeting certain groups, people kissing or holding hands, TV shows featuring heterosexuals and other such things are not thrusting heterosexuality on anyone. I don't run around complaining about two gay guys holding hands or kissing one another or shows like Queer Eye as if they are thrusting homosexuality on me, because they're not. Likewise I wouldn't act as if advertising focused on gays was thrusting homosexuality on me either. So once again I ask for some shred of evidence that heterosexuality is being thrusted on gays.
By being the dominant culture and the default perception.

Which we've said.

And pride parades are about not being ashamed, being open about who they are. No one stops heterosexuals from being who they are. When homosexuality is legislated against, shunned, etc., and we reach a point where no one really cares instead of this lip service, then the gay pride parade will become obsolete.

So this fixation, the thrust-if you don't understand the wieght of dominance then you won't understand-and you'll demonstrate that lack of understanding in these ill-concieved little displays.

EDIT: Not to mention things like God Hates Fags, preachers telling the US that we where attacked because of the homosexuals, homosexual 'cures', limiting the rights on thier relationships to 'protect marriage', etc....)

This whole parade thing is the most awesome thing I've seen in months. If I were there, I'd go. The idea that this is different than Gay rights parades. The only people who should have a problem with this are liberals who wage holy war against anyone who does not qualify as being in a special-interest group" a.k.a. Normal people.

Gay people can have their little parades... after they get married. Just like straight people. :D

By being the dominant culture and the default perception.

Which we've said.

And pride parades are about not being ashamed, being open about who they are. No one stops heterosexuals from being who they are. When homosexuality is legislated against, shunned, etc., and we reach a point where no one really cares instead of this lip service, then the gay pride parade will become obsolete.

So this fixation, the thrust-if you don't understand the wieght of dominance then you won't understand-and you'll demonstrate that lack of understanding in these ill-concieved little displays.

EDIT: Not to mention things like God Hates Fags, preachers telling the US that we where attacked because of the homosexuals, homosexual 'cures', limiting the rights on thier relationships to 'protect marriage', etc....)


I'm not sure why he doesn't get that his question has been answered at
least six times in this thread.

By being the dominant culture and the default perception.

Which we've said.

And that is a bogus pile of shit. By that same line of thinking liberalism is being pushed on me by being in California while Conservatism is pushed on people in Texas.

And pride parades are about not being ashamed, being open about who they are. No one stops heterosexuals from being who they are. When homosexuality is legislated against, shunned, etc., and we reach a point where no one really cares instead of this lip service, then the gay pride parade will become obsolete.

You're not going to be able to convince people to really not care by cramming it down their throat, you'll breed things like, oh, straight pride parades...

So this fixation, the thrust-if you don't understand the wieght of dominance then you won't understand-and you'll demonstrate that lack of understanding in these ill-concieved little displays.

One culture being dominant and the other culture being a minority does not equate to the dominant culture being forced on the other. Taking that minority and shipping it off to indoctrination camps to turn them into the dominant culture would be forcing it on them, last I checked we're not doing that.

EDIT: Not to mention things like God Hates Fags, preachers telling the US that we where attacked because of the homosexuals, homosexual 'cures', limiting the rights on thier relationships to 'protect marriage', etc....)

IE, a few religious extremists. Plenty of people out there think gays are doomed to hell, but most of those people leave them be and that’s all you can reasonably ask for anyway.

And that is a bogus pile of shit. By that same line of thinking liberalism is being pushed on me by being in California while Conservatism is pushed on people in Texas.
By a certain definition you can be discriminated against because you can't make a right turn on red. Doesn't change the issue at hand.



You're not going to be able to convince people to really not care by cramming it down their throat, you'll breed things like, oh, straight pride parades...
Because 'pretending it didn't exist' was working out so well for them...



One culture being dominant and the other culture being a minority does not equate to the dominant culture being forced on the other. Taking that minority and shipping it off to indoctrination camps to turn them into the dominant culture would be forcing it on them, last I checked we're not doing that.
But it does dominate, doesn't it?



IE, a few religious extremists. Plenty of people out there think gays are doomed to hell, but most of those people leave them be and that’s all you can reasonably ask for anyway.
And all those who voted on 'values' this last election...

By a certain definition you can be discriminated against because you can't make a right turn on red. Doesn't change the issue at hand.

Which is that your logic is horribly flawed? If you believe your logic is correct you should of said "Yes and Yes." Instead you ran away, cheers.

But it does dominate, doesn't it?

One culture being dominant and the other culture being a minority does not equate to the dominant culture being forced on the other. Taking that minority and shipping it off to indoctrination camps to turn them into the dominant culture would be forcing it on them, last I checked we're not doing that.

Which is that your logic is horribly flawed? If you believe your logic is correct you should of said "Yes and Yes." Instead you ran away, cheers.
Because it doesn't corralate. California is not legislating against conservatives, telling them they can't be scout leaders, etc. Your example is therefore out of context and applies as much as not being able to make a right turn on red. Cheers.



One culture being dominant and the other culture being a minority does not equate to the dominant culture being forced on the other. Taking that minority and shipping it off to indoctrination camps to turn them into the dominant culture would be forcing it on them, last I checked we're not doing that.
Oh, only at that level is it force. Then you must be totally okay with the gay pride parade, as no one is taken to any camp (unwillingly). So what's your problem?

Which is that your logic is horribly flawed? If you believe your logic is correct you should of said "Yes and Yes." Instead you ran away, cheers.



One culture being dominant and the other culture being a minority does not equate to the dominant culture being forced on the other. Taking that minority and shipping it off to indoctrination camps to turn them into the dominant culture would be forcing it on them, last I checked we're not doing that.
Are you doing a bad job of hiding your bigotry or are you just dense?

Because it doesn't corralate. California is not legislating against conservatives, telling them they can't be scout leaders, etc. Your example is therefore out of context and applies as much as not being able to make a right turn on red. Cheers.

The BSA is a private organization, a voluntary organization and even then a faith based organization. Exactly how does a single group trying to exercise its rights force heterosexuality on gays?

California meanwhile is not legislating against gays either, doesn't change that the dominant culture in California is liberal and the minority culture is conservative. Seeing as that’s been the basis of your "answer" I don't see how it doesn't apply.

Oh, only at that level is it force. Then you must be totally okay with the gay pride parade, as no one is taken to any camp (unwillingly). So what's your problem?

Sure there would be other levels, but walking down the street in Vegas and seeing people handing out leaflets for brothels or strip bars isn't forcing it on them either. You're acting as if simply having to suffer the incredible horror of seeing a TV ad that targets straight men is forcing heterosexuality on them.

The BSA is a private organization, a voluntary organization and even then a faith based organization. Exactly how does a single group trying to exercise its rights force heterosexuality on gays?

California meanwhile is not legislating against gays either, doesn't change that the dominant culture in California is liberal and the minority culture is conservative. Seeing as that’s been the basis of your "answer" I don't see how it doesn't apply.



Sure there would be other levels, but walking down the street in Vegas and seeing people handing out leaflets for brothels or strip bars isn't forcing it on them either. You're acting as if simply having to suffer the incredible horror of seeing a TV ad that targets straight men is forcing heterosexuality on them.
I'm worn out, man. Here, look at why what your saying doesn't work. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=392483)

I'm worn out, man. Here, look at why what your saying doesn't work. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=392483)

In other words you've decided your position can no longer be defended since you don't actually have anything specific other than "well uh uh there are more straight people than gays so straights MUST be forcing themselves on gays"

Since you aren't even bothering to take the time to identify which supposed fallacy I'm using I'll have to simple shrug and accept your concession.

In other words you've decided your position can no longer be defended since you don't actually have anything specific other than "well uh uh there are more straight people than gays so straights MUST be forcing themselves on gays"

Since you aren't even bothering to take the time to identify which supposed fallacy I'm using I'll have to simple shrug and accept your concession.
Sure champ. Whatever works for you.

thats differnet than this, you arnt reading between the lines. they are NOT celebrating their heterosexuality, they are celebrating the fact they arnt gay and are doing it SOLELY to mock homosexuals

No, they are not. If homosexuals have rights to pride marches then so do hetrosexuals. That's plain common sense.

what the genisu you qutoed doesnt understand is im not maknig a sweeping generalization that because it is straight pride its homophobic, im saying that this is straight pride for the PURPOSE of mocking homosexuals.

then again he thinks homophobia is fleeing from gay people

The gist of my problem with your argument is, how do you know this? Do you have mystical powers which allow you to see the thoughts and motives of people who live far away? Is straight pride always homophobic? When, according to your definitions, is it not homophobic: only when expressed very quietly to personal friends in the privacy of one's own home?

As far as I can tell these students are making a point about free speech being for everyone rather than just minorities, and that's fine, if perhaps a bit facetious. Nowhere in that article did anyone say, "We're having this celebration to make fun of gay people and their gay pride." Some people may be doing it for that reason, but how can anyone just assume that's the case without knowing any facts for certain?

And it is true that there is a pronounced heterosexual bias in the world, and that most people are assumed to be straight - but that is because most people are. Homosexuals comprise 10% of the population at most, by estimates I've heard, so 9 times out of 10 the default perception that someone is straight will be correct rather than merely some bigoted knee-jerk reaction. In America or the UK, the vast majority of the population are English-speaking, so when going into restaurants, buying newspapers, watching television and films, etc., it is generally taken as more or less a given. One can argue that this is discriminatory towards those who aren't, but as long as numbers support it that's the way it's going to be. Most Americans speak English (yes I know that's changing, let's not go there), so it is expected that any given American will speak English. Most people are straight, so it is expected that any given person will be straight. That isn't inherently bigoted, to my mind, since it isn't necessarily making any kind of a judgement call on those who aren't. Let's face it, no one is ever exactly what society expects them to be, and that's ok, but you're never going to eliminate expectations altogether, particularly when they often turn out to be true.

This probably doesn't make sense but I only got 3 hours of sleep.

Precisely. Pride events -whether based on sexuality, race, religion, etc - are a gathering of people who have been shunned, oppressed, and denied rights by a society. It is a statement about not given in to the intolerance.

A misinterpretation. Pride events do not solely apply to those groups previously opressed. Thats just postive discrimination.

This is funny, check it out:

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/01/012805straightPride.htm


I think that these Reps are right for once, even if they are making themselves look slightly stupid. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your sexuality. I think that the LGBT groups are being overly-sensitive about this. As far as I know these proud straight people will not be waving around hateful placards or anything like that, so what's the problem?show me state school where kids are harassed for being heterosexual, and i will start supporting their "Straight Pride" week. until then, these are just kids pouting because they aren't getting enough attention, and this event is equivalent to having a White Pride parade during the Civil Rights era. shame on them, and on the parents who so obviously failed to rear thinking and mature children.

of course, i fully support their RIGHT to parade their own ignorance, arrogant, and idiocy as publicly as they wish, just as i would support the right of a White Pride group to do the same. :)

show me a public school where kids are harassed for being heterosexual, and i will start supporting their "Straight Pride" week. until then, these are just kids pouting because they aren't getting enough attention, and this event is equivalent to having a White Pride parade during the Civil Rights era. shame on them, and on their parents.

You dont have to be opressed to have pride about something.

You dont have to be opressed to have pride about something.
the phrase "Gay Pride," much like Black Pride, refers not to being proud of having a certain sexual orientation or skin color (which are born traits) but to being proud of one's ability to overcome the discrimination and maltreatment that other people visit upon those with such traits. given that heterosexual Republicans hold two out of three branches of our government, given that there is no situation in which heterosexual Republicans have lesser rights than all other citizens, and given that the rates of harassment of heterosexual Republicans by homosexuals of any sort are miniscule compared to the reciprocal statistics, i don't see what they have to be "proud" of in this context.

the phrase "Gay Pride," much like Black Pride, refers not to being proud of having a certain sexual orientation or skin color (which are born traits) but to being proud of one's ability to overcome the discrimination and maltreatment that other people visit upon those with such traits. given that heterosexual Republicans hold two out of three branches of our government, given that there is no situation in which heterosexual Republicans have lesser rights than all other citizens, and given that the rates of harassment of heterosexual Republicans by homosexuals of any sort are miniscule compared to the reciprocal statistics, i don't see what they have to be "proud" of in this context.

Gay pride marches are declaring their pride in what they are. Surely hetrosexuals have that right? Otherwise its just discriminitory. Pride in something does not mean hatered of all that is not said thing.

Seriously people, this is much like the affirmative action bake sales - this is a particular group's way of stating their political beliefs that things have gone too far. Whether we agree with them or not is not the issue - it is a perfectly valid way to express political views. Shame on those who tried to block it.

Gay pride marches are declaring their pride in what they are. Surely hetrosexuals have that right? Otherwise its just discriminitory. Pride in something does not mean hatered of all that is not said thing.
not inherently no, but if thats the PURPOSE for the pride is for mockery of a different pride, yeah thats what it means

Gay pride marches are declaring their pride in what they are.

did you not read the post you responded to? re-read my post, then re-read this post of yours.

Surely hetrosexuals have that right? Otherwise its just discriminitory.

jeebus, you really don't read, do you? I SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT I SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF THESE MORONS TO HAVE THEIR PARADE. they absolutely have the right to parade whatever the hell they want, so long as they abide by the rules that all such groups are expected to follow.


Pride in something does not mean hatered of all that is not said thing.
right. so?

Seriously people, this is much like the affirmative action bake sales - this is a particular group's way of stating their political beliefs that things have gone too far. Whether we agree with them or not is not the issue - it is a perfectly valid way to express political views. Shame on those who tried to block it.
i'd say it's shame all around. the very fact that this group decided to hold a "Straigh Pride" event is indicative of their own cluelessness and desire to get personal attention by wasting everybody's time, but the idea that they don't have the RIGHT to have their event is simply un-American.

hell, why would anybody even want to block this event? they're making a great point: nobody has the right to stop Pride parades, so shut up Christian Right :).

not inherently no, but if thats the PURPOSE for the pride is for mockery of a different pride, yeah thats what it means

Perhaps the purpose is a demonstration that having pride in a given sexuality is a little silly? The fact that you understand the actual purpose behind a Gay Pride Parade doesn't mean that everyone does.

This is funny, check it out:

http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/01/012805straightPride.htm


I think that these Reps are right for once, even if they are making themselves look slightly stupid. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your sexuality. I think that the LGBT groups are being overly-sensitive about this. As far as I know these proud straight people will not be waving around hateful placards or anything like that, so what's the problem?

I think the reason "straight pride" is silly is because straights haven't been discriminated against as gays have. The main thing about gay pride was to show that they exist and that it's nothing to be ashamed of. Everyone knows that being straight is perfectly acceptable. The straight pride idea is a reaction, and I doubt it would ever have come about without gay pride parades.

Perhaps the purpose is a demonstration that having pride in a given sexuality is a little silly? The fact that you understand the actual purpose behind a Gay Pride Parade doesn't mean that everyone does.
there is a difference between mock and parody